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C
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
October
12th
meeting
of
common
Council
for
the
purposes
of
our
budget
hearings,
go
ahead
and
call
to
order,
and
also
my
colleagues
and
we're
going
to
show
just
a
review
of
the
budget
process.
C
D
D
Modifications-
and
you
all
also
will
list
Faith.
Thank
you
for
circulating
that
recall
that
the
list
is
going
to
be
rank,
ordered
as
we
go
on.
You
do
need
to
specify
an
amount
of
purpose.
C
E
A
C
All
right
and
with
that,
we
will
go
ahead
and
turn
the
public
here
and
try
and
get
a
motion
to
open
at
this
by
Rob
seconded
by
duxton,
all
those
in
favor
generously.
Thank
you
very
much
and
then
first
I
have
recognizing
Stacey
Venus.
B
Thank
you
guys
all
hear
me
good
evening
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
at
this
hearing.
As
a
former
senior
staffer
for
a
legislator,
I
know
the
challenges
that
the
decisions
are
coming
during
the
budget
season
and
I
applaud
you
and
your
partners
for
putting
up
with
this
time.
It
is
very
challenging
as
I
remember.
My
name
is
Daisy
Bemis,
my
pronouns.
B
Are
she
and
her
I'm
part
of
a
group
called
epican
for
reimagine
and
Public
Safety
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
share
a
letter
from
our
membership
signed
by
56
Advocates
to
council
and
send
to
the
budget
committee
and
the
mayor's
office
today,
their
common
Council
following
the
years
-long
efforts
of
our
community
and
common
council
members
in
bringing
the
reimagining
public
safety
plan
for
fruition.
We
are
deeply
troubled
by
the
lack
of
programming
funding
for
unarmed
Public
Safety
officers
or
a
public
safety
data
analyst
position
in
the
mayor's
proposal
for
the
2023.
B
While
the
reimagining
plan
major
reforms,
it's
consistent
upon
the
inclusion
of
it
more
force
of
unarmed
responders,
with
several
years
of
open
panels
of
public
forums
and
regularly
attended
meetings.
Fortune
groups,
combined
with
the
fact
that
common
counselor
was
able
to
secure
a
Federal
grant
to
fund
needs
improvision.
It
is
unclear
why
unarmed
responders
have
been
left
out
of
the
city
before
the
budget
for
the
upcoming
year
and
after
a
Groundswell
work
where
these
responders
over
the
past
several
months.
We
are
concerned
that
our
government
is
not
representing
us
properly.
By
ignoring
our
sediments.
B
A
budget
is
a
moral
document.
It
demonstrates
the
priorities
of
the
jurisdiction
that
it
funds
and
should
represent
the
views
of
the
constituency.
It
serves
We
Believe,
a
budget
that
includes
funding
for
online
responders
is
one
that
does
not
accurately
but
reflect
the
demands
of
the
community
and
enormous
urgent
need
for
a
reimagining
public
safety
infrastructure.
B
Reimagining
has
been
ambitious
and
inspiring
initiative
to
watch
the
city,
Undertake
and
one
that
can.
We
cannot
award
to
Simply
pesticide
when
it
comes
time
to
feed
implemented
when
undertaking
executive
order.
203
Ithaca
chose
to
give
a
one-of-a-kind
Public
Safety
strategy
a
chance
to
shine
without
these
unarm
responders.
This
ambitious
effort
will
do
nothing
meaningfully
would
do
nothing
to
meaning
anything
would
change
the
way
policing
is
done
here
in
Ithaca,
our
representatives
and
Council.
We
urge
you,
as
our
representatives
and
Council.
B
C
Thank
you
and
yes,
I,
appreciate
that
reminder.
Folks.
Do
that
for
three
minutes
next
I
have
the
phone
Mr,
Zach,
Quinn,.
C
Good
evening
my
name
is
Zach
Nguyen
I
do
think
it's
worth
mentioning
that
get
against
for
rematching
Public
Safety
is
in
harmful
people
of
the
American
way,
which
is
run
by
our
former
mayor
spontaneous.
It
was
executive
director
of
that
organization.
C
I
am
curious
about
the
2023
budget
proposal
by
the
mayor.
It
has
been
noted
that
the
budget
funds
only
43
officer
positions
out
of
a
positive
60..
This
is
one
less
than
a
2021
which
saw
44
funding
positions
and
I'm
wondering
why
the
city
is
proposing
to
remove
funding
from
these
seven
unfilled,
ipd
officer
positions,
and
if
this
is
an
acknowledgment,
they
will
not
be
filled.
A
budget
also
lays
out
funds
for
a
lateral
transfer,
bonus
recently
doubled
to
I
believe
twenty
thousand
dollars
eight
hour
or
two
years.
C
I
understand
that
the
bonus
had
never
been
utilized
and
not
one
officer
has
laterally
transferred
into
the
vehicle
police
department
since
reimagining
Public
Safety
began.
If
that's
not
the
correct,
please.
C
Moves
forward
I
encourage
the
common
Council
to
set
aside
funding
to
build
access
roads
into
city
land
often
referred
to
as
the
Jungle.
The
Thai
proposal
and
any
other
enforcement
action
on
city
land
will
require
easy
access
for
personal
responders
and
law
enforcement.
Council
persons,
Brown
and
deepending
have
discussed
a
intention
to
add
two
million
dollars,
City
budget
to
serve
as
reparations
to
black
and
brown
people
and
I'm
curious.
C
If
the
two
of
you
believe
that
that
two
million
dollars
of
taxpayer
money
would
be
better
spent
on
reparations
or
to
build
access
roads
in
order
to
you
know,
police,
the
Wallace
situation,
that's
going
on
there
I've
heard
mentioned
in
these
meetings
of
human
trafficking,
meth
cooking
on
city
land
and
just
essentially
no
one
knows
what's
going
on
so.
C
C
Next,
we
got
Eric
Werner,
who
is
joining
us
remotely.
A
A
C
C
C
F
I
got
an
error
message
that
says
the
host
has
stopped.
It
doesn't
matter
hello,
I'm,
Eric
Lerner,
as
you
know,
plan
Ithaca.
The
city's
comprehensive
plan
explicitly
prioritizes
pedestrians
and
active
Transportation
over
Motor
Vehicles
matcom's
survey
showed
strong
support
for
Ithaca
clearing
snow
and
ice
as
effectively
for
pedestrians
as
it
does
for
Motor
Vehicles
I'm
told
there
will
be
a
proposal
to
amend
the
acting
mayor's
proposed
budget
to
fund
a
study
and
pilot
project
information
to
know
whether
to
support
that
proposal
tonight,
I
want
to
highlight
what
most
needs
to
be
studied.
F
A
study
that
asks
the
wrong
questions
will
not
get
good
answers.
Six
quick
points.
One
crosswalks
Ithaca
now
has
Property
Owners,
clear,
sidewalks
and
curb
ramps,
while
DPW
clears
the
vehicle
Lanes,
but
the
ends
of
the
crosswalks,
where
the
curb
ramp
meets
the
street
are
no
one's
responsibility,
leaving
icy
barriers
at
most
of
our
intersections
even
after
the
vehicle
lanes
and
sidewalks,
are
clear
and
leaving
city
government
with
serious
liability
exposure.
Please
study
clearing
crosswalks
Citywide,
two
Staffing
DPW
will
always
be
short
staffed.
F
F
Please
study
Rochester's
use
of
short-term
contractors.
Three
priority
routes,
Syracuse
clears
snow
from
pedestrian
walkways
along
designated
high
priority
routes.
Please
study
how
best
to
create
a
GIS
map
of
priority
pedestrian
walkways
for
Ithaca
or
economies
of
scale
sending
snow
plows
or
enforcement
staff
hopscotching
around
the
city
to
selected
locations
is
very
inefficient.
F
F
After
a
snowstorm
it
may
take
a
day
or
two
or
more
before
a
DPW.
Crews
are
done
with
Street
plowing,
but
when
they
are
done,
please
ask
them
to
turn
their
attention
to
crosswalks
that
remain
uncleared,
also
City
Crews,
already
clear
sidewalks
by
City
buildings,
parks
and
bridges.
Please
ask
them
to
clear
the
adjacent
crosswalks
at
those
same
locations,
six
public
input.
You
have
already
seen
the
widespread
public
interest
in
this
issue.
An
effective
study
requires
ongoing
dialogue
with
the
public.
F
H
Okay,
so
you've
all
seen
me
before,
but
good
evening,
my
name
is
Jan
Lynch
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
the
Finger
Lakes
Independence,
Center
or
flick,
which
is
an
agency
that
advocates
for
and
assists
people
with
all
kinds
of
disabilities.
H
H
C
C
And
I
suppose
thank
you
very
much.
So
we'll
turn
to
the
department
review
now
we're
starting
with
police
and
reimagine
Public,
Safety
and
I
want
to
recognize
yeah
a
manner
of
the
people
before
I.
Do
that
I
wanted
to
know.
We
will
be
actually
moving
the
human
resources
item
to
the
meeting
on
the
on
that
idea
of
October
20th.
I
Thank
you,
Robert
I
and
other
members
of
common
Council
have
heard
from
community
members
and
we've
received
emails
regarding
the
budget
and,
in
particular,
questions
about
the
unarmed
division.
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
tonight
to
express
once
again
my
commitment
to
providing
comprehensive
Public
Safety
for
the
city
of
Ithaca
for.
A
C
I
I
I
I
I
We
have
a
commitment
to
funding
eight
of
these
positions
in
the
2023
budget.
If
there
is
additional
need,
we
can
address
those
needs
at
the
time.
We
understand
that
recruitment
is
very
challenging
this.
In
reply
to
one
of
the
public
speakers,
there
is
a
staffing
shortage
across
the
country
in
all
sectors,
including
Public
Safety,
including
police
departments.
We
are
not
unique
and
our
staffing
shortages,
to
my
mind,
cannot
be
directly
attributed
to
the
reimagining
public
safety
work
that
is
necessary.
I
J
Everybody
I'm
here
I
joined
it
on
the
panelist
but
I'm
unable
to
start
my
video
there's
a
setting,
maybe
by
the
host
that
can
be
adjusted.
Yeah.
C
J
I
guess
just
my
initially
I
think
you
know:
we've
asked
for
some
money
for
vehicle
Replacements
to
keep
our
overall
costs
down
over
the
five-year
term
that
we
try
to
maintain
our
vehicles.
That
looks
like
that
was
in
here.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
think
everything
looks
pretty
good.
The
one
issue
that
I
submitted
the
request
above
mayor's
budget
for
was
just
for
the
additional
positions,
and
you
know
my
request
would
be
that
it
could
potentially
be
phased
in
later
in
the
year.
J
However,
the
money
made
available,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
allow
for
funding
for
those
positions
that
we
can
fill
them
throughout
this
year.
You
know
that's
a
lot
of
people,
15
new
hires
love
to
see
us
get
there.
We
have
about
20
people
right
now
that
have
passed
the
physical
fitness
qualification
that
are
on
the
list.
We
don't
know
where
they
fall
on
the
list
right
now
or
if
we
can
get
to
them.
J
J
You
know
we're
very
hopeful
that
we
could
hire
these
eight
people
in
the
first
part
of
the
year,
and
you
know
I
guess
my
request
would
be
that
we
have
phased
in
the
remainder
towards
the
end
of
2023
to
allow
us
to
continue
to
make
progress,
because,
as
we've
seen
in
the
past,
it's
very
difficult
for
us
to
catch
up,
we're
in
the
middle
of
that
right
now
and
if
we
can
gain
momentum,
we'll
be
competing
with
all
the
other
agencies
in
the
area
trying
to
fill
positions.
K
K
Ipd
is
understaffed
in
a
very
serious
way,
and
if
you
don't
understand
that
you're
not
paying
attention,
we
made
a
commitment
when
we
started
reimagining
that
we
were
not
going
to
if
any
officers
lose
their
jobs
yes
and
then
that
we
made.
K
Obviously,
if
you
have
a
position,
that's
not
something
losing
their
child,
but
it
sort
of
is,
and
it
lowers
the
amount
of
officers
instead
in
our
indeed
and
I.
Don't
think
we
can
maintain
the
safety
of
this
city
with
so
few
police
officers.
K
C
L
I
still
am
not
against
it,
however.
What
I'm
questioning
is,
we
have
not
even
begun:
Public
Safety,
imagining
Public
Safety
and
we're
we're
talking
about
keeping
the
spots
for
police
officers
and
I
think
that's
like
for
me.
It's
kind
of
like
it
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
back
there.
M
I
Then
300
000
is
to
support
the
positions
in
an
extra
that
you
raise
this
because
one
of
the
positions
that
is
being
supported
and
that
Council
voted
on
is
the
data
analyst
with
the
community
Justice
Center.
There
is
another
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
as
I
understand
it
that
our
that
is
in
contingency
and
that
could
be
moving
at
least
or
an
unarmed
position.
G
Yeah
I
can
just
say
that
so
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
the
funding
that
was
put
into
previous
budget,
so
2022
400
000.
We
have
not
spent
any
of
those
funds,
so
they
will
be
encumbered
moving
forward
to
help
pay
for
the
unarmed
officers,
as
well
as
the
country
Chief
of
Staff.
The
public
safety.
M
I
Recruitment
effort
that
is
ramping
up
for
ipd
offices
and
I'm
pleased
that
that
is
the
case.
I
As
I
said
earlier,
our
Police
Department
is
suffering
as
our
many
departments,
not
only
police
departments
across
the
country,
but
it
is
to
my
mind,
big
and
lean
to
believe
that
we
would
be
able
to
bring
on
board
12
to
15
to
15
vacancies
currently
and
I
do
not
think
with
even
all
the
best
recruitment
efforts
and
so
I
do
not
want
to
tie
up
that
amount
of
money
for
the
other,
seven
positions
that
are
vacant,
no
one
is
losing
a
position.
I
I
do
not
want
to
tie
up
those
funds
that
are
desperately
needed
in
other
areas
in
our
budget
and
in
our
city.
If
they're
is
an
incredibly
successful,
Improvement
effort.
That
is
something
that
we
can
bring
back.
So
there
are
eight
positions.
I
Let's
say
there
are
eight
individuals
who
qualify
who
apply,
who
qualify
and
then
there's
a
nine
individual
who
shows
up.
We
will
then
come
back
to
to
ca
with
that
request,
but
I
just
do
not
want
to
I
I.
Do
not
think
it
is
in
my
view
that
others
will
differ
and
I
understand
that,
but
in
my
view
it
is
not
prudent
to
tie
up
our
budgetary
flexibility
by
keeping
all
15
of
those
funded
right
now.
K
I
guess
my
concern
is:
if
they're
taken
out
of
a
budget,
he's
going
to
take
extra
phones
to
put
it
back
in
a
substantial
amount
of
extra
funds,
and
we
don't
know
what
comes
to
be
made
up
of
in
the
future
and
I
guess:
I,
don't
understand
if,
if
we're
leaving
the
positions
open,
as
we
did
last
year,
how
we're
we're
not
spending
that
money
until
it's
their
fall,
so
I
think
we
should
make
a
mess.
K
I
I'll
turn
to
Steve
for
some
advice
on
how
funds
are
either
authorized
or
encumbered
that
may
prevent
us
from
utilizing
those
funds
in
another
area.
That's
of
critical
movement.
You
started
put
down
the
spot.
G
So
yeah,
obviously,
if
we
uncovered
funds
from
one
year
to
the
next,
we
generally
do
that
for
a
particular
purpose.
So
we
a
couple
things:
one:
the
PDA
contract,
which
was
out
for
several
years.
G
We
had
mediation
and
arbitration
and
came
to
an
agreement
there,
and
so
those
funds
for
the
2022
budget
are
basically
showing
up
as
a
10-year
expense,
because
you're
jumping
for
10
years
of
sailoring,
so
we
have
to
fund
those
in
2022.
G
Our
our
look
at
the
budget
was,
as
far
as
the
these
police
officers
was
a
realistic
look
at
what
was
thought
that
would
be
able
to
be
hired
currently
or
22
and
at
23
plus
any
retirements
that
might
occur
during
that
period
of
time.
So
that's
that's
why
eight
were
funded.
Seven
were
not,
and
it
was
the
belief
that
is
if
recruitment
was
excellent
and
we
were
able
to
go
beyond
on
the
positions
plus
any
retirements
that
came
up
that
are
that
are
funded.
G
Then
we
would
look
at
adding
funds
at
that
time
in
2023.
So
the
thing
is
we
have
to
look.
We
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
end
up
at
2022's,
budget
and
final
activity
there
might
have
been.
Funds
would
be
able
to
encumber
as
well
from
open
positions
from
with
the
police
activity.
But
we
have
to
see
how
things
shake
out
with
all
of
the
funding
that
we
had
to
do
for
the
PVA
contract.
G
K
G
I
We're
looking
at
a
realistic
number,
we
have
one
and
MPG
building
recording
I'm,
not
saying
this
accurately.
We
have
one
individual
in
the
academy
right
now
there
has
been
a
more
active
recruitment
effort
and
we
are
hopeful
that
that
will
result
in
more
individuals
taking
the
test
and
following
through,
but
it
was
my
view
that
those
eight
positions,
even
that
is
ambitious
gold.
It's
a
stretch
but
I,
believe
it's
more
realistic
than
to
have
all
15
of
those
positions
in
the
budget.
L
He
I
I
want
to
be
clear
because
maybe
what
I'm
about
to
say
is
I,
don't
think
it's
here
saying:
I
got
it
from
a
that.
Those
positions
would
have
been
filled.
If
people
had
not
only
passed
the
physical
therapy,
the
PT
I
think
if
they
passed
the
other
areas
that
they
have
to
pass.
That
means
mental
all
the
other
tests
that
you
take
have
have
they,
because
you've
had
quite
a
few
in
divisions
who
have
applied
and
have
fat,
past
Physical
Therapy,
but
have
not
passed
other
areas.
L
And
and
so
when
we
talk
about
how
hard
it
is
to
get
police
officers
and
we
blame
Republic
RPS,
are
we
being
honest
about
how
what's
happening
after
they
fed
after
they
pass
PT
then
when
they
don't
pass
the
other
areas.
L
I
I
We
want
the
best
officers
in
our
department
and
so
for
that
reason
there
are
these
bars
to
be
met
and
I
would
not
want
to
see
a
compromise
on
any
of
those
measures.
That's
not
the
sole
reason,
and
it's
and
here
I
will
turn
to
acting
Chief
I
I'm,
aware
of
a
handful,
but
not
a
large
number
of
individuals
who
apply.
I
Who
then
do
not
make
it
through
the
various
review
processes,
the
various
test
measures
and
the
lateral
incentive,
the
lateral
transfer
incentive,
I'm,
hoping
that
we
will
promote
that
more
strongly,
so
that
we
may
be
able
to
see
officers
from
another
Community
who
want
to
be
in
our
community
who
have
passed.
Various
tests
would
still
have
to
pass
our
tests,
but
who
have
been
through
the
academy,
so
that
saves
some
time
and
and
cost
even
with
the
twenty
thousand
dollar
lateral
transfer
incentive.
J
I
can
keep
going
in
there
yeah
I,
mayor
I,
think
you
covered
quite
a
bit
of
it
and
so
you're
you
are
corrected
there
are.
There
are
many
steps
that
we
you
know
we
have
in
place
to
ensure
that
we
bring
in
people
that
will
be
a
good
fit
for
the
community
and
one
of
the
things
that
other
agencies
are
doing
as
well,
and
you
know
looking
at
that
is
some
agencies
are
relaxing
the
standards
and
I
agree
with
mayor
Lewis.
J
We
are
not
willing
to
compromise
on
the
standards
at
this
point,
so
it
has,
you
know,
caused
some
people
to
not
make
it
through
the
process
this
past
year,
you
know,
we
haven't
tried
to
process
enough
people
to
fill
all
these
positions
and
to
specifically
talk
about
the
picture
kind
of
paint,
a
picture
of
where
we're
at
right.
Now
we
just
we
just
had
the
civil
service
test
on
September
17th
as
well
as
we
have
86
people
signed
up
for
that
test
in
previous
years.
J
We
didn't
do
the
physical
fitness
qualification
ahead
of
getting
that
certified
list
from
civil
service.
That
was
something
that
was
done
afterwards
and
we
processed
down
the
list
this
year.
This
go
around.
We
are
trying
to
get
ahead
even
further,
so
we've
processed
We've
offered
two
dates
for
the
physical
fitness
qualification
to
allow
people
to
get
that
done
and
that
will
streamline
the
process
once
we
get
the
certified
list,
we
don't
have
to
take
that
step.
J
That's
it's
done
so
it
allows
us
to
advance
a
little
bit
faster,
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
have
in
place
this
year.
We
have
we're
working
on
getting
reoccurring.
Interview
dates,
set
up
with
all
of
the
people
that
are
involved
in
the
chief
level
interviews
and
recruitment
interviews.
So
we
have
standing
dates
on
the
calendar
to
try
to
put
people
through
the
process
much
quicker.
J
We
expect
to
get
the
list
back
from
civil
service
by
the
beginning
of
December,
which
will
allow
us
to
immediately
start
on
the
interview
process
and
then
ultimately,
working
backgrounds
on
people
that
appear
to
be
good,
fits
or
that
are
qualified.
Additionally,
we
were
able
to
get
through
Civil
Service,
a
relaxing
of
the
requirements
for
residency.
J
So
now,
for
the
next
year
year
and
a
half,
there
is
no
residency
requirement
for
the
test
for
police
and
fire
here
for
Ithaca,
and
we
intend
to
have
another
test
again
in
September
which
will
have
no
residency
requirements.
Hopefully
we'll
have
more
people
sign
up
for
that,
one
as
well,
which
will
give
us
another
group
of
people
bigger
pool
to
work
through,
and
we
should
be
able
to
again
start
processing
people
from
that
list
before
the
end
of
23.
J
That
would
be
again
it'll
be
a
big
push
for
hiring
in
December
of
23
as
well,
so
those
are
kind
of
on
the
recruitment
side,
that's
kind
of
how
the
processing
goes.
We
are
able
to
expedite
a
lot
of
this.
We've
got
quite
a
bit
of
things
in
place
that
we
have
not
had
in
place
before
to
try
to
really
make
this
smoother
and
quicker,
but
without
compromising.
L
So
I
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
very
so,
I
just
think
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
have
reimagining
Public
Safety.
Our
officers
feel,
however,
because
I
I
think
I
need
to
make
it
very
clear
that
officers
usually
come
after
the
crime
is
committed.
L
D
You
I
recognize
myself
and
I.
Had
a
Jorge,
Patrick
and
George
I
have
two
quick
questions,
one
for
the
mayor
and
one
and
for
the
chief
and.
C
Steve
first
goes
to
the
comment
that
return
to
the
contingency
for
the
unarmed
I
want
to
just
confirm,
because
I
I
also
shared
Cynthia's
confusion.
Here
there.
G
So
just
so
unclear
you're
talking
about
the
so
just
so
we're
all
clear.
We
had.
We
had
funds
in
2022.
Actually
2021
was
the
first
issuance
of
funds,
I
think
it
was
roughly
124
000
and
then
2022
budget.
We
put
in
400
000
for
a
city
funded
program
and
also
300
000,
roughly
for
the
county
and
City
shared
program
in
2023,
we've
additionally
put
in
another
300
and
some
thousand
dollars
for
the
city
county
share
program.
G
We
are
uncovering
all
those
funds
that
haven't
been
used
in
either
21
or
22
to
go
forward,
and
so
those
funds
would
could
be
used
for
I,
mean
I
think
depends
on
what
council
wants
to
do,
but
those
funds
could
be
used
for
either
or
those
programs
either
the
County's
City
share
program
or
where
the
city
Only,
unarmed
or
whatever
comes
about
from
the
RPS
yeah.
G
C
C
Pertains
to
Staffing
and
ipd
and
contract
was
on
what
George
had
raised.
I
mean
imagining
that,
in
the
event
that
we
are
able
to
hire
additional
officers,
some
of
that
funding
under
overtime
could
be
reprogrammed
for
salary.
If
Farm
officers
are
not
having
to
work
overtime
because
they're
no
longer
suffering
a
staffing
shortage
is.
J
I
think
probably
that
would
really
affect
next
year's
budget,
because
once
we
hire
people
there's
quite
a
bit
of
time
between
the
time
we
hire
them
until
they
get
through
a
six-month
Academy
and
then
do
four
months
of
field
training
before
they're
eligible
to
actually
Impact
Staffing,
so
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
We
may
see
that,
but
I
think
it
would,
if
we're
able
to
fill
these
positions
this
year,
certainly
would
affect
that
for
next
year.
C
I'm
not
recognized,
thank
you,
yeah
I,
I,
agree
with
the
marriage
opposed
about
is
ambitious
to
get
15
officers
on
a
funded
up
front
when
we've
had
these
have
these
issues
with
military,
Improvement
and
I.
Think
with
that
with
the
funding
already
authorized,
for
it
should
that
you
know
come
to
life,
you
know
we
can.
We
can
see
about
getting
that
funded,
but
I
I,
guess
I'm
a
little
confused
on.
C
You
know
most
of
the
clarity,
because
there's
mentioned
throughout
this
whole
process:
oral
officer,
recruitment
by
multiple
groups,
including
the
PBA
that
says
that
there
have
been
difficulty
trying
to
receive
applicants
receiving
a
single
applicant-
and
you
know
that's
been
going
on-
is
as
recent
as
in
the
past
this
past
week.
Putting
the
requests
for
filling
these
positions.
C
There's
been
mention
of
you,
know:
86
standards,
taking
you
know,
civil
service
exams
and
and
trying
to
to
be,
you
know,
pass
certain
tests
so
that
they
could
join
the
force
and
I
just
I'm,
hoping
if
I
get
some
clarity
on
that,
because
there
seems
to
be
a
disconnect
there,
and
not
only
because,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
this
year,
that
we
can
get
allocated
more
funding
for
responders,
they
should
be.
C
Foreigners
to
respond
to
that,
and
we
have
funding
for
the
three
of
them
allocated
right
now
and
I
think
we're
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
do
that.
Have
more
funding
for
more
on
our
responders
up
front
so
that
they
can
that
process
of
building
that
division
out
isn't
so
delayed,
and
we
can
be
more
proactive
on
that
front.
But
those
are
my
questions
that
I
guess
I
wonder
if
there's
any
Clarity
that
either
or
seeing
people
provide.
C
Yeah
I'm
just
confused
because
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
of
concerns
about.
There
have
been
struggles
to
recruit
officers
on
for
for
our
police
department,
but
in
the
request
for
the
funding,
37
positions
I've
seen
mention
of
you
know:
86
86
candidates
trying
to
take
some
service
task,
foreign.
I
So
I'll
turn
into
the
acting
Chief,
because
there
are
phases
so
you're
right.
Certain
number
of
people
sign
up
for
the
civil
service
exam.
Not
all
of
them
show
up.
Not
all
of
them
are
applying
for
our
police
department,
they
will
be
multi-listed
and
then
you
get
into
some
of
the
other
measures
that
we're
looking
at
in
in
terms
of
qualifications.
So
it
is
not
and
I
think
you're
pointing
out
the
disconnect.
It
is
not
the
case
that
there
are
86
applications
to
the
ipd.
I
J
So
I
can
clarify
how
we've
the
recruitment
process
and
the
numbers
for
this
past
year,
roughly
and
I'd
be
happy
to
give
you
the
firm
numbers
in
writing
after
this,
but
in
general
terms,
we've
we
have
had
lateral
transfer.
Applicants
from
other
agencies
apply
since
we
initially
started
with
the
fifteen
thousand
dollar
lateral
incentive
and
we
were
not
able
to
to
hire
any
of
the
I
believe
there
were
three
that
applied
because
they
didn't
meet
the
qualifications
that
we
had
internally
to
bring
people
onto
the
department.
J
So,
although
we
did
have
some
people
apply
and
attempt
to
take
advantage
of
it,
it
did
not
work
out
for
us
and
we
didn't
compromise
and
as
far
as
the
Civil
Service
list,
that
we
have
the
the
previous
Civil
Service
list,
which
will
be
replaced
here
very
soon
by
this
new
one.
J
We
have
exhausted
that
and
we
we
went
through
multiple
iterations,
where
we
would
ask
civil
service
to
send
out
letters
and
read
canvas
to
see
if
there
is
anyone
that
changed
their
mind
or
was
now
able
to
or
interested
in
that
had
declined
in
the
past,
and
from
that
we
were
able
to
hire
some
people.
We
have
one
person,
as
a
mayor
mentioned
earlier,
that's
in
the
academy
slated
to
graduate
the
academy
the
first
week
in
November
next
month
and
then
coming
to
field
training.
J
We
also
are
in
the
process
of
doing
a
background
on
another
candidate
applicant
from
the
Civil
service
list,
so
that
would
not
be
lateral.
You
know,
but
I
think.
Maybe
what
you're
referencing
is
that
you
know
we
have
put
twenty
thousand
dollars
out
there
to
entice
lateral
candidates
at
this
point
and
we
have
not
gotten
any
additional
applicants
trying
to
lateral
in
since
we've
upped
the
amount
and
advertised
to
twenty
thousand.
G
C
That
we
didn't
use
for
additional
officers
to
22
is
being
used
to
offset.
You
know
the
10-year
PBA
contract
change.
I
guess,
could
you
tell
me
which
of
these
lines
are
directly
being
affected
by
that
contract
change?
I
mean
I,
see,
staff
salary
goes
up
about
a
million
contracts,
triples
federal
police
and
fires
together,
but
the
retirement
puts
up
about
a
million
there.
C
G
Yeah,
so
the
increases
in
the
contract
would
be
in
2022,
the
actual
salary
costs
plus
Fringe.
So
that
would
be
all
your
fringes
related
to
salary
in
23,
the
the
jump
is
from
the
original
22
budget,
which
was
previous
contracts,
expenses
for
salaries
to
the
2023
new
contract,
new
PBA
contract
salary.
So
that
jump
is
in
the
salary
line,
in
addition
to
all
the
related
fringe
benefits
or
the
retirement,
but
like
the
health
insurance,
all
those
are
related
to
that
contract.
G
And
again
you
know
the
offset
will
not
offset
the
full
cost,
because
it
was
very
expensive,
obviously,
and
we're
very
happy
that
we
have
a
new
contract
in
place,
but
it's
very
expensive
and
over
time
over
those
10
years
we
tried
the
best
we
could
to
put
money
aside
for
knowing
that
someday.
We
would
have
to
pay
those.
G
But
obviously
the
budget
is
a
balancing
act,
so
we
have
to
juggle
all
kinds
of
money,
and
so
that's
another
reason
why
you
see
only
eight
funded
positions
here,
because
is
we're
trying
to
balance
the
budget
so
that
we're
providing
the
community
that
the
services
we
believe
they
deserve
and
also
trying
to
keep
that
tax
overall
tax
rate
and
Levy
down
as
low
as
possible.
All
right
so.
K
I
want
to
maybe
help
Stevie
understand
something,
but
also
before
I.
Do
that
I
want
to
make
clear
that
having
this
fully
staffed,
Police
Department
is
by
no
means
rejecting
or
diminishing
reimagining
for
Public
Safety.
K
We
need
a
police
department
to
be
part
of
a
big
part
of
reimagining
and
to
do
the
things
that
we
want
the
police
to
do
specifically
more
Community
person.
We
have
to
have
the
numbers
and
we're
we
got
three
officers
covered
in
the
whole
city.
We
can't
Chief
Julie,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
one
of
the
big
roadblocks
for
hiring
more
officers.
K
J
Yes,
so
we
typically
have
offered
the
test
every
other
year
and
where
there
are
many
restrictions
there
we
have
to,
we
can
only
reach
into
the
top
three
scores,
so
they
could
potentially
be
more
than
three
people,
depending
on
how
many
people
scored
the
same,
but
every
time
that
we
process
through
we
come
to
a
point
where
there's
three
people-
and
we
can't
you
know
generally
get
passed
or
you
know
we
end
up.
J
J
Think
another
problem
is,
you
know
the
expense
to
take
the
test
like,
for
example,
Tompkins
County.
The
test
is
free.
We
have
reduced
the
cost
now
this
year
for
the
test,
which
is
very
helpful.
However,
if
you
live
outside
of
the
adjoined
counties,
still
fifty
dollars
to
sign
up
and
like
I
said,
the
sheriff
department
is
free
and
it's
a
very
competitive
market
right
now
and
not
a
huge
number
of
people
looking
to
get
into
law
enforcement.
Unfortunately,.
J
L
M
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
for
staff,
but
just
to
also
build
on
on
the
discussion.
M
Individuals
are
functioning
in
high
stress
situations
and
we
are
relying
on
them
to
be
professional
to
behave
and
respond
appropriately,
and
it's
very
very
difficult
to
do
so.
If
you
have
been
on
a
12-hour
shift
because
you
have
been
held
over
because
there's
no
one
to
fill
the
next
show
when
people
are
tired
and
exhausted
and
oftentimes,
they
are
engaged
in
situations
where
they
are
seen
the
worst,
whether
or
not
it's
a
a
child
abuse
situation
or
terrible
traffic
accident
or
an
altercation
or
a
theft.
M
M
So
my
question
to
staff.
My
first
question
I
think,
is
to
cheat
and
then
follow
up
with
with
Steve
and
and
there
I.
M
This
budget
goes
from
three
data
entry,
specialist
positions,
actually
Four
funded
data
entry,
specialist
positions
to
zero
I
just
did
a
tour
to
your
department.
I
think
I've
met
your
three-day
increase
specialist
position,
so
I'm
kind
of
wondering
why
these
positions
are
not
funded
in
the
2023
budget.
And
what
does
this
mean.
J
So
because
we,
we
don't
I,
believe
we
they're
now
listed
in
here
as
police
support
Specialists
and
we
eliminated
the
position
of
data
entry
Specialists
when
we
reclassify
those
positions.
L
Thank
you
and
I
understand,
stress
and
hard
work
and
all
those
things
are
very
important,
but
I
also
understand
what
we
have
experienced
from
hands
of
officers
throughout
the
United
States
of
America.
So
if
you
want
to
talk
about,
let's
do
it
low.
Let's
do
it
tomorrow.
L
This
is
something
what
executive
order
to
be
asked
for:
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
have
forgot
what
it
felt
like
for
our
communities
to
watch
a
foot
on
George
Floyd's
neck
and
to
think
about
a
little
boy
in
the
park,
tymer
playing
with
a
play
gun
in
bed.
So
these
things
come
up
for
us
constantly
and
we
are
filling
everything
and
more.
We
are
just
as
in
pain
just
as
in
trauma,
and
we
don't
even
have
some
of
the
benefits
that
these
officers
will
have.
C
Thank
you
and
thank
you.
It
is
an
important
reminder
for
us.
N
To
know
why
we're
doing
this
I
do
I
feel
like
this
question
that
we
have
before
us
about
the
15
versus
eight
positions
really
hinges
on
our
continents
around
whether
or
not
we
can
recruit
officers
so
I'm.
Sorry,
I
keep
I'm
coming
back
to
something
that
others
have
tried
to
explore,
but
I
feel
like
I
need
to
understand
more
about
this.
N
Yes,
we
we
want
to
hold
our
officers
to
a
high
standard
and
therefore
we're
not
willing
to
reduce
the
or
lower
the
qualifications,
but
I'm
not
sure
I,
fully
understand
what
we
are
assessing
in
those
qualifications,
so
Chief
I'm,
guessing
I'll
turn
it
to
you.
The
help
I
heard
us
say
things
like
we
have
a
physical
fitness
exam
that
kind
of
makes
sense,
but
maybe
there's
more
detail.
You
can
share
about
that.
N
I'd
also
like
to
understand:
how
are
we
assessing
those
are
we
doing
these
internally
or
these
external
Consultants
that
are
helping
us
or
these
exams
that
are
kind
of
standard
exams
across
the
industry
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
know
more
about
that.
So
we
can
have
confidence
in
in
our
recruiting
efforts.
J
Foreign
sure
great
question,
so
there
is
a
lengthy
process
right
and
it
starts
with
each
municipality
decides
when
they're
gonna
offer
a
test,
so
we
previously
had
offered
tests
every
two
years.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
becoming
a
police
officer
with
the
city
of
Ithaca
and
you're,
not
currently
certified
with
another
agency
in
New
York
state,
you
would
have
to
sign
up
for
that
test
and
meet
the
qualifications
which
currently
I
think
there's
an
age
requirement.
J
I
believe
it's
19
and
then
you
have
to
have
a
high
school
diploma
or
a
GED
I
believe
those
are
the
minimum
requirements
to
take
the
test.
But
you
have
to
you
have
to
sign
up
when
a
test
is
announced
and
there's
a
window
when
you
can
sign
up
for
that.
So
if
you
know
it's
an
off
year
in
the
past,
you
would
have
to
wait
a
full
year,
but
you
could
still
sign
up
with
other
agencies
across
the
state
that
are
hiring.
J
So
that's
one
thing:
it's
just
kind
of
the
timing
is
always
an
issue
when
we
do
the
every
two
years,
so
you
first
have
to
be
in
the
window.
When
you
can
sign
up
for
the
test
sign
up
for
the
test,
then
once
you
sign
up
for
the
test,
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
crossfile
with
other
agencies
which
that's
very
common.
J
So
if
there
are
other
agencies
that
you
qualify
for
that,
don't
have
resident
restrictions,
you
could
sign
up
and
basically
sit
at
a
location
closest
to
you
for
your
convenience,
but
your
test
score
would
count
at
every
place
you
cross
file
with
once
that
happens,
and
you
take
the
test
and
you
pass
typically
how
we've
handled
it
at
ipd.
Is
we
get
a
certified
list,
so
the
the
results
come
back
from
the
state
they
go
to
the
local
Civil
Service
they
check
over
the
list,
and
then
they
certify
it
locally.
J
Give
it
to
us
and
then
there's
a
myriad
of
processes
that
go
from
there
of
where
we
have
to
Canvas
people
there's
a
period
of
time.
We
have
to
send
a
letter.
Are
you
interested
still
and
then
there's
I
believe
a
two-week
window?
We
have
to
allow
for
them
to
respond
before
we
can
move
forward
and
then
a
physical
fitness
qualification
which
is
set
by
the
state.
That's
not
something
that
we
specifically
set.
That's
a
requirement.
J
It's
you
know,
generally,
it's
my
own
half-run
push-up
sit-ups
and
then
once
you've
passed
that
test
that
physical
fitness
has.
Then
we
can
move
on
to
trying
to
hire.
You
bring
you
in
for
interviews,
and
you
know
if,
if
things
are
working
out,
we
can
start
a
background
investigation
with
that
candidate
and
while
we're
doing
that,
there's
several
tiers
to
that.
So
we
have.
J
You
know
our
own
background
process
that
we
have
all
of
our
investigators
that
do
this
have
been
sent
out
certified
to
do
these
in
investigations.
In
addition,
we
send
off
these
candidates
to
it's
too.
It's
recently
changed,
but
basically
two
different
levels
of
psychological
evaluation
by
a
doctor
out
of
Rochester
a
firm
out
of
Rochester.
That
does
that.
So
that
is
not
something
we
do
in-house.
Additionally,
in
coordination,
we
then
have
a
polygraph
test
that
we
have
administered.
So
in
the
past,
we've
relied
on
Syracuse
Police
Department
to
do
that.
J
For
us
with
our
candidates,
they
don't
do
that
anymore,
because
they're
working
on
hiring
their
own
employees.
So
now
we
have
an
outside
company
that
comes
in
and
does
the
polygraph
test
just
to
confirm
that
you
know
people
are
being
honest
and
truthful
and
not
withholding
information.
That's
relevant
to
the
background.
J
Once
all
those
are
completed,
you
know
we
would
give
someone
a
conditional
offer
just
to
make
sure
that
we've
checked
all
these
different
parameters
and
we
would
do
a
full
check
on
relatives,
neighbors,
previous
employers
and
so
on,
and
then
then
we
can
hire
them
and
then
from
there
the
other
hurdle
we
have
is
you
know
that
we
utilize
Regional
police
academies,
we
don't
hold
our
own
and
so
typically
Broome
County
is
one
that
we
utilize.
J
J
The
next
closest
Academy-
and
we
would
send
them
there
for
six
months,
but
you
know
in
the
hiring
process.
There's
many
levels
in
New
York
state
just
codified
it
into
law.
Recently
this
past
this
past
year,
which
requires
those
steps
we
were
doing
them
anyway,
but
they
recently
became
required
by
the
state.
N
Thank
you
just
so
one
quick
question,
it
sounds
sounds
sorry.
It
sounds
like
the
the
things
that
we're
doing
mostly
internally
are
related
to
I
think
it
might
have
been
the
psych.
A
J
Yep,
so
the
in-house
portion
is
the
the
background
investigation.
Where
we
we
look
into
criminal
history.
We
would
then
go
out
if
there
were
any
arrests
or
any
issues
or
any
interactions.
Other
agencies.
We
would
then
go
out
and
gather
those
reports
review
them,
ensure
that
the
candidates
are
being
truthful
in
the
process
and
that
they're
not
anything
that
would
prohibit
them
from
being
hired,
and
then
we
would
do
neighborhood,
canvases
and
so
forth.
So
that's
the
internal
portion
that
we
do.
J
We
send
them
out
to
a
Psychological
Services
firm
out
of
Rochester
for
the
psychological
evaluation
and
we
use
a
certified
polygrapher.
That
is
not
part
of
Ip
staff
to
do
the
polygraph.
Okay.
Thank
you.
L
People
is
that
handy,
yes,
I
have
one
remark
about.
We
talk
about
and
I
yeah.
Thank
you
for
getting
more
of
that
information.
Well,
how
about
the
image
of
policemen
being
changed?
Maybe
that
is
somewhere
of
of
changing
what
what
it
means
to
be
a
police
officer
right
because
of
what
has
been
happening
in
police
departments
throughout
the
country.
Maybe
that
is
another
reason
that
you
don't
care
when
you
go
in
and
ask
kids
in
the
class.
What
do
you
want
to
be
when
you
grow
up?
L
It
used
to
be
a
police
or
a
fireman.
So
maybe
we
don't
talk
much
about
changing
the
image
of
what
policing
means
to
community
and
to
yeah,
to
community
and
to
police.
What
does
it
mean
right
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
change
that
and
start
talking
honestly,
because
we
keep
talking
about
you
know,
people
aren't
are
applying
and
people
don't
want
to
be
police
officers,
and
we
need
to
ask
the
question
why
and
we
know
why
well
I
know
why
I
mean
I,
don't
know
why,
for
everybody
I
know
what
goes
through.
A
L
J
Just
briefly,
I
think
you
raised
some
really
good
points
and
and
I
think
you
you
touched
on
and
something
that
we've
talked
about
internally
also,
is
that
this
recruitment
effort?
What
we're
talking
about
now,
there's
there's
really
two
stages.
This
there's
like
two
prong,
there's
an
immediate
recruitment
effort
which
we're
talking
about
now,
where
we
hire
a
recruiter
and
we're
actively.
You
know
trying
to
track
lateral
candidates,
we're
trying
to
fill
the
enormous
Gap
that
we
have
in
Staffing
right
now,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
like
immediate,
short-term
recruitment.
J
What
we
need
to
do,
which
ties
into
what
you
had
mentioned,
we
need
long-term
recruitment.
You
know
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
get
back
into
the
schools.
We
need
to
get
more
involved
with
the
youth
and
the
community
build
those
relationships
early
on
set
positive
examples,
and
then
you
know
that
will
pay
off
down
the
road
with
better
community
relations
better,
you
know
perceptions
of
local
law
enforcement.
You
know
and
we're
always
you
know.
Unfortunately,
there
probably
will
be
bad
examples
across
the
country.
Again.
J
You
know
I
hate
to
say
that.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
these.
Things
can
be
prevented
by
continuing
to
keep
high
standards,
and
you
know
we
need
to
locally.
We
have
to
build
that
long-term
relationship
with
the
community
to
get
a
long-term
recruitment
of
bringing
officers
that
we
want
within
this
community
that
represent
the
goals
and
values
of
of
Ithaca
to
be
police
officers.
Here.
Thank
you.
C
At
organic
size
just
really
quickly,
just
really
quickly,
Steve,
pretty
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
answer
for
me
what
exactly
for
5.3
000
contracts
are
and
I
can
like
three,
please.
C
You
could
provide
a
little
detail
explanation
for
people,
so
not
really.
Lawyers
to.
G
For
the
police
department,
yeah
I
have
to
look
at
their
some
middling,
but
Jen
you
can
chime
in.
If
you
could
have
off
the
top
of
your
head.
What
could
be
in
there?
But
there's
a
number
of
different
contracts
that
we
support
during
the
year
and
as
soon
as
I
find
that.
J
I
missed
part
of
the
questions.
A
little
gargled
was
the
question
about
what
is
under
the
contract
section
right.
C
Yeah
for
line
four
five,
four,
three:
five
everybody's
contracts.
What
would
be
covered
by
that.
J
I
believe
some
of
this,
these
would
be
the
copy
machines
that
we
have
the
contracts
we
have
to
lease.
Those
and
other
equipment
in
the
building
I
can
get
a
breakdown
further
for
you
on
that
I'll
put
that
on
my
list.
J
G
About
coffee
machines,
yeah,
so
I
can
give
you
a
quick
rundown.
The
larger
thing,
and
the
reason
it
goes
up,
is
the
lexical
contract
it
was
approved
earlier.
This
year
is
included
for
next
year
and
also
I
think
we're
looking
at
a
camera
system
as
well
possible
possibility
of
a
camera
systems
in
the
community.
G
In
addition,
you
have
several
different
smaller
contracts,
including
copiers
with
various
you
know,
shredding
and
Reporting,
and
wild
animal
removal
and
a
number
of
different,
smaller
contracts
that
but
the
larger
the
reason
that's
going
up
is
the
lexical
contract
from
the
cameras.
You've
got
trenches.
M
Simple,
thank
you.
I
presume
we're
talking
about
reimagining
Public
Safety.
As
part
of
this
conversation,
I
will
I
do
want
to
add
to
the
list.
M
Five
thousand
dollars
in
contingency
for
training,
for
members
of
the
community
of
police
Ford
to
receive
training
in
terms
of
increase
oversight
and
the
organization
shall
be
approved
by
both
Community
advocates
seeking
police
reform,
as
well
as
law
enforcement.
I
do
believe
that
there
are
organizations
that
are
respective
and
highly
regarded
by
those,
and
we
discussed
this
at
our
community
meeting
for
our
special
meeting
last
night.
O
I
guess
first
just
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
and
talk
about
our
budget
and
ask
answer
any
questions
you
have.
The
budget
in
the
mayor
court
keeps
our
staffing
goal,
allows
us
to
start
replacing
some
aging
equipment
which
we've
sort
of
been
behind
on
due
to
some
lean
budgets
in
the
past
and
has
a
couple
of
significant
capital
budget
items.
One
is
for
a
heavy
rescue,
which
is
a
long
overdue
heavy
apparatus
replacement.
O
That's
been
off
our
schedule
that
we
try
to
keep
our
heavy
Democratic
on
and
the
second
is
funding
for
these
still
fire
stations,
so
we're
going
through
the
planning
process
review
and
if
this
Council
decides
to
support
the
station,
they
want
to
have
the
funds
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
project
so
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
budget
by
the
end.
Thank
you.
O
Our
staffing
is
64..
We
have
one
vacant
position,
we
just
kind
of
list
back
and
Civil
Service
since
canvas
eligible
candidates
and,
as
you
were
talking
about
earlier,
you
have
to
choose
from
the
top
three
or
at
least
three
people
with
the
top
scorer
bands.
So
with
our
list
that
allowed
us
to
Canvas
10
people
for
interest,
nine
have
responded
that
they
would
like
to
apply
for
the
one
eligible
position
that
we
have
and
we're
in
the
process
of
setting
with
interviews
right
now.
A
Thank
you.
You
mentioned
that
25
of
iot
is
eligible
I'm
curious,
how
you
prepare,
for
example,
available.
O
Transition
sure
well
normally
under
normal
circumstances,
there's
usually
a
lot
of
conversation
and
planning
on
the
part
of
our
members,
so
most
are
concerned
about
the
well-being
of
the
community
and
their
fellow
firefighters,
so
their
honor
most
circumstances
are
normally
pretty
open
and
sharing
about
their
plans
if
they,
if
they
know
about
it,
because
they
want
to
set
the
department
up
for
success
and
often
full-time
their
retirement
in
such
a
way
that
we
can
get
someone
set
up
to
go
to
the
next
fire
academy.
O
For
example,
you
know
like
any
organization,
if
there's
some
on
no
reason,
25
of
the
people
decided
to
leave
because
of
whatever
personal
choices
they
made,
then
it
would
be
challenging
for
sure.
My
guess
is
is
that
I
would
be
having
to
come
to
this
group
and
look
at
our
overtime
budget
and
move
some
of
our
staffing
costs
to
overtime.
While
we,
you
know,
try
to
get
new
people
in
similar
to
the
police
department.
O
You
know
with
us
it's
timing
related
to
the
fire
academies
that
we
currently
use,
and
you
know
that's
right
now,
15
weeks
and
then
we
do
normally
about
an
eight-week
onboarding
process.
One
folks
come
to
our
department
Human
specifics
about
us,
so
so
my
sincere
hope
is
that
25
of
the
department
doesn't
choose
to
retire
role.
C
O
Down
I
expect
our
gas
and
oil
to
go
up
just
because
working
with
the
controller,
the
general
cost
of
gasoline
has
gone
up
for
diesel
fuel,
so
that
mainly
reflects
the
change
in
the
market
price.
O
If
we
get
an
electric
vehicle-
or
you
know,
as
I'll
discussed
in
my
request
above
the
mayor's
budget,
if
we
were
to
get
a
second
electric
vehicle,
then
there
would
certainly
be
cost
savings
from
those
vehicles.
But
you
know,
as
you
know,
our
general
operating
expenses
gone
up
as
every
Department
electricity,
for
example,
is
a
fairly
significant
increase,
but
that's
just
working
with
Steve
to
determine
what
the
market
rate
is
and
trying.
C
Then,
rather
than
the
second
one
I
had
there
Community
for
Steve,
because
no
contracts
just
like
below
that
is
up
22
000.
You
know
what
car
travels
six
jump.
A
O
To
look
at
right,
I,
don't
know,
I'll,
take
a
educated
guess
so
so
we're
already
using
Lexapro,
which
you
know
we're
still
transitioning,
because
it's
a
it's
a
process
to
do
it
right
and
thoughtfully,
but
in
in
this
past
Year's
budget
and
in
this
year's
budget,
our
records
management
system
currently
has
been
a
server-based
one-time,
B
piece
of
software
that
has
long
outlived
its
usefulness
and
the
company
is
actually
discontinuing
support,
mid-year,
so
we're
actually
finishing
the
process
and
reviewing
our
new
record
management
systems
like
many
software
programs,
they
are
subscription
based
so
I'm,
guessing
part
of
that
contract
price,
probably
reverse
that
on
the
plus
side,
the
functionality
of
the
new
records,
Management,
Systems
I-
think
will
make
this
much
better.
O
Who
are
internal,
and
my
customer
right
now,
if
firefighter
has
to
call
on
the
phone
and
ask
for
their
schedule
to
be,
and
the
new
programs
we're
looking
at
will
allow
them
to
look
at
an
app
on
their
phone
and
things
like
that.
So
so
that
I
guess
right.
Excuse
me,
you
did
yeah.
The
management
system
is
what's
going
on
right
next.
Thank
you.
L
L
I
just
had
a
comment
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
probably
make
a
little
light
of
this
I
was
on
the
phone
this
week.
Talking
with
my
granddaughter
in
New
York
City
over
by
the
witch
on
Greenwood
Park
and
a
fire
truck
came
by
and
she
started
a
fire
truck
I.
Never
because
she
used
to
live
here
and
she
couldn't
believe
it
because
in
New,
York
City,
you
know
they
had
fire
trucks
all
day
long
and
she
was
surprised.
D
L
You
know
I
support.
You
always
thank.
O
You
and,
as
you
may
have
heard
before
and
as
you're
hearing
now.
G
O
I
Thank
you,
rob
good
timing.
I
I'm,
very
pleased
to
see
the
efforts
to
transition
to
more
electric
vehicles.
I
know
that
it
is
a
little
bit
ahead
of
time
before
we
will
be
looking
at
electric
fire
trucks,
but
some
of
the
other
SUV
vehicles
I
removed
that
to
see
that,
could
you
please
share
with
us
the
the
equipment
line
and
some
of
the
program
supplies
also
seem
to
be
run
up
now
hugely,
but
it
is
the
equipment
and
so
I,
don't
know
sure.
O
Well,
there's
a
there's
a
list
here,
so
just
kind
of
going
down
as
briefly
rope
rescue
equipment
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
systems
recently,
so
we've
been
over
the
last
several
budget
years
on
transitioning
the
types
of
systems
we
use,
which
are
much
easier
and
quicker
to
set
up
and
also
uses
less
staff
to
run.
So
since
we
are
at
lean
staff
department,
it
makes
us
more
efficient.
O
You
know
we've
been
trying
to
avoid
a
large
Capital
request
with
radio
Replacements,
but
across
the
county,
all
the
portable
and
mobile
radios
are
aging
out
we
have
put
in
for
Grants,
which
we
haven't
been
successful.
We
did
a
partner
Grant
this
past
year
with
two
other
neighboring
departments
to
try
to
approach
it
that
way.
O
You
know,
base
pieces
break,
we
have
a
supplied
air
respirator
that
we
use
with
confined
space
rescue.
That's
been
failing
a
lot
and
it's
not
a
piece
of
equipment
when
you
have
a
firefighter
that's
down
at
two
or
a
confined
area,
but
you
want
to
be
reliable.
A
O
This
budget
is
something
called
an
e-key
or
an
electronic
key
So.
Currently,
when
we
release
a
key
out
of
that
box,
it's
a
physical
key
that
will
open
any
of
these
boxes.
The
electronic
version
sort
of
looks
like
a
key
fob
and
it
has
three
buttons
on
it
that
have
an
additional
code
that
the
firefighter
would
need
to
put
in.
O
O
So
probably
another
item
of
note
here
is
a
thermal
imaging
cameras,
so
we're
not
in
this
budget
able
to
replace
all
of
them,
but
we
need
to
start
replacing.
Some
technology
has
come
a
long
ways.
Sort
of
the
analogy
that
we
use
in-house
is
our
current
thermal.
Imaging
cameras
are
sort
of
like
a
first
generation
iPhone.
O
It
works
as
a
phone,
but
a
lot
of
the
other
functionality.
Isn't
there
so
the
newer
cameras
you
can
follow
fire
both
has.
You
can
see
victims
much
more
effectively
in
fire
environments,
and
you
know,
would
just
make
us
a
lot
safer
and
more
efficient,
so
starting
to
make
that
transition.
O
So
those
are
some
of
the
highlights
happy
to
answer
any
more
questions
on
equipment
program,
funds
I
think
we've
just
spent
low
on
those
so
over
time,
socks
and
inventories.
Some
of
that
may
include
some
EMS
products
and
you
know:
there's
certain
EMS
products
consumables
that
we're
using
a
lot
more
in
these
days.
O
I
So
the
request
over
the
mayor's
budget,
just
to
summarize,
is
for
seventy.
Two
thousand
dollars
is
to
replace
a
2008
SUV
with
an
electric
vehicle
that
will
be
used
by
the
fire
prevention
Bureau
and
under
the
category
of
effective,
not
funded,
there
will
be
need
to
replace
three
scan
Vehicles
purchased
in
2008
and
2009
once
we
get
to
the
2024
budget,
so
delaying
the
funding
will
increase
the
need
for
additional
funding
in
future
use
foreign.
A
M
That
policy
now
been
abandoned
or
suspended
have
to
be
reverted
to
pre-covered
sponsoring
us.
O
Our
responses
are
trending
upward.
So
if
that
was
your
question
so
pre-covered
we
responded.
Probably
since
5200
calls
I
think
in
2018
or
2019
that
dropped
to
the
45
area
during.
C
O
Covert
years,
part
of
that
was
twofold.
One
is
with
colleges
not
being
here,
our
population,
which
is
slower,
so
there
are
less
people
calling
for
services,
and
we
also
found
that
her
medical
calls
some
people
that
needed
a
call
for
emergency
services
weren't
because
they
were
concerned
about
going
to
the
hospital.
So
I
think
that
affected
things
a
little
bit.
So
at
one
point,
we
had
for
a
short
time
in
the
beginning
of
covet,
adjusted
the
EMS
policy
that
we
were
going
to
yes,
okay,
basically
as
a
course
protection
measure.
O
You
know
we,
as
you
all
know.
In
the
beginning
of
Ovid,
we
were
making
contingency
plans
for
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
run
the
fire
department
with
you
know,
25
50
of
our
staff
out.
So
we
did
many
things
at
the
time,
including
adjusting
our
EMS
calls,
we've
adjusted
most
of
them
back
to
what
we
were
doing
before.
O
There
was
a
few
that
were
always
is
in
discussion
as
to
whether
or
not
it
was
effective
use
of
our
resources,
probably
about
20
percent
of
the
time
we're
responding
to
multiple
calls
at
the
same
time.
So
if
you
have
especially
engine
one,
the
downtown
unit
and
an
EMS,
call
that
you
know
our
data
shows
were
not
providing
much
care
or
being
of
much
assistance,
and
it
puts
out
of
play
for
another
EMS
call
that
could
be
more
serious
or
Firefall.
O
You
know
we
made
a
few
adjustments
upwards
and
we're
always
looking
at
internally
and
in
discussions
with
you
know
the
county
and
our
partners
about
which
calls
to
respond
to
and
how
to
categorize
them
and
how
to
make
sure
that
we're
sending
the
right
resources
to
the
right
Paul
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
our
resources
wisely.
O
M
And
in
terms
of
other
types
of
emergency
calls
not
EMS
related.
How
would
you
describe
those
response
levels?
Are
we
trending
back
to
pre-covered
rates
as
well?
We.
O
Are
I
mean
a
lot
of
that's
based
on
population,
so
you
know
with
especially
with
college
and
session.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
fire
alarms,
there's
different
times
of
the
year,
the
beginning
of
the
year
when
people
are
learning
how
to
use
cooking
appliances
and
washers
and
dryers
our
calls
tend
to
Trend
upwards.
O
You
know,
plus
people
are
just
learning
the
nuances
of
their
new
homes,
and
you
know
so
and
as
you
can
see,
and
as
you
hear
outside
of
City
Hall,
you
know
I
think
it's
growing
and
you
know
with
each
new
building.
That's
that's
put
in
and
each
new
Resident
that
moves
in
you
know,
there's
an
additional
person
that
you
know
could
potentially
meet
our
services
so
as
the
population
continues
to
grow,
so
do
our
calls
for
services.
M
I
know
that
the
fire
department
does
inspections
with
regards
to
not
only
buildings
and
new
construction,
as
you
mentioned,
but
also
food
trucks
and
so
on.
Is
your
department
adequately
staffed
or
able
to
provide
timely
inspections
again,
given
all
of
the
development
that
is
going
on
sure.
O
At
times
we
are
taxed,
especially
our
fire
marshal
because
she
specializes
in
new
construction,
looking
at
Spring
Bush
systems
and
fire
alarm
systems
and
doing
a
lot
of
those
approval
processes.
So
there's
certain
times
of
the
year
that
you
know
she's
a
very
busy
individual
right
now
our
staffing
levels
are
full.
O
We
have
the
Fire
Marshals
and
three
firefighters
and
Fire
Prevention.
There
have
been
times
when
our
staffing
gets
low,
that
we
have
to
pull
someone
out
of
fire
prevention
to
keep
the
line
operations
going.
So
right
now
we're
good
on
you
know,
but
that's
something
that
you
know.
As
you
said,
there's
building
and
construction
continues
that
we'll
always
have
to
take
a
look
at
to
see
if
they
have
that
group
adequately.
Staff.
N
Thanks
back
to
the
the
question
about
the
mayor's
budget,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand,
but
you
said
you
have
three
vehicles
that
are
aging.
This
would
be
one
replacing
one
of
those
three
vehicles
for
this
request:
correct
and
and
you're
asking
you're
giving
us
a
heads
up
that
it
looks
like
all
three
are
going
to
need
to
be
done
this
year
and
next
year.
O
So
you
know-
and
these
are
used
by
fire
prevention,
but
they're
also
used,
as
you
know,
support
vehicles
for
a
lot
of
other
activities,
so
they're
being
used
day
and
night
for
a
lot
of
different
things,
and
if
we
have
large
incidents
or
different
events
going
on
than
you
know,
these
vehicles
are
staffed
with
personnel
and
responding
in
emergency
room
as
well.
So,
okay,
thanks.
C
O
Traditionally,
we
have
been
able
to
keep
our
small
Vehicles
longer
than
say
the
PD,
but
from
a
traditional
budgeting
model
we
tried
to
keep
assets
that
are,
you
know,
as
small
Vehicles
get
more
expensive,
the
number
gets
higher,
but
because
sometimes
depending
on
mileage,
small
Vehicles
might
need
to
be
replaced
before
say
like
a
10-year
period
between
traditionally
with
that
as
an
operational
versus
a
capital
expense.
I
do
know
that
the
last
vehicle
that
is
on
order
now,
our
first
electric
vehicle
I,
did
get
moved
to
the
capital
budget.
O
You
know
that's
certainly
the
opportunity
of
the
pleasure
of
this.
You
know,
but
that's
been
the
logic
that
we've
used
in
the
past.
A
O
What
is
the
election
vehicle
right?
It's
a
Ford,
F-150
Lightning,
so
yeah
we're
we're
looking
forward
to
it.
It's
opportunity
to
proof
of
concept.
You
know
I
mean
make
sure
that
electric
vehicles
can
work
for
for
our
operation
and
give
our
personal
an
opportunity
to
to
work
with
them.
P
Hey
Julie
canaris
I
can
thank
you
so
much.
It's
I'm
always
up
for
a
good
adventure
and
it's
very
fun
to
be
on
this
side
of
the
webinar
for
a
change.
P
Sure
I
mean
I'm
happy
just
to
kind
of
dig
in
and
give
you
the
highlights
of
this
budget
so
I.
You
know,
I'll
start
with
the
Staffing
changes,
as
you
all
know,
I'll
be
retired
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
and
so
the
Staffing
structure
of
the
department
will
look
very
different
moving
forward.
There
will
be
a
director
of
the
department
of
public
information
and
Technology.
P
There
will
be
a
deputy
city
clerk,
which
is
also
the
person
that
you
funded
to
support
the
commissions
when
they
come
back
online
and
there
will
be
an
event
permit
specialist
position
added
to
handle
all
of
the
city's
special
events,
request
to
use
Parks
request,
a
film
on
city,
property,
food
trucks
and
more
that
position
seems
to
grow
daily
and
to
do
that,
we
well
obviously
that
was
an
increase
to
our
budget.
P
But
it's
offset
by
my
salary,
the
difference
in
my
salary,
as
I'll
say
a
seasoned
employee
to
coming
into
a
step,
one
employee
and
also
we'll
be
unfunding
a
vacant
position
that
we
have
right
now
desktop
specialist
in
the
I.T
side
of
the
house.
P
So
I
just
want
to
caution
you
that
at
some
point
that
position
may
need
to
be
filled.
We
don't
think
that
it's
critical
to
our
2023
operations,
so
we're
fine
with
the
unfunding
of
that
position,
but
I
just
want
to
caution
as
the
organization
grows
and
departmental
needs
grow.
That
position
may
need
to
be
filled
in
the
future,
so
that
starts
off
with
the
funding
or
with
the
Staffing
changes
that
we'll
have
in
2023.
P
I
will
tell
you
in
2022.
We
had
quite
a
large
surprise
in
February,
when
our
insurance
carrier
basically
said
that
we
would
not
qualify
for
cyber
security
Insurance
unless
we
put
a
lot
of
new
programs
in
place,
so
we
had
to
scramble.
We
had
a
very
short
window
of
time
to
put
those
into
place
in
order
to
secure
that
cyber
security
policy,
which
we
were
successful
in
doing,
but
in
doing
so
it
cost
us
approximately
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
there
will
be
ongoing
costs
associated
with
that.
P
So
you'll
see
that
reflected
in
my
budget
line
under
I
call
it
my
maintenance,
renewals,
it's
equipment,
maintenance
line,
also
I'm
so
excited
I,
know.
You've
heard
little
Snippets
here
and
there
about
open
gov,
which
is
a
new,
pretty
much
organization-wide
software
program
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
developing
right
now.
So
we
had
a
capital
project
for
the
initial
purchase
of
that
software,
but
there
will
be
ongoing
annual
subscription
costs
to
keep
that
up.
We
have
requested
that
that
be
placed
in
our
budget.
P
It
is
has
been
funded
through
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
at
almost
ninety
two
thousand
dollars
a
year,
so
that
line
did
grow
substantially
and
the
reason
that
that
it
did
was
because
of
software
licenses,
the
open,
gov,
renewals
and
all
of
the
cyber
security
elements
that
we've
had
to
put
in
place
that
have
ongoing
annual
costs
to
that.
P
I
am
very
pleased
with
the
budget
that
the
mayor
put
forth
for
my
department.
It's
definitely
something
that
we
can
work
with.
We
appreciate
the
flexibility
we're
not
always
able
to
fit
into
the
mayor's
budget.
Guidelines
of
you
know
a
two
percent
increase
or
four
percent
increase,
because
our
budget
supports
the
entire
organization.
It
doesn't
just
support
our
department,
so,
as
the
the
organization
grows,
our
budget
needs
to
grow
as
well.
P
A
I
P
No
I
think
I've
already
told
everybody
how
wonderful
I
am
I,
don't
need,
but
I
do
I
do
want
to
thank
all
of
you,
so
very
much
I
was
incredibly
touched
and
and
a
taken
off
guard
and
surprised
by
the
whole
thing
I've
had
been
so
focused
on
the
technical
issues
that
we
were
having
with
the
meeting
that
I
I
was
really
blown
away.
So
I.
Thank
you
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart.
For
that
I.
P
Kind
of
in
two
ways:
I
I
didn't
realize
that
once
you
announce
a
date
that
you
become
extraordinarily
busy
because
everybody
wants
a
little
piece
of
you
before
you
leave,
but
also
I,
you
know
I
consider
City
Hall,
my
home
I
consider
the
people
that
I've
worked
with
for
33
years
as
my
family,
and
it
has
been
such
a
difficult
decision
for
me
to
move
on
into
retirement,
but
I
know
I
do
so
leaving
the
organization
in
great
hands
are
are
are
so
many
wonderful
people
that
work
for
the
city
of
Ithaca
and
I.
P
You
know
we've
been
so
blessed
to
have
them.
We
have
never
really
had
the
resources
since
I,
since
I
became
city
clerk,
I
will
say:
I
was
Deputy
city
clerk
before
I
was
city,
clerk
and
I.
Think
the
first
year
in
1989
that
I
joined
the
city
we
had
one
of
our
first
budget
cuts.
We
lost
a
position
out
of
our
office
and
for
it
just
seemed
three
decades.
P
Afterwards,
we
have
been
faced
with
really
challenging
budgets
and,
as
every
department
has-
and
it
really
is
through
the
Ingenuity
of
city
employees
that
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
so
much
as
an
organization
and
I.
You
know
I
always
say
what
an
honor
it
is
for
me
to
serve
the
the
residents
of
the
city.
I.
Think
the
residents
of
the
city
should
be
equally
as
honored
to
have
this
amazing
Workforce
working
on
their
behalf.
P
P
Well,
you're
very
welcome
you've,
never
seen
some
of
our
budgets,
so
I
am
I,
am
truly
ecstatic
and
I.
Think
and
I
apologize
I
missed
my
boss's
deadline
of
getting
my
budget
narrative
in
to
you,
so
she
could
get
it
to
to
all
of
you,
but
the
the
one,
little
piece
of
advice,
I,
think
that
I
would
leave
a
recommendation
for
the
future
is
just
keeping
the
recognition
that
our
our
budget
does
support
the
entire
organization,
and
sometimes
we
do
have
Mission
critical
equipment
failures.
P
We
don't
right
now.
We
don't
really
have
the
flexibility
to
find
funds
within
our
existing
budget
and
having
to
come
to
council
and
and
request
funding,
and
all
that
takes
time
unless
there's
emergency
meetings
or
or
whatever
I
would
very
much
like
to
see
a
capital
fund
fund
established
similar
to
what
the
Department
of
Public
Works
has
for
emergency
facilities,
repairs
just
to
have
a
level.
You
know
like
a
safety
net
that
should
we
have
a
critical
equipment,
failure
or
something
that
we
have
something
we
can
reach
out
to.
We
were
very
fortunate.
P
This
year
in
February,
we
had
an
open
Capital
project
that
we
were
able
to
to
utilize
to
replace
some
equipment
that
needed
to
that
was
needed
to
facilitate
all
the
cyber
security
changes
we
had
to
put
in
place.
That's
not
always
the
case,
so
I
I
just
for
future
Food,
For,
Thought
I,
hope
that
you
will
consider
establishing
a
reserve
account
or
something
that
we
can
draw
funds
on.
P
If
something
bad
should
happen-
and
you
know
we're
so
dependent
on
technology
now
in
the
city
that
if
something
goes
down
it
pretty
much
takes
us
to
our
knees.