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A
The
second
document
is
the
document
that
we
prepare,
because
we
run
into
at
least
have
something
in
your
hands
and
continue
generally
what
we
were
talking
about
the
statement
in
the
Box
we
included,
because
there
seemed
to
be
a
little
bit
of
confusion
in
our
last
Community
Police
board.
As
to
whether
or
not
you
know
subpoena
power
was
being
bounced
around
well,
it
certainly
is
being
bounced
around,
because
this
is
from
the
reform
for
the
entire
process
of
pre-imagining
beliefs.
A
The
next
couple
of
things
are:
basically,
the
community
police
borders
operates
under
a
charter.
So
the
fact
that
we're
in
the
charter,
any
substantive
changes
would
have
to
be
a
charter
Amendment,
and
that
takes
time
and
it's
glorious.
If
you
will,
we
consist
of
Warren
consists
of
eight
people,
adults
and
one
youth.
Member
I
think
there
were
only
two
occasions
for
like
maybe
one
or
two
Summers
that
we
actually
had
a
youth
member.
A
A
The
saying
that
I
would
suggest,
as
one
of
our
first
recommendations
would
be,
that
whatever
happens
to
the
Community
Police
board,
that
the
administration
becoming
Council
pay
attention,
because
in
the
past
we
have
been
just
as
I
say,
The
Unwanted
stepchild
and
the
communication
between
the
administration
and
the
community
police
board
has
been
entirely
questioned
where
by
the
difficult
things
would
arise
when
we
needed
confirmation
from
the
mayor
and
he
and
she
failed
to
respond
to
us
after
multiple
times
which
I
find
that
really
unacceptable.
A
As
well
put
on
the
complaints,
but
speaking
of
the
mic,
remember
you
should
bring
it
like
close
yeah.
Thank
you
excuse.
My
voice.
I
have
cold
and
coping
negative.
So
far,
so
what
we
do
is
we
receive
complaints.
We've
received
compliments
from
the
community
about
our
police
departments
and
we
applaud
and
recognize
the
the
compliments
and
and
then
investigate
the
complaints
referrals.
A
We
received
the
the
compliments.
We
complaints
in
a
number
of
ways,
but
the
the
procedure
is
that
we
have
a
paper
copy
of
a
complaint
form
that
is
required
to
be
completed
and
submitted
to
the
city
clerk
and
our
chair
appoints
at
least
two
Commissioners
for
each
complaint,
so
that
we
can
thoroughly
investigate
those
things
from
the
citizens.
A
A
So
when
we're
doing
an
investigation,
We,
Gather
and
examine
evidence
and
there's
a
wide
range
from
talking
to
witnesses
that
are
presented
to
us
officer
interviews,
we
do
the
body
cams,
sometimes
hours
and
hours
of
body
cam
of
video
to
see
what
what
we
can
gain
from
that
as
far
as
firsthand
evidence
goes
so
that
we
can
come
up
with,
but
a
good
sense
of
what
happened
in
the
situation.
That's
being
you
know,
questioned
by
any
citizen,
so.
A
A
lot
of
times
it's
in
person
that
we're
visiting
and
Gathering
evidence
from
the
complainant.
Sometimes
it's
it's
only
phone
interviews
and
sometimes
it's
multiple
times,
but
we
interview
the
same
person
as
a
follow-ups.
A
So
it's
it's
time
consuming,
but
it's
all
in
the
in
the
spirit
of
the
Gathering
as
much
information
as
we
can
about
the
incident
in
question.
Police
officers
are
not
being
held
to
speak
with
us,
but
in
my
experience
and
on
our
discussions,
most
voluntarily
do
talk
to
us
and
from
what
I've
heard
about
the
history,
this
has
been
a
long-term
project.
A
There
was
a
meeting
some
time
ago
whereby
the
mayor
and
the
police
chief,
the
PBA
and
City
attorney
and
members
of
the
community
police
board,
sat
down
and
negotiated
how
things
were
going
to
be
worked
on
attention
to
firework.
One
of
the
big
stumbling
logs
was
that
the
police
felt
that
the
citizen
would
just
lie
on
the
complaint.
We
were
asking
them
to
swear
to
anything,
so
we
amended
the
Complaint
Form
and
we've
had
fantastic
success
ever
since
then,
when
it
comes
to
the.
B
Absolute
complaints
have
been
submitted,
a
resolution
of
what
complaint
is
determined
by
the
board.
After
an
investigation,
the
Commissioners
are
assigned
draft
a
report,
but
then
that's
reviewed
by
the
board
as
a
whole
and
then,
ultimately,
your
decision
is
rendered
as
a
whole.
We
all
make
decisions
together.
Recommendations
are
made
if
the
findings
provide
information
that
the
police
department
could
improve
upon
general
or
specific
procedures.
Recommendations
include
changes
to
rules,
bylaws
regulations
for
police
departments
directly
to
the
chief
of
police,
observations
and
evaluations
of
performance
of
officers
are
included
in
all
reports.
B
Another
thing
to
note
is
that
reports
are
provided
to
the
mayor
and
to
the
chief
in
terms
of
and
and
the
complaint.
Of
course,
obviously,
the
our
board
submits
an
annual
report
to
the
mayor
and
common
Council
regarding
activities
and
regulation
recommendations
and
that's
annual
reports
that
are
provided
paper.
Complaints
are
also
available
on
the
cpv
website
and
on
the
seat
in
the
city's
main
site
and
form
it's
also
available
at
ipdg
and
the
city
clerk's
office.
B
The
cpb
are
on
board.
We
submitted
a
response
to
the
complete
to
we.
Can
we
submitted
a
response
to
the
completed
reimagining
report
to
offer
our
thoughts
and
emphasize
regarding
the
plan,
the
response
was
disseminated
to
the
mayor
and
Council.
So
a
lot
of
we
already
have
this
information
when
it
comes
to
recommendations.
B
We've
noted
one
already
right
having
to
do
with
this
community
police
award
being
police
staffed,
probably
being
the
primary
start.
Information
about
the
community
police
board
and
access
to
complaint
forms
should
be
expanded,
probably
not
just
to
GS
iqb
ipv
or
the
city
clerk's
office,
but
perhaps
to
every
community
service
organization
that
exists
in
Ithaca,
maybe
even
stores
as
well.
B
A
For
us,
that's
what
we're
standing
and
we
would
encourage
support
and
funding
for
the
police
department.
Unfortunately,
the
three
of
us
have
seen
the
publication
of
the
proposed
budget
from
the
mayor.
A
Quite
frankly,
it's
disappointing
that
desk,
seeing
the
rate
of
crime
in
this
particular
Community
is
at
an
all-time
high
for
me
and
I've,
been
here
since
1977..
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
take
the
amount
of
crime
into
consideration
when
we
decide
we
make
decisions
moving
forward
and
I
think
that
we
would
like
to
hear
from
the
folks
for
reimagining,
and
so
what
your
thoughts
are,
because
this
is
the
first
opportunity
that
we've
actually
had
to
see
what
may
or
may
not
happen
to
the
complexion
of
the
community
put
us
more
or
less.
C
A
Into
what
the
community
police
board
will
do
moving
to
the
Future,
and
these
are
good
recommendations.
A
Could
you
tell
us
why
you
don't
support
supreme
power
foreign?
A
A
We
prefer
the
method
of
like
a
acute
resolution
rather
than
an
adversarial
model
which
imposing
this
opinion
would
be.
Additionally,
it
would
be
additional
funding.
It
would
have
to
have
an
attorney.
It's
a
big
bowl
of
wax
in
I'm,
not
certain
that
you
give
community
members
to
volunteer.
Maybe
you
would.
B
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
add
is:
let's
say
you
play
this
out.
Let's
say
the
supreme
power
cuts
that
well
you're
going
to
end
up
at
right
now,
when
we
have
our
meetings
with
folks
or
interview
with
folks,
and
it's
very
much
one
of
voluntary
ability,
basis
and
folks
to
a
certain
degree,
feel
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
where
you're
going
it
might
be.
What
made
tend
to
happen
is
you're
going
to
have
memes
meetings
where
it's
going
to
be
a
lawyer
president.
B
Every
time
the
other
part
of
this
is
there
are
the
question,
ultimately,
is:
what
exactly
is
the
problem
in
hopes
of
being
solved
and
they're?
In
my
personal
view,
there
are
a
number
of
different
shortcomings
that,
before
you
even
get
that
to
that
clinician
being
powered
that
should
be
attended
to,
and
rather
urgent,
the
other
part
of
it
is
for
us,
at
least
for
me
when
it
comes
to
the
subpoena
power
process.
I
just
think
it's
one
of
those
things
where
we
ultimately
become,
and
even
before
we
have
subpoena
power.
B
There
have
been
moments
where
our
board
has
been
used
as
a
scapegoat
and
when
certain
disappointments
come
to
take
place,
either
as
a
state
board
or
as
a
I
will
be
or
stapled
or
were
used
as
an
excuse
or
some
sort
of
reasoning,
or
even
in
some
cases,
assume
that
we've
had
a
discussion
with
a
particular
Administration
before
certain
actions
are
taken,
and
so
my
concern
is
what
exactly?
Not
only.
What
are
we
looking
to
focus
on?
What
exactly
is
the
problem?
B
My
biggest
fear
is
that,
as
it
has
happened
before,
without
subpoena
will
probably
likely
become
even
heightened.
We
end
up
becoming
State
bill,
so
folks
that
are
more
so
failing
to
do
other.
Well,
really
their
jobs,
and
so
I
I'm
not
looking
to
kind
of
cover
other
folks
that
are
not
necessarily
probably
doing
their
jobs.
C
A
Just
add
my
question:
when
I
I
saw
and
heard
that
this
was
in
the
reimagining
report
is
what
what
issue
was
with
best
recommendations
supposed
to
address
what
what
led
the
reimagining
task
force
to
recommend
enhanced
powers
for
the
police
board.
What
what
are?
What
is
our
board
not
doing
that?
We
should
be
doing
as
far
as
this
goes,
because,
because
the
recommendation
says
that
this
recommendation
should
seek
to
build
a
more
trusted
relationship
between
the
community
and
the
board,
ensuring
that
the
issues
have
misconduct
are
thoroughly
and
fairly
investigated.
A
To
me
that
language
is
is
pointing
in
a
certain
direction
that
there
is
lack
of
trust
or
lack
of
using
our
cord
for
for
its
intended
purpose.
So
my
my
basic
question
is
what
what
is
what
what's
wrong?
That's
what
we're
doing.
A
Okay,
man,
just
a
small
thing
to
that,
is
that
you
know
part
of
this
indicates
that
they
want
us
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
suspend
or
you
know,
take
disciplinary
actions
officer
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
officers
based
on
our
reports
are
no
longer
there
and
we
didn't
have
to
do
that.
All
we
had
to
do
is
then
report
that
we're
substantive
as
to
what
did
didn't
happen
and
in
my
right
relationship.
There's
five
of
guys
that
aren't
here
anymore,
based
on
reports
that
you
submitted.
D
This
evening,
I
wanted
to
turn
for
a
moment
about
the
communication
issues
that
you
flagged
as
it
having
existed
between
the
board
and
City.
Hall
and
I
was
wondering,
if
you
all
might
I
know
I'm
kind
of
playing
Wellness
Bob.
If
you
might
share
some
Reflections
on
what
you
like
the
Lord's
relationship
with
the
new
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
and
Public
Safety.
To
be
because
it
strikes
me
that
if
you
are
not
seeking
additional
subpoena
powers
that
there
still
may
be
an
Avenue
for
working
in
the
disciplinary
architecture
alongside
this
individual.
D
B
B
I
am
not
of
full
belief
that
the
last
the
current
Administration
or
the
last
Administration
read
all
our
reports,
because
if
they
did
their
actions,
don't
tell
me
so
and
so
for
me
before
we
even
talk
about
the
deputy
manager
and
all
these
other
things
it
cannot
solely
I,
do
not
want
the
roof
to
be
at
the
deputy
manager.
This
thing
should
be
of
direct
connection
to
the
mayor
and
whoever
else
is
involved.
A
A
A
A
Thank
you
drop
that
thing
so
many
times
a
day.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
I.
Appreciate
you
speaking
directly
and
currently
about
the
process
of
you've
experienced.
You
know
over
the
past
decades
and
and
also
in
recent
years
and
I
recognize
that
cpb
was
not
involved
in
the
city
county
process
or
as
far
as
I'm
aware
of
the
city's
working
group
process,
and
so
your
your
input
was
not
given.
A
I
myself
was
not
involved
in
either
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
entirely
support
the
recommendation
about
adding
subpoena
Park
as
well.
So
that's
not
what
I'm
arguing
for
when
I
talk
about
increasing
Community,
Police
board
oversight.
I
do
remember
many.
Many
years
when
the
community
police
told
struggles
for
lack
of
participation
of
the
police
department,
police
chief
and
police
officers
refused
to
participate.
A
It
should
not
come
down
to
personalities
of
who's
on
the
board
or
Who's
chief
of
police.
I
would
like
to
see
that
that
discretion
to
participate
are
not
taken
out,
because
I
do
think
that
the
it
is
a
strong
and
important
role
that
we
give
to
our
community
to
say
our
their
Community
peers
have
a
place
at
the
table
to
look
at
community-based
complaints
and
investigate
them
for
statements
of
fact
and
to
make
recommendations
to
the
services
that
we
provide
as
as
an
organization.
A
The
other
element
that
I
would
like
to
see
and
I
think
it
would
go
a
long
way
towards
building
and
reinforcing
because,
as
you
said,
there
is
a
high
level
of
communication
and
participation
now,
which
I
think
is
a
wonderful
thing.
It's
taking
a
long
time
to
get
there
and
I
appreciate
your
work
in
that
effort.
A
A
Our
police
officers
are
not
put
in
the
middle
as
they
are
doing
right
now,
their
task
job
with
investigating
themselves,
and
we
can
have
a
third-party
professional.
Do
that
and
I
think.
These
three
elements
would
go
a
long
way
in
enhancing
that
trust
that
you
and-
and
our
department
has
gone
so
tried
so
hard
to
build.
But
it
would
take
that
one
step
further
and
codify
it
so
that
it
will
be
resilient,
regardless
of
who
is
Chief.
Who
is
mayor
and
who
is
staying
in
your
position.
A
A
Certainly,
training
is
invaluable
asset
and
one
of
the
associations
that
you
mentioned.
We
have
in
the
past,
contacted
them
and
received
information
so
that
we
were
when
we
were
developing
our
procedures,
Etc
about
how
to
do
an
investigation
what's
important
and
what
isn't
they
were
very
helpful
in
sending
information
to
us.
So
I
cannot
imagine
if
any
three
things
would
like
and
Richard
you
could
say
if
you
could
better
a
difference.
B
No
I
think
I
agree
with
all
of
them.
I
think
oh,
but
there's
certain
things
I'd
like
to
add,
though,
in
terms
of
those
things
perhaps
can
be
further
enhanced.
If,
for
the
two
things
I'd
like
to
point
out,
if
the
Staffing
in
the
police
department
being
able
to
enable
supervisors
to
actually
provide
quality
supervision
and
right
now
that
that
is
something
that
needs
to
be
attended,
the
other
part
of
it
is
when
it
comes
to,
at
least
when
it
comes
to
this
portion
of
it.
B
I
just
think
that
increasing
better
quality
and
then
forgetting
the
third
one
I'm.
Sorry,
then,
oh,
the
third
go
ahead.
I'm,
sorry.
B
Third
part:
I
I,
really
don't
have
any
problem
with
these
recommendations.
I
just
think
that,
in
addition
to
those
things
these
things
can
be
enhanced
by,
we
can't
forget
those
kind
of
low
hanging
Crews
that
allow
for
these
things
to
kind
of
continue
and
not
necessarily
even
continue,
but
more
so
like.
If
you
want
quality
work,
you
have
to
have
quality
support
and
so
that
that's
where
I'm
at
when
it
comes
to
those
particular
needs.
B
I'm,
sorry
George.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
is
that
it
is
also
incumbent
on
the
police
department,
particularly
police
chief,
to
make
sure
that
every
single
officer
knows
every
single
member
of
the
police
board,
and
so
that's
one
of
those
things
where
I
would
also
add
to
that
list.
In
terms
of
those
three
things
but
I'll
add
those
couple
things
to
make
sure
that
every
officer
is
familiar
with
all
of
us.
A
A
C
A
C
A
There
might
be
a
question
of
if
there
was
an
external
external
investigator
who
would
that
person
be
answering
to
the
answer
to
our
board
or
someone
else.
I
understand
your
your
point.
In
my
view,
they
would
be
retained
by
the
city.
A
To
investigate
Itself
by
the
community
police
board
to
investing
it
would
be
the
contract
to
the
city
to
do
the
investigation
in
high
profile
incident
sort
of
an
additional
layer
of
over
something
or
review
right.
It
is
needed.
Hopefully
we
wouldn't
need
that
set
up,
and
but
if
needed,
I
didn't
want
to
mention
just
quickly
because
I
know
too.
He
has
a
comment
that
I
want
to
hear
from
her.
A
Clearly
there
must
be
a
breakdown
in
communication,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
my
colleagues
know
I'm
a
I'm,
a
collector
of
documents.
I
don't
have
a
annual
report
from
the
community
police
board.
The
only
one
I
have
is
dated
in
2014..
A
So
if
these
annual
reports
have
been
sent,
we
on
Council
have
not
received
them
and
and
I
just
get
on
my
email,
I've
been
important
to
be
there.
So
I
definitely
agree.
We
I
would
love
to
have
better
communication
and
and
agree
that
we
on
Council
should
be
a
prize
and
informed
of
activities
that
are
going
on
in
the
CPU.
B
E
E
You
know
in
doing
this
work
that
you
know
you
pretty
much
volunteering
to
do
right.
Yes,
oh
yeah,
yeah,
so
I
have
a
few
concerns.
I
have
also
some
agreements,
I,
like
Cynthia's
recommendations,
I
also
so
language
that
was
used.
That
kind
of
set
me
off
what
the
police
are
up
against
right.
E
You
said
that
in
your
ride,
along
with
the
police,
are
up
against
right.
Oh.
A
E
Yeah,
you
also
mentioned
something
about
just
crap
the
whole
thing
and
I
yeah
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
were
me:
reimagining,
Public,
Safety,
no,
oh,
okay,
all
right
and
so
yeah,
some
of
the
the
language
that
was
used
kind
of
felt
a
little
uncomfortable
for
me,
because
one
I'm
new
on
the
council
and
it's
disturbing
to
know
that
your
relationships
like
I'm,
I'm
learning,
as
as
being
on
this
counseling
about
relationships
and
working
together
like
city
workers.
E
You
know
all
of
this
kind
of
works
together,
I'm
saying
you
know
and
I'm
I'm,
pretty
sad.
That
CPD
was
not
involved
in
reimagining
public
safety
and
I'm
understanding.
Why
not?
Because
it
was
an
ax
to
community
and
you
are
community
members
right
like
it
wasn't
it
didn't
have
to
be.
You
still
could
have
been
involved
in
reimagining
public
safety
right.
So
that
is.
That
is
something
that
I'm
saying.
E
A
lot
of
mentioning
today
was
not
about
Community
involvement
and
understanding
the
work
that
y'all
do
right.
How
important
it
is
that
the
community
also
understand
and
be
a
part
of
the
work
that
y'all
do
right,
because
who
knows
do
they
believe
right
now
that
that
and
y'all
came
the
whole
reasoning
for
the
police?
E
The
community
police
board
is
for
the
community
safety
and
all
the
things
the
same
thing
that
we're
trying
to
get
through
reimagining,
Public,
Safety,
right
and
so
or
I
say
all
that
to
say
how
unimportant
it
is
for
us
to
all
understand
what
each
other
is
doing
and
I
truly
apologize
as
a
I
wasn't
on
the
council
before,
but
I
will
surely
hope.
I
can
be
more
inviting
more.
You
know.
One
thing
that
I'm
learning
about
being
here
is
that
and
I
say
this
to
community
members.
E
You
don't
have
to
be
on
the
council
to
come
and
sit
and
make
a
comment
and
stuff
like
that
right,
so
it's
real
important,
and
so
what
I'm
hearing
and
another
thing
about
the
whole
how
bad
crime
is
now
right
and
I
have
to
be
really
honest
and
clear
about
crime
rate
isn't
really
new.
It
just
wasn't
happening
in
some
of
the
communities
is
happening
in
now,
we've
been
talking
about
crime
rates
in
West,
Village
Chestnut
for
many
years.
E
Some
of
the
same
crimes
that
are
being
committed,
I
came
in
in
1993
and
in
Ithaca
on
State
Street
was
my
first
time
yeah
I
think
I
have
been
here
for
maybe
two
three
months
and
I
watched
two
young
boys
stick
up
another
young
boy
right
and
as
who
I
am
I'm.
C
Like
stop.
E
But
reimagining
Public,
Safety
I'm,
hoping
that
at
this
time,
not
only
to
wait
for
them
to
reach
out
to
cpb,
but
to
also
reach
out
to
Mama,
Mina
and
others.
Who've
been
doing
this
work
in
the
community
right
because
I
want
us
to
never
ever
forget
about
George
Floyd
right
who
had
a
foot
on
his
neck
right
and
the
reason
and
like
I,
said
and
I'll
say
it
again.
Cuomo
didn't
do
a
lot
of
things
right,
but
that
executive
order.
E
203
was
one
thing
that
he
did
right
right
and
we
should
not
forget
why
we're
doing
reimagining,
Public,
Safety
and
I'll
be
honest.
I
was
one
of
those
in
the
beginning,
like
oh,
my
gosh,
reimagining,
Public
Safety.
That
sounds
like
something
in
the
Disney
World
movie,
but
as
I
watched,
the
community
and
others
in
the
community
work
hard,
you
know,
I
want
to
see
it
move
right
and
I
want
to
see
us
all
get
what
we
need
and
what
we're
looking
for,
and
so
I'll
close
with
saying.
E
Thank
you
Cynthia
for
these
three
recommendations,
very
well
right,
spot
on
right
and
but
I
also
really
believe
that
we
really
need
to
like
tap
into
each
other
in
the
community
right,
because
the
community
really
needs
to
be
your
support
and
that's
how
we
could
probably
get
some
more
Commissioners
to
work
with
you,
because
your
work
is
amazing.
So
anybody
out
there
listening
to
this,
you
want
to
be
a
commissioner
get
in
touch
okay,
but
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
If
I
can
just
end
for
me,
my
my
concern
with
the
police
department
in
court
with
the
current
issues,
they've
been
limited
to
just
crime
alone.
My
concern
is
more
quality
quality
of
work
quality
of
office,
while
in
in
that
kind
of
thing-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
administrative
shortcomings-
you
know
simply
hiring
more
police
officers
isn't
going
to
solve
a
problem.
We're
going
to
need
to
hire
a
different
administrative
assistant,
so
you're
going
to
need
to
hire
different
other
needs
that
need
to
be
addressed
on
a
regular
basis.
B
There
are
a
lot
all
these
different
issues
that
survive
on
these
simple
lacks,
or
these
low-hanging
groups
that
constantly
exist
and
they
tend
to
be
overlooked,
and
so
for
me
it's
not
it's
not
only
the
particular
crime
rate.
It's
really
just
my
biggest
focus
is
the
quality
and
that's
my
thing
in
terms
of
what
is
a
standard.
What
is
the
quality
that
needs
to
be
set,
and
if
we're
going
to
set
those
things,
make
a
commitment
to
meet
what
they
need.
B
B
The
low-hanging
fruit,
for
example,
one
if
you're
looking
at
I,
would
hire
administrative
assistants
for
investigators
as
an
example.
They
work
they
don't
often
work
at
the
same
shift.
They
don't
work
at
some
Works
night
shift,
but
the
folks
are
dealing
with
probably
operate
during
the
day,
but
they
need
constant
communication
to
keep
up
with.
What's
going
on
with
their
particular
investigation,
you
know
this
idea
quality
of
standard
of
service.
These
obviously
folks
want
to
make
those
things
but
they're
limited.
B
You
know,
you've
got
officers
right
now
are
working
12-hour
shifts
and
how
do
you
intend
on
Surviving
even
or
when
you
have
shifts,
and
you
only
have
five
officers
at
a
time?
How
do
you
intend
on
providing
Quality
Service
when
you
it's
like
trying
to
feed
a
hundred
people,
but
you
got
five
people
on
staff?
B
A
B
Just
pointing
that
out,
I
I
just
think
it's
it's
gonna
cost,
not
none
of
you.
Whatever
Improvement
you
intend
to
have,
will
have
a
cost
to
have
to
it
and
so
I
don't
think
anything's
gonna
come
cheap,
but
if
there's
an
internship
program
that
could
be
run
between
the
Colleges
and
Schools,
for
example,
and
maybe
getting
the
two
colleges
in
schools
to
supply
those
kind
of
things.
There
are
ways
to
get
around
this
that
don't
often
have
to
make
them
seem
so
costly
or
you
know
there
are
ways
to
get
around
this.
C
A
They
do
have
a
problem
with
recruitment
so
having
like
a
part-time
student,
part-time
on-the-job,
intern,
the
police
department,
not
armed
but
riding
around,
and
writing
reports
and
doing
that
kind
of
thing
and
if
they're
successful
with
their
grades
and
they
take
the
what
they
call
Cox
School
outside
of
just
the
Firearms
Park,
would
just
take
the
legal
part
at
the
end
of
the
college
program.
You'd
have
an
officer
that
could
go
right
on
to
be
in
the
street
after
they
pass
their
firearm.
That's
in
it
would
help
with
recruiting
and
have
a
secession
environment.
B
The
other
thing
I
would
add,
I
want
to
highlight
one
of
the
I've
attended
meetings.
I've
committed,
I've,
attended,
a
couple
of
human
Community
healing
meetings.
I
was
I,
was
I
personally
well,
yeah,
I
personally
agreed
and
volunteered
to
participate
as
one
of
the
participants
to
one
of
the
subcommittees.
It
wasn't
a
whole
board
thing,
so
I
did
you
know
I
was
able
to
send
those
kind
of
things.
Well,
my
thing
is
folks
cannot
survive.
Folks
could
not
solely
put
everything
on
Mona
leader,
the
police
department
can't
say
solely
depend
on
monolina
to
save
them.
B
The
city
can't
just
simply
depend
on
motivated
disabled,
it's
not
just
on
them.
There
needs
to
be
a
concerted
effort
to
coalesce
all
the
different
resources,
Human
Services
resources
that
exist
in
Indica
to
better
navigate
and
it
can't
just
survive
on
one
person.
What
tends
to
happen
is
I've
watched
the
meetings
with
the
with
the
city
and
council
with
the
mayor
or
have
seen
it
with
the
Department.
Oh
Mona
leader
will
solve
it
or
oh
Maria
will
figure
it
out.
B
That's
just
not
going
to
be
sustainable,
that's
just
not
going
to
be
enough
and,
more
importantly,
it's
free
to
add
more
people
to
support
them
without
having
to
have
the
additional
hires
of
things
that
builds
nature.
E
Okay,
it
says:
cpb
submitted
a
response
to
the
completed
reimagining
report,
to
offer
your
thoughts
and
expertise
regarding
the
plan,
and
did
we
see
that
we
have
do?
We
have
copies.
E
A
Can
I
can
find
it
and
share
it
with
the
concept?
Okay,
thank.
A
Yes,
which
is
just
to
to
add,
in
light
of
the
suggestion
around
outside
third
party
investigations
in
certain
circumstances,
I
just
want
to
note
that
the
city
does
have
a
practice
of
having
used
outside
third
party
investigators
in
particularly
crucial
case-related
investigations
and
I.
Believe
it's
been
a
successful
models.
A
In
the
last
in
I
can
think
of
once,
certainly
at
least
one
instance
in
the
last
five
years,
I
I
don't
feel
comfortable
publicly.
That
involves
Personnel
matters
in
general,
but
but
I
can
think
of
all
these
points.
Since
the
last
five
years.
B
A
I
appreciate
it
all
right,
thank
you
all
for
coming,
I
really
appreciate
it.
It's
been
helpful
and
we'll
make
sure
that
you're
a
lot
more
in
the
loop
than
you've
been
in
the
past.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
B
A
Our
next
order
of
business
is
to
speak
with
ipd
training,
Sergeant
Matthew
Collin.
C
A
Know
Focus
here
he
is
Matt,
is
in
charge
of
ipd
trainings
and
I
asked
him
to
come,
speak
to
us
and
particularly
talk
about
trains
that
would
address
some
of
the
the
problems
that
members
are
looking
background
and
LGBT
cubic
communities
have
talked
about
in
terms
of
interactions
with
the
police,
so
foreign.
F
A
I
would
it
would
be
good
to
know
what
relevant
trainings
that
you
think
are
relevant
to
this
reimagining,
the
process
that
you're
doing
now,
yeah
and
also
perhaps
trains
that
you
would
like
to
see
done
in
the
future,
and
you
might
want
to
talk
about
when
you're
understanding.
F
Yeah
so
so
I
can
pile
the
list
of
trainings
over
the
last
couple
years
that
we've
already
been
involved
in
and
we've
you
know,
we've
been
doing
and
continually
done
so
just
just
a
couple
out
there
and
I
can
always
compile
a
a
list
and
send
it
directly
to
the
committee.
F
F
F
And
I'll
talk
about
a
couple:
de-escalation
ones,
also
so
a
for
science,
realistic,
de-escalation
program,
Advanced,
assisting
individuals
in
crisis,
I
won't
I,
won't
go
through
the
whole
list.
I
can
like
I
said:
I
can
always
send
you
stuff,
and
this
is
over
the
last
couple
years
things
we've
already
done:
community
community
oriented
policing
and
problem
solving,
basically
building
relationships
with
the
community,
and
how
can
we
improve
citizen
satisfaction.
C
F
The
synth
team
specifically,
but
a
lot
of
de-escalation
focused
in
there.
F
Sorry
I'm
just
kind
of
going
through
my
list
here:
transgender
mindfulness
law
enforcement,
the
transgender
community.
Again
this
is
updated
years
now.
Assisting
individuals
in
crisis,
disability
awareness
group,
Crisis,
Intervention,
lgbtq
awareness,
another
principle
of
policing
course:
racial,
Equity,
groundwater
training.
F
F
A
A
A
question
the
the
trainings
you've
spoken
about
so
far
yep.
So
are
those
department-wide
or
do
people
just
pick
the
things
that
they're
interested
in.
F
Some
are
department-wide
and
others
are.
Some
are
a
couple
day
trainings,
so
it
would
be
something
that
we
only
send
two
or
three
people
to
some
are
trainings,
where
10
or
15
people
have
attended
again.
Some
are
department-wide
trainings,
it
just
kind
of
depends
on
depends
on
the
training
right,
because
some
of
these
are
out
of
state
trainings
right
where
we
have
to
send
send
people
to
some
are
just
in
state
right.
But
some
are
you
know
due
to
costs
staffing
issues
that
kind
of
stuff.
D
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
evening,
yeah
just
following
up
on
George's
most
recent
question:
do
you
have
well,
one
I
would
appreciate
yeah,
like
you
would
mind,
sharing
the
data
of
both
the
full
offerings,
as
well
as,
if
it's
possible,
to
get
data
on
the
number
of
individuals
who
have
attended
by
training.
I.
D
Think
that
would
be
useful
to
know
what
is
most
well
covered
among
our
Force,
as
well
as
things
that
we
want
to
pay
additional
attention
to
other
companies
that
you
might
be
able
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
from
your
perspective,
how
one
evaluates,
how
an
officer
internalizes
the
lessons
and
policies
of
training
right
so
I
think
it's
extremely
heartening
to
hear
the
number
of
offerings
that
you
all
have
Beyond.
You
know
periodic
Refreshers.
D
What
are
the
ways
in
which
the
department
either
does
or
could
you
know,
get
a
sense
for
what
what
things
stick
and
what
things
we
might
need
to
find
alternative
measures?
For
you
know
driving
these
lessons
home.
F
Yeah
so
I
think
that
comes
down
to
to
really
how
officers
are
kind
of
handling
themselves
on
the
road
and
day-to-day
interactions
right
and
all
that's
viewed,
either
from
a
patrol
level
or
a
supervisory
level,
or
through
even
different
trainings
that
we
put
on
for
the
Department
right,
like
so,
for
instance,
reality-based
training
right.
F
So
some
of
that
may
come
into
a
reality-based
training
where
an
officer
is
put
into
a
situation
where
now
it's
basically
just
up
to
them
and
their
decision
making
and
then
we
can
evaluate
you
know
the
decision-making
process
and
what
steps
they
take
in
that
type
of
setting
again
realistically
to
the
to
the
question
of
how
could
we
do
that
more
in
the
future?
F
It's
kind
of
the
same
stuff
right
just
being
able
to
provide
more
training,
and
especially
the
RBT
type
training,
the
reality-based
training,
where
it's
in
the
moment
and
it
can
be
evaluated
basically
real
time.
D
D
I
would
definitely
encourage
the
department,
because
if
there
are
opportunities
that
you
all
are
able
to
identify,
especially
at
the
state
or
federal
grant
funding
level
to
provide
additional
resources,
whether
that's
free
up,
you
know
timer
ability
or
budget
costs
to
get
more
folks
to
trainings
whether
that's
bring
folks
in
from
from
Justice
or
elsewhere.
You
know,
I,
think
that's
I'll
speak
to
myself,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we'd
really
be
interested
in
supporting
and
I.
Think
we're
looking
for
you
know.
D
E
Thank
you
and
thanks
for
that
list
quite
extensive
right.
We
think
we
have
amazing
about
Department
here
with
those
dreams.
So
my
question
is:
how
often
are
these
trainings
and
I
think
you
asked
already
like?
E
Do
people
pick
and
choose
which
ones
right
also
I
was
just
thinking
of
myself
in
trainings
that
I
had
to
go
to,
for
you
know,
organizations
that
I
worked
for
right
and
how
much
it
it
stuck
with
me
right
or
so
I'd
like
to
know:
do
they
come
back
and
and
discuss
what
they've
learned,
what
other
officers
and
also
I'd
like
to
know
how
many?
E
F
Great,
so
if
I,
if
I
miss
something
just
just
jump
in-
and
let
me
know
so
as
far
as
how
often
things
are
trained,
it
just
kind
of
depends
on
when
the
different
trainings
come
up.
F
One
of
the
one
of
the
really
beneficial
things
that
we've
started
just
within
the
last
month
or
the
last
two
months
started
in
August.
But
we
started
into
a
web-based
system,
policeone
Academy
and
that
has
almost
2
000
training,
videos
and
training
courses.
Where
officers
basically
can
either
choose
a
course
or
what
I've
done
is
assigned
courses
to
the
whole
department.
F
And
then
those
officers
excuse
me
take
the
course
and
generally
there's
a
test
or
a
quiz
at
the
end
and
it's
a
wide
range
of
courses
and
it
can
be
a
wide
range
of
time
so
say,
for
instance,
just
since
we
started
the
training
right,
a
couple
of
the
ones
that
have
been
done
is
one
of
the
anti-bias
for
law
enforcement
training.
F
So
that
was
a
two
hour
training
that
the
whole
department
went
through
community
policing,
one
hour
training
the
whole
department
went
through
and
then
a
couple
other
ones,
but
that
kind
of
stuff
is
pretty
beneficial,
with
the
really
with
the
position
that
we're
in
where
people
are
able
to
either
take
a
break
from
the
road,
if
there's
enough
Staffing
or
do
the
training
basically
outside
of
the
office
and
get
that
two
hours.
So
we
can
be
more
consistent
in
in
putting
that
out
and
I
think.
F
Maybe,
when
I
send
the
sheet,
I
can
put
dates
of
these
on
here.
So
that
would
kind
of
better
explain.
I,
don't
have
I,
don't
have
dates
with
all
of
this
on
here,
but
I
can
send
that
send
that
with
it.
F
Yeah
no
great
question,
so
we
have
actually
we
have
done
a
couple
of
trainings
with
local
trainers,
so
the
diversity
Community
Roundtable
I,
believe
that
was
with
and
I
can
always
pull
it
up
and
send
it
because
I
made
I
may
misquote
it
here,
but
I
think
that
was
with
the
top
ends.
Part
of
the
Tompkins
County
diversity.
Consortium.
Is
that
right
and
there
was
one
other
training
we've
done
locally.
F
C
D
Mean
I
know,
obviously,
that's
not
necessarily
an
exhaustive
list,
but,
as
you
were,
as
you
were
speaking,
you
know,
I'm
reminded
that
I
know.
One
of
the
elements
of
reimagining
is
also
taking
a
look
at
officer
wellness
and
in
the
spirit
of
training.
I
was
curious.
Does
the
department
currently
or
has
it
historically
offered
I
think
it's
called
a
peer
support?
Training
I,
mean
I,
know
Department
of
Justice
sponsors
these
programs
to
help
you
know
first-line
responders,
develop.
D
F
So
the
department
has
offered
that
before
and
we've
actually
had
like
train
the
trainer,
so
officers
sent
to
train
the
trainer
thing,
but
another
great
thing
about
the
police
run
academy
right.
F
One
of
the
first
courses
that
was
assigned
in
August
were
two
courses
by
Dr
Gill
Martin
and
it's
basically
emotional
survival
for
law
enforcement,
and
that
goes
through
pretty
much
everything
you
just
talked
about.
You
know
stress
coping
with
stress,
positive
ways
to
deal
with
that
and
then
building
on
building
on
that.
A
I'll
make
a
comment:
Matt
alluded
to
this
one
great
thing
about
the
reality.
Training
is
that
you
can
use
several
of
these
trainings
in
the
reality
situation.
A
I
think
most
of
us
here
have
gone
to
reality,
training
out
on
Burns
Road,
it's
it's
really
really
educational
and
it
shows
how
how
much
has
to
be
taken
in
and
acted
upon
in
very
short
long
time,
and
so
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
accomplish
to
go
to
a
reality.
Training.
C
A
F
A
Anybody
else
Matt.
This
was
very
helpful
and
I
really
appreciate
you.
Putting
this
information
together,
yeah.
F
No
thank
you
for
having
me
I
will
I'll,
compile
a
list
and
then
I'll
send
it
should
I
send
it
to?
Is
there
a
committee
email
or
can
I
just
send
it
to
you
George
and
then
put.
A
It
out,
if
you
send
it
to
me,
I'll
forward
it
to
everybody.
A
E
E
Comment
that
I
would
love
to
see
ipd
work
with
local
people,
who
don't
do
this
work?
You
know
okay,
diversity
and
inclusion
training,
but
also
just
getting
to
know
community
members.
South
Side
have
some
amazing
people
working
me
that
would
be
very
in
I.
I,
just
see
it
as
also
building
relationships.
F
A
C
A
This
is
what
we
do
in
our
community.
These
are
skills
that
I
think
we
all
need.
Definitely
our
our
youth
could
see
that
modeling
and
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful,
so
that's
also
a
way
to
build
relationships
and
also
promote
envisioning,
our
Global
use
for
signing
up
to
your
influence
officers,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
common
council
could
use
some
de-escalation
training
meetings.
Yes,
yes,.
A
I'm
really
impressed
with
the
questions
you
guys
are
asking
I
should
just
sit
here
and
relax
really
good
questions.
Thank
you.
A
All
businesses
follow
up
from
members
on
their
research
Phoebe.
You
are
here,
but
we'll
give
you
some
research,
don't
worry
about
it.
Okay,.
A
So
what
I
chose
to
do
was
to
might
just
walk
out
from
municipality.
Is
that
and
deployed
unarmed
responsiveness,
but
to
choose
a
few
attributes
to
compare
them
against
and
such
as
the
size
of
the
unarmed
response
units
the
calls
that
they
respond
to
the
measure
Etc
yeah,
not
every
city
report
system.
The
same
way,
it
looks
at
all
prioritizing
special
documents
that
I
did
not
have
extract
the
theaters.
So.
C
A
A
There
are
some
commonalities
that
became
really
obvious
to
me.
So
one
is
that
they
all
have
limited
their
solo
response
to
Investments
girls,
so
they're,
examples
that
include,
for
example,
certain
codes
in
that
state
that
are
standardized
with
state
that
refer
only
to
mental
health
calls
suicides
and
all
that
or
there
will
be
asking
which
one
it
was.
But
what
is
the
restricted
on
our
responses
to
anything
other
than
a
private
business?
A
And
a
good
planet
on
the
registers,
but
all
the
way
over
here
where
it
was
probably
that
they
currently
deployed
please
to
everyone
as
a
code
response,
almost
every
girl,
I
think
10
percent
of
she
was
saying
we
would
set
aside.
So
there's
some
work
to
be
done
on
what
and
some
emails
you
sat
down
with
those.
A
Maybe
there's
work.
We've
done
on
my
other
side
that
route
or
if
their
state
requires
that
you
know
across
the
country,
the
rest
of
the
country.
The
majority
of
those
calls
I've
done
and
again
the
mental
health
program,
because
I've
done
with
no
respect
that
whatsoever,
but
I
haven't
we've
done
the
teams
of
two
to
three,
and
so
in
the.
A
Sends
out
these
Vans
and
each
band
has
the
two
records
in
it
for
caliber,
because
something
I
also
collected
the
the
name
of
the
team
where
it's
held.
So
there
are
examples
where
they're
housed
in
with
staffed
by
an
external
agency,
but
as
you
also
see
examples
of
whether
in
fire,
rescue
or
a
public
health
department
or
have
one
but
has
the
opportunity
here
into
the
Cynthia's
process
up
in
the
past,
and
it's
been
articulate
about
the
community.
A
That
I
really
don't
want
to
see
this
any
kind
of
responsive
housing
in
IBB
go
for
credibility
or
maintaining
second
culture
and
variety
of
business,
and
we
see
across
the
country
that
there's
a
variety
of
places
in
which
they
can
be
as
Department
of
recreational
Human,
Services.
And
so
you
know
pretty
good
in
check
with
ifb
I
think
those
are
essential
places
to
put
the
department
on
there.
Yeah
I,
don't
know.
The
initial
recommendation
was
to
create
an
entirely
important,
but
with
budget
constraints,
powerful
measure
concerns
that
we
have.
A
It's
kind
of
Shame,
some
of
them
are
not
particularly
welcome
the
same
integration
like
18
an
hour
whatever
that
comes
into
the
annual
salary,
a
lot
of
business
listed
as
an
annual
salary.
It
needs
to.
A
And
I'm
in
the
process
of
looking
at
the
cold
diversion
rates
for
each
of
these
programs,
meaning
the
number
of
calls
dispatched
by
9-1-1
team
versus
the
police.
A
That
number
is
typically
pretty
low,
sub
10
percent,
but
in
a
sheer
number
of
calls,
probably
can
be
significant.
A
So
so
a
few
takeaways
from
my
perspective
is
that
a
lot
of
your
studies
are
doing
mental
health
responses
completely
alone
without
our
employees
so
same
on
understanding,
it
is
a
successful
model
throughout
the
country.
Another
thing
is
a
lot
of
teams
Denver
star,
for
example,.
A
Limiting
the
coverage
to
a
particular
neighborhood
or
a
series
of
Industries,
so
Albuquerque
I
think
one
thing.
For
example:
listed
a
bunch
of
police
beats
where
they
would
operate
and
then
appointment,
for
example,
studying
in
one
particular
group.
So
that's
something
that
we
could
consider
doing
to
to
wrap
things
up.
A
Slowly
then,
and
then
I
already
mentioned,
I
had
to
take
away
that
we
we
have
existing
City
agencies
that
I
think
it
has
the
meal
under
where
you
have
kind
of
weird
examples
of
things
like
GIS
because
of
the
required
some
strange
historical
budgetary
issues
and
divorce.
I
find
remember,
I,
think
these
lines
with
various
energy
with
that
here
in
city
of
Ithaca
and.
A
Suggestions
on
additional
columns:
this
is
a
work
in
progress.
That's
why
essential,
Industrials
and
so
I
actually
figured
out
because
it's
not
super
useful
on
its
own,
but
the
sources
for
which
I
grab
those
data
are
in
another
job.
That
was
just
notes
and
links.
A
Well,
just
one
quick
question:
the
mental
health
cause
you
mentioned
that
don't
require
police
inhabit
requirements.
Are
those
calls
the
teams
of
two
or
one
or
they're,
almost
almost
every
team
responsible
at
least
two
to
three?
That's
what
I
thought
and
that
I
had
even
thought
of
a
fire
department
themselves
in
something
like
this
and
I.
Think
that's
a
good
idea.
You.
D
Thank
you
Doug.
This
is
really
helpful.
I
know,
but
I'm
about
to
bring
up
is
something
I'm
sure
we'll
get
into
later
this
month.
D
I've,
given
that
we're
speaking
about
the
online
responders
right
now,
I
am
curious
if
you
have
any
information
about
training
times
and
onboarding
for
these
teams,
because
I
would
very
much
like
to
see
these
types
of
folks
included
in
our
budget
this
year,
given
that,
even
if
they
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
visually
deployed
or
fully
hired
I
suspect
there
are
significant
bureaucratic,
organizational
and
Human
Resources
issues.
That'll
that'll
be
required
to
stand
them
on
and
I
was
curious.
D
A
My
other
bit
of
takeaway
or
editorializing
from
some
of
this
research
is
there
a
couple
agencies
I
think
that
we
should
lean
towards
modeling
after
when
is
Rochester's,
closing
neighbors
consultative
adherence
of
New
York
State.
Well,
the
other
is
Albuquerque.
New
Mexico
I
mentioned
this
because
they
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
resources
online,
including
training
plans
and
policies.
It's
all
out
there,
all
right
it
may
be
out.
There
is
other
super.
It's
very
private
replacement.
A
So
I
don't
have
a
timeline,
but
that
was
something
that
they
would
be.
Imagining
working
group
did
not
get
into
that's
kind
of
the
main
directive
that
you
know.
Part
of
the
tool
was
to
have
a
Superman
commissioner
called
state
to
develop
those
plans.
But,
for
example,
we
decided
to
hire
why
we
hire
a
contemption
staff,
but
then
this
is
an
Azure
Public
Safety,
but
I've
started
scratch.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
Rochester
is
a
great
model,
but
before
I
go
into
my
thoughts
on
the
Rochester
model,
I
do
want
to
remind
us
that
the
city
and
county
are
joined
together
under
the
CJC
and
the
county
is
taking
on
creating
a
mental
health
response
team.
A
A
This
is
their
specialty
is
the
intent
that
the
city
duplicate
these
other
parts
and
have
another
mental
health
Team
stopped
by
the
city,
or
is
there
something
in
additional
that
you're
talking
about
for
these
City
respondents,
because
in
my
vision
we
are
paying
for
this
city
county
joint
effort
to
have
the
county
provide
this
mental
health
response,
so
I'm
now
confused.
If
what
our
five
unarmed
people
are
going
to
do,
if
the
focus
is
mental
health,
so.
D
I
mean
my
feelings
on
this:
is
that
I?
Imagine
these
unarmed
folks
would
reflect
the
grant
proposal
that
we
authorized
a
few
months
ago
to
house.
In
that
case
it
was
two
to
three
votes
in
the
Department
of
Justice.
That
was
the
request
to
be
co-deployed
with
our
department.
I
understand
that
there
is
an
effort.
D
Yes,
there
is
certainly
accounting
Mental
Health
Department,
of
course,
there's
no
statutory
reason.
We
can't
provide
additional
resources
to
our
officers
and
my
understanding
from
conversation
with
the
department
they'll
be
all
engaged
in
that
that
the
crisis
mental
health
response
is
an
area
of
significant
need.
D
My
last
Recollections
of
the
county
was
looking
to
hire
two
or
three
people
county-wide,
one
of
which,
perhaps
will
be
you
know.
City
focused,
but
I
I
don't
view
this
as
duplicative
I
think
it
will
be
supplemental,
given
the
sheer
volume
of
responses
that
are
likely
to
occur
within
our
borders.
D
A
A
little
further
than
could
these
funds
support
County
staff
that
would
focus
on
the
city,
but
actually
had
it
be
housed
in
the
county,
which
I
think
has
the
proper
oversight
and
jurisdiction
of
mental
health
respondents
versus
establishing
a
whole
new
structure
in
the
city
for
having
mental
health
response
team.
A
So
that's
my
that
my
wrong
question.
So
yes,
if
we
have
this
pilot
and
we've
gotten
these
Grant
funds,
which
I'm
grateful
for
then
that
we
could
support
that
County
staff
person
with
a
focus
on
the
city
that
is
paid
for
out
of
these
Grant
funds.
But
then
the
administration,
the
orchard
site,
the
salary,
would
come
out
of
the
county
versus
having
a
whole
new
structure
in
the
city.
A
So
that's
one
suggestion
that
I
have
going
back
to
the
Rochester
model
and
and
part
of
the
reason,
I
think
why
the
the
data
is
so
difficult
that
you
tease
apart,
because
I
do
recall
in
in
having
the
conversations
with
Rochester
many
of
the
calls
went
from
community
members
directly
to
this
team.
It
didn't
actually
go
through
9-1-1,
so
it
doesn't
fall
into
that
data
set
right
when
you
go
to
when
you
talked
about
zero
to
three
percent.
A
You
know
we're
utilized
and
there
were
no
calls
just
because
in
many
communities
it
wasn't
but
dispatch
call.
It
was
a
separate
problem
and
so
that's
hard
to
measure
and
the
Rochester
team
I
thought
was
also
very
informative,
because
a
lot
of
the
activity
of
that
team
was
also
mental
health
support
after
a
crisis
like
a
murder
right,
so
you
have
people
they
are
in
crisis.
A
They
need
help
and
support
navigating
what
has
not
happened
to
their
family
and
those
individuals
were
both
mental
health
workers,
but
they
were
also
case
workers
in
the
sense
of
connecting
people
with
resources
so
that
they
could
be
supported,
and-
and
so,
if
we
are
looking
in
terms
of
a
city-based
response-
that's
not
Mental.
Health
I
see
like
casework
being
an
element,
then,
in
which
case,
could
this
be
an
expansion
of
the
lead
program,
because
this
is
also
a
caseworker
program
right
now,
not
housed
in
ipv?
A
That
does
have
oversight
and
and
provides
that
Continuum
of
Care
for
lack
of
a
better
term
right
for
people
in
crisis,
getting
them
the
support
they
need
and
also
providing
a
non-police
response
when
the
community
requested.
So
these
are
just
different
models
as
I'm
thinking
about
that
are,
is
not
a
9-1-1
or
police
dispatch
response,
but
it
gets
at
the
overall
goals
of
really
having
a
community
response.
E
A
E
A
That's
a
good
question
so
most
of
the
generalist
things,
but
most
of
them
were
hiring
licensed
social
workers,
okay,
and
so
they
would
be
getting
already
in
the
Mental
Health
social
work
industry,
so
to
speak,
but
they
would
certainly
also
receive
specific
training
for
being
like
an
emergency
investment.
So.
E
Liaison
Community
responses-
these
are
so
that's
my
concern
around
a
lot
of
professional
stuff
right
that
these
aren't
going
to
be
so
I
thought
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
community
members
who
come
into
some
of
these
positions
right,
but
it
sounded
like
these
are
professional
Community
workers.
A
One
thing
that
I've
heard
from
the
Rochester
model
and
from
our
own
ipd
is
something
that
they
could
really
use
is
a
victim
follow-up
like
very
often
the
cops
will
be
called
to
a
situation
they'll
deal
with
the
best
they
can
and
then
they
go
on
to
the
next
call
and
they
they
never
go
back
to
that
situation.
A
If
we
had
unarmed
responders
who
could
follow
up
and
say,
this
is
how
you
get
to
Mental
Health,
maybe
they're,
not
a
trained
mental
health
worker,
but
they
they're
trained
to
help
people
plug
into
the
things
they
need
and
and
we'll
go
back
again
and
see
how
you
doing
I
think
that
could
be
a
valuable
part
of
this
unarmed
groups.
Job.
C
A
D
Robert
thanks
very
much.
This
is
I
think
help
to
clarify
some
of
my
thinking
and
based
on
some
of
the
discussion
about.
You
know
the
flux
of
where
they
may
be
housed
and
responsibilities.
I
wonder
you
know,
Cynthia's
discussion,
helped,
I,
think
or
believe
this
is
for
me.
D
Maybe
it
would
be
useful
for
us
in
the
future,
I
mean
to
invite
some
of
our
County
legislative
colleagues
from
the
public
safety
or
Health
and
Human
Services
committees
just
to
be
able
to
have
more
of
a
freeform
discussion
about
where
the
demarcation
Alliance
might
be
and
if,
if
that
type
of
response,
if
you
described
your
word,
is
best
suited
for
ifb,
while
also
respecting
the
actual
Mental
Health
Department
barrier,
it's
not
going
to
be
regenerative.
A
I
agree
we're
halfway
through
this
already
so
and
I.
Don't
want
to
drag
this
out,
but
yeah
I'll
need
help
deciding
who
to
ask,
but
I
think
that's,
probably
not
going
to
work
or
something
all
right,
so
dude,
just
I
think
so
when
I,
when
you're
talking
about
connecting
people
and
plugging
them
in
for
me
when
I
think
about
caseworkers,
that's
what
I
think
the
role
of
the
caseworker
is
is
to
be
that
person
to
see
an
individual
in
crisis,
connect
them
with
with
resources.
A
E
I
really
want
to
not
get
caught
up.
I
really
want
to
just
be
clear
that
we
have
organizations
that
are
already
keeping
our
community
safe
right,
who
aren't,
professionals
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
well
I
want
to
make
sure
I
want
to
continue
to
honor
those
communities
right
and
remember
many
of
individuals
who
are
that
we
are
going
to
be
seen
in
this
in
this
area,
will
more
than
likely
want
to
see
people
who
are
from
communities
that
they
know
right.
E
I,
don't
know
so
I
want
us
to
keep
what
I
would
like
to
keep
reminding
us
that
this
is
I
I,
don't
know,
maybe
I
missed
something
and
I'm
going
to
go,
but
how
do
we
keep
Community
involved
in
this
process
right
that
so
that
could
Community
can
continue
to
feel
a
part
of
this
right
like
not
feel
like
if
I
don't
have
a
a
PhD
or
whatever,
whatever
that
I'm
not
involved
in
this
process.
E
A
Who
being
from
a
community?
And
it's
also
potentially.
A
A
We
need
to
go
on
to
other
reports.
Okay,
because
we
only
got
a
half
an
hour
left,
maybe
a
little
more
we'll
have
a
little
more
than
half
an
hour,
but
let's,
let's
keep
moving.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Doug!
That's
good
word
yeah!
That
is
yes!
Thank
you.
My
my
report
is
going
to
be
much
cheaper,
so
I
was
tasked
with
looking
into
visible
or
protections,
which
is
something
that
I
mentioned
in
the
past.
That
I
thought
was
important
and
two
things
dawned
on
me
in
between
last
month
and
now.
A
First
is
apparently
in
October
of
last
year,
Governor
Hogle
signed
into
New
York
state
law,
dramatic
expansions
of
near
whistleblower
statutes,
and
so
basically
the
laws
are
already
there
and
the
policies
are
there
in
the
statute
and
it
is
incumbent
upon
organizations
to
widely
disseminate
whistle
grow
protections
or
information
on
a
list
of
order
protections
throughout
its
departments.
A
So
that's
a
a
wonderful
thing
and
reduce
my
workload
quite
a
bit.
It
does
say
in
the
recommendations
that
internal
processes,
let's
see,
should
be
established
to
basically
set
up
structures
and
educate
individuals
of
how
to
contact
their
staff
and
organizations
with
regards
to
different
things.
A
The
other
thing
that
occurred
to
me
in
this
time
was
we
have
many
aspects,
many
departments
within
our
organization
that
is
required
to
uphold
state
and
federal
regulations
in
order
to
protect
Public
Safety.
This
includes
our
building
department,
our
fire
department,
our
water
department
and
our
Sewer
Department.
A
A
Of
whistleblower
policies
that
we
have
as
an
organization
I
think
need
to
be
applied
across
all
departments
and
I
know
that
in
our
Police
Department
we
have
been
told
that
they
have
established
a
duty
to
report
policy
within
that
department
and
I.
Think
that
is
a
reasonable
thing
to
have
across
all
departments.
A
I
also
noticed
that
we
actually
have
whistleblower
policies
that
were
adopted
by
the
iura,
and
so
we
have
established
a
framework
for
this
within
our
organization.
It's
not
a
significant
step
to
establish
these
policies
to
new
line.
So
ultimately
my
suggestion
would
be.
A
How
can
we
make
sure
that
any
complaints
that
come
forward
are
properly
investigated
and
that
there
are
records
of
these
first
receiving
the
complaint
like
reviewing
a
complaint
and
addressing,
if
necessary,
with
corrections
on
the
complaint
making
sure
that
there's
documentation
that
is
available
over
time?
So
those
are
my
suggestions
for
our
organization.
A
So
would
that
be
some
of
the
duties
of
the
cpv
Citywide,
no
I
think
it.
You
know
whether
or
not
we
have
some
kind
of
reporting
structure,
whether
or
not
it's
in
an
online
portal
and
identifying
someone
within
the
organization
who
would
receive
these
complaints
and
make
sure
that
they
are
properly
investigated.
A
A
So
how
do
we
end
up
with
a
structure
where
it's,
the
complaint
is
not
going
to
the
supervisor,
but
this
uninvolved
third
party
within
the
organization
would
ensure
that
the
complaint
is
going
to
be
properly
investigated
in
addressing
and
I
see.
Are
we
listening
very
carefully
but
I'm,
just
sort
of
thinking
out
loud
as
we
we've
got
through
these
processes.
A
I
think
I
hope
that
some
city
employees
understand
that
they
and
I
believe
they're
born.
They
can
certainly
go
to
the
HR
Director
to
the
City
attorney
and
to
the
mayor
whenever
they
feel
that
their
supervisor
is
not
a
local
person
that
makes
circumstances
to
their
concerned.
So
I
do
think
that
there
are
other
resources
available
to
employees
as
it
is
I
guess.
My
question
would
be
when
you
say
outside.
A
So
yeah
I
think
it's
worth
evaluating
the
potential
for
HR
and
the
attorney's
office,
along
with
Mike's
office,
to
serve
that
role
in
a
I.
Don't
know
that
I
think
especially
HR
already
does.
A
I
think
people
within
departments,
in
terms
of
if
there
is
incidents
that
might
jeopardize
in
public
health
and
reimagining,
safe,
Public
Safety,
has
been
thinking
about
this
in
terms
of
racial
bias.
For
example,
right
I
think
most
employees
know
who
the
problematic
employees
are
within
the
department.
A
Do
they
feel
protected
in
order
to
say
to
someone
there's
this
individual
they're
engaging
in
these
activities
that
like
to
report
this
them
this
to
someone
and
so
that
a
corrective
action
can
be
taken
and
I
think
the
more
we
can
standardize
this
process
remind
people
of
the
duty
to
report
assure
them
that
they're
going
to
be
protected
from
retaliation,
right.
I
think
this
is
the
hesitation
as
people
don't
feel
the
protected
from
retaliation,
and
so
therefore
people
don't
report,
and
then
the
individuals
are
poor
activities.
You
might
replicate
themselves.
E
So
you
were
saying
these
are:
this
is
going
to
this
is
supposed
to.
This
is
for
also
staff
that
will
be
working
under
reimagining
Public
Safety,
because
it
sounds
like
we're
talking
about
something
for
city
employees,
not
about
how
this
relates
to
reimagining,
Public
Safety,.
A
Yeah
I
think
it's.
This
discussion
is
coming
up
through
the
reimagining
public
safety
Pro
process,
okay,
but
it's
a
best
practice
across
the
organization.
Okay,
so
I'm
looking
at
it
broader,
but
it's
coming
up
because
of
the
conversations
we're
having
right
now.
Okay,.
A
I
would
just
saying
I
would
just
say
you
have
to
have
protections
against
false
accusations:
okay,
Robert,
here
waiting.
D
Foreign
I
confirmed
the
items
pertaining
to
essentially
traffic
enforcement,
and
a
few
other
reform
areas
would
require
support
from
our
representatives
in
Albany
to
empower
stf,
make
changes
and
have
begun
discussions
with
representatives
to
understand
the
time
that
we
need
to
be
can
follow
those
things
and
I
think
that's
what
I
can
do.
A
A
D
Yes,
in
addition,
an
additional
element
was
prior
to
our
cpv
colleagues
joining
us.
We
were
also
looking
into
at
what
would
need
to
be
changed
to
expand
the
authority
and
powers
of
the
oversight.
Yeah,
the
police
community
board
I
understand
that
they
are
not
wishing
to
move
forward
with
that,
but
that
was
an
addition.
Yeah
foreign.
E
Because
what
I
understand
is
traffic
stops
are
there's
some
legal
stuff
that
we
like
okay
wanting
so
a
part
of
it
is
wanted.
The
unarmed
responders
to
to
do
traffic
stops
right.
I
thought
that
was
a
reimagining
somewhere
again
about
assisting.
A
Or
something
like
that,
I
mean
Doc
and
I
were
on
that
task.
Force
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
there
were
some
people
on
the
task
force
who
thought
that
the
unarmed
people
could
do
traffic
stops
and
there's
some
people
myself
included
and
thought
they
could
not,
and
I
actually
spoke
with
deputy
chief
Monticello
about
this,
and
he
in
Broad
terms
explained
it
yeah.
A
Anything
that
can
potentially
result
with
a
ticket
has
to
be
done
by
a
sworn
police
officer.
That's
the
question.
I
was
asked.
D
No
thank
you
may
I
am
for
sure.
Thank
you.
I'll
elaborate
a
little
further
yeah,
so
an
alternative
to
that
might
be
the
adoption
of
like
red
light
cameras,
speed
cameras
which
would
remove
the
human
element
entirely,
but
to
be
able
to
even
Implement
that
decision
of
the
municipal
out
of
limiting
the
state
legislature's
support.
Okay,.
A
If
I,
if
there's
evidence
that
suggests
that
ipd's
understand
I,
think
we
could
look
at
the
numbers
that
Chief
Joey
sent
us
this
afternoon,
that
had
traffic
stops
by
year
in
tickets
by
year
and
and
they're
down
by
I,
don't
know
500
yeah,
so
basically
they're
the
hardest.
Stopping
anybody
and
but
I
just
put
a
final
point
on
it.
It
might
be
obvious
to
people,
but
why
we
care
we
care,
because
people
are
speeding
or
turning
right
on
red
right.
A
A
Let's
be
honest,
a
lot
of
people
will
hate
both
can
improve
safety
while
taking
the
bias
out
of
the
equation.
That's
why
they
are
attracted
today.
A
Thank
you
I
mean
to
to
add
to
that
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
traffic
stops.
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I
mean
I
know
that
the
messaging
I
definitely
agree
that
communities
of
color
and
people
of
color
are
disproportionately
interacting
with
law
enforcement.
So
I
agree
with
that.
I,
don't
know
that
police
departments
Across
the
Nation,
keep
track
of
the
racial
identity
of
people
who
get
tickets.
A
That
being
said,
one
of
the
things
that
was
concerns
that
were
sent
to
me
by
people
in
law
enforcement
and
people
who
watch
the
city
court
system
was
they
were
very
concerned
with
the
reduction
in
traffic
stops
because
the
majority
of
traffic
stops
when
they're
used
to
conduct
them
were
for
DUIs
actually,
and
so
then
the
question
then
became
well,
it's
not
like
people
are
not
driving
anymore.
A
So
we
assume
that
the
percentages
remain
constant,
that
individuals
are
continued
to
drive
and
drive
under
the
influence,
but
we
are
no
longer
stopping
them.
Then
there
is
a
concern
that
there's
a
higher
level
of
risk
that
these
drivers
are
on
the
road
they're
not
going
to
stop
they
don't
they
feel
more
raising
about
it
and-
and
we
aren't
addressing
this
situation.
A
So
in
addition
to
rushing
to
work-
or
maybe
you
know,
impatiently,
making
a
left-hand
turn
a
right-hand
turn
the
level
of
duas
or
concern
as
well
and
and
definitely
my
family
has
been
impacted
by
that
with
classmates
of
my
children
who
have
been
struck
and
killed
by
drunk
drivers
in
my
neighborhood
and
so
I
will
attest
that
this
is
a
deep
concern,
especially
around
big
events,
whether
or
not
it's
Grassroots
and
so
on,
where
people
are
coming
in
from
all
over
to
celebrate
in
our
community,
and
we
have
no
traffic
patrols
to
address
these
situations.
D
That
like
this
is
why
we
want
to
have
sort
of
like
an
all
of
the
above
approach
right,
even
in
Philadelphia,
which
is
a
city
that
has
ended,
minor
traffic
stops
entirely.
D
There
is
still
enforcement
of
something
like
impaired
driving
right,
because
that
is
a
that
is
deduction's
point
about
cyclists,
pedestrians
and
I'll,
throw
in
small
children
who
sometimes
go
from
one
to
the
other
very
quickly.
The
safety
element
of
it
combined
with
the
Staffing
pieces.
I
think
the
George
raises
right.
This
would
allow
us
to
have
our
department
focus
on
much
more
of
these
sort
of
like
broader
safety
issues
when
it
comes
to
moving
violations,
while
you're
still
dealing
with
the.
C
D
C
D
But
if,
but
if
you
have
that
morning,
rush
to
Fall
Creek
Elementary-
and
there
is
you
know-
sort
of
speed,
counter
enforcement,
your
your
I
think
not
actually
creating
a
permissive
environment
for
flouting
the
law,
but
in
fact
reminding
people
like
I
will
get
a
ticket
no
matter
what
time
of
day
you
know,
no
matter
who's
able
to
see
me
so
again,
just
like
all
of
the
above
I
think
is
the
is
the
locker.
A
E
Once
again
and
I've
been
I
have
to
say
that
I
I'm,
very
hot,
though
about
DUI
and
and
and
no
we
have
to
do
our
diligence
but
I'm
also
really
concerned
about
about
black
and
brown
people
who
have
been
driving
throughout
New
York
State
throughout
this
country,
who
have
been
pulled
over
and
killed
right.
So
we
have
to
remember
the
numbers
mean
a
lot
in
both
areas.
So,
yes,
I,
am
very
concerned
about
all.
C
A
I
think
when
he's
interested,
perhaps
someone
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
enter
executive
session
to
discuss
Collective
Department.
D
Information
request:
technically
we
also
did
add.
Smg's
requests
have
Public
Safety
to
the
agenda.
Did
we
still
want
to
have
a
discussion?
Initially,
we
want
to
do
it
before
after
a
good
conception.
F
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
do
I
did
want
to
mention
that
a
job
description
for
the
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
is
on
the
agenda
for
the
Civil
Service,
Commission
and
or
not.
A
I
recall
when
Council
asked
and
directed
The
Mayor
and
human
resources
department
to
come
forward
with
the
job
description
we
individ,
we
envisioned
an
individual
who
could,
on
behalf
or
as
designee
of
the
mayor
or
city
manager,
could
be
that
civilian
oversight
person
on
behalf
of
the
mayor
city
manager
to
oversee
Public
Safety.
A
In
my
view,
I
envisioned
this
to
be
Public,
Safety,
inclusive
of
police
department
and
training.
I
was
surprised
to
see
the
job
description
is
limited
to
oversight
of
the
unarmed
or
the
civilian
response
program.
A
Which
is
different
than
what
I
thought
Council
had
envisioned
for
this
title,
so
I
wanted
to
raise
awareness
to
this
I
understand
that
this
is
the
description
that
is
being
supported
by
the
mayor
and
if
they're
is
a
collective
desire
to
redesign
this
position,
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
this
committee
to
weigh
in
on
what
we
consider
the
job
appropriate
job
description
for
this
position.
A
Yeah
I
thought
we.
It
was
clear
that
this
position
was
supposed
to
oversee
the
full
shooting
match
and
not
the
fire
department,
at
least
not
yet,
but
there
would
be
managing
three
or
four
or
five
people.
That's
making
sense.
A
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
they're
going
to
coordinate
traditional
weapons,
and
that
was
the
whole
point
so
I
I.
Can
we
take
the
time
to
to
study
this
and
perhaps
get
a
response
from
whoever
wrote
that
as
to
why
they
wrote
it
that
way,.
A
It
yet
I,
agree
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
the
this
committee
to
be
tested
working
at
this
and
interacting
with
HR
to
influence
or
redesign
The
Establishment.
A
It
went
out
in
the
agenda
Civil
Service
committee
agenda.
Many
don't
believe
it
has
been
voted
on
or
doubled
as
of
yet
so
I
I
do
believe
that
I
could
send
an
email
to
the
Civil
Service
committee,
expressing
the
intent
of
this
committee
to
review
the
job
description
and
be
able
to
suggest
modifications,
I
think
the
meetings
tomorrow.
A
So
you
should
do
that
quickly
tomorrow,
at
11
A.M,
so
George,
could
you
send
the
email,
or
do
you
want
one
of
us
to
send
the
email
to
just
say
that
we
talked
about
this
tonight
and
would
like
to
make
recommendations
on
this
job
description
and
ask
them
to
hold
off
on
adopting
the
existing
job.
Description
can
I
have
that
at
least
a
copy
of
that?
So
I
can
read
it.
C
E
C
C
E
Me
again
because
I
I
don't
want
to
so
you
said
tomorrow,
is:
are
they?
Are
they
gonna?
Okay,
this
or
not
or
whatever
tomorrow,
which
is
really
close?
And
so
my
concern
is
once
again
here
we
go
halting
the
moving
on
a
reimagining
public
safety
once
again
right
and
that's
a
concern
for
me
right
and.
C
E
D
Robert
I
would
just
to
lay
some
of
those
concerns.
Cds
I
share
them,
I.
Think,
on
the
one
hand,
if
we
do
want
to
make
sure
I
think
it's
better
to
get
the
right
thing
than
than
make
Speedy
everything
and
I
think
you
know
I
I'm
catching
that
this
is
not
an
alignment
with
what
we
had
discussed.
I
think
it's
important
to
talk
about
that
and
I
would
also
say
it
is.
It
is
proposed
in
the
budget,
so
we
will
still
be
able
to
move
forward
as
part
of
the
budget
process
with.
D
C
C
A
Sure
I
just
pulled
up
the
job
description
right
now
and
and
I
certainly
see
your
point.
I'll
also
add
that
it's
it's
worth
remembering
that
the
authority
of
the
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
is
as
delegated
by
the.
A
That
you
shouldn't
look
to
change
the
top
description.
I'm,
just
also
reminding
us
that,
because
the
authorities
as
by
the
mayor
and
anyone's
right,
which
is
the
staff,
always
derives
their
Authority
from
there
that
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
this
position,
I've
drafted
credit,
assisted
supervising
ipv
but
I,
certainly
agree
with
the
community.
That
could
be
really
to
make
that
clear.
D
A
A
You
want
to
announce
whether
you'll
have
any
public
discussion
afterwards.
Sorry,
there
will
be
no
further
business
after
the
executive
session,
so
yeah
everybody
can
go
home.