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Sorry
others
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favor
unanimous.
Thank
you
comments
from
the
public.
We
have
one
person
here
from
the
Republic.
Yes,.
E
Hello,
my
name
is
Zach
Lin
and
I
live
here
in
cities.
A
few
blocks
away.
There
have
been
a
number
of
incidents
since
the
last
meeting
of
this
board.
E
Machete
woolly
man
was
at
Walmart
brand
new
customers
and
then
ended
up
being
pursued
into
the
jungle.
It
was
six
agency
Manhunt
and
it
was
ultimately
unsuccessful.
He
was
arrested
the
next
day
after
just
simply
returning
to
Walmart
with
the
machetes,
so
there's
been
also
a
number
of
shots
fired.
Incidents
there
have
been
press
release
is
about
just
people
shooting
each
other,
apparently
Vehicles,
no
physical
evidence
recovered
or
or
any
injuries
reported
and.
E
Taken
into
custody
at
all
these,
after
snatching
Windows
with
a
knife
and
trying
to
slash,
tires.
A
Question
is
essentially
what
is
happening.
E
In
Ithaca
right
now,
the
totality
of
these
incidents
I
believe
are
clearly
part
of
a
larger
pattern,
and
so
my
question,
I
guess,
is
to
the
chief
and
to
anyone
else
here
who
might
understand.
What's
going
on
what.
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Well,
comments
from
the
public,
as
you
know
that
we
don't
we
don't
have
to
respond
to
and
you
know
I
would
prefer
if
we
have
a
discussion
of
the
board
and
we
would
like
to
teach,
you
know
gather
some
statistics.
We
could
ask
him
to
do
that,
but
off
the
cuff,
no
I,
don't
think
it's
really
a
good
idea
to
ask
the
chief
to
tell
you
what
he
gets
going
on.
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Don't
have
a
whole
lot,
it
has
been
a
busy
summer.
I
think
you
know
more
people
are
well.
There
are
challenges
through
the
family
Staffing
and
in
relation
to
the
call
to
research
we're
getting
many
of
which
are
serious.
G
We
are
in
the
very
early
stages
to
begin
our
processing
from
hiring
our
civil
service
exam
sign
up
phase
closed.
We
had
144
people
sign
up
for
the
exam
which
is
a
test.
G
Yes,
that's
well
I
think
last
year,
86
sign
up,
so
that's
a
huge
increase,
but
we
hope
to
find
enough
qualified
candidates
and
that
number
to
fill
all
of
our
vacancies,
that
certainly
our
goal,
but
it
that
process
ending
people,
especially
short
Amendment,
as
it's
always
just
for
challenges-
sure
it's
problems
of
that
we're
just
starting
to
work
through
that
the
test
itself
won't
be
until
September,
9th
and
then
the
state
will
probably
take
three-ish
amounts
to
give
us
results.
G
You
are
also
trying
to
do
an
awards
recognition
ceremony
for
some
good
things.
Officers
have
done
we'd
like
to
try
and
do
that.
This
fall.
We
haven't
done
one
in
a
couple
of
years
and
I'll
certainly
make
that.
G
The
tourniquet
to
a
citizen
who
had
the
traumatic
injury,
but
it
was
blood
loss
so
they're
being
recognizing
that
the
quantum
which
is.
G
That's
really
the
biggest
seasons
over
me.
That's
taken
a
lot
of
my
administrative
level.
H
G
So
we're
asked
to
submit
like
a
zero
percent
increase
and
a
two
percent
increase
I'll.
Do
it
and
then
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
process
that
goes
from
there.
So.
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The
only
thing
that
I
would
be
interested
in
with
regard
to
over
Target
is
the
the
metrics
or
Matrix
that
they're
using
to
assess,
which
is
the
priority,
because
sometimes
that's
that
you
know
puts
you
out
of
the
running
depending
on
what
they've
got
it
decided
to
use
as
the
Criterion
to
that's
the
over
Target
press.
G
Yeah
I'm
obviously
not
intimately
familiar
with
this,
yet
we
have
an
accountant,
that's
great!
It's
been
through
this
for
decades,.
G
And
through
it
so
I
know
there
is:
where
are
we
starting
right
now
can
be
very
different?
Exactly
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
I
can't
really
give
any
other
details
other
than
we've
kind
of
submitted
the
initial
things
and
for
our
first
meeting
I
think
it's
I.
Mine
is
next
week
where
we
have
birth
money
or
any
feedback,
and
that's
outside
of
our
capital
projects.
Requests
for
vehicles
which
I
haven't
heard
back
yet,
but
I
think
we're
very
soon.
D
All
right,
but
you
I
mean,
maybe
you
don't
recall
this
board-
can
weigh
in
on
your
budget.
That's
one
of
the
things
that's
in
the
city,
Charter,
so
keeping
us
abreast
or
giving
us
details
telling
us
how
things
are
going
is
going
to
be
very
important
for
us
to
come
in,
and
you
know
weigh
in
on
the
budget
on
the
behalf
of
the
department,
yeah.
G
We
appreciate
that
I'm,
hoping
that
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we're
talking
about
and
I'm
reading
next
week
is
going
to
be
agreeable.
Both
sides
I
think
it
would
be
I
mean
it's
Common,
Sense
stuff,
but
I
will
certainly
keep
everyone
surprised,
probably
via
email.
G
Yeah,
so
we
to
answer
your
question
I,
we
did
submit
it
over
to
our
response
to
make
sure
we
had
all
everything
is
spelled
and
then
there's
some
other
equipment
type
purchases
that
we
put
in
for
just
because
of
you
know.
Cohort's
inflation.
G
You
know
some
of
the
staff
can
get
inventors
I.E,
like
axon
body
cameras,
there's
not
very
many
vendors
and
they
kind
of
stuff
their
own
prices.
G
Stick
to
the
two
or
three
percent
increase
every
year,
which
isn't
fair,
but
that's
what
we
have
to
deal
with
and
things
of
that
nature.
We've
been
a
budget
request
for
some
protective
equipment.
Honestly
panels
for
officers
that
expire
and
foreign.
I
G
So
I
guess
like
when
I
got
hired
to
read
stuff
at
the
time.
So,
okay,
there
were
so
many
applicants.
The
city
has
two
lists
like
if
you
live
in
the
city
and
then
private
down
the
city,
there's
a
departmental
us
like
we
don't
have
a
luxury
anymore,
but
typically
for
every
10
candidates
that
we
have.
We
can
typically
find
a
candidate,
so
at
144
we
hope
to
hope
to
find
14.
But
I
also
say
that
last
year
we
had
86
and
we
only
have
two.
So
are
they
still
with
us?
G
Those
two
they
are.
The
one
is
at
the
tail
end
of
field
training
and
will
be
released
in
the
next
six
weeks.
The
other
is
at
the
tail
end
of
the
academy,
and
we
have
a
field
training
in
like
late
September,
okay,.
A
G
A
G
Not
sure
if
everyone's
aware
of
this
or
not
but
ipd
has
its
own
dashboard,
then
we
have
on
the
city
website.
We've
had
that
after
winning
for
months
I,
don't
I
want
to
say
the
better
part
of
the
year.
G
No
reason
it
was
kind
of
work,
but
make
some
modification
like
we
did
or
outside
of
ipd
I,
don't
know
hour
what
the
CJC
is
trying
to
do
and
it
might
duplicate
or
I'm
not
sure
how
that
really
looks
like
and
that's
going
to
be
for
every
agency,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
it's
great
that
sometimes
I
think
it's
better,
that
we
just
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
modify
and
change
and
do
what
we
need
to
do
or
sitting
apartment.
G
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G
G
You
know
I
think
that
one
thing
the
public
I'm
not
sure
how
you
educate
the
public
on
it,
but
the
policing
that
we
do
here
in
Ithaca
might
look
really
different
from
another
agency
just
by
the
sheer
environment
right.
This
is
an
urban
environment
where
the
interactions
we
have
people
can
be
much
more
frequent
about
nature
or
a
different
volume.
We
might
experience
different
calls
right,
like
in
the
county.
They
probably
do
have
a
lot
more
taxes
right
dealing
with
the
highways.
G
You
know
a
lot
more
cardio,
for
example,
I
know
they
might
get
a
lot
of
traffic
complaints
from
different
neighborhoods
throughout
the
county.
Where
you
know
some
walking,
things
might
be
different.
So
if
you
look
across
the
board
like
well
ipd
this
and
the
sheriffs,
is
that-
and
you
know,
ability
does
this-
that
might
just
be
based
on
like
the
environment
and
so
I.
Don't
know
that
everyone
understands
or
would
you
know
have
that
context?
G
H
A
D
For
it's
Rick's
birthday.
F
Oh,
the
only
thing
I
have
to
report
on
is
recent
planning
and
economic
development
committee
meeting
in
each
day
discussed
our
draft
on
those
task
force
plan
which
called
for
a
green
zone
where
camping
would
be
allowed
and
actually
encouraged,
Red
Zone,
where
it
would
not
be
allowed.
A
F
For
zones
which
were
kind
of
willy-nilly,
you
could
camp
there
unless
you
cause
problems,
and
one
of
the
topics
is
whether
or
not
that
would
be
used
in
asking
people
to
leave
the
red
zone
and.
F
So
I'm
not
on
that
committee,
so
I
don't
have
a
vote
on
that
committee,
but
I
did
attend
the
meeting.
Other
council
member,
who
was
on
the
task
force,
attended
the
meeting
who's,
not
on
that
committee.
That
was
Jorge
teaching,
Dean
and
the
other
member
of
the
task
force.
Cynthia
Brock
was
out
of
town
and
could
not.
She
is
a
voting
member
of
that
committee.
F
So
what
happened
was
I
mean
I,
don't
know
some
people
probably
watched
it.
There
was
a
lot
of
public
comment.
F
F
On
both
sides
of
mates,
enough
affiliated
with
tennis,
Union
spoke
and
we're
concerned
about
the
city,
criminalizing
homelessness
and
they
didn't
want
us
to
do
anything
basically
yeah
except
provide
housing,
and
there
were
a
couple
Outreach
workers
there
and
there's
a
couple
homeless
people
there.
F
So
after
the
public
comment,
the
meeting
proceeded,
and
it
was
a
speed
I
think
generally,
that
that
if
we
have
a
green
zone
which
would
be
basically
behind
Home
Depot
or
no
Walmart
in
the
southwest
on
city
property,
where
there
are
a
number
of
encampments
now,
if
we
did
it
there,
we
would
want
to
have
some
amenities
that
makes
being
homeless
a
little
more
comfortable.
F
So
we're
talking
about
bringing
in
a
trailer
with
showers,
Hot
and
Hot
running
water
and
the
trailer
with
toilets
as
a
star
and
the
other
things
that
almost
people
have
asked
for.
That
I
think
are
important.
Are
it's
for
garbage
that
would
be
removed
on
a
regular
basis
and
storage
units
that
could
be
locked
and
and
so
people's
stuff
could
be
protected.
F
Purchased
or
we
do
have
money
for
the
trailers,
but
those
trailers
have
not
been
leased
or
bought
yet
more
staffed,
because
somebody
has
to
watch
over
them
and
I,
don't
know.
If
I
said
this
last
meeting
we
had
but
he's
as
he
stands
now.
The
trailers
would
not
be
left
on
site
they'd,
be
removed
every
day
taken
down
to
DPW,
because
there's
a
sphere
expressed
by
the
Outreach
workers
that
if
we
just
left
them
there
they'd
get
trapped
both
trailers
to
us
if
they
think
they're
going
to
be
destroyed.
F
So
we
actually
made
progress.
I.
Think
in
that
aspect
of
the
plan
I
make
product
and
and
I
think
everybody
agreed
up
from
Ted
on
this.
F
F
Then,
and
then
the
word
enforcement
was
being
as
not
as
big
a
problem,
as
some
people
thought
it
was,
and
actually
the
Continuum
of
Care,
which
is
one
of
the
organizations
that
is
more
sympathetic
to
the
homeless
population.
They
they
were
fine
with
the
word
enforcement
too,
because
it's
clear,
it's
understandable
and
they
pointed
out
I
think,
would
see
that
practice
should
be
easy
to
understand
and
straightforward.
F
But
we
had
proposed
was
that
all
the
city,
land
north
of
mates,
would
be
a
red
zone
and
that
the
area
that's
been
cleared
and
somewhat
cleaned
up
and
fenced
off,
but
remember,
there's
a
little
sliver
of
city
property
on
the
east
side
of
that
little
water,
inlet
that
comes
in
from
Six
Mile
Creek
towards
towards
the
Eagles
Club
behind
carpet,
warehouse
and
Agway.
It's
a
little
sliver
of
city
property
that
is
currently
occupied
by
encampments
and
tweeting,
that
property
and
the
railroad
tracks
is
railroad
property.
F
There
is
no
access
by
vehicle
to
that
city,
property
and
access
to
that
railroad
properties,
problematic
and,
and
both
those
areas
which
are
basically
one
area,
are
heavily
encamped
upon
right
now
and
I.
Think
Chief
Schwartz
would
say
that
it's
it's
one
of
the
problematic
economists.
F
Area,
well
it
it
was
proposed
as
the
red
area,
okay
and
and,
of
course,
on
the
west
side
of
that
little
finger
of
water
is
clear.
There
is
nobody
camping
there.
Now
it's
fenced
off
once
in
a
while
somebody's
there
for
a
day
or
two,
but
nobody's
there
permanently.
F
F
Cleared
a
part
of
the
Jungle
and
and
leveled
it
and
put
a
fence
around
it,
and
that's
where
the
spoils
from
the
dredging
of
The
Creeks
is
going
to
go
if
it
ever
happens,
and
so
actually
there
was
quite
a
few
encampments
that
were
removed
from
that
area
at
that
time.
F
But
between
that
which
is
fenced
off
and
nates.
There's
a
large
encampment
area,
that's
occupied
now
directly
behind
Lowe's,
and
that
area
has
been
problematic
for
Lowe's
there's
a
lot
of
theft
at
Lowe's
and
for
the
people
at
nates,
because
people
go
from
that.
Encampment
and
they'll
walk
North
through
nates
and
sometimes
pick
up
souvenirs
along
the
way
and
or
have
conflicts
with
the
people
that
make
detonates.
F
So
some
of
the
things
that
people
from
Nate
said
which
I
I
thought
was
valid
and
very
unfortunate,
was
that
they
don't
have
their
friends
over
anymore
to
their
house.
They
don't
have
Barbecues
in
their
yards
and
because
it's
just
unpleasant
because
they
don't
never
patient
they're
going
to
run
into
so
anyway.
A
F
Okay,
but
it's.
F
Problem
is,
if
you
make
too
many
places,
a
red
zone,
so
many
homeless
people
that
you
would
squeeze
them
into
an
area
too.
Small,
that's
my
opinion
and
you
know
like
everybody
else,
not
everybody
gets
along,
and
so,
if
you
get
people
to
pack
together
likelihood
of
violent
arguments
increases.
F
That's
all
speculation,
but
I
think
it's
valid
speculation.
Southwest
area
that
isn't
is
the
green
zone.
South
of
the
watering
facility
is
quite
large.
F
F
F
F
F
But
as
it
was
left,
there
is
no
plan
to
enforce
move
on
a
Red
Zone
anywhere
in
City,
so
you
could
say-
and
it's
not
over
yet
because
that's
just
one
committee
and
it's
got
to
go
to
County
Council
as
a
whole,
but
if
it
stays
as
it
stands,
in
my
opinion,
we're
back
to
square
one,
except
that
we've
made
this
green
zone.
F
Although
it's
not
and
and
the
other
thing
about
that
green
zone
is,
it
would
have
easier
access
for
the
fire
department,
the
police
department,
the
social
services
agencies
they
could
get
to
that
area.
And
if
there's
most
of
the
people
were
there,
they
could
serve
those
people
more
efficiently.
F
But
that's
where
we're
at.
A
I
Red
zone
that
you
guys
plan
on
having
would
be
absolutely
no
camping.
If
you
do
it
right,
because
we
did
this
with
the
protest,
we
did
the
red,
yellow,
remember:
okay,
y'all
did
that
please
and
the
red
was
absolutely
no.
You
can't
do
this
period
where
you
get
arrested
for
that
and
we
had
the
yellow
and
then
we
had
green
was
okay.
It.
A
F
To
make
clear
that
we
were
not
criminalizing
homies
that
the
first
step,
the
first
tour
to
recess
over
an
extended
period
of
time,
would
be
for
outreach
workers
to
talk
to
people
and
say,
look
there's
a
better
place
for
you
to
stay.
You
can't
stay
here
and
and
put
that
way,
and
then,
if
that
failed,
after
several
attempts.
F
Then
the
police
would
come
in
and
and
pretty
much
do
the
same
thing
like
urge
people
to
move
without
threatening
them
or
being
bad
guys,
and
we
have
several
officers
who
have
good
relationships
with
people
in
the
jungle
and
so,
but
that
would
be
you
know,
stepping
it
up
a
little
bit
because
police
officer
are
police
officers
and
then,
if,
after
some
more
cajoling,
nothing
happens
they
still
wouldn't.
A
F
To
discouraged
them
right,
yeah,
the
goal
is
to
have
people
move
without
anybody
getting
a
ticket
or
having
to
go
to
court
right
and-
and
it's
actually
been
done
in
the
past
when,
when
people
had
to
move
out
of
the
dewatering
zone,
that
it
wasn't
easy
to
convince
everybody
to
leave,
but
eventually
everybody
was
convinced
to
leave
yes
and
the
only
time
the
cops
were
involved
is
to
my
knowledge
and
I
I.
Wasn't
there
was
the
last
person
who
just
wouldn't
move
and
then
the
cops
came
in
with
with
the
BW
and
conditioned
to
move.
I
D
D
D
She's
trying
to
try
that
is,
the
community
police
board,
worked
with
ipd
and
City
Administration.
We
just
handed
you
that
document,
because
the
red,
yellow
and
greens
out
and
basically
what
you
do
is
they're
all
it's
all
the
city
land
and
you
decide
which
behaviors
are
going
to
be
acceptable
on
city
property,.
D
And,
what's
she's
suggesting
is
do
the
same
kind
of
thing
with
city
property,
if
you're
camping
on
city
property,
ask
for
an
example
and
I'm
not
suggesting
this
is
a
good
idea
but
I'm
trying
to
articulate
what
she
was
trying
to
give
you
is
that
the
green
zone
would
be
you
can
camp
here,
but
you
can't
have
a
flamethrowers.
You
can't
have
chainsaws
chasing
people
whatever
the
behaviors
are,
that
you
want
to
save
it
or
no
go
and
the
yellow
zone
is.
F
F
I
D
Like
I'm,
really
sorry
that
you
all
spend
all
that
time
and
put
all
that
energy
yeah
and
somebody
is
not
listening
to
you.
So
we
submitted
our
points
to
Common
Council.
And
what
else
can
we
do
to
try
to
help
out
with
this
situation,
because
the
current
Red
Zone
that's
occupied,
that
little
sliver
and
the.
D
F
I,
don't
know
if
that's
true,
you
know
it
if
somebody.
D
D
J
Today,
I
couldn't
even
when
I
saw
the
last
movie
I
couldn't
get
a
clear
understanding
as
to
why
folks
didn't
want
the
Red
Zone
do.
F
I
think
several
members
of
council
are
fine
with
having
a
red
zone
as
long
as
it's
not
as
long
as
it's
the
enforcement
of
of
emptying
those
areas
is
not
Draconian.
It's
it's,
for
example,
one
thing
we
have
to
do.
If
we
want
people
to
move,
we
have
to
help
them
move.
F
People
have
a
lot
of
stuff,
whether
we
think
it's
valuable
or
not.
They
think
it's
valuable
and
in
the
past,
Carmen
gidi
and
his
helpers
have
helped
move
people,
and-
and
so
you
can't
just
say
you
have
to
get
out
of
here
and
we'll
be
back.
F
F
I
think
there's
a
group
of
people
in
this
town
who
have
decided
that
people
should
be
able
to
Camp
wherever
they
want
and
the
ending
other
than
that
is.
F
F
F
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
it's
a
done
deal,
but
it
was
very
disheartening
to
see
all
this
work
which
was
open-ended.
We
were
looking
for
new
ideas
and
how
to
make
it
go
farther,
but.
F
More
than
just
a
simple
reason,
these
two
big
there's
two
big
committees,
one's
planning
committee,
Administration-
each-
has
five
members
of
counsel.
So
this
to
go
to
full
Council
would
take
three
a
three
to
two
ball,
or
at
least
three
three
members
Cynthia
Brock
was
not
at
that
meeting.
She
would
have
voted
for
him.
F
It
was
unclear
how
many
votes
would
go
either
way.
I
don't
have
a
vote.
Mr
defending
didn't,
have
a
vote.
There's
four
people
there
so
either
way,
unless
it
was
a
three
to
one
majority,
it
probably
wouldn't
left
that
committee.
So
it
it
didn't,
leave
the
committee,
it
wasn't
voted
down,
but
they
asked
staff
to
change
the
language,
and
so
they'll
go
back
to
them.
F
J
Staff,
oh
yeah,
one
of
them
are
watching
right
now,
but
I
just
feel
like
every
day.
That
goes
by
and
you
know
you.
F
Think,
yes,
we
are
we.
We
were
hoping
to
have
something
in
place
in
April,
because
most
homeless
people
take
advantage
of
the
blue
codes
which
allow
people
to
go
into
a
motel
in
cold
weather.
And
so
that's
one
reason.
It
was
easy
to
keep
that
one
area
clean
because
everybody
had
left
for
the
winter,
and
so
our
Hope
was
to
have
the
showers
and
toilets
in
place
in
April,
2023.
F
So
that,
and
and
have
the
red
zones
all
figured
out
didn't
happen.
We
still
don't
have
the
toilets,
we
don't
have
the
showers
now
people
are
talking
about
spring
of
2024.
H
D
D
F
Are
you
I
have
nothing
else?
Unless
you
have
questions,
I'll
try
to
answer
them.
C
J
F
I
have
yet
to
hear
in
any
of
these
discussions,
whether
that
that's
being
discussed
at
all
the
Red
Zone,
said
no
permanent
structures,
no
Hardware
structures,
I
mean
that
was
part
of
the
guidelines.
So
the
resident
said
you
can't
beat
you
can't
be
there
at
all,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
even
in
the
Amber
Zone,
that
was
a
saying
you
know,
have
a
hard
wall
structures
allowed.
F
Are
you
just?
What
are
you
talking
about?
Sanctioned
housing?
No
he's
talking
about
people
who
put
plywood
tablets
or
something
made
out
of
pallets.
You
know
they
have
more
permanent
I
mean
that
word.
That
was
addressed
in
that
draft
thing
that
you
guys
put
together
originally
as
some
of
the
restrictions
for
coming
designs.
F
F
Health
issues
I'm
helping
people
who
are
addicted
to
drugs
or
if
they
have
sick
or
they
sprain
their
ankle
or
more
Health
oriented
stuff
reach
more
interested
in
the
health,
but
some
not
only
help
with
food
or
water
or
sanitary
equipment,
but
they
actually
will
bring
pallets
and
help
them
build
stuff,
which
is
problematic.
F
H
F
That's
a
good
question:
Johnny
I
guess
you
would
come
to
the
next
meeting
and
ask
that
question.
I.
F
Because
you're
a
respected
member
of
this
community
and
and
they
would
listen
so
what
we
need
is
we
need
I
mean
the
people.
Some
of
the
people
on
that
committee
had
never
heard
anybody
from
mace
and
a
bunch
of
people
from
nice
came,
and
they
go
oh
and
really
thought
of
it.
They
just
think
of
entire
homeless
population
as
being
helpless
victims,
and
some
of
them
are,
but
not
all
of
them
are,
and
it's
a
complex
problem
and
it's
not
getting
any
better.
F
I
G
It's
just
something:
I
really
I
do
have
to
leave
a
little
early
engagement.
Is
there
anything
else,
any
questions
for
me?
Why
about
sorry,
completely
changed
topics
but
started
coming
late
earlier,
but
do
you
know
when's
the
next
community
Arrangement
coming
from
ipd
I?
Do
not.
G
We
are
hoping
to
have
one
in
August
when
things
fell
through
I,
never
asked
you
about
this
last
time.
I
will
touch
base
and
use
the.
F
A
J
A
J
J
Some
of
the
things
we
don't
use
y'all
been
busy
yeah
a
little
busy,
but
I
just
want.
I
H
H
D
D
I'll
talk
to
you
privately
or
I.
Don't
know
we
have
to
talk
about
it.
I
F
D
F
Policy
we're
going
to
discuss
it.
You
know
privilege
of
the
floor
or
whatever
it's
called
it
was
saying
we
can't
respond
to
that.
It's
not
within
our
chart.
G
F
F
F
F
B
A
D
D
D
No,
we
were
thinking
about
having
it
available
to
us
to.
If
we
wanted
to
respond,
we
had
it
available
to
us
right
now,
we're
just
like.
J
F
H
Wants
to
give
me
a
call
and
we'll
talk
about
that
two
of
us.
Well,
they
don't
do
it
right
away
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
back.
H
F
J
G
D
Well,
what
happened,
how
we
got
here
is
that
he
brought
something
up
about
us
weighing
in
on
budget
stuff.
That
was
going
on
for
private
non-for-profit
places
were
asking
for
money
from
common
Council
to
do
programs,
social
programs,
and
he
didn't
like
the
people
who
were
directing
these
programs
because
they
were
anti-police
and
he
wanted
us
to
take
a
position
on
that
and
I
told
him.
I
heard
him,
but
I'd
get
back
to
him
and
then
the
following
month,
I
got
back
to
telling
him
it's
outside
the
charter.
We're
not
we're
not
doing
anything.
F
F
Isn't
part
of
our
Charter
and
yet
on
what
we're
discussing
here
and
talking
about
the
homeless
issue.
G
And
that
certain,
on
the
that's
not
part
of
our
Charter
either
it's
taking.
F
H
F
Clearer,
we
are
with
what
we
are
here
to
do
put
up
those.
G
Guard
rails,
or
whatever
you
want
yeah,
so
I
I
think
you
handled
it.
The
way
that
I
would
have
expected.
D
Well,
I
think
the
jungle
comes
in
there
absolutely
but
sort
of
speeding.
So
the
our
parties
I
mean.
G
That
is,
but
that's
that
that's
for
our
discussion.
I
A
D
B
H
J
J
J
There
might
there'll
be
moments
where
something
that
may
need
to
be
said
might
be
best
said
by
the
regular
Community,
a
member
of
the
that
isn't
a
politician
or
some
sort
of
official
figure
and
so
I.
Obviously,
I
wasn't
aware
of
what
Zach
did
earlier
today,
but
there
might
be
moments
where
I
would
feel
how
inclined
to
be
like
all
right.
That's
enough!
J
D
Okay,
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
the
follow-up
and
the
annual
budget,
and,
if
I
recall
correctly
and
I,
don't
remember
who
was
supposed
to
do
it
we're
supposed
to
find
out?
If
we
have
money
in
this
year's
budget
for
the
community
police
board
or
whether
or
not
it's
in
2024.
D
D
D
Well,
there's
an
association
that
we
would
join,
which
would
allow
us
to
ask
questions
of
the
association
for
like
complex
things
that
we
just
don't.
We
can't
figure
out
how
to
handle
on
our
own.
D
Right
and
24
is
really
where
we
need
it,
because
we
really
want
to
join
the
association
so
that
everybody
here
on
the
board
can
access
all
of
the
information
that
they
have
I
mean.
We've
watched
a
couple
of
Zoom
educational
trainings
already,
and
we
did
talk
about
those
didn't
we
briefly,
because
they
they
really
had
value.
One
of
them
was
us
and
refocusing
our
ability
to
look
at
body.
Cam
information
and
I
got
I,
got
schools
and
I.
Think
everybody
did
you
and
I
talked
about
like.
F
B
Yeah
I
did
have
a
chance
to
look
through
that
and
I
had
a
couple
of
concerns.
There
was
some
compatibility
issues,
meaning
that,
because
this.
B
Thing
that
not
everyone's
going
to
be
able
to
play
nicely
with
it
and
you
use
it
if
they
use
non-microsoft
stuff.
So
I
would
just
be
concerned
that
that
is
one
issue,
and
another
issue
is
that
we
all
have
different
working
Styles
as
well.
Some
people
might
prefer
having
copies
of
case
material
in
physical
form.
Some
might
prefer
digital
form,
so
I
think,
rather
than
rock
the
boat
and
change
the
way
that
we
have
been
doing
things
as
a
board.
We
continue
and
stay.
B
D
Michael,
you
agree
interesting
each
time.
F
A
B
B
For
for
other
folks,
they
they
might
really
love
that
approach,
but
trying
to
find
an
approach
that
would
be
easily
accessible
by
everyone
and
consistent
I
think
is
probably
more
important
for
the.
C
Perhaps
it
makes
sense
too
that
when
you
know
whoever
is
assigned
to
do
the
task
of
the
annual
report
each
year
when
that
process
begins,
that
could
be
something
that
is
utilizing
that
sharing
format
for
so
that
things
like
reports,
you
know
number
of
complaints
and
things
like
that
can
all
be
kind
of
housed
from
the
one
year
so
that
they
can
be
pulled
through
at
least
to
create
that
document,
because
I
know
that
was
a
sticking
point.
Last
time,
yeah.
A
B
B
E
B
B
It's
maintenance,
it's
keeping
things
up
to
date,
creating
documentation
other
sorts
of
things,
and
that
just
seems
like
something
that
the
city
probably
doesn't
have
the
resourcing
for
right
now
or
something
that
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
use
up
our
budget
on,
to
be
able
to
try
and
do
internally,
just
with
board
members
trying
to
manage
something
like
that
and
it
may
not
even
be
good
fit
for
the
city
may
not
feel
comfortable
with
us
doing
that.
Anyways.
C
D
C
J
C
H
F
C
Or
if
they're,
something
that
has
been
held
electronically
since
we've
been
using,
you
know
PDF
versions
of
files,
then
I
would
have
it
that
way
and
I
could
send
it
to
you
or
drop
it
in
the
Microsoft
file
share
and
then
you'd
have
access
to
it.
That
way,.
B
Compatibility
issues
for
people
who
may
not
have
a
Microsoft
account
or
just
have
the
sharing
is
set
up.
It's
difficult
to
have
the
the
client
to
be
able
to
access
to,
to
touch
and
to
do
things.
A
lot
of
the
materials
that
were
sent
out
to
be
able
to
connect,
don't
work
consistently
across
other
operating
systems.
B
A
J
B
A
C
I
mean
the
the
files
exist,
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
to
ask
for
and
then
receive
them
directly
to
your
email.
If
you
want
it
to
be
something
you
can
get
easily
with
whatever
operating
system,
you're
working
with
or
email
account
format.
Anything
like
that
or
you
know
print
it
out
and
leave
it
in
the
first
office.
C
C
B
F
D
J
I
thought
it
was
great,
there's
only
a
couple
things
I've
learned
switched
up
and
there
was
something
else
that
I
I,
just
in
general
separate
that
I
thought
like
all
right.
We
should
probably
address
this
award
separately.
E
F
J
I
in
that
first
time,
TV
is
an
emergency,
basically,
where
it
says
it's:
a
small
change
instead
of
the
into
the
police
department,
the.
D
G
J
J
J
A
J
I
just
put
slash
yeah,
okay
and
on
a
separate
note,
the
at
some
point
I
would
like
to
pursue
having
it
says.
Basically,
a
complexity
filed
in
the
police
department,
the
giac
in
the
city
hall
I'd
like
to
explore
having
all
the
community
centers
in
ithacas
right,
yeah,
South,.
J
Bureau,
what's
the
but
it's
an
alternative
speech,
it
doesn't
really
sense.
My
point
is
I.
Do
want
to
where
the,
where
the
north
side
complex,
basically
yeah
folks
that
kind
of
people
that
like
where
they
kind
of
share
that
same
kind
of
title
in
the
relative
space
to
have
the
same
okay,
so
who's
going
to
collect
them
from
several
places.
Well,
who
collects
them
from
GF
now,
I'm.
C
Yeah,
generally
speaking,
they'll
either
do
an
inter
office
mail
or
they
will
scan
and
send
it
to
the
clerk's
office.
Well,
because
there's
City
organization.
H
J
I
think
the
way
to
avoid
that
is
by
having
some
sort
of
actual
proper
application
process
in
the
same
way
that,
for
example,
what's
their
name,
the
voter
elections,
the
elections
office
Board
of
Elections
office
when
they
select
a
location,
they
have
a
form
you
fill
out.
You
know
your
point,
person
is
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
J
B
If
I
could
just
jump
in
for
a
second
I
think
what
you're
putting
forward
is
a
really
good
idea
to
maybe
have
more
places
where
people
could
participate
or
fill
out
something
if
they
wanted
to,
but
I
think.
The
the
spirit
of
what
this
document
is
trying
to
capture
is:
what
is
the
current
state
right
now?
What
are
we
doing
right
now,
so
that
ipd
understands
right,
because
the
purpose
of
this
document
is
to
help
new
or
maybe
existing
officers
who
are
really
aware
of
us.
B
D
We
put
on
both
business
for
next
month.
The
discussion
regarding
site
score
complaint
filing
look.
B
A
C
Do
that
too
yeah
I
think
it
could
be
the
same
conversation,
because
that
might
be
offering
more
of
what
you're
looking
for
like
if
somebody
were
able
to
be
coached
through
or
if
somebody
were
able
to
take
information
like
at
a
place
like
Oar,
for
example,
where
they
could
say.
Oh
okay,
well,
here's
this
online.
Let's
fill
it
out
together
whatever
and
then
we
would
have
electronic
signatures
available
so
that
people
would
not
have
to
physically
drop
off
or
mail
in
the
form
they
could
be
available
in
hard
copy.
C
Folks
at
Jack
have
this
and
they
say:
here's
the
form
go
ahead
and
fill
it
out
and
then
after
they
do
that
they
can
place
it
in
their
inter
office
mail
so
that
we
then
get
it
because
that'll
go.
You
know
like,
for
example,
if
somebody
has
something
at
City
Hall
that
needs
to
go
to
ipd
or
IFD
or
water
treatment,
they
put
it
into
the
inner
office
mail
and
then
it
gets.
J
H
D
F
D
C
H
A
B
If,
if
a
goal
for
for
this
is
to
give
ipv
an
overview
of
what
is
this,
what
we
do
and
a
snapshot
of
what
we're,
how
we're
currently
doing
it,
I'm
confused
I'm,
wondering
if
some
confusion
may
arise
from
one
E
and
F,
where
there's
new
business
in
Old
business?
They
may
not
necessarily
know
what
that
means
and
I'm
wondering
if
that,
if
other
people
feel
the
same
way
and
maybe
just
consolidate
it
and
then
similar
to
how
executive
session
has
a
parenthetical.
We
just
have
public
facing
cpv
business
and
then
most
sure
hey.
B
This
is
what
that
means.
You
know
kind
of
like
what
we're
doing
now
we're
talking
about
things
that
we
want
to
consider
or
adjust
that's
in
the
in
the
Public's
View
and
then,
when
we're
done
doing
those
things
boom,
then
we
go
to
Executive
session
and
you
explain
what
those
things
are
there
in
the
in
the
parenthetical.
I
I
G
F
Since
I've
been
here
and
and
I
I
miss
the
compliments.
I
B
C
C
That
process
got
kind
of
closed
down
when
Dennis
snare
was
chief.
He
was
always
you
know
he
would
come
to
the
meeting
with
any
internal
compliments
that
they
got
and
then
hand
them
off
to
the
board
or
read
them
out
and
we'd
kind
of
review
them,
and
then
we
had
a
process
for
them
writing
a
letter
to
the
involved,
officers
or
investigators,
or
anybody
and
saying,
on
behalf
of
the
police
board.
We
wanted
to
recognize
or
thank
you
for
these
efforts
that
you've
done
and
then
they
kind
of
you
know
everyone's
gotten
so
taxed.
C
I
think
that
that's
just
kind
of
Fallen
by
the
wayside
I
don't
know
if
anyone
would
want
to
revisit
that
with
the
acting
sheet
for
if
we
I
mean
at
this
point
it
kind
of
feels
like
we're
going
to
give
these
folks
more
stuff.
To
do
you
know,
but
the
the
Complaint
Form
is
a
complaint
or
complement
form.
It's
just
not
often
used
in
that
capacity,
because
most
folks
will
either
email
call
or
write
the
ipd
directly
when
they
have
a
compliment
rather
than
us.
B
A
F
F
Is
it
there
no.
B
I
think
it's
in
the
covered
in
the
executive
session
approval
of
reports
to
be
distributed
to
complainant
ipd
Chiefs,
maybe.
F
F
C
H
D
Know
this
is
this
is
what
we
do.
I
can't
tell
him
that
he
has
to
give
it
to
him
and
I
can't
unilaterally
give
it
to
them
and
I'm
not
willing
to
accept
responsibility
for
most
multiple
officers
being
in
a
report
and
sending
it
to
officers
I'm
not
willing
to
do
that.
So
if
we
have
a
report
that
has
four
or
five
different
officers
engaged
in
some
incident,
I
don't
want
to
be
responsible
for
who
gets
what.
F
B
Another
question
is
the
very
last
paragraph
there
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
need
to
clarify
this,
all
information
provided
to
the
board
is
held
in
strictest
confidence.
Clearly,
there
are
some
things
that
go
into
the
reports
that
are
eventually
you
know,
distributed
and
shared
I'm
just
curious.
If
do
we
need
to
flush
that
out
a
little
bit,
because
that
that
to
me
is
a
little
ambiguous.
F
Was
letting
them
know
this
is
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
You
know,
yeah
the
information
on
that
form
that
they
fill
out
and
anything
from
our
investigation
is
not
public
knowledge
right.
This
is
just
in
this.
Just
basically,
it's
all
stays
Within
or
in
business,
and
that
can
report
it
to
the
department
right
I.
J
J
A
J
B
B
Knowledge
gap
on
my
part,
but
aren't
these
couldn't
these
reports
because
it's
you
know,
city
of
Ithaca,
could
are
they
subject
to
foia
or
anything
like
that
to.
B
F
I
A
B
Be
sure
because
a
lot
of
this
held
in
the
strictest
confidence
and
I
just.
B
And
the
mayor,
but
if
a
copy
of
the
report
is
being
sent
to
the
complainant,
we
can't
necessarily
it's
it's
more
if
the
the
language
here
is
meant
to
cover
the
the
discretion
of
the
board.
I
think
that
that's
fine
but
information
provided
to
the
board
cannot
necessarily
be
guaranteed
to
stay
private,
because
if
that
information
is
put
into
a
report,
that
report
is
given
to
the
complainant.
What's
stopping
the
complaint,
if
we're
going
to
media-
and
just
it's
happened
before
we
don't
care,
okay,
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
B
You
know
what
what
are
we
trying
to
accomplish
by
saying
that
I
give
the
second
sentence
and
I
think
that's
great
annual
confirmation
of
confidentiality
is
required
by
award
members
and
on
file
with
the
city
clerk's
office
I'm
just
curious.
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
first
sentence,
foreign.
J
I,
just
post,
at
least
for
me,
in
my
experience,
dealing
with
some
of
the
officers
I,
feel
like
having
some
sort
of
sentence
like
this.
For
them,
it
puts
up,
puts
us
in
a
position
where
they
can
at
least
be
able
to
trust
our
environment,
because
I
don't
really
right
now,
I,
don't
think
every
officer
knows
who
we
are
performing
to.
Not
every
officer
is
fully
confident.
Don't,
despite
that,
one
thing
that
you
want
to
get
to
be
familiar
with
it:
they
develop
confidence.
J
D
J
H
B
What
I
mean
is
I
I
like
the
second
sentence,
because
it
clearly
demonstrates
our
role
and
where
our
responsibility
starts
with
stops,
but
to
guarantee
control
of
the
information
itself
to
me,
with
my
very
effective
way
of
building
trust
with
ipd.
Assuming
that
much
responsibility
is
saying
like
just,
it
will
be
kept
to
the
strictest
of
confidence.
It's
like
well
yeah
for
our
particular
role
with
things
and
I
think
we
accomplished
that
with
the
second
one
that
I've.
J
J
D
D
F
B
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
audience
of
this,
though,
because
I
think
we
can
all
be
doing
the
right
thing,
but
the
idea
is
putting
forward
a
notion
of
trust
with
officers
who
I
haven't
had
this
experience,
yet
that
there
may
be
officers
who
maybe
are
hesitant
to
reveal
more
than
what
is
you
know
contained
officially
in
you
know,
any
sort
of
reporting
that
they
provide
to
us
and
I.
Just
think
we.
We
have
to
be.
B
B
F
B
F
Because
we
do
write
the
report
with
that
information
that
is
disseminated
so
right.
It's.
G
Not
it's
not
a
guarantee
that
they
won't
be
outed
or
whatever
for.
F
G
Happening
within
that,
because
we're
disseminating
reports
to
do.
H
F
C
Or
at
the
end
of
the
line
about
reports,
there
could
be
an
additional
line
that
says
once
approved
in
executive
session.
Reports
are
disseminated
too
and
then
names
the
people
again
so
that
it's
fresh
on
the
Mind
before
we
mentioned
I,
think
that
would
be
the
confidentiality
just,
so
it's
not
buried
in
the
top.
So
if
you
come
up
again
just
so
we're
just
reiterating
here's
where
they
go.
F
I
C
B
D
There's
one
more
thing
on
the
agenda
which
I
I
think
we
should
pass
on
again
because
it's
after
effects
and
that's
I'm
supposed
to
be
reading
on
the
ground.