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A
I
chose
where
we,
oh,
we
are
streaming
live.
A
All
right
so
yeah
we
have
a
full
quorum
of,
in
fact
full
participation
from
the
members
of
the
committee.
So
I
think
we
can
start
our
economic
development
committee
of
the
ira
meeting
any
additions
or
deletions
to
the
men
to
the
menu
to
the
agenda.
A
D
I
wouldn't
mind
if
we
had
a
little
additional
discussion
about.
I
mean
I
think
this
small
scale
manufacturing
initiative
is
a
great
idea,
but
maybe
we
could
chat
if
it
looks
like
a
short
agenda
about
some
other
potential
initiatives.
It
seems,
like
things,
have
been
pretty
slow
on
the
economic
development
side
for
a
while
here.
A
Okay,
yes,
without
a
time
for
a
little
bit
of
brainstorming
at
the
end,
that
sounds
good.
Any
objections
to
that
great
none
public
comment.
So
we
had
comments
shared
to
us
by
email
to
anyone
who
has
public
comments
in
person.
A
So
it's
not
related
to
a
specific
agenda
item.
So
members
of
the
committee
want
to
respond
to
that
written
comment.
This
probably
be
the
most
appropriate
time
and
if
it
turns
out
it's
going
to
blow
up
into
an
agenda
item,
then
we
can
kind
of
parcel
that
out.
But
if
you
just
want
to
respond
to
the
comment,
this
would
probably
be
the
best
time
because
we
don't
have
it
on
the
agenda.
B
Okay,
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarification
from
nels.
I
reviewed
you
know
what
the
comment
was
about
and
thought:
okay,
what?
What
exactly
did
we
do
with
this?
Was
there
some
expectation
that
the
committee
or
the
iura
would
reply
or
take
action
or
what?
What
was
what
was
behind
this
or
what
was
the
expectation?
Was
there
any.
C
It
kind
of
speaks
for
itself
in
some
respects.
There
was,
it
was
born
out
of
a
sunny
days
as
a
business
feels
they've
been
adversely
impacted
by
the
adjacent
urban
renewal
project
and
other
activities
and
construction
activities
with
you
know,
from
their
landlords.
Activity
and
part
of
that
process
is
bringing
in
ithaca
college's
physicians
assistance
program,
which
is
which
is
involved,
interior
construction
and
rehab,
an
adjacent
site
and
some
construction
activities
that
have
visually
obstructed
their
storefront.
C
So
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
there
was
a
meeting
that
sunny
days
requested
to
meet
with
the
planning
staff
and
the
building
division
and
that
it
did
occur.
Tom
knight
was
was
leading
that
that
that
discussion
with
them
to
understand
their
concerns
and
to
see
where
the
city's
systems
and
processes
could
be
improved
to
to
better
mitigate
and
minimize
adverse
impact
of
construction
activities
and
building
permits
that
that,
quite
that
question
was
raised
by
deirdre
kurzweil
of
sunny
days.
C
A
C
You
know
it's
a
balance
between
mitigation
and
allowing
construction
activities
to
continue
on
a
timely
basis
without
undue
delay.
So
I
think
there
were
some
productive
discussions.
I
don't
think
there
were
issues
resolved.
C
Maybe
that's
a
function
of
this
letter
that
was
received
today,
because
these
were
meetings
that
occurred
about
a
week
ago,
but
I
think
there
is
concern
that
continue
concerned
by
by
todd
that
they've
been
adversely
impacted
and
thinks
that
there
is
a
stronger
role
for
the
ira.
I
think
the
ira
did
take
a
strong
role
in
providing
some.
C
You
know
mitigation
for
potential
dislocation,
and
I
can
confirm
that
I've
received
confirmation
from
both
of
the
business
tenants
that
their
rent
has
been
credited
against
their
legal
costs
that
they
incurred
in
those
negotiations
months
ago.
So
that
has
been
satisfied
by
the
landlord
in
that,
in
that
case,
does
that
answer
the
question
you
had
or
did
you
have
yeah?
That's.
B
Fine
we're
not
expected
to
respond
or
in
any
way
you
know
give
any.
I
don't
know
what
I.
C
A
Holocaust
charlie
dug
anything
further:
no,
okay,
okay.
Thank
you.
Leslie
review
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
december.
D
A
By
charlie
any
comments
changes
amendments
all
in
favor,
bye,
that's
unanimous,
so
the
minutes
are
approved
from
december,
8th
yeah
as
always
community
lending.
So
we
have
yeah.
We
have
the
request
from
green
star
nells
so
pulling
that
up
here
you
want
to
give
us
just.
I
think
we
talked
about
this,
maybe
briefly
at
the
last
meeting,
but
maybe
now
that
we
have
it
in
front
of
us.
Give
us
the
background.
C
Right
well,
we
made
the
loan
with
green
star.
They
committed
to
24
new
jobs
and
with
their
new
expanded.
You
know,
west
west,
no
yeah.
E
C
West
west
end
flagship
store,
they
were
so
confident
in
their
job
numbers.
When
we
discussed
the
time
frame
for
the
job
creation,
they
said,
12
months
will
be
fine.
We
normally
provide
24
months
to
achieve
that
and
we
can
even
go
further.
If,
if
there's
partial,
you
know
satisfaction
towards
that
goal,
but
we
bring
those
back
to
the
committee
to
discuss
so
their
one
year
anniversary
was
late
november.
C
I
guess
maybe
the
right
word:
food
and
beverage
activities,
and
they
have
you
know
actually
taken
action
to
reduce
their
workforce
on
a
furlough
basis
temporarily
they
expect
once
you
know,
the
vaccine
is
rolled
out
through
the
community,
that
they'll
be
able
to
resume
back
to
closer
to
original
projections
and
their
financials
and
have
asked
for
a
one-year
extension
to
hit
the
24
full-time,
equivalent
job
count.
C
And
that's
where
we
stand.
The
resolution
does
prove
that,
especially-
and
I
think
this
is
especially
appropriate,
given
we
normally
provide
24
months,
but
they
were
so
confident
at
the
time
that
they,
they
only
sought
a
12-month
time
period
to
get
that
to
that
number.
So
I
would
recommend
that
you
give
this
full
consideration
for
approval
to
give
them
a
one-year
extension
on
their
time
to
achieve
their
job
creation
goal.
B
B
C
Right
right
exactly
and-
and
it
teaches
me
a
lesson
even
when
they
offered
to
go
for
12
months-
maybe
we
could
just
simplify
the
world
and
say
it's
our
standard
24
month
time
frame,
you
do
it
in
12
months.
That's
great,
but.
A
Just
to
clarify
so
in
the,
whereas
it
says
through
the
third
quarter
of
2020
greenstar
had
created
16
fte
jobs.
So
but
then
they
had
a
furlough
of
12
percent
of
their
workforce.
So
when
we
count
to
make
sure
that
they
comply
right,
they
have
to
do.
They
have
to
bring
all
those
furloughed
people
back,
plus
the
16
plus
eight
more.
C
Well,
they
well,
I
actually
don't
know
the
exact
number
that
are
furloughed
at
this
store,
because
that
was
a
a
green
star,
wide
job
count
and
there
may
even
be
positions
that
do
some
work
at
the
you
know,
flagship
store
and
also
work
at
other
locations
as
well.
They
will
have
to
show
24
full-time
equivalent
jobs
on
two
consecutive
quarterly
job
reports.
They
may
not
be
the
same
players
exactly,
but
they
will
have
to
show
that
they're
up
to
24.,
so
isis
that
16
number
was
a
high
water
mark.
C
C
So
what
we
do
is
we
require
them
at
the
beginning
of
the
project
to
submit
a
payroll
and
we
convert
that
to
hours
and
that's
the
baseline
and
then
and
then
they'll
move
up
and
down
as
we
go
through
time
in
this
case
up
and
down
here,
and
we
will
look
at
the
number
of
hours
worked
at
the
flagship
store
and
it'll
have
to
be
equal
to
24
full-time
equivalent
workers
on
you
know
in
two
quarters
got
it.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
really
adds
to
the
tone
of
these
kind.
A
Yeah
she's,
yes
recital
this
weekend,
I
yeah
think
funny,
because
actually
this
at
one
point
I
muted
and
zoom
says:
are
you
playing
music?
Do
you
want
to
adjust
your
settings.
C
Right
and
we,
we
know
this-
the
story
here
they
got,
they
lost
their
accreditation
and
soon
after
stopped
making
payments
on
the
loan.
Furthermore,
the
you
know
the
major
president.
You
know
then
filed
for
personal
bankruptcy
and
we're
still
working
with
the
chairperson
on
his
personal
guarantee
to
collect.
So
this
resolution
doesn't
impact
our
efforts
to
collect
it
does
clarify
and
our
financials
for
2019
that
we're
not
counting
this
83
000
balance.
As
expected
loans,
repayable,
you
know
it's
not
it's
no
longer.
C
If
we
don't
take
action
now,
our
2019
finances
will
be
artificially
inflated
with
assets,
because
these
are
not
assets.
We
can
count
on
collecting
we.
We
may
very
well
collect
on
them,
but
it's
been
way
too
many
months
to
assume
from
an
auditor's
point
of
view
that
they're
going
to
be
coming
in
in
any
kind
of
a
near-term
fashion.
So
the
main
focus
of
this
is
to
make
sure
we
clarify
for
our
financials
in
2019
that
these
are
doubtful
for
collection
funds.
C
It
won't
be
counted
on
our
balance
sheet
as
loans
payable
loans
receivable.
Rather
sorry,
we
are
still
pursuing
collection.
It's
gone
kind
of
slowly
in
the
process,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
our
attorney
to
rev
up
the
individual
working
with
to
try
to
collect
is
based
in
illinois
rather
than
new
york
state.
That
makes
it
a
little
more
difficult
and
when
they
lost
their
accreditation
for
ithaca,
they
also
lost
their
accreditation
in
monchisco
new
york,
as
well
as
in
north
carolina.
C
I
think
the
arizona
they're
in
a
lawsuit
in
arizona
regarding
a
sale
of
some
of
the
schools
they
have
affiliated
with
out
there,
where
the
new
buyers
claimed
that
they
over
inflated
the
value
of
those
enterprises.
C
So
it's
a
pretty
mixed
up
recollection,
but
we
do
have
a
personal
guarantee
and
at
the
time
when
we
did
the
underwriting
alone,
that
person
had
substantial
net
assets.
So
that's
that's
our
route
for
trying
to
collect,
but
this
resolution
really
focuses
on
just
the
recognition
that
this
loan
is
is
very
doubtful
for
collection.
At
this
point
in
time,.
A
Topic:
okay,
then,
is
there
a
motion
to
thank
you,
charlie
second
leslie,
all
in
favor?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
It's
unanimous,
okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
small
scale
manufacturing
initiative-
and
I
think
I
saw
tom,
join
us.
E
C
G
Okay,
yeah
I'll,
be
very
brief,
and
then
we
can
answer
questions.
So
you
know:
we've
been
working
a
little
bit
with
a
consultant
looking
at
who's
expert
at
working
with
communities
on
helping
them
grow,
their
small
scale,
manufacturing
sector.
G
We
define,
in
this
case
small-scale
manufacturing,
basically
anything
that
can
be
made
and
then
packaged
for
sale,
so
a
fairly
inclusive
term.
Everything
from
you
know
coffee
beverages,
handbags,
you
know
the
etsy
style
stuff
to
food
products
and
other.
We
have
a
lot
of
makers
in
this
community.
G
We
have
a
number
of
businesses
here
that
kind
of
fit
this
definition,
if
you
will
of
being
a
small
scale
manufacturer,
but
we've
never
really
taken
a
a
look
specifically
at
how
we
could
leverage
our
economic
development
efforts
to
promote
the
growth
of
the
sector.
Why
do
we
start
looking
at
this?
I
mean
clearly.
G
Economic
diversity
is,
is
a
theme
in
every
plan
that
we've
written-
and
you
know
our
economy
is
heavy
with
jobs
on
in
education
and
and
other
high-paying
sectors,
also
heavy
and
jobs
in
the
service
and
hospitality
sectors.
We
we
see
this
sector
as
an
opportunity
to
grow,
middle-income
jobs
and
and
diversify.
G
G
You
know
who
those
potential
folks
are,
that
might
be
in
a
position
to
grow
or
locate
in
the
city
and
working
with
them
to
identify
their
needs,
putting
supports
in
place
so
that
they
can,
you
know,
grow
their
businesses,
while
also,
at
the
very
same
time,
working
on
the
physical
development
aspect
of
of
this
opportunity.
G
You
know
not
just
from
a
is
it
a
loud
zoning
standpoint,
although
that's
certainly
part
of
it
would
be
to
to
take
a
look
at
our
zoning
and
see
where
this
type
of
business
is
or
isn't
where
we
want
it
to
be
and
make
any
modifications
it
might
be
necessary,
but
also
working
directly
with
property
owners.
You
know
often
there
are
redevelopment
projects
and
we
try
to
put
things
in
there
that
you
know
can
reach
certain
rents,
and
you
know
I
think,
with
this
effort
we
would
be
looking
at
properties.
G
You
know
that
may
be
in
need
of
rehab,
but
not
necessarily
be
completely
redeveloped.
Sort
of
you
know,
filling
in
with
maker
types
of
businesses.
G
Small
scale
manufacturing
that
would
hopefully
be
employers,
grow
jobs
and
and
help
us
sort
of
diversify
the
economy.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
would
be
probably
from
a
geographic
standpoint.
We
we
haven't
yet
sort
of
formally
identified
the
specific
area,
but
we
would
work
work
to
do
that
likely
the
broader
downtown
west,
a
street
corridor
west
end
some
of
the
areas
just
outside
of
the
the
commons
area.
G
We
really
look
to
identify
those
properties
that
are
ripe
to
have
this
type
of
activity
and,
as
I
say,
work
with
the
businesses
as
well.
So
it's
a
very
it's
a
12-month
process,
and
else
has
got
it
up
on
the
screen
here
and
we
would
work
with
the
consultant
to
who
would
guide
and
train
and
support
a
local
team
in
doing
this
work
and
be
very,
very
it's:
it's
not
a
plan
to
plan
kind
of
activity.
It's
a
it's!
A
very
roll
up.
G
Your
sleeves,
you
know,
do
interviews,
identify
actions
that
we
can
move
forward
within.
You
know
three
to
12
months
and
that
are
that
are
priorities
that
are
actually
going
to
move.
This
move
the
needle
on
this
work
and
then
go,
do
them
and
have
the
have
the
tr
have
the
the
training
and
support
to
actually
do
this
based
on
best
practice.
G
The
cost
for
us
to
be
engaged
in
this
is
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
and
so-
and
it
would
begin
in
march
of
this
year,
I
would
likely
be
the
lead
staff
person,
but
there
would
be
opportunities
for
other
staff
to
engage
as
well
as
well
as
possibly
some
community
partners
and
we're
really
excited
about
this.
I
think
this
could
be
really
impactful
and
meaningful
for
our
community
and
so
we're
we
are
starting
to
pass
the
hat
if
you
will
and
and
seek
funders
to
support
this
work
nils.
C
I
thought
the
other
thing
that
was
interesting
about
the
proposal.
Is
it
really
work?
It's
designed
to
be
able
to
work
in
a
a
kind
of
on
a
remote
basis
for
the
training
alana
prowse
is
the
is
the
founder
of
the
program.
C
She
would
be
the
one
providing
the
services
to
the
city,
but
there
also
would
be
a
cohort
of
four
other
communities
of
similar
sized
ithaca
would
be
looking
at
the
same
thing,
so
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
some
learning
from
other
communities
at
the
same
time,
and
you
know
thinking
about
their
challenges
and
opportunities
and
see
how
maybe
we
can
fit
them
into
the
ithacas.
I
thought
that
was
an
interesting
model.
You
know,
essentially,
this
organization
is
dedicated
to
this
this
issue.
C
This
is
their
sole
issue,
really
of
consulting
it's
their
expertise,
and
I
think
that's
unusual.
There
aren't
very
many
players
in
in
the
field
who
work
on
community
development
from
from
a
small
scale
manufacturing
basis.
We
do
know
some
communities
that
have
worked
on
that.
We
started
looking
at
some
of
the
zoning
issues
early
on
because
we
were
worried
that
maybe
our
zoning
was
frustrating
some
uses.
C
I
think
we
found
a
way
around.
Most
of
those
we
did
have
to
change
the
zoning
to
allow
brew
pubs,
for
example
and
breweries,
but
but
the
it
seems
like
the
issues
that
we've
run
into
more
directly
have
been
kind
of
the
cost
of
rents
in
the
city,
and
it
was
interesting
that
this
consultant
is
very
focused
on
the
real
estate
piece
as
well
as
the
business
piece.
You
know,
understanding
that
you
know,
there's
no
affordable
real
estate,
you
don't
have
very
many
opportunities
and
so
she's.
C
You
know,
I
think,
that's
helpful,
that
she
understands
some
of
the
issues
we're
facing
in
ithaca.
By
the
same
token,
we
do
have
an
opportunity-
I
guess
you
could
call
it
during
covet
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
stressed
real.
You
know
landlords
looking
to
find
ways
to
fill
up
vacant
spaces,
and
this
could
be
a
great
opportunity
that
they're
willing
to
take
a
little
bit
less
rent.
You
know
we
can
get.
C
We
have
a
better
opportunity
now
than
we've
had
in
prior
years,
with
a
pretty
high
storefront
vacancy
rate
and
really
she,
you
know,
recast,
looks
at
this
as
not
just
a
you
know:
kind
of
a
jobs,
economic
development,
but
also
activating
the
streetscape
as
part
of
their
vision
as
well,
so
really
seemed
to
fit
pretty
close
to
ithaca's
goals.
So
I
thought
those
were
all
important
aspects.
G
Agreed
now,
yeah,
thanks
for
those
additions
and
and
alana
prus
has
a
very
deep
background
in
this.
She
worked
with
the
smart
growth
for
america
and
has
some
has
a
good
track
record,
so
I
I
think
I
think
we
would
get
a
lot
out
of
it.
C
Well,
there's
two
things:
this
is
the
entrance
door
for
potential
funding,
support
for
the
program,
and
so
the
resolution
talks
about
you
know
some
sort
of
a
match
funding
level
we
there
are
some
other
organizations
being
requested,
so
it
might
be
premature
to
identify
a
number
in
that
area.
C
I
did
leave
it
as
kind
of
open,
but
the
mayor
is
making
some
queries
about
funding
sources
and
really
it
probably
would
be
better
to
let
leave
that
kind
of
open
at
this
point
in
time
to
figure
out
what's
necessary
because
I
think
it's
appropriate
if
the
agency
is
interested
in
filling
a
gap,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
agency
wants
to
be
the
sole
funder
of
a
program
like
this.
Unless
there's
some
buy-in
from
other
players
to
be,
you
know,
really,
you
know
the
most
productive
it
can
be.
C
So
if
we
got
to
some
partners
who
are
in
this,
so
one
do
you
think
it's
a
good
initiative
to
invest
resources
of
the
agency
and
two
there's
an
opportunity
for
engagement
here
and
if
there's
a
committee
as
a
whole
or
members
who
want
to
be
involved
in
it,
we
can
certainly
try
to
structure
it
in
that
way.
C
I
made
clear
in
the
discussion
with
with
the
program
at
the
city
level
that
the
march
timeline
is
difficult
for
me
to
commit
a
lot
of
time
in
the
early
months,
because,
frankly,
I
haven't
finished
the
rfei
for
the
island
yet
and
gotten
it
out.
Hopefully,
this
week
the
the
urban
renewal
projects
downtown
have
so
many
moving
parts.
C
They
just
don't
let
up
until
we
close
on
the
green
street
garage
projects,
I'm
not
going
to
have
time
and
march
is
only
three
weeks
away,
so
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
there
wasn't
an
agency
member
who
or
an
ed
committee
member
who
wanted
to
be
interested
to
play.
A
role
in
this
certainly
would
be
an
opportunity
if
there's
interest
in
that,
I
think.
Don't
you
agree
tom.
G
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
yeah
we
can
think
about
a
range
of
opportunities.
You
know,
as
as
I
think
you
said,
there's
an
opportunity
for
for
people
to
be
directly
involved
in
in
attending
the
probably.
Are
they
going
to
be
bi-weekly
or
monthly
gallery,
and
but
probably
also,
you
know,
to
a
lesser
extent
too
we'll
be
doing
you
know,
interviews
and
focus
groups
and
having
conversations.
G
So
that
would
be
an
opportunity
as
well.
Right
I
mean,
maybe
maybe
the
committee
could
serve
as
a.
We
could
have
a
focus
group
kind
of
type
discussion
here
or
if
individuals
are
interested
in,
you
know
getting
involved
in
a
deeper
level.
We
can.
C
D
I
think
it
sounds
like
a
really
exciting
opportunity
and
kind
of
tailor-made
for
ithaca.
I
think
we're,
given
our
you
know
the
previous
sort
of
high
rents,
but
also
the
you
know,
I'm
thinking
about
that.
The
carter
from
the
commons
down
to
west
state
street
that
we've
always
talked
about.
How
do
we,
you
know,
connect
those
two
with
some.
You
know
interesting,
retail
or
small
manufacturing
kind
of
spaces.
I'm
also
you
know
thinking
about
john
guthrie
who's.
D
This
seems
like
a
perfect
connection
to
some
of
his
mini
retail
stuff
and
as
well
as
you
know,
obviously,
the
or
the
agricultural
work
that
the
farmers
market
and
cooperative
extension
have
been
trying
to
do.
It
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
connections
there
that
we
could
really
build
on
to
to
kind
of
connect.
Some
of
those
small
manufacturing
kind
of
opportunities
here
so
yeah
very
excited
about
it.
C
Charles
has
got
control
here.
You
can
put
it
right
back
up.
E
C
Had
a
couple
of
them,
I
know
there
was
a
michigan
one
that
she
thought
was
very
similar
or
had
some
similar
issues.
The
deliverables
I
in
some
respects
you
know
it's,
we
might
want
to
clarify
the
deliverables,
but
I
mean
really
she's
I
mean
the
thrust
of
it
is
a
really
action-focused.
You
know,
as
an
action
plan,
with
steps
for
the
city
to
do
and
actually
doing
those
steps.
You
know
in
the
12-month
period,
I
think
is
really
the
framework
here.
C
A
lot
of
time
you
know
on
the
ground
in
ithaca,
but
they
will
be
spending
a
lot
of
time
working
with
the
with
the
with
the
major
team
online
and
doing
interviews
with
with
with
manufacturers
and
real
and
landlords
and
those
kind
of
activities.
So
it's,
I
think,
there's
an
expectation
that
it's
that's
a
really
working
model.
We
have
a
strategy
we'll
develop
a
strategy
kind
of
a
how
to
do
it.
C
Action
plan
while
we're
doing
the
engagement
process
and
then
follow
up
with,
with
with
trying
to
find
wins,
early,
wins,
of
course,
and
then
continue
the
effort
going
forward.
D
G
Bakery
yeah
that'll
definitely
be
a
deliverable.
We'll
have
we'll
have
a
good
list
of
you
know,
makers
and
potential
businesses.
That
would
we
would
be
engaging,
but
I
think
the
the
the
deliverable
will
be
the
implementation
of
the
the
the
key
actions
to
to
move
their
work
forward,
be
they
you
know
developing
a
training
working
with
property
owners
and
businesses
to
actually
get
people
into
spaces.
G
Changing
modifying
the
zoning,
if
that's
needed,
so
so
we
don't,
we
haven't
done
the
we
haven't,
obviously
gone
through
the
process
of
interviewing
folks
and
and
identifying
what
those
you
know.
Key
key
actions
for
execution
would
be,
but
you
know
at
the
end
of
12
months
we
would.
G
We
would
actually
aim
to
imp
to
have
real
implementation,
not
just
not
just
the
document
of
the
plan.
Actual.
C
Implementation
of
the
keys
and
and
doug
during
the
initial
meeting
with
alana
john
guttridge
was
one
of
the
members
we
brought
in
to
help
discuss
the
the
prospects
and
he
was
very
excited
about
the
opportunity
because
he
did
point
to
a
number
of
his
tenants
who
would
fit
into
this
model
at
small
manufacturers.
C
We
also
had
gary
ferguson
from
the
downtown
ithaca
alliance.
He
sees
this
as
a
really
important
component
of
diversifying
the
downtown.
We're
struggling
with
retail,
of
course,
like
everywhere
else,
and
we
need
to
you
know,
identify
some
broader
activities
that
can
fill
those
spaces
and
activate
those.
So
I
think
we
already
have
kind
of
a
core
support
of
of
some
major
players
in
the
in
the
arena.
We
will
need
to
expand,
you
know,
landlords
and
property
owners
and
mail
mitch.
You
know
kind
of
match
them
up
with
potential
manufacturers.
B
Well,
I
I
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
thoughts.
I
think
it's
a
really
great
direction
to
be
going
thinking
strategically
about
how
do
we
grow
this
sector
tom
you
mentioned
in
particular
food
related
businesses
and
crafts,
and
I
will
say,
having
worked
with
those
folks,
for
you
know
more
than
15
years,
we've
got
to
think
a
lot
broader
than
that,
because
realistically
it's
really
difficult
for
a
food
related
business
or
a
craft
business
to
substantially
grow
in
this
market.
Right
they've
got
to
be
exporting
so
to
speak.
B
But
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
packaged
food
items
or
pottery,
there
aren't
enough
people
in
this
community
buying
those
goods
even
at
the
holidays,
which
is
when
we
all
go
crazy
and
shop
for
cute
and
adorable
and
local.
You
know
fine
goods,
that's
not
going
to
support
the
needed
full.
You
know:
full-time
income
for
the
the
individual,
crafts
people
or
entrepreneurs,
let
alone
an
expanded.
B
That's
a
huge
challenge,
especially
if
the
entrepreneur's
main
skill
is
making
great
stuff
and
not
necessarily
the
tech
savvy
or
the
market
savvy
or
the
finance
savvy
and
all
those
pieces.
So
that
that
to
me,
that's
going
to
be
an
essential,
no
matter
what
types
of
of
manufactured
goods
we're
talking
about.
A
A
I
was
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble
like
with
the
practicalities
of
it
like
what
does
this
look
like
and
what
scale
that
we
really
started
talking
about.
We
are
we
successful
if
we
attract
five
new
enterprises
to
the
commons
or
downtown,
and
you
know
two
year
period
of
time.
You
know,
especially
we
talk
about
this
longer
area
of
the
commons
state
street
and
the
west
end.
There's
a
lot
of
space
to
fill
there
and
I'm
trying
a
hard
time
like
imagining
it
all
being
filled
with
this.
A
Obviously
so,
just
to
kind
of
add
to
what
leslie
is
saying,
I
think,
there's
a
whole
range
of
issues
right,
which
may
mean
that
there
are
plenty
of
makers
in
this
community
they're,
just
not
in
this
district,
and
they
may
never
want
to
be
in
this
district.
G
I
think
those
are
both
very
insightful
and
helpful
comments,
and
I
can
I
can
tell
you
leslie.
I
agree
with
everything
that
you
said.
I
mean
we're
absolutely
thinking
the
same
way
about
the
types
of
businesses
that
would
have
opportunity
to
to
export
and
be
scalable,
and
yes,
it
very
well
may
be
that
a
focus
that
comes
out
of
this
process
is
we
need.
We
need
to
put
together
the
initiative,
the
training,
the
supports
whatever,
for
a
piece
of
that.
G
That's
missing
here,
you
know-
or
maybe
it's
just
a
matter
of
linking
up
ex
people
with
existing
resources,
whatever
it
may
be.
I
think
I
think
that's
a
really
important
or
valuable
insight
that
you
just
shared
and-
and
you
know
for
both
of
you-
what
type
of
business
I'll
just
I'll
use
a
story
to
illustrate
how
I'm
thinking
about
it.
About
a
year
ago,
leslie
sagan
from
avatar
apiaries
approached
us.
G
Business
that
produces
basically
like
skin
care
and
personal
care
products
that
use
bee
products
as
their
as
their
sort
of
primary
input,
and
she
said
tom.
I
really
I
want
to
do.
I
want
a
space
in
the
city
and
I
want
I
want
there
to
be
a
retail
component
because
I
sell
I
I'm
already
selling
through
you
know
various
distribution
networks
you
know,
but
I
would
like
to
have.
G
I
would
like
to
have
a
presence
where
I
can
sell
my
products
and
I
and
I
can
also
manufacture
them
and
package
them,
and
I
want
to
have
a
community
workshop
space
there
too,
because
part
of
my
vision
for
my
business
is.
I
want
to
be
able
to
show
people
how
to
make
things
themselves
like
like
the
way
that
that
I
make
them,
and
so
I
would
have
occasional
workshops
and
we
looked
and
looked
and
looked
for
a
space
for
her
and
and
in
in
leslie's
case.
G
The
zoning
was
actually
a
very.
It
was
a
hurdle
we
weren't
able
to
to
get
through
now.
Fortunately,
she
was
able
to
buy
a
barn
in
newfield
and
she's
very
happy
there,
and
she
has
bees
on
the
property
and
able
to
stay
local
and
topping
the
sky.
But
she
very
much
wanted
to
be
in
in
the
heart
of
the
community
where
there's
the
vibrancy
and
contribute
to
that
vibrancy
and
be
part
of
it
and
have
have
a
retail
component
while
also
doing
the
manufacturing
in
the
space.
G
So
I
think,
as
I
think,
about
what
kind
of
business
I
think
that
kind
of
business
that
we
know
has
already
approached
us
with
a
desire
to
to
to
be
in
the
city
and
we
weren't
quite
at
a
place
where
we
were
ready
to
to
to
to
have
them
locate.
Here.
You
know
when
the
next
3
4
10
15,
whatever
the
scale
is
businesses,
and
hopefully
we
can
actually
bring
some
other
woodworking
process
as
well
when
they're
ready
to
locate
here.
G
I
want
us
to
be
ready
and
have
the
supports
and
and
and
the
process
sort
of
set
up
so
that
we
can.
G
We
can
bring
them
in
and
and
take
them
through
and
and
make
sure
that
they
can
do
that
yeah,
it's
not
going
to
serve
everyone's
needs,
you
know,
nor
should
it,
but
you
know,
if
you
look
at
south
hill
business
campus,
there's
a
wonderful
collection
of
these
types
of
businesses
that
are
operating
in
in
that
location,
and
you
know
I'm
definitely
not
interested
or
proposing
that
we're
going
to
be
poaching
from
from
other
places.
But
the
point
was
raised.
G
I
think
a
lot
actually
brought
it
up
in
our
most
recent
conversation
that
you
know
the
reason
that
those
businesses
and
that
collection
of
businesses-
and
I'm
talking
about
the
clay
school
and
the
middle
smithery
got
this
really
unique
sort
of
combination
of
education,
man,
small
scale
manufacturing,
maybe
some
retail
components
as
well
in
one
space
and
a
collection
of
them.
You
know
it's
likely
that
if
we
had
an
approach
that
you
know
would
be
able
to
attract
them
and
and
find
them
spaces
in
the
city.
G
The
businesses
like
that
would
would
like
to
locate
in
the
city.
We
haven't
had
those
conversations
with
those
particular
businesses.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
that.
I'm
saying
that
you
know
in
in
a
in
a
vacuum
where
we
don't
have
that
they've
all
gone
to
south
hill
business
campus,
and
you
know
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
add
to
the
vibrancy
of
some
of
our
commercial
corridors.
Downtown.
F
The
a
real
strength
of
the
community
is
is
what
goes
on
here:
technol,
technologically
with
the
universities
and
tech
transfer
and
stuff
like
that,
and
you
should
take
a
look
at
just
like
the
the
kinds
of
businesses
that
are
at
langnear
labs
at
95
brown
and
the
other
businesses
that
are
in
the
tech
park
around
me
here,
a
barrier
towards
getting
a
lot
of
those
businesses
in
our
like
chemical
lab
space,
and
things
like
that,
which
is
always
kind
of
a
problem
with
zoning
and
stuff
and
that
type
of
thing.
F
But
there's
there
are
smaller
manufacturers
that
make
assemble
microchips
into
different
products.
Some
of
them
have
come
through
the
rev
center
and
others
of
them
have
come
through
the
mcgovern
center
at
cornell
and
then
praxis,
which
is
the
new
physical
sciences
incubator
that
cornell
has
so.
F
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
talk
to
those
folks,
because
those
are
like
a
chem
lab
like
what
what
what
I
work
with
wouldn't
work,
but
but
assembling
different
devices
or
kind
of
even
some
of
the
nano
fab
kind
of
stuff
where
you've
got
offices
in
space,
where
you
you're
recruiting
engineers
for
quality
of
life,
but
they're
already
using
nanofab
facilities
at
the
university.
F
So
I
would
really
try
to
look
at
all
of
those
places
and
try
to
bring
in
the
higher
tech,
because
those
are
those
are
good,
paying
jobs,
even
if
they're
not
making
a
lot
of
stuff
anyway.
But
95
brown,
langner
lab
has
built
up
a
pretty
good
kind
of
a
culture
in
in,
but
just
of
the
types
of
companies
that
are
there.
But
all
of
those
companies
grew
out
of
different
different
incubators
in
the
region
in
the
tech
transfer
office
and
stuff,
like
that
at
cornell.
F
E
G
Yeah
yeah
yeah
we'll
provide
the
opportunity
and
people
will
go
where
they
want
to
go,
but
it's
yeah
yeah,
that's
part
of
the
vision
too,
and,
and
frankly,
I'm
I'm
excited
at.
G
You
know
that
this
work
is
going
to
help
us
develop
a
lot
of
that
knowledge
of
who
those
businesses
are
yeah,
develop
some
relationships
out
of
that,
and-
and
you
know
whether
or
not
this
particular
approach
is
is,
is
the
is
the
outcome
you
know
in
terms
of
our
relationship
with
a
particular
business.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
to
that.
F
I
would
say
like
one
of
the
things
that
works
really
well
about
95
brown
and
why
a
lot
of
startups
end
up
there
is
that
it's
just
kind
of
seen
as
a
turnkey
solution.
So
it's
seen
as
like.
Oh
that's,
where
startups
go
is
that
they
can
go
to
95
brown
and
they
get
a
they
get
a
conference
room
and
they
get
labs
and
they
get
chemical
waste
disposal
and
stuff
like
that,
but
they
all
don't
need
all
of
those
things,
some
of
them.
F
In
fact,
if
you
just
walk
the
halls,
a
whole
lot
of
those
don't
need
the
chemical
zoning
that
other
businesses
do.
So
I
think,
if
you
could
package
in
some
just
like
really
simple
marketing
and
get
like
packets
of
information
to
some
of
those
incubators,
they
would
oh
well.
I
can
get
an
office
in
this
building
on
the
commons
and
it's
going
to
be
better
for
recruiting
than
kind
of
an
industrial
space.
C
Yeah
you
know,
recast
is
based
out
of
washington
dc,
although
I
think
she
did
go
to
school
at
one
time
in
her
life
right,
yeah,
yeah,
so
the
so.
She
has
some
familiarity
with
with
ithaca,
but
I
think
oftentimes,
a
lot
of
the
communities
that
she's
working
with
do
have
a
lower
cost
structure
for
real
estate
or
have
a
neighborhood
where
there's
a
lower
cost
structure
and
we've
always
been
somewhat
constrained
by
all
of
our
real
estate-
is
expensive
so
or
there's
very
little.
C
We
don't
have
a
former
industrial
history
on
par
with
much
of
upstate
new
york,
so
we
don't
have
those
buildings
that
are
convertible.
You
know
easily
to
lower
class
lease
space,
but
chain
works
is
finally
going
through
their
process
and
when
they
get,
you
know
when
that
conveys
over
to
the
private
developer.
They'll
have
lots
of
square
footage
similar
to
south
hill
business
campus.
That's
a
five
block
walk
from
downtown,
so
that
would
be
an
opportunity
for
some
of
those.
F
Yeah
if
you
look
at
just
like
tom,
if
you
look
at
like
the
graduates
of
the
mcgovern
center
at
cornell
and
in
the
new
one
praxis
you'll
see
several
of
those
could
have
been
in
this
kind
of
downtown
core,
where
they
don't
need
the
physical
science,
where
they
don't
need
some
of
the
more
complex
physical
requirements.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
talk
to
it's
lou
walser
is
the
director
of
the
center
at
the
mcgovern
center
and
he'll.
F
Take
any
meeting
he's
great
and
then
I'm
not
sure
who
they
have
for
praxis,
but
blue
would
know,
and
then
you
know
all
the
folks
at
rev
and
a
lot
of
things
come
through
rev
that
are
a
little
less
high
tech.
So
you
know
I'd
certainly
encourage
that
kind
of
partnership
as
well.
That's
great.
A
So
so
I
feel,
like
everything
I
say,
sounds
curmudgy,
it's
not
that
I'm
against
the
idea,
but
it
just
made
me
think
when
I
was
listening
to
charlie.
It's
like
you
know,
and
you
flagged
it
tom
in
your
kind
of
overview.
I
think,
or
everything
else
did
it's
like
when
you're
talking
about
language,
labs
or
south
hill
business
campus
or
chain
works
right.
We're
also
talking
about,
though,
like
a
single
developer
who,
like
controls,
the
space
can
create
the
environment,
can
chop
it
up.
A
E
A
Have
to
be
in
the
same
building
right
with
the
same
developer.
That
makes
it
easier
right
if
you
can
find
a
property
owner
downtown
who's
like
yeah,
I'm
totally
on
board.
That's
what
john's
done
right.
John
has
put
his
brain
behind
like
how
to
make
it
easy
for
these
pop-up
micro
retail
things
to
work
right.
So,
on
the
one
hand,
we
could
recruit
more
john's
right
and
that's
part
of
it
and
make
that
work,
and
then
the
other
part
of
it
is
is.
Oh.
A
Is
there
a
way,
though,
like
to
also
create
some
of
that
experience
without
having
to
have
everyone
under
the
same
roof,
with
the
same
relative
state
developer,
paying
the
same
rent
to
the
same
person?
That
would
be
interesting
and-
and
I
don't
know-
that's
probably
harder
to
do
than
it
sounds
in
a
meeting
like
this,
but
because,
if
we're
dependent
on
like
the
success
factor
of
those
properties
of
having
like
that
developer,
who
has
the
space
and
has
the
vision?
G
Yeah,
it's
a
really
good
point.
I
chris,
I
think
I
think
part
of
our
process
with
alana
will
be
to
identify
those
willing
developers
and
then
work
with
them
in
terms
of
the
the
end
product
that
makes
it
feel
more
turn
key.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
some
some
fairly
simple
models.
You
know,
for
you
know
like
office,
recruitment
programs
or
where
you
you
know
you,
you
have
a
template
and
you
you
get
everybody
to
buy
in
and
you
you
share
the
information
in
a
standard
way.
E
G
Yeah,
it's
a
little
more
challenging,
but
I
think
I
think
we
can.
You
know
work
with
what
we
have
as
long
as
we
have
property
owners
that
are
interested
in
willing,
which
yeah.
A
A
Yeah
and-
and
I
think
nells
you
said
also
something
about
you
know,
unlike
a
lot
of
other-
maybe
distressed
cities.
You
know
we
don't
have
that
district,
where
we
can
use
kind
of
low
rent
and
available
space
right.
A
Then
it
starts
to
become
a
thing
right,
and
so
it
doesn't
matter
now
that
it's
multiple
developers
in
multiple
spaces,
it's
the
blah
blah
district
within
ithaca,
where
this
stuff
happens,
and
that
would
attract
not
only
ithacans
thompson's
county
but
probably
would
have
a
little
bit
more
of
a
magnet
effect.
So
thinking
about
that,
in
terms
of
like
being
ready,
as
you
said
tom,
to
be
able
to
do
that,
is
you
know
yeah
the
it
seems
like
that,
I'm
starting
to
picture
like
the
banners
from
the
streets,
the.
D
It
may
be
beyond
the
scope
of
this,
but
it
may
I
think
your
comment
there
and
leslie's
comment.
I
mean
thinking
about
some
of
the
consulting
businesses
like
mine
and
others.
I
know
around
you
know.
Most
of
my
work
is
all
over
the
country
very
little,
but
even
in
new
york
state.
So
it's
clearly
an
export
business,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
you
know:
challenges
in
terms
of
marketing
and
business
services
and
things.
D
So
if
you
could
kind
of
package
that
in
a
way
I
could
imagine,
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
mom
and
pop
consulting
businesses
around
the
neighborhoods
that
might
be
willing
to
relocate.
You
know
in
that
innovation
district
and
be
part
of
this
range
of
services.
So
again,
maybe
that's
beyond
the
scope
of
this
this
activity,
but
it
seems
like
there's
some
real
opportunities
there.
F
You
know
the
arts
community-
and
you
know,
quality
of
life
and
really
innovation
is
one
of
those
key
things,
because
you
have
more
patents
and
more
more
dollars
being
spent
on
r
d
here
than
at
mit,
for
instance,
and
that's
not
really
very
well
known,
and
I
would
really
hit
that
hard,
even
in
like
the
titling
of
it.
It's
like
a
a
smart
place
for
smart
businesses
and
smart
folks
to
come
and
work,
and
that's
different
than
what
someone
I
mean.
F
I
know
a
lot
of
town
I
don't
know
which
town
in
michigan
they
mean
and
I
don't
want
to
malign
any
any
michigan
towns.
But
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
say
something
different
as
ithaca.
B
Yeah
some
things
that
a
couple
of
people
just
said
are
making
me
want
to
emphasize
the
maker,
the
manufacturer
aspect
more
than
the
retail
aspect,
because
I
think
that
charlie
mentioned
a
lot
of
examples
of
high
high
revenue
or
potentially
high
revenue
products
that
aren't
really
retail
products
right.
B
B
A
Yeah,
I
mean
you
kind
of
coalesced
around
something
that
was
in
my
mind,
leslie,
which
is
you
know.
We've
got
this
active
first
floor
retail
requirement
and
a
lot
of
our
zoning,
and
I
don't
know
how
far
that
extends.
You
know
down
state
street
etcetera
where
that
that
zoning
requirement
is,
and
it's
there's
a
reason
for
it
right.
A
It's
it's
a
really
useful
requirement,
but
I
do
think
it
needs
to
be
like
re-imagined
in
the
kind
of
retail
apocalypse
world
that
we're
going
to
live
in,
that
we
are
living
in
and
is
only
going
to
continue
right.
I
mean
the
downtowns
that
we
all
imagine
are
gone
right
and,
and
so
we
have
to
reimagine
what
vibrancy
looks
like
at
the
streetscape
level
and
that
you
know
this.
A
One
project
can't
do
all
of
that
right,
but
you
know,
but
I
know
if
we
just
lived
within
the
existing
zoning,
some
of
the
things
that
leslie's
talking
about
may
not
qualify
right
and
then
you're
having
to
deal
with
things
on
a
case-by-case
basis
right.
So
that
seems
like
probably
something
that
you're
going
to
want
to
look
at
as
part
of
this.
G
Yeah-
and
I
would
love-
I
mean
I
I
hope
we
are
able
to
move
forward
with
this.
I
think
we
will
be
appreciating
support
financially
that
this
you
know,
committee
can
provide
which
will
help
leverage
other
funding.
I
I'd
love
to
come
back
and
have
a
you
know
some
structured
questions
to
do
this
again.
This
is
already
you
know,
helping
a
great
deal
so.
A
C
C
Secondly,
would
be
to
commit
a
certain
number
of
dollars
or
up
to
a
certain
number
of
dollars,
and
third
would
be
whether
we
want
to
you
know,
encourage
some
sort
of
formal
role
from
the
ed
committee
or
the
ira
in
the
process.
That's
optional,
of
course,
and
doesn't
need
to
be
resolved
now,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
lay
out
that
there
will
be
an
opportunity.
It
could
be
an
opportunity,
and
maybe
the
best
thing
is
to
have
tom
come
back
on
a
periodic
basis
and
just
have
it.
C
You
know
a
focus
group
discussion
or
set
up
a
focus
group
discussion,
but
I
do
want
to
clarify
a
little
bit
about
the
funding
source,
just
so
you're
aware
of
how
that
works,
because,
typically
we
would
look
to
try
to
package
funding
as
a
cdbg
activity.
We
know
getting
our
annual
funds,
we
spend
money
on
were
the
initiatives
helping
low
and
moderate
income
persons,
but
we
always
have
to
identify
specific
low
mod
beneficiaries
in
those
programs,
and
this
doesn't
really
fit
in
this.
C
This
is
really
a
planning
you
know
earlier
process,
so
what
I've
identified
is
we
do
have
a
balance
of
seventy
thousand
dollars.
Seventy
thousand
two
hundred
twenty
six
dollars
in
a
bank
account
from
a
old
program
which
was
a
small
scale,
rental
assistance
program
where
people
created
duplexes
out
of
single-family
homes
or
at
an
apartment
on
their
house.
It's
20
years
old.
It's
a
long
time
ago.
I
wasn't
even
involved
in
the
program.
C
It
was
so
far
far
back
so
it's
70
000
that
we
have
we'll
never
get
that
money
back,
and
it
is
viewed
a
little
bit
as
kind
of
that
safeguard
funding
that
if
everything
goes
wrong
at
the
federal
government
and
they've
stopped
providing
grant
funding
for
cdbg
at
home,
it's
a
part
of
money
to
fall
back
on.
So
I
don't
want
to
you
know:
we've
always
been
very
careful
about
tapping
into
it,
but
I
think
this
is
a
worthy.
C
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
let
you
know
that
it's
precious
money,
but
I
think
this
is
a
wise
investment,
but
you
know
I
think
it
should
be
at
a
match
funding
level,
so
there's
fifteen
thousand
dollars
and
we'll
have
to
see
what
what
develops
for
the
other
funding
sources.
If
you
want
to
pursue
this
before
we
fill
in
that
number,
but
that's
just
want
to
give
you
that
background.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
comfortable
moving
this
forward
to
the
agency
without
a
number
and
then
having
you
and
the
mayor
recommend
what
we
can
contribute
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
use
that
fund.
I
mean
if
it's
been
sitting
there
for
more
than
20
years.
Now
it's
like,
let's
put
a
little
bit,
I
mean
this.
Is
this?
Is
the
kind
of
crisis?
Maybe
it's
not
the
kind
of
crisis
you
imagine,
but
there's
a
crisis,
that's
mobilized,
and
then
I
think
you
know
tom.
A
You
have
limited
numbers
of
people,
it
sounds
like
you
can
engage
in
the
project.
I
mean
any
of
charlie,
doug
and
leslie.
I
think,
would
be
a
perfect
nominee
to
this
committee
with
their
background,
but
I
think
you
have
to
decide
what
you
need
and
if
what
the
best
thing
you
need
is
to
come
to
this
meeting
every
once
in
a
while
and
just
kind
of
give
us
an
update
and
get
more
ideas,
we
can
do
it
that
way.
A
B
Nels,
I
wanted
to
note
that
your
second
to
last,
whereas
has
a
date,
that's
in
the
future.
It
says
that
december
31st
2021
the
balance,
was
70
000..
That
might
still
be
true
in
10
more
months,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
we
don't.
A
C
Prove
it
in
today,
because
the
time
frame
for
this
is
quite
short,
they
need
to
make
decisions
whether
the
city
is
going
to
be
involved
in
the
cohorts.
This
you
know,
training
system
that
begins
in
march,
so
we
need
to
make
a
decision
if
we're
going
to
be
engaged
in.
A
Okay,
so
I
saw
doug
raise
his
hand
to.
I
guess,
make
a
motion,
I'm
looking
for
a
second
charlie's
nodding,
okay,
and
I
think
we're
all
in
favor
just
make
that
official.
Okay,
yes,.
B
C
Well,
I
think
we
would.
We
probably
should
strike
the
last
one
though,
because
it's
talking
about
a
specific
name,
we
don't
know
right
now,
who
would
how
it
would
be
best
to
proceed
yeah
with
participation,
so
I
think
that
one
probably
should
be
deleted,
but
the
dollar
amount
with
an
unknown
amount,
I
think,
makes
sense
to
retain
be
retained.
E
A
Great
all
right,
so
I
think
we're
done
with
that
item
and
again
tom
you're
welcome
to
come
back
anytime.
A
Should
we
just
take
a
quick
look
at
the
financial
snails
and
then,
if
time
permits,
maybe
we
can
have
a
brief
brainstorm.
That
doug
was
looking
to
have.
C
C
That
was
a
projection,
but
by
her
account,
didn't
realize
that
until
I
saw
this,
but
we
did
talk
about
it
and
the
you
think
of
downtown
associates,
which
is
the
canopy
hotel,
is
past
due,
but
it's
it's
a
quirky
kind
of
thing,
because
they're
only
past
due
on
interest,
that's
owed
that
made
principal
payments
and
there
was
a
a
confusion
between
them
and
m
t
and
they
fell
behind
by
a
dollar
and
80,
and
it
just
mushroomed
over
time.
So
you
know
it's
not
a
it's.
C
Not
a
substantial
issue
is
what
I'm
saying
in
terms
of
past
due
it's,
it's
really
more
of
working
out
the
solution
here
and
figuring
out
what
we're
going
to
do
about
that
interest.
That's
accrued
for
six
months
on
the
dollar,
eighty
and
how
it
creates
penalties,
we're
gonna
waive
them
unless
we
think
the
canopy
has
been.
You
know
truly
at
fault,
because
it's
a
they're
in
a
distressed
situation
for
certain.
C
So,
overall,
things
look
pretty
good
on
the
loans
and
I
do
have
one
project
that
I'm
talking
with
about
new
loans,
a
new
loan
application
in
the
west
end
area.
So
there
may
be
one
underdeveloped
that
we
can
look
at
in
the
future.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
ready
in
the
next.
You
know
four
weeks,
but
I
think
it's
under
development,
so
it
could
be
a
loan
application
in
the
pipeline
and
the.
A
C
A
C
I'm
really
targeting
to
get
that
out
in
the
next.
You
know
five
work
days
for
sure
that
that'll
be
released,
and
you
know
open
it
up
for
for
for
opportunity
for
people
to
formally
respond
and
see
if
there's
any
other
candidates
out
there.
Besides
the
two
that
we've
received
interest
on
it,
it's
just
difficult
to
balance
it
with
the
the
green
street
garage
project
is
moving
towards
bond
financing
closing
and
that
just
has
a
lot
of
moving
parts
that
have
to
work
out
real
estate,
wise
and
and
and
financing.
C
C
C
60
days,
I
think
we
could
you
know
we
were
originally
talking
about
60
days
because
it
really
fit
in
if
I
had
gotten
it
done
before.
You
know
right
after
that
meeting
in
december
we
would
have
been
perfect,
but
we
haven't.
I
have
received
queries
from
both
of
the
two
applicants,
who
came
forward
to
say
they're
still
very.
C
I
haven't
received
any
other,
you
know
queries,
but
you
know,
of
course,
there's
no
rfei
out
there.
I
think
it
might
make
sense
to
time
the
timeline
so
it
matches
up
with
when
the
ed
meets,
so
that
you
know
a
week
before
the
ed
meets
would
be
the
deadline.
We
don't
have
at
least
30
days,
but
you
know
we
don't,
maybe
maybe
that's
a
better
way
to
think
about.
It
is
to
make
sure
we
you
know
in
the
in.
Let's
see
you
know
we're
in
february
so
march.
C
You
know
so
for
we're
going
to
be
busy
at
the
next
meeting.
Looking
at
cdbg
grant
applications,
presumably
so
that'll
be
a
busy
time
there,
and
so
maybe
for
the
next
meeting
in
april
would
be
a
time
to
make
sure
that
we
have
close
the
rfei
and
have
proposals
to
look
at
for
that
meeting
in
april.
C
I
I
did
want
to
mention
it.
I
think
time
left
here,
but
you
I
think
it
was
leslie
who
raised
this
question
several
months
ago,
was
about
a
crew
or
maybe
I'm
maybe
somebody
else
about
the
opportunities
for
crowdsource
funding
to
help
finance
small
businesses
and-
and
actually
tom
knight
is
looking
at
this
question
because
he's
been
working
with
an
organization
that
does
this
it's
taken
a
couple
years
for
for
translating
the
relaxation
and
the
rules
for
raising
funds.
C
You
know
for
crowdsource
funding
for
for
small
business
finance,
but
there
are
a
couple
platforms
out
there
and
he's
actively
looking
at
that
to
explore
whether
it
makes
sense
to
engage
in
some
way
for
the
city
to
be
a
sponsor
or
a
partner
or
choose
a
platform.
That's
out
there.
You
have
to
be
registered
with
the
sec
to
be
able
to
accept
these
investments
there
they
can
be
real,
they
can
be
very
high
risk.
I
thought
an
interesting
one
was
called.
C
What
that
was
called
anyway,
I
can
send
you
some
information
about
about
some
of
them,
because
there's
some
very
interesting
platforms
out
there
that
are
doing
this
within
the
regulations
of
the
federal
government,
and
I
think
that
they
could
be
interesting
to
take
a
look
at
if
we
think
that's
a
model
that
we
want
to
help
pursue.
I
always
a
little
concerned
that
you
know
there's
a
there's,
a
great
opportunity
to
lose
money
investments.
C
One
of
the
I
went
onto
one
of
the
platforms
and
I
swear
75
of
the
businesses
that
were
raising
funds
were
either
breweries
or
distilleries
or
coffee
shops
that
people
like
to
invest
in
things
they
know
about.
But
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
that
you
know
that's
going
to
be
a
you
know.
C
I
think
it
has
some
promise,
but
I
think
it
has
some
pitfalls
and
we
have-
and
we
have
a
very
broad
and
deep
banking
industry
here
in
ithaca-
that's
willing
to
make
loans
they're,
not
all
business,
oriented
and
they're,
not
all
risk
takers
to
any
extent.
But
you
know
to
the
extent
financing
is
a
challenge.
This
could
be
one
way
to
bridge
that,
for
somebody
who
doesn't
have
a
strong,
you
know
strong
assets
or
collateral
for
a
business.
E
B
Not
with
actually
doing
it,
but
I
know-
and
I
know
a
lot
about
the
background
to
these
programs
and
the
sec
rules
that
you
know
are
permitting
it
and
so
forth
and
and
they're
they
do
put
some
pretty
strict
limitations
on
how
much
any
individual
can
invest.
So
you're
not
going
to
lose
your
entire
life
savings.
You
know
you
could
go
down
to
vegas
and
do
that
or
you
could
invest
in
gamestop.
If
you
want
just
you
know,
get
in
at
the
wrong
time
and
you're
screwed.
B
So
it's
you
know
it's
a
neat
opportunity,
not
just
as
as
an
alternative
vehicle
when
there
aren't
always
options
that
fit
every
businesses
need,
but
also
as
an
opportunity
for
individuals
in
the
community
like
us
or
people
with
more
or
less
money
than
any
of
us
to
invest
directly
in
their
community
and
not
just
in
you
know,
target
or
nike
or
whatever.
Is
you
know
on
or
gamestop?
I
guess
for
that
matter.
You
know
what
why
why
are
we
limited
to
wall
street
when
we
reap
direct
benefits
from
economic
growth?
B
A
E
A
Cool
and
then
really
briefly,
I
saw
the
email
that
we
potentially
have
a
couple
candidates.
The
mayor's
interested
in
the
ira
shares
interested
in
moving
forward
might
be
useful.
I
mean
we
don't
need
to
interview
them,
but
it
might
be
useful
for
them
to
attend
the
next
meeting,
if
they're
interested
just
to
kind
of
see
what
we
do.
C
Yeah
I'm
going
to
reach
out
to
them
and
see
if
they,
you
know,
you
know,
I
think
and
see
their
level
of
interest,
their
availability
and
and
then
it's
still
a
final
choice
for
the
chair
to
make
on
those
with
you
know
two:
he
wants
to
reach
out
to
and
touch
base
with
and
see
about
their
interest,
and
I
can
certainly
invite
them
to
attend
a
meeting
and
give
off
from
that
opportunity,
as
well
as
give
a
little
background
on
on
the
committee,
and
would
you
know
I
think
in
this
case
both
of
these
would
diversify.
C
C
We
want
to
stay
with
an
odd
number
to
the
extent
we
can
yeah,
but
if
we
know
somebody
if
they're
both
interested,
you
know
if
an
opening
occurs
in
a
year,
somehow
we've
got
a
backup
person
who
we
can.
You
can
go
to
if
they're
kind
of
pre-vetted
too
you're.
Right,
though
we're
only
there's
only
one
opening
and
the
mayor
did
not,
and
the
chairperson
and
mayor
did
not
indicate
a
preference
of
one
over
the
other
at
this
point
in
time,.
A
Good
all
right
and
then
doug
did
you
want
to
just
tee
up
this
other
topic.
Just
briefly
here.
D
Well,
I
thought
our
previous
conversation
opened
some
doors
to
it,
but
it
just
seems
like
a
lot
of
our
traditional
economic
development.
Loan
business
has
been
thrown
to
the
winds
here
with
kovid
and
and
others.
So
it
seems,
like
it'd,
be
worth
just
sort
of
brainstorming
for
a
while.
If
there
are
other,
you
know,
opportunities
things,
we
should
think
about
talk
about
bring
some
other
people
in
to
be
prepared
for,
hopefully
when
we
we
can
open
doors
again
here
and
connect
with
other
people
and
be
able
to
loan
money
out
again.
D
So
I
don't
know
again,
nels
are
there
I
mean,
are
you
getting?
I
mean?
Typically,
if
people
are
connect
with
you
about,
you
know,
if
they're
at
all
interested
right,
are
you
getting
any
kind
of.
C
Yeah,
a
lot
of
the
feeds
we
get
are
either
as
well
from
tom
or
heather
mcdaniel.
They
both
do
kind
of
visitation
programs
with
businesses.
Heather
skims
off
those
are
expert
oriented
and
refers
those
that
are
more
local
to
the
city
that
they
can't
help.
So
those
are
I
can.
I
can
do
a
little
more
communication
with
them
see
where
they
are.
Tom
has
been
out
there
very
active
in
the
community
he's
trying
to
move
on
this.
C
This
kind
of
seed
program,
which
was
this
character-based
lending
program
that
afcu
has
initiated
with
the
small
business
development,
really
called
small
business
delay
corp
council.
What
is
it
leslie,
sbdc.
C
I
don't
know
what
this
one
stands
for,
but
anyway
they're
both
doing
a
training
program
and
then
then
making
available
loans.
That
could
be
a
scenario
where,
where
that
that
builds
up
some
future
loan
activity-
or
you
know
just
just
the
linkages
with
afc
use-
extensive
small
business
lending
activities
recently
is-
is
an
opportunity,
but
I
think
some
of
the
resources
that
have
been
out
there,
you
know
from
the
federal
government,
have
kind
of
taken
the
place
of
some
of
the
candidates
who
might
have
come
towards
our
door
a
little
bit.
C
It's
a
risky
time
to
seek
out
lindy,
though
right
now,
if
you're
in
an
area,
that's
not
thriving
in
the
remote
economy.
So
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
little
more
work
on
marketing
as
much
as
we
can
and
see
where
we
how
we
can
position
ourselves
to
help
those
businesses
and,
and
frankly,
this
manufacturing
initiative
could
very
well
lead
to
some
other.
You
know
some
support
from
a
financial
perspective,
so
I
think
I
agree.
C
We
should
keep
our
keep
our
channels
open
and
try
to
figure
out
where
we
can
fit
in
best
to
make
to
fill
gaps
in
the
in
the
ed
system
we
have
here,
which
is
pretty
pretty
hard
to
define.
We
don't
really
have
a
an
academic
development
assistance
system.
If
the
county
in
the
city
is
as
from
a
from
a
user's
percep
perspective,
it
can
be
hard
to
figure
out
where,
where
do
you
plug
in
you
make
a
connection,
and
you
get
a
referral
typically
from
downtown.
I
think
alliance,
tom
knight
or
heather.
D
And
where
is
I
mean,
I
know
for
years,
cooperative
extension
was
trying
to
get
a
commercial
kitchen
and
work
with
you
know:
value-added
ag,
businesses
I
mean,
where
are
they
and
are
there
have
have
has
covid
kind
of
ground
a
lot
of
that
work
to
halt
here?
Yeah.
C
I
I
don't
know
exactly
where
they
are:
there's
been
a
lot
more
focus
on
ghost
kitchens
generally
in
terms
of
restaurants
that
have
downtime
that
they
can
use,
or
you
know
their
facilities
and
that
might
might
have
taken
some
of
the
demand
away
from
that
concept.
We
it's
kind
of
been
hard
to
find
the
central.
C
You
know
the
facilitator,
who
would
like
own
the
real
estate
in
the
kitchen
and
make
that
work,
and
there
needs
to
be
probably
an
initial
subsidy
or
to
make
to
make
that
work.
There
was
the
incubator
in
gratin
that
was
created,
but
I
think
that
had
some
challenges
in
operations,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
more
familiarity
with
that.
I
could
ask
heather
how
that
worked.
I
think
it
like
hummus
started
there,
but
it
they
moved
on.
C
So
there
was
some
good
success
in
terms
of
graduating
somebody,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
still
even
in
operation
right
now,
so
it's
a
tricky
area.
I
think
that
the
best
hope
would
be
to
find
kind
of
a
good
sized
kitchen,
that's
being
underutilized
and
try
to
put
it
in
the
you
know,
kind
of
build
it
up,
maybe
for
other
uses.
C
I
always
wonder
about
you
know
not,
for
profit
kind
of
you
know,
does
do
the
amvets
have
a
kitchen
or
the
moose
have
a
kitchen
or
something
because
they
really
have
only
sporadic
demand
for
those,
and
maybe
those
could
could
fit
our
major
connection
at
cornell
cooperative
extension
working
on
that
has
re
retired.
So
there
is
this.
I
believe
that
the
person
who
worked
with.
C
What
is
it
what's
her
name,
who
was
a
landscape
architect
at
working
with
scott
scott's
firm,
has
taken
over
the
lead
of
that
yeah
yeah
camilla
yamil
is
probably
the
person,
so
I
could
reach
out
to
her
and
see
if
there's
some
opportunities
there
and
find
a
little
bit
more,
where
she's
at
I'll
make
a
note
on
that.
D
C
I've
kind
of
heard
about
the
more
in
the
20
to
30
range
for
vacancies,
and
so
the
dia
has
made
a
lot
of
initiatives
to
try
to
turn
that
around
one
of
them
is
they
really
are,
are
making
pop-up
spaces
available
center
ithaca
has
gotten
a
couple
of
those
in
there
very
low
cost
startup
opportunity
for
a
couple
of
months
to
try
it
out,
and
so
it
has
been
that
there's
been
more
food
and
beverage
that
has
been
focused
on
that
it
turns
out,
but
they're
working
with
landlords
who
have
vacancies
and
say
you,
you
know
really.
C
The
argument
is
you've
got
nothing
to
lose
you're,
not
making
any
income
with
a
vacant
space.
Why
don't
you
give
three
months
at
a
low
cost
to
somebody
give
it
a
try
and
in
fact
the
downtown
indic
alliance
has
subsidized
that
so
they're
putting
in
some
of
the
money
in
to
make
that
happen.
So
they've
been
pretty
proactive,
trying
to
figure
out,
but
I
think
the
downtechnical
alliance
wants
to
very
much
be
part
of
this
city
effort.
C
F
Yeah,
I
think
it
is
about
that
turnkey
and
you
know
the
the
there
are
some
really
interesting
high-tech
businesses
that
don't
require
quite
as
much
zoning
and
like
chemical
hoods
and
things
like
that.
So
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
talking
to
some
of
those
incubator
programs
that
graduate
those
and
having
graduation
mobile
space,
because
those
businesses
aren't
really
they're,
typically
like
grant
or
venture
backed,
maybe
and
they're,
not
as
price
sensitive,
so
they're,
typically
like
they're,
they
they're
built
around
one
or
two
people
that
already
live
here.
F
So
if
you
had,
if
you
had
space,
I
mean
if
you'd
had
space
that
worked
for
my
business,
I
certainly
wouldn't
have.
It
would
have
been
there.
But
you
know
my
business
takes
very
specific
capital
requirements
that
don't
really
work
and
their
zoning
and
things,
but
but
there
are
other
businesses.
I
think
that
that
are
up
here
in
the
business
tech
park.
That
could
be
downtown,
and
I
think
it's
it's
it's
that
marketing
piece
that
you
were
talking
about.
Doug.
F
It's
the
innovation
piece,
because
access
to
capital
is
a
big
problem
just
in
general.
But
you
know
startups
in
this
region.
Have
a
difficult
time
raising
funds
because
we're
not
in
silicon
valley
and
we're
not
in
boston.
We
have
some
regional
funders
and
they're
great.
They
support
things
quite
a
bit,
but
you
know
you've
got
a
couple:
few
regional
private
funders,
as
opposed
to
an
area
like
boston
where
you've
got
you
know,
half
a
dozen
or
more
so
you
know,
access
to
capital
turn
key
space.
F
Both
of
those
things
would
really
help
a
lot
and
I
think
a
focus
on
what's
what
we're
best
at
so
it
goes
counter
to
like
low
needs
for
space,
but
you
know
we're
we're
best
at
some
of
the
chemistry,
bio
in
life
sciences
and
genomics
and
nano
fabrication
like
these
very
high
tech
things
that
require
the
capital
infrastructure
of
the
research.
F
That's
already
here,
because
there's
some
huge
it's
several
hundred
million
dollars
of
research
that
goes
on
right,
so
the
I
wouldn't
try
to
compete
in
like
an
I.t
space
like
computer
science
is
great
at
cornell
and
it's
world
class.
But
a
lot
of
other
towns
have
that
as
well.
So
I
would
try
to
compete
in
the
harder
sciences.
The
things
like
the
physical
sciences,
like
the
new
incubator,
that
they've
started,
there's
a
really.
F
There
are
definitely
companies
that
I
think
could
have
been
in
a
really
cool,
turnkey,
downtown
space,
one
of
my
earlier
companies
I
actually
had
you
know:
incubator
space
I
just
rented
a
room
in
the
office
and
on
the
west
end
because
I
needed
a
place
to
do
work,
but
I
didn't
need
a
chem
lab
so
that
that
space
isn't
there
anymore,
but
that
was
like
eight
years
ago,
but
there
are
opportunities-
and
I
think
cornell
specifically
is
trying
hard
to
spend
on
that
and
then
you've
got
ic
doing
the
the
physicians
assistance
program
and
and
more
professional
schools
like
there's
communication
businesses
coming
out.
F
I
see
so
I
think
it's
definitely
not
just
cornell,
but
that
dovetails
into
kind
of
the
arts
community
that
I
mentioned
like,
I
think,
there's
a
really
thriving
art
community
here
and
there's
a
really
high
quality
of
life,
and
I
see
this
in
recruiting
folks
into
my
business.
So
you
know,
we've
got
a
really
cool
college
town,
but
it's
got
world-class
science
and
some
some
really
amazing
innovation.
F
So
I
think
if
you
can
dovetail
both
those
things-
and
I
know
heather
and
tom-
and
they
all
work
on
all
that
stuff
all
the
time
but
making
that
work
for
this
committee
and
then
you
know
revitalizing,
downtown
and
coming
back
to
the
core
mission
of
this
subcommittee,
I
think,
is
really
exciting.
I
can't
staff
anything
right
now,
I'm
I'm
really
busy
and
that's
good
yeah
yeah,
it's
good.
I
mean
if
I'm
really
busy,
that's
it's
it's
good
for
the
economy
right
now,
that's
what
I'll
say
with
in
a
public
forum.
D
C
B
Well,
I
think
affordable
space
you
know
is
is
an
obvious
one
right.
There's,
there's
always
retail
space
available,
whether
it's
a
weird
skinny
little
alley-shaped
thing
or
a
big
giant
storefront.
When
some
you
know
legacy
business
retires
or
what
have
you
and
they're
usually
way
out
of
range
of
a
business
that
might
want
to
occupy
them?
You
know
we.
We
see
a
lot
of
turnover
on
some
of
them
and
I
don't.
B
B
You
know
and
honestly
I
will
also
say
that
not
every
business
should
be
trying
to
be
on
the
commons.
You
know
I
forget
who
it
was.
Who
said?
Maybe
it
was
chris
who
was
talking
about
some
of
the
small
manufacturers
who
might
be
operating
out
of
their
garage
in
lansing
and
that's
a
much
more
profitable
structure
for
them,
even
though
it
might
be
more
fun
and
more
visible
to
be
downtown.
B
That
doesn't
necessarily
translate
to
more
profitable,
so
I
think
partly
helping
people
analyze
what's
going
to
work
for
them,
especially
if
they're
at
a
point
where
they
could
scale
up.
But
there
are
huge
mistakes
made
in
scaling
up
in
the
wrong
way
or
too
big,
or
you
know
having
two
unrealistic
expectations
of
what
that
scale
up
is
going
to
accomplish.
I
don't
know
who
remembers
ithaca
tile
and
hardwood.
B
You
know
they
had
a
thriving
business
and
they
scaled
up
to
what
what's
now
or
what
was
the
green
star
space
and
they
were
there
for
like
a
hot
minute
and
then
went
belly
up,
because
it
was
just
too
big
of
an
expansion,
and
that
was
actually
a
mature
business
relative
to
some
of
the
the
really
new
really
sort
of
micro
operations
who
want
to
become
less
micro.
B
You
know,
anyway,
I
could
probably
babble
on
this.
This
topic
for
for
quite
a
long
time,
but
the
other
piece
I
already
talked
about,
which
was
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
small
businesses
who
have,
astonishingly
cool
or
well-made
or
potentially
you
know
the
next
big
thing
products,
but
don't
have
the
ability
to
make
the
connections
to
distribute,
to
expand
the
the
the
market
and
that's
a
challenge.
Some
people
are
magical
at
it
and
some
people,
you
know,
bang
their
heads
against
the
wall
and
never
manage
to
escape
the
farmer's
market.
D
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
you
raised
a
great
point
about
that
whole
scale-up
thing.
You
know
you
get
that
initial
success,
but
can
you
grow
it
and
you
know
if
you're
been
around
long
enough
to
remember
clever
hans,
that
was
another
serious
scale-up
disaster
to
a
really
thriving
local
business.
B
And
who
was
the
the
barbecue
sauce
guy?
I
forget
his
name
ross,
mama
hot
sauce
or
whatever
he
called
it
when
he
opened
the
barbecue
restaurant
and
that
that
was
a
financial
catastrophe.
F
But
we
we
come
from
very
different
backgrounds
and
then,
and
just
in
terms
of
the
businesses
that
I
interact
with
out
of
incubators
and
high
tech,
space
and
etc,
and
then
so
I
just
said
you
know
a
lot
of
those
businesses
aren't
very
price
sensitive
and
then
you
said
the
opposite
and
and
which
I
think
is
a
really
interesting
point.
Because
is
there
a
way
to
kind
of
marry
these
two
ideas
and
create
more
of
like
a
cooperative
center,
where
I
was
an
early
adopter
of
this
crowd?
F
Funding
micro
lending
program
called
kiva,
which
is
like
15
years
old,
or
something
and
there's
this
whole
issue
of
b
corpse
that
I
know
a
lot
of
people
are
working
on
and
then,
but
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
say
like
if
you
had
just
listened
to
me
when
I
rambled
on
a
minute
ago,
you
might
have
said
okay,
we
need
to
do
like
a
high-tech
incubator.
F
The
thing
is,
that's
been
done,
a
lot
of
places
too
right
and
I
think,
if
you
could
figure
out
how
to
do
like
a
high-tech
incubator,
that's
like
a
cooperative
space
where
there's
like
a
co-op
space
with
like
people
who
know
other
types
of
businesses,
whether
it's
hot
sauce
or
honey,
bees
or
whatever,
where
there's
an
opportunity
to
get
a
lower
rent
base
for
everybody,
like
maybe
there's
like
a
sliding
scale
for
businesses
or
something,
but
you
get
some
sort
of
like
cooperative
nature
aspect
of
it.
F
I
think
there's
a
way
to
do
this
in
a
very
ithaca
kind
of
a
way
that
I
don't
know
how
to
make
that
happen.
But
it's
it's
an
intriguing
idea.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that,
because
things
are
either
targeted
at
like
a
first-time
a
first-time
business
owner,
who's
who's
got
a
particular
skill
set
and,
and
then
there
and
then
it's
targeted
or
it's
targeted
at
like
a
phd
chemist
who's
got
a
new
way
to
clone
something
you
know.
So
if
if
there
was
a
way
to
eat
honeybees
yeah,
if
there.
B
B
F
And
I'm
sitting
in
the
middle
of
a
venture-backed
business,
that's
in
in
the
business
tech
park
up
here
and
it's
a
different
monoculture.
It's
the
opposite
monoculture
right
yeah!
F
Is
there
a
way
to
merge
that
in
some
way
in
downtown
and
create
like
an
innovation
center
that
has
a
combination
of
access
for
access
for
first-time
entrepreneurs,
of
all
different
kinds.
B
I
think
that's
a
really
healthy
way
to
be
thinking
about
it.
You
know,
I
think
that
creates
more
opportunities
and
more
overall
economic
resiliency
and
that's
good
for
everyone
in
the
long
term.
You
know.
D
And
I
would
just
throw
in
an
another
tweak
on
that,
which
I
mean
are
great
connections,
but
I
mean
clearly
some
of
these
large
big
box
strip.
Mall
things
we've
got
now
are
going
to
be
emptying
out
increasingly
over
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
So
are
there
things
that
we
can
use
those
buildings
for
that
utilize?
Some
of
these
ideas.
A
E
B
A
So
thinking
about
like
well
yeah-
that's
just
a
lot
like
now.
Some
of
that
could
be
re-greened
right
when
we
could
put
some
of
that
back
into
the
southwest
park
and
we
could
do
it,
you
know
but
yeah.
They
said
you
know
this
kind
of
reinvention
just
keeps
moving
through
the
city.
I
think
I
think
that's
a
really.
A
You
know
interesting
point
doug
and
I
very
much
yeah
I
like
that
synergy
idea-
and
I
think
also
like
the
third
sector-
is
bringing
innovative
non-profits
into
that
as
well
like
we
have
a
sort
of
monoculture
of
non-profits
in
some
ways
in
the
city
too,
and
they
can't
all
get
cdbg
funding
through
iura
right.
A
They're,
not
capital
intensive
in
most
cases
right,
but
they
really
benefit
from
being
that
same
ecosystem
of
people
who
are
trying
to
create
something.
And
so,
if
you
think
about
that
thing
as
the
the
core
and
what
you're
creating
doesn't
make
us
overly
dependent
on
one
sector
of
the
economy
that
may
or
may
not
work
after
a
period
of
time.
B
Yeah,
you
know
charlie
mentioned
a
couple
times
the
arts
community
and
we
do
have
a
thriving
arts
community
and
we
also
have
a
thriving,
sometimes
not
totally
thriving
financially,
but
we
have
a
very
rich,
not-for-profit
sector.
You
know,
and
I
I
think
that
that
diversity
is
incredibly
valuable
and
that
what
you
said
chris
about
the
the
not-for-profits
thinking
entrepreneurially
it
it
taps
into
something.
B
I've
been
thinking
about
in
my
professional
side
recently,
given
that
you
know
I'm
I'm
looking
at
affordable
for
sale,
housing
which
almost
doesn't
exist
in
ithaca,
pretty
much
doesn't
exist,
except
for
the
the
few
projects
I've
got
and
I
can't
make
them
affordable
anymore.
So
I've
been
thinking
about,
earned
revenue
models
and
I
think
that
that's
a
whole
other
conversation
that
we
could
spend
a
few
hours
on.
You
know
if
we
wanted
to
but
earned
revenue
models
like.
B
Is
there
a
way
to
marry
some
of
these
innovative
businesses
with
the
need
for
earned
revenue
models
for
not-for-profits
and
and
they
synergizing
that
there's
more
business
for
the
maker,
the
manufacturer
of
the
business
and
there's
potential
revenue
for
a
not-for-profit
that
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it?
On
their
own,
so
lots
of
possibilities
out
there
and
I
think,
our
our
amazing
brain
power
in
this
town.
B
A
It's
created
this
really
weird,
like
barbell
real
estate
market,
where
it's
very
it's
getting
harder
and
harder
to
align
the
type
of
real
estate
to
the
people
who
actually
need
some
real
estate,
but
not
very
much,
but
not
at
a
price
that
can't
be
afforded
where
a
developer
then
comes
in
we've
all
seen
them
through
this
committee
right
all
the
developer
projects
that
come
in
and
they're
like
yeah,
but
I
have
this
one
percent
wiggle
room
that
you
know
it's
like,
but
they're
building
this
massive
thing
right
and
that
doesn't
really
fit
with
what
we're
talking
about
here
so
somehow,
like
that,
has
that
had
a
macro
view
of
how
real
estate
plays
out
in
the
city
over
medium
term.
A
It
seems
like
kind
of
part
of
this
right,
so
if
all
of
west
state
street
becomes
five-story
economic
redevelopment,
projects
that
have
market
rate,
even
maybe
a
mix
of
even
market
rate,
affordable
housing,
but
requires
some
commercial
element,
but
that
commercial
element
is
of
a
certain
style
and
price
point
that
is
doesn't
helps
charlie's
types
of
businesses
and
doesn't
help
the
kinds
of
businesses
you're
talking
about.
Then
you
just
have
a
pretty
a
pretty
empty
state
street.
C
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
There
was
a
time
when,
when
the
ground
floor,
retail
was
was
the
problem
most
profitable,
part
of
of
of
a
project
in
ethical,
and
now
it's
a
loss
leader,
basically
right
so
rather
than
requiring
street
level
activity.
Maybe
we
require
affordable
lease
space
to
to
a
another.
You
know
a
use,
maybe
it's
a
manufacturing
user.
May
you
know
that
could
be
another
model
to
take
a
look
at
when
we
have
some
control
over.
You
know:
incentives
for
the
project
right.
A
Which
yeah
we
don't
always
but
I've
cognizant
that
it's
not
six
past
five
and
although
we
all
do
these
meetings
from
the
comfort
of
our
home,
except
for
maybe
charlie
who's
in
his
office,
maybe
we
could
adjourn
here
unless
there's
practice.
C
Hey,
I
did
just
remember
the
name
of
the
the
crowdsource
funding
platform
that
was
the
most
impressive
of
the
ones
tom
was
looking
at
that
he
shared
with
me.
It's
all
this
talk
about
the
honeybees,
it's
called
honeycomb
credit.
So
if
you
only
just,
I
can
send
you
a
link
if
you
want
to
just
check
it
out,
it's
really
more
of
a
almost
like
a
model
like
the
kind
of
loans
we
make.
It's.
C
So
I
might
if
you're
interested
in
that
model
might
be
one
worth
looking.
C
F
A
All
right
really
great
meeting
today,
everybody
actually
the
last
few
meetings-
have
been
really
really
really
good
exchange.
It's
nice
to
be
able
to
get
into
some
meatier
topics
and
yeah
and,
as
nell
says
probably
march,
will
have
the
cdbg
applications
to
review
for
ed,
so
that'll
be
our
march
meeting
march
9th,
I
assume
yep,
I
mean
this
is
a
28
day,
feb
great
all
right.
Everyone
have
a
great
evening.
Thank
you
very
much
very.