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A
B
B
I'm
Rob
Lewis
I'm,
your
chair
first
project
is
the
dean
at
401,
East,
State
Street,
and
if
the
applicant
would
introduce
himself
and
take
it
away.
A
A
Do
you
want
me
to
do
a
quick
run
through
of
please
okay.
I
will
share
my
screen
now.
A
Okay,
assuming
you
guys,
can
see
that
one
of
the
the
changes
to
the
facade
is
to
paint
the
brick
block
and
stucco
of
the
building
with
a
gray,
color
called
Kendall
charcoal
and
then
most
of
the
other
changes
are
either
signage
and
or
changes
at
the
the
vestibules
or
entries
on
the
east,
north
and
west
sides.
A
So
we'll
go
through
those
quickly
now
existing
west
side
of
the
building.
It
says
Gateway
Center
over
the
Arches.
A
We
are
it's
we're
proposing
to
bring
the
so
right
now
it
has
recessed
vestibule
proposing
to
bring
the
storefront
to
in
between
these
two
entry
arches
so
to
the
face
of
the
building.
This
may
not
happen.
It
might
might
happen
in
the
future,
but
we're
presenting
it
now
so
that
if
it
does
wrap
into
the
current
construction
that
everybody's
well
aware
of
it,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
is
sorry
I'm
moving
you
on
my
screen.
A
A
So
then,
on
the
north
side.
This
is
what
it
currently
looks
like
excuse.
A
Okay
sure,
so
the
proposal
for
for
this
signage
is
to
be
metal,
cut
signs
with
that's
backlit,
so
it
would
have
a
glow
around
the
edges.
A
That's
I
believe
the
only
signage
on
that
side
on
the
North
side,
So,
currently
there's
a
metal
canopy
over
it,
so
we're
so
we're
planning
to
change
the
canopy,
the
railing
and
the
door
along
with
signage
on
the
buildings.
So
the
main
thing
being
the
signs
on
the
upper
corners
of
the
building,
the
the
left
side
or
Northeast
would
be
so.
People
can
see
it
driving
down
State
Street
and
then
the
northwest
side
corner
sign
being
so.
A
The
people
coming
from
the
commons
or
that
side
of
town
can
see
it
from
that
direction,
painted
acrylic
or
metal
signs,
as
it
says
here,
backlit
as
far
as
I
believe
through
the
the
cutouts
of
the
letters
and
the
stenciling
at
the
top
and
the
bottom
so
again,
a
glow
per
se
from
behind
the
sign
and
then,
as
far
as
what
it
looks
like
on
the
building.
A
These
are
the
locations
of
the
of
the
two
Corner
signs
and
then
we'll
talk
about
the
vestibule
a
little
bit
more
again,
pointing
out
the
gray
color
of
the
building
so
painting
with
a
Kindle
charcoal
all
the
the
Brick
stucco
and
and
block
just
to
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
So
the
metal
canopy
would
be
replaced
with
a
fabric
awning
with
the
the
dean
on
it
and
then
the
upgrades
to
the
actual
doors.
A
What
we're
proposing
is
so
there's
an
art
deco.
One
thing,
I
didn't
explain,
is
there's
sort
of
an
art
deco
theme
on
the
inside
for
the
finishes
of
the
building
and
so
trying
to
carry
that
to
the
outside
the
design
of
the
doors
and
and
some
of
the
storefront
is
trying
to
tie
that
in
so
these
would
be
the
doors
and
then
the
railing
out
front.
A
E
Yeah,
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
kind
of
hearing
about
this
project,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
it
and
foreign
yeah
I'll,
be
with
you
in
a
second
I.
Think
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know
the
the
Retro
Deco
theme
is
a
little
bit
kind
of
weird
to
me,
but
you
know
I
know
this
is
kind
of
a
private
developer,
driven
idea
to
kind
of
change
the
identity
of
this
really
important
building,
it's
kind
of
an
important
corner
right
with
the
new
development
coming
a
block
away.
E
I
think
the
darker
color
could
be
fine.
I
think
the
signage
on
the
corners
seems
a
little
bit
large
to
me.
Like
20
foot
signs
looks
like
they're
two-story
signs
on
those
Corners,
those
seem
really
over
scaled
and
to
me
when
I
think
about
this
building
and
I'm
looking
at
the
existing
photograph
of
it
in
Google
Maps
the
corner,
it's
a
very
kind
of
like
not
welcoming,
building
and
I
know.
You
know.
E
We've
talked
a
lot
about
like
ground
floor
activation
for
downtown
and
to
me
the
Angel
Heart
Diner,
it's
wrapped
around
the
corner.
It's
kind
of
it's
like
in
the
level
below
it
doesn't
really
contribute
much
to
State,
Street
and
I
know
State,
Street's,
being
redone
right
now
and
you're
going
to
have
the
new
development
up
the
block
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there
are
any
interior
Renovations
planned
for
this
building
or
if
this
is
just
exterior
paint
and
signage
and
entries.
It
sounds
like
it
is.
A
So
so
some
of
the
background
is
this:
went
through
limited,
so
I
plan
review.
So
so
we
are
renovating
floors,
one
one
through
five
ground,
four
being
the
the
lowest
is
about
half
to
be
renovated
and
so
floors.
One
through
five
are
predominantly
going
to
be
Apartments.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
an
office
building
anymore.
It's
gonna
be
Apartments
the
the
first
floor
on
at
that
north
entrance.
That's
actually
going
to
be
what
we're
calling
a
community
room.
A
A
Basically,
that
can
be
used
for
as
a
like
sort
of
a
small
function
space
so
that
on
that-
and
so
that's
directly
at
that
entrance
on
State
Street
at
the
sidewalk,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
we
do
want
to
upgrade
the
finishes
on
that
side
and
make
it
more
welcoming
and
inviting
because
it
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
public
entrance
for
that
kind
of
community
room
space
that
can
be
rented.
E
And
then
there's
a
blank
wall,
I
guess
west
of
that
entry
that
gets
wider
as
the
sidewalk
slopes
down
like
that
could
have
landscape
if
it's
going
to
be
residential
in
nature,
like
I
think
this
needs
a
lot
more
landscape
planter
boxes
like
what
can
we
do
to
make
this
feel
inviting
and
residential
in
nature?
So.
B
Thank
you
for
my
piece,
I
think
that,
as
a
simple
refresh
that
most
of
this
is
fine,
you
know
I,
think
that
there's
not
a
lot
here.
That
is
objectionable.
With
the
exception
of
the
big
Corner
signs,
there's
been
a
reluctance
to
approve
signage
at
height
for
residential
projects.
You
know
it's
not
like
we're
supporting
a
commercial
use
with
this
signage.
It's
not
like
this
is
space
that
needs
to
be
findable
to
people
who
don't
live
there,
especially-
and
these
are
big,
as
Mitch
correctly
pointed
out
so
I
mean
I,
I.
B
Think
you're
going
to
get
pushed
back
on
your
signs
in
the
meeting.
I
think
that
pushback
will
be
strong
and
then
I
think
the
rest
of
it
is
is
relatively
fine,
I
think
Mitch's
Point
towards
other
things
that
could
be
done
to
make
this
feel
more
activated
or
even
just
more
residential
with
the
Landscaping
I
think
are
well
taken,
I'm,
not
totally
sure.
B
That's
before
us
now,
I
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
the
sign
approvals
interface,
with
the
limited
site
plan
review
and
like
I
I,
don't
totally
know,
but
I
think
it's
worth
thinking
about.
B
C
Yes,
so
yeah
the
the
process
is
so
but
I
thought
you're
just
coming
with
us
with
a
sign
package,
but
you
came
with
other
things
and
that's
fine.
We
did
do
a
limited
site
plan
review
when
the
further
conversion,
but
all
of
this
wasn't
known
at
that
time.
So
this
is
it's
fine
to
comment.
C
I
I
do
agree
with
everybody
about
not
only
the
size
and
number,
but
the
placement
of
the
signs
up
high,
so
everybody
can
see
them.
You
know
I
understand
that
everybody
wants
that,
but
it
has
to
be
limited
and
also
I,
also
I,
think
the
lighting-
and
we
really
are
gonna
you're
getting
so
much
lighting
from
signs
and
the
exterior
those
totally
exposed
bar
lights.
I
think
you
know
we
want
to
keep
things
to
down
lighting,
at
least
to
prevent
light
pollution,
and
you
know
again
that's
another
issue
with
these
signs.
C
One
of
the
things
about
this
site
that
could
really
you
really
did
great
with
the
pictures
you
couldn't
have
chosen
pictures
when
things
looked
worse
like
so
that's
great.
So
it's
all
like
a
great
it's
a
great
Improvement,
but
one
of
the
things
about
this
site.
That's
really
going
to
change
with
the
new
project.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
cars
coming
in
and
out,
and
that
sidewalk
is
that
great,
you
know
there's
not
much
of
it.
C
It
doesn't
feel
very
separate
and
that's
always
been
like,
as
I've
walked
through
that
site
many
times.
It's
always
been
confusing
to
me.
Where
is
the
safe
place
to
walk,
and
that
is
a
something
that
could
really
be
changed
to
pump
up
that
entrance
and
make
it
feel
like
a
safe
place
to
walk.
You
guys
will
be
a
lot
more
cars
coming
in
and
out
of
there
and
make
that
a
you
know
an
actual
sidewalk
that
is
separated
from
the
driving
lane
a
little
bit
more
clearly.
A
Those
are
my
comments.
Yeah,
we
did
I
mean
we
did
talk
about
this,
this
corner,
that's
currently
vacant.
A
H
C
And
with
all
the
more
traffic
coming
through
there,
that's
going
to
be
it's
not
going
to
really
feel
safe,
so
I
don't
have
a
opinion
about
the
style
of
the
signage
or
I.
Think
that
State
Street
side
is
a
big
Improvement.
B
All
right
so
that
to
me
sounds
like
a
useful
assortment
of
feedback.
Is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
try
to
float
before
the
board
at
the
at
the
working
meeting
here.
A
I,
don't
think
so.
Okay,
that
was
that
was
very
helpful.
I
I
had
already
talked
with
Megan
Wilson
about
what
would
be
required,
variance
wise
for
the
signage
and
she
she
just
put
the
bug
in
my
ear
that
the
board
would
have
a
lot
to
say
about
it
anyway.
So
before
we
go
there,
let's
address
whatever
your
guy's
concerns
are
and
then
we'll
see
where
the
variances
go.
B
Fair
enough
anything
else
from
border
stuff
saying
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
up
we
have
116
North
Meadow
Street.
D
Got
a
large
team
here,
I'm
gonna
be
admitting
some
that
might
just
take
a
minute
to
sort
out
sure.
I
J
Okay,
that's
okay,.
J
Good
morning,
my
name
is
from
Rhythm
plan
design,
we're
here
today
to
provide
some
updates
for
116
North
Meadow
Street.
Today
we
have
Lauren
Turner,
technetter
and
John
Bernardo
from
our
RSS
owners
team
and
Rob
Kane.
We
should
also
have
Jeremy
white,
but
if
he's
not
here
yet
he
may
be
able
to
join
us
later.
J
J
To
give
you
a
real
brief
presentation:
okay,
so
this
ground
floor
plan
has
not
been
changed
since
our
last
presentation,
but
the
submission
that
we
submitted
in
May
was
was
not
this
one,
so
we're
planning
to
submit
the
latest
plan
for
the
record,
but
the
ground
floor
programming
is
basically
the
same
as
we
presented
in
the
last
24
meeting.
J
And
there
has
been
some
programming
changes
for
the
room
and
layouts,
so
I
I
can
give
you
a
review
and
drop
feel
free
to
Jumping
if
I'm
missing
anything.
So
in
the
previous
plan
that
we
have
proposed
three
bedrooms
and
four
bedroom
as
part
of
the
package,
but
right
now
the
package
has
changed
primarily
to
Studio
one
bedroom
and
two
bedroom.
So
the
layout
has
changed
a
little
bit
on
this
side
too.
J
That
previously
there
were
three
bedrooms
and
four
bedrooms
in
this
corner,
and
then
one
other
change
that
has
been
provided
is
that
we
used
to
have
this
laundry
room
on
this
corner
and
now
has
been
moved
to
this
corner.
The
roof
chair
is
not
being
fully
designed
yet,
but
the
intention
is
to
provide
some
planting
buffer
on
the
edge
to
prevent
other
people
picking
in
from
from
this
side
and
then
we'll
also
providing
providing
a
planting
buffer
between
the
units
and
the
roof.
Terrace
itself.
J
Second
floor
third
floor
first
floor:
the
layout
is
basically
the
same
thing
and
kind
of
getting
continued
up
up
until
the
fifth
floor.
So
on
the
fifth
floor
we
have
fitness
center
in
this
corner
and
then
the
rooftops
that
we
presented
last
time,
as
you
know
that
this
is
the
intersection
at
Seneca
and
Meadow
Street.
So
we
are
imagining
that
this
corner
can
be
really
used
by
our
residents.
J
We
also
provided
a
Pergola
on
top
and
last
time
the
funny
member
member
suggested
adding
trees
on
the
roof
Tower
itself,
and
we
are
currently
taking
that
into
consideration
and
planning
to
have
a
few
trees
on
the
fifth
floor.
Roof
Terrace
and
here
are
some
elevations
for
the
beauty
is
so
this
one
is
taken
from
the
south.
J
This
is
the
one
that
I
mentioned
about
having
summer
buffers
from
the
South
Side
looking
to
our
units,
and
we
also
have
this
pet
park
on
the
ground
floor
that
has
been
introduced
to
you
last
night
and
the
north
elevation
didn't
change
much
rather
than
I'm.
Sorry
I
shouldn't
speak
that
too
early,
but
the
facade
maybe
had
changed
the
material
itself,
but
then
the
fifth
floor.
The
primary
change
would
be
to
adding
a
few
bunting
Moon
trees
up
there.
J
And
then
the
west
elevation
I
believe
last
time
when
we
presented,
we
don't
have
any
facade
treatment
on
the
ground
floor,
but
this
one
we
have
provided
some
ground
level
penetration
for
visibility
and
maybe
some
interaction
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
the
East
Elevation.
J
J
And
this
is
an
import
eye
view
of
our
Beauty
and
Rob,
and
anyone
from
our
RSS
team
feel
free
to
training
if
I
missed
anything
in
this
package.
Thank.
G
You
hi
everyone.
This
is
Rob
Kane,
director
of
real
estate
development
with
CSD
housing.
Thank
you
Ife
for
giving
that
that
overview.
So
a
couple
key
things
we
heard
from
the
planning
board
meeting
that
I'd
like
to
throw
out
there
was,
you
know
the
first
and
foremost
being
adding
more
Greenery
and
trees.
We
really
focused
our
efforts
on
the
main
entryway
at
the
intersection
of
North
Buffalo
and
West
Seneca.
As
you
can
see,
individuals
will
walk
through
the
building.
G
We
didn't
add
the
green
coloring
just
yet,
but
that
entrance
way
will
be
more
warm
in
nature,
with
the
with
the
updated
rendering
will
have
a
lot
more
Planters
and
green
wall
kind
of
coming
out,
there's
filling
out
from
the
entrance
way
on
the
roof.
You
know
adding
more
Greenery,
we're
still
playing
with
the
level
of
greenery
and
trellis,
underneath
the
trellis,
which
you
can't
see
from
this
perspective,
will
be
more
green
plantings
and
then
also
on
the
on
the
right
side
of
the
northern
elevation.
Here.
G
One
of
the
things
that
we
heard
about
was
really
trying
to
find
the
building's
identity
by
simplifying
it,
and
you
know
not
having
a
kind
of
for
a
lack
of
a
better
term
hodgepodge
of
different
elevations
and
facants.
So
we
work
to
simplify
that
to
make
it
a
cohesive
building.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
at
a
pedestrian
scale.
I'm
not
sure,
if
Jeremy's
with
us
to
add
a
little
bit
more,
but
he
didn't
write
to
me
saying
he's
waiting
to
be
let
in
so.
G
If
he
is
available
for
conversation,
perhaps
Jeremy,
you
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
the
the
progress
updates
that
we
have
here
with
the
set
of
plans.
Oh
and
one
other
thing,
the
unit
makes
good
change
to
67
units,
a
combination
of
Studios
ones
and
twos.
F
I
am
I
am
good
afternoon,
everyone,
so
yeah
yeah
to
just
sort
of
piggyback
on
what
Rob
is
talking
about.
You
know
there's
been
some
tweaking
and
refining
on
the
exterior
and
the
interior,
most
of
which
was
in
response
to
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
you
guys,
the
previous
time,
continuing
sort
of
a
a
little
more
of
a
simple
approach
on
the
exterior
making
sure
that
we
have
something
that
feels
cohesive
along
the
elevation,
and
you
know
doing
that
with
material
masking
Etc.
F
You
know
we
do
have
the
the
entry
point
at
the
kind
of
the
corner
of
of
right
there
at
North
Meadows,
and
you
know
it
just
I-
think
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
something
that
feels
welcoming
at
the
corner
as
well.
As
you
know,
has
it
has
a
good
conveyance,
as
as
you
walk
in
that
there's,
you
know
also
keeping
in
mind
the
the
tenant
use.
F
You
know
just
the
level
of
security
that
we're
looking
for
here,
so
overall
I
think
I
think
Rob
basically
touched
on
most
of
it
and
we're
in
the
process
of
refining
the
renderings
as
we
speak.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
those
distributed
as
soon
as
possible,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
have
much
more
input
other
than
what
Rob
has
already
mentioned.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'd
be
be
happy
to
to
address
great.
B
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
feedback.
I
would
like
to
start
with
Mitch
Mitch.
E
Sure,
thanks
Rob,
you
know
as
before.
I
think
this
is
a
great
program
and
and
use
of
the
site
and
I
really
appreciate
the
development
team
coming
forward
and
taking
on
this
project.
E
It's
such
an
important
site
in
downtown
such
an
important
use
for
affordable
housing,
so
just
Kudos
all
the
way
around
for
that
it's
a
fantastic
use
and
I
appreciate
the
response
about
the
kind
of
the
hodgepodge
nature
of
the
of
the
facade
I
do
think
it
doesn't
need
to
be
simple,
but
it
needs
to
be
simplified
from
what
you
had
and
I'm,
not
sure
it's
there.
Yet
I
can't
really
tell
what
these
materials
are.
E
The
colors
you
know,
there's
no
updated
rendering
so
I
mean
I,
guess
I'll
Reserve
judgment
on
that,
but
I
think
what
I,
what
I
am
still
seeing
is
it's
something
I
mentioned
in
the
in
the
in
the
meeting
is
the
corner,
entry
and
I?
E
Think,
with
this
overhang
and
I
know,
you
said
it
was
a
little
bit
higher
than
sort
of
standard
Heights
I
do
still
feel
it
seems
to
me
that
it's
going
to
come
across
as
dark
setback
hidden
and
it's
not
really
emphasizing
this
great
Corner
that
you're
going
to
have
at
the
intersection
of
meadow
and
what's
across
street
sorry
I
should
know
that
Seneca
Meadow
and
Seneca
right
like
like.
If
you
look
at
the
corner
of
of
the
project
at
Court
in
Meadow,
it's
got
a
great
red
corner
like
it's
so
identifiable.
E
It
comes
right
to
the
street.
The
door
is
right
on
the
sidewalk,
there's
beautiful
landscaping,
it's
very
open.
If
you
look
at
201
Hancock
the
same
thing
happens,
you
know
it's
it's
inviting
it's
it's
accessible,
it
activates
the
corner.
This
one
is
set
back,
it's
hidden,
it's
underneath!
So
the
more
you
can
emphasize
that
point,
bring
it
to
the
street,
activate
the
entry.
I
think
the
better,
but
you
know
other
than
that.
I
appreciate
the
landscape
improvements.
That's
always
good!
That's
always
a
comment
we
have
but
I
think
architecturally.
E
This
this
project
still
has
a
little
bit
of
ways
to
go
and
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you
have
at
the
board
meeting.
B
Thank
you
Mitch
for
my
piece.
I'll
say
that
the
building
as
a
whole
I
think
is
good.
I
like
it,
but
I
was
going
to
say
the
same
thing
about
the
corner
and
phrase
it
less
elegantly.
B
It
lacks
prominence.
It's
it's
not.
B
It
doesn't
read
as
something
that
is
important
relative
to
the
building
like
if
I
look
at
this
building
and
I
try
to
pick
out
what's
important,
I
can
pick
out
the
curved
roof
area.
I
can
pick
out
the
little
Towery
thing
to
the
left.
I,
don't
pick
out
that
corner,
it's
like
the
fourth
or
fifth
thing,
I,
look
at
and
I.
Don't
think!
That's
how
you
want
it
to
read
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
not
only
is
there
yet
and
let's
see,
let's
check
in
with
Lisa.
C
Yeah
I
Echo.
C
Echo
aggressing
and
we're
so
excited
about
this
project
and
I
base.
I
have
two
comments:
I
mean
part
of
it
is
the
corner,
but
part
of
it
is
this
like
incredible
gesture
you've
made
and
which
we
so
appreciate
to
expand.
Basically,
you
know
break
down
the
public
private
space
and
expand
the
feeling
there
that
people
can
be
in
so
and
I
feel,
like
you
know,
there's
many
things
that
need
to
be
details
that
need
to
be
worked
at,
but
those
columns
really
detract
from
that.
C
Like
it's
a
barrier,
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
this
at
the
last
project
that
had
this
concept
like
what
should
the
column
be
like
how
you
know,
if
you
can
you
walk
around
it?
How
big
should
it
be,
and
so,
both
at
that
corner
and
near
the
the
drive
aisle?
That's
again
great.
Thank
you
so
much
for
including
more
space,
but
then
this
that
big,
huge
column
and
the
shape
of
it
in
the
middle
of
it
makes
it
so
that
you
really
can't
walk
there.
C
It's
just
a
visual
thing,
so
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
you
could
do
about
that
so
same
thing,
but
my
my
other
concern
really
and
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
address
this
or
like
what
information
you
would
have
to
show
is
that
the
interface
between
this
sloped
driveway,
going
in
and
out
of
the
building
and
the
sidewalk
like?
How
is
that
safe?
How
does
that
feel?
C
How
are
cars
gonna,
you
know
interact
with
that
area
like
maybe
if
we
could
see
sort
of
blow-ups
and
what
you
might
do
to
sort
of
warn
pedestrians
and
how
how
far
out
do
cars
have
to
go
because
my
understandings
are
gonna,
it's
gonna
be
like
three
feet:
difference
right
between
the
the
garage.
So
how
does
that
feel
on
the
street
with
pedestrians
but
again,
I
think
overall,
you've
done
a
really
great
job
of
elevating
this
building
without
making
it
look
like
it's
just
sitting
up
in
the
air,
I
mean
I.
B
Excellent,
so
that
to
me
seems
like
some
productive
and
consistent
feedback
is.
B
D
J
Know
yeah
those
are
for
the
rest
area,
project,
okay,
yeah
right
of
course,
okay
good
morning,
I'm
going
to.
K
Hi
everybody
so
I'm
emila
Fourier
with
wooden
planning
and
design,
and
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
next
steps
for
the
Farmers
Market
at
the
previous
planning
board
meeting.
We
heard
that
everyone's
pretty
positive
about
what's
happening
there,
but
we
want
to
see
more
about
what's
happening
on
the
waterfront
and
with
the
actual
buildings
Renovations
themselves,
just
because
we
can't
think
about
how
the
site
as
a
whole
was
about
looking
at
those.
K
So
while
eBay
is
pulling
her
things
up
well,
today
we're
going
to
talk
mostly
about
the
Waterfront
and
then
a
very
brief
thing
about
the
building.
I'll
talk
about
the
building
Renovations,
but
at
the
planning
board
meeting
trade
design
Bill,
who
did
the
design
work
for,
for
that
will
be
the
ones
presenting.
K
So
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
Ife?
Why?
Don't
you?
Oh
I'm?
Sorry,
let
me
introduce
the
rest
of
the
folks
that
are
here
from
the
farmers
market.
So
we
have
Crystal
and
Crystal
is
part
of
the
State
Design
committee,
so
say:
hi
Crystal
we've
got
Dan
also
on
the
site,
design
committee
and
then
we
have
Monica
and
Monica
is
part
of
the
friends
of
Ithaca
Farmers
Market
and
is
key
to
the
financing
of
all
of
this.
J
All
right,
thank
you
all
right,
so,
like
Mila
was
saying
we're
going
to
focus
on
Waterfront
and
building
for
today's
meeting
last
time.
During
the
playing
board
meeting,
we
have
received
a
comment
from
one
of
the
members
that
you
would
like
to
see
the
section
comparison
between
existing
and
proposed.
This
page
says
just
to
give
you
a
review
of
what
we're
currently
proposing
and
then
into
a
corner
comparison
section
that
we're
going
to
have
is
right
here
and.
D
J
K
So
before
before
yeah
before
you
get
into
that,
you
think,
can
you
just
just
give
them
a
quick
overview
of
what's
changing
on
the
waterfront
yeah
like
maybe
like
over
here?
How
is
that
that
that's
a
pretty
significant
difference
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
of
what's
Happening.
J
Yeah
I
believe
we
did
a
really
brief
overview
last
time,
but
I
can
give
you
introduction
this
time
too.
So
the
order
found
we
didn't
expect
to
be
changing
too
much
other
than
improving
what
we
are
currently
having
and
they
improve
the
quality
of
Trail
and
space
for
people
to
gather
and
sitting.
So
primarily,
the
trail
itself
from
this
part
up
to
here
is
not
going
to
change
it's
going
to
stay
in
place
as
existing
Trail
and
then
the
trail
from
this
side.
J
Coming
from
this
point,
all
the
way
down
to
here
will
be
repaved
with
either
asphalt
or
concrete
materials.
We
last
time
we
provided
a
material
diagram
showing
all
different
material
will
be
and
then
for
all
the
vendor
parking
they
will
stay
as
gravel
reinforce
gravel,
so
it
can
be
permeable
and
not
creating
a
lot
of
impervious
space
for
this
area
and
for
the
left
side
of
this
building.
J
So
our
plan
is
to
straighten
out,
and
that
means
that
we
will
have
to
reroute
it
after,
like
behind
this
concrete
structure
for
this
very
easement
and
then
from
the
middle
part.
Here
to
here,
they
were
anticipating
to
have
concrete
Paving
for
a
smooth
transition
like
for
people
who
are
bike
all
the
time
during
normal
Market
Days.
It
would
be
easier
for
them
to
go
through
and
not
going
through.
J
The
right
angle,
cells
and
additional
seating
area
that
we're
providing
other
than
having
benches
and
sitting
area
in
here
is
to
have
stone
along
the
water
itself.
J
So
we
have
primarily
for
for
areas
here
here
here
and
here,
so
we're
not
intending
to
change
the
character
of
the
water
at
all,
we're
just
adding
a
stone,
as
one
Shoreline
stabilization
to
more
seating
for
the
visitors
to
come
and
sit
and
enjoy
their
lunch
and
some
other
strategies
we're
taking
for
the
order
prompt
is
to
provide
additional
sitting
again
but
not
on
the
waterfront
is
within
those
areas.
J
So
those
are
stone,
blocks
kind
of
framing
the
pavement
Edge,
but
also
create
pockets
for
people
to
sit
and
have
conversation
and
sit
over
here.
So
this
area
is
a
small
reinforced
lawn
area.
It
can
also
be
used
as
a
small
performance
space.
If
the.
If
that's
something
that
you
know
a
farmer's
market
wants
to
have
and
even
there's
no
performance,
they
can
be
just
Cafe
tables
and
small
tables
and
chairs
for
people
to
sit.
J
Next
lunch
is
staying
as
well,
we're
not
intending
to
change
it,
but
we
will
improve
it.
So
it's
better,
it's
it's
more
obvious
and
it
just
better
for
people
to
get
into
the
water
and
we're
not
intending
to
remove
the
existing
manatees
at
all
additional
Gathering
seating
space
over
here.
Those
are
Stone
settings
as
well
like
they
have
the
same
language,
all
the
way
for
the
entire
border
from.
J
So
for
the
sections
that
we're
showing
today
section
one
section-
A
sorry
is
over
here,
as
I
mentioned
before-
we're
moving
the
trial
closer
to
the
water
instead
of
having
them
turn
in
here.
So
the
trial
itself
is
closer
to
the
building
right
now,
but
as
we're
moving
far
away,
we
have
to
do
something
to
stabilize
the
shore.
J
The
stone
seating
is
something
that
we
wanted
to
bring
in
because
they
they
can.
You
know
very
well
designed
to
be
suitable
and
also
stabilized
the
floor,
and
this
is
an
example
from
Israel
Park.
J
The
stone
in
our
design
is
not
going
to
be
this
big,
but
this
concept
is
going
to
be
the
same,
that
you
will
be
able
to
step
down
into
the
water
from
from
this
Edge
and
we're
keeping
that
two
feet:
minimum
clearance
from
the
trail
itself
to
prevent
accidentally
falling
into
the
water
and
for
Section
b,
as
I
mentioned,
before,
we're
not
intending
to
change
the
layout
of
the
water
function
on
this
side.
J
So
the
trial
stays
in
place,
but
instead
of
moving
the
trail,
we're
removing
a
lot
of
the
evasive
species
along
the
water
and
basically
open
up
the
view,
and
we
could
have
more
settings
for
people
to
sit
and
eat.
You
know
look
over
the
water
while
they're
having
their
lunch,
so
those
are
the
two
sections
that
we
want
to
highlight
and
respond
to
the
comments
that
we
received
before
and
then
in
the
next
few
pages.
K
You
know
the
the
thing
is
to
the
building
itself.
It
really
came
out
of
a
very
extensive
and
and
deep
outreach
program
that
we
program
that
we
did
in
the
fall
and
what
we
heard
more
than
anything
else
is
that
you
know
football
to
take
a
trillion.
They
there's
a
lot
of
affection
to
that
building
and-
and
they
didn't
want
to
see
it,
go
to
go
away.
K
Of
course,
there's
going
to
be
some
critical
maintenance
involved,
they
wanted
to
conserve
the
stall
accounts.
We
were
talking
about
enclosing
the
clear
story
for
rain
protection,
because
sometimes
when
it's
very
rainy
and
windy,
we
get
those
sideways
rains
that
make
it
wet
in
the
middle
there.
We
wanted
to
also
include
some.
K
K
We
heard
from
a
lot
of
vendors
at
that
circular
end
ends
up
being
a
spot
where
there's
a
lot
less
traffic,
so
people
tend
to
go
to
the
end
of
the
street
part
if
they
don't
see
what
they
want
to
see
there,
they
just
kind
of
turn
around
and
go
back,
so
they
don't
actually
walk
the
circle
and
we
were
asked
by
the
farmers
to
to
think
about
how
we
might
rethink
that
and
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
activated,
and
you
know
we're
not
going
to
enclose
the
lower
sections,
but
maybe
some
sort
of
flexible
wind
protection
is
something
that
they'd
like
to
see.
K
Of
course,
any
of
these
improvements
include
sprinkler
in
the
building.
So
there's
going
to
be
those
improvements,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
sheet,
so
we'll
see
what's
changing
so
right
now
we're
going
to
go
through
a
b
and
c.
K
These
are
additions
that
either
end
and
where
the
office
is
go
ahead
and
let's
move
on
and
go
into
detail,
so
we're
going
to
improve
office
a
so
it's
going
to
be
slightly
larger
office
and
a
community
room
there's
already
Plumbing
there,
so
they
can
even
will
include
the
sync
and
such
so
it's
really
going
to
be
made
to
be
an
extension
of
what's
already
there
and
it's
where
the
bathroom
trailers
are
right
now,
so
we're
already
kind
of
not
using
that
ground
space.
K
So
we're
going
to
kind
of
extend
that
movement
out
towards
the
Waterfront
masonry
base,
and
we
were
talking
about
a
sort
of
natural
wood
sighting
in
the
upper
area
to
kind
of
extend
the
material
palette
facility
there,
but
that
would
be
a
solid
up
top.
That
would
be
a
storage
area.
K
That's
like
long-term
storage
or
you
know,
seasonal
storage,
but
it
was
also
part
of
the
idea
that
if
we
could
enclose
the
upper
end
of
the
Pavilion,
what
we
end
up
doing
is
we
end
up
creating
better,
better
temperature
tolerance
at
the
shoulder
ends
of
the
season.
K
At
the
B
side
over
here
again,
it's
a
matter
of
just
extending
the
building
by
just
a
little
bit.
There
is
a
really
old
cottonwood
tree
there.
That
would
have
to
go
because
of
this.
K
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
of
that,
but
again
it'd
be
extending
the
roof
line,
extending
the
materials
and
having
this
language
of
the
enclosed
ends
to
keep
the
temperature
a
little
bit
more.
Okay,
just
break
from
the
the
sharp
winds
that
come
off
the
lake
and
the
in
the
coldest
parts
of
the
year,
but
that
would
be
bathrooms
the
way
the
bathrooms
were
arranged
they're
still
up
to
the
Interiors
are
still
being
discussed
and
then
see.
This
is
the
biggest
change.
K
Instead
of
having
that
circular
end
again
just
extend
that
roof
line
out
and
use
the
same
language
of
of
materials.
K
It
would
the
goal
of
both
the
sticker
and
and
the
BN
is
to
bring
the
market
out
to
the
Waterfront
Trail,
so
that
there's
this
really
nice
flow
from
the
trail
directly
into
the
market
or
plastic.
If
you
don't
want
to
go
into
the
market
area,
so
there's
a
really
nice
flow
from
one
to
the
other.
So
it's
integrating
those
things
and
again
this
would
be
a
bathroom
and
dish
room
area,
and
that
was
one
of
the
thoughts
that
we
had
about.
You
know
kind
of
making
those
bathrooms
sort
of
there.
K
They
draw
people
to
either
end
a
pavilion,
there's
a
little
bit
of
more
open
space.
If
you
need
to
wait
a
turn
for
a
bathroom,
but
also
it
means
that
if
you're
using
the
Waterfront
Trail,
it's
really
easy
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
bathrooms
without
having
to
go
through
like
Market
traffic
and
then
at
the
very
end
again
we're
again
talking
about
this
enclosure.
Capping
of
the
of
the
ends
just
to
you
know,
cut
down
some
of
the
Wind.
B
You
all
right,
thank
you
very
much,
Let's,
let's
get
feedback
and
then
I've
got
some
questions
here
at
the
end.
But
you
know
we'll
wait.
Mitch.
E
Okay,
yeah
cool
yeah,
you
know
I
I
think
this
is
the
a
good
direction.
I
feels
more
in
tune
with
the
needs
of
the
the
vendors
and
the
community
use
the
farmers
market,
keeping
the
existing
structure.
I.
Think
we've
talked
a
lot
about
that
I
think
that's
a
good
good
idea,
a
good
move!
E
The
landscape
seems
more
clear
now,
although
I
still
think
it
would
help
to
have
some
on
the
ground
kind
of
before
Afters
I
I'm,
not
convinced
about
moving
that
path
around
the
concrete
infrastructure
building
it
feels
like
to
me
are
swapping
usable
Waterfront
space.
That's
used
Now
by
you,
know,
folks,
with
their
food
and
there's
a
gazebo
there
and
you're
closer
to
the
water
right.
E
You
want
to
be
having
your
food
I
feel
like
closer
to
the
water,
but
you've
replaced
that
with
circulation
right,
you've,
swapped
that
usable
space
and
put
it
closer
to
the
building
and
you've
put
the
circulation
out
by
the
water.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
good
idea
or
not,
but
it
strikes
me
as
curious
and
then
it
what
you're
doing
is
you're.
Moving
that
concrete
building
kind
of
into
the
zone
of
activity.
E
It's
not
a
very
attractive
structure,
so
I
think
you're
going
to
have
to
work
hard
to
make
that
fit
in
I.
Think
there's
some
other
nice
things
happening,
I
like
the
stone
seating
and
how
that
defines
that
kind
of
jagged
edge.
I.
Think
that's
great,
but
yeah.
H
E
Interested
to
know
what
other
people
think
about
that
that
path,
the
change
in
the
path
and
the
proximity
of
the
water
for
folks
I,
it
was
a
little
bit
hard
for
me
to
follow
the
architectural
pieces.
I
was
lost.
To
be
honest,
so
I
would
appreciate
if
that
was
a
little
more
clear
in
the
board
meeting
like
what
view
exactly
where
we
were
looking
at
I
couldn't
tell
honestly.
Abc
was
not
matching
up
with
my
perception
of
the
views
and
I
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
capping.
E
The
enclosures
without
the
Windows
like
I,
understand
what
the
goal
is,
but
it
feels
very
like
you're,
taking
this
really
open
Airy
structure
and
you're
bottling
it
up
in
kind
of
key
locations
and
I
know,
there's
a
programmatic
reason
for
that,
like
that
one
you
know
wish
there
was
more
transparency
in
in
that
just
big
wood,
facade
and
also
with
the
restrooms.
It
feels
like
we've
gone
from
a
very
high
condition
at
the
ends,
especially
at
that
wood
end.
E
Is
it
the
Northern
end
where
you
have
this
kind
of
like
high
space,
which
I've
always
loved
and
you
kind
of
you're
squashing
it
down
into
restrooms
now,
and
that
doesn't
feel
like
the
greatest
move
in
my
opinion,
but
so
just
a
little
bit
more
help
and
understanding
what
those
things
are
in
the
meeting
would
be
great
thanks.
B
Thank
you,
Mitch
from
my
pieces
of
feedback,
I'll
say
it.
It's
more
open
than
I
had
feared,
but
maybe
less
open
than
we
might
want,
and
you
know
I
I
wonder
to
what
extent
we
have
to
figure
that
out
and
I'll
ask
Lisa
here
at
the
end
sort
of
to
try
to
get
my
bearings
on
that,
but
yeah
I
mean
it
feels
a
little
closed
off
more
so
than
I'd
want.
As
far
as
the
circulation
issue
that
Mitch
pointed
out
with
the
Waterfront
Trail.
B
The
thing
that
occurred
to
me
and
I
might
be
the
only
person
on
Earth
who
thinks
this
is
a
good
idea,
so
bear
that
in
mind
is
that
that
could
be
a
way
to
activate
this
fire
lane,
slash
Promenade,
that
by
itself
doesn't
really
make
sense.
B
You
know
you
have
pedestrian
oriented
routing
next
to
the
Farmers
Market,
on
the
parking
lot
side
that
you
have
to
keep
empty
for
fire
lane
purposes
anyway,
and
if
you
could
move
some
of
the
Waterfront
Trail
circulation
to
activate
that
and
then
have
something
that
was
more
stationary
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
not
circulation,
oriented
on
the
actual
Waterfront
side
of
the
farmer's
market.
I,
wonder
if
you
don't
end
up
in
a
lot
better
place
now
that
involves
pulling
the
Waterfront
Trail
away
from
the
Waterfront.
B
So
I
can
only
imagine
how
popular
that'll
be,
but
it
seems
to
me
the
natural
fit.
You
have
a
big
flat,
safe,
broad
place
for
trail
type.
Activities
to
go,
I
would
just
put
those
there
and
then
I
would
hear
feedback
from
Lisa
and
then
I.
Just
I
I
have
some
process
confusion
that
I'm
hoping
we
can
sort
out
this
meeting.
C
I,
like
some
of
the
changes
very
much
I
as
Mitch
brought
that
up.
You
know,
I
I
started
thinking
about
how
the
farmers
market
isn't
accessible
and
you're,
making
all
these
changes
to
provide
more
accessibility
and
easier
for
people
with
mobility
issues,
but
that
trail
right
there
and
the
informal
dining
area
that
is
currently.
You
know
that
there's
got
to
be
some
way
for
people.
C
There's
got
to
be
a
place,
that's
except
more
accessible
for
sitting
right
now.
We
don't
really
have
that
I,
don't
see
it,
maybe
I'm
not
seeing
it.
It
would
be
good
to
think
about
that.
C
How
to
make
a
place
that
is
or
I
mean
the
whole
site
should
be
designed
to
be
accessible
really,
but
like
that,
you
know
for
having
the
trail
and
then
these
block
things
I,
like
that,
as
a
way
of
you
know
connecting
people
to
the
water,
but
it's
not
accessible,
so
you
know
think
about
how
to
balance
that
and
then
we
keep
I
hope
you've
talked
to
the
fire
department.
We
keep
hearing
that
you
cannot
have
parking
on
the
backside
of
the
on
that
side
of
the
fire
lane.
C
That
has
to
be
on
the
other
side
for
fire
access.
That
is
what
I've
heard
from
them.
I
hope
you
have
a
conversation
with
them
and
sort
that
out,
because
you
know
that's
just
what
they've
said.
So
those
are
my
comments
right
now.
B
And
then
process
wise,
you
know
I,
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
in
the
in
the
last
meeting.
We
have
these
three
phases
of
project
the
first
phase.
Being
the
parking
lot
is
the
thing
that
happens
first
and
that
you
know
by
virtue
of
tone
in
the
last
meeting
and
by
virtue
of
looking
at
this
before
before
it
went
away
for
a
while.
The
parking
lot
feels
super
baked
I
mean
I,
feel,
like
you
know,
I
could
we
we
could
get
approval
on
the
parking
lot
really
fast.
B
That
was
the
only
thing
we
were
looking
at
and
that
would
unstop
you,
but
then
there's
all
this
other
stuff
that
we've
got
to
figure
out.
That
to
me
does
not
feel
particularly
close.
You
know
just
because
it's
big
and
complicated
and
important,
and
so
what's
the
minimum
standard
Lisa
on
the.
C
C
You
have
to
look
at
all
the
changes
and
see
if
they
have
an
impact
on
Seeker.
So
does
this
require
fire
reopening
Seeker?
My
initial
reaction
is
no
because
it's
smaller
than
the
previous
one,
but
I
think
you
have
to
you
have
to
make
that
determination
in
sort
of
a
public
way,
whether
it's
in
a
resolution
or
discussion
on
the
floor,
that's
number
one,
then
the
number
two
is
like
so
okay,
so
the
parking
lot
you're
not
suggesting
any
changes
that
we're
at
least
talking
about.
C
Well,
we
have
to
talk
about,
but
I
mean
the
site
has
to
function
as
a
whole.
So
we
have
to
get
to
a
point
where
you
can
do
you
know
preliminary
approval
for
the
whole
site,
and
that
is
the
layout
of
the
major
site-
features
the
building
the
you
know
the
foot.
You
know
where
everything
is
the
major
elements
get
a
trail
move
here
or
there.
Yes,
could
some
Landscaping
change
here
or
there?
Yes,
but
you
know
this
is
a.
This
is
a
project
that
is
unlike
many
of
your
projects.
C
Footprint
has
to
be
in
baked
before
we
can
Grant
final
approval
to
any
phase
of
it,
and
so
that
does
get
into
some
of
the
things
you
were
talking
about
about
wanting
to
understand
more
about
these
extensions
and-
and
you
know
how
that
works,
I
think
the
the
the
extent
you
know,
I,
think
those
elements
of
the
site
layout
have
to
be
determined
before
we
can
do
preliminary
approval
of
the
whole
thing.
Does
the
openness
of
the
building
only
to
the
EXT
I?
C
Don't
think
so,
but
to
the
extent
that
it's
needed
for
the
building
footprint,
you
know
that
the
design
of
the
how
exactly
those
ends
look
could
be
another
phase,
and
you
know
that
might
be
good
too,
because
it's
this
is
going
to
be
a
long
implementation
process
right
and
so
the
people
might
change
what
they
want.
So
I'd
get
as
I
mean.
C
Very
well
happen
that
you
come.
You
know
we
do
preliminary
for
the
whole
thing
and
then,
two
years
later,
the
farmers
market
comes
back
and
wants
to
make
some
changes,
which
is
fine.
That
always
happens,
but
but
you
know
the
location
of
the
trail.
The
footprint
of
the
building,
the
layout
of
the
parking
lot,
the
fire
access,
those
things
have
to
be
I,
would
say
more
or
less
settle
to
do
preliminary
for
the
whole
site,
and
then
we
can
break
it
into
cases.
Did
that
answer
your
question?
Yeah.
B
I
mean
I
think
that's
super
useful
information
for
me
and
hopefully
for
the
applicant
I'll
say
that
means
we're
further
from
preliminary
approval
than
I
feel
like
we
ought
to
be
given,
what's
actually
going
to
happen
first,
but
if
that's
the
process,
that's
the
process,
we'll
just
work
through
it
anything
else,
board,
staff
or
applicant.
M
Rob
yeah
I,
just
I
I,
have
a
question
because
you
know,
as
you
know,
this
has
this
has
so
many
layers
because
in
the
meantime,
we're
trying
to
operate
a
market
that
supports
hundreds
of
businesses
and
and
then
the
construction
has
to
happen.
M
The
market
isn't
happening,
or
you
know,
happened
during
the
week
so
that
we
can
operate
on
the
weekend
and
I'm
just
wondering,
based
on
on
where
you
you
are
at
right
now
what
you
perceive
if
we
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
we
try
to
address
the
issues
that
you've
brought
up
today.
What
do
you
see
as
being
a
best
case
scenario
for
us
being
actually
ready
to
go
forward
so
that
we
could
see
if
it's
possible
to
start
doing
some
things?
M
This
fall
this
winter,
you
know
I
just
it
would
help
for
the
timeline
to
have
some
idea
of
how
how
much
more
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
have
you
be
able
to
sign
off
on
us
moving
forward.
No.
B
I'm
I'm
sensitive
to
that
I
mean
that's
part
of
the
reason.
I
raised
the
issue.
The
way
I
did
and
I'll
also
say
that
I,
don't
necessarily
have
any
particularly
useful
insight
into
timing.
I
mean
that's
that
that's
why
that's
I
mean
and
I
trust
Lisa's
judgment
on
this,
and
if
she
says
that
these
are
the
the
boxes
we
need
to
take
to
move
forward.
You
know
she's
right,
you
know
and
I
think
the
question
is:
how
quickly
can
we?
You
know
we,
including
the
applicant,
you
know,
work
together
to
tick.
Those
boxes.
B
C
I
mean
I
think
it's
as
quickly
quickly
as
you
can
respond
to
some
of
the
things
that
the
board
is
saying.
You
know,
then
it
becomes
a
conversation
and
basically
you
know
a
conversation
back
and
forth,
and
so
again
the
building
footprint
is
the
most
important
thing,
I
think
and
the
out
of
the
layout
of
the
landscape
and
the
fire
access.
You
really
need
to
do
that,
because
that
might
have
implications
for
some
other
things
you
want
to
do
on
the
site.
C
K
C
C
Like
I've
had
recent,
but
you
know
the
song
is
we
can
document
that
that's.
K
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
yeah
yeah
we
met
with
Keith
Parsons
quite
some
time
ago,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
it
works
to
have
the
fire
access
related
the
front
and
still
allow
the
parking
in
the
back
is
because
and
part
of,
the
reason
for
the
enclosure
of
the
club
story.
And
the
end
is
because
the
building
will
be
sprinkler.
J
C
K
That
the
Promenade
area
is
the
firework
okay.
K
Thought
yeah
and
it's
acceptable
that
for
the
building,
that
would
be
the
fire
lane,
as
opposed
to
needing
a
secondary
fire
lane
on
the
waterfront
side
of
the
building.
And
the
reason
for
that
is
is
in
part
because
the
buildings
is
going
to
be
sprinkler.
K
B
Anything
else
today
seeing
none.
Thank
you
to
the
applicant
look
forward
to
seeing
you
in
a
couple
weeks,
and
you
know
we
certainly
want
to
help
you
move
forward
great.
J
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
J
So
our
project
team
has
came
to
the
board
a
few
months
ago,
I
think
sometime
last
year
and
have
shown
you
some
preliminary
sign
for
the
series
signage,
but
we
wanted
to
bring
you
an
updated
package
of
what
we're
currently
thinking
and
to
get
your
initial
comments
on
that
we're
hoping
to
get
on
track
on
BCA
approvals,
because
some
of
the
signs
were
proposing
will
need
variances,
and
today
we
have
Sarah
Hayes
and
Bruce
here,
and
they
are
our
client
for
the
conference
center
and
the
Estuary
residential
building.
J
We
also
have
British
Shoemaker,
which
is
there
the
sign
designer
on
our
team
and
Michelle
Palmer.
Is
my
colleague
Edwardo
right?
J
Okay,
so
we
try
to
separate
this
into
two
packages.
One
is
for
the
conference
center.
Two
is
for
the
residential
because
they
will
be
considered
separately.
As
you
know,
two
different
businesses
and
it'd
be
easier
for
you
to
understand
what
we're
proposing
for
each
package,
so
in
the
first
one
we
are
proposing
is
primarily
for
the
pre
for
the
conference
center
on
the
first
floor
and
second
floor,
and
the
code
allows
us
to
have
two
signs
each
under
50
square
feet.
J
J
Thank
you
so
for
sine
a
this,
it
will
look
like
something
like
this,
but
the
the
rendering
itself
is
a
little
deceptive
but
in
reality,
will
be
perpendicular
to
the
ability
itself.
So
the
running
just
to
show
you
what
it
really
looks
like
if
you're
facing
it
and
it
will
be
under
50
square
feet,
but
it
is
currently
projecting
over
the
public
right-of-way.
So
we
may
need
a
variance
for
that.
J
The
second
sign
this
will
be
on
the
East
Green
Street
Facing
East,
Green
Street,
and
this
sign
will
be
backlit
and
is
currently
proposed
football
over
50
square
feet.
So
we
will
be
needing
a
bearings
for
this
sign,
but
this
is
the
main
entrance
going
to
our
conference
center.
J
And
here
are
some
design
details
of
them.
We
have
our
signage
designer
on
the
team.
If
you
have
any
specific
question,
please
feel
free
to
ask
and
the
vanilla
logo
signs
that
we
talked
about
earlier.
We
understand
that
each
winner
will
need
a
variance
so
we're
very
carefully
considering
how
many
we're
putting
in
for
each
entrance,
apparently
just
one
at
retail
at
the
entrance
and
one
at
the
residential
entrance.
J
And
those
are
the
placeholder
for
the
retail
Center
will
be
presented
to
the
board
in
the
later
phase,
but
we
wanted
to
show
it
to
you
where
we
are
the
location
itself.
So
this
is
the
corner
of
City
Hall
and
the
East
Green
Street.
J
And
then
we're
going
to
explain
a
little
bit
more
for
the
residential
package,
so
we
understand
the
residential
allows
to
signs
as
well
each
Under
12
square
feet,
so
we're
going
we're
okay
in
terms
of
square
footage,
but
here
is
where
the
sign
will
be
so
sign.
J
Number
B
will
be
projecting
over
the
island
weight
right
here
and
then
assign
C
is
the
resident
entrance
that
is
going
to
be
on
the
door
up
here,
and
this
is
a
little
concept
for
the
sign,
we'll
be
projecting
over
Alleyway
and
we,
although
we're
under
12,
feet
square
feet,
we
may
need
to
ask
that
there
is,
if
we're
going
over
18
inches
over
the
public
right
away.
We're
angry.
I
J
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Mitch.
E
Yeah
thanks
I
know
this
is
going
to
take
up
an
hour
and
a
half
of
our
time
at
the
board
meeting,
but
just
Mike
my
two
cents
I'm
a
little
confused
honestly
because
we
saw
this
I
don't
know
a
couple
months
ago,
I
feel
like
we
had
all
this
input
on
some
signs.
I
thought
we're
looking
pretty
good.
This
is
totally
different,
like
the
blade
sign
on
the
corner.
I
didn't
think
we
were
going
that
way.
E
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
the
attached
horizontal
sign
that
wrapped
the
corner,
which
I
thought
was
really
nice,
but
that's
been
scrapped.
Apparently
I
thought
we
talked
that
that
was
a
good
direction.
Now,
there's
a
blade
sign,
that's
pretty
crude!
To
be
honest
with
you,
I
think
it
looks
just
bolted
on
there
and
I
don't
feel
it's
like
it's
integrated
into
the
architecture
very
well,
so
a
little
bit
bummed
about
that.
The
other
sign
the
main
entry
sign.
Can
you
scroll
down
one.
J
E
Yeah
slide
four
can't
see
it
yeah,
the
the
that
looks
not
very
sharp
to
me.
The
the
letters
look
too
big
for
the
amount
of
architectural
space
you're,
putting
it
on
it's
a
very
kind
of
crude
font.
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
this
either
so
I
I,
don't
know.
I
was
hoping
for
something
a
little
bit
better.
The
retail
stuff
looks
fine.
The
residential
stuff
looks
okay
to
me.
I
Maybe
we'll
let
once
you
get
through
the
comments
Sarah
from
the
conference
center
team.
Maybe
can
address
those
questions
but
we'll
let
you
get
through
the
rest
of
your
conversation.
E
The
other
thing
was
sorry,
just
one
more
comment:
the
the
light
blue
I
think
it's
on
Slide
six.
Maybe
you
go
down
to
six
yeah,
not
a
big
fan
of
that
color
I,
don't
know!
If
that's
what
that
is,
but
I
it's
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
that
that,
like
ocean
blue.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
want
to
Echo
what
Mitch
Mitch
has
said
here
most
from
a
process
perspective
and
then
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
B
You
know,
I,
think
your
Alleyway
signs
are
fun
and
bright
and
I
think
that
that's
a
place
where
we
can
get
away
with
letting
things
be
a
little
louder,
because
it's
a
private
Alleyway
that
could
stand
to
do
with
some
light
and
activation
right.
Like
that's,
that's
fine,
your
primary
signs,
you
know
the
blade,
the
main
blade
sign
and
your
main
entrance
sign
to
me
look
not
great
and
a
step
back
from
what
we
have
seen
in
the
previous
package
and
disappointing,
given
the
time
and
effort
spent
on
that.
B
C
I,
don't
really
have
anything
to
add
I
do
think
it's
a
the
signage
is
really
large.
I.
Think
there's
not
like
you're
gonna
have
to
cut
to
trying
to
find
the
conference
center
in
between
you
know
it's
not
like
a
super.
It's
Urban,
but
you're.
It's
the
conference
center.
It's
going
to
be
very
obvious,
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
be
quite
that
large
and
could
still
be.
You
know
really
reflective
of
the
community
too.
C
I
think
we
want
to
also
continue
to
look
at
the
light
levels
of
all
these
signs,
with
the
logos,
narrow
lighted
and
the
sign.
The
letters
are
lighted
and
even
the
backlighted
letters.
We
love
that
aesthetic,
but
once
you
have
bigger
and
bigger
signs,
you're,
just
having
light
go
everywhere
and
the
doors
I
think
you
know
it's
great
I
think
it's
just
it's
a
lot.
It
could
be
just
signs
on
the
doors.
I
think
that
would
be
great,
so
yeah.
It
is
a
lot
different
than
we've
talked
about
before.
I
I
I
was
just
going
to
say
Sarah's
here
from
conference
center
committee,
team
and
I
know
they've
been
having
many
many
discussions
getting
to
this
point
and
Sarah.
If
you
I
mean
you
might
provide
some
feedback
and
commentary
and
then
we
can
regroup
after
this.
H
I
think,
a
few
months
ago
we
had
presented
two
options
for
the
this
large
Corner
sign
one
actually
applied
to
the
building
over
the
storefront
right
and
then
the
blade
sign,
as
we
saw
the
building
coming
up
out
of
the
ground.
Getting
up
to
you
know
stories.
Four
and
above
we
were
concerned
that
the
wall
mounted
sign
above
the
storefront
wouldn't
be
seen
as
you're
coming
down.
Green
Street.
It
was
kind
of
constructed
by
City,
Hall,
but
I
think
that
was
the
only
concern
between
that
and
the
blade
sign.
H
H
So
what
the
LBC
was
hoping
for
was
they
liked
the
the
backlit
letters-
and
this
was
tentatively
a
placeholder
for
the
name
of
the
building,
but
it
definitely
the
scale
of
it
can
definitely
be
shrunk
down
quite
a
bit,
so
they
did
like
the
two
levels.
The
Ithaca
downtown
as
one
line
and
Conference
Center
is
the
second
line.
They,
like
the
logo
there,
but
I
think
scale
wise.
It
could
definitely
be
shrunk
down
a
bit.
B
All
right
I
mean
that
sounds
like
you
know,
a
willingness
to
engage
which
I
always
appreciate
and
I'm
curious
to
see
how
this
lands
with
the
board.
Hopefully
this
was
some
useful
feedback
in
this
meeting.
H
I
think
the
one
other
thing
if
I
can
just
jump
in
that
the
vinyl
signage
has
not
been
confirmed.
Yet
this
is
the
blue
on
the
transoms.
This
is
probably
going
to
get
deleted
out.
I,
don't
this
has
never
been
required
by
the
LDC
I
think.
The
only
thing
they
would
probably
like
to
see
is
the
gray,
the
vinyl
on
the
door,
possibly
that
says
at
the
downtown
Conference
Center,
but
the
blue
was
that'll,
be
going
away.
That'll
get
deleted
great.
C
B
L
All
right,
let's
have
it
now,
so
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today
we're
going
to
be
presenting
on
the
Outlook
at
815
South
Aurora
Street,
as
we
pursue
in
a
revised
site
plan
approval
for
the
project
I
have
here
today
with
me.
We
should
have
Russ
Riddell
from
bism
as
well
and
Michelle
and
Jacob
from
with
of
design
foreign.
L
So
the
Outlook,
as
many
of
you
know,
was
constructed
with
elements
of
site
work
that
deviated
from
the
original
approved
plans
were
aware.
There
are
some
changes
that
needed
to
be
made,
and
we
will
work
to
do
so
in
order
to
receive
our
final
site
plan
approval.
The
elements
are
outlined
on
this
slide
that
we
plan
to
address
and
change
based
on
the
asphalt
conditions.
L
N
We
are
so
good
afternoon,
everyone
we
were
contacted
by
the
folks
at
bism
to
understand
the
situation
and
the
the
deviations
from
the
approved
plans.
We
walk
to
the
site
with
them
and
we
feel
like.
We
have
some
realistic
and
sensible
solutions
for
for
the
issues
here.
So
we
will
continue
to
work
with
them
and
plan
on
submitting
drawings
next
week
for
your
consideration.
L
Great,
thank
you
so
just
to
highlight
the
four
main
areas
that
we
will
be
addressing
with
Witham.
The
areas
of
the
site
are
shown
in
their
as
vote
condition
and
the
Drone
shot
of
this
slide,
so
we've
broken
them
down
into
four
Focus
areas
to
simplify
the
process.
L
The
first
area
that
we
will
address
is
this
walkway
and
ramp
between
buildings,
B
and
C,
as
well
as
the
main
parking
lot
you
can
see
on
the
left.
The
original
and
approved
design
included
a
Switchback
on
the
ramp
that
was
eliminated
in
the
current
asvote
condition.
So
we
plan
to
work
with
with
them
to
redesign
this
walkway
and
parking
lot
entrance
to
meet
ADA
requirements
and
include
a
design
that
is
approvable
by
the
planning
board.
L
L
The
second
area
is
the
courtyard
between
buildings,
A
and
B,
you'll,
see
on
the
left.
The
original
design
included
a
grass
lawn
area
on
the
left,
rectangular
section
of
the
courtyard.
This
was
replaced
with
Synthetic
Turf,
as
you
can
see.
On
the
right
hand,
side
this
turf
was
improperly
installed
in
the
original
take,
so
we
plan
to
work
with
with
them
again
to
come
up
with
a
plan
and
design
that
will
incorporate
the
Synthetic
Turf
in
a
more
appropriate
manner.
L
L
The
changes
that
were
made
include
the
wall
blocks.
You
can
see
along
the
stair
that
we
will
work
with
with
them
to
redesign
around
or
replace
the
blocks
and
I'm
hoping
to
get
your
feedback
on
that
today.
We
also
plan
to
finish
the
sidewalk
extension
to
the
main
sidewalk
and
design
and
install
Landscaping
that
works
with
the
proposed
amended
plan
separately.
We
are
also
working
with
DOT
to
get
final
approvals
on
the
Firelink
entrance
shown
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
this
image
as
built.
L
The
final
area
of
focus
is
this
upper
parking
lot.
This
is
set
high
above
the
site
on
the
top
section.
Originally,
we
came
with
a
plan
to
do
this
in
Asphalt,
it
included
30
parking
spaces,
the
asbo
condition,
and
what
we
would
propose
to
keep
is
a
compacted
gravel
finish.
We
would
use
curb
stops
to
delineate
the
parking
spaces,
keeping
the
same
number
of
parking
spaces
up
in
this
parking
lot
and
finish.
The
gravel
grading
as
well.
L
Just
to
show
another
angle
of
this
upper
parking
lot
for
context.
It's
just
like
I,
said
far
above
in
the
upper
left
corner
of
the
site,
so
it's
not
at
all
visible
from
96b
or
any
of
the
public
sidewalks
along
that
road.
So
we
believe
that
changing
this
to
gravel
will
have
a
minimal
impact
on
the
site
and
then,
finally,
just
to
overview
a
few
other
site
plan
items.
The
first
I'd
like
to
highlight
is
the
main
driveway
highlighted
here.
L
This
is
still
to
be
completed
as
approved,
but
is
under
construction
shortly
this
summer.
The
light
on
the
drop
gate,
arms
that
delineate
the
fire
lane
from
96b
have
lights
on
the
arm
that
we've
heard
feedback
are
brighter
than
they
should
be.
These
are
easy
to
turn
off
the
lights
on
the
arms
themselves.
If
that's
preferable
to
the
board
will
be
looking
for
feedback
on
that,
but
there
are
also
lights
on
the
stands
themselves
of
the
drop
arm,
Gates
that
are
integrated
as
a
safety
measure,
so
those
will
have
to
remain
regardless
and
then.
L
So
here,
as
Michelle
mentioned
earlier,
just
to
outline
our
next
steps,
we
do
plan
to
bring
design
drawings
to
the
July
planning
board
meeting
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
These
outline
a
few
of
the
submittals
we
plan
to
have
at
that
point
and
then
just
to
mention
again
that
we
are
continuing
the
ongoing
site
work,
including
the
building
C
areas,
the
bio
retention,
Pond,
all
planter
installations,
completion
of
the
driveway
and
the
fire
lane
entrance.
This
work
is
happening
simultaneously,
and
that
concludes
our
presentation.
Thank
you.
All.
B
Right,
we'll
get
feedback.
I'm
gonna
go
first,
this
time,
it's
incredibly
frustrating
for
the
board
to
receive
a
request
to
approve
changes
that
have
already
been
made.
It
is
just
not
a
great
way
to
have
this
conversation
to
make
this
conversation
as
productive
as
possible
in
a
couple
weeks.
B
I
think
there's,
you
know
some
things
that
could
be
made
more
clear,
so
perhaps
we
could
Circle
the
things
that
are
going
to
be
completed
as
approved
in
a
different
color
than
the
things
that
are
going
to
be
changed
rather
than
just
have
red
everywhere
and
especially
on
change
group
number
three:
it's
not
entirely
clear,
what's
being
changed
right,
you
know
one
two
and
four
I
think
are
more
or
less
figure
out
about
three
I
find
very
confusing,
and
so
you
know
if
we
could,
we
could
make
that
a
little
bit
more
obvious.
B
D
N
My
understanding
is
that,
once
once
the
buildings
came
up
and
the
site
was
being
developed,
it
became
clear
that
it
was
a
very
shaded
area.
It
was
going
to
be
difficult
to
grow
grass
and
then
there's
actually
no
access
for
a
mower
unless
you
were
to
bring
it
through
a
building.
N
So
in
the
end,
this
the
Synthetic
Turf
does
seem
like
a
fairly
sensible
solution,
but
the
way
it
was
installed,
it's
not
a
proper
material
for
this
use
it's
more
of
a
residential,
and
it's
also
not
installed
with
the
base
and
drainage,
and
things
like
that.
That
would
be
required.
B
Okay,
I
think
that's
all
I
have
Mitch.
E
Yeah
I
mean
I,
agree
Rob.
Overall,
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
frustrating.
It
seems
like
there's
a
bit
of
a
breakdown
in
the
process
here
and
I.
Understand
that
you
know,
construction
projects
are
going
fast
and
they're
chaotic
and
things
get
built.
You
know
quickly
and
you
just
have
to
move
forward,
but
this
does.
This
particular
project
seems
like
more
confusing
than
others
in
terms
of
that
workflow.
So
I'm
not
sure
why
all
of
these
happened.
E
That
said,
it
looks
like
the
developer
is
trying
to
make
a
concerted
effort
to
correct
these
things
and
be
clear
about
the
corrections.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
I
agree
Rob,
that
those
things
could
be
made
more
clear,
especially
this
number
three
I
have
no
comment
about
the
blocks,
because
I
cannot
really
understand
at
all
what
you're
asking
for
here
or
what
we're
talking
about.
Is
it
the
material
of
the
blocks?
The
number
of
blocks
the
size
of
the
blocks?
E
I,
don't
know
what
the
issues
are
here
in
terms
of
the
other
particulars
the
upper
parking
lot.
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
one
or
I'm,
not
sure
what
number
that
was,
but
you've
replaced
asphalt,
which
was
approved
with
gravel.
E
That
seems
to
me
like
unacceptable,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
mean
if
we
approved
an
asphalt
parking
lot,
which
is
what
parking
lots
are
typically
made
of
for
longevity
and
reduction
of
dust
and
for
a
lot
of
other
reasons
that
I
don't
see
why
we
would
approve
compacted
gravel
here.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
I
drove
by
this
project
a
day
ago,
and
they,
the
front-facing
sort
of
feeling
of
the
project,
is
not
good.
E
I
mean
it
needs
a
lot
of
work
to
get
that
Landscaping
to
really
work
and
the
soil
conditions.
Don't
look
great,
I
hope,
you're,
bringing
in
tons
of
new
soil
for
plant
mediums
behind
the
retaining
wall
and
between
the
buildings.
It
just
needs
a
lot
of
work
to
me
and
I
hope
that
that
is
embedded
in
this
revision
to
the
site
plan.
I,
don't
have
any
opinion
about
the
lighting
I.
E
Don't
I
don't
understand
that
issue
with
the
with
the
pull
arm,
but
you
know
just
having
that
fire
lane
access
is
rough
to
begin
with
and
the
huge
retaining
wall.
So
a
lot
of
landscape
I
think
that's
what
we
approve.
That's
what
we're
looking
for
and
that's
what
I
would
like
to
see
in
the
next
steps.
B
Thanks
Mitch
I
think
that
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
agree
with
all
of
that.
That
sounds
bang
on.
N
M
B
I
definitely
want
to
hear
from
Lisa
too,
and
then
this
isn't
necessarily
a
conversation
for
today,
but
I
just
want
to.
You
know,
make
it
clear
to
everyone.
B
When
we
go
to
the
meeting
a
couple
weeks
from
now,
I'm
gonna
ask
Lisa
to
make
it
clear
to
the
board
what
our
rights
and
responsibilities
and
obligations
here
are
to
make
sure
the
board
is
fully
empowered
to
help
this
be
whatever
it
ought
to
be,
and
I
just
want
us
to
all
be
excited
about
that
and
I'm
excited
to
hear
right
now
from
from
Lisa
and
her
feedback
on
the
project.
C
Yeah
Catherine,
can
you
go
to
I
guess
it's
three.
C
So
this
is
the
area
personally
that
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
board
that
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
area
and
the
original
walkway
was
a
I
mean
it
was
in
basically
the
same
location,
but
it
had.
You
know
it
had
like
a
delicate
railing
along
the
side
of
it.
It
didn't
have
a
big
retaining
wall,
and
so
what
was
really
important
about
this
side-
and
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
it-
was
screening
the
building
from
the
neighbor.
C
So
there
was
a
a
tree
planting
that
went
along
the
side
of
that
and
just
want
to
remind
you,
because
again
anybody
could
go
back
and
look
at
the
the
videos
and
read
the
notes,
and
that
was
I'm
concerned
about
being
able
to
fulfill
that
obligation
of
screening.
For
for
the
neighbor
with
this
much
bigger
heavier
wall,
is
there
enough
room
for
the
original
plantings
and
I
guess?
Michelle
can
talk
about
that.
N
That
is
actually
one
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
as,
as
you
know,
we're
we're
coming
into
this
as
an
as-built
condition,
rather
than
as
a
design
and
these
blocks.
It
seems
to
us
that
some
of
them
are
probably
acceptable
to
remain,
but
trying
to
understand
how
much
is
acceptable
and
how
much
could
remain
and
be
screened
with
some
plantings.
N
There
isn't
a
lot
of
room
for
screening
here,
but
there
is
some
and
I
think
that
we
would
go
back
and
look
at
the
original
plans
and
try
to
include
as
much
as
the
landscape
as
as
was
proposed.
But
the
big
question
I
think
we
have
is
we're
we're
uncertain
if
any
of
the
blocks
are
acceptable
to
remain
or
if
it's
your
expectation
that
it
be
something
more
like
the
original
drawings
I.
C
B
Yeah
I
would
Echo
Lisa
there
I
think
that
the
the
totality
of
the
changes
not
just
in
plan
need
to
be
made
very
explicit.
B
And
yeah
I
I,
don't
think
we
know
in
this
room
today.
What
the
ultimate
takeaways
are
I
will
say
that
you
know
I,
don't
think
that
this
particular
part
is
going
to
be
received
warmly.
D
C
B
C
B
Right
that
seems
like
all
for
today,
I
expect
this
will
be
very
interesting
in
the
full
room.
B
C
Right
so
thanks
very
much
Sam.
C
D
And
June
right
should
have
those
ready
for
you
in
time
and
then
we
start
out
site
plan
reviews
with
a
project
that
we
just
finished
with
815
South,
Aurora
consideration
of
site
plan
changes.
E
C
E
C
D
C
D
Sure,
okay
I'll
highlight
those
for
later
all
right.
Any
anything
else
on
this.
D
Wonderful
and.
D
B
D
D
D
We
don't
have
any
bza
appeals
for
recommendations,
because
there's
no
August
bza
meeting
yeah.
C
C
This
is
the
first
phase
of
the
project
or
the
second
phase,
and
one
of
the
things
that
changed
was
that
they
never
got
permission
or
worked
out
appropriate
permission
from
the
adjacent
property
owner
to
have
the
bus
go
through
the
property
onto
the
next
property
and
and
so
they've
built
it,
but
they
also
made
adjustments
to
the
site
plan
so
that
the
bus
can
go
to
the
end
and
turn
around
and
go
back
out,
Third
Street.
C
B
C
E
B
E
E
D
E
B
Think
it's
hard
to
punish
an
applicant
for
an
intransigent
neighbor,
which
strikes
me
is
what
might
be
happening
here
but
yeah.
Maybe
we
have
to
look
at
it.
Maybe
just
maybe
we
just
have
to
see
it.
E
I
think
we
should
I
can't
tcat
in
the
city
I
mean
this
is
like
a
this.
Is
a
city
transportation
issue
circulation,
get
our
public
transit
right
and
that
doesn't
sound
right
to
me.
What's
the
solution
is.
C
Not
wanting
to
we.
B
C
C
E
E
Camping
that
night
in
Maine
good
for
you,
I
I,
wish
I
could
be
there
because
these
are
but
I
mean
I.
Guess
you
have
my
comments
so,
but
I
really
am
going
to
miss
the
conversation
about
all
these
because
they're
all
really
important
and
interesting.
I.
C
D
E
Ative
Wi-Fi,
so
so
sorry,
apologies.
D
Yeah
I
hope
so
I,
yes,
I,
believe
so,
but
I'll
double
check.