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A
A
So
the
proposal
would
trigger
a
bunch
of
federal
money
that
would
be
available
for
a
project
to
develop
a
detailed
plan
for
state
bird
bicycling
corridors
in
Ithaca.
A
This
is
really
important
as
a
means
of
transportation
for
people
who
either
can't
afford
or
choose
not
to
own
a
car.
It
is
really
important
for
reducing
emissions
if
we
can
increase
even
marginally.
The
number
of
folks
using
bicycles
for
transportation
as
you've
seen
I,
think
it's
like
share,
has
been
very
popular
in
its
initial
small
launch.
A
It
will
get
bigger
this
spring
and
there
will
be
more
of
a
need
for
safe
infrastructure
on
the
roadways
for
a
bicycle,
so
this
proposal
takes
actually
a
fairly
detailed
proposal
that
you
developed
a
couple
of
years
ago
with
a
good
deal.
A
Public
input,
including
from
the
city
leaders,
India
I,
think
you
may
have
kind
of
wish
some
of
those
focus
groups
and
surveys,
and
we
also
look
at
Bike
Share
data
showing
where
people
need
to
bike
to
the
Practical
destinations
that
they
need
to
get
to
that
all
inform
this
conceptual
set
of
quarters.
So
this
proposal
would
manage
into
the
body
expertise
to
do
a
really
detailed
look
at
what's
possible
in
Ithaca.
A
So
this
is
a
tremendously
exciting
moment
and
we've
seen
other
cities
in
the
U.S
and
in
Europe,
embrace
the
opportunity
and
pandemic
to
open
up
more
spaces
for
active
transportation.
B
D
Thank
you,
I
want
to
thank
both
the
speakers
and
and
I
really
thank
Teresa
all
for
always
reminding
us
of
our
forgotten
populations
right,
which
is
very
important,
and
it's
great
to
hear
about
you
know
a
lot
of
this
work
with
white
walk.
Talkers
I
was
there
from
the
beginning,
and
that's
really
enlightening
to
see
it
really
important
part
of
how
we
want
to
move
our
city
and
because
of
the
population
who
wants
to
move
that
it'll
happen.
B
D
And
our
money
is
helping
luxury
apartments
and,
as
someone
who
watched
many
of
our
community
members,
we
shipped
to
the
outskirts
because
of
affordable
housing
and
many
of
our
people
who
work
in
this
community
can't
live
in
this
community
because
it's
too
expensive
it's
really
important
and
I.
Thank
you
again
for
reminding
us
and
I
think
and
I
think
Mike.
You
know
I.
Thank
you
all
for
reminding
us
the
importance.
My
my
thing
with
the
writing
piece.
D
Of
course
Spring
is
going
to
bring
around
a
lot
of
bikers,
but
we,
what
always
in
in
helping
with
this
will
always
worries
me-
is
we
have
more
cold
weather
than
warm
weather
right
and
and
I
know.
There's
been
a
lot
of
programs
created
to
help
communities
that
five
six
in
the
morning
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
wipe
their
kids
up
to
communal
Medical
Center.
So
I
I
really
respect
a
lot
of
the
work
that
y'all
are
doing
and
always
in
support
anywhere
that
you're
sitting.
B
A
Teresa
and
Margaret
for
coming
tonight,
I
was
happy
to
attend
the
Thompkins
County
Legislature
meeting
last
night
and
had
a
chance
to
see
that
they
voted
in
support
of
raise
the
wage.
B
A
Is
a
resolution
in
support
of
a
state
action
to
raise
the
wage
Statewide,
which,
at
least
in
the
first
steps,
would
raise
the
wage
to
16
an
hour
in
2024,
keeping
in
mind
that
the
living
wage
in
Hopkins
County
right
now
is
1661.,
so
still
not
quite
a
living
wage,
but
yet
getting
closer
in
that
direction?
A
E
A
The
idea
that
the
city
should
seize
property
in
order
to
refurbish
it
and
then
rent
it
out
at
an
affordable
rate
and
very
reluctant
to
entertain
the
idea
of
taking
property
from
private
property
owners.
I
also
have
had
many
interesting
conversations
with
service
providers
who
represent
those
who
do
live
in
these
deplorable
units.
Absolutely
I,
agree
and
concerned
about
those
units,
but
at
the
same
time,
are
very
apprehensive
of
those
units
being
sold
to
someone
else
who
will
then
refurbish
them
and
rent
them
at
a
higher
rate.
A
A
The
city,
but
it
really
comes
down
to
the
idea.
The
Ida
is
the
authority
on
whether
or
not
a
development
receives
a
tax
abatement.
Whether
the
city
gives
the
nod
and
support,
or
not
so
I
do
agree
that
I'm
not
in
support
of
the
ctap
program,
but
I
also
recognize
that
that
power
is
fully
vested
in.
F
The
Ida
for
the
city
itself.
A
The
the
ability
to
respond
or
create
affordable
housing.
We
have
the
ability
to
set
zoning
regulations.
You
can
change
the
parameters
of
density,
we
are
not
developers,
we
create
environments
for
developers.
We
do
wait
for
developers
to
take
opportunities
and
work
with
the
city
to
find
those
opportunities
on
private
property.
As
you
know,
it
takes
years.
A
C
No
I'll
just
add
my
things
as
well:
it's
always
good
to
hear
Teresa's
voice
and
we
will
have
an
opportunity
in
the
near
future.
They
have
a
visit
from
the
Ida
and
also
hearing
a
little
bit
more
about
ways
that
seat
that
might
be
used
in
an
upcoming
projects.
So
I
think
that
will
open
up
a
good
conversation
for
us,
perhaps
to
begin
to
think
about
that
in
the
way
that
we
have
some
control,
which
is
as
Cynthia
notes
better.
C
So
I
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
again
for
the
support
for
the
piece
that
we're
going
to
go
into
shortly.
C
Okay,
so
seeing
no
other
response,
let's
move
on
to
an
update
from
the
working
group
on
sanctioned
encampments
I.
Think
Lisa
is
going
to
leave
that.
But
of
course,
Cynthia
we've
been
I'm.
A
Sure
she'll
be
invited
to
join
me.
Please,
please
fill
in
any
details
that
I
asked,
so
the
working
group
has
been
meeting
twice
a
week
twice
a
month
since
our
last
meeting.
We
have
a
draft
policy
now
or
internal
and
external
review.
It
was
circulated
to
Common
Council
and
this
is
a
pilot
and
we
so
we
so
it
circulated
we're
great
we're
taking
it
out
for
comment
right
now.
We
just
met
with
the
county
staff.
A
Today
we're
going
to
meet
with
the
service
providers,
Outreach
workers
City
staff,
to
get
input
on
it
to
see
how
it
might
evolve.
We
do
expect
it
to
evolve,
so
I
won't
go
into
great
detail
of
the
too
much
about
the
policy,
but
you
know
I,
just
I
do
want
to
say
that
it's
a
pilot-
and
you
know
this
year-
that
it
feels
like
we
really
need
to
try
something
rather
than
nothing
and
test
out
Solutions
and
get
feedback
evaluate
and
hopefully
learn
and
improve
and
go
into
next
year.
A
Even
more
prepared
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
the
policy
is
about
and
what
the
group
was
charged
with
was
developing
a
policy
about
managing
encampments
on
city
property,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
you
know
the
group
and
the
city
understands
that
this
is
not
larger
issues,
an
issue
of
access
to
permanent
Supportive,
Housing,
affordable
housing
and,
on
you
know,
separate
track.
We
are
working
with
our
partners
to
to
solve
that
problem.
This.
This
policy
is
not
exactly
about
that.
A
A
Yeah
I
guess
what
I
would
add
is
that
we
all
again
recognize
that
it
takes
years
to
to
create
new
units
either
permanent
Supportive,
Housing
or
affordable
housing.
And
so,
in
the
meantime,
working
with
our
Community
Partners
to.
A
Provide
Outreach
and
access
of
services
to
the
greatest
extent
possible,
while
also
creating
space
in
our
community
that
will
be
safe
and
healthy,
both
for
those
who
are
living
unhoused,
but
also
for
spaces
that
that
we
have
other
intentions
for,
and
so
it's
a
multi-faceted
approach.
We
definitely
need
cooperation
of
all
of
our
partners
to
make
this
work
and
and
I
look
forward
to
having
a
further
discussion
on
it
last
month
when
it
comes
to
this
committee.
Yes,
it
should
come
in
April.
C
A
D
This
is
about
the
encampments
thank
the
encampments
along
the
city
plant
right
and
we'll
just
this
is
not
going
to
be
if
it's
going
to
be
a
because
this
is
tries,
is
just
one
of
the
encampments
that
we're
talking
about.
Is
this
gonna
focus
on
other
encampment,
other
sanctions
of
the
city,
land?
We'll
just
be
saying?
Yes,
we
can
do
this
on
other
areas
in
the
city,
so
the
policy.
B
A
This
is
not
enactment
of
the
tides
proposal.
Oh
okay
right,
so
it
shouldn't
be
confused
with.
C
Okay,
then
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
first
and
only
voting
item
of
the
evening,
which
is
and
we're
gonna
invite
Aaron
up
to
the
microphone,
which
is
an
authorization
for
matching
funds
for
a
carbon
reduction
grants
or
the
transportation
Network
project.
So
we
do
have
a
memo
from
Aaron
and
we
also
have
a
resolution.
Should
we
move
the
resolution
first,
so
we
can
then
have
Aaron
commit
or
a
comment
on
that
or
join
us
in
that
discussion.
G
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
resolution
proposal
for
the
city
of
Ithaca
to
use
federal
funding
through
the
carbon
Reduction
Program
for
the
Ithaca
active
Transportation
Network
project,
whereas
the
city
of
Ithaca
desires
to
provide
Safe,
multimodal
Transportation
infrastructure
to
its
residents
and
visitors
and
whereas
the
city
of
Ithaca
for
its
Green
New
Deal
aspires
to
reduce
carbon
emissions
originating
from
Transportation
sources
and
understands
that
provision
of
multimodal
Transportation
infrastructure
results
in
a
greater
shared
people,
walking
and
biking
in
the
city
and
whereas
the
United
States
Department
of
Transportation
through
its
bipartisan
age,
establish
the
carbon
Reduction
Program
to
fund
certain
categories
of
projects
that
have
the
effect
of
reducing
carbon
emissions
and
whereas
it
becomes
Transportation,
Metropolitan
planning
organization.
G
G
F
C
I
Should
also
say
that
Fernando,
the
Aragon
director
of
itctc
is
also
here
sure
if
we
have
any
questions
for
about
idctc's.
I
And
I
wanted
to
show
you
this
to
Matt,
which
is
hard
to
see
on
Zoom.
But
this
is
kind
of
the
general
idea
of
where
the.
A
Corridors
would
probably
be
going
for
a
bike
Network
in
Indica,
but
through
more
public
Outreach.
We
would
you
know
land
on
something
more
exact.
I
Blackhawk
champions
in
the
past
did
some
extensive
public
Outreach
to
come
up
with
a
bicycle.
Corridor
concept
for
Ithaca,
like
a
plan
of
our
bike
networks,
and
the
city
was
informed
that
itctc
had
access
to
those
Federal
carbon
Reduction,
Program
money
in
the
amount
of
463,
855
I
believe
and
we
are-
are.
A
Allowed
to
to
use
that
funding
for
a
carbon
production
project.
I
I
I
I
And
then,
through
discussions,
we
decided
that
this
is
really
much
more
than
a
bike
plan,
which
is
why
we're
not
calling
it
and
we're
calling
it.
It
could
Transportation
active,
Transportation
Network
because
everywhere
where
we
would
be
adding
some
sort
of
bike
infrastructure.
I
We
also
have
the
opportunity
I
want
to
take
advantage
of
that
opportunity
to
do
pedestrian
improvements
to
do
improvements
at
intersections
to
just
general
make
these
generally
make
these
Corridor
streets
just
nicer
places
for
our
residents
and
visitors
to
be
and
to
travel
along,
and
we
wanted
to
do
this
project
all
as
or
I
wanted
to
do
this
project
all
in
one.
Instead
of
planning
each
individual
Corridor.
A
For
a
number
of
reasons,
one
is
that
you
can
plan
the
entry
sections
better.
That
way,
if
you
have.
I
Issue
for
people
in
the
city,
the
benefits
of
the
project
are
distributed
across
more
people.
If
anyone
is
frustrated
with,
what's
being
planned,.
A
Just
much
fairer
to
do
it
in
one
Fell,
Swoop
and
also
cleaner
I
think
we
would
get
a
better
project
out
of
them.
So
the.
I
Project
I
was
talking
to
Steve
there
earlier
about
this,
and
assuming
that
pedc
would
like
to
continue
this
to
council.
What
would
happen
is
I
would
talk
to
Steve
and
he
would
establish
a
capital
project
number.
A
And
then
I
would
update
the
resolution
to
have
a
capital
development
number
in
that
in
the
memo
to
make
it
clear
where
the
funding
would
be
coming
from
and
the
funding
wouldn't
be
for
just
out
of
the
school
year
2023.
It
would
also
be
either
this
evening
in.
I
2024
and
because
it's
a
reimbursement,
the
money
is
reimbursement
money.
So
we
wouldn't
need
to
have
this
pile
of
money
all
at.
A
A
I
A
Of
this
project
receiving
this
funding-
and
they
said
this-
isn't
like
exactly
what
this
funding
is
made
for
right,
it
has
to
be
Transportation
options
that
reduce
carbon
emissions
in
some
way
and
encouraging
people
to
use
active
Transportation
modes,
we'll.
C
Okay,
great
thank
you.
I
noted
that
Eric
was
here,
but
I
also
understand
that
Rebecca
may
be
with
us
and
would
also
have
some
information
if
you
have
any
questions
or
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
was
gonna.
Ask
for
that
as
well.
So
do
we
see
do
we
have
any
questions
from
anyone?
I
have
one
that
I'll
start
with.
Thank
you
for
bringing
up
the
conversation
with
Steve
because
I.
C
That
was
something
I
questioned
about
whether
or
not
we
knew
where
that
money
that
local
money
match
might
come
from,
and
then
the
other
question
was
I
as
I'm
reading
this
I
understand
it's
it's
a
it's
a
project
to
design
and
then
on
the
other
side
of
this
we
understand
what
the
cost
would
be
to
implement
is.
I
Be
and
oh
I
forgot
to
also
mention
that
there's
a
lot
of
public
Outreach
built
into
this
budget,
dedicated
public
Outreach
for.
A
Every
one
of
these
corridors
of
right
now
the
budget
includes
twenty
thousand
dollars
each
for
each
Corridor
Outreach,
which
is
a
lot.
B
B
A
B
A
A
Local
match
would
obviously
be
less
too.
This
is
the
kind
of
by
the
end
of
what
we
could
potentially
have
to
remember.
C
And
I
also
understand
it.
It
sounds
like
there
is
some
benefit
to
doing
this,
all
in
one
plan,
so
the
but
but
then
any
other
costs
that
might
be
on
the
other
side
to
do
that
level
of
implementation.
Could
that
potentially
be
phased
so.
A
Then
that
puts
aside
an
extremely
good
in
an
extremely
good
position
to
apply
for
and
hopefully
receive
federal
or
other
funding
for
implementation.
So
that
would
be
there's.
A
A
I
definitely
saw
in
the
this
other
grant
that
we
just
received
a
smart,
Grant
Federal,
smart
Grant.
We
submitted
an
extremely
detailed
proposal.
A
And
I
think
that
made
us
very
competitive
because
we
were
selected,
but
they
only
selected
about
a
seventh
of
the
proposals
and
we
were
one
of
them.
So
I
think
that
really
helped
and
I
feel
strongly
that
doing
this
project
in
a
way
we're
envisioning.
It
would
allow
us
to
have
so
much
to.
I
A
E
This
looks
really
exciting
and
it
is
quite
an
accomplishment
to
receive
this
award.
I
The
city-
and
we
would
this
project
we
would
be
doing-
would
be
just
designing
the
secret
portion,
but
we
can
certainly
talk.
A
With
the
other
municipality,
like
the
town,
for
instance,
in
Plano
about
you
know,
do
they
want
to
partner
on
on
something
like.
I
I
But
the
cost
estimate
we
got
was
not
for
any.
A
E
I
I,
this
is
a
starting
place
right,
we're
kind
of
we
needed
to
start
from
somewhere,
so
we
started
with
where
by
Guam
tonkin's,
better
bike.
Network
plan
ended,
but
that's
not.
Maybe
this
is
a
bit
misleading.
The
process
of
coming
up
with
a
plan
for
the
city
and
the
public
Outreach
will
help
us
determine.
B
I
A
I
A
A
There's
so
many
barriers
to
having
a
really
good
pedestrian
Network
in
our
style,
for
example,
West
Village
Apartments
there.
It
would
be
ideal
if
there
was
a
connection
between
West
Florida
departments
that
you
could
go
directly
down
to
Floral
right.
But
you
can't
right,
you
have
to
go
through
private
property.
They
have
shut
down
the
fence,
they've
not
allowed
that
kind
of
access,
and
so
I'm
hopeful
and
I
see
you
nodding.
So
I
hope
that
this
is
the
case
that
this
might
be
an
opportunity
not
just
to
reinforce
existing
networks
that
are
there.
A
B
A
Know
whether
you're
talking
about
Linden,
Creek
or
whatever
you
know
so,
I
didn't
I
hope
that
this
is
one
venue
that
would
allow
us
to
do
that.
So.
A
Floral
Avenue
about
bringing
a
path
through
there
about
formula
or
you
know,
reconstructing
the
steps
that
go
up
from
you
know
the
intersection
of
Floral
Avenue
and
in
79
that
go
up
to
the
apartment,
complex.
I
A
Us,
for
various
reasons,
maintenance
reasons,
other
things
like
that
in
the
city
we
are,
we
can't
build
through
their
property
right,
so
we
are
talking
about
that,
and
that
was
something
that
we
actually
were
discussing,
that
we
were
hopeful
as
a
we.
I
Could
do
as
part
of
the
seven
million
dollar
grant
that
tcat
and
these
Partners,
including
the
city
of
Mississippi,
the
elected
Mobility
prize,
because
that's
focused
largely
on
the
West
Hill,
the
Electric
Mobility
prize
with
the
with
the
electric?
It's
not
car
share.
It's
like
almost
like
an
Uber
service
that
will
be
run
by
a
broken
promise
initiative
and.
A
We
were
hoping
that
we
would
be
able
to
include
walking
the
paths
directly
from
West
Village
Apartments
to
Floral
Avenue
through
that
project.
So
we
did
start
those
conversations
and
so
far
we
don't
have
a
partnership
that
would
allow
that
to
happen
and.
I
So
I
don't
think
to
be
honest,
I
I,
wasn't
thinking
of
building
expressly
pedestrian
pets
with
this
I
was
thinking
of
this
more
as
improving
existing
streets
to
make
them
better
for
active
transportation
in
general,
not
building
new
staircases,
That
Couldn't,
Also,
Serve
cyclists,
for
instance,
but.
A
I
hear
you
and
we're
talking
with
the
property
owners
about
that
and
we're
definitely
trying
to
figure
out
a
funding
source
and
hopefully
to.
A
C
D
I
have
a
few
questions.
I'll
start
with
that's
misleading
from
what
you've
said.
So
maybe
you
should
leave
that
out,
because
it's
not
looking
at
that.
How
makes
me
after
listening
to
you,
will
make
you
think
of
these.
It's
just
pretty
it's
misleading.
So
that
way
you
need
a
number
of
updates
yeah.
You
said
so
this
money
has
already
been
you
if
it
hasn't
been
submitted,
or
has
it
been
approved,
yeah
so.
I
D
I
That
means
that
instead
of
designing
or
not
really
designing,
because
we're
not
going
to
come
with
we're
not
going
to
end
up
with
construction
drawings
or
you
know,
detailed
design
drives,
as
you
would
for
a
project
that
you're
doing
detailed
engineering
on,
but
instead
of
looking
at
one
street
this
year
or
two
streets
and
then
next
year,
when
we
get
a
little
bit
more
money
looking
at
another
one
or
two
streets,
this
large
amount
of
funny
funding
that
we
have
access
to
through
this
Garden
Reduction
Program
allows
us
to
look
at
a
much
bigger
area
and
to
plan
a
bunch
of
quarters
at
once,
and
also
this
isn't
a
complete
bike.
I
Network
I
hope
it's
not
or
a
complete
pedestrian
and
bike
Improvement.
You
know
this
is
like
a
backbone.
It
would
be
nice
and
I
would
love
to
work
toward
people
being
able
to
walk
and
bike
on.
I
So
this
is
not
like
we're
going
to
design
these
six
or
seven.
However,
many
streets
end
up
being
and
then
we're
done
as
a
city
right.
D
Because
I
was
thinking
like
all
these
different
areas
that
one
time
getting
the
work
done
on.
I
B
C
Yep
all
right,
thank
you.
Eric
I
was
just
going
to
turn
to
you
and
I'm
sure
you
have
something
you'd
like
to
add.
K
Yeah
I
think
just
on
this
part
of
the
conversation.
You
know
the
difficulty
and
one
of
the
reasons
Aaron's
talking
about
that.
We
want
to
look
at
everything
at
once
and
certainly
I
agree.
We
wouldn't
construct
Everything
at
Once.
Is
that
part
of
the
part
of
the
problem?
I
think
that
we've
had
in
the
past?
Is
we
have
a
lot
of
individual
projects?
So
we
look
at
them
one
by
one
and
I,
think
it's
better
to
look
more
comprehensively
and
understand
as
a
city
with
a
larger
public
Outreach.
K
What
are
we
willing
to
give
up
to
get
the
thing
that
we
want
to
get
you
know
doing
doing
things
like
this
are
difficult
are
politically
sensitive,
so
we're
trying
to
pick
our
battles
here
and
say
these
are
important
networks.
These
are
places
people
want
to
get
to
and
from
so
let's
start
here
and
see
what
it
would
take
to
get
something
that's
going
to
make
people
feel
safe
getting
to
and
from
and
really
focus
the
effort
on
there.
K
So
if
you
don't
look
at
it
more
comprehensively,
we're
missing
an
opportunity
to
really
get
a
robust
public
Outreach
of
what
the
city's
larger
or
people
in
the
city,
what
their
larger
goals
are
for
getting
to
and
from
and
like
I
said
importantly,
and
what
looking
at?
What
are
the
consequences
of
that
is
that
something
we
can
live
with.
K
D
You
I
think
so
on
to
say
we're
looking
for
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
I
see
it
somewhere
else,
Steve
Irvin
somewhere,
but
anybody
I
just
like
concerned
when
you
talk
about
making
sure
that
it's
okay
for
for
people
and
West
Village
Chestnut,
aren't
included
in
these
these
talks
or
these
studies
it's
a
little
like
right.
D
I
You're
right
thinking,
I,
don't
know
the
attraction,
but
we
we
are
going
to
do
so
much
Outreach
and
we
are.
A
I
Want
to
take
what's
been
done
by
bike
pumpkins
and
others.
It's
like
this,
the
Outreach
they
did
gave
us
this
end
result,
and
so,
let's
start
with
that
and
have
Outreach
to
discuss
how's.
This
look
is
this:
where
we
really
want
our
routes
to
go.
Do
we
need
to
change
some
things?
What's
the
most
important,
so
then,
after
the
initial
Outreach
to
come
up
with
kind
of
like
comments.
A
A
G
I
just
want
to
quickly
say
that
this
is
a
very
exciting
proposal
to
me,
especially
the
fact
that
it's
so
grounded
in
community
input.
We've
already
heard
from
how
like
a
lot
of
Necessities,
you
know
affordable,
groceries,
Medical
Services
aren't
accessible
to
people
unless
they
can
drive
or
have
the
you
know,
funding
to
be
able
to
to
find
rides.
I
I'm
really
proud,
as
a
city
is
back
to
have
to
be
able
to
work
with
my
companies
on
their
projects
and
I
think
that
they
do
really
great
work
here
and
they
really
help
us
engage
with
the
community
and
they
they've
done
a
great
they've
done
a
great
amount
of
work
and
set
us
up
well
for
for
this
project,.
C
C
Okay,
so
what
was
in
favor-
and
that
looks
like
it
passes
four
zero.
So
thank
you
to
thank
you
for
the
Fernando
and
Ruth
for
being
here
for
support
and
thank
you
also
Eric
and,
if
Rebecca's
there
somewhere.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thanks.
I
C
Okay,
so
next
we're
going
to
into
a
couple
of
discussion
items.
The
first
is
on
a
redesigned
update
for
a
redesign
of
the
farmer's
market,
we've
seen
since
you
through
this
in
the
past.
So
there's
some
new
ones
that
have
impaired
with
us.
I
think
is
the
team
going
to
join
us
virtually
okay,
that's
great
at
least
I.
Think
you're
gonna.
Are
you
gonna
kick
this
off
and
then
hand
it
over
to
the
public
school
with
them.
A
A
The
farmer's
market
is
proposing
changes,
as
you
know,
but
now
there
are
new
changes
to
the
old
changes,
but
the
the
leaseholder
for
they
they
have
a
lease
with
the
IRA
that
city
has
delegated
the
IRA
to
whole
beliefs,
but
the
IRA
wants
some
guidance
common
Council
about
this
about
this
design.
I
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
the
ivory
can
make
the
decision,
so
this
is
for
feedback
on
the
redesigned
partnership.
M
N
Yeah
I
think
just
to
point
out
and
emphasize
that
the
you
know,
as
the
these
structures
are
established
right
now.
The
Ithaca
Farmers
Market
requires
consent
from
the
Ithaca
urban
renewal
agency
to
make
changes
to
structures
at
Steamboat
Landing.
But
the
the
IRA
really
undertook
this
whole
process
of
leasing
at
the
direction
of
the
County
Council,
who
wanted
to
negotiate
a
a
structure
and
an
agreement
for
the
farmer's
market
to
be
located
at
Steamboat,
Landing.
N
So
I
think
the
agency
really
would
welcome
any
input
from
from
the
committee
or
other
council
members
on
how
on
issues
they
would
like
the
IRA
to
look
at
closer
or
let
us
know
that
you
want
to
just
or
your
views
on
on
the
project.
I
guess
I
will
forward
those
to
the
IRA
when
they
consider
it
and
that
way
we'll
have
the
input
from
the
County
Council.
When
we
consider
the
request
for
consent
of
this
project.
N
C
B
C
Here
we
go
okay
and
are
most
of
these
things
in
the
packet
that
we've
already
received,
but
at
least.
L
This
is
everything
that's
in
the
packet.
Thank
you
no
surprises
here.
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
having
us
tonight.
It's
actually
really
wonderful
that
we've
got
this
process
moving,
there's
so
much
kind
of
excitement
about
this
right
now,
so
just
to
kind
of
give
everybody
a
little
bit
of
an
overview.
L
You
know,
since
the
last
time
this
was
seen
publicly
was
in
January
of
2022,
so
it's
been
over
a
year
and
that
was
at
the
planning
board.
So
to
kind
of
back
up.
This
started
back
in
2019
with
a
plan
that
the
farmers
market
would
like
to
improve
the
parking,
the
Waterfront
and
erect
a
new
building
at
the
current
site
of
the
Pavilion.
L
L
Since
we
kind
of
started
this
process-
and
so
you
know
in
the
shift
in
ifm
leadership
and
such
and
so
really
what
happened
is
it
was
clear
there
was
not
as
much
of
a
desire
an
appetite
to
undertake.
You
know
building
an
extremely
costly
new
structure
that
would
really
disrupt
the
ability
to
continue
having
the
market
at
that
site
during
kind
of
a
prolonged
construction
process.
L
So
in
the
fall
of
this
past
year,
2022
with
them,
together
with
pre-design,
build
and
Steve
gibeon,
who
was
the
original
architect
for
the
Pavilion,
we
undertook
an
Outreach
process
to
kind
of
get
some
new
understandings
of
what
was
really
needed
and
what
was
really
loved
and
wanted,
and
you
know,
aside
from
the
fact
that
you
know
it's
costly
and
disruptive,
one
thing
that
came
out
of
that
process
that
we
really
heard
loud
and
clear.
Is
that
there's
a
lot
of
love?
L
There's
a
lot
of
affection
for
that
Pavilion
as
it
stands?
It's
a
warm
building
and
people
love
that
warmth
and
didn't
want
to
lose
it,
and
so
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
rather
than
think
about
having
a
whole
new
building
in
that
long
disruption.
L
The
farmer's
market
membership
has
really
kind
of
gotten
behind
the
idea
of
taking
the
existing
Pavilion,
making
some
improvements
and
some
additions
to
it,
bringing
it
up
to
code-
and
you
know,
and
putting
some
additions
on
that
Mike
will
get
into
in
a
little
bit.
But
let's
get
you
an
overview
of
what's
happening
right
now
and
what
is
Phase
to
be
so,
if
you
can
see
on
the
screen
there,
let
me
make
that
a
little
bit
bigger.
L
So
we
can
just
see
that
one
piece,
so
this
is
what's
being
planned
phase.
One
would
be
a
new
parking
lot,
so
I
know
I'm,
not
the
only
one
who
times
my
arrival
at
the
farmer's
market,
with
an
extra
25
minutes
just
for
getting
from
the
light
at
at
Third
Street
all
the
way
into
the
Pavilion
if
I'm
driving.
L
It
might
be
about
the
same
if
I'm
walking
too.
But
the
parking
lot
has
really
been
an
issue
and
and
causes
people
to
either
think
maybe
I
won't
go
or
it
causes
the
flow
of
traffic
to
be
so
slow
that
it's
there's
not
as
much
turnover
of
visitors
and
it
gets
really
crowded
there.
Really
isn't
enough
parking
there
for
the
kinds
of
visitors
that
come
to
the
market,
so
we're
looking
at
a
phase,
one
Improvement
to
the
parking
lot
and
we'll
get
into
detail
about
that
later.
L
Phase
two
in
yellow
on
the
screen
is
improvements
to
the
waterfront
and
that
would
include
it's
kind
of
straightening
out
the
Waterfront
Trail
having
additional
seating
and
Plaza
areas
having
more
access
to
the
Waterfront
people,
love
going
to
the
Waterfront,
but
right
now
you
can't
see
a
lot
of
it
because
there's
a
lot
of
invasive
species
and
the
banks
and
the
banks
not
really
as
stabilization
needs
to
be
done
to
add
more
seating
in
open
areas.
L
So
we're
looking
at
that
and
of
course,
phase
three
would
have
been
a
new
building,
but
now
we're
looking
at
phase
three
to
be
building
improvements.
Now
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
we're
used
to
seeing
is
we're
used
to
seeing
in
construction.
You
build
the
building
first
and
then
you
do
the
stuff
outside,
and
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
flipped
process.
L
We
are
doing
the
parking
lot.
First
then,
the
Waterfront,
then
the
building
and
that's
really
dictated
by
the
grants
that
we've
gotten
the
farmers
market
working
with
Michelle
Palmer
Templeton
Consultants,
has
done
a
really
fantastic
job
of
getting
some
Public
Funding.
To
help
make
these
things
happen
and
because
of
the
state
funding,
it
dictates
the
order
in
which
we
do
these.
L
So
let's
take
a
look
at
Phase
One
the
parking
lot,
since
it
was
last
seen
not
a
lot
of
changes.
What
we
did
do
is
here.
I'm
gonna
make
my
annotation
go
live
here,
so
I
can
point
things
out
and
draw
on
the
screen
for
you.
So
the
biggest
changes
that
you'll
see
is
that,
along
this
whole
row,
we've
maintained
the
parking
along
the
Pavilion.
L
So
the
original
plan,
with
the
an
Architects
building
that
is
over
here
on
the
left
hand
side
that
had
a
like
this
pink
area
as
a
plaza
pedestrian,
Plaza
right
in
front
of
the
building
with
parking
on
this
side.
What
we
heard
is
that
for
the
vendors,
it's
incredibly
difficult
to
have
to
leave
one's
space
and
run
across
the
Pavilion
run
across
a
parking
lot
to
go,
get
more
stock
or
to
go.
You
know,
anytime,
you
have
to
go
to
a
vehicle
for
any
reason,
and
then
unloading
and
loading
is
is
really
heavy
work.
L
So
for
for
the
market
use,
it
would
be
much
more
preferable
to
have
parking
at
the
market.
So
we
simply
flipped
these
two
pieces
where
the
Pavilion
The
Pavilion
parking
for
the
vendors
would
be
and
where
that
Plaza
is
so
now
those
are
Flips
of
the
plaza
is
right
now
up
against
the
wooded
berm
that
will
stay
in
place.
L
L
So
that
was
something
that
changed
before
the
the
stop
was
over
at
this
end,
and
it
just
wasn't
going
to
work
with
the
way
the
bus
had
to
angle
in
turn,
so
that
is
kind
of
the
biggest
set
of
changes
for
the
parking
lot.
But
the
rest
is
pretty
much
the
same.
The
flow
will
be
the
same.
It
will
be
permeable
asphalt.
L
The
there
will
be
a
bit
of
a
green
area
over
here
where
the
shed
will
go
and
where
there
might
be
some
other
infrastructure
see
and
the
dumpsters
are
going
to
be
relocated
over
to
this
corner
so
that
they
can
be
serviced
pretty
cleanly
and
easily
away
from
everybody
else.
L
L
Phase
two
for
the
Waterfront,
the
original
design
was
really
can
in
response
to
that
original
building
that
had
been
designed
by
an
Architects
and
since
that's
no
longer
happening.
We've
looked
at
the
design
of
the
Waterfront
a
little
bit
differently,
so
that
let
me
clear
that
out
oops
we
looked
at
the
waterfront
a
little
bit
differently,
since
we
don't
have
to
have
the
building
footprint
taking
up
quite
so
much
space.
So
there's
more
green
space,
more
sitting
area,
more
Plaza
area.
L
The
the
area
here
will
be
straightened
out
a
little
bit
so
instead
of
the
Waterfront
Trail
coming
in
and
making
a
hard
turn
and
then
another
hard
turn
up
here,
it's
a
little
bit
more
of
a
graceful
swoop
across
the
the
space
there'll
be
a
plaza
area
for
eating.
There
will
still
be
ability
for
vendors
to
pull
in
so
they
can.
You
know,
load
and
unload
and
manage
their
booths,
and
then
there
will
be
accessible
access
to
the
to
the
docks.
L
And
then
moving
on
to
phase
three,
you
can
see
here
the
footprint
of
the
building
that
was
last
seen
back
in
January
of
2022
and
over
here
you
on
the
right
hand,
side
you'll,
see
the
footprint
of
the
building
as
it
exists,
Plus
in
the
lighter
kind
of
apricot
color
the
potential
extensions
on
the
building.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
pass
this
on
to
Mike
bronowski
from
trade
design
build
and
Gideon
who's
there
with
you
to
talk
about
the
the
building
changes.
M
M
You
know
it
was
a
three
to
five
month,
vendor
engagement
process,
to
really
try
to
listen
to
what
the
vendors
priorities
were,
as
it
related
to
modifications,
improvements
or
even
doing
nothing
to
the
to
the
market,
and
this
this
sort
of
design
proposal
is
a
response
to
that.
I
wanted
to
lead
by
sort
of
putting
an
asterisk
out
there,
that
this
design
proposal
has
yet
to
be
improved
by
the
Farmers
Market
board.
M
But
we've
done
some
polling
of
the
vendors
about
the
design
and
and
responses
have
been
pretty
positive
at
this
point,
which
is
exciting,
especially
for
a
public
design
process.
That's
always
a
remarkable
thing
when
people
are
excited
about
the
design
in
the
end,
so
I
think
there's
space
to
be
hopeful
about
this
general
direction.
M
I
also
want
to
say
that
you
know
we
were
sort
of
tasked
with
doing
some
fairly
quick
concept
schematic
design,
so
we
put
together
some
nice
renderings
and
detailed
floor
plans
that
look
far
more
advanced
than
they
actually
are
in
design.
So
I
think
if
anything
was
going
to
go
forward,
there'd
be
a
an
adjustment
process
with
the
farmers
market
steering
committee
to
to
get
more
accurate
feedback
on
all
this,
so
with
those
sort
of
asterisks
I'll
sort
of
jump
into
the
proposal.
M
So
what
we
heard
overwhelmingly
from
the
vendors
was
save
the
market,
and
this
design
proposal
really
stems
from
that
sentiment.
We
are
intending
to
basically
preserve
the
entirety
of
the
existing
structure,
except
for
the
round
end
at
the
North
End
of
the
market.
There
we're
proposing
removing
the
North
End
and
extending
the
existing
structure
out
further
north
to
meet
the
Waterfront
Trail.
This
was
a
response
to
vendors
feeling,
like
the
the
round.
M
End
is
a
bit
of
a
dead
end
and
that
people
kind
of
stop
before
they
get
there
and
just
a
general
design,
a
goal
of
better
connecting
the
market
entrances
to
the
Waterfront
Trail
to
better
engage
walking
paths
so
to
strengthen
the
North
and
South
ends
of
the
market.
We've
added
two
small
additions
that
hold
bathroom
a
bathroom
group,
a
mechanical
room
and
on
the
North
End,
a
small
dish
room
where
they
can
wash
plates
and
silverware.
M
So
those
two
additions
are
noted
in
red
on
the
south
end
B,
it's
a
small,
bathroom
Edition
and
on
the
Northern
end
sea.
It's
a
slightly
larger
bathroom
group
and
dish
room.
We
then
heard
from
them
that
their
existing
office
structure
really
doesn't
work.
It's
it's
too
small.
M
So
we've
proposed
expanding
the
existing
office
in
its
current
location
at
the
the
teal
box,
labeled
a
to
extend
that
out
to
also
meet
the
Waterfront
Trail
so
that
you
know
we
now
have
our
three
main
interventions
in
the
overall
structure
are
providing
much
much
stronger
entry
points
and
engagement
with
the
Waterfront
Trail.
M
Proposed
in
this
project
are
several
maintenance
improvements,
we're
we're
proposing
that
the
market
replaced
the
roof
across
the
entire
facility.
It's
a
it's
a
huge
ad.
It's
a
30,
000
square
foot
roof.
So
it's
a
pretty
big
ticket
item,
but
the
roof
is
sort
of
beating
its
end
of
its
useful
life
and
at
the
scale
of
a
project
like
this,
it's
the
right
time
to
do
it.
M
That
would
also
include
new
gutters
and
downspouts
and
just
getting
control
of
drainage
around
the
market,
so
that
people
aren't
getting
washed
out
in
their
stalls
in
storms,
also
in
terms
of
critical
maintenance
and
Code
Compliance
we're
bringing
obviously
bathrooms
up
to
compliance
both
in
Cal
and
accessibility,
but
we're
also
proposing
a
dry
pipe
sprinkler
system
throughout
the
entire
Market
to
alleviate
a
lot
of
the
the
fire
safety
concerns
that
exist
with
the
current
proposal.
M
One
of
the
big
items
that
was
of
importance
to
the
vendors
was
improved
protection
from
inclement
weather.
So
nobody
wanted
to
go
so
far
as
to
enclose
the
entire
Market,
especially
the
lower
Bays
people
thought
they
could
live
with
those
open,
and
that
was
important
to
the
feel
of
the
facility,
but
they
felt
like
enclosing.
The
Claire
story
will
go
a
long
way
to
provide
some
shelter
from
rain
and
wind,
but
we're
proposing
a
matching
Hemlock
wood
frames
with
a
rural
polycarbonate
infill
panel
translucent.
M
That
would
you
know,
still
let
light
in
but
shield
from
inclement
weather.
M
M
Just
a
strategy
for
a
way
to
to
punctuate
the
enclosed
Claire
story
at
the
end
caps
of
the
market,
we
sort
of
treated
all
the
entrances
by
enclosing
the
upper
area
in
natural
Hemlock,
siding
to
match
the
existing
structure
and
provide
a
location
for
some
large
format,
signage
to
improve
way,
finding
and
better
Mark
entrances
into
the
Pavilion.
This
is
honestly
a
design
element.
That's
been
met
with
mixed
feeling.
Some
people
like
the
open
ends
better.
M
M
So
you
know
their
first
location
for
an
addition.
You
can
see
the
existing
photo
on
the
bottom
left,
we're
basically
proposing
to
extend
the
existing
form
of
the
entrance.
The
raised
entrance
Gable
out
to
meet
the
Waterfront
Trail
and
then
drop
that
roof
down
towards
the
north
end
of
the
building
to
create
a
larger
office.
Node.
M
You
know
the
the
sort
of
the
gray
area
below
holds
a
community
room.
You
can
go
down
to
the
next
slide
yamila.
Oh,
you
took
the
floor
plans
out
sorry
anyway.
The
floor
plan,
for
that
is
as
a
larger
office
sort
of
underneath
the
Pavilion,
and
then
the
glass
area
you
see
facing
the
Waterfront
Trail
is
a
you
know,
is
proposed
as
a
community
multi-purpose
room
that
they
could
use
for.
You
know
various
functions.
M
This
is
the
bathroom
Edition
on
the
southern
end
of
the
market.
Currently,
where
the
Peta,
the
pita
vendor,
it
sits,
we're
proposing
sort
of
moving
that
vendor
stall
to
the
other
end
in
the
new
extension
and
creating
a
bathroom
addition
that
takes
the
form
of
the
existing
Market,
creates
a
slightly
smaller
version
of
that
sort
of
iconic
shape
and
then
brings
the
the
low
roof
up
to
meet
it.
M
Creating
this
sloped
angled
entrance
into
the
Pavilion,
you
know,
I
think
the
form
it's
about
integrating
with
the
existing,
but
also
creating
a
welcoming
open
entrance
into
the
Pavilion
we've
sort
of
used
the
same
logic
at
the
Northern
end.
It's
a
slightly
longer
addition
because
it
holds
a
few
extra
bathroom
stalls
and
the
dish
room.
M
But
again,
you
know
the
low
roof
slopes
up
to
meet
this
medium
height
roof
of
these
additions
to
create
this
sloped
opening
entrance
into
the
market,
we're
proposing
natural
wood
siding
to
match
the
rest
of
the
structure,
probably
Hemlock,
you
know,
maybe
a
durable
base
material.
Like
a
you
know,
a
traditional
stucco.
M
You
know
like
a
warm
gray
just
to
make
it
feel
earthy
and
natural,
and
then
we
have
some
recessed
areas
for
Dish
collection
and
trash
collection
and
I.
Think
that's
it,
though.
The
one
thing
we
haven't
addressed
in
this
proposal,
because
it
was
hard
to
get
some
consensus,
was
a
strategy
for
dealing
with
outdoor
cooking.
We
had
talked
to
them
about
the
potential
of
food
trucks
and
food
trailers
about
maybe
trying
to
build
some
fixed
hoods,
but
you
know
it
was
hard
to
get
consensus,
so
we
kind
of
didn't
explore.
M
We
didn't
have
the
space
to
explore
that
in
the
context
of
this
project,
but
it's
an
issue
that
would
sort
of
be
on
the
table
if
they
decide
to
move
forward
with
this
general
direction
so
yeah.
This
was
our
strategy
for
just
trying
to
maintain
the
Integrity
of
the
market,
but
bring
up
the
bathrooms
to
code.
I
think
some
other
aspects.
We
were
planning
on
providing
new
power
throughout
the
facility
and
trying
to
get
each
stall.
Its
own
dedicated
circuit
I,
mentioned
the
sprinklers
they're,
obviously
obviously
be
improved.
M
Plumbing
infrastructure
throughout
we've
talked
to
them
about
standardizing
the
stall
floors
so
that
everybody
gets
a
consistent,
cleanable
surface
to
set
up
their
booth
on
and
I.
Think
that
really
is
a
good
summary
of
where
we're
at
yeah.
L
And
and
new
roof
and
gutters,
because
right
now,
there's
a
bit
of
a
water
inclusion
process,
so
the
new
roof
and
gutters
will
certainly
improve
and
extend
the
life
of
the
building
by
quite
a
bit.
Michael.
Thank
you
for
for
going
over
that
and
then,
of
course,
we're
here
for
the
farmer's
market
and
that
wouldn't
be
complete
without
hearing
from
the
farmers
market.
President.
H
Hello,
thank
you
so
much
to
emila
and
Mike
for
for
sharing.
And
can
everyone
hear
me
all
right
here?
Okay,
great
so
yeah
I
just
want
to
express
that
we
are
pretty
excited
at
the
Ithaca
Farmers
Market
and
this
is
I.
Don't
know
if
you
all
are
aware,
but
it's
our
50th
Anniversary
this
year.
H
H
So
there's
a
lot
of
wrangling
to
get
things
done,
but
the
the
process
has
been
moving
forward
pretty
consistently
for
the
last
few
years
and
we
had
our
vendor
meeting
just
the
other
night
and
there
was
pretty
solid
response
from
from
The
Market
vendors
who
who
responded
to
our
survey
in
the
affirmative
of
the
direction
that
we're
moving
now
I
think
that
the
farmers
market
felt
pretty
heard
most
of
the
membership
and
the
adjustment
of
the
original
plan
to
this
new
plan
that
does
like
Mike
and
emila
mentioned,
save
the
current
Pavilion
and
keep
a
lot
of
what
the
members
really
like
about
the
market.
H
So
that's
I,
I!
Don't
really
have
much
to
add
beyond
that.
Just
you
know,
thanks
generally
to
the
city,
for
your
partnership
and
and
working
with
us
all
these
years
on
on
this
space,
and
hopefully
you
know
we
can
see
the
market
grow
and
expand
in
this
next
50
years
that
we
exist
in
Ithaca.
So.
C
Oh
great,
thank
you.
This
was
very
comprehensive
and
it
was
helpful
to
see
the
changes
being
proposed.
I'm
going
to
turn
to
the
committee
now
and
see.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
or
comments.
B
E
Thank
you
I
appreciate,
looking
at
the
presentation,
I
I
do
really.
A
A
A
F
Will
be
lost
when
the
roof
is
redone
and
those
transparent,
translucent
Shields
go
in,
and
yet
so
you'll.
A
Lose
a
little
bit
of
light
through
that,
but
then
to
have
these
structures
at
every
opening
will
also
block
the
body.
So
is
there
a
way
to
sort
of
open
the
vision?
Aspects
of
that
is
my
one.
Those
aesthetic
comments.
My
functional
comments
have
more
to
do
with
access
in
the
sense
that
I
know
that
you've
indicated.
E
To
the
back
side,
I'm
worried
that
that
access
should
be
big
enough
to
be
able
to
accommodate
heavy
machinery,
whether
or
not
it's
an
emergency
or
fire
vehicle.
A
F
Equipment
access
needed
for
that
side,
so
presuming.
A
M
Think
Mike
Emily
can
speak
to
that,
but
you
know
we've
done
part
of
the
process
that
that
we
went
through
with
all
of
this
was
was
a
pretty
thorough
feasibility
study
aspect
of
this.
So
you
know,
we've
had
me
include
various
civil
entities
in
the
city
in
the
town
and.
F
O
Sorry
just
want
to
that.
We
have
mail
with
the
fire
department
to
discuss
the
access,
the
most
entire
site
and
their
their
access
to
the
Waterfront
would
not
be
needed
for
this
project
just
because
we're
providing
a
really
long,
far
away
up
against
the
front
side
of
the
Pavilion,
so
they
will
not
need
to
be
accessed
from
the
back
side
of
the
Pavilion
and
also
we're
proposing
changes
through
the
existing
layout
that
doesn't
affect
any
other
access
or
vehicles
in
there.
O
So
if
you
ever
need
to
get
a
heavy
equipment
or
something
back
there,
they
should
be
fine.
I
can
just
point
to
you
where,
where
things
are
so
this
is
the
existing
structure
for
the
store,
Eastman,
sorry
thesaurus
structure
and
at
this
line
right
there,
that's
the
existing
curve
for
the
cuyuka
waterground
trail.
So
basically,
what
you're,
having
at
this
point
is
that
the
the
trial
coming
over
here
and
then
enough
turns
that
way.
So
in
this
existing
tree,
so
I
don't
think
you
want
to
go
beyond
this
existing
tree.
O
If
you
will
that's
fine,
but
Our
intention
is
to
not
encroaching
more
than
what
we
want
to
for
this
area,
at
least
to
maintain
access
or
other
needed
access
from
the
city.
You
were
from
the
vendors.
O
So
at
that
point
we
will
Auto
turn
for
that
corner
to
make
sure
it
will
work
for
the
equivalents.
D
I
don't
have
questions.
I
do
have
a
comment
and
I'm
really
happy
to
see
some
changes
happening
here.
I'm.
Looking
at
your
view
of
who's
won
on
on
here,
I,
of
course,
I'm
gonna
ask
this
question
like
how
much
input
have
you
gotten
from
that
Community
specifically
before
color
for
me,
I'm
not
attracted
to
ithaca's
final
market,
so.
D
That
this
change
will-
and
maybe
it's
just
me
but
I
I-
live
walking,
distance
and
so
yeah
and
when
I've
ever
gone
I'm
glad
of
a
lot
of
the
different
work,
so
I
think
it
might
be
a
little
less
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
how
to
call
it,
but
anyway,
I
am
glad
to
see
this
happening
because
I
know
of
many
friends
and
people
who
are
very
happy
with
the
farmers
market
right.
C
A
C
With
you,
okay,
anyone
else,
I
guess,
I'll,
the
only
thing
I'll
add
is
I,
actually
really
love
the
idea
of
taking
the
existing
structure
and
giving
it
these
kinds
of
improvements.
So
I
think
that's
terrific.
C
It
is
an
iconic
facility
and
I
think
these
improvements
will
will
make
it
so
I
I
do
know
that
I
think
the
original
plans,
though
didn't
they
at
one
point,
try
to
include
in
closing
in
a
way
that
would
allow
a
year-round
market
and
I'm
gonna.
Guess
that's
not
part
of
the
proposal
going
forward,
but
I
guess
it's
always
fun
to
try
to
find
the
winter
markets
in
the
parents.
So
just
you
know,
gets
us
out
in
when
they're
exploring
new
parts
of
the
community,
it's
all
okay,
anything
else.
C
N
That
work
yeah
it's
kind
of
the
common
council's
decision,
how
much
they
want
to
get
involved
with
with
the
improvements
proposed.
So
it's
really.
Your
call
I
certainly
would
want
to
share
the
PDC
packet
with
the
full
coming
council
members
and
solicit
their
input
as
well.
N
That
would
be
one
way
to
go
forward
and
just
and
just
I
mean
there
seems
to
be
very
positive
viewpoints
here
so
far
and
give
everybody
a
chance
to
weigh
in
and
give
some
advice
to,
the
IRA
for
so
they're
ready
when,
when
the
proposal
comes
forward
for
consent,.
C
Okay
well
I'm,
certainly
in
favor
of
the
idea
of
just
sharing
the
ADC
packet
with
our
colleagues.
C
Maybe
then
the
mayor,
Chief
of
Staff
or
others
could
decide
whether
or
not
there
needs
to
be
any
more
discussion
among
the
larger
Council
or
if
that
feedback
can
just
come
in
some
other
way,
I
agree
that
there
seems
to
be
a
positive
reaction
to
what
we're
what's
being
proposed,
so
yeah
I
think
at
least
from
this
body.
You
have
an
endorsement.
D
C
B
A
H
C
Okay
and
another
item
for
discussion
we
received
after
last
month's
meeting,
we
gave
some
reactions
to
the
development,
the
The
Overlook,
that's
being
developed
into
the
Breeze,
the
breeze
development
and
they
the
group
has
come
back
with
some
response
to
our
comments
and
so
I
guess
we're
ready
to
have
a
discussion
about
that
and
I
can
give
those
Representatives
here
from.
B
J
Hello
good
evening,
everyone,
yes
I,
put
together
an
updated
presentation
and
we
shared
a
memo
trying
to
address
some
of
the
safety
concerns
that
were
raised
in
the
last
meeting.
J
B
J
Awesome
so,
as
you're
already
familiar
the
project,
we
are
focusing
on
this
left
side,
which
is
the
CDs
parcel
where
we're
proposing
the
Overlook
since
last
I
believe
last
meeting
I
don't
recover
if
you
already
had
all
the
approvals
at
this
point,
we
have
for
the
building
itself
and
the
final
set
plan
approval
for
this
specific
area.
J
It's
it's
pending,
based
on
this
conversation.
So
so
we
we
came
back
with
some
ideas.
The
first
one
that
we
are
proposing
is
I
know.
Some
of
the
concerns
were
raised
about
what
happens
in
terms
of
safety.
Under
the
bridge
itself,
we
are
proposing
to
use
some
of
the
the
rocks
that
we'll
have
on
the
site
to
fill
that
the
void
below
the
bridge
and
make
that
a
path
that
would
reduce
this.
The
height
of
this
void,
making
this
path
a
bit
safer.
J
This
is
one
of
the
ideas
after
that
last
time,
Cynthia
brought
up
the
the
fact
that
this
north
side
of
the
property
of
the
Overlook
wasn't
secured,
wasn't
fenced,
so
we're
proposing
enclosing
the
whole
perimeter.
So
if
you,
when
you
come
in
through
the
path
from
the
the
path
from
the
bridge
to
the
Overlook
itself,
it's
all
enclosed
and
with
the
same
type
of
fence
that
it's
on
the
surroundings
on
the
North
side.
J
Here,
as
you
can
see
on
this
image
on
the
top
left,
there
is
an
existing
chain
link
fence
and
we
would
connect
a
new
chain
link
fence
to
that
one.
Just
on
that
section,
in
case
someone
jumps
to
the
north
of
that
fence,
the
new
the
new
fence
in
blue.
There
will
be
an
additional
secured
fence
on
that
edge.
J
Basically,
here
on
Orange
on
the
on
the
right,
another
idea
we
brought
was
to
instead
of
having
the
Overlook
going
up
to
the
edge
of
that
area,
bringing
it
about
eight
feet
inside
kind
of
like
South,
and
that
would
create
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
the
surrounding
of
the
overall
fence,
with
some
evergreen
shrubs,
a
dense
layer
of
evergreen
shrubs.
That
would
also
make
it
more
difficult
for
people
to
walk
through
jump
and
go
through
that
kind
of
like
perimeter.
J
And
finally,
we
were
looking
at
some
case
studies
and
other
areas
of
the
city
that
have
similar
situations
with
edges,
facing
the
cliffs
or
or
the
gorges,
and
we
noticed
some
properties
that
have
this
type
of
fence
here
on
the
top
right,
where
it's
a
vertical
fence,
instead
of
what
we
were
proposing
before,
and
that
is
also
something
that
has
a
visual
impact.
That
kind
of
inhibits
people
from
climbing
it
over,
and
we
believe
that
the
combination
of
that
with
the
dense
ever
growing
shrubs
can
help
on
that
aspect.
J
J
And
from
a
more
technical
perspective,
I
think
this
is
more
polluted.
That's
why
I
wanted
to
break
out
all
the
different
elements
of
our
proposal,
but
this
kind
of
like
shows
what
the
new
Overlook
shape
would
look
like
with
the
evergreen
shrubs
around
the
connecting
chain
link
fence
here
in
purple,
additional
wayfinding
and
potentially
doing
the
Raceway
with
the
culvert
pipe
and
doing
instead
of
a
regular
bridge
more
like
a
path.
J
The
other
aspects,
like
the
benches,
the
informational
plague.
This
would
all
stay
the
same
and
I
I.
Don't
don't
know
if
we
need
to
repeat
this,
but
this
was
also
in
the
last
presentation.
If
you
want
to
see,
we
also
have
some
of
the
views
from
different
areas
of
the
Overlook
that
I'm
happy
to
jump
back
as
you
talk
about
it.
C
I
mean
I,
guess:
I
have
one
which
is
I'm,
am
I
understanding
the
intent
of
the
filling
in
I
think
you
called
it
of
the
Raceway
that
it
would.
It
would
be
done
with
stones
or
rocks
that
you
might
on
Earth
from
the
construction
project.
J
So
I
I
wish
I
had
Eric
from
the
from
swbr
Team
here
to
with
me,
to
kind
of
like
explain
it
a
bit
more
technically,
but
my
understanding
is
that
by
filling
the
void
it
wouldn't
be
a
regular
bridge
anymore.
It
would
be
a
path
with
the
covert.
So
if
there's
any
water
flow,
it
will
go
through
that.
C
Okay,
I
I
mean
I,
understand
the
intent
of
trying
to
minimize
that
distance
or
that
height,
but
I,
but
it
is
a
matter
of
that
Raceway.
Is
that
still
an
active,
or
can
it
still
be
an
active
water
wave
so
and
we're
going
to
put
a
culvert
in
to
try
to
manage
it.
J
Yeah,
so
I
have
some
notes
about
that
here
as
well.
Let
me
get
this
so
I
believe
that
the
path
will
not
cross
the
river
segment,
the
flowing
Waters
of
Fall
Creek.
That's
my
understanding.
J
I
can
get
more
more
technical
detail
on
on
how
that
actually
works.
And
again
that
was
one
of
the
the
suggestions
that
came
from
our
design
team.
So
we
can
try
to
mitigate
the
the
aspect
of
the
of
being
a
big
void.
It's
a
bit
about
10
feet
under
the
bridge,
so
that
was
one
of
the
ideas
that
we
proposed.
C
And
it's
just
related
to
that.
It
does
sound
like
you
have
also
changed
the
fencing
along
the
side
of
what
was
the
bridge
and
now
halfway,
which
would
also
be
a
way
to
deter
people
from
being
affected
by
that
space
is.
J
That
correct,
yes,
so
we're
proposing
connecting
a
new
fence
here
in
blue,
because
before
there
wasn't
anything
it
was
open.
So
people
could
Wonder
North,
so
we're
enclosing
this
whole
Space,
and
then
we
also
propose
changing
that
the
the
type
of
fence
to
something
more
vertical
instead
of
what
we
had
before
before
we
had
a
wood
fence
with
a
chain
link
to
not
have
any
openings
and
right
now
we're
proposing
this
idea
and
again
we're
not
tied
to
any
of
these
ideas.
J
We're
trying
to
address
the
the
safety
concerns
as
much
as
we
could,
but
this
this
fence
was
something
that
came
in
our
research
about
ways
to
mitigate
this
kind
of
concerns
as
a
visual
barrier.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
Laura
for
for
taking
a
serious
look
at
this
and
you
did
talk
about
you
know.
A
Doing
a
different
kind
of
bridge
and
filling
in
the
Raceway
at
planning
board
I
think
we
talked
about
it's
a
recreational
River,
it's
a
historic
landscape.
I,
don't
think
you
can
it's
a
natural
historic
resource
and
City
wouldn't
want
to
fill
it
in
okay,
I
mean
plus
it's
I
mean
I,
don't
even
think
it's
allowed.
B
A
I
E
The
Raceway
is
a
it's
a
historic
feature,
probably
in
terms
of
the
history
of
Ithaca.
Probably
the
most
historic
feature,
because
it
is,
as
it
was
tunnel
is
connected
to
the
Raceway,
which
then
facilitated.
A
Or
soil
from
the
Ithaca
Gun
Site
itself,
I
think
that
probably
needs
very
special
treatment
because
of
of
what's
there
so
I,
don't
think
that
could
be
used
as
a
resource.
So
I
appreciate
trying
to
address
the
concerns
that
came
up
and-
and
this
is,
is
one
of
the
ways
to
do
it
so
yeah
I,
guess.
A
A
A
A
B
A
Doesn't
seem
like
there's
any
they
are
there,
so
I'm
trying
to
wonder
why
we're
doing
this.
So
it's
you're
right.
You
can't
see
the
balls
unless
you're
going
to
cut
down
trees,
which
I
can't
mention
that
we
would
manage
that
property.
In
that
way.
So
I
mean
there
is
a
you
know:
you're
in
the
gorge
you're
on
the
top
of
the
gorge.
There
are
views
into
the
gorge
and
our
other
views
away.
So
yeah,
that's
yeah.
So
it's
not
you
know
originally.
A
It
might
have
been
seen
as
a
oh
well,
this
Falls,
so
it
wasn't
just
the
but
I
will
say
that
it
wasn't
just
the
15
year
old
agreement
about
an
agreement.
You
just
did
three:
we
just
brought
it
back
and
accept
it
again,
so
they
we
did
ask.
A
J
We've
been
designing
this
and
investing
in
this
project
in
in
just
thinking
about
this
space,
for
the
breeze
we
think
would
be
a
good
amenity
to
have,
but
I
I
still
feel
like.
There
is
a
lot
of
value
in
in
looking
at
these
views.
I
understand
there
are,
maybe
it's
not
necessarily
looking
staring
at
the
at
the
actual
waterfall
itself,
but
it's
still
very
gorgeous.
J
I
would
say
the
last
time
we
there
was
a
comment
about
maybe
investing
in
another
area
of
the
city.
Instead
of
this,
for
instance,
and
that
is
was
for
us,
it's
like
our
last
option.
We've
been
negotiating
for
a
lot
of,
like
maybe
maybe
nine
months
on
the
development
agreement.
We've
been
designing
this
space,
so
it's
been
a
lot
of
time,
money
and
expectations
on
the
on
the
overall
space.
But
of
course
we
want
to
make
some
something
that
will
be
relevant
for
the
overall
Community.
J
D
D
I,
don't
have
to
say
about
this.
Well,
I
live
that
far
from
there
and
a
lot
of
not
a
lot.
Some
community
members
have
been
asking
about
the
breeze
and
once
again
I'm
thinking
about
people
in
that
community,
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
meeting
for
it
about
this.
Is
market
value
am
I
right,
and
so
this
is
going
to
leave
out
a
lot
of
people
in
that
community
and
being
able
to
live
in
or
fortunately
anyway.
Maybe
that's
another
meeting
now
Teresa.
D
Have
you
no
I'll
talk
to
you
about
it,
another
time
but
anyway,
that
that
that's
what's
going
through
my
head,
but
it's
a
really
beautiful
place
and
I'm
I'm
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
coming
back
and
have
listened
to
us
at
the
last
meeting,
and
it's
apparent
you
really
miss
it
with
with
a
lot
of
what
you
went
back
and
done.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
F
You
Phoebe
and
I
think
that
you
know
part
of
the.
A
Part
of
the
city
originally
asking
for
this
is
the
understanding
that
this
this
property
is
incredibly
expensive
to
develop.
This
contaminated
has
to
be
cleaned
up.
It's
in
errands,
so
this
Crea,
so
this,
and
because
it's
right
next
to
the
gorge
I
think
part
of
the
original
idea
of
creating
this
amenity
was
that
it
it
lets
the
public
still
use
this
problem.
You
know
I
mean
it
is
our
property,
so,
but
there's
really
no
access
to
it.
J
Yeah
and
if
I
can
add,
there
will
be
no
cost
for
the
city,
we're
building.
B
J
Are
maintaining
designing
and,
as
Lisa
said,
this
is
this:
this
is
a
series
that
there
is
no
connection
there.
So
if,
if
we
can
bring
value
to
a
series
parcel,
maybe
there's
there's
a
good
potential
for
the
cd2
also,
and
the
communities
also
benefit
in
that,
but
I
understand
everyone's
concerns.
D
What's
amazing
is
our
very
first
apartment
was
very
Innovative
right.
It's
it's
a
beautiful
place
to
be
still
can't
afford.
A
A
A
This
is
an
interesting
exercise
to
me,
but
it
is
heartbreaking
that,
instead
of
taking
the
most
beautiful
part
of
the
city
and
highlighting
it
we've
shut
it
off
behind
the
fence
and
and
the
metal
gave
and
close
it
off,
so
nobody
can
enjoy
it
and
I
just
hope.
At
some
point.
We
can
have
as
detailed
a
conversation
and
create
of
the
conversation
and
bring
you
back
as
we're.
Still
that
to
me
is
much
more
precious.
C
Thank
you,
so
I
I
wanted
to
try
to
wrap
up
some
takeaways
from
at
least
this.
This
section
of
the
discussion
I
think
what
we're
kind
of
and
I
we
I
do
appreciate
the
work
you've
done
to
try
to
react
to
our
concerns
about
safety.
I
think
we
I
think
we've
agreed
on
the
fact
that
the
filling
of
the
Raceway
probably
isn't
a
viable
idea.
C
If
we,
you
know
no
matter
what
happens
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge
or
how
we
tweak
this,
that's
an
important
element
and
ensuring
that
there's
good
fencing
around
that
is
important.
I
think
the
other
takeaway
I
thought
I
heard
was,
while
the
functional
idea
of
the
shrubs
seems
like
a
good
idea.
I'm,
not
sure
it
fits
the
Environmental
landscape
there,
as
as
as
well
so
so
that's
something
I
think
is
a
concern
that
we
would
need
to
work
through.
C
You
know
the
ultimately
the
shape
and
and
and
amenities
around
the
space.
That's
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge.
That's
probably
the
detail
that
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
I
I
am
concerned
about.
You
know
the
way
it's
everything's
enclosed
for
access
from
the
bridge,
but
I
keep
noting
or
hearing
that
you
can
get
out
there
from
other
places.
C
So
then,
if
you
do
happen
to
get
out
there,
you
can't
get
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence
to
get
over
the
bridge
is
that
is
that
right,
that's
right,
yeah!
So
so
that's
a
concern
as
well
and
then
to
Cynthia's
Point,
I,
I,
someday
I,
hope
that
we
could
do
this
I,
don't
see
it
anywhere
in
the
near
future,
so
having
something
for
now
and
that
might
preserve
the
opportunity
to
think
bigger
in
the
future
would
be
great
if
this
bridge
doesn't
get
built.
C
J
O
A
This
is
city
property,
so,
and
we
you
know,
did
talk
about
it
depending
about
the
city
property
and
really
felt
that
you
should
have
some
input
into
it.
We
can
design
it
with
here.
I
mean
I,
we
can
yeah,
it
has
to
be
aesthetic,
it
has
to
be
compatible.
A
F
And
the
response
was,
you
know
a
couple
things
that
we
could
Implement
and
a
couple
things.
A
Edge
or
something,
and
just
you
know
just
to
open
up
that
area
too
I'm,
not
sure
maybe
Lauren
I
can
have
another
look
at
it
and
visit
with
bite
and
just
see
what
makes
sense.
Because
if
you
block
this
off,
then
people
coming
up
well,
yeah
people
coming
up
from
the
bottom
that
blocks
up
the
opportunity
for
this
to
be
a
trail
when.
C
B
F
A
Know
some
that
all
right
so
we're
not
filling
in
the
Raceway
but
the
different
kind
of.
E
A
Maybe
you
know
blocking
off
that
other
area.
Is
that
start
to
address
your
safety
concerns.
C
Yeah
I'm
I
guess
the
fencing
changes
do
help
other
than
the
ability
to
put
shrubs
in
which
are
now
questionable.
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
moving
the
fence
I
think
you
said
it
was
around
eight
feet
back
from
the
hit
when
it
was,
is
needed
or
necessary,
but
I
don't
know
what
benefit
it
gives
us
either
and
we'll
get
back
to
the
edge.
A
Mean
can
you
see
the
falls
from
that
higher
point.
J
I'm
not
sure
I
can
double
check
that
with
the
drone
images
but
I
know
we
discuss
about
like.
Is
this
the
best
blade
to
put
the
Overlook?
Can
we
put
it
up.
G
J
And
I
remember
that
the
topography
makes
it
a
bit
more
challenging
for
Ada
accessibility.
At
that
point
there
were
some
changes
in
that
some
things
that
would
impact
the
location
and
make
this
area
where
we
placed
Ideo
I,
can
double
check
and
see
if
there
will
be
better
views
in
another
place,
but
I
remember
we
asked
about
that
because
it
would
even
be
a
smaller
bridge
and
financially
more
visible,
but
the
recommendation
was
to
not
place
it
up.
There.
F
E
J
Definitely
I
can
coordinate
that
with
Lisa,
maybe
get
some
dates
and
times
that
would
be
better
for
everyone,
and
one
thing:
I
I
always
think
about
maybe
as
an
architect,
I
always
thought
about
that
when
I'm
I
was
designing
projects
in
the
past
about
the
senses,
not
just
thinking
about
what
we
can
see,
but
what
we
can
feel
here
smell,
so
I
I
do
feel
like
the
Overlook
is
not
just
about
what
you're
looking
at,
even
though
the
name
is
overlooked
when
I
was
thinking
about
the
name
of
the
project
and
I
and
I
thought
about
the
breeze.
J
I
was
really
thinking
about
the
breeze
that
you
feel
when
you're
getting
close
to
waterfall
and
that
feeling
that
you
have
when
you're
right
there.
So
I
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
that's
why
I
also
feel
like
the
Overlook
itself.
It's
valuable
we're
looking
at
the
nature,
which
is
one
of
the
most
beautiful
things
in
Ithaca,
so
just
something
to
think
about,
and
maybe
try
to
experience
when
you're
doing
the
tour
on
the
site.
C
G
A
A
very
it's
an
unusual
problem
for
you
when
you
don't
usually
deal
with
these
things,
but
you
didn't
just
sign
this
agreement.
That
said,
they've.
A
So
we
will
do
our
best
to
come
up
with
some
additional
information
to
make
it.
Of
course,.
C
C
Okay,
we
have
the
February
meds,
can
I
get
a
motion
for
the
minutes
motion
from
Cynthia
a
second,
maybe
Tiffany,
anything
that
needs
to
be
addressed
in
the
minutes?