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A
This
is
the
September
8th
meeting
of
the
planning
and
development
boards
project
Review
Committee
we'll
do
quick
introductions,
I'm
Rob,
Lewis,
Daniel.
A
C
I'm
Mike
barnoski,
with
trade
design,
build
I'm
the
architect
in
charge
of
the
project
representing
the
client.
They
basically
have
an
existing
garage
on-site-
probably
you
know,
maybe
original
to
the
property
or
close
to
age
in
the
house.
C
It's
sort
of
structurally
extremely
compromised.
You
know,
I'm
almost
surprised,
it's
still
standing
honestly,
and
so
they
they
are
they've
wanted
to
they.
They
initially
wanted
to
convert
it
to
an
accessory
dwelling
accessory
apartment,
but
with
a
structural
evaluation
we
determined
that
it
really
wasn't
suitable,
and
so
the
plan
now
is
to
demolish
the
existing
structure
and
basically
rebuild
a
similarly
sized
structure
to
hold
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
C
It's
basically
a
small
living
space
with
a
kitchenette
and
a
bathroom
and
then
a
lofted
second
floor
bedroom
over
a
storage
space
that
faces
the
street
that
they'll
use
for
just
you
know
to
replace
sort
of
the
function
that
the
garage
is
holding
now,
which
is
storage
for
some
of
their
miscellaneous
stuff,
canoe,
all
that
kind
of
residential
stuff.
So
you
know,
we've
kept
a
large
french
door
on
the
street
facing
facade
to
sort
of
mimic
the
existing
opening.
C
That's
there
so
that
the
storage
space
didn't
feel
you
know
like,
like
the
road
was
sort
of
closed
down
and
other
than
that.
You
know
we're
sort
of
proposing
a
a
natural,
large
siding
to
sort
of
complement
the
house,
a
shingle
roof
there'll,
be
black
black
windows
and
doors,
and
the
project
required
a
a
couple
of
variances
that
we
received
I.
Think
in
July.
C
We
needed
a
variance
for
lot
coverage
just
because
the
existing
structure
and
the
house
were
already
over
the
allowable
lot
coverage,
and
then
we
needed
a
few
setback.
Variances.
The
existing
house
is
already
in
the
rear
yard
set
back
and
the
existing
structure
didn't
meet
the
setback
requirements
for
accessory
dwelling
units.
So
you
know,
because
we
weren't
sort
of
substantially
changing
the
the
bulk
and
mass
of
the
existing
structure.
I
think
the
the
zoning
board
felt
like
it
wasn't
an
extreme
ask
to
just
get
these
area
variances,
so
those
were
granted.
C
They
were
supportive
of
the
project
yeah,
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
get
a
special
permit
for
the
dwelling
and
start
construction
in
October.
Ideally
great.
B
Sorry
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
it's
actually
it's
going
to
be
a
special
permit
for
an
accessory
apartment.
Just
so
everyone
knows
that's
what
it
is
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
Oh,
but
that
can
all
happen
at
once,
right,
okay,
so,
generally
speaking,
this
kind
of
thing
receives
a
fairly
warm
reception
at
the
board
level.
You
know
the
board
is
generally
supportive
of
accessory
Apartments
this
one,
especially
replacing
an
existing
dilapidated
structure
in
roughly
the
same
location
in
footprint
like
that.
That
to
me
seems
like
it's
not
going
to
arouse
any
controversy
at
all.
There's
a
lot
of
actions
to
take
at
once.
Right,
like
we've,
got
four
actions.
A
Four
votes
on
this
and
like
when
you
have
that
many
actions
just
cranking
through
what
you
got
to
do
in
an
efficient
way
and
not
getting
tripped
up
over
yourself,
is
kind
of
the
task
so
I
before
I
check
in
with
Daniel
and
basil
I
want
to
check
in
with
you.
Is
there
anything
that,
when
we
dig
into
this
in
the
room
that
we're
gonna
see
that's
gonna,
make
us
want
to
dig
into
like?
Is
there
anything
we
need
to
prep
for
to
make
sure
that
we're
ready
to
discuss?
Okay.
A
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
feel
like
we've
done
our
due
diligence
and
have
crossed
all
the
t's
and
dotted
all
the
eyes.
I
mean
we
went
through
the
initial
multi
group
review
before
we.
You
know
we
met
with
the
I.
Think
it's
you
know
the
planning
somebody
from
planning
somebody
from
zoning
somebody
from
codes.
C
You
know
we
met
with
that
group
and
they
sort
of
plotted
our
course
for
us.
We've
been
sort
of
negotiating
the
zoning
requirements
and
and
support
with
Megan,
pretty
pretty
detailed.
All
along
I
mean
the
building
Department's
seen
it.
You
know
the
only
like
the
only
tricky
part
about
the
project
is
just
a
rated
a
rated
wall,
because
the
the
rear
wall
of
the
structure
is
zero
lot
line,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
have
any
openings
on
the
back
wall
and
that's
a
one
hour
rated
assembly.
C
A
C
I,
don't
know
so
just
crossing
my
fingers.
If
anything
jumps
out
at
you
guys.
You
know
we
still
have
a
little
bit
of
time.
F
Again
very
interesting,
I
would
I
would
be
curious
to
know
what
the
variances
are,
why
there
are
a
lot
of
them
and
what
the
would
be
the
details
of
them
are.
D
G
C
Right
so
for
the
variants,
let
me
see,
I
got
the
I
got
the
findings
here.
The
maximum
lot
coverage
by
buildings
permitted
an
r2b
district
is
35.
C
C
So
in
terms
of
lot
coverage
we're
around
two
and
a
half
percent
over
allowable-
and
you
know,
we've
sort
of
exacerbated
that
deficiency
by
one
percent
was
just
ours.
We
had
like
a
a
one
foot
expansion
of
the
footprint
of
the
garage
in
each
direction.
To
sort
of
make
it
work,
the
other
is
the
proposed
building
will
be
located.
One
point:
one
feet
from
the
rear
property
line.
C
Accessory
apartments
are
required
to
be
located
a
minimum
of
five
feet
from
the
rear
property
line,
and
then
the
property
has
existing
deficiencies
in
their
CR
in
the
required
front
side
and
rear
yards.
C
That
will
not
be
exacerbated
by
The
Proposal,
so
those
were
existing
deficiencies
of
the
house,
so
the
ones
we've
made
worse
are
the
the
but
but
the
existing
garage
was
already
on
the
property
line,
so
we've
exacerbated
it
because
we've
made
it
an
accessory
apartment,
but
from
a
formal
like
looking
at,
what's
there
now
versus
what's
happening,
the
conditions
are
the
same.
It's
just
we're
exacerbating
it
because
we're
converting
it
to
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
from
a
farage
so
yeah,
it's
a
four
foot.
C
A
A
You
know,
like
I,
said
a
lot
of
action
to
get
through,
but
I'm
hoping
it's
easy.
I
want
to
just
give
one
last
opportunity
to
board
and
staff
here
as
we're
wrapping
up
on
time.
Is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
flag
for
this
applicant
between
now
Emily.
H
Hi
I'm
sorry
I
missed
the
beginning
of
it,
but
I
do
remember
this
from
last
time:
hi
Mike,
I
I
mean
I
agree.
This
is
like
City
supports
it
personally,
I
support
it
I
think
it's
great
to
have
accessory
dwelling
units
and
and
Ben's
urban
areas.
I
think
what
would
be
helpful
for
the
big
meeting
is
to
understand
the
context
around
the
property.
We
have
a
little
bit
of
I
think
the
neighbor
to
the
north.
H
H
I
E
I
think
I
I
remembered
a
really
cool
sort
of
like
an
early
rendering
of
the
space
of
the
previous
space
being
converted.
I
think
that
was
great
if
you
could
just
provide
a
simple
picture
of
the
existing
structure.
I
think
that
would
help
conceptualize,
but.
A
Too
many
just
enough
for
people
to
get
oriented
you
know,
I
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
take
much
to
get
us
to
a
point
where
we're
currently
voting,
but
just
enough
for
people
to
understand
what
they're.
Looking
at
okay.
B
Thank
you,
yeah.
That's
what
I
was
going
to
suggest
a
presentation
might
go
of
what
you
had,
but
I.
Also
I
will
send
you
a
list
of
conditions
that
have
to
be
met
for
an
accessory
apartment.
This
is
not
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
just
to
make
sure
we
all
know
that
that
you'll
just
make
sure
because
that'll
be
what
the
site.
The
final
approval
is
for
this
special
permit,
like
one
the
main
building
primary
building,
has
to
be
owner,
occupied
maximum
two
bedrooms.
All
of
that
one
off
street
parking
and.
B
D
A
A
A
Hello,
if
you
would
please
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
looking
at.
D
J
Right,
perfect,
hi,
I'm,
Sydney,
Bond
and
yes,
so
I
am
requesting
the
approval
of
the
application
for
a
subdivision
of
the
property
at
210,
Grandview,
Ave
and
really
the
intentions
for
that
is
currently
there's
the
Church
of
the
Nazarene
there
and
what
was
a
parsonage
is
there
but
hoping
to
establish
the
house
separately,
just
as
a
residential
for
me
and
my
family.
A
All
right
wanted
to
check
in
with
Nikki
before
we
go
around
the
board.
Is
there
any
reason
this
isn't
trivial
and
fine
like?
Is
there
anything
we
should
be
paying
special
attention
to,
or
is
this
a
straightforward
subdivision,
I.
B
A
Great
I'll
check
in
with
the
board
Daniel.
E
A
H
Is
this
I
agree?
I
think
this
is
straightforward.
No
real
questions.
I
is
this
on
the
same
nearby
parcel
as
our
substation,
the
nice
egg
substation.
So
that's
at
Grandview
in
Hudson,
okay,
I
mean
that
doesn't
affect
this
project,
but
it's
good
contexts.
Yeah
I,
don't
have
other
questions
thanks.
A
So
the
thing
I'll
flag
is
that
we've
just
got
to
take
a
million
votes
on
this
in
the
meeting
you
know
and
because
of
that
it's
always
easy
to
trip
over
our
feet,
but
the
facts
on
the
ground
do
not
seem
complicated.
Nikki.
Is
there
anything
we
want
to
make
sure
we
talk
about
in
this
meeting
before
we
just
say:
good
luck,.
A
A
B
Right,
okay,
I
still
don't
see
225,
but
we
do
have
Craig
for
the
dean.
Let's.
A
G
G
As
a
team,
we
decided
to
remove
the
upper
signs
from
the
building.
We
would
like
to
keep
the
signage
at
the
entrances
and
canopies,
mostly
mostly
for
for
wayfinding,
if
nothing
else
and
but
again,
we'll
have
updated
visuals
for
that
at
the
planning
board.
Meeting
and
I
just
wanted
to
also
touch
on
the
painting
of
The
Brick,
because
I
know
some
comments
went
out
to
everybody
on
that
we
decided
not
to
paint
the
brick.
G
We
would
still
like
to
have
the
opportunity
to
paint
this
stucco.
So
there's
there's
three
different
colors
of
of
Stucco
and
ephis
from
past
Renovations
over
time,
and
we
would
like
to
kind
of
consolidate
those
into
one
color
that
matches
and
goes
well
with
the
brick
so
yeah.
So
there
might
still
be
some
painting
for
the
project
again.
We'll
include
those
individuals
for
the
planning
board
meeting.
A
Thanks,
oh
that's,
helpful
sounds
like
a
lot
of
stuff
to
look
at
at
the
meeting,
but
just
from
hearing
you
describe
the
changes.
This
sounds
like
a
very
legitimate
attempt
to
respond
to
comments
and
and
meet
everybody
halfway
and
so
I'm
hoping
we're
able
to
move
forward
in
the
meeting,
go
around
the
board
and
then
see
how
people
are
feeling
about
it.
Daniel.
E
E
Appreciate
you
taking
our
feedback,
I
know
I
I
think
maybe
I
was
the
most
outspoken
about
the
signs,
but
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
project
and
adaptive
reviews
of
commercial
office
into
residential
and
high
density
zone
is
fantastic,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
beautiful
and
look
forward
to
seeing
the
color
and
updated
drawings
embezzle.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
for
taking
the
feedback,
Craig
again
very
helpful,
to
see
the
drawings
to
see
what.
Finally,
it
will
look
like
and
I
I
think
removing
a
lot
of
the
signage
keeping
some
sounds
like
a
reasonable
Middle
Ground.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
K
H
I
agree
with
all
that
and
I
am
excited
about
the
project.
I
think
the
ifas
and
the
stucco
are
not
on
State
Street
side
right
they're
on
the
the
west
and
the
South
sides
like
the
secondary
sides,.
G
Yeah,
it's
predominantly
on
the
on
the
South
Side,
so
opposite
of
State
Street.
But
there
is
a
little
bit
on
the
state
treat
side
as
well.
We're
gonna
try
and
keep
the
color
that
matches
the
best
and
so
potentially
just
paint
what
just
what
we
have
to,
but
we'll
we'll
sort
of
see:
they're
cleaning,
some
brick
right
now
for
us
to
see
what
it
looks
like
with
the
brick
clean.
So
we
can
really
match
up
yeah.
A
Well,
anything
from
board
or
staff
on
this
before
we
move
on
seeing
none,
you
know,
sign
approvals
seem
to
be
weird.
You
never
know
how
we'll
go,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
response
and
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
in
a
couple
weeks.
Great
thank.
B
Okay,
I
have
alerted
the
applicant
at
225.
Let's
do
the
you
know
they
could
still
get
on,
but
they're
still
not
here,
but
John
Broadus
is
in
who's
with
it's
now
called
the
local
and
Redbud
distilling.
D
A
D
A
Oh
yeah,
please
please,
you
know,
introduce
yourself,
show
yourself,
take
it
away.
A
Excellent,
so
when
you
relax
before
the
board,
you
showed
a
video
which
I
think
was
helpful.
As
an
introduction,
I
will
say:
I
don't
have
drawings.
You
sent
in
front
of
me
like
I,
believe
you
that
they're
submitted
and
exist.
Do
you
have
anything
that
you'd
like
to
present
before
the
board
today
for
us
to
talk
through
and
react
to
to
late
groundwork
for
the
full
meeting
in
a
couple
weeks.
A
A
L
Can
I
jump
in
just
for
a
second
please
top
left
I
was.
We
were
asked
I'm
going
to
use
the
queen's
English
here
we
were
asked
to
show
more
details
of
drainage
and
planting
or
I
should
say
and
sidewalk
details.
The
owner
has
asked,
via
a
letter
to
some
folks
to
consider
the
sidewalk
is
part
of
the
program
that
Cornell
Cornell
Ithaca
City
of
Ithaca
has
for
sidewalk
and
curbing
other
things
will
be
by
him
or
by
the
the
developer.
L
On
the
on
this.
Drawing
top
left
illustration
shows
you
what
we
have
I
I
know:
I
call
it
bio
swell,
but
that's
a
fancy
term
to
say
ditch,
but
it's
it's
it's
a
nice
one
that
should
account
for
things
that
occur
in
this
site.
In
particular,
we
have
a
high
water
table
because
less
than
a
block
away,
it's
the
the
channel
That
was
synthetically
made
for
water
and
as
such,
whatever
we
do
can
become
waterlogged
really
fast.
L
So
I
was
looking
for
something
we
were
looking
for,
something
that
detained
it's
sort
of
like
retaining
retaining
detention
retention,
prompt
kind
of
thing,
but
in
a
ditch
form
for
the
area
where
we
would
have
the
garden
and
for
the
area
where
we
have
the
parking
we're
going
to
leave
alone.
L
Yes,
the
parking
and
the
plan
to
the
right,
ish
I'm,
hoping
that
the
client
is
on
board
I,
always
speak
for
my
client,
so
the
lot
is
crowned
and
it's
generally
sloping
towards
the
street,
with
exception
of
where
you
get
to
the
building
and
then
further
south,
and
that
gets
to
be
a
plateau-ish
kind
of
thing
with
on
asphalted
or
a
surface
that
is
like
gravel
I
say
like
because
I
believe
it's
like
item
four
dot
kind
of
thing
compressed,
because
Vehicles
were
there
at
one
time
and
it's
not
an
organic
kind
of
thing.
L
But
it's
it's
fairly
hard
and
the
client
has
asked
to
not
spend
on
this
project
things
that
we
can
reuse
from
the
word
go
and
then,
if
things
turned
out
better
and
we
have
a
success,
we
can
do
other
things
and
fix
a
few
other
sins
that
may
be
there.
We
don't
know
what
sins
are
there
other
than
the
drainage
going
towards
the
the
road
and
we
were
going
to
keep
the
asphalt,
as
is
now.
L
L
All
we're
trying
to
do
is
gain
an
alley
to
the
right,
because
that's
a
service
alley
kind
of
thing
for
trucks,
because
if
you
mix
the
cars
in
the
trucks,
we're
not
going
to
be
happy,
so
we
move
the
striping
only
towards
one
end.
L
I,
don't
want
to
make
a
big
stinker
out
of
it
other
than
if
you
want
to
see
the
section
for
that
planting.
It's
bottom
bottom
left
right
there,
the
the
road
doesn't
have
a
few
things.
It
doesn't
have
a
curb.
It
doesn't
have
a
section.
That's
typically
vegetative,
like
grass,
which
I
have
issues
by
the
way,
but
I'll.
We
will
go
back
to
that
one
for
a
minute
and
then
the
planting
of
the
tree.
L
We
were
hoping
to
get
free
trees
so
to
speak
from
Gene,
but
this
doesn't
really
fit
that
scenario,
because
these
trees
in
the
property
of
the
developer,
rather
than
on
the
street
right
of
way
itself,
so
we're
buying
these
trees,
they're
three
columnar
Oak
kind
of
things,
and
we
have
a
schedule
because
we
were
also
asked
for
a
schedule
and
it's
always
been
there,
so
to
speak
on
the
top.
L
If
we
go
up
the
drawing,
but
I
can't
control
from
my
side
yeah
there
you
go
if
you
zoom
in
you'll,
start
to
see
what
it
is
that
we
have
in
terms
of
the
botanical
name
and
the
size
that,
where
eventually
going
to
have
for
a
mature
tree,
65
feet
for
the
tree.
That
we're
using
is
a
three
caliper
at
the
trunk.
And
those
are
the
prices
that
I
had
when
I
went
to
I.
A
B
Sure,
thanks
and
John
sorry
and
just
to
clarify
the
bias.
Well
then
you're
talking
about
is
this
right
here
by
the
by
the
road.
L
Well,
two
conditions:
yes,
there's
one
by
the
road
that
also
has
the
trees
and
has
that
section
on
the
left,
but
there's
also
one
where
we
will
eventually
have
plantings
and
we're
we're
saying
hops.
But
the
reality
is
it's
not
happening.
On
the
first
day,
yeah.
B
So
what
we
need
for
sorry
represent
Seeker
I've,
we've
told
the
applicant
that
we
do
need
something
either
the
esa
one
or
a
letter
from
an
expert
such
as
an
environmental
engineer
that
can
speak
to
if
there
are
any
hazards
on
the
site
and
if
there
are,
if,
if
it
is
okay,
then
to
have
this
intended
use
if
it
meets
all
DEC
standards,
we
have
not
received
that
yet,
but
we
do
need
that
for
part
of
the,
for
you
know
moving
on
per
speaker,
so.
A
A
Yeah
no
I
mean
this
is
this
is
helpful.
This
gets
everybody
a
better
understanding
of
the
site
and
I
think
it's
worth
going
through
this
or
some
version
of
this
in
a
couple
weeks
for
the
board
members
who
aren't
here,
but
just
as
far
as
like
making
sure
we're
ticking
our
boxes
in
the
appropriate
way,
so
that
we're
not
slipping
your
schedule,
like
that's
the
hurdle
we
want
to
try
to
you
know
get
over
in
two
weeks:
okay,
going.
L
Back
to
Nikki
what
is
the
official
term
that
you're
asking
for
this
report.
B
For
some
kind
of,
we
need
to
make
a
determination
right
whether
that
this
intended
purpose
now
which
the
public
will
come
and
enjoy
drinks
here,
that
there
is
what
are
the
environmental
hazards
there
if
there
are
any
and
that
it's
okay
to
have
this
purpose
now
in
this
building
that
used
to
be
in
auto
mechanic,
shop
and
I.
Put
this
in
an
email.
I
can
include
you
in
it
on
it
as
well.
John.
L
We
have
a
phase
one
it
it
it's
the
other
phases
that
we're
saying
well
is
that
necessary
and
where,
where
do
we
go
from
from
here,
it
was
done
by
an
engineer
not
by
me.
L
B
Yep,
so
if,
if
we
don't,
there
are
some
reluctance
to
share
the
esa
one,
which
is
fine,
but
if
we
don't
have
that
in
lieu
of
that,
we
do
need
something
so
like
a
letter
from
an
expert
such
as
the
environmental
engineer
that
says
that
it's
okay
to
you
know,
there's
purpose.
This
intentional
use
is
now
okay
here
and
if
there's
anything
any
parameters
around
that
like
do
not
disturb
the
soil
or
we
need
a
vapor
membrane.
You
know
whatever
the
mitigation
might
be,
if
there's
anything
yep.
A
Right
so
I
think
that,
at
this
point
is
hopefully
clear,
I
want
to
check
in
with
board
members
and
get
reactions
to
what
we've
seen
and
then
we'll
check
back
in
with
staff
before
we
wrap
up
Emily.
H
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
focus
on
well
the
phase
one
work
to
understand
just
that
part
of
it
for
now
the
the
parking
lot
and
the
phase
one
changes
and
a
little
bit
more
of
the
context
like
you
started
to
talk
about
how
there's
no
curb
and
no
sidewalk
but
you're,
adding
one.
Where
does
that
go
I,
think
that
will
all
be
part
of
you
know
the
secret
determination
and
how
this
affects
the
neighborhood
as
well,
so
I
think
yeah,
probably
plans
are
sufficient.
F
Yes,
I
think
you
flagged
some
issues
in
addition
to
what
Emily
spoke
about,
I
seem
to
understand
that
you
flagged
an
issue
for
draining
again
having
a
comprehensive
view
of
what
are
the
issues
that
we.
A
A
F
E
Yeah
similar
sentiment,
but
I
have
a
suggestion
rather
I
think
you
have
a
a
great
sort
of
the
document
that
was
shared
was
great,
but
there's
a
lot
of
information
overlapping
and
it's
hard
to
digest
it.
So
I
would
suggest
extrapolating
sort
of
plan
views
to
make
specific
points,
because
there's
a
lot
of
information
and
it's
very
hard
to
read,
and
so
it
might,
it
might
help
your
presentation
and
it'll
help
us
and
the
rest
of
the
board.
Members
understand
the
general
scope
and
program
of
the
project.
A
Thank
you,
Daniel
I
want
to
check
in
with
Nikki
and
or
Lisa
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
are
set
up
to
have
a
productive
conversation
when
we
get
to
the
full
board.
B
Yeah
I
think
as
long
as
long
as
we
have
the
materials
for
the
The
Speaker
John,
we
can,
you
know,
have
that
ready
for
the
meeting
and
I
think
as
Emily
saying
there
was
some
indication
that
you
might
not
be
doing
phases
anymore.
So
we
that
needs
to
be
clear
because
that
will
have
to
be
in
the
environmental
review.
Can.
L
I
answer:
well,
we
we
want
to
have
three
phases,
but
then
we
heard
at
the
same
time.
This
is
too
small.
Just
do
the
whole
thing
and
and
and
go
and
show
us
what
we're
going
for
the
reality.
Is
we
missed
the
opportunity
to
get
the
tenant
that
wants
to
start
this
year
with
his
whiskey
making
thing?
So
it's
not
that
pressing
anymore.
L
L
I
I,
remember
a
situation
where
I
was
asked
point
point
blank:
what
is
your
lighting
plan
and
we're
working
on
a
lighting
plan
for
the
site,
as
opposed
for
the
building
the
situation?
There
is
that
we
wanted
to
do
it
with
a
a
solar
fit
or
several
solar
fixtures
and
we're
finding
situations
where
there's
a
short
shelf
life
to
these
things,
and
it
may
not
be
in
the
making.
It
could
be
a
temporary
light
fixture
for
the
parking,
but
we
want
something
that
is
more
permanent.
L
That
was
the
thing
just
because
you
asked
us
about
utilities.
So.
B
No
I
asked
about
phases,
so
we
do
need
to
know
like
how
long
it's
going
to
take
to
construct
this,
and
if
it's
not
faces,
that's
fine,
but
is
it
like
a
year?
You
know,
however
long
that
is,
and
then
sorry
Lisa
has
something
too
and
the
point
that
we
are
making
is
you
can't
divide
the
only
you
can't
segment
environmental
review,
but
we
can
do
phases
for
site
plan
approval.
L
M
M
You
can
phase
the
project
and
we
need
to
know
what
those
phases
are
so
that
we
can
approve
one
part
of
it
like
final
approval
for
one
part,
and
then
you
know
when,
if
you
don't
haven't
made
decisions
about
the
other
part
like
what's
the
exterior
lighting,
you
can
come
back
for
that,
but
we
couldn't
just
approve
each
little
parcel
on
its
own
each
little
phase
on
its
own,
without
being
looking
at
the
whole
project.
That
is
that
clear.
Does
everybody
understand
that?
M
Okay,
and
we
certainly
can't
do
that
for
Seeker?
We
have
to
look
at
the
whole
project
as
a
whole.
We
would
like
to
see
a
phasing
plan
in
which
we
know
which
Pro
part
of
it.
You
want
approval
for
right
away
and
we
will
give
you
that
after
seeker's
done
and
and
but
there
may
still,
you
know
and
then
you
can
come
back
for
other
phases
for
if
there's
outstanding
items
does
that
make
sense.
A
Well,
I
think
there's
been
helpful
feedback.
You
know
just
thinking
about
the
next.
The
next
meeting.
What
you
shared
today
I
think,
can
totally
push
forward
the
conversation
about
what
is
happening
on
site.
You've
got
some
requests
on.
You
know
ways
we
might
look
at
it
a
little
differently,
but
as
far
as
site
plan
goes
like
I
think
that
we
we
have
enough
to
have
a
productive
conversation,
the
place
where
I
feel
like
we
may
not
have
what
we
don't
have.
A
What
we
need
to
have
a
productive
conversation
is
the
Environmental,
which
is
the
thing
that
you
want
us
to
try
to
make
a
decision
on
in
two
weeks,
so
that
is,
that
is
where
I
see
the
critical
need.
Any
updates
on
the
site
plan
and
the
way
that's
presented
is,
of
course
great
and
helpful,
but
you
know,
since
the
only
thing
that
people
outside
of
this
room
have
seen
on
that
front.
So
far
is
really
a
video
you
know
walking
through
whatever
drawings
that
exist.
A
I
think
can
can
move
us
the
place
where
I
want
to
make
sure
we
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
help
you
move
forward
is
the
Environmental
in
two
weeks,
so
anything
you
can
share
with
the
city
before
that
meeting
would
be
helpful.
That's.
A
A
M
A
You
should
mention
that
in
the
meeting
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
make
a
decision
on
that
in
in
the
next
meeting.
But
we
might
you
know
I
also
think
that's
not
the
decision
as
far
as
moving
your
project
forward,
I,
don't
think
that's
the
decision.
You
want
us
to
focus
on
I
think
the
decision
you
want
us
to
focus
on
is
trying
to
get
you.
The
determination
on
your
environment.
A
Right
thanks,
everybody
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks,
I
hope
to
help
you
keep
moving.
L
Thank
you
so
much
I
appreciate
this
I
learned.
L
A
I
B
N
We
presented
kind
of
an
overview
of
the
project
at
last
month's
meeting
and
have
since
submitted
just
yesterday,
I
think
Nikki
received
the
full
environmental
assessment
form
and
you
know
we
heard
a
couple
of
good
notes
from
the
planning
board
at
our
introductory
meeting,
but
just
wanted
to
see
if
there
are
any
questions
at
this
time,
as
we
plan
to
attend
this
month
for
the
public
hearing
or
if
you've
heard
anything
from
the
public
that'd
be
great
to
know,
and
you
know
just
going
through
the
environmental
there's
not
a
lot
on
the
environmental.
N
A
Great
so,
as
I
recall,
the
issues
that
came
up
last
meeting
I
know
there
was
questions
about
how
this
was
going
to
affect
the
overall
foot
paths
on
the
quad
I.
Think
I
think
that
was
the
big
thing
that
stuck
in
my
mind
and
then
I.
Don't
remember
a
whole
lot
of
concern
about
the
project
as
a
whole.
A
I
might
be
missing
stuff,
but
what's
going
around
the
room
and
see
if
there's
any
open
questions
and
then
check
in
with
staff
to
make
sure
we're
ready
for
a
couple
weeks
from
now,
then.
E
Yeah
I
mean
no
major
comments.
I
am
curious
to
hear
what
the
thoughts
are
around
sort
of
adding
a
slight
curve
to
the
linear
path.
I
think
all
of
those
walkways
are
so
beautifully
framed
towards
the
tower
towards
Jaden
the
whole
quad.
So
you
know
I
yeah
if
it
is
going
to
be
changed,
it'd
be
nice
to
maybe
get
a
perspective
or
maybe
a
reason
why?
But
but
otherwise,
no
major
comments,
great
project,
great
team.
F
Yep,
echoing
to
sentiment
great
project
I,
remember.
One
thing
that
was
mentioned
in
the
previous
meeting
was
the
importance
of
keeping
the
or
putting
an
emphasis
on
conserving
the
trees.
Since
there,
a
lot
of
trees
that
are
fairly
old
I'd
be
very
curious
to
see
what
the
efforts
are.
There
I'd
also
be
curious
to
get
a
better
sense
of
any
changes
that
would
be
made
to
the
outside
of
the
building.
F
If
any
I
understand
that
the
majority
of
the
work
is
on
the
interior,
there'll
be
another
thing
I'm
interested
in,
but
with
that
said
excellent
project,
very
much
looking
forward
to
hearing
about
it
next
next
meeting.
Thank
you
basil.
A
H
H
N
That
is
maintenance,
and
that
is
basically
safety
measure
at
the
moment.
So
this
is
where
we
are
and
we
didn't
show
it
in
the
picture
we
talked
about
it
as
a
group,
as
we
were
coming
for
the
introductory,
like
this
picture,
looks
too
nice.
This
isn't
actually
what's
happening
out
there,
which
is.
We
have
some
scaffolding
for
safety
and
protection
measures
and
to
do
some
limited.
You
know
work
right
now,
but
this
is
the
state
of
affairs.
A
So,
as
far
as
moving
forward
we're
going
to
do
a
public
hearing,
I'm
sure
that
you
have
a
short
presentation
ready
to
go
for
that
and
then
we're
going
to
dig
into
the
part
three,
let's
check
in
with
Nikki
to
make
sure
we
have
everything
we
need
for
that.
N
I
Yeah
we've
submitted
it
I
want
to
say
two
weeks
ago.
N
N
Some
very
detailed,
you
know
understanding
of
some
of
the
historic
elements
and
we're
developing
those.
Even
now,
okay,.
B
A
You
anything
from
border
staffs.
We
want
to
check
in
on
this
project
for
a
couple
weeks
from
now.
E
E
The
the
construction
documents
and
and
some
details
on
the
project
and
I
understand
that
you
are
not
touching
the
tower.
The
renovation
doesn't
doesn't
Encompass
the
tower.
I
guess
it'd
just
be
good
to
understand
what
the
maybe
not
function,
but
but
what
the
Outlook
is
for
the
tower.
If
it
will
be
due
for
renovation
down
the
road.
E
A
You
Daniel
anything
else.
A
A
B
A
K
P
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Ife
and
I'm
the
Municipal
Municipal
approval
coordinator
for
the
project
by
16
North
Meadow
Street.
Today
we
have
Camila
Peter
from
pastoral
team,
they're
our
Architects
and
Adam
Fitzgerald
from
Marathon
engineer
or
civil
and
Lauren
technender,
representing
the
client
team.
So
today
we
would
like
to
present
some
of
the
design
updates
regarding
the
building
facade,
and
we
also
like
to
discuss
some
of
the
conversations
we
had
so
far
with
the
fire
department
and
NASDAQ
Peter.
Would
you
take
it
away?
P
Q
Yeah
so
welcome
everyone,
hi
I,
hope
everyone's
having
a
great
day
yeah.
So
a
few
of
the
things
that
we
heard
last
time
and
I
I
don't
know
Ife
if
you
uploaded
the
the
rendering
We'll
add
that
to
it
also,
hopefully
in
the
future,
but
we
looked
at
refining
the
green.
We
still
stayed
with
the
green
and
beige
if
you
will
color
scheme,
but
a
couple
of
things.
That
of
note
are
that
in
the
rendering
and
in
the
images
before
the
green
is
really
an
eight
inch
space
siding.
Q
So
it's
more,
you
know,
has
a
real
different
scale
and
scope
than
ordinary
siding
on
the
lower
level
and
we've
gone
to
a
a
darker
vertical
siding
in
the
arched
area
along
the
building
facade
and
we've
eliminated.
Most
of
the
up
down
can
lights
and
added
some
gooseneck
type
lighting,
as
well
as
and
the
rendering
kind
of
shows
us.
We've
got
a
ribbon
light
underneath
the
the
first
level
where
the
white
columns
and
fascia
are.
Q
That
goes
all
the
way
around
the
areas
where
the
entrances
are,
which
I
think
really
will
augment
the
lighting
in
that
area.
We
also
added
and
I
think
that's
more
evident
on
the
next
elevations.
Q
We
did
look
at
relaying
out
the
Upper
Floor
units
so
that
we
have
more
windows
on
the
the
East
facade,
so
we
kind
of
flipped
the
units
around,
whereas
before
we
had
the
units
oriented
a
different
direction
now
we
have
the
Living
Spaces
facing
the
road
and
allowed
us
to
have
more
windows
on
those
facades,
which
I
think
was
one
of
the
comments
that
you
had
before
and
we
and
I
know
this
is
not
reading
real
well
on.
You
know
on
the
screen,
for
me
at
least
so
maybe
it's
not
for
you.
Q
Q
You
know
on
the
screens
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
and
I
think
that
that
is
the
primarily
oh
and
we
did
add
some
additional
trim
around
the
windows
to
try
to
make
the
windows
read
a
little
bit
more
as
significant
elements
and
bring
another
color
into
the
facade,
whereas
the
windows,
before
we're
kind
of
really
recessed
into
the
facade
now
I
think
that
they
have
a
little
bit
more
prominence
on
that
face.
The
building,
I
think
Camila,
correct
me.
P
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
good
update,
so
the
thing
we're
doing
as
far
as
action
items
on
this
is
reviewing
the
thief
part.
Three
I'm
gonna
go
around
the
room
with
board
members
in
just
a
second,
but
want
to
check
in
with
Nikki
just
to
make
sure
we're
not
missing
anything
on
the
the
part.
Three
that
would
make
that
conversation
more
productive.
B
I,
don't
think
we
are
I,
think
they're
going
to
touch
upon
the
engineering.
The
engineering
comments
which
have
a
lot
to
do
with
the
the
fire
and
aerial
access
and
all
that
which
need
to
be
addressed
so
I,
know
they're
going
to
touch
on
that
today
and
then
I
can
send
a
list
that
you
say
on
some
things
that
we
need
like
Geotech
and
type
of
foundation
and
all
that
and
the
most
recent
planting
plans.
But
I
think,
besides
that,
it's
looking
pretty
good.
A
P
O
Yeah,
just
real
quick:
we
can
you
folks,
hear
me
okay.
First,
we.
A
O
Okay,
perfect:
we
had
you
know
this
this
project,
knowing
that
it's
going
to
need
aerial
access.
We
had
reached
out
to
the
fire
department
early
on
in
the
process.
To
you
know:
Jill
sharp
and
Rob
corporate
there
at
the
fire
department
to
discuss
where
the
preferred
location
for
staging
for
aerial
access
would
be,
and,
of
course,
it's
along
the
long
side
of
the
building,
be
it
Seneca,
West
Seneca
Street.
O
We
in
turn
back
in
April,
initiated
a
coordination
with
nice
thing
to
talk
about
the
relocation
or
burial
of
those
utilities
along
West
Seneca,
and
they
you
know,
as
you
can
imagine,
pushed
back
and
gave
you
know
expressed
some
concern
or
difficulties
in
either
relocating
or
burying
those
utilities
on
West
Seneca.
They
they
nice
egg
in
turn,
gave
us
a
initial
concept
for
relocating
utilities
on
North
Meadow,
which
did
provide
a
little
bit
of
aerial
access.
O
We
did
sketch
up
a
location
for
Jill
and
Rob
to
to
discuss
and
we've
had
several
meetings
with
them
and
they
have
in
turn
expressed
concern
with
the
limited
ability
limited
available
space
on
the
North
Meadow
side
of
the
project
for
aerial
access.
So
we
are
in
turn,
going
back
to
NYSEG
to
really
push
back
and
see
if
they
can
give
us
any
more
room,
either
on
North,
Meadow,
Street
or
West
Seneca
Street
for
overhead
relocation
and
so
on.
O
Right
now,
they're
looking
at
burying
utilities
on
by
Seneca,
which
brings
in
a
whole
realm
of
difficulties
with
DOT
or
possibly
relocating
the
utilities
on
West
Seneca
to
the
north
side
of
West
Seneca,
but
that
brings
in
fire
department.
Accessibility
concerns
with
the
project
the
apartment
building
at
602,
West,
Seneca
Street
that
exists
on
the
north
side
of
that
street.
O
So
we
are
going
down
that
path
with
the
fire
department
and
I,
say:
we've
been
working
really
close
with
Jill
and
Rob
to
try
to
come
up
with
an
idea
for
maintaining
and
providing
aerial
access.
But
what
we
are
also
looking
at
doing
is
you
know,
modifying
this
the
site
and
building
design
so
that
we
could
have
aerial
access
along
the
entire
south
of
the
of
the
building
and,
if
that's
something
folks
here
want
to
discuss
more
I,
think
Camilla
and
Peter
have
some
initial
sketches
we
can
discuss.
O
O
I
guess
with
that.
Do
you
folks
have
any
questions
on
that.
A
Let's
go
around
the
room
and
get
a
reaction
to
the
architectural
update
and
then
the
engineering
questions
as
well.
Daniel.
E
Yeah
I
think
I
think
overall,
the
project
has
evolved
really
nicely.
It
continues
to
have
a
really
great
program
and
purpose.
I
appreciate
the
added
Windows
facing
facing
the
street
I
I,
just
I.
You
know
I
want
to
be
mindful
that
you
guys
have
taken
our
feedback
about
the
design
direction
of
the
building,
but
I
I
almost
feel
like
it's
gone
a
bit,
maybe
too
contemporary
and
I
think
there's
a
cool
opportunity,
potentially
with
the
the
section
of
the
wall.
E
That
I
think
now
is
glad
and
some
kind
of
a
metal
siding
to
add
a
little
bit
more
of
like
modernity
to
the
building.
E
You
know,
I
think
the
Hardy
Board
is
is
a
good
material.
I
think
it
works
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
building,
but
I
think
it
I,
don't
know
if
it's
the
mix
of
the
colors
or
or
or
that
being
too
dark
or
metal.
Now
that
just
I
I
don't
know
something
about
it.
Just
doesn't
just
doesn't
work.
E
I
I'm,
you
know
look
forward
to
seeing
the
renders,
but
oh
yeah,
I
think
overall.
At
this
point,
my
my
feedback
is
mostly
on
the
sort
of
aesthetic
direction
of
the
building,
mainly
because
of
what
we
said
the
other.
E
The
other
time
we
met
that
development
in
this
Corridor
is
relatively
new,
so
I
think
you
have
a
really
great
opportunity
to
set
precedent
to
follow
so
I'm
sort
of
coming
at
it
from
that
angle,
but
otherwise
I
appreciate
the
detailed
notes
about
fire
access
from
from
the
top
and
it
to
the
extent
you
guys
can
provide
updated
materials
for
anything
that
you
propose
Changed
by
the
by
the
actual
planning
board
meeting.
I
think
that
would
be
great
too.
It
was
helpful
to
have
the
Hardy
Board
in
our
hands
last
time.
A
Well
agreed,
thank
you,
Daniel
Emily,.
H
Sure,
thank
you.
You
know
to
follow
up
on
Daniel's
comment.
I
think
some
of
the
elements
you
propose
are
different
than
we've
seen
and
so
It's
Tricky
for
us
to
articulate,
maybe
our
feelings
about
them,
but
when
I've
seen
your
rendering
so
far,
all
along
I
I,
really
like
you
know
the
colors
and
the
shapes
and
I
feel
like
the
elevations
are
always
not
quite
there,
but
the
renderings
I'm
trusting
the
renderings
because
they
seem
to
work
really
well,
so
I'll
just
put
out
that
out
there
and
I
I.
H
Like
all
the
changes
you
presented
today,
the
window
trim
the
extra
windows
I
think
it
would
be
worse,
maybe
doing
a
deeper
dive
at
some
point.
Maybe
maybe
it
doesn't
have
to
be
this
meeting
since
we're
focused
on
the
thief
but
a
deeper
dive
into
the
the
public
entryway,
which
everyone
was
really
more
pleased
with
last
time.
But
maybe
we
take
a
closer
look.
You
know
up
close
about
how
that
feels
in
the
lighting
down
the
road
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
shouldn't
we
just
bury
utilities
everywhere.
H
Always
now
I
mean
that
seems
I'm.
Sorry,
you
have
to
go
up
against
this
problem.
It
seems
like
a
no-brainer
but
I
understand,
there's
so
many
interested
parties,
so
I
hope
you
can
sort
it
out
thanks.
F
A
All
right
so
pretty
positive
feedback,
a
request
for
materials,
a
requests
for
engineering
reports.
The
action
is
related
to
reviewing
the
part
three
which
it
sounds
like
we're,
pretty
ready
for
check
in
with
staff.
If
there
are
any,
is
there
anything
else
we
need
to
discuss
on
this
today.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
The
applicant
we'll
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks.
P
We
should
have
Monica
Ross
in
the
waiting
room
and
if
we
have
General
man,
basically
earrings
as
well,
and
if
there
is
any
you
know,
anyone
from
our
team
Jacob
will
mecco
or
Scott
Whitton.
Please
stand
up
me
as
well.
D
P
Go
ahead,
I
think
for
this
Minis
pretty
straightforward.
From
our
perspective,
we
have
received
quite
a
lot
of
comments
from
the
past
month
from
the
board
and
we
think
we're
ready
for
the
finals
at
parole
for
the
parking
lot
at
least
and
then
I
understand.
There
is
some
comments
for
the
Waterfront
piece
and
we
have
prepared
a
memo
basically
responding
to
all
the
comments.
The
engineer
send
it
to
us
and
we
also
wanted
to
hear
from
the
board
what
else
do
we
need
to
provide
for
both
the
parking
lot
and
Waterfront.
A
Great
I
think
to
lead
off
that
conversation
I'd
like
to
check
in
with
staff,
because
I
know
there
have
been
some
procedural
complexity
here
and
I
do
see
that
there's
a
final
approval
for
site
for
phase
one
on
the
agenda
and
I
know
everyone
would
like
to
get
that
executed.
M
So
you
know:
normally
we
do
a
site
plan
approval
for
a
whole
project
at
the
same
time
and
and
then
take
it
down
final
proof
of
phase.
One
final
proof
phase.
Two
final:
four
for
phase
three:
giving
the
preliminary
approval
to
the
whole
project.
M
At
the
same
time,
I
think
we
should
I
think
it's
absolutely
fine
in
this
case,
to
consider
breaking
up
the
phases
so
that
you're
just
doing
preliminary
Final
on
phase
one,
and
this
is
because
there
are
many
unresolved
issues
both
for
the
building
and
the
Waterfront,
and
the
timeline
is
so
long
before
it
actually
gets
built
that
there
could
be
many.
Many
changes
to
that
to
what
they
even
want
to
do
so.
M
I
recommend,
in
this
case
I,
think
it's
a
unique
case
and
part
of
it's
driven
by
grant
funding,
but
they're
not
even
going
to
build
the
other
two
parts.
Until
you
know
what
was
the
earliest
2025
2026
and
there's
so
much
could
change
that.
I
recommend
in
this
case
that
it's
perfectly
acceptable
to
just
do
the
parking
lot
preliminary
in
phase
one-
and
you
know
you've
done
Seeker
for
the
whole
project.
M
So
when
they're
ready
with
their
design
for
both
of
the
other
phases,
they
can
come
back
to
you
and
seek
preliminary
and
final
for
those
phases.
It's
mostly
the
factor
of
time
and
uncertainty,
whether
they
will
even
get
funding
for
the
other
phases.
To
me.
That
makes
that
decision
makes
that
process
available
to
you.
A
That
seems
totally
sensible
glad
we
found
a
path
ribbon
that
this
is
the
path.
Would
it
be
reasonable
to
request
that
we
only
talk
about
the
parking
lot
at
this
full
board
meeting?
Can
we
like
just
set
aside
the
comments
and
the
responses
to
the
Waterfront
set
aside?
The
building
just
talk
parking
lots
since
that's
what
the
action
is
and
then
come
back
to
the
other
parts
as
we
move
forward.
You
know
on
this
longer
timeline.
M
I
think
so
and
I
think
that,
as
long
as
we
explain
that
in
the
resolution,
I
think
that's
fine.
A
Excellent
that
would
I
I
would
personally
find
that
really
helpful
I
feel
like
we
are.
Our
attention
on
this
project
has
been
really
divided
and
really
focused
on
the
parts
that
we
didn't
understand
and
we
felt
like
we
understood
the
parking
lot,
so
we
haven't
looked
at
it
real
hard
in
a
little
bit
when
we
looked
at
it
plenty
hard
at.
You
know
when
it.
M
Was
right,
well,
I!
Think
you
bring
up
a
good
point,
Rob
that
before
approving
it,
you
should
make
sure
that
you,
you
know
there
haven't
been
any
changes
or
whatever
your
questions
were
about
have
been
resolved
or
whatever
it
is,
but
I
assume
that
works
for
the
project
team
to
do
to
do
it
like
this.
You
know
there
were
many
reasons
that
we
didn't
want
to
do
like
this
at
the
beginning,
but
I
guess
I
didn't
understand
until
recently
how,
in
a
way,
speculative
the
other
phases
were
so
at
this
point
in
time.
M
P
Yeah
is
the
product
team
I
think
it
makes
sense
because
the
funding
issue
of
the
entire
project,
so
we
have
not
been
meeting
making
any
design
changes
for
the
parking
lot
in
the
past
few
months,
but
we
can
definitely
resubmit
our
reset
plan
for
the
work
to
review.
A
E
Yeah
I
guess
thank
you
Lisa,
because
this
has
been
a
really
confusing
one,
obviously
incredibly
supportive
of
this
project,
and
we
know
that
there's
grant
funding
with
with
stipulations
so
I
think
that
helps
a
ton
and
if
I
I
was
pulling
up
Michelle
Palmer's
letter,
it
seems
that,
according
to
what
she
recommended
this
this
shouldn't,
this
should
install
the
second
phase.
You
know
funding
and
grants
available,
so
I
feel
really
comfortable
with
this
and
I'm
super
ready
to
yeah
to.
E
A
Great,
thank
you.
Emily.
H
Yeah
I
remember
feeling
really
comfortable
with
the
parking
lot.
It'll
be
great
to
get
a
refresher
and
I
will
say:
I'm
love
to
see
Dimensions
again
on
the
aisles
and
the
spots
because
I've
been
having
such
a
difficult
time
parking
at
green,
star
and
I
know.
That's
not
your
project,
but
that's.
What's
on
my
mind
lately
and
it's
just
too
small.
The
aisles
are
too
small
and
the
spots
are
too
small
and
it's
really
tough
to
navigate.
H
So
if
you
can
throw
some
dimensions
on
the
site
plan,
I
would
love
to
see
those
and
otherwise
I
feel
like
it's.
It's
really
close
and
excited
to
get
a
vote
for
you
soon.
F
Yeah
I
think
it's
very
sensible
to
focus
on
the
parking
in,
in
addition
to
what
Emily
said
about
the
dimensions,
definitely
giving
us
a
bit
more
information
about
the
materials
with
the
with
the
specs
are
going
to
be
and
yeah.
Focusing
on
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
checking
back
in
with
staff
anything
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
providing
or
that
we
want
to
discuss
today
to
make
sure
that
the
next
two
weeks
go
up.
B
I
just-
and
this
is
kind
of
a
question
that
we
could-
it
also
could
be
offline
and
back
on
eBay,
but
I
really
was
curious
about
those
infiltration
rates
that
you've
sent
us
for
the
parking
lot
when
you
design
gardening
rain
Gardens,
for
example,
anything
over
two
inches
infiltration
rate
is
so
fast
and
there
were
like
six
inches
per
hour
down
there.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
they
even
touched
the
native
soil,
when
they
did
that.
B
So,
if
there's
some
explanation
onto
how
those
infiltration
rates
were,
you
know
how
they
came
up
with
those
infiltration
rates.
That
would
be
greatly
appreciated,
because,
if
they're
true,
then
we
could
just
have
I
mean
permeable,
favors
anywhere
and
all
the
green
infrastructure
we
want
even
by
the
Waterfront.
So.
P
M
I
think
we'll
go
through
where
we
were
the
last
time
and
see
what
conditions
there
are
and
if
there's
anything
they
can
provide
before
the
meeting
we'll
let
them
know
and
enough
time
to
provide
it.
Awesome.
A
Well,
thank
you.
Everyone
I'm,
really
excited.
We
found
a
path
on
this
one.
Thank
you,
Lisa
for
helping
us
navigate
that
and
we'll
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks.
K
Yeah,
so
that
would
be
me:
do
you
see
Catherine
Cullen.
B
B
K
That
we
were
running
ahead
of
schedule,
so
hopefully
they
will
see
that
and
jump
in,
but
I
think
we
can
get
started.
There's
probably
a
lot
to
be
said
about
this
one.
So
it's
maybe
a
good
thing.
We're
going
a
little
ahead.
K
K
As
we
go
through
that
just
to
remind
everyone
of
which
locations
we
are
talking
about
and
what
we
would
like
to
do,.
K
So
to
start,
there
were
four
areas
that
we
identified
initially
and
then
there
were
also
some
additional
concerns
that
were
raised
about
the
the
building
exteriors.
K
As
far
as
the
shell
of
the
Architectural
Components
one
area
area
number
one,
we
are
simply
going
to
remove
our
ask
on
this
one.
We
are
going
to
install
the
parking
lot
at
the
upper
end
of
the
site,
as
was
originally
designed
and
approved
in
the
final
supplement
approval.
So
we
are
removing.
D
K
From
these
areas,
we
did
hear
some
positive
feedback
from
the
board
on
area
number
two,
which
is
the
entrance
to
buildings,
B
and
C,
regarding
a
realignment
of
the
ramp
at
that
location,
with
some
asks
for
more
information
about
the
railings,
particularly
the
ask
to
remove
the
wooden
railings
and
replace
with
metal
railings
that
match
Elsewhere
on
site,
as
well
as
robust
plantings.
So
we
we
do
want
to
assure
the
board
that
that
is
exactly
what
we
plan
to
do.
K
K
K
Developed
a
planting
plan
initially
for
this
area
to
help
fill
this
space
in
and
make
it
feel
like
a
lush
and
welcoming
entrance
to
the
site.
We
can
certainly
submit
this
to
for
the
ahead
of
the
planning
board
meeting
for
the
city
review.
K
The
other
area
next
is
the
courtyard
we
had
previously
discussed
essentially
using
an
artificial
turf
in
this
area,
and
we
heard
fairly
clearly
from
the
planned
war
that
that
was
not
not
going
to
be
an
acceptable
path
forward.
So
we
did
some
research
and
we
have
developed
a
solution
using
a
shade,
tolerant
seed
mix,
and
we
spoke
with
the
maintenance
team
on
site
about
how
they
will
be
able
to
handle
that
we
think
a
a.
K
Lightweight
mowing
machine
could
be
stored
indoors
on
level
with
this,
so
that
previously
the
concern
was
that
the
landscape
maintenance
would
require
a
mower
that
would
have
a
difficult
time
accessing
the
subpatient.
So
we
think
we
found
a
good
solution
for
that.
This
is
going
to
be
much
closer
to
what
was
originally
approved.
K
K
Here
again
we
have
a
preliminary
planting
list
and
plan
which
can
be
shared
ahead
of
the
public
board
meeting
the
area
number
four
I'm
wondering
if
we
might
want
to
come
back
to
that
after
the
other
two
items
that
were
brought
up
just
because
that
is
going
to
be
a
complex
issue,
so
I'll
come
back
to
that,
but
the
other
two
issues
that
were
brought
up
during
the
planning
board
meeting
were
included
the
brick
veneer
being
a
material.
D
K
K
Board
there
is,
however,
a
section
on
Building
C
that
was
installed
fully
and
which
does
not
face
any
public
directions,
and
it's
very
small
section
down
below
the
bridge
at
this
entryway,
and
we
have
asked
we
are
asking
that
we
might
be
allowed
to
leave
this
brick
in
place,
even
though
it
will
not
be
the
original
improved
material
above
the
substitution,
given
how
it
is
very
interior
to
the
site
and
would
not
impact
anyone
outside
of
the
residents
here.
D
K
We
did
just
want
to
clarify
that
the
the
development
team
is
planning
to
have
those
installed
per
the
approved
plans.
Those
will
not
be
omitted.
Those
aren't
going
to
be
included
in
the
final
instruction.
K
K
K
At
the
moment
we
have
not
changed
our
proposal
for
this
area.
We
did
not
get
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
the
playing
board
at
the
previous
meeting,
but
we
are
we're
sort
of
scratching
our
heads
in
a
way
to
find
a
positive
path
forward
in
this
location
and
I.
Think
it
really
is
going
to
require
some
further
coordination
of
Sid
staff,
particularly
as
it
might
relate
to
any
code
issues.
K
At
the
moment,
we
are
asking
in
consideration
of
the
fact
that
we
are
hopefully
addressing
the
board's
concerns
that
were
voiced
at
the
previous
meeting
for
all
of
the
locations
and
issues
fairly
directly
and
in
keeping
with
what
was
asked
of
us
that
the
board
be
ready
to
consider
an
updated
final
cycling.
Approval
for
this
month's
plan.
Coordinated.
A
All
right,
I'm
going
to
take
that
request,
maybe
at
the
end
and
check
in
with
staff
on
that.
You
know
in
this
meeting
and
see
see
what's
reasonable
and
possible.
A
A
There,
as
far
as
the
fake
brick
you
want
to
keep
I
would
bring
a
photo
of
that
area
to
the
planning
board
meeting.
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
going
to
be
any
appetite
to.
Let
that
stay
up
the
the
reaction
to
the
change
in
materials
was
was,
as
you
recall,
very,
very
negative
at
the
last
meeting,
but
I
think
you
know
take
a
photo.
Give
it
your
best
shot
seems
totally
like
a
fine
thing
to
ask
and
then
area
four.
A
It
sounds
like
there's
things
have
gotten
more
complicated
rather
than
simpler
than
the
one.
Since
the
last
time
we
saw
it
so
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
anything
productive
to
say
there.
What
I'll
do
is
we'll
go
around
the
room
and
hear.
A
Members
and
reaction,
what
we've
just
seen,
what
they'd
like
to
see
next
and
then
I,
want
to
check
in
with
staff
in
terms
of
what
seems
possible.
You
know
for
the
next
meeting
or
two
Daniel.
E
A
E
Again,
Jacob
I
think
you
do
a
really
good
job
at
explaining
things
and
in
in
phases
and
I
appreciate
most
of
the
responses.
E
I
think
yeah,
I
I,
if
you,
if
they're
gonna,
rip
out
brick
I,
think
they
might
as
well
provide
consistency
and
go
ahead
and
have
one
material
at
The,
Pedestrian
level,
and
and
do
it
all
in
one
swing
but
I
guess:
there's
no
harm
in
presenting
what
what
is
there
at
the
meeting,
but
I
would
side
with
replacing
it
all
together
with
what
was
originally
approved.
E
I
guess.
My
only
concern
is
the
the
central
Courtyard
I
think
it's
a
it's
a.
It
was
a
sort
of
always
a
tricky
space
and
the
reasoning.
My
reason
against
the
the
artificial
tour
for
the
AstroTurf
is
that
astroturfs
typically,
if
it's,
what
I
have
in
mind
Trails
these
sort
of
plastic
particulate
that
goes
between
the
blades
of
glass
and
this
is
an
interior
space.
So
if
that's
the
case,
I
think
it's
kind
of
like
a
maintenance
nightmare.
You're
gonna
get
you're
gonna,
get
that
everywhere
inside
the
common
areas
and
potentially
in.
E
That's
not
what
I
have
in
mind,
I
think
the
strong
hedging
on
the
sides
is
necessary.
I
think
that
always
was
but
I
don't
know
if
there's
sort
of
like
yeah.
E
Oh
pardon
me:
I,
I,
completely
completely
missed
that
detail.
Sorry
about
that.
Then
I
love
this
space
now.
So
that's
fine
I,
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
I
have
nothing
else
to
say
and
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck,
figuring
out
the
phase
four
part,
because
that's
really
tricky
and
I
know
you
guys
are
working
really
hard
on
it.
So
thank
you.
E
H
Hi,
yes,
thank
you,
Jacob
I
think
you
presented
it
really
great
and
addressed
I.
Think
all
of
our
requests
for
the
first,
the
first
three
areas
so
oh
and
the
and
the
canopies
that's
great
to
hear
the
canopies
are
coming
back.
H
I
will
certainly
wait
to
see
what
happens
with
the
zoning
and
the
encroachments
until
the
big
meeting,
but
I
had
a
thought,
I
think
I'm,
not
particularly
interested
in
costs
and
and
what
this
might
cost.
But
I
am
sympathetic
to
the
idea
that
students
are
here
and
that's
terrible
for
them
to
have
to
move
out.
So
in
terms
of
that
retaining
wall
when
I
throw
this
out
to
City
staff.
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
even
possible
either.
H
If
we
could
maybe
propose
that
this
stays
for
the
current
year
and
then
in
the
summer
next
year
it
gets
ripped
out
and
built
as
it
were
or
as
it
were
approved.
So
that
was
a
thought.
I
had
there's
no
reason
to
sort
of
answer
it
now,
but
maybe
that
is
a
compromise
that
makes
both
sides
happen.
H
I
also
just
have
a
question.
You
know
we've
been
focused
on
staircase
and
this
retaining
wall,
but
I
think
also
part
of
area.
D
is
around
the
corner
where
it
used
to
be
a
seating
area
with
some
tables
and
chairs,
and
some
stairs
down
that
has
become
just
an
area
of
Refuge
now
with
a
railing
around
it.
So
I
think
that
we
could
talk
about
that
at
the
meeting
too,
because
we
kind
of
think
we
ran
out
of
time
or
or
forgot
about
it
at
the
last
meeting.
A
Thank
you
Emily,
especially
for
that
that
change
with
the
seating
area
I
had
totally
forgotten
about
that
basil.
F
Yeah,
so
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
two
things
that
I'm
curious
to
know
a
bit
more
about.
First,
the
the
grass
I
would
like
a
bit
more
information
about
that.
Please
I
know
that
the
previous
iteration
was
a
bit
different
when
we
saw
it
in
person
that
was
when
it
was
presented
so
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
the
the
same
wouldn't
occur
for
the
grass
it'll
be
good
to
have
a
bit
more
detail
on
that.
That
would
be
something
I'd
be
curious
about
seeing.
F
The
second
thing
was
about
the
brick
on
the
back,
I
think
giving
a
justification
for
why
that
would
be
needed,
given
that
it's
not
visible,
I
think
might
be
a
helpful
thing,
so
those
are
two
things.
I
think
they
were
most
prominent.
That
I
was
curious
to
ask
about
for
the
next
meeting.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
basil,
so
I
want
to
check,
in
with
staff,
on
sort
of
what
the
pathway
and
options
are
around
the
fourth
area
and
then
they're
they're
asked
around
the
CEO.
M
So
I
mean
where
I
think
you
know
there
are
options
for
you
know
putting
in
a
performance
bond
or
something
you
know
and
and
still
getting
your
Co
and
we
hold
that
Bond
until
that
is
an
option,
but
you
have
to
have
something
to
do
to
base
a
performance
bond
on
so
so
where
I
would
like
to
what
I
would
feel
comfortable
with
is
by
September
26
or
the
planning
board
meeting
you
have.
You
agree
on
what
has
to
happen
on
the
site.
M
You
come
to
an
agreement
and
I
mean
then
then
I
think.
Once
you
agree,
we
can
move
forward.
We
have
options,
but
until
that's
until
there's
an
agreement
on
what
should
happen
in
each
area.
There's
nothing
to
you
know.
M
B
M
B
Right
and
the
other
piece
of
information
is
that
they
wouldn't
go
to
the
BJ
until
November,
if
they're,
indeed,.
D
M
A
Yeah
I
I
think
that
sounds
right.
I'll
say
that
My
worry
is
that
we
are
going
to
get
to
this
meeting.
We're
going
to
feel
like
we're.
Real
close
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
pressure
from
the
applicant
for
us
to
give
them
this
thing.
We're
not
going
to
want
to
disrupt
the
lives
of
all
these
students
and
we're
going
to
want
to
find
a
way
forward.
That,
maybe
is
not
the
best
way
forward
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
at
the
next
planning
board
meeting.
A
M
I,
haven't
I,
don't
mean
to
keep
harboring
on
this
side,
but
I
do
have
a
question
Jacob.
Could
you
pull
up
the?
Could
you
pull
up
the
before
and
after
photos
of
this
side
of
the
building.
M
Those
but
the
the
site
plan
the
change.
I
M
Yeah,
so
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
don't
quite
understand
is
there
was
a
whole
Bank
of
trees.
You
see
them,
they
were
on
not
on
the
your
property,
but
they
were
on
the
adjacent
property,
which
was
part
of
why
there
didn't
need
to
be
trees
in
front
of
the
stairwell,
because
there
were
already
all
these
trees.
So
what
happened
to
those
trees?
There
don't
appear
to
be
any
trees
there.
M
Now
you
I,
don't
expect
you
to
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
that
was
part
of
the
consideration
for
what
what
should
happen
on
that
side,
all
those
gray,
the
gray
circles.
You
know
those
that
was
part
of
the
not
on
your
property,
but
part
of
this
I.
K
K
K
I
would
need
to
look
and
see
when
that
parking
area
was
installed
in
its
current
condition.
They.
K
Will
not
pay
if
they're
it's
a
gravel
parking
lot,
but
it
is
up
to
the
property
line
and
in
fact
it
encroaches
over
the
property
line
at
the
curb
cut
to
the
main
road,
so
they're,
based
on
the
the
neighbor's
condition.
There
could
not
be
those
trees
there
currently
whether
they
existed
at
the
beginning
of
this
process.
I
can't
answer
in
the
affirmative
without
doing.
M
K
M
Okay,
I'm
just
curious
I,
just
you
know,
I
don't
know,
but
if
the
board
is
interested
in
that
question
we
can
look.
We
can
look
back
through
the
application
materials
and
see
what
the
explanation
is,
but
I
mean
they're
not
on
the
property.
So.
E
A
A
Sorry
no
worries
so
seeing
none
I,
think
I.
Think
we'll
move
on
I
want
to
thank
the
applicant
for
responding
in
the
ways
they
have,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
find
a
path
forward,
and
you
know
hope
hope
that
there's
a
way.
K
K
I
think
I
think
we
will
be
looking
for
a
meeting
with
with
Nikki
and
Lisa
and
Megan
in
the
very
near
future
to
sort
of
address
those
zoning.
H
A
Nice
to
see
you
too
do
we
have
Cliff
Street.
A
Right
not
doing
the
street
I
think
that
brings
us
to
a
gender
review.
B
And
always
please
just
interrupt.
If
you
have
questions,
we
don't
have
any
one
coming
in
to
speak.
So
that's
good
for
first
length
subdivision
review.
We
do
have
two.
We
did
not
see
Cliff
Street,
but
we
have
210
Grandview,
Avenue
and
225
Cliff,
Street
subdivision
and
unfortunately
I'm
just
noticing
this
now
I
apologize.
We
do
have
the
special
permit.
M
A
Well,
we've
seen
Cliff
Street
before
right.
This
is
Cliff
Street
Retreat
or
this
something
else
something
else
in
the
subdivision.
B
K
B
A
B
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
Know
give
them:
okay,
okay,
fine!
It's
like
a
farmer's
market
potential.
Final
approval
phase
one!
So
that's
parking
lot
that
you'll
hear
about.
B
Right,
those
in
expansion-
they
didn't
have
anything
new
for
you
know
to
show
us
I,
think
it's
pretty
well
baked
with
the
ilpc
et
cetera,
but
we'll
review
the
piece.
B
B
Hearing
and
then
the
thief-
and
this
one
I
think
will
be
the
reason
why
it's
bumped
into
a
thief
and
not
a
thief
is
that
it
is
historic,
so
it,
but
you
know,
pretty
straightforward.
All
they're
doing
is
renovating
basically
on
the
same
footprint,
so.
B
The
local
Redbud
distilling,
I'm,
not
sure
we'll
do
I
might
put
potential.
Actually,
if
you
don't
mind,
no.
A
Let's
do
that,
but
we.
B
E
For
this,
one
I
saw
the
updates
on
the
design.
Is
it
too
early,
or
is
it
appropriate
to
ask
for
material
samples
at
this
point.
B
E
Because
I
know
that
the
what
they
came
back
with
is
quite
different
from
what
they
originally
presented
and
it
seems
a
little
monotonous,
so
I
think
it'd
be
nice
to
see
the
material.
D
B
Sure
yeah,
and
that
would
be
great
to
put
it
on
the
radar
anyway.
So
if
they
can't
bring
at
this
meeting,
you
know
have
it
as
soon
as
yeah.
No
that's
a
good
idea!
I'll
do
that.
You
know
so.
I
interviewed
the
dean
that
sounds
like
that'll,
be
pretty
like
they've
responded
to
your
comments,
so
I
think
that
that'll
be
pretty
straightforward,
don't
appeals!
There
are
none
for
October
so
far
that
we
know
of
so
I
think
that's
that
and
no
old
new
business
and
then
a
tournament.
H
Do
you
have
I'm
sorry,
the
North
Aurora
Street,
Project,
8
15.
A
The
one
thing
that
leaps
out
to
me
is
that
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
part
three
review
and
when
we're
running
late,
which
we're
going
to
be
the
Temptation,
is
to
skip
part
three
review,
so
some
guidance
on
which
are
more
important
to
try
to
hit
in
this
meeting
might
be
helpful
just
so
that
I'm
prioritizing
the
right
things.
Absolutely.
B
Yeah
yep
highlights
and
sections
of
each
Thief.
If
we
have
any
questions,
yep
we'll
do
that
and
we'll
let
you
know
in
the
packet
Rob
when
you
guys
get
it
when
you,
okay,.
B
I
I
B
Well,
one
other
thing
and
I'll
just
send
us
an
email.
A
theory
was
they
thought
they
were
going
to
come
back
with
those
the
conditions
that
you
had
approved
that
you
had
on
the
final
approval,
I
told
them
I'm,
just
gonna,
send
it
via
email,
so
I'll
send
that
to
you
all
via
email
and
if
it's,
if
you
feel
like
it's
not
doable
over
email,
just
let
me
know,
and
we
can
put
them
on
yeah.
A
That
sounds
very
workable,
okay,
I'll,
say:
I
really
liked
having
four
planning
board
meeting
members
in
a
PRC
meeting.
I'm,
not
sure
that's
ever
happened
before
yeah.
I
D
B
D
B
A
All
right,
I'll,
look
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
I,
see
Emily,
move
and
Correa.
Second,
all
in
favor
have
a
nice
rest
of
your
day
and
night.