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A
B
A
A
Of
background,
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
the
victorian
property
was
sold,
so
there
are
new
owners
that
are
looking
to
do
some
development
and
possibly
conservation
work
on
the
north.
I'm
sorry!
Yes,
the
north
side
of
the
marina
they've
met
with
the
city
staff
and
myself
a
couple
of
times
now
over
the
past
year
or
so,
and
we're
at
the
point
where
I
wanted
to
bring
the
rest
of
the
council
in
so
that
we
can
all
get
on
the
same
page.
A
There's
a
lot
of
challenges
and
opportunities
with
this
project
that
I
didn't
feel
comfortable
either
either
moving
forward
or
stopping
the
progress
without
the
rest
of
the
council
being
pretty
fully
briefed
on
what
would
be
involved
with
this.
So
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
header
island.
A
senior
planner
who's
got
a
I'm
sorry.
Our
planning
director
who's
got
a
brief
presentation.
C
Have
some
planning
commissioners
here
in
the
audience
to
hear
our
presentation
today
as
well?
So
I
just
have
a
couple
of
items
I'm
going
to
cover
with
you
guys
just
some
kind
of
basic
information
about
the
property.
The
land
use
designations,
the
zoning
districts.
The
property
is
in
what
some
of
the
amendments
for
the
proposed
changes
will
entail
and
what
the
application
process
flows
like
so
the
property
of
beach
marine
is
kind
of
broke
it
down
into
two
separate
pieces
here.
C
So
just
some
details
on
what
the
future
of
the
current
future
land
use
designations
are
of.
The
developed
portion
of
the
property
is
currently
commercial,
future
land
use.
So
that's
what
you'll
see
in
the
red
the
undeveloped
portion
is
designated
conservation
and
low
density
residential,
which
is
the
dark
green,
is
the
conservation
and
then
the
light
yellow
on
the
right
side
of
your
map
is
the
low
density,
residential
and
then
just
off
your
map,
to
the
very
top
is
some
adjacent
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
owned
property
that
is
designated
as
recreation
open
space.
C
It's
also
a
bird
sanctuary,
and
the
last
component
to
this
is
in
the
light
green
areas
just
south
of
the
second
avenue
north
right-of-way,
that
is,
recreation
and
open
space
land
use,
and
that
is
where
the
boat
ramps.
The
park,
the
city
of
jacksonville
park,
the
parking
and
the
restaurant
are
located
so.
C
For
this
property
again
in
the
I
guess,
it's
a
tan
color
is
the
the
area
that
is
the
pud,
and
that
was
again
done
in
2016
by
the
previous
owner.
C
The
roughly
120
undeveloped
acres
to
the
north
is
designated
as
residential
single
family
rs1,
which
is
our
lowest
intensity
residential
zoning
district
and
the
portion
that
kind
of
surrounds
the
pud
in
the
pink
is
c2,
which
is
a
general
commercial
zoning
district,
so
that
contains
again
the
restaurant
restaurant,
the
park,
the
boat
ramps
and
the
parking
areas
just
a
little
bit
about
what
the
proposed
development
means
in
terms
of
the
amendments
that
will
be
required
for
the
project,
so
got
two
components
to
it.
There's
a
future
land
use
map
amendments
that
would
be
required.
C
So
some
of
that-
and
we
don't
have
exact
acreage
on
these,
but
a
portion
of
the
120
acres-
that's
currently
designated
as
conservation-
would
have
to
be
changed
to
rent
open
space
to
accommodate
a
realignment
of
second
item
north
and
another
portion
of
that
would
have
to
be
designated
as
commercial
to
accommodate
any
proposed
commercial
buildings
and
any
parking
lots
associated
with
that.
On
the
zoning
side,
a
portion
of
the.
C
So
just
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
the
timing
of
those
applications
and
what
that
would
look
like
for
you
guys
for
the
future.
Land
use
map
amendments,
and
there
are
some
potential
changes
coming
from
tallahassee
that
could
impact
this,
but
generally
the
application
would
first
be
submitted
to
staff,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
planning
commission
for
consideration.
C
The
proposed
changes
to
the
future
land
use
map
must
be
consistent
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
the
city's
2030
comprehensive
plan,
and
it
is
the
applicant's
burden
to
prove
that
consistency
and
then
on
to
the
zoning
atlas.
Amendments.
Oh,
let
me
go
back
the
future.
Ladies,
not
amendments
just
time
wise
around
four
to
five
months
is
kind
of
our
estimate
for
that
process
to
go
through
on
the
zoning
atlas.
Amendments
approximately
three
months
for
that
process.
C
Again,
the
application
is
considered
by
the
planning
commission
they
make.
A
recommendation
to
council
goes
to
two
hearings:
two
public
hearings
from
city
council
and
the
proposed
changes
to
any
any
parts
of
the
zoning
atlas
are
considered,
based
on
the
factors
listed
in
section
34
of
the
land
development
code
and
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
note
at
the
bottom.
That
florida
statute
does
allow
these
processes
to
run
concurrent
with
each
other,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
guys
have
or
turn
it
over
to
the
next
presentation.
A
D
So,
thank
you
very
much
council
members
staff,
other
people
that
showed
up
mayor
for
actually
putting
us
together.
I
think
it's
a
tremendous
step
forward
for
all
of
us,
a
little
bit
of
history
about
us
and
our
team.
I'm
stephen
johansen,
I'm
the
principal
of
windwood
marine
group
we
own
and
operate
marinas
basically
from
miami
to
cape
cod.
I
think
there's
nine
of
them
we
came
in
and
on
our
team.
D
D
So
I
take
it
quickly
back
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
history,
so
our
company
put
our
arms
on
the
site
about
two
years
ago
and
I
was
very
fortunate
to
get
an
introduction
at
the
time
from
congressman
rutherford
who
we've
been
working
with
quite
a
bit
down
at
our
property
and
st
augustine,
because
we
host
u.s
customs
and
border
patrol
down
there
with
a
huge
facility
that
we're
very
happy
about,
and
so
we've
been
working
on
expanding
that,
and
that
was
the
first
property
that
we
bought
up
in
this
area
about
three
years
ago.
D
We
subsequently
purchased
the
shipyard
in
st
augustine,
and
this
was
the
third
acquisition,
so
I
don't
know
if
it
was
by
fortune
or
not,
but
my
wife
wasn't
too
happy
at
the
time
that
I
became
a
resident
of
jack
speech.
I
thought
that
closely
channel
side,
because
I
started
spending
so
much
time
up
here
and
the
reason
I
ended
up
spending
so
much
time
up
here
is
because
I
love
the
area.
D
I
think
it's
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
and
there's
a
lot
of
intelligence
up
here
that
maybe
you're
not
used
as
a
developer
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
that
I
feel
are
pushing
in
a
similar
direction
than
we
do
we're
marina
guys.
So
we
have
a
big
responsibility,
obviously
with
the
environment
and
running
green
marinas
and
protecting
our
waters
and
just
as
a
little
bit
further
introduction.
D
We
have
the
fortunate
to
work
with
the
city
of
saint
augustine,
a
great
mayor
and
a
great
commission
yeah,
and
we
spent
two
years
planning
a
small
town,
and
we
just
got
that
approved
about
a
week
ago,
very
happy
about
that.
It
was
designed
by
a
company
called
dpz,
a
lot
of
you
guys
in
planning.
You
know
them.
They
designed
seaside
and
rosemary
beach
and
alice
beach,
and
they
became
probably
legends
all
over
the
world,
which
was
urban
planning
and
very
early
on.
I
actually
had
andreas
who's,
the
founder
of
dpz
underscoring.
D
D
D
We
took
a
lot
of
that
information
and
we
knew
to
live
and
we
built
our
team
and
we
presented
a
lot
of
different
versions
to
you
all
and
we
felt
that
maybe
we
weren't
getting
the
traction
we
were
hoping
to
get
so
the
driving
force
behind
what
we
were
presenting
is
a
second
avenue
which
I'm
sure
you
all
know
much
more
about
than
I
do,
but
I've
driven
it
in.
You
know
three
feet
of
water:
it's
it's
just
unsafe
and
it
needs
to
be
changed
and
the
whole
corner.
D
D
D
So
now
we
have
the
money
to
rebuild
second
avenue,
but
it's
also
very
important
to
re
to
build
second
avenue
in
a
much
bigger
picture
than
just
not
just
rebuilding
a
road.
The
road
can't
go
sort
of
to
nowhere
to
what
it
is
today.
It
needs
to
accommodate
adequate
parking
for
the
existing
restaurant
which
it
doesn't
have
today.
It
needs
to
accommodate
more
trailer
parking
which
it
doesn't
have
today.
It
needs
to
be
safe,
it
needs
to
be
out
of
the
500
year,
flood,
plane,
etc,
etc,
and
in
that
breath
we
started
looking
back
saying.
D
D
A
submerged
road-
and
personally
I
felt
at
the
time
that
also
living
in
channels
like
maybe
a
townhouse,
is
not
the
best
use
for
that
property
with
all
the
growth
in
the
area
and
with
the
low
density
limit
on
the
height
that
we
have
here.
Maybe
multi-family
is
the
right
thing
to
do
here,
it's
less
than
a
mile
from
mayo.
You
know,
so
we
see
a
different
opportunity
in
terms
of
the
future
development.
So
how
do
we
do
that
right?
D
D
I
think
the
the
current
restaurant
doesn't
even
have
enough
water
pressure,
or
does
it
have
adequate
fire
protection,
so
we
were
looking
for
a
holistic
solution,
and
here
we
are
now
two
years
later
and
again,
I
can't
preface
enough
how
grateful
we
are
that
all
you
guys
are
here
listening
to
us,
because
I
think
there's
a
potential
wonderful
solution
for
us
for
the
city
of
jacksonville
over
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
and
so
what
we
did.
D
D
Okay,
so
let's
just
you
know,
everybody
has
this
handout.
So
we
kind
of
talked
a
little
bit
about.
D
Let's
see
here
what
we
got
so
we
got
second
avenue.
We
talked
about
that
the
parking
back
again
and
I'm
not
going
to
kind
of
go
through
it
again,
but
all
in
all,
we
have
about
100
acres,
sort
of
to
north
of
us
and
as
a
side
note,
we
were
approached
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
by
the
north
florida
land
trust.
I
think
it's
a
very
important
component.
D
They
want
to
build
a
park
there
which
we're
happy
for
them
to
do
to
do
some
stand
out,
paddle
boards
and
kayaking,
and
they
would
be
the
custodians
of
that
park
and
we
got
pretty
far
down
the
road.
So
we
had
the
north
florida
land
trust
on
board.
We
had
we
have
the
city
of
jacksonville
on
board
and
I
really
need
you
guys
to
come
on
board
as
well,
and
so,
as
we
flip
over
today,
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
density.
D
We
have
10.3
acres
of
low
density
residential
land
to
the
northeast
and
that
land
is.
If
you
look
at
the
big
picture,
that's
kind
of
on
a
comprehensive
map
exhibit.
So,
if
you
turn
it
into
map
exhibit
number
two.
If
you
look
at
the
right
side
there
next
to
the
residential
there's
a
table
there,
we
have
about
10.3
acres
of.
D
And
then
we
have
in
our
proposal
so
what
we
would
do
now
in
order
to
move
the
road
and
get
you
know,
the
fire
trucks.
We
study
this
corner
at
length,
and
so
not
only
do
we
need
to
get
fire
rescue
trucks
and
everything
we
need
to
de-cell
lane.
D
You
need
that
road
to
galvanize
city
jacksonville,
but
we're
basically
responsible
for
the
entire
engineering
design
of
that
road
city
of
jacksonville.
We're
going
to
bid
it
out,
they've
already
bid
it,
so
in
turn
they
have
about
11
million
dollars
for
it.
So,
as
you
look
at
what
we
then
do
is
we
convey
part
of
the
land
we
already
own
and
we
push
the
road
north
and
tr
and
carl
helped
me
out.
So
by
doing
that,
we
give
them
speaking
without
the
notes
of
what
four
and
a
half
five
acres.
D
Yeah,
so
we
give
them
4.9
acres
of
land
out
of
sort
of
our
bucket
by
pushing
the
road
north.
Now,
what
does
that
do
to
us?
The
old
road
kind
of
becomes
our
property
at
that
point,
and
it
helps
us
spread
a
little
bit
more
elegantly.
The
density
of
the
multi-family
that
we
want
to
build,
which
would
then
be
south
of
the
new
road
so
that
multi-family
space
and
the
commercial
marine
support
space
that
we're
proposing
all
the
way
to
the
west.
D
So
all
in
all,
we
would
provide
about
10.3
acres
for
public
parking,
additional
parking
for
the
current
restaurant
additional
ride
away,
and
we
would
sort
of
gain
ourselves
out
of
that
10
acres,
1.78
acres.
In
addition
to
that,
the
north
florida
land
trust,
would
then
take.
We
would
convey
almost
100
acres
to
them
to
build
a
park,
and
there
was
some
early
discussion
with
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
and
with
the
current
restaurant
operated,
which
is
the
grocelles.
F
D
Do
an
opt-out
tax,
the
fun
part
of
the
park
are
our
own
sort
of
commercial.
They
tackle
support
retail
range
retail.
We
would
be
all
100
for
an
op
out
tax
for
our
own
retail
there
on
the
support
to
help
maintain
the
park
north
florida
land-
trust.
If
you
look
at
they're,
pretty
well
funded,
and
so
we
we
got
like,
I
said
earlier-
pretty
far
down
the
pipe
for
them.
D
So
in
the
end
we
would
once
the
road
is
finished.
D
D
D
0.45
acres,
so
you
gain
about
0.3
acres
and
by
doing
that
we
would
solve
safe
harbor.
I
guess
they
changed
them
now,
the
rest
of
out
that
they
would
have
additional
parking
because
they
needed
desperately
and
that
would
be
kind
of
towards
where
the
old
bridge
is.
You
would
also
get
a
bigger
park.
D
B
D
In
then
for
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
at
this
point,
it's
really
zero.
We've
had
a
lot
of
you
know
juggling
back
and
forth,
and
you
know
at
some
point
you
met
with
mike
mike
said:
look
we
we
can't
take
on
any
debt,
so
we're
not
buying
anything.
We
respect
that!
That's
fine!
D
We
can't
really
contribute
to
the
parking,
so
we
said
okay,
we
understand
so
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
total
development
that
we're
proposing,
which
includes
less
density-
and
I
think
this
is
really
important-
we're
not
asking
for
more
density.
We
have
more
density,
we
can
ever
build
on
that
site.
I
think
the
density
is
like
600
or
700
units.
D
All
we're
asking
for
is
when
we
move
the
road
north,
that
you
will
support,
taking
a
little
bit
of
that
massive
density
that
we
have
and
allowing
us
to
put
that
on
the
1.78
acres.
So
what
does
that?
Do,
then?
That
gives
you
a
tax
base
of
about
50
million
dollars
with
a
multi-family
in
the
retail,
and
that
gives
you
all
about
450
000
of
base
taxes
per
year.
That
goes,
and
we
did
that
based
on
eight
mills,
eight
mills
being
what
you
all
kind
of
get
into
the
coffers.
D
D
Impact,
let's
talk
for
a
second
about
the
neighbors
sort
of
to
the
east,
so
if
you
guys
have
walked
it,
you
can't
see
our
current
barn
is
65
feet
tall.
No
one
can
see
that
bar.
So
if
there
was
any
concern
a
neighbor
saying
well,
if
you
build
some
support
marine
retail
out
there
to
the
west,
absolutely
can't
see
it
and
I'll
challenge
anyone
to
find
it.
We
haven't
built
it
if
they
could
see
it.
So
I've
been
up
here
a
long
time
and
we
really
want
you
all
to
ask
us
questions.
D
I'm
going
to
ask
the
team
er
and
carl.
If
I
left
something
out,
I
did,
and
I
actually
left
out-
maybe
the
most
important
thing
and
maybe
tiara
you
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
comprehensive
plan
and
you
can
also
kind
of
close
with
the
four
action
items
chapter
online.
So,
okay,
no,
I
don't
know.
G
Yeah
this
one
so
t
r,
hang
line
with
roger
sowers
in
jacksonville
1301
place
boulevard
here,
representing
woodward.
So
what
I
I'm
going
to
use
this
map
and
run
through
the
exact
kind
of
plan
amendments
that
we're
talking
about,
but
it
is
in
the
handout
that
you
have.
It
is
page
four
that
has,
at
the
top
of
it,
proposed
comprehensive
plan,
land
use,
amendments
and
pud
reasoning.
G
So
stefan
mentioned
some
of
these
acres.
I
just
want
to
go
through
a
little
bit
of
a
kind
of
precise
manner
here,
so.
G
North
that
right-of-way,
which
shows
in
that
kind
of
grit
cross
section
there
you
can
see
if
the
new,
the
new
right-of-way
running
for
2nd
avenue
north,
that
is
4.91
acres.
We
assumed
that
that
may
require
a
conferencing
plan.
Amendment
and
heather
mentioned
that.
What
in
her
mind
would
happen,
is
that
that
right-of-way
would
be
placed
in
recreation
and
open
space.
G
Then
there
is
some
land
right
to
the
south
of
that
and
you'll
see
it.
It's
kind
of
that
cross-hatched
moving
from
upper
right
to
oh
there,
you
go,
that's
what
I.
G
Okay,
so
the
first
number
4.91
it
was
this
right-of-way
number
here,
which
includes
retention
ponds
that
you
may
or
may
not
need
to
change
to
open
space
and
recreation.
But
we
have
went
ahead
and
put
the
number
in
anyway
and
that's
4.91
acres
that
would
go
from
conservation
protected
to
recreation,
open
space.
G
G
Then,
as
stefan
said,
this
land
here,
which
is
uplands
currently
part
of
a
the
overall
spoil
site,
that
would
be
parking
for
trailers
and
boats
for
the
for
the
boat
ramp
and
that
would
be
improved
by
beach
marine,
and
so
it
would
be
parking
for
additional
parking
for
the
boat
ramp.
Any
additional
parking
that
the
existing
restaurant
would
need,
as
well
as
some
parking
for
people
who
would
enjoy
the
preserve
that
are
going
to
open
there.
G
B
G
So
where
the
map
goes,
you're,
probably
wondering
why
all
these
acreages
well,
because
what
we're
trying
to
show-
and
what
we
do
show
is
that
the
acreage
that
we
are
proposing
to
take
out
of
conservation
protected
is
more
than
made
up
for
by
this
acreage
over
here.
So
we
did
the
math
there
on
that
piece
on
the
sheet
of
paper
that
I
mentioned
to
you,
what
we
would
be
taking
out
of
conservation
protected
for
2nd
avenue
north
for
the
parking
and
everything
else
that
I
talked
about
here.
G
That's
9.71
acres
and
we
are
taking
10.3
acres
of
low
density,
residential
and
putting
that
into
conservation
protected
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
think
that
that
does
is
instead
of
some
kind
of
residential
use
that
might
go
in
these
uplands
here
or
something
that
is
going
to
be
a
surprise,
maybe,
and
not
something
that
these
people
might
be
thrilled
with.
This
puts
this
all
into
conservation
protected.
E
G
Is
going
to
be
obscured
from
these
folks
not
visible
to
these
folks
because
of
that
preservation
area
that
we're
putting
in
there,
which
includes
uplands?
Of
course,
everything
is
in
here
in
between
which
would
become
part
of
the
preserve,
and
then
this
berm
that
surrounds
the
retention
pond
there
in.
G
Plan
issues,
I
think
I
went
through
everything
again.
The
main
thrust
of
what
we're
trying
to
show
with
this
map
is
that
we
are
creating
more
conservation
protected
than
we
are
than
we
are
converting
for
the
2nd
avenue
north
improvements
in
terms
of
the
zoning.
What
we
would
do
is
take
the
pud
that
exists
here.
We
would
add
that
property
to
it,
because
that
would
go
into
the
commercial
land
use
category
and
we'd
also
pull
in
this
property
over
here
into
the
pud
and
and
doing
commercial.
That's
our
proposal.
G
G
So
stephan
wanted
me
to
talk
about
process.
I
do
want
to
just
touch
on
the
results.
G
The
results
of
all
of
this
just
in
a
very
discreet
list
here,
is
that,
second
to
last
page
second
avenue
north
and
its
intersection
with
20th
with
20th
street
north
that
all
gets
improved
and
pulled
out
of
the
water
at
no
cost
to
city
of
jacksonville
beach
city
of
jacksonville.
Beach
gets
some
land
too.
G
It
doesn't
show
on
this
map,
but
on
the
other
map,
when
city
of
jacksonville
beach
can
pick
up
when
the
city
of
jacksonville
closes
this
road,
is
it
can
pick
up
some
acreage
right
there
in
front
of
that
city
of
jacksonville
peach
beach
park?
That
is
there
today,
so
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
also
gets
some
acreage.
G
The
other
result
is
100
acre
preserve
up
here
with
public
access
via
improved
second
avenue
north
and
parking
and
park
access
over.
Here.
As
I
said,
there's
no
net
loss
of
conservation
protected
lands
because
you're
getting
a
lot
here
and
more
than
what
is
being
used
up
for
the
improvements
to
second
avenue
north
et.
E
G
G
G
I
got
right
here.
Okay,
here
we
go
so
what
we
have
very
broadly
discussed
with
staff
is
a
development
agreement
between
beach,
marine
city
and
jacksonville
beach
between
windward
beach,
marine
city
of
jacksonville,
beach
and
city
of
jacksonville.
That
would
put
all
this
together.
Development
agreements
are
done.
G
The
comprehensive
plan
amendments
and
pud
rezoning
we've
gone
through
that
the
city
of
jacksonville
would
do
a
street
closure
for
its
current
right-of-way
for
2nd
avenue
north
again,
both
of
windward
and
city
of
jacksonville,
beach,
getting
property
out
of
that.
Getting
new
acreage
out
of
that
and
then
lastly,.
G
Would
its
funding
the
construction
and
would
dedicate
and
accept
the
street
the
new
second
avenue
north?
I'm
not
sure
it's
been
said,
but
2nd
avenue
north,
although
it's
surrounded
by
jacksonville
beach,
is
for
an
inter-local
agreement
with
the
city
of
jacksonville
many
years
ago,
2nd
avenue
north
is
a
city
of
jacksonville
street
because
it
accesses
the
city
of
jacksonville
boat
ramp,
and
that
was
an
interlocal
agreement
of
many
years
ago,
had
city
of
jacksonville
owning
and
maintaining
that
second
avenue
north.
So
those
are
the
processes
that
we
would
propose.
G
Carl,
I
left
anything
out
anything
else.
You
need
to.
G
Site
plan,
which
kind
of
shows
everything
the
big
part
that
will
result
second
avenue
north
relocated,
the
parking
or
the
boat
ramps
and
the
new
park,
and
then
the
new
marine
support
use
out
there.
So
anything
else.
D
I
think
one
little
detail
up
in
the
purple
area
we've
exclusively
designated
most
of
that
for
trailers.
So
there's
a
whole.
You
know
method
to
the
madness,
because,
right
now
the
trailers
are
parking
where
cars
should
be
parking,
that's
visiting
restaurant
and
parts
of
it.
It
becomes
really
difficult
to
maneuver
down
in
there.
D
So
what
it's
been
designed
to
come
in,
you
drop
your
boat,
and
then
you
pull
your
trailer
up
kind
of
in
a
it
would
be
north
area
there
and
that's
really
important,
because
we
we
spent
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
bringing
our
circulation.
How
does
the
restaurant
get
fed?
How
does
the
other
support
retail
get
better
and
where
do
we
put
the
trailers
so.
B
I
guess
that's!
What's
more
for
heather
the
the
small
piece
of
property,
that's
a
little
plot
of
land
at
the
end
of
seven
second
avenue,
that's
just
below
the
cross
hatch
area
is
that
is
that
a
conservative,
protected
conservation,
protected.
B
D
B
H
Thank
you.
The
common
plan
says
that
we
will
not
be
creating
any
new
commercial
zones
within
the
city.
H
H
I
don't
know
if
you
understand
where
we
are
as
a
city
right
now
we're
doing
a
strategic
plan
to
figure
out
what
it
is
that
our
residents
and
our
businesses
are
trying
to
get
the
city
to
be
in
the
future,
and
once
we
have
that
down,
we
will
then
try
and
align
the
comprehensive
plan
in
the
ldc
to
go
with
all
that
and
so
you're
asking
us
to
go
in
and
put
something
in
here
before
we
know
what
our
residents
are
truly
looking
for,
and
I
just
want
to
okay-
and
I
like
it
all
I'm
concerned,
and
my
biggest
concern
is
that
little
piece
on
the
of
commercial
near
the
trailer
parking.
H
The
rest,
I
love,
but
the
the
commercial
change
really
concerns
me.
I
was
on
the
planning
commission
when
we
did
the
pvd
that
you've
mentioned
and
on
the
south
side
of
the
marine
was
going
to
be
townhouses
industrial
on
the
other
side,
to
fix
the
boats
and
on
the
north
side
by
the
park
there
were
also
a
hotel
was
approved,
a
64
hotel,
I
believe,
and
that
was
going
to
be
switched
over
to
multi-family
if
needed,
if
the
hotel
wasn't
going
to
be
needed.
F
And
the
idea
behind
the
commercial
is
to
kind
of
support
that
boat
ramp
facility
out
there
they're,
maybe
a
bait
shop.
You
know
sandwich
shop,
baiting,
tackle
where
you
know
the
boaters
have
somewhere
right
there
they're
easy
access
when
they're
going
out
where
they
can.
You
know,
pick
up
their
supplies
that
they
need
for
their
boating
activities.
So
it's
intended
to
kind
of
be
a
use
for
the
public,
where
all
the
voters
really
don't
have
anything
out
there
extensively
at
their
use
and
really
just
they
have
the
restaurant.
F
H
F
There
is
a
restaurant,
I
believe
the
baiting
tackle
place
has
been
demolished
was
that
on
the
east
side
of
the
mommy
restaurant,
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
familiar
with
steph.
I
don't
believe
we.
D
Have
so
there's
a
bank
of
tackles,
for
god
blessing
that's
on
planet
and
that's
a
huge
hazard.
Everybody
stops
here
with
their
trailer
blocks
traffic
around
that
corner
and
they
run
in
and
then
strategically
as
a
planner.
That's
the
worst
place
in
the
world.
It
could
be
no
pun
intended.
It
needs
to
be
where
they
offload
that
you
know
they
parked
their
trailer
in
their
boat.
They
don't
buy
their
eyes.
D
They
intentionally
tackle
all
that
stuff,
very
close
to
their
car,
because
right
now,
there's
no
support
for
the
voters
whatsoever
out
there
and
the
boaters
are
not.
You
know
I
mean
the
restaurant
is
great,
but
there's
no
there's
no
support
and
there's
literally
hundreds
of
people
pulling
up
there.
They
can't
be
heist,
they
can't
find
anything,
and
so
we
need
that
support
for
the
voters
for
this
big
expansion,
because
otherwise
they
have
to
go
and
pull
their
boats
and
load
it
off
with
ice
and
stop
somewhere
else.
It's
just
not
efficient
and.
G
A
G
We'd
respect
staff
staff
said
no,
it's
going
to
need
to
go
in
commercial,
and
so
that's
why
we
put
it
here
in
commercial,
but
I
would
point
out
that
the
existing
restaurant
there
today
is
in
recreation,
open
space
and
is
a
supporting
use
of
sorts,
but
this
would
really
be
there
to
support
the
boat
ramp
and
the
enhanced
experience
that
is
provided
by
the
money
spent
on
second
avenue
north
the
parking
and
the
new
hundred
acre
park
up
there
too.
It's
just
an
additional
response
and.
G
E
E
H
And
the
place
where
it
used
to
have
the
fish
place
on
this
side
of
the
restaurant
head
break
brunches.
They
knocked
it
down.
Oh
really,
billy's
oak
house,
where
that
used
to
stand
that
that
doesn't
give
you
adequate
space
to
be
able
to
put
up
a
tackle
shop
and
ice
and
meet
the
needs
of
the
boaters
to
though
it's
just
to
the
west
of
the
current
restaurant.
In
the.
G
B
Mr
nichols,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
presentation.
Obviously
we
do
have
a
big
problem
out
there
with
the
number
of
people
that
are
trying
to
utilize
the
program.
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
heard
you
know
if
you
don't
get
out
there
by
nine
or
10
o'clock
on
a
nice
day
and
good
luck.
I
guess
my
one
of
my
questions
about
maintaining
access
to
the
boat
ramp
during
the
construction
of
the
new.
Was
that
second
avenue
are
they
going
to
be
are?
F
For
the
idea
to
shift
the
roadway
to
the
north,
in
addition
to
site
concerns
with
a
tight
corner
with
the
existing
right-of-way,
if
you
have
any
emergency
vehicles,
fire
trucks,
ambulances
that
should
have
to
get
out
there,
it's
a
really
tight
corner.
There
is
no
kind
of
visual
guides
or
anything
to
help
you
make
that
sharp
corner.
Just
thinking
of
the
traffic
in
general,
you
have
a
lot
of
the
boats
with
larger
trailers
that
have
a
tough
time,
navigating
that
sharp
radius.
So.
F
H
F
B
How
high
do
you
think
the
road's
going
to
be
raised
in
that
second,
because
one
of
my
concerns
has
always
been
the
environmental
impacts
of
oil
and
everything
on
the
road
when
you
flood
and
the
boats
that
are
that
are
in
the
trailer
yard
out
there
and
everything?
Can
you
talk
about
that,
and
also
about
other
your
other
thoughts
on
on
green
development
out
there?
That
y'all
are
we
are
proposing?
Yes,.
F
B
F
We
obviously
want
to
get
it
up
above
the
floodplain,
as
you're
speaking
to
to
kind
of
help
with
some
of
the
pollution
not
related
to
any
tidal
waters.
If
we
have
the
ponds
there,
so
we
definitely
want
to
get
it
high,
but
it's
not
something
that's
going
to
be.
You
know
excessively
high.
We
have
the
roads
back
a
little
bit
on
second
avenue
to
the
east
that
don't
flood
so
in
terms
of
elevation,
I'll,
probably
put
it
somewhere
around
there.
We
do
have
to
have
a
bridge
crossing.
B
F
The
bridge
crossing,
which
will
obviously
have
some
elevation
to
it
but
other
than
that
we're
just
trying
to
get
high
enough.
So
we
don't
have
any
of
those
kind
of
you
know
the
northeastern
winds
that
come
in.
We
have
the
flood
tide.
So
definitely
you
know
your
rainy
day,
flooding
event,
so
to
speak
as
they're
called.
You
know
we're
going
to
avoid
all
those
massive
hurricanes.
Maybe
you
might
have
some
answer
leaf
flooding
here
there
and
touching
on
the
green.
E
F
And
steph
spoke
about
this
earlier.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
the
triangle
cross
hatch
there
so
that
that
area
right
there
is,
is
looking
into
kind
of
a
holistic
approach
to
solve
all
the
parking
issues
out
there.
I
believe
the
boat
ramp,
as
you
said,
has
a
parking
issue.
The
restaurant
has
a
parking
issue,
so
we're
looking
to
use
that
area
to
kind
of
help
spell
some
of
those
issues
that
we
have
with
the
larger
boats
and
the
volume
that
we
have
with
the
restaurant.
In.
F
With
the
land
grant
going
to
stuff
like
the
the
florida
trust
fund,
you
know
if
they
wanted
to
do
some
walking
trails
and
stuff
like
that
for
public
access
as
well.
You
can
utilize
that
area
for
parking
to
kind
of
help,
support
that
as
well.
B
Has
there
been
any
thought
of
a
mixed
use
path
in
the
new
road
layer
that
isn't
going
to
be
planning
on
curving
gutter?
Is
it
going
to
be
sidewalk
or
anything
like
that
to
allow
creator
access
from
pedestrians
and
and
bicyclists.
F
Absolutely
absolutely
yes,
sir,
that's
actually
curving
cutter
and
they
have
a
sidewalk
shown
on
both
the
north
and
the
southern
side
of
that
we
have
a
more
detailed.
B
F
Here
and
expand
some
parking
for
this
public
park
as
well
and
in
turn
you
can
kind
of
see
it.
Here's
our
kind
of
access,
radiuses
coming
into
our
multi-family
for
future
proposed
commercial.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure.
E
F
Guys
have
access
to
this
park,
so
the
idea
is
to
kind
of
have
a
decel
lane
a
turn
off,
so
people
could
come
back
access
this
park
safely
and
then,
ultimately,
this
bridge
would
go
away.
You
also
have
bike
lanes,
yeah.
B
D
Including
the
boat
spaces,
once
this
is
done,
we
should
know
we
have
it
laid
out.
I
think
it's
we've
had
a
dialogue
back
and
forth
with
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
and
we've
probably
had
five
different
plans
and
the
first
plan.
I
think
the
feedback
we
got
from
staff
and
so
forth
was
wow.
It's
way
too
many
parking
spaces.
D
So
then
we
reduced
it
and
then,
when
we
spoke
to
the
current
concern,
when
we
spoke
to
the
current
operator
of
the
restaurant,
they
said
whoa,
we
need
employee
parking
because
we
don't
have
an
employee
parking
today
and
we
need
additional
parking
because
the
restaurant
doesn't
work.
I
mean
it's
full,
but
it's
kind
of
a
mess
there.
So
we
provided
additional
parking
for
the
current
restaurant
operator
and
we
provided
additional
partners
to
their
employees
and
that's
kind
of
up
in
the
in
the
north
area.
D
There
I
wanted
to
address
one
little
thing
about
the
retail,
knowing
the
commissioner
here,
a
lot
of
input
that
we
took
from
the
north
florida,
land,
trust
and
rebecca
who
runs
it
and
she
said:
look,
wouldn't
it
be
great?
If
you
could
sell
fishing
poles,
would
they
be
great
if
you
could
rent
a
stand-up
paddleboard?
Wouldn't
it
be
great
if
you
could
rant
about
cayenne's?
Would
it
be
great
if
you
could
do
a
sandwich
shop,
so
people
visiting
the
park
could
have
you
know,
buy
sandwich?
You
know
they
don't
necessarily.
E
D
Of
your
car
and
buy
it
so
that
was
it's
really
important.
You
know
speaking
kind
pedal
from
my
heart
as
a
developer,
that
you
give
that
support
retail
and
that
support
retail
will
help
fund
the
part,
and
if
you
want
to
opt
out
on
one
percent
tax,
you
have
the
chance
to
opt
out,
but
we
immediately
said
to
the
north
florida
electrics
we'll
put
a
one
percent
tax,
and
so
did
the
operator
the
current
restaurant.
They
said
wow
that
park
will
be
great.
D
So
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
not
kind
of
build
this
spectacular
road
out
of
the
water
to
nowhere
and
because
you
can't,
even
if
you
had
a
baby
taco
store
next
to
our
current
office
building
that
doesn't
you
know
it
doesn't
work,
because
you
have
to
drive
your
trailer
in
front
of
the
get
out
of
your
trailer.
There's
no
trailer
parking
there.
You
know
so
you
know.
So
this
is
it
from
a
developer's
perspective.
D
G
Some
push
and
pull
on
that.
We
don't
want
it
to
be
some
big
huge
parking
lot
that
people
are
gonna
go.
We
don't
want
that,
but
we
want
it
to
be
enough
to
serve
out
there.
So
we'll
work
with
staff
and
with
planners
to
come
up
with
the
exact
right
number
of
parking.
You
know
soup's
too
hot,
it's
too
cold,
we'll
try
and
get
it
just
right.
Do
we
know
how
many
party
spots
we
have
right
now?
B
D
I
think
it's
like
at
least
150
parking
spaces.
It
includes
employee
parking
parking
for
the
rochelle's
restaurant
parking
to
the
park
and
then
there's
about
50.
This
dedicated
trailer
parking
so
plenty
of
parking.
But
again
we
will
take
input
from
staff.
We
will
work
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
need
you
know
peak
requirements
and
that
everybody's
happy,
because
you
can
only
use
these
forms,
you
know
and
do
it
right.
So
you
have
to
work
together.
A
And
we
intentionally
didn't
put
that
level
of
detail
together
for
this
meeting,
because
really
it
was
a
matter
of
taking
the
temperature
of
if
this
council
is
going
to
move.
You
know
forward
with
this
project.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
get
into
detail
on
the
road
design
parking
spots.
All
of
that
so
there's
time
to
come.
If
we
decide
we
want
to
move
forward
with
this.
Mr.
B
Jameson
yeah
so
come
back
to
the
10.31
acreage,
that's
residential
to
conservationist
questions,
probably
for
our
city
manager,
or
so.
If
I
like,
the
plan
as
a
whole,
if
we,
if
they
relinquish
that
residential
area
to
con
conservation,
what
what
guarantees,
if
anything,
were
to
move
forward
in
this
in
the
future,
would
they
have
to
come
back
in
front
of
a
council
or
mayor
or
is
there
what
kind
of
language
is
unlocked
for
that
at
10.31
acres.
C
C
So
there
are
several
in
there
that
say
you
know
they're
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
you
should
be
increasing
the
density,
so
that
sort
of
thing,
but
again.
C
H
H
How
does
that
impact
the
rest
of
the
city,
because
we'd
have
to
take
out
that
we're
not
allowing
any
additional
commercial
land?
That's
zone
commercial
in?
I
don't
think
the
comp
thing
can
get
specific
saying,
except
for
this
1.2
acres
in
this
area
will
allow
it
there.
So
we
allow
this
to
be
changed
to
commercial
zoning.
Does
that
open
up
us,
the
rest
of
the
city
where
commercial
can
be
developed
or
added
to
or
or
land
be
changed
to
commercial
versus?
H
C
If
they
were
changing
just
the
underlying
land
use
of
that
parcel,
no,
but
it
it
isn't,
would
be
in
conflict
with
that
policy.
So
there
could
be
the
potential
that
that
policy
needs
to
change.
To
support
that
again,
we
haven't
done
that
level
of
detailed
analysis
on
their
proposal
yet,
but
it
would
be
something
that
we
need
to
look
at.
H
E
Yeah,
I'm
I
like
the
plan
on
the
overall
site
plan
that
one
little
area
is
in
the
proposed
park
area.
So
I
think
if
we
can
get
it,
you
know
just
guarantee
that
that
area
that
we're
that
you're,
taking
from
residential
to
conservation
just
guarantee
that
to
the
north
florida
land
trust.
So
that
way
it's
we
know.
You
know
it's
guaranteed
in
that
area.
I
think
adding
this
this
park
area
up.
There
would
be
beneficial
to
all
the
people
of
jack's
beach.
It's
a
beautiful
area.
E
If
you
see
it
from
the
water,
it's
it's
got
a
lot
of
stand-up
paddleboard,
kayakable
things.
That
was
one
question
I
had
is:
do
you
have
any
proposed
kayak
launches,
because
there
is
often
on
one
there,
but
it's
pretty
beat
up,
and
I
know
if
you're
talking
about
putting
a
place
to
rent
kayaks
and
stand-up
paddleboards,
you
don't
want
them
launching
at
the
boat
ramp.
So
is
there
a
proposal
for
some
of
those.
D
So
the
answer
is
yes,
we
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
with
the
north
florida,
land,
trust
and
their
designers
and
ourselves,
and
we
did
design
a
couple
of
pavilions
on
the
high
islands
out
there
and
on
those
high
islands
they
had
some
tiki
huts
where
you
could
launch
a
kayak.
We
also
which
we
didn't
show,
because
again
it
was
kind
of
we
haven't
done
anything
informal.
It's
been
a
discussion,
but
we
addressed
that.
A
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
one
of
the
earlier
comments
that
we
are
in
the
midst
of
working
on
our
strategic
plan
and
reviewing
our
land
development
code
and
a
lot
of
internal
work
that
we
have
agreed
to
do
is
part
of
planning
the
future
of
our
city.
A
However,
we
really,
we
can't
stop
the
progress
and
things
that
are
happening
in
our
city,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
here
with
a
willing
developer
to
do
something
that
would
already
agree
with
some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
so
far,
in
particular,
from
our
citizens,
which,
if
you
really
look
at
our
vibrant
coastal
community,
that
embraces
the
beach
life,
this
boat
ramp
is
the
only
public
access
to
the
intracoastal
waterway.
There
are
only
two
restaurants
that
you
can
see
the
intercoastal
waterway
from
and
they're
both
within
this
property.
A
So
I
think
that
increasing
and
then,
of
course,
conservation
and
having
some
preserved
land.
There
is
also
important
to
our
community
and
to
our
city,
council
and
our
city
staff.
A
So
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
wins
that
can
be
had
here,
there's
also
a
lot
of
work
and
several
places
as
heather
detailed,
that
this
could
hit
a
complete
roadblock
that
even
beyond
the
city
council,
so
which
is
another
reason
why
we
wanted
the
planning
commission
here
to
hear
what
we
were
hearing
at
this
point
to
appreciate
you
all
being
here,
I'm
not
hearing
any
strong
object
objections
to
moving
forward.
A
I'm
hearing
some
concerns
big
some
big
concerns,
but
does
anybody
else
have
any
any
final
thoughts
on
on
this
project
and
and
kind
of
willingness
to
move
it
forward
or
not?
Mr
mesa,
I
do
agree
with.
B
B
Fortunately,
obviously,
the
city
of
jacksonville
owns
that
street.
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
benefit
not
just
to
the
city
but
to
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
for
everyone
that
has
a
boat.
I
don't
have
a
boat.
B
E
Improve
in
second
every
north,
so
those
are
just
my
thoughts,
mr
stokes
yeah,
final
thoughts.
When
you
drive
over
you
either
leaving
jack
speech
or
coming
to
jack's
beach
on
beach
boulevard.
This
is
kind
of
one
of
the
first
areas
that
you
see
and
I
think
the
opportunity
to
really
make
this
a
you
know
really
a
five-star
facility
is
is
finally
before
us.
It's
been
an
area
that
hasn't
been
the
cleanest
and
most
up-kept
well-kept
area.
You
know
changing
that.
E
You
know
that
proposed
multi-family
area
instead
of
just
you
know:
empty
boat
storage,
even
just
those
minimal.
You
know,
I
know
you
all
have
been
working
for
the
last
couple
of
years
and
just
beautifying
the
place
and
when
you
come
over
the
bridge-
and
you
see
something,
that's
a
lot
more
attractive
than
it
has
been.
It's
it's
a
benefit.
You
know
to
the
people
visiting
here
and,
and
then
us
that
live
here.
E
That,
actually,
you
know,
can
something
for
us
to
be
proud
of
kind
of
final
two
thoughts
is,
is
I
can
understand
both
sides
of
the
argument
on
the
commercial
that
one
little
commercial
spot?
You
can
understand
from
the
developer
side,
and
you
know
knowing
that
yeah
you
do
want
something
that
is
in
a
safe
spot
for
the
trailers
to
get
all
the
supplies
the
benefit
it
could
have
to
this.
But
you
know
if
we,
you
know
all
of
a
sudden
open
up
a
can
of
worms
on
the
comp
plan.
E
It
could
have
serious
ramifications,
so
I
see
that
on
side
of
it
as
well,
so
that'll
be
one
that
we'll
definitely
further
do
the
last
one.
I'm
I
would
like
just
a
little
kicker
is
to
try
to
get
some
improvements
that
public
park
there,
you
kind
of
mentioned
just
kind
of
a
turn
off
for
parking,
but
it's
kind
of
a
forgotten
park
for
jacks
beach,
and
it
is
actually
a
pretty
nice
little
area.
E
I
Sculpting,
this
is
a
this.
I
agree
with
everybody.
This
has
a
lot
of
really
good
opportunities
in
it.
I
will
say
that
for
many
years
there
we
have
tried
to
get
that
property
into
conservation,
that's
north
of
each
marine.
We
had
citizens
that
drove
to
tallahassee
back
in
2007
or
eight,
and
we
got
florida
forever
funding
for
that
property,
but
twice
we
were
not
ever
able
to
get
to
get
across
the
finish
line
on
that.
So
I
think
that
the
conservation
of
that
property
would
be
huge
for
our
community.
I
I
The
parking
is
a
big
issue.
I
will
say
this
is
my
district,
I'm
a
district
representative
and
so
beach
marine
is
in
my
district,
and
I
have
had
several
people
who
talk
to
me
about
the
fact
that
the
boat
ramp
parking
is
insufficient
for
our
community
and
and
the
use
of
the
boat
ramp.
So
anything
we
can
do
to
increase
the
vote.
Rent
parking,
which
was
also
something
we
were
trying
to
do
with
the
florida
forever
funding,
would
be,
would
be
very
beneficial
to
the
community.
I
I
have
to
agree,
though,
that
I
do
have
concerns
about,
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
very
carefully
when
we
are
considering
change
to
the
comp
plan
with
regard
to
the
commercial
and
what
kind
of
can
worms
we
could
be
opening
if
we
change
it
in
such
a
way
that
it
impacts
it
could
impact
the
rest
of
the
city,
but
I
definitely
think
that
there
are
some
good
opportunities
here.
I
just
want
us
to
be
very
careful
in
how
we
proceed.
H
C
It
was
the
policy
that
you
referenced,
so
I
don't
have
the
exact
number,
but
it
says
something
along
the
lines
of
we're
good
on
commercial
development.
We
have
enough
places
to
put
it
so
any
new
commercial
will
go
in
infill
areas,
not
in
new
locations,
so
this
would
be
considered
a
potentially
new
location
since
it's
surrounded
by
non-commercial
uses,
surrounded
by
conservation
and
recreation.
H
H
To
and
it's
up
to
the
applicant
to
demonstrate
that
this
application
is
meeting
those
criteria
correct.
C
B
G
G
So
what
I
like,
I
say,
I'm
I
have
the
applicant
and
then
seven
can
say
so
I
that
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
proposal
to
us,
because
a
lot
of
money
is
being
spent
by
a
lot
of
people
to
improve
2nd
avenue
north
to
go
out
there
and
to
provide
additional
parking
for
the
program
and
everything.
We
really
think
that
the
boat
ramp
needs
to
be
upgraded
not
only
in
its
parking
and
in
the
design
of
its
access
and
parking,
but
in
the
facilities
and
uses
that
would
support
it.
G
G
So
we
would
hope
that
maybe
we
will
take
a
look
at
some
arguments
that
we
fit
within
the
policy,
perhaps
as
it
being
supported
commercial
use
or
effectively
infill,
because
it
is
supporting
the
the
boat
ramp.
That's
right
there.
We
will
look
at
the
other
commercial
areas
that
beach
marine
has
to
see.
If
maybe
there
is
some
kind
of
swap
off
or
something
that
could
be
done,
I
don't
know
whether
that's
possible,
but
we'll
look
at
that.
G
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
we'll
look
very
carefully
at
that
policy
and
we'll
come
up
with
the
best
grounds
that
we
can
come
up
with
to
make
it
consistent
with
that
policy
and
fit
within
that
policy,
and
I'll
also
again
emphasize
that
the
existing
restaurant
that's
there
is
not
in
commercial,
it's
in
recreation
and
open
space,
because
it
supports
a
recreational
use
there.
That
is
the
boat
ramps.
We
think
this
could
be
in
recreation
open
space,
but
we're
we're
happy
to
make
the
case
that
commercial.
G
With
the
comprehensive
plan
policies,
so
we
hope
that
everybody
keeps
an
open
mind,
we'll
come
back
with
arguments
and
with
facts
and
with
maybe
some
swap
offs
or
something
that
would
get
to
that
policy,
but
for
stefan
and
for
beach
marine
that
use
at
the
end,
which
is
on
property.
It
owns
uploads
that
it
holds
that
use
is
very
important
to
the
whole
puzzle
here.
So
is
that
anything
else
to
say
about
that?
G
You
know
I.
I.
D
Fully
respect
the
commissioner's
concern,
I
mean,
I
don't
think
that
likely
so
in
martha's
vineyard,
where
we
own
two
marinas.
We
have
a
very
similar
situation.
D
They
were
in
the
middle
of
their
comprehensive
plan,
and
so
I
don't
really
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
so
I
don't
know
exactly
the
technicalities,
but
then,
in
order
to
plan
to
say
that
for
marine
and
working
waterfront
uses,
it
was
very
specific
in
the
plan
that
you
could
show
you
can
actually
do
related
support
uses
like
stand-up,
paddleboard,
rentals,
kayaks,
restaurants,
a
shrimp
shack.
You
know.
D
D
D
Dilemma
that
we
saw
in
martha's
vineyard,
I
wish
I
had
that
language
in
now,
but
maybe
tr
and
I
could
do
some
work
on
it,
and
maybe
we
could
introduce
a
language
that
helps
the
commission
and
the
mayor
to
kind
of
really
call
it
out
for
what
it
is
that
it
is
something
that
serves
the
visiting
and
general
public
at
large
and
it
serves
the
park
and
it
you
know.
Maybe
we
could
do
something
around
that,
so
that
we
would
come
back
to
you
on
that,
maybe
with
some
language
mirroring
what
we
did
in
right.
H
Is
it
possible
to
create
if
we're
gonna
go
into
the
comp
plan?
Is
it
possible
to
create
a
new
zone
in
such
a
way
that
he's
describing
as
an
ancillary
use
to
a
recreational
facility
and
and
be
able
to
hand
in
how
what
can
be
done
on
that
property
to
ice
fishing
chat?
You
know
that
kind
of
thing
is
that
possible,
so
so
this
way
you
know
we
don't
all
of
a
sudden
end
up
with
a
three-story.
C
Yeah,
I
think
it
might
be
possible.
We'd
have
to
do
some
more
research
and
reading
into
you
know.
What
could
we
consider
rec
open
space
as
opposed
to
commercial?
You
know
what
the
limits
would
be
and
work
with
the
landowner
to
decide.
You
know
what
that
might
look
like.
There
is
another
policy
in
the
comp
plan.
Come
to
your
point
about
martha's
vineyard.
That
says:
if
marinas
are
going
to
be
expanded,
it
will
be
limited
to
dry
storage.
Essentially,
so
I'm
not.
C
That
came
from
long
before
I
started
working
here,
but
there
might
be
some
opportunities
there.
We
would
just
have
to
really
kind
of.
G
H
D
B
Seems
to
me
that
there's
a
lot
of
wins
for
for
everybody
in
this
proposal
so
far,
I
am
interested
to
see
where
we
go
from
here
and
I'm
definitely
open
to
that
for
the
policy
I
wasn't
around
when
it
was
developed,
but
it
seems
to
me
projection
released
that
policy
for
the
there's
more
to
keep
commercial
creep
from
going
into
the
residential
area.
B
Seeing
that
we
were
built
built
out,
and
I
don't
think
there
was
probably
a
lot
of
thought-
I'm
not
sure
when
it
was
developed,
it
didn't
seem
to
be
like
there
was
a
lot
of
thought
that
there
was
actually
new
land
to
develop
for
for
commercial.
But
I
would
love
to
see
you
know.
Possibly,
you
know
what
we
can
do
to
you
know
what
the
options.
A
C
Sure
the
obviously
I
think
we
probably
need
to
have
some
more
conversations
with
them,
and
then
you
know
once
they
kind
of
get
everything
squared
away.
They
would
submit
some
official
applications
to
the
city
which
we
would
process
and
look
forward
to
you
guys
so
again.
Florida
statute
allows
them
to
move
changes
to
the
comp
plan
and
the
land
development
code.
The
zoning
atlas.
They
can
move
those
processes
along
at
the
same
time.
B
A
All
right,
I
just
want
to
say
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
work
with
us.
I
think
that
you've
been
patient
through
the
transition
of
a
city
manager,
planning,
director
and
a
counselor,
and
I
appreciate
our
council's
participation
in
asking
informed
questions
and
evaluating
this
project
as
we
move
forward
and
also
just
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
Beach
marine
is
looking
so
much
nicer
these
days
and
you
guys
have
put
a
lot
of
time
money
effort
into
really
improving
that
property.
A
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
where
this
goes
and
hope
that
ultimately,
we
can
stay
consistent
with
what
we've
said.
We
want
to
do
in
the
city's
mission
and
vision
and
just
give
our
residents
and
visitors
a
really
nice
opportunity
to
to
get
to
the
water,
which
is
just
shocking-
that
we
don't
have
that
right
now.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
today
and
our
next
meeting
is.
A
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight
and
if
everybody,
if
you
guys,
want
to
hang
out
and
if
there's
any
informal
questions
to
be
asked,
I'm
sure
this
is
a
great
opportunity.