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Discussion of the Reimagining Public Safety Report
A
But
of
course
any
members
of
the
public
are
welcome
to
view
this
meeting
on
the
city's
youtube.
It
also
will
be
recorded
so
that
people
can
view
it
at
a
later
date.
If
need
be.
I
will
say
that,
at
the
end
of
this
roughly
one
hour,
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
council
will
adjourn
for
an
executive
session.
A
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
executive
order
203
that
we've
referenced
in
the
past,
that
was
in
response
to
the
executive
order,
was
the
governor's
call
in
june.
2020
common
council
responded
with
a
resolution,
and
I
will
read
from
that
resolution
that
was
passed
by
common
council
at
the
end
of
march
2020,
it's
actually
april
2021.
A
The
dps,
the
department
will
include
a
unit
of
unarmed
first
responders
to
respond
to
certain
non-violent
call
types.
It
will
also
contain
a
unit
whose
members
will
qualify
in
all
respects
under
new
york.
State
law,
as
police
officers
with
said
unit,
therefore
led
by
someone
who
shall
qualify
in
all
respects
under
new
york
state
law.
As
chief
of
police,
the
department
may
be
overseen
by
a
civilian
director
with
relevant
emergency
response
and
administrative
experience.
A
The
task
force
shall
submit
its
recommendations,
including
budget
estimates
naming
conventions
and
a
timeline
for
public
review
and
comment.
I
read
that
because
that
was
the
resolution
council
passed.
That
then
was
the
charge
that
was
given
to
the
working
group
task
force
that
was
convened
in
april
2021.
A
Although
we're
focusing
a
great
deal
of
our
attention
on
the
first
recommendation,
that
is,
to
create
a
new
department,
there
are
other
recommendations
where
there
has
been
progress
made.
Some
of
that
progress
has
been
the
result
of
the
community
justice
center.
So,
for
example,
developing
a
comprehensive
community
healing
plan
is
one
of
those
recommendations,
as
is
developing
a
public
safety
community
dashboard,
developing
comprehensive
and
inclusive
and
innovative
recruitment
strategy.
That
too,
that
work
has
been
ongoing
and
a
number
of
these
recommendations.
A
Many
asking
for
more
information
and,
as
I've
said
to
neighbors
friends
and
colleagues
on
council,
there
still
is
more
work
to
be
done
quite
a
bit
of
work
to
be
done
and
more
information
which
we're
making
every
effort
to
gather
and
to
provide
not
only
to
counsel
so
that
we
can
make
our
best
decisions
going
forward,
but
to
the
public
as
well.
So
we
will
be
meeting
for
about
an
hour.
I
will
open
it
up
for
comments
and
questions.
A
I
I
know
that
our
discussion
last
week
was
abbreviated
because
it
was
one
part
of
our
very
full
agenda,
very
full
agenda
last
wednesday,
but
an
important
part.
So
we've
received
a
number
of
of
questions
from
the
public
and
one.
Let
me
throw
out
one
of
the
questions
that
we
have
received
from
the
public,
and
this
has
to
do
with
the
unarmed
first
responders
and
by
new
york
state
law.
A
B
Yeah,
thanks
laura.
I
know
we're
going
to
have
lots
of
conversation
and
discussion,
but
I
thought
I
would
like
to
start
with
a
question
about
our
charge
and
also
link
it
to
a
timeline
so-
and
this
may
be
as
much
for
our
benefit,
but
it
probably
also
for
the
public's
benefit,
to
understand
what
it
is.
We
are
working
towards
and
perhaps
on
what
timeline
and
again
I
apologize
we're
having
a
roof
put
on
our
house,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
noisy
when
my
mic
is
open.
A
We
had
an
initial,
albeit
brief,
discussion
at
last
wednesday's
common
council
meeting.
We
have
tonight's
committee
of
the
whole
and
in
may,
at
our
common
council
meeting
there
will
again
be
a
discussion.
We
will
be
moving
toward
a
decision
to
accept
or
endorse
the
working
group's
report.
I
imagine
we
may
be
looking
at
a
decision
on
that
at
our
may
meeting.
A
If
there
are
decisions
made
by
this
council
that
require
a
referendum
in
november
2022,
we
would
need
to
have
that
information
gathered
and
put
in
a
form
that
can
be
prepared
as
a
local
law
moving
to
referendum
no
later
than
july.
So
that's
to
my
mind,
that's
that's
a
heavy
lift,
but
that
is
the
timeline
at
least
right
now.
Ari
did
I
capture
that
accurately?
B
Yes,
thank
you.
It
did
help,
perhaps
maybe,
as
we
discussed
tonight,
we'll
have
more
opportunity
to
to
give
some
definition
to
what
it
means
to
accept
or
endorse
recommendations,
because
I
think
what
you're
implying
also
is
that
we
have
some
control
over
how
those
recommendations
might
be
shaped
differently.
B
A
A
It
involved
community
members
common
council
members,
you
yourself
rob
were
on
a
subcommittee
ducks
and
george
and
myself
were
on
the
working
group.
Travis
brooks
a
county
legislator
was
on
the
the
working
group.
There
were
three,
I
think
the
police
officers
on
the
the
working
group,
so
we
have
had
very
full
discussions
leading
to
the
report
and
those
discussions
were
community-based
community
members
as
well
as
those
I've
just
named.
A
A
So
those
are
the
options.
We
could
also
reject
the
report
which
I'm
not
expecting.
We
would
do.
We
may
also
vote
to
adopt
report
in
whole
part
and
that
formally
commits
common
council
to
implementing
its
recommendations.
So
those
are
the
decisions
that
we
will
have
before
us.
I
imagine
those
decisions
on
the
report
itself
will
come
at
our
may
may
meeting.
C
A
I
will
jump
in.
Unless
did
I
see
someone
else's
hand?
Go
up
again?
I
I
will
refer
to
the
resolution
and
the
executive
order
that
asks
us
to
develop
a
plan
to
address
the
particular
needs
of
the
communities
served
by
such
police
agency
and
promote
community
engagement,
to
foster
trust
fairness
and
legitimacy
and
to
address
any
racial
bias
and
disproportionate
policing
of
communities
of
color
with
a
directive
to
respond
to
the
governor
by
april
1,
which
we
did
do
in
the
interviews
that
were
held.
D
D
What
has
been
the
way
that
leasing
has
happened
throughout
our
state,
which
is
protecting
property
and
not
protecting
people
as
much
right.
So
that's
one
thing:
that's
one
thing:
in
our
own
community
we
have
seen
some
culture
of
policing
the
ones
who
were
not
engaged
in
the
community
that
they
believe,
which
means
they
aren't
getting
to
know
their
community.
They
are
only
protecting
their
property.
D
E
Yeah,
no,
I
I
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
said
by
elder
person.
Brown
and
I
think
a
a
conversation
on
the
culture
is
is
important
and
what
not?
I
worry,
that
we
definitely
need
to
have
a
space
for
discussion
of
culture
and
whatnot,
but
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
talking
about.
Structural
issues
of
of
of
resources
is
empowered
and
whatnot,
so
we
can
do
a
lot
to
make
the
culture
more
equitable
and
more
cooperative
between
the
police
and
our
communities.
E
But
I
think
we
need
to
put
a
greater
priority
on
making
sure
that
the
communities
that
are
already
engaging
in
instances
of
public
safety,
the
organizations
and
members
of
our
community
who
are
already
engaging
in
different
types
of
public
safety
beyond
what
the
police
do,
have
have
adequate
resources
and
funding.
And
I
know
that
aspects
of
that
are
covered
in
and
further
recommendations
by
by
this
working
group.
E
And-
and
so
I
think
that,
while
it's
important
to
have
the
conversational
culture,
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
make
space
and
and
have
a
dialogue
on
talking
about
structural
allocation
of
resources
and
making
sure
that
the
reimagining
aspects
of
public
safety
in
different
departments
and
sectors
gets
gets.
The
strength
and
support
that
it
needs
to
be
successful.
F
Yeah,
if
I,
if
I
could-
I
just
I
think,
george
brought
up
a
really
great
point,
and
I
would
agree
that
I've
heard
that
you
know
some
of
the
restructuring
that
is
being
proposed
is
specifically
targeting
to
try
to
change
the
culture
within
ipd,
and
you
know,
I
think
we
can
definitely
make
some
improvements
with
some
added
resources.
That
would
be
helpful.
F
You
know,
but
I
think
some
more
specific
conversations
around
the
culture
in
ipd
and
what
what
we
want
to
change,
what
the
goals
we
need
to
change
are
would
be
helpful
because
we
we
need
to
focus
on
the
city
of
ithaca.
That's
this
is
our
department.
This
department
belongs
to
you,
the
council
and
the
community,
and
so
within
ipd
I
mean
I
can
tell
tell
you.
I
share
letters
pretty
frequently
that
we
get
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
a
lot
of
people
that
are
minoritized.
F
H
You
know
I
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
on
a
nationwide
level,
you
know
20
of
the
january.
Six
rioters
were
former
military
and
law
enforcement
personnel
right.
So
we
have
this
background
or
this
element,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
in
our
structure,
whether
or
not
we
go
through
it
through
our
hiring
process,
our
screening
process
continued
training
and
perhaps
psychological
evaluation
of
our
officers.
H
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
identify
any
ties
to
white
supremacists
or
violent
extremism
and
racism
and
make
sure
that
they
have
no
place
within
our
department.
I
would
like
to
see
implementation
of
screening
before
officers
are
drawn
in.
We
do
ask
you
know
about
prior
drug
use
or
prior
activities.
We
should
be
asking.
Have
you
in
the
past
or
are
you
now
associated
with
a
militia
or
a
white
supremacist
group?
You
know?
Have
you
had
that
background?
Is
this
something
we
need
to
be
looking
into
this?
I
don't.
A
A
I
J
Thanks
eric
yeah,
I
think
this
is
a
productive
conversation
around
culture.
I
I
want
to
just
hit
on
something
that
I
mentioned
last
week,
because
I
think
george
has
obviously
produced
a
fruitful
discussion
here
about
you
know.
Culture
is
a
an
oftentimes
challenging
thing
to
measure,
and
I
think
what
this
really
does
is
underscore
the
need
for
this
body
to
clearly
articulate
as
we
move
forward
what
we
expect.
J
Culture
change
to
look
like
with
clearly
articulated
qualitative
and
quantitative
indicators
again
at
the
outset,
so
that,
as
we
move
forward
with
whatever
we
adopt
we're
able
to
use
that
as
a
baseline
measure
for
the
effectiveness
of
what
we're
going
to
propose,
because
I
think
you
know
I
think,
george,
you
know
you
raise
a
really
really
important
point
of.
We
need
to
know
what
successful
change
looks
like
and
thank
you
eric
for
letting
me
hop
in.
I
I
So
my
own
personal
experience
in
ithaca-
and
I
just
said
this
publicly-
I've
had
you
know
very
positive
interactions
with
our
with
our
police.
Here
I
think,
though,
in
some
ways
I
can
see
where
I
would
have
been
more
more
privileged
in
those
interactions,
but
that's
been
my
experience
and
I've
shared
that,
but
I
can't
ignore.
I
I
The
joke
was
about
the
way
he
had
treated
a
civilian
which
included
the
civilian
going
down
the
stairs
I'll.
Tell
you
why
I
broke
my
heart,
because
that
was
a
someone
who,
in
my
mind,
would
be
the
ideal.
You
know
that
we'd
want
on
the
force,
but
the
thing
that
got
me
about
that
is
right.
So
the
joke
was
said
when
the
person
didn't
know
they
were
being
recorded,
but
the
reaction
of
whoever
was
around
there
wasn't
a
hey,
that's
not
cool,
that's
not
what
we
do.
That's
not
what
we're
about.
I
So
that
speaks
to
culture
right,
the
culture
that
you
have,
especially
the
systems
that
you
know
feed
that
the
beliefs
you
have
the
symbols
you
accept.
Why
did
it
take?
You
know
the
the
everything
that
a
followed
executive
order
203
it
wasn't
until
then
that
we
took
a
symbol.
The
words
knock
knock
off
the
swap
bus.
I
I
My
own
personal
experiences
are
one
thing,
but
when
I
accepted
this
role,
I
have
to
look
at
all
of
those
and
even
just
as
a
community
member
and
and
say
I
can
understand
why
council
voted
the
way
it
did
in
april
of
2021
and
wanted
to
look
for
a
way
that
structure
can
truly
prioritize
those
communities
that
the
executive
order
was
telling
us
to
look
at
and
at
the
same
time
and
by
doing
so
raise
public
safety.
For
all.
I
A
Ending,
thank
you
very
much
thanks.
Thank
you.
I'm
also,
mindful
of
time
and
george,
you
said
that
you
had
two
questions.
This
is
an
important
and
central
issue
for
us
to
be
discussing
and
at
the
same
time
there
are
other
questions
and
other
issues.
So
george,
did
you
have
a
second
question
related
to
the
report?
I
I
would.
C
C
I
I
do
I
just
like
to
follow
up
on
this
first
question.
Very
briefly,
I
I
really
appreciate
everybody's
comments.
I
mean
that
that's
what
this
is
all
about
and
eric.
I
particularly
value
what
you
just
said,
and
I
will
say
that
in
my
pretty
broad-based
discussions
with
officers
at
ipd,
the
incident
you
described
really
ticked
a
lot
of
them
off
too
and
genuinely,
and
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
really
encouraged
by
the
group
of
young
officers
we
have
and
up
through
the
sergeant
level.
C
A
A
K
Right
so
there
were
four
subcommittees
and
the
budget
subcommittee
waited
for
all
of
the
other
subcommittees
to
staff
in
equipment
and
technology
data
research
prior
to
putting
the
budget
together,
and
this
is
still
a
recommended
budget.
It's
a
recommendation,
so
we
gathered
all
of
that
information
and
then
were
able
to
put
forth
the
budget
of
the
1.15
million
investment
into
this
initiative,
and
knowing
that
this
is
the
foundation
and
the
recommendations,
as
as
we
stated
even
from
the
budget
subcommittee
that
this
will
probably
within
the
first
year
or
several
budget
cycles.
K
This
will
be
carried
out.
It
has
the
personnel
as
well
as
equipment
and
training,
and
it
has
has
yeah.
The
training
is
detailed
and
the
equipment
too.
So
yes-
and
I-
and
I
I
really
wanted
to
interject
about
the
culture
which
is
custom
and
as
a
working
group,
we
eric-
and
I
as
well
as
some
of
our
technical
advisors,
had
met
with
the
unhoused
community.
K
They
were
not
object
objecting
to
police,
but
they
said
how
the
police,
the
train
in
it
that's
required
for
the
police
and
how
they
approached
them
that
needed
to
change,
and
that
was
addressed
in
executive
order,
203
about
disproportionate
communities,
ensuring
that
we
look
for
public
safety
for
all.
Hence
these
recommendations.
L
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
what
we're
sort
of
steering
towards
is
trying
to
find
an
understanding
of
how
each
recommendation
addresses
real
culture
concerns
that
exist.
Now
that
we
seek
to
change
and
can
we
have
reasonable
faith
that
that
specific
change
will
deliver
the
culture
change
we
seek?
So
I
you
know
I
kind
of
would
put
that
question
back
to
karen
and
to
eric
you
know,
can
you
go
down
and
you
know
how
does
one
of
these
changes
correct,
that
stairwell
conversation
and
that
culture?
K
So
we
shouldn't
negate
that
in
this
whole
discussion-
and
we
should
always
remember
the
data
that
we
gathered
as
a
result
of
this,
so
even
in
training,
how
do
we
hold
ipd,
as
well
as
the
overall
department
of
community
safety?
How
do
we
hold
them
accountable
for
the
training
that
they've
taken?
What
training
do
they
take?
What
training
is
mandatory?
We
outlined
in
this
report
a
list
of
training
suggestions
that
we
have
have
as
recommendations.
A
L
A
A
There
are
a
number
of
those
that
we
still
need
to
do
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
call
delineation
and
there
are
a
number
of
those
where
co-response
or
it
depends
on
the
the
situation
and
the
circumstances.
But
those
are
ways
in
which
culture
can
change.
So
you
know,
I
think
george
was
asking
about
cars
and
uniforms
and
I
think
george's
concern
was
about
the
budgetary
implications
of
having
to
redesign
uniforms
and
vehicles
and-
and
that
may
be
a
valid
question,
and
yet
that
too
is
related
to
culture.
I
If
I
may,
I
mean,
let's
really,
I
think
the
focus
right
culture
is
part
of
this
conversation,
but
I,
the
the
the
the
focus
was
to
center.
The
experiences
of
the
city's
marginalized
and
vulnerable
populations
was
to
focus
police
resources
on
crime,
solving
and
prevention.
My
apologies,
I
I
don't
know
if
he
agreed
with
him
or
not,
but
he
had
something
to
say
and
and
and
to
add.
I
You
know
a
new
unit
right
of
unarmed
responders
to
better
serve
to
better
serve
our
community
and
reduce
contact
with
the
criminal
justice
system
with
the
justice
system,
so
the
other,
the
other
piece
to
that
so
does
does
this?
Does
this
structure
deliver
on?
That,
I
think
is
the
is
is
what
the
focus
should
be
on
the
it
is
not
a
magic
bullet.
It
is
not
a
panacea
for
all.
It's
not
pretending
to
be
with
civilian
oversight
through
the
commissioner
you're
already
beginning
to
center.
I
I
I
A
E
Yeah,
so
I
have
two
points,
one
regarding
the
conversation
regarding
culture
and
one
regarding
the
budget.
I
know
that
we're
trying
to
move
along
here,
but
I
think
these
are
all
important
in
terms
of
culture.
I
really
resonate
with
what
with
robert
and
eric
have
mentioned.
I
appreciate
eric's
testimony
and
I
appreciate
robert's
commentary
on
what
on
articulating
specifically
what
the
culture
are
ought
to
look
like.
E
If
you
will,
I
don't
really
subscribe
to
that
to
that
theory
of
how
things
operate,
but
all
it
takes
is
a
couple
of
bad
actors
to
set
the
whole
thing
back,
because
they'll
show
that
there
are
no
consequences
for
violating
that
culture
shift,
and
so
we
need
to,
I
think,
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
shift
in
culture.
We
need
to
really
articulate
what
the
enforcement
mechanisms
of
that
culture
shift.
Look
like.
So
that's
my
first
point,
the
second
one
in
regards
to
the
budget.
E
E
Especially
if
we're
talking
about
the
division
of
community
solutions,
it's
going
to
be
moving
on
taking
on
a
third
of
the
responsibilities
of
of
of
call
delineation.
For
instance,
we
haven't
had
a
conversation.
What
funding
allocations?
Look
like,
I
know
we're
all
right,
we're
always
talking
about
the
limited
resources
the
city
have,
and
so
not
talking
about
a
big
chunk
of
what
reimagining
public
safety
is
and
what
their
budget
looks.
E
A
D
A
A
H
H
So
in
in
conversation
with
mary
or
sayo,
and
we
were
looking
at
the
job
description
for
the
chief
of
police.
It
describes
that
the
a
qualified
candidate
would
have
a
priority
on
quality
of
life
issues
and
mary
interrupted
us,
and
she
said
you
know
what
do
you
mean
by
that?
And
and
well
we're
talking
about
noise?
We're
talking
about
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we
face
here
in
ithaca
mental
health?
We
want
to
be
able
to
be
responsive
to
that
and
she
said
in
in
policing
parlance
when
you
prioritize
quality
of
life.
H
H
Was
there
a
an
evaluation
or
process
to
look
at
utilizing,
lead
the
outreach
workers
looking
at
other
models
or
building
on
what
we
already
have,
because
we
do
have
leed
in
place?
It
is
in
its
first
years
it
is
not
fully
fleshed
out.
The
way
I
understand
lead
is
to
actually
dovetail
with
a
lot
of
what
is
being
recommended
here.
H
A
I'll
give
a
quick
response
to
that.
Travis
brooks,
as
I
mentioned,
who
oversees
the
lead
program
was
part
of
the
working
group.
We
certainly
did
include
discussions.
I
will
say
we
don't
have
specific
position,
descriptions
that
wasn't
part
of
our
charge
for
the
unarmed
unit,
but
most
certainly
we
were
looking
at
at
other
models.
Yes,
I
do
want
to.
H
A
A
How
to
say
more
more
than
that
it
most
definitely
was
part
of
the
working
groups.
Discussion,
yeah,
rob
robert.
I
see
that
your
hand
is
up
and
then
I'll
move
to
jeffrey
and
george
and
let
me
just
say
we
will
be
continuing
these
discussions.
Clearly,
this
is
a
topic
that
we
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
working
through
so
robert.
J
I
just
have
a
clarifying
procedural
question
with
the
assumption
that
the
report
moves
forward.
Let's
just
assume
that
it
moves
forward
as
it
stands
will
council
is:
is
it
possible
for
council
to
still
have
at
present
right?
They
we
have
the
ability
to
weigh
in
on
a
mayor's
or
a
city
manager's
decision
to
appoint
a
new
chief
of
police.
Would
we
still
have
that
authorizing
authority
as
council?
If
this
recommendation
were
to
forward,
I
I've
heard
conflicting
things,
and
I
just
want
to
get
clarity
on
that.
M
J
J
This
is
this
is
an
issue
that
came
up
quite
a
bit
in
the
city
manager
discussion
when
you
all
voted
on
this
last
year
and
council's
ability
to
weigh
in
especially
on
a
particularly
you
know,
important
role
such
as
the
chief
of
police.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
know
you
know
if
we
were
to
adopt
this
report
or
we
signing
away
our
ability
to
vote
on
who
a
chief
of
police
is.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
retain
that
ability?
M
A
legally
speaking
council
can
absolutely
retain
that
authority.
It's
a
question
of
the
choices
that
council
makes
and
the
way
the
legislation
is
drafted.
So
I
think
that's
the
short
legal
answer.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
wants
to
speak
to
what
the
report
was
recommending
around
that,
but
in
terms
of
council's
ability,
absolutely
council
can
retain
the
ability
to
to
have
approval
authority
over
the
chief.
A
A
L
Yeah,
I
guess
I'm
coming
back
to
phoebe's
remarks
moments
ago
and
I
sort
of
just
want
to
make
a
something
of
an
appeal
here:
we've
all
lived
through.
You
know
it's
just
been
a
horrible
epic
that
we've
lived
through
watching
george
floyd,
get
murdered
all
that
all
the
incidents
of
police
violence.
Yes
nationally
and
statewide.
A
G
Thank
you,
laura
I'm
gonna,
go
sorry
to.
I
know
we're
bouncing
around
tops
lock,
but
I
just
to
go
back
to
robert's
question
like
does
the
report
allow
council
to
retain
the
authority
to
appoint
the
commissioner
of
the
department,
the
director,
the
division
of
police
and
the
director
of
the
division
of
community
solutions,
or
are
we
saying
council
has
the
authority
to
appoint
the
commissioner
and
the
commissioner
takes
the
two
directors
I'm
I'm
confused
about
which
of
those
two?
The
report
is
suggesting.
G
M
G
A
K
K
D
N
N
N
So
I
would
just
advise
to
make
certain
that
we
don't
rush
into
this.
We
do
it
right.
Everybody
has
a
say
and
the
whole
community
should
have
a
say
in
the
matter.
The
business
owners,
the
residents,
the
voters,
even
you
know,
going
back
to.
We
have
two
colleges
here:
cornell
university
at
the
college.
The
parents
who
are
sending
their
kids
here
should
have
a
whole
have
a
say
in
the
matter.
So
I'll
just
you
know
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
reading
through
the
report.
N
If
you're
gonna
adopt
this,
I
didn't
notice
a
couple
things
from
the
matrix
group
that
jumped
out
that
were
not
totally
accurate,
and
that
was
on
things
on
my
page
54.
Where
they
talk
about
2019
calls
for
service.
There
were
12
217
calls
generated
when,
in
reality,
based
on
our
spillman
system,
the
calls,
but
maybe
even
initiated
by
our
own
officers.
The
actual
calls
for
that
year
was
20
01.
N
N
A
A
A
J
Like
I,
I
understand,
we
don't
need
a
motion
extent
from
from
that
pursuit
perspective
right,
but
I
just
think
laura
to
your
point
earlier
about
the
time.
I'm
sorry
answering
rob's
question
about
the
timeline.
I
do
think
if
we're
expected
to
vote
on
something
next
month
with
the
number
of
hands
still
up
and
possible
question
follow-ups.
I
would
like
to
continue
this
discussion.
Okay,.
A
And-
and
I
will
just
say
it
is
not
certain
that
we
will
have
a
voting
item
in
may,
so
that
is
not
an
absolute
decision.
It's
one
possibility,
so
there
will
not
be
a
rush
to
to
move
to
voting
items.
So
let
me
just
reassure
council
colleagues
and
the
public
of
that.
So
let's
agree
well.
I
will
propose
that
we
have
this
discussion
go
no
later
than
7
30
and
then
turn
to
our
follow-up
executive
session.
C
Testimonials
that
they
got
from
people
of
color
about
how
they're
treated
by
certain
police
officers-
and
I
take
that
very
seriously-
and
I
believe
it
and
that's
one
of
the
main
things
we
want
to
change
period-
how
we
do
that,
I'm
not
sure.
Yet
we
don't
want
everything
to
be
the
same,
but
we
want
to
go
forward
in
a
good
way.
C
I
will
say
that
we
as
a
group
need
to
reach
out
to
people
who
are
disadvantaged
or
targeted.
If
you
will
by
police,
we
need
to
reach
out
to
communities
there's
several
in
the
first
ward
that
feel
like
they
don't
have
enough
police
protection,
and
I
would
encourage
all
of
us
to
get
to
know
our
police
officers.
C
A
E
Yeah
I
mean
a
lot
has
been
said,
and
I've
noticed
that,
throughout
this
discussion,
we've
bounced
around
from
different
points
talking
about
the
budget
talking
about
culture,
talking
about
how
to
articulate
it,
how
to
enforce
it.
You
know
the
whole
history
of
policing
and
and
and
what
public
safety
means
and
there's
been
so
much.
E
That
said,
and
we
haven't
landed
really
on
a
thorough
conversation
on
one
specific
conflict
point,
and
this
is
supposed
to
be
the
first
recommendation,
the
first
plank
of
reimagining
public
safety,
and
I
know
actually
mayor
you
mentioned
this
a
couple
minutes
ago.
I
I
can't
see
how
we
are,
how
it's
realistic
for
us
to
move
forward
after
having
a
genuine
drawn
out
and
methodical
conversation
to
get
it
right
and
to
get
it
right
properly
by
the
time
of
may
or
even
june.
It
seems
like.
E
E
You
know
these
deadlines,
and
and
and
especially
with
every
discussion
we
have,
it
seems
like
we're
running
out
of
time
and
trying
to
push
for
discussions
and
there's
just
so
much
to
cover
here,
and
you
know
we
have
to
do
something
we
can't
just
you
know,
like
you
know,
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater,
but
we've
been
all
these
communities.
My
community
and
a
lot
of
these
communities
of
color
have
been
told
this
historically
for
decades
and
decades
and
decades.
That
change
is
slow.
E
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
jorge.
I
have
a
comment.
I'm
just
gonna
say
I
I
agree
completely.
I
will
be
very
transparent.
I
find
this
whole
process.
Incredibly,
frustrating
I
feel
90
of
what
is
being
recommended
could
have
been
done
automatically
without
you
know
doing
all
of
this.
We
had
an
opportunity
when
mayor
resigned,
to
redesign
and
and
and
redefine
the
job
description
of
chief
of
police,
we
could
have
incorporated
all
these
qualities
in
then
and
had
a
chief
of
police
that
was
already
initiating
a
lot
of
these
programs.
H
We
could
have
included,
lead
and
all
the
the
other
existing
programs
and
and
built
up
training
funding
and
so
on
anyway.
So,
yes,
let's
do
it
there's
90
of
this.
We
agree
on
it's
like
the
subtle
differences,
but
so-
and
I
I
wanted
to
mention,
since
we
have
an
opportunity
I
did
want
to
ask-
there
is
a
recommendation
with
regards
to
adopting
adopting
the
pittman
model
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
find
curious
about.
H
A
K
Thank
you
laura
and
everyone
else
going
back
to
jorge's
point
about
the
division
of
police
budget.
When
we
took
on
this
role,
the
budget
process
started
in
the
fall
for
20
20
2022,
so
the
budget
was
already
in
place
for
by
october
or
november
of
2021
for
ipd's
budget,
so
we
weren't
tampering
or
touching
ipd's
budget
whatsoever.
K
K
So
there
was
some
discussion
about
leed,
but
not
too
much,
and
we
did
look
at
other
alternatives
and
even
we
discuss
alternatives
that
happen
throughout
the
pandemic
too,
for
call
types
so
and
and
lead
is
focusing
on
the
root
causes
related
to
crimes,
root,
causes
of
crimes
related
to
poverty,
addiction
and
mental
health
crisis.
We
looked
at
call
types
beyond
that.
As
we
went
through
this
whole
deliberation
and
jeffrey,
I
would
have
to
say
that
we
all
didn't
live
through
george
floyd
murder.
K
So
we
have
to.
We
can't
generalize
that
whatsoever
and
that's
why
executive
order
203
was
in
place
because
of
that
and
not
that
we
were
there.
Some
may
have
the
privilege
of
looking
at
it
from
the
television
and
there's
some
of
us
that
have
lived
through
it
for
hundreds
of
years
and
continue,
and
this
is
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
something
different
about
this.
K
So,
let's
always
focus
on
individuals
and
focus
on
individuals
from
all,
because
what
this
recommendation
is
ensuring
is
that
public
safety
for
all
citizens,
not
just
one
set
subsection
but
for
all
citizens,
but
knowing
that
this
is
based
on
executive
order.
203
and
as
we
looked
at
the
different
calls
call
types.
It
definitely
was
not
a
simple
process.
K
When
we
looked
at
the
call
types
and
and
had
the
involvement
of
the
department
of
emergency
response,
we
were
going
to
do
this
as
a
subcommittee,
but
we
decided
that
the
working
group
as
a
whole
needs
to
look
at
this
call
type,
and
we
hope
that
we
definitely
have
a
better
understanding
and
knowing
that
there
is
still
some
work
that
needs
to
be
done
and
and
to
ensure
clarification
of
the
call
types
and
and
defining
terms
around
it
and
the
matrix
report.
Yes,
it
has
12
217
community
generated
calls
for
services.
K
It
we
didn't
specify
all
calls,
but
community
generated
calls
for
services,
and
the
data
that
was
received
for
the
matrix
report
is
the
data
that
was
given
to
matrix
by
ipd
and,
as
we
developed
this
as
a
working
group,
it
was
for
yes
to
address
the
executive
order.
203
address
our
marginalized
community,
lgbt
community
community,
where
we
may
have
members
of
the
community
who
are
disabled
too,
but
we
also
heard
from
ipd
and
yes,
our
working
group
comprised
of
16
individuals
representing
different
groups,
but
different
groups
of
people
that
were
representing
the
whole
community.
K
We
heard
from
ipd
about
staffing
and
we've
stated
in
here
the
unarmed
offices.
That's
why
a
recommendation
we
heard
from
ipd
about
the
scheduling,
that's
by
the
pitman
model,
to
look
at
the
future
scheduling
too
of
the
offices
to
make
sure
that
they
can
have
time
off
or
schedule
time
off
in
advance,
and
we
heard
from
ipd
around
wellness
and
that's
addressed
here
as
well
as
that's
addressed
in
another
recommendation.