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A
A
Foreign
council
chambers,
108
East
Green,
Street
Ithaca,
at
which
time
the
commission
will
consider
the
following
applications
for
material
changes
or
alterations,
and
we
have
today
we
have
McGraw
Hall,
141,
Central,
Avenue,
Cornell,
Arts,
quad,
historic
district
proposal
to
remove
the
exterior
metal
support
structure,
restore
the
stone,
facade
and
construct
accessible
entrances
on
the
east
and
west
facades,
601
East,
State,
Street,
East,
Hill,
historic
district
proposal
to
construct
a
two-story
wood-framed
multi-family
residence
in
the
rear
yard
of
the
property
and
200
Highland
Avenue
Cornell
Heights
historic
district
proposal
to
construct
a
two
and
one-half
story:
wood
frame
Edition
on
the
North
elevations
all
part.
A
All
interested
parties
will
be
given
an
opportunity
at
the
hearing
to
be
heard
in
person
or
by
agent.
Respecting
these
applications
and
I
think
we
should
also
mention
virtual
participation
in
public
meetings
is
authorized
by
part
ww
of
chapter
56
of
the
laws
of
2022
of
New
York
state
and
local
law
2022-05
through
video
conferencing
technology.
A
So
we're
going
to
begin
with
the
McGraw
Hall
proposal:
McGraw
Hall,
141,
Central,
Avenue,
Cornell,
Heights,
historic
district
proposal
to
remove
the
exterior
metal
support
structure,
restore
the
stone,
facade
and
construct
accessible
entrances
on
the
east
and
west.
Besides,.
B
We
have
we
have
the
project
manager,
Andy
rollman
from
Cornell
University
and
Margaret
Cornell
University
to
present
the
project.
C
C
Roman
with
Cornell
University
I'm,
the
project
manager
and,
as
stated
with
me,
can
you
hear
me.
A
E
C
Well,
thank
you.
I'm
Andy,
Roman
I'm,
the
project
manager
on
the
McGraw
Hall
renovation
project.
We
are
pleased
to
be
here
tonight
and
with
me,
is
Margaret
Carney
who's,
the
senior
director
of
The
Office
of
the
University
architect
and
Margaret
is
going
to
start
us
out
with
our
presentation
and
we
also
have
Carmen
medical
with
buyer,
blender
Bell
our
Consulting
architect,
and
they
will
be
making
the
presentation
as
well
so
I
don't
know
if
Carmen
is
in
the
waiting
room.
Oh.
C
C
Is
hi
hi
Carmen,
this
is
Carmen
medical
principal
at
buyer,
blender,
Bell,
Architects
and
Margaret
is
gonna.
Do
the
project
introduction
and
then
hand
it
over
to
Carmen?
So
thank
you.
D
E
New
York
it's
yeah
right,
so,
while
Carmen
is
pulling
those
up,
I'll
just
say,
as
Andy
said,
I'm
the
university
architect
here
for
Cornell
I
think
I've
met.
Many
of
you
I've
been
here
in
this
role
for
about
five
and
a
half
years
and
I.
Think
McGraw
was
the
first
project.
E
I
started
working
on
when
I
got
here
five
and
a
half
years
ago,
I'm
also
a
Cornell
Alum
I
went
through
the
architecture
school
here
back
in
75
to
81
and,
as
you
can
imagine
being
in
this
building
now
and
walking
through,
it
is
really
painful.
Given
the.
E
I
have
of
it
even
back
then,
when
it
was
still
more
of
a
viable
space
for
teaching
and
learning
and
people.
You
know
running
into
each
other,
so
I
I'm
thrilled
thrilled
to
be
here
as
part
of
this
team
with
Carmen
and
Andy
and
others
who
are
on
the
YouTube
to
bring
this
project
back
as
a
reintroduction
to
share
with
you
where
we
are
currently
after
we
renewed
the
project,
got
started
again
and
with
the
same
team
from
buyer,
blender
Bill
to
move
the
project
forward.
E
Let's
go
to
the
next
slide
Carmen,
so
you
know
I
think
above
all
else.
Our
our
goal
on
this
project,
since
we
first
began,
has
really
been
to
bring
this
building
back
to
life,
not
just
to
restore
the
exterior
and
to
to
make
it
look
as
beautiful
as
it
was
the
first
day
it
was
opened
just
a
few
years.
You
know
after
the
Civil
War
ended.
So
there's
a
such
an
important
piece
of
Cornell
history
and
Ithaca
history
and
Architectural
history.
E
In
the
United
States,
so
we
are
really
happy
to
be
back
on
track,
bringing
it
back
to
life.
These
are
just
a.
G
E
Of
some
of
the
the
State
of
Affairs,
this
building
is
in
right
now
it
has
been
since
covid.
Actually,
we've
not
only
had
the
exoskeleton
holding
up
the
exterior
Stone,
but
we've
had
scaffolding
at
entryways
to
protect
people
from
falling
bits
of
building
coming
down
on
them,
so
between
the
the
exterior
condition
of
the
exterior
envelope,
the
windows,
the
Stone
deterioration,
the
roof
all
of
it.
E
Next
slide,
please
Carmen,
so
I
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
over
the
time
since
we
saw
you
last
so
it
was
last.
The
last
introduction
we
gave
to
you
for
this
project
was
back
in
November
of
2019..
E
We've
gone
through
a
lot
of
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
Justice
to
this
building
into
the
Arts
quad
and
the
campus
in
the
work
that
we
do
so.
The
goals
that
you
see
here
have
changed
slightly
from
where
we
were
five
years
ago,
because
we've
learned
more
we've,
we've
really
worked
very
hard
to
figure
out
what
is
the
best
way
to
to
bring
this
building
back
to
life
and
how?
How
do
we
accommodate
programs
moving
forward?
E
That
really
need
different
kinds
of
space,
and
that's
really
the
opportunity
we
have
is
to
create
within
this
building
show
and
a
new
interior
that
is
really
going
to
be
relevant
and
viable
for
the
kinds
of
teaching
and
learning
and
research
that
go
on
now
and
and
into
the
future,
which
we
can't
really
anticipate
fully,
but
we
can
make
a
building
that
is
somewhat
more
flexible
and
can
remain
a
sort
of
dignified
environment,
even
though
it
is
modified
over
the
next
150
years.
That's
future,
but
these
These
are
definitely
the
objective.
E
Sorry,
if
you
just
keep
here
for
a
minute,
you
know
definitely
fixing
the
exterior
of
the
building,
no
doubt
about
it.
That's
that's
really
number
one
and
a
big
priority
for
this
discussion
that
we're
in
now,
but
also
the
building
really
needs
to
have
modern
systems
so
that
we
can
keep
people
in
the
building
year
round
and
keep
them
comfortable.
They
haven't
had
air
conditioning
except
for
window
units
ever
and
that's
going
to
be
transformative
just
on
its
own
accommodating
program.
You
know
we
have.
E
This
building
has
had
many
lives,
it
has
said
Museum
space
in
it.
It
was
the
library
at
one
time
it
has
had
many
many
Renovations
over
time,
none
of
which
have
really
I
think
helped
it
and
helped
us
condition
at
this
point.
But
the
program
we
are
talking
about
now
is
really
keeping
the
people
in
the
building.
E
Who
are
there
now
the
department
of
history
and
anthropology
in
some
classroom
space
for
arts
and
sciences
and
other
Humanities
programs
we
have,
since
we
talked
to
you
last,
we've
actually
reduced
the
amount
of
square
footage
we
want
to
put
inside
this
building
and
Carmen
we'll
talk
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
But
we
were
at
a
point
last
time
where
we
were
trying
to
maximize
the
amount
of
program
space
in
this
building
and
when
we
reevaluated
starting
about
two
years
ago,
we
said,
let's
not
try
to
pack
everything
into
this.
E
E
So
that's
definitely
a
focus
in
every
aspect
of
the
building,
certainly
making
the
building
accessible,
we're
thrilled
that
we
have
figured
out
a
way
with
fireblender
Bell's
help
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
get
in
and
out
of
this
building
for
people
who
prefer
a
ramp
both
from
the
East
and
the
West
sides
of
the
building,
and
then
behind.
E
All
of
it
is
really
just
maintaining
the
Grandeur
of
this
building,
bringing
it
back
to
life
so
that
when
people
come
out
onto
the
Arts
quad
and
they
see
McGraw
and
stone
row,
they
can
really
feel
Cornell's
Roots,
where
we
came
from
and
The
Rustic
sort
of
Elegance
of
of
that
time
and
of
this
institution
next
slide.
Please.
E
If
you
haven't
been
to
see
this
building
recently,
you
know
the
condition
of
it
now
some
of
the
features
of
the
building.
You
know
the
the
presence
as
part
of
stone,
Row,
the
central,
the
centerpiece
of
stone
row
actually
with
the
bell
tower
the
stories
about
the
the
McGraw
family
and
Jenny
McGraw.
Those
are
really
important
to
the
Cornell
Community
I
think
also
to
the
Ithaca
community.
E
E
That
includes
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
on
the
stone,
not
just
replacing
some
of
the
stone
at
the
base
courses
that
have
have
been
damaged
over
time,
but
reinforcing
the
stone
exterior
using
pins
and
concrete
to
hold
it
together,
so
that
it
is
preserved
exactly
as
it
was
built,
but
will
last
much
longer
time
and
will
help
us
beat
our
energy
codes.
Next.
H
E
E
We're
still,
you
know,
fairly
early
in
the
design
process.
For
this
this
current
phase
of
design.
We
are
about
halfway
through
design
development,
so
just
far
enough
to
really
know,
feel
confident,
I
guess
in
our
timeline
in
our
process
and
our
our
cost
estimate
and
the
program.
So
we're
now
really
moving
forward
I
think
more
quickly
than
we
were
in
the
beginning,
when
we
were
really
working
through
a
lot
of
changes
since
the
last
planning
effort.
E
So
Carmen
will
take
it
from
here
to
talk
in
more
detail
about
next
steps
in
the
process,
but
really
go
into
detail
about
what
we're
doing
what
we're
thinking
so
that
you
have
a
chance
to
be
aware
of.
All
of
that
understand
the
changes
and
ask
questions
so
Carmen
I'm
gonna,
take.
I
It
away
okay.
So
as
Margaret
mentioned,
this
is
a
reintroduction.
So
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
some
of
this
history,
but
for
those
who
aren't
I
will
you
know
go
over
it
again?
We
we've
studied
this
building
quite
a
bit
over
the
course
of
the
last
several
years.
So
McGraw
was
built
as
Margaret
said
several
years
after
the
Civil
War.
I
It
was
this
designed
as
a
centerpiece
of
Old
Stone
row,
so
it's
flanked
to
the
north,
by
moral,
by
White
Hall
and
to
the
South
by
moral,
which
are
a
similar
design.
I
I
Then
I'll
I'll
go
through
in
a
little
more
detail,
so
the
primary
access
was
developed
over
time
from
the
East
side,
which
became
the
Arts
quad,
which
is
the
was
the
first
one
of
the
first
historic
districts
in
from
1868
the
period
of
1860
to
1919.
I
I
So
here's
a
you
see
a
design
drawing
from
the
architect
Archimedes
Russell,
and
you
can
see
we've
kind
of
highlighted
some
of
the
changes
that
we
see
in
the
building
versus
the
the
design
drawings.
So
there
were
some
Dormers
added
and
some
ocular
windows,
and
then
this
his
Ornamental
Iron
Grill
was
not
actually
built,
or
at
least
we
never.
We
never
saw
it
on
the
building
in
the
earlier
earliest
photos
that
we
have
seen.
I
The
clock
we
believe
was
installed,
although
I'm
not
sure
it's
clear
from
the
photos
whether
there
was
actually
a
clock
face
ever
there,
but
once
Jenny
McGraw
Tower
was
built
in
in
Paris
that
clock
face
was
removed,
the
bells
were
also
removed,
so
louvers
were
added
to
the
spell
Tower
and
the
bells
were
relocated
to
McGraw
Tower,
and
this
the
original
slate
roof
was
replaced
with
a
standing,
seam
metal,
I
believe
for
performance
issues.
I
I
Skylights
had
also
been
added
over
time,
and
then
you
can
see
1999's
photo
from
1997..
The
clock
face
was
actually
just
fully
fully
removed.
I
There's,
you
know,
there's
facade
repair
which
you
may
be
familiar
with,
but
then
there's
you
know
what
we're
dealing
with
is
actually
more
like
masonry
stabilization,
it's
much
more
intensive
than
your
typical
facade
repair
and
it's
what
is
requiring
the
building
to
have
an
exoskeleton
to
actually
physically
hold
it
together.
The
building
is
made
of
masonry
bearing
walls
around
the
exterior
and
their
two
interior
masonry,
bearing
walls
they're
about
30
inches
thick,
and
they
comprise
an
outer
y.
Then
an
inner
wide
with
what
was
grout
holding
it
together.
I
The
grout
has
dissolved
over
time
turned
into
sand
or
just
disappeared,
allowing
the
walls
to
separate.
So
we
see
here,
some
of
the
forces
from
the
roof
are
causing
causing
the
walls
to
push
out,
and
that's
why
this
bracing
was
installed
to
pull
it
back
together
to
stabilize
it
temporarily.
I
So
the
structural
repairs
we're
doing
to
the
building
will
eliminate
the
need
for
that
exoskeleton
once
we're
finished
and
then
just
to
go
into
a
little
more
detail,
you
can
see
some
of
the
technical
work
behind
that
that
finding
the
these
are
the
the
voids
seen
in
a
in
a
ground,
penetrating
radar
of
the
wall,
and
this
is
actually
a
pretty
large
crack
in
one
of
those
masonry
walls
that
we
discovered
in
a
in
a
probe.
So
this
and
these
investigations
have
been
going
on
since
about
2017
2016.
I
Then
the
process
to
restore
that
masonry
bearing
wall
which
I'll
say,
will
no
longer
be
structurally
a
bearing
wall.
It
will
hold
its
own
weight,
but
we
are
removing
the
entire
interior
wood
frame
structure,
so
it
no
longer
Bears
on
the
exterior
wall,
but
rather
these
pins
that
will
hold
the
two
eyes
of
all
together
will
be
supported
by
the
interior.
I
So
you
can
see
here
a
sample
of
this
pin
which
is
installed
through
the
wall
from
the
inside.
So
this
is
the
inside
face
and
not
quite
to
the
outside,
so
it
grabs
onto
both
wides
of
stone,
a
grout
is
injected
and
filling
these
the
voids
on
the
interior.
I
And
then
kind
of
the
more
maybe
more
typical
work
when
the
facade
repair
will
have
to
happen
prior
to
all
that
the
the
exterior
really
needs
to
be
buttoned
up
before
we
start
bracing
it.
So
that
includes
repairing
cracks.
Displaced,
Stone
mortar
with
the
the
facade
will
be
a
100
repointed
as
well.
I
Additionally
cleaning
you
know
vegetation
biological
growth,
repointing
joints
and
I
mentioned
repairing
and
replacing
stones,
and
then
also
on
the
exterior
with
the
on
the
West
Side.
Several
of
the
Stoops
have
not
been
in
use
for
many
years.
I
Two
of
those
entrances
were
converted
to
offices,
so
these
these
have
particularly
deteriorated
and
they
will
be
rebuilt
to
be
code
compliant
we'll
also
be
restoring
the
original
doors
and
installing
new,
a
new
Grain
water
system,
which
you
can
see
here
for
the
windows
and
I
I
meant
to
mention
this
up
front.
But
we,
this
is
a
a
kind
of
an
introduction
introductory
meeting
where
we
really
want
to
go
over
the
scope,
and
we
will
we're
planning
to
come
back
to
you
with
more
with
additional
details.
I
So
while
it
does
seem
like
I,
haven't,
have
a
lot
of
information
here,
we
we
are
planning
to
return
with
additional
details
specifically
about
the
windows
and
also
about
some
of
the
detailing
on
the
site.
So
you'll
see
here
the
the
windows
in
the
building,
many
of
which
are
original,
although,
as
you
saw
a
lot
of
them,
have
changed
over
time.
I
Their
wood
frame
single
hung
Windows.
They
are
single
glazed
and
for
this
style
of
building
there's
quite
a
high
ratio
of
Windows
to
masonry
wall.
So
it's
a
it's
a
glassy
Stone
building
these
these
windows
are
about
nine
feet:
nine
and
a
half
feet
tall
on
the
first
floor,
but
the
intent
is
to
maintain
the
historic
configuration
of
the
windows
and
we
we
can
go
into
more
detail.
Also.
There
were
changes
to
the
to
the
shapes
of
the
Dormers
and
and
a
lot
of
changes
over
time
to
the
windows.
I
Then,
to
go
into
a
little
I
had
previously
when
we
were
doing
more
work
to
the
building,
I
had
kind
of
a
morphology
of
all
the
changes
that
were
had.
That
happened
over
the
course
of
this
building's
lifespan,
because
just
the
this
section
diagram
changed
pretty
drastically
over
time,
but
we've
now
simplified
the
project
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
that
we're
doing
that
will
impact
the
exterior.
I
As
Margaret
mentioned,
we
are
no
longer
planning
to
raise
the
roof,
as
we
had
previously
we're
keeping
the
roof
line
as
it
is,
and
planning
to
use
this
space
for
a
piece
of
mechanical
equipment.
For
that
reason,
we
are
planning
to
reframe
a
portion
of
the
roof,
to
allow
the
installation
of
that,
but
then
put
it
back
as
it
as
it
is
today,
and
then
these
two
North
and
South
Wing
walls
Wing
roofs.
I
We
are
replacing
because
the
the
structure
has
significantly
deteriorated
and
the
repairs
have
done
their
best
but
needs
to
be
reframed,
and
we
are
relocating
this.
The
third
floor
floor
level
on
the
North
and
South
to
make
the
building
accessible.
Currently,
these
north
and
south
are
quite
a
bit
higher
than
the
central
portion
connected
with
a
couple
steps.
I
Just
showing
the
top
the
upper
portion
of
the
elevation
to
zoom
in
a
little
more
on
some
of
that
that
work
we're
doing
on
those
the
the
roof.
As
you
may
recall,
the
the
cresting
was
removed
last
year
with
ilpc
approval.
It
had
become
a
safety
issue,
but
it
is
being
stored
in
the
plan
is
to
salvage
that
and
reinstall
it.
I
We
are
also
planning
to
remove
louvers
at
the
Bell
Tower
and
replace
them
with
birds
green
to
allow
for
more
similar
appearance
to
this,
the
the
originally
built
Tower,
and
then
these
are
the
sections
of
roof
that
we
are
planning
to
reframe
and
re-roof
in
kind,
and
this
is
that
the
same
information
on
a
roof
plan
just
just
to
show
where
those
are.
I
And
then
just
circle
back
to
the
site
plan,
just
a
little
history
on
the
site,
as
you
saw
from
that
original
photo,
Central
Avenue
was
originally
to
the
east
of
the
building,
and
there
was
this
kind
of
Oval
Drive
in
front
of
McGraw.
You
can
see
the
kind
of
remnant
of
that
in
this.
I
I
This
is
a
similar
satellite
image
from
2010..
Thank
you.
I
So
our
plan
to
provide
accessible
entries
at
at
McGraw's
it's
a
significant
challenge,
because
the
building
is
raised
up
quite
a
bit
and
we
we
really
do
want
to
be
sensitive
to
to
its
centrality
on
the
campus.
This
is
a
photo
of
the
existing
conditions,
also
highlighting
the
the
trees,
which
are
also
quite
significant.
There
are
four
very
large
oak
trees
on
the
west
side
of
the
building,
so
there
is
actually
one
accessible
entry
here,
snuck
in
on
the
west
side
that
takes
you
down
to
the
lower
level.
Today,.
I
So
these
this
ramp
is
inserted
at
a
landing
level,
so
we've
taken
the
Stoops
and
essentially
pulled
them
forward
a
bit,
including
the
central
stoop
which
is
pulled
forward
to
allow
for
Central
landing
area
to
access
the
the
center
doorways.
I
The
the
pathway
is
then
bowed
about
five
or
six
feet
from
where
it
is
today.
It's
actually
bowed
very
slightly
today
to
allow
for
the
incursion
of
this
stoop,
but
we
are
increasing
that
that
curvature
a
little
bit
and
kind
of
putting
a
more
gracious
planting
and
benches
along
that
elevation
to
the
West,
we're
also
installing
an
accessible
ramp
that
leads
down
to
the
lower
level.
This
ramp,
in
contrast
to
what's
there
today,
will
be
more
welcoming
it
ties
into
an
accessible,
accessible
parking
spaces
at
the
at
Central
Ave.
I
Here
it's
a
bit
wider
than
the
one.
That's
there
today,
we've
curved
the
wall
to
to
to
make
this
feel
like
a
more
gracious
entry,
and
that
leads
fairly
directly
to
the
elevator,
which
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
I
E
I
To
the
building
in
the
landscape,
we
are
proposing
additional
trees
be
planted
along
that
elevation
along
the
East
Side
and
while
I
I,
don't
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
the
details
that
I
know
that
ilpc
will
want
to
see
in
the
future.
We
we
do
plan
to
return
them
with
them,
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
note
that
our
general
approach
to
this
this
entry
is
really
obeying
the
symmetry
of
of
the
elevation.
I
So
I
just
wanted
to
show
that
elevation
that
having
two
paths
that
kind
of
approach
the
center
from
the
North
and
the
South,
it
felt
much
more
compatible
to
the
elevation.
Actually.
In
this
view,
you
can't
really
tell
that
the
the
Stoops
have
been
separated
so
really
keeping
the
overall
intent
of
the
existing
entries,
and
that's
just
to
show
that
what's
there
today.
J
And
with
Avi
it's
a
terrific
presentation,
it's
a
clearly
a
Monumental
task.
You
folks
have
taken
on
I
would
like
to
understand
better
the
the
access
the
ramps
on
both
as
I
understand
at
both
east
and
west
faces.
I
Okay,
maybe
it'll
help
if
I
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
I
So
you
can
see
here
the
path
and
we're
not
showing
the
existing
path,
but
the
existing
path
runs
straight
across
the
West
facade,
it's
in
the
previous
slide.
So
what
we
have
is
is
a
ramp
that
comes
up
here
to
an
intermediate
Landing
and
that
intermediate
Landing
can
take
you
up
up
the
stair.
That
leads
you
to
one
entrance
or
you
can
continue
up
the
ramp
to
the
main
Landing,
which
is
it
a
quarter
inch
lower
than
the
first
floor
slab,
which
will
take
you
into
the
building
at
at
level.
I
So
there's
no
no
step
there.
J
What
I
would
like
to
understand
better
is
is
what
that
would
look
like
from
ground
level.
I
mean
that
seems
to
be
the
the
most
visible
alteration
to
the
facade.
Yes,.
I
I
But
you
know
I
I,
feel
like
it's
from
the
ground.
The
appearance
is
quite
similar
to
today
and
that
you,
you
don't
you
don't
really
see
that
that
ramp,
it's
kind
of
behind
the
the
landscape.
E
So
maybe
Carmen
one
thing
I
would
add
to
that.
Is
that
and
you
kind
of
just
sit
out
behind
the
landscape
so
between
the
exist,
the
sidewalk
that
borders,
the
quad
and
the
ramp
that
space
in
between
that
is
sloping
up
to
the
ramp
would
be
a
landscape
area.
So.
K
And
what
what
materials
would
the
ramp
walls
be
made
out
of
and
what
material
would
be
guard
rails
be
made
of?
Do
you
have
any.
I
Ideas,
that's
why
we
do,
but
we
have
not.
We
have
not
finalized
those,
and
we
know
that
that
you
will
will.
You
know
definitely
want
to
scrutinize
our
our
choices
with
that
and
we
are
kind
of
currently
evaluating
low
walls
versus
guardrails
versus
handrails
and
trying
to
balance
that
with
the
university
and
among
ourselves.
So
that's
why
we
would
like
to
to
come
back
with
more
details
on
that.
For
you.
I
Just
have
handrails,
but
our
understanding
is
that
that
will
be
we.
We
need
to
provide
guardrails
at
that
stoop
because
of
the
drop
so.
L
You
see
the
brand
following
that
white
Stone
along
the
bottom.
G
I
That
was
that
was
our
intent,
but
again
balancing
the
materiality
of
the
guardrail,
which
we'll
have
to
go
above
that
line
just
because
it
will
have
to
be
42
inches
above
that
that
Bell
course
the
water
table
is
the
top
of
that
is
at
the
first
floor
level.
So
so
our
guard
rails
would
be
would
be
taller
than
that,
but
the
intent,
yes,
that
we
are
definitely
very
mindful
of
of
that
line.
K
Correct
the
existing
materials
look
like
Limestone,
copings
and
carvings,
and
maybe
Enfield
Stone
Treads-
is
that
what
they
are.
K
K
I
I
Which
the?
Which
Windows.
M
As
a
anthropology
student
at
Cornell,
when
I
was
I'm,
excited
to
see
you
know
some
of
these
changes
I'm
so
just
to
confirm
you're
only
planning
on
replacing
two
roofs
or.
I
We
are
planning
to
replace
the
the
roof
of
the
North
and
the
roof
of
the
the
roof
of
the
South
and
the
roof,
the
north
for
structural
reasons,
and
this
section
in
the
center
here
in
order
to
install
a
piece
of
mechanical
equipment
and
rebuild
back
as
it
is
today.
I
So
that
would
include
these
these
Dormers
in
that
mansard.
Here
on
the.
I
A
B
So
I
prepared
a
resolution
for
tonight's
meeting,
but
given
their
presentation
and
my
understanding
of
the
status
of
the
project,
I
I
didn't
think
the
resolution
would
be
read
this
evening.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
open
the
public
hearing.
B
Get
comments
from
the
public
in
my
recommended
recommendation
is
to
leave
the
public
hearing
open
forms
until
subsequent
meetings,
where
we
have
more
of
those
details
and
read
the
resolution
later,
approving
the
projects.
Okay,
so.
B
A
B
Officially
open
it's
open,
so
people
can
submit
comments.
People
can
come
to
the
next
meeting
and
speak
on
the
project.
We've
done
it
in
the
past
for
larger
products.
Library
place
was
one
of
them.
That
way.
B
If
details
come
out
of
the
continued
design
work,
do
you
elicit
comment
from
the
from
the
community
and
the
public?
They
can
be
addressed
at
a
meeting.
A
F
F
It's
encouraging
and
yeah,
like
people
were
saying,
it'd,
be
great
to
see
some
sort
of
elevations
or
picture
from
the
ground
level
of
what
that
ramp
will
look
like
it's
like
it's
sort
of
unfortunate
that
it
has
to
have
a
rail,
because
it's
over
three
feet,
it
looks
like
it'll,
be
a
very
long
rail
across
the
front
of
the
building,
but
the
the
concept
in
general
looks
good,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
see
some
pictures
at
some
point.
I
L
H
E
Their
Landscape
Architects,
we
were
really
thrilled,
because
that
is
really
important
to
us
that
we
provide
that
accessibility,
which
is
not
easy
to
do
in
Ithaca
anywhere,
but
especially
on
our
campus.
So
we
were
happy.
We
could
come
up
with
something
that
was,
we
think
very
minimally
intrusive
to
the
building
and
really
allows
each
of
the
main
entrances
to
some
of
them
actually
aren't
even
being
used
as
entry
doors
currently,
and
they
are
all
going
to
be
reactivated
as
real
true
entry
doors
on
both
the
East
and
the
West
sides
of
the
building.
E
So
we're
happy
to
come
back,
though,
with
more
details.
We
we
had
really
planned
that
this
we
weren't
actually
looking
for
a
resolution
tonight
we
saw
this
as
a
sort
of
reintroduction
to
bring
you
up
to
speed
because
it's
been
such
a
long
time
since
we
saw
you
last
and
we
will
be
going
to
the
city
planning
board
soon.
So
this
is
really
here
is
an
intro.
That's
in
tandem
with
that
that
next
step
with
the
planning
board
for
pre-app
meeting.
A
D
H
D
N
Oh
okay,
all
right
cam!
Can
you
is
it
a?
Can
we
just
get
started?
Okay,
so
Hey
everybody
thanks
for
having
us
again
last
time
around.
You
know
everyone
would
generally
not
quite
on
board
with
the
designs
we
presented,
we
went.
We
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
really
tried
to
address
a
few
main
concerns.
N
I
think
the
first
was
scale,
so
you
know
we
sharpened
our
pencils
and
tried
to
cut
down
the
square
footage
in
both
projects
as
much
as
possible
while
maintaining
program
you
know
at
601,
I
think
you
know
it's
still
a
bit
bigger
than
the
existing
building,
but
we
think
it's
in
context
with
the
rest
of
the
the
area.
200
is
a
lot
closer
to
the
building.
N
We
tried
to
address
the
austerity
of
the
buildings
by
adding
a
significant,
significantly
more
level
of
detail
and
just
try
to
improve
our
image
quality,
to
better
express
to
you,
our
design,
intent
with
some
of
the
trim
that
we
had
already
had
sort
of
in
in
the
design.
N
N
So
those
were
our
goals
tonight
with
that
I'll
just
try
to
go
through
601,
quick,
so
cam
can
you
maybe
move
through
the
description
and
the
the
zoning
summary?
None
of
this
has
changed.
N
N
So
you
can
sort
of
see
this
is
very
large
scale,
but
you
can
sort
of
see
our
site
on
the
corner
of
State
in
Ferris.
You
know
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
try
to
pull
some
inspiration
from
the
surrounding
District.
To
give
you
a
sense
of
what
we
were
drawing.
Inspiration
from
this
is
110
Ferris
place
almost
immediately
adjacent
to
our
site.
We
really
loved
the
roof
shape.
N
We
loved
the
the
double
columns
in
the
porch,
the
sort
of
ornate
porch,
and
then
we
found
in
a
lot
of
these
that
the
the
fields,
the
field
of
siding,
actually
they
they
keep
that
fairly
simple
in
these
projects
and
save
a
lot
of
the
detail
for
the
windows,
the
cornice
and
a
really
ornate
porch.
So
we
kind
of
Drew
inspiration
from
this.
This
is
on
the
corner.
Sorry
just
go
back
one
yeah
there
cam!
This
is
on
the
corner,
sort
of
opposite
our
projects
on
State
Street.
N
This
is
you
know,
a
fairly
large
Square
home
around
a
2200
square
footprint
for
that
main
upper
roof.
Just
for
reference,
you
know
moving
forward.
This
is
around
the
corner
and
down
State
Street.
A
little
bit
further,
this
is
around
a
26,
100
square
foot,
roof
footprint
and
again
it's
a
fairly
simple
siding,
feel
with
ornate
window
detailing
a
really
developed,
cornice
and
kind
of
a
funky
front
porch,
it's
obviously
been
significantly
modified,
but
you
can
imagine
it's
historic.
N
You
know
feel
continuing
forward
a
little
bit
further
away.
Just
in
the
same
vein,
you
know
drawing
inspiration
from
these
large
sort
of
italianate
and
four
square
homes.
A
lot
of
the
same
detailing
this
is
these.
These
next
two
are
much
larger
projects
and
a
bit
further
away.
This
house
I
mean
this
is
such
a
beautiful
project.
N
N
So
moving
on
to
our
site,
we
kind
of
zoomed
in
a
little
bit
further
next
slide
yeah
and
wanted
to
try
to
demonstrate
that
our
current
footprint,
you
can
see
the
current
house
on
the
corner
of
Ferris
and
our
footprint
next
to
it.
We're
we're
a
bit
more
in
keeping
now
we're
larger
than
the
homes
immediately
adjacent
to
us,
but
we're
kind
of
in
keeping
with
the
scale
of
the
home
across
the
street
on
the
other
side
of
Ferris,
the
two
larger
homes.
N
Further
down
the
block
on
Ferris
place,
the
the
large
home
across
the
street
that
we
showed
as
a
precedent
and
some
of
the
homes
as
you
move
down,
State
Street
around
the
corner
from
our
project.
N
So
looking
at
our
site,
more
specifically,
again,
just
to
reiterate,
you
know
we're
building
in
the
rear
yard
of
this
home
of
this
lot.
So
we'll
need
a
variance
for
this
project,
so
you
can
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
our
overall
roof
plan.
You
know
we
sort
of
changed
the
proportions
a
little
bit
and
we're
proposing
a
really
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
pure
Square.
Now,
with
a
with
a
pyramidal
roof.
N
The
next
slide
the
next
slide
sort
of
gives
you
a
summary
of
the
reductions
we've
made.
So
the
existing
building
is
a
around
a
1400
Square
footprint.
It's
got
a
you
know:
1700
square
foot,
roof
footprint
and
is
around
3
3
500
square
feet.
Our
previous
design
had
a
2500
square
footprint,
a
3
000
square
foot,
roof
footprint
and
7
400
square
feet
in
floor
area.
N
Looking
at
the
floor
plans,
we
you
know
the
last
time
you'll
recall.
We
had
a
really
symmetrical
kind
of
pure
pure
floor
plan
layout
and
we
tried
to
sort
of
break
out
of
our
Cornell
architects
analytical
minds
and
and
try
to
break
up
the
floor
plan
a
little
bit
and
provide
a
little
bit
more
variation,
and
that's
primarily
allowed
us
create
this.
N
This
cutout
on
the
corner
of
the
home
that
faces
the
corner
of
state
and
Ferris
to
really
create
an
architectural
gesture,
speaks
to
that
corner
condition
and
really
creates
a
unique
experience.
When
you
view
the
building
from
the
corner
of
state
and
Ferris,
and
so
you
know,
we
also
previously
sort
of
had
a
large
sort
of
secondary,
you
know
quote-unquote
addition
on
the
back
of
the
building.
N
We
we
reduce
this
there's
now
like
a
smaller
bedroom
that
pokes
off
the
back
end
of
the
house
on
the
the
street
level.
The
second.
This
is
the
second
floor
and
then,
as
you
move
through
to
the
second
floor,
can
you
push
the
next
slide?
Cam
the
the
footprint
becomes
square
and
really
sort
of
a
bit
more
pure
to
relate
to
that
square.
N
Pure
square
roof
design,
you
know,
and
the
the
living
rooms
will
sort
of
shift
to
the
middle
of
the
floor
plan
on
the
the
north
side
to
sort
of
give
views
sort
of
up
to
that
corner,
and
then
it's
put
onto
the
floor
of
a
basement.
We
actually
flip
the
floor
plan
on
the
basement
and
move
the
Living
Spaces
to
the
West
Side,
so
that
you
know
it
would
activate
the
backside,
the
lower
back
side
of
this
building
and
create
more
placing
and
opening
to
that
sort
of
rear,
ER
property.
N
So
you
know
starting
to
die
the
design,
maybe
just
skip
to
the
next
slide,
Kim,
where
it's
a
little
bit
larger.
So
some
things
we've
changed
since
you
last
saw
the
project.
N
The
big
move
was
the
articulation
of
the
ground
floor
to
carve
out
the
space
for
the
wraparound
porch
to
really
create
some
presence
and
interest
from
that
corner
of
of
State.
In
Ferris,
we've
we've
bumped
out
the
living
space
on
the
ground
floor
to
create
a
large
sort
of
triple
window
there
to
also
sort
of
create
a
bit
more
interest,
we're
still
proposing
a
flat
roof
with
green
roof.
N
On
top
just
to
give
it
a
little
bit
of
a
modern
patch,
but
we've
we've
removed
the
timber
frame
porch
and
our
proposing
you
know
trimmed
posts.
So
we
have
this
sort
of
recessed
column
detail.
You
know
where,
where
the
main
panel
sets
back,
we
have
you
know
a
lower
man
of
horizontal
trim
at
the
ceiling
and
then
the
upper
roof
plate,
we're
thinking
of
natural
wood
ceiling
porch,
which
is
a
little
bit
more
consistent
with
what
you'd
see
historically
and
still
gives
us
that
of
warmth.
N
We
were
hoping
for
we've
separated
the
entrances
so
that
you
get
a
little
bit
of
of
reading
of
this
as
a
multi-family
building,
but
then
try
to
give
a
little
bit
of
contrast
to
that
with
the
upper
band,
keeping
that
a
little
bit
more
more
rhythmic
and
simple.
N
So
then
our
details,
our
Windows,
you
know
we
imagine
doing
a
like
flat
stock
painted
trim
around
the
window
with
a
raised
Edge
adjacent
to
that
so
you'd
almost
get.
You
know
some
relief
between
the
primary
piece
of
trim
and
the
secondary
piece
of
trim
wrapping
around
that
just
to
create
a
you
know,
a
contemporary
play
on
some
of
these
built
up,
trim,
details,
you'd,
see
in
a
kind
of
true
you
see
the
belly,
the
two
courses
of
the
belly
band
running
around
the
top
and
then
moving
up
these.
N
N
Thank
you,
Brian.
The
you
know
a
little
bit
more
of
a
I've
seen
on
many
of
those
historic
cornices
that
we
presented
as
presidents.
B
N
It's
then,
starting
to
just
you,
know,
take
a
few
more
Peaks
building.
This
would
be
the
back
side,
so
you
can
start
to
see.
We
tried
to
break
down
the
large
mass
of
that
building
on
the
west
side,
with
the
one
story
bump
out
on
the
ground
floor
that
captures
the
living
spaces
for
the
basement
units
and
then
that
single
bedroom
that
sort
of
Pops
off
so
you
sort
of
get
this
back.
N
Edition
is
a
little
bit
more
in
keeping
with
some
of
the
playfulness
of
the
the
rest
of
the
buildings
you
see
on
that
street,
where
they
have
these
smaller
additions
on
the
backsides
that
don't
quite
match
the
simple
Square
rectangular
forms
of
the
main
building-
and
these
are
just
a
couple
more
views
from
the
corner
of
Ericsson
State.
You
know
we're
still
thinking
a
stucco
base.
N
You
know,
we've,
we've
sort
of
the
trims
become
a
lot
more
articulate,
so
I
think
we're.
Actually
thinking
painted
wood
trim
with
a
real
painted
wood
clapboard
is
is
kind
of
the
material
palette
that
were
thinking
about
right
now.
N
This
is
a
view
from
town
Ferris.
We
still
need
to
work
on
our
site
plan
development.
A
little
bit.
I
know
parking
was
an
issue
for
you
guys.
Last
time,
I
we
wanted
to
talk
to
planning
board
a
little
bit
about
the
plan
and
what
makes
sense
there
before
we
sort
of
finalize
all
that
yeah
I
think
that's.
N
O
K
N
N
N
Of
keeping
to
not
have
corner
boards-
and
we
kind
of
liked
sort
of
expressing
that
the
horizontality
of
those
bands
wrapping
wrapping
around,
but
it's
not
a
hill
I'd
die
on.
If
you
guys
can
feel
very
passionate,
the
windows
are
casements.
Yes,
so
yeah,
we
imagine
casement
windows,
you
know
probably
aluminum
clad,
would.
G
J
I,
don't
want
to
be
the
the
Grinch
here,
but
I'm
afraid
I'm
going
to
be
before
we
start
talking
about
details.
I
think
we
ought
to
talk
about
whether
it
should
be
built
at
all
and
I
I
expressed
this
last
time.
I'll
speak
to
a
little
more
fully
the
fairest
place.
Is
you
know
it's
a
little
street,
but
in
fact
it
is
a
significant
thoroughfare
between
East
Hill
and
South
Hill
via
the
Columbia
Street
Bridge.
J
The
backyard
feels
like
a
little
Oasis
as
you
go
by
and
I
would
take
that
as
a
character
to
find
a
feature
of
the
neighborhood.
Moreover,
I
I
don't
know
if
this
it's,
if
the
first
house
that
would
be
concealed
there
is
is
a
hundred
is
that
100,
Ferris
and
then
hundred.
J
That's
that's
a
very
sweet
house
which
is
pleasing
to
see
as
again
I
mean
speaking
of
the
other
main
thoroughfare
in
and
out
of
town
is
East
East
State
Street
Martin
Luther
King
Street,
and
that
is
a
very,
very
pleasing
and
gratifying
view
to
the
South,
especially
as
you
pass
college
town
Terrace
I
mean
it's,
it's
an
open,
it's
lovely!
It's
it's
a
special
moment
as
you
enter
town
and
I
would
not
support.
Building
there
and
I'm.
J
N
That's
fair:
we
appreciate
that
I
will
make
a
counter
sort
of
point
just
for
the
rest
of
you
to
consider.
I
haven't
lived
here.
I
haven't
been
here,
probably
as
long
as
you,
but
I
I
did
start
school
in
2003
and
it
lived
in
that
area
for
a
lot
of
the
time.
I
spent
at
Cornell
and
after
so
I've
walked
that
well
and
I
actually
had
a
counter
feeling
to
that,
like
it's
always
felt
like
a
hole
in
the
urban
fabric.
To
me
and
State
Street
is
a
really
like
wide
kind
of
expansive.
N
Urban
space
like
the
street
is
wide.
It
feels
very
open
and
I
do
feel
like.
It
feels
a
little
strange
to
have
this
whole.
This
little
pocket,
Green
Space,
that
close
to
that
wide
open
space
of
State
Street
like
I,
would
definitely
like
feel
I
would
definitely
like
feel
that
way,
a
little
bit
more
strongly
if
this
space
was
two
or
three
houses
down,
so
that,
like
you,
had
a
sense
of
solid
Urban,
Fabric
and
and
then
got
a
break
from
it,
but
driving
down
State
Street.
N
It
really
feels
like
a
hole,
and
you
kind
of
see
into
the
backs
of
a
lot
of
the
buildings
that
run
down
State
Street,
which
isn't
the
most
slightly
appearance.
So
I,
don't
know.
I
I
definitely
understand
where
you're
coming
from
and
respect
that,
and
you
know,
if
you
have
to
say
no,
you
have
to
say
no
but
I,
definitely
think.
There's
a
planning
argument
and
a
spatial
experience
argument
that
that
the
experience
of
that
street
could
benefit
from
there
being
solid
instead
of
void
there
like
if
I
was
gonna
like
Urban
plan.
J
And
I
I
appreciate
your.
You
know
your
your
further
comments,
which
really
do
make
good
sense,
but
one
of
the
things
that
you
get
as
not
not
from
State
Street
but
walking
down
Ferris
is
is
the
view
down
to
Elston
place,
which
does
feel
like
a
park,
and
it's
this.
This
open,
appealing,
very
sweet
and
special,
practically
a
kind
of
Oasis
right
there
in
the
in
the
center
of
town.
It's
a
center
I
I
I.
J
J
Think
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
great
building
and
you
know
and
I
appreciate
that
you
guys
you
know
and
are
the
stewards
of
it
and
I
I,
just
don't
see
it
being
served
by
what
you
propose
in
in
the
backyard
and
I
think
you
know
you're
going
to
have
other
problems
besides
me
with
with
Zone.
F
Well,
the
first
comment
I
was
gonna.
Make
was
it
was,
is
on
the
building,
which
I
think
is
definitely
an
improvement.
I
think
the
last
one
breaking
up
the
planes
of
the
surface
and
the
corbels
brackets
in
the
and
the
porridge
that
seems
better
integrated
and
with
the
rest
of
the
building.
In
my
opinion
and
I,
think
it's
a
nicer
design.
It
would
be
actually
nice
I
I
couldn't
dig
up
my
picture
of
the
previous
design.
F
It
would
be
nice
just
take
a
quick
look
at
it
to
see
the
difference
and
also,
let's
see
well,
you
made
me
start.
You
know,
thinking
more
about
the
space
and
the
the
openness
and
I
suppose
I
I
don't
have
the
same
objection
that
you
have
I'm
just
thinking
of
it
as
in
this
you
know
the
consistency
of
how
developed
this
area
is.
It
seems
like
it's
acceptable,
to
have
another
structure
there
and
it
wouldn't
make
it
more
dense
than
the
surrounding
area.
F
If
we're
not
voting
on
The
Resolution
tonight,
then
I
will
take
another
walk
through
there
and
think
more
about
it.
But
right
now
and
I,
don't
I.
Don't
think
I
have
the
same
concern
about
that,
but
yeah
I,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
see
a
picture
of
the
previous
design
as
well.
M
But
I
agree
that
it's
a
much
much
improved
and
yeah
I
like
I,
like
the
porch
I,
like
the
the
different
I,
don't
know
angles
and
windows.
M
I
do
also
appreciate
that
it
was
very
open
before
just
like
looking
at
photos
online
I
do
the
fact
that
there's
still
that
significant
slope
that
goes
down
towards
601.
For
me,
that
is
like
very
helpful
for,
like
keeping
some,
you
know
large
green
space
but
yeah,
but
also
wanna,
to
go
look
over
there
and
you
know,
rethink
that.
But
that's
more
of
my
instinct,
the
fact
that
there
is
still
that
significant
slope
downwards
yeah
helps
the
you
know
keep
some
of
that
openness
up.
L
I
agree
that
it's
an
improvement
over
the
last
drawings
that
you
have
but
I
think
it's
too
large
in
fitting
the
mass
and
sizing
the
scale
of
other
things
that
are
there
right
in
that
little
neighborhood.
It's
it's
big,
it's
scaled
down,
but
it's
still
a
lot
bigger
than
the
building.
L
That's
there
and
I
appreciate
the
design
here,
but
I
think
that
we're
focused
on
filling
in
space
that
I
think
I'm
very
concerned
about
taking
a
beautiful
lawn
like
that
is
and
filling
it
up
with
something,
maybe
something
smaller,
but
certainly
not
this
as
big
as
this
one,
because
it's
really
it's
a
lot
bigger
than
the
one.
That's
there
now
more
than
what
you're
proposing,
but
still.
N
Yeah,
but
you
don't
feel
like
I
guess,
I'm
confused
by
like
the
like
it
needing
to
have
such
a
strong
scalar
relationship
to
the
building
that
it
shares.
It's
a
immediate
sight
with,
like
it's
it's
in
scale
with
the
building
across
this
basically
directly
across
the
street,
from
it
on
Ferris
place,
is
significantly
larger
than
it
and
most
of
the
buildings
on
that
street
and
then
even
like
jumping
across
601
and
the
president.
N
N
You
wouldn't
want
each
building
like
the
goal
is
in
each
building
to
be
the
same
size
they
need
to
have
like
they
need
to
be
within
scale
with
each
other,
but
you
need
some
variety
in
that.
So
I
just
you
know,
and
if
you
feel
the
way
you
feel
that's,
that's
100,
fine,
I,
just
I
just
wanted
to
push
it
a
little
bit
to
know
like
you
know
like
how
do
we
need
to
yeah
like
how
far
do
we
need
to
go
so
and
I'd
be
interested
in
your
your
feedback
on
that?
G
N
N
Charlie
is
providing
parking,
Within
500
square
feet,
so
it'd
be
off-site
parking.
We
were
trying
to
keep
a
couple
spaces
the
existing
spaces
up
by
the
road
that
I
know
you
guys
weren't
a
fan
of
I
think
the
only
benefit
to
those
is
those
could
be
accessible
parking
spots
and
our
grade
floor
is
accessible,
which
is
something
that's
unique
in
a
place
in
a
place
like
this,
which
I
think
it
has
value.
It's
not
aesthetically
ideal,
but
I
do
think.
N
A
But
no
I
appreciate
the
improved
design,
but
I
mean
I
have
mixed
feelings
also
about
how
much
is
this
changing
the
character
of
the
street
and
the
neighborhood
I'm
glad
we're
not
voting
on
this
tonight,
because
I
I
do
want
to
explore
that
a
little
more
I
think
the
fact
you
have
downsized
it.
Some
makes
it
more
acceptable.
A
I
think
it
could
improve
the
design
somewhat
more,
but
you're
still
working
on
that.
This
is
not
your
final
design,
I'm
assuming
and
it's
been
a
few
months
since
we
saw
the
original
that
you
had
presented.
We
don't
have
a
copy
of
that
with
me
right
now
to
even
look
and
see
how
much
you've
changed.
A
I
do
appreciate
what
you've
done
here,
but
I'm
glad
I'm
not
quite
ready
to
explode
on
this.
K
N
J
F
N
You
hear
me
yeah,
okay,
it
looks
like
overall,
it
was
like
54
feet
by
48
feet:
yeah,
okay
and
yeah.
N
We
sort
of
had
the
smaller
front
porch,
you
know
none
of
the
articulation
around
that
corner
and
then
the
you
know
just
the
single
line,
tree
door,
yeah
I.
Think
part
of
the
problem
was
the
graphics
of
this
presentation
too,
and
then
really
like
this
west
facing
facade.
N
We
had
sort
of
that
enormous
back
addition
which
we've
really
sort
of
so
we
crunched
the
big
square
and
we
really
cut
down
that
that
back
Edition
and
yeah
and
kind
of
you
know
we
had
a
more
rectangular
roof
and
we
kind
of
went
to
the
pure
Square
sort
of
pyramid.
B
We
can
we
can
do
one
or
a
few
things
if
we're
not
ready
to
vote
tonight.
We
can
always
open
the
public
hearing
at
the
next
meeting.
If
this
is
presented
or
we
can
open
it
tonight
and
leave
it
open
and
like
we
did
with
McGraw
Hall.
A
D
P
You
know
I
I,
support,
density,
I,
think
we're
a
growing
City.
You
know,
while
I
appreciate
having
like
this
additional
lawn
area,
I
mean
it's
an
opportunity.
As
for
us
to
much
better
utilize,
the
space,
you
know
there's
an
opportunity,
for
you
know:
18
people
to
live
there
in
safe,
new,
modern
housing.
P
P
That's
the
goal,
obviously
in
which
I
would
like
to
try
to
figure
out
I'm,
hoping
that
maybe
we
can
get
a
little
bit
more
feedback
on.
You
know
what
we
could
do
to
gain
some
support.
P
You
know
I'm
hearing
like
make
it
smaller,
but
not
exactly
like
what
we'd
want
to
see
like
to
make
it
smaller
and
I.
Guess:
I'm,
not
really
sure
where
or
you
know,
I
want
to
kind
of
figure
out
if
I
should
still
continue
working
on
this
and
if
I
can
gain
some
support
to
go
to
the
planning
board
or
if
we
should
just
probably
stop
focusing
on
this.
P
So
without
I
guess
voting
if
I
could
get
a
little
bit
more
feedback
of,
maybe
where
which
direction
I
could
go
to
gain
your
support.
That
would
be
much
appreciated
and
if
it's
just
like
a
a
definite
note,
then
you
know
I
appreciate
your
consideration
and
you
know:
I'll
continue
to
focus
on
other
things.
P
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
one
thing
too
I
mean
you
know
we
bought
a
lot
from
the
city
back
in
2015,
maybe
be
helpful
for
us
to
just
show
too,
because
I
I've
gotten
tremendous
feedback
from
that
it
was
a
vacant
lot
at
707,
East,
Seneca
Street.
P
So,
if
you're
coming
down
like,
if
you
coming
down
Quarry
from
State
and
you
took
a
left
onto
East
Seneca,
it's
the
it's
the
second
house
on
the
left
and
we
had
tons
of
compliments
from
you,
know
neighbors
and
people
coming
by
and
in
fact
it
was.
It
was
really
nice
to
even
hear
we
had
a
lot
of
people
compliment
us
on
the
idea
when
they
came
by
and
said
it's
so
wonderfully
how
you've
restored
this
historic
building,
and
we
actually
said
it's
we're
not
actually
restoring
a
historic
building.
P
This
is
a
new
building
that
we're
building.
That
was
a
vacant
lot
and
sort
of
the
feedback
we
got.
It
was
kind
of
like
you
know.
This
was
a
missing
tooth
that
you
guys
had
filled
in
and
it
kind
of
completed
the
smile
of
the
street.
You
know
so
I
think
that
you
know
this
sort
of
gives
us
that
same
opportunity
to
put
a
structure
in
here,
and
you
know
it's
been
a
great
building.
You
know
it's
a
new
building,
it's
safe,
it's
I
think
we're
sprinkling
this
building
to.
G
P
P
And
in
fact,
that
building
won
a
pride
of
ownership
in
2015
when
we
built
it
from
the
city,
so
it
is
a
building,
we're
proud
of
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
show
it
I
think
it
did
sort
of
complement
the
street
and
it
was
a
beautiful
addition
and
it's
very
similar
Nation
in
nature
to
this
building.
P
You
know
it's
a
three-story
building
that
is
six
units
with
18
bedrooms,
exactly
like
this
building
here
and
I
think
that
it
does
fit
in
very
well
in
the
character
of
the
surrounding
sizes
of
the
other
houses
throughout.
You
know
this
area
I
mean
we
own
several
buildings
in
this
area
and
it's
kind
of
a
it's
it's
in
the
range
of
a
lot
of
these
other
buildings
that
we
own
size
wise.
In
fact,
it's
even
a
bit
smaller
than
some
of
these
other
ones.
So.
J
Responding
to
your
comment,
I
I,
really
like
the
Seneca,
Street,
Building
I,
think
you
know
you
guys
did
a
great
job
I
think
we
did
a
great
job,
helping
you
bring
it
to
to
what
it
is
I
think
just
all
around
it.
That
was
very,
very
successful
and
it
and
it
and
it
it
does
complete
that
room.
But
I,
don't
see
this.
This
building
on
Ferris
serving
serving
the
same
happy
function
of
completing
row.
J
I
see
it
I
see
it
really
detracting
from
something
that's
already
already
quite
beautiful
and
and
character,
defining
in
in
a
neighborhood
and
in
an
interview.
K
Leave
the
building
on
Seneca
Street
was
cited
as
blocking
the
view
from
the
next
one
up
on
the
corner
and
being
a
reason
why
infilling
that
Port
should
be
allowed
because
nobody
wants
to
look
out
that
porch,
because
there's
a
building
blocking
the
view.
I
think
that
was
summary
of
what
we
discussed
about
him
six
months
ago,
yeah
I,
I
think
I
think
that
one's
too
tall
and
I
I
disagree
with
David
I.
Don't
really
like
that
building
very
much
so
but
I'm
glad
it's
one
of
the
neighbors
do.
K
As
far
as
the
design,
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
not
sure
the
the
inset
corner
of
the
main
Mass
with
the
porch
coming
around
and
then
being
inset
I
guess,
there's
some
inset
porches
on
the
601.
So
maybe
it's
trying
to
Riff
on
that
a
little
bit.
But
but
it
seems
weird
for
a
more
like
Italian,
eight
four
square
to
have
that
cutaway
corner
from
the
main
Mass
I.
Don't
think
I've
ever
seen
that
before,
but
no
I
don't
know,
I
I,
don't
really
know
what
to
say
really.
K
In
your
presentation,
you
said
you
were
really
trying
to
interpret
the
really
fancy
detailed,
porches
and
windows,
certain
door
surrounds
and,
and
maybe
it
could,
but
it
sort
of
came
out
little,
not
really
fancy
and
decorated.
So
the
plain
I
don't
know
with
the
detailing
of
the
porch
is
the
detailing
of
the
is
not
really
that
as
ornate
as
the
example
is
the
issue.
N
N
K
K
A
A
But
I
think
we
all
have
a
little
bit
of
a
an
uneasiness
about
the
infill
and
we're
seeing
that
all
over
town
and
I'm
getting
concerned
about
it.
A
It's
happening
in
Fall
Creek,
it's
happening
on
South
side,
it's
happening
in
various
places
and
okay,
I
understand
densification
is
what's
being
accepted
and
pushed
right
now,
but
in
the
long
run,
is
that
really
the
best
approach
for
a
neighborhood
like
this,
like
Forest
Place,
and
that
that's
really
what's
making
me
uncomfortable
about
this
whole
project
and
what
you're
doing
what's
being
proposed
up
in
Cornell
Heights?
All
right?
That's
that
it's
in
okay
with
that
general
area,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
but
this
I'm
not
so
sure
about
that.
D
N
K
N
Get
drones
of
the
building?
Okay,.
B
About
the
East
Hill
historic
district,
it
is,
you
know,
one
of
the
first
historic
districts
in
the
city,
and
it's
also
one
of
the
first
neighborhoods
in
the
city
that
grew
and
incrementally
over
time,
based
on
various
influences.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
the
houses
that
are
shown
in
the
presentation
at
one
time
had
huge
lots
that
were
subdivided
over
time
to
allow
other
homes
to
be
built
within
the
district
and
those
the
homes
later
became
a
part
of
what
made
the
character
of
the
East
Hill
historic
district.
B
What
it
is
so
this
isn't
in
terms
of
development
on
the
hill,
this
using
the
rear
portion
of
this
lot
to
create
a
new
building,
isn't
out
of
character
with
what
happened
historically
in
the
historic
district,
whether
the
building
is
appropriate
for
the
site,
whether
it's
too
big
I
I
can't
speak
to
that.
But
I
did
want
to
give
a
little
context
about
how
the
develop
the
the
historic
district
developed
over
time
and
how
projects
just
like
this
happened
almost
starting
with
the
the
earliest
development
on
the
hill.
So.
F
Yeah
I
suppose
it'll
be
on.
You
know
if
that
was
my
house
there
now
I'd
want
to
keep
backyard,
but
but
but
as
far
as
keeping
the
backyard
of
the
house
on
the
corner,
I
mean
just
looking
at
the
map.
Here,
it's
it's.
It's
pretty
common.
It's
almost
the
norm
for
the
houses
on
the
corners
to
not
have
much
of
a
backyard
with
the
houses
in
the
middle
of
the
block
that
have
more
of
a
backyard.
So
I
don't
feel
like.
That's
really,
you
know
be
disappointing.
F
P
Pretty
no,
that's
absolutely
true,
because
the
neighboring
Deck
Store
at
531a,
State
Street,
has
a
bigger
backyard
and
that's
exactly
what
it's
used
for,
and
you
know,
while
I
was
managing
construction
at
601,
East,
State,
Street,
okay,
pull
up
the
kids
service,
Solo
cups,
all
over
the
backyard.
It
was
a
happiness.
Yeah.
I
would
like
to
note
too
going
up.
P
East
State
Street
from
the
500
block
through
the
600
block,
going
down
Ferris
place
and
wrapping
around
on
South
Quarry
and
up
north
Quarry
I'm,
aware
of
only
two
owner-occupied
homeowners
in
in
all
of
those
houses,
I'm
familiar
with
every
one
of
the
other
buildings
throughout
this
area,
and
they
all
are
apartment
buildings
and
other
than
these.
Two
that
I'm
aware
of
and
they're
all
students,
and
they
don't
really
have
large
backyards.
So.
P
Look:
this
is
very
helpful
if
you're
with
some
feedback,
Jan
and
I'm
still
kind
of
do.
Are
you
comfortable
sharing
any
any
thoughts
and
ideas
and.
M
M
Yeah
there,
but
okay
and
I
definitely
appreciate
Ryan's
comments.
You
know
in
development
in
these
areas,
so
I.
J
Well,
I'd
also
like
to
respond
to
Brian's
comment
and
my
my
understanding.
You
know
as
I
look
at
the
buildings
in
the
immediate
surrounding
it's
true
I
mean
I.
You
know
522
East
state
that
that
was
a
grand
house
and
they've
had
a
big
lot,
but
the
infill
ended
110
years
ago
and
as
we
designate
the
historic
district
and
an
attempt
to
retain
this
historic
character,
I
think
it's
good
to
keep
that
in
mind
that
the
process
you
described
ended
over
a
century
ago.
D
N
I
can
I
just
say:
I
actually
can't
hear
anyone
on
avi's
side
of
the
room.
K
F
M
J
Well,
I
I
began
our
last
discussion
with
such
a
negative
comment.
I
know
that
okay,
but
but
I,
feel
very
positively
about
this
one,
it
it's.
It
seems
a
legal
fiction
that
that
what
you
are
proposing
is
in
a
is
an
extension
expansion
that
it's
you
know
that's
continuation
of
the
same
house
but
I
I,
like
the
look
of
it
I
think
it
works
on
the
site
and
if
you
can
make
the
the
technical
fiction
July.
N
I
can't
remember
which
project
you
said
had
you
sorry
for
it:
I've
utilized
the
similar,
a
similar
structural
strategy,
but
but
yeah
I
mean
typically
you'd,
be
wanting
to
separate
the
fire
areas
to
avoid
things
like
having
to
bring
the
existing
building
up
to
code,
but
in
this
case
we're
treating
the
buildings
as
one
building
and
fire
area,
which
has
the
added
benefit
of
bringing
the
existing
building
up
to
code,
so
sprinklering
the
existing
building.
N
N
That's
the
roof
footprint
the
house
Footprints
only
1300
and
the
total
building
area
is
around
3
100.,
the
previous
design.
Our
roof
footprint
was
2500
square
feet.
N
N
You
know
a
chunk
of
which
is
just
the
larger
porch.
The
house
Footprints
at
13.75
is
almost
identical
to
the
existing
house,
and
the
total
building
area
is
3
500
square
feet.
It's
also
really
close
to
the
existing
I
think
the
difference
the
Delta
there
is
really
a
better,
a
more
efficient
use
of
the
attic
space
because
of
modern
framing
methods.
N
So
and
then
in
some
later
side,
slides
you'll,
see
you
don't
have
to
jump
ahead
that
far
yet
can
we
can
show
it
at
the
end,
but
basically
our
Peak
width
is
a
little
smaller
than
the
existing
building.
The
peak
that
faces
the
road
and
the
peak
Heights
match
so
from
the
from
Highland.
They
should
really
feel
very
complementary.
N
So
then
you
know
the
so
some
of
the
floor
plan
tweaks
we
made
we
really
just
tightened
everything
up
and
sort
of
you
know
on
the
ground
floor,
utilized
a
bump
out
towards
the
existing
building
to
house
the
the
Living
Spaces
and
then
sort
of
arrayed
the
bedrooms
around
it
and
kind
of
kicked
and
kicked
one
out
just
to
create.
N
N
The
the
living
space
moves
to
the
right
side
of
the
plan
and
sort
of
looks
out
the
corner
down
Highland,
with
simple
bedrooms
around
the
back
and
then
on
the
third
floor.
We
inhabit
the
attic
with
the
living
space
facing
out
the
back
of
the
property,
so
then
jumping
into
the
3D.
N
We
really
took
inspiration
from
the
existing
building.
You
know.
First,
we
tried
to
just
be
a
little
bit
more
fun
and
decided
to
pull
the
yellow
color
through,
even
though
color
is
not
sort
of
part
of
the
game,
but
it
just
obviously
livens
up
the
building
a
bit
we
brought.
N
We
really
like
the
chemo
teeth
we
picked
up
was
the
the
expressed
sort
of
triangle
of
the
existing
roof,
and
so
we
we
pulled
our
main
roof
Peak
out
and-
and
we
actually
brought
the
plane
of
the
facade
forward
and
then
recessed
a
sliding
door
back
at
the
plane
of
the
the
second
floor,
facade
which
gives
us
a
little
sort
of
Juliet
Balcony.
N
So,
instead
of
a
window
there,
we
sort
of
have
this
ability
to
open
up,
and
you
know
have
a
little
bit
of
exterior
space.
And
then
we
repeated
that
Motif
sort
of
for
the
second
floor
living
space
on
the
right
side.
You
see
there
and
then
on
the
on
the
back
side,
and
so
we
really
just
you
know,
picked
up.
We
tried
to
pick
up
the
same
porch
Rhythm.
N
We
kept
the
columns
simple
here
because
they're
kind
of
simple
on
the
existing
building,
we
thought
it'd
be
nice
to
open
the
railing
up
a
bit
just
because
I
I
can't
believe
that
the
the
solid
railing
was
sort
of
original
to
the
building.
N
Maybe
it
is
but
it's
hard
to
believe
that
they
would
have
like
a
plywood,
solid
rail
and
that
you
know,
and
then
we
were
sort
of
trying
to
introduce
some
shake
on
the
upper
facade
and
on
the
bump
outs,
to
sort
of
bring
some
of
that
material
difference
in
in
articulation
that
you
guys
were
talking
about
the
previous
time.
N
N
N
N
It's
a
nice
contemporary
Twist
on
a
classic
detail
and
no
one
really
likes
to
look
at
sort
of
flat
membrane,
Roofing
or
you
know,
low
slope,
standing
scene,
yeah
I
think
that
basically
sort
of
sums
up
this
building.
If
you
keep
rolling
through
cam,
you
can
just
see
we're
sort
of
thinking
like
spin
trim,
thin
brown
trim
around
the
windows
and
the
clapboard
areas
and
and
a
thicker
trim
band
around
the
windows
and
openings
and
the
shake
just
to
create
a
a
sort
of
level
difference
there.
N
Here
you
can
see
sort
of
the
the
width
dimensions
of
the
main
facade
as
it
faces
the
street
they're
sort
of
very
comparable
in
the
in
the
peak
Heights
line
and
the
slopes
match.
So
you
know
we
really
tried
to
create
a
project.
It
wasn't
an
exact
copy,
but
it
was
kind
of
a
a
modern
twist.
That
was,
we
tried
to
be
really
playful
and
fun
and
sort
of.
Let
go
a
little
bit
with
this
one
and
yeah.
That's
it.
N
N
Yeah
yeah
they
just
they
come
back.
You
see
them
in
some
of
the
like
the
hospital
over
the
surgery
Wing
between
the
two.
They
have
a
big
green
roof
out.
The
back
there.
D
L
J
The
the
original
building
is
a
lovely
building,
but
across
the
street
it's
it's
it's
a
hideosity
and
in
fact
you
you
would
be.
You
would
be
really
beautifying
the
that
area
with
your
with
your
building.
That
is
a
real
distinction
between
the
two
proposals.
K
Will
this
one
need
a
zoning
variance
or,
or
is
it.
N
It
does
not
actually
so
it's
just
planning
site
plan
approval,
because
it's
a
fairly
large
lot,
and
that
was
the
reason
for
the
treating
it
as
a
single
building.
D
K
N
This
is
a
very
different
Zone
too.
This
is
residential,
multi-family
Ru,
which
kind
of
has
different
like
they
require
more
lock
coverage
for
one
building,
whereas
the
Zone
we
were
in
that,
like
we
had
enough
lot
coverage
to
build
two
buildings
in
in
that
zone,
we
just
it
was
the
setback
that
we
needed
the
variants
for
so
here,
even
though
this
is
a
bigger
law,
they
require
more
a
lot
for
yeah.
It's
it's
listed
there.
N
It's
like
16,
500
square
feet
is
needed
for
the
first
one
to
three
units
of
a
dwelling,
so
you
need
a
32
000
square
foot
lot
to
build
two
primary
structures,
but
by
making
it
a
single
building,
you
know
we
have
I.
Think
is
it?
Is
it
five
units
cam
yeah
yeah?
So
it's
you
know.
You
need
1500
square
feet
for
each
additional
unit,
so
you
know
we
need
basically
19
500
square
feet
for
five
units
which
we
have
so
that
was
kind
of
what
set
the
unit
mix.
N
And
the
existing
building
is
actually
it's
like
an
11
room,
sort
of
more
boarding,
house
style
building
and
we're
converting
that
to
separate
Apartments
so
that
actually
becomes
a
little
bit
more
livable
and
rentable
and
nice,
like
sort
of
renting
by
room
to
students,
is
always
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
nightmare.
Or
you
know
Finding
11
people
to
rent
a
home.
N
D
K
I
started
the
question:
I
had
last
time
is
how's
that
underground
passageway
going
to
work,
because
the
grade
is
two
feet
below
bottom
of
joists.
For
the
that
was
one
thing
and
there's
a
then
there's,
then
you
need
eight
inches
of
soil
or
say
a
foot
of
soil.
Then
you
need
eight
inches
or
foot
of
structure,
and
then
you
get
you
know:
seven
foot,
six
ceiling
height
and
you're
down
like
12
feet
below
bottom
of
joists,
yeah.
N
N
Was
one
thing
we
needed
to
develop
more,
which
is
one
thing
we
wanted
to
sort
of
come
back
to
you
with
part
of
the
reason
we
weren't
asking
for
approval
tonight.
We
need
to
sort
of
get
out
there
and
really
field
verify
the
basement,
elevations
and
then
sort
of
design
that
structure
and
see
where
it
lands.
Are
you
guys?
You
know
we
imagined,
ideally
it's
just
lawn
between
the
two,
but
we
thought.
N
If
we
can't
make
the
the
grade
work
between
the
buildings
to
totally
cover
that
underground
passage,
the
benefit
to
that,
especially
if
we
located
that
sort
of
paver
Plaza
at
the
first
floor
level
is
then
we
potentially
could
get
an
accessible
route
across
to
the
other
building
as
well
and
have
the
ground
floor
unit
in
that
building
be
accessible,
which
would
also
be
kind
of
a
nice
feature.
So
I
don't
think
it's.
E
N
Little
bit
more
honest
about
what
the
building
is
as
well,
without
sort
of
ruining
the
feel
of
the
whole
thing.
N
Needs
they
would
need
in
Connected,
interior
space,
It's
gotta
be
like
a
single
fire
area,
although
there
are
some
rules
where
like,
if
they're
close
enough
to
each
other,
you
consider
them
as
a
fire
area,
but
I
just
I,
don't
know
it's
already
complex
enough.
B
Know
does
the
commission
field
I'll
take
a
vote
on
this
project
tonight
or
are
there
additional
details
you
need
is
if
you're
not
going
to
be
voting
on
it
tonight,
I
would
recommend
leaving
it
open.
N
F
D
N
G
A
F
O
Sorry,
I'm
very
negative
as
far
as
public
input
I
don't
get
to
evidence
to
pay
attention
to,
and
in
that
meeting
it
wasn't,
which
is
not
the
reason.
The
reason
I'm
here
is
that
there
was
condition
of
approval
that
both
the
public
and
this
board
stated
very
clearly.
It
was
stated
in
your
minutes
conditions
of
approval.
The
Gabriel
shall
have
a
box,
profilers
will
be
powder
coated
or
painted
green.
O
L
L
O
D
L
Went
in
last,
while
we
were
all
gone
on
vacations
like
that,
that's
why
I
don't.
L
J
B
L
It
and
that's
that
was
the
lack
fencing
you
know,
so
you
wouldn't
fall
into
the
Gorge
ous
and
it
was
discovered
that
half
of
the
city
owns
half
of
it
and
Cornell
owns
half
of
it
and
they
had
to
come
to
some
agreement
as
to
what
kind
of
fence
they
were
going
to
use
or
something
that
was
in
2016.
I
came
across
that
are.
O
O
L
Well
and
before
we
left
on
vacation,
I
sent
a
note
sustainability
Department
because
they
took
the
road
down
to
the
to
the
base
and
I
said
this
is
a
perfect
opportunity
to
do
something
green
on
this
small
little
lane
and
I.
Don't
think
they're
going
to
I
think
they're
gonna
asphalt,
The
Hope,
and
there
is
one
thing
to
mention
that
is
good.
They
had
said
they
were
doing.
O
O
So
what
did
they?
Do?
They
start
a
sidewalk
project.
The
wrong
person
in
in
all
of
parking
is
far
enough.
So
I
stuck
my
car
in
behind
a
Cornell
building.
I
can
get
a
ticket
from
Cornell.
It's
the
placard
they
gave
me
saves
me
I,
there's
no
thinking,
but
what
I'm
really
I,
wouldn't
I
will
personally
go
out
and
then
hire
someone
with
a
flame
cup
and
get
rid
of
that.
They
would
think
that
can't
stay.
O
O
Objections
today,
I
wanted
a
high
curve,
protect
the
people
that
are
uphill.
You
know,
especially
in
the
winter
of
some
weird
slid,
and
they
said
they
couldn't
put
in
a
high
curve
and
anyone
was
at
that
meeting.
Well,
remember
they
said.
Oh
no,
someone
stops
to
discharge
the
passenger
where
they're
not
supposed
to
stop
and
they
open
their
car
door.
They
might
scratch
their
car
door.
G
O
K
A
All
right,
we
have
new
business
air
source
heat
pump
installations
in
historic
district
to
design
guidelines.
D
B
He
couldn't
stay
for
long,
so
I
will
present
another
app
and
she
can
always
attend
next.
L
B
Would
like
to
talk
so
all.
G
B
We
had
originally
planned
to
have
Henny
and
I
have
a
hard
time
pronouncing
my
last
name,
so
I'm,
not
even
not
I,
wouldn't
I,
don't
want
to
do
it
and
just
this
justice,
so
this
service,
so
Penny
was
an
intern
that
was
hired
by
historic
Ithaca
over
the
summer
to
work
with
them
and
me
to
develop
design
guidelines
for
the
installation
of
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
the
city's
historic
districts.
B
As
many
of
you
know
as
part
of
the
green
New
Deal
and
Electrify
Ithaca.
More
and
more
of
these
air
source
heat
pump
systems
are
being
installed
in
the
city,
and
so
we
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
one
to
two
page
document
that
we
could
give
both
contractors
and
Property
Owners
to
get
information
on
how
to
successfully
plan
their
projects
and
get
them
approved
in
history.
B
So
Penny
worked
with
me
and
Christine
O'malley
at
historic
Ithaca.
We
visited
probably
a
dozen
properties
in
the
city's
historic
districts,
some
of
them
outside
of
historic
districts
that
have
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
collected
information
on
best
practices,
and
then
she
also
prepared
renderings
of
essentially
what
not
to
do
with
your
installation
projects
in
historic
districts.
B
So
she
did
quite
a
bit
of
research
about
the
technical
requirements
of
installing
heat
pumps
to
make
sure
that
our
design
guidelines
didn't
inflict
with,
what's
recommended
by
most
manufacturers
and
then
use
that
information
along
with
the
guy.
The
the
technical
assistance
I
give
to
most
properties
when
they're
installing
these
systems
and
combine
them
into
this
document.
So
kind
of
the
key
points
for
these
types
of
projects
are
to
install
the
compressors
on
rear
elevations
or
on
secondary
elevations
that
aren't
that
visible
from
the
public
way,
and
typically
that's
that's.
B
The
easiest
part
of
the
project
where
most
unsuccessful
unsuccessful
projects
fall
flat,
is
when
they
install
the
line
hides
which
are
used
to
connect
the
interior
units
to
the
compressors
on
the
exterior
there's
a
series
of
two
pipes
that
have
to
go
to
the
interior
head
and
there
are
different
ways
to
install
them
on
the
building.
Usually
the
easiest
way
to
do
it
is
install
all
of
them
on
the
exterior
with
without
any
regard
to
architectural
details,
or
you
know
whether
you're
going
to
be
blocking
something.
That's
beautiful
or
architecturally.
B
Significant
and
a
poorly
installed
system
can
really
detract
from
the
beauty
of
a
historic
property.
So
the
design
guidelines
outline
a
couple
of
ways
that
you
can
install
them
that
preserve
the
historic
character
of
the
building,
but
also
allow
you
to
install
the
system.
One
of
them
is
working
with
existing
architectural
features
and
existing
spaces
within
the
building.
One
of
the
biggest
recommendations
is
using
the
unfinished
attic
and
basement
spaces
to
run
the
line
hides
to
your
second
and
first
floors.
B
On
the
first
floor,
you
can
go
into
the
basement
from
your
compressor
and
go
up
through
the
floor
to
a
floor
model
on
interior
unit,
which
eliminates
all
the
line
hides
for
the
first
floor
on
the
exterior
of
the
building.
For
the
second
floor.
Usually
it
involves
a
riser
that
goes
out
the
back
of
the
building
and
then
into
the
attic
and
then
they're
able
to
use
the
unfinished
attic
space
to
drop
the
the
pipes
down
into
the
rooms
to
the
interior
heads
where
they're
needed.
B
B
So
we've
we've
seen
less
successful
installations
where
those
they're
called
condensate
lines
just
pop
out
through
the
back
of
the
building
and
drip
down
the
side
which
one
is
unsightly.
The
two
creates
an
addition
and
maintenance
issues
that
could
deteriorate
the
building
and
so
through
the
use
of
pumps
which
are
readily
available
for
the
interior
heads.
They
can
actually
pump
the
condensate
either
to
an
interior
drain
or
to
the
exterior
in
a
route
following
the
the
line
Heights.
K
B
That's
yeah,
but
so
we're
very
we're
very
pleased
with
the
design
guidelines,
and
so
the
hope
is
that
if
the
commission
also
finds
them
useful
that
these
would
be
incorporated
into
the
design
guidelines
for
this,
so
we
are
looking
I'm
looking
for
your
blessing
to
update
our
design
guidelines
to
increase
information.
L
F
K
We
were
down
in
College,
Park,
Maryland,
doing
some
a
project
and
you
couldn't
even
hear
outside,
because
so
many
of
these
monster
AC
units
whirring
around
there's
I-
think
the
noise
is
a
big
issue
with
with
real
AC
units,
but
even
with
these
kind
of
constant
noise
mine
are
pretty
quiet
yeah.
You
could
sit
there
next
to
him
on
chair
and
you
think
you
could.
B
D
M
K
K
B
But
that's
that's.
A
fair
point
is
perhaps
having
the
the
drawings
on
the
opposite
side
show
a
successful
way:
yeah,
okay
and
perhaps
I
I'm.
You
know
looking
at
it
very
quickly.
It
might
have
been
difficult
for
her
to
do
that,
because
the
intent
is
to
hide
them
right.
So
the
best
way
to
install
them
you're
not
going
to
see
them,
but
I
think
there
are
probably
ways
to
do
it,
perhaps
with
a
dashed
line
indicating
that
the
line
hides
are
in
the
basement
or
something
like
that.
Yeah.
D
N
B
H
B
J
Right
I'd
like
to
say
just
a
word
about
this,
that
that
I
have
a
building
where
I
installed
one
of
these
systems
and
there
really
wasn't
a
way
to
run
the
line
hides
in
the
interior
of
the
building
they
just
they
had
to
be
on
the
exterior,
but
Brian
helped
me
Strat
at
me,
and
the
contractor
helped
us
strategize
ways
to
do
it
that
actually
were
very
successful
and
painted
the
same
color
as
the
rest
of
the
building.
You
you
don't
see
it.
They
really
virtually
disappeared.
J
So
I
would
just
want
to
point
out
that
there
there
are
sort
of
intermediate
stages
between
success
and
failure
here
that
that
really
can
work
pretty
well
yeah.
B
And
then
and
each
property
is
unique,
so
I
think
the
design
guidelines
are
a
great
starting
point,
but
not
every
property
is
going
to
be
as
easy
to
install
them
as
the
next,
and
so
it's
still
going
to
require
conversations
with
each
property
owner,
perhaps
to
strategize
like
we
did
at
your
properties.
But
you
know
there's
there
are
simple
things
that
people
can
do
to
really
camouflage
them
and
make
them
go.
B
K
Back
is
this
the
same
format
as
the
design
guidelines.
D
A
B
A
little
bit
yeah,
so
we,
the
the
landmarks
ordinance,
requires
me
to
periodically
update
you
on
my
activities,
mainly
what
projects
I've
approved
administratively,
and
so
this
is
a
list
of
all
of
the
projects
that
I've
reviewed
since
the
beginning
of
the
year.
B
Some
of
them
are
really
minor.
People
are
replacing,
you
know
a
porch
roof.
Others
are
more
substantial,
like
air
source
heat
pump
installations,
but
overall,
the
the
criteria
that
I
use
for
determining
whether
it's
a
stat
level
review
or
something
that
needs
to
be
with
you
by
the
commission-
is
whether
it's
visible
from
the
public
way,
whether
it
removes
historic
Fabric
and
whether
it's
a
restoration
to
a
previously
documented
group.
B
D
D
A
Next,
we
have
historic,
I,
think
2023,
preservation,
Awards
yep.
B
So
everybody
got
an
invite
to
the
award
ceremony
on
Thursday
night.
It's
going
to
be
at
the
warehouse
Argo
space.
So
it's
usually
a
a
great
time
to
see
people
in
the
community
and
celebrate
with
the
award
winners.
This
year,
Alphonse
peeper
who's,
the
former
executive
director
of
historic
effect
that
is
being
honored,
so
if
you're
available
and
want
to
have
a
good
time,
I
encourage
you
to
attend.
L
D
F
D
B
So
I
don't
know
how
closely
you
follow
the
what's
happening
at
the
county
level,
but
408
North,
Iowa
Street
is
also
known
as
the
red
house.
It's
the
property
that's
owned
by
the
the
county
and
for
a
while
there
was.
There
was
a
question
of
whether
the
county
was
going
to
be
demolish,
building
or
not
it's
located
in
the
local
East,
Hillsborough
District
or
excuse
me,
DeWitt
Park,
Resort
District,
but
not
the
national
register
District,
which
complicates
things
a
little
bit.
B
But
the
legislature
recently
voted
to
sell
the
red
house
they're,
currently
working
with
a
realtor
to
find
a
qualified
buyer
to
purchase
the
property
and
and
my
understanding
that
there
are
several
local
organizations
that
are
interested
in
purchasing
the
property.
So
it
is
a
happy
outcome
for
what
was
a
really
alarming
situation
for
a.
B
Is
not
on
the
market,
yet
the
legislature
approved
selling
it
I
believe
last
week
or
the
week
before.