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A
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
it's
february
28th
5
30
p.m.
It
is
our
bi-weekly
council
briefing.
We
have
a
handful
of
items
for
you
tonight.
The
first
thing
that
we're
going
to
do
is
have
a
presentation
from
the
ship,
the
city
clerk's
office.
Regarding
campaign,
finance
reporting
changes,
specifically
some
new
technology
that
we
will
be
deploying,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
clerk
sherry,
dawson.
B
B
Okay,
so
I
am
going
to
give
a
quick
overview
of
the
easy
campaign
finance
program.
I
want
to
mention
that
patrick
lee,
who
is
our
easy
vote
account
manager
is
also
in
attendance
if
there
are
any
questions
after
the
presentation.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
The
candidate
is
not
the
person
logged
in
right
now
on
this
screen.
It's
somebody
named
aubry
who
is
listed
as
an
account
manager
and
aubry
can
file
and
demand
reports
under
the
candidate
they
are
associated
with
and
get
this
case
at.
The
doris,
hillbrook
and
notifications
will
be
sent
if
fines
are
due
for
filing
late
reports
and
also
emails,
reminding
them
of
the
next
filing
period.
B
B
Is
that-
and
you
can
see
right
in
the
middle
of
the
form
here?
Report
is
date
and
time
stamped
when
it
is
submitted.
So,
instead
of
trying
to
make
it
into
city
hall
during
business
hours
to
drop
off
your
report
at
the
city
clerk's
office,
this
will
allow
candidates
to
submit
their
forms
up
to
11
59
pm
on
the
date
it
is
due.
B
B
B
B
I
want
to
say
that
we're
excited
to
offer
this
electronic
online
camping
finance
portal
for
both
the
candidates
and
the
public,
and
it
is
a
new
program
for
the
city
clerk's
office
as
well.
So
we
will
do
our
best
to
work
with
the
candidates
to
get
them
started.
It's
gonna
be
a
new
process
for
everybody,
and
that's
really
all
I
have
for
the
presentation.
If
anybody
have
any
questions,
I'm
available
or
patrick
with
easy
vote
is
available
for
questions.
D
Quick
question
for
you:
does
the
software
have
an
ability
to
create
the
financials
electronically
within
the
software?
Are
we
still
creating
a
pdf
on
our
own
computers
and
or
writing
them
by
hand
and
uploading
them.
B
If
you,
if
you
use
the
wizard,
the
four
wizard
it
lets,
you
do
it
right
through
the
program.
D
Excellent
well,
this
was
long
overdue
and
I
think
this
is
fantastic
by
the
way
so
we're
catching
up
to
to
jacksonville.
I
think
this
is
much
needed
and
thank
you
for
putting
forth
the
effort
on
this.
F
Thank
you
with
regard
to
exporting
the
data
it
can
be
exported
into
a
excel
and
manipul
spreadsheet
type
form.
G
I'm
I'm
here:
okay,
yep,
so
yeah
the
the
search
results.
The
search
function
in
our
system
will
pull
from
content.
That's
completed
electronically,
we're
not
doing
ocr
text
recognition
on
hand
filled
up
forms.
So
if
you
complete
it
using
the
document
wizards,
which
is
kind
of
like
a
light
version
of
turbotax,
if
you
will
guides
you
through
all
the
different
steps
to
complete
the
form,
the
document-
and
you
can
then
search
on
those
results,
money
and
money
out,
so
contributions
or
expenditures,
the
search
results
are
then
exported
to
a
csv
file.
G
So
you
can
directly
pull
that,
and
so
you
know
older
forms
can
be
uploaded
and
presented
on
the
public
piece
underneath
each
candidate
or
committee,
whatever
we
have
other
customers
that
use
like
pacs
and
stuff
or
parties
that
also
submit.
But
the
big
thing
is
that,
again
that
specific
search
function
is
for
electronically
completed
forms
being
able
to
look
for
contributors
and
expenditures.
F
All
right,
so
that's
only
when
it's
put
in
electronically,
you
can
put
it
out,
pull
it
out.
Yes,
okay
and
then,
when
you
export
it,
can
you
export
all
records
of
a
candidate
or
do
you
have
to
export
them
individually?.
H
I
just
want
to
say
that
was
a
great
job
sharing
a
nice
presentation.
I
think
this
it's
about
time.
We
got
into
the
this
century
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
good
thing-
I
look
forward
to
potentially
using
it
here
sometime
soon,.
I
Same
I'm
kind
of
happy
we're
actually
doing
this.
I
know
other
cities
we're
doing
it.
The
only
question
I
have
is
do
we
know
why
the
city
of
jacksonville
deny
the
request
in
2017
for
a
reason.
B
I
do
not
have
the
exact
story,
I
knew
I
know
I
reached
out.
I
know
it
was
asked
back
in
2018,
it
involved
attorneys
and
then
the
answer
came
back,
that
it
was
not
an
option
at
that
time.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
the
specific
reason
why,
but
it
was
not
moved
on
other
than
that.
D
Just
patrick
or
sherry
to
follow
up
with
my
previous
question.
So
when
you,
when
you
file
electronically
in
one
month
it
the
balances,
carry
over
to
the
to
the
per
the
next
month,
the
preceding
month
and
then
so
on
and
so
forth.
All
the
way
through
the
the
life
of
the
campaign.
G
Yes-
and
we
also
have
so-
there
are
some
override
buttons
on
both
the
contribution
carryover
totals
and
the
expenditure
totals.
Should
you
amend
something
out
of
order?
Those
numbers
could
get
a
little
off
there.
If
you
will
right.
Let's
say
I
filed
month,
one
two
and
three
and
I
go
back
and
amend
month,
one
you
know,
depending
on
the
order
of
events
and
how
you
do
it.
G
There
are
some
tools
within
there
to
help
allow
for
those
types
of
scenarios,
but
yes,
it
does
carry
over
it's
gonna,
look
in
the
system
for
the
last
dsd
12,
13
and
14
that
was
submitted
and
grab
that
total
and
use
that
as
the
new
starting
balance
for
the
next
form
that
you're
completing
the
other
thing
is.
If
you
again,
it
just
depends
on
each
municipality
is
a
little
different,
we're
in
17
different
municipalities
in
florida.
G
With
this
solution,
st
pete
has
been
the
they
were
our
first
going
back
to,
I
think,
around
2016
2017,
and
so
when
you
go
through
multiple
election
cycles,
its
system
is
still
wired
up
to
look
at
the
last
document
that
was
submitted
and
so
that
override
checkbox
again
will
allow
you
to
reset
it
back
to
zero
balance.
If
you
will.
A
F
A
F
Say
hi
to
thank
you
to
sherry
and
patrick
before
they
jump
off,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
this
you're
welcome.
A
And
now
we'll
kick
it
over
to
christian
piccoli,
our
senior
planner,
who
will
present
you
with
the
data
analysis
performed
by
planning
and
development
and
some
options
for
consideration
by
council
to
move
forward
christian?
It's
yours.
J
All
right,
good
evening,
everybody-
as
I
mentioned
in
the
memo
to
you
guys
every
ten
years,
we're
required
to
look
at
the
voting
districts
for
the
city,
it's
tied
to
the
the
annual
or
the
I'm
sorry,
the
10-year
census.
J
J
However,
there's
a
typo
in
the
memo
by
the
way
I
apologize
jacksonville
is
made
up
of
seven
tracks,
and
these
are
large
groups
that
are
really
more
applicable
to
congressional
districts
or
state
representative
districts.
J
So,
in
our
approach
we
went
to
the
next
largest
group
for
most
of
the
analysis,
which
is
the
block
group
and
then
for
delineating
the
boundaries
of
the
existing
districts.
We
had
to
drill
down
into
the
actual
blocks,
which
are,
in
most
cases
literally
the
city
blocks
themselves,
which
are
again
the
least
accurate,
but
for
general
population
data
are
acceptably
accurate,
based
on
the
again
the
best
practices.
J
You
had
three
proposals
in
the
packet.
The
first
one
was
based
on
the
existing
boundaries,
and
then
we
came
up
with
two
additional
proposals:
one
based
on
some
comments
that
we
had
gotten
that
there
was
some
desire
to
try
and
have
more
straight
linear
boundaries,
which
is
proposal
two
and
then
proposal.
J
The
information
in
those
tables
basically
show
that
we
have
stuck
within
the
general
limitations
that
are
established
again
as
best
practices
of
keeping
each
district
within
10
to
11
percent
of
each
other,
except
for
proposal.
2
there's
a
12
variant
between
the
top
and
the
largest
and
smallest
district,
but
that
again
is
based
on
trying
to
balance
all
these
differences
for
accuracy
versus
boundaries.
So
those
are
the
three
options
we
came
up
with.
I
can
go
into
some
more
detail
on
sort
of
how
the
data's
put
together,
what
the
blocks
and
tracks
look
like.
A
Thank
you
christian
and
just
for
the
benefit
of
counsel
in
speaking
with
city
attorney
robinson,
regardless
of
which
option
you
choose
or
or
how
we
move
forward,
even
if
it's
status
quo
would
still
require
an
ordinance
for
formal
adoption.
A
D
So
when
I
was
reviewing
this,
I
do
like
I
like
two
options
here.
I
like
option,
one
keeping
it
as
is.
It
looks
well
balanced
and
all
when
you
start
thinking
about
district
proposal
number
three,
where
district
one
comes
into
play,
it
seems
to
be
the
district
that
has
the
most
potential
for
growth.
If
you
start
thinking
about
the
project
at
the
south
end
of
gonzales
park
beach
marine
project,
the
potential
at
the
adventure
landing
site
and
in
proposal
three
that
has
the
least
amount
of
percentage
for
district
one
so
going
forward.
D
That
would
allow
for
more
growth
and
still
be
evenly
balanced
and
it
doesn't
leave
the
responsibility
to
another
council,
one
mayor,
10
years
down
the
road.
H
The
one
thing
about
proposal,
3
that
I
do
like
is
that
it
it
has
put
the
downtown
business
district
and
cra
into
into
district.
One
seems
like
things
like
to
me:
it
looks
like
all
of
it
is
in
there
now
in
the
downtown
business
district,
so
yeah,
I'm
leaning
towards
three,
I'm
not
opposed
to
keeping
it
the
same,
but
but
I
I
think
the
react
makes
more
sense
to
me
now.
I
I,
like
proposal
one
staying
the
same
and
same
with
proposal
three.
I
think
dan
brought
up
a
good
point
in
the
near
future,
depending
on
the
projects
we
have
here
in
district
one.
I
think
it
will
balance
everything
out.
So
I'm
good
with
one
and
proposal
three.
K
K
If
we
were
to
go
with
proposal
3,
the
beach
marine
development
would
be
in
district
3,
not
district
1,
which
I
believe
you
were
saying
that
that
number
three
gives
some
room
for
growth
in
district
one,
and
I
think
I
believe
that
I
mean
it
looks
like
beach.
Marine
would
still
be
in
district
3,
and
so
would
the
development
south
of
gonzales
park.
So
I
don't
see
that
that
is
going
to
add
to
district
one.
A
Thank
you
any
other
council
members
want
to
weigh
in
with
thoughts.
A
Okay,
councilmember
dumont.
F
Thank
you.
I
like
the
numbers
and
the
balance
in
one
two
is
two
off
and
then
three,
I
understand
the
arguments
for
it,
but
those
large
developments
are
going
to
take
time
and
that
will
be
picked
up
in
the
next
census.
The
2030
census
some
will
be
in
district
one.
F
Some
will
be
in
district
three,
but
then
down
here
in
district
two,
we
have
our
own
developments
with
azure
coming
in
that's
gonna
be
an
additional
29
coming
in,
and
then
this
area
we
have
a
lot
of
buildings
getting
knocked
down
in
other
side
of
third
for
more
multi-family
and
town
houses.
So.
A
And
the
chat,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
this
or
if
you're,
just.
G
E
I
like
one
or
three
kind
of
like
what
everybody
says.
I
did
not
like
two,
so
I
I'm
indifferent
to
one
or
three.
If
I
was
gonna
lean
either
way,
I
would
lean
to
status
quo
if
it's
not
broke,
don't
fix
it,
but
between
one
and
three
I
think
the
differential
is
is
relatively
small.
E
I
do
like
the
cra
going
into
one
district
if
that,
if
that's
the
case
on
proposal
three
that
would
that
makes
sense,
but
I
I
I
feel
like
it's:
it's
not
broken
currently,
so
we
don't
need
to
change
it.
The
numbers
haven't
changed
too
much.
E
All
the
proposals
are
still
in
a
close
proximity.
F
Thank
you.
I
believe
the
cra
is
all
in
district
one.
Now,
unless
you
start
looking
at,
I
think
margaritaville.
F
Six,
the
one
of
the
only
and
it's
it
would
be
this
way
for
one
or
three
is
splitting
beach
boulevard,
but
it's
just
kind
of
how
the
population
crumbled,
how
the
population
populated
and
chetty
it's
chet.
You
had
chatty,
you
know
rooting
you
on
back.
There.
H
Yeah
this
year,
I
believe
this
tra
goes
to
ninth
avenue
north
and
on
the
north
side
of
the
sierra
zone,
the
downtown's
a
little
bit
different,
but
as
we
as
we
define
it,
so
it
does
go
up
to
so
just
one
would
encompass
that
in
in
three.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
get
the
city's
input
from
christian,
if
god,
if
there
was
any
other
rhyme
or
reason
why
they
distributed
it,
the
way
they
did
and.
H
H
J
H
I'm
just
well.
I
had
two
different
questions:
let's
do
this
one
first,
okay,
the
gray
bar
the
gray
bar
on
the
east
side
of
the
map
goes
another
three
or
four
blocks
further
north.
Is
that
just
to
take
the
condos
on
the
east
side
of
or
whatever's
on
the
east
side
of
first
street
there,
or
is
that
it
says
beach
border
so
does
that
I'm
that's
the
way.
J
J
So
these
are
the
discrete
data
that
we
used
for
that
determination
and
you
can
see
they're
kind
of
oddly
shaped
so
that
creates
some
of
this
complication.
J
Not
particularly
I
mean
the
numbers
are
pretty
close,
either
way
we're
within
a
percent
or
two
at
the
most
okay
great.
I
don't
live
here,
so
I'm
not
really.
D
A
Okay,
I
think
we've
had
some
pretty
good
comments
on
this
one
as
well,
and
some
good
direction
as
well.
If
there's
no
more
questions
on
this
one,
I
will
say
thank
you
to
christian
for
the
data
analysis
and
for
heather
as
well.
I
know
she's
in
the
background
on
this
item
as
well
and
going
in
a
complete
opposite
direction.
Now
we'll
talk
about
garbage
not
to
be
confused
with
what
christian
just
shared
with
y'all,
which
was
some
excellent
quality
work.
A
You
may
recall
that,
a
few
months
ago,
when
I
say
a
few
months
ago,
several
months
ago,
director,
baron
of
public
works
came
in
front
of
you
and
talked
to
you
about
conversations
we've
been
having
with
waste
management
and
their
recommendation
at
that
time
was
not
to
change
any
of
our
levels
of
service
with
regards
to
solid
waste
collection,
yard,
waste
and
recycling.
L
All
right,
can
you
hear
me
everybody
all
right,
sorry,
I'm
on
some
headphones,
I'm
not
used
to
using.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
you
can
hear
me.
I
included
a
couple
of
graph
bar
summaries
in
the
agenda
memo
to
kind
of
give
you
a
point
of
reference
from
where
we
were
at
in
early
october,
when
we
were
having
these
discussions,
I'm
talking.
Obviously
the
top
one
is
the
number
of
liquidated
damages
and
the
second
chart
was
the
number
of
requests
and
trackees,
which
is
the
tracking
program
we
use.
L
L
So
both
of
those
bar
graphs
kind
of
show
you
that,
since
october
service
has
improved,
at
least
as
far
as
the
the
statistics
and
the
numbers
go
as
far
as
the
telephone
calls,
they
have
also
begin
to-
or
I
should
say
they
have
slowed
down
considerably
since
what
we
were
having
in
october
and
since
I'm
not
getting
emails
from
most
of
you
on
the
call.
L
I'm
assuming
your
calls
have
also
diminished
because
I'm
not
getting
10
to
12
calls
or
emails
a
week
about
particular
locations,
so
so
that's
kind
of
the
preface
of
this.
So
what
we
kind
of
have
is
we
have
two
separate
options
in
front
of
you,
which
would
be,
of
course,
obviously
continue
with
an
rfp
to
move
forward
for
our
contract
that
will
be
ending
in
february
of
2023
and
then,
of
course,
the
option
of
of
taking
solid
waste
in-house.
L
So
the
the
document
that
was
connected
or
attached
to
the
memo
kind
of
has
the
summary
of
comparison
of
the
solid
waste
in-house
analysis
and
I
have
to
tip
my
hat
to
finance.
L
We
began
our
conversation
with
the
middle
section
number
two,
which
is
kind
of
the
requests
that
public
works
thought
we
were
going
to
need
to
put
in
place
for
vehicles
and
staffing
and
then
that
ultimately
come
out
to
a
very
huge
undertaking
on
behalf
of
ashley
and
her
department
to
be
able
to
put
together
a
lot
of
extra
work
to
come
up
with
the
analysis.
L
L
We
have
to
be
able
to
compare
apples
to
apples.
We
have
to
be
able
to
compare
what
we're
doing
now
to
what
would
the
intent
be
of
the
city
moving
forward?
I'm
not
saying
that.
There's
not
money
to
be
saved
by
changing
level
of
services,
but
we
could
probably
have
a
whole
entire
briefing
on
levels
of
service
and
where
every
single
person
thought
they
should
be
and
how
they
should
function
throughout
the
city.
L
So
we
kind
of
took
that
off
the
table
with
making
the
assumption
nothing
was
going
to
change
compared
to
what
we're
doing
right
now
or
what
waste
management
is
doing
for
us.
The
second
assumption
was
the
city
intended
to
only
issue
debt.
Once
that
means
we
were
going
to
borrow
a
pile
of
money.
We
were
going
to
purchase
a
bunch
of
trucks,
get
everything
ready
to
roll.
L
We
were
going
to
pay
that
debt
service
forward
for
the
next
10
years
to
pay
off
for
all
those
equipment
needs
that
we
had
to
begin
in
this
process,
and
then
we
would
also,
during
that
time
frame,
be
setting
aside
funding
to
be
able
to
recoup
those
purchases
as
they
get
to
end
of
life.
So
this
would
become
a
self-sustaining
program
moving
forward.
L
So
that
covers
the
next
couple
of
assumptions,
and
we
also
understand
that
the
lead
times
on
most
of
these
vehicles
are
almost
a
year
which
puts
us
here.
We
are
on
the
cusp
of
march
1st,
with
a
contract
that
would
end
almost
exactly
a
year
from
now.
So
we
are
at
that
decision
making
time
that
says.
L
If
this
is
the
direction,
we
need
to
go
we're
going
to
need
the
thumbs
up
to
kind
of
begin
this
process
to
be
able
to
get
everything
in
a
roll
to
be
able
to
get
everything
going,
and
there
was
a
couple
of
unknowns
that
we
had
to
kind
of
throw
in
here,
and
I
caveat
that,
because
one
of
those
which
include
includes
recycling
currently
recycling
has
no
cost
to
us
because
of
our
no
tipping
fee
agreement.
L
However,
if
we're
in
the
business
of
recycling,
we
now
have
to
secure
our
own
company
able
to
dispose
of
recycling,
however,
that
be
to
take
it
to
one
of
the
the
resource,
the
recycling
centers
and
be
able
to
get
it
sorted
and
get
it
moved
on.
So
we
have
made
some
assumptions
on
some
costs
throughout
this
entire
process,
and
one
of
the
other
big
negatives
is:
is
we're
really
borrowing
a
lot
of
money
to
be
able
to
purchase
trucks
and
equipment
that,
by
the
time
this
loan
gets
done?
L
None
of
those
trucks
and
equipment
will
still
be
in
fleet
service
whatsoever.
They
will
already
either
be
at
end
of
life
and
be
ready
to
be
disposed
of,
or
they
would
have
already
been
disposed
of
and
replaced
during
the
cycle
of
this
10-year
period.
So
so,
of
course,
the
the
two
big
takeaways
from
this
entire
process
is,
we
would
have
to
bond
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
or
so
give
or
take.
Of
course,
this
would
we'd
have
to
fine
tune
this
a
little
more.
L
L
We
would
be
increasing
our
staff
by
by
approximately
19
18
19
individuals
to
be
able
to
run
this
department
and
then
ultimately,.
L
The
garbage
rates
as
they
are
today
would
have
to
be
increased
by
38
percent
to
continue
to
fund
this
program
going
forward
at
just
as
we
have
it
laid
out.
So
I
didn't
bore
you
with
the
ginormous
spreadsheet
that
attached
this,
because
ashley
did
a
fantastic
job,
but
let
me
just
say
in
11
by
17
the
numbers
are
so
small.
L
You
can't
see
really
what
they
say
in
all
of
them,
but
we
have
tried
to
figure
out
every
single
possible
expense
to
this
program,
to
account
for
it
up
front
and
that
kind
of
began
from
the
rough
end
saying
hey
we
want
to.
We
want
to
start
with
this
many
drivers
and
this
this
much
stuff
to
go
and
a
couple
of
cutting
cutting
edge
things
that
kind
of
aren't
included
in
this.
Well,
we
had
to
take
a
stab
at
training.
L
L
And
so
we
made
some
assumptions
on
wages
as
to
what
it
was
going
to
take
to
put
people
in
these
seats
and
obviously
keep
them
in
their
seats
so
that
we
don't
have
to
be
worried
about
becoming
the
mechanism
that
churns
drivers
for
other
facilities
to
be
able
to
use
or
capitalize
on
to
keep
this
going.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
questions
on
the
assumptions.
Any
questions
on
any
of
the
individual
assumptions
made
or
anything
else,
but
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
and
all
questions.
D
No
questions
dennis
good
job.
By
the
way
I
have
not
been
a
fan
of
bringing
it
in
house
from
the
from
the
very
start.
I,
like
the
the
private
enterprise
handling
our
waste
collection.
To
your
point.
The
complaints
have
gone
way
down.
I
haven't
gotten
an
email
or
call
on
it
in
quite
some
time,
so
I
think
they're
improving.
I,
like
the
the
responsibility,
lies
on
the
private
sector
instead
of
the
city
as
well.
So
I
say
we
move
forward
with
what
we
have
until
2023.
I
I
agree
with
councilmember
dan
johnston.
I
think
this
program
will
be
beneficial
later
on.
Maybe
I
just
can't
see
myself
supporting
us
and
getting
ourselves
into
a
debt
and
paying
it
off
in
10
years,
and
these
vehicles
be
long
gone.
I
K
Thank
you
dennis
and
ashley
for
the
obvious
amount
of
work
that
was
put
into
this.
I
I
feel
really
comfortable
with
the
information
that
you
guys
put
together.
I
feel
like
it's
a
very
sound
analysis,
and
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
that
have
spoken
so
far
that
that
to
bring
this
in-house
is
not
the
not
the
thing
we
need
to
do
at
this
point,
but
I
do
have
a
question.
I
you
probably
expect,
though,
when
we
do
an
rfp
that
we
we
will
see
an
increase,
though,
is
that
correct?
L
My
crystal
ball
is
currently
broken,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
good
answer
for
that
question.
However,
I
think
I
included
in
my
memo
what
what
atlantic
beach
had
just
seen
when
they
have
done
an
rfp
and
actually
their
proposals
were
higher
than
the
number
they
actually
settled
on
their
rfp.
Let
them
narrow
it
down
to
a
particular
vendor,
and
then
they
proceeded
with
negotiations
from
there
and
I
think
theirs
was
around
a
21
increase
in
residential
garbage.
K
L
K
But
no,
I
no!
I
I
agree
with
everyone
so
far
that
that
I
think
that
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
put
out
the
rfp
and
then
I
think,
we'll
have
to
look
at
how
we,
how
we
approach
that
you
know
that
next
step
as
to
yeah,
do
we
change
service?
Do
we
increase
the
rates
whatever,
so
thank
you
dennis
and
and
ashley
both.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Okay,
so
I
did
remember
what
I
was
gonna
say
look
at
that
it
came
back
to
me
in
in
conversations
with
ashley.
I
know
there's
some
concerns
when
you
start
looking
at
our
solid
waste
enterprise
fund
when
you
get
into
the
outlying
years.
So
you
know,
even
if
even
if
the
the
the
rfp
comes
in
and
there's
not
an
increase
in
cost
at
all,
that
doesn't
mean.
L
We
still
won't
see
some
minor
increase
to
and
to
be
included
at
some
point
in
time
to
be
able
to
assure
that
our
reserves
in
the
solid
waste
enterprise
fund
don't
of
course,
dip
below
the
required
levels
that
we're
expecting,
and
I
think
we
see
that
currently
when
you
get
out
after
five
years
plus.
So
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that'll
take
to
do.
L
But
some
of
that's
going
to
depend
on
the
new
rates
and
then,
of
course,
the
new
minimums
that
are
put
in
play
as
far
as
fund
balance
performance
so
that
we
know
that
what
we
need
to
keep
in
there,
especially
for
hurricane
damages
and
whatnot,
that
we
have
to
pay
up
front
and
then
get
reimbursed
back
after
the
fact.
So
there's
there's
a
key
analysis
piece
that
comes
into
there,
which
which
we
we
can
talk
about
once
we
get
a
little
further
along
in
the
rfp
process,.
F
Thank
you,
like
others,
have
mentioned,
dennis
and
ashley
you've
done
a
great
job
ashley.
I
appreciate
a
full
cost
analysis
and
you
did
a
great
job
with
it.
I
asked
that
we
have
good
information
to
be
able
to
make
this
decision.
This
is
good
information,
but
I
hope
the
public
is
aware
that,
even
though
we're
not
it
looks
like
we're
not
going
to
bring
it
in
house,
which
is
a
good
decision.
F
Looking
at
the
6.5,
roughly
million
that
we'd
have
to
bond
prices
are
going
to
go
up
because
of
the
markets
and
the
demands
and
what
people
are
going
to
pay.
So,
while,
yes,
that
we
would
have
had
the
6.5
bond
along
with
a
possible
or
most
likely
trash
fee
increase,
we
can't
guarantee
that
there
wouldn't
be
an
increase
in
the
future
in
the
relatively
near
future.
Because
of
how
much
solid
waste
is
starting
to
cost.
H
Not
dennis,
I
just
appreciate
y'all
putting
this
together
great
information,
and
I
agree
with
everyone
else
that
I
don't
think
it
is
a
service
that
we
want
to
provide
as
a
city
that
putting
an
rfp
out
is
the
definitely
agree
that
that's
already
right
way
to
go.
A
L
One
more
stainless
plug
one
more
shameless
plug
for
ashley
doing
a
fantastic
job,
because
I
couldn't
have
done
this
without
her.
I
would
have
been
about
half
half
half
of
what
she
came
in
at,
but
she
started
asking
questions
about
things
I
hadn't
even
had
them
to
think
about.
So
that's
what
she
just
paid
big
bucks
for.
So
we
appreciate
her
doing
that.
C
All
right
well
good
evening.
Everyone!
C
This
item
is
on
your
agenda
tonight
because,
as
you
recall,
back
in
december
council
extended
its
moratorium
on
the
commercial
use
of
micro
mobility
devices
and
one
of
the
conditions
for
that
extension
was
for
the
city
attorney
to
use
the
interim
time
to
find
out.
If
there
are
some
options
that
you
all
could
consider
in
your
discussions
as
to
whether
or
not
you
want
to
implement
a
program
here
in
jacksonville
beach.
So
in
preparation
of
today's
meeting,
I
prepared
a
memorandum
that
was
made
available
to
you
as
a
part
of
your
agenda
packet.
C
I
won't
go
through
that
verbatim,
but
in
highlight
there
are
six
programs
that
I
found
throughout
the
country,
foreign
in
florida,
two
outside
of
florida,
which
I
think
are
really
good
models
for
us
to
look
to
to
discuss
whether
or
not
we
think
one
of
these
programs
will
be
successful
here
in
the
city.
Specifically,
the
florida
jurisdictions
are
coral,
gables,
gainesville,
jacksonville
and
miami
outside
of
florida,
it's
austin,
texas
and
santa
monica
california.
C
Now
the
part
of
my
memo,
I
explained
to
you
how
I
chose
these
particular
programs
and
there
wasn't
anything
magical
to
it,
except
with
respect
to
santa
monica
and
coral
gables.
Santa
monica
is
the
oldest
program
in
the
united
states.
It's
considered
the
best
or
one
of
the
best
programs
in
the
united
states,
so
I
thought
it
was
very
important
for
us
to
have
that
as
a
model
to
consider.
C
Similarly,
coral
gables
is
the
oldest
program
in
florida,
and
for
that
reason
I
looked
to
coral
gables
and
set
that
out
to
be
considered
as
well.
With
respect
to
the
other
programs,
there
were
different
criteria
used.
Those
were
articulated
in
the
memo
and
what
I'd
like
to
say
is
there
are
among
these
programs.
I
think
there
is
generally
a
reputation
of
those
things
being
those
programs
being
active.
C
Most
of
them
are
considered
successful
to
some
degree
and
again,
I
think
it
was
important
for
us
to
have
available
to
us
options
that
were
both
effect
active
and
successful.
There
was
on
page
one
a
reference
to
seven
programs
being
highlighted.
Initially,
I
wanted
to
include
fort
lauderdale.
C
After
having
spoken
to
a
representative
from
their
transportation
program,
I
decided
to
take
that
out
of
the
mix
once
he
told
me
that
they
were
on
quote-unquote
pause
and
had
been
on
pause
since
2020.,
again
being
active
was
one
of
those
things
that
I
thought
was
important
for
council
to
have
before
it.
So
with
respect
to
those
those
programs,
the
general
attributes
that
they
all
share
are
these.
First
of
all,
all
of
those
programs
have
what
I
would
call
a
comprehensive
ordinance
that
enables
their
program.
C
I
I
contrasted
that
with
our
ordinance,
which,
if
we
were
trying
to
regulate
from
what
we
have
paused
here
in
our
city,
I
would
say
that
the
differences
are
very
significant,
because
our
ordinance
appears
to
be
primarily
intended
to
cover
the
regulation
of
human
power
bicycles
and,
to
the
extent
that
micro
mobility
devices
are
brought
into
the
mix.
It's
brought
into
the
mix
fairly
generally,
and
not
with
much
many
specifics.
C
These
successful
programs
and
I'll
just
call
them
that,
for
this
purpose,
our
discussion,
the
successful
programs-
are
very
specific
about
not
only
how
the
vendors
operate
within
the
locality,
but
also
the
expectations
of
the
users.
C
So
I
think
it
would
do
us
well
to
look
to
those
particular
factors
in
our
consideration
and
another
attribute
that
these
successful
programs
share
is
their
commitment
to
educating
the
public.
Now
I've
called
it
educating
the
public
throughout
the
memoranda,
but
if
you
go
through
the
ordinances
that
were
attached
to
the
memo,
it's
educating
the
users.
Basically,
the
consumers
before
or
at
the
time
of
of
use,
are
required
to
have
certain
information
specifically
how
to
use
the
device
where
to
use
the
device
where
to
park
the
device
etc.
C
The
education
piece
was
identified
by
almost
every
locality
as
being
the
primary
reason
that
there
was
a
reduction
in
the
complaints
from
the
first
year
to
the
subsequent
years
and
so
and
it
can
take
a
number
of
forms
and
it
can
be
as
comprehensive
or
detailed
as
you
want,
but
I've
referenced
a
little
video
clip
that
the
city
of
austin
makes
available
to
users
on
their
website,
but
it's
actually
beneficial
to
someone
who's,
just
perusing,
just
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
what
the
program
is
all
about.
C
E
Stokes,
who
would
have
guessed
it
would
be
my
hand
on
micro
mobility
sandy.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
this
presentation.
When
we
first
started
talking
about
it,
I
felt
like
there
we
were
leaving
a
lot
of
stones
left
unturned
and
I
really
enjoyed
reading
what
you
put
together.
I
thought
you,
you
did
a
really
in-depth
analysis
on
it
and
I
think
that
the
program
is
worth
considering.
Based
on
your
based
on
what
you
put
together,
you
mentioned
the
relative
success.
E
E
I
think
that
you
know
you
mentioned
that
the
the
comprehensive
ordinance
I
think,
was
very
important
and
that
what
we
originally
put
together
wasn't
complete
enough,
and
so
I
have.
I
have
a
lot
of
faith
that
you
and
us,
as
a
council,
can
put
together
a
very
comprehensive
ordinance
that
will
make
this
a
successful
program,
and
you
know
I
I
think
it's
definitely
worth
considering,
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
benefit
for
both
visitors
and
our
residents
to
go
around
the
beach.
E
I
consider
us
very
you
know.
Santa
monica
is
a
great
play
on
jax
beach
coastal
community,
and
so
I
like
that
that
one
and
it
just
so
happens,
they
have
the
longest
program.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
sandy.
I
hope
that
we
can
move
forward,
but
you
know
I
support
this
and
I
hope
that
we
can
find
a
way
to
to
make
it
positive
for,
for
everybody.
K
Thank
you
mike
and
thank
you
sandy.
I
I
echo
mr
stokes
comments.
As
far
as
the
work
that
you
did
on
this,
I
think
it
you
provided
a
lot
of
really
great
information.
I
do
have
a
question.
Can
you
tell
us
why
fort
lauderdale
has
paused
their
program.
C
C
They
were
pretty
happy
with
that
decision,
so
that
was
why
that
was
what
was
explained
to
me
as
reason
for
the
pause,
but
one
of
the
reasons
I
reached
out
to
them
was
not
only
because
it
was
considered
like
one
of
the
longer
running
programs
in
the
state,
but
they
have
a
really
good
ordinance.
So
I
think
that
and
there's
nothing
in
their
ordinance.
Now
that
says
it's
on
pause
or
there's
a
moratorium
in
place,
or
anything
like
that.
So
literally,
it's
just
a
matter
of
all
of
the
permits
have
expired.
C
Nothing
new
has
been
issued
everybody's
waiting
for
some
future
action.
Notwithstanding
that
administrative
turn
of
events,
if
you
look
at
that,
that
ordinance
is
a
very
well
written
ordinance,
it's
comprehensively
written.
I
think
it
handles
or
addresses
most
of
the
issues
that
are
articulated
as
concerns
by
most
most
programs,
and
so
with
respect
to
utilizing
that
I
think
we
could
still
look
to
that
as
either
a
model
within
itself
or
take
portions
of
it
to
be
incorporated
in
an
ordinance
here.
If
the
decision
is
to
move
forward
with
something
more
concrete.
C
K
Okay,
so
you
know
I
I'd
be
willing
to
move
forward
with
conversations
on
on
how
we
would
implement
something
like
this.
I
do
like
what
you've
provided
as
far
as
the
the
rfp
process.
I
think
that
that
sounds
like
that.
Would
that
would
help
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
some
of
the
other.
K
So
just
a
few
comments
about
things
that
I
saw
in
some
of
these
other
organs
is,
of
course,
I
like
the
fact
that
they
limit
the
number
of
vendors,
the
number
of
devices
at
the
geo
fencing
which
we
had
talked
about.
So
I
it
was
good
to
see
you
know
jacksonville's
using
that
I'd,
be
curious
to
know
what
their
experience
has
been
with
that,
and
you
know
I
saw
that
they
are
charging
for
users
that
go
outside
of
that
geo-fencing
area,
and
how
is
that
working
the
educational
plan
yeah?
K
I
totally
agree,
and
I
think
that
that
it's
good
to
see
that
all
these
ordinances
do
have
that
and
they
they
reinforce
the
need
for
that
speed
limitations,
the
requirements
to
remove
the
devices
or,
if
there's
a
you,
know,
hurricane
or
severe
weather
event.
You
know,
that's
declared,
you
know.
K
All
of
all
of
these
are
things
that
I
definitely
think
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
include
in
in
our
ordinance,
and
I
really
liked
the
fact
that
I
believe
jacksonville
requires
that
they
have
to
have
a
staffed
toll-free
customer
service
line
to
provide
support,
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week.
Yeah,
I
think,
oh
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I
really
liked
was
coral
gables,
I
believe,
had
in
their
ordinance
equitable
access,
which
I
thought
was
was
really
good
as
well.
K
So
I
just
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
put
my
my
thoughts
on
the
things.
That
would
be
that
I
think
that
I
would
like
to
see
us
incorporate
from
from
these
other
ordinances.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So.
C
K
C
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
share
the
screen
and
show
you
some
of
the
highlights,
because
some
of
the
highlights
that
were
actually
summarized
aren't,
as
obviously
as
comprehensive
as
the
ordinances
themselves,
so
with
respect
to
your
comment
on
the
equity,
equitable
access
that's
available,
almost
literally
through
every
single
ordinance.
Can
you
all
see
my
screen
at
this
point?.
K
C
C
C
I
think
that's
one
of
the
better
ones
and
I
think,
an
ideal
ordinance
if
we
were
just
focusing
in
on
utilizing
florida
programs
as
our
models
a
hybrid
between
gainesville
and
miami
might
be
the
one
that
I
would
you
know,
sort
of
advocate
most
and
one
more
thing
before
I
go
away
from
this
miami's
program
is
fairly
active
and
you
know
here's
where
there's
a
potential
for
the
city
to
pass
on
its
cost
to
build
on
build
out
this
infrastructure
on
vendors,
so
in
miami
it's.
C
This
program
is
only
operational
in
one
district
district
2.
that
district
is
9.6
square
miles.
There
are
10
vendors,
the
10
vendors,
each
pay
50
dollars
a
year
for
their
license
to
operate,
and,
according
to
the
attorney,
they
are
very
aggressive
in
fighting
any
regulation
that
suspends
their
their
permit
or
their
ability
to
operate
their
businesses.
So
you've
got
10
vendors,
paying
50
000,
to
sort
of
bring
business
to
a
9.6
square
mile
area.
C
So
and
that's
on,
that's
that's
the
license
fee.
Then
each
of
those
vendors
pay
the
city,
one
dollar
per
device
per
day
and
that's
built
by
the
city
on
a
monthly
basis,
they're
utilizing
those
monies
right
now
they
say
to
build
out
their
infrastructure.
So
to
the
extent
their
roadways
have
space
for
a
bike
lane.
The
bike
lanes
are
being
built,
any
kind
of
signs
or
things
of
that
nature
that
are
necessary
to
help
keep
users
on
in
areas
where
they
should
be
in
away
from
areas
they
should
not
be.
C
C
So
again,
I'm
just.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
before
we
move
too
far
away,
but
all
of
these
I've
tried,
as
best
as
I
could
to
just
vary
some
of
the
factors
so
that
you
can
see
how
much
control
you
can
have
over
the
process
with
a
a
better
and
a
more
comprehensive
ordinance,
and
I
think
it
starts
there
and
and
if
you
decide
to
use
to
utilize
a
pilot
program
which
all
of
these
programs
still
call
themselves
pilot
programs
except
for
gainesville
as
a
pilot
year.
C
You've
got
the
flexibility
to
keep
changing
your
regulation
based
on
you
know,
information
on
the
ground,
but
gainesville
said
they
never
used
a
pilot
program.
They
did
their
research
and
once
there
was
a
decision
to
move
forward,
they
moved
forward
with
a
permanent
program
and
they
think
it's
a
very
good
one.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
sandy.
I
I
really
appreciate
the
the
added
comments
and
your
your
thoughts
as
well
about
the
hybrid
between
miami
and
gainesville,
as
well
as
what
miami
has
been
doing
and
with
the
fees
and
and
the
licensing,
and
all
that.
I
think
that's
really
really
good
information
for
us
to
have,
and
I
definitely
support
a
pilot
program
so
that
we
can.
K
We
can
revise
this
as
needed
and
you
know
try
to
improve
upon
it
as
we
go
along
so
again.
Thank
you
so
much
this
is.
This
is
really
great
information.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah,
so
a
few
things
come
to
mind
here
for
me
first
off,
thank
you
sami.
That's
a
good,
comprehensive
work
there
that
you've
provided
one
we
kind
of
got
to
look
behind
the
curtain
with
jacksonville,
since
we
put
a
moratorium
in
place
and
what
I
see
from
jacksonville
is
when
I
go
down
there,
I
see
a
lot
of
scooters
that
are
laying
around
that.
Probably
shouldn't
be
in
the
locations
that
they
are
in
the
right
of
way
and
what
have
you
and
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
that?
D
That's
not
to
say
it
can't
be
correct,
or
we
can't
address
that.
You
know
ahead
of
time
looking
at
gainesville,
so
I've
seen
jacksonville
and
gainesville
I've
seen
those
firsthand
gainesville
seems
to
be
a
whole
different
animal
if
you
will
or
bird
of
a
different
feather,
because
that's
a
college
town
and
they
have
a
lot
of
parking
stations
there
and
they
seem
to
use
those
aggressively
and
you
don't
see.
D
Of
the
the
loose
scooters
just
laying
here
and
there
and
everywhere-
and
I
think
the
college
students
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
more
responsible
with
their
with
their
scooters
because
they
got
a
destination
they
got
to
get
to
on
time,
and
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
mode
of
transportation
for
them.
That
being
said,
I
I'm
I'm
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
move
forward.
I
think
that
if
we
do
move
forward,
we
should
have
a
pilot
program
in
place.
D
I
think
it
was
easier
for
gainesville
not
to
have
one,
but
I
would
like
to
see
a
pilot
program
place
just
in
case
we
run
into
some
issues
number
one
number,
two.
Obviously
an
ordinance
would
come
before
us,
but
I'd
like
to
have
some
time
to
review
an
ordinance
and
what
that
looked
like
and
how
it
was
written.
D
The
idea
of
of
pirating
from
all
of
these
cities
to
come
up
with
the
perfect
ordinance
is
a
great
great
idea.
That
way
we
can.
You
know
we
can
address
most
the
issues
that
are
that
will
be
coming
before
us,
the
in
indemnification
for
vendors.
I
think
that's
a
huge
thing
for
me.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
responsibility
is
falling
on
on
these
vendors.
As
to
you
know,
are
these:
are
these
scooters
laying
around?
Are
they
going
outside
the
geo
fence?
D
All
the
are
they
riding
in
the
roadway,
all
the
things
that
come
all
the
legalities
that
come
with
it?
So
we
need
to
shift
you
know
most
of
that
responsibility
and
liability
over
to
them
and
not
to
the
city.
So
that's
one
a
big
thing
for
me
up
front,
but
of
course
I
come
from
a
law
enforcement
background.
So
that's
going
to
ride
heavily
with
me.
H
Well,
a
little
torn
because
I
actually
like
writing
these
and-
and
I
will
occasionally
and
I've
done
it
in
other
countries.
You
know,
but
I
just
have
a
really
really
hard
time
with
this
for
a
couple
reasons.
H
First
of
all,
no
matter
the
indemnification,
the
city's
gonna
get
sued
if
there's
any
sidewalks
or
if
there's
obstacles
in
the
road
that
are
out
of
specification,
city's
gonna
get
sued
and
our
prior
to
sandy
being
on
my
understanding
is
that
it
was
starting
to
pile
up
and
it
was
gonna
take
a
lot
of
time
of
our
city
attorney
and
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
other
stuff
going
on.
That's
more
important.
H
The
the
cities
that
we
that
we've
looked
at
all
seem
to
be
a
lot
larger
and
the
way
I've
always
kind
of
looked
at
it
in
jacks
beach
is
that
the
geo-fencing
area
is
small.
So
you
end
up
it's
it's
a
source
of
entertainment.
It
is
not
a
trans,
necessary
transportation
item
for
because,
usually
what
it's
described,
as
is
la
as
last
mile
travel
to
get
you
to
where
to
get
you
to
where
you're
going.
H
H
Council
member
golding
brought
up
equity,
which
I
think
is
really
I
I
don't
understand
how
you
expect
to
have
equitable
access
in
a
geo-gridded
area
that
doesn't
serve
under
lower
economic
areas.
H
I
I
don't,
I
don't
understand
the
what
a
equitable
consideration
for
this
program
would
be
with
us,
but
you
know
I
just
don't
think
it.
I
just
don't
think
the
program
is
a
good
idea.
We
want
to
try
a
private
project.
That's
fine.
I've
had
a
very
near
interaction
with
somebody
that
I
feel
like
I
could
have
killed
them
in
downtown
jacksonville.
H
Somebody
riding
it
on
a
sidewalk
going
the
wrong
direction
and
you
know
crossing
a
at
a
red
light
with
two
people
on
it,
and
it
is
if
that,
if
that,
if
they
had
hit
me,
it
would
have
impacted
me
emotionally
for
a
very
long
time
and
I
just
don't
see
the
need
for
it,
because
it's
not
a
we're
at
the
size
we're
at
we're,
not
in
a
last
mode
need
of
last
mode
of
transportation.
H
Everything
that
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
be
utilizing
it
for
to
get
to.
Businesses
is
very
walkable
within
a
couple
blocks
and-
and
you
know
still
we're
in
a
situation
where
people
come
out
here
to
consume
alcohol
and
we're
going
to
give
them
another
item
to
potentially
harm
themselves
and
harm
others.
I
I
could
see
or
say
I
was
doing
a
program
for
a
year
test
it
out
when
it
comes
to
parking
these
devices.
I
think
it
should
be
a
community
effort.
Obviously
we
get
a
lot
of
people
visiting
jacksonville
beach
from
other
parts
of
the
state
and
the
country
that
want
to
use
this,
and
I
think
they
should
be
educated.
You
know
whenever
they
rent
these
devices
and
they
worked
part
where
not
to
park.
You
know
if
you're
going
to,
let's
say
sneakers
and
the
managers
there's
like
hey.
I
This
is
not
a
parking
area
for
these
devices.
You
have
to
put
it
in
this
area.
You
know,
I
think
that
would
kind
of
help
the
issue,
but
this
is
a
very
well
put
together
document
here,
cindy
just
like
chad.
I
enjoy
reading
this
so
and
ornance
that
will
benefit
jack
speech
would
definitely
be
a
plus,
and
I
would
love
to
see
it
when
it's
done
and
see
if
we
could
take
it
from
there
all
right.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
I
agree
with
corey.
I
don't
see
the
need
for
these
in
our
dick
how
we
discussed
it
before
was
just
in
that
downtown
area,
and
then
there
was
the
question.
Well,
what
about
the
other
side
of
thirds
you're
only
taking
care
of
one
side
of
third
and
not
the
other,
and
the
businesses
on
the
other
side
would
be
losing
out.
I'm
not
opposed
to.
F
Looking
deeper
into
what
a
good
ordinance
for
us
would
be
the
hybrid
between
gainesville
and
miami,
or
something
like
that,
because
there
are
some
benefits
I
liked.
I
liked
hearing
what
miami
was
doing
and
how
they're
able
to
use
that
money
for
public
infrastructure,
specifically
bike
paths,
because
we
happen
to
want
to
put
a
bike
path,
a
lot
of
bike
paths.
It
would
be
a
nice
little
source
of
revenue
for
that,
but
at
what
expense?
F
And
so
we'd
have
to
balance
that
out.
You
noted
in
your
interviews
or
your
conversations
with
these
different
cities
that
they
were
initially
concerned
with
risk
levels,
but
then
over
time
they
realized
that
their
the
level
of
risk
didn't
go
up
and
things
kind
of
washed
out.
F
That
said,
sorry
chet,
I'm
not
a
fan
of
these
devices,
but
they're
not-
and
this
is
only
for
the
commercial
rental
of
these
devices-
it's
not
for
checks
use
of
the
devices.
So
we
need
to
really
balance
out
the
pros
and
cons
of
how
we
would
design
it.
F
What
the
benefits
would
be
for
the
city
because,
as
I
noted
earlier
on
and
corey
noted
this
as
well,
these
are
main
what
they're
they're
good
for
is
that
last
mile,
what
we
have
here
would
be
entertainment,
scooting
around
without
a
beer
in
hand,
of
course,
because
we
do
have
an
ordinance
against
that,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
there'd
be
some
red
solo
cups
scooping
around
on
these
as
well.
F
So
if
we
do
decide
to
move
forward,
definitely
a
pilot
program,
I
like
that
hybrid
approach,
every
all
the
suggestions
that
everybody
else
has
mentioned.
I
agree
with
all
of
those.
I
would
hate
to
see
you
put
in
a
lot
of
work
for
something
that
we're
like
yeah.
We
still
don't
know
if
we
really
want
this
or
not
so
with
that.
F
C
So
if
the
response
is,
let's
try
to
see
if
a
pilot
program
is
possible,
let's
take
a
look
first
at
what
is
the
best
ordinance
you
think
we
can
start
with,
because
we
like
something
in
play
by
may
or
whatever
the
date
is,
then.
Obviously
I
use
your
deadline,
rejig
my
schedule,
you
know,
as
as
with
this
assignment,
I
didn't
have
a
specific
number
of
programs
to
bring
back
as
options
so
required.
C
Looking
at
a
lot
of
things
and
sort
of
utilizing,
my
own
judgment,
the
criteria
that
I
share
with
you
as
the
basis
for
making
a
selection,
but
certainly
if
you
said
three
I
might
have
come
back
sooner
than
you
know
right
now,
so
I'd
like
to
be
guided
by
that
if
possible,
if
not,
it's
easy
enough
for
me
to
put
together
a
a
starting
out
ordinance.
So
I've
noted
all
the
things
that
I
like
about
the
programs
that
I've
shared
with
you
in
this
memo.
C
C
F
Okay,
so
I
I
like
how
you
said
you
you
pointed
out
that
you
would
have
to
re
re-jig
your
schedule
because
we
happen
to
have
you
doing
some
other
things
right
now,
not
just
micro
mobility.
F
F
So
I
would
prefer
not
moving
forward
at
this
time,
possibly
revisiting
in
another
year,
so
continuing
with
the
moratorium
like
they're,
doing
up
in
neptune
beach
for
another
year
we'll,
and
we
can
just
keep
doing
that
until
we
determine
if
this
is
something
that
would
really
benefit
our
city.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah,
so
I'm
gonna
violate
one
of
my
own
rules
as
a
as
a
council
member
one
of
my
pet
peeves
is
kicking
the
can
down
the
road.
However,
I've
been
attending
the
urban
trail
plan
meetings
and
I
almost
feel
like
we
should
wait
till
the
urban
trail
master
plan
is
in
place
before
we
implement
a
micro
mobility
policy,
so
we
can
see
what
that
urban
trail
looks
like
I
I
know.
D
That's
that's
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
as
far
as
micro
mobility
is
concerned,
but
I
think
in
the
bigger
picture
the
higher
priority
lies
with
our
urban
trail
master
plan
than
it
does
with
micro
mobility
and
again
not
to
beat
the
dead
horse,
but
I
think
gainesville
has
a
whole
different
purpose
and
looking
behind
the
curtain
of
jacksonville,
that
I
didn't
like
what
I
see
what
I
saw
downtown
or
what
I
see
downtown.
D
So
we
would
have
to
address
those
issues
as
well,
but
I
I
do
want
to
see
what
an
ordinance
looks
like,
but
I
would
wouldn't
make
it
a
rush.
You
know,
even
if
it
came
to
us
in
april
or
may
I'd
be
fine
with
that.
H
Yeah
one
other
thing:
I
have
a
place
downtown
as
well
and
when
they
go
out
of
the
grid
they
just
die,
and
so
there's
a
there's,
a
certain
spot
where
I
place
downtown
I'll,
come
out
some
mornings
and
there's
like
15
of
them
just
laying
there
and
you
can't
pick
them
up
and
go
anywhere
else.
Somebody's
got
to
either
like
carry
them
or
drive
or
or
push
them
back
into
the
grid.
But
I
agree
with
councilmember
dumont.
H
I
don't
know
why
we're
even
I
don't
know
how
this
became
a
priority
to
this
council,
but
it
is
not
a
priority
to
me
and
I
I
think
we
need
to.
I
think
we
need
to
push
it
down
and
wait
a
year
or
two
until
you
know
it
once
we
get
our
downtown
going.
H
If
there's
a
real
opportunity
for
more
of
a
problem
with
parking
or
or
something
like
that,
the
where
it
would
really
become
useful
and
somehow
not
just
an
entertainment
item,
then
I
you
know,
I
don't
see
any
reason
going
forward
at
this
time.
K
Thank
you.
I
I
have
to
say
that
I
I
agree
with
mr
jansen
that
that
we
really
do
need
to
get
our
urban
trail
master
plan
going
and
that
that
should
take
a
priority,
because
I
think
that
I
mean
not
that
not
that
these
things
couldn't
be
done
in
parallel.
But
I
really
think
that.
K
I
do
like
all
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
all
the
information
that
has
been
gathered
and
I
think
that
that
it's
a
lot
of
great
information
for
developing
an
ordinance,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
I'm
not
convinced
that
we
have
to
do
an
ordinance
right
right
now
and,
like
mr
jansen
said
I
do
I,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
focusing
on
the
urban
trail
master
plan
and
I
think
that
that's
going
to
benefit
the
whole
city,
whereas
this
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
right
now
with
the
micro
micro
mobility
devices.
K
We
were
just
talking
about.
You
know
focusing
on
the
downtown
area.
So
I
have
some
of
the
same
concerns
that
ms
dumont
and
mr
nichols
has,
as
as
far
as
you
know,
managing
the
safety
of
these
of
these
devices
in
our
community
and
making
sure
that
that
they're
not
just
strong
all
over
the
place,
because
I
have
seen
that
in
other
cities
as
well.
So
again,
I'm
I
I
will
just
say
that
I
I'm
not.
I
don't.
K
I
You
have
have
conflicting,
so
I
agree
with
everyone,
and
I
understand
where
everyone's
coming
from.
I
do
agree
that
I
don't
we've
had
this
moratorium
for
a
year
now,
maybe
a
little
bit
over
a
year.
I
just
don't
want
to
put
in
the
back
burner.
Obviously
we
have
other
priorities.
I
I
just
I
know
we
should.
I
would
love
to.
I
would
love
to
see
an
ordinance
by
april,
at
least
to
give
the
people
that
are
interested
in
having
these
device
here,
something
to
look
to
and
say
like
okay,
we
could
work
this
out.
I
think
this
could
work
parallel
with
the
urban
trail
master
plan.
I
I
A
E
Well,
thank
you,
councilmember
maize.
I
was
echoing
some
similar
thoughts.
I
I
just
we
do
have
a
moratorium,
that's
going
to
expire
april
21st.
I
think
it
was
in
the
document,
and
I
know
we
have
other
things
going
on,
but
you
know
considering
that
we
have.
E
Our
city
attorney
said
that
there's
a
lot
of
documents
that
she
could
pull
from
and
that's
what
she
would
do.
I
think
that
she
could
probably
pull
something
together.
Pretty
quick,
I
mean
she
mentioned
having
it
together
in
a
week.
That's
she's,
there's
obviously
a
good
starting
point,
so
I
think
we
could
have
something,
at
least
by
the
time
the
moratorium
comes
up.
I
know
it's
not
a
priority
for
a
lot
of
us
and
it's.
I
just
think
that
you
know
we
keep
kicking
it.
E
If
we
keep
kicking
it
eventually,
we're
just
gonna
have
a
moratorium
that
just
continues
and
continues
and
continues,
and
I
think
we're
a
pretty
actionable
group.
So
I'd
like
to
see
us
go
one
way
or
the
other,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
you
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
this
being
just
in
the
downtown,
but
I
you
know
santa
monica
is
eight
square
miles.
It
is
a
lot
denser
population
and
you
know
they
they've
got
a
city
wide.
E
I
I
think
that
you
know,
as
the
summer
comes
and
summers
continue
to
come,
the
beaches
I
mean,
even
in
the
winter
time
the
beach
has
gotten
more
popular
and
that
if
I
could
go
down
to
the
little
plaza,
that's
three
blocks
from
me.
If
I
could
walk
down
there,
hop
on
a
scooter,
zip
downtown
and
then
bring
it
back
to
that
location,
that's
a
commercial
center
near
a
residential
area
and
part
of
our
urban
trail
network.
E
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
for
the
residents
in
the
long
run,
to
have
more
options
than
just
you
know:
personal
bikes,
personal
scooters,
but
to
have
a
another.
We
call
it
a
lot
of
times
it
gets
referred
to
as
a
last
santa
monica
is
using
them
citywide
in
eight
square
miles.
Very
similar
sizing
there's
another
one.
That's
miami
9.6
square
miles,
that's
that's
it
but
think.
Council
members.
I
had
a
lot
of
your
same
sentiments
and
you
expressed
them
very
eloquently
better
than
I
think
I
could
so
appreciate
that.
F
Thank
you.
I
still
think
that
I
don't
see
this
as
kicking
the
can
down
the
road.
I
see
it
as
waiting
for
the
time
for
the
right
time
to
introduce
this
into
the
city.
If
there
is
that
right
time,
so
I
don't
see
it
as
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
whatsoever.
F
As
for
an
our
proposal
by
the
end
of
the
moratorium
it
from
the
conversation
tonight,
that
would
also
include
an
rfp
and
that
we
would
butt
up.
We
would
run
out
of
time
for
the
rfp
by
then
and
then
to
link
it
back
to
the
urban
trail.
F
We
don't
know
what
the
policy
is
yet
for
the
use
of
the
urban
trail
in
some
of
these
or
and
when
I
read
here,
it
sounds
like
the
motorized
devices
aren't
allowed
on
the
urban
trails.
So
that's
another
aspect
that
we
need
to
look
at.
I
just
think
that
this
is
really,
I
don't
want
to
say,
kicking
the
can
down
the
road.
I
I
really
think
that
if
we
are
pausing
on
this,
like
our
neighbors
to
the
north,
not
not
completely
banning
it
like
atlantic
beach,
but
putting
another
pause
on
it.
F
I
A
question
for
our
city
attorney
and
possibly
you
might
so
looking
at
miami.
Obviously
everything
is
expensive
in
miami
just
to
even
breathe
the
fresh
air.
I'm
surprised
I
haven't
started
charging
for
that,
but
fifty
thousand
dollars.
I
just
can't
see
that
and
I
wouldn't
stand
behind
it
if
that
was
to
come
to
to
play,
but
looking
into
the
microability
devices.
I
I
It's
more
of
an
entertainment,
it's
not
like
they're
using
it
to
go
to
to
commute
to
work.
I
know
santa
monica.
I
was
there
in
august
and
I
saw
some
people
using
it.
They
had
there's
a
high-rise
condo
and
they
had
these
devices
right
outside
and
I
was
talking
to
someone
at
the
bar
and
then
like
oh
yeah,
I
don't
have
a
car
anymore.
I
C
Well,
I
I
I
guess
we
would
have
to
have
something
to
actually
compare
it
with.
So
I
think
there's
been
some
speculation.
That
is
just
for
fun,
but
I
you
know
you
might
be
looking
backwards
in
time
at
a
time
when
you
actually
had
maybe
a
program
of
sorts
or
business
of
sorts,
providing
that
particular
service.
C
Since
there
isn't
there,
since
there
isn't
anything
right
now,
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
we're
kind
of
speculating
as
to
it
being
only
utilized
for
fun
bases.
But
the
underlying
question
is
whether
or
not
that
service
is
something
that's
subject
to
taxation
by
the
local
government,
and
I
will
check
that
out.
You
know
there.
There
were
certain.
C
There
were
certain
resource
references
that
were
made
to
how
this
function
could
be
monetized
by
the
locality.
Taxate
taxing
it
or
taxation
was
not
one
of
those
things
that
was
discussed.
So
I
don't
know
if
the
state
has
some
kind
of
preemption
relative
to
taxing
this.
This
this
particular
service
I'd,
have
to
research
and
just
report
back
to
you
on
that,
sir.
I
And
I
know
in
downton
la
when
I
was
staying
there
last
year.
I
rented
one
of
these
with
my
girlfriend
and
we
were
asking
the
police
officer
that
was
outside
the
hotel
if
we
could
use
this
on
the
sidewalk
or
on
the
bike
lane
and
he
said
pretty
much
the
bike
lane
and
if
the
sidewalk
is
wide
enough
go
have
at
it
but
yeah.
I
just,
I
think.
C
He's
underneath
yeah
coral
gables
that
you're
permitted
to
use
sidewalks
unless
the
sidewalk
has
a
sign
saying
you
can't
use
it
on
this
particular
sidewalk
and
there
are
a
number
of
other
localities
where
the
use
is
permitted
on
sidewalks.
But
it's
you
know.
The
user
then
has
to
employ
a
level
of
discretion
and
observation
to
determine
whether
or
not
that's
safe
in
that
particular
instance.
So
you
can
use
it,
provided
you
make
certain.
You
know
you
yield
to
pedestrians.
C
You
make
an
audible
noise
when
you
want
to
pass
and
you
can
use
it
if
a
certain
amount
of
distance
is
still
made
available
for
people
who
have
mobility
issues
to
get
by
and
to
pass
safely
so
that
it
goes
by
locality
in
florida,
and
I
also
outside
of
the
the
state
as
well.
But
there
is
not
a
general
prohibition
to
using
these
on
sidewalks.
E
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
real
quick,
because
when
I
say
I
would
like
to
see
a
document,
it
would
be
in
an
informal
setting,
not
a
voting
setting
so
that
we
wouldn't
need
it
excuse
me
would
not
need
an
rfp
or
anything
by
april.
I.
I
think
that
extending
the
moratorium
is
going
to
have
to
happen
anyway,
based
on
where
we're
at
right
now,
but
I
I
don't
feel
like
we
can
sit
on
an
ordinance
for
a
year
before
we
have
to
vote
on
it.
We
don't
have
to.
E
E
That's
all
I
was
mean
by
I'd
like
I
think
we
could
see
an
ordinance
in
the
next
couple
months
and
not
need
an
rfp
not
need
the
nitty
gritty,
but
at
least
this
is
what
it
would
look
like
in
jack's
beach
and
think
about
it
and
go
from
there.
That's
what
I
that's.
What
I
meant
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
C
No,
I
I
certainly
hear
conflicting
messages,
so
if
there
is
a
consensus
that
I
move
forward,
bring
a
draft
ordinance
back
as
soon
as
practicable.
C
A
And
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
offer
up
a
suggestion
only
because
you
know
I
kind
of
keep
notes
of
what
everybody's
saying
here.
A
How
do
you
all
feel
about
maybe
having
sandy
do
a
12-month
extension
to
the
moratorium,
but
with
an
understanding
that
if
we
develop
an
ordinance
and
a
pilot
program
before
that
12-month
expires,
obviously
the
rest
will
just
fall
off.
A
So
she
can
keep
on
pace
with
drafting
something
and
having
you
take
a
look
at
it
at
an
upcoming
briefing,
see
if
it
meets
your
intention
to
move
forward
and
go
from
there,
because
I
think,
like
many
of
you
said,
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
whatever's
drafted
first
before
moving
forward
and
then
even
if
there
is
something
you
like
there
would
possibly
be
an
rfp
process
which
is
going
to
be
30
days
out
on
the
street
evaluation,
bring
forth
to
council
for
adoption
etc
or
for
approval.
A
So
you're
talking
a
multiple
month
process
to
go
through
getting
anything
involved,
getting
anything
in
paper.
So
the
april
time
frame
in
terms
of
the
current
expiration
of
the
moratorium
we're
going
to
blow
through
that
pretty
quick.
A
I
H
D
I'm
good
with
the
12
month
as
well,
because
we
could
always
cut
that
short
if
it
allows
for
it,
and
it
gives
us
more
time
to
study
our
urban
trail
master
plan
12
month.
For
me,.
K
A
Thank
you,
chad,
and
now
I'll
now
re-ask
our
attorney
sandy.
You
got
the
direction
you're
looking
for.
A
Awesome:
okay,
that
wraps
up
all
of
our
scheduled
items.
I
do
have
a
couple
other
miscellaneous
items
that
I
want
to
go
over
with
the
council.
The
first
three
are
a
little
bit
more
informational
and
then
there's
one.
I
need
a
little
bit
of
direction
from
yon.
A
I'd
still
like
to
speak
to
each
of
you,
one
on
one
to
get
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
a
few
items
that
we
kind
of
have
outstanding
in
the
side.
So
with
that
being
said,
please
be
on
the
lookout
for
an
email
or
a
call
from
chris
wright
to
set
up
some
time,
probably
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
30
minutes,
maybe
as
much
as
60
for
us
to
converse
over
the
next
several
days
to
a
week
or
so.
A
I
was
contacted
by
the
office
of
general
counsel,
the
other
day
they
indicated
that
they
are
in
the
process
of
preparing
an
ordinance
to
put
restrictions
on
virtual
gaming
facilities,
they're
trying
to
find
out
if
the
cities,
the
beach
communities
and
baldwin
want
to
be
included
in
that
ordinance
or
not.
A
The
conversation
that
I
had
with
them
is
that
they,
my
suggestion,
was
that
they
prepared
the
ordinance
as
an
opt-out,
since
we
have
not
seen
it
yet,
which
would
mean
that
they
could
prepare
the
ordinance
to
include
not
only
all
of
duvall
but
the
four
incorporated
municipalities,
and
that,
once
we
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
and
evaluate
it.
If
we
did
not
want
to
be
subject
to
that
ordinance,
we
could
always
pass
an
appropriate
ordinance
to
opt
out
of
that
particular
condition.
A
So
they're
still
in
the
process
of
developing
that
ordinance,
I've
not
seen
it
yet,
but
as
we
get
a
little
bit
more
information,
I
will
share
that
with
you.
Accordingly.
The
next
is
the
same
attorney.
Who's
working
on
the
virtual
gaming
ordinance
also
recently
had
the
city
of
jacksonville
adopt
a
pace
program,
and
if
any
of
you
are
familiar
with
pace
programs,
the
one
that
jacksonville
adopted
is
applicable
to
commercial
and
industrial
businesses
where
they
have
the
opportunity
to
seek
third
party
financing
to
pay
for
energy
efficiency
improvements
of
their
buildings.
A
A
My
strong
suggestion
is
that
we
wait
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
12
months
to
see
how
that
program
is
working
for
the
city
of
jacksonville
before
we
go
ahead
and
opt
in
and
see
what
the
pros
and
cons
are
of
it
and
whether
or
not
they've
had
any
hiccups
with
their
particular
program.
It's
basically
untested
with
them
at
this
point
in
time.
A
The
last
thing
that
I
have
for
you
is
with
regards
to
the
pier
ashley
jason
and
I
participated
in
a
conference
call
with
daryl
joseph
in
charge
of
their
parks
and
recreation
at
jacksonville.
A
A
A
couple
of
things
jumped
out
to
us
that
we
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
knowledgeable
of
what
some
of
the
issues
are
before
we
move
forward
with
either
of
those
two
options.
Ashley
and
jason
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
about
the
fiscal
impacts
and
the
personnel
impacts
of
those
those
two
particular
options.
A
If
we
were
to
take
over
the
rfp
and
manage
the
contract,
including
the
enforcement
of
that
contract,
we're
estimating
that
that
would
be
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
about
500..
I'm
sorry
500
man
hours
per
year
for
going
over
and
actively
managing
an
rfp
contract.
A
The
if
we
did
it
in
house
with
our
own
staff,
we're
looking
at
probably
a
minimum
of
5
200
labor
hours,
which
means
we
would
have
to
be
hiring
new
employees
into
parks
and
recreation.
For
that,
the
the
big
thing
that
we
want
to
make
sure
you're,
aware
of,
is
that
the
city
of
jacksonville
indicated
in
their
previous
concession
contracts
or
previous
contracts
for
operation
of
the
pier
there
was
a
financial
rent
or
transfer,
so
to
speak
that
the
vendor
had
to
pay
to
the
city
of
jacksonville.
A
So
if
we
had
an
rfp
that
we
did
to
a
vendor,
we
could
either
charge
rent
and
pass
that
rent
over
to
them.
If
the
rents
weren't
enough,
we
would
have
to
make
up
the
difference,
but
it
was
very
clear.
The
city
of
jacksonville
was
expecting
66
000
a
year
as
a
minimum
to
make
this
financially
feasible
for
them.
A
A
H
All
right
I'll
go.
I
would
like
a
little
bit
of
a
kind
of
business
plan
to
try
to
figure
out
what
we
would
generate
monthly
or
the
just
from
usage
with
the
potential
usage
and
of
the
peers
going
to
be
and
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
do
an
rfp
that
we
can
offset
that
66
000
a
year
pretty
easily,
I
mean
that's:
what's
that
5500
a
month,
I'm
doing
it
off
the
top
of
my
head
correct.
H
So
you
know
I
just
need
to
understand
if
that's
a
reasonable
quotation
of
rent
to
be
charged
and
if
that
was
charged
previously.
A
We
we
did
ask
mr
joseph
to
send
us
a
copy
of
the
last
agreement
that
they
had
in
place
executed,
so
that
we
could
see
what
the
what
the
rent
was
being
charged
or
what
the
payment
was
being
made
by
the
vendor
that
was
in
place.
We
do
not
have
that
document
yet.
H
But
even
at
that
amount
I'm
not
even
if
we
have
to
supplement
it
a
little
bit.
I
just
think
the
peer
was
run
so
poorly
before
that
the
people
that
utilize
it
and
to
really
make
an
attraction
for
jacksonville
beach
and
to
make
sure
it's
run
professionally
and.
H
In
a
positive
light,
I
think
we
need
to
I.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
subsidizing,
some
of
that,
if
necessary,
but
I'm
not
sure
I
just
need
to
know
more
information,
but
I
I
just
it.
I
know
it's
additional
work
on
us,
but
I
think
it's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
residents
in
our
and
our
visitors
for
jacksonville
beach
to
be
in
management
of
it.
Somehow.
A
And
I
ashley
did
just
notify
me
that
we
did
get
the
document
today
and
that
the
rent
that
was
charged
to
the
vendor
was
66
000
per
year.
So
that
was
a
rent
number
and
that's
what
they
would
be.
Looking
for,
comparable
coming
back
through
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
to
go
to
jacksonville.
H
So
if
we
can
offset
that
rent-
and
I
mean
it's
been-
it's
been
six
years-
you
would
think
that,
and
with
everything
that's
going
on,
you
would
think
that
that
we
should
be
able
to
get
more
from
them
to
offset
the
500
additional
hours
for
somebody
to
oversee
that
rfp
process.
So
you
know
I
I
think
I
would
look
in
the
neighborhood
of
you
know:
80
to
100
000
in
rent
annually
to
offset
our
costs.
D
Jamson
I'm
with
corey
on
the
66
000
a
year
for
a
brand
new
period.
I
don't
want
to
sound
petty
or
tried
about
it,
but
66
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
a
brand
new,
pier
that
had
to
be
rebuilt
because
they
failed
to
meet
their
structural
guarantees
on
the
last
year.
D
Sounds
a
little
steep
to
me
again.
I
don't
I'm
with
corey,
I
don't
mind
supplementing
it
somewhat,
but
I'd
want
to
see
a
better
business
plan.
I
think
a
blanket
66
000.
could
they
show
us
where
they
spent
66
000
on
the
last
pier
every
year?
I
I
challenge
that
one
all
day,
every
day
yeah.
So
I
have
some
heartburn
with
that,
but
but
I
think
there's
there's
an
answer
to
it
too.
I'd
like
to
see
a
better
business
plan
than
what
what
they're
throwing
at
us.
F
Thank
you,
since
it's
their
asset,
I
guess
they
get
to
charge
what
they
want
for
it.
Yes,
we
know
they
didn't
really
use
that
money
to
they
got
the
money.
It
doesn't
really
matter
where
it
went,
but
they
would
be
charging
us
that
amount
of
money
as
well.
So
for
me,
that's
almost
a
moot
point:
the
business
plan.
I
would
definitely
need
to
see
how
many
people
go
on
the
pier.
What
the
like,
what
are
the
requirements
that
they're
going
to
expect
the
about
500
man
hours
for
the
contract
oversight?
F
I
I
think
we
could
wrap
that
into
the
rfp
for
the
second,
offering
it's
the
third
option
having
city
employees
maintain
and
operate
the
peer,
and
I
take
it
by
that
you
mean
that
we
would
submit
an
rfp
to
jacksonville
or
they
just
give
it
to
us.
We
don't
have
to
compete
for
it.
A
They
would
just
give
it
to
us,
we
would
pay
them.
66,
000
and
our
staff
would
be
in
the
concession
stand
all
right.
I
don't
necessarily
recommend.
F
Well,
that
my
question,
then,
is
how
many
you
mentioned
the
staff,
but
how
much
would
that
increase
for
salaries
and
benefits
for
parks
and
rec?
And
we
don't
know
if
we'd
be
able
to
recoup
any
of
that
money,
because
we
don't
know
how
much
the
vendors
are
making
off
the
pier.
So
this
is,
we
definitely
want
service.
We
want
good
service
at
the
peers,
I'm
disappointed
that
they
want.
They
won't
budge
on
a
10-year
contract.
I'm
disappointed
that
they
they're.
F
They
don't
allow
us
just
oversight,
so
it
would
have
to
be
the
rfp
process.
F
A
A
They
were
also
not
thrilled
with
the
idea
of
necessarily
delaying
the
process
of
have
a
having
a
peer
concession
startup
at
the
same
time
that
the
pier
reopens
in
the
summer
july
august
time
frame,
they
didn't
necessarily
want
to
see
a
three
to
six
month
lag
in
terms
of
the
concessions
associated
with
it.
A
F
Well,
if
we're
not
going
with
the
option
with
our
city
employees
in
there,
I
don't
think
we
need
the
business
plan,
but
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
if
we
put
out
an
rfp.
F
But
yeah,
I
think
the
rfp
really
is
the
it's
the
best
option,
but
will
there
be
vendors
who
are
willing
to
pay
the
66
per
year
in
addition
to
what
we
the
cut
that
we'll
take
for
the
oversight
of
that
we'll
find
out?
I
guess.
H
Yeah
nichols
I
mean
if
the
person
was
paying
66
000
before
I.
I
think
we
would
raise
that
substantially
from
the
city
of
jacksonville's
perspective.
I
think
I
kind
of
I
understand
their
their
need
for
that
funding,
because
that
pays
for
the
insurance
for
the
pier
minor,
minor
corrections
and
then
also
like
every
structure
in
florida.
They
have
to
have
a
a
a
bridge
inspection
every
two
years,
so
there's
substantial
cost
incurred
there
and
I
think
that's
I
don't
think
they're
trying
to
make
money
off
us.
H
I
think
they're
just
trying
to
break
even
on
their
costs,
and
my
thought
is
that
that
cost
of
66
000
a
year
was
probably
something
that
they
came
up
with
15
years
ago.
So
we
may
be
getting
a
good
deal.
So
I
think
we
need
to
consider
what
and
I
wasn't
I
didn't
mean
a
business
plan.
I
meant
more
like
a
projection
of
revenue
based
off
of
potential
usage.
H
I
mean
just
something
you
know
not
not
too
terribly
detailed
to
say:
hey,
you
know
we're
probably
going
to
have
x
number
of
people
fishing
a
day
and
we
can
kind
of
figure
out
how
many
people
you
can
get
on
up
here.
I
just
want
some
ballpark
just
to
make
sure
that
number's
not
completely
out
of
out
of
line,
and
we
can.
H
Actually,
you
know
if
we
come
up
with
a
conservative
number
that
shows
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
get
150
000
in
revenue
or
200
000
in
revenue,
then
it'll
help
us
pinpoint
what
our,
what
our
expectation
from
the
the
vendor
would
be.
A
H
I
would
all
I
mean,
like
I
was
saying
before
I
I
think
pedestrians
should
be
able
to
walk
out
at
no
charge.
I
think
if
you're
gonna
fish,
you
should
you
should
you
could
you
could
pay,
but
you
know
I
I
I
think
it's
a
a
good
attraction
and
if
we
do
have
to
spend
something
on
it
to
make
it
a
a
great
experience
for
our
residents
and
the
local
english
community,
I
have
no
problem
with
with
spending
a
little
bit
there.
B
A
All
right,
I
I
think
I
got
the
direction
I
needed
on
that,
and
that
was
the
last
official
item
that
I
had
on
the
list
other
than
council
report
outs
on
any
on
any
of
the
projects
that
you're
all
individually
working
on
are
assigned
to.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
anything
they
want
to
report
out
counselor
stokes.
E
Push
the
wrong
button.
For
the
sake
of
time.
I
will
try
to
keep
this
at
some
brevity,
but
I
do
have
a
blue
zones
update
and
if
anyone
wants
further
information,
I
can
put
together
a
full
report,
but
it's
easier
to
just
communicate
the
updates.
So
some
good
news
is
coming.
Jacksonville
is
starting
the
blue
zones
project
in
april,
so
we're
we're
we're
there,
but
we're
not
there.
I
guess
is
the
way
I'm
gonna
put
it.
E
The
total
proposal
for
blue
zones
in
jacksonville
was
20.25
million
dollars,
currently
they're
at
14.25
million,
so
they're
about
six
million
dollars
short.
So
what
does
that
mean
for
blue
zones?
Jacksonville
couple
things.
So
if
you
all
remember
the
prior
presentation,
they
were
going
to
focus
on
three
areas
of
jacksonville.
They
were
going
to
focus
on
the
north
side,
the
west
side
and
then
the
beaches
communities.
E
E
The
second
thing
they
are
going
to
focus
on
is
countywide
duval
school
transformation,
so
we
will
see
some
impact
of
both
of
those.
Those
are
policy
initiatives
and
those
are
things
that
they'll
some
things
that
they'll
want
to
bring.
They
really
like
the
urban
trail
master
plan.
E
They
really
like
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we're
already
doing,
but
and
then
the
duval
schools
are
going
to
work
on
on
creating
a
healthier
next
generation,
more
education
on
alcohol,
tobacco
in
schools,
those
kind
of
things
so
and
then
they're
gonna
do
the
north
side.
Life
radius
they've
identified
that
as
the
number
one
need
for
blue
zones.
E
Where
does
that
leave
jack
speech
kind
of
a
ways
away?
Next,
if
they
right
now
by
mid-march
they're
reaching
out
to
who
hasn't
committed
and
asking
them
to
get
on
board,
saying
hey
guys
we're
almost
there,
we
need
six
million
bucks
to
do
everything.
You
know
throw
us
some
bones
next.
If
they
get
two
million
dollars,
they're
going
to
do
the
west
side,
west
side
will
take
two
million
dollars.
So
if
they
get
to
16.25
they're
gonna
go
to
the
west
side.
E
If
they
get
four
million
dollars,
they're
going
to
do
the
west
side
and
then
do
workforce,
let
me
tell
you
exactly
what
it
is:
workforce,
development,
innovation
pilot
and
that's
going
to
be
to
help
train
the
workforce
and
then
the
next
one
that
they
that's
a
million
dollars
and
then
the
next
thing
they
would
do
is
a
health
equity,
innovation
pilot.
That's
another
million
dollars!
E
Well
chet!
You
still
haven't
talked
about
the
beaches
uh-oh,
unfortunately
we're
last.
We
are
the
healthiest
most
financially
stable
of
the
areas
we're
the
best
quality
of
life.
Currently,
so
we
we
are
last,
so
we
are
that
last
two
million
dollars
the
three
beaches
are
two
million
dollars
total,
so
if
they
get
at
least
20.25
million
dollars
by
mid-march
we're
in,
if
not
we're
last
on
on
funding,
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
beaches
are
completely
out
of
the
blue
zones.
E
There's
you
know
further
discussions
that
will
be
happening
in
in
mid
march
to
early
april,
but
you
know
they're
they're,
thinking
that,
in
all
honesty,
with
my
conversations
with
blue
blue
zones
that
they
are
likely
to
get
to
that
16.25
million,
they
don't
think
they're
going
to
get
to
18.25,
oh
and
then
they
don't
think
they're
going
to
get
to
20.25,
so
melanie
pats
who's,
the
the
blue
zones
liaison
and
I
discussed
several
alternatives
to
funding.
E
You
know
we
don't
really
need
to
get
into
those
tonight,
but
you
know
some
things
that
I
suggested
were
to
try
to
get.
You
know,
citizen
support
on
funding.
I
feel
like
what
blue
zones
is
trying
to
do
fits
a
lot
with
the
beach's
lifestyle.
Maybe
I
mean
you
know
every
five
dollars
counts
and
you
know
two
million
bucks
is
a
long
way,
but
we
got
a
lot
of
people.
A
lot
of
businesses.
E
You
know
it
does
qualify.
City
of
jacksonville
is
a
big
contributor
they're
using
arpa
dollars.
It
does
qualify
for
financial
assistance
dollars.
You
know
city
jacksonville's,
throwing
in
some
funds.
Maybe
the
local
beaches
will
agree
to
thorough,
and
these
are
all
conversations
that
are
much
bigger
than
what
we're
having
tonight.
So
I'm
gonna
keep
that
super
brief,
but
anyway,
we'll
see
where
we
get
mid-march
we'll
know
by
april.
E
You
know
may
at
the
latest
where
we're
at
you
know
this
may
be
a
conversation
that
comes
up
at
a
later
briefing
but
yeah.
That's
that's
the
brief
proposal.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
I
can
try
to
answer
them.
I
have
some
information
in
front
of
me:
have
the
notes
from
the
call
I
did
go
to
the
atlantic
beach
mayor's
council
on
health
meeting
and
met
two
representatives
from
blue
zones.
E
The
corporate
blue
zones
and
they're
really
excited
about
the
jacksonville
project,
so
we
are
on
blue
zones,
radar
and
they're
excited
and
really
believe
that
jacksonville
will
be
a
great
program
based
on
the
three
areas
identified.
So
I
kept
it
seven
minutes,
I'm
pretty
impressed.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
listening.
A
Nobody
else
has
any
report
outs.
Any
thoughts
for
future
briefings
other
than
a
revisit
of
liquor.
Mobility
at
some
point,
councilor
nichols.
H
I
ran
into
this
laura
phillips
edge
comb
from
build
up
downtown
today,
and
we
got
a
discussion
about
the
current
bill.
That's
going
through.
That
would
allow
a
certain
area.
I
think
it's
kings
avenue
downtown
to
reduce
their
seating
capacity
for
srx
licenses
from
150
down
to
50,
and
I
think
there's
two
sections
in
florida
I
mean
in
jacksonville
they're
gonna.
H
Do
it
maybe
one
place
in
orlando
and
I
think
it's
potentially
something
that
could
be
good
for
jacksonville
beach,
so
we
can
have
more
opportunity
to
have
easier
for
for
small,
locally
owned
businesses
that
are
restaurants
to
be
able
to
come
into
our
area.
Once
we
start
getting.
H
Once
we
get
more
areas
done,
so
we
don't
have
to
have
such
large
restaurants,
and
I
always
want
you
know.
I
know
food
trucks
are
a
challenge
to
brick
and
mortar,
but
it
would
give
them
more
of
an
opportunity
to
step
from
a
food
truck
to
a
brick
and
mortar
restaurant,
and
you
know
I'd
love
to
see
some
locally
owned
businesses.
H
Restaurants
here
that
have
the
capacity
to
capability
to
not
just
serve
beer
and
wine,
but
also
liquor-
and
I
guess
my
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
just
have
her
come
to
virtually
to
one
of
our
future
briefings
and
give
y'all
a
just
five
minute
overview
of
of
that,
and
it
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
in
until
next
session.
H
So
I
think
that's
next
year,
but
it
is
something
that
has
passed
and
it
has
to
be
done
at
the
at
the
in
tallahassee
to
get
certain
areas
approved
and
for
the
downtown
business
district.
I
think
it's
something
we
should
consider,
so
I
just
want
to
check
and
see
if
you're
interested
in
having
her
or
the
person
that
leads,
build
up,
downtown,
come
and
just
give
us
a
brief
summary
of
what
they're
doing
with
kings
avenue
downtown.