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B
A
B
So
let's
get
started
with:
do
we
have
anything
we
need
to
change
on
the
agenda.
A
A
B
Going
to
table
the
main
minutes
so
that
he.
A
Can
look
at
those
again
and
make
sure
they're
complete,
but
we
will
have
equal
minutes
other
than
that
one
other
thing
too:
University
of
two
public
hearings.
There
are
two
different
amendments
to.
B
Zoning
related
to
B
zones
in
the
agenda.
It
makes
it
appear
like
there's
only
one
Visa
Amendment,
but
it's
referring
to
the
plural
number.
Two
was
a
little
two
different
item.
B
Okay,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
public
comment.
A
C
A
Green
zone
will
ruin
the
home
together
concept
that
the
sanctioned
encampment
should
be
a
welcoming
place.
Things
will
go
better
if
you
let
campers
stay
in
the
restaurant
till
they
hear
enthusiastic
reports
about
the
green
zone
and
go
there
out
of
curiosity
or
to
be
with
friends.
The
simple
legislative
way
to
do.
This
is
just
to
make
the
Red
Zone
into
an
Amber
zone.
B
A
I
want
to
thank
Teresa
alt
for
speaking
tonight,
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
resending
CPAP
and
Jay
Franklin,
who
is
the
Tompkins
County
director
of
the
Iran
assessment,
has
made
a
presentation
to
Council
in
the
past
and
the
forming
Council
that
income
focused
housing
already
is
eligible
for
tax
evadement
apart
from
ctar,
so
TCP
talk
doesn't
provide
specific
tax
abatements
for
income
Focus
housing.
A
Those
are
already
available,
so
ctap
doesn't
protect
that
there's
another
way
to
send
them
so
and
I
very
much
support
that
just
a
point
of
clarification
that
there
are
no
individuals
residing
in
the
red
zone.
So
it's
not
a
matter
of
relocating
people
because
the
red
zone
is
currently
empty,
so
it
just
don't
want
to
give
the
interpretation
that
this
policy
is
is
moving
people
who
are
already
established
there,
because
that's
not
the
case.
A
I've
learned
so
much
from
you
in
these
last
months
or
years
that
I've
been
on
Council
and
thank
you
again
for
your
voice.
I
can
always
count
on
learning
something
from
you
and
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
thank
you.
C
A
Else:
okay,
so
we're
going
to
move
along
to
our
public
hearings.
We
have
two.
The
first
one
is
in
and
related
to
a
proposed
amendment
to
Wall
Street,
Parking
requirements
and
select
B
zones
and
I
need
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing.
So
Cynthia
moves
second
Tiffany,
all
those
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing.
That
is
unanimous.
Thank
you.
B
B
Hey
I
wrote
this
in
the
format
of
a
letter,
but
I'm
going
to
read
it,
so
it
still
makes
sense,
though
my
name
is
Avi
Smith,
also
known
as
the
owner
of
the
Argos
Inn
I'm.
Writing
this
to
encourage
you
to
support
the
proposed
amendment
to
off-street
parking
requirements
for
the
B1,
B4
and
B5
zones.
B
Some
of
the
businesses
in
these
zones
may
prefer
to
have
the
convenience
of
on-site
parking,
but
for
many
of
them
it
would
be
far
more
appealing
to
have
customers
use
the
available
public
parking
or
not
to
drive
at
all.
Therefore,
I
believe
that
providing
unsafe
parking
in
these
zones
should
be
optional
rather
than
mandatory,
they're,
primarily
small,
locally
owned
businesses
in
these
B
zones
that
have
limited
space
and
oftentimes
limited
budgets.
B
These
businesses
should
be
encouraged
by
the
city
to
thrive
and
a
big
step
in
that
direction
could
be
to
not
force
and
the
sacrifice
a
majority
of
their
space
and
very
healthy
cost
for
a
feature
that
is
outdated
and
unnecessary.
Using
Google
Earth's
area
calculations.
It
looks
like
at
least
60
percent
of
the
area
in
the
B4
district
is
asphalt
that
feature
that
will
be
more
fitting
in
Suburbia
than
the
center
of
our
beautiful
city.
B
Therefore,
reducing
traffic
congestion
and
greenhouse
gases,
allowing
for
businesses
to
use
a
limited
space
more
efficiently,
creating
vibrant
commercial
areas
with
more
restaurants
and
shops,
rather
than
large
expanses
of
uninviting
asphalt,
creating
other
uses
for
parking
lots
will
increase
the
tax
base
and
make
new
construction
more
affordable
during
the
pandemic.
The
article
was
given
permission
for
two
years
to
use
the
back
of
our
parking
lot
as
outdoor
bar
seating
space.
During
this
time
we
did
not
allow
bar
guests
to
use
the
parking
lot
because
there
was
enough
space
for
them.
B
This
did
not
hurt
our
business
instead
of
encourage
people
to
come
to
Argos
without
their
car.
Did
this
cause
that
parking
in
the
neighboring
residential
streets
to
fill
up?
No
I
went
out
roughly
10
times
a
few
bar
hours
to
document
videos
walking
up
Skyward
place
in
Seneca
Street,
not
a
consistent
basis.
Roughly
half
the
residential
street
parking
spots
were
still
unused.
B
B
There
have
been
many
studies
done
and
even
books
written
showing
how
parking
minimums
are
20th
century
relics
that
deserve
to
be
retired,
My,
Hope
Is
that
you
can
help
if
you
could
continue
and
explore
thinking
Direction
by
helping
this
amendment
to
be
passed.
Thank
you
for
considering
everything.
Thank
you.
A
Public
hearing
that
looks
unanimous
thank
you
that
will
enter
our
second
public
hearing,
so
our
proposed
amendments
to
all
street
parking
requirements
in
a
specific
in
the
B2B
Zone,
so
I'll
need
a
motion
to
open
that
public
hearing
Tiffany.
Thank
you
and
a
second
ducks,
and
thank
you
all.
Those
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing
that
looks
unanimous
I
do
not
see
anyone
here
to
speak
on
that
public
hearing
or
in
the
virtual
meeting.
A
A
So
we're
going
to
move
on
in
the
agenda
to
a
presentation
from
Rebecca
Evans,
our
acting
director
of
sustainability,
and
we
have
information
here
in
the
packet
on
the
CTA.
It's
going
to
give
us
an
overview
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
schedule.
Hi
Rebecca.
D
So
we've
been
on
a
little
bit
of
a
journey
here
with
CTA.
It's
been
a
long
time
in
the
making,
but
just
as
a
as
a
little
reminder
of
what
CCA
tries
to
do,
it
does
stand
for
Community
Choice
aggregation.
So
what
it
does
is
provide
the
ability
for
municipalities
to
purchase
energy
on
behalf
of
residents
living
in
that
Community
for
a
lower
cost.
D
Typically,
so
we
are
interested
in
purchasing
electricity
and
natural
gas,
and
in
our
case,
especially
for
electricity,
we
are
going
for
100
renewable
sources
that
does
still
allow
us
to
rely
on
the
delivery
systems
that
are
in
place
by
the
utility
and
maintained
by
the
utility.
So
we
don't
have
to
purchase
Delivery
Systems
and
ultimately,
the
customer
gets
a
cleaner
form
of
energy
at
a
reduced
cost
than
they
otherwise
would
be
able
to
to
achieve
if
they
were
to
be
purchasing
on
their
own.
D
And
another
reminder:
we
started
this
process
officially
with
a
contract
with
local
power
LLC,
who
is
our
tentative
CCA
administrator,
at
least
for
these
next
couple
of
months,
and
that
started
just
just
about
a
year
ago
in
June
2022,
and
we
adopted
a
CCA
enabling
local
law
in
the
following.
October
we've
had
a
couple
of
hiccups
along
the
way,
just
because
the
Department
of
Public
Service
has
changed
regulations
that
dictate
how
new
ccas
are
formed
and
how
existing
cca's
function
and
the
reporting
that's
required
to
start
a
new
CCA.
D
So
we
had
a
couple
of
delays
there.
We
were
expecting
to
see
this
as
early
as
March
of
2023,
but
because
of
those
delays,
DPS
was
allowed
60
days
to
come
up
with
all
of
the
new
templates
that
are
required
to
establish
a
new
CCA.
So
here
we
are
in
June
on
June,
7th
I
did
receive
a
draft
of
the
implementation
plan
from
local
power.
D
Llc
and
I
just
wanted
to
provide
you
all
a
little
update
about
what
to
expect
moving
forward,
because
we
are
even
though
we're
still
a
year
out
we're
in
the
home
stretch
of
CCA,
and
things
are
going
to
start
moving
really
really
quickly
really
fast.
So
in
July,
pedc
can
expect
that
that
implementation
plan
and
an
accompanying
memo
will
come
for
circulation.
D
In
the
meantime,
in
August,
assuming
that
we
do
get
approval
to
move
forward
with
the
program,
we
will
release
an
RFP
to
find
a
permanent
administrator
or
typically,
what's
done.
Is
administrators
serve
two-year
terms?
And
if
we
wish
to
renew
that
contract,
then
we
have
that
ability,
but
we
also
have
the
ability
that
if
you
want
to
select
a
different
administrator
or
if
the
city
wants
to
bring
Administration
in-house,
we
have
that
option
as
well.
D
So
it'll
then
go
to
Common
Council
for
a
vote
in
September
and
following
that
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
we
will
relief
and
release
an
RFP
for
an
energy
supply
company
so
finding
where
we're
going
to
ultimately
Source
the
gas
and
electricity
that
we
purchase
on
behalf
of
residents,
and
my
intention
is
that
the
electricity
Supply
would
be
100
Renewables,
provided
that
we're
able
to
identify
an
Esco
that
can
can
meet
those
requirements
and
given
the
the
volatility
of
the
electricity
market
right
now
and
that
New
York
State's
transition
to
100
Renewables.
D
That
may
be
more
difficult
than
we
than
we're
seeing
right
now,
but
we'll
cross
that
bridge
when
we
come
to
it
and
DPS
requires
a
minimum
of
60
days
of
public
engagement
through
the
new
CCA
order.
So
we
will
start
doing
public
Outreach
in
July
just
to
educate
residents
about
what
is
CCA.
What
does
this
mean?
What
are
the
changes
that
you
might
expect
and
ultimately,
we'll
start
ramping
up
that
communication
to
be
more
specific
to
the
city
and
the
town
specific
CCA
program?
D
If
all
goes
to
plan
we'll
bring
the
an
Esco
contract
and
energy
Supply
Company
contract
for
approval
to
Council
in
January,
and
then
we'll
begin
sending
out
our
opt-out
notifications
in
May.
So
if
you
recall
there
are
two
forms
of
CCA
and
opt-in
and
an
opt-out.
Opt-In
means
that
the
a
burden
is
placed
on
the
resident
to
participate
in
this
program,
whereas
an
opt
out,
everybody
is
automatically
enrolled.
D
So,
in
addition
to
purchasing
electricity
and
natural
gas,
there's
a
special
element
as
part
of
the
CCA
model
and
it's
pertaining
to
distributed
energy
resources
or
the
acronym
ders
and
they're,
basically
low
hyper
local,
renewable
energy
projects
or
decarbonization
resources
that
are
ultimately
going
to
help
us
reach
our
carbon
neutrality
goal
and
rely
Less
on
the
utility.
So
right
now
the
way
that
it
stands.
We
rely
fully
on
the
utility
to
make
the
necessary
upgrades
to
support
the
increased
electricity
load
as
a
result
of
electrification.
D
D
So
you
will
receive
a
monthly
payment
or
a
resident
will
receive
a
monthly
payment
as
a
result
of
building
that
project,
and
then
we
have
the
simplified
version,
which
is
the
off
with
so
users
are
off
takers,
which
is
essentially
just
a
purchaser,
so
just
like,
if
you
were
to
enroll
in
a
community
solar
program.
This
would
be
very
very
similar
to
that
where
you
don't
receive
any
payments,
but
you
do
know
exactly
where
your
electricity
is
coming
from
and
you
can
have
a
time
stamp
of
you
actually
receiving
that
electricity.
D
So
in
the
in
the
implementation
plan
that
you'll
see
in
July,
there
are
a
few
different
elements
that
you
can
expect.
One
is
that
der
plan,
which
is
the
majority
of
what
you
will
see
because
of
the
DPS
regulation,
changes
the
structure
of
how
these
things
look
is
a
little
bit
different.
So
we
have
a
master
in
place.
Master
implementation
plan
that
our
tentative
administrator
has
already
filed
with
DPS,
and
the
Der
plan
is
a
totally
voluntary
program
that
we're
developing
specifically
for
the
city
and
the
town.
D
You'll
also
see
a
really
detailed
Community
engagement
plan,
so
technically
DPS
only
requires
two
targeted
Outreach
events
that
are
open
to
the
public
in
the
respective
municipalities,
but
I
believe
that
we
have
close
to
20
scheduled
to
ensure
that
we
are
reaching
as
many
people
as
possible
that
we
are
entertaining
all
of
the
questions
that
people
have
and
that
we're
meeting
people
where
we
are
and
not
necessarily
expecting
them
to
be
able
to
stay
tuned
into
a
common
council
meeting.
D
You
know
one
day
of
the
month
or
something
like
that:
you'll
also
see
party
responsibilities,
so
there
will
be
responsibilities
really
clearly
detailed,
one
for
the
municipality
and
two
for
the
CCA
administrator.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
live
in
both
of
those
camps.
D
There
are
a
number
of
legal
agreements
that
the
city
is
going
to
need
to
at
the
very
least
sign
off
on,
but
the
majority
of
the
of
the
work
as
it
stands
will
lie
with
the
CCA
administrator,
but
to
ensure
you
know
an
appropriate
level
of
transparency
and
that
we
are
doing
right
by
our
residents.
We
do
want
to
have
a
decent
level
of
oversight
over
the
entire
program
and
that
will
require
some
engagement
with
the
administrator
and
with
a
larger
Advisory
Group.
D
It's
still
not
entirely
clear
who
will
be
part
of
that
Advisory
Group
I
expect
that
we
will
get
some
more
clarity
on
that
and
iron
out.
Those
details
in
the
coming
months
and
certainly
I
will
come
with
a
proposal
to
the
August
pedc
meeting,
with
any
recommendation
for
participation
in
The,
Advisory,
Group
and,
like
I
said,
this
was
just
sort
of
a
really
brief
update
of
what
to
expect
coming
in
the
next
12
months
or
so
11
to
12
months.
D
So
you
will
get
more
and
more
information,
certainly
over
the
next
four
months,
as
things
start
to
move
really
quickly,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
in
the
meantime.
A
A
Thanks
Rebecca
I
appreciate
the
and
the
description
of
where
we
are
and
where
we're
going.
The
one
element
to
this
as
the
city
wishes
to
Electrify,
which
I
completely
appreciate,
as
well
as
the
distributed
Energy
Systems,
which
I
believe
is
the
DBS
program.
A
Basically,
how
good
is
our
delivery
Network
to
be
able
to
not
only
meet
the
load
of
an
increasing
electrification
program
in
the
city,
but
also
read
the
load
that
might
be
provided
by
these
distributed?
Energy
Systems?
A
So,
in
terms
of
safety
in
terms
of
resiliency,
we
need
to
have
a
distribution
Network
that
can
meet
the
circumstances
that
we're
setting
out
for
it.
What
commitment
do
we
have
by
NYSEG
to
maintain
those
systems
and
meet
the
demands
that
we
will
be
placing
on
our
distribution,
Network.
D
So
that's
a
good
question,
so
I
am
in
close
contact
with
oven
grid,
the
parent
company
of
NYSEG
and
ultimately,
nyseg's
activities
are
governed
by
the
Department
of
Public
Service
at
the
state
level,
and
their
sole
mission
is
to
ensure
that
utilities
are
reliable.
So
you
know
how
that
ultimately
gets
carried
out,
I
can't
necessarily
say,
but
we
do
have
investment
already
coming
from
NYSEG
to
help
support
our
distribution
Network.
D
Last
fiscal
year
they
invested
156
million
dollars
just
here
in
Ithaca
to
upgrade
our
substations
and
our
transmission
Network,
the
other
P,
the
other,
more
technical
piece
of
the
Der
program
is
that
I'd
really
like
to
focus
on
battery
storage
and
bi-directional
electricity.
That's
actually
servicing
either
vehicles
or
buildings,
so
it
could
either
be
stored
in
a
battery
or
it
could
service
directly
to
a
building
and
actually
end
up
creating
little
micro
grids,
little
mini
networks.
D
You
know,
there's
always
the
potential
for
Community
owned
utilities.
I
I
would
not
recommend
that
direction
just
yet
it's
also
prohibitively
expensive,
but
for
right
now
I.
D
There
is
certainly
enough
capacity
to
support
where
we
are
now,
and
certainly
where
I
think
we'll
be
in
the
next
two
to
three
years
and
I
expect
and
I
said:
we'll
continue
to
make
that
monetary
and
infrastructure
investment
from
here
forward.
A
Can
I
ask
a
follow-on
question?
Yes,
thank
you
for
looking
into
that
with
regards
to
the
grid,
I
would
just
say
in
the
state
of
Hawaii,
for
example,
when
there
was
a
lot
of
incentives
for
people
to
install
solar
panels
on
their
roofs,
Hawaiians
really
took
advantage
of
it
because
the
network
was
not
upgraded.
The
the
failures
in
the
system
were
across
the
board.
A
I
think
anyone
from
Hawaii
electric
will
tell
you
that
it
was
a
devastating
lesson
learned
about
increasing
electrification
too
rapidly,
without
the
system
being
able
to
handle
all
of
the
energy
that
is
flowing
through.
So
that's
a
good
model
to
examine.
My
second
question
is
the
when
we
originally
conceptualized
and
agreed
to
Community
Choice
aggregation.
The
concept
was:
is
that,
because
of
our
bulk
purchasing
agreement,
we
would
be
able
to
provide
discounts
over
market
rate.
A
What
impassive
any
will
this
have
on?
What
we
estimate
we
would
are
both
purchasing
capacity
would
be.
Do
we
anticipate
that
those
prices
will
also
go
up
accordingly?
Maybe
it
would
still
be
cheaper
than
than
other
sources,
but
yet
still
62
percent
more
expensive
than
what
would
have
been
available
previously.
So
how
do
we
anticipate
nice?
X
price
changes
impacting
the
agreement
that
we
are
entering
into.
D
It'll
it'll
impact
the
CCA
program
directly,
but
that
would
not
change
if
we
didn't
have
a
CCA
program.
So
the
rate
changes
are
impacting
delivery
rates
and
with
a
CCA
we
will
still
maintain
utility
delivery.
So
it
we
will
still
see
those
price
increases.
They
will
come
directly
from
NYSEG,
so
individuals
will
save
two
electricity
bills,
for
example
one
from
the
CCA
administrator
and
one
for
NYSEG.
Four
delivery
just
like
if
you
were
to
purchase
electricity
from
a
solar
farm,
for
example.
D
The
fact
that
we
are
purchasing
in
an
aggregate
means
that
our
base
Supply
rate
is
more
competitive
than
it
would
be.
If
say,
I
were
to
be
purchasing
on
my
own
behalf
and
not
in
collaboration
with
my
neighbors,
for
example.
But
yes,
we
will
still
see
those
nicer
grade
increases.
C
A
Okay,
another
question
from
the
committee
foreign.
A
Vendor
to
get
this
more,
that
is
cheaper
power,
or
is
it
just
that
the
power
that
you're
getting
from
the
United
States
is
cheaper
as
a
result,
and
maybe
this
is
not
maybe
an
honors
change
correctly,
and
this
is
not
how
like
this
is
a
separate
issue
for
more
purchases
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
on
a
practical
level
for
somebody
who
might
be
purchasing
power
when
we
roll
this
out.
What
does
this
look
like
in
terms
of
like
practice,
practically
seeking
it
out.
D
Sure
so
I
mentioned
that
it.
This
is
an
opt
out
program,
so
the
majority
of
customers
are
not
going
to
have
to
actually
actively
do
anything
to
enroll
in
this
program,
however,
they
are,
they
still
have
the
option
to
not
enroll
if
they
so
choose.
If
I
could
predict
electricity
prices,
you
know
six
months
out,
I'd
be
in
a
very
different
role,
I
think
so,
unfortunately,
I
can't
speak
to
exactly
how
competitive
those
rates
will
be.
D
There
are
some
customers
that
are
going
to
need
more
Outreach.
Those
that
are
receiving
assistance
from
the
state
for
their
utility
bills
are
not
eligible
for
opt
out,
ccas
so
and
the
last
time
that
I
looked
and
I
have
I
have
not
seen
this
in
the
updates
from
DPS.
So
I
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
research
and
I'll
come
better
prepared
with
that
information
next
month
or
in
August.
D
What
I
don't
know
is
if
State
subsidized
utility
customer
is
receiving
those
subsidies.
If
they
were
to
enroll
in
CCA,
can
they
still
maintain
those
monthly
payments?
And
that's
where
I
need
to
get
a
really
really
clear
answer
from
the
state
and
thus
far
I
have
not
gotten
that,
but
I
intend
to
get
a
very
clearance
on
that
before
I
come
back
to
you
in
August,.
C
A
I
just
need
to
say
sitting
here,
I'm
like
in
a
fall
pretty
much
so
I'm
thinking
the
way
that
I'm
hearing
it
coming
from
you
I
think
you
Cynthia.
It
came
a
little
clearer.
A
How
is
this
language
going
to
have
a
community
to
understand
I'm,
not
saying
that
they
all
are
going
to
be
able
to
not
understand
as
well
as
I
do
as
well
as
I'm
able
to,
but
is
this
language
comfortable
for
Community?
You
keep
mentioning
Community,
you
know
on
being
informed
and
stuff.
Will
this
language
be
in
a
way
that
they
can
understand
and
I?
Think
Cynthia
made
a
little
more
clever
for
me
than
what
I've
been
hearing
so
I
think.
D
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
valid
question
and
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
partnering
with
Cornell
Cooperative
Extension
in
those
Communications
is
because
that's
exactly
what
they
do.
They
are
experts
in
education
and
in
community
outreach.
So
my
hope
is
that
we
can
lean
on
them.
You
know
I
tend
to
be
knee-deep
in
the
weeds
with
all
of
this
stuff.
So
I
pretend
to
talk
over
my
head
sometimes,
but
I
do
anticipate
we'll
have
some
very
informative
and
thorough
Communications,
but
that
are
really
easy
to
understand.
A
And
my
last
question
is:
isn't
Jordan
Clemens.
A
Is
this
something
that
Jordan
Clements
is
also
and
knowledgeable
about,
because
I
thought
him
itself
saw
was
working
somewhere
in
here?
Well,
maybe
it
was
Southside,
but
anyway
those
are
other
communities
that
can
be
helping
yeah.
D
Yeah
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
to
probably
hold
information
sessions
of
some
kind
in
in
as
many
communities
as
we
possibly
can,
and
in
community
centers,
where
people
are
are
comfortable
and
where
we
can
meet
them
exactly
where
they
are
yeah.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Baby,
that's
a
very
important
topic
and
Rebecca.
It
brings
a
question
on
the
timeline
you
shared
with
us.
The
public
Outreach
that
you
said
might
start
this
summer
and
go
into
the
fall.
Is.
D
A
D
If
we're
finding
that
you
know
what
we're
saying
isn't
Landing
with
people,
then
we're
going
to
need
to
retool
our
approach
and
we
have
three
months
of
dedicated
public
Outreach,
but
will
also
have
call
centers
for
customers
to
ultimately
ask
questions
directly
if
they,
if
they
have
them
and
will
be
I
hate
to
use
the
word
training
but
we'll
be
educating
CCE
about
our
program
in
particular,
so
that
they
can
be
doing
their
own
Outreach
as
well
and
have
materials
available
at
their
own
events.
D
So
you
know,
if
folks
are
have
that
feedback
I
have
found
that
they
are
not
shy
with
sharing
with
us
that
they
are
not
happy
with
the
direction
that
either
the
green,
New,
Deal
or
sustainability
is
going.
So
I
have
no
doubt
that
we
will
receive
digest
that
feedback
and
then
retool
our
approach.
A
Questions
I
do
suggest
that
when
you
talk
about
sweet
PE,
that
you
also
mention
graphing
organizations,
think
of
addressing
Grassroots
communities
or
agencies
that
do
work
and
in
this
community
CCE
yes,
is
awesome,
but
they
are
gradual
organizations.
Also,
that
will
be
very
helpful.
Foreign.
A
I
will
admit
that
every
year,
when
I
get
my
electricity
bill
and
it
asks
me,
please
choose
your
electricity
provider
and
then
I,
look
and
I
look
at
the
table
and
I
get
overwhelmed
and
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing
and
then
I
ended
up
not
making
your
choice
and
I
go
with
the
default.
That
and
I
see
chooses.
A
This
model
is
really
a
wonderful
model.
It's
a
model,
I
think
that
a
lot
of
larger
employers
use
to
help
their
employees,
so
they
used
to
sell
their
employees.
Hey
we'll
give
you
money
for
your
retirement
plan,
you
choose
where
the
money
should
go
and
employees
like
me
would
look
at
all
the
options,
get
really
overwhelmed
and
then
never
invest
in
their
retirement
plan
and
so
about
15
years
ago.
A
Employers
actually
turned
it
around
and
said
we
will
automatically
save
this
money
for
you
in
a
retirement
plan
with
Tia
craft
or
something
like
that,
they'll
default
to
it,
and
then
you
can
select
something
else.
If
it's
better,
but
what
ended
up
happening
was
everybody
started
saving
for
retirement
because
it
was
made
simple
for
them
and
it
was
an
automatic
thing
that
they
would
then
have
to
act
out
of
if
they
knew
more
and
could
be
selective.
So
I
feel
like
this
is
a
really
great
program.
A
It
will
help
all
of
our
residents
choose
sustainable
sources
of
energy
and
electricity.
There
will
be
a
discount
associated
with
our
bulk,
purchasing
and
and
I
think
CCE
and
our
Outreach
organizations.
You
know
having
that
at
the
living
room
to
help
people
through
this
process,
and
you
know
after
the
first
couple
of
years
we
won't
have
to
think
about
it.
So
much
because
of
the
automatic
but
I
think
it's
a
great
program,
because
I'm
still
struggling
how
to
write
him
to
choose
an
energy.
C
A
And
we
look
forward
to
having
more
coming
back
to
the
committee
which
we'll
talk
about
and
then
you
know
beyond.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
A
Okay,
before
we
move
on
on
the
agenda,
I
want
to
ask
the
Committees
well
I'll,
let
the
committee
decide
we
have
a
member
of
the
public
who
signed
up
for
public
comment,
was
expecting
a
link
to
be
sent
and
was
not
in
the
virtual
room,
but
they
then
came
to
Chambers
to
speak
and
I
would
be
willing
to
permit
them
their
three
minutes
of
public
comment.
A
If
the
committee
is
so
willing
to
do
that
now,
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
this
is
a
not
a
protocol
that
we
usually
use
when
someone
did
go
through
the
effort
of
signing
up
for
the
public
comment
within
the
time
frame
that
they
are
allowed
to,
and
there
was
some
miscommunication
or
misunderstanding
about
sending
the
link.
So
would
we
be
willing
to
okay
with
that
I'm,
seeing
mostly
yeses?
Okay?
A
Thank
you!
So
exactlynn
you
have
your
three
minutes.
E
E
In
the
city
and
I'd
like
to
speak
on
the
issue
of
the
city's
plan
for
unsanctioned
encampments,
it's
being
presented
this
evening
recently,
a
man
and
a
dog
and
his
dog
were
sad
in
a
jungle
behind
Warehouse
Carpet
Outlet,
not
far
from
Wegmans
at
about
two
in
the
morning
on
the
19th
timely
response
by
law
enforcement
saved
a
man's
life
after
trying
to
apply.
E
This
is
going
on
in
the
dorm,
without
access
roads
in
what
is
essentially
a
walnuts
area
and
a
recent
fire
in
the
area
on
the
seventh
consumed
several
dozen
stolen
bicycles,
the
proposed
Red
Zone
includes
a
portion
of
land
in
this
area,
surrounded
by
railroad
property
on
the
far
side
of
the
inlet
behind
Warehouse
Carpet
Outlet.
The
railroad
would
likely
be
interested
in
cooperation
with
the
city
plan
to
address
in
canvas
in
the
entire
area
of
the
Jungle.
Next
to
the
train
crash
by
New,
England
should
be
included
in
the
Red
Zone.
E
Clearing
of
trees
and
brush
will
allow
a
line
of
sight
across
the
entire
area
and
I'd
like
to
encourage
you
to
please
communicate
with
the
Central
Railroad
on
addressing
these
encampments
I.
Imagine
they
would
want
help.
I
also
feel
compelled
to
point
out
that
the
potential
for
the
green
zone
to
grow
out
of
control
is
very
significant
and
once
word
gets
out,
you
can
land
them
free
on
steady
land.
There's,
no
one
telling
how
many
people
will
come
here.
E
66
Acres,
with
a
huge
crack
of
land
to
get
to
thousands
of
people,
there's
also
potential
for
Walmart
to
consider
shutting
down
on
due
to
the
large
amounts
where
you
tell
that
that
are
already
an
issue
and
would
only
become
exasperated
with
an
increase
in
the
population
in
that
area,
and
this
could
have
a
major
impact
on
attack
tax
base
in
the
cities
where
it's
usually
go
home.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
allowing
these
students.
A
We're
going
to
move
back
to
the
agenda
now
and
we'd
have
under
action
items.
We
have
two
and
remember
these
are
two
different
amendments
to
the
b-zone
two
different
Visa
amendments,
I'll,
say
just
I'm
going
to
take
us
a
little
out
of
order
in
the
way
the
agenda
is
set
because
we
need
to
declare
do
a
declaration
lead
agency,
as
well
as
the
Declaration
of
environmental
significance
before
we
address
the
ordinance
so
I'll
just
move
the
free
agency.
A
It's
an
ordinance
to
abandon
this
code
of
the
city
of
Ithaca,
chapter
325,
entitled
zoning
to
amend
the
Austrian
parking
requirements
in
the
b1a,
B4
and
b5's.
Only
districts
so
resolve
at
the
common
Council
of
city
of
Ithaca
does
hereby
declare
itself
the
need.
Agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
The
Proposal
to
amending
the
municipal
code
of
the
city
of
Ithaca,
chapter
325
entitled
zoning
to
amend,
The
Offspring
parking
requirements
in
the
b1a
B4
and
V5
sewing
districts.
A
We
have
a
second
for
that
motion
ducks
in.
Thank
you
in
the
discussion.
Or
can
we
just
go
into
voting
all
those
in
favor
of
declaring
us
as
the
lead
agency?
And
it
looks
like
it's
unanimous.
Thank
you,
I!
Think.
Yes,
okay!
Now
we're
going
to
do
the
next
piece
of
that
which
is
to
declare
the
environmental
significance
again.
I'll
read
the
resolve
that
the
common
Council
meet
agency
in
this
matter
hereby
the
dots
as
its
own.
A
A
I'll
say
it's
both,
so
all
is
in
favor
of
declaring
a
declaration
of
environment
certificates.
A
A
Council
for
chapter
325
as
follows:
chapter
305,
District
regulations.
A
And
the
second
Tiffany,
thank
you,
okay,
so
let's
we
can
talk
about
this.
Megan
is
here
as
well:
the
there
is
some
great
maps
that
are
showing
us
exactly
where
we're
talking
about
these
remaining
zones
and
also
some
other
information
there.
So
if
we
have
any
questions
for
Megan,
you
want
to
get
us
started
and
we
can
go
over.
There
sure.
G
So,
as
you
might
remember,
when
we
came
to
planning
committee
previously
that
this
change
was
really
we've
gotten
several
comments
and
requests
from
Property
Owners,
including
area
variance
requests
for
off-state
parking
in
these
zones,
whereas
the
many
of
them
have
historically
not.
C
A
Then
for
B2
we.
G
Want
to
take
a
closer
study
of
that
in
the
future,
so
so
it
seems
that
it
would
have
a
beneficial
impact
for
property
owners
without
having
any
negative
impacts
of
Australian
areas.
G
We
did
circulate
the
proposal
for
common
over
the
past
month
and
it
didn't
really
get
many
public
comments
and
did
hear
from
the
landmarks
preservation
commission.
That
is
supportive
of
this
change,
because
it
decreases
the
amount
of
parking
that
might
be
added
to
the
the
green
space
in
the
historic
disparency
abide
and
we
did
did
send
it
for
you
by
the
Thompkins,
County
Department
of
planning
and
sustainability
and
I.
Think
you'd
have
a
copy
of
the
letter
on
your
desk.
Sometimes.
A
According
questions
from
the
committee
or
the
scheduling
points,
supporter
of
this
I
mean,
but
certainly
we
can.
You
know,
target
areas
where
it's
very
obvious
that
they
should
go
away.
Who
has
sort
of.
F
Too,
that
stupid
about
their
needs
and
so
at.
A
I,
don't
have
this
the
numbers,
but
I
feel
like
variance
requests
to
pza
very
frequently
about
yeah,
addressing
mineral
parking
requirements
and
I've
been
interested
in
maybe
long
as
I'm,
in
assessing
the
frequency
of
certain
requirements
and
whether
we
suggest
and
if
they're
granted
very
frequently
whether
we
should
just
change
the
code
so
that
we
kind
of
hungry
that
this
parking
requirement
is
too
strengthen.
These
Saturday
requirements
are
open
to
owners
managers,
and
so
this
is
the
case
where
I
do
that.
G
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
Echo
docson
and
thank
you
for
coming
to
speak
with
us
tonight.
I
think
it's
applicably,
true,
that
our
our
parking
minerals
are
completely
outdated
and
obviously
don't
Echo
the
needs
of
our
community
and
our
small
businesses.
So
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
completely
as
part
of
this,
and
thank
you
for.
A
Great
thanks,
Tiffany
Megan.
B
I,
don't
know,
is
there
any
comment
from
us
about
the
canopies.
G
Yes,
the
county
expressed
some
concern
about
the
proposal
for
the
B5
Zone,
which
is
okay.
It's
only
on
alumniard
road.
The
concern
that
the
city
has
invested.
A
G
Bicycle
and
pedestrian
infrastructure
in
the
area
and
that
they're
concerned
that
people
will
park
on
the
street
and
walk
the
bike
lane
and
such
that
happens.
We
did
conversate
at
no
on-street
parking
is
allowed
on
old
on
our
road.
So
could
people
potentially
Park
on
neighborhood
streets?
If
you
know
the
market,
doesn't
they
don't
build
the
parking?
G
The
market
demands
I,
suppose
that
is
possible,
but
we
really
don't
encision
that,
particularly
in
that
area
and
yes,
a
lot
of
the
businesses,
there
are
I,
guess
Auto
Centric
in
one
way
or
another
car
wash
our
auto
parts
that
can.
A
As
I
look
at
the
v1a
I
noticed
that
this
is
includes
many
of
the
personal
students
come
back
to
us.
I
want
to
say
last
year
about
change
of
use
in
these
areas
having
to
do
with,
like
doctors
and
professionals,
and
residents
and
neighbors
were
very
much
opposed
to
that
change,
and
it
we're
proposing
an
equally
dramatic
change
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
those
individuals
have
been
aware
of
what
is
made
with
those
did.
G
A
Street
well,
I
mean
I
the
tricky
thing
about
zoning
right.
Is
you
look
at
it
and
you
imagine,
what's
there
now
and
say
well,
what's
there
now
do
they
need
it,
but
I
also,
look
at
the
zone
and
I
see
what's
possible
right.
C
A
Many
pressures
to
develop,
obviously
in
B5
I,
fully
expect
that
once
the
parking
requirements
are
removed,
the
attractiveness
for
this
area
is
no
longer
going
to
be
for
auto.
Related
Industries
is
going
to
be
for
other
things,
so
looking
around
as
well
as
in
the
need
for
his
own
I,
see.
C
A
The
area
immediately
adjacent
to
us
on
each
state
which
there's
a
proposed
well
actually
no
one's
across
the
street.
So,
yes,
it
does
have
all
these
prices.
There
I
understand
the
rationale
for
this
change.
A
A
It
may
not
really
apply
when
you're
talking
about
R3
and
high
density
uses
such
as
business
users,
I,
do
believe.
Investors
will
bring
a
buyer
that
are
the
parcels,
have
the
market
driven
demand
for
parking
degree
supplied
on
site,
so
not
necessarily
equipment
to
what
the
city's
parking
requirement
would
be.
A
Okay,
thanks
any
other
comments
or
questions.
Are
we
ready
to
vote
awesome.
A
G
Let
me
put
it
in
as
a
comment
rather
than
a
recommended
modification
which
are
two
different
categories,
so
they
were
just
going
to
share
their
comments
on
it,
but
they
didn't
put
it
as
a
recommendation
that
would
require
the
super
majority.
A
I
got
a
call
this
weekend
from
constituent,
so
I'm
trying
to
get
clarification
and
they
were
talking
about
walking
and
owner.
You
know
people
so
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
are
we
talking
about
people
having
low-income
people
or.
D
A
Is
this
something
like
along
the
lines
we're
talking
about
now
and
how
most
small
businesses
and
small
people
that
own
houses
and
stuff
like
that?
Cannot
you
know
the
way
that
it's
worded
or
whatever
they
can't
afford
it?
The
same
so
I
just
want
a
little
more
clarification
here.
G
So
yes,
I,
would
serve
as
an
underground
parking
is
extremely
expensive
to
construct
info.
It
is
much
easier
if
it's
going
to
be
built
to
be
a
larger
project
and
we
don't
see
that
in
I
would
say
in
most
of
the
you
can't
think
of
any
that
we
would
see
in
these
zones
because
they
don't
tend
to
be
smaller,
like
you
said,
and
they
might
have
small
service
spots,
a
couple
parking
spaces
and
it's
residential,
and
but
really
we
see
a
lot
of
these
buildings
are
currently
don't
meet.
A
Okay,
rear
remote
all
those
in
favor,
and
that
looks
unanimous.
Thank
you
thanks.
Megan
I
think
you're
you're,
probably
here
for
the
next
one
as
well.
I'll
just
stay
a
little
more
okay.
There
we
go
so
again,
we'll
go
to
the
department
ourselves
lead
agency
with
the
resolution
that
the
Khan
Council
in
city
of
Indica
does
here
by
declares
of
lead
Agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
The
Proposal
to
amending
the
municipal
code
of
the
city
of
Ithaca,
chapter
325,
entitled
zoning
to
Amanda
zoning
District
boundaries
of
the
mixed
use
to
mutube
District.
A
And
then
so,
I
knew
that
and
I
need
a
second
sorry.
So
do
you
go
ahead,
then
we
have
any
discussion
on
that
or
no
we
can
vote
so
we'll
prepare
ourselves
need
agency.
Follow
us
in
favor.
Thank
you
now
moving
on
to
the
next,
which
is
the
Declaration
of
environmental
significance.
A
I'll
just
do
the
resolves
that
the
common
councils,
the
agency
in
this
matter
hereby
at
Knox,
has
its
own
planings
and
the
conclusions
more
fully
set
forward
to
that
on
the
full
environmental
assessment
perform
dated
May
30th
2023
and
be
it
for
the
result
that
this
common
council
is
lead
agency
in
the
matter
hereby
determines
that
the
proposed
action
at
issue
will
not
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment
and
that
further
environmental
review
is
unnecessary
and
be
a
further
resolved
that
this
resolution
constitutes
notice
of
this
negative
Declaration
of
city
clerk
is
here
that
I
directed
the
file
a
copy
all
the
same
together
with
any
attachments
in
the
city
clerk's
office
and
forward
the
same
to
any
other
parties,
as
required
very
long.
A
So
I
move
that
second
Cynthia
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor.
Thank
you.
That's
unanimous
and
now
we'll
move
to
the
ordinance
itself
here
it
is
when
it's
well
I'll
just
do
that.
A
A
Of
the
municipal
code,
the
amended
as
follows,
and
I'll
just
move
that
as
it's
written
into
those
four
sections
and
a
second
okay,
Tiffany
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
a
discussion
or
comment.
This
also
comes
with
a
map
to
help
us
understand
exactly
where,
in
the
city
we're
talking
about
and
some
other
information,
but
Megan
will
probably
remind
us
of
what
we're
talking
about.
G
Sure
so,
when
we
started
to
look
at
the
parking
issues
in
the
Visa
ones,
we
again
went
through
all
of
them
and
found
that
they're
only
four
remaining
Parsons
in
the
entire
city
than
Arizona
btb
and
with
a
few
exceptions,
they
are
nearly
identical
in
terms
of
the
requirements.
Is
that
mu2
or
misuse
building
districts,
so
the
uses
allowed
are
identical.
G
Height,
Building
height
in
terms
of
having
a
six-story
building
is
allowed.
They
do
allow
taller
in
terms
of
feet,
but
since
they're
already
tall
buildings
at
the
maximum
stores,
there's
not
an
incentive
to
redevelop
them
because
of
that
and
although
they're
located
in
the
East
Hill
historic
district,
so
that
has
an
additional
protection,
but
really
the
biggest
difference
I
say
is
whether
parking
is
allowed
or
not.
G
So,
I
took
a
closer
look
at
these
properties,
and
all
of
them
are
deficient
in
parking
as
it
stands
now
and
they
also,
if
they
have
so,
it
seemed
to
make
sense
to
change
the
boundary
to
put
them
in
the
same
district
as
what's
located
across
the
street,
which
is
something
I'm
trying
to
do.
They
have
foreign.
G
We
at
the
time
deliberately
excluded
everything
that
was
in
the
historic
district
from
the
farm-based.
Zoning
would
be
understanding
that
the
landmarks
Mission
would
look
more
informed
and,
and
they
certainly
do
in
that
would
still
be
the
case
with
this,
but
they're
again,
the
requirements
on
this
particular
zone
are
so
close
to
what
they
are.
Currently,
that's,
not
necessarily
true
of
all
of
them
area
formed
districts
categories,
but
of
this
one
it.
A
B
We're
gonna
move
on
the
agenda
to
a
discussion.
A
A
All
right,
so
thank
you
very
much.
I
am
representing
the
working
group
for
unsanctioning
cabinets
tonight.
I'm
doing
a
presentation.
Almost
all
members
of
the
group
are
in
the
room,
so
appreciate
their
reminders
or
feedback
should
I
leave
anything
else.
So
tonight
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
policy.
We
have
some
decision
points
we'd
like
to
discuss
before
we
get
into
the
policy
I
wanted
to
talk
about
how
and
why
we
made
the
policy
and
approached
it.
The
way
we
did
I
want
to
give
some
background
on.
C
A
Public
land,
city-owned
property
has
been
managed
living
candidates
in
the
past
and
then
we'll
give
a
policy
overview.
So.
A
Okay,
so
the
working
group-
this
was
the
charge
of
the
working
group
and
this
policy.
This
draft
policy
really
addresses
primarily
the
first,
the
first
part
of
the
church.
It
is
a
Land
Management
policy,
it
is
a
pilot
policy
and
it
it
touches
upon
the
last
part
of
the
charge,
but
it
primarily
is
about
how
to
land
manage
land
in
the
face
of
the
in
campus.
The
working
group
members
are
on
the
bottom,
okay
and
developing
the
policy.
These
are
the
resources
we
use.
A
We
talk
to
the
city
departments,
we
did
a
survey,
we
did
one
on.
We
asked
some
people
to
come
to
the
group
and
and
meet
with
us
individually,
one-on-one
interviews.
We
got
a
lot
of
feedback
on.
A
Of
consistent
feedback
from
everybody
really
and
not,
everybody
agreed
on
the
if
you've
got
different
feedback
on
some
things,
not
everybody
agreed,
but
we
did
get
some
consistent
feedback
that
led
to
choices
like
War
choices
like
the
word
enforcement
they've
got
very
consistent
feedback
from
everybody
that
whatever
policy
we
developed,
should
be
very
clear
about
the
protocol
or
enforcement.
We
tried
other
words,
and
so
we
landed
on
enforcement.
But
not
everybody
agrees
on
that.
A
In
addition
to
meeting
with
there's
a
people,
we
did
do
research
and
learning
on
our
home.
We
looked
at
several
policies.
These
are
some
of
them.
We
didn't
just
look
at
how
we
looked
at
some
policies.
We
wouldn't
wouldn't
necessarily
agree
with
too,
and
we
looked
at
policies
that
were,
you
know,
also
have
changed
since
we
looked
at
them,
so
we
informed
ourselves
about
policies.
A
We
also
looked
at
the
U.S
interagency
Council
on
homelessness,
emerging
principals
for
encampment
resolution,
and
we,
your
very
good
influenced
by
a
recent
nine
circuit
court
case.
Martin
would
be
Boise
which,
in
the
end,
determined
that
camping
on
public
land
could
not
decriminalize
if
there
was
no
other
alternative.
A
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
policy
is
really
about
the
management
of
the
public
of
city
land.
It's
not
a
policy
about
assisting
and
addressing
the
needs
of
unshaltered
persons
person,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
people
aware
of
the
other
things
that
the
city
is
doing
to
them.
A
Here
is
a
list
of
some
of
the
things
we're
doing.
Just
recently,
the
Iowa
received
at
1.2
million
dollar
home
ARP
allocation.
That
I
think
you
saw
last
month
and
specifically
targeted
to
support
a
housing
Surge
and
prevent
returning
to
homelessness
or
vulnerable
individuals.
We
did
create
a
position
of
homeless,
Outreach
coordinator
and
allocated
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
2023
budget
in
May,
the
farm
Council
endorsed
the
continuing
cares
home
together,
Tompkins
plan.
A
Okay,
so
we
asked
ourselves
this
question
constantly
throughout
the
process.
Why
do
we
need
a
Land
Management
plan?
And
so
here
are
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
felt
that
the
policy
interests
so
recognizing,
of
course,
that
camping
on
public
plans
is
the
last
resort
to
those
experiencing
homelessness.
Policy,
establishes
guidance
to
better
manages
to
use
the
city
property
by
providing
these
some
of
these
things
and
probably
other
things
as
well.
A
But
I
think
one
of
the
main
things
that
is
aiming
to
provide
is
a
clear
expectation
for
campers,
Outreach
workers,
City
staff,
creating
a
system
of
communication
and
tracking
for
for
working
with
encampments
on
public
land
and
the
coordinating
system
across
City
departments,
and
you
know
just
establishing
a
protocol
for
Humanity
relocation
when
it's
necessary.
The
and
the
policy
really
does
save
the
board,
always
voluntary
relocation
and
you,
as
you
saw
in
the
policy,
there's
a
six
steps
and
and
the
other
thing.
A
So
there's
some
background
on
current
approaches
to
managing
the
public
land
used
for
campus.
So
we
have
really,
over
the
years,
done
a
case-by-case
approach
when
there
are
issues
that
arise,
but
we
also
have
taken
kind
of
consistent
actions
over
the
years
from
the
top
of
the
road
we
have
built
roads
to
improve
emergency
access,
both
on
the
Southwest,
partial
and
Brinley
Street
and
light
screws
have
taken
advantage
of
the
seasonality
of
encampments.
They
tend
to
clear
out
in
the
winter
months.
A
So
if
the
crews
have
there's
no
opacity
retake
the
opportunity
to
clean
up
campsites-
and
this
is
just
an
example
of
what
kind
of
cleaning
needs
to
be
done-
it
is
can
be
kind
of
specialized.
It
sometimes
requires
cutting
down
trees
and
specialized
removal
due
to
the
type
and
amount
we
have
done
that
and
what
have
we
done
when
there
have
been
conflicts
between
camping
and
public
use,
of
use
of
our
city-line
property
for
public,
usually
welfare.
So
in
parks-
and
mostly
it's
just
happened
in
parks.
A
C
A
C
A
The
new
Waterside,
and
also
when
we
we're
marketing
the
head
of
Cherry
Street
for
sale.
There
was
a
long
process
of
working
with
Outreach
workers
working
with
staff
to
notify
people
that
they
had
to
move
because
we
needed
this
lamp
or
something
else.
It
was
a
long
process
and
we
achieved
voluntary
rehabilitation
in
in
both
of
those
cases
and
then
obviously,
we
provide
emergency
response
and
assistance.
The
emergency
responds
for
fire,
medical
emergencies
and
crime
is
a
continuous
and
consistent
response
and
the
in
talking
to
emergency
responders.
A
We
did
learn
that
you
know
many
people
have
and
both
police
and
fire
have
developed
relationships
with
people
in
the
encampments,
and
they
also
respond,
and
you
know
they
use
multiple
factors
when
they're
determining
how
to
respond
to
a
subject.
Of
course
we
did.
We
began
the
Outreach
work
program
at
the
city
to
deal
with
conflict
common
Illness,
but
it
did
expand
over
the
years
and
and
now
there
are
Outreach
workers
that
do
visit
the
encampus
and
their
goal
is
to
ascend
really
at
needing
basic
needs.
A
Okay,
before
we
go
into
the
policy
and
how
we
are
categorizing
land
or
how
a
policy
proposes
to
categorize
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
map
of
the
city
home
properties,
both
within
the
city
and
some
without
losing
the
large
purple
area.
So
the
south
of
the
city
is
our
drinking
water
Watershed,
most
of
it's
in
the
town
of
it.
A
A
So
we'll
I'll
talk
about
the
zones
first
and
I'll
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail.
So
the
proposed
camping
limits
proposed
by
this
policy
are
three
examples:
a
green
zone
in
which
camping
is
temporarily
alone.
So
that
means,
and
the
green
zone
is
the
Southwest
parcel
of
behind
while
flows
in
Walmart,
and
that
would
be
areas
of
the
Southwest.
Although
this
picture
doesn't
depict
it
the
areas
that
aren't
being
actively
managed.
So
this
wouldn't
include
the
dewatering
side
in
any
land
being
used
by
public
works
or
the
city
or
another
city
terms.
A
So
if
there
are
enchantments
or
people
camping
due
to
homelessness
in
this
area,
it
would
be
somewhere
a
Red
Zone
would
be
a
no
camping
area
where
camping
would
be
strictly
prohibited
and,
as
Cynthia
did
mention
before
any
area
that
is
a
red
zone
or
would
be
proposed
as
a
Red
Zone
would
be.
There
wouldn't
be
encampments
already
in
that
area
we
would
be
talking
about.
A
Removing
people
would
be
talking
about
trying
to
prevent
encampments
from
formally
and
that,
although
the
math
doesn't
show
all
the
red
zones,
it
does
include
city
parks,
tree
Lawns,
sidewalks
parking
lots,
some
areas
where
we
don't
currently
have
in
campus,
but
wouldn't
want,
but
I'm
shooting,
but
and
then
in
Amazon,
where
camping
is
prohibited,
but
there's
a
lower
enforcement.
Important
priority,
of
course,
reinforcement
for
a
priority
we
don't
have
Amazons
to
find,
but
we'll
talk
about
their
characteristics
are
all
right.
A
So
in
the
green
zone,
this
is
the
framework
for
the
policy
in
the
green
zone.
We're
going
to
provide
basic
hygiene
and
sanitary
services.
There
would
be
the
prohibition
on
campus
would
not
be
enforced,
and
law
enforcement
would
be
instructed
to
take
a
non-involvement
approach
to
Camping
unless
there
was
an
emergency
response,
an
emergency
situation-
and
you
know,
but
they
would
continue
to
provide
an
emergency
response
for
criminal
activity
in
the
Red
Zone.
This
would
be
the
priority
in
a
Red.
A
And
we
can
also
take
physical
interventions
that
include
physical
barriers
or
potential
reprogramming
Amazon's.
We
are.
The
policy
suggests
that
the
city
look
at
enforcement
and
Amber
zones
on
a
case-by-case
basis
if
a
problem
arise
or
an
accumulative
impact
of
multiple
factors.
May
warrant
enforcement,
however,
so
Amazon's
would
be
places
where
there
were
camping
was
already.
A
We
don't
want
to
make
them
red,
but
as
long
as
people
as
long
as
these
encampments
stay,
as
the
policy
says,
civil
sanitary,
it
would
not
be
prioritized
for
divorce
and,
as
with
all
zones,
voluntary
relocation
would
be
the
aim
if
we
needed
to
do
any
enforcement.
Of
course,
it's
important
to
mention
that
the
city.
A
Are
the
right
to
remove
or
close
campsites
if
there's
an
emergency
situation
or
a
hazard
situation,
we
haven't
had
that,
but
it's
important
to
mention
anything
and
say
in
this
sentence
all
right:
what
does
the
policy
say
about
enforcement?
So
enforcement
with
my
prioritized
in
this
way
emergency
condition
or
instruction,
so
the
policy
talks
about
emergency
conditions.
More
instruction
would
be.
Some
is
obstruction
from
the
necessary
public
use
of
plans.
Very
simple
example
of
that
could
be
like
again
an
armor
sidewalk.
Somebody
would
immediately
be
asked
to
leave
phase
out
of
it.
A
You
know,
and
campsites
in
the
red
zones
again
would
be
always
with
a
goal
of
voluntary
relocation
and
to
prevent
encampments
from
farming
in
Red
Zone
and
then
the
campsites
and
average
jobs
as
needed.
A
So
the
system
is
a
shared
incident
database
and
incident
reporting
system
that
anybody
involved
with
communication
in
regards
to
enforcement
or
or
or
you
know,
monitoring
and
could
log
into
this
database,
and
it
could
be
widely
shared
with
the
whole
city
staff
with
County,
and
it
would
give
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
keep
track
of
what's
going
on
so
that
it
would
help
in
the
future
as
we
meet
so
that
system
does
not
exist.
A
Now
we
don't
have
a
system
of
keep
tracking
what
we're
doing
and,
however,
and
then
this
the
policy
recommends
an
enforcement
protocol.
That
is
as
follows.
Us
and
more
fully
explained
in
the
books.
A
So
first
three
visits
by
City
staff-
and
this
is
this-
is
in
the
red
zones,
three
visits
by
City
staff
of
the
general
preference,
of
course,
as
the
policy
says,
is
for
these
visits
to
happen
by
Outreach
workers.
But
should
they
not
want
to
do
them
or
can't
do
them?
It
could
be
by
City
staff,
three
visits
by
City
staff
to
inform
people
that
camping
is
not
allowed
in
the
area
in
the
regional
to
suggest
to
them
areas
where
camping
is
allowed.
C
A
To
hopefully,
connect
people
who
are
in
the
Red
Zone
choose
people
who
to
agencies
or
groups
that
can
provide
them
with
options
for
housing
or
services
that
they
might
need.
So
this
would
be.
We
don't
have
a
timeline
set
out,
but
it
would
be
three
visits,
probably
over
at
maybe
three
weeks,
people
giving
information
asking
people
to
relocate
and
telling
them
how
they
can
get
into
services
wouldn't
help.
The
policy
hopes
that
that
would
that
would
have
achieve
voluntary
relocation.
If
that
is
not
achieved,
then
there
are
three
more
steps.
A
The
police
would
give
a
verbal
notice
to
anyone
camping
in
a
red
zone
that
they
need
to
move.
Then
they
would
get
written
notice
to
anyone
camping
that
they
need
to
move
and
then
the
culmination
of
the
policy.
If
we
couldn't
get
it
voluntary
relocation
at
this
point
would
be
a
citation
would
be
issued.
A
citation
is
basically
an
appearance
ticket.
It
is
not
an
arrest
the
person
to
appear
in
important
to
yeah,
because
they
have
a
citation
and
I
definitely
want
to
say
that
the
policy
does
not
authorize
or
recommend
police
sweeps.
A
That
is
all
right.
So
that
is
the
policy
overview
that
I
was
going
to
get.
We
have
been
some
questions
about
what
should
be
included
and
discussion
points
next,
I've
broken
forward
to
the
one
I
wonder
if
people
have
anybody
in
the
group
has
anything
to
add,
or
anybody
has
any
questions
about.
A
You
know,
as
as
a
group
member.
A
Amount
of
thanks
to
to
Lisa
Janelle's
the
United
City
staff
involved,
so
we're
made
an
important
part
alongside
us
in
the
group
and
drafting
this
policy.
This.
E
Is
not
an
easy
issue
to
tackle
with,
and
we've
been
dealing
with
it
for
some
time
now
and
and
so
I
really
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
we're
into
it
and
again
just
want
to
reiterate
that
I
think
it's
really.
A
Important
since
the
beginning
we've
been
discussing
how
criminalizing
homelessness
is
not
something
that
we
are
trying
to
do
with
the
policy
at
all.
That
has
guided
us
to
to
this
point,
and
so
it's
really
important
that
it's
because
Lisa
mentions
at
the
end
that
we're
not
penalizing
homelessness
with
this
policy,
and
it's
that's
really
important
I.
Imagine
we'll
get
into
discussion
regarding.
A
Important
I
still
remain
probably
the
biggest
challenge
for
us
in
terms
of
how
to
deal
with
this
to
deal
with
this
draft
policy.
That
I
think
the
voluntary
encampment
side
has
been
is
a
wonderful
idea
that
we
should
adopt
immediately.
A
Of
life
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness,
there
I
still
have
my
concerns
regarding,
of
course,
and
how
we
deal
with
it.
But
it's
a
tricky.
It's
a
tricky.
You
know
conflict
approach
and
so
I'd
love
to
hear
from
the
rest
of
my
colleagues
here
in
PDC
outside
of
the
working
group
without
their
quotes
on
how
we
can
how
we
can
deal
with
this,
but
there's
a
lot
of
great
work.
A
A
Well
it
just
it
made
me
think
of
something
I'm,
not
sure.
I
emphasized
enough
in
the
presentation
that
you
know
we
looked
at
all
these
policies,
but
then
we
also
started
following
news
stories,
and
these
communities
are
changing
their
policies
all
the
time
as
they
try
to
figure
this
out,
and
so
one
really
important
aspect
of
this
is
It's
a
pilot.
So
we
can
test
these
things
over
a
period
of
time
and
see
if
they
work
and
if
not
or
just
so,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
glad.
You
mentioned
that,
because
that
was
my
question
was
going
to
be
about
that
I
noticed
it
denoted
at
the
end
that
the
policy
was
the
cover
valuation
evaluation,
and
so
it
I.
You
know
in
my
eight
years
on
Council
we've
had
several
opportunities
to
Pilot
guns
and
we're
often
not
very
good
about
identifying
in
advance
what
what
we
will
do
at
the
end
of
a
pilot
time
period
to
evaluate
whether
that
pilot
worked
or
didn't
work
or
what
needs
to
change
and
move
it
forward.
So
I
it.
A
Maybe
this
is
in
more
of
your
presentation,
but
I
would
love
to
hear
more
about
what
we
think
we
will
be
doing
to
collect
information
and
therefore
evaluate
how
we're
doing
and
I
and
I
get
it's
a
complex
issue
and
as
we're
seeing
in
other
cities,
they're
morphing
plants
as
they're
going
along.
So
if
there's
anything,
we
can
learn
from
that.
I
think
it
would
be
a
valuable
lesson.
A
So
that
we
know
what's
happening
and
I
think
we
definitely
lose
that
for
evaluation
and
and
we
will
hopefully
have
a
person
on
staff
who
will
have
that
role
and
I
think
we're
you
know,
collecting
data
will
be
the
important
part
and
to
see,
if
you
know
are
there,
people
is.
Are
the
interventions
we're
already
taking
in
the
Red
Zone
working?
Are
we
you
know
what
are
people?
How
many
times
does
it
take
to
approach
somebody?
You
know
if
people
knew
are
they
not
even
going
there?
A
A
George
and
I
have
been
working
on
this
for
years,
so
the
creation
of
the
working
group
has
been
integral
to
taking
into
an
implementation
step
and
I
really
wanted
to
thank
Jorge
for
his
words
and
acknowledgment
that
the
city
policy
does
not
in
any
way
criminalize
homelessness
and
does
not
endorse
police
sweeps
or
anything
ending
up
in
a
jail
cell
as
a
result
of
this
policy,
so
I
appreciate
that
clarification
and
and
I
I'm
yeah
I'm
glad
to
see
this
move
forward,
but
I'm
also
very
mindful
that
we
don't
confuse
this
right.
A
But
presumably
that
is
the
same
as
well
for
the
green
zone
that
you
know
it
is
temporary
as
long
as
presumably
it's,
safe
and
and
sanitary,
and
so
on
with
the
same
standards,
the
Amazon
and
both
of
those
things,
I
think
for
the
success
of
those
sites.
A
It
requires
intimate
partnership
with
County
and
Outreach
workers,
and
we
cannot
actually
address
quality
of
life
issues
for
those
living
on
the
house
without
that
partnership,
but
I
realized
as
a
city.
All
we
can
do
are
the
things
that
we
have
control
over
or
not.
We
can't
really
set
policy
over
the
things
we've
done
that
control
over.
So
this
is
the
first
step.
It
is
constantly
going
to
be.
A
Your
lives
been
updated,
but
I
do
want
to
be
mindful
that
this
is
just
one
step,
and
you
know
to
to
what
his
comment
earlier
like
this.
We
have
so
much
more
work
to
do
to
address
the
policy
of
quality
of
life
issues,
and
not
only
does
it
require
partnership
with
the
county
and
Outreach
workers,
but
to
you
know
the
speakers
comment
earlier.
It
will
also
require
participation
of
neighboring
property
owners.
A
A
We
cannot
include
them
in
the
Red
Zone,
because
we
don't
have
control
over
that
land,
it's
private
land,
but
we
do
need
to
work
closely
with
private
property
owners
so
that
we
can
address
those
land,
use
issues
and
safety
issues
and
other
issues,
and
only
together
will
we
be
able
to
look
at
this
holistically
because
just
focusing
on
City
Line
itself,
you
know
experience
has
shown
that
the
activities
will
will
go
to
other
spaces
that
aren't
getting
the
same
level
of
attention
so
making
sure
that
we
cooperate
with
what
code
and
other
programs
is
going
to
be
important
as
well.
A
Thank
you
all
for
all
the
work
that
we've
done,
I'm
glad
it's
a
violate.
It's
not
it's
just
a
way
of
seeing.
How
does
this
work
I'm
still
leery
about
the
language?
A
That's
used,
you
know,
because
when
we
talk
enforcement,
I
don't
know
about
other
people
that
I
only
let
it
go
to
what
enforcement
has
meant
over
years
and
years
in
in
many
communities,
I'm
very
clear
that
this
is
not
areas
that
people
of
the
college
beautifully
use,
and
so
my
concern
is
not
my
concern
is
how
does
this
that's?
A
Why
it's
a
path
right,
so
we
can
learn
from
it
and
that's
the
part
I'm
looking
forward
and
I
really
love
looking
forward
to
like
using
different
language
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
this,
you
know,
like
private
policy
overview,
could
be
the
language,
the
language,
the
language
and
so
talk
with
the
young
lady
history,
about
about
I
mean
going
way
back
history
about
these
land
use
and
people
using
the
land
was
very
interesting,
very
interesting.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
hard
work.
A
A
A
A
C
A
Like
just
years
of
conversation
but
I
fully
appreciate
that
I
know
it's
super
difficult.
That's
why
I'm
coming
in
I'm,
having
my
focus
so
take
this
a
little
today,
so
yeah
I
actually
look
for
something
other
than
the
course.
A
F
A
A
So
Champy's
already
part
of
this
city
and
my
preference
would
be
to
highlight
to
focus
on
the
green
zone
and
and
the
resources
that
that
will
offer,
which
I
assume
are
still
on
the
table.
In
terms
of
like
you
know,
running
a
lawyer,
and
maybe
some
generation
I
focused
too
on.
A
Brought
the
variance
to
to
these
Chambers
and
members
of
County,
Legislature
and
kind
of
council
and
staff
who
both
plays
some
other
people
too
I
got
together
and
they
kind
of
talked
about
these
very
issues-
and
you
know
George
asked,
is
very
good
good
question
about
you
know
some
people
will
just
not
want
to
move
or
sign
up
on
the
fine
housing
or
get
help
with
their
drug
abuse.
Issues
is
really
difficult.
Sometimes.
C
A
A
So
all
that
to
say
that
you
know
the
enforcement
protocol
again,
but.
C
A
The
place
that
we
could
further,
they
now
Champion
use
Outreach
workers
exclusively
to
make
those
contacts
and
actually
and
those
offers
of
assistance
and
resources
so
yeah.
So
those
are
things
I
like
to
highlight
and
a
person
focus
on
that
person
interested
in.
At
least
this
point.
It
was
just
policy
and
then
several
of
you
said
like
we
really
need
to
coordinate
with
Academy.
A
Who
does
have
you
know
they
have
the
funnels
in
which
big
Federal
social
program
really
goes
through,
and
we
can
focusing
on
the
things
that
we
care
about,
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
hire
this
homeless
coordinator
person
and
it's
fine,
what
they're
going
to
do
and
how
they're
going
to
interact
with
County
and
other
agencies.
A
A
But
I
didn't
want
to
come
back
to
his
point
about
language
and
a
whole
thing
of
like
you
know
everything
that
I'm
watching
it's
about
police
verbal
notice.
Well,
he's
written
noticeable
recitation
issued
and
enforcement,
and
when
why
and
I
I,
don't
know
I
thought
of
it?
We
were
talking.
Why
do
those
things
have
to
be
done
by
police
officers
right?
If
you
keep
talking
about
someone
who's
going.
A
To
do
this
work
right
and
you
know
Outreach
workers
and
different
things.
So
if
we
really
are
talking
about,
you
know
this
past
program
and
it's
not
being
enforced
and
not
being
criminalized.
A
So
what
I'm
saying
is
these
are
conversations
we're
not
having,
and
these
are
wide
bells
are
going
on
when
we're
here,
and
we
talk
about
criminalization
right,
how
you
know
and
and
I'm,
not
going
to
get
kudos
for
this.
But
when
you
know
you
keep
saying
you're
not
criminalizing,
but
you
keep
involving
cool
other
than
comes
on
play
when
somebody's
being
criminalized
right
so
I
mean
y'all.
Take
a
lot
and
I'm
thankful
for
all
the
work
that
y'all
do
but
I
mean
you
did
not.
A
Let
me
stop
now:
no
I'm
not
going
to
stop,
but
let
me
just
talk
a
little
more
about
what
does
it
mean
about
you
know
what
does
it
mean
to
people
when
you
when
you,
when
they're
saying
this
sounds
more
like
they're,
going
to
be
criminalized
right,
we're
not
saying
that
we're
sending
the
anyway
when
we
talk
about
anyway?
That's
just
a
point
of
what
I've
been
taking
and
not
saying
that
you
know
foreign.
A
An
average
worker
or
cities
have
been
a
non-uniform
pieces.
That
person
come
out
there
and
say
like
hey,
you
know
you
want
this
to
be
a
public
resource.
We
do
have
this
other
area
of
this.
C
A
You
come
back
to
the
same
question
and
I
think
the
feeling
is
very
much
we
all
are
in
agreement,
but
at
the
same
time
recognizing
that
you
do
need
to
have
the
stick,
although
you
never
hope
to
use
it,
that
it
does
give
nuclear
education
to
individuals
that
this
is
something
that
could
be
utilized,
but
by
all
that
accounts
we
want
to
do
everything
possible
to
avoid
it
because
of
the
negative
interaction,
because
it's
not
who
we
are
as
a
community.
A
That's
not
how
we
see
ourselves
interacting
with
our
residents
in
that
way,
but
I
think
by
having
it
there.
It
does
recognize
that
that
is
a
possibility
for
that.
But
just
based
on,
if
past
behavior
is
an
indicator
of
future
events,
I
mean
for
the
last
decade.
We
have
not
actively
used
law
enforcement
in
this
way
and
we've
done
everything
possible
to
avoid
it.
A
So
I
do
think
that
our
track
record
in
that
sense,
unless,
in
the
most
egregious
of
cases
you
know
and
and
again
here's
an
individual
and
the
question
is
if
other
housing
options
are
available
right
only
if
there
are
no
other
housing
options
available.
Is
this
a
violation
right
because
that
is
Martin
versus
Boise
right?
If,
if
there
are
no
other
housing
options
available,
then
sleeping
rough
is
not
a
violation
all
right.
So
here's
somebody
where
other
housing
options
are
available.
A
They
are
consistently
and
repeatedly
choosing
not
to
access
it
and
then
continuing
in
to
to
go
against
the
city
policy
and
again
doing
everything
possible
to
avoid
the
recitation,
but
recognizing
that
there
is
a
deliberate
choice
to
not
take
advantage
of
resources
available
together
and
continue
to
the
thing
in
the
program
areas.
A
I
think
it's
just
and
I
will
say
you
know
I
think
I
can
speak
for
the
committee.
The
council,
members
of
the
working
group
were
consistently
very
cautious
about
their
enforcement,
and
then
the
administrators
and
staff
are
like
well.
People
need
to
clearly
know
and
understand
what
the
role
of
staff
is
and
I
I
appreciate
that
direction
and
Clarity
that
understandable
language
provides
as
much
as
I
feel
very
uncomfortable
with
it.
A
One
of
the
things
that
I
hear
mentioned
over
and
over
again-
and
it
goes
back
to-
we
can
only
set
policies
over
things
that
we
control
is
if
we,
as
our
policy,
rely
on
Outreach
workers
and
leave
the
city
into
the
employers,
which
we
don't.
We
employ
Outreach
workers
indirectly,
which
may
or
may
not
actually
be
engaging
or
effective
or
following
our
policy.
So
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
have
a
policy
that
these
interactions
should
be
throughout
which
workers
they
probably
should
in
some
way
being
City
staff
people
with
that
job.
A
A
E
Appreciate
it
a
lot
of
what's
been
said
and
I
think
ducks
and
baby's
points
have
have
highlighted
what.
A
I
mentioned
in
my
previous
comment
about
where
my
concerns
and
meditations
are
with
some
of
the
elements
of
the
policy
which,
overall,
a
lot
of
the
aspects
that
we're
doing
here
in
terms
of
interactions
with
the
house
population
and
creating
a
a
viable
alternative
location
from
me
and
I
think
are
appropriately
good.
But
returning
to
the
issue
of
Enforcement
Administration,
what
have
you
I
think
Dustin's
points
very
well
had
that
I
don't
believe
the
citation
will
be
super
effective
and
the
census
word
is
stick
so
to
speak
from
from
moving
folks
and
I.
A
Think
our
track
record
has
shown
that
voluntary.
You
know,
cooperation
and
persuasion
has
been
more
effective
and
so,
as
a
last
resort,
lack
measure.
I
I
personally,
don't
feel
that
it's
a
very
strong
one
and
and
I
don't
feel
comfortable
with
it
on
us
having
it
for
the
sake
of
having
it,
and
that
and.
E
A
Think
that
that
has
to
wrestle
with
the
difficult
reality
that,
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
books
to
relocate,
who
might
be
resistant
to
it,
we
are
in
a
difficult
position.
If
we
want
to
hold
true
to
our
values
that
we
don't
want
to
criminalize
homelessness
and
it's
it's
difficult
and
a
challenging
reality
to
be
in,
but
I,
don't
think
that
I'm
more
a
lesser
or
or
a
less
effective
approach
enforcement
as
a
last
resort
for
the
sake
of
having
one
is,
is
the
best
approach
for
it
and
I.
A
E
A
E
A
Thank
you
so
I'm
going
to
pause
this
for
a
second
I
just
want
to
check
in
with
Lisa,
because
I
think
there
were
some
things
that
you
wanted
to
make
sure
you
heard
from
us
tonight,
and
so
you
or
maybe
any
other
members
of
the
working
group
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
cover
of
those
things.
Yes,
okay,
yeah
I,
just
I,
just
I
really
appreciate
this
conversation.
A
I
really
appreciate
this
conversation
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
and
I
see
that
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
or
in
the
policy
it's
a
six-step
process
and
I.
Think
I
made
an
errand
in
presenting
this
as
I
bunched,
the
three
site
visits
by
City
staff
into
one
bullet
point,
and
so
it's
true.
But
the
there
are
three
City
visits
by
City
staff:
the
best
preferences
for
those
to
be
conducted
by
Outreach
workers,
but.
A
Not
be
willing
or
able
to
do
so,
so
that's
the
policy
and
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
to
it.
We,
as
we
have
said
redstone,
don't
currently
have
encampments
on
the
the
policy,
is
to
try
to
prevent
that
from
happening.
So
when
somebody's
asked
to
relocate
and
read
them,
we're
talking
about
one
campsite,
possibly
it
happens
so
like
it's,
not
just
so
that
I
just
want
that
to
be
clear,
all
right
so
again,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
discussion,
and
so
we
have
some
points
that
we
are
interested
in.
A
So
some
quality
of
the
points
that
we
wanted
more
and
whatnot,
so
one
of
them
is,
should
additional
Labs
be
added
to
the
red
or
Amazon,
and
these
are
the
discussions
we
had
so
currently
the
only
Red
Zone
we
have
identified
is
this
one,
but,
as
you
know,
and
as
we've
discussed,
the
part
parts
and
parking
lots
of
freelance
are
also
at
written.
So
there
were.
A
There
were
two
three
well
four
other
properties,
this
property
at
the
end
of
plural,
this
property
at
the
end
of
cherry,
it's
actually
several
parcelsidium
Parsons,
and
these
two
parses
other
Parcels
were
discussed,
didn't
make
it
out
to
the
map,
but
we
couldn't
continue
to
try.
So
the
discussions
that
we
had
were
should
this
floral
last
parcel
and
this
parcelon
Cherry
Street
to
be
added
to
the
Red
Zone.
A
The
reason
being
for
the
Cherry
Street
parcel
is
that
it
previously
was
a
parcel,
a
part
of
that
parcel
that
we
wanted
to
sell
or
develop
or
another
use
and
and
and
we
at
the
time
we
moved
people
from
that.
A
We
asked
people
who
collaboratively
moved
from
that
person,
and
there
are,
you
know
there
are-
have
been
conflicts
with
the
businesses
in
this
area,
so
that
might
be
a
rehearsal
to
add
into
the
Red
Zone,
knowing
that
we're
going
to
reprogram
it
and
then
the
Flora
lab
Arsenal
Woods
is
two
Parcels,
one
of
which
is
in
the
town
and
one
of
which
is
in
the
city.
This
parcel
has
very
active
mechanics
on
it,
but
it
doesn't,
you
know,
have
what
we
heard
from
emergency
responders.
A
Is
it's
really
hard
to
find
people
there,
because
it
doesn't
have
the
kind
of
roads
that
we
put
in
other
places
and
like
it's
very
difficult
to
find
people,
because
it's
just
a
bunch
of
trails,
so
we
discussed
turning
this
into
an
Amber
Zone
recognizing
that
people
are
already
camping
here,
but
it
really
isn't
a
green
zone
because
we
can't
provide
anything
else,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
be.
Obviously
it
wouldn't
fit
the
definition
in
Red
Zone,
because
and
then
what
do
we
do
with
the
parcel
in
the
town
not
sure?
A
Actually
what
the
state
of
how
many
people
are
in
this
parcel.
But
what
should
we
do
with
the
person
kind
of
recognizing
that
it
is
our
land,
but
it
is
in
larger,
so
that
was
that
was
that
was
a
discussion
and
then
on
the
left.
This
is
a
this.
Is
the
Black
Diamond
Trail
as
it
goes
through
the
city
and
something
that
may
want
to
be,
we
discussed
may
want
to
be
considered
either
now
or
in
the
future.
A
As
as
the
trail
gets
developed,
do
we
want
to
have
a
buffer
along
each
side
of
the
trail?
That
would
be
categorized
as
red.
That's
a
future
decision,
but
that
that
is
one
decision
point
you
can
talk
about
that
now.
What
people
think
and
did
was
it
clear
would
I
presented.
A
A
Yeah
I
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Looking
at
that.
So
it's
interesting
to
do
this
I
would
very
much
support,
including
the
property
on
Floral
Avenue.
A
As
a
red
zone,
I
will
highlight
that
that
property
is
between
two
income
and
family
oriented
housing
complexes
and
West
Village
Apartments
and
Cedar
Creek
Apartments
West
Village
as
make
conservative
efforts
to
address
safety
and
activities
in
their
complex
I
spoke
to
Residents
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
last
week
as
well
to
ask
how
things
were
going
there,
and
they
tell
me
that
things
are
much
improved
in
terms
of
activities
that
were
going
on
on
Chestnut
Street
and
everyone
I
spoke
to
was
quite
alarmed
at
the
idea
that
this
might
be
a
site
that
is
in
Arizona
might
welcome
encampments
there
just
with
the
associated
activities
that
tend
to
happen
so
I
would
deter
allowing
this
as
an
Amber
Zone,
given
its
immediate
proximity
to
families
and
children
in
this
residential
area.
A
In
terms
of
moving
the
woods,
I
guess,
I
have
some
questions.
A
A
I
also
am
concerned
that
if
there
is
sort
of
a
nod
to
an
Amber
Zone
there
when
there
is
no
easy
access
for
emergency
or
fire
service,
I,
don't
even
think
that
you
can
get
to
half
of
the
Town
portions
through
the
city.
I
think
you
have
to
go
all
the
way
through
the
other
side
and
and
I
wasn't
sure.
If
there's
a
throne
and
easy
road
to
get
out
there,
so
by
indicating
it
as
an
Amber,
Zone
I'll
be
getting
invites
activities
without
the
city's
ability
to
provide
Emergency
Services.
A
Should
we
be
so
required
they're,
both
quite
swampy
areas
as
well.
C
A
A
A
But
I
would
say
this
is
one
area
of
reasons.
A
I'll
be
honest,
I
just
don't
know
the
area
as
well
as
soon
I
focus
on
green
zones
and
make
the
Assumption
of
that
which
otherwise
the
practice
of
the
city
is
to
get
characters
off
in
that
area.
Amazing,
those
old
songs,
is.
A
And
and
forgive
me
to
decide,
I'm,
not
one
you're
familiar
with
all
those
different
areas:
I'm,
not
imagination,
I
I
have
to
see
stuff
on
in
person.
You
know
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I'm
sure
I've
seen
these
places.
My
question
is
this:
because
we've
had
a
shortage
of
Housing
and
different
things
like
that,
and
this
is
city-owned
land.
A
Why
aren't
we?
Is
it
because
it
can
when
we
are
not
why
I've
been
no
talk
about
making
these
areas
places
where
people
can
live
and
Thrive
and
I?
You
know
I
that
that's
what
I'm
saying
is
it,
but
I
heard
something
about
the
Lambie
this
area
over
on
Floral,
Green
swampy,
so
I
can
understand.
Maybe
that's
why?
But
wasn't
this
a
big
old
swamp
before
right
and
look
at
all
the
work
that
has
happened,
and
so
you
know
at
any
time
right
that
we're
we're
in
swampy
land
we
can
get.
C
A
A
A
Actually,
the
first
project
I
had
when
I
came
here
many
years
ago,
was
to
run
a
project
to
evaluate
whether
that
could
be
developed
as
a
name
yeah.
So
it's
been
used
for
Public
Works
purposes
for
many
many
many
years
and
still
is
being
used.
As
you
know,
now
it
has
a
water
Insight
on
it,
but
we
also
used
to
use
it
to
store
materials
and
to
dispose
of
materials
that
we
don't
really
should
do.
A
But
it's
a
very
complex
say
it
has
because
of
the
way
that
it's
been
used,
the
geotechnical
situation,
the
underground,
it
doesn't
lend
itself
to
buildings,
and
it
has
86
11
acres
of
wetlands
and
okay,
a
big
utility
easement.
It's
not.
It
was
evaluated
and
unfortunately-
and
we
hope
that
people
interested,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
build
on
so
that
I
can
answer
to
that
one.
There
was
a
lot
of
interest
in
turning
that
into
some
kind
of
neighborhood,
but
it
just
wasn't
included.
A
A
A
A
I
also
recognize
that
as
our
city
grows
and
changes,
we
will
have
need
for
land
for
City
purposes
that
we
can't
anticipate.
Now.
You
know
it
was.
Maybe
you
know
when
we
dredge
the
Emma
and
created
it
in
the
70s.
It
seemed
logical
to
turn
all
of
this
moment
of
attorney
to
Parkland
and
turned
it
all
into
the
park
and
and
give
it
away.
A
A
Having
space
for
future
Municipal
abuse,
whatever
that
use,
may
be
and
not
encumbering
that
space
gives
the
city
resiliency
over
the
next
hundred
years,
that
I'm
also
reluctant
to
give
up
because
I
think
as
we
continue
to
build
and
continue
to
grow
with
that
less
space.
To
do
these
types
of
things,
such
as
the
vegetable
site,.
A
Thank
you.
You
know
I
think
you
know
just
further
further.
You
know,
echoing
a
lot
of
points.
I've
heard
recently
like
looking
at
these
maps
and
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way
from
an
Optics
and
presentation
stands
to
like
practically
speaking,
what's
feasible,
with
our
limited
resources
and
passing
and
and
again,
I
think
to
a
point
in
Cindy,
an
induction
vote
brought
up
about
sort
of
the
different
color
zones
and
whatnot.
A
It's
it's
a
challenge
because
there's
a
lot
because
it
it
increases
the
difficulty
of
us
as
city
as
a
city
to
articulate
what
is
considered
what
what
is
allowed
for
folks
to
be
in
what
is
kind
of
not
really
allowed.
What
is
not,
and
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
that
could
change
rather
quickly.
A
Regarding
the
confusion
around
having
a
three-tiered,
colored,
Zone
and
whatnot,
especially
because
situations
regarding
the
Anderson,
the
very
very
murky
and
I,
think
focusing
on
again
voluntary,
incentivization
and
and
and
and
and
and
focus
on
the
sites
where
we
do
know
about
the
internet
is
going
to
be
really
important.
Going
forward
with
this
articulation
articulating
our
policy
and
trying
to
encourage
folks
to
leave
areas
that
we
either
like
that,
we
have
varying
levels
of
comfort
with
them
being
on
a
personal
or
Community
safety,
sort
of
stance,
foreign.
A
But
I
think
your
point
about
the
possible
uses.
Look
like
at
least
on
the.
What
would
that
be
the
Northern
end
of
it?
It
was
sort
of
like
Parcels
that
are
kind
of
identified
as
potential
sites
for
yeah.
It
was
actually
I.
C
A
Proposed
many
years
ago,
but
then
the
site
feasibility
didn't
work
for
the
particular
project,
because,
but
that
is
our
last
place
for
certain
types
of
businesses
in
the
city.
A
A
A
That
that
area
of
Cherry
Street
is
actually
not
the
zone
or
residential
use,
and
the
reason
being
is
that
space
between
the
green
zone
and
the
end
of
Cherry
Street
is
actually
the
Ithaca
Rail
Yard
storage
side.
So
if
you
have
any
reason
to
go
back,
there
I
think
there's
about
I'm
going
to
estimate
about
270
rail
cars
there,
and
so
they
moved
all
the
cars
up
from
Pennsylvania.
They
store
them
on
the
site.
A
There
are
three
engines
there,
so
in
terms
of
noise
and
real
I
could
leave
I
I
have
residents
at
Nate's,
who
have
my
number
on
the
seat
down?
Don't
hesitate
to
give
me
a
call
when
things
go
on
at
the
rail
yard
and
so
I'm
strongly.
We
would
avoid
better
in
permanent
housing
at
the
end
of
Cherry
Street,
because
of
that.
A
Are
we
really
oh?
Are
we
so
my
question
is
that
City
owned
right
which
which
one.
C
A
A
C
C
A
Make
a
yellow
zone
like
here's
a
place
that
we
can
fix
up
his
his
area
on
by
the
city
that
can
be
used
to
you
know,
because
you
got
that
place
where
you'd
be
washing
and
taking
a
shower
blah
blah
blah,
and
then
you
use
this
area
where
people
may
not
have
nowhere
to
sleep
that
you
say
I
work
for
the
hostel
project
years
ago,
and
there
was
a
place
where
people
can
stay
up
to
10
days
anyway.
A
C
C
E
A
Yeah,
lastly,
that
I
miss
you
at
that
point
really
reminds
me
of
you
know
things
I'm
thinking
about
as
well
as
like.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
challenges
on
like
what
do
we
want
as
a
viable
spot
for
housing
for
both
places
where
we
want
folks
to
be
given
that
we
have
a
limited
development
or
building
space,
and
you
know
areas
that
might
be
considered
desirable
and
I
think
we
have
to
start
thinking
on
like
the
same
levels
of
environmental
justice
on
Public
Safety.
A
Or
what,
like
you
know,
all
these
things
you
have
to
be
thinking
about
are
limited
housing
stock
as
the
primary
contributor
to
the
issue
of
homelessness
that
we're
dealing
with
here
and
I.
Think
we
have
to
hold
that
in
strong
inspiration,
along
with
other
issues.
That
might
be
that
might
give
us
a
pause
on
attracting
different
projects
to
address
our
limited
housing
stock
issues.
And
it's
you
know:
I
grew
up
in
New,
York
City
and
many
folks
will
tell
you
there
that
you
know
nobody
likes
living
in.
A
You
know
in
front
of
a
lot
of
hot
Gardens
during
the
summer
or
right,
or
you
know,
Staten
Island
being
a
dump
or
before
it
was.
You
know,
visually
turned
into
a
borough
of
New
York
City.
These
are
difficult
things
we
have
to
address
with,
but
that
and
and
we
want
the
best
quality
of
life
for
all
of
our
neighbors
and
residents
here.
A
But
the
issue
of
housing,
availability
and
housing
stock
I
think
needs
to
be
on
that
same
level
of
concern
when
we're
talking
about
the
long-term
solutions
to
these
issues
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
there's
a
silver
bullet,
let's
just
build
everywhere
and
also
and
all
that
type
of
thinking.
But
it's
something
that
we
have
to
consider
alongside
those
is
like
a
primary
concern
from
trying
to
deal
with
issue
loans.
Sure.
A
Yeah
all
good
movies,
I,
I,
agree
and
I.
Think
Cynthia
makes
a
good
point
that
you
know
we
in
looking
at
resulting
the
entire
Waterfront,
very
purpose
of
that
fat
space
as
a
space
that
would
not
allow
residential
development
and
and
I
think
it's
also
something
we'd
love
to
see
be
re
purposed
in
some
kind
of
light,
Industrial
Way,
because
it's
one
of
the
last
Parcels
in
the
city
that
would
be
exclusively
for
that
kind
of
use
and
up
to
Jorge's
good
points.
A
You
know:
that's
not
the
best
place
for
an
even
temporary
kind
of
thing.
As
a
result,
I
think,
but
I
love,
the
creativity
and
I
think
that's
so
bad
for
kind
of
thinking.
We
need
to
continue
to
look
at
other
spaces,
so
yeah.
This
is
the
Dilemma
right,
so
I
think
yeah
and
then
maybe
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
points.
A
So
when
we
look
at
the
Narrow
Street
corridor,
you
can
be,
you
know,
I
know
that.
Obviously
I've
always
said
that
this
is
the
commercial
center
of
the
city.
This
is
where
all
of
our
tax
revenue
comes
from
really
use.
This
thing
excitement
right
here,
but
if
and
when
there
is
ever
a
new
development
in
terms
of
I'm
doing
store,
can
we
require
there
also
to
be
housing?
When
you
have
space,
the
air
savings
account
I've
seen
it
done
in
other
urban
areas,
where
the
malls
actually
have
housing
incorporated
into
it.
A
You
know
they
would
provide
access
to
services,
to
transportation,
to
food
dining
everything
else,
but
you
know,
as
we
talk
about
multi-use,
how
can
we
sort
of
shoot
horn
into
any
Redevelopment
concept
kind
of
in
the
Meadow
Street
session?
To
say
we
need
to
put
on
some
here.
That
is
our
Dream
think.
D
A
A
B
A
You
know
one
thing
I
think
about
Meadow
Street
is
that
we
zoned
it
the
market
took
over
and
we
got
exactly
what
we
said
exactly
so
we
haven't
done.
Maybe
we
could
get
something
else
if
we
put
that
same
amount
of
effort
and
focus
on
to
you
know
re-transforming,
that
into
commercial
and
House
part
of
an
excuse,
but.
C
A
A
It's
a
great
suggestion,
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
capacity
to
Redevelopment
yeah
that
was
20
years
ago,
and
now
people
don't
know
that
was
retail
and
they
would
make
more
money
in
income
from
rental
compared
to
retail
I'm
surprised
at
times
when
I
go
in
stores,
I
can't
believe
the
number
of
people
in
there.
What
used
to
be
you
know,
people
loved
shopping,
and
now
he
likes
sitting
on
a
phone
shop.
A
A
We
got
what
we
wanted
with
zoning,
so
maybe
we
should
be
rethinking
what
that
zoning,
how
that
zoning
might
be
defined
today
if
you've
been
sent
a
difference,
concept
and
I
know,
there's
been
some
conversations
like
mostly
outside
of
the
city,
but
you
know
where
the
mall
is
up
in
Lansing
was
thought
to
be
developed
into
that
kind
of
mixed
use
and
and
the
the
Cornell
only
parcel
on
East
Hill
in
the
town
of
Ithaca
has
has
had
a
few
ideas,
pitched
for
how
that
could
become
a
mixed-use,
commercial
and
residential.
A
Okay,
so
let's
move
on
to
the
other
discussion
points,
because
you
know
well
good,
so
there's
two
more
discussion,
points
and
I
feel
like
I
mean
I
feel
like
we
discussed
the
one
on
the
left
and
I'm,
not
sure
we
came
to
a
conclusion
or,
and
then
the
other
one
is
just.
Should
this
be
circulated?
Should
we
make
changes
before
we
circulate
this,
or
should
this
be
circulated
as
is
and
changes
that
get
made
are
based
on
the
comments
that
we
get.
C
C
A
A
C
A
Out
the
the
parts
of
that
protocol,
whether
it's
defined
by
the
six
steps
that
it
currently
has
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
exactly
as
we
get
more
input,
but
but
there
needs
to
be
a
sort
of
a
place
to
progress
it,
as
you
might
say,
and
then
the
other
is
do
we
need
to
do
more
about
defining.
A
Who
does
that
and
I
thought
I
heard
some
really
important
points
tonight
about
things
like
those
people,
if
they're
enforcing
City
policy,
that
should
they
be
working
for
the
city
or
not,
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point
and
then
whether
or
not
someone
who,
when
we
say
police-
and
we
have
that
vision
of
what
police
look
like
right
now,
are
they
the
right
people
to
be
involved
in
those
last
stages
or
progressions
of
the
protocol?
A
F
A
Actually
reminds
me
that
you
know
under
reimagining
of
the
safety
we
have
a
team
of
peer
and
we
don't
help
in
case
orders
right,
but
a
whole
response
team
to
go
along
with
law
enforcement
as
necessary.
Starting
in
the
beginning-
and
you
know,
through
a
pilot
program,
to
determine
when
law
enforcement
would
be
necessary
when
they
could
act
on
their
own,
but
either
quarterly
responsibility
and
improving
and
recalled,
as
far
as
was
to
to
make
sure
that
people
were
connected
with
Services.
C
A
And
to
be
sort
of
that
that
one
handout
that
would
follow
up
and
make
sure
that
that
individuals
are
getting
assistance
that
they
needed
in
order
to
reduce
their
interaction
with
law
enforcement,
and
so
perhaps
that
that's
already
includes
those
positions
that
we
envision.
Although
it
still
comes
under
that
Public
Safety
component,
maybe
not
it's
a
lot.
It
may
not
law
enforcement
per
se,
but
it's
a
kind
of
saving
response.
A
F
I
was
gonna,
make
it
exactly
that
point.
We've
already
decided
as
the
council
that
we're
going
to
phone
that,
but
very
honestly,
the
first
things
and
I
think.
F
F
Those
people
and
that's
who
I
would.
A
To
the
question
on
the
left
is,
is
to
at
least
initially
not
involved
with
police,
have
a
goal
of
passing
this
last
minute
with
the.
C
A
I
I
was,
as
I've,
been
having
conversations
with
different
folks.
I
think
this
is
an
ideal
role
for
other
responders
and
whatnot
I
know
we
have
a
ways
to
go
before
we
can
get
them
operating
on
their
own
and
I
do
agree
with
Doug
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
ideally
I
don't
want
for
them
to
be
the
ones
handling
that
or
until
we
can
get
to
that
point.
A
It
avoid
I
think
we
should
avoid
involvement
with
law
enforcement.
A
And
and
really
highlight
and
focus
on
the
benefits
and
positives
of
moving
to
a
a
sanctioned
encampment
site
and
and
getting
connected
with
services.
And
what
have
you
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
best
way
to
go
again
also
thinking
about
harboring
and
cultivating
that
sense
of
trust
amongst
the
unhoused
population
and
whatnot
I
think
this
is
going
to
go
a
lot
way
and
I.
Remember
the
earlier
point
that
Miss
Phoebe
brought
up
during
this
conversation
regarding
thinking
about
how
tensions
can
Rise
and
and
you.
A
Enforcement
and
and
this.
E
E
We
have
Within
our
country
and
so
I.
A
Think
that
I
really
reduction
that
I
think
handling.
You
know
focusing
on
what
I'm
finding
out
what
we
want
to
land
on
in
terms
of
Enforcement
Administration.
What
have
you,
and
also
that
we,
you
know,
we
don't
involve
law
enforcement,
that's
a
part
of
that
and
we
work
amongst
ourselves
in
the
city
and
with
the
county
to
figure
out
how
to
task.
C
A
Totally
agree
with
everybody
Public
Safety,
and
this
was
actually
pretty
much
made
for
a
match
made.
You
know
that
people
will
be
seeing
people
from
the
community
that
they
pretty
much
know
or
know
of
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
feel
more
safe
than
feeling
like,
not
saying
it's
just
until
because
we're
still
building
community
and
relations
with
our
police
officers,
you
know
and
start
out
they
go
together.
However,
it
works
out,
but
this
I.
A
So
I
will
say
in
terms
of
changes
before
circulation:
I'm
also
not
crazy
about
the
yellow
and
some
so
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
I'm
not
to
consider
whether
or
not
we
should
have
a
yellow
zone
or
what
is
our
approach
to
that?
I
know
that
that's
in
it's
mentioning
that
means
ambivalent.
With
regards
to
these
color-coded
zones,
I'm,
not
a
fan
of
it
myself,
so
I'm
not
sure.
A
Has
been
a
big
issue
and
I'm
and
I'm
very
sympathetic
too,
and
this
is
the
good
aspect
about
bringing
this
this
policy
in
terms
of
discussion,
two
committees
and
hearing
how
other
counselors
are
engaging
with
it.
I
do
think
I'm,
just
focusing
on
the
green
zone.
A
F
Yeah,
that's
I,
think
that's
a
that's
a
point.
I'll
taken.
A
You
said
you
need
more
from
us
if
you
feel
like
you've
got
enough
of
there.
Well,
I
still,
don't
know
if
you
want
this
change
before
circulation
of
just
taking
out
the
last
I
would
just
call
it
for
simplification,
taking
out
the
last
three
steps
or
of
enforcement,
which
is,
if
you
look
at
the
policy,
the
police,
verbal
notice,
the
police,
written
membership,
citation
we
don't
have
on
personal
monitors.
C
A
Right
so
I
mean
there's
obvious:
there
are
many
options
you
could
take.
Those
out
you
could
put
them
in
when
you
know
to
be
go
into
effect
when
those
people
are
hired,
and
that
is
part
of
their
duties.
I
don't
even
know,
but
do
you
do
you
want
to
keep
that
in
for
right
now
for
circulation
to
see
what
people
say
or
do
you
want
to
take
those
thoughts
through
so
just
to
be
clear?
The
last
three
would.
A
A
Combined
those
two
ideas
of
the
person
that
does
that
as
a
police
officer
and
the
progression
is
those
three
things
a
written.
Oh
sorry,
it
was
written
as
a
citation.
Yes,
I
guess
I'm
still
not
clear
if
you
want
to
take
those
out.
If
you
want
to
change
that
or
you
want
it
to
be
circulated
and
can
pull
to
contact.
A
G
Thing
you
know
first
off
I
think
everyone
has
been
working
out.
This
policy
has
been
doing
such
a
great
job,
so
your
work
on
this
book
of
the
year
is
to
fight
for
our
House's.
Population
has
been
really
inspiring,
but
I
do
think
that
we've
been
marketing
this,
like
all
of
us
as
something
that
is
a
short-term
solution
that
can
quickly
tackle
these
problems
and
I.
G
Think
the
best
way
to
get
this
past
as
quickly
as
possible
is
to
take
out
the
the
three
final
steps
at
the
very
least
because
I,
don't
think
they're
strong
enough
as
they
stand
right
now
in
terms.
C
A
So
the
again
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
throwing
away
a
piece
of
the
idea
that
that
the
group
in
particular
thought
was
important,
which
was
a
progression
of
activity
that
would
help
again
the
goal
end
goal
of
getting
someone
to
voluntarily
move
so
and
so
I,
don't
know
if
by
removing
three
steps
and
just
leaving
the
first
degree
that
are
just
three
visits.
Does
that
progress
enough
in
the
intent
that
the
policy
had
so?
A
Is
it
just
removing
the
police
from
this
activity
or
are
there
activities
like
a
written
notice,
for
example,
that
wouldn't
be
involved
in
the
first
three
activities
that
might
make
sense?
I
did
want
to
say
too
that
I
think
the
policy
says
that
in
some
cases
the
police
may
make
some
of
these
first
visits
just
because
they're
the
staff
that
is
the
most,
for
whatever
reason
the
people
that
are
available
or
willing
or
able
to
do
it.
A
So
it
doesn't
necessarily
say
that
doesn't
Define
who
the
city
staff
would
be
necessarily
so
I,
don't
think
that's
the
ideal,
but
that
is
also
in
the
policy
Center.
G
You
have
to
remember
that
it
often
takes
more
than
three
tries
if
somebody
is
intent
on
staying
in
the
encampment
Zone
and
and
that
oftentimes
it
takes
persistence,
and
that
is
you
know,
through
through
good
social
work
and
things
that
I
think
we
can
work
on
as
we
as
we
move
forward
and
implement
this
policy.
But
I
do
think
that,
at
the
very
least,
cutting
it
off
with
three
doesn't
reflect
the
the
experiences
of
houseless
people,
as
well
as
the
the
opinions
of
experts.
A
A
The
meet
the
discussion
you're
having
right
now
and
the
discussion
working
group
has
had
approximately
17
times
back,
so
we're
all
living
it
again
together.
If
you
pull
the
policy
art
but
I,
think
I've,
given
our
Internet
situation
here
that
may
take
I'm
sure
we
may
have
done
the
disservice
by
the
way
that
we
tried
to
simplify
it
by
putting
it
in
the
slide.
Yes
and
I.
A
Think
that
the
point
that
Rob
just
made
the
community
outreach
workers
and
the
support
service
people
any
other
like
DSS
and
some
of
these
other
people
that
we
we
went
through
like
verbal
gymnastics
to
not
use
the
word
enforcement
in
this
diplomacy
and
then
when
we
shared
it
around,
everybody
was
like
well,
if
you
don't
put
the
word
enforcement
and
then
why
are
you
even
bothering
writing
policies
with
the
groups
or
have
been
asking
for
us
asking
from
the
city
was
very
clear
clarification
and
what
you
can
do
where
and
they
themselves
said
that
you
have
to
use
some
some
sort
of
enforcement
like
back.
A
But
it
wasn't
clear:
it
was
confusing
and
quantically
some
of
the
community
outreach
workers
were
the
ones
that
suggested
that
we
need
to
somehow
have
a
relationship
with
police,
because
there
are
instances
when.
C
A
Are
not
comfortable
doing
this,
it's
like
how
do
we,
how
do
we
create
an
environment
where
we're
also
supporting
the
people
who
are
asking
to
do
this
work?
So
basically,
so
we
made
a
lot
of
the
features
that
were
suggested
here
in
this
evening.
C
D
A
More
detail
what
the
intent
was
around
this
concept
of
enforcement
with
escalating
levels-
maybe
all
we
need
is
to
take
a
look
at
d
and
e
and
see
if
someone
else
could
deliver
those
things
instead
of
police.
Like
is
a
verbal.
You
know
some
sort
of
formal
verbal
notice,
not
police,
but
someone
else
of
some
sort
of
authority
and
then
the
written
notice.
A
It
was
actually
the
officers
who
work
very
closely
with
this
population,
some
of
whom,
actually,
on
their
own
time,
voluntarily
walk
through
this
area
and
give
out
water
and
ask
how
people
are
doing
enabling
relationships
with
people
who
are
living
in
the
area
they
themselves
said.
What
can
we
do?
That
would
also
help
give
information
and
guidance
and
connect
to
support
services,
so
their
suggestion
of
a
written
notice
was.
A
Could
it
be
a
document
that
has
information
and
phone
numbers
and
Buddha
context
like
when
they're,
giving
a
written
notice
they're,
also
handing
out
something
that
has
information
on
who
to
talk
to
or
how
to
get
connected
or
how
to
get
assistance
about
it?
Or
something
like
that?
So
maybe
we
just
need
to
look
at
d
and
e
and.
A
Just
not
have
it
be
police,
but
have
it
be
something
I
also
think
that
a
lot
of
what
everyone
is
asking
for
today,
we
do
not
have
all
of
the
pieces
in
place.
Yeah
so
I
think
there's
a
absolutely
a
place
for
whatever
the
honorary
response
ends
up
looking
like
to
be
used
here,
but
they're
saying
they
don't
exist
yet
so
we've
also
heard
urgency
from
people
like.
If
this
you
know,
why
is
it
taking
so
long?
A
Why
you
know
why
hasn't
happened,
so
we
can't
put
something
in
place
that
we
don't
have
any
hope
of
being
able
to
do,
and
that's
part
of
the
the
problem
that
we're
dealing
with.
So
maybe,
if
we
have
it
look
escalating,
but
we
use
every
other
mental
and
every
other
person
and
every
other
human
and
compassionate
way
that
we
can
in
order
to
help
somebody
relocate,
as
you
heard,
the
story
of
basically
DPW
doing
that
when
we
had
to
move
people
off
and
continue
ordering.
A
So
that
did
not
shine
through
any
presentation.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
looking
at
the
complete
list
of
what
we
meant
by
escalation,
and
enforcement
and
I
completely
understand
the
sensitivity
to
police
and
enforcement
and
agree
that
may
mean
that
doesn't
maybe
D
and
E
do
not
happen.
A
Sorry
I
spoke
a
lot
I
remember
my
favorite
thing.
So
the
third
thing
was
that
there
are
situations
where
the
police
have
to
respond
anyway
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
that
it's
helpful
to
call
those
out
and
again
call
attention
to
them.
I'm
also
curious,
who,
like
Richmond,
stakeholders,
specifically,
were
consistent
that
enforce
them.
A
Literally,
every
person
that
we
talked
every
other
group
outside
of
the
city
said
you
have
to
make
it
clear,
and
there
has
to
I
mean
that
was
the
entire
County
group
that
we've
been
like
people
that
work
it,
but
even
it
was
like
DFS
and
all
of
the
public,
any
public
safety
responder,
because
they
want
to
unders.
They
want
to
be
able
to
help
people
understand
what
we're
saying
is
allowed
and
what's
not
allowed,
and
what
the
consistent
messaging
was
is
that
what
we're
doing
now
is
essentially
just
looking
the
other
way.
A
Is
saying-
and
we
know
it's
not
allowed,
but
we're
just
kind
of
turning
the
other
way
and
seeing
what
happens
and
that
hasn't
been
working
for
everyone
and
I
think
the
re,
the
rationale
to
focus
it
on
Land
Management
policy
was
being
speak.
That
would
help
us
articulate
different
kinds
of
uses
for
city
property.
A
F
A
Is
to
leave
that
off
as
well,
however,
we
can't
agree,
and
when
you
propose
the
D
it
is,
you
know
it's
always
all
right.
We
also
had
a
discussion
about
whether
or
not
a
citation
would
even
be
meaningful,
so
I
I,
don't
think
anyone
on
the
working
group
would
fight
very
hard
or
exactly
what
is
written
here.
A
You
know
I
kept
hearing
this
piece
about
people
you
kept
using
these
examples
of
who
has
told
you
all
we
need
to
use
enforce.
We
need
to
use
it.
There
are
words
like
manage.
There's
words
like
code
work
together.
There's
words
like
Co-op,
cooperatively,
there's
many
words
and
the
names
that
you
use.
The
DSs
and
social
workers
are
different
are
all
from
symptoms
that
have
abused
in
the
past
right.
A
So
to
use
those
examples
set
off
something
in
me
that
is
very
uncomfortable
that
you
have
people
sitting
down
saying
what
happens
when
these
words
are
used.
There
are
many
words
to
to
say
pretty
much
that
we
need
to
tell
people
right
and
it's
not
that
it
hasn't
been
enforced
or
it
hasn't
been.
People
has
turned
to
Blind
Eye
to
it.
A
There
all
this
is
very,
very,
very
important
and
I
might
not
even
be
using
a
couple
language
and
stuff
like
that
myself,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
we're
trying
to
be
like
making
sure
so
I
mean
what
I'm
saying
is
nobody
mentioned
specifically,
but
when
you
said
dear
says,
when
you
said
the
police
officers,
when
you
said
certain
areas
about
who
decided
that
enforcement
and
other
things
is
needed,
it,
it
says.
Okay,
where
were
the
people
who
will
be
who
are
lived
experienced?
Did
any
of
them?
A
A
G
Guess
I
just
want
to
ask
again
for
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
stakeholders
who
were
berries
is
another
word
endorsements.
A
So
we
can
I'm
gonna,
try
and
be
more.
In
particular,
I
was
trying
to
say
things
quickly,
so
I
think
everyone
would
be
uncomfortable
would
be
comfortable
if
we
found
some
other
word
other
than
endorsement.
I
I
think
that
that
would
be
fine.
We
were
challenged
to
figure
out
how
to
learn
this
in
a
way
that
was
very
hard
to
write
a
city
policy
with
a
language
that
is
required
for
a
policy
but
then
adds
a
new
little
pieces
in.
A
You
know
we
also
struggled
with
you
know
if
we
were
to
label
the
all
the
red
zones
in
the
city,
including
parks,
and
all
of
these
other
places
like
that.
It
was
just
like
this.
Just
looked
like
a
big
giant
blob
of
red
right.
What
we're
really
trying
to
address
is
what
the
language
in
the
beginning
of
the
policy
says,
which
is
where
we
have
kind
of
use,
conflicts
right,
because
again,
this
is
a
land
man
policy,
it's
unfortunately
not
a
a
compassionate
human
policy
and
we're
trying
to
interlace
those
those
two
things
here.
A
So
it's
not
that
I
mean
I
can't
go
through
a
laundry
list.
If
this
person
said
that-
or
this
person
said
that
the
sense
of
what
we
heard
was,
if
you're
not
clear,
very
clear
about
what
the
city
wants
and
doesn't
want,
then
no
one
will
be
able
to
help
you
or
support
you.
No
one
will
be
able
to
work
with
this
population
to
connect
them
to
the
services
that
they
need
or
unclear
about
what
people
are
allowed
to
do.
I
was
much.
D
G
I
guess,
ultimately
again,
my
biggest
issue
is
not
with
the
word
endorsement,
whether
it's
enforcement
or
a
word
that
would
materially
mean
the
same
thing.
I
just
again
want
to
Echo.
That
I
would
like
to
see
this
circulated
with
the
D,
E
and
F
removed.
G
I
I
think
that
the
purpose
of
this
you
know
could
the
purpose
of
this
bill
would
be
contradicted
by
potentially
escalating
situation
by
sending
police
officers
in.
But
that
being
said,
maybe
I'm
worried
my
question.
A
little
wrongy
I
just
wanted
to
know
because
I
feel
like
there
is
there
has
been
constantly
like,
rather
than
citing.
G
You
know,
agencies
or
groups
or
what
they
were
saying
specifically
in
claiming
that,
oh
everybody
says
you
know
we
needed
to
use
word
enforcement.
I
I
would
like
to
believe
you
that
it's
important
to
use
that
word
I
just
want
to
know
more
specifically,
who
is
saying
it
because
I
feel
like
right.
Now,
it's
a
very
big
ever
everybody
and
and
a
reinstatement
of
what
the
bill
is
saying,
which
you
know
we've
been
doing
a
great
job
saying
I
just
want
to
be
I
just
want
to
clarify.
A
That's
not
that
does
not
I
mean
we
can
that
those
materials
I'm
not
sure
it
would
say
anything
differently,
but
there's
no
reason
to
not
share
that
information
with
everybody
as
well
as
kind
of
what
we
used
as
the
to
tease
out
themes
that
we
knew
we
needed
to
address
in
the
policy.
So
that's
easy
to
share.
If
you
want
to
really
drill
down
into
all
the
details
of
that
there's,
that's
not
a
problem
at
all.
B
Yeah
I'll
just
be
briefing
I,
appreciate
the
support
of
comments
from
echoing
a
lot
of
what
you
just
said
regarding.
A
You
know
the
points
of
the
points
of
enforcement
and
whatnot
I.
Don't
want
to
see
the
policy
that
we've
worked
so
hard
on.
You
know,
go
to
waste
and
I
want
to
see
the
board
I
want
to
deliver.
A
You
know
all
those
concerns
regarding
whatnot,
so
I
do
the
thing
based
off
of
what
we've
been
hearing
from
those
folks
in
the
committee,
maybe
replacing
it
with
something
clear
about
like
City
staff
and
whatnot,
and
and
maybe
we
have
to
work
that
out
more
and
and
further
conversations
but
I
think
that's
the
big
pen
that
that's
what
we
put
like
culture
stock
on
I
think
we're
moving
it
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
it.
It
makes
the
most
sense.
A
So,
in
my
you
know,
in
my
experience
and
I'm
thinking
what
another
dealing
with
you
know,
Outreach
workers
or
are
orange
Rangers
right.
We
had
individuals
who
are
out
in
community
they're
there
or
Support
Services
Educational
Services,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
it
is
good
to
have
a
good,
clear
delineation
of
what
the
relationship
is.
I
think,
especially
as
an
Outreach
worker.
We
want
to
build
trust.
A
We
want
to
build,
supporting
and
have
a
clear
line
of
what
your
job
is
as
an
outreacher,
not
in
an
enforcer
right,
and
so
maybe
what's
missing
in
this
is
sort
of
what
we
touched
upon
earlier
is
that
it's
a
co-response
as
needed,
ideally
we're
to
rely
on
on
emphasizing
the
relationship
and
support
not
along
the
person
inside,
but
recognizing
that
you
do
sometimes
need
somebody
with
the
authority.
A
But
it's
that
person
I'm
here
talking
with
you
and
this
person
is
here
because
I
recognize
that
they
may
need
to
issue
a
warning
or
a
citation
but
I'm
going
to
work
with
you
to
try
to
avoid
that.
But
here's
this
person
here
with
this
job.
It's
not
me
as
the
Outreach
worker
as
the
the
person
interacting
and
wants
to
build
that
relationship.
So
having
that
clear
difference
of
role
and
responsibility,
but
recognizing
that
there
is
still
a
role,
I
mean
that's
in
you
remember.
A
You
know
years
ago,
Outreach
workers
coming
in
Mass
to
council
saying
the
importance
of
law
enforcement
that
enabled
Outreach
workers
to
do
their
work
and
it
was
from
every
Department
recognizing
their
role
and
their
value
and
their
expertise,
not
necessarily
being
the
first
person
or
the
main
person
interacting,
although
they
sometimes
were,
but
to
be
there
as
part
of
the
process,
and
so
maybe
highlighting
that
these
are
team
efforts
that
we
don't
want
to
confuse
the
role
of
an
Outreach
record
to
the
enforcement.
A
You
know
again:
I'll
use
a
different
scenario,
but
a
very
similar
one.
We
used
to
have
orange
Rangers
that
would
be
out
in
six
millimeter
a
lot
of
activities.
We
would
have
activities
parties
lots
of
people.
A
Many
people
did
not
want
to
stop
doing
what
they
were
doing
and
we
had
Outreach,
or
we
had
Gorge
Rangers,
who
had
no
law
enforcement
ability
or
responsibility
and
and
frankly
put
themselves
in
Danger
trying
to
keep
people
safe
and
guide
them
to
more
appropriate
behavior,
and
it
was
just
without
law
enforcement.
There
we
couldn't
ask
them
to
intervene,
we
couldn't
it
wasn't
safe
for
us
to
ask
them
to
take
that
responsibility
and
we
had
to
have
a
clear
delineation.
A
It's
not
your
responsibility
to
make
people
do
the
right
thing:
it's
law,
enforcement's
responsibility,
and
we
did
need
to
use
law
enforcement
to
come
in
and
change
the
behavior
because
it
was
becoming
very
unsafe
it,
and
this
is
a
natural
area.
There
was
Devastation
and
you
know
all
of
these
other
things
that
were
going
on.
A
There
is
a
role
for
a
law
enforcement
and
I,
though
I
think
it
would
be
an
error
to
take
it
out
of
the
policy,
but
I
do
think
providing
more
context
and
how
our
intent
been
utilizing
this
as
a
supportive
as
necessary
mechanism
that
might
be
available,
but
should
be
included
to
not
eliminate
the
very
true
reality
that
there
are
going
to
be
individuals
who
will
not
comply
without
a
long
person
on
individuals,
they're
present,
so
I
think
perhaps
elaborating
on
this
and
expanding
on
it
with
our
intent
would
be
helpful,
but
I
don't
think
it
is
again
I'm.
A
A
I
guess
I
see:
I
have
not
been
to
almost
many
years
ago.
I
see
this
world
in
Rose,
Colored,
Glasses
I
really
don't
see.
Well
to
be
honestly,
our
presentation
is
always
very
important.
The
way
we
present
this
will
be
the
most
important,
and
so
you
know
I
hear
everybody's
input
and
I.
C
C
A
And
how
we
do
it
and
what
we're
doing,
of
course,
is
very
important
presentation
would
be
very
important
and
who's
presenting,
also
very
important
and
how
to
present
it.
So
for
me,
I,
I,
just
and
sometimes
I
need
to
step
back
and
not
put
my
personal.
What
would
work
for
me
and
you
know,
because
I'm
I'm,
just
looking
at
yeah
yeah,
that's
it
presentation.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
and
like
there
might
be
an
opportunity.
But
let
me
let
me
just
we
just
try
to
summarize
some
things
and
get
us
to
a
point
of
maybe
moving
forward
right.
So
so
one
of
those
things
is
for
me:
it
wasn't
as
clear
in
the
policy
about
the
way
we
might
utilize.
A
But
we
might
go
further
to
suggest
that
there's
a
hierarchy
right
that
these
are
the
people
we
expect
first
and
then
maybe
down
that
chain.
So
to
speak
or
along
a
certain
Continuum.
It
might
be
police,
and
that
might
be
because
there's
a
role
that
they
have
to
play
as
law
enforcement
that
they
have
to
go
into
these
situations.
A
Maybe
it's
going
to
help
with
with
someone
who's,
not
a
an
officer
but
I
think
that
will
maybe
make
it
a
little
clearer
so
that
when
we-
and
this
is
where
I'm
trying
to
move
us
forward
when
we
go
to
circulate
this
for
input
that
we
will
be
more
true
to
what
our
resources
that
we
have
available
are
and
that
we
and
it
may
be,
there
may
be
a
DPW
worker
that
plays
that
role.
It
may
be
a
you
know.
A
So
I
don't
want
to
pretend
that's
not
the
case,
so
I
think
we
should
be
truthful
in
that
regard,
but
also
try
to
get
people
to
give
us
feedback
about
this,
with
an
understanding
of
what
our
our
intent
is
that
it's
not
saying
police
in
the
first
level
of
response
when
we're
just
giving
someone
a
visit
to
in
a
verbal
notice
to
say
this
is
not
you
know,
maybe
if
I
could
be
over
there
right
so
so
then
I
want
to
talk
about
that
next
thing,
which
is
how
we,
how
and
whether
we
move
this
forward
for
circulation
and
and
the
weather
we've
been
sort
of
talking
about,
but
the
how
I
want
to
understand.
A
Based
on
on
what
the
process
is,
you
know,
how
are
we
moving
forward?
Can
we
move
it
forward
in
a
way
where
the
draft
might
be
a
little
fluid
right
so
that
we
can
invite
that
input
or
do
we
need
it
to
be
more
solid
so
that
it
could
be
adopted
as
is,
and
so
I
want
us
to
get
to
that
pretty
soon,
because
that's
where
we're
going
next
and
then
when
we
do,
that,
I
want
to
talk
about
a
timeline.
But
I'll
say
that
yeah.
F
To
summarize
it
pretty
well
and
I
I
wanted
to
also
thank
Cynthia
for
the
example
of
the
going
to
Rangers,
and
you
know
there
does
need
to
be
some
sort
of
conclusion
or
some
action.
So
when
we
start
progressing
down
a
you
know,
trying
to
get
people
to
move
there
needs
to
be.
There
needs
to
be
a
connection
at
the
end,
otherwise
the
time
is
usually
wasted.
F
You
know
people
will
go
out
and
first
time
second
time,
the
third
time
and
then
do
they
just
throw
their
hands
and
I'm
not
saying
it
needs
to
be
policed,
but
there
does
need
to
be
some
sort
of
action
right
now.
You
know,
as
it
simply
described
it's
it's
not
necessarily
for
policing
action,
but
just
some
sort
of
authority.
At
the
end
of
the
line
that
says
look,
we've
asked
multiple
times
nicely.
F
There
needs
to
be
an
action,
and
you
know:
we've
even
typed
in
the
group
that
you
know,
maybe
that
action
is
more
intense
work
from
social
workers,
but
you
know
there
does
need
to
be
some
sort
of
inclusion
to
it
and
the
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
was
on
the
I
know.
There's
been
some
talk
about
the
red
zones,
the
green
zones
and
things
like
that
I
think
part
of
the
thought
of
having
the
Amber
zone
right
now
is
we.
We
do
need
to
see
how
this
works
right.
F
Now
we
have
one
red
zone
and
we're
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
figure
that
small
little
space
out.
We
had
one
camper
there
we
went
out
and
talked
to
them
and
they
moved
they
replied
within
24
hours.
We
have
another
campsite
out
there,
the
person's
never
there.
What
do
we
do?
We've
gone
out
multiple
times
to
try
to
talk
to
this
person
and
what
we're
afraid
of
is
when
some
people
see
a
tent
out
there,
that's
not
being
moved.
F
Other
people
will
start
thinking
it's
okay
to
Camp
here,
and
so
we
do
kind
of
want
to.
You
know,
keep
the
red
zones
red,
but
we
we
still
don't
even
have
that
one
small
red
zone
figured
out
right
now
and
I
I
think
the
idea
behind
that
the
camera
zones
is
that
those
could
become
red
zones
next
year
or
the
year
after,
but
I
would
just
kind
of
asking
about
putting
too
many
red
zones
in
right
now,
because
we're
just
having
we're
just
having
trouble
with
that
one
time,
you're
at
zone
right
now.
A
One
last
question:
so
over
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
y'all
have
not
been
enforced
this
right
and
what
I
was
thinking
it
hasn't
been
enforced
for
work
for
as
long
as
we
all
can
remember
and
I'm
I'm
just
like
what
is
this
great
push
now
right?
Is
it
because
of
the
homeless
right
and-
and
maybe
that
should
have
been
a
question
I
should
have
asked
a
while
ago,
but
I
really
know
why?
What
what
I'm
just
saying?
A
And
we
think
it's
dangerous
now
I
said
listen
to
some
history.
This
is
a
piece
of
cake.
No
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
that
one,
but
if
you
know
the
history
of
the
camping
sites
that
has
been
throughout
the
history
of
Ithaca,
it's
always
been
anyway.
Okay,
that's
another
thing,
but
thanks
for
giving
me
the
update
that
it's
gotten
worse
over
the
last
few
years,
thanks.
A
A
Circulation
means
there
will
be
opportunity
for
other
staff
to
provide
input
and
that's
what
circulation
can
provide
for
the
committee
and
for
Council
as
a
home.
I
also
want
to
say
that
we
are
building
out
step
in
capacity,
and
a
number
of
you
have
referred
to
this,
so
the
co-respondence,
the
unarmed
workers,
the
community
outreach
workers
who
would
be
more
specifically
City
staff.
That
is
something
that
is
being
discussed
and
has
been
mentioned.
The
homeless,
Outreach
coordinating
that
position
is
to
go
ahead.
C
A
A
There
are
a
number
of
housing
developments
in
process
in
development
at
the
moment
that
doesn't
solve
our
problem
or
the
issue
and
the
challenge
today.
It
is
something
that
will
be
coming
down
and
I
fully
agree
that
we
need
more,
but
we
don't
have
a
reading
and,
as
others
have
said,
there
is
an
urgency
part
of
that
urgency.
Phoebe
New
York
point
is
that
there
has
been
a
growth
in
encampments.
A
There's
concern
about
safety,
there's
concern
about
health
and
well-being
of
the
community
as
a
whole,
those
who
are
camping
and
those
who
are
in
other
capacities.
So
there
is
some
urgency
and
I
would
really
appreciate
this
being
circulated.
So
the
committee
and
the
account
Council
as
a
whole
media.
A
Thank
you
so
I
want
to
bring
us
back
to
the
circulation
the
idea
and
how
so
I
I
assume
that
there
will
be
things
that,
as
we
collect
information
from
people
who
are
reviewing
this,
that
it
will
allow
us
to
bring
back
ideas
that
can
reshape
elements
of
the
pilot
policy
like
one,
for
example,
is
the
mayor
just
mentioned?
This
is
a
one-year
policy
because
I
don't
think
it
says
that
anywhere
in
this,
because
Say
it'll
be
reviewed
periodically
doesn't
say
how
exactly
doesn't
say
I'm
a
time
one.
A
A
Of
the
way
who
who
might
be
responsible
for
those,
maybe
not
limiting
it
to
a
specific
number
so
a
way
to
keep
it
flexible
and
fluid
enough
to
invite
input
around.
That
is
that
is
that
possible
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
possible.
It's
possible!
Certainly,
I,
don't
know
what
how
people
feel
about
taking
the
responsibility
to
come
up
with
a
new
draft,
without
it
being
approved
by
this
community,
could
be
approved
for
circulation
based
yeah.
F
I
think
D
and
F
d,
e
and
f
of
the
enforcement
policy,
and
that's
that's
what
we've
been
wrestling
over
for
months
and
months,
and
so,
if
we're
going
to
get
rid
of
those,
what
does
that
replace
line
and
I
mean
we
could
spend
the
next
several
months,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
replace
CED
in
that.
C
A
Mean
I
I
thought
part
of
our
conversation
tonight
was
perhaps
to
extract
from
at
least
the
enf
extract
from
the
specific
identification
of
police
right,
but
somehow
write
somewhere
else.
That
City
staff,
which
might
include
a
variety
of
different
types
of
Staff,
might
play
the
role
of
doing
those
activities
and
I.
C
A
Think
I
think
expanding
on
denf
and
how
those
the
roles
law
enforcement
in
the
conjunction
with
every
staff
as
a
secondary
and
ciliary
role,
but
retaining
the
enforcement
goal.
I
really
caution
again
in
putting
in
enforcement
role
on
another
class
of
of
employee
right
in
terms
of
like
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
fire
dvw
building,
you
know
if
they
they
have
a.
A
That
obviously
has
a
value
to
us
and
we
don't
want
to
inadvertently
dissolve
that
Clarity
by
commingling
that
job
with
an
enforcement
goal
so
and
again,
I
think
you
know
Outreach
workers
as
well
like
they
have
support
going
into
situations
with
the
security
and
civilian
with
them
that
they
don't
carry
themselves,
and
you
know
so
I
again,
I
think
that
clarifying
it
having
it
is
a
support
to
another
individual,
but
also
clearly
explicitly
saying
the
role
that
it
has
important
to
thinking.
Because
then
again,
what's
the
point
of
the
policy?
A
A
E
C
A
A
Do
we
ask
for
this
to
go
back
and
be
Rewritten
and
come
back
to
us
to
discuss
that
it's
ready
for
circulation
or
do
we
circulated
and
do
we
need
to
direct?
You
know
pretty
clearly
write
that
now
on
the
floor,
which
could
get
messy
or
do
we
or
do
we
do
you
have
enough
confidence
in
what
the
what
we
gave
you
tonight.
A
A
So
if
there's
a
little
question
mark
about
whether
we're
actually
gonna
be
able
to
hold
the
July
pecan
yeah
nice
good,
quick
question-
and
he
said
this
is
more
protocol
question.
Could
you
do
something
where
you
bracket
that
section
or
highlight
it
and
you
could
say
flag
for
removal
or
something
like
if
the
the
committee
I
don't
know,
I
mean
if
you're
trying
to
get
people
that
are
reading
it?
I
guess
they're,
probably
not
necessarily
watching
this
meeting,
so
they
haven't
seen
the
struggling
with
what
is
going
to
be
so.
A
G
A
A
good
question
I
also
want
to
put
in
the
context
of
let's
say
you
know
we
don't
either
don't
have
a
meeting
in
July
or
we're
not
ready
to
circulate
now,
so
that
feedback
doesn't
come
back
to
us
in
July
we'd
be
looking
at
getting
something
out
not
until
back
to
us
as
a
committee
in
August,
which
means
it
doesn't
go
to
council
at
a
minimum
until
September
and.
A
Really
have
a
whole
other
year
to
deal
with
it,
and
so
so
that
would
be
a
why
and
why-
and
we
put
some
trust
in
this
idea-
that
let's
take
what
we
have
with
some
of
the
changes
that
we
discussed
tonight
and
put
it
out
there
for
circulation
to
get
feedback
and
maybe
highlight
areas
that
we
would
really
welcome
that
feedback
more
than
others
and
then
see
where
we
go
and
maybe
ask
a
smaller
committee
to
receive
that
feedback
in
July.
So
it
can
get
through
the
August
council
meeting.
A
A
A
Yeah
we
could
I
will
say
and
I
don't
know
if
the
rest
of
the
community
agrees
with
this,
given
the
amount,
the
given
the
different
opinions
and
not
oh
consensus
here,
I
do
not
feel
comfortable
rewriting
this
and
sending
it
out
on
behalf
of
planning
committee.
So
but
I
would.
If
we
had.
If
we
could
flag
things
and
say
you
know,
I
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
speak.
You
know,
speaking
I
haven't
gotten
a
clear
enough
idea
about
what
you
wanted
places
to
swim,
how
to
reward
this.
A
So
so
I
think,
there's
so
I
think
we
could
do
what
Deb
was
saying
where
we
flag
things
and
say
this
is
particular
area
that
we
particularly
want
feedback
on
and
I
think
doing
it
graphically
would
be
much
better
than
writing
a
little
memo
that
people
aren't
going
to
read
and
I
think
graphically.
You
know
having
it
right
in
the
policy.
A
This
is
what
we're
these
are
areas
that
we
have
disagreement
about
in
the
term,
particularly
one
comments
on
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
doing
that
if
you
want
to
circulate
it
next,
otherwise
I
would
want
a
committee
to
look
at
it
again.
We
can
try
to
incorporate
what
you
said,
but
I
would
watch
it
a
little
bit
of
advances.
A
Problem
and
then
I
think
that
there's
other
areas
of
the
policy
with
the
police
are
referenced.
So
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody's
aware
of
those
areas,
in
fact
in
C
the
police.
So
so,
if
you
would
change
that,
it's
a
lot
of
little
changes
which
are
fun
but
I,
just
think
if
we
want
to
circulate
it.
Those
are
the
two
options.
A
A
Well,
that's
that's
a
good
question.
I
mean
we
have
a
standard
circulation
in
which
we
send
it
to
All
City
staff,
any
interested
parties
to
the,
but
we
can
expand
that
if
you,
if
that
is,
you
know,
that
is
your
guidance.
We
can
certainly
expand
it
to
people
that
don't
normally
circulate,
but
of
course
anybody
on
a
list
that
we
have
talked
to.
Why
include
in
that
sort
of
definition,
so
anybody
involved
good
morning.
A
Then
we
did
ask
some
of
the
Lincoln
community
outreach
workers
who
have
relationships
with
this
population
that
also
get
to
also
get
feedback,
so
that
could
be
something
we
specifically
ask
to.
Is
that
I
can
hear
what
you're
saying
that
the
people
with
lived
experience
would
would
be
helpful
in
helping
us
get
get
this
right
here
for
sure,
and
so
we
did
we're
having
a
couple
of
meetings
just
on
different
topics
with
people
from
the
county
and
we're
having
a
review
of
the
community
health
worker
program.
So
we
can
very
specifically
today.
C
A
I
mean
there's
also,
there
was
also
talk
about.
How
would
we
Implement
something
where
we
were
involving
people
who
are
living
in
these
areas
to
even
help
with
this
policy
as
well?
What
could
that
look
like
I
mean
that
could
be
something
else
that
that's
written
in?
It's
just
a
challenge
to
imagine
things
that
we
think
would
be
better,
but
not
having
that
infrastructure
in
place
in
order
to
do
it.
A
That
way
and
I
think
that
summarizes
the
struggle
of
writing
this
entire
situation,
because
we
just
don't,
we
don't
currently
have
the
resources
in
place,
and
maybe
that's
the
reason
to
say,
let's,
let's
focus
on
putting
those
other
resources
in
place
before
we
focus
on
the
landing
policy.
I,
don't.
C
A
A
No
I
don't
care
what
Phoebe
said
that
don't
bother
me
kind
of
thing,
I
think
right
now.
Maybe
they
are
more
important
if
their
input
is
more
important
than
anybody,
and
you
know
I
know
of
someone
who
will
probably
saying
I
will
get
over
I,
don't
yeah
that
that
what
I'm?
What
I'm
saying
is
because
I
mean
the
delay
anymore.
It
is
and
I
trust
it
all
enough
to
say.
A
A
I
will
highlight
again.
This
is
not
a
policy
that
deals
with
safety.
A
To
your
question
as
to
why
now
you
know,
I
will
say
that
my
first
year
I
walked
through
the
Jungle
by
myself
and
I
wasn't
afraid,
that's
how
I
met
Carmen.
We
was
walking
through
the
jungle,
I
was
walking
out
and
he
was
walking
in
and
I
needed
to
try
to
use
the
rescue
mission
to
people
through
the
right
across.
A
That
is
not
the
environment.
We
have
right
now
today.
A
It
is
I,
think
Outreach
workers
rely
on
law
enforcement
and
need
law
enforcement
enforcement
partnership
in
order
to
do
their
work
because
of
the
safety
issues
that
we
are
facing
in
the
union
campus
right
now,
my
understanding,
which
again
goes
back
to
everyone,
Outreach
workers
they
need
to
be
City
paid
staff.
My
understanding
is,
there
are
no
Outreach
records
going
around
campus.
A
So
I'm
glad
we're
talking
about
the
land
use
policy.
This
is
great
I'm
going
to
keep
coming
back
to.
We
need
to
address
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
our
residents,
who
are
unhoused,
who
are
in
jeopardy
every
day
without
access
to
services,
without
access
to
security
and
support,
they
don't
have
access
to
Porta
bodies
and
trash
and
everything
else.
So
I
would
like
us
to
make
progress
on
this
and
I.
Do
think
that
it
is.
A
Like
I
come
from
a
community
that
wait
a
minute
and
we
slow
down,
we
want
safety,
Public
Safety
for
everybody,
no
matter
what,
let's
be
honest,
that
we
are
not
only
concerned
about
their
well-being.
We're
also
concerned
about
these
store
owners,
the
the
businesses
and
also
the
people
who
live
in
that
Community
I
think
you've.
Sort
of
said
that
we
are
listen.
C
A
Oh
thank
you,
but
not
for
shutting
down
I'm,
actually
speaking
out,
but
so
here's
it.
We
were
not
specifically
asked
to
vote
on
this
request
circulate,
but
I
think
there
is
a
request
circulated.
So
I
think
we
if
we
are
going
to
move
this
forward,
we're
going
to
do
that
with
some
of
the
guidance
we've
given
you
and
if
we
don't
vote
to
move
this
forward
and
circulate,
then
we're
just
delaying
this
again
and
a
minimum
of
September
before
Council
looks
at
it.
A
A
I
would
like
the
motion
that
we
go
to
circulate
the
policy
as
written
with
graphic
highlights
of
areas
that
are
specifically
under
consideration
that
we
are
looking
for
feedback
and
support
from
the
community,
specifically
on
on
areas
of
concerns
that
have
been
identified
tonight.
C
A
I
think
I
I
think
we
could
circulate
it
for
our
own
feedback,
but
it
probably
would
need
to
be
a
Committee
Action
would
actually
what
was
circulated.
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that.
You
know
so
that
puts
it
to
the
next
month.
A
B
A
A
Good
one,
okay,
any
other
thoughts
on
that
before
I.
Ask
us
to
vote
on
the
motion,
which
is
to
circulate
the
current
draft
policy
with
some
of
the
legs
ideas
that
we
discussed
right.
A
I
thought
Lisa
said
that
this
would
not
that
doing
that
flag
piece
thing
would
not
be
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
right
now,
like
you're,
fully,
not
understanding
exactly
what
you
should
be
flagging
or
something
I
don't
know.
Maybe
I
got
it
wrong.
Let
me
hear
you
I
said
that
I
didn't
feel
it
because
there
wasn't
consensus
with
the
group
or
even
General's
agreement.
You
know,
I
didn't
feel
comfortable
personally
and
I
think
it
was
corroborated
by
the
group
to
rewrite
it
based
on
your
feedback.
A
Okay
I
would
only
become
both
lagging
things
and
I
feel
like.
If
we
plan,
which
you
know
again,
we
can
wait
and
rewrite
it
and
bring
it
back
to
you
either.
Either
way
is
fine
with
us,
but
I
feel
like
if
we
were
to
provide
things
are
somehow
graphically
depict.
What
we
really
want
feedback
on
I
could
send
that
out
to
you
before
I,
send
it
out
and
say:
did
I
get
everything
or
should
we
add
any?
Does
anybody
want
to
add
any
open.
C
A
I
see
right
now
thank
you
is
c
d,
c
d,
e
and
f
of
the
enforcement
for
the
enforcement,
but
also
we
should
go
up
to
C,
because
C
says
you
know,
may
lead
to
involvement
to
inform
people
that
that
may
lead
to
involvement
of
the
police.
We
need
to
flag
that
down
below
where
it
describes,
who
would
use
visits.
A
It
also
says
members
of
the
Ithaca
Police
Department
may
be
requested
to
conduct
site
visits
that
would
need
to
be
planned
because
either
they
can
conduct
site
visits
or
they
can't
conduct
something
which,
whether
or
not
they
are
giving
warnings
I'm.
Not
their
lawyer
position
is
on
that
and
I
think
the
word
enforcement,
and
that
does
not
surprise
me.
C
F
A
F
The
category
category,
the
categories
of
also
some
of
the
areas,
that's
right,
and
what
we're
able
to
do
even
for
this
first
year
and
like
I,
said
even
if
we
have
an
Amber
areas
shown
this
year.
Maybe
those
turned
her
to
bed
next
year,
but
we're
I
can
say
we
we're
still
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
on
that
one
little
red
area
right
now.
Sorry.
A
So
the
areas
that
have
been
flagged
by
members
of
the
policy
that
are
in
the
group
seem
like
they've,
captured
what
we
were
talking
about
tonight.
Are
there
any
other
areas
that
we
should
articulate.
G
G
Would
you
be
willing
to
reconsider
it
because
it
seems
like
the
feedback
we've
been
hearing?
Is
that
you
know
the
belief
is
that
the
the
meat
of
the
bill
not
only
did
the
only
thing
differentiating
it
and
what
we
have
now
is
the
enforcement
Clause.
It
seems
like
do
you
think
that
is
as
fundamental
to
the
eliminated
that.
F
Yeah
and
I
would
agree
with
what
Cynthia
said
earlier.
We
we
have
a
policy
right
now,
that's
not
enforce.
So
if
we
scratch
any
part
of
the
enforcement
out
of
this
I'd
say
we're
back
to
square
one,
be
honest:
I
mean
we've.
We
put
no
candidate
signs
up
in
all
these
areas
and
they
just
sort
of
ignore
it.
I
mean
we've,
we've
done
steps
in
B
and
CEO
right,
and
we.
G
But
my
concern
is
that,
if
we're
voting
to
circulate
flagging
these
disagreements
and
there's
not
a
willingness
to
compromise
on
this
one
point,
because
it
seems
to
be
the
like
entire
meaning
of
The
Proposal
itself,
is
there
a
point
in
in
circulating
it
if
it
doesn't
seem
like
we're
going
to
get
past?
These
disagreements.
A
I'll,
just
I
guess
I
I'd,
say
one
of
the
reasons
I'd
like
to
circulated
in
this
way
is
that,
even
though
we've
put
some
amazing
Minds
on
this,
there
may
just
be
one
other
person
who
sees
the
disagreements
that
we've
been
wrestling
with
who
might
come
up
with
an
idea
that
somehow
Bridges
those
disagreements
and
so
I
think
that's.
The
whole
point
of
circulating
is
to
get
that
input
and
then
use
that
as
a
way
to
shape
the
policy
that
is
now
in
draft
home.
F
C
F
To
that
too,
like
I
said,
I,
don't
necessarily
need
DB
and
F
to
have
police
involvement
right.
There
needs
to
be
some
actionable.
Step
Beyond
us
constantly
reminding
people
that
they
need
to
know
it's
it's
one
text
next
step.
Is
it
when
you
throw
in
the
thumbnails
and
again,
we've
talked
about
this
in
our
meetings?
It's
it's.
If
it's
not
police,
what
is
it.
A
Yeah
actually
go
back
to
what
that's
earlier,
where
it
just
may
not
be
mad,
and
so
I.
F
A
A
A
Before
it
is
the
board
is
circulated,
so
we
make
sure
that
there's
because
I
don't
have
any
I,
think
it's
very
perfectly
reasonable
because
just
keep
marking
it
up
with
the
same
but
but
again
I
didn't
I'm
gonna
feel
like
you
I
guess.
The
only
other
thing
to
consider
is
I
think
there
are
some
interesting
rules
around
how
long
it
has
to
be
circulated.