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A
B
B
And
went
from
the
second
award
feeding
Brown
from
the
second
award
Tiffany
Kumar
from
the
fourth
board.
C
Our
fifth
member
is
not
able
to
join
us
tonight,
she's
out
of
town.
That's
simply.
B
A
rock
from
the
First
Ward
and
we
have
fellow
common
council
members
who
are
also
sitting
on
the
working
group
for
the
draft
policy
on
homeless
encampments
that
we
will
discuss
later
as
Jordan
McGonagall,
also
from
first
Lord
and
Jorge
indeed
from
the
court
report.
B
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
people
here
tonight,
so
we're
going
to
jump
into
public
comment.
But
first
let
me
read
this
emergency
evacuation
notice.
In
case
of
an
emergency
evacuation.
We
are
to
take
one
of
two
exits
they're,
either
at
one
end
of
the
room
or
the
other.
B
B
We
want
everyone
to
be
aware
of
their
surroundings
and
offer
help
when
it's
not
to
your
own
detriment,
as
you
are
your
own
best
Advocate.
Thank
you.
Okay.
So,
before
I
jump
into
public
comment,
just
one
other
thing
is
there
anything
that
we
committee
members
would
like
to
see
change
on
the
agenda.
B
We'll
move
on
and
we
will
be
in
the
public
comments
just
as
a
reminder:
I
have
a
pretty
big
stack
of
cards
here.
I
will
start
with
those
in
the
room
and
then
we
will
move
to
those
who
are
joining
us
virtually.
B
As
a
reminder,
you
have
up
to
three
minutes
where
you're
welcome
to
speak
with
three
minutes,
but
if
you
don't
feel
the
need
to
sleep
for
three
minutes
since
there's
many
of
you
you're
welcome
to
keep
it
shorter.
So.
D
I'm
Theresa
Hall
of
206
Eddie,
Street
college
town
with
regard
to
encampments,
I,
think
a
simple
change
to
the
policy.
A
A
A
Is
not
dedicated
to
automobiles
instead
of
equal
I
myself
look
out
across
the
street
on
a
large
lawn.
That
is
a
parking
lot.
Nobody
can.
A
Else
abolished
ctap
that
excuse
that
the
Ida
takes
for
abating
taxes
on
luxury
buildings,
just
to
achieve
density.
D
E
F
Hello,
my
name
is
Alex
I
just
came
here
to
lend
my
voice
and
support
to
saying
don't
just
blanket
criminalize
homelessness
and
support
housing
first
over
just
a
blanket
camping
van-
that's
about
it
for
me,
so
I'm
just
gonna
yield
my
time.
Thank.
B
You
Trevor
cross
is
next.
Trevor
will
be
followed
by
isia.
B
A
short
comment
just
to
discourage
the
camping
van
plans
and
rather
encourage
using
the
time
and
effort
and
resources
actually
acknowledge.
G
People,
it
just
seems
like.
B
E
E
I
I
D
Hello,
I'm
quite
ready.
Everybody.
A
I
often
come
to
the
county
rep.
That
is
not
what
I'm
doing
now,
even
for
myself.
I
broadly
agree
with
the
concerns
that
everyone
has
spoken
so
far
has
brought
up
and
I
think
I'm
sure
others
will
bring
whatever
narrative
but
I
wanted
to
like
highlight
a
few
things.
One
folks
have
asked
if
people.
A
The
policy
and
it's
not
clear
to
me
if
they
have
I
hope
so
or
if
not,
that.
K
L
A
A
I'd
like
to
ask
you
to
just
pay
particular
attention
to
the
document
from
the
community
of
care
leaders
or
sorry
continue
up
there.
Thank
you.
A
Invested
in
caring
for
people
any
direct
and
also
evidence-based
way,
and
because
they
had
some
very
specific
questions
that
I
think
that.
K
A
A
A
A
A
See
that
at
all
in
the
policy
I'd
really
like
to
hear
that
described,
especially
because
I
have
been
told
that
the
red
zone
is
a
culturally
important
area
for
a
lot
of
people
who
live
in
Indian
campus,
including
some
folks
who
were
like
multi-generational
families
that
have
lived
there.
It's
a
place
called
The
Wall.
Is
there
people
go
to
Lake.
I
A
Their
friends
who
have
died,
I,
don't
know
people
are
living
there,
but
it's
I
frankly,
I,
don't
trust
enforcing
to
distinguish
between
living
and
just
being,
and
it's
really
concerning
that,
if
there's
going
to
be
in
Red
Zone
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
that
last
little
thing
as
long
as
you're
on
land
use,
it's
not
an
encampment,
but
can
we
do
something
with
the
vacant
buildings
downtown
that
no
one
is
living
in?
We
have
people
living
outside
and
you
have
inside
without
people.
Let's
look
at
that.
E
A
G
G
H
And
when
I
read
this
policy,
I
was
pretty
disappointed.
I'm,
usually
pretty
proud
of
ithaca's
ability
to
see
its
citizens.
Human.
H
F
G
F
I'm
doing
tonight,
I
find
it
rather
disturbing
than
we've
been
dealing
that
have
been
dealing
with
this
issue
for
probably
close
to
the
better
part
of
60
years.
We're
still
discussing
it
that
that
really
concerns
me,
but
would
also
like
I'm
thankful
for
is,
is
the
work.
That's
been
done
to
try
to
create
some
kind
of
policy
to
have
a
start.
F
It's
not
a
perfect
plan,
but
it's
a
plan
who
here
have
had
their
homes,
burglarized,
family
members,
assaulted,
sexually
assaulted
things
taken
off
their
porch
bikes,
stolen
own,
a
business.
That's
been
ransacked
and
and
had
things
stolen
anybody.
F
I
am
totally
lost.
My
friend
fear
migraine
was
the
work
that
the
tenants
Union
petition,
what
how
in
the
world
is
people
going
out
there
and
telling
their
stories
considered
beer
mongering.
F
F
There's
no
housing
at
this
point,
so
there
needs
to
be
something
done
until
there
is
housing
just
to
let
the
people
out
there
run
around
is
is
not
safe
for
them.
It's
not
safe
for
the
for
the
residents,
and
there
are
members
here
on
this
sign
of
petition.
There
are
people
here
that
probably
wrote
the
petition.
There
are
members
here
on
City
Council,
they
haven't
even
been
in
the
jungle,
haven't
talked
to
anybody
in
the
jungle
and.
I
My
name
is
Tina
Sims
I'm,
a
resident
of
the
city
Ithaca
in
word
two
and
I'm,
a
member
of
the
attendance
Union.
All
of
you
should
have
received
an
email
this
morning
with
a
position
that
includes
549
community
members.
Signatures
that
are
all
of
them
are
opposed
to
the
draft
policy
and
the
unsafe
containments,
as
well
as
promising
dozen
for
those
people.
I.
Have
it
printed
out
here
and
it's
all
painted
around
her
chair.
I
We
stand
firmly
against
any
attempts
to
ban
camping
and
to
use
police
enforcement
or
such
a
fins.
We
believe
in
addressing
homelessness
the
only
effective
way
with
homes.
Otherwise
the
bands
are
just
pushing
people
around
and
punishing
them
for
the
failure
of
our
housing
system
to
provide
homes
for
all
of
us.
I
I
was
going
to
read
the
petition,
but
because
there's
been
a
recent
change
in
the
agenda,
I'm
going
to
divert
a
bit
but
I
do
hope
that
all
of
you
take
the
human
history
petition.
This
I
am,
and
this
predecessors
or
this
item
has
been
moved
to
be
not
a.
I
A
beginning,
and
so
that
I
presume
so
that
there's
more
time
to
review
and
evaluate
it,
this
has
been
happening
with
policies
on
the
same
topic
for
over
a
year
now,
every
couple
of
months,
a
new
idea
is
put
on
the
table
which
includes
a
camping
ban.
It.
I
Van
there
isn't
the
support
to
move
forward,
and
so
it
gets
shuffled
back
to
a
dark
room
and
repackage
it
gets
removed
from
the
agenda
in
hopes
that
it
can
sneak
by
with
careful
language
at
the
next
meeting.
But
there
are
clear
contradictions
between
a
reported
belief
that
we
shouldn't
criminalize
homelessness
and
that
we
should
that
we
should
approach
homelessness
with
respect,
compassion
and
dignity
first
and
then
the
actual
policy
decorated
this
from
that.
I
This
policy
states
on
the
first
page
that
there
won't
be
criminalization
of
homelessness,
but
it
doesn't
say
what
happens
when
the
non-criminal
tickets.
The
court
dates
for
the
non-criminal
tickets
are
missed.
The
standard
procedure
is
the
issuance
for
warrant
of
arrest,
which
is
a
criminal
charge.
It's
involvement
with
criminal
justice
system.
It
prevents
people
from
getting
access
to
emergency
shelter
or
to
affordable.
L
I
The
whole
zone
system
as
another
topic
is
a
mess.
The
red
zone
is
a
camping
van,
which
we
know
is
an
ineffective
response.
The
Amber
zone
is
a
discretionary
wild
west,
where
we
can
assume
that
there
will
be
discriminatory
enforcement.
The
green
zone
is
an
area
that's
prone
to
flooding
and
that
has
DPW
disposal
on
it.
So
please
stop
playing
red
light
green
light.
One
two
three
and
support
ongoing
efforts
for
Rapid,
rehousing,
permanent
Supportive,
Housing,
expanding
shelter,
access
and.
I
I
Inhumane
and
ineffective
strategy-
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
it-
has
the
support
to
pass
so
thank
you
for
the
members
of
the
council
have
been
supporting
housing
first
policies.
There
has
been
a
lot
of
limited
illness
and
I
hope
that
you
direct
records
there.
B
L
H
I'm
here
today
to
talk
about
the
organic
band,
I'm
a
I
definitely
agree
with
what
everyone
else
has
been
saying
so
I'm
going
to
keep
this
short
y'all
have
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
a
camping
ban
or
which
would
criminalize
your
most
vulnerable
homeless
populations.
For
far
too
long,
we
need
y'all
to
stop
trying
to
repackage
a
camping
van
and
start
thinking
about
a
home's
first
solution.
After
all,
the
answer
to
homelessness
is
homes,
don't
take
care.
H
The
proposed
policy
which
reports
people
to
live
in
the
swamp
next
to
a
dump
otherwise
face
harassment
by
the
police
is
extremely
unacceptable
and
inhumane.
The
community
you
serve
doesn't
doesn't
want
this
and
I
urge
you
all
to
stop
considering
camping
ban
and
instead
focus
on
it
on
the
first
solution.
Thank.
C
G
A
2019,
when
I
started,
we
have
housed
over
55
people
from
Main
Campus.
So
when
I
hear
the
narrative
that
nothing
is
being
done,
I
feel
a
direct
disrespect
to
my
work
and
the
work
of
my
colleagues.
We've
been
working
hard
to
ethically
and
equitably
build
relationships
with
folks
and
work
with
them
to
meet
their
goals.
When
they
go
out
and
do
Outreach
we're
not
telling
people
hey
how's
it
going,
you
need
to
move
over
to
the
green
zone.
People
can't
conceptualize
this
because
they're
surviving
there's
no
green
red,
we
go
and
we
meet
people.
A
We
talk
with
them.
We
try
to
understand
where
they're
coming
from
what
they
need
and
we
help
them
get.
Those
needs
met
and
it's
successful.
We've
built
trust.
We've
been
able
to
get
people
into
different
mental
health
programs.
Substance
use
programs.
All
of
that,
but
the
really
important
part
of
what
we
do
and
how
our
services
work
is
that
it's
voluntary
we
go
and
we
offer
what
we
offer
and
people
can
take
it
or
leave
it.
We
don't
force
people
to
do
anything.
A
I've
never
seen
good
results
in
any
kind
of
Social
Work,
where
you're
forcing
somebody
to
do
something.
I'd
like
to
just
mention
that.
A
But
it's
recognized
that
there's
a
lack
of
practical
access
to
the
shelter
and
housing,
but
then
also
part
of
your
chart
is
to
ensure
that
there
is
an
option
for
shelter,
housing
and
relocation.
I
would
love
an
option
to
give
my
folks
that
I
work
with
to
go
have
a
warm
place
to
sleep
at
night.
It's
not
that
simple,
there's
all
sorts
of
barriers
with
BSS,
there's
all
sorts
of
barriers
within
the
one
shelter
that
we
have
for
our
County.
We
need
more
space
for
folks
to
go
so.
A
A
This
is
supposed
to
be
a
land
policy
negotiation,
but
where
is
any
kind
of
plan
to
manage
the
land?
How
can
this
be
a
Land
Management
policy
if
we're
talking
about
managing
people?
A
A
G
Double
two
first
off
like
this
town,
does
like
they
do
brunoise
almost
like
they
there's
a
stigma
on
them
with
this
I,
actually,
a
bunch
of
a
lot
of
things
like
I
used
to
own
houses.
Okay,
like
and
now
I'm
homeless,
I
went
through
a
lot
of
losses
through
my
family,
where
my
parents
died
and
vlogging
cabin.
Where.
G
I
A
I
A
I
A
A
M
A
I
B
A
Almost
24
hours
a
day
whenever
individuals
need
to
come
somewhere
a
lot
I'm.
Also
a
research
I
just
finished
at
two
and
a
half
year.
We
started
the
graphic
research
project
in
Canada
when
I
probably
know
more
about
being
chemicals
Distributing.
Anybody
on
this
kind
of
challenges,
clinical
post
right
here
as
a
human
being
and
all
philosophical
parents,
but
we
start
employing
disciplinary
systems.
A
I
could
imagine
the
scenario
but
within
being
something
in
the
Red
Zone
within
somebody
tweaking
I
mean
we
had
a
twin
shooting,
but
we
didn't
encounter
at
that
sometimes
into
these
citizens
problems.
The
problem
with
these
ideas
is
they're
incremental,
but
they're
expensive,
and
they
happen
to
really
really
fast.
A
A
To
assume
that
the
business
report
is
around
32
page
documents,
users,
these
people-
some
people-
can
be
connected.
You
know
that
level
that
expectation
of
the
assets
that
assume
that
women
wants
to
access
those
services
with
functional
revenue
is
not
happening,
and
also
we
have
so
really
Supportive
Services
with
the.
A
L
A
Middle
class
people
that
are
just
working
in
the
bedroom
system
by
creating
the
right
conditions,
they
would
succeed.
So,
for
example,
if
I
go
to
DSS
tonight,
I
want
housing
they're
going
to
put
me
at
a
hotel
for
120
hours
a
month.
Four
five
months
later,
I
get
a
budget
for
400
trying
to
find
an
apartment
building
in
Mexico,
but
I
got
to
be
downtown,
but
I
mean
it's
called
and
I
gotta
go
to
courts,
and
this
and
the
landlord
use
about
it.
I
come
to
the
strive
in
a
narrative.
A
I
went
to
students
and
that
allows
people
that
called
lawyers
and
marketing
to
create
new
spaces
where
they
explode
these
people,
creating
the
main
conditions
that
we
carry
that
make
it
impossible
for
these
individual
agency.
That's
why
we
happen
to
generation
problems
with
this
so
on,
and
it's
also
at
this
time
it's
Christmas
right
and
the
intersectionality
and
the
individual
there
is
this
trauma
the
way
it
is
approach,
the
sanctions
they
put
on
the
way
they
treat
them
less
than
there's
a
host
of
problems
that
are
attributing
to
this
thing,
but
we
could
sound.
A
Us
in
different
different
places,
these
guys
don't
see
what
we're
doing
down.
O
Other
craft
thing
you're
you
and
only
point
out
that
you
don't
see
us
building
down
there
with
pellets.
A
We're
building
houses
we're
pallets.
These
guys
only
talk
about
the
criminal
things.
I
second,
with
Wendy
says:
I
come
from
Puerto
Rico
I've
been
in
Kentucky,
everybody
gets
robbed,
everybody
gets
stolen
stuff,
it's
not.
A
Stolen
doesn't
mean
it
was
Jungle,
it's
not,
it
could
be,
but
it's
not
always
a
jungle
book.
Those
kind
of
crimes
happen
everywhere,
not
only
in
Ithaca.
H
He
Anita's
here
and
he
was
there,
you
know
and
stuff
trying
to
move
us.
Those.
O
H
O
I'm
not
robbing
I'm,
not
stealing,
all
bikes,
I'm,
not
doing
none
of
that
and
the
people
that
I
live
with
down
there
and
that
help
us
build
and
support
us
we're
not
stealing
none
of
that.
Yes,
we
do.
A
O
Know
it's
changed
a
lot
and
you
guys
have
not
giving
us
a
chance
not
giving.
A
Enough
cornless
drug
addicts
not
seems
good
that
we're
doing
down
there.
A
O
You
don't
you
don't
know
that
because
I
have
never
seen
nobody
down
here.
I've,
never
seen
nobody
down
here.
Let's
hear
this,
but
because.
O
C
A
F
Hello
I'm.
F
A
A
F
A
B
G
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
most
of
the
legislators
at
this
table
tonight
have
not
been
advocating
for
a
candy
man
or
if
you're,
criminalizing
someone's
house.
There
are
many
people
here
who
don't
want
that
approach
and
I'm
deeply
thankful
to
those
of
you
who
are
of
that
position
for
maintaining
it
and
for
advocating
for
it.
G
G
People
from
being
homeless
and
up
to
the
city,
then
it
could
send
back
and
to
get
picked
apart,
but
it
always
comes
back
to
the
same
camping
van
in
it.
It
is
a
cool
and
inhumane
policy
and
I
like
I've,
been
homeless
in
the
city
of
it.
When
I
first
moved
here,
I
was
homeless
and
I
was
not
staying
in
the
jungle.
G
I
was
staying
downtown
because
I
didn't
feel
that
it
was
safe
for
me
to
go
there
and
if
I
had
gotten
like
a
citation
or
something
and
hadn't
shown
up
to
my
court
date,
and
there
was
a
warrant
for
my
arrest
group
just
because
I
was
too
poor
to
have
a
place
to
live
because
I
was
running
away
from
a
bad
situation.
I
don't
know
where
I
would
be
today,
I
don't
know
if
I
would
be
alive
today.
G
A
vote
for
this
policy
you're
about
to
even
continue
considering
this
policy
is
a
vote
for
I
came
to
a
previous
meeting.
I
played
a
clip
of
former
president
Donald
Trump,
advocating
for
literally
this
exact
holiday
able
to
continue.
It
is
a
vote
by
you
as
a
governmental
representative.
In
the
city
of
Ithaca
to
consider
Trump
homelessness
policies
for
our
city,
that's
unacceptable,
I!
Think
a
lot
of
constituents
would
find
it
unacceptable
and.
G
Like
there's
just
something
so
wrong
about
I
think
it's
normal
to
see
people
who
are
struggling
and
to
feel
bad
and
to
want
to
do
something
about
it.
That
is
our
basic
capacity
for
empathy
as
human
beings,
but
to
respond
to
that
by
pointing
at
the
people
who
are
struggling
and
saying
they're,
the
problem
they're
we
need
to
go
after
is
so
wrong.
G
A
L
E
Foreign
first
I
understand
that
there
are
a
lot
of
Outreach
workers
here
who
have
got
a
lot
to
say
and
I
wanted
to
know
that
I
respect
the
work
they
did.
I
was
the
crisis
interventionist
for
family
and
children's
service
for
15
years
and
prior
to
that,
I
ran
housing
in
Steuben
County
and
also
in
this
County
and
I
have
been
homeless
and
I
hope
that
that
satisfies
the
problem
that
people
are
complaining
about.
K
D
A
E
I
E
Them
talking,
we
didn't
talk
when
you
were
talking,
and
that
is
what
I
get
it
is
that
there
is
a
believing
effect
that
it
implies
that
a
violent
agree
with
total
tolerance.
There's
something
wrong
with
me:
I'm
not
being
a
neighbor
with
I,
am
an
elite
housed
person
and
I
fundamentally
object
to
that
point
of
view.
Where
do
you
live?
E
E
Don't
you
move
in
and
help
them
make
something
out
of
pallets
to
live
in
which,
by
the
way,
don't
follow
building
codes
which
are
there
for
a
reason,
I
live
in
Florida,
State
and
I
know
that
there
are
fires
that
are
either
Arsen
or
intentionally
set,
or
they
got
away
from
people
that
require
our
firefighters
to
try
and
get
in
there
into
places
where
there
are
no
water,
hydrants
they're,
risking
their
lives,
they're
risking
the
lives
of
everyone.
That's
in.
A
E
Has
to
be
management,
I,
don't
know
who
you're
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
Kumbaya,
how
wonderful
this
is,
but
the
people
that
we
see
the
people
that
that
I
hear
about
are
not
homeless
people
they're
criminally
behaving
people,
for
whatever
reason
homeless
people
need
a
place
to
live.
Almost
people
are
not
criminals.
I
was
not
a
criminal
when
I
was
homeless.
R
K
E
B
A
Needs
I
feel
it's
time
for
me
to
speak
out.
First
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
am
a
human
service.
Specialist
I
work
in
trauma,
I've
been
in
the
jungle
I've
donated
in
the
jungle,
I've
told
people
actually.
A
D
A
For
the
rest
of
their
life,
I've
been
there
15
years
now
my
parents
20.
okay,
so
the
one
thing
I
think
is
really
super
important.
A
A
A
My
neighborhood
can
lives
in
the
sense
of
persevere,
whether
it's
perceived
fear
or
real
fear.
It's
still
fear
with.
A
I'll
share
mine,
it's
it's
the
felony,
since
the
sex
adult
it's
the
people
on
my
lot.
It's
the
things.
My
cameras
are
picking
up.
That
I,
don't
even
know
is
happening
outside
cost.
D
Me
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
run
my
Camp
system
I.
It's
no
use
for
Wi-Fi,
however,
so
in
reference
to
the
plot,
the
little
piece.
D
A
D
B
E
K
E
G
C
B
F
F
A
O
P
Little
odd
comment:
I
also
think
it's
a
little
gross
to
same
resident
versus
a
house
person.
You
know
like.
B
C
Q
All
right,
I'll
do
my
best
I'll
try
to
speak
loudly.
Q
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
discussing
this
policy
today.
I
know
that
you
have
received
a
lot
of
input
through
the
public
comment
period.
There's
also
been
letters
that
have
been
received
from
the
Continuum
of
Care
very
recently.
That
provides
a
lot
of
interesting
and
valuable
material
to
look
at
I.
Do
think
that
this
policy
needs
to
be
incorporated
as
part
of
a
holistic
approach
to
addressing
homelessness
and
supporting
those
who
are
living
unhoused
in
the
city.
Q
I
am
very
excited
by
the
fact
that
the
county
has
retained
Tammy
Baker
as
a
housing
services
coordinator
on
behalf
of
the
county,
to
work
with
the
city
and
Outreach
workers
and
service
providers
to
create
a
holistic
approach.
I
believe
that
they
have
a
meeting
coming
up
this
Friday
Friday.
To
start
that
conversation
and
having
a
city,
land
use
policy
I
think
is
a
component
of
that
for
the
individuals
who
have
said
we
are
Banning
camping.
The
fact
is,
is
that
camping
is
not
allowed
in
the
city
now.
Q
What
we
are
seeking
to
do
is
create
areas
where
camping
is
allowed
areas
that
can
have
access
to
Emergency
Services
to
other
health
and
human
Safety
Services,
and
to
make
sure
that
there
can
be
appropriate,
wraparound
Services
provided
to
those
who
are
residing
there.
I
think
it
has
always
been
the
plan.
Q
At
least
I
speak
for
George
and
I
that
any
new
approach
would
come
into
a
effect
in
the
spring,
because
we
need
to
recognize
that,
unlike
California
and
other
states
in
the
United
States,
we
do
have
a
winter
code
blue
program,
which
New
York
state
provides
where
people
who
are
living
unsheltered,
get
to
come
into
hotel
rooms
and
other
services
that
they
don't
otherwise
get
access
to
during
the
winter
months.
Q
So
there
is
an
annual
migration
or
or
voluntarily
relocation,
and
when
we
have
code
blue,
come
to
an
end
in
the
spring
to
provide
services
to
assist
people
to
go
to
Safe
spaces
where
they
can
be,
and
they
can
get
the
services
they
need
to
be
sheltered
appropriately,
and
what
this
policy
will
do
is
to
help
to
create
those
spaces
again
incorporating
this,
along
with
the
county
efforts.
I
think
is
essential
to
making
sure
that
all
individuals
are
safe
throughout
this
program.
Q
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
recognize
that,
while
the
vast
majority
of
people
who
are
living
unhoused
are
not
engaging
in
criminal
Acts,
there
are
those
individuals
who
are
engaging
in
those
activities.
They
often
use
unsheltered
spaces
as
a
camouflage
for
their
activities,
whether
or
not
they're,
stealing
materials
or
manufacturing,
or
dealing
drugs
or
other
types
of
activities
that
are
going
on
there.
Q
E
Q
To
address
those
issues
directly,
nates
has
created
and
received
a.
B
B
Next
up
is
David
Tech,
I'm.
S
Please
my
name
is
Dave
bulatek
I'm,
also
a
resident
of
Nate's
floral
Estates.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
I
first
want
to
quickly
respond
to
the
three
requested
feedback
items.
My
one
enforcement
is
the
appropriate
appropriate
English
word
to
the
number
of
protocol.
Steps
does
need
to
be
reduced
and
three
no
Amber
zones,
just
green
zones
and
everything
else
is
red.
Now,
I
understand
that
not
all
homeless
people
are
criminals
and
not
all
criminals
are
homeless.
S
It
is
important
to
differentiate
that,
and
if
you
are
desperate
for
food
and
shelter
and
feel
like
you
have
nothing
to
lose,
you
will
do
things
to
survive.
That's
understandable.
We
definitely
need
to
help
these
people
and
give
them
more
assistance
to
overcome
their
life
struggles.
I
understand
that
this
pilot
is
a
small
step
toward
that
goal.
S
Nate's
floral
Estates,
a
zoned
mobile
home
park
of
more
than
100
senior
citizens
is
sandwiched
between
jingle
jungle,
one
off
of
Cecil,
Malone,
Drive
and
Jungle
2
behind
Lowe's
and
Walmart.
In
both
cases,
these
jungles
are
literally
adjacent
to
mates
as
such,
just
like
Walmart,
Lowe's
and
other
area
businesses.
S
Nates
has
been
a
source
of
easy
picking
over
the
last
many
years
and
increasingly,
over
the
last
five
years,
the
re,
the
residents
of
nates,
have
endured
break-ins
physical
assault
threats,
theft,
vandalism,
broken
fences
right
there
in
the
corner,
behind
Lowe's
on-site,
drug
deals
and
trash,
including
shopping
carts
and
needles.
The
seniors
here
have
enough
struggles
without
this
added
burden
for
the
Safety
and
Security
of
the
residents
of
nates.
S
With
regards
to
your
proposal,
we
implore
you
to
number
one
create
a
buffer
by
designating
city
property
from
the
southwestern
edge
of
nates
to
the
northern
edge
of
the
watering
Zone
as
a
red
zone
possible.
Another
solution
might
be
for
the
city
to
provide
an
impenetrable
fence
number
two
create
a
walking
path
that
would
allow
people
to
travel
in
a
Northerly
Direction,
possibly
to
Cherry
Street,
bypassing
Nate's
property.
We
are
not
a
thoroughware.
We
are
a
private
property.
S
Some
of
the
other
comments
they
have
lack
of
shelter
is
part
of
the
problem,
but
shelter
is
not
the
entire
solution.
Reasons
for
Holiness
is
many
fold.
Example,
art
house
is
sheltered,
many
homeless
people
they
have
been
kicked
out
because
of
their
issues,
but
we
need
to
address
those
issues
now
again
homeless.
People
are
not
not
all
homeless.
People
are
criminals,
not
all
criminals
are
homeless,
but
please
Nate's
needs
your
help.
Now
we
need
some
relief.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
all
that
you
do.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
David
I
understand.
The
next
speaker
was
a
few
for
a
different
topic.
So
apologies
for
that
and
our
final
speaker
will
be
Zach
Wynn
Zach
in
the
win
room,
yeah.
O
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Zach
Nguyen
I'm,
a
resident
of
the
First
Ward
and
I'm
Republican
candidate
for
the
first
war
and
I
would
like
to
speak
to
some
of
the
feedback
on
the
city's
proposed
policy
on
unsanctioned
enchantments.
I
am
glad
the
issue
of
the
appropriate
appropriateness
of
police
involvement
in.
O
Appears
to
be
resolved.
Similarly,
the
issue,
the
issue
of
phrasing
of
enforcement
appears
to
have
to
be
agreeable
to
the
vast
majority
of
respondents.
O
It
should
be
made
clear
by
Council
that
the
police
are
not
the
enemy
and
play
a
crucial
role
in
managing
the
overdoses,
violence
and
crime
in
the
encampments.
I
would
like
to
restate
my
opposition
to
the
proposed
green
zone,
which
I
believe
to
be
a
concentration
camp
for
homeless,
drug
addicted
and
mentally
ill
Mr
sentiment
is
echoed
by
those
living
living
on
house
is
described
in
survey
response
from
a
person
who
works
with
the
untouched.
The
suggestion
for
a
low
barrier,
women's
only
shelter,
is
a
positive
one
and
should
be
implemented
immediately.
O
Locating
the
green
zone
behind
H4
real
estate
is
unacceptable.
That
Community
has
already
suffered
enough
from
their
proximity
to
the
encampments
part
of
Nate's
residence
requests
are
for
a
barrier
between
the
park
and
the
Planned
green
zone
in
the
installation
of
security
cameras
to
surveil
the
area.
This
should
be.
K
O
Immediate
priority
for
the
Council
on
the
plan
to
address
the
encampments
funding
should
be
set
aside
from
the
100
000
already
intended
for
this
plan
and
a
contractor
found
to
install
a
fence
before
the
end
of
the
month.
Immediate
decisive
action
is
called
for
to
address
this
crisis.
A
recent
search
for
a
man
armed
with
machetes
at
Walmart
and
fled
into
the
jungle
is
an
example
of
the
daily
crises
that
are
playing
out.
It
should
be
acknowledged
that
for
many
living,
this
way
is
a
lifestyle
may
do
not
want
help.
O
O
After
those
unsheltered
infant
crisis
are
given
Aid,
there
are
other
places
to
play
to
Sport
and
will
be
a
small
price
to
pay
to
allow
for
truly
temporary
green
zone.
If
the
green
zone
is
allowed
behind,
Walmart
is
planned.
They
perceive
the
situation
rapidly
growing
beyond
the
city's
ability
to
control
it.
A
worse
outcome
would
see
the
green
zone
still
in
existence.
Several
years
from
now,
the
root
issue
of
drug
addiction
must
be
addressed
before
these
encampments
can
be
eliminated.
There
will
certainly
be
complex
arson,
fires,
overdoses
and
deaths.
O
B
Zach
that
ends
our
public
comment
for
this
evening.
A
J
We
have
a
responsibility
to
at
least
listen
to
and
legitimize
their
concerns.
However,
I
do
agree
that
the
policy
as
it
stands
May
escalate
the
issues
faced
by
our
own
Health
Community,
without
even
effectively
addressing
the
issues
of
Public
Safety
at
hand
here
at
best,
it
feels
to
me
kind
of
incomplete
if
we
even
did
pass
it
right
now.
How
could
we
possibly
implement
the
system
that
we
have
Outreach
workers
and
police
officers
reaching
out
to.
A
J
A
A
A
I
J
C
Just
say
that
thank
you
for
everyone
who
came
out
to
speak.
We
do
have
what
we
expect
to
be
a
robust
discussion
later
in
the
agenda
and
we'll
have
a
few
other
things
to
get
to
first.
So
but
I.
E
E
Who
came
out
the
individuals
from
Nate's
floral
estate
and
also.
A
The
workers
who
work
in
the
general
or
I
forgot
the
other
name
that
was
used,
but
the
amazing
thing
for
me
tonight
was
that
why
these
two
groups
are
a
part
of
making
the
decisions
of
what
happens
over
there.
E
D
E
To
for
one
I
want
to
say,
I
have
been
in
the
jungle,
I
have
been
homeless.
I
have
also
spoke
to
people
in
the
jungle
who
have
been
really
gave
me
some
really
clear,
Insight
right
and
yes,
everybody
is
fearful
us
living
in
normal,
not
moving,
and
even.
E
E
E
All
these
situations
we're
talking
mental
health
people
who
are
addicted
all
these
different
things.
There
are
issues
and
layers
and
that
we
have
not
even
touched
on,
and
it
sometimes
seemed
like
a
diversion
to
me
right.
If
we
keep
talking
about
all
the
things
that
that
you
know,
should
we
be
in
the
jungle
or
you
know
all
these
different
things,
we're
not
talking
about
the
root
issues
of
why
we
have
homelessness.
E
E
E
I
really
do
I
want
to
see
something
happen
for
everybody
to
feel
better
and
safer
and
housed
and
being
a
drug
addiction
coming
from
a
family
of
people
with
the
history
of
mental
health
or
committed
suicide
is
the
one
who
was
homeless
and
all
these
different
things
I
know
I
want
to
see
a
solution.
However,
I
know
if
we
Band-Aid
it
once
again,
we'll
have
the
same
solution
and
we'll
be
sitting
here
about
this
and
what
we've
done.
K
E
About
mates,
jungle,
housing
first
and
this
encampment
thing
come
together
some
kind
of
way
and
create
a
solution.
That's
just
not
a
Band-Aid
effect.
I,
don't
know.
Once
again,
you
know
somebody
told
me
long
ago
that
I
see
the
world
from
Rose
tinted
glasses,
and
maybe
that's
what's
happening
for
me
tonight
too.
D
E
Really
attacked
sometimes
they've
been
here
right.
You
know,
I
I
I
need
to
say
this
and
say
this
out
loud
I
I'm,
not
biased,
against
police
I'm,
not
biasing
against
anybody.
That's
doing
the
right
thing
for
the
right
reason,
but
I
don't
like
people
that
hurt
other
people,
and
that
can
happen
in
any
case.
So
you
know
this
is
yeah.
E
L
C
You
anyone
else
or
can
we
move
on.
N
Oh
I'll
be
brief
because
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
later,
but
it's
disheartening.
N
After
all,
the
work
we
put
into
this
to
be
accused
of
dehumanizing
people
and
criminalizing
people,
that's
not
what
we're
doing
we're
trying
to
make
things
better
for
the
homeless
population
and
the
residents
of
the
West
End,
particularly
the
residents
of
based
on
the
states,
and
we
have
out.
We
have
reached
out
to
the
Outreach
workers
they
have
been
involved
in
these
discussions.
N
I
was
in
Jungle
last
night
talking
to
people
who
are
frankly
excited
about
the
idea
that
there
will
be
hot,
running
water
showers
and
toilets
in
this
proposed
Cruise
Zone
behind
Walmart,
and
they
talk
to
their
fears
the
fact
that
they
can't
lock
their
doors.
N
It
was
raining
yesterday
and
the
shelter
they
had
was
and
statically
bad
they're
and
they're
good
people
they're
smart
people
and
and
they
need
help
and
they
need
a
better
life
and
part
of
what
we're
doing
here
is
to
try
to
make
that
happen.
We're
not
with
County.
We
don't
have
social
services,
we
don't
provide
housing,
that's
not
what
the
city
does.
N
The
petition
that
in
the
contenants
union
wrote
the
written
statement
before
the
petition
is
full
of
inaccurate
statements
and
just
nasty
language,
and
it's
not
true
and
in
particular
I,
would
say
to
pick
out
one
member
of
the
task
force,
Cynthia
Brock
and
mentioned
her
by
name
without
mentioning
me
or
Jorge,
or
any
of
the
other
people
on
the
task
force
was
a
calculated
act
and
it
was
a
cowardly
act.
A
E
B
C
A
And
so
I
am
I
helped
with
drafting
this
policy.
A
As
a
result,
I
do
feel
partially
responsible
for
it
and
just
because
of
that
responsibility
then
saying
that
we
should
take
the
box
and
that
we
should
hear
about
these
issues
that
are
that
have
Arisen,
because
we
didn't
drive
before
the
nursing
people
within
the
local
housing
actually
I've
seen
here
within
within
this
week,
and
we
go
to
the
federal
government
that
this
course
of
production
we've
got
the
best
route
and
then
the
folks
were
in
the
John
came
to
public
comment.
A
I
appreciate
you
coming
here
and
I
appreciate
DNS,
another
bravery
that
it
took
and
I
will
leave
an
apology,
an
apology
as
a
member
of
his
working
group,
that
I
should
have
been
more
proactive
than
seeking
out
your
thoughts
and
your
feedback
on
this
policy
and
I
spoken
to
many
Outreach
workers.
Since
being
on
the
point
where
we
talked
about
this
policy
and
I
heard
a
number
of
folks
who
are
supportive
indifference
against
the
policy
and
there's
no
consensus,
it
seems
like.
A
But
there
is
consensus
on
it.
Is
that
how
we
should
approach?
This
should
be
different,
as
we
are
right
now.
A
George
is
right,
we're
not
accounting,
we
don't
have
access
to
these
services
and
right
and
I
think
it's
good,
but
like
and
I
think
so,
when
we're
talking
about
putting
this
one
algorithm
in
the
housing
first
solution
always
being
brought
up
so
much
we're
talking
about
affordable
housing
that
has
Associated
services
with
them,
and
that's
a
cute,
long
game
that
we're
having
to
do
here,
and
we
don't
have
all
the
resources
and
abilities
to
solve
that,
and
so
something
that
we
should
really
consider
doing
and
moving
forward
and
I'm.
A
A
Amount
is
a
joint
aspects
between
the
town
between
the
city
and
the
three
members
of
the
consumer
care
between
Outreach
workers,
and
we
should
consult
people
who
are
on
the
house
that
will
move
forward
on
policy
like
this
and
it's
absolutely
everyone
who's
inactive,
because
I
particularly
agree
that
folks
were
here,
I,
don't
you
know,
I
had
I
had
my
bike
stolen
recently,
you
know
last
year
and
I
know
that
having
everything
stolen
having
their
properties
broken
into
vandalize,
some
different
things
is
not
good.
It's
bad
and
I.
A
Don't
want
you
to
experience
that,
and
so
we
have
to
take
a
proactive
approach,
I
think
to
making
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen
and
I,
don't
think.
As
the
student
mentioned
that
we
should
be
hitting,
you
know,
one
group
against
the
other,
not
at
all,
and
so
they
should
be
upon
that
conversation
in
terms
of
having
them
involve
and
I.
Think
we
should
do
that,
and
I
am
worried
about
putting
the
car
before
the
horse.
With
this
policy,
we
should
flush
out
these
facilities.
This
voluntary-
you
know
you
know
voluntary.
A
You
know
compliances.
This
is
an
extension
canvas
site.
It
should
have
this
facilities
that
should
be
desirable.
We
should
try
to
encourage
people
to
go
there
because
I
agree.
There
are
places
that
we
people
shouldn't
have
to
because
they're
dangerous,
and
so
we
should
really
put
our
heads
together
collectively,
because
none
of
us
got
the
city,
not
the
county,
not
COC.
None
of
us
have
the
ability
to
solve,
but
it's
not
only
going
to
get
through
it
together
by
trusting
in
our
fellow
humans
and
neighbors.
B
You
Maureen
so
I'm
going
to
move
this
along
on.
C
The
agenda,
just
as
a
note
to
those
in
the
room
or
listening,
we
do
have
three
other
items.
C
So
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
the
agenda
item
regarding
the
Ithaca,
Gun,
Smoke,
Stack
and-
and
you
know
we've
had
this
conversation
has
come
to
us
in
the
past.
There's
a
memo.
C
P
C
And
we
have
a
second
10
50
seconds.
Thank
you
so
Brian
is
here
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
him,
let
me
invite
him
up
to
chat.
B
G
A
P
P
In
my
conversations
with
the
developer,
the
remediation
on
the
I
believe
it's,
the
Eastern
parcel
is
already
complete
and
they've
started
the
workplace.
Solutions
I'll
work
to
assess
the
condition
of
this
back.
You
cannot
start
I
guess
without
remediation.
C
B
What
would
be
half
of
the
cost
of
this?
Because
the
other
half
is
being
covered
by
the
developer.
L
A
K
C
Okay,
so
next
is
the
city
of
Indica.
C
A
In
May,
2022
and
local
power,
LLC
is
submitted.
The
city
of
the
human
energy
resource
by
having
their
insurance
aggregation
is
required
in
the
contract,
with
Department
of
Public
Service.
With
these
new
guidelines
and
Community
Insurance
aggregation
brands
that
require
Lincoln
municipalities,
all
voluntary
investment
programs
associated
with
set
programs,
whereas
a
distributed
energy
resource
plan
is
essentially
reduced.
3.5
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
14
or
more
and
reduce
the
financial
costs
associated
with
electricity
per
karat,
whereas
the
robust
distributed
energy
resource
program
will
increase
the
reliability
and
resiliency
and
prices.
C
In
a
second
Tiffany
seconds,
thank
you.
So
there's
a
lot
of
information
here
and
Rebecca's
here
to
answer
any
questions.
There
may
be
many
so
if.
C
And
so
I
understand
that
you
do
you,
you
were
willing
to
do
that
presentation
with
the
slides
that
you
included
here.
So
if
that
would
be
helpful
to
the
committee
I'd
recommend
we
sit
through.
K
A
So,
thank
you.
A
M
It
afterwards
I
gave
a
similar
presentation
identical
to
what
you
have
in
the
packet
to
the
sustainability
climate,
Justice
Commission
on.
A
Monday
night
and
they
have
some
good
feedback,
so
this
version
integrated
that
feedback
that
was
activation
that
had
already
gone
out.
So
we're
talking
about
CCA
yeah
seems
like
we
kind
of
always
are
these
days,
but
just
as
a
reminder,
what
is
CPA,
it's
basically
a
program
that
empowers
municipalities
to
purchase
energy.
On
behalf.
M
Of
residents
and
businesses
very,
very
simply
so
you
can
see
that.
A
Little
diagram
there-
and
this
is
very
true
for
our
case-
we
are
going
for
100
renewable
electricity,
so
we're
going
to
be
producing
cleaning
energy.
M
I
have
done
a
lot
of
adapting
since
then,
given
the
changes
from
the
Department
of
Public
Service
and
the
Public
Service
Commission.
M
Master
plan
that
actually
belongs
to
the
administrator
that
we
will
select
and
that
will
come
to
Council
on
future
date
and
then
we'll
actually
go
to
RFP
to
select
an
energy
service
provider.
And
then
we
can
begin
Outreach
this
90-day
process
and
then
we
can
actually
start
the
process
of
enrolling
people,
so
we're
getting
closer.
But
we
still
have
quite
a
bit
of
work
ahead
of
us.
A
M
M
M
It'll
provide
athletes
to
the
development
of
microgrids
and
I'll
go
into
what
that
means
in
a
little
bit
too,
it
will
completely
eliminate
our
scope
to
emissions,
which
are
so
the
way
that
we
account
for
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
There
are
three
Scopes
scope,
two
just
means
electricity,
and
that
is
right:
around
50
000
metric
tons
of
co2e,
which
is
a
good
chunk
of
our
emissions,
as
you
can
see,
and
it
also
provide
a
level
of
transparency
that
we
don't
already
have
through.
M
J
M
Then,
just
to
clarify
what
it
will
not
do
is
not
going
to
replace
transmission
or
distribution
repeater
going
to
replace
and
I
said
we
are
not
becoming
a
utility
and
it
will
not
avoid
or
eliminate
the
delivery
rate
increases
that
are
part
of
the
NYSEG
rate
case
right
now.
Those
are
associated
with
transmission
and
delivery.
M
M
So
I
mentioned
eliminating
emissions,
so
this
is
a
very
confusing
graphic,
but
what
it's?
What
it's
telling
you
is
that
the
amount
of
electricity
that
you
are
using
say
when
you
plug
your
phone
into
an
outlet,
it's
taking
two-thirds
that
amount
of
energy
to
actually
get
to
you.
So
when
you
produce
energy
on
the
left
end
of
this
graph
here,
no
matter
what
the
source
is:
you're
losing
63
percent
of
that
energy
through
conversion.
M
So
that
just
means
taking
you
know:
combusting
gas
and
turning
it
into
electricity,
you're
losing
63
percent
of
that
energy
and
then
all
the
way
down
the
line
until
you're
continuing
to
lose
energy
and
efficiency
throughout
that
entire
process,
including
actually
running
the
plants
and
then
transmission
distribution.
For
the
most
part,
this
has
lost
via
heat,
much
like.
If
you
know
incandescent
light
bulbs,
they
get
very,
very
hot.
That's
the
reason
that
they're
not
efficient
is
because
a
lot
of
the
energy
that
they're
producing
is
actually
wasted,
heat
and
not
lit.
M
A
M
M
Collectively
or
individually,
invest
in
distributed
energy
resources
and
for
the
purposes
of
this
conversation,
I'm
just
going
to
call
them
renewable
energy
projects
because
I
think
that's
the
easiest
thing
to
understand,
and
we
do
that
through
pre-approving
lenders
that
are
approved
by
a
CCA
administrator
and
by
collectively
investing
in
those
projects.
L
M
At
scale
so
I
think
about
it
as
the
bulk
purchasing
of
solar
arrays.
Essentially,
so,
on
the
left
hand,
side
is
sort
of
the
steps
that
we
would
go
through
to
or
that
a
customer
would
go
through
to
actually
invest
into
one
of
these
projects.
So
the
administrator,
the
CCA
administrator,
who
we
are
have
yet
to
hire,
will
engage
with
a
financial
institute
or
lenders
to
provide
loans
to
customers,
so
they
can
pay
back
the
cost
of
the
project
over
time.
M
Those
systems
are
ultimately
designed
based
on
the
priorities
of
a
customer
or
the
customer
Cooperative.
So
if
you
know
you
have
a
limited
amount
of
space
to
install.
M
Just
making
up
a
scenario,
the
individual
projects
will
be
designed
with
those
priorities
in
mind.
M
Iffy
and
when
I
say
iffy
I
just
mean
it
can
make
people
a
little
bit
nervous,
I
think
that's!
Okay.
We
will
be
drafting
legal
agreements
between
investors,
site
owners
and
users
as
they
come
up,
and
that
is
very
intentional.
We
do
not
want
to
lay
out
a
prescriptive
path
for
customers
without.
M
M
M
A
S
M
Left
hand
side:
this
is
basic
CCA
service,
so
if
we
were
not
going
to
include
the
ger
plan,
this
is
why
it
looked.
A
M
M
Little
bit
more
confusing,
but
still
still
very
doable,
so
we're
just
adding
sort
of
another
arm
we're
adding
in
a
collective
of
customers
at
the
bottom
there.
So
it's
not
necessarily
just
one
individual
household
or
one
individual
unit.
Now
customers
can
invest
collectively
they
receive
a
loan
from
a
financial
institution.
K
A
J
M
M
We
have
an
opportunity
here,
as
we
start
to
talk
about
the
social
justice
arm
of
the
renewed
deal
to
decide.
How
are
we.
A
Actually
going
to
deploy
these
projects,
are
we
going
to
prioritize
some
communities
to
build
in
over
others.
M
That's
a
conversation
for
another
day,
but
it's
a
it's
a
conversation.
So,
yes,
it
was
intentionally
built
in
a
way
that
that
would
credit
scores
and.
M
Because
that
was
a
lot,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
why
do
we
care
ultimately
we're
getting
net
greenhouse
gas
emissions
reductions
across
the
board,
so
roughly
50
000
metric
tons
of
CO2
we're
also
seeing
Financial
savings
both
from
the
users
and
from
owners
we
get
on-site
Renewables,
we
get
resiliency
in
the
event,
a
little
blackout
and
I'll
go
into
what
that
looks
like
in
just
a
second.
We
also
get
economic
opportunities
through
the
actual
building
of
these
projects,
so
building
those
solar,
arrays
installation
of
efficiency
measures.
M
What
have
you
and
we
also
have
new
opportunities
for
active
participation,
so,
for
example,
so,
right
now,
somebody
that
rents
is
not
really
able
to
participate
in
the
renewable
energy
economy
because
they
don't
have
anywhere
to
install
the
big
phone.
This
bypass
of
that
issue,
because
now
you
can
collectively
invest
with
your
neighbors.
M
K
M
But
still
things
that
are
actually
connected
to
a
microgrid
or
that
have
their
own
microgrid
can
island
off,
which
just
means
that
if
the
power
switches
off
you
can
switch
on
your
essentially
backup
power
and
still
receive
electricity,
heating
cooling,
you
can
still
cook
you
can
do
all
the
things
that
you
would
normally
do,
even
though
your
neighbors
don't
have
power
and
a
lot
of
micrograms.
Are
this
basic
we're
going
to
get
a
little
bit
more
complicated
than
that?
And
you
know
anything
about
the
radio
deal
missions
right.
M
So,
like
I
said
this
allows
the
building
to
temporarily
power
itself.
You
can
also
have
a
microgrid
within
a
larger
grid,
and
this
is
what
we're
hoping
to
do-
we're
hoping
to
deploy
lots
and
lots
of
these.
So
you
have
multiple
buildings
that
are
connected
to
the
same
micro
grid,
but
are
also
still
connected.
M
One
of
the
benefits
of
the
my
program
is
that
can
also
balance
out
fluctuations
and
voltage
and
frequency.
So
basically,
if
you
think
about
being
like.
M
Line
that
goes
over
your
house
or
over
the
street
think
about
it
as
a
one-way
street.
That
is
how
it
was
built
so
that
electricity
can
go
from
a
power
plant
to
your
house
when
we
start
producing
electricity
like
solar.
Now
we
have
electricity
going
both
ways
down
a
one-way
Street
which
can
cause
a
lot
of
congestion,
as
you
can
imagine
just
like
on
a
stream,
but
if
we
start
to
bring
in
microgrids
that
actually
helps
us
balance
those
fluctuations
so
that
we
don't
get
all
of
that
congestion.
M
Finally,
just
a
reminder:
I
did
send
out
an
email
to
Olive
Council
for
an
info
session
that
will
allow
you
to
ask
any
possible
questions
that
you
can
think
of
on
August,
23rd
I
know
it's
right
before
CA,
so
I
apologize
for
that
it'll
just
be
council
members,
potentially
some
staff
and
the
town
board
and
some
of
their
staff
and
the
reason
that
we're
doing
this
is
so
that
we
can
get
sort
of
the
we
can
all
get
on
the
same
page
and
have.
A
M
Before
we
actually
have
to
make
a
very
real
decision
about
this
plan,
so
just
a
little
plug
that
that
is
happening.
Grandpa.
G
E
B
A
M
Here
on
the
call
who
is
our
consultant
for
ntca,
so
I
invite
Paul
and
if
you're
still
here
do
you
want
to
turn
off
your
camera
and
say
hi.
C
C
M
So
the
Department
of
Public
Service
has
a
a
prescriptive
pathway
for
the
approval
of
new
CCA
programs
and
there
are
a
number
of
timelines
that
are
required.
So,
for
example,
we
have
to.
M
We
can
release
an
rnp
just
to
actually
select
an
energy
Supply
Company.
Coincidentally,
the
city's
own
utility
agreements
will
expire,
I
believe
in
June
2024,
which
is
when
we
are
expecting
to
launch
this
program.
So
that's
the
reason
that
we're
trying
to
move
this
relatively
quickly
is
just
because
you
know
there
are.
There
are
timelines
that
are
outside
of
article.
M
M
Then
it
will
go
to
council,
probably
in
September
school
council,
and
we
still
need
to
select
a
cc
administrator
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
essentially,
when
you
select
an
administrator,
you
select
them
based
on
the
implementation
plan
that
was
submitted
by
them
to
the
Department
of
Public.
Service
I
basically
said
this
is
how
I
expect
to
run
a
CTA
program,
and
we
want
to
select
somebody
that
matches
our
needs
with
this
plan
and
once
we
have
selected
a
CPA
administrator.
That's
when
that
90-day
clock
service.
B
Okay,
I
see
a
question
from
Donna
which
I'll
be
the
entertain,
help
with
other
questions
and
then
dancing
I.
D
And
so
back
on
the
picture
with
the
bubbles
about
the
the
CCA
administrator
and
then
the
customer,
where
does
NYSEG
fit
on
that
bubble
picture?
So
that's
one
question.
My
second
question
is:
are
there
any
incentives
for
people
to
Simply
reduce
energy
consumption
because
even
renewable
energy
has
an
environmental
cost
and
there
should
be
more
incentives
just
to
Simply
use
less
of
it?
D
M
You
is
this:
the
bubble
picture
that
you
mentioned
the
bubble
picture
the
whole
picture.
D
M
Had
the
oh,
this
one,
yes
thank
you
and
you
say
weird:
is
nice
egg
fit
where's?
The
nice
signal
in
that
picture?
Nyseg
maintains
the
transmission
and
distribution
lines
which
move
the
electricity
from
wherever
to
your
house,
so
it
is
unlikely
that
we
are
going
to
deploy
our
own
renewable,
renewable
energy
to
a
point
that
it
can
meet
100
of
our
needs
as
a
city
Collective,
City
residents
included,
so
we
will
still
need
to
purchase
from
the
grid.
M
You
could
think
about
it.
You
could
think
about
it
that
way.
Yeah
I
think
that's
fair,
so
they
just
maintain
the
infrastructure,
the
physical
infrastructure,
the
distribution
infrastructure,
correct,
got
it
okay
and
then
the
you
had
two
other
questions
and.
D
M
Are
we
sharing
this
program
right,
so
the
efficiency
incentives
are
are
going
to
be
lower
costs
because
you're
not
you're,
not
using
as
much
energy.
The
city
does
not
provide
incentives
to
do
that
and
CCA
would
not
provide
incentives
to
do
that.
We
do
have
a
number
of
Community
Partners,
and
certainly
the
state
provides
a
number
of
incentives
to
do
that,
but
the
city
does
not
directly
provide
that
and
neither
will
CCA,
and
this
is
a
joint
program
of
the
city
in
the
town.
M
Right
now
we
are
hoping
to
expect
expand
that
partnership
to
other
municipalities.
There
are
other
municipalities
in
Tompkins
that
have
been
keeping
an
eye
on
this
and
want
to
be
updated
periodically
to
see
sort
of
where
progress
is
so
I
would
suspect
that
other
municipalities
join
as
well,
though
I
couldn't
speak
as
to
who
or
how
many.
At
this
point.
L
Sorry
I
might
be
a
little
dance,
but
can
you
help
me
better
understand
the
material
interaction
with
like
with
the
city
or
the
CC
administrator
that
a
resident
might
have?
Will
they
be
approached
for
with
investment
opportunities
or
actually
and
I'd
like
to
understand
more
what
the
CC
administrator
does
too?
For
that
matter?
Will
they
be?
They
have
there's
a
list
of
responsibilities.
M
Think
and
Paul
feel
free
to
jump
in
here
as
well.
I
I
think
it
could
go
either
way
if
there
are
people
that
say
that
they
want
to
collectively
invest,
but
you
know
maybe
their
neighbors
aren't
game
or
whatever
it
is,
then.
Yes,
it
could
be
sort
of
a
matchmaking
service,
but
I
also
suspect
that
there
will
be
collectives
that
are
already
formed.
That
say
Hey,
you
know
me
in
a
block
of
neighbors
are
interested
in
deploying
solar
in
this
one.
M
Guy's
backyard
I
think
that's
also
a
scenario
as
far
as
what
the
CCA
administrator
is
responsible
for
they're
responsible
for
overseeing
this
entire
program
and
for
facilitating
if
we
want
the
city's
own
deployment
of
Renewables
I
mean
City
Big
C
city
government.
So,
as
far
as
you
know,
what
is
the
sort
of
customer
Journey
here?
The
city
is
pretty
behind
the
curtain.
We
have
oversight
to
the
program.
M
I
suspect
that
sustainability
staff
would
have
a
very
good
relationship
with
the
CCA
administrator,
and
there
are
a
number
of
items
that,
within
our
der
planner,
required
to
be
floated
by
City
staff
before
they
actually
are
are
public.
But
as
far
as
you
know,
troubleshooting
billing
problems
paying
your
actual
bill.
Why
isn't
my
power
working
whatever
the
question
is
likely?
Cca
administrator
will
be
the
first
person
or
NYSEG
if
someone
doesn't
know
where
else
to
go,
but
it's
not
we're
not
going
to
have
a
customer
call
center
or
anything
like
that.
L
No,
that
makes
sense.
So,
do
you
expect
projects
to
be
kind
of
spontaneous
or
would
there
be
I,
don't
know
some
kind
of
encouragement
or
something?
You
know
like
the
scenario
with
the
neighbors
afraid
who
I
was
talking
to,
but
we
actually
talked
about
having
like.
L
Shared
what
we're
talking
about?
Oh.
L
What,
if
we
share
the
system,
I
guess,
will
the
CC
administrator
or
the
city
have
a
role
in
publicizing
that
resources
are
available,
because
it
seems
like
a
very
technical
thing
that
is
difficult
to
launch.
C
M
M
So
that's
90-day
period
that
I
mentioned,
that
is
the
required
potential
customer
Outreach
and
we've
developed
a
pretty
robust
plan
as
far
as
how
we're
going
to
reach
people
and
through
what
channels,
although
I
do
think
I
mean
there's
always
opportunity
to
do
better
and
to
reach
more
people,
and
our
hope
is
that,
through
that
Outreach
and
engagement
plan,
we
can
let
people
know
that
this
is
an
opportunity.
That's
coming
with.
That
said
the
schedule
that
we're
working
with
right
now
we
anticipate
launching
CCA
Basics,
so
just
the
energy
procurement
in
June
2024.
M
M
The
city
of
Ithaca,
so
what
will
happen
is
Department
of
Public.
Service
has
a
pretty
it's
strict,
might
not
be
the
right
word,
but
I'm
going
to
use
it
anyway,
sort
of
menu
of
what
the
sort
of
criteria
that
a
CCA
administrator
has
to
fulfill.
So
it's
really
dictated
by
the
state,
how
they
how
they
function.
So
we
have
what
is
essentially
a
menu
of
CCA
administrators
that
we
can
select
from
and
all
of
their
implementation
plans
are
public.
M
So
what
will
what
we've
talked
about
happening,
and
certainly
this
is
I-
think
a
conversation
to
have
as
well
is
you
know,
staff
would
select
administrators
that
we
think
are
really
good,
fits
and
then
bring
those
top
selections
to
council
to
ultimately
vote
on,
or
maybe
we
just
bring
one
depending
on.
You
know
what
the
appetite
is
from
from
Council
I
think,
but
it
is
the
city.
That's
flexum,.
T
E
Okay,
who
will
be
paying
their
for
CCA
for.
M
Is
it's
a
fraction
of
a
cent
of
per
kilowatt,
so
it's
built
into
the
program.
M
Correct
and
as
far
as
the
Der
portion,
they
take
a
percentage
based
on
each
individual
project,
so
the
city
is
not
responsible
for
any
sort
of
payment
to
the
administrator.
Aside
from
our
own
utility
use,.
C
So
a
question
about
that
choice
of
the
CCA
administrator
so.
R
C
R
K
M
Schedule
we're
already
a
little
bit
off
here,
administrator
selection.
We
were
hoping
to
do
by
September,
but
I
already
know
that
that
is
probably
unlikely
to
happen.
There
are
a
number
of
Master
implementation
plans
that
are
waiting
on
state
approval.
M
R
T
C
C
Yes,
that's
a
good
point
yeah,
so
anything
else.
C
So
are
we
ready
to
vote
on
this?
Okay,
all
right
so
I'm
gonna,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
this
resolution.
C
You
just
let
us
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
yeah,
I
mean
if
that's
fine,
so
that
looks
like
it.
It
passes.
C
Okay,
so
our
next
item
is
not
a
voting
item,
but
we
do
have
Megan
here
to
maybe
present
to
us
the
her.
R
Memo,
well,
she
wrote
a
memo,
so
we
we
read
through
that
hopefully
and
supporting
documentation.
C
I
think
there's
a
zoning,
a
permit
examples.
So
Megan
do
you
want
to
just
maybe
walk
us
through
what
you're
asking
for
and
then
we'll
provide
you
with
that
feedback.
J
Sure,
thank
you.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
find
a
way
to
streamline
some
approvals
of
smaller
projects
that
typically
come
before
the
bza
and
by
smaller
projects.
I'm
referring
to
generally
existing
structures,
particularly
homes
in
our
residential
neighborhoods,
that
many
of
them
don't
meet
our
current
zoning
requirements.
So
they
might
not
meet
a
yard
setback.
They
might
cover
a
larger
proportion
of
the
lot
with
a
building
than
what's
allowed.
J
So
when
a
homeowner
will
come
in
to
want
to
make
a
repair
or
an
expansion
in
some
way,
so,
for
example,
in
large,
a
rear
deck
or
need
to
replace
the
front
steps
with
a
code,
compliant
width
tread
what
that
does.
Is
it.
It
triggers
the
need
for
them
to
get
an
area
variance
from
the
bza
there.
These
types
of
variances
are
I,
can't
think
of
one
that
has
not
been
granted,
but
it
does
add
time
and
additional
an
additional
approval
process
for
the
property
owner.
J
So
someone
might
come
in,
for
you
know
a
building
permit
in
the
morning
to
hopefully
have
a
contractor,
replace
some
steps
in
the
rear
of
their
home.
They
find
out.
They
need
an
area
variance
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
a
minimum
of
six
weeks
before
they
could
potentially
get
their
building
permit
issue
to
make
the
repair.
J
So
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
find
a
way
to
streamline
some
of
these,
so
that
the
property
owners
can
make
the
needed
repairs
that
they
would
like
make
safety
improvements
meet
code
without
potentially
going
through
a
six
weeks
process
through
the
bza.
Now
the
staff
cannot
approve
a
variance
under
New
York
state
law.
Only
a
board
of
zoning
appeals
if
the
municipality
has
one
can
do
that,
but
we
can
change
what
would
require
a
variance.
J
We
have
a
limited
site
plan,
review
process
or
a
staff
level
historic
preservation
approval,
so
this
would
be
in
many
ways
an
equivalent
to
those
that
exist
with
our
other
boards
that
we
have
so
we've
talked
at
the
bza
several
times
about
things
that
come
up
often
and
are
ones
that
they
wish
they
didn't
have
to
make
the
property
owner
wait
to
get
approved,
and
that's
where
this
list
came
from
and
most
it
I
would
say.
J
Nearly
all
of
the
examples
that
I
included
on
the
subsequent
page
are
examples
of
cases
that
have
come
to
the
bza
since
I
started
working
with
the
board
several
years
ago.
J
So
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
things
to
know
is
new.
Construction
is
going
to
still
come
to
the
board
and
would
require
a
variance
if
they
cannot
meet
the
zoning
ordinance.
J
There's
also
certain
things
that
will
still
continue
to
go
off
street
parking
deficiencies
which
can
need
a
little
more
evaluation,
as
well
as
telecommunications,
setbacks,
and
then
anything
that
is
referred
to
the
bza
by
staff.
So
if
we
have
a
modified
public
comment
process
for
nearby
Property
Owners,
if
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
concern
that
can
move
up
to
the
bza,
if
staff
is
concerned,
something
might
have
an
impact
that
could
move
to
the
full
board
for
review.
J
So
really,
here,
I
wanted
to
get
your
feedback
on
this
idea.
We
haven't
drafted
an
ordinance
yet,
but
that
would
be
the
next
step
if
the
this
is
something
the
committee
would
be
interested
in
moving
forward
and
I
would
go
ahead
and
draft
that
and
circulate
it
for
further
comments.
C
Great,
thank
you.
That's
really
helpful.
Are
there
any
questions
for
Megan
or
or
I
I
mean
I
think
it
was
really
helpful
to
have
all
these
examples.
I
feel
like
there
were
some.
C
A
Are
two
preferences
that
I
would
have
that
may
not
be
practical
or
may
may
take
a
lot
of
time
for
this
one
is
like
a
comprehensive
rezoning
of
the.
C
City
to
legalize,
more
of
it,
certainly
the
parts
that
we
like
and
the
priorities
that
we
have
two
would
be
going
through
the
list
and
just
fixing
the
things
that
take
a
lot
of
the
busiest
time.
L
Middle
ground,
before
we
do
comprehensive,
resulting
which
you
know
should
be
a
city-wide.
C
Inclusive
process
that
will
probably
take
a
long
time
so
I'm
generally
supportive
of
the
idea
and
look.
J
I
think
that
is
exactly
what
we
would
like
to
do
and
to
decide
exactly
what
we
would
want
those
changes
to
be.
We
need
to
do
a
little
bit
further
analysis.
So,
for
example,
we've.
A
J
Through
the
South
Side
neighborhood,
the
area
that
was
in
the
greater
South
Side
planning
boundary,
it
would
pretty
good
detail.
We
know
how
we
we
know
how
we
would
like
to
address
some.
J
We'll
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
project,
we'll
never
bring
it
to
every
property
into
full
compliance.
J
But
we
certainly
can
find
ways
to
make
more
of
them.
So
personally,
the
way
I'd
like
to
think
about
this
is
making
it
easier
right
now
until
we're
able
to
undertake
a
more
comprehensive
effort
and
then
also
in
the
future,
because
there
will
always
be
some
of
those
outlier
properties.
That'll
still
be
a
way
for
someone
that
doesn't
need
that
with
requirements,
but
aren't
proposing
major
drastic
changes.
K
L
A
G
J
They'll
go
ahead
and
see
if
it
meets
the
criteria
before
a
variant.
The
state
has
very
strict
criteria
barbariances,
so
they
have
to
have
a
pretty
narrow.
A
Focus,
but
that's
what
airport
does
okay,
and
so,
if
I'm,
just
thinking
about
the
you
know
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
it
out
and
make
sure
you
know
so,
for
instance,
this
20
million
dollars
or
something
million
dollars,
Ida
rebate,.
A
Need
rehab,
okay,
gotcha!
Well,
the
board
would
still
do
new
construction
right,
but
the
limited
process
would
be
very
existing
structures.
So
yeah
a
lot
of
all
garbage
I.
J
D
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
and
I
have
Amazon
appeals
for
several
months,
and
we
did
hear
so
many
things
that
were
so
ordinary
that
they
shouldn't
have
required
a
level
of
property
owner
to
have
to
spend
extra
time
and
expense
to
worry
about.
So
I
think
this
is
great
I
think
we
can
figure
it
out.
J
I
think
we
can
definitely
get
a
lot
closer
than
we
are
now
and
I
know,
particularly
in
Fall
Creek
we've
tried
in
the
past
and
wasn't
that
effort
was
not
successful.
Then
they
get
a
little
more
summary,
but
you
know
luckily,
with
some
more
time
we'll
be
able
to
to.
D
J
J
But
I
do
agree,
I
think
there's
just
there's
always
that
property
that
actually
might
be
over
the
property
line
or.
B
R
B
Just
need
to
get
a
lot
of
headline
or
thumbs
up,
but
it
looks
like
we
have
that
from
the
committee,
so
I'm
sure
Cynthia
would
like
to
weigh
it
at
some
point.
But
she's
not.
J
So
what
I
would
really
like
to
do
with
this
section?
It's
going
to
look
like
a
big
change
coming
forward,
and
this
is
a
big
change
process
wise,
but,
as
we've
started
to
look
at
the
section
of
the
zoning
organs
is
very
difficult
to
understand
in
spots.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
time
since
we're
looking
at
this
anyway
to
do
an
overhaul
on
the
language
and
make
it
clear
and
we
shouldn't
have
to
read
something
by
our
sometimes
to
understand.
J
K
A
C
Okay,
so
we
are
now
to
the
topic.
B
Of
the
Jack
policy
and
just
as
a
reminder.
R
We
at
our
the
last
time
we
talked
about
this.
We
had
asked
Lisa
to
circulate
the
draft
policy
for
comments
and
we
asked
for
a
few
things
to.
R
That
you
said
provided
for
us
about
the
use
of
the
word
enforcement
and
any
kind
of
alternatives,
alternatives
to,
or
at
least
they're
seeking
feedback.
R
About
the
inclusion
of
and
persons,
so
I
think
you,
like
me,
probably
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Looking
at
the
vast
amount
of
information
that
came
in
from
the
circulation
of
the
draft
policy,
there
was
a
lot
to
absorb.
B
And
of
course,
we
got
a
lot
of
feedback.
C
Tonight
as
well
so
I.
B
C
B
R
From
the
committee
then,
currently
that
the
policy
for
the
city
of
Ithaca
is
not
to
allow
camping
anywhere,
and
that's
the
important
thing
for
us
to
remember
so
as
we're
talking
about
next
steps
and
how
this
fits
into
a
larger
solution.
This
is
an
important
thing
to
remember
so
that
we
can
do
something
to
allow
us
to
think
of
this
as
a
piece
of
a
bigger
post.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
do
that
tonight
and
talk
about
what
we
need
to
do
as
next
steps
to
moving.
B
R
R
And
move
in
from
there.
So
having
said
that,
I'll
open
it
up
now,
of
course,
I've
always
wanted
preference
committee.
E
E
A
I
guess
it
started
something
I
think
that
we're
all
more
or
less
in
agreement
on
I
have
an
issue
into
Amber
zones
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
I
would
like
to
see
a
proposal
that
has
been
completely
removed.
R
R
E
Of
the
Amazon
piece
and
I,
also
okay,
so
at
the
Amazon
it
doesn't
it's
not
only.
E
C
R
K
A
Jorge
also
members
of
the
working
groups,
the
the
way
the
the
working
group
was
thinking
about
this-
was
that
any
public
property
City
owned
property-
that's
currently
being
used
as
like
a
sidewalk
or
a
parking
lot
or
the
commons
would
not
would
be
automatically
considered
a
mix,
not
an
Amazon
freelance
Parks.
Anything
inactive,
invest
by
the
public
radio
right
right
and.
A
A
E
E
Does
that
how
does
that
help
help
the
situation
and
maybe
am
I
on
the
wrong
thing?
So
say
whatever
what
I'm
saying
that's
a
green
zone
right
so.
A
E
N
That's
a
real
good
question,
the
right
that
is
adjacent
to
an
AIDS
and
a
number
of
the
residents.
Mates
have
said
that
the
defense
on
the
southern
border
of
nates
has
been
broken
down
and
people
come
in
and
and
best
walk
through
and
and
maybe
getting
some
verbal
conflicts
with
the
residents
and
worst
there's
any
crime,
student
stuff
and
there's
also
the
issue
of
noise
and
fights
and
smoke
from
fires,
which
I
think
doesn't
happen
as
often
now
as
it
used
to.
N
But
nonetheless
they
argue
the
wish
the
clear
wish
of
Maine's
floral
Estates
residents
as
a
b.
We
had
at
Eagles
Club
a
couple
weeks
a
week
ago
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
was
that
they
would
prefer
the
degree
Zone
was
not.
It
did
not
include
the
area
of
eyeballs
okay.
They
there
was
all
south
of
the
dewatering
area,
which
is
that
flat
cleared
area,
that's
quite
large
and
used
to
be
in
Kansas
in
there.
N
K
R
I
guess
I'll
just
add
to
the
specific
question
of
the
Amber
song.
You
know
it
wasn't
and
then
I
think
when
Tiffany
was
referencing
the
fact
that
we're
all
kind
of
in
agreement
I
don't
think
it's
just
the
people
sitting
around
this
table.
It
was
pretty
clear
in
the
information
that
we
received
based
on
the
circulation
that
that
there
was
enough
ambiguity
around
how
we
would
manage
a
different
type
of
Zone
and-
and
it
was
really
it's
either
red
or
it's
green.
We
would
be
a
way
to
eliminate
the
anger.
J
Yes,
clear
I
mean
my
issue
with
the
Amber
zone.
Is
that
it
relies?
You
know
it's
a
lot
of
gray
area.
J
Would
cause
somebody
to
call
the
police
on
somebody
who's
camping,
based
on
their
own
perception
of
the
of
the
situation
without
the.
A
This
conversation
around
like
the
green
zone
and
seeing
how
folks
from
nades
feel
about
XYZ
you
know,
presents
another
question
for
us
to
have
to
engage
with.
This
was
something
that
we
discussed
through
the
working
group
meeting
prior
to
this
meeting
was
the
fact
that,
if
that
were,
if
we
were
to
include
a
part
of
that
it
was
the
brain,
Zone
and.
A
A
Right
yeah
that
would
make
the
green
zone
we'd
have
to
either
stretch
out
some
other
place,
or
it
would
be
smaller
and
something
that
we've
had
to
contend
with.
In
conversations
around
like
we
bring
Zone
in
the
working
group.
Is
that
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
try
and
navigate
are
dealing
with
interpersonal
conflict
between
the
folks
who
have
different
relationships
within
the
jungle
and
whatnot
people
might
not
always
get
along
and
if
they're
right
on
top
of
one
another,
that
could
lose
a
challenge.
A
It's
something
that
I
brought
up
the
last
one
of
the
meeting
is
I
mean
I'm.
Looking
at
some
of
the
comments
that
we
received
from
the
beginning
of
care
regarding
the
green
zone
is
the
sort
of
the
viability
for
it
to
be
a
sanctioned
encampment
Zone
in
the
sense
of
people
putting
up
tents
and
whatnot
and
earlier
in
the
work
we'll
be
talking
about
trying
to
create
like
some
type
of
foundation
or
whatnot.
So
that
would
make
it
easier
to
camp.
A
But
during
I
mean
I
went
with
you
George
a
couple
of
months
ago
to
go
there
and
I
had
to
wear
my
tennis,
because
it
was.
It
was
very
funny
and
difficult
to
go.
You
know
some
people
make
it
work.
A
You
know,
as
it
is
right
now,
but
we're
trying
to,
but
we
want
to
make
this
attractive
site,
and
so
I
think
that
before
we
can
get
into
a
conversation
about
like
XYZ
and
my
Banning
and
banning
certain
areas,
we
need
to
talk
about
making
what
we
want
to
read
so
or
an
area
of
these
products,
people
to
be
camped
in
attractive
and
amenable
language.
So
that's
why
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
folks
want
action.
They
want
people
to
be.
A
You
know
not
on
top
of
folks
like
the
residential
area
and
whatnot,
and
what
we
heard
from
a
lot
about
these
workers
is
that
voluntary
compliance
typically
is
typically
what's
expected
in
terms
of
like
how
we've
always
engage
with
folks.
So
the
Red
Cell
to
here
seems
to
be
just
a
lot
of
abundant
contention
amongst
committee
members
amongst
people
in
the
residents
were
debating
about
how
big
it
should
be.
What
should
be
considered
that
I
think
which
focus
on
trying
to
make
the
greens
on
as
attractive
as
possible?
A
And
not
you
know
how
to
debate
over
like
this
is
the
red
zone.
This
is
not
allowed
in
Canada.
That's
as
Cynthia
mentioned.
It's
already
illegal
to
you
know
to
be
camping
on
like
on
city
land
and
there's
a
specified
for
it,
but
there's
a
reason
that
we
haven't
enforce
that.
It's
because
we
understand
that
we
have
housing
limitations,
but
we're
also
trying
to
adhere
to
our
you
know,
values
on
and
we
are
not
criminalizing
homes
and
so
with
a
camping
ban.
A
We're
just
comfortable
moving
I
think
a
lot
of
this
conversation
and
that's
why
I
think
we
need
to
return
to
a
conversation
of
working
with
the
county
or
with
the
Continuum
of
Care
in
one
meeting,
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
that.
You
know
playing
telephone
a
lot
of
the
times
between
the
county
and
between
COC
and
that
delays
things
because
now
we're
getting
their
information,
we're
hearing
it
or
we're
responding
that
takes
weeks
and
so
and
so
on.
A
So
I
think
you
need
to
be
in
the
same
room
together
and
talk
about
all
right,
you're
in
the
county
of
you
guys
helped
us
with
services
to
try
to
give
people
housing
and
whatnot,
and
you
know
you
know
the
city
we
control
land.
We
make
this
fun
with
some
foundations,
cbw
to
put
down
a
foundation,
put
up
some
bathrooms,
put
up
some
showers
and
make
this
distracted
and
not
you
know,
create
a
policy
that
they
can't
really
use
it
anymore
if
we
wanted
to.
A
But
this
is
my
concern
with
a
lot
of
this
work
and
there's
and
I
don't
want
to
suggest
that
we
need
to
throw
everything
out.
There's
some
good
things
here
and
trying
to
build
something,
that's
attractive
that
we
want
people
to
go
to.
It
seems
like
well
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
more
successful
carrots
and
honey
than
a
stick
in
vinegar
is
what
I'm
saying,
but
that's
my
respect.
A
I
just
feel.
Okay,.
E
A
Can
we
get
all
of
it
to
work
in
a
way
that
it
works
for
everybody?
That's
a
very
good
point.
They
infer
to
providing
machine.
We
have
to
include
I.
Think
that's!
It's
a
tough
rule.
It's
like
getting
that
room
together
and
there's
live
Cooks
in
that
kitchen,
but
it's
the
only
real
way
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
like
tangible
Solutions
over
the
short
term
and
the
long
term
and.
A
Been
hearing
this
stuff
about
how
afraid
the
Outreach
workers
were
to
go
in
them,
and
that
was
not
the
what
we
heard
tonight.
We
were
here
from
Floral
Avenue.
Well,
okay,.
J
A
A
And
there
are
a
lot
of
pieces
that
I'd
like
to
see
a
place
where
we
before
we
start
enacting
bands
are
using
six.
N
Worked
out
ties
proposal
that
Nellis
and
I
were
part
of
for
months
and
we're
not
anywhere
close
to
that,
but
if
we
start
with
showers
and
toilets
and
and
trash
removal,
and
one
thing
that
a
number
of
homeless
people
have
mentioned
to
me
and
I've
seen
in
other
communities
is
vitally
important-
is
storage
for
people's
stock,
that
they
can
lock.
N
N
This
is
the
first
step.
I
would
rather
take
the
first
step
and
find
out
it
didn't
work
then
take
no
steps.
N
I
know
that
when
the
obvious
workers
began
on
the
columns,
that's
when
that's
what
was
their
work
was
on
the
commons
and
the
task
was
to
not
only
to
deal
with
homeless
people
or
Street
people,
but
also
how
they
interacted
with
the
businesses
on
economies.
So
they
were
talking
to
business
people
on
College
I
wish,
though
the
Outreach
workers
were
talking
to
people
at
names
and
talking
to
business
owners
on
Sherry,
Street
and
and
finding
out
about
their
concerns.
R
What
I'm
hearing
the
many
of
the
ideas
that
are
coming
about
seems
all
only
really
be
possible
if
we
create
this
opportunity
by
identifying
some
kind
of
green
zone,
and
that
will
then
trigger
the
different
well,
the
city,
as
well
as
different
other
partners
in
this
to
be
able
to
do
some
of
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
in
that
area.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
step
and
whether
we
get
through
it
exactly
as
the
policy
is
written
now
or
if.
B
A
Well,
I'm
definitely
kind
of
what
I'm
sorry
I'm
hearing
Mary's
comment
about
the
Cardinal
horse
mate.
You
know
certainly
many
many
of
the
comments
were
you
working
on
a
Land
Management
policy
for
city
property
first
or
you
saw
you,
know,
award
work
more
to
advance
the
multi-agency
cross-agency
kind
of
working
group
that
is
charged
with
really
working
to
help
solve
the
larger
homeless
problem
and
we've
taken
the
step,
and
there
were
some
expectations
from
others.
A
We
thought,
but
the
city
needed
to
take
the
first
step
and
I'm
I'm,
not
convinced
that
a
land
policy
for
the
city
is
is
any
way
detrimental
to
the
larger
policy
approach.
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
city's
going
to
want
to
be
Land,
Management
and
policy
with
the
housing
first
policy.
So
this
is,
you
know,
I
think
they
can
both
move
on
on
a
parallel
track.
A
There
may
be
needs
for
adjustment
based
on
the
policies,
but
I
think
that
they
can
both
move
forward.
But
but
we
need
to
be
realistic
about
important
and
a
red
zone
is
a
Red
Zone.
We
have
to
come
up
with
some
mechanism
to
attempt
to
make
that
work.
That
way,
or
we
are
you
are
the
alternative-
is
to
create
a
green
zone
and
see
if
I
took
my
making
it
in
an
attractive
location
with
the
amenities
they
were
mentioned.
A
That
could
be
a
trial
way
to
go
forward
and
see.
If
that
works.
Like
George
said,
we
haven't
tried
much
and
we
don't
know
what
will
work
in
every
community
that.
A
It's
A
Hard
issue
to
solve,
and
it's
it's
such
diverse,
I
want
needs
and
issues
that
come
forward.
That
I
would
expect.
We
would
try
something
and
part
of
it
would
be
correct
and
part
of
what
would
be
wrong
would
have
to
make
adjustments
so
I
think
I
think
a
reasonable
step
forward.
That
I'm
hearing
some
consensus
on
is
to
try
to
create
a
green
zone,
an
actor
you
know
proactively,
say
there.
Is
it
on
a
trial
basis,
an
area
of
the
city
where
camping
would
be
allowed
in
there?
A
It
doesn't
resolve
the
issue
of
encampments
Elsewhere
on
city
property,
and
that
could
become
an
issue
as
well.
It
kind
of
just
kick
set
down
the
road,
but
we
also
haven't
come
up
with
any
real
consensus
on
how
we
will
go
about
administering
or
enforcing
a
Red
Zone
anyway.
So
that
could
be
a
long
discussion
in
that
direction.
So
I
think
there
can
be
some
positive
steps
moving
forward,
and
then
we
can
Engage
The,
Penalty
and
others
to
say
there
is
moving
forward.
A
E
Okay
and
I
think
people
in
me
when
I
say
that
I'm
talking
about
not
using
police
officers
but
I'm
talking
about
as
I
sat
here
tonight,
I
even
thought
it
we
could
have
people
who
work
in
that
Community
to
you
know
make
sure
that
that
people
are
understanding.
A
Of
us
enforcing
or
whatever,
but
I,
keep
there's
something
else,
I
meant
to
say.
Let
us
go
out
that
quick,
but
but.
A
Thing
I
keep
using.
A
Who
are
really
doing
this
work?
I
agree
again
with
George,
with
the
part
of
maybe.
A
Also
be
a
a
a
something
that
can
happen
and
and.
A
E
Was
right,
I
thought
so
when
we
do
this
whole
he's
around
the
encampments
and
stuff?
Is
the
law
going
to
be
changing
about
encampments.
A
A
In
the
city,
so
it's
not
a
use
that
is
specifically
allowed
so
I,
don't
think
this
policy
would
change
the
law.
It
would
just
be
a
policy
Council
to
allow
it
involvement
in
a
particular
area
or
a
particular
time.
A
Well,
I
looked
to
me
the
the
issue
of
housing.
First.
A
M
Know
some
sort
of
draw
you
know
other
than
just
enforcement,
but
you
know
if
that
were
included,
then
in
terms
of
enforcement,
it's
not
police
involvement.
It's
not
something
that.
A
A
I,
don't
really
think
that's
true.
A
lot
of
them
have
talked
about
the
issues
in
logistics.
Talking
to
individual,
you
know
keeping
track
of
who's
talked
and
which
individual
unhoused.
D
J
I
did
want
to
actually
ask
the
members
of
the
working
group
if
it
had
been
considered
discuss
instead
of
having
it
be
based
on
individual,
maybe
having
it
be
like
wider
time,
broader
time
period.
So,
for
example,
having
a.
L
J
D
A
We
could
even
leave
it
up
to
their
discretion.
How
long
that
length
of
time
would
be
until
you
know
at
that
point
they're
to
say
they
get
to
a
point
where
they
say
like
there's
no
amount
of
amenities.
We.
J
Can
we
can
offer
there's
no
amount
of
as
Outreach
workers
as
social
workers?
Speaking
to
this,
the
other
house,
you
know
hold
out
we're
still
camping
there
at
that
point,
moving
into
a
third
phase
that
does
include
police
officers.
A
Ibd
members
I
think
that
that
would
be
more
feasible.
A
lot
of
the
Outreach
workers.
J
A
Having
a
of
finite
period
of
time,
I
think
would
help
make
sure
that
we're
we.
E
Can't
implement
this
affected.
Do
you
really
miss
it?
So
the
people
from
the
encampment
and
the
Outreach
workers
when
they
were
talking.
A
About
the
idea
of
hyper,
focusing
on
the
green
zones
policy
and
I'm
trying
to
flesh
that
out
and
make
that
attractive
and
focus
on
that
before
we
get
into
conversations
about
the
Red
Cell
Andrew
Zone,
where
the
Empire
suit
is
dead
and
I
agree
with
him
that,
like
about
doing
some
things
on
like
a
parallel
track
so
like.
If
we
were,
this
was
a
voting
item.
This
rap
house
is
not
move
forward.
A
It
does
not
mean
that
we
are
gridlocked
and
focusing
in
time
in
terms
of
what
we
were
able
to
do
and
whatnot,
because
I
think.
As
we
mentioned
at
our
last
working
group
meeting,
we
can
talk
about
getting
a
trailer
or
to
where
the
green
zone
would
be
building
out.
Those
amenities
and
whatnot
and
those
Services
sometimes
make
it
attractive
and
from
what
we've
heard
from
all
the
Outreach
workers,
we
both
come
and
replied
in
comments
and
whatnot
is
that
the
volunteering
compliance
is
something
that
we
can
expect
for
the
most
part.
If
happens,.
A
And,
and
especially
if
you
make
that
site
more
attractive
and
so
I
I
think
it
would
be
ideal
if
we
talked
about
judging
our
Focus
to
building
out
that
green
zone
and
making
it
like
a
good
design,
you
can,
if
you're,
not
there
already
and
once
that's
been
established.
You
know
revisiting,
is
sort
of
the
land
use
elements
of
this
in
terms
of
the
green
and
red
zone,
but
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
try
and
see
based
off
of
what
we've
heard
about
these
workers.
A
Well,
we've
heard
from
help
on
the
house
folks
and
to
see
if
we
could
just
focus
on
average
volume,
Zone
and
building
that
out
and
then
move
forward
with
that
and
see.
You
know
this
is
a
pilot
program,
see
what
you
see
between
these
really
need
to
go
from
there
and
another
Point
I.
Remember
when
the
Continuum
care
came
to
present
to
the.
K
A
Group
about
going
together
Thomas
one
of
the
things
they
recommended
that
we
to
consider
doing
was
trying
to
put
together
a
sort
of
Advisory
board
that
consisted
of
members
of
baseball
mistakes,
folks
from
the
Cherry
Street
businesses
and
folks
who
were
both
currently
on
house
and
jungle
and
or
formerly
in
the
house
both
of
them,
and
that
group
could
try
and
sort
of
work
with
the
city
or
the
county
in
this
case
and
trying
to
decide
how
to
move
forward
with
policy
and
whatnot
and
I
think
that's
properly
development
that
we
could
probably
flesh
out
more
and
across
agency
approach,
issues
and
I
think
those
these
are
a
lot
of
things
that
we
should
consider
and
take
action
on,
in
my
opinion,
prior
to
moving
forward
on
a
conversation
with
land
use
policies,
I
think
we
can
move
forward
with
this
without
being
bogged
down
in
conversation
between
red
gradient
and
a
red
zone.
A
I
I
still
don't
believe
it,
but
it
can
be
ban
is
necessary
and
I
want
to
see
what
we
can
do.
You
know
in
terms
of
making
this
attractive
for
folks,
and
then
lastly,
though,
then
I'll
stop
talking
is
a
lot.
We
heard
a
lot
from
folks
more
so
about
the
issue
of
crime.
A
lot
of
it
was
from
mates.
You
know
we're
talking
about
how
their
big
concern
is
the
crime,
so
there
are
experiencing
there
and
we
actually
had
the
benefit
of
hearing
from
some
folks
who
are
on
housed.
A
You
know
saying
that,
like
ones
who
are
the
criminals,
the
criminals
are
sort
of
using
us
for
recover,
and
so
again,
if
we
were
to
make
this
red
cell
and
make
it
this
is
illegal.
To
be
camping,
I
mean
the
only
people
who
are
going
to
be
impacted
by
this,
in
my
opinion,
are
going
to
be
Beyond
house
folks
who
are
trying
to
just
live.
You
know
peacefully
there,
the
criminals
are
already
breaking
laws,
it's
already
illegal
to
go
around
with
a
machete
like
that.
A
I,
don't
think
he's
going
to
be
convinced
about.
Well,
you
know,
I
was
breaking
the
laws
over
here,
but
now
that
it's
you
know
now
that
it's
illegal
I'll
stop
you
know
and
that's
so
that's
a
big.
We
have
to
be
more
proactive
on
how
we're
doing
the
Public
Safety
in
that
regard,
and
so
that's
where
that
intersects,
with
with
Public
Safety
all
right.
N
One
thing
I
forgot
to
mention
earlier
that
I
think
is
vitally
important
and
it's
been
proven
in
the
past
by
Carmen,
Getty
and
and
his
helpers
is
that
if
you
want
people
to
move
and
we've
done
this
in
the
past,
you
help
them
people
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
stuff
and
it's
easily
easily
stolen,
and
so
we
need.
If
we
want
people
to
move
I
think
we
do,
we
need
to
help
them
move
and
we
need
to
have
secure
place
for
them
to
put
their
key
there.
N
That
has
to
be
part
of
the
gym,
and
we
can
do
that
with
volunteers
so,
but
it
had,
we
have
to
help.
A
I'd
like
to
apologize
to
I'm
very
sorry,
he
didn't
deserve
that
at
all.
Full
one,
I,
wanna,
I
wanna,
say.
A
Besides
that,
that's
a
reality
right.
You.
E
A
A
And
so,
naturally,
they
tend
to
shrink
during
Elementary
months
and
I.
Wonder
if
we
do
have
to
add
with
that
same
letters
and
not
really,
as
we
agree
with
a
multi-partner
collaboration,
but
also
as
long
as,
if
you
identities,
I'm
sure
you
know
something
about
how
the
home
ARP
might
deployed
and
whether
you
know
how
that,
after
going
to
be
intercepted
with
this
yeah,
it
works
quite
closely
is
intended
to
work
closely
with
the
Continued.
A
Care
is
housing
first
model
to
provide
rental
assistance
and
supportive
services
to
move
people
from
homelessness
into
stable
houses
and
then,
when
they
get
disabled
housing.
If
some
people
encounter
challenges
there
to
provide
some
additional
Supportive
Services
to
help
them
retain
that
housing,
because
we.
A
If
they
don't
have
access
to
some
supportive
services,
if
we've
been
in
the
jungle
for
two
years
and
you're
moving
to
an
apartment
in
a
urban
setting,
it's
a
it's.
B
To
kind
of
martial
resources
to
approach.
F
People
who
are
on
house
and
try
to
move
them
to
to
stabilizing
it's
rental
assistant
that
has
a
limit.
It
won't
go
on
forever,
but
the
goal
is
to
engagement
stability.
A
Hosts
and
then
they
can
transition
to
housing,
Choice
vouchers
or
some
other
sort
of
permanent
funding
source
once
there
once
their
house
is
the
goal
and
we'll
have
our
first
electronic.
F
A
That's
our
link
and
do
you
know
how
so
Staffing
is
a
huge
issue
across
every
industry,
but
certainly
in
nursing
and
social
services?
Do
you
think
they'll
have
the
personality.
C
Every
Human,
Service
Agency
is
challenged.
F
A
I
think
Dixon
does
bring
up
a
great
point
in
terms
of
reframing
the
urgency
around
this
proposal.
I.
I
A
Want
to
say
that
whether
or
not
we
support
the
inclusion
of
law
enforcement
I
think
that
if
it
is
agreed
upon
that
that
is
required,
I
think
it's
that
we
could
reduce
harm
significantly
by
making
sure
that
you.
J
Know
the
the
our
Police
Department
feels
prepared
and,
and
you
know
able
to
implement
this-
you
know
I
I,
fear
a
you
know,
understaffed
Police
Department
might
cause
officers
to
react
out
of
Panic
or
bias
instead
of
relying
on
their
training
if
they
feel
fully
supported
additionally
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
bring.
J
Ask
if
there
was
a
specific
rationale
in
deciding
it
should
be
like
five
individual
conversations
with
with
an
unhoused
person
or
camper
in
the
jungle,
and
if
maybe
it
would
be
feasible.
A
To
have
a
less
individualized
approach,
yeah
I
think
there
were.
There
were
several
comments
made
written
in
the
form
that
there
were
several
comments
written
that
suggested.
Maybe
it
was
beginning
to
care
that
talked
about
that
idea,
clearly
providing
them
some
education.
We
can
signage
and
information
about
the
policy
before
you
start
implementing
it,
and-
and
that
was
you
know,
those
are
things
that
can
be
built
into
the
policy.
A
A
phasing
phase
phase-in
process
makes
perfect
sense,
yeah
and
that
that
would
be
another
approach.
The
multi-step
process
was
designed
to
do.
You
know
to
address
going
to
be
escalating
kind
of
approach
to
you
know.
First,
give
people
a
very
clear
notice
that
again,
by
the
way,
that's
not
an
illegal
place
to
camp,
we
have
this
other
location
in
town.
A
Come
back
a
week
later,
you
know
and
there's
they
haven't
it's.
You
know
responded
to
that
suggestion.
You
come
back
with
with
you
know,
kind
of
slowly
bring
it
in,
but
wait
till
the
very
end
to
bring
in
any
kind
of
you
know,
police
presence.
The
idea
was
to
exhaust
other
remedies
first,
which
was
you
know,
trying
to
figure
out.
If
City
staff
can
be
the
person
or
somebody
like
an
Outreach
worker,
give
me
that
person
or
or
a
city
staff
person
before
we
go
to
the
police,
that
is
the
concept
there.
A
It's
kind
of
an
alternative.
You
know
it's
kind
of
a
phased
approach
on
an
individualized
basis,
but
it
certainly
makes
sense
to
have
a
phase,
an
employee,
signage
and
education.
You
know
first
and
then
some
quiet,
you
know,
maybe
you
know
Outreach
record
saying
it's
a
gonna
take
effect
in
30
days
or
60
days.
That
was
the
process
used
successfully
for
we
relocating
people
off
of
the
Cherry
Street
area,
where
Emmys
was
proposing
their
project
at
one
time
it
was
actually
I
think
about
a
six
month
notice
period.
A
I
went
a
lot
of
work,
my
own
Outreach
workers
to
help
people
move
primarily
to
behind
walmarting
and
we'll
always
impact
in
that
process.
So
that
makes
perfect
sense
to
incorporate
since
and
make
sure
it's
in
the
policy
that
there's
actually
a
base
and
process
when
clear
signage
of
record
and
and
noticed.
J
Being
given
yeah
I,
guess
I
guess
my
concern.
You
know
other
than
the
fact
that,
like
I'm
worried
that
this
there
would
be
like
a
lot
of
logistical
issues
with
this
would
be
stretching.
Are
our
workers,
then?
Is
that,
like
I
I
think
nobody
knows
better
than
the
people.
A
Previously
about
sometimes
it
takes
20,
you
know
so
I
think.
A
More
blanket
approach
that
would
allow
discretion
of
Outreach
workers,
people
who
have
been
going
into
the
jungle
for
a
long
time
to
decide
the
point
at
which
law
enforcement
might
have
to
be
involved.
A
Yeah
we'll
be
careful
to
expect
that
return
occurs
to
do
the
work
of
the
city,
though,
and
they've
made
it
very
clear
that
they
have
a
certain
goal
of
building
trust
and
then
they're
not
designed,
usually
to
be
an
important
things:
policy
and
electricity
employees,
and
mostly
always
workers.
P
E
E
A
Across
the
you
know,
going
in
late
at
night,
all
that
kind
of
stuff
like
that
and
we
sat
down
and
talked
so
I
failed
and
it
was
like
you
know:
what
can
we
do
to
help
these?
You
know
he's
the
kids,
but
they
still
sometimes
you
know,
think
like.
We
think
right
and
I
was
like
wow.
What
can
we
do
together
to
help
it
and
we
talked
about
allowing
people
to
feel
invested
in
their
community,
and
so
how
about?
We
ask
these
kids.
E
To
become
Science.
E
So
I
mean
we
can
use
another
type
of
thing,
but
how
about
you
know
people
who
live
in
the
jungle?
People
who
live
in
florals.
E
L
E
Know
whatever
you
want
to
call
of
your
community
and
they
both?
So
my
thinking
is
about
having
investments
in
their
Community,
because
whether
we
want
to
admit
it
or
not,
the
unhoused
individuals
who
live
in
in
that
area
of
the
Jungle
or
that's
their
community
right,
and
so
so
that
was
not
just
aha
moment
right
now.
You.
L
A
Of
that
of
how
do
we
do
that?
How
do
we
create
that
kind
of
atmosphere
or
help
create
that
kind
of
language?
A
E
A
Let's
see
why
that's
how
we
can
get
this
to
work
in
a
way
that
that
is
not
and.
N
To
pause
it
that's
a
good
idea,
it
might
be
difficult
like
one
of
the
more
amusing
stories
I
heard
last
year
was
a
person
at
mace,
went
outside
and
discovered
their
wheelbarrow
was
gone
and
walked
across
the
street.
It's
an
encampment
and
there
it
was
a
wheelbarrow
yeah.
So
he
got
it
back.
N
N
Is
there
are
police
officers
in
Ithaca
who
have
really
good
relationships
with
people
in
China,
known
by
name?
Some
people
ask
them
for
advice
and
help,
and-
and
so
that's
a
good
thing-
and
that
can
help
in
all
aspects
of
this
process.
N
A
Yeah
right
I
think
it's
pretty
make
a
great
point
and
that's
something
that
I'm
thinking
of
is
like.
Should
any
version
of
this
policy
come
to
economy
Council
right
now,
because
we
had
I
mean
this
was
really
having
feedback
from
folks
who
were
on
house
really
the
first
time
I
was
able
to
engage
them
about
how
they
feel
about
this
policy
and
whatnot,
and
this
has
been
the
most
and
I.
Don't
use
this
in
derogatory
sense.
A
Those
who
didn't
you
know
engagement
on
how
emotion,
Within,
These
moral
mistakes
about
this
I
was
able
to
attend
the
West
End
meeting,
because
that
had
to
work.
You
know
at
my
services,
industry
job
but
but
I
read
the
notes-
and
you
know,
reading
is
one
thing
hearing
it
from
folks
who
feeling
the
emotions
that
they're
feelings
and
other
things
and
I
really
want
to
reiterate
that
this
isn't
about
like
this.
This
Camp,
our
empathy
can't
be
binary
and
I'm,
not
suggesting
it
is
for
for
anybody
here,
but
it
can't
be
about.
A
We
need
to
mitigate
stuff
for
folks
who
are
dealing
with
real
problems
at
the
West
End
businesses
and
the
Marine
floor
seats
or
people
who
are
unhoused
in
the
jungle.
It
has
to
be
fun
and
I,
don't
feel
comfortable.
Moving
more
on
like
a
land
use
policy
in
general.
I
don't
feel
comfortable,
as
we
can
do
that.
A
But
beyond
that,
I
don't
feel
comfortable
about
taking
a
vote
on
something
when
we
haven't
really
consulted
any
folks
who
are
unhoused
and
folks
who
are
impacted
by
you
know
the
Young
House
populations
as
well
and
so
I
think
we
should
probably
have
to
keep
a
conversation
about
that,
and
I
would
really
like
for
us
to
focus
in
terms
like
doing
a
tangible
action,
because
I
really
should
do.
We
are
I
call
myself
just
now.
We.
K
A
With
things,
and
now,
as
you
just
mentioned,
that
might
be
a
stereo
units
are
coming
online
and
people
in
the
continual
care
are
actually
trying
to
get
people
who
are
unhoused,
many
of
them
in
the
jungle
into
those
housing
units
and
give
them
services
so
that
they
can
stay
there.
That's
something
we
heard
from
Outreach
workers
that
they're
that
people
are
actively
trying
to
go
to
the
jungle
and
help
people
get
housed.
That's
something
you
know
we're
talking
about
potentially
moving
facilities
into
a
green
zone,
a
sanctioning
campus
actually
that's
attractive
to
something
like
that.
A
A
What
have
you
and
I
think
we're
losing
excited,
taking
actual
action
short
term
while
things
unfold
in
the
long
term
and
so
I
think
before
we
come
we'll
turn
into
a
conversation
about
camping
Vans
and
like
Red
Zone
grandson,
which
I'm
I
don't
foresee
my
huge
change
around
that
anytime
soon
we
can
take
actions
now
in
terms
of
making
a
site
viable
and
attractive
to
people
who
are
unhoused
and
so
I
think.
That's
probably
the
posture
that
we
should
do.
A
I
think
we
should
focus
on
building
a
green
zone,
not
talking
about
what
that's
on
right
now
and
work
with
our
Outreach
workers,
where
we're
not
they're,
not
important,
we're
trying
to
empower
them
with
a
site
where
they
can
direct
people
to,
because
they
shouldn't
be
in
a
lot
of
response,
because
it
is
dangerous
for
them,
but
I'm,
not
convinced
that
you
know
red
green
zone
is
going.
This
is
the
right
shoe
and
I
think
we
can
really
do
a
lot
right
now.
We
don't
get
bogged
down
in
discussion
about
overdrawing
arbitrary
lines.
L
P
P
C
R
L
L
C
So
so
before
I
call
on
Donna
I
just
want
to
turn
to
the
working
group.
Members,
Lisa
and.
B
A
A
N
My
mom
used
to
say
start
with
what
you
all
agree
on
and
judging
by
well
this
conversation
and
and
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
community,
including
the
police,
including
Continuing
Care.
Nobody
wants
an
Amazon,
so
can
we
just
say
no
Amber
Zone,
that's
one
thing.
N
N
Right,
so
that's
two
things.
There
are
three
questions
asked
right.
So
that's
two,
but
what
was
the
third
one.
A
A
N
N
N
There's
internal
conflicts,
there's
a
Mountain
Bicycles
and
it's
a
problem
area
and
also
the
traditional.
N
Homeland
of
the
Jungle
and
there's
people
there
aren't
going
to
leave
unless
we
figure
out
how
to.
A
N
N
If
we
do
that,
it
will
take
a
lot
of
pressure
off
the
business
within
that
area,
it
also
will
probably
make
the
green
area
we
have
left
too
small,
that's
I,
think
that's!
One
of
the
big
problems
we
face
is
having
too
small
the
reason.
N
A
A
To
do
next
and
so
I
yeah,
no
I,
hear
I,
hear
you're
coming
from
George.
I
want
to
also
to
be
clear
that
with
a
lot,
I
right
has
a
lot
of
these
places.
A
Camping,
and
is
that
idea,
we
don't
want
folks
there
and
I've
had
this.
You
know
different
energy
by
by
Outreach
for
outreach
workers
as
well,
but
again,
I,
think
one
I
don't
feel
comfortable
taking
the
boat
on
any
type
of
decision
on
whether
somebody's
going
to
be
green
or
red
without
having
genuinely
consultant
folks
who
are
unhoused
to
having
a
deeper
conversation
with
them
and
folks
who
are
in
the
nearby
area
separates
and
insurance
for
businesses.
A
Number
two
you
mentioned
about
in
terms
of
you
know,
with
the
red
zone
wanting
a
mechanism
you
wish
to
get
people
out
of
there.
That's
what
we're
talking
about.
It's
not
really
practically
for
us,
because
we
understaffed
police
department,
there's
been
an
Outreach
worker
community
that
doesn't
want
to
be
out
outfitted
as
enforcers
and
and
is
unclear
about
their
comfortable.
A
Is
not
going
to
be,
you
know,
change
where
there's
nothing
as
possible
or
not
because
without
the
case
we
wouldn't
have
as
the
acceptance.
You
know
what
we're
gonna
do
right
now,
because
we
understand
practically
that
we
don't
have
a
way
to
get
people
out
of
there
without
criminalizing
homelessness
and
so
to
the
point.
The
knowledge
is
made
by
trying
to
keep
us
home
do
parallel
track.
A
I
think
we
should
move
forward
with
a
lot
of
what
we
talked
about
today
in
terms
of
creating
and
establishing
a
very
desirable,
attractive,
green
zone
and
focus
on
that
because,
again,
when
we
talk
about
limiting
that,
but
we
get
bogged
down
into
a
conversation
about
it.
What
should
be
the
Reds
and
I'm
like
because
you're
a
lot
involved,
a
huge,
a
huge
part
of
that
and
and
before
we
like
start
outgoing
areas
that
we
don't
want
people
to
be
in.
A
We
have
to
also
see
it
like
the
names
that
will
be
viable
and
attractive.
Folks,
you
know,
I
still
have
concerns
about
the
disability.
We
can't
there
and
if
those
will
find
it
attractive
enough,
they
don't
understand
which
we
should
also
be
helping
them
move.
If
they
decide.
We
did
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
logistics
that
we
should
work
out
in
terms
of
how
this
actually
practically
going
to
function
before
we
throw
the
hammer
down
and
say
you're
not
allowed
to
be
nobody's.
A
By
definition,
if
they're
not
allowing
somebody
to
be
in
one
area
and
then
they
get
a
citation
for
being
in
that
area
and
they
get
a
warrant
for
their
arrest
for
being,
production
went
to
court
if
you're
going
to
that
area,
that's
a
result
of
them
being
homeless
in
that
area,
and
so
this
is
my
concern
with
why
we're
having
bans
in
the
first
place
and
why
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
on
something
here.
It'll
be
focused
on.
K
A
Imagine
this
at
the
beginning
of
the
evening,
but
I
I
also
would
not
support
a
proposal
that
didn't
explicitly
outline
what
would
constitute
someone
to
be
removed
and
banned
from
camping
in
a
green
zone
and
also
like
I
would
like
that
to
explicitly
exclude
non-violent
drug
crimes
on
the
the
list
of
justifications.
J
A
A
Me
especially
considering
the
implications
for
people
with
substance
use
disorders,
foreign.
D
D
So
I
I
want
to
focus
on
the
behavior
that
we
want
to
regulate
and
eliminate
granted.
It
has
to
be
done
compassionately
if
there
are
circumstances,
as
Phoebe
has
indicated,
that
is
leaning
to
to
the
to
the
behavior
that
we
observed
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
first
step
that
we
decide
not.
D
We
decide
that
there
might
be
a
place
in
the
city
we
will
not
where
we
will
not
strictly
enforce,
are
Coalition
of
camping
and
where
we'll
provide
insulated,
the
water
and
toilets
and
services
with
the
idea
incrementally
of
reducing
the
idea
incrementally
of
moving
homeless
people
into
housing
and
for
people
who
do
have
places
to
live
that
are,
as
somebody
said,
are
amazing.
D
This
this
area
is
camouflage,
helping
them
deal
with
the
consequences
of
the
criminal
activity,
so
so
I
don't
think
we
want
to
say
that
there's
nothing
that
we
want
to
regulate
because
again,
even
if
camping
were
legal,
it
would
be
regulated
and
I
am
going
to
try
very
hard
to
focus
my
language
on
the
behavior
that
we
don't
like
or
want
to
eliminate
and
not
the
type
of
person
that
we
want
to
removed.
E
A
E
A
green
zone
in
place
for
people
to
you
know.
E
Is
they're
already
red
areas?
Why
don't
we
say
it
out
loud
or
not
right,
right,
so
yeah,
I'm,
I'm,
just
happy
with
everybody
who's
done
this
work.
It's
been
lots
of
work.
Thank
you.
Nils
Lisa,.
C
Go
so
so,
let's
go
there,
so
I
think
I
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
staff.
C
Committee,
in
particular,
how
do
we
move
forward
taking
the
ideas
that
we
have
generated.
R
Tonight
and
I
I'm
get
I,
guess
use
it
as
a
way
to
bring
forward
a
revision.
B
A
A
C
R
B
R
R
With
or
procedure
with
regulation
to
help
the
city
manage.
N
N
The
reason
the
red
zones
was
picked
was
because
of
this
location
adjacent
to
mates
and
several
West
End
businesses,
and
it
is
somewhere
in
the
in
the
literature
that
other
zones,
they
may
not
be
called
Renaissance,
but
they're
specifically
accepted
from
camping
and
that's
like
Street
sidewalks
city
parks.
On
my
backyard.
A
It
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
stop.
I
would
suggest
we
not
something.
I
mean
Tiffany,
said
a
few
times
today.
R
R
R
Good,
but
we
can't
do
this
as
a
group
right
so.
B
G
G
A
Ahead,
I
was
going
to
say
as
one
of
those
working
group
members
and
because
I
am
committed
to
trying
to
move
forward
with
action
by
trying
to
deliver
on
the
solution,
but
I'm
happy
to
be
learning
the
post
working
with
PVC
any
Committee
Member
here
on
trying
to
revise
and
so
that
we
can
focus
on
delivering
and
relief
and
solutions
to
folks
in
the
jungle
and
the
internet.
Follow
the
states
in
the
West
End
businesses
by
trying
to
create
a
site
that
will
attract
people.
A
My
services
to
the
committee
and
help
out
with
with
that
harassment.
N
Tammy
Davis
she's
just
gotten
a
job
with
the
homeless
coordinator
for
this
County
there's
going
to
be
a
bunch
of
Outreach
workers,
I
plan
on
going
out
there.
N
Think
right
in
the
morning,
Friday
kind
of
complex
with
our
Ura,
but
there's
some
good
things.
Some
ideas
I'm
familiar
when
I
come
out
of
that
and
there's
there's
some.
E
That
was
the
big
concern
for
me,
because
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
Veronica
that
we
have
a
lot.
E
Of
places
here
in
the
city
that
just
them
nothing
I
I,
maybe
a
mask
in
the
wrong
committee
or
the
wrong
group.
How
do
we
access
some
of
these
places?
At
least
you
know
when
I
think
of
well
that
place
I,
don't
think.
E
E
So
there
are
a
few
other
really
places
right
now
that
I'm
I
was
thinking
of
one
of
the
Veronica
sit.
R
We
can't
do
that
with
more
than
two
committee
members
for
the
same
reason.
So
so
and
then
I
want
to
try
to
set
maybe
a
real
timetable
of
possible
meetings,
or
at
least
other
sessions,
I'll
call
them.
R
R
N
A
green
on
his
own
proposal
is
that
what
you're
seeking.
G
C
B
R
H
A
Kind
of
intensely,
with
a
person
assigned
to
it
or
a
department
and
I
can
park,
for
example,
for
example,
and
then
we
have
lands
that
are
lately
managed
that
don't
have
any.
You
know
tight
enforcement
or
necessarily
even
a
person
or
an
apartment
that
you
know
regulating
or
mowing
any,
but
not
only
to
be
kind
of
Stripped
by
city,
land
or.
A
Might
see
some
of
those
the
opinions
you
can't
regime
from
railroad
property
or
their
private
property
for
that
vicinity,
but
that's
you
know
right
now:
we're
focusing
on
City,
owned
property,
I.
Think
I
wouldn't
recommend
changing
our
current
policy
on
Parks
and
natural
areas
or
or
those
kind
of
regulated
sites.
So
we
just
keep
that
in
place.
The
question
is
what
you
want
to
do
for
the
lightly
regulated.
R
Is
it
possible
to
to
do
that
without
identifying
specific
spaces
like?
Can
we
can?
Is
it
easy
enough
for
us
to
say
this
is
the
procedure
that
we
have
to
move
people
out
of
lands
that.
B
A
My
interpretation
with
green
only
zone
is
you
focus
on
the
green
zone
and
you
make
no
different,
no
changes
or
fortifications
about
how
those
lightly
regulated
properties
that
are
not
in
the
green
zone
are
administered.
So
I
guess
some
would
say
it's
a
continuation
of
tasks
and
acceptance
in
some
cases,
but
there
are
other
situations
where
they
rise
to
a
level
where
they
would
require
a
response
like
a
fire
like
a
writer
or
something
like
that
yeah,
but
that
is,
it
is
in
some
respects
keeping
a
candy
on
the
road
on
this.
L
N
Going
to
go
there,
so
in
that
case,
all
that
work
that
went
into
cleaning
that
area
and
the
money
we
got
from
the
county
to
waive
the
dump
fee,
which
they
said,
don't
ask
us
to
do
this
again.
If
you
come
back
here
with
the
same
problem,
all
that's
thrown
out
the.
A
Window
I
don't
agree
because
not
if
we
are
engaging
our
Outreach
workers
to
try
and
convince
folks.
Thank
you
and
now
that
we
are
trying
to
engage
our
Outreach
workers,
try
and
convince
folks
to
try
and
and
see
the
value
in
a
in
a
green
zone
and
whatnot,
because
it
was
just
talking
about
green
zone.
We're
not
talking
about
a
red
zone
or
an
enforcement
protocol,
and
whatnot
they'll
feel
less
like
enforcers.
A
They'll
be
more
inclined
to
try
to
support
those
going
to
the
green
zone
area
that
will
maintain
that
trust
between
folks
and
individuals
there
and,
and
then,
if
you
will
encouraging
them,
they
had
a
lot
of
successfully
doing
that
and
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
in
regards
to
our
relationship.
A
We
can't
always
tell
them
that
having
us
take
the
first
step,
the
first
step
that
we
need
to
take
is
trying
to
engage
them
and
coming
together
across
the
agency
to
talk
about
what
they're
able
to
do
expecting
us
to
jump
and
then
for
us
to
match.
Our
energy
is
not
realistic,
because
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
a
conversation
about
how
we
can
provide
the
service
that
folks
need
to
enter
houses
and
whatnot.
A
So
what
I
would
tell
our
friends
in
the
county
and
whatnot
in
terms
of
like
you
know
a
next
step
is
we
need
to
get
to
the
same
mood
together
before
we
can
review
before?
We
can,
you
know,
talk
about.
You
know
us
making
like
the
next
step
or
them
making
the
next
step,
and
what
not
it
needs
to
do
collaboration,
because
something
will
be
discussed
at
this
point
is
that
the
enforcement
protocols
that
we
would
that
would
that
is
currently
increasing
the
policy
is,
is
enamored
with
a
bunch
of
logistical.
A
You
know,
possibilities
and
headaches
and
whatnot,
and
so
to
do
that
on
top
of
the
fact
of
not
having
a
red
zone
to
me,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
We
should
focus
on
building
up
and
supporting
a
green
zone
and
convincing
our
Outreach
workers
that
we
need
to
direct
folks
here,
like
while
they're
also
trying
to
get
folks
into
housing.
A
Brenda
Street
area
that
that
was
cleaned
up
and
partially
fenced
off,
presents
an
alternative
approach
to
trying
to
keep
that
area
clean,
which
is
the
converted
into
the
basically
our
product
or
a
something
like
a
recreational
area
that
is
open
for
public
use
and
is
kind
of
becomes
managed.
Then,
as
a
public
use
area
for
daytime
activity
in
that
mental
activity.
R
A
R
To
Camp
over
there
that
sells
people
on
it
more
than
forces
them
to
comply
that
would
be
in
place
for
whoever
has
to
deal
with
those
lightly
managed
areas
and
and
I
keep
thinking.
You
know
that
there's
probably
a
lot
of
places
in
the
city
that
could.
R
R
B
Here
so.
B
N
I'm
not
gonna,
get
everybody
to
move
to
the
green
zone,
just
because
it's
it's
nicer,
's
not
going.
K
A
Yeah
I
think
we
already
understand
that
it's
step
one
because
we
don't
have
any
other
places,
certain
cases
accessible
all
night
and
now
it
goes
to
the
background,
encourages
to
continue
with
them
a
few
other
pieces
and
then
ensure,
and
how
to
do
that.
I
just
think
it's
not
there
yet
I
mean
so
you
know
my
Recreation
would
be
just
somebody.
The
one
who's
only
centered
I
think.
The
reason
I
do
is,
as
as
a
support
committee
and
I
think
we
have
200
views
right.
C
E
Q
Q
A
Green
zone,
or
whatever
we
want
to
call
it
an
amendency
Zone
that
you
know
the
intention
would
be
to
have
amenities
there
or
basic.
A
A
Pilot
basis
with
amenities
is
a
pretty.
A
A
Anywhere
else,
since
everything
else
remains
in
place,
but
that
does
the
risk
is
that
people
will
go
camping
in
areas
that
the
city
doesn't
want
them.
You
know
not.
Everybody
will
be
interactive
to
the
green
zone
and.
N
And
I'm
not
against
this,
but
it
adds
Financial
component
of
putting
those
amenities
in
place
and
figuring
out
who's
going
to
manage
them.
And
all
that
great
and.
A
I
mean
for
that
reason,
I
think
it's
I
understand
that
we
want
to
move
with
something
but
to
try
and
we're
being
authentic.
Everyone
forgiven
a
language
if
we're
not
bullshitting
people
and
we're
trying
to
be
serious
about
trying
to
create
an
attractive
site
for
people
to
camp
and
whatnot
I.
Think
Council
should
have
like
a
plan.
We're
like
okay,
like
this
is
what's
going
to.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
in
terms
of
who's
going
to
run.
A
It
is
going
to
manage
it,
and
we've
already
heard
the
average
workers
that
they're
not
interested
in
being
enforced.
Certain
supervisors,
I,
imagine
they'd,
be
even
less
interested
in
being
managers
or
something
like
that
would
have
to
find
out
who's
going
to
do
that
and
again
that
we
turn
to.
If
we're
trying
to
you.
K
A
Else
has
been
saying
in
terms
of
like
it
over
complicates
things
to
talk
about.
You
know
an
enforcement
protocol,
the
rest
of
the
area.
For
that
reason,
because
those
are
more
than
just
people
per
hour,
you
know
to
meet
the
deadline
of
like
a
vote
and
whatnot
and
again
I
think
we
should.
A
There
should
be
serious
efforts
to
consult
on
House
people,
and
people
in
these
forces
will
take
a
vote
on
like
or
something
it's
like
I'm
now
running
away
from,
like
things
being,
you
know,
being
camping
in
specific
areas,
because
we're
like
resigning
to
the
fact
that,
like
every
expand
everywhere
and
so
focusing
on
the
desirability
of
the
green
side
and
not
building
their
mechanisms,
privilege
to
compelling
people
with
a
stick,
I
think
is,
though
it
is.
B
Going
to
have
to
extend
our
meeting
or
vote
to
extend
the.
C
Meeting
so.
K
C
R
C
L
C
R
A
R
Can
see
earlier
somebody
mentions
thinking
this
is
a
pilot
yeah,
we're
notorious
for.
B
R
Helps
us
review.
B
B
I
would
love
to
see
set
ourselves
up
for
a
similar
fine
line
right.
L
A
B
B
R
Things
and
so
that
might
get
us
a
new
draft
three
weeks
from
now.
E
E
Maybe
not
even
that
maybe
just
do
an
offense
in
front
of
floral
I
mean
mates
I
used
to
live
here.
Yeah.
A
C
A
Park,
whatever
the
Black
Diamond
Trail,
is
going
to
be
constructed
in
a
parallel
route
along.
A
A
Like
you,
walk
around
the
city
doesn't
own
the
entire
property
right,
but
you
know
there
may
be
a
way
to
make
that
again
encourage
people
to
use
a
more
a
better
well-kept
service
for
walking
on.
B
Number
of
people
who
got
their
needs
and
I
I
do
think.
There's
a
so
I
can't
remember.
A
So
the
other
thing
is
that
that
area
had
a
lot
of
encampments
two
years
ago
and
there
were
a
lot
of
fires
in
that
area.
It's
it's
an
area
that
visually
looks
like
it's
kind
of
trash,
Remnant
material.
In
there,
it's
not
an
easy
place
to
find
a
clean
place
to
Camp.
One
way
to
enhance
an
area
to
be
more
readily
camping
is
gross
when
you
can
clean
it
up.
F
C
A
B
B
P
A
C
Okay,
all
right
I'm
going
to
say
that
we
wrap.
R
C
That's
in
moves
the
June,
20
23
minutes
for
approval
second
baby
seconds,
all
those
in
favor
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Dave.
C
A
K
C
I
wonder
yeah
I
was
gonna,
say
it.
The
email.