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C
Good
evening
welcome
to
the
February
my
Development
Committee,
sorry
for
a
slate
delay
getting
started.
We
have
some
tech
issues,
but
we're
good
to
go.
I
have
two:
let's
see,
I
have
a
announcement
I'm
supposed
to
read
in
case
of
an
emergency
evaluation.
We
are
to
take
one
of
two
exits
at
either
end
of
the
room
and
way
down
on
Cayuga
Street
at
Green.
Street
intersection
do
not
cross
the
road,
those
with
restricted
mobility
in
the
event
of
emergencies.
C
It
is
best
to
move
to
one
of
the
stairwells
and
First
Responders
will
arrive
at
the
Au
in
the
event
of
other
emergencies.
You
will
be
notified
at
that
time.
We
want
everyone
to
be
aware
of
their
surroundings
and
offer
help
when
it
is
not
to
your
own
detriment,
as
you
are
your
own
best
advocate.
So
thank
you
for
that.
C
We
have
two
people
registered
for
public
comments
here
with
us
tonight.
First
call
up
Todd
Kurzweil
and
autonomy.
Following
its
result.
E
Sure
the
green
lights.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Hi.
My
name
is
Todd
Kurzweil
I'm,
a
owner
house
in
Fall
Creek
and
my
wife
owns
sunny
days
both
of
those
businesses
about
three
years
ago.
This
week
our
business
was
listed
for
displacement
from
the
215
on
East
State,
Street
location
for
the
Jeff
Gremlin
project
of
the
Ithaca.
E
That
didn't
happen,
but
he
was
forced
to
pay
the
Obama
legal
fees
for
that
about
a
year
later,
we
decided
to
move
out
of
there
and
create
a
second
location
along
with
that
location
and
started
litigation
with
Mr,
rimland
and
Ithaca
properties.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
we
found
out
that
we
prevailed
in
that
litigation,
both
in
the
astute
against
Mr
Reynolds
and
his
countersuit
against
us,
which
caused
us
a
lot
of
legal
peace.
E
I
took
a
nap
today
came
over
to
see
my
wife,
and
there
was
an
email
from
our
lawyer
that
Mr
Gremlin
is
appealing
that
decision,
and
you
know-
and
it
was
part
right
here-
just
harboring
we've
met
with
some
members
of
the
legislature
and
the
tcida
posted
the
decision
and
we're
just
asking.
What
can
you
do?
Can
you
put
it
on
an
agenda
and
talk
about
it?
Talk
about
how
the
second
project
of
Ithaca
College
came
in?
Was
it
on
the
TVA?
E
I
think
that
there
are
both
bigger
things
in
the
macro
and
micro
going
on
here,
and
any
single
member
of
council
can
request
an
agenda
item
to
be
talked
in
public
and
I
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
I
haven't
had
more
in
a
while
and
Robert
and
I
are
not
talking
right
now
and
I
haven't
reached
out
to
the
new
person
yet
and
but
we're
reasonable
people-
and
this
is
an
out-of-town
development-
will
receive
multi-million
dollar
tax
help
and
asking
for
more
soon
within
the
Inland
Islands,
and
you
know
he
did
not
do
us
right.
E
We
are
the
last
surviving
members
of
the
first
level
there.
Over
and
home
is
gone.
Samuel
is
gone,
pasta
Vito
is
done.
Miller
mayor
student
number,
one
and
Ithaca
College
came
in
without
any
review
without
any
seqr
update,
so
I
ask:
what
can
you
do?
What
can
you
do
besides
hand
out
permits
and
allow
this
to
continue?
E
E
We
have
been
asking
for
statutory
regulations
to
be
written
by
the
city
to
go
along
with
the
updated
applicant
application
that
the
Ida
has
has
updated.
We
are
asking
for
the
city
to
write
statutory
regulations
to
codify
that.
I
really
appreciate
you
giving
me
a
couple
seconds
further.
Thank
you
for
your
service
I'm,
going
to
wait
till
the
end
of
public
to
be
heard
that
I'll
be
excusing
myself
happy
to
speak
to
any
of
you.
B
I
am
Teresa
old
of
206
Eddie,
Street
college
town,
city
of
Ithaca,
I,
look
at
your
agenda
and
I
am
dismayed.
Ithaca
is
a
city
with
a
few
high-paying
University
administrative
jobs,
a
few
full
professors
and
many
low-paid
workers,
maintaining
the
campus
feeding
the
students
and
throughout
the
city
there
are
largely
low-paid
jobs.
B
The
census
can't
really
reflect
this
because
it
counts
the
people
who
can
afford
to
live
in
the
city,
not
the
people
who
work
here
and
are
forced
to
live
far
away
on
the
agenda.
I
see
15
minutes
allowed
to
report
on
encampments
a
life
and
death
issue
for
the
people
who
sleep
there
then
I
see
a
whole
hour
devoted
to
discussion
of
the
falls
Overlook
behind
the
breeze
and
the
old
Smoke
Stack.
These
are
questions
for
upper
income,
people
with
leisure
time
to
enjoy
the
views
and
tourists.
B
Tourism
brings
jobs,
you
will
say,
but
they
are
mainly
low,
paying
jobs.
It's
a
terrible,
Economic
Development
strategy,
as
I
heard
from
a
DSA
leader
way
back
in
the
1980s
when
it
all
started,
you
need
to
turn
your
attention
to
creating
the
housing
that
can
house
the
homes
to
amending
the
zoning
that
now
gentrifies
the
city
for
removing
ctap
that
excuse
for
evaping
property
taxes
for
the
benefit
of
being
developers.
As
you
just
heard,.
D
B
C
Before
I
jump
to
response
from
Council
or
the
committee,
I
did
skip
over
a
chance
for
anyone
to
amend
the
agenda
or
review
the
agenda
for
that,
because
they
don't
have
anything
they
want
to
change
their
answer.
The
agenda
tonight.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Any
response.
D
A
To
the
the
first
speaker,
I
do
not
know
the
the
ins
and
outs
of
your
project.
Of
course
we
have
the
planning
director
here.
I
mean
answering
questions
in
my
understanding
when
a
project
is
approved
through
Seeker,
it
is
for
the
use
of
that
development
regardless
I.
Don't
think
the
project
is
done
with
a
particular
company
in
mind
if
it's
for
commercial
use
and
occasionally
used
to
imagine
it
to
full
build
out,
and
then
you
anticipate
the
environmental
impacts
of
that
buildup
on
the
community.
A
So
if
there
was
x
amount
of
office
space
with
x
amount
of
individuals
per
square
foot,
it
would
be
based
on
that
so
I'm
going
to
assume,
even
if
during
their
construction
project.
If
your
college
comes
in
or
out
where
a
new
tenant
comes
in
and
out
they're
going
to
meet
the
building
occupancy,
it
would
not
trigger
a
secret
re-evaluation.
A
Am
I
correct
in
that
understanding,
I'm
sorry
I
was
getting
an
email
from
somebody
asking
so
if
well,
if
there's
any
change
to
a
project
that
would
change
the
impact,
it
would
be
re-evaluated
form
to
the
community,
but
whether
a
tenant
changes
or
that
well
I
mean
a
secret
tenant.
A
I
mean
if,
if
it
went
from,
for
instance,
I
mean
on
the
comments
so
but
I
mean
there
could
be
a
situation
in
which
a
tenant
C
could
I
suppose
if
it
went
from
like
a
very,
very
low
traffic
in
certain
situations,
a
very
very
low
traffic
used
to
very,
very
high
traffic
use
and
it
would
impact,
could
impact
traffic.
Something
like
we
could
drive
through
was
incorporated
or
something
like
that.
A
But
if
it
was
a
general
you
know,
office
or
retail
use
on
the
commons,
it
would
be
likely
to
trigger
a
real
good
news,
that's
right,
and
so
if
there
had
been
deemed
a
significant
change
of
use,
that
would
have
triggered
a
Seeker
reopening
and
that
would
not
have
in
any
way
or
stalled
or
changed
the
outcome
of
the
interaction
between
the
developer
and
their
tenant.
On
the
first
floor,
is
that
correct,
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
this
is
under
the
purview
of
the
planning
board?
A
So
unless
the
developer
did
something
dramatically
inappropriate
to
reopen
that
process,
if
it
would
have
proceeded
normally,
as
it
has
done
so,
I
understand
that
you're
looking
for
statutory
regulations,
but
I,
don't
see
how
an
active
Council
occurred,
address
or
Remedy,
or
even
prohibit
this
from
happening
again
in
the
future
in
terms
of
Seeker
I.
Think
what
and
you'd
have
to
ask
a
child
but
I
think
what
Todd
may
be
referring
to
is
downtown
construction
guidelines
that
lived
even
more
specifically
dictate
what
developers
can.
A
If
that's,
what
you're
asking
us
so
I
I
mean
I
have
been
receiving
the
emails
I've
been
paying
loose
attention,
because
this
is
not
my
word,
but
when
I
have
reviewed
it,
this
is
the
conclusion
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
I
don't
see
the
the
impact
that
Council
would
have
on
the
specific
experience
that
you've
had
as
unfortunate
as
it
is,
and
I'm
really
sorry
about
that
to
Teresa
alt's
comments.
A
This
is
a
remarkably
light
agenda
and,
while
I
appreciate
an
early
evening,
are
there
is
there
an
anticipation
that
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
review
CPAP
I
do
believe
that
there
is
interest
in
evaluating
if
it
is
still
a
necessary
tool.
I
think
as
sale
of
recent
property
on
the
commons
has
demonstrated,
regardless
of
the
developer's
proforma,
which
shows
that
it
needs
the
tax
abatement
in
order
to
break
even
they
clearly
turned
around
immediately
and
sold
a
project
for
25
million
dollar
profit.
A
So
it
begs
the
question
that
ctap
is
continues
to
be
necessary
to
Lauren
developers.com.
So
I
would
very
much
love
to
see
this
committee.
They
must
stop.
It
have
been
and
be
happy
to
spend
the
night
talking
about
it
as
much
as
I
appreciate
being
able
to
go
home
or
Internet.
A
D
F
I
want
to
thank
both
speakers
for
coming
and
sharing
their
voice,
and
I
knew
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
a
lot
of
what
I've
been
saying,
I'm
glad
to
put
a
face
Now
with
Todd
as
I
feel
about
in
the
emails
right.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
because
I've
been
learning
quite
a
bit
from
you
understanding,
that's
another
story,
but
I've
been
learning
quite
a
bit
and
I'd
like
to
speak
more
with
you
and
find
out
more.
F
Thank
you
as
always
to
Lisa
we're
kind
of
on
the
same
page
right
there
right.
It
turns
out.
Really
we're
going
to
understand
and
learn
since
I've
been
on
the
council
is
that
this
community
is
really
more
or
what
I'm
learning
is
that
we're
more
in
in
in
in
touch
with
wanting
to
see
the
city
build
up
or
out
or
whatever
you
call
it.
But
gentrification
is
really
worked
against
a
lot
of
people
right
and
so
I'm,
not
singing
this
great
Community
enriched
happening.
F
What
I'm
seeing
is
we're
losing
a
lot
of
people
who
value
this
community
and
has
been
amongst
it,
so
I
just
love
to
hear
Community
come
out
and
speak
because
it's
it's
teaching
me
along
the
way.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Both.
C
Oh
I
add
my
thanks
to
the
speakers
and
and
know
that
we
we
do
have
a
live
agenda
this
evening,
but
we
will
try
to
bring
some
of
these
subjects
back
for
discussion
at
a
time
when
you
can
be
prepared
to
do
that.
So
thank
you.
Foreign.
C
C
We
actually
we're
gonna,
have
a
update
regarding
a
sanctioned
encampments
from
Lisa
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
anyone
else
going
to
join
you
in
there.
A
A
No,
this
is
November
I,
think
we
met
10
times
and
our
charge
the
charge
of
the
working
group
which
the
mayor
formed
was
to
develop
a
draft
City
policy
regard
organization,
campus
or
city-owned
property,
and
to
evaluate
and
recommend
if
any
City
lands
currently
use
on
section
of
the
camp
that
should
be
repurposed
by
the
public
uses
and
we
have
met
with
multiple
service
providers.
You
and
this
department
heads
for
their
feedback,
and
last
week
we
had
a
two-hour
long
meeting
working
meeting
to
start
really
hammering
out
the
policy.
A
We
expect
to
be
bringing
a
policy
to
this
committee.
I
would
say
April
now
and
the
March
deadline,
but
we
feel
like
we
feel
like
the
progress
on
the
policy
is,
is
good
and
they'll
be
able
to
bring
you
something,
but
the
I
think
that
one
of
the
approaches
we've
started
to
take
is
you
know
we
need
to
have
something
for
the
very
short
term
so
for
this
year
and
that
might
change
for
next
year.
But
we
need
to
do
something
this
year.
A
No,
that's
that's
about
right,
I
mean
we
did.
There
was
a
a
cleanup
of
the
peninsula
area.
The
DPW
Crews
worked
along
under
the
guidance
of
members
from
the
solid
waste
facility
to
conduct
that
clean
up,
and
do
it
appropriately
taking
advantage
of
a
break
in
the
weather,
and
she
had
some
unseasonably
warm
weather
at
that
time,
and
part
of
the
policy
will
also
be
looking
at.
How
do
we
once
areas
are
cleaned
up?
How
can
we
put
programs
in
place
and
uses
in
place
to
keep
the
area
clean
and
well
maintained?
F
C
This
and
any
other
questions,
I
I,
guess
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
clarification.
You
said
you're
going
to
bring
to
us
in
April.
It
sounds
like.
Is
that
a
policy
that
you
would
expect
us
to
do
something
with
to
move
along?
So
at
that
point
it
would
be
a
voting
item
to
come
to
go
to
council.
That's
right,
okay,
okay,
that
helps
maybe
helps.
A
Else:
okay,.
C
So
we
don't
have
any
voting
items
this
month,
but
we
do
have
a
few
items
for
discussion.
The
first
is
feedback
from
us
on
design
for
a
where
there's
a
false
Overlook
as
part
of
a
development
project.
So
I
don't
know,
can
we
episode
and
is
there
someone
also
from
the
development
group
that
will
join
us.
A
Just
I'll
start,
and
hopefully
she'll
come
in,
but
as
you
saw
the
development
agreement
a
few
months
ago,
you
voted
on
it
and
part
of
the
development
agreement
is
that
the
developer
has
to
build
and
maintain
this
a
new
facility
on
sitting
property
and
because
it's
going
to
be
on
City
Park,
even
though
they
have
to
build
and
maintain
that
I
really
feel
like.
We
need
some
more
input
on
it.
The
developer
was
going
to
be
here
with
some
more
drawings,
but
there
are
some
in
your
packet
showing
the
visualization.
C
A
It
happen
so
you
see
in
your
I,
don't
have
it
hold
up,
but
it's
you
know,
there's
a
bridge
over
the
Raceway
and
then
a
platform
with
fencing
and
and
Benjamins
around
the
platform,
and
so
again
because
it's
going
to
be
city,
property,
I
know
you
had
a
lot
of
comments,
kind
of
had
a
lot
of
comments
on
the
park
at
the
base
of
the
falls.
A
But
this
is
a
treacherous
area.
For
many
reasons
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
the
environmental
and
Foundation
issues
which
have
been
largely
addressed
but
continues
to
evolve.
Obviously,
this
is
on
the
top
of
the
cliff.
A
There
are
steep
slopes
on
various
sides.
There
is
the
overpass
over
the
Raceway,
which
I
think
is
something
like
a
it's.
At
least
a
25
foot
drop
down
the
Raceway,
but,
as
you
may
know,
it
also
does
somewhat
go
up
the
hill
as
well
and
I
believe
it
does
connect
farther
towards
Cornell.
A
Once
you
have
a
platform
there,
unless
you
plan
on
the
visitors
being
entirely
encased
in
chain
link,
I'm
going
to
anticipate
people
are
going
to
go
over
the
side
of
the
Wall,
go
to
the
edge
go
along
the
area
and
down
into
the
Raceway
up
the
island
towards
areas
which,
frankly,
we
have
had
subtle
fatalities
of
individuals
falling
off
of
those
cliffsides
as
they
try
to
make
their
way
throughout
that
area.
A
At
least
this
section
of
it
has
been
cut
off
because
it
has
been
a
construction
site
and
has
been
closed
off
to
the
public.
Well,
they
can
access
it
from
the
body
you
can.
If
you've
accomplish
things
on
the
lower
end,
you
can
access
it
from
the
bottom.
I
know
that,
because
my
kids
do
it
against
my
wishes,
They
Don't
Really
talks
so.
A
Otherwise,
I
am
fearful
that
we
will
continue
to
see
the
types
of
fatalities
that
we've
already
experienced,
just
literally
I'm,
going
to
say,
60
feet
from
this
location,
so.
A
A
Create
a
safe
site
and
inviting
site,
but
not
also
create
a
whole
nother
can
of
worms
in
terms
of
save
you,
because
again,
as
a
person,
I'm
fully
anticipating
kids
dogs,
teenagers,
people
out
there
enjoying
themselves
after
an
evening
of
Celebration
and
and
other
activities.
So
and
it's
not
present
in
the
drawings.
How
that
is
going
to
be
addressed.
So.
D
A
Dealing
with
safety
and
I
mean
there
is,
there
will
be
fencing
around
the,
and
you
can't
see
it
that
there
was
a
new
drawings.
Yes,
there
will
be
fencing
around
the
overlooked,
but
you're
right
it
will.
You
know,
there's
it
is
not
there's
a
certain
amount
of
liability
in
any
facility,
and
certainly
this
one,
which
is
again
why
I
was
interested
so,
for
example,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
schematics
which
are
in
the
drawing
and
it's
sort
of
yeah
there's
also
you
can
see
on
this
picture
too.
C
A
C
After
the
top
of
Nebraska,
but
yes
but
I,
would
say
to
Cynthia's
Point,
that
is
the
one.
The
image
that
begins
to
give
you
a
better
picture
of
what
the
site
would
look
like.
It
does
not
have
a
very
good
rendering
of
that
kind
of
fencing,
so
I'm
hoping
that
there
might
be
others.
C
That
would
give
us
a
better
sense
of
how
that
would
feed
treated,
because
in
the
united
rendering
it
does
look
like
you
just
walk
off
the
platform
and
you're
on
the
island
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
without
a
lot
of
restriction
and
also
the
the
bridge
over
the
Raceway.
While
that's
interesting
it
when
you
look
at
the
the
kind
of
materials
that
they
plan
to
use,
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
very
prohibited.
You
know
keeping
you
from
getting
over
those.
A
That
platform
in
right,
eight
foot
high
chain
leg,
which
of
course
would
defeat
the
purpose
I
think
it
would
mean
a
much
larger
evaluation
of
how
to
keep
individuals
safe
and
I
think
it
would
be
to
encompass
that
entire
area.
A
Whether
or
not
it's
you
know,
I'm
thinking
of
yeah
I,
don't
know
right
together,
I
I,
don't
know,
I
think
it's
going
to
require
a
lot
more
thought.
It
does
not
be
shown
in
what
we
were
provided
so
far.
So.
C
D
D
A
D
This
has
been
controversial
because
you
know
to
take
my
statements
and
measures
that
yeah
well,
our
residents
we're
opposingly
restricted
the
views
of
the
various
gorgeousness
and
my
wife,
who's
psychologist
and
teaching.
Psychology
speaks
a
lot
about
how
a
lot
of
people
it
can
be
a.
D
There's
a
lot
of
convenience
or
availability
factors
a
lot
into
when
people
take
their
own
lives,
and
so
we
see
this
at
all.
The
information
and
so
I
might
bring
this
up
because
I
think.
D
The
safety
is
not
just
for
your
accidental
situations,
but
to
prevent
all
kinds
of
vulnerable
people
from
using
the
location.
C
F
C
Thank
you,
I
mean
the
one
thing
I
noticed
and
this
minor
kind
of
comparison
to
the
conversations
we're
already
having,
but
we're
doing
all
this
and
looking
at
the
one
photograph
that
is
labeled
you
from
bridge
looking
Northeast.
So
it's
actually
looks
like
it's
on
the
spot,
where
this
platform
would
be
looking
towards
the
Falls,
which
mostly
is
a
lot
by
Trinity.
So
we're
putting
a
lot
of
effort
into
to
doing
this.
C
For,
for
what
may
not
be
what
people
think
it
would
be
from
A,
View
I
mean
I,
think
looking
North
and
looking
I
guess
that
would
be
west
or
north
west
is
interesting,
but
it
may
not
be
what
people
think
they're
going
there
to
look
at.
A
A
So
to
that
point
you
can't
really,
you
can't
see
the
lake
is
that
correct.
You
cannot
see
the
lake
and
you
cannot
see
the
falls
and
I
and
I
heard
in
that
I.
Don't
believe
you
can
see
me
I'm
trying
to
in
front
of
you
in
that
direction.
D
A
It
looks
yeah
Quest.
A
A
Then
maybe
winter
years
could
be
that
you
could
see
the
lake
during
the
winter
and
and
to
Dustin's
point
with
the
pedestrian
bridge.
And
again
it's
been
a
few
years
since
I've
been
there
I'm
thinking
it's
only
a
30-foot
truck
or
20-foot
drop
over
the
Raceway
30,
20
or
25.
A
Something
like
that
which
is
not
well,
it
could
be
caterer
for
an
adult.
So
would
there
be
an
anticipation
of
the
Mets
that
has
not
been
discussed
so
that
might
be
another
element
to
determine
how
necessary
that
might
be.
A
B
A
Have
a
few
I,
don't
know
that
the
images
that
you
were
going
to
provide
was
really
address
any
of
the
concerns,
but
maybe
I'll
link
that
to
you,
would
you
mind
listening
to
seeing
some
more
and
just
more
than
a
few
yeah,
so
you've
heard
the
committee's
concerns
are
basically
for
safety.
How
do
you
make
this
safe?
A
G
And
I
agree
that
the
images
that
I
have
here
probably
will
not
address
that,
but
it's
something
that
we
should
definitely
be
discussing
further
Okay.
So
can
you
see
my
screen.
G
G
So
you
can
see
this
better
in
this
drawing
the
blue
one
is
the
one
that
we
are
proposing
to
install
connecting
to
the
orange
one.
That
is
the
existing
one
as
part
of
the
development
agreement.
There
are
restrictions
on
them
that
the
time
that
people
can
be
using
the
site
but
similar
to
other
Gorges
in
areas
in
the
city.
D
G
Of
the
city
and
access
to
daughter
gorgeous
are
controlled
in
that
sense,
but
we
could
be
discussing
and
understanding
how
that
is
done
and
we
we
can
revisit
those
drawings
as
well.
The
the
look
of
this
fence
that
we
are
proposing
around
this
area.
It's
like
this.
G
We
try
to
use
the
wood
to
give
the
the
the
nature
aspect
to
the
fence,
but
also
putting
the
chain
link,
thinking
about
kids
and
dogs
and
better
enclosure,
and
the
bridge
that
goes
over.
The
Raceway
will
have
this
look
something
like
this.
G
This
is
what
we
are
proposing
and
you
have
the
images
they
were
discussing.
This
one
is
closer
to
the
property
before
you
get
into
the
bridge
and
then
the
actual
Overlook
view.
As
you
mentioned,
there
is
a
lot
of
vegetation
there,
at
least
when
we
took
the
pictures
and
then
facing
the
other
side
and
going
to
the
facing
basically
the
link.
G
These
are
the
images
that
I
put
together
for
today,
but
as
you
as
I
mentioned
before
I
agree,
they
don't
address
the
safety
concerns.
I'll
be
interested
in
discussing
this
further
and
there's
understanding
how
we
can
improve
and
address
those
concerns.
A
You
know,
obviously
this
is
our
our
first
discussion
on
this.
Is
there
a
reason
to
allow
access
to
the
East
area
to
the
right
of
the
Overlook
and
why?
Why
does
that
area
left
open,
but
the
area
to
the
South
goes
down.
D
G
Enclosed
I
I
agree.
It's
a
good
point.
I
would
still
probably
connect
to
the
qingling,
so
the
edge
is
protected,
but
we
could
potentially
do
enclose
under
on
the
other
side
as
well
of
the
Overlook.
A
Yeah
and
again
I
I
say
this
mainly
because
so
what
people
have
done
is
they
are
accessing
the
island
from
that
North
Area,
where
we
had
fatalities
of
individuals
who
slipped
off
the
edge
there.
D
A
I
think
it's
a
very
inviting
space
and
how
we
design
it
needs
to
be
carefully
done.
I
realize
that
you're
looking
at
Cost
in
considering
this
as
well
I,
don't
know
how
attractive
the
wood
is,
but
in
the
chain
link
but
I,
don't
know
those.
Those
are
further
discussions.
G
Yeah,
the
overall
cost
that
we
are
spending
on
this
improvements
are
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
At
least
we
were
I
would
say
we
were
not
proposing
something
that
we
we
think
it's
cheap,
I
feel
like
it's
something
because
especially
we'll
be
maintaining
this,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
something
durable
and
in
line
with
other
areas
of
the
city
so
be
happy
to
hear
other
feedbacks
on
that
on
that
sense,
as
well,
if
the
materials
that
we
are
proposing
are
meeting
your
expectations.
G
Yeah
we
were
working
before
some
other
more
like
open
fence,
but
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
the
board
is
that,
like
a
dog
or
a
kid,
a
small
kid
could
go
through.
So
that's
why
we
changed
so
we
could
keep
researching
other
ideas,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
safety,
disability
would
provide
a
better
safety
environment
so.
H
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
Cynthia's
concerned
about
like
feasibility,
whether
or
not
we
can
make
this
a
safe
area.
You
know
within
a
reasonable
price
and
honestly,
like
I'm,
looking
at
the
just
the
like
geographical
makeup
of
this
area,
and
it
feels
like
it
would
be
really
difficult.
I
mean
my
issue
with
chain
link
is
less
aesthetic
and
more,
like
you
know,
college
students
are
going
to
jump
over,
they
know
how
to
climb
chain
link
even
chain
link.
I
feel
to
me,
isn't
entirely
safe
and
like
I'm,
not
an
architect.
H
D
I'm
good
yeah,
I
think
so
that's
been
around
is
there's
an
expectation
to
talk
to
people
who
are
like
once
this
project
happens,
we'll
be
on
the
collected
right,
like
they're
excited
to
access
the
area,
and
so
there's
an
expectation,
and
we
we
build
on
this.
You
know
yeah,
you
know
you
can
do
this,
but
we
need
Public
Access,
that's
all
part
of
the
agreement,
but
it
is
going
to
be
a
tough
balance
because
there
is
an
expectation.
D
At
the
same
time,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
keep
our
residents
safe
out
there,
well
that
these
are
obvious
issues
that
has
100
things.
C
A
I
would
say
once
the
development
is
built,
it
would
be
very
hard
to
explain
it
as
we
were
renegotiating
the
development
agreement.
I
mean
this
issue
being.
D
A
What
if,
instead
of
this,
the
money
was
used
to
restore
an
existing
facility
like
Willard
way
at
the
end
of
Willard
way,
that
is
kind
of
deteriorating
and
now
there's
a
change
because-
and
we
looked
at
that-
and
you
know
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
my
car
in
particular,
was
that
because
of
the
geology
there
it's
eroding
from
the
bottom,
so
you
couldn't
really
rebuild
it,
so
that
was
we
didn't
explore
any
further
that
question
of.
Is
there
another
place?
This
could
be
used.
A
You
could
put
the
fence
back
from
the
cliff
that
is
being
undermined
from
the
bottom,
so
that
it
is
on
Solid
Ground.
That
seems
like
a
a
good
alternative.
It's
already
pre-existing.
A
A
F
A
It
is
created,
it
is
the
de
facto
environment
I
I'm
not
concerned
about
that,
because
I
feel
like
the
gorge
is
a
part
already
I.
Don't
think
it
changes
that
any
use
that's
already
there
I
mean
you
know
you
can't
unpark
something
about.
Why?
Wouldn't
we
ever
want
to.
D
A
Like
orange,
so
I
wouldn't
worry
about
that.
So
that
would
be
yes,
it
is
a
projected
Natural
Area
that
I
can't
think
of
any
other
use.
We
would
use
that
for
if
you
want
to
do
stuff.
Well,
I
guess
like
right
now
it's
a
natural
area
and
it
would
be
protected
as
a
natural
barrier,
but
once
you
create
this
amenity,
it
is
more
of
a
park
like
amenity,
not
necessarily
A,
a
natural
area
that
you're
not.
A
D
F
F
More
calls
so
the
first
place,
I
kind
of
lived
when
I
walked
in
about
27
years
ago,
was
right
there
by
the
gorge
right
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
this
conversation
I'm
also
concerned
because
it
has
been.
It
is
a
really
dangerous
area
around
me
for
people
who
will
be
so
if
it's
a
public
or
awkward
ever
so.
If
a
part
of
me
is
really
glad
to
know
that
people
are
are
talking
about
redeveloping
that
area,
but
I
also
I'm
thinking
about
how
the
access
and
how
safe.
F
So
thanks
Cynthia
for
the
safety,
because
I
know
even
with
it
unsafe.
It
draws
a
lot
of
people
over
there
right
and
yeah.
So
safety
is
very
important,
yeah
and
I'm
thinking
about
the
affordability
area,
I,
don't
think
that's
what
we're
talking
about
right
now,
but
it
it
also
is
going
to
be
an
area
that
is
not
really
and
I
think
Teresa
kind
of
mentioned
it.
F
But
that's
another
conversation
about
the
full
affordability
for
people
who
will
be
able
to
live
and
enjoy
that
space
right,
I,
don't
outside
parks
and
we're
talking
about
hours
and
different
things.
So,
anyway,
glad
to
be
here
for
this
conversation,
okay,.
C
A
D
D
A
So
you
had
mentioned
that.
Obviously
we
would
want
to
make
a
decision
so
that
whatever
happens
can
coincide
with
the
project
the
best
once
the
project
is
done,
having
them
come
back
later
would
be
unrealistic.
So
what?
What
is
the
timeline
exactly
that
you're?
Looking
for
in
terms
of
this
decision?
Well,
I
think
we
have
some
time
I.
D
A
Know
bring
something
back
to
you,
I,
don't
think
we
need
to.
You
know
we
need
for
any
kind
of
decision
tonight.
This
was
really
feedback
and
I
think
you've,
given
us
in
terms
of
its
eligibility
for
pumpkin,
standing
tourism
funding
or
other
types
of
Grant
applications.
That
would
help
provide
some
additional
Financial
Resources
to
have
on
your
a
different
look.
You
know
using
different
resources.
B
G
Would
you
like
me
to
stay
for
the
other
discussion
or
should
I
go
about
this?
The
Smoke
Stack
I
mean
you're.
C
C
You
could
be
able
to
share
so
well
Brian's,
setting
that
out,
I'll
just
point
out
that
I
believe
we
did
share
a
draft
of
resolution
to
consider
that
this
is
not
one
that
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
tonight.
It's
just
a
was
a
draft,
so
we
could
see
that
if
a
resolution
would
come
forward.
This
is
what
it
might
look
like
in
case.
A
I
D
C
A
F
B
A
You'll
see
a
lot
of
you
know
things
coming
forward
from
planning
communities.
Folks,
you'll
see
a
lot
more
coming
forward
from
planning
and
in
the
next
few
months
they
have
been.
A
D
B
B
G
G
H
D
I
Fine
with
this
situation,
all
right,
let
me
pull
up
mine
so
that
I
can
walk
through
the
presentation
all
right,
so
thank
you,
Laura!
You
can
edit
it
if
you'd,
like
that's
fine.
I
So
hello,
everyone,
I'm
Brian,
McCracken
I'm,
the
City,
Historic
preservation
and
neighborhood
planner
I
know
some
of
you,
but
not
all
of
you.
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
you,
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
ethical
landmarks
preservation
commission.
One
of
my
roles
at
the
city
is
as
the
secretary
of
the
commission
and
in
your
packet
this
month
there
was
a
memo
drafted
by
the
commission
about
the
Ithaca
Gun
Smoke
standard.
So
to
continue
our
discussion
about
it's
a
good
guy.
I
You
were
looking
at
the
future
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
the
past,
so
the
Ithaca
Gun
Factory
was
make
sure
I'm
not
touching
on
everything.
So
in
the
development
agreement
there
is
Provisions
the
latest
through
the
Smoke
Stack,
which
is
the
only
remaining
architectural
element
from
the
Ithaca
Gun
Factory
on
the
site.
I
For
a
reason
unknown
to
me,
that
stack
was
kept
when
the
remainder
of
the
facility
was
demolished
and
it
stands
as
a
in
many
ways:
a
local
Landmark.
It
is
easily
recognizable
and
people
have
strong
feelings,
one
way
or
the
other
related
to
it.
I
So
in
that
development
agreement,
we
as
a
city
are
given
six
months
to
decide
whether
we
want
to
partner
with
the
developer,
to
conduct
VA
conditions,
assessment
of
the
Smoke
Stack,
so
we're
on
a
bit
of
a
crunch
here,
which
is
why
the
landmarks
commission
looked
at
the
draft
development
agreement
and
drafted
the
memo
in
response.
I
So
a
big
history,
if
you
would,
this
is
an
image
of
the
gun
Factory
in
roughly
1904
after
one
of
their
expansions,
it
was
probably
the
nicest
image
that
I
could
find
at
the
facility.
Most
of
the
images
were
that
I
could
find
were
taken
after
the
the
buildings
had
been
abandoned
and
they
were
no
longer
manufacturing
guns.
This
is
a
certain
1904
next
slide
at
least
so
the
company
that
would
become
Ithaca
gun
was
founded
in
1863
by
two
relatively
local
men,
Leroy
Smith
and
William
Baker.
I
They
first
started
manufacturing
guns
together
in
Marathon,
New
York
and
then,
after
a
couple
of
moves
around
the
state,
they
settled
in
a
location
on
Fall
Creek,
the
Sanborn
fire
Insurance
map
that
you
see
up
there
in
the
upper
left-hand
Corner
that's
from
1888,
and
that
is
the
first
iteration
of
the
gun
Factory
in
later
years.
They
expanded
several
times.
So
in
the
1893
image,
you
can
see
a
much
larger
facility.
The
the
original
was
a
wood
frame
structure.
I
The
pink
in
the
lower
image
indicates
that
the
facility
became
a
brick
facility,
a
much
more
robust
and
then
two
more
editions,
one
in
1904
that
added
another
other
brick
portion
in
front
of
the
one
that
you
see
in
the
19
or
1893
Sanborn
hire
a
trans
map
and
then
the
final
Edition,
which
essentially
made
the
complex
hole
in
1917,
which
is
the
brown
square
that
you
see
on
the
sandboard
fire
and
trans
metal
on
the
right.
I
So,
what's
important
to
know
is
in
1886
Leroy
Brown
Early
white
brown,
Leroy
Smith
and
his
brother-in-law,
brother-in-law,
George
Miller
bought
out
the
other
interests
of
the
owners
in
the
in
the
facility
and
became
the
family
that
would
run
if
it
had
gone
for
the
next
70
years.
So
Livermore
may
sound
familiar
it's
the
same
family
that
gifted
the
house
on
Aurora
Street
known
as
the
the
Livermore
house
to
the
United
Way
next
slide.
Please
so.
I
Sanborn
Maps:
this
is
an
image
from
1948
where
you
can
see
the
complex.
We
know
that
it's
from
1948,
because
you
do
not
see
the
Smoke
Stack,
which
is
the
center
of
our
discussion
tonight.
I
I
Yes,
so
why
do
we?
Why
are
we
interested
in
the
guns
in
in
this
facility
and
why
is
it
considered
a
historic
manufacturer
in
Ithaca,
so
Ithaca
became
a
an
internationally
known
gun
manufacturer.
I
They
produced
highly
efficient
guns
that
incorporated
Innovative
techniques
for
manufacturing
and
firing.
They
were
also
also
incredibly
beautiful.
They
were
elaborate
Engravings
on
all
of
the
metal
work
on
many
of
the
guns,
and
the
barrels
were
intricately
carved
next
slide,
please,
they
were
also
favored
by
people
like
Annie,
Oakley
and
Teddy
Roosevelt
and
John
Audubon,
and
several
other
influential
people
throughout
history.
I
So
next
slide,
please
so
the
Smoke
Stack.
So
on
the
Sanborn
map
you
see
on
the
right
it
read,
Circle
indicates
where
the
Smoke
Stack
is
located
and
the
image
on
the
right
is
obviously
the
Smoke
Stack
that
we're
talking
about
tonight.
So
it
is,
it.
I
The
stack
represents
an
important
part
of
industrial
history
and
labor
history
in
Ithaca
that
we
have
few
examples
of
because
of
our
history.
We
have
a
few
examples
of
major
manufacturers.
Aren't
in
our
community
and
Ithaca
gun
was
one
of
them
that
really
set
Ithaca
out
on
the
international
stage.
They
also
feel
that
the
the
Smoke
Stack
is
an
iconic
part
of
Ithaca
Skyline.
It
is
one
of
the
first
structures
that
people
see
as
they
enter
Ithaca
on
Route
13
I
know.
I
Personally,
it
was
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
noticed
when
I
drove
down
Route
13
as.
I
Considering
going
to
porno,
so
it's
an
iconic
part
of
our
history
and
the
common
council
is
now
in
a
unique
position
through
the
development
agreement
to
decide
two
questions:
one
can
the
stack
be
preserved
and
should
it
be
preserved
and
they're.
Both
very
important
questions
and
the
conversation
that
I'm
hoping
to
have
tonight
is
one
that
focuses
on.
Can
it
be
saved
the
conditions
assessment?
That's
noted
in
the
development
agreement
would
allow
common
Council
to
understand.
I
You
know:
is
this
a
structurally
sound
building
or
not,
which
has
a
major
impact
on
whether
it
can
be
saved?
And
then
you
know,
should
it
be
safe?
Is
a
conversation
that
should
be
had
by
the
full
communities,
because
there
are
very
strong
opinions
on
either
side
of
this
issue.
So
next
slide
please.
But
that
concludes
my
presentation
and.
D
C
Oh,
thank
you
Brian,
so
just
as
a
reminder,
so
this
is
a
discussion
and
I
I
thank
Ryan
for
giving
us
that
sort
of
orientation
to
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
is
the
first
part
of
that.
C
Can
we
say
this
and
then
we
can
also
address
the
second
part
as
well,
but
really
what
we're
focused
on
is
whether
or
not
we
enact
the
agreement
that
would
spend
the
first
effort
would
be
spending
I
believe
it's
a
50
50
split
between
the
developer
and
the
city
to
spend
money
to
do
that
assessment.
To
answer
the
first
question
back
and
it
was
safe,
okay
and
I'm
all
right.
I
Quotes
so
visit
before
they
brought
over
their
their
current
proposal.
Did
some
Outreach
to
contractors
and
I
also
reached
out
to
a
local
firm
that
does
this
type
of
work?
The
assessment
admissions
assessment
instructors
like
this
and
the
range
that
we
received
was
between
15
and
30
000
to
conduct
a
commission
survey,
so
the
city
would
be
responsible.
I
F
Because
we're
talking
about
we,
we,
what
did
you
call
it
make
it
a
historical.
F
Okay,
so
if
if
if
the
city
decides
we
have
no,
we
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
this.
Does
that
mean
that
the
people
who
bought
it
could
still
do
that
study
and
and
keep
it
in
place?
They.
I
They
could
still
choose
to
do
the
study
on
their
own,
but
they're
not
obligated
to
they're,
also
not
obligated
to
retain
it.
They're
also
not
obligated
to
demolish
it.
They,
it
would
be
up
to
their
discretion
in
how
they
want.
F
You
know
before
seeing
the
what
Cynthia
had
set
out
I
really
didn't
take.
A
lot
of
you
know
thought,
and
you
know
that
when
you
hear
that
whole
person
persevere
or
whatever
and
stuff
like
that,
you
know
it
sounds
real
good.
But
when
you
think
of
the
history
and
just
sitting
here,
looking
at
that
big
sign
the
different
guns
and
know
what's
been
happening
in
our
country,
what's
been
happening
in
our
schools.
Our
world
guns
is
kind
of
like
that.
Don't
feel
so
good
now,
right.
D
F
For
me,
I
I,
you
know,
really
sat
and
read
what
you
said
and
it
just
it's
not
what,
like
you
just
sat
here
and
made
it
sound
like.
Oh,
it's
really
nice
thing
that
we're
doing
we're
sitting
here
and
looking
at
that
is
not
that's,
not
the
feel
that
I'm
getting
right
now
like
if
that
was
something
I
wouldn't
want
to
invest
in.
That's
just
like
we
say,
continue
to
Reserve
those
connections
right
that
their
meeting
today
is
not
the
same
as
they
was
back.
Then.
I
I
I
definitely
think
that
gun
violence
is
going
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
when
it
comes
to
the
smokestack.
It's
unavoidable,
yeah,
but
I.
Think
the
retention
of
the
stack
allows
us
an
opportunity
to
interpret
this
and
to
provide
meaning
Beyond.
Just
seeing
the
word
guns
on
the
side
of
a
structure
you
could
you
know
that
there
are
ways
to
come
out
strongly
in
opposition
to
guns
and
and
use
the
stack
as
a
you
know,
bold
statement
by
the
community
and
say
that
we
are
opposed
to
this.
I
You
know,
imagine
a
big
round.
You
know
Mark
on
it
that
crosses
out
guns
and
that's
how
people
agree
did
when
they
enter
it.
They
got
like.
You
immediately
know
our
position,
so
I
I
agree
and
it's.
D
F
For
sure
I
don't
know
if
I
can
say
it's
difficult,
I
think
for
me,
it's
not
it's
history!
It's
talking
about
history!
It's
not
they're!
Talking
about
how
history
continues
repeat
itself
right
in
that
it
may
not
be.
You
know
at
that
time
it
sounded
like
it
was
really
good
that
we
had
these
gun
factors
in
which
are
powerful
and
great
and
more
right
and
and
when
we
sit
down
and
think
of
history
now
like
was
that
really
a
good
thing.
H
Yeah
I
kind
of
wanted
to
Echo
that
and
say
that,
like
my
concern,
is
less
the
symbolic
nature
of
it,
but
more
so
the
history
I,
don't
think
that's
something
that
could
be
campaigned
over
on
one
hand
because
it
was
a
gun
manufacturer,
and
you
know
our
state
of
the
world
right
now.
Guns
are
a
very
difficult
topic,
but
also-
and
someone
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
it's
a
little
bit
over
my
time
here
but
didn't
they
cause
like
a
lot
of
environmental
impact.
Negative
environmental
impact.
H
And
I
know
that
this
conversation
is
just
to
have
to
study,
but
I
feel
like
again,
we
go
back
to
what
Teresa
was
saying
during
public
comment.
This.
H
C
I
mean
I
will
add.
It
will
be
difficult
to
put
the
the
subject
of
this
manufacturing
history,
which
is
the
guns
but
I.
Don't
also
know
us
to
lose
sight
of
the
opportunity
in
in
showing
some
difference
to
a
past
of
Indica
that
we
don't
have
much
of
anymore,
which
is
manufacturing
economy
and
what
that
meant
to
this
community.
C
It
is
challenging
because
there
are
other
ways
that
we
could
be
demonstrating
that
perhaps
not
with
with
a
symbol
of
guns,
but
this
is
clearly
one
of
the
historical
legacies
of
of
the
manufacturing
economy
of
Ithaca,
and
one
of
the
few
things
that
remains
physically
remains
to
show
us
that
other
than
maybe
what's
about
to
happen
in
Southfield,
with
some
works
or
chamber
of
certain
things.
I
I
C
I
I
The
developer,
or
is
that
it
is
City
sold.
If,
if
this,
if
I
understand
it
correctly,
if
the
city
chooses
to
preserve
it
and
the
developer
doesn't
want
to
participate,
there's
no
obligation
for
them
to
do
that.
We
would
then
acquire
the
property
for
a
dollar,
and
then
it
would
be
our
funds,
whether
that's
you
know,
City
funds
or
Grant
funds
or
some
other
source
until
we
have
it
right.
Those
are
your
next
question.
If
you
thought.
I
That
would
be
specifically
for
that
kind
of
they're
they're
could
be.
We
were
on
a
call
yesterday
talking
about
earmarks
for
certain
things,
and
there
are
reservation,
specific
funds
that
we
could
apply
for
for
this
type
of
foreign.
A
A
These
weapons
have
been
used
very
actively
and
exclusively
beginning
in
World.
War
II
for
training
was
basically
I,
think
one
of
the
weapons
of
choice
in
the
Vietnam
War
and
the
Korean
War
and
is
used
in
you
know
for
a
riot
console
and
other
types
of
law
enforcement
purposes.
A
This
smokestack
is
is
a
beacon
right.
It's
not
just
a
monument
to
something
that
we
would
preserve
and
show
to
the
community
as
a
representation
of
who
we
are
or
history.
It
is
literally
a
beacon
to
people
coming
into
the
community.
You
can
see
it
from
miles
and
miles
away,
and
it's
statement
very
clearly
is
Ithaca
yeah,
if
our
monuments
and
how
we
spend
our
time
and
resources
are
a
symbol
of
what
we
value
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
an
appropriate
use
of
not
only
our
resources
but
also.
A
Our
cachet
and
credentials
of
what
we
are
trying
to
say
to
people
coming
to
visit
us
for
the
first
time
of
what
we
choose
to
be
represented
by
so
yes,
the
question
is,
even
if
it
were
assessed
with
this
Council
or
or
would
I
on
council's
support.
Maintaining
that
I
would
say.
This
is
not
how
I
would
choose
to
have
a
monument
represent
our
community
and
our
history
and
our
Legacy,
and
not
only
our
past,
but
our
future,
and
so
in
terms
of
this
study.
F
D
F
Don't
always
agree
recipient,
but
I
totally
agree
with
that.
I
think
that
at
some
point
we
have
to
be
really
honest
about
what
is
our
values
and
continuing
to
have
something
represented
about
trying
to
make
it
like?
This
is
a
very
history
point
of
Ithaca
and
Manufacturing
and
different
things,
because
it
could
got
a
lot
of
other,
really
great
history
around
underground
railroads.
This
is
a
Innovative
of
many
other
stuff.
For
me,
I
would
support
Sophia
and
not
support
I
vote,
I
hope
no.
C
You
answer
okay,
so
two
things:
one
is
the
I'm,
not
sure
where
the
the
red
circle
and.
I
F
I
Be
a
big
piece
to
to
give
even
some
more
background
information.
A
few
years
ago,
the
city,
the
city
with
historic
Ithaca,
had
a
meeting
and
a
community
conversation
about
local
landmarks
and
local
landmarking,
and
the
smokestack
came
up
as
a
potential
landmark
and
it
was
on
an
ilpc
agenda
and
we
received
a
thousands
of
comments
from
the
community
on
both
sides
of
the
issue.
I
Some
people
felt
strongly
that
it
should
be
preserved
that
there
that
it
represented
their
grandparents
Legacy
in
the
community
that
they
had
lived
here
for
generations
and
they
had
their
parents
and
grandparents
worked
at
the
factory,
and
that
was
their
industrial
labor
Legacy
and
they
were
incredibly
proud
of
it.
On
the
other
side
of
the
spectrum,
you
had
people
who
lived
through
the
remediation
of
all
the
contamination
and
watched
as
truckload
after
truckload
contaminated
soils
were
removed
from
the
site,
and
so
they
felt
very
strongly
that
it
should
not
be
landed.
I
It
should
not
be
retained,
be
retained,
because
that
is
what
they
see
so
that
conversation
really
informed.
The
commission's
you
know
comment
that
it
should
be
a
community
conversation
because
it
is
so
poor
and
it
would
be
able
it
would
be
great
to
get.
You
know
the
full
community's
perspective
on
this
resource.
I
Do
we
do
that?
That's
a
great.
I
The
the
original
language
that
was
in
their
own
memo-
and
they
they
changed
this
light,
and
this
it
was
to
remove
the
part
about
a
public
hearing
and
creating
the
public
hearing,
so
that
people
had
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Press
counsel
and
write
in
you
know
the
comments,
perhaps
at
this
stage,
that
you
know
if
you
think
it's
appropriate.
That
might
be
a
good
idea
for
perhaps
the
next
phdc
meeting.
I
I
The
environmental
impact
site.
D
C
I
I
think
you
know
it
is:
it
is
an
opportunity
to
for
the
community
to
engage
the
public
in
a
really
big
way
about
our
values,
removing
it
comments
very
strongly
and
on
our
values
as
a
community,
but
retaining
it
and
interpreting
it
in
a
really
bold
way
is
another
way
of
engaging
the
community.
So
I
will
think
about
how
to
address
the
environmental
contamination
piece
and
I
will
I
will
get
back
from
him.
C
Because
I
think
reading
the
tea
leaves
it.
We
were
to
just
put
this
to
a
road
out
of
the
committee.
It
wouldn't
go
anywhere
so
I
think
if
we
have
any
chance
of
taking
those
steps
to
assess
and
preserve
it
might
only.
We
might
only
be
influenced
by
that
kind
of
community
conversation.
Okay,
so
I
I
would
suggest
that
we
should
at
least
give
it
a
shot.
I
just
I'm,
not
sure
I,
know
exactly
how
to
do
that.
Well,.
A
Yeah
so
I
was
they
were
suggested,
but
the
historical
that
was
suggesting
or
LPC
was
suggesting
a
for
public
hearing,
but
it
wouldn't
be
that
difficult
to
do
a
press
release
put
it
on
our
website.
Just
say
the
city
is
looking
for.
A
You
know
your
feedback
on
if
this
should
be
preserved
and
we
could
send
it
out
who
the
list
serves
to
get
more
people
involved
with
the
conversation
without
a
huge
amount
of
staff
work.
That's.
I
A
Proposal
yeah,
they
don't
have
to
have
a
huge
meaning,
but
we
could
just
ask
people.
Some
people
try
to
find
different
ways
to
ask
people,
so
we
get
as
many
people
as
possible
and
you
could
also
have
on
public
hearing.
But
just
the
public
hearing
isn't
gonna.
It's
just
going
to
capture
it.
Won't
capture
people,
otherwise.
F
That
sounds
like
a
plan
but
I
think
then
we
leave
out
the
people
who
don't
have
access
to
the
you
know
going
online
and
that
kind
of
stuff
like
that.
So
you
know
we
used
to
become
a
whole
meeting
so
really
well
and
and
do
that
work.
I
You,
if
your
suggestions
on
how
to
reach
those
communities
that
you're
talking
about,
please
let
me
know
what
I'm
happy
to
do,
what
it
takes
to
get
out
to
him.
Okay,.
C
Great
is
that
enough
for
now
for
everyone:
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
for
that
discussion,
yeah
and
let
me
get
back
to
my
agenda
I
think
we
already
did
the
minutes.
C
Just
one
last
thing
so
we're
next
month's
meeting
I
will
be
out
of
town,
so
I
asked
doc
to
share
the
meeting.
He
agreed
to
do
that.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
will
maybe
be
able
to
tune
in
if
you
know,
for
example,
if
we
had
some
kind
of
robust
public
comment
by
night,
but
otherwise
I'll
probably
just
snatch
the
archive,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
back
okay
motion
to
adjourn.
My
name
is
Cynthia,
then
doc.
All
those
in
favor.