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A
A
E
Oh
welcome
everybody
out
there
in
TV
Land.
This
is
the
December
meeting
of
the
reimagining
public
safety.
Special
committee
with
us
today
are
Robert
cantelmo
from
the
fifth
fifth
fourth
Fifth
Ward,
and
my
first
Ward
colleague,
Cynthia
Brock.
E
E
One
thing
I'll
say
from
from
the
get-go
is
that
we
have
not
had
our
meeting
with
people
from
Rochester,
yet
they
couldn't
meet
until
next
week
and
we're
going
to
meet
with
them
next
week
on
zoom
on
Monday,
hopefully,
and
we're
looking
forward
to
that
and
learning
more
about
their
program
with
unarmed
Personnel
who
are
not
part
of
the
police
department,
but
handle
handle,
calls
that
our
Police
Department
currently
make
I'll
ask
the
members
who
are
present
if
they
have
any
updates
on
the
research
they've
been
working
on.
C
E
Okay
so
I
hope
we've
all
looked
through
the
the
papers
that
Shelley
sent
to
me
a
week
or
two
ago
which
talk
about
the
interviews
and
Community
forums
that
took
place
at
the
beginning
of
the
reimagining
process
that
focused
on
people
in
the
community,
who
don't
often
get
involved
in
these
types
of
discussions.
B
E
First
of
all,
the
focus
groups
were
made
up
of
as
I
said
people
who
don't
normally
get
involved
in
in
community
forums.
They
include
veterans
returning
citizens,
that
is,
people
who
have
been
incarcerated
in
prison
and
have
returned
to
the
community
people
with
disabilities,
the
LGBT
Q
Plus
community,
latinx,
community
immigrants,
college
students,
the
community
leaders
of
color
clock
black
women,
the
black
and
brown
community,
Asian
and
Asian
American,
community
indigenous
people
and
houseless
people.
E
There
was
also
law
enforcement
focus
groups
and
those
were
those
were
not
done
by
community
members.
Those
were
overseen
by
the
center
for
police
Equity
CPE.
That
was
their
first
job
here
in
Ithaca
and
they
recruited
facilitated
and
strived
all
law
enforcement
focus
groups.
E
E
They
did
a
single
question
survey
with
137
respondents
questionnaire
with
236
responses,
129
of
those
or
roughly
half
were
outside
outside
the
city,
and
the
community
voice
transcripts
ran
from
November
6
of
2020
to
December
5th
of
2020..
None
of
these
transcripts
were
recorded
and
they
were
they
were
basically
what's
the
word
I'm
thinking
for
put
together
in
in.
E
There
were
additional
Community
input
from
letters.
Opinion
pieces
demand
statements
Etc,
so
it
was
a
wide-ranging
fishing
net
of
of
getting
people
involved
in
terms
of
data.
E
There
were
a
lot
of
obvious
holes
if
you're,
if
you're
doing
a
scientific
data
study,
but
basically
I'll
say
they
did
the
best
they
could
and
spread
as
wide
in
that
as
they
possibly
could,
and
and
involved.
As
many
people
from
disadvantages
disadvantaged
parts
of
our
community
as
they
possibly
could.
E
And
this
was
put
together
in
a
report
by
Dr
Melissa,
Gonzalez
and
Dr
Sean
eversley,
Broadwell
I.
Think
both
of
them
were,
could
I
see
and
are
part
of
Community
leaders
of
color.
E
Here's
where
we
get
to
the
meat
of
it,
the
key
themes
from
targeted
focus
groups
number
one
was
that
respondents
feel
disrespected
by
police
during
everyday
interactions.
Whether
or
not
those
interactions
lead
to
a
citation
the
bipart
community,
that
is
black
indigenous
people
of
color
respond.
Respondents
are
hyper
aware
of
social
of
racial
tensions
in
Ithaca
and
Tompkins
County
and
on
the
national
scene.
E
Responded
to
several
focus
groups
expressed
a
preference
handling
unlawful
situations
themselves,
rather
than
calling
the
police
spawners
expressed
a
lack
of
trust
between
marginalized
people
and
law
enforcement
respondents
expressed
distrust
in
the
reimagining
public
safety
process,
explicitly
questioning
whether
anything
will
come
of
your
employee.
We
should
take
note
of
that
responders.
Do
not
think
that
law
enforcement
know
how
to
de-escalate
situations.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Law
enforcement
should
reflect
the
community
in
terms
of
both
race
and
ethnicity
and
gender
Institute.
Restorative
justice
practices
increase
the
availability
of
Mental
Health
Services
for
police
law
enforcement,
should
collaborate
with
other
social
service
agencies,
redistribute
resources
from
police
to
agencies
that
are
working
to
alleviate
poor
issues
of
inequality.
For
example,
poverty,
housing
inequities,
racial
Injustice,
Etc.
F
Property,
thank
you.
George
I
have
a
few
so
feel
free
to
cut
me
off,
reflecting
on
this
I
I
kind
of
took
some
four
points
that
I
want
to
maybe
offer
for
exchange
among
colleagues.
Here,
I
think
one
thing
that
jumps
out
as
an
important
charge,
that
is,
when
I
ordered
the
section
from
the
community
on
recommendations
around
the
training.
F
I
know
that
we
do
have
a
very
robust
training
effort
that
we've
also
expanded
as
of
late
and
I.
Think
a
good
Next
Step
worth
discussing
might
be
something
like
exploring
and
I'm
just
kind
of
riffing
here,
but
something
like
an
outside
consultant
from
the
national
search
who
can
identify?
What
are
the
best
practices
that
we
see
across
the
state
or
across
the
country
on
addressing
some
of
the
things
concerned
here
and
then
weigh
that
against
the
training
that
is
currently
offered
by
our
department
and
sort
of
A
needs
assessment
way
of
okay.
F
We
do
do
really
good
trainings
on
de-escalation
in
these
areas,
but
perhaps
maybe
we
need
more
attention
to
anti-bias.
We
may
maybe
we
need
more
attention
to
trauma
or
policing
right,
but
just
like
getting
that
sort
of
outside
evaluator
perspective
and
then
working
to
then
provide
the
department
with
the
resources
to
better
equip
themselves
for
handling
those
situations.
F
I
mentioned
this
as
an
early
item
versus
government
because,
as
as
many
colleagues
know
for
the
Public's
edification,
you
know
in
terms
of
funding.
This
is
an
area
we're
turning
to
the
Department
of
Justice's,
Community,
oriented,
policing
or
cops
grants
is
a
really
good,
like
Revenue,
neutral
way
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
help
invest
in
advancing
our.
F
You
know,
capabilities
along
these
lines
and
just
kind
of
particular
attention
to
Pages,
nine
and
ten
in
the
report
that
we
just
highlighted
with
George
I'll,
maybe
maybe
I'll
just
throw
that
out
and
I'll
hold
my
other
items
for
later.
A
It's
my
understanding,
and
perhaps
this
is
something
we
can
clarify
further-
that
we
have
hired
a
consultant
to
assist
us
with
gaining
accreditation
and
part
of
the
accreditation
process
is
not
only
making
sure
we
have
a
complete
and
full
set
of
policies,
but
I
believe
will
also
bring
forward
best
practices
in
terms
of
training
and
so
on.
So
I'm
I'm,
extending
into
my
mind
what
was
included
in
that
contract
but
I.
For
some
reason,
I'm
inclined
to
presume
that
accreditation
relies
on
training
as
well
as
policies
and
perhaps
will
be
included
there.
Yeah.
F
I'd
be
interested
to
just
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
that
I
guess,
I.
Think
I
I
agree
with
what
you
just
said,
I
think
for
me.
The
question
is
like
where
the,
where
the
line
is
almost
best
practice
page
right,
like
obviously
achieving
that
accreditation
means
we're
meeting
a
certain
standard
and
then
I
think
the
question
we
should
ask
ourselves
is:
you
know
once
we've
gotten
that
benchmark?
F
Are
there
still
areas
that
we
want
to
look
for?
You
know
that
might
be
more
on
the
Innovative
side
right.
Maybe
there
are
things
that
are
being
adapted
in
other
communities
that
are
not
so
widely
adopted,
that
they
aren't
sort
of
standard
or
accreditation
processes,
but
but
could
be
things
that
are
really
useful
to
our
circumstances,
but
you're
right,
that's
a
very
important
thing
to
look
into
before
we
look
at
another
consultant.
E
A
One
of
the
things
as
I
read
through
and
looked
at
the
methodology
of
the
study
and-
and
they
acknowledge
it
from-
was
the
recognition
that
this
might
not
be
a
statistically
valid
study.
A
Much
of
the
input
that
was
outside
the
working
group
had
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
be
duplicative
of
all
of
the
working
groups
that
were,
or
the
the
focus
groups
that
were
done.
They
only
28
focus
groups
actually
provided
any
demographic
information
on
the
participants.
A
So
we
don't
really
know
where
these
participants
live.
Are
they
City
residents?
Are
they
County
residents.
A
So
in
that
way,
it's
hard
to
discern
what
is
targeted
specifically
to
our
situation
here
or
what
is
a
perception
based
on
a
lot
of
the
discussion.
That's
happening
on
the
national
level,
which
those
broader
themes
are
important
and
in
the
the
questions
themselves,
which
are
at
the
back
of
the
report
and
by
the
way
you
know
this
report
is
on
the
city
website
for
people
to
look
at.
It
is
called
appendix
item
two
interview
questions
themselves
when
they
ask
interviewees
their
questions.
A
They
don't
actually
specifically
say
describe
your
last
interaction
with
ipe.
Describe
your
last
interaction
with
the
sheriff's
department.
The
question
is,
if
willing
describe
your
last
interaction
with
law
enforcement,
and
so
we
don't
know
how
much
of
the
feedback
is
describing
activities
or
practices
that
are
occurring
elsewhere.
A
E
C
I
I
have
a
few
comments
for
one.
When
we
talk
about
getting
outside
consultation.
Once
again,
we
have
community
members
who
can
do
this
work
just
as
well
right,
so
it
behooves
me
that
we
always
talk
about
how
broke
we
are,
but
we
are
always
talking
about
getting
outside
consultation.
We
have
organizations
in
this
community
that
can
do
the
training
that
can
do
some
of
this
work.
C
Another
thing
once
again
we're
trying
to
find
reasons
why
this
report
does
not
may
not
be
coming
from
ithacans,
which,
which
is
the
focus
groups,
have
told
us
what
they
want,
what
they
need
and
now
we're
trying
to
break
it
down
to
is
this
National,
or
is
this
Ithaca
right
like
what?
What
what's
this
hold
up
is?
Is
is
really
daunting
on
me,
like
I,
I,
I,
I,
I,
don't
I,
don't
get
this
I,
don't
I,
don't
understand
this
and
I
mean
I
thought
this
group
was
come
together
on.
C
C
F
F
My
I
agree
with
you
about
the
ability
of
folks
to
contribute
when
I
say
consultant.
I
mean
that
as
a
way
of
distinguishing
from
volunteers,
I
I
just
think
it's
really
important
for
people
who
are
involved
in
helping
us
with
this
or
compensated
for
their
for
their
labor.
F
G
Heather
Campbell
executive
director
of
the
Advocacy
Center,
you
know
a
couple
of
thoughts.
You
know
when
the
issue
training,
you
know,
is
obviously
a
thread
that
comes
up
in
a
lot
of
conversations
I'm
in
a
lot
of
community
meetings,
talking
about
police
and
criminal
justice,
different
parts
of
the
response
in
our
community
where
training
comes
out
as
an
issue,
you
know
training
as
a
complicated
question
as
well,
and
you
know,
as
you're
thinking
you
know,
and
I
and
I
think
also.
Training
can
be
really
important.
G
Specifically
I
have
time
some
of
the
conversations
we've
had
last
meeting
about
culture
and
how
do
we
create
and
impart
the
kind
of
culture
institutionally
that
we
want
to
have
and
how
does
that
happen
through
individual
mentoring
versus
institutional
leadership
versus
policies
and
I?
Think
training
can
be
an
important
part
of
sort
of
it's
just
sort
of
brings
together
that
can
bring
together
the
Venn
diagram
of
all
three
of
those
areas.
One
of
the
important
things
to
also
recognize
is
the
importance
of
budgeting
for
overtime
and
I.
G
Don't
want
to
like
get
to
granular,
but
this
is
such
a
barrier
consistently
when
our
agency
is
trying
to
do
training
with
law
enforcement.
Is
that
if
you
have
an
officer
who's
sitting
in
a
seat,
you
have
an
officer
who
is
not
on
the
street
and
so
training
is
expensive
and
I.
Think
training
is
good
and
important,
but
one
of
the
barriers
is,
you
know.
G
Just
has
to
be
such
a
a
piece
of
that
picture
and
recognizing-
and
there
are
so
many
mandated
trainings
that
have
to
happen
that
fitting
in
these
other
trainings,
specifically
if
organizations
are
feeling
strapped
for
Personnel
is,
is
a
wheel
barrier.
So
I
wanted
to
just
put
that
logistical
piece
out
there.
G
I
also
wanted
to
just
highlight
that
the
Thomas
County
Sheriff's
department
has
also
instituted
some
new
and
I
think
they
undersheriff
in
particular,
has
instituted
some
new
training
pieces
which
again
I,
don't
think
Encompass
all
of
this,
but
could
be
interesting
to
look
at
I
know
that
undersheriff
has
created
new
training
that
they
do
for
new
recruits.
G
Our
agency
comes
in
and
do
those
truthful
days,
the
DA's
office,
other
other
Community
Partners
to
come
in
and
we're
a
part
of
this,
and
so
there
may
be
also
again
I
think
you
know
you're
talking
about
looking
at
these
sort
of
like
casting
a
larger
net
for
looking
for
these
Innovative
programs.
I
also
think
looking
across
Department
I
think
there's
some
things
that
are
just
quietly
happening.
G
You
know,
potentially
in
other
agencies
that
could
potentially
provide
some
models
for
how
we
think-
and
so
you
know
so
from
our
perspective,
like
we're,
able
then
to
get
in
front
of
all
new
recruits
and
do
truthful
days
of
training
which
we're
not
having
with
any
other
law
enforcement
agency
in
the
county.
G
And
it's
really
valuable
and
I
think
we
thought
about
you
know
even
extending
that
model
to
so
you
know,
picking
up
on
what
they'd
be
saying
is
that
you
know
it.
There's
like
there's
like
there's
like
the
Improvement
in
them
is
like
the
perfect
model
right
and
we
can
like
work
towards
this
aspirational
model
and
other
things
that
can
happen.
G
Also,
that
use
our
community
resources
to
try
to
increase
the
level
of
awareness
and
training
and
opportunity
in
our
opinion,
to
be
so
I
would
encourage
about
something
about
that
as
well.
You
know,
lastly,
and
I
don't
have
to
I,
don't
think
one
of
the
clear
thoughts
about
this.
You
know
something
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
the
the
report
not
being
statistically
about
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
intended.
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
ever
the
intention.
G
You
know,
for
the
focus
groups
to
have
I
mean
focus,
groups
are
I,
think
by
Nature
I've,
been
speaking
as
a
social
worker
they're
by
Nature,
anecdotal,
right
and
you're,
looking
to
capture
Trends
and
themes
right,
and
not
that
kind
of
data
and
you're
really
looking
for
what
those
Trends
are,
and
you
know
again,
I
want
to
reflect
back
on.
You
know,
sort
of
the
caution
of
you
know.
Overall
I
think
you
know.
Yes,
it
would
have
been
a
more
precise
question
to
ask
you
know
what
was
your
last
experience
with.
G
I
was
not
involved
in
any
way
in
that
process,
but
I
would
assume,
there's
all
probably
some
real
safety
factors
of
asking
people
to
be
that
specific
in
their
feedback
right
and
there's
like
safety
and
trust,
and
asking
that
more
specific
question
versus
the
more
general
question
and
I
and
I
again
just
want
to
I
guess
just
caution
of
asking
the
community.
You
know
the
perception
that
we're
asking
the
community
again
and
again
to
prove
you
know.
So
approve
or
document
their
experiences
and
that
I
think
you
know
you
know
it.
G
A
Just
very
quickly
and
I
I
definitely
appreciate
that
I
have
been.
You
know
throughout
the
years
received
many
concerns
with
regards
to
engagements
with
law
enforcement
and
participated
in
you
know,
focus
groups
as
well
and
while
I
appreciate
you
know,
obviously
we
need
to
keep
it
confidential
and
and
protect
the
the
safety
of
of
the
respondent.
A
You
know,
oftentimes,
you
know,
I'll
hear
something
want
to
know
more,
but
oh,
this
was
State
Police.
Oh,
this
was
oh
here
and
then
you
know,
of
course
it
it
resonates
so
deeply
with
their
interaction
and
and
their
feeling
of
all
police.
But
but
you
know
how
much
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
are
happening
and
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
our
responses
are
grounded
in
actually
what
we're
doing
here,
because
if
otherwise
it's
hard
to
know,
if
we're
ever
going
to
be
successful
right.
A
If
we
don't
actually
look
at
what
we're
doing
here
and
analyze
it
on
its
own
merits,
we're
always
going
to
be
tainted
by
the
national
discussion
and
never
be
able
to
recognize
our
accomplishments
or
or
challenges.
If
we
don't
really
know
where
we're
starting
from
and
where
we're
trying
to
build,
thank
you
very
much.
D
You
know
I
I
say
this
as
somebody
that
was
part
of
this
process
from
the
beginning,
who
sat
in
several
focus
groups
who
participated
in
the
focus
group
and
helped
put
together
a
focus
group
and
had
all
the
conversations
from
start
to
finish.
D
The
fact
that
we
are
now
in
December
of
2022
and
there's
a
question
about
the
responses
that
were
given
by
us
in
this
report
I'm
a
little
surprised,
because
at
this
point
in
time
we
know
we
have
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
fixed
and
all
I've
been
hearing
is
that
we
need
to
trust
city,
government,
County
government
that
this
is
going
to
be
addressed
and
fixed.
And
here
we
are
again
questioning
the
the
report
and
and
and
I
know
what
people
were
saying.
D
I
know
the
stories
that
people
gave
that
were
very
specific
to
City,
to
the
county,
people
that
were
talking
about
elsewhere
and
how
we
brought
them
back
to
talk
about
their
experiences
here,
because
this
is
what
we're
here
to
talk
about.
I
sat
through
those
conversations
at
this
point.
What
does
this
have
to
do
with
reimagining
bye?
Thank
you
right.
The
idea
is,
what
are
we
going
to
do
moving
forward
and
we're
talking
about
responses
that
we
gave
almost
two
years
ago?
D
D
It's
550
and
we've
gone
over
the
report.
We've
questioned
what
people
have
said
and
how
it
relates
to
Ithaca,
let's
focus
on
the
task
at
hand
and
figure
out
what
we're
doing
moving
forward.
This
has
been
a
rough
two
weeks
for
reimagining,
as
you
all
know,
with
the
whole
effort
again,
I
only
can
say
this
so
many
times
and
I
know
those
of
you
sitting
in
this
room.
D
So
I
know
where
your
hearts
are
at
because
I
know
you
want
to
make
this
happen,
but
understand
what
this
looks
like
to
the
community
several
years
later,
we're
still
here
and
we're
not
talking
about
forward
we're
talking
about
the
validity
of
our
comments.
It's
somewhat
disrespectful.
We
were
asked
to
come
and
talk.
D
So
I
know
it's
not
like
a
diversion
tactic,
because
I
know
that
you
all
want
to
get
this
done
and
do
it
the
right
way
and
that's
why
we're
still
here
and
I
greatly
appreciate
that,
but
some
of
the
things
that
we
say
and
we
do
just
sound
it
just
sounds
like
it's
not
what
we
want
to
have
happen.
It
sounds
disrespectful
and
it
feels
like
somewhat
of
a
slap
in
the
face
for
a
group.
That's
patiently
waiting.
E
Okay,
I
I
gotta,
say
a
couple
things
after
our
last
meeting,
which
I
thought
was
a
great
meeting.
E
Look
ahead
of
my
Shelley
called
me
and
said:
look
let's
not
forget
why
we're
here
in
the
first
place-
and
she
sent
me
this
report
to
read
again
and
and
asked
me
to
remind
everybody
that
that's
what
that's
the
core
of
what
we're
trying
to
fix,
and
so
I
I
asked
everybody
to
read
this
and
we
I
started
to
go
over
it
again
and
that's
it's
not
meant
out
of
disrespect.
It's
meant
to
re-emphasize.
E
Why
we're
here
so,
if
anybody's
to
blame
for
spitting
their
wheels,
I
guess
it's
me
this
is
so
and
reading
the
report
to
try
to
focus
on
what
it
says
is
not
ignoring
the
fact
that
it
was
written
in
the
first
place,
I'd
like
to
say
something
about
training
and
then
I'll
send
it
to
you
Phoebe
one
thing:
I'm
seeing
from
this
key
themes
is
that
the
need
for
training.
E
But
there's
different
kinds
of
training
ipd
has
instituted
recently
a
new
batch
of
computer
training
and
acting
Chief
Jolie
has
mentioned
how
that
an
officer
can
do
some
of
these
trainings
on
in
their
off
time,
when
they're
waiting
for
something
and
and
that's
good.
Yes,
it
is
good,
but
it's
not
Hands-On
training
and
some
of
the
things
that
are
being
called
for
by
the
community
are
officers
getting
out
of
their
cars.
Talking
to
people
there's
the
live
training
we
experience
at
the
shooting
range
last
fall
that
summer
last
spring.
E
This
spring
is
longer
I've.
In
my
opinion,
that's
much
much
weightier
useful
training,
but
the
problem
we're
facing
one
of
the
problems
we're
facing
with
under
Staffing
is
yeah
not
having
the
time
to
do
that
kind
of
training
and
not
having
the
time
to
do
the
kind
of
training
Heather's
talking
about
so
I,
guess,
I,
guess,
I'm,
just
saying
that's
a
real
problem.
B
C
C
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
that
or
be
honest
there
are
some
questioning
of
you
know
Cynthia
just
kind
of
questioned
what
people
have
put
in
there
and
what
has
been
in
this
report,
like
you
know,
so,
for
me,
I,
don't
know
what
I
feel
in
my
heart
is
sort
of
and
I
know.
We
want
to
see
this
begin
and
start
happening
and
move
on,
and
that's
where
I'm
at,
but
also
part
of
me
is
feeling
like
foreign
is
this
where
I
need
to
be
is
this?
C
Is
this
even
I?
Don't
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
because
I
don't
I
wanna
I
wanna
feel
like
we're
moving
forward
right.
I,
don't
want
to
feel
like
we're
like
stopping
like.
We
need,
to
you
know,
add
some
more
stuff
or
do
some
more
things
and
I
like
everything
that
I've
heard
so
far
as
far
as
the
training
and
understanding
you
know,
because
we
do
need
Hands-On,
but
we
don't
have
the
we
don't
have
we
need
more
officers.
So
thank
you.
F
Robert,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Baby
I
would
say
in
the
spirit
of
moving
on
I,
I
and
and
the
and
in
acknowledging
our
time
I'll
just
throw
out.
We
don't
have
to
discuss
my
points
here
in
detail,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
to
begin
to
offer
some
guidance,
some
policy
guidance
to
the
rest
of
our
colleagues
as
to
what
we
want
to
prioritize.
F
Discussion
around
training
has
been
very
helpful
and
kind
of.
Thank
you
again
for
pointing
out
the
OT
stuff
I'll,
throw
out
another
I'll,
throw
out
another
comment
in
favor
of
pursuing
those
Community
Police
grants
from
the
federal
government,
because
they,
while
they
do
not
allow
officers
salaries,
they
expressly
allow
overtime
payments,
for
example,
the
reason
that
that,
as
I
mentioned,
my
other
three
really
quick,
just
having
again
gone
back
through
this
report.
F
Thank
you,
George
and
Shelly
for
recirculating,
right,
I.
Think
one
area
that
I
would
recommend
us
take
a
hard
look
at
which
we
touched
on
last
month,
as
well
as
we
prioritize
the
expansion
of
our
existing
Community
police
work
right
reading
through
the
comments
from
respondents
from
the
community
and
to
the
point
that
could
just
raise
about
needing
to
interact
with
marginalized
communities
on
a
regular
day
for
this
meeting
to
get
out
of
the
car.
F
F
Third
I'll
skip
my
third
Point
here.
I'll
just
skip
over
very
briefly,
because
I
know
we'll
discuss
it
next
month
next
month,
but
I'll
just
again
know
that
you
know
law
enforcement
focus
groups
themselves
are
saying
you
know
the
ability
to
have
better
coordination
with
social
service
departments.
You
know
I
think
that's
another
sort
of
vote
of
confidence
in
favor
of
of
this
sort
of
social
emergency,
social
response.
F
You
know
again,
if
you're
talking
about
Rochester,
but
that
type
of
thing
to
do
co-response
and
provide
resource
there,
and
then
I'll
also
go
to
something
that
both
groups
touched
on
here,
which
is
you
know,
the
officer,
Wellness
I,
think
physical
and
mental
health
I
think
mental
health,
especially
because
I
know
a
lot
of
these
instances,
whether
they
are
local
or
national,
can
be
attributed
to.
F
You
know
not
having
the
tools
in
a
stressful
environment
to
respond
appropriately,
always
and
so
what
whatever
we
can
do
to
provide
that
that
wellness
support
to
help
play
that
role
in
de-escalation
and
crisis
management
and
again
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
information,
but
I
wanted
to
just
throw
it
out
there
given
for
time
insurance.
E
In
terms
of
what
Robert
said
about
getting
the
right
attitudes
and
beliefs
as
an
important
part
of
promoting
police
officers,
that's
a
really
good
point,
and
it
may
be
a
good
place
to
segue
to
a
discussion
about
recommendations
regarding
the
job
description
of
a
proposed
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
for
Public
Safety.
A
Before
we
outline
the
skills,
we
first
have
to
identify
the
tasks
that
this
person
is
being
charged
with
the
reason
that
I
flagged
for
us
to
review
and
update
this
job
description
is
the
way
as
it
is
currently
described.
A
The
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
is
tasked
with
only
overseeing
the
unarmed
respondent
contingent
and
when
we
on
Council
had
been
discussing
a
non-police
oversight
of
the
department,
we
mentioned
a
position
which
could,
on
behalf
as
the
designee
of
the
mayor
or
city
manager,
be
that
oversight
of
the
police
department,
not
only
in
terms
of
the
operations
and
the
functions
and
the
training,
also
how
it
coordinates
with
other
departments
and
divisions
within
the
city,
as
well
as
Community
organizations
and
major
Municipal
organizations.
A
E
I've
seen
that
job
description
in
which
it's
limited
to
the
unarmed
people
which
at
the
beginning
is
only
going
to
be
three
or
four
people
so
having
a
deputy
Chief
of
Staff
to
manage
three
or
four
people
doesn't
seem
realistic.
To
me,
and
I
mentioned
this
to
the
mayor
last
month
and
and
I
was
under
the
impression
that
she
thought
that
was
an
oversight
and
that
it
would
be
corrected
that
it
would
that
this
person
would
in
fact
oversee
the
police
department
and
the
unarmed
division.
E
The
other
thing
I'll
just
throw
out
there
to
mudding
the
water
further
is
the
original
title
for
this
position
coming
out
of
the
reimagined
task
force
was
a
commissioner
of
community
safety
and
the
reason
we
changed
it
was
that
it
was
believed
that
it
would
a
commissioner
would
disenfranchise
the
chief
of
police
from
doing
their
own
budget
and
being
responsible
for
their
own
Department
and
would
lead
to
a
a
referendum
requirement
to
call
it
that
in
conversations
I've
had
with
Shelley
Michelle
Nunn,
she
doesn't
believe
that's
the
case.
E
She
thinks
that
we
could
call
this
position
a
commissioner
without
changing
the
responsibilities
of
the
chief
of
police,
so
I
think
that's
something
we
also
have
to
recommend.
What
are
we
going
to
name
this
person
Cynthia
and
then
Robert.
A
A
This
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
is
acting
at
the
direction
of
the
mayor.
If
this
person
is
the
mayor's
designee
and
given
the
authority
by
the
mayor
or
city
manager,
they
are
acting
as
designee
of
that
person.
The
commissioner,
as
was
proposed,
would
actually
be
the
department
head
over
the
police
department,
which
is
different.
That
department
had
would
then
be
responsible
for
budgets
and
and
everything
else.
F
A
So
that
is
what
would
require
referendum
or
would
require
complete.
Restructuring
of
the
department
is
to
actually
change
the
department
head
of
the
police
department,
which
would
restructure
the
department
but
having
a
designee
on
behalf
of
the
mayor
or
the
city
manager
does
not
do
that,
but
still
brings
in
civilian
oversight,
which,
frankly,
the
civilian
oversight.
Right
now
is
the
mayor,
so
it
doesn't
change.
E
I'm
mentioning
what
Shelley
explained
to
me.
E
Then,
when
we
go
to
a
city
manager
deal,
you
could
argue
that
they
would
be.
They
respond
to
the
city
manager.
A
F
Robert,
thank
you.
I'm
doing
this
back
to
a
different
part
of
the
question.
You
posted
a
group
which
is
the
scope
of
the
role
and
and
for
me
and
I'm
I'm,
looking
here
on
our
July
6th
agenda,
which
was
the
resolution
that
we
had
put
forward
requiring
the
mayor
to
put
this
position
forward
now.
For
me,
I
still
think
you
know
a
job
description
that
and
I'm
quoting
here.
Aids
in
the
discharge
of
the
Mayors
civilian
oversight
and
disciplinary
and
monetary
duties
of
public
safety-wide
is
what
is
what
we're
looking
for
right.
F
At
least
my
intention
was
for
this
to
play
a
a
important
sort
of
cross-department
coordinating
role
in
providing
Public
Safety
to
the
community
and
I'm
hopeful
that
the
job
would
be
modified
to
reflect.
That.
F
For
me,
I
think
I
want
to
draw
the
distinction
between
who
someone
has
direct
reporting
responsibility,
to
which
we
may
say
are
these
unarmed
responders
and
what
their
other
institutional
responsibilities
may
be
and
I.
Think
one
thing
for
me
that
is
lacking
is
the
role
of
you
know,
of
coordination
and
and
Broad
Public
Safety
oversight,
whether
or
not
we
have
I
think
to
The
Exchange
that
you
and
Cynthia
had
you
know
a
clear
hierarchy
or
or
dotted
lines
on
an
org
chart.
I
mean
I.
F
Think
for
me,
that's
more
of
an
operational
distinction,
but
what
I
think
this
person
definitely
needs
to
be
charged
with
is
helping
to
coordinate
so
that
we
are
moving
in
the
direction
of
a
co-response
model.
For
example,
they
have
the
you
know,
Authority,
whether
it's
on
behalf
of
the
mayor
or
the
city
manager
or
whomever
to
help
coordinate
that
process
and
that
they're
not
just
limited
only
to
being
able
to
provide
oversight.
Correction
to
that
very
small
Cadre
individuals.
E
I
think
that's
a
great
point
because
they
are
going
to
be
corresponding
and
yeah.
You
can't
just
be
advising
one
group
and
not
the
other
Cynthia.
A
B
All
of
that
that
was
said
and
then
also
I'm,
not
sure
how
how
far
I
want
to
go
into
this
too.
But
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
either
changing
or
improving
the
culture
at
ipd
and
there's
and
the
accountability
and
the
it's
a
tough
thing
to
to
share
responsibility
for
that
with
the
police
Jeep.
But
that
was
part
of
the
intent
too,
with
a
supervisor
you're.
E
D
If
you
look
at
one
of
the
versions,
you
know
that
this
person
is
responsible
for
this
co-response
model,
working
with
the
the
the
police
chief
and
so
on,
and
then
you
say:
okay,
what
do
you
need
this
title?
Just
for
that?
I
still
believe,
there's
an
opportunity
to
take
that
person.
D
The
outreach
program
lead
and
create
a
department
with
all
of
those
in
that
in
that
one
department
and
have
this
title
be
responsible
for
some
of
the
training
community
outreach
and
all
of
those
aspects
that
you're
trying
to
get
from
the
police
department
and
work
with
the
chief
to
do
so
and
have
some
of
that
Authority.
That
Cynthia
was
referring
to
to
be
able
to
make
that
happen.
D
G
Yeah
I
think
you
responded
to
my
said
that
yeah
I
mean
I
think
pulling
those
pieces
together.
You
know
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
in
terms
of
the
Development
Goal
right
of
looking
at
either
creating
culture
change,
trading,
more
cohesive
response,
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
in
terms
of
creating
a
local
response,
the
culture
change
and
giving
some
Authority.
G
Hopefully
then,
to
those
kinds
of
initiatives
and
getting
some
some
standing
for
those
programs.
E
C
So
my
concern
okay,
so
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
why
the
community
wanted
this
end
of
this
person
right,
because
this
was
a
request
from
community
having
someone
else
so
I
agree
with
what
what
Travis
said,
but
I'm
I'm
looking
at
someone
who
works
closely
with
the
police,
not
over
the
police
chief,
who
works
closely
to
make
sure
that
reimagining
Public
Safety
is
continuing
on
its
track,
but
also
making
sure
that
the
outcomes
are
happening
and
that
means
so
that
they
are
someone
who
Works
closely
with
the
chief,
also
over
c
c
over
also
works
with
Mona.
C
What's
that
the
CSG?
Also,
yes,
it
works
closely
with
CJC
and
also
works
closely
with
those
other
entities
like
PBA
and
different
things,
but
this
person
will
well
be
doing
will
have.
This
will
mainly
be
making
sure
that
reimagining
that
the
the
the
the
the
the
ads
from
reimagining
Public
Safety
is
happening.
The
acts
from
the
community
is
happening
and
that
they're
working
closely
to
make
sure
that
you
know
ipd
the
chief
and
all
these
things
are
happening
together.
E
If
you
want
to
change
the
culture
they
they
have
to
provide,
some
Direction
am
I,
am
I.
Mistaken
I
mean
I'm,
not
a
organizational
person.
A
F
E
We
need
we
need
to
give
the
mayor
and
the.
B
E
Need
we
need
to
let
them
know
that
we're
not
really
happy
with
the
current
job
description
is
that
fair
y.
E
F
I'll,
let
others
share
their
comfort
levels
but
again,
I
think
the
adjustments
and
job
description
that
you
just
noted
the
identifying
where
whether
that
is
is
maybe
mentioned
through
partnership
with
the
community
or
other
non-governmental
resources
identifying
where
our
training
gaps
are
where
we
can
fill.
Those
I
would
like
to
again
take
a
serious
look
at
how
we
could
expand
our
existing
community
policing,
work
and
prioritize
that
into
the
advancement
and
promotional
potential
for
our
officers.
As
we
discussed.
F
No
one
will
be
surprised
that
I
again
think
the
Rochester
model
is
good,
but
we'll
discuss
that
in
our
next
meeting,
but
I
think
like
getting
the
final
shape
of
what
we
would
want.
The
initial
crisis
response
folks
will
look
like
I.
Think
is
something
that
we
should
include
there
and
then
I
think
some
of
the
I'm
going
to
call
like
low-hanging,
fruit,
again
or
I
might
be
office
of
Wellness
stuff.
I.
F
B
Yes,
I
think.
Finally,
the
the
watch
I
mean
part
of
me
thinks
that
sounds
like
an
interesting
model
when
I
surveyed
other
on
unresponses
across
the
country.
There
are
a
number
of
them
that
did
not
co-respond
and
almost
never
called
armed
police
go
back
up
and
so
I
do
things.
There's
a
role
Maybe,
not
immediately,
but
there's
a
role
for
you
know
initial
on
our
responses
because
it
has
been
proven
elsewhere,
but
again,
I,
don't
know
the
New
York
State
rules.
B
E
I
I
agree
with
you.
Doc
and
I
I'll
remind
us
that
the
unarmed
contingent-
this
is
a
an
evolving
experiment
really,
so,
just
because
we're
corresponding
at
the
beginning,
it
doesn't
mean
we
can't
learn
that
there
are
some
things
that
we
don't
need
to
correspond
for,
particularly
when
we
get
more
a
larger
group
yeah.
One
thing,
I
I,
think
one
idea,
I
really
like
is
Travis's
idea
from
the
reimagined
task
force
and
that
is
to
require
ipd
officers
to
spend
X
number
of
hours
a
month
doing
community
service
I.
A
A
Okay,
foreign
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
if
we're
not
going
to
engage
or
require
officers
to
live
in
the
city
or
even
the
county
and
be
members
of
the
community,
then
I
think
that's
definitely
worth
exploring
and
understanding
the
financial
cost
of
that
as
well.
A
I
also
wanted
to
remind
us
that
we
did
secure
funding
in
the
2023
budget,
for
training,
for
the
community
police
board,
for
certification
and
reinforcement
of
the
skills
needed
and
the
documentation
needed
for
investigations
and
I
provided
information
with
regards
to
missile
board
protections
that
are
currently
in
place
in
that
and
then
more
that's
that's.
A
Right
that
was,
that
was
my
homework.
That
I
was
going
to
provide
just
look
back
at
my
notes,
which
I
think
I
did
provide,
so
I'll
have.
A
It
again,
I
also
want
to
not
lose
sight
that
we
had
mentioned
and
I
mentioned
earlier
today,
and
the
community
police
I'm.
Sorry,
the
the
PBA
has
agreed
to
work
with
the
city
to
do
a
pilot
program
to
identify
what
kinds
of
Halls
could
safely
be
done
with
a
non-please
response,
and
so
moving
forward
on
that
I
think
it's
good
stuff
as
well.
Would.
C
I
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
include
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
this
or
if
it,
if
it
has
to
be
a
group
that
the
the
the
the
the
mayor
has
to
do
it.
A
a
group
of
community
members
who
continuously
come
together,
if
maybe
like
quarterly
every
three
months
of
community
members
who
are
are
watching
and
and
and
evaluating
how
this
is
working.
C
Somewhere
in
there
that
we
could
that
we
continuously
have
the
voices
of
community
also
reminding
us
not
just
reminding
us,
but
you
know
giving
us
feedback
on
how
it's
working.
E
A
C
I
think
that
would
address
it,
but
I
I
also
want
yeah
I,
think
that
that
would
address
it,
that
that's
probably
what
I
mean
yeah
thank.
F
Definitely
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
what
you
just
know
in
Cynthia,
but
I
also
will
acknowledge
right
that
that's
part
of
the
there's
some
commute
there's
some
community-wide
County
implications
there
that
are
not
just
City
specific
another
possible
vehicle
for
this
is
you
know
we
have
the
four
advisory
commissions
for
the
city,
one
of
which
is
the
public
safety
and
the
information
commission
and
as
those
get
restarted,
you
know
how
I
would
just
I
would
always
just
plug
those,
because
I
really
enjoyed
my
time
serving
on
it.
F
But
I
think
that's
another
great
place
and
it's
very
City
specific.
It
allows
for
that
would
not
be
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I'm,
pretty
sure
of
the
like
11
members.
Nine
are
required
to
be
City
residents
and
two
can
be
from
the
broader
Community
I.
Think.
That's
like
a
really
good
vehicle
for
being
able
to
continue
to
incorporate
that
feedback
since
30
in
the
charter.
E
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
we
end
our
meeting
now
so
that
the
next
meeting
can
take
place
and
there's
a
little
break
for
staff.
Did
anybody
object
to
that?