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A
Hey
it's
up
to
you.
There
seth
you
can.
B
E
Yeah,
so
we
should
be,
we
should
be
live
now.
I
think.
Are
we
live
yeah?
Okay,
so
sorry
for
the
the
the
technical
difficulties
tonight,
we're
having
delayed
start
to
our
planning
and
economic
development
committee
meeting.
E
E
I
know
that
public
comment
is
first
on
the
agenda.
I'm
not
sure
if
there
are
people
who
are
logged
in
for
public
comment.
No
okay,.
A
They
don't
they
don't.
We
haven't,
sent
out
the
new
link
to
people,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
joanne's
going
to
have
to
send
that
out
or
whoever
has
that
list
of
email
addresses
we'll
have
to
send
it
out
is,
is
joanne
logged
in?
I
don't
see
her
yet.
Okay,.
E
I
I
think
we
should
probably
come
back
to
public
comment.
Give
it.
I
know
I
we've
had
a
lot
of
different
emails,
a
lot
of
them
on
the
coupler.
E
To
speak
on
the
sitap
ida,
workforce
housing
issue,
but
I
know
that
heather
mcdann
mcdaniel
is
here
to
be
on
that
issue,
and
I
know
there
was
a
timing
issue
with
with
her
being
able
to
speak
tonight.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
start
with
that
discussion,
the
special
order
of
business
on
the
ida,
workforce,
housing
requirement
and
ctap
boundary
expansion.
So
we
did
that
the
committee
did
vote
on
the
boundary
expansion
last
month.
E
We
voted
not
to
expand
the
boundary,
so
the
piece
that
we're
looking
at
now
is
the
the
payment
in
lieu
and
the
whole
issue.
E
Do
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
say
just
to
start
off,
maybe
summarize
some
of
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
with
the
ida
housing
committee.
F
Sure
so,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
join
your
meeting
tonight.
You
know
the
ida
has
been
delivering
incentives
in
the
downtown
density
district
for
a
little
over
20
years
now
and
started
doing
that
really
because
the
city
asked
the
ida
to
do
so.
The
ida
generally
provides
incentives
to
manufacturers
and
high-tech
companies,
but
it's
a
very
powerful
tool
to
support
development
in
other
areas
as
well
in
other
sectors.
F
So
over
that
time
you
know
the
policy
has
changed
a
little
bit.
The
ida
is
a
public
authority,
it's
a
private
and
it's
a
public
entity
that
has
the
ability
to
abate
property
tax
and
sales
tax.
We
generally
will
phase
in
the
new
property
taxes
associated
with
the
project
so
that
there
are
new
taxes
starting
in
year,
one
for
all
the
taxing
jurisdictions
several
years
ago,
I
want
to
say,
probably
2007.
We
really
started
looking
at
ways
that
we
might
be
able
to
incentivize
more
affordable
housing.
F
At
that
time
we
had
a
committee,
a
very
large
committee.
We
brought
in
a
number
of
the
affordable
housing
developers
to
talk
about
hey.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
try
and
promote?
More
affordable
housing
generally,
what
we
see
at
the
ida
is
that
projects
cannot
financially
make
a
product
developers
cannot
financially
make
a
project
work.
So
that's
why
they're
coming
to
the
ida
to
reduce
some
of
those
ongoing
costs
in
the
first
few
years
or
seven
to
ten
years
generally
of
their
project
so
that
they
can
financially
make
their
project
work.
F
The
affordable
housing
developers
at
that
time
said
a
declining
incentive
over
seven
to
ten
years,
probably
isn't
going
to
work.
For
us.
We
are
much
better
equipped
to
go
to
state
and
federal
sources
and
combine
lots
of
different
resources
to
build
affordable
housing
projects
that
remain
affordable
for
30
40
50
years.
F
The
idea
is
not
really
the
place
to
go
so
we
sort
of
stepped
back
for
a
couple
of
years.
We
have
delivered
incentives
to
a
number
of
projects,
some
of
those
market
rate
housing
projects
and
some
of
those
have
been
affordable
housing
projects.
We've
come
up
with
some
different
scenarios
over
time.
This
really
heated
up
I'd,
say
maybe
two
or
three
years
ago
and
the
ida
said
yeah
we'd
like
to
look
at
it
again.
F
We
did
we've
had
a
committee
that
included
members
of
the
the
common
council,
members
of
city
staff,
members
of
the
ida,
we've
included
developers
along
the
way
to
try
and
get
a
better
sense
of
the
issue
and
how
the
idea
might
be
able
to
be
used
as
a
tool
to
support
more
affordable
housing.
F
The
city
of
ithaca
did
pass
a
resolution
a
couple
of
years
ago
saying
that
they
wanted
the
ida
to
deliver
an
incentive
and
require
all
housing
developments
within
the
downtown
density
zone,
to
provide
a
set
aside
of
20
of
the
units
as
affordable
units,
all
for-profit
developers,
any
housing
project,
and
with
that
they
wanted
the
ida
to
deliver
a
30-year
tax
incentive.
That
was,
I
believe,
20
or
30
percent
of
an
abatement
of
their
full
tax
bill.
The
ida's
committee
got
back
together.
F
They
looked
at
that
recommendation
and
I
sat
before
this
group.
I
I
believe
it
was
a
little
over
a
year
ago,
or
almost
a
year
ago
now
and
said
you
know,
the
ida
has
some
real
concerns
with
this
recommendation,
the
the
first
one
really
being
that
the
amount
of
foregone
property
tax
dollars,
property
taxes
going
to
the
school
district,
the
county
and
the
city
was
really
very
large
per
project.
In
order
to
make
this
work,
so
you
know
trying
to
be
good
stewards
of
public
tax
dollars.
F
The
ida
said
that
that
doesn't
sit
very
well.
Some
of
the
other
concerns
were
we're
an
economic
development
agency
we're
trying
to
support
vibrant
downtowns
quality
of
life
business,
both
retention
and
expansion
here
in
our
community,
so
that
we
do
have
a
strong
tax
base,
we're
not
a
housing
organization.
F
F
Every
applicant
needs
to
be
income
qualified,
there's
compliance
on
an
annual
basis
as
an
economic
development
organization.
We
honestly
just
did
not
have
the
capacity
or
the
ability
to
monitor
all
that
kind
of
compliance,
so
we
went
back
and
we
looked
at
the
policy
and
we
did
invite
at
several
of
those
meetings
on
our
committee.
We
had
city
staff,
we
had
seph
there.
I
believe
laura
lewis
was
there
as
well
as
a
couple
of
other
ida
members.
D
F
G
F
F
Is
there
a
role
for
the
ida
to
play,
and
in
looking
at
those
scenarios,
we
came
up
with
an
option,
one
option
being,
and
this
is
the
policy
that
the
ida
adopted
one
option
being
that
if
you
want
to
provide
20
of
your
units,
you
can
provide
20
of
your
units
as
affordable
units
in
your
project,
you
would
need
to
have
someone
else
monitor
compliance.
I
know
the
iura
talked
about
monitoring
compliance
for
those
projects
if
it
were
a
100,
affordable
project,
an
affordable
developer.
F
That
already
knows
how
to
do
that
they
could
do
that
themselves,
but
to
provide
20
set
aside
of
those
affordable
units.
There
would
be
no
additional
ida
incentive
above
the
seven
or
10-year
abatement
schedule
that
we
already
offer
the
other
option,
which
has
a
significant
number
of
benefits
for
the
community,
was
to
say
to
developers.
F
If
you
can't
make
that
work,
then
pay
a
payment
in
lieu
that
would
go
directly
to
the
county's
housing
development
fund.
It
would
support
which
has
a
10-year
track
record
of
supporting,
affordable
housing
projects.
The
community
housing
development
fund
is
able
to
combine
those
funds
and
leverage
other
state
and
federal
funds
to
make
projects
work.
If
you
talk
to
an
affordable
housing
developer,
they
need
subsidy
to
the
extent
of
up
to
150,
000
or
more
to
develop
a
single
unit
of
affordable
housing.
The
community
housing
development
fund
on
average
has
provided.
F
Per
unit
of
affordable
housing
that's
been
developed
because
the
the
developers
have
been
able
to
leverage
other
resources.
So
we
saw
this
as
another
way
that
developers
could
meet
that
requirement.
We
looked
at
several
different
scenarios
of
dollar
amounts
and
payments.
We
looked
at
some
real
projects
and
what
the
return
on
investment
was.
F
Every
project
we've
seen
downtown
at
the
ida
in
the
past
at
least
10
years
that
I've
been
working
with
the
ida.
Their
return
on
investment
is
very
low.
You
talk
to
a
developer
and
five
years
ago
they
would
have
said
well.
An
eight
percent
return
on
investment
is
adequate.
It's
not
great.
I
could
put
my
money
in
the
bank
and
probably
earn
a
little
bit
more,
but
nowadays
we're
seeing
projects
that
their
their
return
on
investment
is
less
than
three
percent
per
year.
It
doesn't.
H
F
Financial
sense,
nor
can
they
finance
a
project
in
order
to
move
a
project
forward,
and
we've
seen
that
time
and
time
again,
with
a
number
of
housing
projects
downtown
with
herald
square.
It
was
on
again
it
was
off
again
it's
on
again
it's
almost
completed,
but
it
took,
I
think,
about
five
years
to
get
the
finances
together
on
that
and
I'm
just
using
that
as
one
example,
but
many
of
the
projects
downtown
have
run
into
financial
difficulties
and
that's
providing
market
rate
and
above
market
rate
housing.
F
F
So
we
saw
this
as
a
way
to
say:
okay,
what's
a
reasonable
amount,
that
would
not
put
projects
and
looked
at
existing
projects
wouldn't
put
them
in
the
negative
in
terms
of
return,
there
were
three
final
recommendations
and
the
committee
chose
the
highest
of
the
three
and
so
that
what
they
chose
was
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit
for
the
total
number
of
units
in
a
development.
Five
thousand
dollars
per
unit
would
be
set
aside
for
the
community
housing
development
fund.
F
That's
pretty
much
the
same
as
we
just
simplified
it.
It's
the
same
as
saying
take
twenty
percent
of
your
units
times
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
per
that
twenty
percent.
We
sort
of
kept
that
twenty
percent.
The
city
would
like
to
have
seen
twenty
percent
of
the
units
set
aside
for
affordable
housing,
and
I
did
put
together
a
little
bit
of
an
example
that
I
shared
with
jennifer
kushner.
She
may
have
shared
it
with
this
group
that
you
know
for
a
project.
F
If
we
had
a
single
project
here,
it
is
if
we
had
a
200
unit
housing
project,
the
developer
could
could
provide
a
20
set
aside
of
affordable
units,
that'd
be
40
units
of
affordable
housing.
We
could
require
that
they
be
affordable
for
for
the
term
of
the
abatement.
The
ida's
abatement
would
be
10
years.
F
F
It
depends
on
you
know
who
you're
talking
to
the
developers
would
would
always
say
it's
too
large,
everything's
too
large,
but
looking
at
their
return
on
investment
for
some
recent
projects,
like
the
kerry
building,
which
was
you
know,
four
or
five
years
ago,
that
project
it
would
have
been
underwater,
they
never
would
have
been
able
to
make
it
work.
So
what
the
committee
did.
Is
they
recognized
that
you
know
it's
not
a
perfect
solution?
We
don't
know
what
the
perfect
dollar
amount
is.
F
They
passed
the
policy
with
the
five
thousand
dollars
and
per
unit
and
agreed
that
we
would
revisit
that
within
a
year
if
the,
if
every
housing
project
that
comes
through
gets
their
financing
gets
under
construction,
they
pay
it
without
blinking
we're
going
to
adjust
the
number
up.
If
we
see
project
struggle,
if
they
have
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
if
you
know
they
can't
seem
to
secure
financing,
particularly
in
this
environment
today,
then
you
know
we'll
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
come
up
with
other
ideas.
F
F
Who
knows
how
many
of
them
will
move
forward,
but
this
is
a
real
opportunity
right
now
to
get
the
policy
in
place
and
to
start
moving
forward.
So
the
ida
has
adopted
this
policy,
and
so
I
went
back
to
the
city.
I
let
you
all
know
that
this
is
the
policy
they've
adopted
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
at
the
very
least,
is
work
with
the
city
to
get
the
process
aligned
with
the
city,
so
that
projects
have
a
very
clear
path
about
where
to
go
right
now.
The
ctap
application
has
language
in
it.
F
That's
outdated,
not
only
with
housing,
but
with
some
other
things
that
we
wanted
to
clean
up,
but
also
clean
up
that
affordable
housing
language
either
at
the
city
level,
or
not
have
that
language
at
the
city
level
any
longer
so
that
the
idea,
so
the
projects
would
really
know
where
they
need
to
go
and
what
requirements
they
need
to
meet.
So
I
think,
I'm
being
a
little
long-winded.
F
I
think
I've,
given
you
about
as
much
background
as
I
I
can
off
the
top
of
my
head,
and
you
know
I'm
looking
forward
to
a
discussion,
and
you
know
the
the
long-term
implications
of
our
relationship
and
working
together
to
support
more
development
and
a
more
vibrant
downtown.
Now,
especially
more
than
ever.
E
Thanks
heather,
that
was
a
excellent
overview.
Are
there
any
questions
for
heather,
and
I
know
that
the
main
thing
I
if
I
remember
from
last
month's
meeting
is
that
there
were
some
questions
about
how
the
committee
came
to
arrive
at
that
specific
number
for
the
the
in
lieu
payment
and
whether
it
should
be
higher.
That
was
the
biggest
concern
but-
and
it
also
sounds
like
the
idi-
has
already
adopted
this
policy.
That's
correct.
E
So
for
the
city
I
mean,
I
think,
our
just
our
the
question
we've
we've
got
to
decide.
Now
is
what
do
we
do
with
our
ctap
policy?
E
Do
we
go
back
just
to
pairing
it
down?
So
that's
just
based
on
density
and
location,
or
do
we
just
sort
of
get
rid
of
our
step
altogether
and
just
let
the
idea
the
idea
handle
it
and
that's
kind
of
what
the
resolution
that's
in
the
packet
gives
those
two
options
for
moving
forward.
So
are
there
any
questions
for
heather
comments?
G
F
F
They
have
the
ability
to
say,
okay,
we'll
take
the
seven-year
abatement
or
if
they
want
a
10-year
abatement
which
declines
in
in
10
increments
over
that
10-year
period,
they
need.
They
do
need
to
provide
all
of
their
financials,
their
construction
budgets,
their
pro
formas,
everything
that
they
would
be
submitting
to
a
bank
for
financing.
F
So
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
data,
it's
all
confidential,
but
you
know
I
and
my
team
have
been
able
to
look
at
that
data
and
see
that
you
know
most
projects
meet
the
financial
need
scenarios
that
we've
set
the
bar
that
that
we've
set-
and
you
know
quite
frankly,
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
at
the
five
thousand
dollars
a
unit
that
some
projects
might
not
be
feasible,
particularly
the
smaller
ones.
F
When
you
get
into
a
scale
of
you
know,
150
200
units
they're
going
to
crimp
and
save
and
try
and
find
a
way
they
may
have
to
put
more
equity
into
the
deal
they
may
have
to
reduce
some
of
the
amenities.
You
know,
it'll
be
a
back
and
forth
for
them
to
try
and
figure
out
if
they
can
make
it
work.
G
Go
ahead,
donna
yeah!
I
just
want
to
add
that
it
seems
to
me
that
plenty
of
developers
are
able
to
start
profitable
projects
downtown
without
tax
abatement.
So
teresa
and
teresa
alt
wrote
a
great
letter
to
that
point.
But
perhaps
we
don't
need
this
project
this
program,
particularly
for
residential
development
anymore,
and
I
would
I
would
love
to
see
more
focus
on
job
development,
industrial
development
downtown
because
we
were
focusing
on
hospitality.
G
F
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
teresa
teresa
comes
to
the
ida
meetings.
She
makes
a
lot
of
comments
and
I'm
always
happy
to
sit
down
with
teresa
and
talk
through.
You
know
some
of
her
thinking
on
some
of
those
comments.
I've
seen
the
financials
on
all
the
projects,
downtown
they've,
all
been
financially
very,
very
thin.
F
So
you
know
on
the
face
of
it
and
me
seeing
the
financials
underneath
the
costs
of
development
downtown
are
very
high
and
they
continue
to
be
very
high
and
it
it
makes
development
very
difficult.
It
wasn't
really
until
the
city
had
increased
the
density
and
the
height
and
the
the
zoning
that
we
even
saw
any
development.
F
F
F
Yes,
you
have
a
public
hearing,
a
committee,
approves
it
sends
it.
The
mayor
sends
a
letter
on
to
the
ida,
it's
administrative
for
the
most
part,
and
you
know
the
ida
very
much
appreciates
our
relationship
with
the
city
and
our
partnership
with
the
city,
and
you
know
we're
willing
to
continue
to
deliver
incentives
or
we
don't
need
to
deliver
incentives.
You
know-
and
I
would
welcome
that
conversation
with
the
ida
and
with
the
city.
I
think
that's
a
much
bigger
conversation.
I
Thanks
thanks
for
coming
and
talking
to
us,
I
have
a
question
and
a
comment.
I
I
second
donna's
comment
about
the
importance
of
developing
good-paying
jobs
in
the
city
of
ithaca,
and
I
would
hope
that
the
ida
will
look
at
those
types
of
developments
to
encourage
doesn't
have
to
be
downtown,
could
be
on
cherry
street.
I
My
question
is
about
the
the
fee
in
lieu
of
building
affordable
housing.
If
a
developer
who's
doing
a
project
in
the
city
goes
that
route
and.
F
F
I
Last
final
comment:
the
local
labor
component
is
very
important.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
development,
maybe
10
years
ago,
a
little
less
in
which
developers
contractors
were
bringing
in
non-union
and
and
labor.
That
was
willing
to
work
for
not
the
going
rate
and
with
questionable
skills.
I
That
was
a
big
problem
and
I
think
the
labor,
the
local
labor
component
is
essential.
F
Thank
you,
george,
and
I
I
hope
you
know
that
our
cons,
our
our
construction
labor
committee,
has
been
revitalized
and
we've
been
looking
at
the
data
that
we've
been
gathering
through
our
existing
policy
over
the
past
four
years
of
development,
and
the
committee
is
really
committed
to
to
working
through
that
and
making
some
further
recommendations
about
how
we
can
continue
to
and
probably
better
support,
more
local
construction,
labor.
I
B
Yes,
thank
you
and,
and
thank
you,
george,
for
mentioning
the
local
labor
component.
You
know,
since
that
has
been
a
requirement
from
the
city
portion
of
the
ctap.
It
would
be
good
to
receive
a
report
on
that
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have,
since
that
policy
was
put
into
place.
F
I'm
happy
to
come
back
to
this
committee
and
and
provide
a
report,
I'm
happy
to
provide
it
to
seth.
The
the
ida
did
actually
adopt
a
county-wide
construction,
labor
policy,
so
we're
gathering
data
county-wide.
The
majority
of
the
projects.
The
larger
projects
have
been
in
the
city
and
you
know
I'd
be
I'd,
be
happy
to
come
back
at
your
request
and
and
fill
you
in
on
on
what
we're
seeing.
B
F
B
Okay,
great
thank
you.
You
know
building
on
donna's
comment
earlier,
and
I
recognize
that
this
is
not
what's
before
us
now,
but
I
I
do
agree
that
I
would
like
to
see
the
ida
revert
to
its
mission
with
regards
to
job
creation,
rather
than
real
estate
development.
B
The
impacts
in
terms
of
as
you
mentioned,
the
amount
of
foregone
tax
dollars
that
were
not
received
by
our
school
district,
not
received
by
the
county
not
received
by
the
city,
was
significant
as
you
identified,
and
I
I
think
when
we
first
enacted
this
seth.
I
recall
we
were
talking
about
like
if
this
was
considered
to
be
fantastically
successful
and
all
these
developments
came
online.
B
We
would
have
the
opportunity
to
say:
okay,
we've
we've
achieved
our
goal
and
it's
time
to
reassess-
and
I
I
do
feel
that
it
is
time
to
reassess
and
and
basically
put
this
baby
to
bed
and
and
not
utilize
it
as
a
resource
anymore,
and
to
allow
our
focus
to
build,
build
and
develop
a
more
diverse
economy
and
a
diversity
of
job
opportunities
and
industry
for
our
residents.
So
I
would
100
be
in
support
of
taking
it
even
farther
and
eliminating
the
density
location,
size
requirements
for
the.
E
We
will
be
revisiting
this
issue
a
little
later
in
the
evening,
because
we've
got
a
draft
resolution
to
look
at
so
anyways
if
there
are
no
other
comments
or
questions
for
heather.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
heather
for
coming
tonight
and
having
the
conversation,
and
I
really
always
appreciate
your
willingness
and
openness
to
come
here
and
talk
about
these.
E
Issues
right
thanks,
heather
joanne
do
we
are,
is
theresa
and
hector
still
in
the
waiting
room.
J
Yeah,
theresa
alt
is
up
first
okay
and
then
hector
and
then
marty
hiller
has
joined
us
as
well.
So
if
we're
ready,
I'm
gonna
let
theresa
in.
K
Okay,
the
statement
that
actually
many
of
you
saw
before
is
both
on
behalf
of
me:
teresa
alt
of
eddie
street
and
teresa
halpert
of
south
geneva
street
you're,
getting
from
heather
two
alternatives,
but
they're
really
the
same.
It's
to
give
up
city
influence
over
the
criteria
and
by
the
way,
what
I,
what
she
hasn't
talked
about
and
what
doesn't
seem
to
be
in
the
resolution
anywhere.
K
So
you
know
yeah
tax
incentives
are
the
ideas
prerogative,
but
as
we're
now
hearing
they're
supposed
to
be
for
jobs
and
I'm
glad
that
people
are
now
thinking
about
what
some
people
were
saying
some
years
ago,
that
ctap
has
done
its
job.
There's
a
lot
of
dense
housing
now
a
lot
of
hotels
in
central
downtown
soon
on
the
waterfront
too,
and
unfortunately,
all
this
building
has
rarely
brought
us
the
workforce,
housing,
that's
what
we
really
need
and
it
may
even
be
becoming
counterproductive,
because
it's
taking
up
all
the
land
where
one
could
build
affordable
housing.
K
If
you
know,
and
if
the
land's
gone
then
even
if
the
funding's
there,
you
can't
build
it
and
that's
why
I
came
to
the
suggestion:
abolish
the
ctap
program.
It's
not.
I
mean
heather
talks
about
how
that
25
000
fee
out
or
call
it
5
000
for
every
unit
gets
leveraged
in
such
wonderful
ways,
but
that
only
happens
when
you
know
that's
not
there's
not
some
miracle
that
happens
when
there's
federal
funding
or
state
funding
available,
and
if
the
federal
and
state
funding
goes
then
locally.
K
K
F
L
This
is
interesting.
Oh,
you
have
no
idea
yeah.
So
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me,
I'm
hector
chang,
I'm
the
interim
program
director
at
bike
walk.
We
I'm
not
gonna
talk
too
much.
We
actually
put
in
a
letter,
and
that
should
be
in
your
agenda
packet
and
it's
a
joint
letter
from
us
by
byron,
tompkins,
the
friends
of
stewart
park
and
ribs.
We
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
L
Oh,
we
wanted
to
kind
of
express
some
of
our
concerns,
but
also
excitement
for
the
nice
dot
proposal
to
change
the
way
that
buffalo
and
court
streets
might
work.
L
But
we
want
you
to
be
very
cautious
as
you
go
about
looking
at
the
proposal,
it
seems,
like
the
city
is
very
much
on
the
right
track
with
some
of
the
questions
that
were
initially
shared
in
the
packet
that
went
out
to
the
public,
but
I
just
wanted
to
highly
recommend
that
the
city
and
livestock
put
the
safety
and
comfort
of
people
walking
and
biking
in
that
quarter
as
their
top
priority.
L
We
provide
some
data
to
show
that
it's
a
very
busy
bicycling
and
pedestrian
corridor.
It's
also
a
very
dangerous
quarter.
As
you
know,
buffalo
and
meadow
is
actually
this
intersection
that
has
the
second
highest.
That's
ranked
number
two
as
the
worst
pedestrian
intersection
in
the
county.
L
So
when
I
read
the
nissan
proposal,
I
was
kind
of
shocked
that
the
word
pedestrian
or
bikes
bicyclists
was
not
nowhere
anywhere
in
that
in
that,
like
specific
list
of
proposals,
and
we
included
a
list
of
questions
that
I
encourage
you
guys
to
take
a
look
at
it's
kind
of
page
two
and
three
of
that
letter.
Hopefully
it'll
guide
some
of
your
discussions
with
nice
stock
going
forward.
L
We're
here
happy
to
help
both
rick
and
I
and
also
nicholas,
know
this
area
pretty
extensively
just
wanted
to
give
you
our
support
and
our
concerns
at
the
same
time.
Thank
you.
L
E
E
M
Hi,
I'm
marty
hiller,
and
I
am
speaking
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
ithaca
community
gardens
over
the
past
two
years.
Our
gardeners
have
put
in
countless
hours
of
volunteer
time
planning
a
reconfiguration
of
the
gardens
in
conjunction
with
the
carpenter
circle
development,
we're
expecting
to
receive
many
benefits
from
the
developers,
including
regrading
and
improved
soils,
new
gardens
infrastructure
and
a
rainwater
catchment
system
that
will
provide
irrigation
water
for
our
garden
plots.
M
M
We
were
expecting
all
of
those
pieces
to
be
in
place
before
the
final
approval
of
the
pud.
The
proposal
in
tonight's
project,
update
to
subdivide
the
project
into
two
phases
turns
that
process
on
its
head.
We
have
not
been
included
in
the
conversation
and
we
need
to
be
included
when
changes
that
affect
the
gardens
are
under
discussion.
M
M
We're
asking
that
any
approvals
that
are
needed
for
phase
one
include
conditions
that
ensure
the
gardens
reconfiguration
will
continue
to
move
forward
in
addition
to
the
existing
contingencies
for
the
real
estate
and
lease
agreements,
we're
asking
for
a
requirement
for
binding
legal
agreements
with
the
developers
in
the
city
that
would,
among
other
things,
specify
how
costs
will
be
covered
and
detail.
The
timing
and
phasing
of
the
movement
of
gardeners
from
the
current
leased
land
to
the
reconfigured
gardens.
M
E
Thanks
marty
is
that
the
last
of
our
public
speakers.
E
So
then
we
also
had
the
there
was
a
something
from
the
friends
of
newman.
Let
me
see.
M
E
So
this
is
from
the
friends
of
newman
golf
course.
Friends
of
newman
has
been
closely
following
the
developments
surrounding
the
city,
harbor
project
city,
harbor's
nearest
neighbor.
The
golf
course
has
a
vested
interest
in
seeing
how
this
plan
will
ultimately
be
implemented,
along
with
preserving,
promoting
and
enhancing
the
course.
E
We
hope
to
make
newman
more
useful
to
our
citizens
and
more
profitable
for
the
city,
as
some
of
you
may
know,
friends
of
newman
was
instrumental
in
calling
attention
to
the
fact
that
the
turnaround
plan
for
the
project
encroaches
on
the
ninth
green,
to
such
an
extent
that
it
necessitates
the
relocation
of
that
green,
approximately
70
to
80
yards
north
of
its
current
location.
It
is
our
understanding
that
developers
have
agreed
to
cover
the
cost
for
those
relocation
efforts.
Although
we
don't
know
if
that
agreement
has
been
formalized.
E
Perhaps
this
is
something
for
your
committee
to
reconsider.
We
know
the
golfing
public
would
like
some
assurances
about
this.
Is
the
city
taking
formal
steps
to
secure
an
agreement
about
this
larger
part
of
our
interest
in
this
project
has
to
do
with
the
stated
intention
to
build
a
new
community
center?
That
would
provide
services
to
both
the
golfing
and
boating
public.
We
support
this
concept
of
a
shared
community
center
and
see
it
as
an
important
feature
in
the
overall
project.
E
Such
a
community
center
has
the
potential
to
attract
more
year-round
activity
in
and
around
newman
will
be
a
tremendous
improvement
over
the
current
80-year
clubhouse
80
year
old
clubhouse.
That
appears
to
be
in
need
of
extensive
maintenance.
Over
the
past
months,
we
have
asked
both
the
city
and
city
harbor
development
team,
several
questions
about
the
community
center
project.
To
date,
we
have
yet
to
hear
anything
definitive
regarding
the
actual
construction
plans,
building
ownership
and
overall
management
of
the
space.
E
Some
of
our
questions
include
who
will
cover
the
cost
of
design
and
construction
who
will
own
the
building
and
or
who
will
operate
the
facility?
How
will
the
construction
be
funded
if
the
city
is
responsible
for
construction
costs?
Will
it
require
a
bond
initiative?
Is
the
city
considering
any
alternatives
such
as
intensive
renovations
to
the
current
clubhouse?
How
will
various
stakeholders
such
as
golfers,
boaters
and
hikers,
be
included
in
the
decision-making
process?
Will
there
be
community
forums
to
help
create
the
design
and
plans?
E
Will
the
center
be
open
year-round
to
provide
a
meeting
space,
musical
entertainment,
special
lectures
as
well
as
food
and
beverages?
How
will
the
city
and
developers
resolve
the
many
issues
that
surround
this
component
of
the
project?
Where
exactly
will
the
community
center
be
located
on
the
course
does
the
plan
continue
to
be
situated
in
on
the
site
of
the
old
ninth
green?
E
E
Okay,
I
think
I
got
it
so
good
evening.
I
wish
to
reiterate
the
concerns
I
expressed
to
your
committee
one
month
ago
regarding
the
new
york
state
department
of
transportation's
west
end
couplet
plan
to
reroute
route,
96
traffic
for
one
block
segments
of
west
buffalo,
west
court
streets,
I'll,
say
again
what
I
said
before
I
don't
see
how
this
plan
will
work.
Not
only
is
it
likely
to
snarl
westbound
traffic,
particularly
during
ithaca's
evening
commute.
E
The
change
could
also
endanger
lives
by
delaying
bangs
ambulance
access,
both
the
cubicle
medical
center
and
to
patients
who
need
medical
attention
on
west
hill.
I'm
a
council
person
from
the
town
of
enfield.
I
speak
here
tonight
for
myself,
not
the
board,
but
when
county
legislator
ann
corman
shared
this
one
block
one-way
couplet
plan
with
my
fellow
town
board
members
september
9th.
E
My
colleagues
voiced
surprise
and
concern
we'd
not
heard
of
this
plan,
and
we
questioned
its
feasibility
and
its
impact
on
west
hill
residents,
including
on
their
safety
ambulance,
delays,
cost
lives
and
impact
every
city
and
county
resident.
Moreover,
while
the
divided
one-way
traffic
may
appear
good
on
paper
or
in
a
computer
model,
it
may
not
work
when
the
human
factor
is
added
in
habits
change
when
traffic
jams,
drivers
game
the
system.
E
I
recommend
you
demand
hearings
that
dot
engineers
fully
explain
themselves
and
answer
our
residents
questions
really
where
the
state
will
impose
this
plan
on
ithaca
without
adequate
forethought.
It
could
make
a
mess
make
for
a
mess
rather
than
these
route
13
congestion.
I
could
worsen
it.
Please
don't
endorse
this
plan
tonight,
demand
more
study
and
discussion
as
we
responsibly
redevelop,
ithaca's
west
end.
Let's
not
make
a
bad
traffic
situation
even
worse,
and
one
life
lost
is
one
too
many
respectfully
submitted
robert
a
lynch
council
person,
town
of
edville.
E
I
believe
that
was
the
last
of
the
comments
we
got
to
read
into
the
record,
all
right,
okay,
so
next
up
is
announcements
updates
and
reports.
So
we
have
a
memo
from
nick's
goldsmith,
summarizing
sustainability.
Efforts
to
date
is
nick
joining
us,
or
is
this
something.
J
No,
no,
I
told
them-
we've
been
working
so
closely.
I
told
them
that
I
would
handle
anything,
so
I
could
give
a
brief
update
of
where
we
are
and
just
some
additional
information.
J
So
I
I
don't
think
I
need
to
reiterate
the
memo
that
nick
sent
out
to
you,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
our
efforts
to
return
focus
to
the
green
new
deals
now
that
we're
fully
staffed
again,
we
have
amped
it
up.
We
have
a
group,
that's
called
the
green
new
deal
interim
advisory
committee
that
has
been
meeting.
J
I
think
we've
had
three
meetings
since
july
august
and
september.
We
were
on
pause
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic
and
now,
of
course,
we're
having
remote
meetings.
The
nick
has
been
working
on
the
the
code
supplement
for
new
buildings
and
we're
hoping
that
you
will
see
that
draft
by
the
end
of
the
year
for
adoption
early
in
2021.
J
We're
also
looking
at
and
working
with
the
mayor
to
introduce
reintroduce
the
green
new
deal
to
our
senior
staff
in
the
city
of
ithaca
for
the
city's
efforts
and
and
hope
that
we
will
be
adding
council
and
electeds
to
to
some
of
the
topics
we'll
be
discussing
so
pretty
soon,
probably
next
week
we're
to
be
starting
on
some
ebless.
J
So
we're
really
trying
to
get
the
jargon
and
the
terminology.
Everyone
understanding
what
it
means,
a
common
understanding
of
some
of
that.
So
our
first
e-blast
will
go
out
next
week
and
that
will
be
on
carbon
neutrality
and
we're
asking
everyone
who
gets
the
email
to
then
send
it
out
to
their
list
serves
if
they're,
that
they're
not
already
on
the
list.
Just
to
start
people.
Thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
reach
our
goals
by
2030..
J
J
And,
of
course,
our
friend
and
very
active
committee
member
kirby
edmonds
helped
a
lot
in
informing
some
of
these.
So
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
him
as
well
wherever
he
may
be,
and
we
we're
pretty
excited
moving
forward
and
finally,
after
our
pause.
J
So
that's
the
update
and
so
just
watch
for
things
we're
going
to
start
releasing
information.
E
Any
any
questions
for
joining
on
that.
Okay.
So
next
up
there's
a
update
on
my
carpenter
circle
project.
E
C
And,
and
also
because
we
expect
that
the
planning
board
to
may
issue
final
approval
for
phase
one
of
the
project
this
month.
So
then
it
could
come
back
to
you,
for
it
could
come
back
to
council
for
approval
of
the
pud,
and
so
we
wanted
to
just
know.
If
you
know,
if
you
had
any
questions
or
wanted
to
talk
about
anything
before
that
happened,.
E
Great,
so
I
know
that
there's
the
memos
here
and
we've
got
the
resolution
from
the
planning
board.
Are
there
any
questions
for
lisa,
knowing
that
we're
going
to
have
a
big
discussion
later
in
the
evening
about
the
couplet.
E
H
Yeah,
thank
you
lisa
for
this
memo.
Can
you
comment
on
give
any
update
on
the
funding
for
the
affordable
residential
building?
Is
there
any
new
information.
C
Well,
I
know
that
they,
you
know,
have
put
in
an
application
for
the
latest
funding
round,
so
they
feel
that-
and
they
have
been
told
by
hcr,
that
having
final
approval
would
be
helpful.
You
know
for
that
for
getting
from
him.
Thank
you,
and
it
is
in
the
first
phase
right.
E
J
Everything
yeah
we've
had
three
vacations
planning
board.
It
has
to
have
to
basically
start
with
that
site
plan
that
eliminates
the
affordable
housing
or,
if
there's
a
substitute
but
yeah,
it
has
to
be
reviewed
again
by
council.
If
that
doesn't
happen,.
B
C
I
mean
if
there
was
a
change
that
was
inconsistent
with
the
environmental
review.
Then
it
would
you
would
reopen
it
if
you
know
yeah.
B
E
Thanks,
okay,
set
it
for
questions,
okay,
so
then
next
we
have
the
discussion
about
the
ctac
and
the
workforce
housing
requirement
and
there
is
a
resolution
in
the
packet.
I
believe
this
is
the
same
resolution
we
have
before
minus
the
sections
on
the
boundary
right
is
that
right,
jennifer.
G
Yeah,
that's
correct.
I
just
deleted
the
the
whereases
and
the
resolves
that
pertain
to
the
boundary
expansion.
E
Okay,
so
I
guess
I
mean
it's,
and
this
is
for
circulation.
Is
that
correct,
so
we're
circulating
this.
G
It
doesn't
have
to
be
circulated,
we're
recommending
it
be
circulated.
Yes,.
E
G
E
Okay,
so
are,
are
there
any,
I
mean?
Are
there
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
for
staff?
Do
we
feel
like
we're
ready
to
decide
on
this?
You
see
steve
is
nodding.
His
head
is
there
I
mean,
if
is
there
a
preference
between
either
of
these
options.
B
I
recognize
what
what
is
trying
to
be
accomplished
here
in
terms
of
the
confusion
between
the
two
programs
and
and
basically,
if,
if
I
understand
correctly
effectively
the
second
or
the
last
resolve
resolve
three
b
for
lack
of
a
a
better
term
on
the
original
agenda,
would
would
effectively
eliminate
the
local,
the
city
ctap
program
period,
except
for
requesting
the
ida
to
recognize
the
density,
location,
size
and
municipal
compliance
requirements.
H
B
I
do,
as
I
stated
earlier,
I
think
our
ctap
has
been
enormously
successful
in
the
goals
that
it
had
set
out
for
that
we
had
set
out
about
it.
You
know.
Just
under
a
decade
ago,
we
have
seen
a
fantastic
number
of
projects
come
online,
much
to
the
point
that
that
there
is
a
large
population
of
the
public
that
feels
that
we've
we've
done.
B
You
know
almost
too
much
too
quickly,
and
I
I
think
that
at
this
point
in
time
it
definitely
seems
appropriate
that
we
eliminate
the
c-tap
altogether
in
terms
of
the
density
location,
size
requirement.
E
I
think
that
that's
a
much
bigger
conversation
with
the
ida,
I
think
it's
like
heather,
was
saying
that
if
we're
going
to
get
rid
of
the
ctap,
it
sounds
like
what
you're
saying
is
that
you?
You
want
the
ida
to
see
screening
the
evas
abatements
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
bigger
conversation
than
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
tonight,
because.
B
I
think
I
think
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
want
to
eliminate
the
city's
recommendation
that
that
abatements
be
given
to
real
estate
developments
in
the
downtown
area
of
any
size
as
long
as
they
are
three
stories:
half
a
million
dollar
investment
or,
more
and
in
in
the
downtown
map
zone,
and
allow
the
ctap
or
allow
the
ida
to
look
at
a
project
on
its
merits
and
determine
it
in
general,
with
the
view
of
the
larger
community
benefit,
rather
than
the
city's
focus
on
increasing
density
in
the
downtown
core.
B
Well,
they're,
both
I
don't
have
the
updated
agenda
that
was
sent
out
earlier.
I
have
the
original
agenda,
so
there
were
two
number
threes.
It
was
the
last
number
three,
but
to
revise
it
to
eliminate
density,
location,
size
and
municipal
compliant.
Well,
I
don't
know
I
I
like
the
arena
so
called
municipal
compliance
component.
E
The
city
hereby
requests
that
the
idi
application
include
density,
location,
size
and
municipal
compliance
requirements
for
any
city
projects
and
hereby
eliminates
the
city
application
process
for
tax
abatement
requests.
So
this
doesn't
mean
that
the
ida
would
no
longer
grant
abatements.
For
you
know,
mixed-use
housing
projects
in
the
urban
core.
All
this
says
is
that
it
removes
the
city
step
which
essentially
is
joanne
the
mayor
and
and
nells
basically
rubber,
stamping
it
and
then
have
holding
a
a
public
meeting.
B
I
E
B
B
I'm
arguing
that
I
think
the
ida's
mandate
by
new
york
state
is
job
development
and
economic
development
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
focus
to
be
on
economic
development
and
not
real
estate
development
in
the
downtown
core
and
the
city.
Ctap
program
recommends
to
the
ida
that
the
ida
support
real
estate
development
in
the
downtown
core
as
a
component
of
economic
development,
and
I'm
suggesting
that
we
remove
that
recommendation.
H
E
That's
not
what
this
re.
The
choice
is
being
presented
with
this
resolution.
That's
not
the
choice
that's
being
presented,
and
I
think
what
I
was
saying
before,
as
heather
said,
is,
if
we're
proposing
to
abolish
this
program,
I
think
that's
going
to
require
a
much
larger
conversation
with
the
ida
they're
not
here
tonight.
You
know:
they've
already
adopted
this
workforce
housing
requirement
that
they've
worked
on
extensively
they're
now
asking
us
to
bring
our
policy
in
line
with
theirs.
E
It's
a
much
bigger
conversation
to
say:
okay,
we're
just
going
to
stop
granting
abatements
we're
going
to
stop
incentivizing
housing
downtown
doesn't
mean
that
we,
we
can't
have
that
conversation,
but
I
don't
think
that
it's
in
the
you
know
we
need
to
have
the
ida
present
members
of
the
idea.
We
should
have
heather
present,
just
as
she
said
earlier
today.
If
we're
going
to
have
that
conversation.
B
Well,
as
as
as
heather
has
identified
and
has
been
discussed
before,
the
decision
has
always
been
the
ideas,
it's
never
been
the
city
decision.
The
city
makes
a
recommendation
that
this
is
the
kind
of
economic
development
that
it
wants
to
see
to
the
ida
that
the
decision
ultimately
has
always
been
the
idea
and
they
have
the
power
to
grant
whether
we
recommend
it
or
not.
B
So
they've
always
had
that
power
vested
in
them.
The
ctep
program
is
merely
a
city
recommendation.
It's
a
city
program
that
we
recommend
to
the
ida,
and
so
yes,
I
do
believe
it's
entirely
within
the
council's
purview
to
to
modify
that
recommendation.
B
So
if,
if
what
you're
saying
is
that
we
can't
discuss
it
because
it's
not
an
option,
that's
been
laid
out,
I'm
just
saying
I.
I
believe
that
it
should
be
an
option
to
be
laid
out
and
if,
if
we're
not
ready
for
that
conversation
now
I
understand
that
I
do
think
it's
a
valid
conversation
to
be
had
and,
of
course,
as
chair,
it's
up
to
you
to
determine
whether
or
not
that
conversation
comes
forward
or
not,
but
I
am
requesting
that
conversation.
I
think
it's
time.
E
So
you
know
I'd
say
I'm
not
saying
that
the
conversation
shouldn't
happen.
You
know
I
think
discussion
is
important,
but
you
know,
as
we've
learned
from
from
past
history.
E
G
Yes,
I'm
in
favor
of
what's
called
number
three
on
the
current
agenda,
but
I
do
have
a
question
about
why.
Why
is
eliminating
the
density,
location
and
size
criteria
equivalent
to
abolishing
the
program?
It's
the
program?
It's
I
don't
understand
that
conclusion.
H
E
E
I
think
I
think
cynthia
was
suggesting
that
we
have
the
larger
conversation
about
getting
rid
of
this
program
altogether,
that
the
idea
no
longer
grant
tax
abatements
to
real
estate
projects
in
downtown
ithaca,
and
I
think
that's
what
I
was
alluding
to.
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
conversation
about,
we
no
longer
want
to
this
attack
program,
then
the
ida
needs
to
be
involved
in
that.
E
H
Well,
no,
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
I
think
this
is
a
larger
discussion
if
we're
talking
about
eliminating
ctap
and
that's
a
decision
that
would
rest
with
the
ida.
So
it's
a
larger
conversation
and
I
think
what
number
three
does-
and
I
would
support
donna's
motion
as
well-
is
that
this
will
eliminate
redundancy.
H
G
I
do
have
a
question
about
those
phrases,
the
density,
location
and
size
requirements,
and
I
know
that
they're
not
binding
to
the
ida,
but
the
implication
of
that
is
that
the
ida,
then
in
the
city,
would
give
preference
we're
asking
the
idea
to
give
preference
to
dense
housing
projects
rather
than
less
dense,
say,
light
manufacturing
and
technology
businesses.
Is
that
correct
because
they're
not
dense,
nobody
lives
there.
E
This
is
a
program
that
was
created
that
sort
of
extracurricular
supplemental
to
their
primary
mission,
and
the
idea
is
that
we
were
trying-
and
you
know
this
is
an
old
program.
It
goes
all
the
way
back
to
early
2000s
yeah,
trying
to
spur
more
compact
mixed
use,
development
in
the
urban
core
of
the
city,
and
the
rationale
is
that
it's
so
expensive
to
develop
in
those
areas
that
the
incentive
is
necessary
to
facilitate
the
project.
E
E
Have
that
bigger
conversation,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
do
that,
but
I
just
think:
well
simply,
did
you
get
a
comment.
B
Yeah,
you
know
just
I
think,
you're
alluding
to
it
now
we
we
have
no
power
to
grant
a
tax
abatement.
What
the
ctap
is
is
a
recommendation
process,
so
it
sets
forward
a
set
of
priorities
that,
based
on
these
priorities,
we
recommend
to
the
ida
and
in
fact
it's
not
even
us
really
it's
it's.
The
mayor
writing
a
letter
because
there's
never
a
vote
of
counsel
to
recommend
a
project
for
a
tax
abatement.
B
We
we
receive
a
public
hearing
and
we
are
part
of
a
public
hearing,
but
council
actually
doesn't
have
any
action
in
this,
and
so
it
is
about
what
are
our
priorities
here
and
if
we
are
going
through
this
process
now
and-
and
this
might
be
a
good
time
to
have
this
conversation
just
to
clarify
what
it
is
that
we
are
recommending
so
yeah
just
to
clarify
this
city,
the
city
has
no
authority
in
this.
It
is
the
ctap
is
merely
a
recommendation
process,
as
I
understand
to
the
ida.
E
Yep,
so
we
do
have
a
motion
on
the
table
any
further
discussion
on
the
motion,
so
this
is
donna
move
number
three
I
think
steve
seconded,
so
all
in
favor
of
option,
number
three
and
all
posts,
and
that
carries
four
one.
E
J
E
J
It
doesn't
have
to
be
circulated,
but
if
so,
it's
really
your
your
comfort
level
of
taking
us
right
onto
council
or
we
can
circulate
and
bring
it
back
next
month,
doesn't
require
circulation.
D
E
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
I'm
in
favor
moving
on
to
council,
I
mean
if
we
it
turns
out,
we
need
more
time.
We
can
always
table
it.
I
think
I
think,
having
this
discussion
with
the
pool
council
is
beneficial.
E
So
any
other
comment
further
comment
on
this:
all
in
favor
of
sending
this
out
to
council
all
opposed
and
that
carries
401.
Thank
you.
Jennifer.
E
Next
up
we
have
the
water
waterfront
guidelines.
Do
we
have
alex
on,
or
is
this.
J
It
really
is
housekeeping
and
it's
just
to
bring
the
previous
zoning
designations
in
the
in
the
waterfront
area
and
reclassify
them
into
the
new
zoning.
All
right
jen
did.
You
have
anything
to
add.
G
E
Eve,
do
you
know
that
steve
moves
laura's
seconds?
Any
comment
on
this?
Are
we
ready
to
send
this
on
to
council
all
in
favor,
perfect
that
carries.
E
E
E
J
Complicated
and
we
we
have
some
good
news-
that
kind
of
changes,
the
shifts
that
focus
that
we
were
going
to
talk
about
tonight.
So
so
I
think
most
of
you
got
the
email
today
from
probably
various
sources,
about
the
build
grant
federal
grant
for
the
planning
study
of
the
route
13
corridor,
and
so
with
that
which
was
very
good
news.
It's
hard
to
get
a
build
grant.
J
We
I
don't
know
that
we've
ever
gotten
one
we've
applied
multiple
times
and
and
kudos
to
engineering
and
planning
and
iura.
Everyone
had
a
hand
in
it.
So
lisa
you
want
to
just
take
it
away
from
there.
C
Sure
yeah,
as
you
you
know,
as
you
saw,
I
did
not
include
a
resolution
in
your
packet
this
time
because
after
getting
there,
you
know
after
getting
all
the
comments
we
circulated
as
as
you
requested,
and
you
have
the
comments.
You've
received
the
comments
in
your
packet.
C
I
think
there
was
some
some
of
them
got
taken
out
of
the
packet,
but
we'll
make
sure
you
have
all
of
the
comments
and
then
you
know
the
other
thing
that
happened
this
month
was
you
know
we
really
understood
that
a
dot
was
is,
was
requiring
like
a
a
approval
and
concept
of
the
couplet
for
them
to
permit
any
work
in
the
dot
right
away,
related
to
city,
harbor
and
carpenter
circle
projects,
and
so
there
was
some
urgency
to
get
this
going
and,
as
you
recall,
the
the
carpenter
circle
has.
C
You
know
the
fifth
street
intersection
as
well
as
sidewalks
and
other
work
in
the
d.o.t,
right-of-way
and
city
harbor
had
a
enhance.
You
know
a
lot
of
work
on
the
intersection,
including
a
really
upgraded
pedestrian
and
bike
crossings.
So
that's
why
we
were
bringing
it
to
you
originally,
and
then
you
know
the
planning
board
last
month
decided
to
grant
final
approval
of
the
city
harbor
project,
feeling
that
that
it,
you
know,
constructions
in
the
last
24
months.
C
The
city
and
the
applicant
and
dot
could
continue
to
work
on
this
during
the
construction
period
and
they
didn't
see
a
reason
to
hold
it
up.
So
we
expect
them
to
do
the
same
for
for
carpenter
circle
this
month
for
phase
one.
So
you
know
it
gave
us
a
little
chance
to
kind
of
step
back
and
say:
okay.
Well,
what
what
do
we
want
to
do
in
the
waterfront?
C
And
you
saw
the
the
map
that
we
provided
in
your
packet
of
all
the
project
sites
that
are
somehow
in
play
and
we're
expecting
either
they're
built
they're
under
construction,
they're
expected
to
be
under
construction,
or
we
expect
them
to
come
so
we're
feeling,
like
you
know,
we
really
need.
Maybe
the
couplet
is
a
is
a
good
idea
or
the
investigation
of
it
is
a
good
idea,
but
we
really
need
something.
That's
going
to
serve
the
whole
waterfront
vision.
C
I
mean,
I
think,
the
city
like
when
we
did
when
you
adopted
the
zoning
and
the
waterfront
plan
and
the
and
the
design
guidelines.
It
was
really
setting
the
stage
for
all
this
development
and
we
never
expected
it
to
happen
so
fast,
and
so
until
we
figure
this
out,
I
think
we're
gonna
continue
to
have.
I
don't
want
to
really
call
them
conflicts
but
disagreements
fundamental
disagreements
with
the
d.o.t.
C
I
mean
we're
on
perfectly
good
terms,
but
no
they
want
to
get
cars
through
the
corridor
as
fast
as
possible,
and
the
city
has
a
vision
of
like
multi-modal,
transportation
and
multi.
You
know
mixed-use
development,
it's
kind
of
a
different
approach,
and
so
you
know
with
that
and
then
suddenly
we
get
this
and
we
heard
today
that
we
got
the
build
grant.
C
C
I
think
we're
more
just
giving
an
update
on
that
then
asking
for
any
particular
decision,
because
since
we
heard
about
the
bill
grant,
you
know
we
do
have
to
follow
up
with
dot
and
find
out
what
it
means
for
for
us
to
work
together
on
on
this
so
and
how
we
can
hopefully
design
the
scope
to
include
the
accommodating
the
development
that
you
saw
on
the
map.
That
was
in
your
packet.
E
C
I
think
that
so
it's
for
planning
and
design,
so
yeah
there's
been
a
lot
of
data
collected
for
these
two
projects
that
could
certainly
be
used
as
part
of
the
planning.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
and
with
that
map,
if
you
did
a
build
out
you
could
I
mean
we
have
the.
I
think
we
got
a
lot
of
data
that
could
be
used
for
the
with
the
planning
and
then
it
then
the
design
is
a
you
know.
C
How
do
we
come
together
with
d.o.t
to
you
know
to
you
know
we
have
slightly
differing
objectives
for
the
waterfront.
How
do
we
find
a
compromise
there
and
then
it
would
be
designed
for
whatever
interventions
were
selected.
We
already
know
what
some
of
those
are
going
to
be.
The
fifth
street
intersection,
which
is
partially
designed
already.
J
Yeah
and
part
of
our
conversation
yesterday,
which
was
quite
lengthy
and
seth,
was
a
part
of
that
is
we
were
our
approach.
Tonight
was
going
to
appeal
to
common
council
to
consider
funding
or
partially
funding
a
study
for
the
corridor
because
we
just
feel
like
you
know,
if
moving
forward
with
these
development
projects,
we
we're
going
to
run
into
the
exact
same
issues
for
everyone
and
now
that
we
know
that
the
dot
site
sold
on
yesterday
it
was
actually-
and
that
was
about
a
million
over
the
minimum
bid
price.
J
So
we're
going
to
be
facing
this
with
all
of
that
development
and
but
because
we
got
the
build
grant,
we
feel
as
though
we'll
be
able
to
study
it,
including
the
couplet,
which
I
know
we
had
public
comment
about
tonight.
There's
a
lot
of
concern,
as
you
saw
in
your
packets
and
that's
just
one
of
the
options
really
with
a
comprehensive
look.
We
there
may
be
many.
L
J
We
just
don't
know
until
you
know
someone
takes
a
look
but,
as
lisa
said,
we
have
a
lot
of
data
for
the
traffic
on
the
corridor
so
and
the
timing
is
important.
So
we
have
to
get
going
on
that
study.
B
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
questions
about
the
the
grant
itself,
so
I'm
I
found
the
email
from
nels
and
he
announces
the
the
grant
for
one
point:
1.4
million
that
has
been
approved.
It
says
that
it's
a
50
grand
so
is
that,
are
we,
then
the
city
or
on
the
hook
for
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
fund
the
other
component
for
for
planning
and
and
design.
C
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
cash
match.
I
think
it's
can
be.
You
know,
I
think
the
developments
were
used
as
part
of
the
match.
I
don't
know
the
details
of
it,
but
certainly
that's
one
of
the
issues
that
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out,
but
I
think
that
the
development,
the
private
development
that
was
going
on
was
used
as
as
in
the
calculation
of
the
match
for
the
grant
application.
So.
B
Okay,
so
that,
thank
you,
yeah.
C
The
money
first
they've
already
done-
I
mean
you
know,
for
instance,
city,
harbor
and
carpenter
circle,
both
of
which
are
doing
exactly
what
we
wanted
to
do
in
the
grant
are
going
to
design
those
intersections
and
so
that
that's
already
a
match
part
of
the
match
right
there.
But
okay.
B
I
don't
know
exactly
one
of
the
aspects
of
this
that
I'm
very
interested
to
learn
more
about
which
is
you
know
what
exactly
is
going
to
be
the
study
area
when
we
are
looking
at
these
traffic
impacts?
B
I
know
that
there's
been,
as
you
mentioned,
quite
a
bit
of
work
looking
at
fifth
street
day
street
willow
sorry
day,
fifth,
third,
but
when
I
think
about
the
couplet
and
the
impacts
of
the
couplet,
I'm
looking,
you
know
very
distinctively
at
inlet
island,
I'm
looking
very
distinctively
at
that
really
really
narrow
corridor.
B
If
northbound
trucks
coming
up
meadow
want
to
get
over
to
tiganic,
they
don't
want
to
go
around
to
court
and
then
do
an
s
turn
and
then
come
back
they're
going
to
turn
on
state
or
seneca
and
then
end
up
on
that
little
itty
bitty
one
lane
in
each
direction
segment
of
taganak
boulevard.
B
So
you
know
having
a
better
understanding
of
where
the
study
area
is
is
going
to
be,
and
the
scope
of
that,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
important
for
us
to
be
able
to
provide
feedback
and
also
the
community
to
be
able
to
provide
feedback
and
say
I
think
the
impacts
of
this
might
go
in
this
direction,
or
just
this
direction
can
we
make
sure
that
it
is
included
in
any
kind
of
analysis.
That's
being
done.
C
G
That's
okay
because
I
was
just
hemming
and
flying
anyway,
though
the
letter
from
nels
said
that
it's
for
planting
a
design
of
the
corridor
north
of
purity.
But
that's
not
where
the
problem
is.
It's
south
of
purity
right.
C
The
in
the
grant
application
the
the
segment
is
like
a
about
a
mile
long
and
it
goes
from
purity
point
to
fall
creek,
that
is
the
area
for
design
for
the
transformation
of
route
13
into
an
urban
boulevard.
That's
what
the
grant
is
for.
So
one
of
my
one
of
our
questions
would
be.
Can
we
expand
that
scope
right
to
look
at
other
things,
and
how
do
we
write
right?
Would.
J
E
B
So,
when
how
when
will
will
we,
as
a
committee,
be
kept
informed
as
all
of
these
pieces
come
together
in
terms
of
the
scope
in
terms
of
the
funding
in
terms
of
negotiation,
with
dot
and
and
what
is
required?.
C
I
think
first
we
have
to
get
together
with
dot
and
internally
and
figure
out.
You
know
what
we're
doing
and
if
you
know
ask
some
of
the
questions,
look
at
the
and
then
then
we'll.
We
will,
of
course
involve.
J
Council
in
every
way,
yeah,
I
would
imagine
we're
trying
to
set
up
a
meeting
for
next
week
with
d.o.t
and
with
our
you
know,
with
eric
hathaway
and
tim
log,
who
could
be
here
tonight
and
to
just
kind
of
have
this
com.
J
Basically
the
conversation
we're
having
now
with
them,
and
then
we
truly
would
like
to
come
up
with
all
the
tasks
that
are
going
to
be
involved
in
the
timeline
and
since
we
feel
as
though
we
have
so
much
development
right
on
the
cusp
we're
going
to
need
to
move
quickly.
So
I
can
say
that
as
we,
if
any
decisions
are
made,
we
could
certainly
let
council
know,
but
we
will
definitely
have
a
report
at
next
month's
planning
committee
meeting.
J
I
George
hi
thanks
steph.
I
agree
with
lisa's
comment
that
dot
looks
to
move
cars
through
neighborhoods
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
Quasi-Positive
thing
I
can
see
in
it
moving
west
on
court
street
at
the
end
of
the
day
would
be
a
nightmare,
and
when
we're
thinking
about
this,
I
would
just
like
us
to
remember
that
there
are
a
number
of
businesses
that
are
existing
on
these
two
blocks
on
court
street
and
on
buffalo
street.
I
There
are
quite
a
few
houses
on
court
street
still
there's
about
to
be
a
five-story
apartment
building
on
court
street.
I
I
Was
made
fulton
street
unlivable?
There's
no
houses
there
occupied
at
all.
I
don't
think
anymore,
and
there
used
to
be
quite
a
few,
and
the
businesses
along
fulton
street
are
either
gone
or
or
find
fulton
street
very
difficult
to
deal
with,
because
the
traffic
is
moving
so
fast
and
so
congestedly.
I
I
don't
really
understand,
maybe
tim
and
eric
can
help
me
understand
this.
I
don't
don't
understand
how
making
buffalo
street
one
way
improves
the
traffic
flow
in
front
of
a
carpenter
or
that's
a
good.
J
You
did
point
out
a
couple
of
important
things,
and,
and-
and
that
is
that
we
have
a
a
fundamental
difference
in
the
vision
for
route
13
with
the
d.o.t
they
are,
they
want
to
move
cars,
they
want
to
get
them
through
and
that's
the
couplet
is
part
of
that
philosophy,
whereas
we
would
like
to
see
the
waterfront
and
the
neighborhoods
knit
together
and
not
have
route
13,
be
such
a
dividing
line
for
the
you
know
for
the
city,
and
I
agree
with
you
about
fulton
street
businesses
and
residents
yeah.
J
It
proved
to
just
be
not
livable
so,
but
the
d.o.t
does
own
that
they
do
have
jurisdiction
over
it.
So
this
these
are
the
conversations
that
we
find
frustrating
but
that
we
have
to
continue
to
to
have
with
d.o.t.
B
In
addition,
if
there
was
a
comment
that
was
included
in
the
packet
making
some
assumptions
about
the
impact
of
the
rail
line
that
it
is
reduced
now
and
then
we
shouldn't
be
considering
the
impact,
and
maybe
we
can
claim
some
space
from
it,
I
just
want
to
caution
that
in
inadvisable
to
make
any
assumptions
about
the
future
use
of
the
rail
line,
because
it's
something
that
is
entirely
outside
of
city
or
state
control,
and
I
fully
anticipate
the
use
of
that
rail
line
to
increase
despite
activities
going
up
at
millikin
station
or
cargo.
B
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
post
out
there-
and
maybe
this
is
something
because
I
used
to
live
in
a
big
city,
even
though
I
don't
now
is
you
know,
is
there
an
exploration
of,
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
term?
I
know
there's
a
phrase
for
this
like
surge
traffic,
where
maybe
one
lane
would
convert
in
one
way
in
one
direction
during
a
certain
period
of
time
and
then
another
lane
in
the
other
direction
a
certain
period
of
time.
B
That's
something
I
don't
know
if
that's
even
something
we
could
do,
but
if
that
is
something
that
could
be
entertained
and
then.
Lastly,
I
just
want
to
remember
that
part
of
the
both
the
beauty
and
the
curse
of
the
location
of
ithaca
is
that
we
are
the
location
that
you
have
to
come
through
if
you
want
to
go
east
or
west
anywhere
along
the
line
of
kuga
lake.
B
So
there
are
certain
traffic
demands
that
are
part
of
our
control,
but
a
significant
portion
is
not,
and
most
anyone
can
tell
you,
at
least
in
my
experience,
summertime
friday
traffic
through
route
13
is
outrageous,
but
I
think
it
has
mostly
to
do
with
people
coming
through
this
area
trying
to
get
to
properties
along
the
lakes.
So
there's
that
component.
That
is
entirely
outside
of
our
control,
but
as
this
area
it
becomes
more
attractive
for
a
whole
multitude
of
reasons.
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
A
number
of
commenters
encouraged
that
we'd
be
looking
at
multimodal
transportation
concerns
d.o.t,
as
has
been
noted,
is
really
concerned
with
moving
cars,
and
a
number
of
us
in
the
city
are
concerned
with
pedestrians
are
concerned
with
bicyclists
are
concerned,
with
kids
walking
to
school
and
and
their
safety.
One
other
commenter
made
a
statement
about
a
study
indicating
that
the
speed
of
car
traffic
on
one-way
streets
increases
and
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
more
about
that.
H
H
I
think
a
bakery
we've
heard
from
the
veterinarian's
business
on
court
street
and
there
would
be
real
concerns
with
people
accessing
those
businesses,
and
you
know
we
were
having
a
conversation
earlier
about
wanting
to
support
local
businesses
and
so
I'd
hate
to
see
some
unintended
consequence
of
a
move
that
would
disadvantage
local.
E
Businesses
thanks
laura,
and
I
you
know,
I
think,
just
to
kind
of
formalize
a
bit
that
I
don't.
I
I
don't
think
the
couplet
plan
is
is
perfect.
At
any
rate,
you
know,
I
think
I
think
what's
going
on
is
that
you
know
the
the
dot
is
responding
to
the
traffic
and
looking
at
this
from
a
10,
000
foot
kind
of
view,
and
as
joanne
said,
I
mean
they're
trying
to
circulate
cars,
that's
their
primary
focus
and
you
know
we.
We
have
a
different
vision
and
you
know
24
hours
ago.
E
I
think
we
were
really
racking
our
brains.
Thinking
like
how
are
we
going
to
move
this
forward
like?
Where
is
the
money
going
to
come
from
to
do
the
study?
But
the
build
grant
seems
like
it's
been
a
game
changer
and
you.
L
E
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
I
know
that
you
know
it's
been
really
challenging
for
the
city
to
get
these
grants
in
the
past,
and
I
know
we've
put
a
huge
amount
of
work
year
after
year
trying
to
get
these
grants
and
I
really
want
to
just
applaud
all
the
work
that
engineering
has
done
and
planning
and
I
think
it's
exciting.
E
You
know
I
think
we
actually
have
an
opportunity
now
and
it's
it's
nice
to
have
the
money
to
just
to
actually
invest
and
do
some
planning
and
really
try
to
to
get
that
corridor,
to
look
to
look
like
something
that
the
community
can
value.
So
so
thank
you
to
everybody.
That's
that's
put
in
so
much
work
on
that.
E
Any
other
comments
on
this
all
right.
Well,
thanks
for
the
update
lisa
and
it
sounds
like
we'll
get
an
update
next
month
at
pedc.
So
thank
you.
E
I
don't
have
the
agenda
in
front
of
me,
but
is
that
that
I
think
that's
the
end
right?
Is
it?
Do
we
just
have
minutes?
E
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
minutes
motion
with
cynthia
a
second
by
steve,
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes,
and
that
carries
unanimously
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
second
by
cynthia?
Thank
you.
Everyone.