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A
G
Let's
see
so
claire
fincher
is
here
with
me
and
then
john
was
gonna.
Call
him.
F
Yes,
that's
part
of
our
team,
all
right.
B
G
H
B
G
Yeah,
okay,
okay,
so
let's
see
we
have
two
things
that
we're
going
to
cover.
Actually,
can
you
share
your
screen,
or
can
I
see,
can
I
share
my
screen?
Yes,.
G
Okay,
you're
able
to
see
my
screen
yep,
okay,
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
we
wanted
to
touch
base
on
today.
First
of
all,
we
wanted
to
just
review.
We
have
prepared
some
responses
to
specific
planning
board
comments
that
we
heard
at
the
last
meeting
and
then.
G
Secondly,
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
design
review
component
of
the
planning
boards
review,
which
is
which
is
our
next
step
on
our
planning
board
agendas,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
anticipated
approaching
that,
let's
see
so
on
my
right
that
also,
if
I
could,
let's
see,
rob
and
mitch.
C
Oh,
you
also
have
cj
and.
G
So
we'll
just
share
with
you,
so
our
vin
is
going
to
go
through.
There
were
a
couple
of
specific
requests
by
planning
board
members.
One
was,
I
think,
emily
actually
had
requested.
G
She
said
she'd
really
like
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
relationship
of
the
buildings
immediately
adjacent
to
the
west,
and
so
we've
done.
We've
prepared
a
couple
of
diagrams
that
help
us
understand
that
and
also
she
was
interested
in
understanding
a
little
better
walkway
areas
where
there
are
no
places
you
know
so
where
you
have
a
more
narrow,
walkway
space,
and
so
we
have
some
diagrams
also
that
from
a
different,
a
few
locations
that
help
understand
that
and
our
vin
will
go
through
that.
G
I
think
that
it
might
have
been
cj
who
said,
you'd
be
really
interested
in
just
in
seeing
what
it
is,
we're
gonna
be
doing
with
lighting,
and
so
we
believe
that
lighting
is
absolutely
a
very
important
part
of
the
project.
We're
not
there
yet,
and
so
I
think
that's
going
to
come
a
little
a
little
bit
later
for
the
that's,
that's
still
to
be
developed.
G
We
have
been
working
very
closely
with
the
city,
both
the
engineering
department
and
the
planning
department
related
to
their
street
improvements
project,
and
we
actually
got
some
samples
of
the
street
lights
that
are
being
proposed.
We
actually
have
them
here
in
our
office,
so
we
could
and
you
know,
sort
of
check
those
out,
and
so
we
are,
you
know,
coordinating
on
that
front,
make
sure
you
know
everything's,
dark
sky,
so
more
detail
about
the
lighting
will
come
at
a
later
date.
F
And
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
please
just
ask
them
as
I
go
through
it.
So
the
following
side
plan
really
shows
the
location
of
and
katherine.
If
you
can
follow
the
cursor
through
it
that'd
be
great
the
location
of
the
proposed
building
2b,
which
is
on
catherine,
north
and
building
4,
which
is
on
catherine
south
and
which
is
on
cook
street,
which
shows
the
relationship
to
the
adjacent
residential
buildings
to
the
west.
F
F
This
is
not
as
per
the
quote,
45
foot,
as
required
for
zoning,
which
we
do
meet
by
the
way,
but
as
an
average
elevation
because
of
this
topography,
which
is
sloping
down
to
the
west,
the
existing
building
to
the
west
is
about
39
feet
to
the
peak,
and
while
our
building
is
about
47
feet
as
an
average
street
elevation,
the
other
things
in
here
the
volumes
of
these
two
buildings
in
relationship
to
2b
and
our
neighbor
is
very
complementary,
both
in
height
as
well
in
horizontally
as
compared
to
the
to
the
masting
of
the
buildings.
F
Next,
please,
on
cook
street,
the
opening
between
our
proposed
building
number
four
and
the
existing
building
to
the
west
is
11
and
a
half
feet.
The
form
of
our
building,
the
building
number
four
to
our
neighbor
to
the
to
the
west
is
very,
very
similar.
It's
vernacular
in
its
aesthetics
and
we've
gone
ahead
and
actually
also
broken
down
the
horizontal
nature
of
building
four
by
inserting
the
vertical
grid
and
horizontal
lines,
so
proportionally,
it's
very
similar
to
our
neighbor
to
the
west.
F
F
Next,
please,
the
following
slide
really
shows
the
relationship
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
face
of
our
buildings
on
catherine's
south
section
number
one
is
taken
at
probably
the
most
go
back,
please
section
number
one
is
taken
at
the
most
narrowest
part
and
that's
really
where
we
have
the
bus
stop
section
number
two
is
really
much
more
of
the
typical
sidewalk
dimension
against
the
face
of
our
building.
F
Next,
please,
as
I
stated
below
section
number
one,
it
shows
that
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
at
the
bus
stop
at
the
most
narrowest
point
is
11
foot
four
to
the
face
of
our
building.
Now.
This
also
includes
a
five
foot
setback
from
the
property
line
to
the
face
of
our
building,
and
it
is
within
this
that
we
have
introduced
the
front
entry
stoops
going
into
the
townhouses.
F
Now
we
consider
these
front
entry
stoops
to
me,
be
made
of
very
light
material.
As
far
as
we're
seeing
we're
seeing
this
as
a
steel
structure,
we're
not
making
it
out
of
masonry
because
we
don't
want
it
to
be
a
heavy
obstruction
along
the
sidewalk
itself.
We
want
this
to
be
light,
so
your
perception
always
is
the
full
depth
of
the
existing
sidewalk.
F
Similarly,
along
which
is
much
more
typical
dimension,
is
an
18
foot,
sidewalk
dimension
from
the
curb
all
the
way
to
the
face
of
the
building
again,
the
front
entry
stoops
are
treated
in
the
same
manner.
They
are
quote
a
light
entry
porch
along
and
in
the
setback.
They're,
not
heavy
they're
kept
light.
So
your
depth
of
perception,
as
well
as
a
a
characteristic
of
the
space,
would
be
that
it
is
18
foot
six
over
all.
B
I
have
a
question
so
I
guess
I
didn't
realize
so
so.
Yes,
your
perception
is
that
it's
18
feet,
but
you
actually
can't
be
in
that
four
foot.
Two
foot
four
feet:
two
inch
space.
You
can't
walk
in
there.
You
can
your.
F
F
So,
yes,
you
can
at
some
point
walk
to
the
face
of
the
building
at
other
points,
you're,
absolutely
right.
The
risers
and
the
landing
will
preclude
you
from
going
to
the
face
of
the
building
itself.
F
A
F
Sorry,
there's
two
distinct
conditions
along
catherine
street
section.
One
really
is
where
the
sidewalk
meets
the
entry
steps
as
they
go
into
the
quote:
residential
apartments.
Section
two
is
cut
at
the
location
where
there
is
a
light
well
introduce
introduced
in
order
to
bring
light
down
to
the
lower
level
of
the
building.
So
next
please
catherine!
F
So
as
we
look
at
section
1,
you
have
catherine
street,
you
have
a
five
foot
sidewalk
and
then
you
have
an
extended
walk,
which
leads
to
the
steps
that
actually
go
into
the
residential
building
within
this
10-foot
setback,
which
is
the
face
of
building
2b
as
well
as
2a.
They
are
set
back
10
feet
from
the
property
line.
So
overall,
from
the
curb
line
to
the
face
of
the
building.
Again,
there
is
a
15
foot
dimension
and
within
that
10
feet
is
the
light.
F
Well,
the
steps,
as
well
as
the
planting
strip
at
the
location
where
you
do
not
have
any
entry
steps.
You
are
basically
a
wider
walk
with
a
planting
strip
next
to
the
light.
Well,
so
again,
you
have
a
15
foot
dimension
from
the
face,
a
5
foot,
walk
and
then
another
3
foot
6.
That
extends
to
a
rail
condition
which
looks
down
the
light.
Well,
a
lot
of
these
setbacks
are
very
similar
to
what
the
other
residences
are
along
katherine
street.
F
So
catherine
street
has
a
certain
rhythm
of
where
the
building
faces
are
all
on
cr4
and
the
extended
width
of
the
sidewalk
gives
you
an
opportunity
to
have
a
more
expansive
and
a
more
leisure
walk
as
you're
going
up
and
down
captain
street.
Now
some
of
these
studies
that
we
have
done
we're
done
in
order
to
quote
create
an
environment
that
is
much
more
friendlier,
much
more
relaxed,
as
you
are
a
pedestrian.
F
So
there
is
that
benefit
to
the
public
in
that
regard,
but
there
is
also
a
benefit
to
the
residences,
because
by
creating
this
interaction
between
the
street,
creating
these
light
wells
along
the
street
one
is
bringing
light
to
the
lower
level
to
create
a
much
more
pleasant
environment,
but
also
this
constant
interaction
that
the
urban
fabric
is
a
continuous
everyday
life
occurrence.
It's
not
a
public
versus
a
private
standoff
kind
of
a
condition.
G
So,
okay,
great
so
thank
you
ervin.
I
think
then
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
unless
we
have
any
more
questions
about
that.
At
this
point,
I'll
move
on
to
a
discussion
about
the
design
review.
I
just.
B
E
Could
I
ask
you
just
a
quick
question:
could
you
go
back
to
the
the
sections
you
just
showed
with
the
entries
yeah
no
yeah
there
we
go
okay,
yep
tell
me
about
them.
E
If
you
could
just
don't
have
to
explain
right
now,
but
in
the
future,
if
you
would
just
show
I'm
seeing
like
a
handle
coming
down
from
the
stairway,
if
you
could
just
kind
of
show
how
far
that's
going
to
be
sticking
out
yeah
that
piece
into
the
walkway,
I
could
totally
see
whacking
myself
on
something
like
that.
F
No
understood
cj
and
normally
as
per
code.
What
is
required
is
for
that
handrail
to
extend
one
tread
plus
12
inches,
but
there
are
ways
to
mitigate
that
by
curling
it
by
bringing
it
down.
We've
done
it
in
many
ways,
and
I
fully
understand
what
you're
saying,
which
is,
if
I'm
walking
on
that.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
get
jabbed
in
the
hip.
So
I
I
do
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying.
G
Okay,
so
regarding
the
design
review,
so
I
think,
as
you
know,
we
have
two
planning
board
meetings
that
are
scheduled
to
address
the
design
review.
This
is
the
agenda
item
for
our
december
meeting
and
we
will
be
submitting
our
design
review
submission
with
many
more
graphics
than
you
just
saw
today.
G
Those
were
really
developed
to
address
specific
questions,
so
our
design
review
application
will
be
submitted
next
wednesday,
the
15th
and
then
distributed
to
the
board
prior
to
the
december
planning
board
meeting,
and
so
our
thought
is
that
there
are
sort
of
two
primary
components:
the
building
architecture
and
then
the
site
design
and
the
plazas
streetscape
and
classes.
G
And
so
our
proposal
is
to
begin
with
the
building
design
and
the
package
that
we're
submitting
next
week
is
is
really
focused
on
the
building
design.
In
addition,
we
are,
we
are
attempting
we
are
aspiring
to
deliver
product
samples
of
all
of
the
materials
with
buildings
to
city
hall
by
the
end
of
next
week,
so
there'll
be
material
samples
there
for
people
to
look
at.
You
know
whenever
it's
convenient
for
them
to
drop
by.
G
G
Then
we
have
a
special
meeting
scheduled
for
january
13th,
which
is
dedicated
to
this
project
is
my
understanding,
and
so
I
think
we
could
wrap
up
the
building
review
and
also
cover
the
site
review
at
that
time,
and
and
we
will,
we
will
probably
be
submitting
a
supplementary
package
of
additional
information
about
the
site
prior
to
the
january,
but
that
is
that
is
our
game
plan
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
in
alignment
here
and
that
feels
like
a
good
approach
to
everyone,
and
you
know
any
comments
you
might
have
about
that.
C
C
C
Great
before
I
turn
it
over
to
one
last
round
of
questions,
cj
made
me
think
of
something.
Could
you
show
me
those
stoops
again
the
the
cross
section
that
showed
the
stoops
with
the
pedestrians.
C
Those
guys,
maybe
those
aren't
landings
thinking
about
people
whacking
into
stuff,
at
least
in
one
of
these
cross
sections.
The
bottom
of
these
little
stoop
areas
seem
to
be
right
at
head
height
now
this
could
just
be
the
way
the
pedestrians
are
illustrated.
Not
you
know,
indicative
of
the
actual
measurements,
and
I
don't
necessarily
need
an
answer
today.
Just
maybe
a
version
of
this
that
has
those
measurements,
because
I
actually
think
banging
your
head
on.
Those
would
be
way
worse
than
banging
your
hip
on
the
handrail
and.
F
We'll
definitely
have
something
to
show
you
in
that,
and
that's
part
of
also
the
code
where
you're
absolutely
right
me
today
doesn't
want
to
bang
into
those
either.
So,
yes,
we
will
have
address
of
that.
C
Yeah
and
I
I
have
a
feeling
that
that's
not
as
much
of
a
problem
as
the
illustration
would
indicate
that
it
is
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
members
of
the
board
before
we
part
ways
or
staff
for
that
matter.
D
F
D
F
F
F
D
F
A
problem
and
it
will
be
open
and
it
will
be
light
and
we
understand
what
you're
asking.
B
I
just
I
agree
with
mitch
about
that,
and
also
about
the
the
other
sections
you
showed
with
the
light
wells.
I
mean
that
wasn't
clear
to
me
at
least
yet
in
some
of
the
other
drawings.
So
any
any
way
you
can
visualize
that
in
a
more
detailed
way,
whether
this
an
axon
would
work
for
this
or
if
it's
a
rendering
or
you
know
what
it
would
look
like
walking
down
the
street
for
somebody.
You
know
you
know
more
zoomed
in
idea,
so
yeah
we
can
see.
D
G
Gonna
yeah,
but
you
know-
and
you
know
it
might
also
be
helpful-
to
show
some
photographs.
I
mean
there
is
precedent
for
this
on
some
of
the
other
projects
that
this
team
has
done.
Yeah,
that's
the
right,
the
town
houses
at.
What's
the
address
there,
organ.
G
Right
so
yeah
right,
correct,
just
even
maybe
some
photographs
of
those
as
a
would
be
helpful.
I
mean
because
they're
right
down
the
street
and
it
really
creates
actually
a
really
nice
sort
of
little
garden
space
down
below.
They
have
a
really
nice
feeling
to
them
the
way
they're
detailed.
It's
been
quite
successful
on
other
projects,
so
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
show
too.
F
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
presentation
model,
and
so
you
worry
about
the
rawness
of
the
model,
because
sometimes
people
get
lost
in
that
so
because
people
have
different
perceptions
when
they're
looking
at
a
role
model.
C
Fair
enough:
well,
it's
also
the
size
of.
F
Well,
one
quick
question:
if
I
may
and
catherine
you
might
know,
the
answer
to
this
at
the
planning
board
in
december
is
our
time.
What's
the
time
frame
that
we
have,
as
is
15
minutes,
20
minutes.
B
So
before
we
get
started,
I
just
want
to
say
that
and
I'll
let
nikki
lead
this.
The
our
the
action
this
month
is
just
to
look
through.
You
know
to
review
the
part
three
and
you
know
especially
land
and
water,
and
what
we
have
an
open
space
and
in
preparation
for
a
potential
neg
deck
next
month.
So
as
we
work
through
that
the
part
three
just
keep
that
in
mind.
B
A
C
Great,
when
you're
ready
just
take
it
away.
J
We
did
receive
the
the
draft
feaf
part
three,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
go
over
that
for
with
staff,
but
we
have
been
working
on
the
visualizations,
that's
under
the
impact
on
aesthetic
resources
and
we
believe
these
are
substantially
done,
but
we'd
like
you
to
look
at
them
and
confirm
that.
J
So
I
believe
that's
all
that
we
have
today
to
show
we
did
receive
staff
comments
recently
about
what
else
is
needed
for
seeker
review
and
the
reason
that
we
want
to
ask
that
primarily
is
just
so
that
the
two
project
teams,
there's
the
architecture
team
and
the
site
team-
sounds
like
it's
all
on
the
site:
team,
land,
water.
All
of
that-
and
you
have
everything
you
need
from
the
architecture
side.
J
So
that
was
helpful
confirmation
all
right
so
ife
do
you
want
to
pull
those
up
and
we
can
look
at
the
visualizations.
Let's
start
with
the
one
from
across
the
inlet.
J
We
have
a
couple
there's
one
from
the
inlet
and
one
from
third
street
entrance.
I
I
did
so
this
one
is
the
view
across
from
the
inlet.
So
you
see,
some
of
the
trees
has
been
taken
away
and
we
kind
of
open
the
view
in
this
section
to
get
more
like
open
space
and
open
perspective
to
toward
the
internet.
So
people
can
sit
down
the
edge
of
the
water
and
then
you
know
enjoy
their
lunch
or
something.
I
But
then
a
bunch
of
other
existing
trees
are
being
preserved
and
we
will
add
more
trees
to
kind
of
provide
that
natural
feeling
all
together.
J
J
So
do
you
want
to
just
put
your
mouse
around
that
area,
so
the
trail
is
coming
closer
to
the
water's
edge
in
the
in
that
location,
and
there
are
not
many
trees
of
note
in
that
spot,
but
because
that
we
are
preserving
those
on
either
side
of
the
new
we'll
have
to
stabilize
with
some
kind
of
a
wall
like
a
limestone
style
wall
there
and
we're
preserving.
J
H
I
All
right
just
keep
going
to,
we
were
asked
to
provide
some
views
from
third
street,
so
we
actually
have
three
different
views
like
as
you're
approaching
from
third
street.
So
this
one
is
like
where
you
really
just
get
to
the
site,
and
this
is
the
extension
to
the
waterfront
trail
and
then
this
one
is
getting
a
little
closer
and
that
will
be
the
first
turn
and
then
take.
This
turn
will
be
going
to
the
duty
site
and
then
the
last
one
is
at
the
turn
toward
the.
I
I
Right,
so
the
view
is
right
here
by
the
tree
and
then
the
the
last
one
I
showed
you
is
right
here.
So
I'm
sorry
right
here
taken
from
this
spot,
so
you
can
see
the
third
street
and
going
toward
the
d
o
t
site
and
then
the
last
one
is
right
here
where
we
can
see
the
trial
itself.
I
So
this
shot
is
taken
at
the
spot
of
like
crosswalk
to
getting
on
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
bus
stop
location.
I
I
And
I
believe
that's
all
we
have
been
asked
to
do.
We
can
provide
a
few
more
different
perspectives
if
you
prefer,
but
as
far
as
we
know,
this
is
the
views
that
have
been
requested
by
the
planning
board.
C
D
H
D
I
So
the
bus
is
gonna
park
for
the
entire
sidewalk.
I
Yeah
the
bus
will
be
just
here
for
a
minute
or
two.
It
won't
be
there
for
a
really
long
time.
So
I
think
if
the
pedestrian
is
going
to
cross,
they
can
either
wait
or
go
across
like
go
around
it.
J
To
have
both
yeah
we,
we
know
that
it's
not
ideal
to
have
both,
but
we
also
need
to
get
that
bus
out
of
the
drive
lane
for
customers
coming
in,
like
the
main
drive
lane.
I
And
also
when
people
get
off
the
bus,
they
can
directly
walk
on
the
sidewalk
and
without
they
don't
have
to.
You
know
going
through
the
parking
lot
to
get
to
the
city.
C
All
right,
thanks,
garrick.
E
Yeah,
I
would
echo
some
of
the
concerns
about
the
bus
and
the
turning
that
mitch
mentioned,
and
I
mean:
can
you
re-figure
reconfigure?
Maybe
those
spots
along
third
or
like
like?
Is
there
any
way
for
the
bus
to
kind
of
pull
off
like
where
those
spots
are
and
push
those
spots
further
to
the
north
or
whatever
direction
that
is
you'd
lose
the
spots
yeah?
Okay,
all
right!
E
So
there's
not
enough
to
like
move
a
couple
of
the
spots
up
and
then
kind
of
create
like
a
like
an
entry
for
the
bus
there
along
third.
Is
that
what
you
guys
are
saying
like.
E
Like
this,
or
just
maybe
just
like
a
bump
out,
you
know
like
where
the
spots
are
and
like
yeah.
E
A
B
J
We're
we're
talking
about
it
right
now,
so
the
I
think
what
you're
saying
is.
We
should
potentially
explore
where
the
bike
parking
is
shown.
Having
a
bus,
stop
there
off
of
third
street
and
basically
not
in
the
farmers
market
parking
area,
it
would
sort
of
turn
around
and
then
drop
you
off
and
then
you'd
be
at
the
beginning
of
the
walkway.
J
We
will
look
at
how
that
would
affect
congestion,
but
ideally
it
will
be
able
to
get
out
of
the
way
of
people
leaving
the
site
so.
J
C
Might
bring
us
to
the
part
three
which
was
sent
out,
I
think,
via
email,
to
board
members.
Earlier
today
I
looked
at
the
sections
that
we
have
on
deck
to
review
today,
which
would
be
the
land
and
the
water
and
the
open
space
they
all
have
highlights.
C
Those
highlights,
seem,
you
know
relevant
and
worth
filling
in,
but
the
applicant
is
aware
of
those
highlights,
and
I
will
say
I
didn't
see
anything
other
than
the
highlights
that
caused
me
concern,
but
now
would
be
a
chance
for
the
board
to
go
through
that
and
flag
anything
that
that
we
would
want
to
see
more
things
on
or
that
we
would
want
to
have
answers
to
for
the
next
meeting.
J
B
J
Okay,
because
the
building
is
just
going
to
remain
in
schematic
that
these
might
be,
you
know
we'll
we'll
have
schematic
estimates,
but
we
think.
J
Okay
on
other
projects,
we
would
provide
a
you
know,
a
truck
routing
plan
and
everything
for
the
for
the
for
the
building.
But
it's
pretty
far
out
at
this
point.
Okay,
the
swift
narrative
is
in
process
the
swept
and
grading
plans
and
a
couple
other
things
are
waiting
on
when
atl
can
get
out
there
and
do
the
geotechnical
report.
J
A
J
Shoreline
you
need
the
location
species,
okay,
those
are
noted
on
the
yeah,
we'll
just
highlight
those
in
some
form
the
trees
to
be
removed.
A
B
Do
you
mind
if
I
see
something
rob
no.
B
Yeah,
so
I
I
just,
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
still.
I
know
it's
schematic,
but
about
the
shorelines,
what
what
is
being
called
the
shoreline
stabilization,
even
though
it's
not
on
the
shoreline
specifically
and
its
relationship
to
the
trail
and
having
like
blocks
right
up
against
the
trail
with
seating
and
then
a
potential
drop
off
like
the
safety
of
that
for
bikers
in
particular.
B
So
I
still
feel
like
I
need,
I
feel
like
we
need.
You
know.
B
I
don't
know
how
to
resolve
that,
but
the
layout,
where
the
you
know,
everything's
pushed
right
up
back
against
the
trail
and
how
that's
gonna
really
function
so
and
I'm
sure
there
are
answers
we
can.
You
know
we
can
talk
it
through.
You
know,
maybe
it's
during
market
time,
I
don't
know,
but
it
may
even
be
code.
There
may
be
code
issues
with
that.
A
drop
off
right
next
to
the
trail.
J
J
B
All
right,
so
that's
a
that
is
actually
changes
a
lot
to
have
a
railing
between
the
trail
and
the
waterfront.
That's
a
big
change
that
the
board
should
be
aware
of
and
if
it's
desirable
and
if
there's
any
way
to
avoid
it.
J
Yeah
I
mean
that
the
delicate
balance
that
we're
in
is
basically
that
all
of
the
design
really
depends
on
the
building
actually
moving
forward
and
we're
highly
highly
schematic.
Right
now.
We
know
the
layout
basically
of
where
the
trail
would
need
to
be,
but
we're.
J
We've
provided
everything
so
far,
basically
to
the
extent
that
we
are
contracted
to
do
so,
any
additional
details
we'll
just
need
to
talk
to
the
market.
B
So
I
think
we
can
it's
fine
to
be
schematic,
but
if
parts
of
your
design
are
necessitating
something
like
that,
then
that's
a
bigger
issue
for
the
board
like
if
there
can
be
multiple
different
designs
and
multiple
of
you
know,
some
of
them
require
railings
and
some
of
them
don't
that's
fine.
But
if,
if
like
the
way,
you're
designing
the
front
of
that
building,
we
can
be
schematic.
B
F
C
C
H
J
Yeah,
we'll
we'll
provide
as
much
information
as
possible,
but
the
final
design
of
the
railing
is
sure
you
know.
I
think,
though,
that
there
there
might
be
a
way
that
we
can
say
maximizes
transparency,
while
meeting
the
code
or
you
know,
works
with
interpretive
signage
panels
that
you
can
lean
on
or
some
way
of,
because
we
understand
the
point
that
we
would
not
want
to
be
separating
people
from
the
water.
B
B
A
And
kate,
I
have
an
updated
list
of
things
that
the
thief
needs
and
that
is
on
there
so
I'll
send
that
to
you
after
this
okay.
J
B
Exactly
yeah,
yeah
and
again
I
you
know,
the
planning
board
should
not
be
in
the
position
to
make
the
decision
about
this
for
the
entire
community.
It's
a
city-owned
property.
I
mean
it's
going
to
have
to
go
through
other
people
too,
if
that,
if
that
has,
if
that
is
part
of
the
design
which
I
wasn't
really
sure
about
until
today,
you
know
that
I
think
we
need
to
get
input
from
common
council.
J
So
yeah,
I
guess
that's
where
I
just
don't
we're
doing
seeker,
and
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
the
design
of
this
is
affecting
seeker,
but
we're
just
not
under
contract
to
do
any
more
design
than
we've
done
on
the
waterfront.
So
we're
just
gonna
have
to
talk
to
the
market
to
continue
that
design
effort.
This
is
a
grant
funded
project
for
the
parking
lot
for
us
and
the
seeker
for
the
whole
thing,
and
we
did
basically
the
design
to
date
of
the
waterfront
but
further
analysis.
J
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
know
a
little
more
like
exactly
what's
needed,
because
a
final
design
of
the
hopefully
we
will
be
getting
a
grant
very
soon
to
do
this.
Waterfront
design-
and
you
know
this
might
not
be
an
issue
at
all.
But
if
we
don't
get
that
ground,
I
just.
B
Well,
you're
very
welcome
to
pull
the
project
until
you
have
the
money
to
do
what's
needed
for
seeker.
I
mean
this
was
a
decision.
The
farmer's
market
made
that
they
wanted
to
pursue
seeker
for
the
whole
project
and
we're
not
in
charge
of
what
is
an
impact
or
not
that's
just
a
function
of
the
project.
So
if
there
are
things
we
need
more
information
about,
this
seems
like
a
big
one.
That's
not
something
the
board
can
really
say.
Well,
you
don't
have
the
money,
so
you
can't
do
it.
J
We'll
work
it
out
the
the
plan
is
to
stay
the
course
and
do
what
we
can
I'm.
I
guess
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
out
loud
of
how
to
do
that.
While
we're
talking
about
this
live.
J
C
Well
thanks,
everyone
interested
to
see
how
some
of
this
comes
back
in
a
couple
weeks
three
weeks,
however
many
weeks
and
thank
you
very
much.
J
All
right,
if
the
next
agenda
item
is
mystery,
I'll
be
staying
on.
C
H
H
J
We're
go
ahead,
bruce.
K
Yeah,
so
kate
probably
got
some
images
to
show
and
the
reason
I
jumped
in
there
is
because
sarah
has
a
a
hard
stop
here
coming
up
pretty
quickly,
and
I
just
want
her
to
chime
in
on
a
couple
of
things
before
we
get
going
and
we're
here
today
to
talk
about
a
change
to
the
architectural
elements
of
the
asteri
project
that
is
currently
underway.
Construction-Wise.
K
But
sarah
represents
the
conference
center
team
and
as
project
manager
for
that
entity
of
the
project,
and
she
and
the
team
have
been
working
on
the
operations
side
of
the
project.
K
We
made
some
interior
layout
changes
to
the
project
based
on
requests
and
requirements
from
the
operations
team,
which
included
some
additional
storage
area
on
the
second
floor
and
a
little
rearrangement
of
the
retail
space
on
the
corner
for
for
their
requests
and
sarah.
I
just
wanted
you
to
just
say
a
couple
of
words
about
the
folks
that
are
involved
with
that
and
how
we've
arrived
at,
where
we
are
and
then
we
can
get
into
what
the
changes
impact
our
on
the
design
and
architecture.
L
L
We
brought
on
asm
global
to
be
the
operator
for
the
facility,
so
they
are
going
under
contract
and
they
will
manage
the
facility.
The
events
in
the
facility
going
forward
for
at
least
the
next
five
years
is
the
contract.
L
So
we
requested
them
to
do
design,
review
of
bruce
and
vasino's
design
and
give
any
feedback,
and
one
of
the
big
changes
was
we
had
to
add
additional
storage
into
the
facility.
So
we
did
capture
that
square
footage
in
the
corner
and
when
we
did
that,
we
didn't
want
to
do
spandrel,
glass
or
anything
so
bruce
had
the
great
idea
in
feeling
all
of
that
curtain
wall
and
putting
the
panels
back
in
to
create
number
one
create
more
storage
space
for
the
operation
side
of
the
space.
L
A
K
So
yeah
kate,
if
you
I
started
to
jump
in
here,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
little
bit
of
time
with
sarah
on
the
phone
yeah
if
you'd
show
the
plan.
So
this
is
the
second
floor
of
the
facility
that
southwest
corner
of
the
second
floor
was
originally
planned
to
be
some
pre-function
area
and
as
a
result
of
the
kitchen
expand
kitchen
needing
more
room
and
storage
and
all
kinds
of
things.
The
conference
center
team
said
they
simply
could
not
live
without
some
additional
storage.
K
K
What
what
we're
proposing
is
to
go
ahead
and
use
the
typical
exterior
wall
metal
panels
and
if
you'll
note
on
the
original
drawings
I'll
go
back
to
those.
If
you
would.
Okay,
now
we
really
didn't
have
any
signage
proposed.
Yet
this
corner,
which
was
pretty
and
it's
a
prominent
corner,
especially
green
street,
being
the
one-way
street
so
you'll
see
in
these
images,
we're
proposing
to
discuss
and
and
not
finalized
today,
but
discussing
options
for
the
signage
and
we'll
take
some
feedback
from
the
board.
K
If,
if
it's
appropriate,
but
you
can
see
what
I
think
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
simplify
the
the
glazing
and
wall
components,
but
we
want
to
sort
of
articulate
the
signage
a
bit
more
and
use
the
corner
in
a
more
graphic
fashion.
That
way-
and
so
that's
one
change
on
the
second
floor
and
now
on
the
first
floor,
you
can
see
the
stairs
leading
down
to
green
street.
They
originally
were
leading
to
the
west
over
to
city
hall
area,
but
the
folks
at
the
conference
center.
K
If
they're
going
to
operate
this
retail
space
really
wanted
a
direct
connection
to
green
street.
So
we've
offered
that
as
an
option
and
some
you
can
see
some
signage
hanging
below
the
soffit
there
for
that
retail
component.
It's
looking
to
be
some
sort
of
a
market,
convenience
store,
grab-and-go
kind
of
place,
so
that's
sort
of
where
we're
headed,
and
I
think
today
we
just
wanted
to
get
some
feedback
from
the
board
and
answer
any
questions
before
we
go
on
to
the
next
step.
K
Will
we
put
a
door
under
the
patio?
If
you
go
to
the
first
floor
plan
of
that
package,
I
think
there's
a
door
that
shows
leading
off
the
patio
to
the
west.
J
H
C
Okay,
great,
are
we
ready
to
go
around
to
get
reactions
and
questions.
B
E
I
don't
think
so
right
now.
Thank
you,
yeah,
okay,.
A
D
I
guess
my
initial
reaction
is
that
this
is
too
bad
that
it's
an
example
of
function,
driving
urban
form,
function
of
storage
right
on
our
main
street,
which
is
green
street.
So
you've
created
a
lot
more
opacity
to
that
corner,
especially
facing
city
hall,
whereas
before
you
would
see
activity
and
light
and
things
happening
and
people
looking
out
the
interaction
of
people
on
the
street
on
that
really
important
corner
that
you
that
you
mentioned
so
now
we
have
a
lot
more
sort
of
blank
wall,
and
I
you
know
the
sign.
D
I
guess
will
help
that,
and
I
appreciate
the
new
door
out
to
the
patio
and
those
stairs.
It's
a
little
hard
to
see
it's
a
little
small
on
the
screen.
But
what
that
space
will
feel
like
and
look
like,
I
guess,
mitigates
to
some
extent
the
loss
of
the
curtain
wall.
But
I
think
it's
unfortunate.
B
I
just
want
to
say
I
I
really
agree
with
mitch.
It's
very
unfortunate.
This
is
the
most
prominent
corner,
most
visible
corner
of
this
building,
and
I
think
the
proportion
of
your
intervention
is
not
in
scale
with
the
proportion
of
the
change
you
know
I
mean
I
don't
know.
If
there's
other
things
you
can
do
to
create
light
and
interest,
and
on
that
corner
I
mean
I
like
the
sign,
I
think
it's
attractive,
but
it's
not
big
enough
to
deal
with
the
vastness
of
the
expansive.
K
I
think
those
are
all
yeah,
I
think
those
are
I
mean.
I
think
your
comments,
both
lisa
rob.
I
think
those
are
I
mean,
those
are
all
and
mitch.
Those
are
valid
comments
and
sort
of
agree
with
your
statement
of
unfortunate
at
this
point-
and
we
felt
like
that-
this
was
our
first
best
stab
at
what
to
do.
K
We
knew
that
there
were
probably
going
to
be
some
alternative
options
to
consider,
but
we
also
wanted
to
start
pretty
quickly
with
just
getting
some
feedback
so
that,
as
the
building
now
is
starting
to
start
construction,
we
we
need
to
step
pretty
quickly
to
move
to
a
solution,
and
so
I
thought
getting
some
initial
feed
back
here
would
be
great.
We
do
feel
like
they
probably
could
use
a
little
bit
more
tweaking
or
some
sort
of
better
arrangement,
either
of
the
signage
or
the
graphics
or
the
scale
of
what
we're
doing.
K
But
we
did
try
a
dozen
different
ways
to
try
and
get
storage
in
other
portions
of
the
building,
the
the
square
footage
and
the
footprint
and
everything
else
just
really
drove
this
being
the
functional
solution
for
what's
necessary
and
the
conference
center
team.
If
sarah's
still
on
you
know,
they
were
pretty
adamant
that
this
simply
does
not
work
without
this
space.
J
J
B
I
know
I'm
sure
you've
looked
at
everything,
but
could
you
break
up
the
storage
in
different
areas?
I
mean
this
was
going
to
be
where
you
would
see
people
in
there
and
there
would
be
light
and
activity
and
it
would
lighten
up
that
whole
heavy.
Now
the
building
just
feels
so
heavy
and
I
appreciate
the
door,
but
I'm
sure
there
was
always
a
door
out
to
that
patio.
It
was
a
cafe
before
you
know.
That
was
what
you
presented
that
so.
A
K
So
there
was
a
there
was
a
door
that
entered
into
a
vestibule
that
then
entered
into
that
space.
There
was
previously
not
a
door
directly
to
the
patio,
so
yes,
something
we
did
add,
but
yeah.
I
hear
what
you're
saying
so
I
think
I
mean
today
that
the
goal
was
that
prc
was
to
get
some
initial
feedback,
and
I
think
that
was
our
our
marching
orders
just
to
take
a
continue
to
try
and
find
a
way
to
make
this
work
for
everybody.
So.
C
H
K
It
was
storage,
but
it
was
also
so
if
you,
if
you
zoom
up
or
move
up
on
the
plan,
so
we
can
see
the
north
end
of
the
building.
We
originally
sort
of
have
that
north
end
of
the
building
over
the
loading
dock
area.
K
As
some
storage
space
and
what's
happened,
is
the
kitchen
component,
the
kitchen
design,
the
equipment
necessary
to
serve
the
ballroom
really
pushed
further
into
that
area
and
drove
the
need
to
move
some
of
that
storage
or
relocate
it,
and
it
needs
to
be
on
the
same
level
as
the
as
this
area
so
that
it
can
function
properly.
It
can't
be
on
another
level,
and
you
can
see,
I
mean
the
ballroom
is
pretty
well
maxing
out
the
pre-function
area
on
the
south.
Is
you
know,
there's
not
much
room
left
in
there.
K
On
the
east
side
I
mean
we've
got
some
stairs
and
some
bathrooms,
and
there's
just
I
mean
this
building
and
the
footprint
and
everything
that
was
necessary,
pushed
every
inch.
K
They
could
in
each
direction
to
try
and
get
as
much
as
we
could
and
like
I
said,
I
think
we
pushed
back
a
couple
of
times
to
the
conference
center
management
company
asm
global,
but
they
do
this
all
over
the
world
and
basically
are
the
experts
in
this
world
and
they're
going
to
operate
for
five
years
and
their
compensation
is
based
on
the
fact
that
it
needs
to
operate,
and
so
they
were
pretty
adamant
that
this
space
was
necessary.
E
K
Well,
I
mean,
I
suppose
we
could
leave
the
windows,
but
when
you
and
when
you
they'll
either
be
in
one
of
two
ways,
you'll
see
through
them
and
see
a
bunch
of
racks
and
and
and
storage
elements
which
really
aren't
showing
on
this
plan
or
we
can
make
them
make
make
leave
the
windows
and
leave
them
opaque,
which
gives
them
a
different
feel
altogether
make
them
as
fandral
glass
or
some
sort
of
you
know,
non-uh
see-through
glass,
so
I
mean
that's
an
option
we
could
consider,
but
we
then
also
started
talking
about
the
sign
and
the
signage
that
is
being
requested
and
sort
of
desired
and
layering.
K
So
if
you
look
at
the
old
play
in
there,
kate
or
the
old
rendering
I
mean
we
start
trying
to
put
some
signage
on
that,
and
it
comp
further
complicates
that
those
two
elevations
and
so
our
goal
here-
was
to
try
and-
and
I
and
I
don't
disagree-
that
the
south
facade
probably
has
some
additional
work.
K
That
needs
to
be
done,
but
I
kind
of
like
how
the
design
has
sort
of
taken
the
space
of
that
of
that
glass
visually
and
and
given
us
a
prominence
and
that
sign
would
be
backlit
and
be
able
to
be
multi-color.
Changing
lights
and
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
indicate
holiday
seasons
and
whatnot.
But
back
to
the
original
question
you
have
the
space
we
tried
every
which
way
but
loose
so
to
speak
and
try
to
find
every
other
nook
and
cranny
to
do
what
they
were.
Asking.
K
B
Well,
this
is
a
little
bit,
I
mean
we're
still
talking
about
the
storage
and
if
the
storage
can
be
moved
and
how
that
would
work.
But
again,
I
think
you
know
the
the
difference
between
having
people
out
there
and
gathering
activity
and
a
storage
space
on
that
is
huge,
has
a
huge
impact,
the
building,
but
I'm
thinking
about
the
ithacan
and
how
they
had.
There
was
a
large
expensive
wall
and
they
had
it.
B
B
I
mean
look
at
other
storage
areas,
but
a
big
wall,
fake
glass
that
you
can't
see
through
and
maybe
transparency
that
you
could
create
something
of
interest
and
visual,
and
you
know
behind
there
and
reduce
the
size
of
storage,
but
it
is
a
there's
so
much
blank
wall
we've
dealt
with
that
so
much
during
site
plan
review
how
to
enliven
it.
It's
just
a
shame
to
have
it
on
this
corner.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
think
the
board
would
have
voted
to
approve
the
project
in
this
sort
of
post-change
view
that
we're
seeing
today,
like
I
just
I
just
don't
think
it
would
have
made
it
through
I
mean,
and
so
I'm
I
would
be
very
reluctant
to
vote
for
this
change
as
it
currently
exists.
C
I
think
the
sentiment
I'm
hearing
is
that
you
got
to
find
out
a
way
to
move
the
storage
you're,
of
course,
saying
that's
impossible,
and
I
hear
that
but
yeah
the
the
current
sort
of
vision
for
this
change
that
I'm
seeing
even
polished
up
and
made
better
and
made
more
in
scale.
I
don't
see
as
a
winner.
C
I
don't
see
that
that
winning
a
vote
and
I
think
if
any
member
of
the
board
disagrees
with
that
sort
of
early
assessment
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
jump
in,
but
that's
certainly
the
sentiment
I'm
getting.
I
agree.
K
Yeah,
let
let
us
take
this
feedback
and
come
back
yeah.
K
C
A
B
Right,
that's
all
for
our
agenda
today,
all
right.
D
Did
we
get
a
just
thinking
about
the
glass
of
that
bone?
Do
we
get
a
glass
sample
of
the
transparency
of
that
class.
D
B
Right
right,
I
think
we
did,
I
think
it's
sitting
in
my.
I
think
it's
yeah,
but
I'll
check.
H
D
A
A
B
And
this
is
a
sketch
plan
for
a
new
project
on
valentine's
place,
so
that's
within
college
town,
terrace
development.
They
were
able
to
acquire
one
more
property
and
they
we
had
a
fairly
light
agenda.
It's
a
some.
You
know
it's
a
substantial
building,
so
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
come
for
a
sketch
plan
for
that.