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B
Great,
so
this
is
our
september.
What
10th
september
10th
meeting
of
the
project
review
committee,
the
planning
and
development
board
lisa.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the.
C
A
A
So
I
had
to
I
had
to
let
you
know
what
happened.
I'm
sorry,
we
didn't
have
internet
this
morning
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
regroup,
and
here
we
are
at
the
project
review
committee.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
A
Is
off
you
guys
are
ready,
we
can
go
there
are
there
was
a
change
to
the
agenda
yesterday,
which
was
that
we
took
off
the
215
east
state
street
project
jeffrey
ridlen's
project,
because
they
didn't
get
their
variance.
It
was
tabled
at
the
bza
meeting,
and
so
they
didn't
really
have
anything
to
talk
about.
Today
they
may
come
back
on
at
planning
board,
so
the
times
have
been
shifted.
We
get
out
a
little
bit
earlier
and
that's
great.
E
E
F
C
B
Yeah
all
right!
Well,
if
you
would
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
talking
about
today,
craig.
F
H
The
houses
are
not
defined,
we're
not
intending
necessarily
to
you
know,
be
building
the
houses
or
anything
like
that.
He
just
wants
to.
The
client
wants
to
separate
him
off
as
eight
separate
building
lots,
either
to
be
sold
independently
or
or
to
a
developer.
We
don't
know
that
the
future
is
sort
of
up
to
be
determined,
and
so
we've
developed
the
layout
that
we've
run
by
zoning
as
far
as.
H
Lots
that
are
buildable
for
a
sort
of
a
typical
size,
two
bedroom
or
three
bedroom
houses.
So
we
have
enough
space
on
each
lot.
For
those
we've
also
developed
the
road
as
far
as
fire
access.
We
run
it
by
tom
parsons
as
far
as
getting
his
approval
for
the.
H
And
stuff
like
that
for
the
road,
otherwise
we're
trying
to
besides
the
buildable
areas,
we're
trying
to
maintain
the
rest
of
as
much
as
we
can
of
the
existing
sort
of
tree
buffer
for
neighbors,
but
also
natural
habitat
and
there's
sort
of
a
wetter
area
on
that
side
of
the
property
anyway.
So
we're
trying
to
steer
away
from
that.
F
F
I
should
say
more
concern
about
coming
off
of
campbell
ave
and
switching
kind
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
from
what's
there
now
as
more
two
and
three
bedroom
homes
that
are,
you
know,
ranch
style,
houses
and
so
forth
that
you
know
coming
off
of
campbell
ave
they've
just
felt
like
we
should
do
something,
that's
more
in
character
with
that.
F
F
As
a
result
of
that,
this
road
is
pretty
significant
in
terms
of
disturbance
to
trees
and
so
forth.
So
in
any
case,
we're
still
trying
to
consolidate
that
disturbance
to
the
middle
of
the
site,
but
it's
it
just.
It
just
changes
the
the
character
and
nature
of
this
development
from
what
we
originally
were
proposing
as
a
smaller
cottage
development.
F
To
more
of
a,
I
would
say,
more
conventional
two
three-bedroom
homes
with
attached
garages
and,
as
craig
said,
that's
all
that
all
remains
to
be
seen
like
we
haven't
designed
those
homes
and
we
don't
necessarily
intend
to
design
those
homes
until
the
lots
are
kind
of
sold
off
more
piecemeal.
B
All
right
does
that
take
it.
Does
that
do
it
for
the
presentation.
F
I
think
so,
oh
and
then
we
updated
I'll,
just
show
the
section
which
we
had
submitted
well
in
some
images.
So
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
this
is
what
we're
talking
about.
I
think
it's
a
little
deceiving
too
from
the
survey
because
it
shows
a
lot
of
trees
that
maybe
appear
larger
than
they
are.
There
are
some
good
sized
trees
throughout
the
site,
but
most
of
it
is
kind
of
smaller
scrubby
black
walnuts.
F
You
know
that
are
there
and
they're
they're
nice,
it's
certainly
a
lovely
spot,
but
I
don't
think
the
the
cutting
of
the
middle
of
the
site
is
as
devastating
as
it
might
appear
on
the
survey,
and
then
we
added
these
buildings
or
these
site
sections.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
topography.
You
know
there
is
a
pretty
steep
slope,
obviously,
and
that's
one
of
the
issues
with
this
fire
truck
access,
but
it
feels
very
buildable.
You
know
these
are
kind
of
walk
out,
basement
kind
of
homes.
F
You
know
one
one
and
a
half
stories
or
two
stories
above
a
basement
kind
of
thing,
so
this
just
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
the
site
section
all
of
the
larger
trees
on
the
perimeter.
Those
are
all
existing.
F
Everything
that's
shown
as
a
smaller
tree
is
a
proposed
would
be
something
planted
as
as
each
lot
is
built
out.
So
there
are
even
a
few
larger
trees
kind
of
in
the
middle
that
we're
aiming
to
keep
as
much.
C
F
H
The
major
information
that's
missing
is
is
the
civil
drawings,
essentially
the
swift
and
the
civil,
and
I
should
have
those
early
next
week,
which
obviously
is
short
notice
for
the
planning
board
meeting.
But
I
want
to
get
those
out
to
people,
partly
so
that
the
city
staff
can
start
reviewing
them
as
far
as
swift
and
other
other
aspects,
engineering,
department,
utilities,
yeah
and
utilities.
B
Yeah,
given
that
the
only
action
we're
looking
at
for
the
meeting
is
the
clear
lead
agency,
I
certainly
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
don't
don't
see
a
problem
with
that.
Rather
I
will
say
that
this
is
less
exciting
than
the
tiny
timber
project
was,
although
I
don't
necessarily
have
any
problem
with
the
direction
you're
going
and
and
don't
necessarily
see
any
reasons
that
there
should
be
an
issue
here.
Is
there
anything
you're
worried
about
or
anything
on,
your
radar
that
could
come
up
during
the
approvals
process
that
we
should
talk
about
today.
F
Well,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
we've
kind
of
mentioned-
and
I
I
don't
remember
who
who
said
this
when
we
did
a
sketch
plan
before
maybe
it
was
mitch
or
jack,
just
some
concerns
about
the
architecture
and
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
we
would
love
to
design
these
homes
and
take
them
all
the
way.
F
You
know
through
this
as
part
of
this
subdivision
process,
but
it's
just
not
a
real
practical
thing
for
us
at
this
point,
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
to
kind
of
get
the
get
the
swift
taken
care
of
get
the
subdivision
get
the
lines
on
paper
figured
out,
and
then
we
can
come
back
and
whether
we're
working
with
individual
home
buyers
or
working
with
the
the
current
owner
to
develop
home
plans.
We
we're
excited
to
do
that.
F
We
want
to
do
that,
but
beyond
what
you
see
here,
it's
really
just
not
in
the
cards
to
kind
of
fully
design
these
homes.
At
this
point,
fair
enough.
B
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
go
around
the
room
and
sort
of
see
how
people
feel
about
what
we've
seen
so
far
emily.
Could
I
start
with
you.
I
Sure
yeah,
I
was
more
excited
about
the
other
ones
too,
but
you
know
getting
more
housing
stock
for
a
different
type
of
homeowner
seemed
exciting.
Maybe
someone
who
may
not
be
driving
may
be
more
likely
to
bike,
but
but
I
agree,
I
think
this
is
a
fine
direction.
It's
nice
to
keep
a
buffer
of
trees
around
the
outside.
You
know
in
terms
of
neighbors.
I
Does
that
access
change
or
is
the
access
the
same?
I'm
looking
at
google
maps,
so
it's
an
extension
of
the
old
campbell
ave,
yes
and
then
there's
no
direct
access
down
to.
C
K
F
Yeah,
so
that's
a
good
question,
so
we
looked
into
that
further.
There
was
talk
about
it.
There's
been
kind
of
a
long-standing
neighborhood
planning
initiative.
I
think
to
create
a
a
water
connection.
I
believe
it
is
that
could
be
an
easement
for
a
trail
that
connects
through
you
know:
west
hill,
it
we,
we
weren't,
really
clear
exactly
where
that
was,
but
it
turns
out
it's
actually
the
next
street
up.
F
It's
taylor
place
that
has
that
sort
of
planned
connection
through
it's,
not
campbell
ave,
not
that
campbell
couldn't
also
connect
through,
but
it
it's
not
the
place
that
like
when
talking
with
cynthia
who's,
a
real
advocate.
For
that
trail
connection,
it's
actually
further
up
the
hill,
so
this
doesn't
preclude
anything
like
that
from
happening
in
the
future,
because
it's
actually
not
this
parcel.
It's
the
next
parcel
up.
B
Okay,
I
think,
unless
lisa
has
anything
we
probably
have
covered
this
for
today.
Lisa
hear
me:
youtube.
A
A
B
A
C
F
E
A
L
C
B
All
right
folks
looks
like
we
maybe
are
all
here.
If
you
would
please
take
it
away
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
we
are
looking
at.
L
Well,
we
don't
have
any
additional
information.
We
have
a
few
pieces
of
additional
information
from
the
last
time
that
we
met
just
a
response
to
some
of
the
questions
that
were
brought
up
the
last
time.
K
B
Would
you
want
to
run
through
that
just
quickly
just
to
see
where
we
stand.
L
Sure
let
me
share
my
screen.
L
Well,
I
think,
the
last
time
we
kind
of
we
quickly
ran
through
some
of
the
drawings
and
and
then
after
the
meeting,
the
designer
did
some
rendered
drawings,
which
I'll
just
flip
through,
because
I'm
not
sure
if
you
saw
these
or
not
so
this,
of
course,
would
be.
The
final
proposed
general
plan
for
the
bridge
with
the
sidewalks
shown
and
the
railings
elevated
crosswalk.
L
There
were
some
questions,
let's
see
here,
you
know,
and
you
can
see
where
we're
putting
up
the
means
restriction.
You
can
see
the
extents
of
that
this
that
you
see
on
the
north
side
of
the
bridge
is
the
dam
structure,
the
former
dam
structure,
which
we're
going
to
use
for
our
temporary
pedestrian
path,
which
I
think
we
went
over
that
the
last
time,
here's
a
cross-section
of
the
bridge,
so
you
can
see
you
know
some
of
these
more
some
of
these
elements
that
maybe
there
were
questions
on
the
last
time.
L
L
So
it's
a
new
york
state,
d.o.t
detail,
let's
see
here,
I
guess
we
can
see
the
means
restriction
down
below.
L
L
Yeah
and
then
you
can
see
here's
our
cross-section
of
the
bridge,
so
we've
got
our.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
can
see
this
okay
or
not.
I
can.
L
See
so
you
know
you
got
your,
you
got
your
standard
dot
railing
we're
using
the
four
rail
similar
I
think,
to
what
was
put
down
on
the
brindley
bridge
or
brinley
street
bridge.
I
think
that's
a
four
rail
we've
got
our
whatever.
They
are
sidewalks
almost
five
and
a
half
foot
sidewalk,
and
then
we've
got
our
traditional
granite,
curb
on
either
side,
and
then
you
can
see
underneath
here
we're
just
just
showing
all
of
the
existing
utilities
which,
as
I
mentioned
the
last
time,
we're
undergoing
some
repairs.
L
L
So
just
a
little
bit
more
further
explanation
about
the
lighting
we're
putting
in
a
couple
of
new
lighting
light
poles-
and
you
can
see
this
is
a
standard.
You
know
with
the
arietta
lumineer
on
it
and
what
else
about
the
lighting
not
really
much?
We've
got
a
lighting
study
which
I
think
was
included
in
the
package
and
then
we're
back
to
the
railing,
so
yeah
just
showing
a
little
bit
more
detail.
This
is
another
project,
I'm
not
sure
where,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
similar
railing
similar
look.
L
B
I
appreciate
you
walking
us
through
that
before
I
get
into
board
reactions
lisa.
Could
I
check
in
with
you?
I
know
the
action
we're
looking
at
is
a
secret
determination
on
this.
Is
there
any
information
that
is
outstanding,
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
ask
the
applicant
for
before
we
make
that
and
you're
muted.
A
B
Great
emily,
I'm
going
to
start
with
you
again,
if
that's
all
right
any
reactions
to
what
we've
seen
today
or
the
rest
of
the
material.
I
No,
I
think
thank
you
for
the
additional
information
on
the
railings
and
the
lighting.
I
think
that
all
looks
great.
I
suppose
I
have
a
question
about
the
crosswalk
off
of
the
the
point.
Does
that
make
sense?
I
don't
know
if
you
could
go
back
to
a
site
plan.
I
C
L
It
it's
it's
going
to
be
similar
to
what
it
was.
What
it
is
now,
I
believe
you
mean
at
this
angle
is
your
concern
right.
L
Yeah
yeah,
and
I
think
that
that
is
just
again
the
geometry
of
of
everything
over
here.
I
M
Okay,
so
this
is
leslie,
it's
very
similar
to
the
current
situation
and
there's
some
of
the
challenges
here
are
making
sure
that
the
you
can
see
the
manholes
that
are
there
that
are
pretty
active
and
you'll
note
that
they
get
a
lot
of
work
on
them
that
are
also
near
that
crosswalk,
as
well
as
making
sure
that,
from
an
ada
perspective
that
we
can
keep
the
slopes
appropriate
to
to
make
the
grades
for
the
connection
points.
This
is
our
far
lesser
used.
Crosswalk.
The
primary
crosswalk
really
does
tie
into
that
grand
stair.
M
If
you
will
we,
we
keep
this
as
an
option,
but
the
far
side
of
the
sidewalk
is
rarely
used.
It
will
be
used
for
the
construction
portion
when
we
cross
people
there
and
the
alignment
will
be
a
little
bit
different.
Then,
however,
with
the
flashing
light
and
the
higher
level
of
traffic,
most
people
that
come
down
here
are
in
the
know
and
choose
the
other
crosswalk
or
they're
really
going
into
campus,
and
so
they
don't
cross
the
street
for
locks
and
blocks.
J
This
all
looks
good
to
me.
You
have
the
temporary
bridge.
Is
that
why
you
have
to
take
the
trees
out
there
on
the
edge.
L
Yeah
yeah
we're
working
with
david
cutter
and
todd
bittner
on
on
our
planting
plans.
B
All
right,
well,
that
might
be
it
for
board,
comment
and
reaction
to
this
today
it
sounds
like
we
have
what
we
need
for
our
secret
determination
in
a
couple
weeks,
so
hopefully
things
will
be
smooth
and
easy.
Any
concerns
on
the
on
the
applicant's
part
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
talk
about
today
before
we
go
our
separate
ways.
M
B
A
I
mean
they
certainly
have
given
you
enough
information.
If
you
feel
comfortable
to
do
preliminary,
we
do
have
to
do
the
gml
the
we
have
to
circulate
for
county
comments.
So
can't
do
final,
but
if
you
feel
comfortable
doing
preliminary,
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
you
couldn't.
B
Maybe
we
can
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
a
tentative.
You
know
consideration
of
preliminary
approval
and
if
things
go
smoothly
during
the
meeting,
I
don't
necessarily
have
an
objection
to
that.
So
we'll
see
what
we
can
do.
C
C
M
B
I
think
we
hear
you
fine,
the
three
of
you,
the
crew.
O
The
last
time
we
met,
I
think
it
was
end
of
june
sorry,
end
of
july,
and
the
project
received
a
negative
declaration.
So
we
completed
the
seeker
process.
O
Since
then,
we've
you
know
reached
out
to
multiple
manufacturers
to
get
samples
and
and
mock-ups
installed.
But
what
we're
learning
is
that
the
time
it
takes
to
install
these
mock-ups
is
a
lot
more
than
what
we
had.
We
rushed
it
and
tried
to
install
it
in
six
weeks
time
frame
and
failed.
Unfortunately,
the
mock-ups
really
did
not
meet
the
design
intent
there
were.
O
There
were
multiple
errors
in
the
in
the
product
that
was
submitted
so
we're
talking
to
the
manufacturers
again
to
see
if
we
can
get
the
right
right
materials
we
we
don't
want
to
rush
it
again
and
be
in
the
same
place,
but
what
we're
hearing
from
them
is
that
it
could
be
anywhere
from
eight
to
ten
weeks
of
lead
time
because
you
have,
they
have
to
go
through
it
just
like
they
would
go
through
any
construction
project,
submit
drawings,
approve
it
and
then
install
it
so,
but
the
little
bit
of
mock-up
work
that
was
done.
O
So
that
that's
where
we
are
at
the
moment.
I
there
was
a
third
item
as
well,
which
had
to
do
with
trenching,
and
I
think
tg
miller
already
sent
you
information
lisa
about
that.
So
I
don't
think
that's
an
open
item.
B
Okay,
we'll
go
around
the
room,
we'll
talk
about
that
here
in
a
second
I'm
sorry,
your
markup
mock-up
exercise
failed.
C
O
B
Yeah,
well
things
I'm
sure
you
could
have
done
without
learning
lisa,
I'm
gonna
check
in
with
you
before
we
go
around
the
room.
Obviously,
the
windows
are
a
big
part
of
what
we've
looked
at
on
this
project
and
we're
going
to
approve
potentially
this
project
without
ever
seeing
the
windows
that
we're
approving
is
that?
Okay,
I
mean
to
what
extent
is
that
is
that
something
that's
reasonable
and
to
what
extent
is
that
something
we
can?
We
can
carve
around
with
conditions,
or
is
it
even
appropriate
to
make
conditions
around
that.
A
Well,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
you,
you
have
the
jurisdiction
to
do.
I
mean
you've
received
them.
You've
received
a
lot
of
information
about
the
windows
and
their.
You
know
the
the
types
of
considerations
that
are
going
into
the
selection
and
the
types
of
products
that
are
available
and
obviously
just
remind
everybody.
The
reason
that
this
is
such
a
big
topic
is
because
of
the
historic
nature
of
the
building.
A
It's
not
historically
designated,
it's
not
an
historic
district,
but
it
is
a
historic
building
of
some
significance
and
the
windows
are
a
part
of
the
aesthetic
of
that
or
the
character
of
that.
So
you
know,
I
think
you
you
have
you.
Certainly,
if
you're
comfortable,
you
certainly
have
the
the
ability
to
with
the
information
that
you
know
and
that
we
maybe
could
go
through
it
again.
I
mean
I
remember
a
presentation
where
you
showed
what
the
width
of
the
mullions
or
the
muntins
would
be,
and
I
don't
know
all
the
terms.
A
Sorry
and
you
know
what
the
how
it
looked.
We
could
go
over
that
again
in
the
absence
of
an
actual
selection,
you're
choosing
within
a
range.
C
A
B
Sure,
thanks
for
that,
that's
helpful
in
terms
of
how
we're
thinking
about
this
and
then
mitch,
I
would
start
with
you
in
terms
of
your
reaction
as
to
what
we
we've
got
today.
Yeah.
J
Yeah,
I
I
I'm
kind
of
torn
by
this
one.
You
know
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
with
the
world,
as
it
is
probably
not
a
big
deal
to
go
ahead
and
approve.
You
know
and
trust,
this
very
trustworthy
team
to
make
the
right
decisions
you
know,
but
on
the
other
hand,
it
is
kind
of
weird
to
approve
something
that
we
don't
really
see
it
and
to
make
sure
that
it's
appropriate
and
I
I'm
not
a
historic
preservation.
J
I
Can
you
tell
us
which
way
you're
leaning,
because
I
remember
aluminum-
had
the
smaller
sight
lines?
If
I
remember
correctly,.
C
I
Sure
I'm
looking
at
the
report
on
windows,
the
comparison,
let's
see
dated
june
21st,
I
scrolled
down,
and
I
was
looking
at
the
sight
line-
measurements,
the
still
height
depth,
mutton
width,
button
type
between
existing
aluminum
and
steel,
yeah.
O
O
I
see
so
we
have
reached
out
to
four
window
manufacturers.
All
four
of
them
are
for
aluminum
windows.
Okay,
we
don't
intend
to
install
a
steel
window,
because
steel
windows
have
a
fairly
small
sight
line.
C
P
O
But
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
manufacturers
didn't
meet
the
design
intent
the
first
time
around
so
they're,
going
back
to
look
at
how
they
can
customize
the
profile,
but
we're
still
trying
to
confirm
that
the
manufacturers
can
meet
the
design
intent.
So
the
ultimate
decision
here
will
come
out
in
the
bid.
G
O
I
Well,
I'm
glad
that
the
aluminum
windows
are
the
ones
that
I'm
glad
steel
is
out.
I
think
to
help
the
board.
Could
you
could
you
bring
information
from
the
four
aluminum
manufacturers
for
next
time,
but
for
the
meeting-
and
you
know-
I
think
the
sightline
comparison
was
really
helpful.
You
know
if
we
had
some
information
of
the
four
side
by
side
with
a
drawing
or
some
photos.
You
know
I.
I
know
that
they're
they're
still
working
on
the
profiles,
but
so.
O
I
O
O
A
Yeah,
so
I'm
thinking
I
mean,
are
you?
Do
you
want
to
start
this
renovation
before
you've
made
a
windows
selection
or
do
you
is
that
going
to
be
the
whole
bid
package
is
going
to
include
that?
Because
I
mean
I
could
see
that
being
something
that
could
be
a
condition
that
comes
back
to
the
board
when
you've
made
yours
when,
when
you've
made
your
selection
or
when
you're
down
to
two-
and
you
know
for
the
board,
I
mean
we
already
know
that
you're
not
going
to
do
steel
windows,
which
is
what
historic
ithaca
asked
for.
A
We
haven't
gotten
their
feedback.
I
don't
think,
or
maybe
we
did
about
aluminum
windows
at
my
recollection-
is
that
they
just
thought
that
steel
was
the
choice
so
you're.
We
already
know
that
they're
not
doing
what,
but
but
we
could
get
their
input
on
of
the
other
selections
for
windows,
so
I
could
see
a
situation
in
which
the
board
could
approve
it
conditioned
on
the
windows.
Coming
back,
if
that's
helpful
to
the
applicant
to
get
started
on
the
project.
C
O
Every
contractor
is
going
to
include
a
certain
manufacturer
in
their
bid,
so
I
don't
think
we're
we're
not
writing
a
prescript,
a
proprietary
spec
to
say:
go
with
this
window
manufacturer.
That's
not
the
intent
of
the
mock-up.
The
mock-up
is
to
confirm
that
we
can
that
we
would
be
happy
with
any
of
these
three
or
four
options,
regardless
of
you
know
who
ends
up
on
the
building,
so
we
have
a
chance
to
see
it
in
the
mock-up
stage.
So
that's
why
we
want
to
get
it
right
and
have
the
have.
B
So
I
think
you
have
to
walk
through
basically
exactly
that
to
the
full
board
and
we
just
need
to
find
out
if
the
board's
comfortable
with
that.
B
B
You
are,
you
know,
ratifying
a
range
of
options
from
which
people
can
can
deal
and
yeah.
I
think
we
just
have
to
find
out
if
the
board's
comfortable
with
that-
and
I
I
could
imagine
that
going
either
way.
I
actually
don't
have
a
sense
on
this
particular
one,
so
I
mean
I
think
we
just
have
to
have
the
meeting
and
see
how
people
feel
and
if
it
goes
sideways,
maybe
we'll
we'll
try
to
figure
out
how
to
get
around
it,
with
some
sort
of
condition
that
you
know
respects
your.
Your
process
needs.
C
B
O
Q
C
C
B
So,
while
we're
waiting
for
the
the
last
team
member,
I
wonder
if
we
couldn't
go
ahead
and
get
started.
The
items
on
the
agenda
for
you
in
a
couple
weeks
are
a
public
hearing
and
a
review
of
the
part.
Two
environmental
statement.
B
E
C
K
So,
while
we're
waiting
for
eric
to
join,
I
guess
the
question
for
the
board
and
those
members
who
are
here
is
what's
the
best
way
for
us
to
get
through
the
design
review.
In
terms
of
a
presentation,
we
don't
have
a
formal
presentation
for
you
today
we
did
fill
out
the
application,
which
of
course
has
about
four
and
a
half
pages
of
questions
that
we
answered.
Is
it
useful
for
us
to
go
through
that
list
item
by
item,
or
rather
than
that?
Would
you
just
prefer
to
look
at
like
the
material
sheets
and
the
elevations.
B
So
going
through
the
the
list
item
by
item
can
get
tedious.
I
think,
having
you
know
the
materials
prepared,
so
you
can
do
that.
If
you
need
to
is
helpful,
you
know,
especially
if
board
members
have
questions
on
an
individual
item
which
will
you
know,
someone
almost
certainly
will,
but
I
think
approaching
it
in
terms
of
drawings,
for
us
to
look
at
and
what
items
they
address
is
usually
a
little
easier.
So
you
know
pick
a
facade.
You
walk
us
through
how
that
facade
meets.
B
You
know
multiple
important
items
on
the
list
and
then
you
take
us
to
the
next
facade,
which
you
know,
I
think
has
been
a
little
more
successful
than
the
alternative
in
the
past
and
if,
if
anybody
on
the
board
or
staff
has
has
opinions
on
how
they'd
like
to
see
this,
I
mean,
I
think,
just
jump
in,
but
I
think
that's
been
more
successful
than
most
other
other
strategies.
B
G
I
Something
else
that's
been
really
helpful.
Are
you
know,
especially
because
this
building
touches
multiple
streets?
Are
views
from
the
streets
from
different
vantage
points
3d,
even
if
it's
very
sketchy
just
3d
examples
of
how
the
building
fits
in
the
site?
I
remember
seeing
kind
of
a
longer
street
elevation
right
that
went
up
to
state
street
diner,
so
that
kind
of
thing
to
just
not
your
building
isolated
but
within
the
greater
context,
is
always
really
helpful.
B
And
then
this
is
a
project
in
which
I
can
imagine
design
review,
taking
up
most
or
all
of
the
time,
so
it's
possible
that
at
the
end
we're
just
gonna
pull
out
the
part
three
find
all
the
parts
that
are
highlighted,
yellow
and
therefore
still
missing,
information
and
just
make
sure
you're
aware
and
move
on.
Maybe
we'll
do
an
in-depth
read
of
the
part
three,
but
I
don't
actually
know
it'll
depend
on
where
we're
at.
A
Okay,
do
you
think
you
could
provide
visualizations?
I
know
you've
provided
some
for
design
review.
You
know,
like
3d
view
view
study
from
yeah.
K
Yeah
sure
I
mean
we
can
of
course
go
through
the
stuff
that
we've
seen
before
and
if
we
need
to
add
additional
views,
we
can
certainly
do
that
as
well.
So
we'll
just
make
sure
we
have
a
comprehensive
set
of
renderings,
we'll
pick
a
few
that
we
feel
highlight.
Building
features
that
relate
to
design
review,
but
we'll
have
the
full
package
for
if
other
people
want
to
see
other
views.
Okay,
great.
B
So
that
to
me
gets
through
most
of
the
concerns.
Is
there
anything
on
the
applicant's
radar
that
you
want
to
make
sure
we
talk
about
today,
just
to
lay
the
groundwork
for
a
couple
weeks.
K
I
don't
think
that
there's
anything
in
particular.
Obviously
lisa
had
mentioned
that
there
are
a
few
holes
in
the
thief
part
three.
Currently,
that
will
work
with
her
to
kind
of
get
wrapped
up
before
it
gets
submitted
to
the
board
for
review
at
the
end
of
the
month,
but
other
than
that
we'll
put
together
a
presentation
that
hopefully
won't
take
that
long.
It
will
take
less
time
than
going
item
by
item.
C
A
I
think
everybody
might
be
interested
too,
if
there's
any
additional
information
about
your
ability
to
keep
that
facade
or
to
have
to
remove
it,
especially
since
this
is
designer
views.
It's
such
an
important
feature
of
the
building,
so
if
that
has
fight,
if
that
issue
has
progressed
at
all,
that
would
be
really
yeah.
K
I
I
would
just
tell
everyone
here
that,
as
we
said
at
the
last
meeting,
our
expectation
is
to
keep
it
so
in
the
renderings
that
you
see,
you
will
see
us
retaining
the
existing
facade,
as
that
is
our
design,
intent.
B
Great
mitch,
I'm
gonna
check
in
with
you
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
project.
For
today,.
J
Just
in
the
design
review
maybe
pick
up
on
the
comment
you
made
rob
last
time
about
the
unit
mix.
You
know,
let's
not
just
look
at
elevations
but
also
you
know,
walk
us
through.
Why
you're
proposing
the
unit
mix
that
you're
proposing
and
what
the
balances
and
trade-offs
are.
B
Thank
you
very
much
so
yeah.
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
interesting
design
review
and
I
mean
that
in
a
good
way,
not
in
an
awful
meeting
way.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
compelling
building
and
I
think
people
are
fairly
excited
about
it,
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
all
goes
well.
I
think
there's
a
real
possibility
that
you're
gonna
end
design
review
with
a
quest
request
for
a
bunch
of
additional
views.
B
I
don't
know
what
those
are
yet
and
maybe
maybe
you
won't
get
them,
but
I
could
totally
imagine
that
that
happening.
You
know
towards
the
end
of
that
meeting
and
then,
like
I
said
I
do,
I
don't
actually
know
that
we're
going
to
get
that
far
into
part
three.
I
have
a
feeling
that
if
design
review
goes
long,
which
it
easily
could
we'll
just
highlight
areas
where
information
is
needed
and
try
to
pick
that
up
in
the
following
months,
lisa
is
there
anything
we
should
go
over
before
we
wrap
it
up
for
today,.
A
B
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
you
guys
getting
on
the
call
with
us
today
and
we'll
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks.
B
K
E
N
I
sent
it
at
about
nine
o'clock
this
morning,
but
he
might
have
been
doing
other
things.
A
N
And
so
after
adam
joins,
we
are
all
here
from
the
asteria
project
team.
B
Great
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
looking
at.
Take
it
away.
N
Sure
so
the
focus
this
morning
will
be
because
we're
still
undergoing
the
seeker
review
process.
We
have
some
updates
to
the
thief
part
one
that
adam
can
help
talk
through
the
updates
to
that
good
morning,
adam
and
then
we
wanted
to
check
in
with
you
all.
If
there
are
any
other
comments
about
the
site
layout,
we
provided
the
updated
civil
engineering,
construction,
access
and
landscape
plans
as
part
of
this
package.
N
B
Reasonable
to
that
end,
would
you
mind
walking
us
through
the
seeker
related
changes.
N
R
R
We
can
delve
in
to
any
issues
or
thoughts,
but
basically
I've
been
asked
to
kind
of
make
sure
we
have
a
very
well
documented
seeker
record
for
this
project
and
we
we've
done
a
couple
of
things
in
the
last
month
to
to
kind
of
make
that
so
first,
we
we
did
identify
some
additional
involved
agencies
and
so
seeker
coordination
packages
went
out
to
them
in
august.
We
did
that
it,
the
timing
wise,
so
that
30
days
will
have
run
by
your
september
meeting.
R
So
if
they
don't
officially
consent,
they
will
still
be
deemed
involved
agencies
for
purposes
of
seeker.
If
they
don't
respond,
we
over
the
last
few
weeks,
we've
kind
of
gone
through
part,
one
of
the
eaf,
as
I'm
sure
everybody
knows,
there's
been
a
number
of
project
updates
over
time,
so
we
just
wanted
a
very
clean,
clear
part,
one
of
the
feaf,
and
that
was
submitted
in
the
package
last
week.
R
That
is
a
complete,
no
unanswered.
Questions
really
covers
everything
that
has
happened
with
the
project
to
date
and
then
what
we
we,
what
you
have
before
you
today
is
also
an
updated
draft
part
three
of
the
of
the
fee,
and
we
you've
got
also
before
you
a
kind
of
detail.
Three
page
bulleted
items
of
some
of
the
changes
but
high
level.
Really
what
we're
talking
about
is
we
made
sure
the
project
description
is
very
comprehensive
because
of
the
conference
center
component.
R
R
We
also
wanted
to
make
sure
all
the
agencies
associated
with
afford
the
affordable
housing
component
were
clearly
listed
and
identified
as
actions
being
taken
pursuant
to
seeker
just
so
it's
very
clear
that
those
issues
are
covered,
if
you
will,
by
the
seeker
review
other
than
that,
we
we've
really
just
gone
through
the
seeker
record
and
added
additional
analyses
at
various
points
of
the
document,
particularly,
I
would
say
on
parking
and
traffic,
which
I
think
it's
safe
to
say,
have
emerged
as
the
the
bigger
potential
environmental
concerns.
R
The
city
is
in
the
midst
of
a
of
a
parking
study
update
if
you
will
a
comprehensive
identification
of
parking
inventory
in
downtown.
So
we've
got
more
details
from
that.
As
that
moves
towards
a
final
document,
the
really
it
was
just
making
sure
there
was
sufficient
and
comprehensive
analysis
on
each
of
the
issues
and
and
again
the
bulleted
items
kind
of
explain
that
in
a
fair
amount
of
detail,
the
draft
conclusions
that
you've
been
looking
at,
I
think,
since
april,
really
haven't
changed
at
all
again.
R
We
we
just
want
to
make
sure
the
the
seeker
record
is
very
comprehensive
and
complete.
So,
in
a
nutshell,
that's
what
we've
done.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
questions.
I.
B
C
R
So
there
is
information
coming
the
in
fact
yesterday.
I
think
we
got
the
specs
for
that
backup
generator,
so
additional
information
will
be
submitted
and
that
will
be
completed
if
you
will
but
you're
right
that
that
is.
That
is
pretty
much
the
only
open
issue.
At
this
point,
the
we
do
see
some
additional
changes
to
the
thief.
R
In
addition
to
addressing
that
issue,
we
really
just
need
to
go
through
and
make
sure
anything
that
was
submitted
last
week
as
part
of
the
your
most
recent
package
is
referenced
in
there
and
all
the
appropriate
drawings
and
updated
versions
of
everything
are
incorporated,
but
we
do
have
that
information
and
we
anticipate
getting
kind
of
a
summary
of
the,
as
well
as
the
specs
kind
of
an
analysis
on
that
to
you
shortly.
B
Great
so
we'll
we'll
obviously
review
all
that
in
a
couple
weeks
and
make
a
determination
on
the
environmental
significance,
and
then
the
other
piece
of
this
is
the
recommendation
to
the
bza.
Is
there
any
new
material
or
anything
that
we
should
talk
about
today?
S
Kate,
I
can't
think
of
anything
that
that's
anything,
that's
new,
that's
changed.
That
needs
to
be
addressed
today.
Everything
seems
to
be
as
we've
had
it
in
the
past
and
if
there's
any
questions
be
glad
to
answer
any.
B
Fair
enough
with
that
emily,
could
I
ask
you
for
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
project
for
today.
I
I
think
I'll
save
my
design
comments
for
next
time.
I
know
there's
a
lot
here
and
I've
started
to
dig
into
the
pedestrian
connection,
but
I'd
rather
think
about
that
some
more
for
the
big
meetings
and
I
don't
have
any
questions
on
the
thief
part
three.
I
think
it's
it's
filled
out
and
it's
really
comprehensive.
J
Just
one
question:
what's
the
timing
of
the
city
traffic
I
mean,
is
it
traffic
and
parking
study
that
you
mentioned
adam.
R
Yeah,
so
we
understand,
based
on
some
discussions
with
city
staff,
that
that's
in
process,
and
we
should.
It
should
be
in
final
form
if,
if
not
the,
if
nothing
else,
the
inventory,
the
data
that
we've
incorporated
and
are
relying
on
in
the
part
three
that
should
be
final
before
your
meeting.
C
R
Yeah,
so
so
what
what
it?
What
it
really
shows
us
is
that
there's
plenty
of
parking
inventory
in
downtown
and
then
there
there
is
in
the
feed
part
3.
Also
an
analysis
of
this
project's
deparking
needs,
so
it
takes.
The
overall
inventory
looks
at
the
parking
needs
and
that's
the
updated
analysis
you
have
in
the
updated
part
3.
B
A
I
don't
I
mean
I
don't
think
so.
Really
again
it's
the
issue
is
the
changes
to
the
part
three
that
adam
is
doing
and
secret
determination.
So
you
know
if
we're
kind
of
taking
his
lead
on
that,
so.
B
Okay,
well,
thanks
to
everyone,
I
appreciate
you
all
being
on
the
call
here
today.
It
all
looks
tidy
enough.
So
I'm
hoping
things
go
smoothly
in
a
couple
weeks
and
I'll
see
you
all,
then.
A
T
T
Q
Yes
and
jess
is
calling
in
as
well.
C
B
A
B
Q
Just
a
couple
people
yeah
see,
mila
and
jess
should
be
joining.
I
see
that
we're
a
little
early,
which
is
great,
but
I'm
assuming
they're
signing
on
now.
T
Q
Yes,
so
the
overall
plan,
just
as
we're
waiting
for
everybody
to
get
on
was,
I
was
going
to
share
the
screen
of
our
previous
submission
so
that
we
could
kind
of
go
through
and
talk
in
case
the
board
had
any
questions
or
wanted
to
see
anything
in
more
detail.
You
should
have
the
entire
submission
as
a
packet
to
you
already.
C
A
Okay,
so
they
have
divided
the,
as
you
noticed.
In
your
I
mean
there
was
a
lot
of
information
in
your
packet,
but
towards
the
back
there
was
a
phasing
plan
that
showed
phase
one
and
phase
two
and
so
phase.
One
is
the
medical
office
building
some
of
the
parking,
the
road
and
the
affordable
housing
component,
and
so
that's
would
be
final
approval
of
that
phase.
A
We
did,
they
did
submit
some
traffic
information
and
we
have
gotten
comments
back
from
dot,
so
I'll
be
submitting
that
to
you
for
your
information
as
well
before.
So
that's
the
that's.
The
action.
C
T
A
And
they
need
approval
final
approval
of
at
least
one
phase
of
the
project
to
go
back
to
common
council
and
get
their
pud
approved.
A
B
Likely
so
you
know,
I
think
I
think,
we'll
have
to
see
the
condition
and
probably
talk
about
it.
You
know
in
the
context
of
that
resolution,
but
I
can't
imagine
the
board
coming
down
any
differently
on
that.
Q
P
Q
Yeah,
okay,
so
just
to
share
my
screen.
Q
Q
All
right
so
on
the
screen,
it
shows
our
phasing
plan
with
phases,
one
and
two
highlighted,
and
also
the
darker
purple
color
are
the
the
land
transfer
parcels
from
from
city
to
gardens,
and
so
this
is
phase
one
being,
as
lisa
said,
before,
the
medical
office
building
some
parking,
the
road
and
the
affordable
building
with
phase
two
being
the
community
gardens
and
the
mixed
use.
B
P
P
P
We're
get
our
fingers.
K
A
T
That
really
is
to
get
going
while
the
dod
is
happening.
It's
it's
clearly
the
assumption
of
the
project
that
that
breaking
activist
will
happen,
and
but
we
do
want
to
move
the
project.
B
B
I
T
We
have
not
provided
a
staging
plan,
and
maybe
that
makes
sense
to
to
to
do.
That
would
be
our
assumption
as
well
that
the
gardens
would
be
intact
and
that
we
would
probably
stage
in
that
area.
B
Q
Well,
we
do
have
the
conditions
in
the
memo
for
our
submission.
On
the
first
page,
we
do
have
the
conditions
listed
and
then
right
below
how
we're
meeting
those
conditions.
So
we
can
look
at
those
on
screen
or,
like
you
all,
have
them
in
your
package
as
well.
B
Sounds
like
that's
fine.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
dig
into
that,
so
we're
proving
final
first
phase
thrilled
that
the
affordable
peace
is
part
of
that
first
phase.
I
don't
expect
a
ton
of
questions
during
the
full
meeting,
just
because
we've
seen
this
so
many
times
you
know
I
just
can't
imagine
what
questions
are
left
lisa.
Is
there
anything
big
that
I'm
missing
that
we
should
talk
about
today
and
not
wait
for
a
couple
weeks.
A
So
I
guess,
when
you
know
this
as
much
as
the
applicants,
don't
like
this.
None
of
us
like
this.
This
project
is
tied
to
city
harbor
because
of
all
the
d.o.t
issues,
and
so
we
kind
of
rearranged
the
conditions
or
the
board
rearranged.
The
conditions
on
the
city,
harbor
final
approval,
and
I
just
would
like
to
know
if
you
want
me
to
rearrange
them
in
the
same
way.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
that
I
think
you
should
put
in
sort
of
what
staff
thinks
is
the
appropriate
conditions
for
this
project,
and
I
think
the
board
will
react
to
those
and-
and
you
know,
deal
with
them
sort
of
how
they
want
to
similar
to
they
did
in
the
last
project.
But
I
I
think
I
think
you
should
put
in
what
you
think
is
the
right
condition
and
then
the
board
will
work
through
it
and
react
to
that
any
other
questions
or
comments
or
concerns.
B
All
right:
well,
I
hope
it's
smooth
in
a
couple
weeks.
I
know
it's
a
complicated
project
and
there's
a
lot
of
issues
from
a
lot
of
folks,
but
I
I
we
should
be
able
to
work
through
it.
Fine
and
I
hope
it's
a
smooth
meeting
great.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
D
Sorry
I
had
a
little
technical
difficulty
there.
I
couldn't
find
my
power
cord
for
my
computer,
so
yeah
so
sorry
about
that.
I
will
see
you
on
at
the
pennyworth
meeting.
Thanks.
That's
right.
D
E
A
A
A
Well,
you
know,
I
think
that
he
is
for
he's
that
he's
been
hired
by
the
the
applicant
as
council,
but
whoever
you
know.
However,
this
goes.
We
all
work
together
very
closely
because
we
all
want
a
defensible
record
so
yeah
so
he's
been
hired
by
the
applicant
because,
as
you
know,
there's
a
pending
lawsuit
and.
A
You
may
or
may
not
be
subject
to
that
too
215
east
state
street.
They
did
not
get
their
variance,
it
was
tabled
and
I
haven't.
I
was
out
last
week
and
I
haven't
gotten
the
full
story
of
why
so
the
quest
so
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
preliminary
and
final
approval
because
because
they
didn't
get
their
variance,
but
they
may
come
in
with
some
signage
so
that
they're
more
in
you
know
prepared
in
october
to
to
to
go
for
preliminary
and
final
they.
A
Did
yeah
yeah
rear
yard,
variance,
okay,
bulge,
so.
A
Should
I
write
so
where
did
we
end
on
that?
Do
we
want
the
windows
as
a
condition,
or
should
I
write
a
resolution.
B
I
think
you
write
a
resolution.
I
think
we
have
the
windows
as
a
condition,
and
I
actually
don't
know
if
we,
if
we
take
action
on
that
resolution,
I
just
don't
know
how
the
board's
going
to
feel.
I
feel
like
this
whole
discussion
is
centered
around
the
windows,
and
now
we
don't
have
windows
anymore
and,
like
I,
I
just
don't
know
how
that
conversation
is
going
to
go.
J
I
mean,
for
my
part,
I'm
leaning
towards
saying
it's
okay,
as
long
as
they
are
very
explicit
about
the
design,
intent
and
have
good
diagrams
like
emily
was
asking
for.
So
it's
super
clear
on
what
the
intent
is
and
then
it's
then
there's
some
condition
where
we
have
to.
You
know
ensure
that
the
design
team
is
hiring
the
contractor
and
the
fabricator
to
do
it
exactly
to
that
design.
Intent.
A
But
I
do
feel
I
agree
with
you
that
if
you
agree
with
the
design
intent,
then
it
is,
the
level
of
detail
is
pretty
yeah.
E
J
Would
I
be
willing
to
approve
it
to
move?
Why.
A
Don't
I
put
potential
and
and
they'll
also
do
a
presentation
on
window
design,
intent.
B
I
mean,
I
think
they
know
that
they're
going
to
have
to
you
know,
make
us
comfortable.
A
I
A
All
right
430
to
444
design,
review
and
review
of
the
part
three.
If
there's
extra
time,
I
do
agree
that
that
will
take
some
time
to
get
through.
B
And
I
don't
see
a
problem
going
through
preliminary
approval
on
that
that
one
seems
fine
to
me.
You
know
if
anybody
has
an
issue
in
the
in
the
room.
Obviously
we
won't
do
it,
but.
A
Well,
you
have
to
go
through
there's
another
step
that
has
to
happen,
or
else
the
decision
is
not
legal,
so
you
have
to
send
it
to
the
county
yeah
I
mean
I
could
try
sending
it
to
them
and
see.
If
I
get
a
response,
usually
a
week
is
not
enough,
they
need
30
days,
but
I
can
I'll
try.
A
We
had
it
our
last
month,
yep,
all
the
only
I
don't
know
what
the
appeals
are
yet,
except
for
sure
astiri
and
the
rimland
project
going
back
and
then
I
have
told
all
the
september
29th
special
meeting
agenda.
I've
told
all
the
applicants
that
you're
not
really
inclined
to-
or
you
know
unless
you
know
that
they
shouldn't
expect
that
you
will
hear
their
project
at
the
meeting.
So
I
can
provide
my
notes
from
the
previous
meeting
about
what
you
said.
You
wanted
to
discuss.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
mitch
too,
for
sending
back
comments
about
the
transportation
and
I'm
working
on
that
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
it.
It
will
be
given
to
the
planning
committee
meeting
for
their
next
meeting
next
week.
B
Well,
this
looks
good,
it
seems,
like
it'll,
be
a
not
terrible
meeting
in
a
couple
weeks.
B
Some
of
them
are
terrible,
some
of
them
are
rougher
than
others,
certainly,
but
maybe
we're
going
to
get
some
stuff
resolved
this
time.
I
don't
mind.