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From YouTube: August 25, 2021 City Administration Committee Meeting
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B
Okay,
we
will
call
our
city
administration
committee
meeting
to
order
a
gender
review.
I
don't
have
anything
to
modify
the
agenda.
I
do
just
want
to.
Let
everybody
know,
though,
that
we
did
receive
3.4,
and
so
you
have
to
make
sure
you're
looking
at
the
most
recent
version
of
the
agenda
that
was
posted,
but
other
than
that
I
don't
have
any
changes.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
B
Thank
you
denise
as
usual,
and
then
I
don't
see
anyone
from
the
public,
so
we
will
just
get
right
into
our
voting
items
this
evening.
We
have
an
item
on
consent.
Does
someone
want
to
move
that
graham
seconded
by
rob
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
all
right?
So
we'll
start
our
first
one?
Does
someone
want
to
move
3.1
and
application
for
the
black
diamond
trail?
C
The
farmers
market,
waterfront
development
sites
and
stewart
park,
and
whereas
this
trail
segment
is
a
portion
of
the
black
diamond
trail
as
planned
and
approved
by
new
york,
state
department
of
parks,
recreation
and
historic
preservation
on
september
23rd,
2009
and
whereas
common
council
is
interested
in
applying
for
the
tap
grant
in
order
to
design
and
construct.
The
remaining
segment
of
the
black
diamond
trail
in
the
city
and
making
connection
to
the
town
of
ithaca's
gateway.
C
The
city
council
hereby
authorizes
the
establishment
of
capital
project
number
888
to
pay
for
the.
In
the
first
instance,
100
of
the
federal
and
non-federal
share
of
the
cost
of
all
phases
of
the
work
for
the
project
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
contingent
upon
award
of
the
tap
funds.
The
sum
not
to
exceed
550
550
000
is
hereby
appropriated
for
cereal
bonds
and
made
available
to
cover
the
cost
of
participation
in
the
above
project
in
the
first
instance,
and
be
further
resolved.
C
That
total
project
cost
shall
not
exceed
2.75
million
dollars,
with
the
understanding
that
the
breakdown
of
funds
to
be
approximately
2.2
million
dollars
in
federal
transportation,
enhancement,
program
funds
and
550
000
in
city
viticus.
Serial
bond
financing
to
be
administered
by
the
superintendent
of
public
works
and
be
it
further
resolved
that,
in
the
event
of
the
full
federal
non-federal
share
costs
of
the
project
exceed
the
amount
appropriated
above
the
city
with
the
common
council
shall
convene
as
soon
as
possible
to
appropriate
said.
C
Excesses
amount
immediately
upon
notification
of
the
department
of
transportation
thereof
and
be
further
resolved
that
the
city,
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
ithaca,
a
b
and
is
hereby
authorized
to
execute
all
necessary
agreements
and
that
the
superintendent
of
public
works
is
hereby
authorized
to
execute
all
certifications
or
reimbursement
requests
for
federal
aid
and
or
multi-mould
program.
Funding.
On
behalf
of
the
city
of
ithaca,
with
the
department
of
transportation
in
connection
with
the
advancement
or
approval
of
the
project
and
providing
for
the
administration,
the
project
and
the
municipality's
first
instance.
C
Funding
of
project
costs
and
permanent
funding
for
the
local
share
of
federal
aid
and
all
project
costs
that
are
not
so
eligible
and
be
further
resolved
that
a
certified
copy
of
this
resolution
be
filed.
The
new
york
state
department,
new
york
state
commissioner
of
transportation,
by
attaching
it
to
any
necessary
agreement
in
connection
with
the
project
and
be
further
resolved
that
this
resolution
shall
take
effect
immediately
and
iso
move.
B
B
A
Wonderful
thanks
for
having
me
tonight
sorry,
it's
me.
Instead
of
tim,
he
has
taken
his
daughter
to
college,
which
is
very
exciting,
but
I'm
actually
really
excited
about
this
project.
So
I'm
happy
to
speak
with
you
all.
A
I
can
let
you
know
ahead
of
time
right
now
that
if
you
have
any
questions
that
I
can't
answer,
tim
can
answer
them
friday
in
an
email.
So
that
council
has
the
answers
before
the
meeting
next
week,
but
I
can
try
to
answer
anything
you
have.
I
did
want
to
give
you
one
update,
which
is
that
tim
spoke
with
new
york
state
parks.
A
A
So
instead
of
us
in
the
long
run
being
responsible
for
20
of
the
project
cost,
the
city
will
be
responsible
for
10
of
the
project
cost
and
then
state
parks
will
cover
the
other
10.
So
they're
very
happy
that
we
are
taking
the
lead
on
this
and
contributing
something
but
they're
happy
to
partner
with
us
on
it.
A
B
Yeah,
I
guess
we'll
just
take
any
questions
and
I
know
steve
and
tim
and
I
had
a
just
quick
over
email.
We
don't
need
to
adjust
the
resolution
to
say
anything.
We
just
you
know
at
some
point.
If
we
get
like
a
reimbursement
from
the
new
york
state
parks,
we
would
just
move
that
into
the
appropriate
account
right.
E
Yeah
so
yeah
we
don't
we.
There
is
no
need
really
to
adjust
the
resolution
as
it's
here
tonight
or
goes
to
council
next
week,
because
basically
it
does
everything
we
need
it
to
do,
it's
a
not
to
exceed
number
and
we
would
only
borrow
for
what
we
need
anyway,
as
far
as
the
full
project
costs
for
the
city,
and
we
try
to
do
that
on
a
cash
basis.
So
as
long
as
we're
getting
reimbursements
from
both
the
federal
and
state
government
in
a
timely
manner,
then
we
don't
have
to
borrow
the
full
amount.
F
A
I
I'm
pretty
sure
that's
the
width
of
the
majority
of
the
trail,
but
since
it
is
a
bi-directional
trail,
anything
narrower
than
that
would
be
potentially
unsafe,
especially
because
it's
a
mixed-use
trail.
So
it
is
people
walking
and
biking
in
both
directions.
F
A
So
there
is
an
upgrade
crossing.
I
think
right
below
that
circle,
with
the
eye
and
the
s
right.
F
A
Right
above
the
green
tea,
exactly
right
next
to
the
green
tea,
there
is
an
approved
at
grade
crossing
at
that
location.
I
guess
you
can
walk
across
it
right
now.
I
haven't
personally
been
to
that
spot.
I
think
I'm
going
to
go
on
monday,
but
for
some
reason,
there's
a
already
approved
upgrade
crossing
at
that
location,
which
is
great
because
then
we
don't
have
to
file
for
those
approvals.
C
So
thanks
this
is
actually
probably
for
steve.
I
mean
I'm
just
wondering
you
said
so.
We
wouldn't
issue
the
bonds,
but
right
now,
the
way
it
reads
is
we're
going
to
be
issuing
550
000
worth
of
bonds.
So
I
mean.
E
Certainly,
if
you
want
to
adjust
the
resolution,
you
can
do
that.
I'm
just
saying
you
don't
have
to
because
we're
we're
at
the
maximum
amount
there.
So
that's
what
I
I
consider
fine
by
me
as
far
as
authorization
to
to
issue
bonds
and
again
it's
totally
up
to
the
committee.
If
you
want
to
show
that
that's
fine
as
well
and
we
can
make
that
adjustment,
but
it's
not
necessary
in
my
mind.
So.
E
F
B
E
G
B
C
A
Not
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you.
I
think.
Yes,
I
don't
think
that
there
is
a
formal
agreement
yet
with
the
parks,
so
the,
whereas
would
be
something
along
the
lines
of
you
know.
Parks
has
stated
an
intention
to
to
contribute.
You
know
the
the
10
percent
local
match,
steve.
D
H
B
This
is
great:
we're
excited
to
partner
on
it
that
kind
of
a
thing,
and
you
know
we
can
do
something
more
formal
if
we
need
to
down
the
road
rob.
I
Yeah
my
question
was
related
to
that
and
I'll
first
say
thanks
to
to
everyone
for
putting
this
together.
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
project,
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that
it's
it's
going
to
move
forward
as
an
application
and
that
I
there's
my
question
is:
do
we
know?
Maybe
I
missed
it,
but
do
we
know
when
we
might
hear.
E
B
A
Honestly,
don't
know
either
when
we
would
hear
back.
Tim
would
be
able
to
answer
that.
For
you,
though,
okay.
E
B
Yeah
the
college
just
found
out.
We
got
a
grant
today
that
we
applied
for
before
covid,
so
that's
cool,
but
it
means
things
are
starting
to
move
again
about
some
things
that
people
have
applied
for
so
that's
exciting.
So,
okay,
are
we
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
four
to
zero?
Thank
you.
B
F
F
This
vacancy
as
a
40-hour
position
and
whereas
the
city
attorney's
office
is
additionally
filling
a
new
20-hour
aca
position
in
the
office.
In
addition
to
the
other,
long-standing
20-hour
aca
position,
as
previously
funded
and
authorized
in
the
2021
budget,
and
the
city
attorney
will
seek
to
create
overlap
between
this
new
hire
and
the
departing
assistant
city
attorney.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
personnel
roster
of
the
attorney's
office
shall
be
amended
as
follows.
F
Fund
one
assistant
city
attorney
for
forty
hours,
effective
september,
thirtieth,
30th,
2021
defund,
one
assistant
city
attorney
at
32
hours,
effective
the
same
day
september,
30th
2021,
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
such
additional
funds,
as
required
for
this
change
in
2021,
shall
be
derived
from
within
the
approved
attorney's
office
budget.
I
so
move.
B
Thank
you.
Sorry.
My
thing
was
off
graham
seconded.
Thank
you
ari's
here,
but
this
seems
pretty
straightforward.
Any
questions
from
anyone
on
this
rob.
I
K
G
J
I
J
I
B
I
All
right,
3.3,
adjustment
of
the
managerial
compensation
plan,
new
wellness
program
and
updated
sick
leave
buyout,
whereas
on
january
1,
2015,
the
city
of
ithaca,
implemented
a
new
management
compensation.
Plan
which
sought
to
address
internal
equity,
concerns
the
city's
ability
to
attract
and
retain
quality
talent
and
compression
issues
that
resulted
from
a
lack
of
salary
increases
in
multiple
prior
years
and,
whereas
in
it,
is
necessary
to
periodically
update
the
management
compensation
plan
to
ensure
that
the
compensation
plan
remains
competitive
and
equitable.
I
And
whereas
the
common
council
authorized
funding
in
the
2020
city
budget
to
update
the
management
compensation
plan,
as
recommended
by
the
human
resources
department,
effective
december
31
2020,
and
approve
the
adoption
of
a
new
management
compensation
plan.
And
whereas
common
council
subsequently
revoked
the
adoption
of
the
december
31.
2020
management
compensation
plan
due
to
the
financial
uncertainties
created
by
the
covet
19
pandemic.
I
And
whereas
the
federal
stimulus
payments
have
improved
financial
stability
in
the
face
of
those
financial
uncertainties
and
whereas,
in
the
face
of
the
pandemic
in
2020,
the
city
changed
health
insurance
options
for
management
and
confidentials
to
establish
the
platinum
plan.
As
the
standard
health
insurance
option
for
those
employees
and
whereas
in
the
summer
of
2021,
the
csea
administrative
unit
likewise
agreed
to
a
labor
contract
establishing
the
platinum
plan
as
the
standard
health
insurance
option
for
its
membership.
I
In
support
thereof,
the
city
agreed
to
provide
all
employees
in
that
bargaining
unit
and
confidentials
who
are
enrolled
in
the
platinum
plan.
The
opportunity
to
receive
substantial
financial
incentives
for
successful
participation
in
the
platinum
plans,
wellness
program
and
whereas
the
management,
whereas
management,
should
receive
not
only
the
burden
of
organization-wide
shifts
in
the
city's
labor
contracts,
but
also
the
benefits
such
as
the
same
wellness
program
opportunities
as
under
the
csea
contract,
including
up
to
two
thousand
dollars
per
year
and
wellness
incentives
paid
directly
to
the
employee.
I
And
whereas
because
confidential
shifted
with
management
in
2020
to
a
standard
of
the
platinum
plan,
they
should
they
should
receive
the
benefit
of
the
wellness.
Incentives
effective
to
the
same
july,
1
2021
date
as
management.
I
With
the
other
bargaining
units,
it
is
necessary
that
management,
sick
leave,
buyout
policies
adjust
in
parallel
with
the
csea
admin
contract.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
and
there's
a
bunch
of
these
that
the
current
management
compensation
plan
be
amended
by
deleting
the
entry
level
step.
One
and
adding
a
new
step.
5
that
produces
a
20
spread
effective
july
1
2021,
as
reflected
in
the
spreadsheet
included
here,
with
entitled.
I
Buyout
limitations
in
the
same
manner
as
reflected
in
a
new
csea
admin
contract
and
be
it
further
resolve
that,
in
keeping
with
the
20
july,
1
2021
effective
date
of
other
portions
of
this
resolution
and
in
light
of
the
inability
to
administer
wellness
testing
in
the
short
remainder
of
2021,
all
management
employees
who
were
enrolled
in
the
platinum
plan.
As
of
july
21
2021
shall
receive
applicable.
I
In
light
of
the
unique
circumstance
created
by
the
pandemic
that
resulted
in
confidential
employees
shifting
to
the
platinum
plan
as
their
standard
health
insurance.
Much
earlier
than
did
the
csea
admin
contract
and
further
due
to
the
inability
of
to
administer
wellness
testing
in
the
short
remainder
of
2021.,
all
confidential
employees
who
were
enrolled
in
the
platinum
plan.
As
of
july
1
2021
shall,
in
lieu
of
the
2021
wellness
program,
benefits
provided
by
the
csea
admin
contract
receive
applicable.
Wellness
amounts
in
2021
pro
rated
at
50
value,
without
any
need
to
satisfy
wellness
targets
in
2021.
I
same
examples,
but
in
succeeding
years
at
100
value,
achieving
applicable
targets
and
provided
the
csa
admin
contract,
which
confidential
compensation,
compensation
and
benefits,
is
standardly
tracked
and
iso
move.
K
K
So
I
mean
this
is
a
four-prong
resolution.
There
are
four
areas
that
it
addresses
the
compensation
plan.
K
The
managerial
compensation
plan
is
the
same
plan
that
you
approved
prior
to
code
that
it
was
supposed
to
go
into
effect
on
december
31st,
which
you
all
all
that's
that's
all
in
there
then
establishing
the
wellness
incentive
program
for
management
which-
and
if
you
have
questions
about
that,
but
that's
just
it's
a
system
where
employees
can
voluntarily
participate
in
basically
an
evaluation
of
certain
criteria,
and
if
they
meet
those
criteria,
they
would
be
eligible
for
the
incentive
and
even
if
they
don't
meet
them.
K
But
they're,
following
through
with
a
certain
procedure
pro
or
just
education,
or
you
know,
trying
to
work
on
meeting
with
a
coach
and
trying
to
work
on
improving
their
their
statistics.
They
can
still
be
eligible
for
the
program
and
that's
the
case
with
everyone
with
csea
in
the
admin
unit.
Folks
and
then
the
application
of
adopting
the
csca
sickly
buy-out
applying
that
to
management,
which
is
the
piece
about
the
75-day
cap
and,
of
course,
anyone
who
was
above
that
cap
on
july
1st.
K
That
would
be
their
cap.
So
not
to
take
anything
away
from
anyone,
who's
already
earned,
earn
the
sick
leave
and
then
last
was
making
a
modification,
because
the
confidentials
are
indexed
to
the
csea
admin
unit,
so
in
their
contract,
their
their
program
goes
into
effect
in
the
fall.
K
But
we
thought
in
in
terms
of
being
fair,
because
the
confidentials
have
been
on
the
plat
platinum
plan
long
before
this,
that
they
did
the
same
as
management
in
terms
of
time
frame
that
we
would
that
the
benefits
should
be
offered
to
them.
The
same
benefit
should
be
offered
to
them
in
terms
of
the
wellness
incentive
for
2021..
K
K
They
get
it,
but
it's
prorated
based
upon
september,
one
we're
just
all
this
is
saying-
is
that
for
confidentials
we're
programmers
based
upon
july,
one.
C
K
Yeah
it'll
be
brief,
because
I
don't
I
mean
I
don't
know
the
exact
who
other
than
that
it's
their
health,
their
their
standard
health
indicators.
So
like
blood
pressure,
what's
the
normal
blood
pressure
120
over
80,
I
think
so.
Anyone
you
know
who's
above
that
they
would
not
meet
the
target,
but
they
could
still
work
toward
improving
their
health,
so
those
standards
are
set
by.
I
I
don't
know
who.
J
Right
because
because
it's
part
of
a
program,
that's
administered
by
excellus,
I
think
through
an
excellus
vendor.
But
but
it's
not
the
city's
program.
K
B
B
I
C
Is
3.4
authorization
to
amend,
dependent
care,
flexible
spending
account
plans?
K
Okay,
do
there
are
a
couple
of
edits,
do
is.
B
Oh,
that's
right,
you
had
said
yeah,
let's,
let's
walk
through
those
and
then
I
think
they're
small
enough.
We
can
consider
them
friendly.
Okay,
so.
K
There's
there's
one
other
one.
I
apologize
that's
okay,
so
on
the
first
line,
there's
an
extra
s
on
the
plants.
It
should
be
plan,
not
plans.
So
that's
minor.
K
K
K
Okay
and
that
just
clarifies
because
it
could
be
one
person
but
they're,
the
single
head
of
household
they're,
still
eligible
for
the
10-5.
C
E
E
Yeah
I
did
notice
one
other.
The
5200
for
filing
separately
is
actually
52.50,
so.
B
That
these
federal
funds
have
been
complicated
for
everyone
to
navigate
so.
F
K
So
currently,
george,
the
maximum
that
you
can
withdraw
from
your
your
your
paycheck
in
order
to
go
into
a
flexible
spending
account
where
dependent
care
is
five
thousand
dollars
right.
It's
five
thousand.
K
K
Well,
we
we
amended
the
plan
back
in
I
think,
january
or
february,
where
we
allowed
them
to
make
up
to
two
changes.
Normally,
that's
not
the
case.
You
can
only
make
a
change
if
there's
a
qualifying
event
so
when,
when
they
passed
the
which
act
is
this
the
consolidated
appropriations
act
they
provided
for
individual,
because
the
people's
situation
was.
It
was
so
crazy
with
told
it
they
had
elected
to
take
out
all
this
money
for
child
care.
But
then
everybody
was
home,
so
they
didn't
so.
F
K
Gave
people
an
opportunity
to
to
make
those
adjustments
and
and
up
to
two
of
them,
so
we
passed,
you
all
passed
a
resolution
that
allowed
people
to
allow
staff
to
make
those
changes
up
to
twice
a
year,
because
things
were
continuing
to
change
their
their
child
care
situations.
They
didn't
know
if
they
were
going
back
to
school
or
if
daycare
was
going
to
be.
F
K
B
And
so,
nor
just
to
clarify
shelly
normally,
there's
like
there
is
a
window
of
time
where
every
person
has
an
opportunity
to
change
benefits
right.
So
what
you're
saying
with
these
changes?
Is
you
just
allowed
people
to
make
changes
to
benefits
because
the
pandemic
was
causing
so
much
chaos
for
people
that
they
can
make
adjustments
to
their
benefits
outside
of
that
normal
window
of
time?.
K
K
B
C
Just
briefly
so
remind
me:
what
was
the
previous
amount
for
the
first
figure?
C
B
Donna
can
you
turn
the
microphone
on
yeah,
of
course,.
D
Yeah,
I
I
haven't
thought
about
daycare
in
a
long
time.
So
are
people
allowed
to
carry
forward
more
than
they
used
to
because
of
these
weird
things
that
happened
in
2020.
K
K
The
issue
with
dependent
care
is
that
this
is
only
for
2021.,
so
if
they
were
to
carry
bizarre
ten
thousand
dollars
over,
there
would
be
tax
implications
to
that,
because
in
2022
as
of
now,
you
are
only
eligible
for
five
thousand,
so
so
those
who
do
it
well,
they
should
consult
their
accountant,
but
they
should
they
should
set
it
up
so
that
they
expend
the
amount
this
year
and
don't
run
into
any
issues
next
year
or
ensure
that
next
year,
they're
not
above
the
5
000.
B
B
I
think
we
do
have
just
a
discussion
and
update
on
our
ongoing
work
of
the
task
force.
That's
been
working
on
city
manager
legislation,
so
I
think
we
wanted
to
do
a
few
things
this
evening.
B
We
wanted
to
quickly
have
ari,
I
think,
walk
everybody
through
one
more
time,
this
draft
of
this
legislation
we
wanted
to
see
if
people
have
questions
feedback
or
if
there
is
still
information
that
is
missing,
that
people
might
need,
and
then
we
have
kind
of
a
few
questions
we've
compiled
that
we
want
to
ask
the
group
as
well
so
ari.
Why
don't
we
start
with
you
if
you
just
want
to
sort
of
walk
us
through
what
we
have
here
in
the
packet,
the
draft
legislation
and
maybe
just
hit
the
highlights
of
some
of
the
changes.
J
Sure
yeah
yeah
I'll
keep
it
brief,
but
you
have
in
the
agenda
packet
on
both
a
local
law
and
an
ordinance,
and
they
cover
a
whole
wide
variety
of
provisions
of
the
city,
charter
and
city
code.
All
of
the
charter
changes
are
addressed
in
the
local
law.
J
This
would
still
maintain
the
mayor's
position
as
a
member
as
the
presiding
member
of
the
common
council,
but
would
make
the
management
of
the
executive
branch
of
government
the
responsibility
of
the
city
manager
and
and,
as
a
result,
there
are
a
lot
of
instances
of
the
mayor's
responsibilities
identified
throughout
the
charter
and
code
that
are
being
switched
if
this
passes
to
to
the
manager
role.
So
I
make
a
few
procedural
comments
about
how
this
will
move
forward
deb,
or
did
you
want
to
do.
J
Yeah,
okay,
so,
procedurally
speaking,
this
is,
as
you
know,
for
discussion
only
tonight
this.
If
committee
wants
to
move
in
this
direction,
it
could
be
a
voting
item
at
next
month's
ca
meeting
and
could
and
will
still
be
eligible
under
local
requirements
for
amendment
at
next
month's
ca
meeting,
after
which,
if
committee
wanted
to
vote
it
on
to
council,
it
could
be
sent
on
to
the
october
council
agenda
and
and
then
as
a
reminder.
Of
course,
this
would
be
subject
to
referendum
at
the
november
2022.
J
General
election
and
as
drafted,
would
take
effect
on
january
1st
of
2024
two
and
a
half
to
nearly
two
and
a
half
years
from
now,
so
that
is
which
of
course
aligns
with
the
end
of
the
mayor's
current
term
as
well.
So
there
are
probably
some
basic
highlights.
Did
you
want
me
to
touch
on
anything
else,
particularly.
B
E
B
Okay,
okay,
yeah.
I
think
the
other
reason
for
the
2024
was
to
give
like.
I
think
what
you've
heard
in
our
presentation
is
that
we
know
that
this
is
substantive
change
for
the
city,
so
that,
if
it
passed
referendum
then
clearly
they
would
need
time
in
order
to
figure
out
what
the
transition
would
look
like.
B
If
there
was
then
an
inclination
to
change
the
staffing
structure
of
the
mayor's
office
and
the
city
manager
office,
then
there
would
be
ample
opportunity
to
work
that
through
the
budget
process
and
figure
out
what
staffing
was
needed
in
order
to
support
the
change.
So
we're
thinking
about
this
in
terms
of
you
know,
a
phased
transition,
so
it
wasn't
like
an
abrupt
change
and
and
how
things
are
done
and
then
it
would
be
cleaner
if
it
if
it
were
to
end
with
the
current
mayor's
term.
You
know
ending
term.
B
So
I
think
we
just
wanted
to
first
ask
if
anyone
had
any
questions
or
needed
any
additional
clarification,
and
then
we
had
a
few
things
we
wanted
to
talk
about,
and
then
I
think
we
can
kind
of
move
on
to
next
steps
after
that.
So
first
questions
comments,
feedback
things
on
your
brain
about
this
george.
F
I
haven't
found
it
yet,
but
I
read
it
earlier
and
somewhere
in
here
it
says
the
the
mayor
will
appoint
all
members
of
boards
and
committees
and
I
would
like
to
see
language
that
has
counsel
participating
in
those
choices.
B
B
B
We
need
that
in.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
that
in
this
in
the
legislation.
I
think
we
can
take
a
look
at
that,
either
in
council
rules
or
procedure
or
any
any
number
of
other
ways,
but
I
don't
think
that
needs
to
be.
I
think
what
we
one
of
the
things
we
tried
to
do
when
we
looked
at
this
and
donna
did
most
of
this
work.
Donna
and
ari
honestly
tried
to
start
pulling
out
things
that
really
didn't
belong
in
legislative
language,
right
that
things
that
were
more
operationalized.
B
F
C
So
this
is
an
observation,
so
ari
said,
most
of
the
executive
kind
of
responsibilities
are
swiss
and
I
see
you
know
a
lot
of
this
is
crossed
out
mayor
city
manager
crossed
out
mayor
city
manager.
So
I
don't
know
I
mean
at
some
point
in
this
process
it.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
to
summarize
this,
not
in
legislation,
but
in
I
don't
know,
columns
the
mayor
used
to
do
this.
C
B
We've
got
rob
and
I
are
tasked
with
writing
a
supporting
memo
that
will
go
with
this
for
the
when
it's
a
voting
item
next
month.
So
that's
really
helpful
feedback
for
tonight
is
what
kinds
of
things
do
you
need
in
the
summary
memo?
So
that's
a
good
one,
so
just
sort
of
an
easier
way
that
summarizes
what
has
changed.
D
B
Anything
else
I
don't
know
if
donna
or
shelly
or
ari,
we
did
also
have
a
good
conversation
with
senior
staff
about
this
seemed
just
widely
supportive
of
moving
in
this
direction.
A
couple
of
suggestions
on
how
we,
you
know,
run
the
public
information
campaign
and
assisting
us
with
some
of
the
language,
and
we
had
a
good
conversation
about
the
importance
of
non-partisanship
on
the
part
of
city
manager.
It
was
a
good
conversation,
but
mostly
supportive,
and
thank
you
mayor
for
letting
us
take
over
that
meeting.
B
D
Donna,
I
want
to
add
that
I've
talked
to
the
mayors
of
six
other
cities
in
new
york
state
that
have
this
form
of
government
and
they
rave
about
it.
They
said
that
they
can't
imagine
working
in
another
form,
so
that
was
really
it
was
really
enlightening
and
dan-
and
I
talked
with
former
mayor
alan
cohen-
and
I
also
talked
with
former
mayor
carolyn
peterson-
to
get
a
little
bit
of
sense
of
their
experiences
and
they
also
said
sounds
like
a
great
idea.
D
B
H
B
No,
I
think
you
can
let
us
know
now
we're
trying
to
collect.
Basically,
the
point
of
this
just
having
this
on
for
discussion
is
what
do
council
members
need
additional
clarification
on
before
we
might
be
ready
to
bring
it
to
a
vote
next
month.
So
it
sounds
like
now
is
exactly
the
time
to
ask
that
question.
H
H
Is
on
page
three
section,
two
item:
a
c3.
J
Right,
that's
a
great
question
cynthia.
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
meeting.
So
let
me
look
that
up
and
try
to
give
you
an
answer.
B
J
And
sorry,
you
know
one
partial
answer
which
I
apologize
is
only
partial
that
I
should
give
now
is
that
you
may
recall
that
city
court
judge
used
to
be
an
appointed
office
in
the
city
and
has
transitioned
to
being
entirely
elected,
with
the
exception
of
vacancies
right,
where
a
judge
resigns
prior
to
the
expiration
of
their
term
so,
and
that
varies
from
city
to
city
across
the
state.
So
I
think
that
speaks
to
quite
a
bit
of
your
question.
But
but
your
question
still,
I
think,
appropriately
asks
what
happens
to
those
vacancies.
J
J
Few
hundred
different
issues,
as
you
know,
in
this,
in
this
legislation
so
but
yeah.
What
just
came
into
focus
for
me
is
state
law
actually
provides
the
vacancy
the
process
for
each
city
to
fill
vacancies
on
city
court
and
it
provides
a
different
process
for
different
sets
of
cities
across
the
state.
Just
to
drive
us
all
crazy.
J
J
H
K
H
H
H
I
mean
oftentimes
that
state
of
the
city
address
reflects
the
priority
of
the
mayor,
who,
in
the
previous
role,
might
have
the
authority
to
unilaterally
put
forward
a
direction,
but
I'm
not
getting
the
sense,
or
at
least
it
seems
to
me,
under
this
new
system.
It
really
is
council
itself
that
sets
that
direction,
and
so
then,
who
is
the
appropriate
person
to
give
the
state
of
the
city,
because
any
new
vision
that
would
come
forward,
presumably,
would
be
the
vision
of
council
directly.
H
So
that
might
be
something
we
might
want
to
think
about
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
again
what
is
a
political
leader?
What
is
that
role?
How
does
it
differentiate
between
council
as
a
body
the
mayor
as
an
individual
and
looking
at
the
city
from
a
management
perspective,
so
that
that's
an
interesting
idea
that
I
had
and
then
just
the
the
last
thing
just
administratively
thinking
about
in
some
places?
I
there's
one
that
jumps
out
at
me
now,
but
there
might
be
another
if,
if
there's
I
feel
like
it
would
be.
H
Okay,
I'll
just
mention
the
one
I'm
looking
at.
This
is
on
page
seven
and
it
talks
about
the
duty
of
council
members
if
you
identify
something
that
is
inappropriate
or
illegal.
That's
occurring.
According
to
this.
That
council
members
should
report
to
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor,
and
maybe
I'm
thinking
that
might
be
an
ore,
because
I
think
one
would
tend
to
think
that
by
reporting
directly
to
a
senior
officer
of
the
city
that
it
serves
as
notice
that
you're
aware
of
something
going
on
and
it
should
satisfy
that.
K
J
Thank
you
yeah,
that's
interesting!
The
on
that
last
one.
The
one
thought
that
comes
to
my
mind
is
if
I
had
to
pick
only
one
out
of
the
two
of
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
who
would
be
notified
of
illegal
activity.
J
So
by
saying-
or
I
worry
it
might
not
make
it
to
the
city
manager,
which
makes
me
think
that
we
should
either
stick
with
and
or
say,
nope.
It
just
goes
to
the
city
manager
and
that's
it.
What
I
liked
about
going
to
the
mayor
as
well
was
that
that
helps
directly
loop
in
the
common
council,
but
but
happy
to
explore.
B
Okay,
thanks
all
right,
so
we
had
a
couple
questions.
Just
from
you
know
things
we
were
still
sort
of
ruminating
on
on
the
group
right
now.
The
way
I
think
we
have
it
written
is
changing
all
the
department
heads
through
to
be
appointed
by
city
manager,
but
then
I
think
there
were
some
questions
just
from
just
from
conversation
we
had
is.
Do
we
think
that
some
you
would
want
to
keep
at
will
that
the
mayor
would
appoint
or
were
we
comfortable
with
the
city
manager,
but,
like
I
think
the
big
example
was
the
city.
B
Yeah
so
right
now
the
at
will
our
city
attorney
the
executive
assistant
in
the
mayor's
office
and
right
now,
chief
of
staff,
but
I
guess
we're
assuming
chief
of
staff
position
would
move
away
and
this
would
be
it.
So
that
was
just
a
question
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
anyone
had
any
thoughts
on
that.
But
that
was
one
comment
that
came
through
george.
F
Thanks
for
mentioning
that,
because
I
I
just
want
to
understand
clearly
that
if
we
have
a
city
manager,
the
chief
of
staff
position
probably
won't
be
around
anymore.
B
I
can't
even
read
my
own
handwriting
here:
how
much
to
oh
right
now
in
the
charter.
There's
a
lot
of
language
about
council
approving
the
appointment
of
department
heads
and
did
we
need
that
to
be
changed?
Is
that
what
your
question
was
or
did
we
want
to
keep
that
process
where,
if
just
the
city,
manager,
hires
and
fires,
then
do
we
need
council
to
approve.
D
J
No,
no,
that's
fine!
So
actually,
there's
two
elements
there,
the
one
that
I
knew
you
were
asking
about
where
the
city
attorney
is
concerned
was
at
whose
pleasure
so
to
speak,
to
the
city
attorney
sir
and
then
the
related
element
that
I've
only
maybe
just
picked
up
on
now
as
you're
asking
whether
they
should
be
a
affirmed,
they're
confirmed
by
common
counsel
or
not
so
to
the
first
piece.
J
As
you
know,
currently,
the
city
attorney
is
appointed
is
obviously
a
personal
topic
to
me.
I
guess,
but
I'm.
J
The
city
attorney
is
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
serves
at
the
pleasure
of
the
mayor,
and
I
think
one
question
that
I
understood
you
to
be
asking
donna
is:
should
the
city
attorney
instead
be
treated
under
the
new
charter?
If
we
move
in
this
direction,
like
any
other
department
head
to
which
my
answer
is,
I
mean
obviously
it's
a
policy
choice
that
the
common
council
needs
to
make
around
around
this
legislation
right
now.
J
My
my
at
least
tentative
recommendation
would
be
that
it's,
I
believe,
it's
probably
smarter,
not
to
make
the
city
attorney
like
a
department
head,
because
department
heads
have
a
great
deal
of
job
security
to
people
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
the
healthiest
choice
for
the
city
to
have
a
city
attorney
who
has
such
a
longevity
of
job
security.
J
You
could
imagine
a
city
attorney
being
there
for
a
few
decades
at
a
time,
and
I
believe
that
that
would
be
a
less
optimal
outcome
for
the
city.
Although
I
could
also
imagine
a
city
attorney
doing
a
great
job
for
a
few
decades.
It
just
wouldn't
give
common
castle
the
same
control
that
I
believe
they
should
have
ultimately
over
that
position.
Does
that?
Does
that
speak
to
that
first
question?
Well,.
J
That
they
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
city
manager,
so
other
department
heads
don't
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
mayor
currently
or
of
the
common
council.
They
can
only
be
removed
for
cause,
okay,
which
is
a
huge
distinction
from
the
city
attorney
or
the
chief
of
staff
or
the
assistant
to
the
mayor.
Currently,
who
can
never
out,
say
they're
welcome,
so
to
speak.
B
B
J
J
It
is
what
I
just
said
is
that
they
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
city
manager,
meaning
that
they
could
be
terminated
and
not
for
cause,
and
I
think
the
second
question
that
maybe
I
heard
you
ask
a
moment
ago-
donna
that
I
wasn't
aware
of
until
this
conversation
on
committee
floor
here
now
is
why
whether
that
should
also
be
subject
to
council
approval
and
that
I
guess
I
did
not
speak
to
us
now.
I'm
not
sure
I
have
as
refined
a
view
on
that.
J
I
think
my
suggestion
would
be
that
the
city
attorney's
removal
again,
which
can
be
without
cause
if
it's
at
the
pleasure
of,
should
not
require
council
approval,
that
it
would
be
enough
that
the
city
manager
says
this
isn't
working
whether
the
city's
attorney's
appointment
should
be
subject
to
council
approval.
Actually,
I
don't
have
a
very
strong
view
on
one
way
or
another.
J
C
Okay,
I
haven't
quite
formed
an
opinion
of
that
yet.
B
It's
okay!
These
are
why
we're
kind
of
tossing
these
notions
out
there,
because
if
we
want
to
come
to
a
you
know
final
language
on
this,
we
didn't
want
to
try
to
do
that
all
in
one
meeting,
where
we're
also
trying
to
vote
on
it.
So
it's
completely
fine.
If,
if
you
want
to
think
on
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we
talk
about
tonight,
cynthia,
oh
graham,
were
you
done
well.
C
I
I'm
beginning
to
fall.
I
mean
one
of
my
thinking.
Thoughts.
There
is,
you
know
we
rely
on
talking
about.
Council
relies
on
the
city
attorney
to
a
huge
extent,
not
that
we
don't
rely
on
all
department
heads,
but
when
it
comes
to
executive
sessions
and
stuff
like
that,
so
I
I
I
definitely
see
the
the
rationale
for
treating
this
position
differently
than
a
department
head
and
with
that.
I
also
think
it
would
be
good
for
council,
in
addition
to
the
manager
to
have
some
kind
of
say
in
the
removal.
C
B
J
I
think
there
are
a
couple
possible
versions,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
in
favor
of
them,
but
then
it's
not
up
to
me
in
the
end
one
would
be,
as
deb
just
said.
Just
you
know,
requiring
council
input
on
the
prior
to
dismissing
the
city
attorney
prior
to
the
city
manager.
J
Dismissing
the
city
attorney,
the
other
would
actually
be
to
require
council
action
that,
in
order
to
dismiss
the
city
attorney,
you
know
the
city
managers,
you
know,
have
a
process
where
the
city
manager
is
supposed
to,
for
example,
give
notice
to
the
common
council
that
the
city
manager
is
looking
to
dismiss
the
city
attorney
and
and
then
either
go
through
a
formal
process
of
gathering
input
or
actually
require
a
council
vote.
J
I'm
not
sure
that
I
believe
that
latter
option
of
requiring
a
council
vote
to
dismiss
the
city
attorney
is
is
a
positive
move.
I
think
I
might
be
better
to
leave
that
authority
with
the
city
manager
in
the
end
and
of
course,
the
city
manager
is
accountable
to
the
common
council
anyway,
and
the
common
council
can
in
fact
dismiss
the
city
manager
if
they
want
to,
but.
J
K
J
But,
but
actually
I
I
wasn't
trying,
I
guess
I
added
some
levity
here,
but
that
wasn't
really
my
goal.
I
guess
more
specifically,
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is:
if
a
city
manager
who
has
to
run
the
entire
city
government
feels
that
they're
working
poorly
enough
with
the
city
attorney
that
they
want
to
dismiss
the
city
attorney.
H
H
Yeah,
I
I
support
the
perspective
that
ari
have
brought
forward.
Part
of
the
rationale
of
this
is,
to
you
know,
under
a
city
management
system,
to
have
the
longevity
of
service
in
administer.
Administering
this
complex
organization
and
by
having
the
city
attorney
be
at
will
to
the
city
manager.
J
And
maybe
I'll
just
briefly
add,
however,
I
don't
really
see
any
problem
with
city
manager,
I'm
being
required
to
give
notice
to
council
of
the
I
mean
bring
council
into
the
loop,
explain
what
the
problem
is
and
why
you're
headed
in
this
direction,
even
if
they
have
the
right
to
do
it.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Yeah.
B
F
D
I
was
just
I
always
just
wanted
to
add
that
in
that,
in
my
conversations
with
these
six
mayors
across
the
state,
several
of
them
emphasized
and
other
people
I've
talked
to
inside,
so
that
makes
total
sense.
You
still
need
good
people
and
you
still
need
to
have
a
level
of
trust
and
communication
among
all
your
people,
and
we
want
to
put
good
structures
in
place,
but
there's
going
to
be
crises
and
there's
going
to
be
odd
things
happening
now
and
then
so
we
not.
D
We
might
not
be
able
to
write
the
rule
for
every
situation.
We
want
to
cover
a
lot
of
cases.
So,
regarding
what
we
were
just
talking
about,
I
I'm
not
sure
I
think
it's
fine.
I
think
it's
good
that
the
city
attorney
would
be
at
the
hired
and
fired
at
the
will
of
the
city
manager,
but
I
think
it
would
be
really
bizarre
if
a
city
manager
fired
a
city
attorney
without
telling
us
first
in
executive
session.
D
I
mean
that
would
be
a
red
flag
that
there's
something
wrong
with
the
city
manager,
who
can't
tell
it
who
can't
bring
us
into
the
loop
on
something
like
that.
So
what
my
point
is
that
there's
some
things
that
we
might
not
be
able
to
write
a
rule
for,
but
our
sense
would
be
that
a
good
person
with
good
communication
skills
who,
who
works
in
a
respectful
manner,
wouldn't
have
this
problem.
F
Yeah,
like
like
many
of
my
colleagues,
my
views
aren't
concrete,
but
I,
if
there's
theoretically
a
feud
between
a
city
manager,
a
city
attorney,
and
it
could
very
well
be
that
the
city
attorney
is
highly
respected
by
council
and
and
we
don't
want
to
lose
that
person
that
I'm
thinking
right
now,
there's
there
should
be
a
council,
yay
or
nay
about
firing.
A
city
attorney.
F
I
agree
that
it
should
be
at
will
not
like
other
department
heads,
that's
what
I'm
thinking
right
now.
B
I
guess
at
will
it's
harder
to
be
at
will
to
a
body
instead
of
an
individual
right.
So
if
you're
saying
council
should
have
a
say
then
it's
at
will,
I
mean
I
think
that
the
point
cynthia
brought
up
was
you
want
the
city
manager
and
the
city
attorney
to
be
able
to
be
aligned
and
working
as
a
team,
and
if
the
elected
officials
change
over
or
change
political
party
or
affiliation
or
whatever,
then
the
alignment
should
be
between
the
stability
of
the
people
in
those
positions.
Is
that
kind
of
what
you
were
saying?
B
B
Conversations
we
need
to
decide,
and
it's
perfectly
fine
for
you
to
make
a
suggestion
to
amend
something
or
change
something
or
if
I
think
we
all
need
to
think
about
a
lot
of
elements
of
this
before
we're
ready
to
to
put
together
what
we
think
the
final
version
is.
So
I
think
I
don't
expect
everyone
to
have
the
concrete
like.
I
know
it
should
be
this
way
rob
were
you
done,
george.
I
B
And
then
one
other
thing
we
talked
about
was
wanting
to
somehow.
I
don't
think
this
is
in
here
yet,
but
we
wanted
some
feedback
from
everyone
on
it
and
then
some
suggestions
from
ari
as
to
how
to
incorporate
it.
We
think
one
of
the
you
know
age-old
questions
has
been:
is
the
mayor
a
part-time
job
or
a
full-time
job
like
what
is
it
right?
So
how
do
we
somehow
very
definitively
codify
what
we
expect
of
the
mayor
and
the
role
of
the
mayor?
B
C
C
My
thinking
is,
unless
I
see
some
list
of
this
is
what
the
mayor's
got
to
do
it
probably
more
than
more
than
council,
but
less
than
a
full-time
job
is
what
I'm
at
least
seeing
here
and
so,
but
I
could
be
wrong
based
on
you
know,
if
I'm
missing
things
here,
it's
obviously
an
important
position
and
and
kind
of,
as
I
said,
like
senior
counsel,
but
I
I'm
not
sure
I
see
it
as
a
full-time
position
if
the
city
manager
is
going
to
have
the
responsibilities
and
and
the
tasks
and
authority
that
I'm
seeing
in
this.
C
So
that's
my
immediate
thought
on
that.
B
Okay,
so
you're
leaning
towards
part-time
something,
okay
and
we
have
been
tossing
around
the
term
like
chief
elected
official
like
to
describe,
I
think
what
we've
been
trying
to
think
about
is
the
city
manager
is
the
internal
operations.
You
know
the
person
that
makes
sure
internally
everything
is
running
well
and
that
the
mayor
is
still
sort
of
that
external
face
public
representative,
more
policy
direction
than
than
like
internal
daily
operations.
B
So
I
don't
think
we're
diminishing
the
responsibilities
of
the
mayor
so
that
it's
really
close
to
a
council
member.
I
do
st
once
we
get
that
chart.
I
think
that'll
help
people
to
understand
like
what
are
we
still
saddling
the
mayor
role
with
versus
manager
that
might
help
people
answer
this
question.
D
F
Yeah,
I
agree
with
graham
we're
taking
a
lot
of
weight
off
the
mayor's
back
by
having
a
city
manager,
so
I
think
it's
a
part-time
job.
G
H
B
H
K
H
Level
of
income-
that's
poverty,
level
right
there.
So
so
I
do
think
that
we,
we
should
be
realistic
of
what
the
expectations
are,
and
if
the
expectations
are
truly
a
part-time
position,
then
there
should
be
hours.
You
know
so
that
that
person
can
make
their
way
and
find
another
source.
So
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
needs
to
be
flushed
out,
especially
not
only
in
terms
of
their
expectations
for
the
position,
but
also
expectations
to
the
constituents.
B
H
B
Because
it
will
be
hard
to
quantify
in
hours,
I
think
if
you
know
if
we
say
this
is-
and
we've
struggled
with
this-
for
I
don't
know
how
long
I
know
shelley
has
done
an
analysis
of
the
way
the
current
role
is
written.
What
would
the
compensation
be
for
someone
that
has
a
job
description
that
currently
has
the
mayor?
Maybe
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
get
some
sort
of
a
basic
idea
of
once.
We
have.
This
very
clearly
articulated
the
expectations
of
the
mayor.
B
H
B
B
Nothing.
Okay!
I
just
want
to
thank
the
group.
That's
been
working
on
this.
I
mean
a
lot
of
you
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting.
I
know
donna
you've
done
a
ton
of
work
and
dan
is
still
volunteering
from
the
sidelines
to
help
us
do
some
things
as
well,
and
there's
been
a
lot
going
on.
So
I
think
it's
exciting
to
see
this
kind
of
coming
to
the
close
we've
been
working
on
this
topic
for
quite
a
while.
So,
okay,
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
else.
B
Does
anyone
have
anything
we
need
to
talk
about
for
next
month?
Remember
that
next
month
is
the
committee
of
the
whole,
the
public
hearing
and
the
committee
of
the
whole
for
5g
as
the
first
hour
or
so
so
steve,
and
I
are
going
to
try
to
work
on
keeping
the
actual
ca
agenda
as
small
as
possible
because
we'll
do
the
ca
meeting
after
we
focus
on
the
committee
of
whole,
so
I
think
I
think
that's
it.
Anybody
have
anything
else.
B
B
F
B
J
B
J
B
F
B
No,
I
think
the
hour
was
the
meeting.
There's
a
public
hearing,
then
there's
a
committee
of
the
whole
and
then
we
were
going
to
do
ca
right
after
the
committee
of
the
hole
we
thought
the
committee
of
the
hole
would
take
an
hour.
I
have
no
idea
how
long
the
public
hearing's
gonna
be.
That's,
that's
always
a
question
mark.
It
could
be
five
hours
which
I
hope
it
isn't.
But
you
know
we
can.
We
just
have
to
see
what
how
many
comments,
how
many
commenters
attend.
That's
all.
B
B
G
B
So
five
votes
won't
carry
anything
and
eve
in
the,
and
this
is
just
such
a
strange
one,
because
the
mayor
will
consistently
recuse
himself
from
this.
So
even
if
there
were
10
and.