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A
432
and
we
do
have
a
quorum,
do
we
have
any
adjustments
aimed
or
amendments
to
the
agenda
as
it
stands?
George
hello,
George,
barring
none,
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
one
which
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
this
meeting,
which
was
the
22nd
of
February
I,
believe
any
comments.
Questions.
A
A
We
have
comments
from
the
public.
We
will
welcome
our
public,
it's
nice
to
see
you
and
George.
Can
you
breathe
now
you're
up
on
the
agenda.
B
I,
don't
have
much
to
say,
are
reimagining
Public
Safety
subcommittee
report
is
I,
think
Finnish.
B
The
last
check
with
the
rest
of
the
committee
of
Britain,
and
as
soon
as
it
really
solidly
approved
I,
will
export
it
to
all
you
all
foreign.
A
A
C
A
C
D
B
Will
depend
on
what
this
community
Justice
Center
wants
to
do
and
what
the
as
yet
hired
Deputy
city
manager
wants
to
do
with
with
the.
B
A
lot
of
things
might
not
happen
this
summer,
but
the
CJC
would
move
on
with
with
Community
healing
and
recommendations
for
hiring
Etc.
So.
D
C
B
C
C
Guess
what
I'm
getting
at
is
we
keep
spending
money
just
spending
and
spending
we're
not
paying
our
city
employees
enough,
but
we
keep
hiring
more
people
and
we
spent
234
000
just
to
count
that
was
the
county.
The
city
spent
209
671
per
Miss
Smiley's
2022
budget
and
the
county
paid
234
977.
That's
added
up
a
lot
of
money
this
year,
2023
just
the
salaries
for
the
center
136.,
the
Justice
Center,
the
community,
just
Center
I'm
talking
about
reimagining
and
how
much
this
is
all
career
management.
C
Now
we're
going
to
hire
a
city
manager,
it
seems
to
keep
spending
money
and
money
and
I
just
got
my
taxes
at
some
point.
It
has
to
somehow
it's
not
balancing.
We
just
keep
spending
and
spending
and
spending
instead
of
trying
to
solve
the
problems
here
in
the
community
locally
and
I.
Guess
that's
one
of
the
things
is
you
I
know
you
say:
there's
been
a
lot
of
local
involvement,
but
for
all
of
2020
and
2021
we
could
not
speed.
C
We
have
everybody
in
the
silence,
so
you
know
it's
a
come
out
of
that
and
then
all
this
change
that
and
we've
all
have
been
traumatized
by
that.
So
it's
just
that
kind
of
thing.
I
wish
we
could
I
know
everybody
wants
to
rush
in
the
room,
but
have
we
gotten
when
I'll
talk
to
Vince
when
he
speaks,
but
have
we
are
they
more
on
board?
I
mean
I,
know
they're
on
board,
but
is
their
morale
getting
better?
That's
a
kind
of
expect.
E
C
C
Mayor
will
not
have
yeah
that
yeah
that
I
guess
that's
why
it's
getting
bad.
You
know
with
the
decrease
in
responsibilities
and
the
hiring
of
somebody
to
take
over
big
job.
Would
they
actually
but
there's
no
Downer?
Would
they
be
assigned
more
different,
maybe
more
community
events
or
more
Community
stuff?
Well,.
B
B
F
B
A
Said
it
for
George
at
this
point
great
thanks,
but
that's.
H
Hello,
so
this
will
be
kind
of
like
a
follow-up
to
you
know
what
I
was
talking
about
last
month,
which
was
I
mentioned.
H
We
had
two
out
of
four
individuals
that
were
in
the
two
different
academies,
and
we
are
now
down
to
one
out
of
the
four
initial
that
started
in
the
first
of
the
year
and
as
well
as
February
positive,
no
I
also
mentioned
last
month
that
you
know
we
were
looking
at
some
people
and
and
I
was
kind
of
doubtful
whether
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
get
them
into
the
room
Academy,
which
starts
Monday
the
27th
of
this
month.
H
Our
recruitment
team
background
investigators,
even
HR,
has
been
working
very
hard
to
try
to
look
at
this
last
poll
of
applicants
that
are
on
our
list,
and
so
we
might
have
an
answer
by
the
end
of
this
week,
we
may
be
able
to
get
up
to
three
possibly
into
the
academy
and
Binghamton
Broome
County
Sheriff
starting
the
27th.
So
that's
that's
a
positive
note.
However,
we're
still
looking
at
estimates
of
potentially
three
members
of
our
department
that
will
be
leaving
this
summer.
H
So
those
are
numbers
basically
from
what
we
had
before
I
even
came
out
of
job
back
in
the
1970s
during
the
Disco
area,
let's
say
Okay
and
compared
to
what
we
had
been
in
the
90s,
where
we
had
over
80
sworn
police
officers
who
were
able
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things
from
walking
Beach
Downtown,
which
you
don't
see
anymore.
The
traffic
enforcement
community,
policing,
neighborhood
oriented
neighborhood
police,
saying
things
of
that
nature.
H
H
But,
like
I
said
last
month,
it's
going
to
be
a
team
effort
to
reverse
the
narrative
that
we
are
in
a
police
department
and
we'll
see
what
happens
other
than
that.
There's
really
not
much
I
can
share
you
at
this
moment
other
than
these
are
just
some
updates
from
last
one.
B
Sure
Vince
people
around
with
injuries
and
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
out
for
a
military
service
or
how
many
officers
are
out
and
unable
to
work
and
how?
How
soon
will
we
get
some
of
those
people
back.
H
We
might
get
some
back
right
now,
there's
breathing
around
between.
H
Let's
say,
administrative
leave
as
well
as
injury,
so
there's
three
there
and
then,
of
course
you
had
parental
leave
that
box,
so
it
should
be
coming
back
sometime
in
April,
but
and
then
we
have
one
person,
that's
right
now,
I
think
in
the
military
investigative
occasionally,
but,
like
I
said,
the
numbers
are
are
not
good.
As
far
as
trying
to
staff
Patrol,
Division
and
like
I
said
last
month.
H
You
know
we
can't
close
from
investigations
and
put
them
back
in
Patrol
because
they
are
tasked
with
handling
a
lot
of
stuff
now,
where
they
have
history
guys
and
propped
our
tree
eyes
prioritize
what
they're
going
to
be
following
up
on
those
are
mostly
felonies.
H
Some
people
get
it
once
they
get
there,
they
realize
it's
not
something
that
yeah
they
want,
and
so
we're,
not
the
only
ones
I
mean
I
had
a
meeting
this
morning.
I'm
talking
to
some
of
my
counterparts
and
other
agencies,
for
you
know
the
state
police,
for
example.
You
know
they're
having
recruitment
struggles
as
well.
It's
a
nationwide
problems.
H
They
don't
get
back
around
some
of
the
local
issues,
it
just
pounds
it,
and
this
makes
it
very
challenging
to
to
attract
and
hire
police
officers
plus
the
six
months
in
the
academy
in
the
field
training
it
takes
a
while,
oh
and
then
with
the
shorty
illegal.
I
Hit
still
no
interest
in
lateral
transfers
so.
I
Do
you
think
it's.
E
H
I,
really
don't
think
it's
a
money
issue
right
now.
This
is
my
personal
opinion.
You
can
probably
up
at
the
30
and
I
think
we'll
still
have
challenges
and
I
think
until
the
narrative
changes
that
their
stability
here
and
perhaps
one
of
the
current
chief
is
hired
and
let's
face
it.
April
1st
this
is
an
April
Fool's,
childhood
I'm
April
1st
will
be
going
in
the
year
three
without
a
permanent
chief.
His
dice
mayor,
left,
I
think
April
1st
is
his
last
day
back
in
2021.,
that's
24.,
it's
only
21.
H
and
it's
also
0.23
will
be
starting
in
year.
Three.
So
again,
it's
it's!
How
you
Market
this
department
and
start
there
and
it
didn't
happen
overnight,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
fixed
overnight
as.
D
John
made
any
discussions
to
the
department
as
to
like
what
his
plans
are.
I
mean.
Obviously,
you
kind
of
giving
folks
a
heads
up
as
to
you
know.
Yes,.
J
Events,
the
people
in
the
community
asking
about
the
police
shortage,
one
of
the
ways
I
used
to
describe
it
I
said
that
foreign.
J
H
Yeah
we
try
to
maintain
four,
but
sometimes
we're
down
to
three
and
some
and
sometimes
that's
what
mandatory
mandating
somebody
to
stay
under
the
12-hour
shift
and
sometimes
up
to
16
hours
and
when
you
constantly
are
doing
that,
it's
really
it
wears
10
after
a
while
and
it
does
affect
morale
but
yeah.
If
you
answer
your
question
three
four
and
like
I
said
you
know
back
when
I
ate
my
Oswald
in
the
1990s.
It
was
not
uncommon
to
have
before
car
meets
we'd.
Have
a
couple
of
downtown
Milwaukee
beats.
H
Maybe
somebody
on
the
west
on
an
extra
car
traffic
car
so
sometimes
we're
running
with
eight,
sometimes
ten
and
a
supervisor,
and
now
we're
lucky.
H
We
have
three
or
four
in
supervisor
her
shift,
and
so
we're
functioning
like
I,
said
in
the
pretty
much
in
the
high
40s
right
now
you
know
so
you
know
the
officers
are
still
out
there
trying
to
do
the
best
they
can,
and
you
know,
like
I
said
last
month,
it's
unfortunate
the
business
Community
suffers
and
the
residents
suffer
because
I
pride
myself
and
we
pride
ourselves
in
providing
quality
service,
and
you
look
at
I'll
use
the
restaurant
analogy.
H
I've
used
that
before
you
go
to
a
restaurant
and
the
wait,
staff
is
very
short,
staffed
heard
and
things
are
running
behind.
You
can
wait
an
hour
to
get
your
food.
It's
like
now.
This
isn't
that
I'm
not
coming
back
and
so
like
I,
said,
didn't
happen
overnight
and
we're
going
to
have
to
it's
going
to
take
a
team
effort
to
to
get
ourselves
out
of
this
and
and
how
we
do
that.
It's
that's
going
to
be
a
big
challenge.
J
So
my
way
of
explaining
that
to
citizens
just
for
anyone
who
cares,
it
seems
the
people
can
latch
on
to
the
number
of
offices
per
shift
rather
than
saying
well,
there's
46
officers
with
these
couple
on
leave
and
what
it
means
is.
There's
four
officers
on
the
shift.
If
that
correct
and
when
people
hear
that
I
think
people
are
quite
shocked,
I
said
well,
I
thought
there
was
supposed
to
be
six
and
I
said.
Well,
maybe
there
is
supposed
to
be
mistakes,
but
that's
not
the
case,
so
that
was
yeah.
It's
a
good
way.
J
H
Like
I
said
we
have
a
four
beat
system,
four
carvings
and
going
back
maybe
a
few
years
ago,
Preferred
Staffing
was
those
four
car
beats
an
extra
Carnival
downtown
pounds,
a
lot
of
meat,
so
six
and
then
supervisor
and
now
we're
down
to
four
and
a
supervisor
and
in
some
cases
it
may
drop
the
three
and
a
supervisor
because
you're
constantly
mandating
over
time,
and
sometimes
you
need
to
have
a
little
flexibility
where
you
can't
get
somebody
to
play
that
one
spot
and
the
other
person's
already
worked
16
hours
and
still
get
dropped
down.
H
H
You
know
it
could
be
in
a
restaurant
place
and
I'll
do
that
option
could
be
tied
up
your
extended
period
of
time
to
have
something
a
little
more
serious
and
what
comes
to
mind
was
I
think
this
was
back
in
January,
where
there
was
an
incident
in
the
city
where
sheriff's
car
got
he's
gone
and
the
person
took
off
and
we
got
tied
up
with
that
and
there's
some
other
crimes
as
well,
and
that
tied
up
a
shift
of
three
officers
and
supervisor
and
and
then
you
have
to
set
these
other
calls
and
it's
up
to
the
supervisor
as
well
as
for
working
with
9-1-1.
H
What
we're
faced
right
now
and
again,
I
go
back
to
my
early
days
when
we
had
kind
of
officers.
If
everybody
showed
up
the
work
they
didn't
take
the
time
up,
he
had
10
officers
on
the
bus,
our
supervisor,
Sergeant
working
and
those
days
the
walking
beats.
Those
days
are,
there
may
be
some
times.
You
do
have
a
lot
of
me
where
we
do
have
five
working
and
we'll
put
the
fifth
person
out
in
the
Commons,
but
we're
not
seeing
that
that
often.
E
B
Depends
is
there
any
been
any
talk
or
consideration
of
instead
of
having
this
same
number
of
officers
on
each
shift,
maybe
having
more
officers
on
like
the
three
to
11
shift
and
fewer
on
the
11
to
7
shift
as
an
example,
yeah.
H
We've
talked
about
that.
You
know
it's
often
involved
the
the
schedule
is
in
the
PBA
labor
contract
labor,
you
know,
and
the
chief's
office
has
under
some
discretion
and
right
now
it's
the
way.
We're
kind
of
looking
at
yeah
311
is
busy.
Maybe
after
three
in
the
morning,
it's
not
so
busy,
but
on
the
flip
side
is,
do
we
want
to
shrink
down
the
11
people
11
p.m.
The
7
A.M
shift
because
they're
pretty
much
on
their
own
versus
you
know
daytime.
If
something
big
happens,
you've
got
investigators
right.
H
You
know
I'm
around
to
be
on
a
date
during
the
daytime.
Sometimes
I
come
in
during
eating
shifts,
so
it's
kind
of
like
you
know
you
got
to
kind
of
play
it
by
here.
Do
we
wanna
really
short
to
night
shift
and
there's
actually
been?
You
know
just
some
talk.
You
know
to
get
to
the
point
where
you
eliminate
a
and
that's
not
a
pleasant
thought
or
something
that
you
know
you
want
to
do,
because
once
you
eliminate
something,
but
certainly
would
you
publish
it?
No,
no,
no
people
are
smart
and
that's
not
something.
H
We
can't
do
so
right
now.
We're
doing
the
best
we
can
to
obviously
maintain
all
three
shifts
and
if
something
bad
really
happens,
we
have.
Fortunately
we
have
Cornell's
helpful
without
the
state
police.
The
sheriff,
there's
Collins
for
something
big,
but
right
now
we're
maintaining
24
7
operations,
and
you
know
that's
really
the
way.
I
think
that's
what
we
should
be
doing,
but
we're
working
under
numbers.
That
is
a
very
much
comparable
to
get
to
the
point
where
it's
like
time,
where
I
grew
up
in
Endicott.
H
Okay,
I
think
they
have
36
horn
right
now
and
their
populations.
Twelve
thousand.
So
you
look
at
the
city
of
Ithaca
what
we
have
and
we're
getting
down
to
the
numbers-
maybe
not
36,
but
we're
in
the
high
40s,
and
it
could
drop
a
little
bit
more.
So
it's
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
challenging!
It's
challenging
and
I
wish
I
had
a
wave,
the
magic
wand
and
say
hey
we're
going
to
be
a
little
higher
15
officers
Morrow
and
have
them
trained
in
six
months,
and
that's
just
not
practical.
H
So
the
short-term
solution
is
to
try
to
attract
laterals
but
again
goes
back
to
marketing
and
the
message.
That's
being
communicated
that
there
is
stability
here
and
maybe
once
a
permanent
Chief
is
hired
and
we
can
start
rebuilding,
then,
maybe
that
the
things
will
change
in
the
positive
direction
can.
A
I
switch
to
office,
yes,
I,
don't
want
to
cut
you
off,
but
I'm
feeling
sick,
okay,
because
it's
awful
for
me
to
hear
how
bad
things
are,
and
please
tell
the
all
of
all
of
them
the
staff
of
the
officers,
everybody
in
that
building
tell
them
that
we're
behind
them.
Please,
but
I
want
to
switch
to
I
was
watching
the
Tompkins
County
public
safety
committee
meeting
the
other
day.
Yes,.
E
A
They're
exploring
and
submitting
a
grant
proposal
for
a
program
called
give
yes,
and
so
it's
gone
involved,
violence,
elimination
and
from
what
I
gathered
when
I
heard
what
they
were
talking
about,
and
then
you
know
I
Googled
myself
to
death.
A
It
sounds
like
a
decent
program
and
you
know
it's
on
the
end
of
probation.
It's
really
trying
to
get
these
persons
out
of
the
gun,
mentality,
getting
them
jobs
and
making
you
know
trying
to
reduce
the
citizen.
A
The
the
question
I
have
is
because
they
said
the
reason
that
the
department,
criminal
justice
division
is
exploring
this
with
Tompkins
County.
Everybody
can't
be
in
this.
You
have
to
be
asked
to
be
in
it
and
so
we've
been
asked,
but
they
indicated
it
was
because
of
the
gun
related
crime
in
the
city.
H
Okay,
I
can
clarify
that
okay,
just
recently
last
week
as
well
as
this
week,
there's
been
some
conversations
with
bcjs
on
that
Grant
no
decisions
have
been
made.
It's
gonna
it's
about
my
level,
although
I
I
do
support
and
I
think
it's
it's
besides.
The
grant.
It's
also
partnering
with
the
sheriff's
department,
VA
and
probation,
and
the
reason
Ithaca
was
identified,
was
based
on
the
gun,
violence
from
2020
and
2021
I
believe
it
was
the
years
they
looked
at
right
and
based
on
that.
H
There
is
money
available
for
that
for
personnel,
as
well
as
technology,
crime,
analysis
and
a
whole
bunch
of
things
correct.
So
we
just
like
I
said
we
just
had
some
conversations
with
bcjs
and
whether
a
decision
to
join
in
on
that
hasn't
been
determined
yet,
and
that
would
be
like.
So
we
just
had
some
conversations,
but
they
do
want
to
get
the
program.
Let's
say
today:
DCJS
wants
to
get
that
program
up
and
running
by
the
summer.
Correct.
A
That's
what
I
understood
the
person
who
has
to
make
the
decision
is
the
acting
Chief.
H
To
sign
off
on
it,
but
obviously
it's
the
mayor
needs
to
be
on
board.
With
that
I'm
like
well
and
so
I
said
we
just
recently
had
some
conversations
with
them.
The
initial
meetings,
foreign,
we
didn't,
have
any
conversation.
We
weren't
in
the
initial
meetings
right,
do
the
scheduling
and
but
since
then,
like
I,
said
I
from
last
week
to
just
this
week,
I've
been
in
touch
with
bcjs
some
kind
of
meeting
with
them
by,
regarding
that.
A
Okay,
could
you
run
that
up
the
flagpole
yeah
and
let
us
know
how
you
make
out,
because
you.
B
Sent
that
to
me,
I
did
and
the
mayor's
back
in
town
and
I'll
talk
to
you
about
it.
A
H
This
is
me
I
think
we
can
work
through
it
and
and
should
make
it
a
priority
to
work
with
our
partners
and
other
agencies,
because
we
are
so
short
staffed,
I'm
looking
at
it
from
a
little
bit
different
perspective
that
for
short
staffing,
we
do
need
to
rely
on
the
Sheriff's,
Department
Probation
and
the
DA's
office
to
try
to
work
on
solving
these
gun
crime
issues
and
the
state's
willing
to
help
us
out
when
I
say
the
state
ecjs
and
there
are
people
in
their
Consultants
or
expert
people
that
can
assist
us
I.
D
D
The
obviously
you've
been
with
the
courses
and
time
since
obviously
show
them
the
same.
He
started
at
the
time,
but
I
think
what
I'm
curious
to
understand,
especially
with
this
with
the
way
things
have
been
going,
has
been
going
for
some
time
and
so
and
I
don't
really
see
anything
changing,
particularly
for
the
next
six
months.
So
my
question
is
number
one
just:
why
did
you
decide
to
stay,
or
why
should
for
these
officers?
Why
should
they?
Why
are
they
staying
is
well
that's
stupid.
D
H
Am
I
gonna
have
to
speak
for
myself
and
I.
Think
it's
really
that
question
you'll
be
asked
for
each
individ,
each
individually
officer.
Why?
Why
are
you
staying
for
me?
I
enjoy
the
work
I
enjoy
serving
the
public
and
I
think
in
a
broad
sense.
That's
why
those
officers
are
dedicated
and
committed
to
serving
the
city
of
ethical,
but
you
may
have
a
small
group
that
are
going
to
say.
H
You
know
why
I
think
there
are
the
grass
is
greener
or
there's
better
opportunities
in
other
departments,
so
you
have
to
factor
that
I,
like
I,
said
I've
been
here
over
four
years:
I've
enjoyed
working
with
the
public
through
the
community,
but
for
me
it's
I
had
a
date
set
in
minor
year,
which
was
this
year,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
question
that
really
you
can
ask
each
individual
officer,
Next
Step.
Let's
say
you
run
across
enough,
so
that'd
be
a
good
question
and
ask
them.
You
know
why.
H
Why
do
you
like
working
here
and
you
may
get
different
answers,
but
most
of
our
officers
are
that
are
here
that
have
been
here
for
a
while.
We
signed
up
to
do
a
job,
you
know
serve
the
public
and
and
that's
why
they
do
that
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
But
those
are
the
challenges
we
even
we
are
facing
today
when
it
comes
to
recruiting
new
ones.
There's
not
later.
It's
nuance:
yeah
I,
think
Italy
are
young
folks
that
are
just
getting
out
of
college.
A
Law
enforcement
George
has
a
question
or
comment
just.
B
Trying
to
say
something
positive.
What
we
hope
will
happen
when
this
report
is
approved
by
Council.
It
will
kind
of
solidify
what
we're
where
we're
headed
and
it's
right
in
the
report.
Ithaca
Police
Department's
not
going
anywhere
nobody's
losing
their
jobs,
it
will
continue
and
training
will
continue
to
be
high
quality
and
extremely
important,
and
so
that
made
improve
the
the
amount
of
quality
candidates.
We
have
that's,
certainly
Our
Hope
and
another
thing
that's
positive.
B
That's
going
on
right
now
is
ipd
is
making
connections
with
Community
organizations
that
the
relationship
was
in
strange
for
the
last
couple
years,
the
Mary
or
Theo,
Sergeant
or
sale
has
reached
out
to
the
South
Side
they're
they're,
developing
a
really
positive
relationship.
There's
going
to
be
a
dinner
soon
with
ipd
and
south
side,
which
is
also
reached
out
to
giac,
and
so
some
of
the
some
of
the
separations
that
have
taken
place
in
recent
years
are
being
turned
around
and
and
that's
really
good.
Yeah.
B
B
It's
not
going
to
cost
anything
extra
for
the
city,
there's
some
resistance
to
that,
but
I
think
that's
been
approved.
Yeah
that
was
approved
last
week.
H
D
But
that
should
be
part
of
this
marketing
narrative
that
that's
that's
being
discussed,
I
agree,
and
so
that's
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
as
far
as
like?
How
are
we
all
contributing
to
better
this
particular
narrative,
because
you
can't
just
say
you
can't
just
leave.
D
K
J
The
opportunity
to
our
last
investigation
to
look
at
body
cam,
video
of
a
person
who
is
resisting
arrest.
It
was
pretty
clear,
even
though
that's
what
we
weren't
particular.
It
was
pretty
clear
that
having
an
extra
officer
at
that
scene
made
everything
go
smoothly
that
had
been
two
officers.
There
were
at
1.5
officers
on
the
scene
right,
but
it
was
basically
four
people
which
was
the
entire
shift.
Yeah
and
three
were
directly
involved
with
the
takedown,
the
other
kind
of
helped
held
handcuffs.
J
H
Extra
people
to
assist
them,
so
that's
that
yeah
you're
running
late
or
you're
running
a
little
bit
heavier
than
some
of
the
other
ships.
E
J
Last
thing,
I
want
to
say,
with
the
register.
I've
also
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
with
a
couple
officers
this
month.
More
than
a
couple
there's
morale,
there's
morale
the
officers
that
I
talked
to
really
stress
the
I
hope
the
mayor
is
listening,
really
stress
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
full-time
Chief
and
we
haven't
and
they
felt
handcuffed
by
them.
J
They
said
to
me:
we
want
leadership,
we
need
leadership
in
the
department
they
weren't
being
critical
of
acting
Chita
Jolie,
so
much
as
they
recognize
the
need
for
a
permanent
leadership
which
has
been.
F
F
So
I
have
some
suggestions
that
we
can
explore
further
for
how
to
help
support
better
organizing.
F
You
know,
perhaps
that
consists
of
in
addition
to
what
we
normally
have
in
terms
of
a
complaint
and
the
response.
And
then
you
all
have
your
supporting
documents.
F
Maybe
if
there
was
a
table
that
outlined
each
complaint
and
then
had
you
know
reference
to
the
reports
and
that
could
be
included
for
doing
something
like
researching
the
annual
report,
but
basically
I
have
to
I
have
to
be
The
Keeper
of
the
files
and
provide
them
to
you
all,
and
if,
on
your
side,
you
all
decide
that
you
want
to
develop
like
a
SharePoint
or
a
OneDrive
or
a
Google
Drive
that
you
communicate
with
and
try
to
keep.
You
know
under
the
pretense
that
that's
something
that's
under
your
security
disclosure.
A
G
Yeah
sure
I'd
be
happy
to
jump
in
and
help
out
with
that.
My
my
primary
concern
with
this
is
these:
things
are
already
being
distributed
via
email
and,
historically
speaking,
and
over
time
as
board
member
rotations
occur
and
new
people
come
on
board.
It
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
central
repository
that
the
city
manages
it
doesn't
have
to
be
in
the
city
internal
file
system.
G
It
can
be
something
separate
that
a
free
account
that
we
can
spin
up
outside
of
the
city
of
Ithaca
infrastructure,
that
they
have
the
keys
to
be
able
to
add
people
and
remove
people.
That's
really
my
main
concern
there,
but
yeah.
We
can
continue
that
conversation
offline
or
at
a
follow-up
meeting
I'm
more
than
happy
to
make
myself
available
to
discuss
this.
F
E
G
E
A
Now
the
SEC.
The
second
thing
is
further
comments
from
the
subcommittee
report,
as
it
relates
to
the
common
or
Community
Police
board
enhancements.
A
We
have
my
head
thinking
on
this
was
we
haven't,
had
any
opportunity
to
make
any
sort
of
comment
and
dig
into
what
the
proposal
is
for
the
changes
to
the
community,
at
least
for
it
in
the
Special
Report.
Now,
as
everybody
looked
at
the
Special
Report.
A
C
A
Michael
they
want
to
provide
funding
so
that
we
have
some
sort
of
training
and
oversight.
A
Does
anyone
have
a
problem
with
that?
You
know
they're.
A
Law
enforcement
oversight,
training,
okay
and
got
it.
Okay,
update
activity
policies
and
labor
contracts
as
needed
to
require
the
police
and
officers
participation
with
the
community
police
board
investigations
and
review.
J
A
Yeah
I
understand,
however,
you
know
I
can
I
clearly
can
hear
Cynthia
Rock
speaking
to
us
directly
indicating
to
us
that
it's
working
now,
but
we
have
no
Assurance
it's
going
to
work
in
six
months
and
that's
where
her
head
was
at
in
saying
rate,
acquired
I
mean
you
and
I
were
involved
back
in
the
day
when
we
didn't
get
cooperation
and
we
were
told
to
go
to
hell.
B
A
B
All
of
all
of
the
things
about
in
the
report
about
your
board,
our
our
aim
to
support
your
board
and
strengthen
your
ability
to
do
your
job.
I'm.
J
Going
to
repeat
that
I
think
our
board
was
unanimous
in
asking
that
we
don't
need
strength.
I
know
that
something
could
change
in
the
future.
I
believe
we
could
deal
with
it
then
I
think
the
best
way
to
for
us
to
have
oversight
over
officers
is
to
have
a
collegial
relationship
with
them
and
to
Foster
that
relationship
year
after
year
after
year,
so
that
we
can
so
that
we
can
do
our
jobs
requiring
officers
is
going
to
have
in
some
cases,
they'll
be
negative
feedback
and
require
probably
renegotiation
of.
A
It
it
says
it
has:
it
says
that
if
the
policies
and
the
labor
contracts
will
be
needed,
changes
will
be
needed
now.
I,
don't
want
this
to
be
a
someone
bought
for
a
contract.
You
know,
officers
are
waiting
for
months
and
months
and
months
for
a
contract.
With
this
thing
hanging
out
there,
that's
crazy.
J
B
A
J
A
G
A
A
I'm
suggesting
that,
if,
in
fact
you
can
get
the
contract
fixed,
I'm,
okay
with
this-
but
if
you
can't
and
it
it
stops
stuff
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate,
because
the
whole
philosophy
in
the
charter
is
for
us
to
work
with
the
citizens
and
the
officers
to
improve
Communications
and
cooperation.
And
if
we
force
somebody
to
do
something,
we're
not
we're
not
doing
that.
We're
forcing
somebody
to
do
something.
B
H
I
That's
what
we
were
unanimous
in
in
conveying
to
this
special
committee
that
we
weren't
quite
sure
where
the
the
need
for
involving
us
more
in
the
process
or
what
we
needed
as
far
as
the
king
of
power
or
or
requiring
or
compelling
officers
to
talk
to
us,
so
that
that
was
what
that's,
what
we
were
saying.
I
What
what
is
the
issue
and
and
show
us
don't
just
assume
we
were
saying
that
it
hasn't
been
a
problem
ever
since
I've
been
on
the
board,
hasn't
ever
been
in
an
issue
whether
it
was
in
the
past
or
whether
it
will
be
in
the
future
or.
I
You
were,
but
we
were,
that
was
a
long
time
ago.
We
were
asked
that
it
was.
It
was
something
that
we
wanted.
We
we
all
said
Sabina
power
to
know.
That's
what
I
remember.
J
Building
relationships
with
officers
will
go
much
better
if
there's
no
such
thing
as
you're
required
to
talk
to
me
now.
If
we,
if
we
write
a
report
that
says
we
tried
to
call
an
office
talk
to
an
officer
and
the
officer
refused,
the
police
chief
will
see
that
officers
are
already
required
to
answer
to
the
police
chief
honestly,
that's
part
of
their
job.
J
J
B
B
Don't
see
how
it
changes
your
good
relationship,
please
don't,
but
I
can
certainly
and
certainly
relay
your
opposition
to
that
word.
A
Excuse
me,
we
will
have
to
decide,
you
know
as
a
board.
I
mean
certainly
there's
a
strong
comment
from
the
person
next
to
me
over
here,
but
we
haven't.
You
know,
said
I
said
something
a
little
bit
different
I
said,
if
that,
if
it
comes,
becomes
a
problem
with
a
contract
I'm
against
it,
110
percent
I
don't
want
this
to
be
forced
on
somebody
through
a
contract
negotiation
and
it
sounds
like
it
might
have
to
be.
So
if
we're,
how.
K
Cooperating
and
I
don't
want
to
force
them.
If
that
becomes
a
roadblock,
then
it's
worthless,
the
the
and
we
we're
doing
fine
so
far,
Johnny,
because.
E
B
That's
your
opinion.
I'll
I'll
share
it
with
my
colleagues.
It
will
help.
It
would
be
helpful
if
you
put
that
in
writing.
Let
me
ask
you:
in
the
beliefs
in
the
department
policy
and
procedure
manual.
D
D
I
think
it
because,
ultimately,
whether
it's
required
or
not,
if
you're
doing
a
job
right,
whether
or
require
you
or
not,
it's
not,
it
shouldn't
be
a
problem
for
you
to
want
to
do
it
and
then,
on
the
other
side,
as
far
as
if
we
are
encouraged
by
or
if
you
trust
that
people
are
going
to
do
what
they
want.
H
D
I
mean
technology
is
probably
the
only
reason
why
I'm
not
too
I
think
it
would
be
a
different
discussion
if
body
cams
were
not
available
or
were
not
possible,
like
never
were
invented,
it'd
be
a
different
conversation
for
me,
but
I
think
that,
whether
it's
it's
not
for
me,
whether
how
things
have
been
going
for
the
last
five
years,
so
it's
more
of
like.
If
especially
my
thing
is
it's
more
inclined
that
if
it's
been
going
well
for
the
last
five
years,
why
not
be
put
in
the
body
in
another
policy
manual
anyway,.
A
The
policy
is
great,
but
in
the
contract
I
think
is
the
barrier
for.
A
Okay,
good
idea,
I
think
it's
great
I
am
what
what
would
you
recommend
Vince
if
we
were
to
try
to
affect
this
change.
H
But,
like
I,
said
right
now
it
seems
to
be
it's
working
and
you
know
it's
even
you
know
you
can
go
back
and
look
at
like
when
we
interview
people
on
the
street
who
may
be
involved
in
a
crime.
We
try
to
get
his
voluntary
compliance,
sure
sure
and
I
I
think
if
you
start
mandating
and
attendance
you're
gonna
have
that
absolute
effect
that
people
may
not
want
to
collaborate
or
you
mandate
them
to
come
in
and
talk
to
us
and
right
now
it
seems
to
be
working.
D
A
J
Do
that,
do
you
want
to
do
that?
Yes,
okay,
great
George,
could
you
help
with
that
I
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable?
How
to
make
that
approach?
I
mean
we
could
make
the
approach
with
I
think
the
question
that
we
were
asking
is:
is
this?
Okay
in
this
report
that
George
is
going
to
have
to
present
to
the
George's
group
is
going
to
have
to
present
to
the
council.
B
J
A
B
B
D
I
think
for
me
it's
it's
ultimately,
for
those
are
that
are
drafting
this,
to
really
more
understanding
that
the
power
of
law
is
not
necessarily
within
us
ability
to
drop
a
recommendation
or
reporter
conduct
an
investigation,
but
more
so
what
does
the
mayor
or
the
the
chief
of
the
police
decide
to
do
with
these
recommendations,
like
all
we
are
at
best,
is
just
you're
best
making
recommendations.
Ultimately,
it
comes
down
to
what
do
people
actually
follow
up
on
and
that
to
me,
that's
a
different
discussion.
I.
Don't
think
that
here's.
B
What
I'm
not
going
to
do
yeah
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
explain
that
to
my
subcommittee?
If,
if
you
should,
you
need
to
explain
yourself,
okay,
I,
those
are
all
good
reasons
not
to
require
officers
to
cooperate
with
you
and
the
fact
that
they
are
cooperating
with.
You
is
obviously
important,
but
please
don't
put
me
in
the
middle
of
kindness.
Well,
this
is
what
they
say
and.
E
A
A
It's
a
barrier
to
positive
okay.
So
writing.
C
F
B
I'll
I
will
I
will
let
the
subcommittee
know
that
there's
a
hiccup
here
and
one.
A
It
thanks
thank
you,
you're
welcome
and
we
haven't
even
got
through
them.
All
I
know
provide
and
utilize
funding
for
third-party
review
of
ipd
internal
investigation,
so
that
ipt
staff
are
not
tasked
with
investigating
their
colleagues
and
Community
Police
board
investigations
of
complex
or
high
interest.
Community
generated
complaints,
as
requested
by
the
community
police
board
with.
J
A
A
A
Your
language,
well,
you
don't
have
to
Outer
right
here
on
the
public.
G
B
I
think
it
it
if
I'm
understanding
you
correctly,
it
is
an
Avenue
to
further
investigate
something
that,
for
whatever
reason,
is
too
complex
from
the
board
May
that
could
be
legal
legally
or
I.
Don't
know.
F
A
E
A
Receive
a
citizen
citizen
as
an
interaction
with
the
police
department
that
they
say
it
was
something
was
wrong
with
it
didn't
feel
good
what
whatever
they
decide.
You
know
in
their
own
mind
and
they
ask
us
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
they
they
recommend
what
they
think
we
you
know
they
would
like
to
see
happen,
and
so
we
look
at
all
the
data.
We've
talked
to
the
person
who
wrote
the
complaint.
We
talked
to
the
officers
involved
and
we
write
a
report.
A
A
G
I
think
it's
just
it
again.
It
sounds
like
to
me
that
it's
offering
a
path
of
escalation.
In
case
we
find
ourselves
in
over
our
head,
I've
not
been
on
the
board
long
enough
to
pick
up
on
whether
that's
something
the
board
has
historically
experienced.
Maybe
that's
something
that
board
members
can
can
speak
to
right
now.
I've
I've,
just
not
seen
that
in
the
few
cases
that
I've
I've
read
through
or
have
now
navigated
myself.
F
J
A
You
it's
not
it's
something
that.
J
Them
that
certainly
would
have
been
a
big
one,
because
there
was
there
was
a
number
of
questions
there.
That
officer
there
were
three
or
four
officers
that
they
behaved
properly
did
best
made
properly
was
the
other
guy
arrested?
One
might
also
say
you
could
take
that
investigation
into
whether
the
judicial
system
handled
that
right.
It's
right
there
on
video
one
of
the
citizens
that
was
involved
in
this
altercation
punched,
the
police
officer
and
was
exonerated
by
a
city
judge
and
the
behavior
of
the
of
officers
was
excoriated
by
the
very
same
city.
K
I
think
we
think
maybe
that's
what
this
is
specifically
of
the
report
is,
you
know,
should
we
ever
find
ourselves?
Do
we
have
an
Avenue
of
saying
look?
This
is
already
beyond
what
we
normally
could
deal
with.
It's
already
inflamed,
and
you
know
a
large
number
of
people
two.
We
want
this
isn't
out
saying
this
is
first
of
all
never
approached
we
never
were
contacted
in
the
normal
Channel
normal
way
of
filing
a
complaint.
It's
already
gone
past
that
and
we
don't
have
the
resources
the
way
we're
set
up
to
deal
with
it.
A
E
A
K
A
First
she's
had
her
hand.
G
Okay,
go
ahead,
yeah,
just
a
quick
question
to
kind
of
get
some
other
perspectives
here.
Does
this
seem
like
the
level
of
incident
that
there
may
be
kind
of
referring
to
is
outside
of
the
purview
of
what
our
board
does?
Anyways,
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
picking
up
on
I
mean
we
really
handle,
and
we
act
more
as
a
liaison
between
the
community
and
the
police
and
try
to
you
know
kind
of
build
that
relationship.
G
It
seems
like
if
something
were
bigger,
that
would
be
a
city
problem,
and
you
know
police
problem
and
a
police
Union
problem,
potentially
rather
than
a
board
problem
or
am
I
misunderstanding
things.
I
I
A
I
And
that's
actually
what
I
was
questioning
and
we
kind
of
decided
that
it
doesn't
belong
in
the
community
police
board,
but
that
bullet
says
ipd
internal
investigations.
I'm
sorry
number
three
was
provide
and
utilize
funding
for
third-party
review
of
ipd
internal
investigation
so
that
ipd
staff
are
not
tasked.
We
would
investigating
their
colleagues
which
in
My
Mind
questions
like.
Can
the
ipd
do
any
internal
investigation
or
are
they
going
to
be
compelled
to
have
a
third
party
review?
It
depends
on.
H
What
the
complaint
is
I
mean
right
now,
if
it's,
if
it's
something
that
maybe
comes
to
our
attention,
we
may
initiate
something
or
will
initiate
something.
If
we
look
at
it,
there's
been
a
couple
times
where
we've
it's
been
referred
to
the
board
over
the
years,
correct
I
think
you
got
to
look
at
each
one
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
then,
whether
it's
maybe
too
complex
for
the
board
or
outside
they're.
H
Expertise,
let's
say,
and
we
take
it
in
the
chief's
office:
they've
done
those
in
the
past
or
we're
non-union,
so
we're
not
investigating
other
Union
Officers,
you
know
correct,
like
Independents
are
starting
to
investigating
other
people,
their
personnel.
You
got
to
look
at
on
a
case
between
spaces
and
if
it's
even
beyond
our
capabilities
and
maybe
something
we're
gonna
talk
to
the
D.A
about
or
outside
agencies,
whether
it's,
the
state
police
or
the
Attorney
General's
office
in
New,
York,
state,
New,
York
state.
So
so.
C
B
K
J
Okay,
an
investigation
that's
going
to
require
outside
investigation
investigators
is
going
to
be
referred
to.
As
Vince
was
saying,
district
attorney,
State
Police,
it's
going
to
that's
going
to
be
the
way
it
goes,
and
if
we
got
ourselves
in
so
deep
into
some
investigation,
well
wait
a
minute:
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
expertise.
We
would
turn
it
back
with
a
report
saying
we
don't
have
that
expertise.
We
think
this
should
be
investigated.
J
J
A
A
B
A
A
Create
continuous
review
of
reporting
structures.
A
J
Help
Point
asking
for
the
senior
officers
the
Command
Staff
yeah,
the
Command
Staff,
to
encourage
the
officers
which
they
do.
Compliance.
K
J
A
J
F
J
B
Yeah
directed
to
my
subcommittee-
yes,
not
just
that
requirement
word,
but
also
your
objections
to
anything
else
in
there,
like
the
the
fact
that,
outside
on
bringing
an
outside
experts,
doesn't
really
fit
what
you
do,
and
we
can
do
that
too.
That
would
be
great,
because
I
really
want
to
get
this
report
done.
Yeah
I
can't
I
can't
thank
you.
Those
are
those
are
legitimate.