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A
B
Thank
you
welcome
everyone.
This
is
the
April
2023
meeting
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
Development
Committee
for
the
city
of
Ithaca.
My
name
is
Rob
Gearhart
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
committee
representing
the
Third
Ward
I'm,
joined
by
some
capalities
while
introduced,
and
then
it
will
convert
the
business.
We
have
some
Dave
Rock
From
The,
First,
Ward
BB
Brown
from
the
second
ward,
got
some
Glenn
from
the
second
word.
Also.
B
We
are
missing
one
of
our
committee
members
tonight,
Tiffany
Kumar
from
the
fourth
board,
won't
be
joining
we're
also
joined
by
non-committee
members
from
common
Council
George
McGonagall
from
the
First
Ward,
and
our
mayor
is
with
us
as
well.
I.
Think
I
got
everyone
we're
going
to
be
working
from
an
amended
agenda
that
was
posted
earlier
this
week,
so
hopefully
everyone
has
that
in
front
of
them.
It
is
on
the
website.
C
B
So
we
have
a
few
guests
in
the
room.
So
I'm
asked
to
read
this
statement.
It's
an
emergency
evacuation
notice
in
case
of
an
emergency
evacuation.
We
are
to
take
one
of
two
exits
either
at
this
end
of
the
room
or
the
entrance
where
most
of
you
came
in
and
wait
out
on,
Cayuga
Street
at
the
Green
Street
intersection
do
not
cross
the
road,
those
with
restricted
mobility
and
the
events
of
emergencies.
B
It
is
best
to
move
to
one
of
the
stairwells
and
First
Responders
will
arrive
to
Aid
you
in
the
event
of
other
emergencies.
You
will
be
notified
at
that
time.
We
want
everyone
to
be
aware
of
their
surroundings
and
offer
help
when
it
is
not
to
your
own
detriment,
as
you
are
your
own
best
advocate.
So
thank
you.
B
Okay
and
I
think
we're
going
to
jump
into
public
comment.
We
have
several
people
in
the
room
with
us,
we'll
start
with
and
then
I
think
we
do
have
a
few
who
will
be
joining
us
virtually
so
with
our
first
public
speaker
will
be
the
result.
A
C
C
A
C
F
Is
camping?
It's
it's
a
it's
a
fine
line.
We
have
expensive
natural
areas
in
the
city
that
get
very
little
attention
and
campers
make
a.
B
Very
big
impact
on
those
national
areas,
it's
very
hard
to
get
ipe
to
address
campers.
C
To
homelessness,
The
Overlook.
F
C
F
Crumbling
and
there's
an
overhang
so
and
if
the
city's
going
to
spend
some
money
on
an
Overlook,
we
have
a
beautiful
one.
It
just
needs
some
attention.
The
bush
is
there.
You
can
barely
get
to
this
chain-link
fence,
keeping
you
away
from
the
Overlook,
because
bushes
have
grown
up
so
much
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
I
bring
up.
I
was
here,
I,
don't
even
know
how.
Many
years
ago,
I
was
saying
they
could
be
addressed
pretty
well
with
a
natural
areas,
manager,
manager,.
C
F
Of
international
areas
or
very
little
Gene
is
Mark.
A
C
F
C
C
I
Ers
good
evening,
I
am
Zack
vanilla
here
in
city,
I
would
like
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
proposed
city
and
county
plans
to
address
open
drug
scenes,
specifically
the
home
together,
Thompkins
continuity,
care
document
and
draft
policy
for
understanding
human
hand
and
some
saving
property,
open
drug
scenes
or
Gatherings
of
drug
users
who
publicly
consume
and
deal
drugs.
Both
of
these
plans
continue
to
fail
policy
of
tolerating
illegal
campaign
on
city.
G
I
Being
homeless
is
not
a
crime
camping
on
city
land
or
that
apartment
is
these
plants
specifically
do
not
call
for
enforcement
of
the
camping
ban
on
city
property,
both
from
the
county
continuity
of
character
documents.
The
Continuum
of
Care
believes
that
increasing
the
stock
of
available
rental
units
of
shelter
for
this
population,
but
that
in
the
important
city,
and
maybe
an
attempt
to
close
any
of
these
two
camps
allowing
these
camps
to
continue
against
continuing
to
allow
fires,
explosions,
organized
staff,
met
cooking
murder,
overdoses,
human
trafficking,
sexual
assault
and
other
kinds
of
violence.
I
The
home,
together
in
City
plans,
would
allow
this
Behavior
to
continue
the
city
plans
for
fencing
of
the
area
between
Cecil
Malone
and
Brindley
Street
used
every
day
by
citizens
to
avoid
several
walk
past
several
block
walk
past
the
Yard
House
that
is
currently
unnecessary.
The
shortcut
was
invited
uninviting
until
the
learning
of
the
encampment
producing
them
normal.
I
Is
presumed
the
city
plan
aimed
to
deny
this
area
to
law
abiding
law
abiding
residents
once
again
merely
fencing
the
area
will
not
deter
operators.
Existing
problem
campsites
in
the
area
are
on
Railroad
already
when
I'm
Warehouse,
Carpet
Outlet
and
do
not
appear
to
be
part
of
the
plant
Fest
area
or
a
Red
Zone.
If
I
am
incorrect,
please
let
me
know
the
city
and
county
policy
needs
to
be
one
of
zero
tolerance,
clearing
of
the
sites,
clearing
up
trees
and
escalating
consequences
for
violating
the
law.
I
Conceivably,
orders
of
protection
can
be
issued,
barring
the
individuals
from
city
property.
If
they
return
it,
they
would
be
in
violation
and
stay
away
order.
All
that
is
required
to
end
these
encampments
is
the
will
to
do
so.
Housing
first
is
a
bad
policy
that
rewards
negative
behavior.
The
policy
of
city
and
the
city
in
the
county
should
be
shelter,
birth
and
treatment.
First,
the
drugs
being
used
in
the
encampments
are
primarily
methamphetamine
and
Fentanyl.
People
using
these
drugs
are
in
crisis
and
need
a
major
intervention
to
stop
their
self-destructive
ashes.
I
Any
recovered
addicts
will
tell
you
they're
going
cold
turkey
into
jail
cell
is
the
best
thing
that
ever
to
happen
going
to
jail
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
outcome
for
a
person
struggling
in
addition
to
this
living
in
a
city,
land.
Many
of
the
organizations
and
individuals
who
contributed
to
these
plans
have
a
personal
stake
in
perpetuating
the
driving
candidates
and
allowing
people
to
remain
in
crisis.
I
think
it
should
be
known
as
a
place.
Foreign.
I
Approach
similar
to
a
left,
shelter
that
allows
to
stop
incrementation
access
to
free
uncontaminated
drugs
would
alleviate
the
need
for
continuous
property
credit.
It
would
also
start
drug
dealers
and
gains
of
Revenue
competition
among
which
is
the
source
of
primary
source
of
gun.
Violence
in
the
area.
The
city
and
county
plans
will
only
serve
to
exacerbate
existing
issues
in
the
West
End,
while
failing
to
address
the
root
cause
of
those
issues,
I
asked
the
committee
to
vote
no
on
this
proposed
policy.
Thank
you.
A
D
Good
evening
my
name
is
David
cutter
I'm,
the
University
of
landscape
architect
within
the
campus
planning
office
here
at
Cornell.
University
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
share
some
preliminary
comments
about
your
next
agenda
item.
That's
the
private
tree
ordinance,
timely
issue,
actually
given
the
upcoming
celebration
of
Earth
Day
and
Arbor
Day.
So
let
me
start
by
just
noting
that
I
agree
with
the
attention
of
this
ordinance
like
the
city.
D
We
also,
we
understand
the
desire
of
the
city
to
be
able
to
manage
their
Urban
Tree
canopy
right
as
a
system,
and
therefore
you
know
that
rationale
for
expanding
the
current
tree
ordinance
to
include
trees
and
private
property.
In
addition
to
those
on
public
trees,
which
are
already
addressed
by
the
audience
like.
D
At
the
same
time,
there
are
some
notable
differences
as
well,
unlike
the
city
kind
of
that
differentiation
between
the
public
and
private
land
and
individual
parcel
lines
is
a
little
less
important
to
us
because
of
Amelia
is
a
university,
because
you've
got
that
management
control
over
all
2008,
plus
acres
of
our
Cornell
campus
and
what
we
don't
specifically
issue
permits.
We
still
hold
all
our
projects
and
actions
to
our
design
and
construction
standards,
and
we
have
the
enforcement
power
to
back
them
up.
D
D
We
do
have
15-year
record
of
tracking
and
Reporting
things
like
the
number
of
trees
we
plant,
how
many
we
prune,
how
many
remove
annually?
That's
something
we
prepared
by
our
tree
committee,
which,
actually
you
know
Junior
your
city
Forester,
is
actually
a
member
of
that
and
it
provides
a
really
good
basis
for
this
partnership.
D
So,
let's
acknowledge
that
both
institutions-
we
have
the
knowledge,
the
capacity
and
integrity
to
make
decisions
about
our
individual
assets,
be
they
parking
spaces
or
individual
trees
that
take
into
account
both
specific
needs
and
the
priorities
of
our
institution,
but
same
time,
advancing
our
shared
goals.
We
have
of
managing
our
Urban
landscape
from
the
benefit
of
all
community
members.
D
D
A
E
G
B
B
C
You
I
want
to
thank
Teresa
all
because
that
really
set
up
room
in
my
heart.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you.
B
Else
yeah,
thank
you
so
we'll
jump
into
our
agenda.
Our
first
is
a
special
order
of
business.
B
C
A
C
Right,
hello,
I'm,
Nikki,
Sarah,
I'm,
the
environmental
and
Landscape
planner
here
and
Gene
Grace
I'm
stated
Forester.
Thank
you
for
having
us
today
we're
just
we're
going
to
introduce
the
concept
of
private
tree
ordinances
and
possible.
Significant
amendment
to
our
existing
treatment
coordinates.
C
So
this
is
the
layout
of
our
presentation.
I
want
to
tell
you
about
the
backgrounds
of
tree
ordinances,
really
the
why
City
tree
ordinance,
research
and
work,
some
of
the
research
that
we've
done
and
the
work
that's
already
been
done.
Some
goals,
the
Y
Revisited
for
actually
Ithaca.
If
there
were
to
be
an
amendment
to
that
ordinance
and
then
basically
applying
ithaca's
Urban
Forest
Farmers,
which.
E
K
A
C
Process
got
a
little
Hayward
with
the
pandemic,
so
we're
just
here
we're
going
to
present
and
then
to
maybe
circulate
the
next
month,
and
you
all
are
agreement
so
first
and
I'll
try
to
go
through
this
quickly
because
I
can
go
through
and
live
next
I'm
going
to
train
our.
A
C
C
Provide
oxygen,
they
sustain
habitat
and
food
for
wildlife
and
humans
and
then
also
they're
very
important
structures
of
green
infrastructure
of
elements.
So
they
you.
C
C
With
research
that
they
increase
property
values,
homes
and
businesses,
they
can
reduce
energy
costs
if
they're
coming
in
the
right
place,
lower
Health
costs
and
prolong
life
of
infrastructure,
and
then
I
think
the
really
a
lot
of
the
research
now
that's
really
exciting
and
really
shows
that
have
been
communal
benefit.
Is
this
that
we
know,
but
we
still
have
to
research.
Improvement
is
this:
it
improves
mental
physical
health
and
well-being.
This.
C
And
just
some
of
the
you
know,
the
seminal,
evidence-based
designed
way
back
in
1984
that
you
might
have
heard
about
from
orc
showed
that
just
viewing
trees
outside
of
a
hospital
window
actually
had
to
help
issues
recover
quicker
and
have
less
fewer
visits
by
nurses,
which
is
pretty
amazing
and
then
I
think
something
that's
important
too,
and
then
I
got
thinking
about
climate
change
and
the
genomic
effect.
C
They
just
released
research
from
Europe
93
cities
showing
premature
deaths
from
actual
excess
summer
heat
it's
like
6700
amateur
deaths,
and
then
they
modeled
it
taking
all
those
93
cities
to
30
candidate
cover
and
found
that
more
than
a
third
of
those
total
premature
deaths
could
be
avoided
which
can
be
cover
of
trees.
C
C
C
Had
concerns-
and
they
said
the
board
directs
two
wardrobs
at
the
time,
requested
information
on
potential
adoption
of
a
privacy
ordinance
and
her
Steam,
and
so
knowing
this
and
knowing
all
the
community
benefits,
there's
municipalities
around
the
country
protecting
all
the
trees
in
our
city,
not
just
Street
trees
and
archeries
I
love.
This
picture.
K
C
Different
city
and
town
tree
ordinances
with
populations
ranging
actually
from
13
000,
but
we
really,
you
know,
tried
to
look
at
some
comparable
all
the
way
to
9.94,
because
you
know
places
like
Portland.
That,
of
course,
have
a
private
tree.
Orness.
C
E
C
There
are
exemptions
in
all
of
all
of
these
ordinances,
where
you
did
that
and
to
get
a
treating
permit
a
tree
removal
permit
criteria
for
permission,
mitigation,
penalties,
application,
procedural
and
appeals.
So
we
looked
at
all
of
that
and
then
we
also
received
input
from
many
different
people
and
different
commissions
at
the
time
the
park
and
rec
and
the
shade
tree,
and
also
some
plan
step
and
we're
not
going
to
get
into
the
the
direct
Amendment
too
much
just
a
basic
overview
of
what
this
could
look
like.
C
Really
important-
and
this
is
just
going
back
to
the-
why,
specifically
for
Ithaca-
preserve
tree
canopy,
the
benefit
of
all
address
resident
concerns
with
three-year-old
related
to
development
and
then
I
think
a
really
important
one
is
to
close
the
loophole,
which
developers
can
clearly
clear
for
the
property
prior
to
submit
all
the
interview
application
and
they
create
an
ordinance,
and
this
is
really
important.
That
is
not
overly
burdened
burden,
something
or
property
owners
and
really
Gene
had
a
really
good
phrase,
for
this
is
to
give
pause
before
coming
down
a
healthy
treat.
C
A
C
You
know
I,
don't
think
this
is
an
ordinance
that
we're
trying
to
create.
That
is
just
going
to
prevent
any
tree
from
being
removed
ever
in
the
city
that
feel
like.
That
is
not
our
goal
at
all.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
these
decisions
that
are
being
made
are
being
made
in
a
mindful
way
and
all
the
options
are
being
weighed.
C
In
addition,
you
know:
canopy
coverage
is
something
that
is.
We
have
canopy
coverage
goals
and
not
every
neighborhood
reaches
those
goals
that
we
have.
Some
of
them
have
candy
coverage
percentages
that
are
under
what
we'd
like
them
to
be
and
right
now
we
can
only
kind
of
control,
a
small
area
on
either
side
of
the
roads
and
there's
a
lot
of
land
area
that
has
Pantry
handy
on
it,
that
we
have
no
control
over
and
we
can.
C
100
percent
have
100
canopy
on
all
the
streets
up
and
down
every
other
every
street,
but
we
would
never
reach
our
canopy
goal.
That
really
we
need
to
come
back
climate
change
and
to
make
our
communities
livable
and
so
to
have
some
sort
of
impact,
and
some
sort
of
input
of
what
happens
on
private
property
I
think
would
help
us
to
make
sure
that
we
can
maintain
those
canopy
coverage
goals
that
we
that
we
need
to
keep
our
community
uncomfortable
and
pleasant
place
to
live
and.
A
C
Parameters,
you
know
what
size
are
our
trees
in
general
and
looking
at
the
research
and
our
input,
and
so
looking
at
our
tree
stock,
any
significant
dream
could
be
eight
inches,
dbh
or
more,
and
then
dbh
is
diameter,
breast
type,
so
foreign
and
then
the
Heritage
would
be
24,
inches,
deviation
or
greater
500
amount,
so
included
the
New
York
State
BBC,
protected
native
plants
and
then
more
than
five
trees
over
orange
deviation
the
one
year
period
from
anyone
a
property.
C
This
is
how
it
would
happen.
They
would
apply
for
a
tree
removal,
permanent
application
and
the
fee
to
parks
and
Forest,
of
course,
supervision
engaging
from
heaven
and
other
colleagues
asking
that
it
be
submitted
by
an
isda.
J
A
E
C
It
mean
and
it
can
be
approved,
approved
with
conditions
or
not
improved,
and
then
you.
H
C
See
the
city
Forester
will
do
that
when
it's
not
subjected
to
assignment
approval
and
then,
if
it
is
that'll,
be
the
planning
board
written
input
from
the
horse
and
then
speaking
to
Dave
Cutter's
remarks.
A
little
bit
at
the
beginning
is
that
organizations
that
met
manage
a
significant
area
of
plan.
We're
saying
five
acres
or
more,
which
you
can
see
on
the
map
there
and
have
an
active
Tree
Management
program
can
apply
for
an
annual
tree
or
the
work
permit
in
lieu
of
like
each
individual
tree.
C
So
they'll
we
will
approve
through
our
mobile
Department's
gift.
You.
C
Or
results
in
a
healthier
canopy,
but
actually
removing
it
so
it'll
allow
other
trees
to
grow
there
permit
required
for
significant
art
history
if
imminent.
So
we
just
ask
that
you
give
something
two
weeks
after
two
weeks
that
says
it
was.
E
E
C
Essentials
so
there's
a
lot
of
extensions,
undesirable
trees,
species
which
will
keep
a
list
on
the
website,
one
that
Isa
certified
Arborist
submits
a
short
report
to
confirm.
You
know:
that's
that
it's
excluded
from
this
tree
status
and
then
removal
by
utility
companies,
federal
state
or
local
governments.
C
B
Thank
you,
I
guess.
I
would
like
to
open
it
up
to
questions
from
my
colleagues
to
see
if
there's
anything
they
can,
we
can
answer
for
them
right
now,
but
thank
you
for
that.
That
was
very
development,
clear
I
think
for
a
first
start,
because
the
idea
is
so
you
get
some
feedback
from
us
and
then
come
back
in
the
future.
It's
something
that
has
helped
me
more
traffic,
yeah,
okay,
anyone
questions
good
on
TV
and
then
we'll
end.
A
C
But
I
want
to
start
out
by
asking
you
what
is
TR.
What
is
a
true
catapult,
I
mean
others
might
know,
but
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
That's
one
question
so
tree
canopy
is
basically
you
can
think
of
kind
of
like
the
shape
that
a
tree
is
creating.
So
when
you
look
at
a
tree
from
above
the
canopy,
is
the
entire
Leaf
mask
that's
kind
of
creating
the
shade
below
the
tree.
L
C
So
we
want
to
have
a
certain
percentage
in
each
neighborhood,
and
so
some
of
our
neighborhoods
have
like
42
or
50,
and
then
some
neighborhoods
have
closer
to
15.,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
each
neighborhood
has
something
closer
to
like
40
or
30
percent
to
give
enough
shade
for
buildings
and
people.
C
Thank
you.
So
I
live
in
a
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
you
said
about
the
trees
I
I
can
I
can
notice
my
experience
winter
time,
but
when
I
start
seeing
the
tree,
people
asked
okay,
that's
enough.
I.
J
C
The
trees
and
that's
one
we're
usually
want
to
stay
away
for
20
something
years.
Another
question
is
so
this
is
all
about
for
private
right.
I
have
some
other
questions
for
one
again
when
y'all
use
this
word
Urban.
What
do
you
mean
by
that?
Like
I
mean
because
I
get
used
a
lot
and
I
know
I
have
a
perception
when
I
hit
Urban
I'm,
trying
to
figure
what
y'all
talking
yeah
right?
C
A
C
Of
managing
trees
in
like
a
very
in
a
developed
settings.
Okay,
thank
you
last
but
not
least
well
well,
thank
you.
I
love,
this
presentation
as
possible
also,
but
recently
there's
been
a
lot
of
cutting
Downs
of
Cheers,
especially
in
my
neighborhood
and
I,
came
back
and
was
clutching
My
Curls,
especially
over
by
the
science
center.
C
So
do
communities
get
informed,
I
know
we're
talking
about
private,
but
do
communities
get
informed
and
we
did
mention
something
about
two
years
ago,
Community
being
involved
with
the
decisions
of
the
ones
cut
down,
I
couldn't
believe
like
so.
My
question
is
this:
is
community
notified
about
this?
Have
input
about
where
y'all
are
going
to
because
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
calls
and
and
talks
with
people
about.
A
C
E
C
They're
homeowners
sure,
but
the
community
members
get
a
piece
of
saying
on
when
or
where
are
those
trees
going
to
be
because
I
didn't
know
anything
about
it?
Yeah
so
I
think
they're
kind
of
two
different
issues
happening
here,
so
so
the
work
that
you're
referring
to
that
was
along
like
six
months,
yeah.
A
C
So
they
did
send
postcards
out
to
properties
that
were
adjacent
to
areas
where
they
were
going
to
do
this
utility
pruning.
So
that's
how
they
do
their
notification.
That's
not
something
that
we
have
control,
or
they
don't
do.
They
don't
have
Community.
You
don't
have
and
you
put
when
they
make
those
decisions
right.
J
C
What
they're
doing
is
they're
doing
clearance
around
their
lines,
and
so
they
have
like
a
10
to
15
foot
easement
around
all
their
utility
lines
and
if
they
don't
clear
them
to
a
certain
degree,
they
can
actually
get
Federal
fines
for
not
keeping
it
the
utility
safe
enough.
C
So
it's
a
balance
between
between
those
things
and
I
think,
especially
on
that
section
of
the
creek
there's
a
lot
of
invasive
trees
and
volunteer
trees
that
have
come
up
through
there,
and
so
those
are
all
trees
that
are
going
to
get
tall
and
get
into
the
lines
and
cause
problems.
So
in
some
cases
they
did
just
remove
the
whole
tree
rather
than
just
cutting
the
top
off
of
it,
which,
as
a
like
as
a
practice,
that's
actually
better
for
the
tree.
C
And
so
so
that's
one
issue
and
then
on
the
streets,
we're
leading
more
intensive
management
of
the
trees.
We
really
work
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
are
planting
trees
that
are
not
going
to
get
so
all
inventory
so
that
they
they
don't
get
into
the
power
line.
That's
what
we
don't
have
to
have
utility
pumpkins
come
and
do
no
straps
or
cuts
on
the
tree
and
then
in
terms
of
our
program.
C
So
if
we
are
going
to
prune
a
tree,
if
it
wasn't
requested
by
the
property
owner,
we
don't
necessarily
notify
people
but
her
tree
removals.
We
do
put
signs
up
on
the
trees
that
say
this
tree
spectrum
is
removal,
there's
a
phone
number
that
people
can
call
and
they
often
do
and
then
I
can
talk
to
them
about
why
we
need
a
decision.
C
Training
for
the
tree
and
oftentimes
people
are
upset
when
they
see
the
sign
there
and
then,
after
they
kind
of
hear
reasons
and
the
rationale-
and
you
know
that
that
there's
thought
going
into
it.
That
seems
to
really
help
people
to
understand
that
you
know
we're
not
just
doing
it
arbitrarily,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
ways
that
we
communicate
with
food
because
now
I
have
something
to
feedback.
E
A
C
You
ever
get
questioned
just
you
can
you
can
call
me,
you
can
send
people
sure
talk
to
me
I'm,
happy
to
talk
and
see
the
great
question
for
also
for
if
there
were
to
be
a
draft
Amendment,
there
were
a
lot.
A
lot
of
awarenesses
do
include
some
kind
of
yeah,
because
also
right
sometimes
you
know.
Some
of
the
original
concerns
that
came
up
were
trees,
that
were
kind
of
in
small
backyards
and.
C
C
E
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
yeah,
even
though
it's
definitely
go.
C
I
should
say:
I
was
a
lot
of
good
ones,
because
I
tend
to
you
know,
want
people
to
be
able
to
have
agency
over
their
own
property,
so
we're
bringing
forward
a
community
concern
for
the
most
part,
so
I've
been
a
lot
of
different,
but
I
mean
the
last
little
lessons
which
I
said
is
why
you
know
technically
supported
this,
but
two
things
did
come
up
at
the
time,
so
one
more
step
in
English
I
believe
has
only
gotten
worse
since
we
spoke
about
this
years
ago
in
terms
of
how
much
that
title
and
takes
process
applications.
C
Another
thing
it's
a
very
good
and.
C
Just
whoever
step
in
right
every
application
through
and
so.
A
C
I
think
that
it's
hard
to
say
how
much
time
it
will
take
until
the
start,
implementing
some
version
of
what
our
draft
proposal
is.
C
E
C
You
know
what
it
you
know:
I,
don't
think
it's
a
lot.
I
think
that
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
current
applications
will
be
very
quick
to
process
I.
Think
a
lot
of
them
will
be
undesirable
trees.
A
lot
of
them
will
be
trees
that
have
serious
structural
issues,
trees
that
have
serious
health
issues,
and
so,
like
you
know,
a
couple
pictures
from
a
certified
Arborist
or
a
quick
stop
by
the
house.
I
think
a
lot
of
those
can
get
processed
because
tree
removal
is
costly
and
I.
C
Think
people
don't
do
it
completely.
You
know
just
arbitrarily
or
frivolously
I
think
the
ones
that
we're
trying
to
really
catch
are
some
of
these
projects
where
people
might
feel
like
just
starting
with
a
clean
sleep.
It's
just
step
one
for
any
project
and
not
really
thinking
that,
like
there
could
be
an
alternative
to
not
start
a
project
in
that
way
or
people
that
think
they
have
a
project
moving
forward
and
and
do
the
tree
removal
as
step
one
and
then
maybe
the
rest
of
the
project
never
comes
to
fruition.
C
So
just
just
have
those
steps
to
kind
of
slow
down
the
process
a
little
bit
and
having
a
little
bit
of
thought
and
then
you
know
I
think
there
are
other
situations
where
trees
could
be
preserved.
C
You
know
where
people
do
want
to
develop
their
property,
they
want
to
do
something
with
their
property,
they
want
to
add
something,
and
there
may
be
opportunities
with
slight
modification
treats
could
be
preserved
or
people
have
you
know,
I
do
talk
to
some
people
that
that
you
know
trees
are
messy
or
I'm
I'm.
Getting
older
and
I
can't
take
care
of
the
leaves,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
to
try
to
like
slow
down
the
process
and
say:
okay
like
so.
C
E
C
So,
just
having
that
that
moment
where
we
can
have
a
conversation
and
maybe
and
I,
don't
think
that
there's
going
to
be
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
the
majority
of
the
Hermits
I
think
the
majority
of
them
are
going
to
be
probably
or
good
cause
will
be
pretty.
Like
simple,
simple
answers,
foreign.
C
Did
you
I
didn't
recall
you
mentioning
anything
about
fines
or
penalties
for
trees
being
removed
without
proper
approval?
Yes,.
E
A
C
I'd
be
happy
to
either
read
that
or
you
know
let
you
see
that
later,
but
we
do.
There
is
a
section
for
penalties
for
violations
and
other
than
there's
also
mitigation
and
mitigation,
and
so
will
you
be
in
any
way
holding
the
contractor
responsible
for
removing
trees
without
a
permit,
because
there's
a
handful
of
contractors
who
do
this,
they
hopefully
will
be
thoroughly
aware
of
the
permit
and
if
they
move
forward
without
a
permit,
then
are
they
in
some
way
you're
going
to
be
implicit
or
in
the
violation
of
this
policy
right?
C
C
And
that
is
part
of
the
education
that
we
want
to
roll
onto
is
talking
about
the
contractors
and
arborists
Etc
to
make
them
aware
of
this.
Okay,
thank
you,
because
I
think
that
that
double-edged
approach,
because
otherwise
it
just
then
becomes
especially
looking
back
at
your
map
and
knowing
on
West
Hill.
We
have
very,
very
large
properties
that
are
entirely
tree
covered.
You
know,
but
how
would
anybody
know
unless
you
have
a
drone?
You
wouldn't
know
until
the
whole
thing.
J
C
So
that's
one
aspect:
the
other
question
I
have
is
I'm
thinking,
I
want
to
say
it
wasn't
this
winter
it
was
last
winter
we
had
a
very
wet
winter
and
you
had
a
lot
of
trees
coming
down
because
it
was
wet
and
I
know.
In
my
property
you.
E
C
If,
like
everything
was
just
so
heavy
and
the
ground
was
so
saturated,
the
trees
start
coming
out.
So
when
you
have
periods
like
this,
where
there's
a
weather
event
that
pauses
all
these
homeowners
at
once
I
remember
the
city
couldn't
even
find
contractors
like
everybody
was
out
working.
Actually,
maybe
the
private
people
couldn't
find
contractors
because
they
were
all
working
from
the
city
to
remove
trees.
What
how
do
you
plan
to
address
situations
like
that?
Where
people
are
really
desperate
in
their
afraid
that
there
might
be
imminent
danger?
C
K
K
C
Had
trees
that
were
just
leaning
right
right
so
again
that
would
be
that
would
be
existence.
C
The
removal
of
hazardous
trees
for
that
person's
Wildlife
bar
property
from
adminate
danger
is
determined
by
the
City
forest
or
an
Isa
certified
Arborist
or
an
emergency
service
worker.
So
anyone
that
would
come
to
your
property
to
help
so
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
do
it
and
then
you
know
either
maybe.
C
A
E
A
A
C
I
want
to
build
a
five-story
box
on
it,
but
if
this
ordinance
was
in
place,
someone
could
buy
the
property
and
then
submit
an
application
from
the
trees
and
when
I
said
well,
I
removed
their
trees,
they
would
say
so
we
can
develop
the
whole
property
and
that's
probably
a
permit
I
would
not
approved
and
they
would
have
to.
The
trees
would
have
to
remain
until
they
came
through
site,
then
review
so
the
planning
for
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
what
their
design
is
with
what
their
goals
are.
For
the
property.
C
Them-
and
there
could
be
a
conversation
about-
is
there
any
possible
way
we
can?
Maybe
the
magnolia
tree
would
be
in
a
courtyard
of
the
building,
or
you
know
something
like
that,
so
that
would
be
the
process
that
I
would
follow
if
we
adopted
something
like
well,
our
draft
is
proposing.
Would
there
be
conflicts
with
zoning
like
it's
a
property
zone
for
90
law
coverage
right,
so
it
would
be
as
a
rate
if
they
wanted
to
see
bills.
Ninety.
E
C
C
E
L
C
Good
question:
thank
you
for
following
up,
though
mitigation
again
draft,
please
Property
Owners
to
enable
construction
on
a
reasonable
use.
Property
shall
provide
mitigation
by
and
then
that's
when
we
talk
about
your
placement
tree
of
at
least
two
inch
caliber
for
each
to
help
a
significant
tree
authorized.
So
there's
specific
if.
C
That's
probably
I,
don't
know,
maybe
I
mean
the
canopy
is
getting
big.
The
spot
free
I,
don't
know
the
diameters
being
trying
yeah.
So
there
would
be
a
medication
for
that.
There
would
be-
and
one
thing
we
have
in
here
that
we've
played
around
with
is
the
idea
of
a
tree
fund,
and
so,
when
people
do
you
know,
maybe
they
are
doing
this
development
of
whatever
90
coverage.
C
It's
a
lot
or
whatever
it
is,
and
and
there
isn't
an
opportunity
for
them
to
mitigate
by
planting
enough
trees,
then
they
can
contribute
to
a
tree
fund
and
that
fund
would
be
held,
and
then
we
could
use
that
for
focusing
planting
trees
and
other
places
in
that
neighborhood
or
in
other
neighborhoods,
where
we
do
have
this
like
very
low
canopy
coverage,
and
we
need
to
like
do
some
infrastructure
improvements
before
we
can
get
trees
to
be
planted
and
survive,
and
just
coming
up
with
ideas
on
how
we
can
use
that
money
to
better
serve.
C
E
B
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
just
look
to
the
committee
to
say
thumbs
up
that.
We
think
our
colleagues
here
should
continue
to
flush
out
this
draft
and
then
propose
to
bring
it
back
to
us
at
some
point
in
the
near
future.
C
B
B
Okay,
so
our
next
item
would
be
to
talk
about
the
public
Outreach
that
was
done.
A
B
Our
last
discussion
about
the
Ithaca,
Gun,
Smoke,
Stack,
so
Brian
I,
think,
is
Johnny
Johnny.
B
And
as
a
reminder,
we
asked
that
the
last
time
this
committee
had
this
topic
in
front
of
us.
We
asked
to
see
if
we
could
get
some
input
from
the
public
about
how
they
felt
about
the
smokestack
and
Brian
and
his
group
put
out
a
survey
which
I'm
sure
several
of
us
told
it
along
to
our
different
groups,
and
so
we
have
a
summary
Canelo
about
that.
But
I
and
I
think
you
also
shared
the
results
that
people
could
dive
into.
B
But
we
invite
Brian
in
to
have
any
questions
that
you
might
have,
or
maybe
a
short
presentation
about
what
you
did
and
then
we'll
go
over.
There.
M
Absolutely
I
can
I'll
Briefly
summarize
what
we
did
most
of
the
information
is
in
the
memo,
but
it
is
still
important
to
share
what
happened
so
after
the
last.
The
last
time
we
met
I
worked
with
Lisa
to
prepare
a
survey
very
brief
survey
with
very
pointed
questions.
M
We
wanted
to
get
results
in
a
format
that
was
easy
to
digest
and
was
efficient
for
people
to
to
participate
in
it
did
some
of
the
comments
that
we
received
back
was
that
it
was
not
nuanced
and
that
there
was
not
quite
enough
information
or
not
enough
questions
for
them
to
truly
respond
in
the
way
that
they
liked,
but
I
do
think.
The
survey
did
a
great
job
of
gathering
a
lot
of
information,
both
from
City
residents,
as
well
as
people
who
live
in
the
broader
Community.
M
Two
key
questions
were
addressed:
should
the
smoke
sack
be
preserved
and
should
the
city
allocate
funds
toward
that
end
and
the
results
from
the
broader
Community
there
was.
There
was
wide
support
for
the
preservation
of
the
smokestack
91
of
respondents
supported
or
excuse.
Me
93
should
look
at
my
numbers
because
I'm
not
a
math
guy
reservation,
school
yeah.
M
Thank
you,
Cynthia,
so
yeah
93
of
respondents
supporting
the
preservation
of
the
smokestack
and
the
reason
for
their
support
had
a
lot
to
do
with
labor
history
in
the
community
and
the
visual
appeal
of
the
of
the
landlord
narrowing
that
group
down
to
City
residents,
who
you're
all
responsible
to
81
of
City
respondents,
supported
the
preservation
of
the
smokestack
and
of
that
81
of
respondents.
M
M
There
was
also
an
opportunity
to
provide
additional
comments
and
I
did
circulate
the
raw
data
to
Council
our
committee
members
all
circulated
to
council.
If
you
think
it's
appropriate.
M
There
were
hundreds
of
writing
comments
about
the
stack
everything
ranging
from
you
know.
This
site
is
incredibly
contaminated
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
full
remediation
of
the
environmental
contamination
could
happen.
So
please
remove
this
act.
To
Ithaca
gun
is
an
integral
part
of
my
family.
My
father
grandfather
and
great-grandfather
works
there,
and
the
loss
of
this
stack
would
be
devastating
to
me
if
I
had
so.
M
Those
are
the
results
of
the
survey.
I
hope
that
it
was
able
to
give
committee
members
a
little
bit
more
information
about
how
the
community
feels
about
the.
A
B
G
C
I'm
just
disheartened
to
hear
the
response
very
because
I
I
think
to
me
what
it
represents
is
and
all
the
killings.
C
Is
just
you
know,
but
that's
what
the
city
wants
right
so
I
can't
do
anything
against
it,
but
I
I
just
have
to
make
this
comment.
We
honor
a
lot
of
unjust
things
in
our
world.
We
honor
George
Washington,
who
owns
slaves
right.
C
So
what
I'm
saying
is
history
is
important
and
how
how
I'm,
just
hoping,
if
we
do
this
preservation,
how
we
present
it
in
a
way
of
also
understanding
the
history
and
what
guns
are
doing
today,
maybe
very
great
and
gave
jobs
and
did
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
produced
guns
which
today
is
is
and
I
don't
know
if
I'm
saying
it
right.
But
what
I'm
saying
is,
as
a
you
know,
we
still
have
a
mindset
of
honoring
some
things
that
have
been
very
painful
with
some
communities.
G
C
I
feel
very
much
the
way
Phoebe
does
I.
You
know
for
Council,
we've
had
some
email
exchanges,
I,
don't
think
I
even
realized.
How
triggered
I
was
by
the
symbolism
of
it
until
I
engaged
in
those
you
know
back
and
forth,
and
then
I
had
to
give
myself
pause
and
say:
okay.
This
is
such
something
aiming
for
the
very
same
reasons
that
baby
mentioned,
and
but
you
know,
I'm
trying
to
think
very
rationally
about
this.
C
I
was
here
it
wasn't.
That
long
ago
we
tore
the
building
down.
We
tried
the
factory
down,
I,
don't
recall
any
Outreach
at
the
time
in
regards
to
preserving
the
factory.
How
connected
people
were
to
the
history
of
the
factory
doing
Outreach
disease?
Should
we
save
the
factory
I?
Don't
recall
any
effort
by
the
city
to
preserve
that
that
Legacy
in
history
that
the
factory
represented
it
was
not
much
of
a
topic
at
all.
Everybody.
J
C
Eager
to
see
the
factory
go
if
I
recall,
so
this
is
very
interesting
to
me
that
now
this
is
suddenly
in
this
momentous
contact.
As
you
said,
it'll
be
devastated.
C
So
that's
kind
of
unusual
to
me,
but
be
that
as
as
it
may,
a
lot
of
my
thinking
is
also
going
to
go
around
the
financial
obligation
of
the
carry-on
effects
of
ownership
maintenance
in
perpetuity
of
the
smokestack,
Joe
and
others
have
spoken
very
eloquently
of
existing
City
facilities,
for
which
we
have
taken
on
responsibility
which
are
important
to
our
community,
that
we
provide
little
to
no
care
because
we
don't
have
the
adequate
funding.
C
C
So
that
being
said,
if,
if
this
is
so
important
to
all
of
these
individuals
from
around
the
region
that
they
would
be
interested
in
funding
and
a
Legacy
account
that
would
in
perpetuity
be
provide
the
oversight
and
made
you
know
the
funds
needed.
Then
I
think
I
would
change
my
thinking
on
it,
but
without
that
I
don't
really
feel
compelled
to
support
it.
In
light
of
all
of
the
other
automations
that
we
have.
M
M
G
G
F
And
basically
have.
F
God
made
and
got
the
reputation
for
was
the
37,
the
m30s
I.
Don't.
F
Hunters
all
over
the
country,
but
in
particular
in
the
Finger
Lakes
it
was
a
status
symbol
to
have
one
of
those
shotguns
it
it
changed.
Hunting.
They
were
lighter
than
older,
shotguns,
easier
to
carry.
They
had
a
rifled
barrel.
They
were
more
accurate
back.
Then
rifles
were
not
allowed
for
deerheim,
because
they're
more
dangerous
they'll,
both.
C
Travel
much
farther
so
yes,.
C
M
No
I
don't
believe
the
I
it's
it's
part
of
the
same
parcel
that
the
oh
factory
site
is
and
that's
owned
by
the
developer.
This.
G
M
G
Agreement
with
with
a
development.
B
To
is
we're
on
a
clock
to
make
a
decision
about
whether
we
want
to
buy
that
parcel
from
the
developer,
for
meaning
like
a
dollar.
Something
was
surprised,
but
then
that
does
to
Cynthia's
point
that
those
put
burden.
C
That's
listed
at
least
you
might
have
more
well
and,
and
that
was
in
the
development
agreement,
but
the
first
step
is
to
evaluate
it
to
see
you
know
the
instructional
integrity
and
what
the
cost
will
be
to
preserve.
That
would
be
the
first
step
for
the
other
decision
to
be
made
so
really
the
decision
that
you're
looking
for
but
not
tonight
it
should
be
okay
or
should
we
contribute
to
the
which
is
also
in
the
development
agreement,
half
of
the
cost
of
evaluating
making
accessible
evaluation
staff?
C
That
seems
like
a
lot
of
money.
I
walked.
G
I
went
there
last
week
and
it's
not
difficult
in.
C
C
B
I'll
weigh
in
also
to
to
second
that
point
and
I.
Think
Phoebe
noted
it
earlier
that
if
we
were
to
keep
the
stack
that
we
really
should
make
sure
we
have
also
developed.
G
B
Educational
Opportunity
around
it
and-
and
that
might
be
the
balance
we're
looking
for
I
for
one
was
happy
that
we
did
ask
for
the
public
input
and
while
we
they
understand
that
this
survey
wasn't
appropriate
survey,
it
did
give
us
a
pretty
good
sense
of
the
Public's
reaction
to
this
and
I
think
that
while
it
doesn't
create
a
friends
of
the
Ithaca
Gun
spokes
that
organizations
do
fundraising
since
the
city
can't
do
that,
it
might
point
in
the
direction
that
there
could
be
an
opportunity
for
that
kind
of
support
in
the
future.
B
But
to
Lisa's
point.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
study
that
and
George
is
right.
It's
not
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
project.
It's
more
like
a
thirty
thousand
dollar
project.
To
study
that
and
we're
only.
B
G
B
A
C
A
C
On
the
Board
of
Public
Works,
when
I
came
down
yeah,
so
it
came
down
in
2000
the
factory
yeah,
okay,
my
question
is,
you
said
30
years
ago,
is
when
the
faculty.
Now?
How
long
is
this
smokestack
been
in?
It
been
up
since
the
1940s
and
yeah,
so
we
have
to
do
an
evaluation
of
whatever
they
do,
because
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
big
accident
God
blessed
in
this
city,
with
the
the
parking
garage
and
how
all
those
places
are,
and
you
know,
and
they,
and
so
we
do-
need
a
battle
order.
C
B
So
this
is
again
not
a
vote.
We're
offering
guidance
here
to
as
to
whether
the
department.
G
Would
authorize
to
find
out
how
much
that
would
cost
to
do
that
today?
Okay
and
search
for
funds
and
search.
E
B
M
I
know
the
proposals
that
we
that
we've
received
include
information
about
the
proposals,
say
they'll
provide
information
about
how
much
it
will
cost
to
repair
the
sack
that
will
be
included
in
their
their
work.
Scope.
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
an
estimate
for
the
cost
of
demolition,
but
that's
something
that
we
needed.
We
can
get.
C
C
D
Do
and
to
err
on
the
side
of
my
preservation:
I,
don't
love
the.
C
Idea
of
spending
any
certainly
not
a
lot
of
money,
however,
so
that's
kind
of
done
on
my
name
and
despite
the
fact
that
I
think
it
was
an
industrial
thing,
I
will
say
because
a
second
amendment,
The
repealer
Advocate
until
George's
history
turned
me
off
quite
a
bit.
C
C
One
that
I've
seen
Fall
Creek
is
where
a
huge
number
of
people
who
worked
it
if
you're
going
to
live.
B
Okay,
so
I'll
look
to
Brian
and
Lisa.
Do
you
feel
like
you,
have
what
you
need
from
us.
C
Well,
I
think
the
question
is
Gee.
Would
you
entertain
a
resolution
next
month
to
move
forward
with.
M
The
resolution
that
would
be
able
to
vote
on
next
month
is
to
agree
to
participate
in
commissioning
the.
B
B
C
Reason,
yes,
thank
you
for
FEMA
will
be
in
chapter
two
open
houses
next
week,
one
on
the
26th
of
April
and
the
other
on
age
1.7,
both
of
them
from
4
30
to
8
30.
In
the
evening
the
Wednesday
open
houses
at
Ithaca,
High
School
and
the
Thursday
open
houses
at
Tompkins,
County,
Hall
health
building
on
Route
D5,
Scranton
Road.
This
is
in
regard
to
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
flood
maps.
There
will
not
be
a
presentation
at
this
open
house.
C
It
will
be
an
opportunity
for
people
who
are
affected
or
believe
they're
affected
by
the
blood
Mass
to
come
and
speak
to
representatives
from
FEMA
who
can
give
them
information
about
if
and
how
they
might
be
impacted
by
the
proposed
flood
maps,
and
there
will
be
also
and
give
those
some
guidance
on
insurance,
so
that
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
that
you
did
get
a
press
release
and
it
was
all
circulated
to
Common
council
members
who
probably
distributed
it
to
their
list.
Serves
and
instruments
has
a
lot
of
great
resources
in
it.
C
I
wanted
to
mention
that
also
we
have
built
an
area
on
our
City
website
that
has
lots
of
information
on
it
about
this,
including
this
press
release,
but
also
a
more
easily
navigatable
GIS
map
to
see
if
your
property
falls
within
the
proposal,
but
maps
and
also
information
about
what
the
city
is
doing
to
address
the
the
proposed
with
web
maps,
including
a
presentation
that
Mike
Warren
gave
to
planning
board
a
couple
months
ago,
telling
them
about
what
our
the
flood
mitigation
study
that
was
done
a
couple
years.
C
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
there
every
everybody
was
aware
of
that
challenge.
Yeah,
so
I
did
want
to
also
mention
that
in
your
packets,
it's
not
in
the
agenda,
but
in
your
package
very
much
towards
the
end.
I've
included
a
little
snapshot
of
Housing
Development
for
the
last
five
years.
Housing
comes
up
a
lot
and,
as
many
and
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
for
you
to
have
some
numbers
and
information
in
front
of
you
about
the
housing
development
in
the
last
five
years.
C
I
can
do
longer
than
that
too,
but
wanted
to
give
you
a
snapshot.
It
doesn't.
It
doesn't
show
everything,
but
it
shows
the
trends
and
I
would
say
some
of
these
Trends
have
been
pretty
consistent,
one
of
which
is
that
about
20
of
all
housing
built
in
the
city
has,
for
many
years
been
low,
permanently
affordable,
low
to
moderate
income
housing.
So.
A
B
C
Thank
you
Cynthia
two
questions
Lisa.
Yes,
first
of
all,
so
it's
in
the
public
packets.
You
can
see
those
numbers
online.
C
The
second
question
is:
is
that
will
any
mailer
or
some
USPS
Outreach
go
out
to
property
owners
that
are
likely
to
be
in
the
newsletter
claim
so
that
they
can
be
notified
because
of
these
meetings?
Well,
first
of
all
just
to
be
notified
that
the
FEMA
field
maps
have
are
changing
and
that
there
are,
they
may
face
impacts
and
where
to
find
information.
C
Just
knowing
that
not
everyone
in
the
public
watches
our
meetings
or
or
even
reads
the
Epic
voice
and
without
a
real
local
newspaper,
it's
just
very
hard
to
get
that
information
out
through.
You
know
the
regular
news
services,
so
will
there
be
some
type
of
a
mail
or
that
will
go
out
to
Property
Owners?
We
have
discussed
that,
but
haven't
decided
how
we
would
actually
do
it.
There's
about
a
thousand
properties
that
well
there's
800
new
properties.
C
It's
a
lot
of
mailing
to
go
out,
so
we
were
trying
to
prepare
for
this.
A
few
meeting
make
sure
everybody
has
that
information
and
build
our
web
build
the
information
on
the
website.
We
haven't
made
that
determination,
but
we're
certain
we
can
look
into
it,
but.
G
A
A
B
B
This
is
an
update
from
the
developers
at
the
Bernese
and
we're
specifically
looking
at
the
modifications
they
are
proposing,
based
on
our
input
on
the
Overlook,
so
I.
B
A
C
Thank
you,
Rob
I
just
wanted
to
mentioned
before
they
start
and
because
we're
talking
about
the
ethical
Gun
Site-
and
this
also
is
part
of
that-
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
in
the
development
agreement
that
you've
approved
several
months
ago,
it
did
layout
that
you
know
they
were
to
build
this
Overlook
with
a
bridge
and
amenities
that
were
mutually
agreeable
to
both
parties.
Some
of
them
were
outlined
in
the
development
agreement.
C
E
C
Because
it
is
city
property,
so
the
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
that
this
is
this.
Is
we
don't
have
the
flexibility
to
say?
Okay,
it
can
be
somewhere
else
or
it
was
in
the
development
agreement
that
everybody
agreed
to
so
they've
made
an
effort
to
come
back
and
address
your
concerns
before
and
I
would
like
that
guidance.
C
B
B
I
think
you'll
see
I,
don't
know
if
the
images
have
been
shared.
Yet
with
the
committee
you
know
about
what's
being
proposed
based
on
some
of
our
inputs,
so
I
think
we'll
go
there.
Now.
N
Yes,
so
thank
you
for
having
us
good
evening,
I'm
Julia,
Booker
and
I'm
with
vision,
Development
Group,
together
with
me,
I
have
Laura
Matos
Chief
offer
operating
officer
at
bism.
I
will
be
sharing
my
screen
now.
Let
me
know
if
you
can
see
the
presentation
please.
N
G
N
Thank
you
so
we're
back
at
the
PDC
meeting
tonight
to
present
our
proposed
plan
for
the
bridge
and
Overlook
on
the
city's
parcel
adjacent
to
our
121
125
Lake
Street
development.
This
plan
was
elaborated
after
a
coordinated
site
visit
with
City
officials,
where
existing
conditions,
as
well
as
the
proposed
design,
were
discussed
in
an
effort
to
result
in
a
project
that
is
safe,
safe
and
can
be
enjoyed
by
the
entire
community.
N
We
start
with
an
ADA
accessible
45
feet,
long
prefabricated
pedestrian
bridge
across
the
Raceway.
At
this
point,
the
void
beneath
the
bridge
is
minimum
and,
as
was
seen
on
site
by
Lisa
and
the
other
members
who
attend
as
a
visit
as
we
get
to
the
island,
we
propose
an
ADA,
accessible
stone
dust
path
with
pathway,
stone,
edging
We
Believe,
allowing
people
to
access
a
wider
area
will
make
it
less
desirable
for
visitors
to
wander
around,
possibly
dangerous
areas.
Therefore,
we've
discussed
enlarging
this.
N
The
area
where
pedestrians
can
have
access
to
that
would
mean
enlarging
the
fencing
extension
which
before
had
was
limited
to
the
stone
dust
path
area,
but
now
would
cover
most
of
the
almost
entire
perimeter
of
the
island
and
I.
Just
want
to
point
out
as
well
that
on
the
north
west
side
of
end
of
the
parcel
of
the
island
is
where
the
best
view
of
the
falls
is,
which
means
people
would
probably
urge
to
go
there
anyway.
So
this
would
also
cover
that
point
on
the
east,
south
and
west
sides
of
the
island.
N
N
Another
topic
that
was
considered
was
the
case
of
people
ascending
from
the
bottom
up.
Who
would
need
to
be
able
to
access
the
Overlook
and
use
the
bridge
as
needed?
Considering
we
would
not
be
able
to
stop
people
from
coming
and
going
from
the
existing
trail.
That
comes
from
the
false
parking
lot.
We
will
leave
a
gate
as
indicated
for
access
as
an
option
as
well.
We
can
also
consider
leaving
an
opening
for
access
to
the
upper
portion
of
the
Hill.
N
We
do
think
that
if
people
do
Wonder
up
towards
the
upper
portion
of
that
Hill,
there's
also
another
existing
fencing
from
the
city
as
well.
On
the
a
little
bit
towards
the
North,
sorry
towards
the
the
east
side,
we
will
now
show
a
few
plans
and
details
that
were
developed
developed
after
the
visit.
N
So
on
this
page
you
can
see
several
details.
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
and
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
of
each
drawing
just
so
we
can
point
this
out
and
we
can
go
back
to
them
if
you
have
questions,
but
this
one
is
a
detailed
plan
showing
the
pedestrian
bridge
and
the
Overlook
with
the
stone
dust
pad
the
benches,
the
informational
plague
and
indication
of
the
perimeter
of
the
fence
or
surrounding
the
entire
Island
area.
N
Sorry
apologize
so
right
here
we
have
some
details
of
the
fencing
of
the
bridge
concrete
foundation.
We
have
details
for
the
pathway,
stone,
edging.
We
have
stone
dust
path,
details
section
through
the
Raceway
and
then
we
have
a
detail
of
the
extension
of
the
sidewalk
which
you'll
be
able
to
see
better
on
the
next
slide,
which
will
show
a
a
wider
plan
of
the
entire
project.
N
So
this
one
shows,
if
you
see
on
the
right
corner
right
part
of
the
drawing.
There
is
the
extension
of
the
sidewalk
which
connects
to
the
sidewalk
within
the
project
that
which
then
connects
to
the
pedestrian
bridge
and
the
Overlook
at
the
island.
With
all
the
details
that
we
have
provided
you
with
one.
L
Thing
if
I
may
add
Julia
is
that
the
extension
of
the
sidewalk
was
not
part
of
the
development
agreement,
but
together
with
the
CD
during
the
the
planning
boy
process,
we
discussed
how
much
better
would
be
for
the
community
to
have
that
safer
way
to
go
up
and
down
the
hill,
especially
considering
the
corner
so
visit
them
in
the
city
are
working
together
on
this
extension
and
I.
Think
that
also
makes
us
better
and
safer
path
to
the
Overlook
itself.
N
B
Okay,
looking
around
to
the
committee
there
any
questions
for
the
presenters
or
maybe
questions
or
comments
for
Lisa.
B
C
Yeah,
what
is
your
thought
on
the
design?
Well,
we
we
went
on
a
site
visit
and
we
ascended
from
the
bottom
up
to
the
top,
and
it
is
very
rough
and
and
but
it
is
also
clear
that
people
use
that
app.
C
There
was
evidence
that
people
don't
get
to
the
island
and
the
main
way
to
get
down
would
be
that
way,
because
otherwise
you'd
have
to
go
through
their
property.
You
can
go
into
the
Raceway,
it's
not
that
deep
in
crossover,
but
it's
private.
So
we're
really
looking
as
we
were
on
the
island
at
like.
Where
would
people
go
and
you
could
hear
the
water
it's
very
loud.
You
know,
so
the
best
view
is
really
down
towards
the
bottom
of
the
Raceway
down
toward.
Yes,
we're
close
to
where
that
that
is
it's
in
that.
C
So
you
know
to
confirm
we
felt
like
or
I
felt
like-
and
we
talked
about
this
as
a
group
to
confined
people
to
a
particular
area
they're
just
going
to
want
to
naturally
go
to
the
place
where
they
can
see
the
waterfall.
The
best
so
felt
that
it
was
in
general,
safer
to
have
the
whole
area
expense,
because
there's
a
lot
and
there's
fencing
all
through
the
Gorges
Parnell
has
put
in
fencing
all
through
the
gorges
and
then
the
state
parks.
C
You
can
see
this
fencing,
you
know
you
can
see
through
it,
but
you
know
it
protects
people
from
The
Edge
and
to
have
the
fencing
along
the
edge.
That
means
people
won't
try
to
go
around
it,
but
we
did
talk
about
keeping
access,
maybe
not
having
it,
but
you
know
promoted,
but
keeping
access
to
go
down
because
people
do
come
up
from
the
bottom
and
you
don't
want
people
to
try
to
go
over
there.
C
So,
given
all
the
limitations
of
that
site
felt
that
that
was
better
than
putting
them
in
a
small
area
and
trying
to
confine
people
to
that
small
area.
Because
again
the
sites
and
the
smells
and
the
sounds
of
the
water
you're
going
to
want
to
go.
A
C
So
by
by
actually
inviting
people
to
come
up
from
the
bottom,
are
we
actually
then
explicit,
implicitly
creating
a
trail
and
encouraging
people
to
come
up
from
the
bottom
I
mean
it
feels
then
like
the
natural
Next
Step
would
be
that
there
would
be
a
trail,
because
we're
we're
placing
this
as
a
destination
by
leaving
it
open.
Is
that
the
plan
that
was
it
was
a
leading.
The
decision
to
leave
it
open
was
more
in
response
to
how
it's
already
being
used
than
to
encourage
more
use
of
it.
C
That
way,
we
certainly
could
have
a
date,
and
there
certainly
could
be
a
gate.
It
could
be
locked
after
a
dark,
because
there's
vegetation
there
could
be
vegetation
in
front
of
it.
It's
just
it
was
thinking
about.
If
somebody
is
coming
out
from
the
bottom,
how
do
they?
What
do
they
do
when
they
get
to
the
Top
If?
They
run
into
a
fence,
and
that
might
be
more
dangerous
than
providing
it.
C
C
Okay,
that's
the
air
right
that
the
word
I
guess
Julia
was
showing
that
that's
the
best
view
of
the
falls
well
from
that
island,
and
so
that's
where
people
are
going
to
gravity
towards
looking
for
the
best
view
and
if
you
can
try
to
combine
them
which
the
other
project,
the
other
proposal
did
to
the
that
area.
You
know
throwing
a
fence
around
it.
Put
vegetation
around
it.
I
felt
like
people
would
try
to
get
out
of
that
area
and
go
to
where
they
could
see.
C
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I
really
do
appreciate
the
Insight
that
was
drawn
from
the
visiting
site
and
how
that's
had
an
impact.
B
We
have
a
question
about
the
so
I
assume
that
ADA
accessible
stone
dust
pack,
which
was
originally
there
in
the
rather
drawing
is,
is
that
implying
that
the
rest
of
that
site
may
not
be
Ada
accessible
and
just
wondering
if
there's
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
elevation
there
is
there
that
gets
in
the
way,
but
would
there
be
a
way
to
have
like
an
extended
path
or
like
it's
just
a
not
a
whole
area,
but
maybe
if
it
happened,
it
gets
to
the
places
where
there
might
be
views.
B
L
The
the
stone
dust
path
is
the
Ada
area,
where
people
will
be
able
to
go
in
a
better
and
safer
way.
The
there
are.
There
is
a
significant
elevation
change
across
the
rest
of
the
site,
so
we
are
proposing
still
keeping
the
benches
and
the
Ada
area
or,
as
originally
was,
which
is
closer
to
the
bridge,
but
still
allowing
the
whole
Space
more
open
for
people
to
wander
around,
but
not
necessarily
as
an
ADA
side.
B
Mayor,
Joe
question
comments.
Yes,.
C
Thank
you
following
up
on
your
question,
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
what
the
surface
area
is.
I
understand
the
stone
dust,
but
what
is
the
surface
area
on
the
rest
of
this
Overland.
L
It
will
remain
the
surface
that
it's
right
there
right
now.
We
will.
The
area
right
now
would
be
larger
than
we
originally
designed
and
discuss
on
the
development
agreement.
However,
we
discuss
as
a
team
and
we
are
willing
to
increase
the
amount
of
fence
as
part
of
our
proposal.
We
are
paying
for
that
and
we
will
maintain
this
larger
area
as
well
right
now,
but
we
would
keep
the
surface,
as
is
on
every
area,
that
it's
not
the
stone
dust
path.
C
C
C
Vegetation
there's
some
vegetation,
remember
that
area
and
now
let's
go
speak
to
this,
if
you
wanted
to,
it,
was
complete
but
everything's
completely
removed
from
that,
because
it
was
remediated.
But
now
there
is
some
vegetation,
only
the
hardiest
of
all
plants,
who
are
we
grouped
recolonizing
that
area
okay
yeah?
That
was
my
question.
B
A
C
C
I
think
it
also
would
be
helpful
speaking
to
a
few
of
the
comments
we
want
to
have
this
reviewed
by
a
digimon
City
staff,
particularly
Seth
in
the
city
attorney's
office,
to
understand
about
any
concerns.
B
B
Okay,
next
again,
discussion
item
we
had
added
to
the
amended
agenda.
It's
a
draft
of
the
policy
concept
right,
so
there's
a
lot
of
them.
E
B
Not
yet
known
or
not
yet
returning
things
in
this
but
I,
think
Lisa
and
others
Nels
will
join
us
now
are
looking
for
some
feedback
from
us
and
maybe
I'll
just
turn
it
over
to
you
too.
To
get
us
started.
C
Thanks
Rob,
so
Mel's
is
gonna
is
going
to
present
the
policy
vote
before
he
does
that,
for
the
benefit
of
everybody
watching
to
remind
us
all,
I'd
like
to
give
a
little
bit
remind
us
of
the
background
of
this
this
policy.
So
we
are
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
working
group
for
sanctioned
cabinets
on
city
property,
which
was
formed
by
the
mayor
or
late.
Last
year.
C
The
group
consists
of
Mike
Bourne,
the
superintendent
of
Works
Chief
of
Staff
Wells,
director
of
urban
renewal,
myself,
director
of
plenty
of
development
board,
representative
Jorge,
C,
pandini
and
first
board
Representatives,
Cynthia,
Barack
and
George
mcgon
I,
don't
want
to
remind
people
of
the
charge
of
the
group
which
was
to
one
develop
a
draft
policy
regarding
unsanctioned
campus
on
City
on
property,
including
a
recommended
methodology
for
policy
enforcement,
given
competing
demands
for
limited
City
resources
and
the
desire
not
to
criminalize
and
two
to
evaluate
and
recommend
that
any
city
land
is
currently
used
for
unsexioned
cabinets
should
be
repurposed
for
other
public
use
for
more
active
management,
both
of
those
both
of
those
one
issued
into
policy
address.
C
So
this
policy
doesn't
address
was
the
end
of
the
charge
which
says
the
following:
the
adoption
of
the
city
policy
regarding
the
sanctioning
campus,
the
city
on
City
owned
property.
The
working
group
will
recommend
appropriate
City
role
and
actions
to
assist
unsheltered
persons
experiencing
Metals
in
this
transition
to
shelter
in
a
state
of
us.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
the
policy
is
about
how
to
manage
city
property
and
not
addressing
people.
C
A
person
who's
experiencing
homelessness,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
about
some
of
the
things
we're
dealing
to
do
that
also
I
just
want
to
continue
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background.
We
have
been
meeting
for
about
since
late
last
year
and
please
anybody
on
the
committee
who's
here
wants
to
add.
Please
David.
C
We
did
seek
input
on
the
draft
policy
from
County
staff
from
the
service
providers
internally
from
different
city
departments.
We
also
worked
under
the
both
legal
and
ethical
idea
of
not
criminalizing
homelessness
and
particularly
looked
at
ninth
Circuit
Court
decision
Martin
versus
Boise,
which
holds
the
basically
sleeping
Outdoors,
cannot
be
criminalized
and
if
there
is
not
available.
C
As
we
got
into
the
the
policy,
we
realized
that
there
are
many
details
in
implementing
it
different
roles.
People
would
have
to
play
different
ways,
people
and
how
to
work
together.
That
would
take
a
lot
of
coordination
and
agreement,
and
so,
ultimately,
we
decided
to
bring
you
the
concept
of
the
policy
before
we
develop
those
detailed
parts
of
how
people
it
would
work
together
to
implement
the
policy.
So
that's
what
we're
bringing
to
you
tonight,
although
as
Nelson
trade
in
the
policy
we
do
have
talk
about
what
would
have
to
be
decided.
A
C
C
So
current
and
this
all
the
orange
hatched
property
on
this
map
is
city-owned
property.
It's
everything
so
Parks,
it's
the
facilities,
it's
uncategorized
land,
you're
interested
I,
do
have
a
map
that
categorizes
it
and
currently
the
city
does
not
prevent
or
discourage
camping
or
encampments
on
public
land.
Unless
there's
a
conflict
with
the
use
of
land
for
public
purpose,
City
staff
and
departments
are
taking
various
roles
in
managing
and
in
regarding
regarding
encampments,
including
the
following
things:
I
just
want
people
to
be
aware
of
the
interaction.
That's
not
already
have
living
candidates.
C
So
obviously,
if
a
fire
department
and
the
police
department
provide
emergency
services
to
folks
with
encampments
part
of
Public,
Works
has
gleaned
abandoned
cabinets
as
time
and
resources
compatible
allowed,
usually
winter
months.
These
have
at
times
assembled
and
distributed
hygiene
kits.
C
Bpw
has
provided
dumpsters
on
the
southwest
side
with,
and
this
is
the
Southwest
site
here
and
BBW
has
also
improved
roads,
mostly
on
the
southwest
side
here,
and
also
on
the
Burnley
Street
site
here,
to
provide
access
for
emergency
and
service
vehicles,
and
there
was,
there
have
been
a
few
cases
where
DPW
in
coordination
with
ipd
and
Outreach
workers
have
had
to
relocate
people,
in
particular.
The
one
that
particularly
comes
to
mind
is
on
the
southwest
side.
C
Here
when
we
had
to
build
the
watering
facility
on
the
location
where
the
water
ability
was
going
to
be,
there
were
people
camping,
and
so
this
is
a
long
process
to
reloading.
So
that
is
that
all
right,
so
as
we
again
just
remind
people,
this
is
a
policy
about
management
of
city
land,
but
I
did
want
to
remind
people
what
we
are
doing
to
address
the
last
part
of
the
charge,
which
was
to
assist
people
experiencing
homelessness.
C
C
You
have
your
voting
item
here,
which
would
be
to
provide
basic
hygiene
and
sanitary
facilities
at
the
Southwest.
Among
other
things,
the
city
makes
an
annual
contribution
to
the
Tompkins
County
Community
Housing
Development
Fund,
which
supports
Global,
affordable
and
Supportive
Housing.
We
are
working
with
Reach
Medical
to
identify
a
location
for
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
C
The
IRA
has
just
released
a
plan
to
distribute
home
ARP
funds
and
one
Flex
a
million
dollars
to
address
those
experienced
homelessness
who
are
at
risk
of
homelessness.
We
are
collaborating
with
the
county
and
continue
to
be
willing
to
do
that
on
addressing
this
problem
and,
of
course,
the
IRA
annual
action
plan
includes
lots
of
projects
that
address
those
experienced
homelessness.
F
Yeah
I
think
your
working
group
is
also
identified.
The
area
between
Brinley
and
seafood
alone
along
the
Waterway
is
an
area
that
would
be
better
used
as
a
public
area
for
for
a
recreation
use
or
a
pathway
with
that
kind
of
an
improvement
to
the
area
to
make
it
attractive
for
a
public
use
by
everyone
killed
39
to
100
people.
So
that's
one
who's,
the
property
that
the
working
groups
recommends
e
program
or
a
public
Recreation
mix
and.
C
F
Yeah,
when
we
will
get
there,
I
just
want
to
lay
up
here.
Looking
for
limited
guidance
here,
are
we
on
the
right
course
or
should
we
make
some
corrections?
Because
when
we
start
every
word
in
this
policy
has
three
different
interpretations
in
which
the
original
draft
was
a
lot
of
double
negative
and
complicated
governmental.
F
You
know
we're
trying
to
make
this
simpler
and
clearer
in
this
process
and
in
some
ways
I
may
ruffle
some
feathers,
but
we're
always
trying
to
work
around
the
edges
with
the
special
government
language,
but
this
is
trying
to
be
very
clear
with
the
goal
of
the
policy
is
and
how
it
would
be
recommended
for
implementation
right
now.
The
city
doesn't
allow
camping
anywhere
in
the
city
right
now,
so
there
is
a
law
that,
and
the
only
way
it's
in
the
growing
specifically
is
the
natural
areas.
It's
explicit
expressly
prohibited.
F
Otherwise,
it's
substitutionally.
We
don't
allow
campaign
anywhere
in
the
city
in
the
zones.
That's
the
framework
in
practice.
Nobody
knows
what
the
city
policy
is,
because
everybody
is
making
that
run
a
case-by-case
basis
and
City
staff
doesn't
know
how
to
respond
to
the
issues,
because
there's
no
clear
guidance
on
on
how
to
approach
these
issues.
So
that's
that's
what
working
committee
try
to
get
together
on
and
figure
out?
What
is
the
best
approach
to
this
issue?
F
The
background
also
is
that
the
number
of
people
who
are
on
shouldered
and
homeless
kids
growing
at
a
pretty
rapid
base,
so
there's
almost
240
people
in
February
who
work
in
the
shelter
and
that's
a
much
higher
number
than
we've
seen
in
Prior
years
and,
like
you
know,
like
that's,
going
to
result
with
more
people,
Outdoors
city
property.
So
it's
important
to
have
to
think
about
this
issue
because
it
can
get
it's
very
hard.
F
So
with
that
in,
in
the
great
background
from
Lisa,
there
are
some
kind
of
values
at
the
end
right
here,
one
of
them
in
my
scope,
an
old
criminalized
homelessness,
but
also
you
know
you
want
to
be
whole
people
for
your
behavior.
F
They
have
to
be
reflexable
and
respectful
for
their
neighbors
is
the
other
kind
of
core
learning
for
that.
It's
really
a
balance
between
the
City's
power
and
you
know,
obligation
to
protect
the
health
and
safety
and
general
welfare.
The
community
balance
is
adding
against
the
needs
of
vulnerable
homeless
persons,
and
there
are
people
who
cannot
get
into
the
shelter.
So
there
are
people
who
don't
have
options
other
than
camping
on
camping
Outdoors,
so
that
approached
the
city.
The
recommendation
is
to
create
three
categories
of
lands
of
the
city.
One.
F
E
F
Southwest
Park
and
that
area
is
about
security
Acres,
but
didn't
have
to
subtract
over
the
laundry
facility
and
some
of
the
DPW
operations.
They
are
operating
on
an
active,
clean,
fill
operation
where
they're
bringing
materials
from
streets
and
water
and
sewer
projects,
it's
clean
soil,
but
it's
it
needs
to
go
somewhere
while
you're
doing
the
project.
So
at
least
they're
showing
the
green
area
is
the
area
where
camping
would
be
allowed
under
the
proposed
framework.
Here
it.
E
F
Not
identify
the
specific
areas
within
there
where
there'll
be
one
Insight
is
because
I
would
not
be
an
area
allowed,
and
then
the
red
zone
is
the
prohibited
area
on
this
southwest
map,
not
showing
the
area
between
Cecil
Malone,
which
kind
of
Trends
up
against
an
h4o
Estates
and
going
north
towards
Tabor
and
Lily's
been
favor
and
Burnley
Street.
So
that's
showing
those
two
primary
areas.
Other
areas
are
in
the
Amber
Zone
and
those
areas
are
again
specifically
what
what
is
occurring
at
the
campsites.
F
The
other
area.
Besides
showing
these
two
areas
in
the
area-
that's
a
sidewalk,
a
right-of-way
City
facility,
a
park
in
the
city
are
also
included
in
areas
that
parking
is
prohibited.
We
haven't
had
historically
people
camping
on
those
areas
like,
for
example,
the
commons
we
have.
You
know
the
focus
has
been
in
the
West
End,
primarily,
which
is
we
want
to
clarify
the
area.
F
You
know
the
approach
for
those
two
areas,
so
those
are
the
zones
that
are
kind
of
like
the
recommended
approach
to
this
there's
been
a
real
question
with
this
full
policy
and
all
these
policies
that
involving
homes
and
cabinets.
How
do
you
go
about
enforcing
your
goals
or
your
objectives
for
what
you
want
to
tell
people
to
you
know
where
they
should
go
when
they
shouldn't
go
in.
One
area,
of
course,
is
to
make
sure
you
have
clear
Communications,
but
also
I,
think
it's
important
to
think
that
this
this
is
recommended.
F
The
city
had
a
very
approach
to
how
to
go
about
responding
in
campsites
in
these
different
areas.
So
in
the
Greenfield
again
we
say
we
communicate
that
it's
an
area
of
a
record
many
of
the
useful
camping
for
people
who
are
homeless
and
don't
have
other
choices.
It
would
go
to
another
step
and
bring
in
some
basic
sanitary
and
hygiene
facilities
like
a
trailer
with
hot
showers
and
bathrooms,
as
well
as
a
dumpster
with
regular
service
for
garbage
collection
and.
H
F
F
Don't
go
and
leave
people
alone,
essentially,
if
you're
kidnapping
and
they're
having
done
some
other
issues,
we
have
some
other
issue.
We
want
the
police
to
provide
protection
in
that
area
like
they
would
in
any
other
part
of
the
city,
so
respond
to
complaints
and
and
work
with
victims
and
suspects
for
living
in
the
same
way,
whether
they're,
homeless
or
or
have
homes.
F
The
Amber
areas,
the
area
where,
where
it's
a
little
gray,
is
there's
a
lot
of
lands
that
haven't
been
here
for
camping
in
the
city,
and
we
don't
know
where,
if
we're
going
to
see
a
bigger
demand
for
that.
But
the
idea
here
is
that
you're
not
going
to
be
well
the
city's
not
going
to
use
a
lot
of
its
resources
for
enforcement
in
this
area,
just
because
nobody's
in
the
camping
area.
It's
a
big
trigger
a
behavior
kind
of
issue
or
a
problem
in
the
area,
so
it
could
be
bonfires.
F
It
could
be
that
that
somebody
has
let
facilities
get
to
grow
with
a
lot
of
debris
that
spreads
out
all
over.
It
could
be
hiking
issues
they're
listed
in
that
section
on
4B
of
criteria.
That
would
require
a
response
from
the
city,
but
otherwise,
if
somebody
is
quietly
camping
in
one
of
these
areas,
it's
probably
not
we're
recommended.
It's
not
a
priority
for
the
city
to
move
for
enforcement
covers
I.
F
F
It
has
historically
been
a
campsite
that
has
generated
a
lot
of
complaints
from
Neighbors
and
so
the
cities
approach.
That
would
be
several
approaches.
One
would
be,
what
can
the
city
who
can
manage
that
property
to
make
it
a
better
use
for
public
use,
but
also,
potentially,
in
the
short
term,
prevent
people
from
setting
up
campsites
there
and
resetting
resetting
cancer?
We
have
a
very
seasonal
approach
for
campaign,
so
the
winner,
a
lot
of
people
who
are
taking
advantage
of
cold
weather
policy
and
going
to
shelter
which
ends
up
with
hotel
stays.
F
F
We
also
have
to
be
in
that
barriers
that
impacted,
but
in
a
Red
Zone
we're
suggesting
that
if
there's
going
to
be
an
area,
we
want
to
try
to
use
voluntary
efforts
whenever
possible,
but
in
the
red
area
the
city
makes
it
a
priority
that
they
should
be
camping.
That's
an
area
where
somebody
is
most
likely
being
to
encounter
law
enforcement
requesting
them
to
relocate
under
that
area.
F
When
we
talk
about
to
be
their
approach,
was
kind
of
a
a
recurring
visit
is
the
approach
they
would
probably
take
under
most
circumstances
is
a
frequent
recurring
visit
is
to
ask
people
to
move,
is
essentially
a
framework
that
is.
F
And
then
the
final
part
of
this
process,
which
you
didn't
flesh
out
when
we
think
are
really
important
components,
is
alluded
to.
What
are
the
role
of
the
stakeholders
in
this
policy?.
F
Clarify
all
those
issues,
among
others
and
then
also
work
with
particular
care
and
others
who
have
the
Outreach
workers,
who
are
very
critical
players
and
and
working
to
reduce
homelessness,
but
also
have
great
strong
relationships
with
people
who
are
are
on
children
and
can
work
with
them
to
best
buying
them
access
to
plugs
and
services,
and
they
feel
it's
very
important
to
keep
a
strong
relationship
going.
So
we
want
to
try
it,
and
what
we've
learned
is
that
people
do
not
want
to
have
interactions
with
law
enforcement.
F
They
can
avoid
they're
looking
for
the
safety,
primarily
as
their
goal
and
so
they're
they're,
driven
to
limit
the
various
ridiculous
savings,
as
well
as
access
to
services
and
resources
in
the
community.
So
the
areas
that
we
think
we
still
need
a
lot
of
fleshing
out
are
kind
of
the
roles
of
stakeholders
of
Public
Communication
plan.
What's
the
actual
internal,
considering
response
to
an
eye
compliance
and
then
so
you
know,
the
procedure
that
would
be
used
here
is
a
need
for
a
decommissioning
or
relocation
of
a
campsite.
F
B
Okay,
so
thank
you.
Nels
Thank,
you
Lisa,
I,
think
that
was
very
helpful.
So
why
don't
we
open
it
up
to
the
group
and
I
see
the
mayor
has
a
comment
and
we
can
go
from
Darren
and.
C
C
Thank
you
and
then
the
the
working
group
City
staff
council
members
for
we're
working
on
this
very
complex
and
challenging
issue.
It
is
a
complex
and
challenging
issue,
but
it's
not
unique
in
dealing
with
this
challenge.
What
the
working
group
has
put
forward
represents
many
many
meetings,
a
lot
of
work,
a
lot
of
them
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
this
is
pilot
policy.
C
I
think
Niles
mentioned
that
we
will
certainly
learn
from
this.
We
will
get
some
things
right
and
we
will
get
some
videos
that
we
need
to
adjust
and
some
of
those
adjustments
may
be
possible
to
do
within
the
span
of
this
next
year,
but
certainly
by
the
end
of
the
year,
we
will
have
learned
a
great
deal.
C
I
did
want
to
comment
on
the
the
green
zone
and
to
again
emphasize
that
this
is
a
temporary
response
to
unhoused
in
our
city,
and
these
initiatives
are
in
partnership
with
efforts
to
continue
to
promote
the
construction
of
more
housing
and
especially
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
That
has
been
indicated
by
the
Continuum
on
Twitter,
and
we
will
hear
a
presentation
a
bit
later
this
evening
that
points
to
the
need
for
more
permanent
Supportive
Housing
internal
life.
C
Thing
we
want
to
do
is
see
people
who
are
unhoused
having
placed
to
stay
and,
if
not
being
successful
and
returning
to
being
unhoused.
So
we
don't
want
to
see
that
cycle
and
that's
why
it
is
so
important
to
work
with
other
partners
on
developing
permanent,
Supportive,
Housing
and
giving
interim.
We
know
there
is
a
need-
and
we
are
looking
to
respond
to
this
very
complex
issue
and
in
the
green
zone.
That's
identified
here
and
has
been
pointed
out.
C
C
Requires
a
multi-pronged
response-
and
this
is
one
very
important
initial
initiative,
initial
response,
so
I
I
just
want
to
amend
the
working
group.
Listen
if
this
word
easy
challenge
to
address
an
easy
issue
to
solve,
it
would
have
been
done.
We
have
talked
about
this
concern
in
the
city
for
four
years.
This
is
not
the
first
working
group.
C
This
is
not
the
first
time
that
we
have
tried
to
really
get
our
heads
and
arms
wrapped
around
a
response,
but
we
do
know
that
the
issue
is
growing
and,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
there's
some
seasonality
here
and
we
have
an
opportunity,
and
this
policy
represents
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
a
really
really
challenging
issue,
so
I
wanted
it
better.
C
C
Speeding
upside
down
I
want
to
thank
you,
but
I
have
a
few
questions
in
the
comments
for
one
you
did
say
as
of
now.
C
It
is
not
it's
clearly
going
soon
on
these
other
Saints
in
Canada
right,
it's
law.
Somebody
said
there
that
I
kind
of
missed
it
right
now,
it's
against
Liverpool,
yeah,.
C
F
We'll
need
to
consult
with
the
city
attorney
on
on
how
to
move
forward
in
that
particular
issue,
but
the
Doug
Martin
versus
Boise
law
talks
about
a
law
and
then
we're
in
areas
where
you
don't
enforce
it
when
there
are
no
choices
where
people
are
homeless.
So
it's
this
there's
kind
of
a
Nuance
there
that
yeah
the
law
on
these
still
be
in
place,
but
but
it's
suspended
for
enforcement
as
long
as
there
are
no
other
choices
for
people
around
the
students
who
can't
okay,
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
complicated.
K
C
People
can
well
anyway,
that's
that's
a
whole
nother.
Another
question
is
okay.
That
I
think
that
was
the
important
one.
My
also
question
and
concern
with
some
comments
that.
C
C
But
I
hope
that
this
is
not
about
pushing
people
out
of
sight
out
of
mind
right
and
one
thing.
Another
concern
is
about
the
enforcement
piece
and
yeah
I.
Think
that's
it
for
right
now,
but
I
think
Teresa
said
most
of
what
I
would
like
to
say
and
she's
been
at
it.
C
G
C
Particularly
about
the
fans
that
offense
is
not
the
perfect
solution
and
it's
a
temporary
thing
and.
F
Of
Commerce
building
it
has
to
do
with
keeping
that
area
free.
F
On
harassment,
one
individual
was
bitten
by
a
dog
that
was
living
in
the
encampment.
C
C
So
the
purpose
of
the
fence,
in
my
opinion,
is
to
give
the
city
time
to
really
clean
that
area
up
and
and
repurpose
it
and
before
there
was
two
years
ago
noted
games
there.
It
was
a
great
shortcut
from.
F
C
No
I
plan
to
I
never
felt
welcome.
Maybe
so,
but
now
I
know
it's
my
responsibility.
E
C
F
State
Street,
basically
it's
it's
been
really
rough
throughout
all
part
of
the
city,
not
to
mention
many.
C
C
I
got
messages
already
they
like
me.
No,
what
but
this
person
they
are
concerned
that
blocking
the
past
forces
pedestrian
into
the
street
on
chamber
and
Cherry
Street.
It
was
short-sighted
and
something
you
know
like
it
blocks.
The
path
is
what
it
is
true
and,
and
it
cuts
off
and
people
will
have
to
walk
through
the
streets.
I
mean
walk
in
traffic
or
something
well,
and
so
they
are.
Some
people
are
worried.
Now,
they're
gonna
have
to
walk
by
the
our
house.
E
C
Well,
they
talk
they're
speaking
for
our
house.
Actually,
other
people
know
I
can't
look
at
your
phone.
E
C
B
C
B
C
B
Okay,
so
just
in
the
effort
to
move
us
along
so
Nelson
and
Lisa,
what
more
would
you
like
from
us
tonight
to
signal
that
we
are
giving
at
least
enough
of
a
go
ahead
that
you
feel
like
you
can
continue
to
develop
out
the
draft
policy
or
the
concept
and
and
in
particular,
I
think
you
asked
about
whether
spending
some
time
on
those
future
sections
is
warranted.
F
Probably
the
biggest
question
is:
is
a
red
and
green
and
Amber
classification
of
city
land,
the
basic
or
going
forward
with
the
policy
again
with
the
real
emphasis
that
we
don't
want
to
create
a
policy
the
city's
not
willing
to
enforce.
You
know
creative
policy.
We
should,
as
all
as
many
human
communities
have
said,
if
you're
not
willing
to
enforcement
policies
now
where
to
development.
So
this
one
does
say
that
there's
an
area
appropriate
for
camping
and
areas
that
are
inappropriate,
then
a
large.
You
know
many
properties
are
also
kind
of
like
racism,
so
I.
B
B
D
C
The
the
working
group
has
heard
me
I'm,
very
reluctant
about
the
Amber
Zone
and
not
having
a
clear
understanding
whether
the
Amber
zone
is
also
sort
of
provides
some
apprehension,
I'm
also
kind
of
hesitant
in
in
the
way
this
is
written
because
it
does
say
explicitly
that
law
enforcement
would
be
sort
of
the
first
interaction
that
individuals
would
expect
they're,
most
likely
to
encounter
law
enforcement
requesting
campsite
location
on
a
recurring
basis.
C
F
Important
I
think
we
want
to
try
voluntary
efforts
first
everywhere,
okay,
but
just
trying
to
be
very
clear
that
if
you're
in
a
Red
Zone,
that's
an
area
where
you're
most
likely
to
encounter
law
enforcement,
ask
me
to
rebuild
you.
E
F
So
I
think
that's
a
great
clarification
of
it
to
emphasize
I
think
we're
always
going
to
want
to
try
volunteer
workers
first,
yes,
which
could
include
asking
Norwich
workers
to
play
that
role
or
sitting
employees
to
play
that
role.
You
know
that's
where
we
have
to
clarify
the
role
question.
What
do
we
want
to
ask
or
which
workers
to
do
and
literally
or
to
whoever
don't
set
up?
C
So
I
think
highlighting
that
and
and
in
this
version
I
don't
see
inclusion
of
the
parks
and.
C
E
C
True
yeah,
it's
limited
to
partner
use
for
City
use
for
public
or
Municipal
functions,
including
without
limited
to
Parks,
roads
right
of
ways,
sidewalks
adjacent
tremonts,
multi-use
trials,
economic
control
effect
that
we
haven't
had
problems
in
these
areas.
Right
or
we
haven't
had
encampments
in
these
areas,
but
we
don't
want.
We
really
want
enchantments
in
the
products.
Okay,
yes,
it
does
say
the
page
two,
yes
thank
you.
I
was
looking
at
the
other
okay.
C
G
A
B
Thank
you,
Lisa
and
also
this
is
a
lot
of
work
and
we're
happy
to
have
you
there
helping
guy
in
that
room
and
thanks
to
our
other
colleagues
here
who
are
on
the
working
brief
as
well:
yeah,
yeah,
okay!
So
next
up
is:
oh
look:
we're
going
to
move
to
voting
items
exactly
yes
anyone's
good.
You
know
really
wanting
to
vote
on
something.
B
This
is
authorization
for
funds
from
the
receipt
restrictive
contingency.
So
can
I
ask
if
someone
is
willing
to
move
that?
Okay,
Cynthia.
C
Eighty
seven
hundred
percent
purchase
fancy
materials
to
be
erected
on
the
city-owned
friendly
Street
property.
The
purpose
of
the
fencing
is
to
limit
access
to
the
property
and
prevent
reestablishment
of
campsites
on
this
sensitive
site
during
2023.,
staff
will
strive
to
develop
a
design
and
program
for
the
site
of
inspirational
and
public
use
now,
therefore,
be
resolved
at
common
Council,
thereby
releases
up
to
73
700
from
account
a
1990,
restricted
contingency
and
transfers.
The
funds
to
the
appropriated
account
for
the
purpose
of
funding
these
activities
for
2023.
C
C
B
So
any
questions
so
this
is
I,
can
I
assume
that
these
numbers
are
going
to
be
the
numbers
that
will
go
forward
if
this
is
going
to
go
to
council
for
May
3rd.
Is
that
the
idea
correct.
B
Got
it
so
is
there
any
chance
that
they.
C
C
F
F
B
F
Residential
neighborhood,
it
doesn't
have
very
many
access
points
for
recreation
use
and
that
trail,
which
was
an
old
railroad
route,
already
has
a
trail
system
in
it.
But
it's
not
a
great
Trail.
It's
just
kind
of
a
stone
dust.
It's
a
little
bit
uneven
and
that
could
be
a
really
nice
amenity
for
the
neighborhood
to
and
get
and
reestablish
that
that
shortcut,
I,
guess
walkway.
H
C
So,
with
this
release
of
funds,
is
this
going
to
be
directly
operated
and
managed
by
City
staff,
or
is
there
an
RFP
that
will
go
out
to
have
other
people
manage
this
area?.
F
Figure
out
exactly
how
those
trailers
would
work
if
it's
funding
for
10
months.
Maybe
if
you
need
an
internal
stacking,
then
you
know
it
translates
to
their
Network
headlines.
We
need
to
move
into
the
cold
weather
policy.
You
know
by
November,
so
maybe
it's
more
important
to
ask
for
Staffing
with
those
trailers
when
they're
at
the
site-
and
maybe
that
has
to
come
from
this
allocation-
and
it's
I
think
that
some
of
the
details
are
not
worked
out
in
terms
of
how
it
would
operate
and
who
would
actually
operate
for
the
service.
F
We
have
a
position
funded
in
the
city
for
a
homeless.
Outreach
coordinator
can
play
a
role
as
well,
so
there's
a
lot
of
I
think
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
plumbing
is
not
the
obstacle
to
get
this
moving
by
releasing
the
funding
you
can.
At
least
you
know,
work
through
those
issues,
but
we'll
be
Continuum
issues.
It's
a
little
bit
late
for
the
policy.
It's
going
to
be
a
pilot,
they
have
to
learn
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work,
but
the
idea
is
to
bring
in
the
trailer
to
the
site.
F
C
E
B
Nails
I
think
you're
gonna
present
introduce
thank
you
yeah.
This.
Do
we
have
another
guest
too
or
is
it
the
agenda?
Berger.
F
They're
going
to
be
presenting
and
going
over
a
brief
summary
of
the
home
together
accounting
plan.
What
is
the
plan
to
address
on
sheltered
homelessness,
as
well
as
expressing
for
severe
service
needs?
It's
a
planet
and
endorsed
by
the
IRA
and
the
IRA
is
recommended
economy
the
same
as
was
alluded
to
earlier.
F
Unless
this
is
a
complex
issue
and
to
really
make
progress
on
it,
it
requires
multiple
agencies
and
Australian
singing
on
board,
and
this
is
a
plan
that
that
could
coordinate
those
efforts
and
bring
together
the
resources
that
are
necessary
to
have
to
make
progress
on
minimizing
potential
of
homelessness
and
so
I.
Think
Lydia
is
ready
to
walk
through
those
slides
very
quickly
and
be
available
to
answer
questions
afterwards.
C
Hi,
thank
you
everyone
good
evening.
My
name
is
Libby
Barger.
Are
you
she
her
pronouns
I'm,
the
director
of
housing
initiatives
at
Human,
Services
Coalition
and
the
coordinator
of
the
Continuum
of
Care
I'm
here
with
Simone
Gatson,
who
will
introduce
themselves
in
a
moment
next
slide?
Please
we're
going
to
go
fast,
but
we
want
to
get
as
much
as
we
as
we
can.
C
C
So
we
wanted
to
okay,
so
in
2021,
the
city
of
Ithaca,
Tompkins
County
and
the
Continuum
of
Care
engaged
horn
research
to
do
a
really
deep
dive
into
our
local
data
and
produce
a
pretty
comprehensive
needs.
Assessment,
homeless
and
housing
needs
assessment
for
Tompkins
County.
C
It
revealed
some
really
interesting,
both
qualitative
and
quantitative
data
and
formed
the
basis
of
basically
a
Year's
worth
of
committee.
Work
focused
on
the
findings
of
that
homeless
and
housing
needs
assessment
and
the
Continuum
of
Care
has
committees.
We
were
a
membership
agency
with
participation
from
a
wide
array
of
not-for-profits
and
other
stakeholders,
all
working
together,
contributing
to
this
plan
it.
We
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
aligned
with
the
federal
strategic
plan
to
end
homelessness,
which
used
to
be
called
home
together.
C
It
actually
has
a
new
name,
it's
called
all
in,
but
we
we're
still
called
home
together
here
in
Tompkins
and
that's
the
United
States
interagency
Council
on
homelessness
strategic
plan.
It
is
all
based
in
evidence
and
asserts
that
housing,
first
philosophy
and
approach
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
today
is
sort
of
the
foundation
of
a
good
solution
to
end
home
business.
We
also
wanted
to
respond
to
the
public
health
emergency
that
is
homelessness
with
a
bit
of
an
emergency
response
style
set
of
interventions.
C
While
we
assert
that
the
data
shows
us
that
our
population
of
people
experiencing
homelessness
are
experiencing
health
issues,
and
especially
people
who
are
unsheltered
or
experiencing
chronic
homelessness
or
fall
into
this
group
of
people
who
have
severe
service
needs,
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
later
next
slide.
C
Here
we
are
we're
going
to
talk
about
people
with
severe
service
needs,
so
HUD
how?
How
traditionally
has
focused
on
people
experiencing
literal
homelessness
right?
So
that's
people
who
are
sleeping
in
a
place
not
meant
for
human
habitation
or
in
an
emergency
shelter
paid
for
by
a
charity
or
public
entity.
C
They're
all
listed
there
on
the
slide
for
you
to
read,
but
the
reason
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
plan
used
the
severe
service
needs
language
is
that
it
really
was
more
inclusive
of
the
population
of
people
that
we're
seeing
in
our
system,
doing
returning
to
homelessness,
experiencing
chronic
homelessness
and
also
experiencing
some
of
those
other
public
health
or
health,
related
emergencies
and
they're
vulnerable
to
literal
death
right.
C
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
to
plan
that
response
to
people
who
weren't
just
literally
homeless
right
now,
but
supported
people
who
had
a
high
vulnerability
for
homelessness
in
the
future
or
a
history
of
homelessness
in
the
past.
C
The
other
thing
we
found
about
our
population
of
people
with
severe
service
needs
is
that
better
included
our
five
pox
folks
in
our
system.
So
when
we
only
looked
at
our
unsheltered
population,
we
were
leaving
out
a
good
portion
of
the
population
that
we
would
want
to
serve
with
a
comprehensive
plan.
C
The
real
true
like,
if
you
learn
or
think
about
one
concept
of
this,
if
you
wanted
to
sum
it
all
down
to
one
concept,
this
whole
plan
is
based
in
a
concept
called
housing.
First.
Housing
first
is
an
evidence-based
approach.
C
There
has
been
probably
10
full
years
worth
of
data
on
outcomes
for
housing
first,
at
this
point
all
across
the
country
in
all
different
kinds
of
populations,
which
basically
asserts
that
all
persons
are
housing,
ready
that
the
the
sort
of
style
of
merit-based
or
treatment-based
housing
pathway
is
harmful
and
does
not
disrupt
the
cycles
that
we
are
hoping
to
disrupt
and
that
you
can
end
a
person's
homelessness
by
serving
them
with
housing
first
and
then
wrap
around
those
Services
there's.
C
A
second
part
there's
like
underpinning
the
housing
first
approach
is
a
forgotten
second
sentence,
which
we
do
want
to
talk
about
throughout
this
project,
which
is
housing
first
Services.
Second
right,
so
housing
curse
was
never
designed
or
intended
to
be
an
approach,
a
philosophy,
intervention
that
just
puts
High
needs
people
into
housing
and
walks
away
right.
Services
were
always
intended
to
be
part
of
housing.
First,
it
would
not
be
a
housing
first
program
if
there
were
not
robust,
Supportive
Services
available
for
a
person
in
housing.
C
C
The
strategies
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
today
and
have
talked
about
probably
ad
nauseam
to
many
of
you,
is
to
increase
our
stock
permanent
Supportive
Housing
permanent
Supportive
Housing
is
housing
that
people
do
not
have
preconditions
for
entry.
So
there's
no
requirements
about
a
length
of
time
sober
what
whatever
just
engagement
with
mental
health,
no
preconditions
to
entry
and
that
it's
there's
not
a
Time
limitation
on
the
state.
They
can
stay
as
long
as
they
need
to
those
Services
get
wrapped
around.
C
We
also
recommend
expanding
our
emergency
shelter
capacity,
both
kind
of
in
size
and
expanding
the
the
approach
and
capacity
to
serve
people
and
meet
people
where
they
are
in
our
system.
We
have
a
plan
to
organize
and
Implement
a
housing
surge.
This
plan
also
does
seek
to
address
some
of
the
staff
shortages
that
we're
seeing
across
the
system
in
human
services
and
especially
in
the
homeless
response
system
and
generally
improve
people's
access
to
resources
next
slide.
C
What
what
do
we
want
to
achieve
with
this
plan?
So
obviously
our
number
one
goal
would
would
be
to
this
really
is
a
homeless
response
plan
right,
so
we're
not
we're
not
setting
goals
that
are
outside
of
that
sort
of
homeless
response
system
world.
We
want
to
see
people
in
permanent
housing
destinations.
We
want
to
reduce
the
number
of
people
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness
and
the
number
of
people
experiencing
chronic
homelessness.
C
In
our
system,
we
have
sort
of
an
abnormally
high
percentage
of
people
in
our
system
who
are
experiencing
chronic
homelessness,
which
has
a
very
specific
definition
but
guarantees
that
that
person
on
also
has
a
disability.
So
that
means
that
we
have
a
high
number
of
people
who
have
disabilities
and
are
experiencing
homelessness
for
long
periods
of
time
in
our
system,
and
we
would
like
to
reduce
that.
C
We
would
also
like
to
see
improved
Health
outcomes
for,
for
all
those
folks,
the
people
of
severe
service
needs
heavy
utilizers,
as
people
call
them
in
the
system.
So
we
want
to
reduce
the
number
of
interactions
that
people
are
having
with
First
Responders
law
enforcement,
emergency
medical
Folks
by
stabilizing
them
in
housing,
where
they're
less
likely
to
have
need
for
those
services
and
another
really
critical.
Part
of
the
plan
is
to
improve
relationships
across
the
community
to
engage
in
a
positive
way
around
the
issue
of
People
experiencing
homelessness.
C
J
J
So
this
is
the
plan
in
its
entirety.
It's
a
big
plan,
but
the
most
critical
and
first
piece
of
the
plan
is
really
building
and
increasing
access
to
housing.
J
So
you
can't
have
housing
first
system
or
a
functional
one
without
access
to
housing,
so
I'm
really
focusing
on
building
our
stock
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
so
housing
that
is
permanent,
that
people
can
enter
into
and
have
wrap
around
supports
after
entry
and
housing
that
people
can
afford.
The
next
is
a
low
barrier,
shelter
kind
of
removing
a
lot
of
preconditions
that
comes
along
with
our
shelter.
J
That's
really
compliant
based
and
really
focusing
on
a
trauma-informed
approach
to
safety,
so
that
people
can
move
inside
and
improve
their
health
outcomes,
get
connected
to
housing
and
hopefully,
exit
homelessness
as
quickly
as
possible.
Number
three
part
talking
about
exiting
people
from
the
homelessness
as
quickly
as
possible.
We
would
recommend
using
a
Housing
search
strategy
to
quickly
move
people
into
housing
and
or
shelter.
J
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
strategy
and
how
it
works,
but
essentially
what
it
involves
is
bringing
together
all
of
the
stakeholders
that
are
needed
to
move
someone
into
housing
so
bringing
together
property
owners
and
people
who
run
the
different
vouchers
in
our
community
and
Outreach
workers
and
people
have
experience
of
homelessness
and
really
making
a
plan
to
move
those
people
into
those
into
that
housing
with
the
funding
source
as
quickly
as
possible
to
end
the
trauma,
the
emergency
that
is
homelessness
as
quickly
as
possible.
This
is
often
times
a
strategy.
J
That's
used
for
natural
disaster
situations
to
think
when
there's
a
hurricane
that
hits
and
a
lot
of
people
are
displaced
from
their
homes,
housing
surges
are
traditionally
used.
In
those
scenario,
videos
to
help
move
those
people
into
whatever
their
housing
options
make
sense
for
them.
During
that
natural
disaster.
J
The
next
component
is
incentive
program.
So
when
we
talk
about
relationship
building
and
really
serving
the
community
as
well,
it's
been
impacted
by
the
growth
of
unsheltered
homelessness.
J
The
first
would
be
mitigation
funds
and
kind
of
a
landlord
liaison
position
for
business
owners
and
landlords
who
are
serving
people
with
severe
service
needs
so
kind
of
mitigation
funds
for
incidences
where
there
might
be
theft
or
damage
to
the
unit
and
really
helping
to
make
up
for
some
of
those
loss
of
funds
of
Revenue.
The
next
is
other
incentives
for
community
members.
J
I
will
go
too
far
into
those,
but
it
just
kind
of
Highly
localized,
some
things
that
we've
heard
in
our
community
that
people
are
really
concerned
about
in
regards
to
the
encampments,
easy
access,
move-in
packages
and
assistance
for
people
moving
from
homeless,
to
house
so
really
trying
to
take
kind
of
the
overwhelm
and
the
complexity
of
moving
into
a
new
space
and
not
having
everything.
You
need
to
be
successful
into
that
space.
J
J
So
that
was
my
really
fast
description
of
that
I
did
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
our
racial
Equity
metrics
that
we
include
in
our
plan.
J
So,
as
you
see
on
the
graphic
on
the
right,
we
have
a
stark
over
a
representation
of
bypoc
in
our
people
or
a
population
of
people
experiencing
sheltered
homelessness
and
unsheltered
homelessness
and
lady
kind
of
mentioned
this
earlier.
But
this
is
a
plan
where
we're
trying
to
have
the
most
inclusive
definition
of
who
we're
serving
with
this
and
also
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
are
serving
this
population
proportionate
to
their
experiences
of
homelessness.
So
we
do
have
several
racial
Equity
metrics
that
are
included
in
the
actual
plan
itself.
J
If
you
go
through
kind
of
the
different
sections
that
I
talked
about,
that
kind
of
make
sure
that
we
are
serving
that
population
proportional
to
their
experiences
of
homelessness,
and
that's
just
a
really
important
part
of
what
we're
doing
here.
So
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
a
few
data
points.
J
So
the
data
in
our
community
says
the
people
who
are
leaving
to
Temporary
destinations
are
much
more
likely
to
return
to
homelessness
than
those
who
are
exiting
to
permanent
destinations,
which
is
why
we
have
this
emphasis
on
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
as
opposed
to
transitional
housing.
That
has
some
sort
of
end
date
where
that
person
needs
to
move
out
of
that
housing
into
something
else,
so
permanent,
Supportive,
Housing
Works
for
our
community.
What
does
the
data
say
globally?
J
So
when
we're
thinking
about
a
housing
first
approach,
what's
the
evidence
behind
it?
You
can
see
in
the
research
the
research
that
I
cited
here,
that
you
can
see
of
reduced
average
health
care
costs
by
about
five
thousand
dollars
per
participant
over
the
course
of
each
year
that
they
followed
them
for
three
years,
so
Savings
of
about
five
thousand
dollars
per
person
that
you
do
in
incorporate
that
housing
first
model
into
their
experience
of
homelessness
and
then.
Finally,
what
does
the
data
say?
J
You
save
1.44
for
every
dollar
that
you
invest
in
the
housing
first
system,
so
we're
not
asking
for
money
with
this
plan.
That's
not
part
of
the
endorsement!
It's
not
part
of
wired
here,
but
we
do
have
a
plan
for
funding
it
with
sources
and
different
grants
that
are
outside
of
our
communities
so
for
every
dollar
that
we're
able
to
bring
into
this
community
to
integrate
into
a
truly
housing.
J
First
system:
we're
going
to
save
this
community,
a
dollar
and
44
cents
on
average,
for
every
dollar
that
we
do
invest
in
housing
first,
so
it's
an
evidence-based
system.
It
works
for
our
folks
and
it
is
also
less
expensive
offensive
for
the
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
for
the
larger
Community,
the
societal
costs
for
us
to
integrate
housing.
First
honestly,
the
Housing
search
process
I
already
talked
about
it
a
lot.
J
Let
me
know
if
you
have
any
questions
about
it,
but
can
be
the
partners
identifying
all
those
resources
and
then
basically
meeting
people
where
they're
at
and
saying
look.
We
have
a
unit
ready
for
you
and
it
has
these
wraparound
supports
with
it.
J
Would
you
be
interested
in
entering
and
then
kind
of,
Expediting,
the
rehousing
process
and
making
sure
the
documentation
is
really
easy
and
accessible
for
people
to
fill
out
and
then
implementing
it
and
following
people
through
their
new
housing
and
just
making
sure
they
have
all
the
sports
they
need
to
stay
in
the
housing?
J
J
This
is
kind
of
what
we'll
need
for
each
section
of
this,
which
is
also
in
your
packet.
So
I
won't
go
too
far
into
that.
We
also
have
some
additional
Flyers
that
kind
of
talk
about
data
findings
and
talk
about
the
outcomes
that
we
hope
to
find
with
this
plan,
but
those
should
also
be
in
your
packets,
so
I'm
going
to
stop
right
there
and
see
if
you
have
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Great
well
thank
you,
Simone
thanking,
Libby
and
also
Nell.
B
So
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
resolution
to
endorse
this
plan,
and
so,
if
you're
forgive
me
to
move
it
and
I'm
going
to
just
skip
down
to
the
last
two,
whereas
is
to
highlight
that,
and
then
we
can
jump
into
discussion
how's
that
so,
whereas
under
the
rules
of
procedure
become
a
council,
we're
authorized
to
accept,
endorse
or
adopt
a
plan
where
acceptance
acknowledges
receipt
and
thinks
it's
all
their
endorsement
is
defined
to
mean
it
concurs
in
the
plant's
findings
and
or
recommendations.
B
An
adoption
is
defined
to
me.
It
commits
itself
to
implementing
a
plans
recommendations,
whereas
on
March
23rd
2023,
the
urban
renewal
agency,
I
Ura,
endorsed
discipline
and
recommended
common
Council
endorse
the
plan
now,
therefore,
being
resolved
on
recommendation
of
the
iura
that
the
city
of
common
Council
Council
hereby
endorses
the
Ithaca
pumpkins
Tompkins
Continuum
of
cares
home
together
Tompkins
plan
to
reduce
unshelf
your
homelessness
and
be
a
further
resolve.
B
This
endorsement
does
not
constitute
an
obligation
of
the
common
Council
to
fund
any
specific
initiative
or
project
contained
in
the
plan,
and
I
knew
that
and
sent
Diego
a
second,
and
so
now,
if
we
have
any
questions,
that
would
be
a
good
time
for
that.
G
C
Thank
you
for
laughing
presentation,
but
thank
you
very
much,
my
my
Lucerne,
not
even
a
concern
I
mean
for
me.
It's
like
whatever
works,
encampments,
whatever
we
need
to
do.
E
C
C
I
love
to
talk
about
housing
first,
but
I
won't
stay
here
all
night
to
talk
about
it,
I
will
say:
I
would
be
delighted
to
share
like
tons
as
much
or
as
little
information
on
resources
as
you
are
interested
in
hearing
about
housing
first,
because
I
do
know.
Recently
I've
been
a
fortunate
to
attend
some
like
workshops
and
stuff
with
other
practitioners
who
work
in
the
homeless
response
system
and
have
heard
like
stories.
C
If
that's
of
interest
to
people
the
it's
a
culture
shift
and
it's
a
belief,
it's
it's
sort
of
housing
first
asserts
that,
like
we
as
a
system,
can
support
the
needs
of
people
and
that
the
res
it
sort
of
shifts
the
responsibility
from
the
individual
to
the
people
providing
the
services
for
that
success
and
that
right
now
it's
very
easy
to
say.
C
Oh,
they
didn't
engage
with
this
set
of
services,
and
so
they
aren't
ready
or
able
to
live
in
housing,
but
housing
first
is
sort
of
flips
that
responsibility
from
the
par
the
individual
who
are
ready
is
experiencing
the
crisis
of
homelessness
from
having
to
like
make
their
appointments
get
to
their
places.
C
Do
all
these
things
before
they
can
like
lay
their
head
in
a
bed
every
night
to
saying
all
right,
we'll
have
you
lay
your
head
in
this
bed
for
some
nights
and
then
we'll
figure
out
how
to
get
those
services
to
you
in
a
way
that
actually
will
work.
There's
really
no
point
and
having
people
engage
in
an
involuntary
manner
with
Services
right,
it's
a
slippery
slope
and
not
something
that
is
shown.
The
data
doesn't
support
that,
like
forced
engagement
with
Services
results
in
better
housing
outcomes,
so
people
need
housing.
C
First
is
hinged
on
client
choice
and
people,
making
those
choices
but
make,
but
not
having
them
sleep
outside
sort
of
experiencing
more
trauma
and
getting
worse
in
their
health
outcomes,
while
they
like
somehow
decide
to
do
the
things
that
people
want
for
them
to
do
to
get
into
the
housing.
Thank
you
sorry.
C
I
guess
my
my
question
is
for
males
so
by
indoor,
and
this
helps
with
some
point
system
or
something
having
to
do
with
funding.
C
Since
typically
I,
don't
recall
us
endorsing,
or
maybe
we
have
but
I'd
forgotten,
continuing
care
plans
in
the
past.
No.
F
You
haven't
been
brought
those
in
the
past
I
think
what
this
is
trying
to
do
is
to
say
is
there
buying
by
this
video.
This
is
moving
in
the
right
direction.
There's
an
approach
to
address
a
growing
problem
in
the
community
which
doesn't
respect
boundaries,
or
you
know
any
Middle,
School
boundaries
and
and
that
the
solutions
really
need
a
lot
of
stakeholders
to
work
collaboratively
and.
G
F
F
It
builds
strength
for
for
Grant
applications
for
funding,
because
you
can
say
the
city,
the
IRA
locally.
The
county
has
endorsed
this
and
that
fundrais
recognize
that
if
it's
a
program,
that's
been
endorsed
by
municipalities,
it's
got
a
better
chance
of
getting
successful
versus
one.
That's
kind
of
a
division
and
some
communities
are
foreign
and
some
groups
are
against
it.
It's
really
trying
to
build
that
kind
of
Coalition
of
people
who
are
going
to
work
collaboratively
to
work
on
the
major
strategies
being
developing
more
information,
Supportive
Housing,
working
on
a
housing
research.
E
D
D
C
A
G
J
Sure
so,
there's
a
lot
of
rules
in
our
community
or
a
lot
of
places
where
they're
short
on
stuff,
because
there's
some
folks
who
don't
have
the
like
specific
qualifications
necessarily
say
to
do
that
job.
But
then
we
have
people
who
have
been
navigating
the
system
and
navigating
their
lived
expertise
of
homelessness
to
the
point
where
they
could
probably
talk
about
that
system
at
length
or
walk
someone
through
that
process.
J
In
a
way
that
some
of
our
you
know,
people
with
bachelor's
degrees
who
are
already
on
the
first
day,
could
not
right
so
kind
of
recognizing
that
lived
expertise,
but
also
recognizing
the
capacity
for
like
or
the
potential
for
professional
development.
In
those
roles.
For
folks
who
have
been
unemployed
or
have
been
unhoused
in
the
past
kind
of
integrating
those
and-
and
it
would
really
be
us
at
Human,
Services
Coalition.
J
We
do
a
lot
of
work
with
non-profits
kind
of
working
with
some
of
those
non-profits
that
are
having
staff
shortages
issues
and
fleshing
out
that
professional
development
opportunity
piece
and
talk
talking
about
a
bridge
to
employment.
J
For
folks
who
have
lived
experience
of
homelessness
and
lived
experience
of
being
a
peer
and
navigating
those
systems
and
making
building
that
bridge
for
them
to
develop
the
same
skills
as
their
peers
and
those
roles
and
be
just
as
great
in
those
staff
roles
as
well,
so
that's
kind
of
I,
don't
know
it's
like
it's
9
p.m.
That's
my
explanation
for
now,
but
let
me
know
if
you
have
any
questions
about
that.
C
C
We
predict
and
believe
will
reduce
sort
of
some
of
the
additional
burden
that
people
working
in
direct
service
right
now
are
experiencing
because
they're
sort
of
they're
trying
to
do
these
housing
navigation
roles
as
a
secondary
part
of
the
role
so
like
they're
therapists
right,
there's
that
they're
the
mental
health
therapists,
but
they,
but
they
report
that
they're
spending
so
much
time
working
on
housing
issues
with
their
clients
that
they're
not
actually
getting
to
the
work
of
therapy
right.
C
So
we
want
to
create
some
places
that
folks
can
be
referred
to,
that
the
whole
expertise
of
the
whole
role
of
that
job
is
focused
on
housing,
so
it
can
free
up
some
of
the
providers
who
are
doing
other
critical
work
in
our
systems.
From
always,
housing
is
like
the
thing
that
consumers
or
clients
or
participants
are
talking
to
with
all
of
their
providers
whether
those
providers
are
supposed
to
be
provide
supposed
to
be
doing
housing.
For
them,
so
that's
just
sort
of
a
secondary
way
that
we
anticipate
this
plan.
C
You
didn't
talk
much
about
it,
but
you
talked
about,
and
y'all
have
done,
a
really
great
job
on
doing
surveys
on
crowd,
surfing
and
I.
Think
that's
where
we
lose
a
lot
of
the
homeless
fees
and
where
we
lose
many
people
of
color.
When
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
not
a
much
because
a
lot
of
times
they're,
not
in
those
in
the
jungle
or
in
those
you
know,
camping
out
they
they
have
family
or
someone.
C
J
Sure
yeah,
so
what
you
were
talking
a
little
bit
about
is
the
the
definition
of
homelessness
is
according
to
HUD
kind
of
prevents,
a
lot
of
people
who
are
in
Couchsurfing
situations
from
accessing
the
resources
that
are
set
aside
for
folks
who
are
experiencing
literal
homelessness.
J
So
that's.
Why
kind
of
when
we're
talking
about
people
who
have
severe
service
needs?
That
is
also
a
method
for
us
to
kind
of
target
people
Upstream
of
their
housing.
Emergency
so
say
people
who
are
in
Couchsurfing
situations
say
someone
who
is
about
to
be
evicted
from
their
home.
Well,
with
this
plan
and
the
way
that
we've
designed
it,
it
would
kind
of
be
in
a
way
to
an
easier
way
for
people
to
access
the
resources
that
are
available
for
them.
J
One
of
the
ways
that
we
intend
to
do
that
is
I,
think
Lenny
mentioned
like
the
housing
specialist
position,
so
one
of
those
housing
Specialists
would
be
for
folks
who
are
in
a
Couchsurfing
situation
or
who
are
about
to
lose
their
housing
to
kind
of
figure
out
a
way
to
either
have
them
exit
to
a
program
destination
or
to
help
them
kind
of.
J
Like
see
them
through
to
housing
or
to
some
of
the
resources
that
are
available
through
this
plan
as
well,
so
there
are
prevention
geared
resources
in
here
and
we
also
have
tried
to
kind
of
expand,
the
definition
of
who
we're
serving
to
make
sure
that
we
are
serving
bypoc.
But
we
do
see
an
over-representation
compared
to
the
local
population
of
bipok
of
like
50,
black
and
indigenous
people
of
color
in
our
shelter.
J
So
we're
also
going
to
be
tracking
the
programs
that
we
have
and
making
sure
that
we
are
serving
that
50
metric,
because
if
we're
not
reaching
that,
then
we're
not
reaching
bypoc
in
the
way
that
we
should
be,
and
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
our
Outreach
metrics.
We
need
to
look
at
the
way
that
people
are
doing
the
intake.
We
need
to
look
at
culturally
competent
case
management
and
Outreach
as
well.
J
So
that's
those
are
just
a
couple
of
ways
that
we're
really
planning
on
targeting
bypoc
and
really
integrating
racial
Equity,
metrics
and
including
those
kind
of
alternative
or
Upstream
experiences
of
housing.
Instability
into
this
plan,
as
well.
C
And-
and
this
is
it
and
I'm,
because
it's
almost
not
I,
so
we
talk
as
if
this
is
a
new
issue.
It's
not
homelessness
and
unhoused
that
all
this
has
been
throughout
history
right
and
I've.
Seen
some
of
the
programs
that
you're
mentioning
right
now
like
people
who
work
with
you,
if
you're
getting
ready
to
get
if
you're
getting
ready
to
lose
your
apartment,
there
was
lots
of
monies
give
down
and
have
lots
of
places
have
done
this
previously.
C
C
I,
remember
them
kind
of
you
know:
DSS
had
this
whole
program,
if
you,
if
you're,
getting
ready
to
use
your
apartment
and
go
to
them,
they'll
pay
for
it
a
lot
of
so
I'm
just
saying
what
what
can
be
done
hop
in
this
work
differently.
Well,
I
think
y'all
said
all
of
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
remind
that.
J
Right
I
think
part
of
that
is
treating
homelessness
as
the
crisis,
as
the
emergency
is
the
trauma
that
it
is
so
thinking
about
things
like
the
housing
surge
that
really
the
same
way
that
you
would
look
at
as
a
natural
disaster
right,
and
you
would
look
at
that
and
be
like.
We
need
to
help
to
serve
people
with
housing.
J
That's
the
same
way
that
the
urgency
behind
that
is
the
same
way
that
we
should
be
looking
at
folks
who
are
sleeping
outside
or
even
in
our
shelter.
So
it's
a
renewed
kind
of
urgency
around
the
issue
and
also
a
renewal
of
kind
of
what
we
should
be
focusing
on,
which
is
moving
people
into
permanent
destinations
into
housing
as
soon
as
possible
once
they
are
experiencing
homelessness.
J
So
a
crucial
part
of
that
is
expanding
the
amount
of
housing
that
we
have
and
the
amount
of
housing
specifically
that
can
provide
the
services
that
we
know
that
our
folks
with
severe
service
needs
will
need
to
stay
housed
right.
So
that's.
A
central
part
of
this
plan
is
expanding
the
housing,
a
commitment
to
expanding
the
housing
and
getting
our
folks
into
that
housing.
J
As
soon
as
possible,
with
the
supports
that
they
need,
but
also
making
sure
that
all
of
this
is
you
know,
buzzwords
low
barrier
trauma
informed
but
really
we're
putting
it
on
paper,
but
actually
integrating
those
into
our
projects
and
making
sure
that
the
community
knows
about
it
and
is
a
part
of
that
plan.
A
C
Thing
I
don't
see
in
your
plan
is
much
much
reference.
H
C
C
C
People
who
are
addicted
to
drugs
and
and
that
caused
for
them
to
be
homeless
with
the
homies
I
recognize
that
it
is
nine
o'clock
at
night.
So
I'm
gonna
try
to
be
as
simple
as
I
can
the
answer
that
I
get?
This
is
Lydia
I,
don't
know,
I
can't
tell
what
the
owl
can
see.
So
the
rates
of
people
who
are
experiencing
substance
use
disorder
who
are
housed
and
unhoused
are
actually
fairly
similar.
People
who
live
in
housing
also
experience
substance,
use
disorder
and
the
negative
effects
of
substance
use
disorder.
C
The
primary
difference
between
those
folks
and
people
who
are
in
our
encampment
or
unhoused
spaces
is
economic.
It
has
to
do
with
the
resources
or
ability
to
pay
your
rent,
so
you
can
stay
inside
your
home
and
deal
with
the
symptoms
of
the
disease
of
addiction
that
you
have
I'm,
not
prepared
to
say
that
homelessness
causes
addiction,
but
there's
certainly
a
correlation
between
people
who
are
experiencing
substance,
use
disorder
and
experiencing
addiction.
C
I
always
say
the
secret
ingredient
is
trauma,
but
this
plan
addresses
homelessness,
right
and
so
probably
critical
to
the
services
that
might
be
wrapped
around
a
person
who
is
experiencing
a
substance.
Use
disorder
would
be
some
kind
of
treatment,
medication,
assistant
treatment,
whatever
that
looks
like
for
them,
but
this
is
not
a
plan
that
really
goes
outside
the
lane
of
reducing
homelessness.
C
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
that
if
you,
sir,
if
you
put
up
if
you
provide
a
person
with
housing,
you're
reducing
those
experiences
of
trauma
that
they
are
experiencing
by
living
outside
and
really
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
make
decisions
about
their
future
engagement
with
substance
use
so
I,
don't
know,
I
think
that
certainly
critical
Partners
in
our
plan
and
the
way
this
plan
to
be
implemented
are
substance.
C
Use
providers
of
All,
Sorts
housing
first
and
the
Continuing
Care
recognizes
that
a
Continuum
of
housing
is
required
to
solve
the
problem
of
homelessness.
So
that
includes
everything
from
sober
living
to
like
a
completely
low
barrier,
emergency
shelter
and
everything
in
between,
because
just
as
people
experiencing
homelessness
are
not
homogeneous.
Neither
are
the
interventions
or
solutions
to
end
that
episode
of
focuses
for
people,
so
that's
I,
guess
all
for
now,
but
it's
not
a
plan
to
address
substance
use
disorder.
It's
a
plan
to
address
a
homo
sense,
foreign.
B
B
K
K
Action
plan,
which
is
when
HUD
released
These
funds
to
us,
so
it
didn't
release
made
them
available.
So
a
little
bit
about
Hallmark,
it's
home,
it's
funded
by
the
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
a
new
program,
see
I've
been
listening.
All
about
the
you
know,
different
initiatives
we
have
in
our
our
program,
our
community
I'm,
getting
all
excited
now.
I
can't
find
my
words.
So
let
me
look
at
my
notes.
Okay,
so
homarp
is
a
never
before
implemented
program
with
a
one-time
funding,
Stream
So.
K
It
combines
features
of
traditional
home,
which
is
an
entitlement
funding
stream.
The
city
of
Ithaca
gets
to
build,
usually
permanent
housing,
and
you
know,
provide
tenant-based
rental
assistance
and
some
other
things.
Traditional
home
does
not
normally
address
homelessness.
Specifically
so
HUD
created
this
sort
of
hybrid
hybrid
program
with
traditional
home
and
other
HUD
programs,
like
the
emergency
shelter
grant
program
to
create
a
program
that
has
new
features
and
is
aimed
at
decreasing
homelessness
and
increasing
housing
stability.
K
So
how
the
planning
process
that
we
go
through
to
gain
access
to
these
funds
starts
with
the
home
ARP
allocation
plan.
That
is
referenced
in
your
resolution
and
also
in
your
packet
before
we
can
decide
what
activity
I
mean,
what
projects
specifically
we
want
to
fund.
We
have
to
develop
our
strategy
for
how
we
want
to
address
homelessness
in
our
community
after
Consulting
with
numerous
stakeholders,
Gathering
tons
of
data
looking
at
the
local
landscape
and
deciding
among
the
four
compliant
activities
that
home
ARP
has
which
are
the
best
fit
for
our
community
So.
K
The
plan
before
you
basically
has
two
strategies:
one
is
to
support
a
housing
Surge,
and
you
just
heard
a
lot
about
a
housing
surge
to
assist
people
who
have
been
persistently
unhoused
and
have
been
unable
to
access
housing.
So
that
is
one
strategy.
The
second
strategy
is
to
prevent
returns
to
homelessness.
K
So,
as
was
referenced
actually
in
the
presentation
just
before
you
before
me,
and
in
the
Lisa
horn
ease
assessment
report
that
we've
discussed
at
various
points
tonight,
it
was
found
that,
after
24
months,
the
most
recent
data
from
the
homeless
response
system
shows
that,
after
24
months,
32
percent
of
people
that
exited
the
homeless
response
system
to
a
permanent
housing
situation
re-entered
it.
K
So
that's
one-third
of
the
people
that
have
exited
have
come
back,
so
we
really
want
to
close
that
front
door
to
homelessness
by
providing
Supportive
Services
to
people
while
they
are
in
housing.
One
thing
that
we've
heard
often
from
the
stakeholders
and
service
providers
and
and
people
with
lived
experience,
is
that,
while
they're
in
the
you
know
homeless
response
system,
they
may
be
working
with
Outreach
workers
or
other
service
providers
who
are
helping
them.
K
You
know
kind
of
get
through
all
their
paperwork
and
you
know
navigate
the
system
to
be
able
to
achieve
the
goal
of
you
know
walking
in
their
own
front
door
and
being
there,
but
once
that
happens,
the
supports
that
have
been
there.
You
know
kind
of
recede
and
and
those
support
workers
are
now
working
with
people
who
are
literally
homeless
again
and
not
with
people
who
have
just
left
homelessness.
K
So
the
second
strategy
really
aims
to
fill
that
Gap,
we'll
also
be
spending
some
money,
the
the
maximum
allowed
by
Hallmark,
which
is
five
percent,
to
provide
capacity,
building
dollars
to
agencies
that
are
going
to
be
serving
people
who
would
qualify
for
home
our
dollars.
And
so
what
we
needed
to
do
was
create
this
plan
and
submit
it
by
March
31st,
which
we
did
we
submitted
on
March
27th
HUD
now
has
45
days
to
review
it.
K
They've
really
been
focusing
on
focusing
their
attention
on
getting
communities
to
submit
these
plans,
but
then
we
would
follow
the
steps
to
access
those
plans
and
provide
opportunities
for
Community
organizations
to
either
apply
for
these
dollars,
or
we
might
solicit
solicit
proposals
or
ideas
from
specific
organizations.
We
recognize
that
there
are
a
limited
number
of
organizations
in
our
community
who
might
have
the
capacity
and
be
prepared
to
implement
these
strategies.
So
that's
where
we
are,
what
questions
can
I
answer.
B
So
why
don't
we
follow
a
similar
strategy
and
I'll
move
the
resolution,
and
then
we
can
open
up
to
the
question
tells
out
and
I'm
just
going
to
skip
down
to
the
final
three,
whereas
is
just
to
put
the
focus
on
that.
B
The
iris
staff
at
all
the
home
therapy
allocation
plan,
compliance
with
mandated
consultation
and
public
participation
procedures
and
all
applicable
regulations,
and
whereas
that
they're
March
23rd
2023
meeting
the
iura
adopted
the
draft
allocate
allocation
plan
and
submitted
it
to
HUD
for
review
prior
to
the
March
31
2023
deadline
and
whereas
constant
to
access
Grant
funds.
The
elevation
plan
must
be
approved
by
the
common
Council
as
a
substantial
Amendment
to
the
2021
part.
Action
plan
now,
therefore
be
a
result
of
the
city
of
the
economy.
C
Towards
the
actual
building
or
obtaining
of
housing-
and
this
is,
you
know,
a
Divergence
event
and
it's
mainly
going
towards
Services,
you
know,
as
we
talk
about
this
housing
surge
right
is
to
get
people
into
housing.
So
why
the
the
choice
not
to
capture
This
1.2
million,
to
actually
try
to
increase
the
number
of
units
in
whatever
way
possible.
K
I'm
glad
you
asked
that.
Thank
you.
So
a
couple
reasons
one
is
that
Supportive
Services
dollars
from
home
ARP
a
compliant
use
of
those
dollars
is
rental
assistance.
Now
it
can
be
temporary,
it
can
be
for
shorter
amounts
of
time
than
tenant-based
rental
assistance.
Another
compliant
activity,
tenant-based
rental
assistance-
requires
a
12-month
investment,
but
by
funding
Supportive
Services
the
rental
assistance
time,
the
number
of
months
can
be
customized
to
what
a
person
needs.
K
So
that's
a
really
great
feature
of
the
Supportive
Services
dollars
that
come
with
home
art
that
isn't
super
widely
known.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
we
chose
Supportive
Services
as
the
main
area
that
we
were
going
to
be
investing
in
because
not
only
is
it
the
service,
a
compliant
use
of
that
funding
is
rental
assistance
if
people
need
it.
So
that's
that's
one
answer
to
your
question.
The
other
answer
is
that
I
will
say
that
yes,
stakeholders,
everybody
says
we
we
even
released
another.
K
You
know
ancillary
survey
during
this
process
to
hear
more
from
stakeholders,
but
everybody
talks
about
the
you
know
dire
need
for
more
units
in
our
community.
The
sad
truth
is
1.2
million,
would
of
which
1
million
would
be
available,
would
fund
about
four
units
in
our
community.
So
that
did
not
seem
like
necessarily
the
best
use
of
funds.
I
will
say:
I
will
I
will
give
you
a
little
more
information.
The
state
of
New
York
also
has
a
homework
plan.
K
The
state
of
New
York
was
awarded
many
more
millions
of
dollars
than
Ithaca
was
93
million
in
total
and
they're
designating
57
million
to
the
development
of
rental
housing.
So
they
anticipate
that
200
units
could
be
developed
without
those
funds.
So
our
hope
is
that
the
state
of
New
York
will
be.
You
know,
passing
these
dollars
on
to
communities
and
there
will
be
a
lot
more
resources
available
at
the
state
level
to
perhaps
leverage
other
projects
that
might
be
coming
forward
through,
say
our
action
planning
process
to
build
units.
K
So,
and
as
mentioned
in
the
Hallmark
plan,
we
are
going
to
continue
to
really
focus
in
our
action
planning
process
on
the
creation
of
units,
and
you
know
permanent
Supportive
Housing
units
and
also,
if
you
know,
if
there
are
providers
that
come
forward,
that
could
provide
shelter,
units
or
transitional
units.
Those
two.
So
we're
going
to
continue
that
track
and
kind
of
supplement.
What
we've
been
doing
by
trying
to
help
people
stay
in
the
permanent
units
that
they've
identified.
K
C
B
K
Will
just
say
too
I
just
wanted
to
point
out:
I
was
doing
a
little
research
when
we
first
started
creating
our
allocation
plan.
No
New,
York
State
entitlement
Community
had
an
approved
allocation
plan
that
we
could
look
at.
But
since
we've
turned
ours
in
there
have
been
a
few
communities
that
have
had
actually
16
communities
that
have
had
their
plans
approved
and
there
was
a
town
about
our
size.
K
Actually,
no
Onondaga
County
had
2.3
million
dollars
available
to
them
and
their
strategy
is
to
to
use
that
entire
amount
minus
some
administrative
funds
to
develop
permanent
rental
housing,
and
they
expect
that
they
can
build
either
four
to
five
duplexes
or
six
single-family
homes.
With
that
money.
A
C
D
D
Providing
low
barrier
navigation
Services
up
front
end
to
help
questions
to
do
the
reach,
housing
and
post-placement
services
to
ask
a
little
bit
of
expression
system,
increasability,
prevented
issues,
so
I
think
the
rental
assistance
is
important,
but
I'm
also
wondering
about
you,
know
the
follow-up,
that's
and
how
people
navigate
eliminate
in
a
new
place
in
the
60s.
A
major
major.
K
Sorry,
I
I,
don't
know
why
I
had
some
trouble
hearing,
Cynthia
and
now
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
you
duck
so
I
heard
you
say
that
you
understand
the
use
some
of
the
use
for
rental
assistance,
but
you
had
a
question
and
I
didn't
hear
the
question.
K
If
for
some
reason,
that
process
doesn't
happen,
if
they've,
for
whatever
reason
they
haven't
gotten
a
letter
or
whatever
the
case,
they
moved
whatever
before
they
notified
the
Housing
Authority.
Where
to
contact
them
for
recertification,
they
tend
to
fall
out
of
that
system
and
they
fall
off
the
waiting
list
and
then
they
have
to
start
all
over
again.
So
supportive
services
for
somebody
who
is
in
permanent
housing
right
now
could
look
like
somebody
who
contacts
them
at
the
time.
K
You
know
who
you
know
working
from
a
list
knowing
when
somebody
needs
to
recertify
and
works
with
them,
to
complete
and
submit
that
paperwork
so
that
it
doesn't
get
missed
and
that
doesn't
lead
to
the
you
know
kind
of
a
future
disaster,
so
once
somebody's
in
housing,
I
think
that
there's
all
sorts
of
kinds
of
needs
that
people
have.
But
what
happens
a
lot
of
times
is
when
people
move
into
housing.
It's
like
the
the
initial
crisis
seems
to
dissipate
for
a
while.
K
They,
you
know,
as
we
said,
the
service
providers
are
receiving
or
they
themselves
are
like.
You
know,
you
know
not
necessary
right
now,
but
once
you're
in
housing.
If
something
comes
up,
you
don't
necessarily
have
that
service
providing
Network
around
you
anymore,
because
service
providers,
while
they
may
be
available
for
you
to
contact
again
they're,
not
necessarily
helping
follow
through
with
people
who
are
who
are
placed.
K
So
that's
what
part
of
the
strategy
would
we
hope
would
remedy
is
that
there
would
be
service
providers
available
to
work
with
people
who
are
housed
to
check
in
on
them
to
see
what
they
need.
If
they
don't
need
anything,
they
don't
need
anything,
but
to
be
there
kind
of
as
a
backstop.
C
K
I
yeah
nobody's
super
I,
don't
know
the
audio,
isn't
super
clear
on
my
end,
but
I
can
hear
you.
Yes,
I'm
gonna
try.
Okay,.
C
So
I
I
figured
it
out.
This
is
instead
of
home,
but
this
is
not
about
holding
individuals
get
a
home.
This
is
about
rental.
K
Yes,
rental
housing
is
a
compliant
activity
of
Hallmark
and
Rental.
Assistances
and
supportive
services
are
in
non-congregate,
shelters,
so
yeah
it's
not
about
helping
home
buying.
No.
C
C
Painted
to
the
people
who
are
doing
Supportive
Services
or
is
this
monies
because
it
says
administrative
and
planning
on
81
650?
Is
that
there
will
that
be
their?
Would
that
be
payment
for
people's
salaries?
C
Is
there
any
of
this
money
going
to
a
salaries
for
these
Supportive
Service
people
that.
K
Kind
of
stuff:
yes,
we
expect
that
some
of
the
funds
will
be
used
for
salaries
for
the
agencies
that
apply
to
do
Supportive,
Services
foreign,
that
funding
to
fund
their
staffs.
C
Ways
you
can
work
with
and
that
money
goes
towards
The
Navigators,
because
I
think
once
again
we
we
Band-Aid
stuff
but
putting
people
in
their
own
homes
or
apartments
or
rentals
and
still
having
them
not
have
a
stable
income
and
that
kind
of
stuff
like
that
is
really
more.
C
C
We
talk
lots
of
time
about
survival,
but
we
don't
talk
about
getting
people
to
a
place
of
thriving,
and
maybe
this
is
not
what
this
is
about,
but
that's
also
something
I
think
should
be
put
into
context
when
we
are
bigger
than
people
and
especially
people
in
new
apartments,
and
that
took
me
over
20
years
27
years
before,
I
could
really
feel
safe
and
comfortable
about
so
I.
Don't
know,
I
might
be
going
in
the
wrong
direction.
So,
but
anyway,
thank
you
for
this.
K
I
yeah
I'd
like
to
comment
on
that.
I.
Don't
think
that
you're
going
in
the
wrong
direction
at
all
agree
part
of
part
of
the
reason.
As
I
said,
the
Supportive
Services
can
fund
rental
assistance
and
it
can
fund
actual
people
providing
services.
So
what
remains
to
be
seen,
is
you
know
we
we
don't
have
projects
yet
to
fund.
Like
I
said
this.
Is
the
strategy
portion
of
it
and
if
HUD
approves
this
plan,
then
we'll
go
through
the
next
stage,
which
is
soliciting
projects
but
to
your
point
Phoebe.
K
Yes,
the
strategy
attempts
to
address
what
you've
talked
about
that
people
who
have
exited
homelessness
may
be
in
a
house
right,
but
they
may
need
support
and
they
may
need
somebody
to
turn
to
to
ask
like
how
do
I
do
this
next
thing?
How
do
I
like
I,
said
re-certify
or
I,
would
like
to
apply
for
certain
other
benefits
or
see
if
I
qualify?
For
you
know
certain
other
programs,
or
my
next
step
is
I
want
to
pursue.
You
know
a
certain
whatever,
whatever
the
their
next
steps
in
life.
K
C
C
But
yeah
I
think
we're
on
the
same,
but
I
want
people
to
become
empowered,
self-sufficient.
C
K
Haven't
talked
to
you
tomorrow,
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
more
at
any
time.
I
will
say:
I
think
that
what
you're
talking
about
would
come
at
the
implementation
stage
when
we're
asking
organizations
to
present
proposals
to
us
for
how
they
see
best
being
able
to
implement
these
strategies
right,
so
that
could
include
something
such
as
what
you're
talking
about
it
could
include.
You
know
many
of
the
the
types
of
features
or
programs
we've
talked
about
tonight,
but
at
this
level
we're
just
talking
about
the
strategy,
not
what
the
actual
program
implementation
would
look
like.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
ready
to
vote
right.
I.
Think
we've
got
our
questions
answered,
so
we're
voting
to
accept
this
allocation
plan,
so
all
those
in
favor
and
that
goes
4-0.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
A
B
And
we're
I'm
gonna
be
looking
at
some
or
hearing
about
the
plan
and
artwork
for
a
bunch
of
electrical
boxes.
A
B
On
and
would
it
make
sense,
you
need
us
to
move
anything
first.
We
should
be
here
and
see
the
presentation
that
we
can
do
a
quick
move
of
the
resolution.
Yeah.
H
Area
and
it
is
focused
on
like
Energy,
Efficiency
and
yeah,
really
post
on
like
residential
kind
of
Energy
Efficiency
stuff.
But
it's
it's
run
for
12
years
and
it's
winding
down
and
there
was
some
funding
to
do
some
extra
cool
stuff
with
it.
And
so
we
chose
to
do
a
kind
of
public
art,
project
kind
of
working
with
the
city
and
the
premieres
as
well.
H
C
So
I'm
not
going
to
take
any
credit
for
the
work
that
they've
done
on
this,
but
just
in
terms
of
process.
C
F
C
Step
in
basically
approving
these
artworks
in
these
locations
to
be
installed
so
you'll
see
that.
H
Sketches
something
that
I
love
about
this
collaboration
would
get.
B
So
I'll
just
start
off
and
say
thank
you
for
doing
this
work.
This
work
is
just
made
some
beautiful
images
in
our
city
and
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
it's
continuing
and
that
we're
going
to
make
those
opportunities
available.
So-
and
you
know
so,
thank
you
for
your
commitment
to
making
that
happen,
and
so
I
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
just.
C
C
Yeah,
you
can
just
say
that
also
for
me,
murals
have
never
been
the
ultimate
goal.
You
know
the
goal
is
Justice
and
our
community
and
Community
engagements
and
either
these
years
are
about
team
building
or
about
getting
to
know
each
other
about
reflecting
on
important
issues
and
oh
yeah
I've
got
a
lot
of
teams
is
amazing,
the
organizing
team
and
so
I'm
really
excited
about
this.
L
C
Cheering
for
the
West
End
and
even
something
along
you
know,
floral
and
battle
would
be
nice
because
I
don't
think
that
there's
anything
out
there
either.
So
you
know
I
see
that
there's
one!
That's
next
to
the
Salvation,
Army
I.
Think
there's
one
already
there
now
so
or
is
it
to
replace
that
one?
It's
gone
got
a
beautiful
box,
yeah
that's
gone
and
hopefully
it'll
pop
up
somewhere
else
in
the
community.
Okay,.
C
Well,
just
a
shout
out
to
the
West
End
to
get
this
representation.
C
E
H
C
And
this
practices,
I
love,
Caleb
and
I
love
these
boxes
and
I
I
talk
loud
and
I
just
want
to
know.
How
does
this
create
conversation
through
Community?
You
know,
I'm,
seeing
myself
walk
out,
I,
see,
I,
see
the
wall
painting
and
stuff
like
that.
Well,
what
have
you
created
in
which
people
have
had
sat
down
and
had
conversations
about?
Does
that
is
that
am
I
making
sense
to
me
yeah
if.
H
You've
been
you've
been
in
my.
H
C
E
C
H
E
J
C
A
C
Gorgeous,
whereas
back
in
2012,
we
started
this
program
project
to
to
beautify
electrical
boxes
throughout
the
city
and
the
BPW
has
identified
several
locations
for
future
murals
and
whereas
Ithaca
murals
and
get
your
payback
Tompkins
issued.
Across
The
Proposal
with
a
Review
Committee
selected
15
purposes
for
the
project,
whereas
the
project
will
be
privately
funded
and
will
be
budget
neutral
for
the
city.
C
C
Of
different
or
reformed
Temple
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
selected
artists
May
proceed
with
the
installation
of
their
murals
on
their
appointed
electrical
box
upon
the
execution
of
an
agreement
with
the
city
as
reviewed
by
the
City
attorney.
In
that
summary,
a.
A
B
A
C
C
H
Back
in
2010,
it's
been
13
years
of
weathering
and
it
would
be
really
wonderful
to
to
revamp
that
area.
Five
black
artists
who
want
to
meet
each
other
so
I'll,
be
in
touch
and
we'll
do
a
weekend.
G
C
G
B
Okay,
so,
and
next
to
a
vote
to
circulate
a
proposed,
some
proposed
amendments
to
zoning,
correct
I'll.
Let
you
want
to
just
well
if
I
never
want
to
hear
about
since
Vegas.
C
Okay,
so
over
the
past
few
years
we've
been
approached
by
several
property
owners
and
some
of
our
B
zones
or
business
districts
that
are
basically
they
serve
as
a
transition
business
zone
between
the
higher
density
and
Central
business
district.
L
Inter
residential
you'll.
L
In
smaller
uses
and
there's
lots
of
a
presidential
mixed
in
as
well
so.
L
All
day
their
officer,
Department
requirement
is
difficult
to
meet
and,
in
some
cases,
typically
impossible.
C
For
one
reason
or
another,
and
so
it's
kind
of
something
that's
come
up
over
time-
there's
a
safe
and
look
at
so
we'd
like
to
do
that
and
brought
forward
this
to
you.
So
knowing
that
we've
had
concerns
about
parking
in
the
B
districts
in
general,
we
took
a
look
at
all
of.
L
C
A
L
C
But
you're
not
missing
out
on
the
map
or
chart
so
right
now,
if
you're
looking
at
where
those
zones
are
located,
a
lot
of
them
are
located
really
close
to
the
downtown
area.
On
a
key
Transit
Cornerstone
we'd
like
to
propose
that
we
remove
the
off-street
parking
requirements
in
the
b1a.
C
L
C
Where
they're
located
so,
for
example,
this
is
b1a
and
again
there's
kind
of
a
winding
a
lot
of
the
areas
around
the
downtown
core
located
between
Portland
streets
and
I.
C
You
because
I
looked
at
these.
A
lot
of
these
properties
are
already
at
least
efficient
in
parking
and
several
don't
have
any
parking
at
all.
So
I
also
we're
going
to
repeat
all
of
our
proposing
that
we
keep
all
of
the
other
District
requirements
such
as
cutting
and
a
lot
of
coverage
the
same
so
well.
This
will
allow
Property
Owners
to
meet
their
parking
requirements
and
make
improvements
in
their
properties.
It's
not
an
incentive
to
set
a
tear
down
the
building
because
it
was
something
bigger.
C
So
that
is
the
proposal
for
the
first
proposal,
which
I'd
be
happy
to
answering
the
question
for
that.
L
C
Get
good
feedback
if
the
committee
is
supportive
of
circulating
or
feedback
I'll
do
that.
B
L
G
C
Whatever
you'd
like
to
do
just
a
little
bit
more
so
should
the
parking
requirements.
E
C
C
I
need
to
look
it
up,
but
what
are
the
parking
requirements?
I
mean,
as
you
mentioned,
much
of
these
areas
are
are
being
efficient
already,
but
what
are
the
requirements?
I
mean
no
table
of
what
would
be
lost
was
included.
I
guess
you
know,
nerds
should
look
it
up,
but
Innovation
some
of
these
areas,
so
I
can
tell
you
in
terms
of
our
residential
uses
that
are.
B
L
C
Residential
and
it's
actually
the
Residential
Properties
we've
heard
from
in
that
case,
so
the
residential
statements,
residential
parking
requirements
throughout
the
city.
So
for
each
dwelling
unit,
that's
between
one
and
three
bedrooms,
you're
required
to
have
one
in
space
and
if
it's
four
or
five
bedrooms,
you
have
to
have
two
parking
spaces.
C
So
it's
the
same
off.
Street
Parking,.
C
L
E
C
L
C
Be
a
massive
increase
that
would
all
be
allowed
in
by
getting
rid
of
the
parking
mode.
It
might
be
possible
in
a
couple
places.
You
can
have
a
few
more
applicants
in
the
building,
but
in
terms
of
building
another's
building
or
lots
of
extra
units.
I.
Don't
think
that
would
happen
just
because
of.
C
L
L
You're
not
and
there's
a
lot
of
parks
in
there
already
and
I.
Don't
think
you
are
right
if
someone.
L
Commercial
structures
they
could
build
a
new
building
that
would
not
require
parking.
C
They
are
going
to
have
to
meet
the
other
requirements
of
the
25
Zone,
which.
C
Feet
in
40
a
lot
of
coverage
or
excuse
me
50
a
lot
of
coverage.
There
might
be
a
couple
of
instances,
but
I
wouldn't
Envision.
L
That
being
a
big
in
happening,
often
and
I
would
also
say
other
than
that.
C
Elmiral,
Corridor
I,
don't
think
you
would
have
the
room
to
do
a
lot
of
evaluation
and
don't
get
bigger.
They'll
provide
lots
more
than
this.
C
C
L
Does
have
a
lot
of
parking
there
right
now,
but
they
also
have
several.
C
Other
deficiencies
that
would
not
allow
them
to
build
anything
else
on
that
lab
without
some
significant
area,
so
I
don't
know
that
they
would
have
a
real
incentive
to
take
away
their
parking.
That
they're,
probably
currently
renting
out
to
10
minutes
yeah.
C
Okay,
so
for
the
tables
available,
would
be
helpful
for
you
to
have
just
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
difference
of
the
r
or
did
you
want
specific
information
about
the
properties
that
are
included
in
the
proposal,
so
I
guess
yeah
under
and
I
should
have
put
a
good
opportunity.
But
having
that
information
about
what
the
the
lot
coverage
is,
you
know
the
full
role.
I
guess.
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
about
Wall
Street
parking.
B
If
you
stepped
out
of
the
room,
but
oh
it
works
is
better,
so
we
do
that
one
person
and
we
can
talk
about
the
the
other
donation
like
that.
So.
B
A
C
So
again,.
C
L
C
Discovered
that
the
B2B
District,
or
which
used
to
be
a
fairly
large
District
now,
including
four
properties
on
the
west
side
of
the
Department
of
Labor
Ready,
which.
L
Not
maybe
not
the
best
reason
to
have
a
separate
result,
designation,
so
at
the
time
I
can.
L
C
That
was
a
designated
historic
structure
was
was
left
out
in
the
zone,
change.
L
So
that
inadvertently.
L
80.
and
100,
except.
L
But
it
would
effectively
eliminate
a
zone
that
has
four
Parcels
in.
C
C
G
B
A
B
C
B
Right,
okay
and
then
we're
down
to
review
and
approval
of
manage
for
the
March
2023
meeting.
Someone
like
to.
B
You
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes.
Thank
you.
That's
4-0,
thank
you,
Daddy,
and
how
about
a
motion
to
adjourn.
B
C
This
it
seemed
important
to
put
this
out
there.
Is
there
some
you
did,
articulate
that
you
know.
20
of
all
new
housing
has
been
very
low
income.
C
Is
there
some
other
myths,
perhaps
some
assumption
that
people
have
about
housing
development
in
the
city
that
you'd
like
to
highlight,
or
quality
programs
in
some
way,
not
necessarily
correct
I,
think
you
know,
I
had
for
years
put
out
an
annual
report
of
all
the
development,
and
it
was
cumulative
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
do
that.
C
Many
things
that
have
been
built,
many
things
under
construction
and
some
new
projects
coming
and
yeah.
The
20
has
been
consistent
for
quite
a
long
time
and
know
that
it's
you
know
we
still
need
more,
but
20
is
something
too
and
and
they
do
you
know,
although
this
report
doesn't
you
mention
it,
you
know
there
is
a
fair
amount
of
permanent
sport
of
housing
that
has
been
built
over
the
last
several
years,
like
60
units
at
West,
End,
Heights,
40
units
at
Art,
House,
1200,
downers
way,
and
there
will
be
40
events
here.
C
C
Happened
and
another
thing
this
report
doesn't
mentioned:
I've
talked
about
many
times.
We
are
missing
middle
income
house
as
the
market
rate
or
permanently
affordable,
because
you
can
put
together
financing
for
both
of
those.
But
we
are
missing.
You
know
more
middle
income
as
well
as
for
sale
as
well
as
for
sale.
C
I
know,
you
know
we
of
course,
most
of
the
housing
being
built
vast
vast
majority
of
it
is
rental
housing
I,
it's
much
harder
to
build
for
sale,
housing
because
the
land
is
developed
and
so
far
people
haven't
been
interested
in
doing
condos,
but
I
will
say
that
I'm
very
you
know
we
had
12
past
five
years,
12.
C
for
sale,
units
of
funnily,
affordable
housing,
I,
think
that
is
it's
not
enough,
but
it's
great
to
have
that
it's
more
than
and
it's
more
than
other
kinds.
Of
course,
that
is
the
largest
amount
of
Port
sales.
C
B
E
B
C
E
C
C
B
Sort
of
a
it's
sort
of
a
yeah-
that's
right,
yeah.