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B
We
have
our
consulting
shepard
on
the
line,
who
will
walk
us
through
sections
60
through
66
of
the
charter,
following
that,
we
will
discuss
parking
lot
items
and,
following
that
we'll
see
if
there
are
any
additional
chartered
topics
that
the
council
wants
to
discuss.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
cliff.
C
All
right,
let
me
get
down
here
and
share
the
screen
charter
review.
That
looks
like
the
I
don't
know
why
that's
different
looks
like
that
screen
too.
Okay
share
that
should
work
right.
You
guys
see
it
now.
Yes,
okay,
let
me
move
it
where
I
can
see
it
in
front
of
me,
so
I
can
look
at
the
camera
and
the
amendments
at
the
same
time.
Okay,
so
this
is
maybe
the
shortest
meeting
of
all,
at
least
in
terms
of
what
we've
got
in
the
memo.
C
A
C
Okay,
someone's
got
some
sound
going
on
there,
but
anyway,
what
I
was
about
to
say
or
trying
to
say
is
that
this
may
be
the
shortest
record
meeting
for
at
least
the
stuff.
That's
in
the
memo,
both
sections
of
60
through
all
60
through
62.
There
were
no
recommended
council
changes
for
the
record.
Those
are
involved:
elimination
of
city
departments,
continuation
of
contracts,
titled
the
property.
So
has
anybody
got
any
comments
or
discussion
on
60,
I'm
not
seeing
hands
61.
C
We
recommend
deleting
all
of
this
because
it
is
automatic
that
changes
that
are
in
the
charter
that
don't
change
things
that
are
existing
will
still
continue
to
stay
there
and
that's
why,
as
mark
can
attest
when
I
sent
him
today
a
draft
of
the
amendments
that
we've
done
so
far,
you
see
underline
for
new
language
strikethrough
for
language,
that's
being
taken
out
everything,
that's
left
alone,
meaning
neither
stricken
out
or
underlined,
is
the
old
and
it
will
continue
in
existence.
C
So
that
is
the
reason
for
this
elimination.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
this
all
right
again?
On
section
64
65,
there
were
no
recommended
changes.
Those
for
the
record
are
ordinances,
preserved
and
rights
of
officers
and
employees
no
need
to
make
changes
there.
But
for
the
record
anybody
any
questions
on
64
165.
C
I
see
no
hands
all
right,
so
that
takes
us
to
the
last
section,
at
least
in
terms
of
our
sequential
marching
on
through
the
charter
pending
matters
again.
This
is
an
obsolete
provision
because
this
would
have
dealt
with
at
the
time
pending
lawsuits
and
contracts
that
are
in
place
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
that
would
have
been.
I
didn't,
do
the
math,
but
what
50
years
ago,
60
years
ago,
so
this
is
no
longer
a
matter
that
it
needs
to
be
preserved,
and
so
it
can
be
eliminated.
C
Any
questions
about
that
mike
I'm
done
we
actually
are.
I
can
go
right
into
the
the
parking
lot
issues
now,
if
you
want
to,
if
that's
appropriate,
please
do
okay,
so
the
first
one
I
don't
have
a
screen
for
that.
So
let
me
stop
the
share,
but
the
first
one
that
came
up
was
in
section
one,
and
I
don't
know
anything
about
it
other
than
it
is
the
potential
to
change
the
name
of
the
city.
C
To
what
I
do
not
know,
so
I
can't
lead
the
discussion
on
it,
but
that
is
for
a
topic
starter.
What
I
recall
being
the
issue.
B
In
cliff
I'll
add
a
little
bit
more
for
council
staff
has
not
had
an
opportunity
to
do
a
survey
of
our
residents
as
to
how
they
feel
about
potential
change.
B
We've
been
a
little
bogged
down
with
getting
the
new
website
fired
up,
but
with
that
being
said,
we
did
receive,
I
would
say,
probably
somewhere,
between
six
and
ten
emails
from
residents
who
had
seen
the
article
about
a
potential
name
change
and
the
majority
of
them
did
not
favor
a
name
change
at
this
time
again,
it
was
obviously
a
very
limited
number
given
the
fact
that
we
are
still
looking
at
doing
charter
review
activities
over
the
next
several
months
to
get
to
a
point
of
wrap
up,
we
would
look
for
any
direction
that
council
has
on
this
particular
topic.
F
I'm
trying
sorry
it's
my
first
time
zooming
on
this
particular
device.
I
I
think
it's
I.
I
think,
because
the
message
got
out
ahead
of
us
and
the
timing
of
that
message
came
at
the
same
time
that
six
school
names
were
being
changed.
There
was
a
very
much
a
knee-jerk
backlash
reaction.
I
got
a
lot
of
private
emails
and
phone
calls
that
were
supportive,
but
I
just
think
the
timing
and
the
fact
that
the
message
kind
of
got
out
of
control.
F
It
would
say
I
think
we
just
put
it
in
long-term
parking
or
off
off-site
airport
parking
and
and
pick
it
back
up
at
a
future
time,
but
I
definitely
just
with
the
furor
that
surrounded
that
don't
change
anything.
My
favorite
were
the
people.
That
said
it's
always
gonna
be
jack's
speech.
Well,
it's
not
jack's
beach
now,
but
it
could
be
so
I
think,
there's
still
room
for
that
discussion,
but
I
I
don't
think
it's
any
time
soon.
A
I
mean
I'm
not
opposed
to
going
forward
and
just
doing
a
you
know
doing
more
of
a
review
on
the
on
the
possible
names,
and
you
know
the
a
lot
of
people
were
saying
that
it
was
related
to
andrew
jackson
and
those
changes
which
you
know
that
does
I
mean
in
my
review-
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
changing.
Just
that
it's
I
don't
know.
I've
always
thought
it
was
a
good
idea,
so
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
staff
moving
forward
figuring
out.
A
If
we're
going
to
be
doing
other
interviews
of
and
taking
polls
on
some
people,
including
some
of
that
in
there.
G
I
can't
agree
with
mayor
hoffman,
maybe
put
it
in
the
parking
lot
somewhere
at
the
airport
and
then
come
back
to
it.
I
also
receive
emails,
people
against
the
name
change
and
maybe
one
or
two
that
were
kind
of
in
favor,
of
changing
jack
speech
name.
So
that's
it.
We
could
put
in
the
back
button
that
somewhere.
H
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
concur
with
the
mayor
and
I'm
fine
with
putting
it
on
a
on
a
longer
term
discussion
at
another
time.
I
personally,
I
feel
like
we
have
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
right
now,
and
I
just
don't
know
if
it's
if
we
can
really
devote
the
time
to
it,
that
we
should,
when
we've
got
a
lot
of
other
things,
we
need
to
be
devoting
our
time
to.
C
Lot
item
number
two
and
the
number
two
item
from
memory
is
the
item
regarding
the
liquor
license:
liquor
sales
license
limitation
based
on
the
1950
census.
C
We
had
a
brief,
albeit
spirited,
discussion
of
this-
I
think
at
our
very
first
or
either
first
or
second
charter
meeting
about
whether
it
landed
in
the
parking
lot
and
whether
the
number
of
1950
census
should
be
updated
to
current
or
it
should
be
changed
to
some
other
number,
a
static
number
of
no
more
than
x
or
some
other
metric.
But
this
is
you
guys
issue
to
discuss,
so
whoever
wants
to
be
first,
I'm
looking
for
hands.
B
B
While
I
don't
have
it
pulled
up
in
front
of
me.
I
think
the
number
of
additional
locations
that
could
be
cited
was
estimated
at
somewhere
around
a
half
dozen
somewhere
between
five
and
eight,
depending
on
actual
physical
measurements
of
door-to-door
of
the
existing
establishments.
We
obviously
didn't
go
to
that
level,
so
there
was
even
a
recommendation
of
some
of
the
potential
numbers
that
council
could
look
at
if
you
wanted
to
change
as
well.
I
Yeah,
so
I
have
the
email
pulled
up
in
front
of
me
and
I
I'm
I'm
okay
with
the
the
approximate
addition
of
anywhere
between
five
and
eight
license,
probably
leaning
more
towards
the
five
side
than
the
eight
side,
and
just
doing
the
math
of
the
current
census
and
a
little
bit
of
division
and
figure
out
what
that
is
per
capita.
I
But-
and
it
was
a
lot
of
good
work
that
was
put
in
that
from
from
heather.
I
I
do
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
for
that
for
the
additional
five
licenses.
F
Idol
I'd
like
to
maybe
dedicate
20
minutes
or
so
of
a
briefing
to
specifically
discussing
this,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
think
through
other
things,
that
would
impact
that
you
know
if
we
change
land
development
code.
Does
that
change?
You
know
the
500
feet.
Rule
would
change
change
that.
So,
if
you
know
I
want,
I
don't
want
to
make
one
change
somewhere
that
could
be.
You
know
we
could
shift
gears
somewhere
else
and
that
changes
it.
So
I
just
I
want
to
have
a
little
more
thoughtful
conversation
with
heather.
F
B
And
mary,
you
bring
up
a
good
point
that
the
map
that
we
generated
for
you
and
the
gaps
that
the
maps
show
are
based
on
the
current
buffering
standards
or
distance
separation
standards.
Clearly,
if
this
council
or
a
future
council
changed
those
standards
that
would
affect
the
placement
of
future
establishments,
if
any
existing
establishments
went
away,
it
may
prohibit
new
establishments
from
coming
back
into
those
locations.
G
G
You
know,
I
know
I'm
in
the
business,
so
I
mean
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
become
a
poor
city
heading
eight,
ten
more
licenses,
just
because
it's
in
the
sentence
or
whatever
formally
we
can
come
up
with
I'm
comfortable
with
maybe
adding
three
or
five
more
if
possible.
H
I
would
support
discussing
this
further
in
a
briefing,
my
reasoning
being
that
I
would
like
to
hear
from
staff
like,
in
particular,
our
police
department
get
their
thoughts
on.
You
know
if
they're
willing
to
share
their
thoughts
about
what
they
think
the
impact
might
be
to
adding
more
liquor
licenses
and
any
other
any
of
our
other
departments
that
we
think
might
have
some.
H
You
know
impact
from
it
just
to
make
sure
like
what
fernando
was
saying
that
you
know
and
mayor
hoffman
was
saying
that
we
that
we
understand
the
impact
of
the
of
the
decision
before
we
move
forward
with
it.
A
A
My
guess
is
that
the
original
people
that
acquired
them
were
kind
of
involved
involved
in
making
the
rules
so
and
the
fact
that
our
liquor
licenses
out
here
are,
I
don't
know,
750
a
million
dollars
and
for
the
rest
of
duval
county.
There
are
a
hundred
thousand
hundred
and
fifty
that
there's
some
kind
of
that.
It
just
doesn't
add
up
to
me
and
something's,
not
right
with
the
situation.
A
I
would
very
much
prefer
us
working
on
the
srx
for
the
restaurants
to
reduce
the
size,
because
I'd
much
rather
have
have
alcohol
served
where
food
is
served
in
restaurants
and
you
know
be
able
to
monitor
those
a
little
bit
better
and
reduce
the
seeding
size.
So
that's
where
we
would
expand
it
just
from
a
personal
level.
I
I
don't
know
if
I
don't
know,
if
more
more
businesses
that
are
just
alcohol
bars
bring
much
to
the
community.
A
So
I
don't
I'm
like.
I
said
I'm
kind
of
torn,
and
I
just
but
I
just
also
don't
like
the
fact
that
there's
a
kind
of
a
monopoly
situation
set
up
on
the
current
the
current
situation.
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
it
as
a
whole,
not
just
the
cop
4
licenses
that
we
need
to
look
at
all
of
the
other
licenses
combined
to
really
get
the
best
value
from
our
for
our
citizens.
D
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
I'm
hearing,
but
also
what
I'm
hearing
is.
We
want
a
briefing
20
minutes
on
this
for
briefing
to
better
understand
how
it
connects
to
the
pos
any
possible
ldc
changes,
but
then
the
ldc
changes
with
regard
to
s
srx
licenses
is
also
at
play,
and
what
I'm
hearing
is
this
isn't
necessarily
at
this
point
in
time,
a
charter
issue.
D
D
F
It
is
a
much
bigger
question
and-
and
I've
always
said
it's
not
really
a
matter
of
the
number
the
total
number
to
me,
because
I
can
definitely
see
both
sides,
but
the
fact
that
we're
referencing
the
1950
census,
if
we
get
through
this
entire
charter
review
and
leave
that
in
there
I
just
I,
it
just
seems
very
strange
to
me
that
that
we
would
do
that
because
it's
it's
such
an
irrelevant
reference
at
this
point,
so
I
don't
know
if
maybe
we
just
we
have
to
re.
F
A
D
Are
you
saying
we
should
just
replace
it
with
the
number
of
current
cop4
licenses
until
we
get
through
the
ldc
changes
to
figure
out
what
any
implication
would
be
for
changing
that
number.
F
That's
one
of
my
issues,
but
I
think
we
should
have
a
thoughtful
conversation
on
if
we
take
out
based
on
one
of
every
500
people
in
the
1950
census.
What
do
we
replace
it
with?
Do
we
just
say
it's
a
flat
number.
I
don't
know-
and
I
think
that
that's
the
conversation
that
that
we
should
have
and
if
we
want
to
have
that
right
now,
if
we
want
to
have
that
further
down
the
road.
F
C
There's
a
limitation,
no,
the
problem.
The
reason
things
like
this
and
height
limitations
get
put
in
charters
is
because
voters
get
wary
of
politicians
who
can
vote
by
three
and
change
things.
So
that's
the
reason
it,
but
no
as
a
as
it
doesn't
have
to.
I
don't
know
of
any
charters.
I'm
sure
there
probably
are
some,
but
I
don't
know
of
any
that
I've
represented
where
there's
a
similar
restriction.
C
The
discussion
about
the
ldc
is
potentially
very
helpful,
and
that
is
because,
depending
on
how
you
set
up
your
ldc
on
a
go
forward
basis
and
what
the
uses
are
going
to
be
permitted
and
what
users
aren't
going
to
be
rented
and
where
you
may
have
a
physical
space
cap,
that
will
solve
the
issue
in
a
way
that
you'll
be
happy
with,
of
course,
going
back
to
what
I
said.
Initially,
the
problem
with
using
ldc
limitation
is
just
like
any
other
ordinance.
It
can
be
changed
by
a
majority
vote.
I
So
I
I
do
you
think
it
should
be
pushing
the
into
the
parking
lot
and
let's
talk
about
it.
Some
more.
I
just
don't
want
to
put
it
in
long-term
parking,
because
we
have.
I
We
have
some
development
going
on
right
now
in
our
downtown
district
and
some
outside
of
it
with
the
beach
bowl
and
that
things
like
that
which
could
have
an
impact
on
it
as
well.
So,
albeit
a
good
conversation
to
have
somewhere
down
the
road
and,
let's,
let's
think
it
through,
I
just
don't
want
to
kick
it
that
far
down
the
road.
B
Before
we
go
to
councillor
golding
and
to
answer
a
little
bit
of
your
question,
councilor
jansen,
the
next
of
the
the
final
of
the
parking
lot
items
with
regards
to
height.
B
So
if
council
wanted
to
maybe
take
the
holidays
to
think
about
this
a
little
bit
more,
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
a
bad
pause.
You
know,
I
recognize
the
information
we
gave.
You
was
quite
a
bit
and
you
might
want
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
ldc
and
see
if
500
foot,
distance,
separations
door-to-door
is
something
that
is,
should
be
changed
or
kept
the
same.
B
I
don't
know
it
seems
to
be
working
so
far,
but
this
would
give
you
a
little
bit
more
time
to
maybe
digest
digest
the
data
and
talk
to
your
neighbors
talk
to
business
owners
and
see
what
they
think
about
potentially
increasing
those
licenses
and
whether
or
not
the
distance
separation
should
stay
the
same
from
an
ldc
component.
B
You
know
you
can
you
can
increase
the
number
by
20,
but
if
there's
only
space
for
five
to
go
in,
that's
15
license
that
can't
go
anywhere.
The
only
way
you
can
get
those
extra
15
on
the
ground
is
by
changing
the
ldc
requirements,
and
that
means
now
you
may
have
bars
that
are
very
close
proximity
next
to
each
other.
You
may
end
up
with
areas
where
there
are
multiple
bars
all
lined
up
in
a
commercial
plaza.
I
don't
know
if
that,
if
that's
what
the
intent
of
the
community
is
going
forward,.
H
Several
things
I
want
to
touch
on
so
my
understanding-
and
I
think
I've
said
this
before
this
was
put
in
the
charter,
because
the
citizens
wanted
to
have
the
say
as
to
whether
these
the
number
of
alcohol
licenses
changed
in
our
community.
I
I
agree
with
miss
dumont.
I
have,
I
would
have
concerns
it.
If
we're
going
to
be
doing
work
on
the
ldc
and
if
changes
to
the
ldc
would
impact,
you
know,
would
impact
what
happens
in
our
community
based
on
you
know.
H
If,
if
we,
if
we
end
up
saying
you
know
x
number
of
licenses
but
the
lds,
you
know,
the
ldc
changes
actually
could
could
actually
increase
the
impact
in
our
neighborhoods
or
or
throughout
the
community.
I
just
don't.
I
don't
feel
comfortable
until
we
know
what
what's
happening
with
the
ldc
and
how
that
is
going
to
impact
this
decision.
H
I
would
support
putting
the
number
that
we
have
right
now
if
we
want
to
get
the
reference
to
the
1950s
out
of
there,
and
just
I
mean
if
and
that's
how
we
move
forward
until
we
resolve
what
the
ldc
is
going
to
look
like
and
the-
and
I
agree
with
mr
nichols
that
you
know
I'm
not
sure
that
adding
more
bars
to
our
community
is
really
what
what
we
want
to
do.
I
I
would
want
to
see
restaurants.
I
agree
restaurants
with
restaurants,
with
alcohol
that
are
serving
food,
I'm
fine
with
that.
H
But
do
we
really
want
more
bars
in
our
community
and
to
mr
jansen's
point
our?
If
you
know
the
map
that
the
staff
gave
us
I
mean
the
downtown
area
is,
is
pretty
locked
down?
I
mean,
as
far
as
like
being
able
to
add
any
more
bars.
So
with
the
redevelopment
that
we're
doing
in
the
downtown
area,
I
don't
see
that
adding
any
bar
licenses
are
going
to
help
with
the
downtown
redevelopment
at
all.
G
Question
slash
kind
of
comment
I
know
based
on
the
1950
census.
Obviously
it's
one
one
license
per
each
550
people
persons.
B
What
what
my
proposal
the
staff
was
going
to
be
to
counsel
on
the
internet
is
going
to
be
that
staff
will
draft
language
that
converts
the
existing
number
into
modern
census
data
and
then,
if
council
wanted
to
revisit
this
after
the
first
of
the
year
when
we
have
our
debrief
after
the
height
open
house,
if
there's
an
appetite
to
increase
the
number,
we
can
then
change
the
ratio
or
we
can
leave
it
as
is,
and
then
it's
the
same
number
of
liquor
licenses
going
forward.
B
But
at
a
minimum
we
could
draft
the
ordinance
so
that
it
maintains
status
quo
just
with
updated
census
numbers
as
opposed
to
the
1950
number.
And
then,
if
there's
a
change
and
there's
an
appetite
to
add
five
licenses,
we'll
change
the
ratio
that
it
adds
five,
but
at
least
a
language
that
reflects
updated
numbers
with
regards
to
the
census.
If
that's
okay
with
council
at
this
point
in
time,.
A
C
To
the
extent
I
understand
it,
we
don't
issue
the
licenses.
What
we
do
is
say
how
many
people
would
be
able
to
go
to
the
state
with
their
business
and
apply
for
it.
Am
I
missing
something
I
mean
we're,
not
the
the
bureau
of
alcohol.
C
A
Used,
oh
no
they're,
they're
they've
been
maxed
out
forever.
That's
why
the
prices
you
know
if
they
sell
them,
they're,
750,
000
or
whatever
I
mean
they're
insanely
expensive,
and
so,
if
we
put
it
out
there
and
somebody
goes
and
picks
one
up
for
20
grand
or
whatever
the
state
charges
and
somebody
just
paid
750
for
it.
There's
gonna
be
some
upset
people
running
around
and
that's
that's.
C
A
good
ques,
that's
why
I
was
going
next
because
you
might
you'll
you
might
not
get
the
bachelor
backlash.
You
expect
it
may
be
angry
bar
owners
who
paid
a
bunch
of
money
and
have
a
have
to
pay
off
that
license
more
so
than
the
citizens.
But
you
know
that
remains
to
be
seen.
I
was
just
curious
because
I
had
never
heard
anyone
say:
hey,
you
know
there.
A
Yeah
they
cannot
currently,
they
cannot
what
is
their
12
or
they're,
either
12
or
13..
I
can
never
remember
the
number
but
yeah,
so
we
can't
do
that,
and
I
mean
people
have
done
it
with
srx's
and
tried
to
play
the
restaurant
name
only
game
and
I
think
we've
got
rid
of
most
of
those
and
I
think
we're
in
a
situation.
That's
much
better.
A
B
C
Let
me
suggest
to
you:
the
state
is
only
interested
in
the
applicant
and
their
qualifications,
and
part
of
that
is
the
zoning.
So
I
don't.
I
think
it
would
be
a
first
come
first
serve
but
not
based
on
who
applies.
First,
it's
for
it's
who
has
property
in
an
area
under
the
code
where
they
could
use
a
where
a
bar
use
would
be
permitted
and
and
that
that
then
that
is
no
longer
capped
by
the
number
in
our
charter.
C
So
now,
maybe
that
adds
a
license
or
two
okay,
then
it'll
be
a
question
of
who
is
in
a
location
or
can
buy
a
location
where
bar
use
is
a
permitted
use
or
liquor
store
as
a
premier
use
which,
whichever
this
license,
would
cover
or
both
and
securing
the
location
where
the
zoning
would
be
okay,
so
that
the
zoning
official
would
be
able
to
sign
off
on
it
and
then
going
to
the
state
and
being
first
in
line
to
get
the
license.
But
again
without
the
property
applying
for
the
license
will
be
no
good.
A
G
Hey
corey,
I
just
wanted
to
add
real
quick.
I
know
on
the
alcohol
licenses
and
the
price
of
them,
so
the
valley
goes
up
when
the
man
is
there
and
there's
very
limited
so
like
when
you
were
saying
here
at
the
beaches.
If
you
want
to
buy
a
license,
you
can
spend
close
to
half
a
million.
But
if
you
go
to
jacksonville,
you
spend
100
200
000
here
at
the
beaches.
Everyone
wants
to
open
up
a
bar.
So
that's
why
the
value
goes
up
and
it's
just
like
real
estate.
G
So
if
we
were
to
increase
the
aqua
licenses,
that
value
might
go
down
a
bit
and
if
we
were
to
increase
its
electoral
census
and
follow
the
1950
census,
we'll
have
20
40
licenses
and
those
licenses
may
be
worth
like
40
000.
So
I
just
was
trying
to
answer
your
your
question
on
the
price
of
the
licenses.
D
So
if
the
number
go,
if
the
number
of
the
population
goes
up,
the
number
of
x,
whatever
you're
attaching
to
the
census
or
consumer
price
index
or
any
of
those
other
things
would
also
increase.
But
this
is
just
a
static
number
for
an
arbitrary
number,
so
we
can
just
put
the
number
in
there.
There's
no
need
to
include
it
with
a
census.
If
we
were
to
include
it
with
the
census,
it
should
be
a
percentage
of
the
census,
change
that
that
is
noted
to
change
every
10
years
when
the
census
numbers
change.
C
Well,
let
me
this
is
a
very
important
question.
So
all
ears,
the
first
of
all,
there's
a
there's,
a
couple
of
bad
words
when
you're
a
government
lawyer,
one
is
arbitrary,
the
other
is
capricious
you
don't
want
to
be
either
of
those
things
when
you're
drafting
ordinances,
and
so,
if
that
is
the
direction
I.e
coming
up
with
a
number,
then
typically-
and
I
cannot
admit
to
have
done
the
research
on
this
because
I
haven't
been
turned
loose
on.
C
But
the
first
thing
I'd
want
to
know
is
what
data
we
could
find,
because
I
have
the
same
concern
candidly
about
the
the
data
point
that
we're
using
now.
That
would
support
that
the
number
or
the
cap,
if
you
will
isn't
arbitrary
and
capricious
and
is
somehow
related
to
a
metric,
that
we
would
look
at
in
terms
of
providing
legislation,
typically,
health
safety
or
welfare,
and
so
looking
at
the
situation.
C
One
of
the
things
we
would
want
to
do
is
let
I
mean
again,
I
think
it's
one
per
500
isn't
that
it
mike
the
way
it
reads
down.
So
maybe
there's
data
god.
There's
data
for
all
kinds
of
things.
It
would
say
we
find
that
in
communities
where
there's
one
per
thousand,
the
crime
rate
is
x,
whereas
if
there's
a
one
for
500
the
crime
rate
is
y
x
is
better
than
y.
C
Therefore,
that's
why
we're
stitching
to
a
number
that
lowers
the
amount
of
licenses
or
something
like
that
so
before
you
just
want
to
pull
out
a
number
out
of
the
air
and
say
well,
it's
13.
Now,
let's
round
it
up
to
15
and
call
it
a
day,
we
probably
ought
to
do
the
lifting
to
determine
what
we
would
be
able
to
point
to
as
a
reason
for
putting
that
there,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
was
done
can
believe
back
in
the
1950s.
C
I
suspect
it
was
more
of
a
well
here's
a
metric,
let's
use
it,
but
we
have
clear
constitutional
principles
now
in
play,
not
necessarily
an
application
to
liquor
licenses,
specifically,
but
generally
in
the
area
of
municipal
legislation
where,
when
we
start
talking
about
things
that
amount
to
property
rights
or
arguably
our
property
rights,
the
the
arbitrary
capricious
standard
is
one
that's
well
known
and
is
overcome
by
regulation.
That's
based
on
health,
safety
and
welfare,
and
so
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
would
want
to
look
at.
C
It
may
well
be
if
I
start
peeling
away
the
layers
of
the
onion
that
we
would
able
to
find
out
that
no.
This
is
something
where
you
in
your
community
can
actually
say
x,
but
as
an
example
of
where
you
can't
say
x,
the
regulation
of
adult
entertainment.
We
know
from
the
united
states
supreme
court
that
you
can't
say
no
adult
entertainment
per
se.
C
You
can
say
these
are
the
areas
where
it'll
be
zoned
for
and
they
become
impracticable
for
the
people
to
actually
use,
and
so
we,
if,
if
you
want
to
come
up
with
a
number,
not
tied
to
the
census,
we
probably
need
to
do
the
legal
research
to
make
sure
that
it
would
withstand
a
challenge,
because,
right
now
we
may
be
really
on
solid
ground
based
on
the
passenger
time
and
so
forth.
But
we
may
just
be
you
know
a
challenge
away
from
something
we
didn't
anticipate
and
we
didn't
create.
C
Yeah
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
so
if
you
were
if
before
we
were
gonna,
if
the
idea
is
leave
it
alone,
where
we
don't
really
do
anything,
because
it
is
what
it
is,
but
if
we're
going
to
start
changing
it,
whether
it's
by
coming
up
with
an
actual
number
moving
it
to
a
new
census
number
or
something
along
those
lines,
then
it's
going
to
be
more
than
just
community
reaction.
That
needs
to
be
the
underpinning
of
the
ordinance.
It
is
things
that
we
can
articulate,
I
think,
again,
subject
to
being
proven
wrong.
C
When
I
do
some
research,
but
generally
speaking
and
like
I
see
I
use
adult
entertainment
example,
because
you
think
oh
we
can
say
no
to
that,
and
you
know
we
can't
say
no
to
that
as
a
blanket
statement.
It's
a
freedom
of
speech,
it's
freedom,
expression
and
all
that
other
stuff,
but
there
are
ways
to
regulate
it
as
long
as
those
ways
are
based
in
things
that
are
not
arbitrary
and
capricious
and
so
pick
a
direction
you
want
to
go
in
and
then
we
can
start
assembling
the
data
to
try
to
see
what's
out
there.
C
That
will
support
those
conclusions,
and
it
may
be
that
you
know
based
on
instead
of
the
census
of
x
number
of
licenses
per
thousand.
You
know
you,
it
could
be
when
you
have
a
citizen
city
of
26,
000
or
27.
Whatever
jack
speech
is
that
you
know
crime
statistics
show
that
if
you
have
more
than
this
number
of
bars,
here's
your
crime
rate
and
if
you
have
less
of
this
number
of
bars
your
crime
rate's
down
here,
there's
your
justification.
D
D
C
Well,
some
of
the
stuff
that
that
you
guys
maybe
and
understandably
pay
little
attention
to
that
lawyers
like
sandra,
and
I
would
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
are
the
whereas
clauses
you
know,
and
those
are
there
as
an
explanation
of
what
is
the
justification
for
this
regulation,
so
when
it
says,
whereas
the
city
council
is
considered
blah,
blah
blah
blah
and
whereas
it
finds
the
interests
of
the
citizens,
you
know
to
regulate
the
safety
and
health
of
the
citizens.
Above
all,
those
things
that
are
the
whereas
causes
are
also
the
legislative
findings.
C
That
are
your
attempts
to
justify.
Why
you're
implementing
a
regulation,
and
so
in
this
charter
change
it'll,
be
it
would
be
a
part
of
a
much
bigger
set
of
valid
questions,
so
the
research
that
would
go
into
it,
instead
of
being
as
a
separate
ordinance
just
for
this
one
thing
on
a
ballot
would
be
part
of
the
overall
work
of
the
charter
review,
and
so
we
would
need
to
go
about
finding
what's
out
there.
That
discusses
issues
like
this
now,
when
you
say
it's
going
to
take
some
time.
C
If,
yes,
is
the
answer,
but
not,
I
don't
think
as
long
as
as
you
need
that
what
takes
time
is,
if
you
have
to
commission
your
own
study,
but
there
may
be
sufficient
data
already
out
there
in
the
marketplace
that
we
can
get
our
hands
on,
and
so
I
wouldn't
promise
you
that
it
can
be
done
quickly.
C
I
don't
know
that
I
haven't
done
the
research,
but
it's
not
an
uncommon
issue
to
try
to
look
at
what
are
the
effects
of
alcohol
sales
on
things
like
criminal
activity,
pedestrian
safety
and
things
of
that
nature.
You
know
evaluation
in
neighborhoods
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
it
may
be
that
we
can
pull
together
some
of
those
things
and
have
a
reasonable
justification.
That
is
neither
arbitrary
nor
capricious
fairly
quickly.
So
I
would
say
to
you
in
continuing
down
the
road
of
decision
making.
If
you
decide,
we
want
a
hard
cap
of
x.
C
Let's
see
what
the
research
tells
us
about
what
there
is
that
would
we
could
point
to
to
justify
it,
and
if
the
idea
is
no,
we
want
a
floating
cap
based
on
population.
Again,
I
don't
have
a
preference.
I
don't
live
in
jackson
beach.
I
wish
I
could
afford
that,
but
whatever
it
is.
The
point
is
that
once
we
know
the
direction,
then
we'll
see
what
the
research
tells
us
about,
whether
it
can
be
supported.
I
C
I
So
georgia
stole
my
thunder
about
tying
into
the
census,
so
thank
you.
I
I
wanted
to
get
that
question
answered.
I
appreciate
that,
and
the
only
other
thing
I
would
add
was
that
we
should
put
some
kind
of
language
in
there
to
review
this.
That
is,
a
review
is
just
done
more
frequently
than
71
years,
whether
it's
five
years
and
do
or
or
some
whatever
that
number
happens
to
be.
You
know,
tie
it
to
the
census.
If
it's
that,
then
it's
every
10
years
or
or
that
we
review.
C
C
I
think
that
actually
may
come
up
after
we
get
through
this
third
parking
lot
issue,
because
this
is
also
a
section
of
the
meeting
where
we
can
talk
about
any
additional
items
that
bring
to
the
table
that
would
apply
to
the
entire
charter
and
that
and
having
reviews
every
so
often
could
be
one
of
those
issues.
Mr
nichols.
A
I
was
gonna
say
if
we
decide
not
to
make
any
changes
that
we're
not
gonna
add,
then
we
might
as
well
just
leave
the
language
the
way
it
is
so
we
don't
open
any
can
of
worms.
Yeah
I
mean
that's
what
it
is
right
now.
We
can't
change
it,
I'm
having
a
reference
to
1950,
but
it
really
doesn't
matter
that
much.
C
Well,
let
me
see
if
I
can
recap,
please
what
I
think
I
heard
was
they
want
the
briefing
on
the
issue
of
licenses
and
perhaps
in
that
briefing
either
sandra.
If
you
choose-
or
I
can
do
it,
if
you
like
see,
if
we
can
find
some
things
out
there,
that
talk
about
sale
of
liquors
in
bars
and
its
impact
on
things
that
I
know
you
can
regulate
around
criminal
activity,
pedestrian
safety,
noise,
perhaps
other
things
of
that
nature
and
see
what's
out
there,
that
we
couldn't
potentially
lean
on.
C
If
we
decided
hey,
we
want
to
change
the
cap,
but
here's
what
we
want
to
change
it
to
either
smaller
or
I
guess
you
can't
go
smaller,
but
but
you
could
certainly
say
we're
going
to
make
it
a
hard
cap
of
x
based
on
this
data
and
our
population
size
of
25
26,
whatever
it
is
thousand
and
see
what's
out
there,
and
if
we
get
to
a
comfort
zone
hey
we
have
some
pretty
good
data
out
here.
That
shows
that
this
regulation
makes
sense.
C
Then,
okay,
how
do
you
want
to
go
about
coming
up
with
that
number?
So
I
think
we
can
do
that
in
short
order
and
also,
if
we're
wrong,
if
I
can't
find
the
data,
the
only
other
option
that
I'm
aware
of,
although
it
would
probably
be,
I
don't
know
how
expensive,
but
there
would
be
a
cost
associated
with
it
is
commission
your
own
study.
C
A
Can
we
also
have
them
look
into
the
reducing
the
sheets?
The
seating
necessary
for
srx
licenses
know
they've
done
it
in
downtown
jacksonville,
avondale
and
a
couple
other
places
as
well,
and
if
we
were
going
to
increase
something
I'd
personally,
I
think
I'd
prefer
to
increase
that
than
increase
the
cop
force.
B
A
C
All
right,
do
you
understand
where
I
think
we
are
going
now
mike,
I
believe
so
all
right,
then.
The
third
item
that
I
have
in
the
parking
lot
is
is
the
height
bonuses.
Let
me
share
the
screen
again
and
this
time
try
to
get
it
right.
The
first
time
I
pulled
up
the
old
memo
and
if
I
got
it
right,
which
did
I
or
did
I
said,
oh,
I
got
it
yeah
there.
It
is
okay.
C
This
was
language
that
staff
drafted,
apparently
at
the
request
of
I
don't
know
exactly
whom
it
was
about
putting
in
a
potential
height
bonus
of
up
to
20
feet
for
a
total
of
55
feet
within
the
central
business
district.
Upon
demonstration,
the
proposed
project
complies
with
incentive
eligibility
criteria
established,
but
then
the
downtown
cra
plan
and
conditions
upon
final
approval,
and,
as
I
recall
it,
there
were
no
other
changes
suggested
to
this
section
of
52..
C
C
And
maybe
you
all
know,
bonuses
like
this,
where
they're
called
bonuses
or
incentives
are
quite
common,
but
they
also
can
be
quite
controversial
and
that's
probably
how
this
ended
up
in
the
parking
lot
their
their
goal
when
used
in
the
way
they're
intended,
is
to
achieve
other
city
goals
by
allowing
a
developer
to
get
more
height
or
intensity
density
under
what
otherwise
would
be
a
hard
cap
than
they
would
otherwise
get
by
doing
something
else.
C
The
city
needs,
so
it's
using
height,
as
essentially
your
currency,
by
which
you
would
obtain
in
return
wider
sidewalks,
a
regional
retention
pond
undergo
underwater
storm
drains
that
need
to
be
replaced
or
whatever
a
new
park,
so
that
that's
generally
how
these
things
are
used.
As
I
mentioned,
I
think
the
last
time
this
came
up.
They
can
be
very
controversial.
I
think
I've
been
explained
how
so,
but
they
are
considered
a
tool.
They
can
be
a
very
good
tool.
C
They
can
also
be
a
very
misunderstood
tool,
and
I
think
I
explained
to
you
too,
that
in
one
of
my
cities,
the
city
of
maitland,
it
became
a
very
divisive
tool
because
those
that
were
against
it
were
really
against
it.
And
so
that's
the
floor
for
the
discussion
and
that's
why
it
was
put
in
the
parking
lot.
So
here
you
go.
B
And
cliff
I'll
supplement
that
there's
a
document
that
I
don't
think
I
have
sent
to
you
yet,
and
that
is
some
modifications
to
52b
based
on
council
feedback
when
we
discussed
section
52
with
them.
I
will
send
that
file
over
to
you
now,
while
we're
meeting
but
effectively,
we
modified
the
text
to
clarify
that
it's
within
the
cbd,
as
such
boundaries
exist
as
of
january
1st
2022,
and
we
also
clarify
that
the
hype
bonus
terminates
with
the
dissolution
of
the
downtown
cra,
either
in
whole
or
for
that
portion
covering
the
cbd.
B
The
intention
is
that
we
have
a
public
open
house
somewhere
in
the
month
of
january,
and
that
the
proposed
charter
language
for
52b,
along
with
some
possible
incentive
eligibility
criteria
to
achieve
that
height,
bonus,
could
be
shared
with
the
public
and
council
could
have
an
opportunity
to
see
if
whether
or
not
this
language
hits
the
mark
based
on
community
feedback
or
whether
or
not
it
needs
further
adjustment
based
on
what
the
public
tells
them.
A
The
only
other
one
in
there
that
I
think
is
still
open
for
a
discussion
is
the
the
total
height
I
mean
if
somebody's
going
to
come
in
and
put
some
parking
on
on
the
floor,
I
don't
know
I
started
leaning
towards
you
know
a
kappa,
70
or
something,
but
I
think
we
just
need
to
talk
about
that
further
as
well.
B
C
C
So
you
don't
have
to
look
at
that
anymore
and
mike
the
only
other
thing
that
I
can
recall-
and
I
don't
know
whether
you
wanted
to
do
this
now
or
set
a
meeting
for
it,
but
someone
I
think
ms
golding
asked
about
additional
items
that
could
be
brought
forward
if
anybody
has
any
additional
items
where
they
want
to
discuss
whether
something
can
or
should
be
added
to
the
charter.
As
long
as
the
floor
is
okay
for
that,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
entertain
those
things
now.
H
Thank
you
so
cliff
in
our
last
meeting,
you
kind
of
touched
on
the
question
about
the
florida
statute,
saying
that
we
need
to
have
an
ordinance
or
in
charter
what
we
do
in
the
event
that
you
know
we
have
less
than
two
people
or
whatever
or
or
in
the
in
the
case
of,
say
we
have
one
candidate
and
then
that
candidate
dies
or
whatever,
and
now
you
have
no,
you
have
nobody
who's
going
to
fill
that
vacancy.
You
were
going
to
touch
on
that.
I
think
in
this
meeting,
maybe.
C
Yeah
we
I
looked
at
that
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
to
my
attention.
It
is
sort
of
an
open
question
whether
or
not
something
is
needed
or
not,
and
let
me
explain
why
what
the
statute
appears
to
say
plainly
is
that
there
needs
to
be
a
provision
for
when,
let's
suppose,
only
one
of
you
qualifies
for
your
seat,
so
essentially
you
would
be
running
unopposed,
but
before
qualification
ends,
you
change
your
mind,
something
bad
happens.
C
A
husband
or
a
wife
gets
transferred
and
you're
gonna
move
so
never
mind
and
nobody
else
qualifies.
The
idea
would
be
that
there
should
be
an
ordinance
or
a
charter
provision.
It
can
be
either
one
that
says
in
that
instance.
C
C
However,
what
I
would
point
out
and
why
it's
not
exactly
clear
to
me
with
100
certainty
that
you
must
do
this
is
because
right
now
we
know
that
if
we
were
past
a
qualification
period
so
that
someone
would
have
been
declared
elected
and
a
vacancy
then
appeared.
So
if
it
was
not
during
the
qualifying
period,
but
just
after
the
close
qualifying
closed
on
friday
and
monday
morning,
the
candidate
says
never
mind.
C
We
know
that
in
that
situation
the
council,
the
remaining
council
would
report,
would
appoint
the
successor.
So
this
this
interim
period,
which
is
a
very
brief
period,
it
is
not
like
there
isn't,
a
mechanism
that
that
seat
will
continue
to
continually
be
open.
It
literally
is
that,
for
a
period
of
how
long
is
your
qualifying
period
like
a
week
two
weeks,
one
week
one
week,
so
it's
if
you're
literally
talking
about
a
difference
of
just
days
before
what
would
kick
in
if
it
was
after.
C
The
qualifying
dates
in
is
the
rest
of
the
council
would
appoint
the
first,
and
so
we
can
do
it.
I
certainly
think
that
if
you
look
at
the
statute
that
you
provided
that
that
is
a
reasonable,
if
not
even
more
correct
interpretation,
but
it
is
not
as
if
you're
in
limbo
land.
You
do
have
a
mechanism
to
fill
that
seat.
H
C
Yeah
ordinarily,
the
way
this
works
and
that
what's
weird
about
this
thing
is
that
is
the
qualifying
period,
because,
ordinarily,
if
a
person
is
unopposed,
they
are
declared
elected,
and
that
can
happen
because
the
candidate,
that's
opposing
them,
drops
out
or
they're
the
only
person
to
qualify.
So
this
is
this
kind
of
unique
period
where
one
person
is
qualified.
C
You
know
right
up
front.
Nobody
else
is
yet
qualified,
but
during
this
one
week
period
that
person
changes
their
mind.
So
you
have
nobody
in
there.
You
could
still
get
somebody
during
that
period.
Right.
Someone
could
say:
oh
well,
if
they're
dropping
out.
Let
me
follow
my
run
down
there
and
follow
my
papers
tomorrow,
and
so
it's
it's
such
a
unique
circumstance,
and
we
know
that
right
after
the
qualifying
period
is
concluded,
council
appoints
it
may
be.
C
E
H
Okay,
another
issue
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up,
because
this
came
up
back
in
2004
when
we
were
doing
the
height
referendum
and
there
were
two
conflicting
referendums
on
the
ballot.
H
We
don't
have
anything
in
our
charter.
That
says
what
would
happen
if
two
conflicting
referendums
pass.
However,
other
city
charters
do
have
that
language
and
I
pulled
it
from
from
several
city
charters,
and
so
you
know
I
realize
it's
not
something
that
we
would
expect
to
happen
very
often,
but
you
know.
H
In
a
private
election
before,
but
back
in
2004
I
mean
it
was
a
it
was.
It
could
have
been
a
reality
because
yeah
just
the
whole
situation,
the
the
language,
the
language
in
the
alternate
referendum
people
were
getting
confused
about
it.
They
thought
that
that
alternate
referendum
was
also
limiting
the
heights
of
buildings
to
35
feet,
because
the
language
had
35
feet
in
it.
So
anyway,
my
my
thought
was
that
that's
something
that
has
come
up
in
jack's
speech
and
if
we
could
add
the
language
to
the
charter,
it's
there
in
case.
C
H
C
I
I
can
come
up
with
some
language
that
attempts
to
deal
with
it,
but
I
I
must
admit
I
haven't
seen
such
language
before
I'm
confident
that
it
exists.
But
it's
a
it's
a
curiosity.
I'd
love
to
I'm
inch
I'll,
be
interested
to
know
most
likely
the
method,
because
if
you
truly
have
two
conflicting
provisions,
how
would
you
fix
that
say?
Well,
the
one
that
got
the
most
votes
wins
and
that.
C
H
That
is
exactly
they
all.
They
all
say
that
yeah
and
I
I
have
a
document
that
I
put
together
that
I
shared
with
mike
and
mike
can
send
it
to
you.
Didn't
I
share
it
with
you
mike
that
had
the
ones
or
had
it
laid
out
all
the
different
ones,
but
anyway.
C
H
C
H
So,
where
are
my
notes
on
that?
I'll
have
to
find
that
document?
I
don't
have
it
up,
but
but
yeah
some
of
them
actually,
some
of
them
just
specifically
say
the
one
with
the
most
votes
prevails,
but
some
of
them
say
that
only
the
portions
of
the
of
the
initiative
or
whatever
you
know
that
is
in
conflict,
then
the
one
with
the
most
votes
that
that
prevails.
So
it
sounded
like
they
were.
You
know,
taking
yeah
parts
from.
C
C
Well
and
there's
always
a
possibility
too,
that
when
the
parts
that
conflict
one
is
ruled
out
over
the
other
that
the
parts
of
the
ones
that
don't
conflict
nevertheless
don't
make
sense
either
so
you'll
never
be
able
to
come
up
with
the
perfect
charter
that
covers
every
possibility.
So
we
always
will
know
the
answer.
C
But
I
think
this
is
a
reasonable
thing
to
suggest
an
adding
to
the
ballot
at
some
point,
whether
it's
this
time
or
the
next
time,
and
if
you
want
to
do
that,
it'll
be
easy
enough
for
me
to
come
up
with
a
language
that
appears
to
be
for
lack
of
a
better
way
of
putting
it.
The
industry
standard
for
municipal
law.
H
Okay,
and
and
along
with
that,
another
thing
that
I
mean
because
well,
this
language
actually
was
always
part
of
initiative
and
referendum
and
there's
a
lot
of
charters
that
have
a
section
that's
on
initiative
and
referendum,
which
seems
to
be
focused
on
citizens
being
able
to
initiate
changes
in
ordinance
by
initiative
or
referendum.
Correct
and
because
changes
to
the
charter
are
defined
by
state
statute,
at
least
unless
the,
unless
they
minimize.
H
Right
specific
to
charter
referendum
right.
But
I
I
looked
and
there's
a
lot
of
cities
who
have
that
section
on
initiative
and
referendum
to
give
citizens
that
ability
to
put.
C
One
of
the
cities
that
I
represent
town
upon
sunlit
has
something
where
they
can.
If
council
passes
an
ordinance
and
citizens
aren't
happy
about
the
ordinance,
then
they
can
make
a
petition
that
requests
that
it
be
repealed
and
if
they
get
enough
signatures,
then
it
shall
come
back
to
the
council
to
consider
appealing.
C
If
the
council
refuses
to
repeal,
then
those
same
petitioners
can
go
through
the
process
of
getting
it
put
on
a
ballot
to
repeal
the
ordinance
by
ballot
initiative,
in
addition
to
the
things
that
they
can
do
to
put
an
initiative
on
the
ballot
to
change
the
charter.
So
both
things
are
covered
and
that's
an
example.
So
I
know
what
it
is:
you're
speaking
up.
H
Right
exactly
and
thank
you
for
explaining
it,
because
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
probably
understand
it
better
with
your
explanation
than
I
could
have
explained
it,
but
I
will
say
that,
like
our
neighbor
atlantic
beach
has
this
in
their
charter
and
then
several
other
cities
do.
H
I
did
some
research
and
found
I
mean
like
largo,
surfside
treasure,
island
deerfield,
beach,
sanibel
bay,
harbor
islands,
daytona
beach,
naples
del
ray
beach,
cocoa,
beach,
saint
augustine,
even
has
it
in
their
charter,
and
then
I
found
some
other
information
that
that
said
that
I
think
eight
out
of
ten
of
the
largest
cities
in
in
florida
have
initiative
and
referendum
in
their.
You
know
they
have
that
in
their
charter
or
whatever.
C
H
H
Right
and
so
for
me,
I'm
thinking
well,
if
we're
looking
at
the
charter,
I
think
we
need
to
consider
this,
because
I
think
we
and
you
know
maybe
it's
something
that
we
get
some
more
information
on
and
so
that
the
rest
of
my
colleagues
can
understand
it
better.
H
But
but
it's
pretty
standard
a
lot
of
I
mean
all
the
ones
that
I
found,
but
it's
just
it
seemed
to
vary
as
to
how
many
signatures
you
know
would
be
required,
like
miami
requires
10
percent
of
the
electors,
whereas
tampa
well
tampa
was
10,
but
then
others
might
say
15
or
even
20
of
the
electors.
You
know
to
be
able
to
to
get
it.
You
know
it's.
C
All
it's
all
over
the
board
and
you
you
guys,
have
actual
districts
where
people
are
in
certain
seats
right
and
so
as
a
good
example,
and
this
is
something
that
was
only
recently
changed
in
the
orange
county
charter,
and
I
think
you
all
know
that
I
did
that
chart
review
for
well
over
a
year
and
a
half
didn't
cover
nearly
as
much
ground
as
we
have
so
congratulations
to
you
guys,
but
the
interesting
part
of
that
is
their
provision
for
initiative
and
referendum
petitions,
which
obviously
you
know
we're
in
the
millions
here
in
the
county.
C
But
it
was
to
take
what
was
a
general
number
of
x
percent
and
make
it
that
percentage
from
each
district
and
boy.
There
was
a
lot
of
squealing
about
that,
but
that's,
ultimately
what
is
now
the
situation.
So
it's
not
just
oh
well,
I
need
you
know
5
000
signatures.
C
Thing
on,
and
so
there's
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
go
about
it,
and
there
are
some
limitations
that
you
will
should
should
certainly
strongly
consider.
For
example,
you
do
not
want
probably-
and
I
don't
even
know
what
would
pass
constitutional
muster
and
that's
why
you
want
to
be
careful
about
what
you
put
in
there,
something
that
says
by
referendum.
They
could
try
to
change
the
tax
rate
right.
They
can't,
and
so
there
are
certain
things
where
they
should
kind
of
not
be
allowed
to
meddle,
but
right-
and
I
think
all.
C
B
B
B
B
Okay,
so
cliff,
if
you
want
to
start
taking
a
look,
I
don't.
I
can't
remember
if
I
sent
it
to
you
but
I'll
forward
the
research
that
sandy
had
already
put
together
from
other
cities,
and
then
you
can
obviously
cross-reference
against
some
other
and
go
from
there.
H
And
then
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
that
just
put
it
out,
there
put
it
on
the
table,
but
neptune
beach
has
just
a
very,
very
small
section
in
their
charter.
It's
just
one
sentence
actually
to
preserve
parks
and
park
lands,
basically
just
saying
that
the
city
shall
be
prohibited
from
reducing
the
size
of
any
parks
or
park
lands
without
prior
approval
of
the
voters.
H
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
you
know
that
people
would
be
concerned
about,
or
my
colleagues
would
be
concerned,
about
making
making
sure
that
we
don't
reduce
the
size
of
our
park.
Our
park
lands
in
jack's
beach,
but
I
wanted
to
put
that
out.
There.
F
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
be
concerned
about
that,
but
I
think
if
we
put
in
the
charter,
I
mean
what,
if
there
was
a
really
good
city
need
for
reducing
this,
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
that
would
be,
but
that
seems
like
a
step
too
far
in
tying
our
hands
with
our
own
property.
C
It's
a
policy
consideration
for
sure
and
like
a
lot
of
things
when
you
as
you've,
learned
from
me,
having
been
around
doing
this
for
a
while,
I
can.
I
can
certainly
tell
you
very
clearly
what
are
both
sides,
I'm
dealing
with
this
exact
issue
right
now
under
it's
not
called
parklands,
it's
called
heritage
lands,
but
in
the
city
of
maitland
they
have
had
for
many
many
years
that
preceded
my
being
the
city
attorney
there.
C
The
heritage
lands
provision
in
the
in
the
their
charter
and
it
works
this
way
they
take
all
city
online,
all
of
them
not
just
parklands,
and
they
classify
them
in
one
of
three
or
four
categories:
arts
and
historical,
cultural,
blah,
blah
blah.
I
forget
them
all
and
in
whatever
their
classification,
the
heritage,
land
referendum
requirement
says
a
if
you're
going
to
change
them
in
terms
of
their
actual
or
prospective
use.
C
So
if
you
were
going
to
change
it
say
from
a
park
to
a
public
works
water
plant
of
some
sort,
you
have
to
have
a
referendum
if
you're
going
to
sell
them
or
otherwise
dispose
of
them.
You
have
to
have
a
referendum
and
if
you
do
any
so
so,
if
they're
already
classified
park,
you
could
take
the
park.
That
is
a
passive
park
and
install
benches
and
picnic
tables.
C
But
if
you
change
it
to
an
active
part,
say
a
baseball
field
that
would
require
referendum,
so
that's
the
extreme
and
how
it's
coming
back
to
bite
them,
even
though
it
got
overwhelming
voter
support
way
back.
You
know
40
50
years
whenever
it
passed,
is
that
there's
now
a
single
older
home
which
has
been
used
for
the
last
30
plus
years
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
the
older
couple
that
had
it
are
now
going
to
move
to
bank
maine
and
retire,
and
they
would
like
to
move
on.
C
They'd
also
like
to
be
able
to
sell
the
business
to
somebody
else
to
come
in
and
operate
the
bed
and
breakfast.
The
problem
is
that
the
airbnb
market
has
caused
a
headache
and
finding
a
successor
has
been
a
difficult
issue,
but,
more
importantly,
the
city
would
be
interested
in
doing
something
else
with
the
land,
but
they
can't
do
anything
else
with
the
land
unless
they
go
back
to
a
referendum.
C
So
they
can't
sell
it,
they
can't
make
it
a
single
family
home
which
would
sell
for
a
ton
of
money
in
that
location
or
anything
else
without
going
to
a
referendum
and
there's
some
concern
that
they
would
spend
the
money
on
the
referendum
and
it
wouldn't
pass.
So
that's
the
side
of
the
argument
that
the
mayor,
I
think,
is
kind
of
putting
out
there,
which
is,
do
we
want
to
tie
our
hands
in
this
way
from
the
other
side,
it's
the
voters
tend
to
like
these
things.
H
Well
and
the
reason
I
brought
it
up
was
because
when
we
did
our
community
conversations,
there
was
a
lot
of
there
was
a
lot
of
comment
about.
People
would
like
to
see
us
have
more
green
space,
and
we
know
here
in
jack's
beach
that
we're
pretty
much
built
out
and
so
the
chances
of
us
you
know
adding
green
space
are
kind
of
limited,
but
but
the
opportunities
to
sell
that
green
space
and
lose
that
green
space
you
know
are.
H
Could
there
could
be
pressures
for
that
right
and
I
you
know
I
wanted
to
put
it
out
there,
because
me
personally,
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
us
lose
any
of
our
park
space.
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
us
lose
any
of
our
green
space,
but
I
don't
know
mike.
If
there's
you
know,
if
the
comp
plan
helps
to
protect
that,
for
you
know,
helps
us
protect
our
park
space
and
we
don't
really
need
to.
B
B
So
basically
there
would
be
a
public
process
to
go
through
for
the
sale
of
any
land,
whether
that's
park,
lift
station
whatever
the
case
might
be,
and
that's
not
something
that
can
be
done
administratively
without
the
community,
knowing
it
would
take
place
so
it
puts
itself
in
the
public
forum.
So
I
think
between
that
and
the
comp
plan,
we
should
be
pretty
well
covered
for
the
preservation
of
green
space
going
forward.
B
You
also
still
have
the
option
that
if
you
want
to
put
deed
restrictions
on
the
property,
that
would
be
another
route,
you
could
go
rather
than
putting
it
within
the
charter.
If
there
are
certain
parks
within
the
city,
where
you
wanted
to
put
deed
restrictions
that
they
only
be
used
for
park
purposes,
you
could
do
that
so
that
at
some
point
in
the
future
they
were
sold.
They
still
have
a
restriction
in
place
as
to
what
they
can
be
used
for.
D
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
mayor
hoffman
that
we
don't
want
to
tie
our
hands
park.
Lands
are
assets,
and
while
we
will
not,
as
things
currently
stand,
we
would
see
no
need
to
sell
those
assets
or
release
those
assets
from
city
ownership
in
the
future.
It
may
may
not
may
need
to
come
to
that
if
there
were
a
council
that
decided
just
to
do
that
for
like
willy-nilly,
because
you
know
their
best
buds
are
a
developer
and
they
want
to
build
something
on
south
beach
park.
D
Well,
then,
the
electorate
will
deal
with
them
and
I'm,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
safe
way
to
do
it.
The
and
we
have
the
deed
restrictions.
We
have
all
of
these
other
ordinances.
I
just
don't
see
tying
our
hands
with
releasing
assets
any
anything
beyond
what
the
ordinances
are
already
already
prescribing
on
how
we
would
sell
off
assets.
F
I
just
wanted
to
say,
and
mike
already
hit
on
the
point
of
deed
restrictions.
There
probably
are
already
some
existing
in
in
places
like
gonzales
park
and
tall
pines,
where
land
was
given
to
us
by
the
property
owners
and
since
I'm
just
sitting
here,
looking
right
at
it.
To
give
you
guys
the
example,
the
history
park,
which
a
lot
of
people
don't
think
of
as
a
city
park,
but
it
is
city,
property,
is
deed
restricted.
F
So
this
is
arguably
the
most
marketable
piece
of
property
right
now
that
is
considered
a
park
and
we
can
never
develop
it
or
sell
it,
because
if
we
did,
it
would
automatically
go
back
to
the
state
of
florida.
So
so
there
may
already
be
protections
in
place
that
that
we
aren't
even
aware
of
so
just
want
to
make
that
point.
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
with
the
implementation
of
the
urban
trails,
I
think
that's
going
to
help
kind
of
lock
things
in
place
as
well,
and
I
I
would
be
concerned
about
unintended
consequences
exampled
by
maitland,
that
you
just
gave
us
that
something,
that's
unforeseen,
that
we
don't.
We
don't
recognize
or
see
right
now
if
we
were
to
do
if
we
were
to
put
it
in
a
charter.
So
I
like,
where
we're
going,
keeping
it
outside
the
charter.
C
J
C
J
Stokes
sorry,
I
was
waiting
until
the
conversation
ended
on
that
topic.
I
was
wondering
if
we
should
put
something
in
to
review
the
charter
every
like
seven
years.
I
know
cliff,
said
every
five
to
ten.
I
don't
know
if
that
should
go
in
the
charter
or
if
we
should
make
an
ordinance
to
initiate
charter
review
every
seven
years,
but
I
know
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
done
it
and
with
term
limits,
it
would
get.
J
Basically,
you
know
each
each
council
basically
would
would
go
through
a
charter
review
and
possibly
two
depending
on.
If
you
serve
multiple
seats,
I
would
I'd
be
in
favor
of
it
going
in
in
the
charter,
or
I
would
also
be
in
favor
of
an
ordinance.
But
I
just
I
want
us
to
get
a
little
bit
more
caught
up
on
city
documents
and
not
go
15
20
30
years
without
addressing
them.
C
Let
me
we're
going
to
go
to
mr
janssen
next,
but
let
me
put
out
here
that's
this
should
be
a
two-part
question
and
the
first
is:
do
you
want
to
have
some
sort
of
prescribed
period
for
charter
reviews
going
forward,
and
if
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
then
I'll
discuss
some
options.
I
do
agree
with
you,
mr
stokes,
that
the
charter
is
the
right
place
to
have
that
kind
of
stuff.
C
But
there
are
a
number
of
ways
which
we
didn't
discuss
when
I
prevented
you
presented
you
with
my
suggested
manner
of
reviewing
the
charter
and
that's
the
way
I
like
to
do
it.
I
think
it
works,
but
that's
not
the
only
way.
So
the
first
question
is:
do
you
want
to
have
a
timely
review
every
so
often
and
if
there's
enough
nods?
For
that
then
I'll
explain
what
are
your
options
to
consider
and
then
draft?
Accordingly,
I'm
seeing
knotted
heads?
Are
you
seeing
any
you
agree?
C
You
can
prescribe
that
each
section
will
be
reviewed.
A
report
will
be
repaired
prepared
so
the
way
that
these
periodic
charter
reviews
are
carried
out.
You
can
be
very
detailed
and
not
only
the
time
period,
but
also
the
manner
in
which
they'll
be
reviewed.
So
it's
kind
of
option,
a
and
option
b,
which
is
the
manner
there's
a
lot
of
different
manners.
So
if
you
want
option
a
shall
be
reviewed
every
x
amount
of
time,
that's
simple
option
b.
We're
gonna
have
to
have
further
discussion
about
okay.
What
is
it
you
want
to
mandate?
I
So
question
for
you
is:
what
do
we
lose
and
or
gain
by
putting
an
ordinance
versus
a
charter
during
it.
C
Do
you,
what
do
you
lose?
You
don't
lose
anything
per
se
except
the
ability
to
quickly
change
it,
and
so,
if
you
they
say
ordinance,
it's
every
three
years
or
five
years
and
the
council
comes
and
says
we
don't
like
that.
I
Okay,
well
yeah.
I'm
in
my
opinion,
is
I'm
in
favor
of
having
that
review.
So
we
don't
run
into
some
of
the
problems
that
we
have
run
in
with
this
review.
So
I
guess
the
bigger
conversation
is
what
what
does
that
number
look
like
you
know?
Is
it
seven
years
or
ten
years?
C
I
don't
when
I
was
city
attorney
for
mount
dora.
They
were
doing
it
every
two
and
it
was
ridiculous,
but
I
I
have
more
cities
than
not
that
don't
have
a
specified
time
period
and
it
just
crosses
somebody
my
mind:
hey,
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
reviewed
the
charter,
if
I
my
gut
tells
me
that
four
to
five
years
is
about
right.
But
if
someone
said
no
seven
to
nine
sounds
better.
C
Okay
by
me:
there's
not
a
magic
number
to
it,
but
the
reason
I
say
four
to
five
seems
right
is
because
it
just
seems
like
today
there's
so
many
changes
that
we
don't
anticipate
in
society
and
all
kinds
of
different
things
that
we
may
decide
that
there's
a
need
to
regulate
and
if
it
happens
that
on
a
five-year
charter
review
or
a
four-year
charter
review
that
there's
nothing
that
needs
changing,
then
it
becomes
a
real
short
session
and
this
one
was
longer,
even
though
I
thought
for
me
personally
that
it
was
very
efficient
because
of
how
much
had
not
been
looked
at
in
a
very
long
time,
but
then
on
a
go
forward
basis.
C
Assuming
most,
if
not
all,
of
these
changes
get
passed
by
the
voters,
then
you
could
see
if
you
said
well,
the
next
one
will
be
five
years
from
now
that
you
look
at
it,
and
I
would
imagine
if
anything
is
going
to
be
getting
attention,
it
would
be
the
same
issues
we
put
in
the
parking
lot
right.
Do
we
want
to
change
the
name
of
the
city?
Do
we
want
to
change
the
number
of
liquor
licenses
and
do
we
want
to
do
something
with
height?
C
So
I
guess
question
one
then
is
is
to
figure
out:
do
you
want
to
just
say
how
often
and
leave
it
at
that
and
say
the
rules
be
determined
by
the
council.
That's
in
place
at
that
time.
Is
that
the
thing?
Okay,
that's
easy
for
me!
So
no
problem,
and
then
I
guess
I
need
I'll.
Tell
you
what
I
can
draft
it
with
a
blank
and
then
y'all
can
suggest
at
the
time
that
it
comes
forward.
C
What
year
you
want
to
put
in
it,
whether
it's
two,
four
five,
seven,
nine,
whatever
yeah,
but
that
the
provision
itself
will
draft
itself
it'll
be
easy.
Is
there
anything
else?
Folks,
then
let
me
go
back
and
recap
what
I
think
we
discussed
tonight
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
So
first
we're
not
going
to
go
into
the
name
change
now,
but
there
will
be
a
workshop
or
some
sort
of
a
event
about
that
in
the
future,
but
that
future
is
unspecified.
C
I
think
the
liquor
licenses
there
will
be
a
council
briefing
before
which
miss
robinson
and
myself
will
try
to
see
what
we
can
find
in
terms
of
existing
data
or
research.
That
would
support
a
limitation
on
the
kinds
of
liquor
licenses,
we're
talking
about
from
a
standpoint
of
health
safety
or
welfare.
C
Regarding
hype
bonuses,
there
will
be
a
community
meaning
sometime,
I
think,
in
january,
to
discuss
the
language
that
we
actually
a
version
of
the
language
that
we
saw.
It's
apparently
been
changed
since
I
had
it
and
see
how
that
goes
over.
I
will
be
putting
together
based
on
lots
of
research.
That's
already
been
done,
a
resolution
for
the
charter
that
deals
with
conflicting
referendums.
C
If
wait
a
minute,
let
me
go
back
yes
and
a
provision
for
initiative
and
referendums,
because
one
doesn't
make
sense
without
the
other
and
we'll
pull
that
together
and
bring
that
back
for
whenever
our
next
get-together
will
be,
and
then
a
provision
that
involves
timely
charter
review
with
a
yet
to
be
defined
time
period
of
what
that
will
be,
and
that
will
be
discussed
next
time.
That's
what
I
have
did
I
leave
anything
out
mike
or
did
I
mistake
anything.
B
Okay,
thank
you
cliff
we're
we're
still
going
on
to
our
next
topic,
but
we
appreciate
your
effort
for
tonight
and
getting
us
across
the
line
with
number
66
and
we
will
be
in
contact
with
some
of
these
ancillary
items
going
forward.
C
B
C
E
E
As
you
know,
I've
been
here
for
about
three
weeks
as
of
today,
and
I
spent
the
first
two
weeks
meeting
with
many
of
you
and
also
directors
individually
to
discuss
preliminarily
my
my
goals
for
service
delivery,
as
well
as
to
find
out
what
your
individual
priorities
were
and
so
those
meetings
while
they
were
very
helpful.
E
They
really
didn't
help
me
put
into
any
kind
of
sequencing
the
priorities
that
were
already
discussed
before
I
came
on
board.
So
I'm
hopeful
that
after
we
meet
tonight
I'll
have
at
least
some
understanding
of
those
things
that
are
still
very
important
to
you
and
how
they
should
work
their
themselves
in
my
list
of
things
to
do
as
more
work
is
added.
E
I
would
like
to
go
through
these
a
section
by
section
if
that
worked,
for
you
to
find
out
if
these
requests
are
still
important
and
if
so,
where
they
should
be
sequenced
in
my
list
of
things
to
do
and
to
the
on
the
other
side
of
that,
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
you
have
additional
things
that
you
will
want
me
to
work
on.
So
I
like
to
learn
about
those
tonight
figure
out
how
they
work
relative
to
the
things
that
are
already
pending
and
finally
going
forward.
E
How
would
you
like
me
to
manage
your
priority
list,
the
one
that
we
formulate
today?
In
other
words,
should
I
come
back
to
council
periodically
and
say:
listen
since
we
formulated
this
pending
list
of
priorities,
additional
other
priorities
have
come
up.
How
do
you
want
me
to
work
those
in
or
shall
I
exercise
some
discretion
and
manage
the
priority
list
based
on
what's
before
me
at
any
given?
Given
period
of
time,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
us
answering
those
questions
I'll
ask
mike
mike.
E
Do
you
want
me
to
handle
this
going
down
the
list
one
by
one
or
shall
I
just
open
the
floor
and
listen
to
whatever
council
has
to
offer
relative
to
not
only
this
list
but
things
that
they
brought
into
the
meeting.
B
I
think
that's,
I
think
that's
really
going
to
be
up
to
to
you
and
council,
I
might.
My
thought
process
would
be.
I
think,
you've
done
a
good
job
of
categorizing
them
as
the
a-list.
B
The
city
council
list
those
things
that
are
high
priority
for
the
council
and
then
the
b
list,
which
is
everything
that's
coming
out
of
the
senior
administration
of
the
city
and
maybe
department
by
department,
so
maybe
just
go,
buy
it
in
groupings
and
see
if
the
council
has
any
thoughts
or
insight
into
what
they're
seeing
in
each
of
those
groupings,
starting
with
the
city
council,
the
first
eight
items
that
sandy
has
has
come
to
realize
she's
inherited,
which
is
everything
from
home-based
business
regulation
through
doing
an
mou
for
opioid
litigation
and
everything
in
between
that's
on
the
list.
B
In
december
and
we've
not
yet
addressed
that,
along
with
a
handful
of
other
issues,
so
so,
maybe
just
in
terms
of
starting
with
that
first
section
is
there:
any
council
sees
that's
either
missing
that
list
or
any
specific
insight
you
want
to
give
her.
With
regards
to
the
eight
that
she
sees
in
front
of
her
as
council
priorities.
E
And
I
certainly
didn't
want
to
sort
of
defer
to
mike
on
the
the
priorities.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
approached
this
in
the
manner
that
he
thought
was
best
for
the
conduct
of
the
meeting.
So
mayor,
hoffman
and
other
members
of
council
I'd
like
to
go
through
this
list
and
then
as
we
go
through
it,
you
can
add
more
and
you
can
maybe
further
explain
to
me
what
you
were
envisioning
when
this
was
originally
put
on
the
city
attorney's
list.
So
the
first
thing
I
have.
F
Sandy,
I'm
sorry,
can
I
interrupt
you
really
quick?
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
share
your
screen
or
something
where
we
can
actually
see
the
list
instead
of
just
because
I
mean
we
can
pretty
quickly
assess
some
things
just
visually.
Is
that
an
option.
F
A
B
E
You
very
good,
so
thank
you
mike,
and
so,
if
we
start
at
that
first
item
under
city
council,
we
have
home-based
business
regulation
and
the
context
in
which
I
got
that
or
what
it
was
explained
to
me
is
to
basically
to
look
for
our
code
to
see
what
elements
of
a
home-based
business
we
could
still
regulate
in
view
of
some
recent
legislation
out
of
the
florida
legislature.
So
that's
the
context
in
which
I
have
it
listed
here.
I
I
have
my
hand
raised,
I'm
the
only
one
what
I
was
gonna
say
was
and
looking
at
I'm
looking
at
it
from
35
000
feet.
I
like
six,
seven
and
eight
as
as
priorities
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
in
the
opioid
litigation.
I
For
me
when
it
comes
to
that
grouping,
also
stepping
back,
I
like
the
idea
of
you
just
you
know
delegating
or
your
discretion,
rather
your
discretion
of
of
how
you
want
to
handle
these
things.
As
your
workload
comes
in,
I
think
you're
quite
capable
of
doing
that,
and
you
should
be
the
one
doing
that
not
not
bringing
it
to
us.
So
that's
my
feelings
on
grouping
a
and
your
discretion.
E
The
counselor
jensen,
would
you
keep
them
in
that
order.
E
J
Oh
thanks,
george,
I
was
just
about
to
say
I
don't
know
which
one
of
us
was
first
sandy.
I
agree
with
dan.
I
think
you,
you
know,
utilize
your
discretion
and
what
you
need
to.
I
think
it's
something
that
I
recognized
during
the
interview
process
and
I
think
that
you
can
use
your
discretion
to.
J
You
know,
decide
what
is
most
pressing
at
the
time
and
and
and
shuffle
projects
as
need
be.
I
would
agree
with
678
as
being
a
priority.
I
think
my
only
switch
is.
I
would
put
the
lbc
kind
of
number
one
along
with
the
comp
plan,
because
they
do
need
to
work
hand
in
hand,
but
I
think
we
have
some
more
pressing
ldc
issues
such
as
the
outdoor
seating,
and
I
believe
we
talked
about
doing
the
code
of
ethics
training
in
january,
so
with
our
new
board
members.
J
So
you
have
a
little
bit
of
time
there.
When
we
talked
about
the
micro
mobility
ordinance,
you
know
it's
something
that
I
I
really
am
passionate
about.
But
when
we
talked
it's,
you
know
I
didn't
have
a
problem
extending
the
moratorium.
If
need
be,
to
give
you
more
time
and
then
you
know
one
two
and
three,
I
think,
are
things
to
work
on.
As
you
have
time.
E
All
right,
thank
you.
I
thank
you
for
that
and
for
the
other
members
of
council.
E
Let
me
just
loop
you
in
briefly
in
the
conversation
that
I
had
with
councillor
stoats
when
we
met,
we
spoke
in
general
about
the
microbi
micro
mobility
ordinance,
and
we
also
discussed
in
very
short
order,
the
possibility
of
maybe
extending
the
moratorium
for
about
a
90-day
period
so
that
I
could
get
up
to
speed
and
be
able
to
come
into
the
process
and
contribute
in
a
in
a
meaningful
way,
and
we
believed
that
keeping
our
eye
on
being
that
december.
E
D
That's
fine,
I'm
up
next,
and
then
fernando
is
once
I'm
done.
D
I
agree
with
what's
been
said
already,
I'm
thinking
about
prior
one,
you
you're
the
expert,
and
so
a
lot
of
discretion
lies
in
your
court.
How
I
look
at
this
list
here
is
long-term
impact
on
the
city
or
it's
or
the
weight
and
or
the
weight
of
what
each
one
does,
and
so
the
comprehensive
plan
is
key
because
it's
it's
out
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
the
land
development
code
aligns.
D
D
I
don't
see
that
as
taking
as
much
time
because
it's
just
an
mou
and
I
I
would
think
that
coj
would
be
willing
to
you
know,
work
hand
in
hand
to
make
just
make
sure
that
everybody's
made
relatively
wholish
with
what
we've
all
gone
through
with
that
code
of
ethics.
Training
gets
pushed
up
to
the
top
because
not
to
the
top
top
but
close
up
because
of
the
january
time
frame
in
which
we're
looking
at
doing
that.
So
what
I'm?
D
D
Those
are
all
important,
but
they
are
not
critical
at
this
point
in
time,
specifically
with
home-based
businesses
and
short-term
rentals
we're
looking
at
what
kind
of
space
we
still
have
given
how
much
our
hands
are
tied
from
state
legislation,
so
there
we're
just
playing
with
the
margins
and
then
the
balloons.
It's
a
huge
environmental
piece,
but
it's
important,
but
there
are
other
things
that
are
more
important
for
the
long-term
health
and
vitality
of
the
city.
G
Yes,
I'm
with
councilmember
chet
stokes
on
number
six
number,
seven
being
going
hand
in
hand
and
being
on
the
top
priorities,
and
obviously
you
know
the
court
effect
is
training
move
somewhat
to
the
top
and
then
everything
else
just
follows
in
line
obviously
home-based
business
regulation.
G
E
So
when
we
move
down
members
of
council
to
the
planning
and
development
department,
you'll
see
that
the
comp
plan
and
the
land
development
code,
while
they're
not
specifically
mentioned
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are,
are
to
be
addressed.
There
falls
into
some
of
the
revisions
that
are
anticipated
or
foreseen
for
the
ldc.
E
H
Yeah
sandy
well
and
for
our
for
all
my
colleagues.
My
question
is,
with
regard
to
the
comp
plan
in
the
ldc,
how
much
of
sandy's
how
much
of
sandy's
time
is
going
to
be
involved
in
that
versus
a
consultant,
because
I
believe
I've
heard
that
there
that
that
that
would
be
something
that
we
would
be
looking
into
is
a
consultant
to
help
us
work
through
the
comp
plan
and
ldc
review.
B
I
can
I
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
that.
I
can
tell
you
that
in
my
conversations
with
heather-
and
I
know
she's
on
the
call
listening-
we
are
looking
at
bringing
in
an
outside
consultant
to
assist
with
both
of
those
processes,
preferably
using
the
same
firm
for
both,
and
the
goal
would
be
that
whoever
does
the
comp
plan.
Work
is
also
doing
the
ldc
work,
so
they
can
make
clear
linkage
between
the
two
knowing
what
was
done
in
one
and
needs
to
be
carried
over
to
the
other.
B
With
regards
to
sandy's
specific
involvement,
if
we're
using
a
legal
firm,
she
obviously
would
be
involved
in
some
of
the
attorney
oversight
of
that
sub-attorney.
That
would
be
working
for
the
city
if
it
is
a
a
planning.
Consulting
firm
that
we
are
using
sandy
will
probably
be
taking
a
look
at
some
of
their
work
product
for
legal
conformity,
because
we'll
probably
go
through
things
sections
at
a
time.
So
really
until
we
know
who
we're
using
and
what
their
specific
skill
set
is.
B
E
B
Have
them
identified
as
strategic
plan
initiatives
because
they
were
two
items
identified
by
council
and
heather
has
already
started
assembling
an
rfq
to
get
that
ball
rolling
right
as
we
wrap
up
the
charter
review
elements.
So
after
the
first
of
the
year,
specifically
when
we
don't
know,
but
sometime
after
the
first
of
the
year,
we'll
be
diving
into
the
comp
plan.
E
I
think
I
do
remember
heather
mentioning
bringing
on
a
consultant
and
I
think,
in
view
of
the
extended
comments
shared
by
the
city
manager,
we
might
want
to
consider
for
the
moment
just
having
those
particular
items,
six
and
seven
sort
of
taken
off
the
a
priority
as
for
me,
and
then
it
just
sort
of
working
itself
into
my
schedule
as
a
review
and
approval,
whether
it's,
if
it's
with
a
a
consulting
firm,
that's
mostly
technically
based
the
review
and
approval
would
be
more
extended.
E
E
That's
one
way
of
looking
at
that,
and
then
we
can
truly
formulate
a
list
of
priorities
that
make
sense
for
for
my
office
in
in
terms
of
setting
expectations,
because
you
know
my
view
coming
into
this
was
that
there
would
be
a
a
lot.
More
oversight
might
be
the
wrong
word,
but
certainly
a
lot
more
involvement
in
terms
of
my
time
on
these
two
particular
projects.
If
that's
not
the
case,
you
know
maybe
setting
it
as
a
priority
is
a
misnomer.
E
H
I
apologize,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt.
No,
I'm
sorry.
H
I
would
just
say,
though
I
think
that-
and
I
I
for
the
record,
the
comp
plan
and
the
ldc
review
is
is
is
important
for
me
as
well,
and
I
think
that
maybe
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we
need
you
to
just
make
sure
that
you
that
that
you
keep
it
a
priority
as
far
as
what
you're
doing
whatever
your
role
is
and
and
then
you
know
the
other
things
you
know,
if
there's
some
other
things
that
that
you
need
to
spend
more
time
on
that's
fine,
but
the
comp
plan
in
ldc
when
it
comes
to
those
things.
H
E
Sure-
and
I
I
guess
what
I'm
I'm
trying
to
get
clarity
on,
I
think
it's
it's
wonderful,
that
this
is
a
priority,
but
again
from
my
standpoint,
if
it's
identified
as
a
priority
for
me,
the
focus
would
be
on
sort
of
the
the
demand
of
time
and
what
has
to
be
carved
out
in
my
schedule
on
any
given
day.
I'm
certainly
recognizing
it
as
something
that's
time
for
time
sensitive
and
a
priority
for
counsel
if
it
comes
across.
My
desk,
of
course,
is
going
to
get.
E
You
know
immediate
attention,
but
when
I
look
at
a
list
of
priorities,
it's
like
what
do
you
have
to
do
and
is
there
a
deadline
that
you
have
to
achieve,
rather
than
to
sort
of
monitor
what
is
going
on
by
other
attorneys?
Even
that
could
take
several
months.
It
just
kind
of
throws
the
sort
of
the
treatment
of
priorities
off
when
things
really
don't
require
that
level
of
attention
on
a
day-to-day
today
basis
or
that
degree
of
you
know
involvement.
E
So
if
you
can
keep
that
in
mind,
just
from
my
perspective,
I'd
appreciate
that,
and
so,
even
though
this
might
come
off
my
list
of
priorities,
it
doesn't
mean
it's
less
important
to
the
organization
and
that
it's
going
to
be
parked
over
in
the
corner.
It
just
simply
means
that
where
your
involvement
is
required
sandy,
this
is
not
the
place,
but
we
do
want
you
involved.
You
know
whatever
that
means,
so
I
I
I
just
need
that
kind
of
feedback
in
this
moment,
if
that's
possible.
H
And
then
the
other,
the
only
other
thing,
I
would
add,
I
sorry
georgette,
I
I
georgette's
got
her
hand
up
so
she'll
be
next.
Just
to
add
a
few
more
comments,
the
micro
mobility
ordinance.
I
would
just.
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
if
we
extend
the
moratorium
and
I
I
think
we're
we're
all
probably
thinking
about
this.
H
You
know
it's
something
that
we
need
to
decide
do
we
want
to
try
to
get
this
address
before
the
peak
season
starts
up
again,
you
know,
and
and
so
that
may
put
some
kind
of
time
frame
on
it.
You
know
when
we
start
to
have
visitors
coming
to
the
city.
You
know
in
larger
numbers,
which
may
be
more
in
the
april
time
frame,
maybe
or
something
like
that.
Otherwise
yeah,
the
home-based
businesses
and
the
regulations
short-term
vacation
rentals.
H
I
mean
those
are
things
that
they're,
not
major
efforts,
really
that
you
know
because
they
are
what
they
are.
But
my
feeling
about
the
short-term
rentals
is
just
whatever,
whatever
oversight
may
be
needed
because
we're
not
having
we're
not
having
good
compliance
with
our
regulation
that
is
in
place
and
then
to
ms
dumont's
point.
The
the
balloons
and
the
sky
lanterns
are
important
environmentally.
D
Yeah,
since
with
how
you've
reframed
this
with
knocking
out
six
and
seven
as
waiting,
you
know,
oversight
of
what
the
external
attorney
does
code
of
ethics
training
goes
right
up
to
the
top.
That
is
something
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
council
and
appointed
officials
all
know
what
it
means
and
how
it
relates
to.
D
For
me,
that's
critical,
then,
after
that
it
would
micro,
mobility,
I'm
okay
with
that
getting
pushed
off
a
bit
until,
as
ms
golding
noted
closer
to
peak
time,
depending
on
on
your
time
frame.
D
So
I'm
going
code
of
ethics.
Training
for
me
is
key.
Oversight
of
comprehensive
and
land
development
code
is
also
very
important.
The
others.
D
I
think
I
would
leave
it
in
your
discretion
when
you
think
because
they're
all
important,
but
you
would
know
how
you
can
fit
those
best
to
balance
out
council
demands,
as
well
as
with
department
needs,
because,
as
a
council,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
all
our
departments
are
legally
sound.
They
understand
the
risk
of
what
they
do.
What
of
what
they're
facing,
and
I
think
by
giving
you
a
little
bit
more
leeway
to
give
you
some
more
time
to
focus
on
what
the
departments
need.
D
D
It
might
take
a
couple
more
rules
away
and
is
that
the
best
use
of
your
time
for
the
city,
given
all
of
the
issues
that
our
residents
are
dealing
with
at
this
time,
so
comprehensive,
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
as
they
cross
your
board
or
your
desk,
but
elise
will
put
it
on
your
board.
Code
of
ethics.
D
E
Ma'am,
thank
you.
Counselor
golding.
H
Yeah,
I
would
just
add,
and
follow
up
to
what
mr
mont
just
said
about
the
short-term
rentals,
regardless
of
what
the
state
does.
We
have
regulations
that
we
passed
a
couple
of
years
ago.
Those
regulations
were
passed
to
protect
our
our
residential
neighborhoods,
and
I
to
me
if
we
have
short-term
rentals
that
are
not
complying
with
our
regulations.
That
impacts
our
community
negatively,
and
so
I
really
don't
see
that
as
being
something
that
we
just
don't
look
at,
because
the
state
may
do
something
with
it.
I
feel
we
have
to
we.
H
It
need
it's
something
that
we
have
to
stay
on
top
of
because
it
impacts
quality
of
life,
and
so
you
know
I
just
don't
want
to.
D
Isn't
that
more
of
a
compliance?
It's
not
creating
new
regulations?
It's
it's
implementing
the
regulation
that
we
already
have,
which
falls
outside
the
city
attorney
and
more
into
the
different
departments
that
should
be
or
hopefully
would
be,
implementing
the
ordinance
that
we
already
have,
but
but.
H
F
D
E
May
I
jump
in
on
this
one
I'd
like
to
go
through
what
the
local
regulations
are
and
see
if
I
view
the
office's
involvement
in
compliance
other
than
maybe
going
before
the
special
magistrate
on
a
some
kind
of
code,
violation
or
violation.
E
That's
the
only
thing
I
can
see
right
now.
If
there
are
existing
regulations
and
the
senses,
compliance
would
be
the
only
thing
that
we
have
in
play
going
forward.
In
view
of
the
state
legislation,
I
can
report
back
to
council.
In
terms
of
you
know
what
my
opinion
is,
what
my
view
is
in
terms
of
the
potential
demand
on
this
office
relative
to
short-term
rentals.
If
that
is
something
that
you
like
to
hear,
I
can
communicate
that
via
email
or
make
a
report
to
you
verbally
at
one
of
your
your
future
briefings.
E
Does
that
work
for
all
of
you
or
that
works
for
me,
okay,
so
I'll
just
get
with
mike
to
see
you
know
what
times
are
available
on
the
briefing
schedule
to
see
if
I
can
get
some
time
to
report
back
to
you
and
it
shouldn't
take
a
lot
of
my
time
to
just
look
and
opine
and
if
it,
if
it
is,
as
I
suspect,
just
going
into
either
court
or
the
special
magistrate
for
enforcement.
E
However,
I
met
with
every
one
of
these
directors,
since
I
I
arrived
and
all
of
these
items
that
fall
below
their
direct,
their
departments
are
matters
that
are
still
of
priority
for
them,
so
many
of
them
I've
started
to
work
on
in
the
instance
of
the
city
clerk
I've,
given
her
a
deadline
for
me
producing
the
information
that
she's
requested
by
november
19..
E
If
you
go
down
to
the
finance
director's
section,
there
are
a
lot
of
things,
many
of
them,
which
will
take
some
time,
but
I've
already
started
to
meet
with
her
staff
in
terms
of
formulating
the
changes
that
are
necessary
for
their
the
city's
procurement
policy
and
manual,
and
from
that
we
will
make
amendments
to
the
ordinance
I've
collected
all
of
the
bid
documents.
E
I've
collected
the
existing
contracts
that
need
to
be
revised
over
time
and
also
I've
got
the
file
for
the
dial
arise.
So
there's
quite
a
bit
of
work.
That's
already
started
relative
to
these
many
items
in
terms
of
a
deadline.
E
The
the
most
important
item
for
finance
is
the
the
updated
procurement
manual
and
again,
coupled
with
the
amendments
to
the
procurement
ordinance
we
have.
We
are
shooting
for
a
six-month
time
frame
on
that.
I
don't
think
we'll
need
six
months,
but
she
said
no,
no
more
than
six
months
from
now
she'd
like
to
have
an
adopted,
amended
ordinance.
E
So
that's
what
we'll
be
working
on
as
a
long-term
priority
in
that
department
on
a
more
shorter
term
deadline
is
number
a
so
we
have
a
tyler
munich
software
system.
We've
obviously
entered
into
a
fairly
involved
agreement,
some
of
that
agreement
provided
terms
for
which
we
have
not
been
able
to
utilize
for
a
number
of
reasons.
E
E
We
will
meet
that
and
I'm
sure,
by
that
time
we
will
have
met
all
these
other
deadlines
for
production
as
well
under
the
fire
marshal,
which
follows
that
that
opinion
has
already
been
issued.
So
it's
something
that
can
be
marked
off
the
list
of
things
to
do.
E
E
I
believe
that
to
you
is
something
that
can
be
done
within
a
relatively
short
period
of
time,
the
things
that
might
take
some
time
simply
because
they're,
not
very
the
the
control
or
the
pace
of
the
work,
isn't
really
controlled
by
all
internal
forces
or
those
projects
that
are
falling
falling
below
the
planning
and
development
department.
E
If
you
look
in
the
middle
of
that
line
of
request,
the
monitoring
assisting
has
requested
for
the
beach
marine
development
agreement
or
agreement
relative
to
adventure
landing
development
agreement,
all
of
these
things
are
require
a
lot
of
coordination
with
people
who
are
outside
of
the
city,
whether
it's
the
developer's
attorney
the
developers,
representatives
or
other
factors.
So
as
with
the
revisions
for
the
ldc
and
the
comp
plan,
the
city
has
already
utilized
the
services
of
outside
council
and
the
instance
of
the
beach
marine
development
agreement.
E
I
was
privileged
to
sit
in
on
a
discussion
with
outside
council
on
that
about
a
week
ago,
and
I
will
continue
to
monitor
those
items
that
are
being
handled
by
outside
counsel,
but
I
I
don't
see
that
as
taking
or
those
particular
items
as
taking
a
great
deal
of
my
time
other
than
to
sort
of
offer
insights
to
my
client
and
have
those
passed
on
to
the
outside
counsel.
E
But
the
format
deeds
will
be
relatively
easy
to
draft,
with
a
consultation
with
the
planning
to
director
to
make
sure
that
what
she
wants
to
happen
and
propose
to
counsel
to
approve
is
what
is
actually
being
reflected
in
the
documents,
but
in
terms
of
time
pressures.
I
don't
think
those
things
will
take
a
lot
of
time.
The
last
item
on
this
of
the
creation
or
the
possibility
of
creating
a
new
zoning
classification
she's
already
identified
the
possibility
of
utilizing
outside
counsel
or
an
outside
technical
firm
to
help
us
in
this
regard.
E
So
again,
my
role
relative
to
5f
will
be
that
of
basically
oversight
and
then
reviewing
approval
at
the
back
end
of
the
process.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
on
that
particular
section,
I'm
certainly
open
to
hear
those
because
of
just
the
impact.
Planning
and
development
has
not
only
on
council's
list
of
priorities,
but
also
the
city
as
a
whole.
E
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
hands
there.
We
wrote
down
to
public
works.
This
is
an
assignment
that
has
been
satisfied
in
the
the
draft
assignment
that
was
prepared
was
prepared
with
an
eye
of
to
using
it
as
a
template
and
future
assignment.
E
So
council
will
actually
end
up
getting
a
bird's
eye
view
of
this
particular
form,
because
in
this
particular
instance,
the
the
assignment
needs
to
be
approved
by
council
and
as
an
aside
because
of
the
the
terms
of
the
underlying
agreement,
the
city
will
get
a
25
000
assignment
fee
to
to
consent.
So
we're
kind
of
pleased
with
that
outcome,
but
that
assignment
has
been
completed
since
this
list
was
prepared.
E
These
are
pretty
much
old
claims
and
I
I
don't
think
any
of
them.
The
most
recent
is
this
june
5
2020.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
some
claims
are
coming
in
as
we
speak,
but
these
were
the
claims
in
place
at
the
time.
The
list
was
prepared,
as
in
terms
of
the
7a
there's
a
possibility
that
time
is
run
on
that,
but
we
are.
E
We
are
working
through
our
our
third
party
risk
management
management
company,
and
so
those
claims
aren't
being
handled
directly
by
the
city
attorney's
office,
but
we
are
keeping
an
eye
out
on
how
they're
being
processed.
E
So
those
were
the
things
in
combination
that
were
informed
to
me
when
I
came
on
board
supplement
it
since
I've
been
on
board
and
I've
gotten
several
requests
since,
but
we're
handling
those
in
the
fashion
that
I
would
any
other
in
other
positions
where
work
came
in
and
I
needed
to
get
it
out
in
a
timely
fashion.
E
So
again,
I'm
open
to
hear
what
additional
things
you
would
like
me
to
put
on
my
plate
and
also
hear
the
expectations
for
turning
around
requests
in
the
future,
and
I
do
see
that
counselor
dumont
had
her
hand
up.
D
Yeah,
the
what
I
don't
see
on
here
is
the
billboard
case
and
linked
with
the
billboard
case
is
the
case
of
mini
billboards
on
the
bus
seats,
the
bus
benches,
although
I
think
that
a
lot
of
them
are
down
now,
I
last
time
I
went,
I
don't
leave
the
house
too
much,
but
last
time
last
couple
times
I've
gone
out.
I
haven't
seen
them,
but
I
could
not
be
looking
in
the
same
places
that
I
saw
them
in
in
the
past.
D
Both
cases
are
integral
in
the
relationship
between
jack
beach
and
the
county,
because
in
both
instances
the
entities
who
are
advertising
have
contracts
with
the
with
jacksonville
or
duval
county,
but
those
contracts
go
outside
what
rldc
says
you
can
have,
but
because
it's
because
it's
a
county
contract,
they're
saying
they
can
have
a
billboard
out
here
or
they
can
have
those
large
signs
advertising
on
our
bus
benches.
I
guess
is
what
I'll
call
them.
D
I
didn't
see
that
on
here
and
I
know
that's
kind
of
a
big
one,
because
we
have
one
billboard
in
the
city
one
and
it
fell
down
in
a
hurricane
and
they
put
it
back
up
in
the
shadiest
way
possible
and
we're
trying
to
get
it
back
down
now.
Okay,.
E
There
there
was
a
mention
and
I'm
I'm,
I'm
gonna
at
a
loss
as
to
whether
or
not
it
came
with
a
case
name
at
the
time,
but
there
was
there
was
a
mention
that
there
was
a
bill's
billboard
case
pending,
but
it
was
pending
on
appeal
and,
as
I
understand
it,
the
was
going
to
say
the
billboard
owner
had
lost
at
every
step
in
the
appellate
process,
and
the
only
issue
that
was
remaining
unresolved
was
a
payment
that
was
due
to
the
city.
E
That's
the
recollection
of
the
billboard
case.
Again,
as
I
rem,
I
remember
it
at
this
moment.
I
can
get
some
specifics
for
you
through
elise,
who's
been
just
wonderful
and
and
have
her
update
me
on
all
of
the
pending
billboard
cases
and
then
pass
that
on
to
you
all
just
to
make
sure
that
you
have
an
accurate
status
of
what
where
things
are,
but
my
understanding
is
whatever
it
was
out.
There
is
really
sort
of
in
a
whole
pattern
and
then
whole
pattern
at
the
appellate
level.
D
B
You
may
remember:
there
was
a
shade
meeting
months
ago
that
I
believe
brought
council
up
to
speed
with
where
we
were
at
and
sandy
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
right
now.
It's
kind
of
in
a
hold
pattern,
while
they're
going
through
what
I
think
would
basically
be
their
last
exhaustive
appeal,
because
really
the
next
step
after
that
would
be
state
supreme.
I'm
not
sure
the
state
supreme
court
is
going
to
hear
that
particular
case.
B
So
we
are
in
a
bit
of
a
holding
pattern
on
that
one
in
particular,
so
sandy's
involvement
is
really
oversight
of
the
outside
council,
since
we
do
have
outs
outside
council
representing
us
on
that
one.
The
issue
with
the
benches
I'll
I'll
check
with
code
enforcement
tomorrow.
That
was
really
more
of
a
code
enforcement
issue
from
a
starting
point.
I
believe
at
this
point
we
have
achieved
voluntary
compliance.
I
believe
those
signs
have
come
down
off
of
the
benches.
B
I
think
I
had
reference
to
several
of
you
that
the
city
of
jacksonville
was
in
litigation
with
the
company,
that
was
posting
the
signs
on
the
bus,
shelter
on
the
bus
benches,
and
we
did
have
a
consult
with
one
of
our
attorneys
which
I
won't
go
into.
But
for
the
long
and
short
of
it
is,
we
were
starting
to
go
down
the
code
enforcement
path
with
the
company
and
I
believe
we
ultimately
achieve
voluntary
compliance.
But
I'll
confirm
that
we'll
let
you
know.
D
E
So
what
I
got
from
tonight's
meeting
is
that,
based
just
on
removing
the
ldc
and
the
comp
plan
over
to
another
column
as
sort
of
the
top
at
the
top
rung
of
monitoring
for
timeliness
through
the
departments
through
outside
counsel
or
outside
experts,
my
role
will
be
basically
review
and
approve.
E
The
first
item
based
on
time
would
be
the
code
of
ethics,
which
is
the
code
of
ethics
training
scheduled
in
january
and
then
followed
by
that,
and
if
we
go
back
up
to
that
list
mike
again
based
on
a
temporal
standard,
because
the
season
the
beach
season
will
be
starting
in
a
few
months.
I
would
think
that
the
micro
mobility
ordinance
issue
would
kind
of
work
its
way
up
in
that
second
position,
because
it
has
to
go
through
so
many
levels
of
well.
E
First
of
all,
there's
the
drafting
part
of
this,
but
also
to
bring
it
back
to
council
for
council
to
discuss
and
further
consider
in
terms
of
not
only
the
moratorium,
but
also
as
an
option
as
to
what
you
replace
the
existing
legislation
with,
if
anything
or
as
an
option,
to
be
labeled
as
a
as
a
a
pilot
program.
However,
you
want
to
see
it
but
again,
because
the
beach
season
is
going
to
start
relatively
soon.
We
need
to
kind
of
look
at
the
timeline
that
we
don't
control
and
sort
of
act
accordingly.
E
So
the
micro
mobility
ordinance
to
me
kind
of
moves
up
to
that
second
position
and
then
relative
to
the
other
items
that
are
not
six
and
seven
the
opiate
litigation.
My
office
really
is
sort
of
in
a
whole
pattern
until
we
get
something
from
jax
jacksonville.
E
E
But
that's
where
I
see
it:
code
of
ethics,
micro,
mobility,
sky
lantern
legislation,
and
also
to
sort
of,
in
that
same
time,
frame
report
back
to
council
on
the
city,
involvement,
the
sea,
attorney's,
involvement
relative
to
enforcing
short-term
rental
regulation
and
also
just
simply
again,
to
tie
the
not
on
the
home
base
business
regulations,
see
if
there's
something
available
at
the
local
level
that
we
can
still
exercise
some
degree
of
authority
all
over
in
view
of
the
state
legislation.
E
D
Sandy
councilmember,
jansen
and
golding
both
also
have
their
hands
up
and
seeing
thumbs
up.
But
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see.
E
I
I
Also
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
feel
like
well
for
myself
and
I
feel
like
them
getting
the
same
from
my
colleagues
is
that
we
trust
your
discretion
and
the
priority
of
things
here,
so
we're
going
to
rely
on
your
discretion
to
to
moving
forward.
At
least
I
will-
and
I
think
that
that
we
can
trust
in
in
your
decision
making
moving
moving
forward
with
all
these
items.
H
And
sandy,
I
would
just
add
sorry,
I
I
I
think
what
you
what
you
stated
as
the
priorities
I
mean.
I
think
that
sounds
good
to
me,
based
on
what
everyone
has
said
to
this
point.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
mention
that
I-
and
this
was
something
that
ms
dumont
brought
up
at
one
of
our
meetings
and
I
don't
see
it
on
the
planning
and
development
list,
but
that
has
to
do
with
parking
for
town
homes.
H
B
That's
actually
that's
actually
going
to
be
a
planning
and
development
initiative.
They'll
actually
bring
that
to
a
briefing
after
the
first
of
the
year
for
discussion
with
council.
There
will
be
some
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
with
sandy
behind
the
scenes
to
make
sure
that
what
staff
ultimately
brings
forward
from
a
proposal
perspective
is
legal,
but
that's
basically
going
to
be
initiated
by
heather
and
her
staff.
F
F
So
I'm
sorry,
I
wasn't
able
to
weigh
in
earlier,
but
I
just
wanted
to
echo
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
to
say
that
we
really
do
rely
on
your
judgment
on
prioritization
and
reshuffling
of
things
and
that
you'll
know
when
you
need
to
kind
of
check
in
with
us.
F
If,
if
you
start
peeling
the
onion-
and
it
is
a
much
bigger
project
than
what
you
initially
thought-
and
I
do
think
that
that
was
part
of
what
happened
with
short-term
vacation
rentals
was
that
the
the
amount
of
non-compliance
was
a
lot
more
than
what
was
originally
anticipated.
But
I
think
that's
something
to
to
be
worth
looking
into.
But
if
you
start
opening
something
up
and
it's
a
lot
more,
you
know
I.
I
would
trust
you
to
check
in
with
us
on.
Do
we
want
you
to
keep
putting
in
your
valuable
staff
time?
F
I
also
wanted
to
thank
you,
for
I
know
you
had
help
putting
this
list
together,
but
it
just
shows
a
tremendous
amount
of
of
work
getting
to
know
the
department
heads
and
getting
to
know
the
issues
that
are
facing
them
and
to
be
able
to
even
get
that
list
put
together
and
I'm
you
know
I
know
elise
has
been
keeping
her
finger
on
the
pulse
of
things
that
are
going
on,
but
I
just
thank
you
for
putting
that
together,
and
I
hope
that
this
is
a
document
that
will
you'll
continue
to
update
and
evolve
and
keep
in
front
of
us
periodically,
because
I
think
it'll
be
really
valuable
for
us
to
see
not
just
what's
going
on
the
list,
but
what's
being
accomplished
and
moving
off
of
the
list.
E
B
Good
because
I'm
done
as
well,
unfortunately
with
briefings,
we
always
ask
if
there's
any
actually.
No,
this
wasn't
a
full
briefing.
This
was
a
charter
review,
so
I'm
not
going
to
ask
any
more
questions.
I'm
going
to
tell
everybody.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention
tonight.