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A
Lord,
we
thank
you
for
your
son
jesus
and
the
strength
that
he
provided
to
each
and
every
one
of
us.
Let
me
just
ask
you
for
your
blessings
and
as
we
move
forward
and
guide
our
way
through
growing
this
city,
lord,
we
just
thank
you
for
all
the
blessings
that
you
give
us
please
watch
over
our
first
responders
and
our
militaries
that
deserve
our.
C
D
C
C
C
D
B
C
E
C
Any
other
announcements
from
council
just
like
to
congratulate
our
police
department
for
filling
up
the
next
class
of
citizen
police
academy.
That
starts
next
week.
Do
we
have
any
spots
left?
Are
we
done
done
full
two
spots
left?
So
it's
a
really
great
program.
You
learn
a
lot
about
our
police
department
and
our
community
at
the
same
time,
so
encourage
anybody,
who's
interested
to
look
into
that
on
our
city,
facebook,
page
or
police
department,
facebook,
page
or
website.
C
D
C
B
229,
laura
street
neptune
beach.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
to
you.
I
am
an
ambassador
for
pickleball.
That
means
that
I
support
and
promote
the
game
of
pickleball,
I'm
also
a
nationally
certified
instructor
of
pickleball.
I've
come
to
you
tonight
to
encourage
you
to
provide
more
courts
out
here
on
this
island.
We
have
three
major
cities.
You
have
two
beach
being
your
smallest,
but
they
have
the
most
courts.
Then
donner
park,
which
is
in
atlanta
beach,
has
four
courts
and
they're
getting
ready
to
build
four
more.
B
B
What
I'd
like
to
propose
to
you
all
is
that
you
look
at
your
park
at
south
beach
park
on
the
tennis
court.
You
have
two
painted
floors,
there's
plenty
of
room
to
build
or
paint
very
cheaply,
two
more
ports,
possibly
four.
That
will
give
you
all
at
least
six
scores
right
now
at
jargon
park
at
donner
on
any
given
saturday
morning.
There
will
be
over
a
hundred
people
waiting
to
play
pickleball.
B
D
E
C
And
while
april
is
approaching,
if
everyone
could
just
turn
off
their
cell
phone
silence,
your
cell
phone,
if
you
don't
know
how
to
do
that,
just
find
a
millennial
nearby.
Let
me
know-
and
if
you
can
please
limit
any
discussions
because
it's
it
adds
up
with
this
many
people
in
the
room.
It's
hard
seeing
instructions
saying
that
this
is.
E
Remains
denied
months
after
raining
due
to
the
city's
inadequate
land
development
code
and
lack
of
appropriate
meals
or
variance
process
which
really
should
be
taken
care
of
on
the
city's
time.
Not
my
time,
my
request
should
have
been
approved
immediately
months
ago,
and
I'm
not
sure
why,
because
I
know
it's
not
a
problem
for
the
council,
because
it's
not
your
life
every
day,
but
it
is
my
life
every
single
day
that
I
walk
out.
My
backyard
has
no
privacy
nor
safety.
E
B
B
B
G
E
E
G
B
B
Re-Route,
the
second
avenue
directly
impacts
the
least
property
that
I
currently
hold
the
lease
for,
and
so
being
kind
of
excluded
of
that
conversation.
In
regards
to
how
that's
going
to
impact
my
business.
G
B
B
C
C
I
think
that
that
is
all
of
the
comments
for
general
courtesy
of
the
floor,
so
we
will
move
on
to
our
agenda
items
our
regular
agenda
items
wisconsin.
Would
you
like
to
present
financials.
C
B
H
C
B
B
C
D
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
looking
out
for
the
pension
software.
Is
it
compatible
with
the
new
erp
system
that
noaa,
because
the
hr
system
is
going
to
be
going
online.
B
D
B
E
Jso,
instead
of
us
auctioning
it,
which
then
you'd
be
getting
money,
what
we
are
doing
is
we're
getting
that
free
training
in
exchange
for
these
vehicles
for
them
to
use,
so
it
ends
up
being
a
net
gain
for
us
over
the
long
term
when
we
look
at
it
financially.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
said
thank
you
for
including
that
and
make
sure
everybody
else
knows
about.
J
Yes,
chief
smith,
thank
you
for
incorporating
the
pit
maneuvers
I've
seated
myself
done
we're
used
to
living
that
day
and
it's
a
good
maneuver
to
happen.
C
B
B
H
This
is
the
second
public
hearing
for
the
beach
agreement.
I
don't
have
anything
new
to
report.
The
agent
for
the
property
owner
developer
is
here
as
long
as
as
well
as
the
engineer
for
city
of
jacksonville.
If
you
have
any
follow-up
questions,
this
development
agreement
was
approved
by
city
of
jacksonville
last
tuesday
at
their
regular
council
meeting,
but
I
will
respond
to
the
comments
from
the
restaurant
owner.
K
J
D
Animal
control-
I
think
everything
that's
occurring
right
now-
is
on
private
property
and
right
now
there's
nothing.
That's
actually
definitely
the
case.
At
this
point,
I
believe
we'll
probably
have
conversations
with
them
with
mr
heinlein
as
a
representative
for
the
property
owner
to
make
sure
that,
as
we
approach,
construction
activities
that
give
you
the
same
environmental
care.
G
G
Just
for
the
record,
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
and
and
get
your
comments
regarding
the
sierra
club's
concerns.
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
to
our
headline.
1301
high.
B
D
In
writing,
which
I
assume
we're
happy
to
meet
with
them
and
and
involve
them
as
we
move
forward
with
the
design
and
permitting
of
the
road,
the
additional
parking
etc.
B
I
Today,
in
its
current
condition,
we
will
be.
B
And
city
of
jacksonville
beach
and
the
design
and
permitting
of
the
road
any
as
I've
said
at
the
beginning
of
my
email
back
to
the
sierra
club.
As
I.
D
Said
a
couple
weeks
ago
there
will
be
a
net
gain
of
conservation,
protected
property,
not
not
a
decrease,
but
a
net
increase
of
conservation,
protected
property.
That
was
a
concern
of
theirs.
They
also
had
a
concern
that
it
would
that
the
large
100
acre
property
needed
to
be
donated
to
the
city
of
jacksonville,
who
made
a
fantastic
recreational.
B
Park
they
wanted
to
make
sure
that
would
be
just
like.
I
said,
passing
recreation.
We
pointed
out
to
them
the
provision
in
the
development
agreement
which
is
before
you,
which
states
that
the
uses
that
the
city
of
jacksonville
and
the
public
put
to
that
land
once
it
was
donated,
must
be
consistent
with
your
with
the
city
of
jacksonville,
beach
conservation,
protected,
comprehensive
plan.
M
Be
by
numerous
environmental
agencies.
G
G
N
N
B
C
L
Those
are
driveway
aprons
entrances
into
properties,
entrances
into
some
of
the
city
properties
on
the
the
west
side
of
tent
and
then
going
all
the
way
down
to
ninth
street
or
ninth
avenue.
South
nice.
L
So
this
project
is
complete.
What
we've
got
done
is,
like
I
said
the
the
the
california
was
competitively
bid.
We
did
receive
four
responses.
This
is
the
the
lowest
qualified
bidders
response,
as
well
as
the
construction
engine
services
by
weights
and
moy.
For
that
overall
project.
There
is.
F
L
Alternate
in
that
for
some
replacement
of
the
potential
horse,
main
sewer
and
or
the
effluent
sewer
line,
we're
not
sure
what
the
condition
of
those
pipes
are,
but
we'll
evaluate
those
and
determine
whether
or
not
we
need
to
replace
either
of
those
before
we
obviously
reconstruct
the
roadway.
D
E
Thank
you,
so
the
residents
in
this
area
are
all
gonna,
be
notified
and
contacted.
So
how
are
we
reaching
out
to
let
them
know
we're
ripping
up
their
neighborhoods.
L
Well,
this
has
all
been
communicated
previously
through
public
meetings
earlier
in
the
phases
before
long
before
I
was
here
but
we'll.
What
we'll
do
is
the
next
pieces
will
be
we're
actually
going
to
have
one
of
our
own
resident
inspectors
to
be
involved
in
this
from
public
works.
They
do
a
fantastic
job
of
communicating
with
all
the
residents
of.
L
What's
going
to
be
done
to
assure
that
everybody
knows,
there's
a
lot
of
parking
issues
here
that
will
have
to
be
addressed
before
we
can
begin
construction,
a
lot
of
excess
parking
issues,
but
ideally
it's
going
to
help
repair
all
those
issues,
especially
with
the
drainage
that
we
have
in
this
particular
area.
E
About
three
years
ago,
one
of
the
businesses
was
having
an
issue
with
the
parking
with
another
business,
and
this
is
because
it's
all
in
the
right
of
way
right.
So
this
is
going
to.
J
L
So
the
amounts
that
have
been
did
have
been
embedded
through
the
process.
They
are
line
items
so
obviously,
if
we
don't
do
particular
items,
we
don't
have
to
pay
for
those
particular
items.
If
we
decide
to
make
changes
in
the
plans
we
can,
we
can
get
credits
back
to
those
again.
That
goes
back
the
other
direction
too.
If
we
have
required
to
do
additional
work,
that
goes
the
other
direction.
I
think
the
highest
bidder
on
this
project
was
a
little
over
9
million
that
was
before
contingencies.
L
So
we
feel
we
have
a
very,
very
good
contractor
for
this
particular
project.
We
do
have
a
bid,
that's
higher
than
what
we
expected,
but
I
think
that's
the
market
that
we're
seeing
right
now.
People
are
having
trouble
with
materials,
people
having
trouble
with
people
being
able
to
get
the
work
done.
So
that's
reflecting
the
bits
that
we're
starting
to
see
back.
A
C
L
We
built
in
the
contingency
for
replacing
one,
so
one
of
those
is
an
effluent
line
which
is
the
clean
water
leaving
our
wastewater
plant.
We
don't
really
expect
to
have
to
have
any
maintenance
on
that,
because
the
acids
and
materials
that
are
in
the
forest
vane
will
cause
the
pipe
to
deteriorate.
So
we
really
believe
that
that
pipe
could
potentially
need
to
be
replaced,
probably
not
going
to
need
to
be
the
other
one.
If
it
does,
we
might
even
be
able
to
slip
line
and
be
able
to
accommodate
that.
So
we.
L
L
They'll
require
some
pumping
and
bypassing
on
the
forced
main
to
be
able
to.
This
is
the
main
force
main
that
feeds
into
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
but
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
is
on
tent,
so
obviously
we
can't
shut
that
off,
so
we
would
have
to
isolate
it
pipe
it
all.
The
way
around
to
be
able
to
continue
operations
with
the
wastewater
plant
same
thing
goes
with
the
up
fluent.
We
would
have
to
get
permission
from
the
ep
to
go
out
the
back
door
for
a
time
period.
L
L
L
N
Mr
steps,
what
is
the
once
we
start
construction,
what's
the
estimated
time
frame
so
that
we
can
convey
any
if
we
get
any
questions.
L
I
think
this
one
again
is
another
12
month
time
frame.
You
know
how
accurate
that
is.
I
know
we're
struggling
with
some
of
our
projects
to
keep
them
on
track
right
now.
Some
of
that
has
been
material
delays,
so
we're
trying
to
work
the
best
we
can
with
all
of
our
contractors
to
be
able
to
address
those
issues
as
best
we
can.
So
I
hope
it's
a
year.
A
lot
of
this
is
commercial
area,
but
there
is
some
residential.
B
L
Okay,
so
my
second
item
is
a
small
item.
It's
for
a
sidewalk
and
driveway
approach.
If
you'll
flip
to
the
next
slide,
this
clerk
so.
D
L
We
have
this
private
property
at
11th
avenue
south
that
were
involved
right
in
the
middle
of
the
last
reconstruction
project
because
of
the
cold
delays
and
what
not
that
happened
over
the
last
couple
years
that
project
got
delayed.
It
should
have
been
included
as
part
of
the
previous
reconstruction
project,
but
because
of
their
delays
they
did
not
and
we
closed
out
that
project
and
moved
on.
They
came
in
and
asked.
If
we
would,
we
would
continue
that
sidewalk
and
help
them
get
that
approach
back
in
for
that
four
unit.
L
Building,
that's
going
back
in
now,
so
we
we
had
their
bid
estimate.
We
did
two
more
additional
bids
and
quotes,
and
we
actually,
our
agreement
in
front
of
you-
is
actually
reimbursed
for
the
lowest
of
our
three
quotes.
But
this
puts
it
back
on
the
contractor
to
actually
do
the
work
so
that
they
can
do
it
as
they
replace
the
curb
and
do
some
other
work
that
they're
required
to
do
to
get
their
occupancy
for
being
able
to.
D
E
D
D
B
C
Yes,
motion
carries
or
we'll
skip
to
the
resolutions
right
now
and
move
with
some
degree
of
case
through
those,
so
we
can
get
back
up
to
j
and
k
and
we'll
start
with
resolution.
A
on
mr
robinson.
D
C
C
H
Good
evening
again
heather
ireland,
planning
and
development
director.
I
know
you
guys
heard
about
this
a
couple
weeks
ago,
but
I'll
refresh
your
memory
of
resolution,
2016
2022,
sorry
2116.42,
is
to
adopt
the
updated
south
end
area
redevelopment
plan.
The
plan
was
originally
adopted
in
1987
and
was
updated
in
2011
with
a
capital
improvements
plan.
It
had
not
been
looked
at
since
and,
as
stated
in
the
memo,
several
of
the
projects
have
either
been
completed
or
outdated,
or
the
technology
has
changed
in
such
a
way
that
the
cra
can
no
longer
fund
them.
H
Projects,
in
addition
to
a
public
works
report
that
identified
some
additional
drainage
and
street
improvements
that
were
needed.
So
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
today
is
to
adopt
the
amended
plan,
the
cra
reviewed
and
adopted
this
at
the
end
of
july,
via
resolution,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
follow-up
questions
that
you
have
from
the
briefing.
C
Thank
you,
mr
ireland,
will
you
read
the
resolution
by
title.
C
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
questions
or
comments
from
council,
seeing
them
at
a
courtroom.
Call.
A
O
C
Yes,
motion
carries:
do
you
want
to
do
a
staff
presentation,
our.
H
Out
I
have
some
slides,
madam
clerk,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
going
to
the
first
slide,
just
help
me
kind
of
explain
the
project,
so
staff
received
an
application
for
a
redevelopment
district
or
rd
rezoning
for
the
property.
That's
up
on
the
screen
that
is
bound
by
1st
street
north
2nd
street
north
fifth
avenue
north
and
fourth
avenue
north.
The.
F
H
For
the
rd
rezoning
is
the
property
owner
and
developers
looking
at
a
phased
project,
with
some
creative
solutions
to
providing
parking
for
the
entire
project
and
I'll
just
kind
of
go
over
that
briefly
with
you,
the
agent
for
the
applicant
is
here
for
any
questions
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
our
discussions
that
I
have
with
you
all
several
of
you
and
also
the
agent
when
I
get
to
that
part,
can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please
there.
Thank
you
so.
H
This
is
a
phased
redevelopment
project
where
phase
one
is
already
complete,
that
is
actually
the
oku
sushi
property
in
the
existing
jay
johnson
gallery.
That's
being
used
for
offices
phase
two
of
this
project
would
redevelop
the
vacant
property
that
sits
currently
between
lynches
and
b
pizza
and
provide
parking
for
those
uses.
H
Phase
three
would
have
a
building
in
conjunction
with
the
parking
on
the
vacant
portion
of
the
block,
that
is
on
the
northwest
corner
and
phase.
Four
of
the
project
would
reimagine
the
gallery
space
from
office
to
restaurant
uses
and
provide
some
additional
office
and
retail
space
just
to
the
north,
where
that
parking
is.
H
H
That
staff
does
by
policy
anyway,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
memorialize
that
in
here
and
the
planning
commission
proposed
a
condition
that
phases
three
and
four
as
it
relates
to
bars
and
restaurants,
that
any
and
outdoor
seating
that
any
ingress
or
egress
orientation
be
oriented
to
the
north
south
and
if
it
is
facing
west,
would
require
conditional
use.
H
H
Discuss
with
you
and
I've
spoken
to
several
of
you
about
this,
either
last
week
or
today,
one
of
the
things
that
really
differs
in
this
particular
rd
rezoning
as
it
compares
to
cbd
zoning
district
is
that
the
applicant
put
in
there
that
they
wanted
to
have
bars
as
they
permitted
use
as
they
first
as
opposed
to
a
conditional
use
as
it
is
allowed
throughout
the
rest
of
the
city.
H
Again,
I
spoke
to
several
of
you
about
it,
and
I've
spoken
to
the
agent
for
the
property
owner,
developer
and
they're,
proposing
that
restaurants
remain
in
permitted
use,
but
then
drinking
establishments
be
moved
to
conditional
use
so
they're
offering
that
up.
In
addition
to,
they
are
comfortable
with
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
in
regards
to
the
orientation
of
some
of
the
outdoor
seating
and
bars
that
anything
facing
westward.
Second
street
would
essentially
require
conditional
use
approval
and
you.
C
Thank
you,
miss
ireland,
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
working
through
the
hearing
text.
Madam
clerk,
will
you
read
the
ordinance.
C
C
Proceeding
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
means
that
a
governing
body
is
now
functioning
in
a
manner
similar
to
a
court
with
a
marine
council
sitting
as
impartial
decision
makers,
hearing
testimony
and
questioning
presenters,
who
are
to
provide
substantial
and
competent
evidence
to
support
their
side
of
the
issue.
It
is
the
duty
of
the
council
to
arrive
at
some
decisions
regarding
the
use
of
the
property
within
the
city.
This
involves
receiving
citizen
input
regarding
the
proposed
use
on
the
on
the
neighborhood,
especially
where
the
input
is
fact
based
and
not
a
simple
expression
of
opinion.
C
It
is
the
applicant's
burden
to
demonstrate
that
his
or
her
application
is
consistent
with
the
land
development
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan
is
that
if
the
applicant
is
successful
in
showing
consistency,
that
is
up
to
local
government
government
to
produce
competent,
substantial
evidence
of
record
that
the
application
should
be
denied.
The
council's
decision
on
rd
rezoning
application
is
based
on
the
criteria
set
forth
in
section
34-347
c3i
of
the
land
development
code,
each
member
of
the
council
has
been
provided
a
copy
of
the
criteria.
C
M
To
the
podium,
thank
you
mayor.
My
name
is
steven.
One
independent
drive,
sweet
1200,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
with
me
tonight,
is
joe
cronk
who's,
the
project
architect
as
well
as
caitlin
taylor
who's.
The
owner's
representative.
M
This
ireland
did
a
great
job
summarizing
the
project
and
out
of
deference
for
the
rest
of
your
agenda
tonight,
I'm
going
to
be
extremely
brief.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
just
going
to
the
one
side
plan
that
shows
the
parking
space
yet
exactly
the
only
thing
I
want
to
point
out
here:
oku,
obviously,
is
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
phase
two
would
be
a
new
restaurant
between
the
pizza
and
lynch's
and
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner.
M
We
we've
called
out
the
sea
chasers
a
lot
just
because
they
were
the
former
owners
that
shows
parking
on
the
ground
floor.
There
will
be
a
building,
an
l-shaped
building
that
you
can
kind
of
see
with
the
dotted
lines
that
goes
again
from
sort
of
the
northeast
corner
to
the
west
and
then
down
to
the
southwest
corner
that
building.
M
However,
if
we're
not
able
to
be
off-grid
and
those
parking
spaces
would
be
below
would
be
below
the
building,
and
that
is
what
we
call
phase
three
phase.
Four
again
is
the
existing
building,
where
you
see
in
the
dot
the
dots
where
it
says
courtyard
around
it.
That's
where
we
currently
have
18
parking
spaces,
those
18
parking
spaces
would
go
away
and
the
building
will
be
reconfigured
from
office
to
restaurant.
M
On
the
ground
floor,
the
property
owner
that
owes
all
this
property
actually
has
his
office
on
the
second
and
third
floors,
and
those
would
remain
unchanged.
The
uses
heather
described
are
exactly
right.
The
one
the
uses
heather
described
are
exactly
right.
The
one
comment
that
we
had
at
planning
commission
and
then
also
councilman
janssen
called
me
about
this
last
week,
was
concerned
regarding
the
bar
use
right
now.
M
There
are
no
licenses
available
in
jacksonville
beach,
but
we
wrote
that
in
that
you
said,
because
we
thought
it
was
appropriate
with
the
mixed
use.
Nature
of
this
block,
but
out
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
from
residents
and
mr
jansen,
we
moved
bars
from
being
a
permit
of
use
to
a
conditional
use.
So
if
we
asked
for
bar
use
anywhere
within
this
development,
that
would
require
us
to
come
back
and
seek
a
conditional.
The
approval
of
a
traditional
use,
application
now-
and
I
want
to
be
clear.
M
The
bar
is
a
stand-alone
bar,
so
their
restaurants
will
be
permitted.
Restaurants
have
bars
in
them,
but
if
there's
a
standalone
bar
or
stand-alone
wine
bar,
for
example,
those
would
require
additional
approvals
and
notice,
and
everyone
in
the
neighborhood
would
be
notified
for
additional
public
hearings.
M
M
The
conditions
we
drafted
some
language
very
specific
to
address
the
planning
commission
language,
as
well
as
the
cra
condition,
and
we
provided
that
to
miss
ireland,
we're
prepared
to
go
over
that
in
detail.
If
you
want
tonight
or
for
purposes
tonight,
we'll
represent
that
we're
in
agreement
with
their
conditions
that
they
represented.
M
C
Mr
diva,
now
next
we'll
open
the
hearing
for
testimony
from
other
interested
parties.
I
do
not
have
any
speaker
cards
on
this,
but
if
anyone
would
like
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
application,
you
can
approach
the
podium
see
none.
If
anyone
would
like
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
application,
you
can
approach
the
podium.
C
So
no
one
in
opposition
to
application
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak
for
or
against
the
application,
city
attorney
or
director
of
planning
cleaning
development.
You
wish
to
respond
to
any
of
the
comments
which
there
weren't
in
but
and
then
applicant.
If
you
wish
to
respond
to
anything,
but
there
wasn't
anything
so
close
enough
now
we
will
announce
export
date,
communications
before
requesting
a
motion
on
this
ordinance,
beginning
with
myself.
Each
of
the
members
is
requested
to
indicate.
C
Of
the
persons
and
the
substance
of
any
ex
parte
communications
regarding
this
application
and
exporting
communication
refers
to
any
meeting
or
discussion
with
a
person
or
citizen
who
may
have
an
interest
in
this
decision
which
occurred
outside
of
the
public
hearing
process.
I'll
begin,
I
had
breakfast
with
mr
dibenell.
Last
week,
tuesday,
we
discussed
essentially
what
he
went
over
here,
as
well
as
several
other
projects
that
he's
working
on
within
the
city
and
mr
stokes.
N
Yeah
david
smith
contacted
me
regarding
the
permitted
in
conditional
use.
I
believe
he
also
sent
an
email
in
as
well,
and
then
I
had
spoken
to
mr
divanow
a
week
or
two
ago
regarding
this
plan
as
well,
addressing
any
questions
and
concerns
and
that's
that's.
It.
E
And
dave
smith
this
evening
went
over
this
project
as
well
as
other
projects,
and
mr
smith's
concerns
were
the
liberal
licenses
and
some
proximity
issues.
J
D
David
smith's
email,
privacy-
and
I
did
I
spoken
with
mr
divanow
about
this
project,
a
while
back
and
potentially
working.
D
A
D
C
C
Thank
you.
First.
E
I
want
to
address
one
of
mr
smith's
concerns
about
not
there
not
being
a
report
from
the
cra
there.
If
that
report
is
the
staff
report
that
is
presented
and
it's
in
the
packet,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
the
process
was
followed
correctly.
E
I
agree
with
the
conditions
the
cra
wanted
on
there.
The
planning
commission
wanted
on
there,
as
well
as
the
switching
the
bars
lounges,
nightclubs,
caverns
and
other
drinking
places
to
a
conditional
use
instead
of
a
permitted
use.
So
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we-
and
this
is,
do
you
want
to
do
all
the
motions
at
the
same
time,
the
one
from
each
one
of
the
agencies
and
that
one
you
want
to
do
them
separately.
C
Let's
do
them
all
together
and
see
how
that
goes.
Okay,.
E
E
C
J
You
said
north
or
south
for
conditional
use,
I'm
assuming
the
second
street
obviously
condition
you
use
because
it
would
be
facing
there's
an
entry
is
correct,
correct
now,
if
we
do
north
now
we're
talking
about
the
parking
lot
or
are
we
talking
about
the
little
the
empty
lot
between
lunches
and
these
pizzas.
E
Oh
that'd
be
empty
and
the
the
what
the
planning
commission
was
concerned
about
was
the
the
condos
just
to
the
west
of
this
property
not
going
to
the
north
or
the
south,
because
they
don't
have
their
presidential
uses
other
than
mr
smith.
Yeah
peace,
okay,.
M
Sure
yeah,
I'm
so
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
didn't
hear
the
condition
permit
outdoor
dining
as
a
part
of
the
restaurant
use.
So
I
would
just
ask
that
that
be.
That
is
that
is
modified
by
the
description
that
councilman
devon
made
regarding
it
facing
to
the
west.
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
in
general,
outdoor
dining
was
permitted
with
the
restaurant
use,
and
that
was
my
only
question
and
she's
naughty.
So
I
take
that.
Thank
you.
E
C
B
D
They
said
a
couple
questions
about
obviously
a
little
concerned
about
that
area,
but
the
parking
in
the
parking
lot,
what
will
be
determined
if
it's
going
to
be
a
building
a
grade
or
a
parking
lot,
because
my
big
concern
is
noise
from
a
parking
lot
late
at
night.
Seeing
that
I
live
right,
there.
M
D
M
M
If
one
of
those
is
chosen
to
be
implemented
in
this
vicinity,
then
what
we
will
do
is
we'll
seek
to
enter
into
some
type
of
arrangement
with
the
city
to
either
lease
spaces
or
buy
spaces
or
something
along
those
lines
so
that,
instead
of
having
you
know
parking
on
the
ground
floor,
you'd
have
a
building
there,
but
but
that
again,
that
is
why
we've
done
this
in
phases
with
a
little
flexibility
so
that
we
can
react
to
whatever
happens
in
the
market.
M
The
other
thing,
the
other
reason
why
this
is
being
done
in
phases,
is
because
we
want
to
have
the
ability
to
move
from
it
may
not
move
phase
one
two,
three
four:
it
may
move
phase
one
phase,
two
phase
four
or
phase
three,
but
it
gives
us
again
the
flexibility
to
react
to
the
market.
For
example,
when
oku
opened,
we
immediately
got
dozens
of
calls
from
extremely
well-known
regional
restaurant
tours
who
wanted
to
have
restaurant
inventory
in
this
facility,
and
so
we
are
trying
to
react
to
that.
M
D
In
this
area,
okay,
as
we
always
control
the
depression,
we're
going
to
get
more
of
a
courtyard
kind
of
area
in
that
in
the
parking
area
similar
to
neptune,
similar
to
neptune
beach.
M
So
it
says
yes
and
we
have
drawings-
I
don't
have
to
go
through.
We
have
drawings
in
them,
but
basically
you
see
where
the
little
circle
is
in
the
kind
of
the
left
hand,
side
and
just
up
to
the
right.
There's
two
handicapped
parking
spaces,
yes
and
then
two
arrows
right
above
that
that
whole
area
yeah
right
there
would
all
be
courtyard
and
green
with
the
building
upgrade
because
there's
no
way
to
to
get
back
there
with
cars.
M
If
we
build
that
raid
so
that
that
would
be
our
ultimate
goal
to
have
that
be
a
courtyard
and
again
we're
it's
hard
to
see
in
this
plan,
but
we're
on
phase
four.
The
jay
johnson
gallery
would
have
a
pathway
really
cut
through
the
middle
of
it.
That
would
open
it
up
so
that
you
could
walk
through
almost
a
breezeway
into
a
courtyard,
with
a
restaurant,
on
the
right,
a
restaurant
on
the
left
and
then
offices
above
but
again
that
that
really
requires
a
bunch
of
dominance
to
fall
in
the
right
order.
G
Thank
you
mayor,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
and
follow
up
to
our
amendment
that
we
made.
I
do
want
to
thank
mr
diva
now
and
the
developer
for
agreeing
to
and
being
so
agreeable
about,
moving
the
bars
and
rest,
the
bars
and
riders
and
night
club
to
conditional
use,
because
I
think
all
of
us
have
heard
very
loud
and
clear
that
that
our
citizens
feel
like
we
have
enough
cars
in
the
downtown
area,
and
I
realize
going
forward
in
the
future.
G
I
know
that
we
don't
have
any
available
licenses
right
now,
but
in
the
future
there
could
be,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
that
this
is
a
conditional
use,
so
that
so
that,
depending
on
what
the
what
the
situation
is
like
at
the
time,
there
will
be
some
public
involvement
in
what
happens
there.
So
I
do
appreciate
your
cooperation
on
that.
A
Just
this
may
sound
a
little
silly,
but
I'll
just
bring
it
up
since
we
made
label
these
phase
ones
before,
and
you
mentioned
that
you
may
not
go
in
order.
I
really
hate
to
see
people
get
twisted
around
the
axle.
If
you
went
to
face
everybody
said
what
happened
to
phase
two,
I
don't
know
if
your
name
is
or
something
to
take
into
consideration.
A
M
You
well
it's,
I
think
it's
clear
in
the
in
the
way
that
we've
written
the
narrative
phase,
one
as
we
mentioned,
is
already
done.
Phase
two
will
immediately
begin
upon
approval
of
this
rezoning.
If
that
takes
place
and
yeah,
we
hope
you
get
30
on
three
and
four.
I
always
like
to
go
in
order
as
well.
That's
why
I
think
it's
going
to
go
three
and
four,
but.
B
J
H
Not
quite
I
would
say,
the
majority
of
the
block,
madam
claire,
can
you
go
to
the
ariel,
please
thank
you.
It
does
not
include
the
northeast
corner
where
the
feed,
pizza
and
plastic
can
and
there's
some
other
small
buildings
there,
and
it
does
not
include
lynches,
but
it
includes
the
rest
of
the
block,
so
oku
the
former
gallery
and
then
all
the
vacant
property
it
does
not
include.
Mr
smith's
property
goes
around
that
yeah.
J
M
Excited
as
well
and
just
for
the
record,
so
everyone
knows-
I
also
spoke
with
mr
smith
today,
and
we
exchanged
information
and
I'll
be
sending
him
the
condition
that
he
drafted
as
well
as
the
staff,
because
he
wasn't
aware
that
they
had
been
written.
He
was
also
concerned
about
whether
you
received
notice-
and
I
spoke
to
miss
ireland
saying
she
assured
me
that
the
city
followed
all
the
notice
procedures,
so
we
had
a
very
good
dialogue
and
I'm
sure
we'll
talk
again
in
the
next
two
weeks.
C
Yes,
motion
carries
we're
going
to
go
back
to
item
j
and
k.
D
C
Think
there's
probably
some
staff
and
others
that
may
want
to
leave
really
quick.
So
everybody
check
the
phone
take
a
moment
stretch
break.
B
C
E
C
I
realize
this
is
an
emotionally
charged
issue
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
the
room.
I'm
going
to
implore
upon
you
to
be
courteous
to
everyone
in
the
room,
especially
during
public
comment.
C
I
will
read
the
public
comment,
rules
or
guidelines
when
we
get
there,
but
we
have
media
in
the
room.
We
have
council
members,
we
have
citizens,
we
have
neighbors,
we
have
friends,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
not
cheer
or
applaud,
not
move,
not
make
any
sort
of
outbursts,
and
I
reserve
the
right
to
clear.
C
And
call
a
recess
until
we
can
maintain
the
decorum
that
we
should
have
and
the
respect
that
we
should
have
for
each
other.
So,
starting
with
item
jay,
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
cliff
shepard,
who
is
our
outside
counsel,
to
give
us
staff
update.
O
We
don't
want
to
keep
that
from
them.
So
that's
what
this
is
about.
No
decision
you
make
tonight
could
affect
the
reverter.
It's
not
going
to
make
it
happen.
It's
not
going
to
make
it
not
happen
and
again
that's
because
of
the
way
this
operates
by
law.
Based
on
the
facts
that
were
provided
to
us.
The
lifeguard
station
automatically
reverted
to
the
city
around
2014.
O
We
had
to
do
some
research
to
try
to
put
that
all
together,
and
so
I
wanted
to
familiarize
the
council
with
the
fact
of
where
their
urgent
language
comes
from
the
properties
that
make
up
the
lighthouse
station
and
where
it
says,
began
being
beated
from
the
city
to
the
red
cross,
starting
in
1921.
O
It
says
that
said
land
shall
be
solely
for
the
purpose
of
the
northeast
florida
chapter
of
the
american
red
cross
in
their
life-saving
work
and
upon
the
discontinuance
of
the
use
thereof
for
said
purpose
for
the
period
of
one
year
or
upon
the
use
of
said
land
for
any
other
purpose
or
purposes
except
those
specifically
set
forth.
Above
then,
in
any
of
said,
events,
the
title
to
the
afrosaid
land
shall,
if
so
facto
revert
to
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
board,
successors
and
all
right
title
and
interest
of
the
said.
O
O
That
is
latin,
and
it
means
by
the
very
fact
or
act,
meaning
that
if
a
certain
fact
or
act
occurs,
then
the
consequences
of
that
act
are
automatic
and
in
this
case,
is
the
ceasing
of
the
red
cross
to
provide
the
services
that
are
required
by
these
for
longer
than
a
period
of
a
year.
So
it
is
our
belief
based
on
the
fact
that
we
were
provided,
that
the
city's
ownership
of
that
building
has
been
that
way,
since
probably
around
2015.
O
and
it's
hard
to
be
sure,
but
somewhere
in
that,
certainly
not
something
that
happened
yesterday.
So
the
question
becomes.
What
would
we
do
in
that
circumstance,
since
this
has
been
a
question
in
the
community
who's
the
owner,
that
you
know
as
we'll
talk
about
later?
There's
a
referendum
about
all
of
that,
but
we
think
the
appropriate
thing
to
do
at
least
from
a
being
a
good
good
steward
of
our
relationship,
particularly
with
the
red
cross,
would
be
to
let
the
red
cross
know.
O
This
is
our
view
and
to
get
them
to
through
mr
stepopolis
reach
out
if
they
would
like
to
reclaim
any
of
their
personal
items,
goods
or
whatever,
and
that
will
be
done
by
the
form
of
the
letter.
It's
not
that
we're
not
authorizing
legal
action
here.
I
cannot
tell
you
that
legal
action
will
come.
I
would
bet
on
it,
but
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
tonight.
It's
just
to
let
the
red
cross
know
where
we
stay.
C
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
through
your
speaker
cards
before
we
make
a
motion
on
this
and
bear
with
me,
since
we
have
two
similar
or
not
necessarily
similar,
but
two
items
around
the
same
topic.
Some
of
you
indicated
one
or
the
other.
Some
of
you
indicated
both.
C
So
when
I
call
your
name
if
you
want
to
come
and
speak
on
jay,
you
can,
if
you'd
like
to
wait
and
speak
in
relation
to
kay
just
wave
your
hand
and
we'll
do
that,
but
first
to
the
good
friends
who
would
like
to
let
us
know
what
they
think
but
aren't
going
to
take
time
to
come
up
and
speak.
C
But
we'll
let
you
know
bandy
morphor
is
opposed
to
item
j.
We
have
two
for
mandy.
Thank
you.
That's
okay,.
F
C
K
To
come
back
up
on
that,
so
I'd
like
to
respond
to
a
couple
of
things
that
mr
shepherd
stated,
he
is
stating
that
by
operation
of
law,
this
land,
these
three
parcels
are
reverting
to
the
city's
ownership.
K
That
is
not
a
correct
statement,
so
I
would,
I
would
say
that
it
would
be
in
your
best
interest
not
to
approve
you
know
sending
that
letter
to
the
american
red
cross,
because
that's
not
a
correct
statement,
and
he
says,
if
so
facto
is
by
the
very
factor.
Act
there's
been
no
act.
I
know
that
we're
trying
to
pull
an
act
from
approximately
eight
years
ago
that
there's
been
some
separation
between
glsc
and
arc,
but
we
all
know
the
truth
of
the
matter.
K
Is
they've
been
connected
at
the
hip
for
over
a
century
and
that
while
they
may,
you
know,
be
separate
entities,
they
have
been
working
alongside
one
another.
So
this
is
an
absolute
example
of
government
overreach
when
you
are
eight
years
later
trying
to
find
a
reason.
That's
never
been
brought
up
until
now
as
to
why
you
don't
or
you
own
that
building,
and
so
I
think
that
it's
not
appropriate
to
send
a
letter,
because
I
don't
think
it's
the
correct
statement
of
law.
K
I
think
there's
only
a
couple
of
reasons
that
this
could
be
happening.
One
is
that
the
city
is
attempting
to
strong-arm
the
american
red
cross,
which
is
a
sad
statement.
I
mean
it's
sad
when
you're
strong-arming
volunteer
lifeguards,
but
I
think
it's
even
sadder
when
you're
strong-arming
the
american
red
cross,
it's
these
unilateral
decisions
being
made
by
the
city.
We
know
we
have
legal
agreements,
we
know
we
have
legal
instruments,
we
know
we
have
deeds,
but
forget
about
the
court
forget
about
the
court
way.
K
We've
had
multiple
vlc
has
had
multiple
conversations
with
arc.
They
may
now
know
because
of
all
the
recent
correspondence,
but
I'm
going
to
you
know,
go
out
on
a
limb
and
say
that
they
have
not
thought
for
the
past
eight
years
that
they
did
not
own
that
building,
and
this
is
just
reaching
really
really
low,
and
so
I
would
encourage
you
do
not
make
a
bad
situation
worse.
This
operation
of
law
there's
no
reason
for
this
to
be
done.
Now
I
mean
you
have
to
look
at
the
timing
of
it.
K
It's
an
effort
for
city
staff,
to
kind
of
use
this
forum
to
support
what
their
agenda
is
and
that's
inappropriate.
That's
wholly
inappropriate.
C
Thank
you,
miss
mayors,
I'll
go
through
the
people
who
said
j
and
k.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
on
this
item
or
wait,
it's
okay,
just
I
mean
I
want
to
call
your
name.
Phillip,
edens,.
F
The
first
meeting
that
you
entertained
us
to
address
things
about
the
poor.
You
all
said
stoically
and
patiently
and
listen
to
over
73
people
speak
the
only
thing
that
seemed
to
elicit
a
response
is
when
one
of
our
members
talked
about
his
great
grandmother
actually
lived
in
the
house.
This
part
of
the
historic
buildings
here,
and
that
was
very
interesting
in
our
second
meeting
over
53
people
spoke
again.
You
said
very
stoically
respectfully
and
listened
to
what
everybody
had
to
say.
F
F
I
would
urge
you
to
dismiss
or
disapprove
this
authorization
to
send
a
formal
request
to
the
red
cross.
Your
basis
is
flawed.
It's
legally
flawed.
It
can
be
proved
to
be
legally
flawed
and
it's
sort
of
like
claiming
the
property.
If
you
go
back
and
read
the
documents,
not
everything
that
the
good
counsel
has
presented
like
you
said
you
only
had
to
deal
with
what
was
presented
to
you.
Not
everything
is
factual.
I
I
I'd
like
to
see
what
title
company
out
there
would
even
ensure
title
of
this
sort
with
this
notion
that
it
just
by
operation
of
law,
automatically
reverted
back
to
the
city,
let
alone
eight
years
ago,
and
I
would
point
out
that,
in
your
memo
from
the
city
manager,
it
states
that
the
city
has
determined
that
the
three
parcels
by
operation
of
law
have
already
reverted
to
the
city's
ownership
so
again
used
to
us
that
a
determination
has
been
made
I'd
submit.
I
We
are
just
today,
just
a
few
hours
ago,
being
notified
that
there
is
such
a
determination,
and
we
haven't
been
privy
to
any
of
that
that
information
before
and
if
that
is
the
case,
I'm
asking
here
orly-
and
I
will
do
so
in
writing
tomorrow-
for
a
public
record
request
for
all
documents,
correspondence,
communications
records
and
anything
that
led
up
to
and
confirmed
this
determination
that
hypso
facto,
this
property
has
purportedly
been
reverted
back
to
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
I
Again,
we
reject
the
notion
that
any
automatic
reversion
has
occurred
and
we'll
we'll
save
the
rest
of
our
commentary
for
the
the
next
item
on
the
record.
Thank
you.
C
Mary
phillips
supports
opposes
j,
but
doesn't
wish
yes,
I
do.
Oh
I'm.
F
C
F
F
I
am
speaking
tonight
with
regard
to
both
items,
but
I'll
just
limit
my
comments
right
now
to
ivan
j.
I
believe
it
should
be
disapproved
by
allowing
the
volunteer
life
saving
court
to
continue
to
provide
services
and
use
a
lifeguard
station.
You
accepted
the
terms
of
the
legal
agreement.
It
appears
that
the
legal
agreement
identifies
a
12-month
period
of
non-service
before
any
action
can
be
taken.
Any
movement
on
this
agenda
item
should
wait
until
the
term
of
that
agreement
has
been
met
or
the.
C
C
Okay,
sorry
going
through
my
house
here.
Timothy
klein
does
not
wish
to
address
the
council,
but
is
in
support
of
k,
subsection,
a
and
in
opposition
to
j
and
k,
sub
section
b,
jared
newell
same
position
supports
k,
alpha
and
j
nk.
Bravo
jason
kathy,
it
looks
like
c-a-f-f-e-y
does
not
wish
to
speak,
but
is
supportive
of
j
and
k
e.
C
Of
that,
thank
you
rostiado
same
position,
zachary
watson,
same
position,
matt
duffy,
same
position
and
dylan
bieber
same
position,
so
those
wished
not
to
speak,
and
then
we
have
guy
bond
does
not
wish
to
address
the
council.
That
is
opposed
to
agenda
item
j
and
k,
as
is
riva
bond.
J
J
J
So
again
we
reject
this
proposal
and
also
several
of
the
people
you
read
out
that
you
said
were
approved
of
jay
are
all
members
of
concert,
life
city
core,
and
I
guarantee
you.
They
read
it
backwards
and
you
can.
If
you
want
the
list
of
names
that
you
read,
I
can
tell
you
right
now.
They
all
rejected
it.
So,
thank
you
for
your.
C
That
there's
a
lot
of
hieroglyphics
going
on
here
that
I'm
just
trying
to
to
sort
through
to
give
everybody
a
chance
to
express
their
opinions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
everyone
and
mr
would
you
like
to
come
back
under
k.
Absolutely.
C
Okay,
that's
all
the
speaker
cards
specific
to
everybody
who
wanted
to
speak
on
jay.
Let's
go
ahead
and
get
a
motion.
D
E
Thank
you.
I
respect
what
everybody
has
been
saying
here
and
there
is
obviously
a
disagreement
on
what
is
happening
here
and
the
disagreement
is
really
stemming
from
when
the
red
cross
separated
itself
from
the
blse
in
2013
2014..
E
I
would,
and
we
need
clarification
on
that.
That's
a
really
big
piece
and
the
only
way
that
we
get
clarification
on
that
is
through
the
courts,
as
your
lawyer
has
stated,
and
the
way
to
get
this
through,
the
courts
is
to
send
this
letter
and
get
the
motion
started.
E
Without
that
it's
going
to
be
a
back
and
forth
of
well,
are
they
part
of
it?
Are
they
not
part
of
it?
And
I
don't
think
that
that
is
helping
anyone,
because
that
distinction
of
the
relationship
between
the
dlsc
and
the
american
red
cross?
Is
it's
really
what's
defining
a
lot
of
this,
so
I
am
going
to
approve
this
because
we
need
to.
E
N
Soaps
yeah:
is
it
appropriate
for
cliff
to
further
highlight
any
of
the
points
made?
Yes
cliff.
O
I
wrote
down
what
I
believe
were
the
legal
points
and
those
came
primarily
from
his
mayor's.
She
said
she
disagrees
with
the
automatic
reverter
language,
okay
and
then
it's
an
encourage,
a
correct
statement
of
law
and
again,
okay
and
that
it's
strong
on
the
red
cross.
Now
that
one
I
get
got
my
attention
only
because
it's
just
not
accurate
again.
So
it's
clear
we're
letting
the
red
cross
know
that
if
they
wish
to
claim
some
stuff
that
they
may
have
still
in
the
station,
they
can
do
it.
O
That's
what
this
does,
and
so
whether
miss
marriage
is
right
or
whether
I'm
right
it
is
accurate.
It's
based
on
the
facts
that
were
presented
to
me,
but
I
don't
have
any
contrary
facts,
but
ultimately
that's
what
will
play
out,
but
it
appears
to
me,
based
on
the
information
provided.
There's
no
authorized
agent
exception
to
this
reverter
language
basically
says
if
the
red
cross
doesn't
provide
these
services,
the
property
reverts,
and
we
did
do
research
how
to
check
into
that
beforehand,
because
we
don't
want
behind.
O
N
Yeah
so
to
miss
dumont's
point
to
keep
the
issue
out
of
the
courts,
but
allow
our
attorney,
both
inside
and
outside,
to
collect
more
information
based
on
the
relationship
between
the
american
red
cross
and
the
lse
and
the
reverter
clause.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
defer
until
set
point
that
mr
shepherd
and
miss
robinson
collect
sufficient
information
regarding
the
relationship
between
the
american
red
cross,
the
vlc
and
the
regular
clause.
G
O
What
I
think-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
happening-
what
I
think
maybe
referred
to
and
again
I
could
be
dead
wrong
here-
is
that
they
have
folks
that
are
trained
by
the
red
cross
like
I
got
a
swimming
bad
just
when
I
was
a
kid
you
know
intermediate
again
and
all
that
stuff.
I
assumed
that
there's
some
sort
of
a
program-
or
at
least
there
was,
I
don't
know
if
there
still
is
by
which
they
can
the
red
cross,
can
say.
You
know
you
now
have
life
saving
training.
O
I
don't
know
that,
but
that's
different
than
what
we're
talking
about
here,
because
the
deeds
operate
in
such
a
way
that
it
says
the
red
cross
stops,
providing
the
services
and
based
on
the
immigration
prevention
presented.
It
appears
really
without
dispute
that
the
red
cross
stopped
providing
services.
D
Mr
nichols,
I
want
to
believe
that
this
is
going
to
end
up
in
court
one
way
or
another
if
it
goes.
Whichever
way
it
goes,
and
this
is
toronto's
community
apart,
it
has
been
really
just
devastating
for
so
many
people,
this
community,
that
I
want
to
see
it
resolve
as
quickly
as
possible
and
this
method
by
the
city
to
go
ahead
and
notify
to
allow
us
to
for
whoever's
going
to
sue
who
can
do
the
red
cross
wants
to,
or
whoever
will
allow
us
to
resolve
this
issue.
Sooner
than
later,.
C
O
Yes,
so
they
are
okay,
yeah,
okay,
so
before
I
get
into
this,
I
want
to
understand
that
this
is
a
decision
that
you
need
to.
This
is
not
something
that
can
be
delegated
to
staff.
It
might
have
been
some
consideration
previously
that
maybe
the
staff
can
just
take
this
and
fall
in
love
with
it.
It
really
cannot
happen
that
way.
O
So
the
question
that's
before
you
is
whether
or
not
the
ballot
petition
circulated
and
received
according
to
the
supervisor
elections
in
duval
county
enough
signatures
to
be
put
on
the
ballot,
whether
the
ministerial
duty
to
place
the
referendum
ballot
requires
you
to
do
that,
but
we
have
researched
it
and
we've
looked
at
the
the
petition
and
the
language
of
the
summary
and
the
title
and
the
actual
amendment,
and
we
believe
the
petition
itself
is
unlawful
and
the
limitation.
O
O
So
the
first
category
is
the
unconstitutional,
preemptive
or
in
violation
of
charter
or
state
statute,
and
simply
put
this
boils
down
to.
You
cannot
do
through
a
citizen
petition
that
which
the
city
itself
could
not
do
through
you
all
sitting
here
as
elected
officials.
Now
I
think
I
should
be
able
to
get
a
slide
up
here.
O
If
I
do
this
right,
okay,
so
this
is
the
petition
we're
talking
about,
and
the
first
problem
that
we
identified
under
this
section
is
that
the
amendment
would
require
the
city
to
deed
the
public
property
for
a
private
purpose,
and
that
this
refers
to
the
section
of
the
amendment
that
requires
the
city
to
the
over
all
of
its
interests.
Whatever.
O
O
O
The
amendment
also
would
require
the
city
to
violate
its
own
competitive
procurement.
Requirements,
which
I
do
not
believe,
is
a
legal
mechanism
that
can
be
achieved
through
referendum
that
can't
be
achieved
by
the
members
of
council
itself.
Now.
The
second
category
of
problem
is
that
the
ballot
title
and
submarine
are
misleading.
O
They,
the
the
ballot
sum
title,
contains
vague
terms
by
they.
I'm
I'm
not
talking
about
what
we
know
based
on
the
fact
that
we've
lived
here
a
long
time
or
may
have
specific
experience.
I'm
talking
about
what
the
voter
sees
when
the
voter
goes
in
the
book.
O
A
15
word
title
and
a
75
word
summary
and
all
the
terms
in
there
have
to
be
understood
and
not
vague
and
be
able
to
be
understood
and
not
misleading
in
the
title
they
used
an
anachronism
before
they
excuse
me
the
initials
jbor
they
say
alongside
jbo-r,
and
then
they
say
from
american
red
cross
lifeguard
station.
None
of
these
terms
is
defined
in
a
way
that
the
person
who's
only
going
to
see
in
the
booth,
the
title
and
the
summary.
O
O
Okay,
here
we
go
in
that
regard.
It
says
that
I
think
it
went
too
far.
It's
where
the
summary
is
it
says
here.
It
says
the
working
together
with
the
jacksonville
beach
beach,
it's
right
here,
working
again
with
jacksonville
beach
ocean
rescue
division
from
the
location
of
the
american
red
cross
lifeguard
station
to
save
the
lives
of
presidents.
That
is
what's
known
as
impermissible
political
rhetoric,
because
it
is
not
a
necessary
to
the
legislation.
O
It
is
not
supposed
to
be,
and
it
is
essentially
advocating
a
political
view
that
that's
what
these
organizations
do
and
that's
why
we
don't
allow
you.
You
wouldn't
have
an
amendment.
That
said
this
is
a
really
good
amendment,
because
and
expect
that
language
to
survive
by
adding
language
like
the
life's
continuing
life-saving
work,
you're
making
a
value
judgment
on
the
amendment,
that's
not
appropriate.
O
This
wasn't
disclosed
in
the
organizational
documents
of
the
petitioner
committee,
but
we
know
there's
pending
litigation
that
will
resolve
these
issues
and
the
ongoing
dispute
regarding
provisional
services
and
the
department
of
labor
regulations,
and
it
fails
to
inform
voters
of
the
costs
of
preservation
of
services
and
loss
of
public
property
and
exposure
of
the
city.
O
Based
on
this
amendment
being
adopted
what
they
like
to
say
in
case
law
to
discuss
this
discussion.
These
things
is
a
wolf
and
she's
clothing
and
I'm
not
using
that
colorful
language,
because
it's
my
mind
made
up.
That's
what
the
cases
talk
about,
and
so
that's
that's
part
of
the
problem.
We
already
know,
for
example,
that
with
regard
to
the
first
go
around
the
department
of
labor,
we
had
to
pay
250,
300,
000
and
there's
ongoing
potential
problems
which
have
been
recognized
not
only.
O
Our
adversary
in
that
proceeding,
the
guy
who
was
also
a
member
of
the
llc,
mr
townsend,
but
it's
a
it's
a
problem
and
then,
last
but
not
least,
the
petition
itself
is
misleading
in
what
the
positioners
were
told.
They
were
signing
off
on
and
that's
his
highlighted
language
up
here.
It
says
I
hereby
petition
the
consolidated
city
of
jacksonville
to
place
the
following
proposed
amendment
to
the
charter
of
the
consolidated
city
of
jacksonville
florida.
Why
is
that
important?
O
It's
important
because,
again
you
are
to
look
at
the
face
of
the
petition.
If
200
people
behind
me
say,
I
knew
what
I
was
signing.
You
would
disregard
that
if
200
people
behind
me
said
I
didn't
know
what
I
was.
You
disregard
that
too.
You
would
simply
look
here
and
say
from
this
petition.
Can
I
determine
the
intent
that
the
person
intended
when
they
signed
it
and
the
answer
to
that
question
we
respectfully
submit?
Is
that
without
asking
them
there's
no
way?
O
You
could
know
that,
and
so
there
are
cases
including
one
from
the
supreme
court
recently
in
2021,
in
which
the
court
by
I
think
was
five
to
two
decision
rejected
language
in
which
the
the
summary
stated
as
well.
This
was
regarding
medical
marijuana.
It
said
the
language
issue
was
that
the
amendment
quote
permits
adults
21
years
and
or
older
to
possess,
use,
purchase,
display
and
transport
up
to
2.5
ounces
of
marijuana
and
marijuana
accessories
for
personal
use.
For
any
reason,
so
that's
the
language
that
was
in
front
of
the
court.
O
We
conclude
that
the
language
in
the
ballot
summary
indicating
that
the
proposed
amendment
unqualifiedly
quote,
permits
close
quote
the
use
and
distribution
of
recreational
marijuana
is
affirmatively
misleading,
because
the
proposed
amendment
fails
to
comply
with
section
101.161
for
our
statutes.
We
strike
the
proposed
evidence
to
our
supreme
court
2021
private
two
decisions.
O
Now,
that's
why
we
think
there's
a
problem
here,
not
one
that
can't
be
corrected,
but
one
that
can't
be
corrected
today.
What
we
want
you
to
know-
and
I
mentioned
this
earlier-
but
I
want
to
go
into
this
a
little
bit
more.
We
consult
with
other
law
firms.
We
realize
this
is
an
important
decision
for
the
community.
We
do
not
wish
to
divide
the
community
further,
we'll
provide
you
as
accurate
advice,
as
we
can,
based
on
the
information
we
have
and
we've,
provided
that
same
advice
to
two
different
law
firms
with
expertise
in
necessary.
O
J
J
B
F
B
E
F
F
There
are
plenty
of
citizens
who
are
already
disappointed
with
the
actions
of
this
council,
specifically
in
regards
to
listening
to
your
constituents
and
now
you're
deciding
whether
you're
going
to
listen
to
them
by
placing
or
not
placing
or
moving
this
initiative
to
a
general
election.
I
just
want
you
guys
to
think
about
that.
Okay,
you
push
the
citizens
to
the
point
where
they
felt
the
only
recourse
citizens
had
was
not
illegal
finagling.
G
F
With
regard
to
item
to
part
two,
I'm
really
concerned
that
we
are
requesting
authorization
to
legally
challenge
all
matters
related
to
an
arising
from
the
ballot
initiative
and
referendum
at
the
exact
same
meeting
where
council
is
voting,
whether
to
even
move
forward
on
this
referendum.
F
So
I
I
mean,
on
the
one
hand,
you
haven't
even
decided
to
move
it
forward.
On
the
other
hand,
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
litigate
it
I'm
confused.
It
seems
the
council
has
put
this
city
in
a
position
where
litigation
is
the
only
solution,
and
it's
disheartening
that
we
couldn't
work
out.
The
differences
of
opinion
between
the
city
and
the
blsc
without
resorting
to
all
this
legal
maneuvering.
F
I
I
have
yet
to
see
or
hear
one
viable
piece
of
information
as
to
why
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
and
the
city
council
have
had
to
disband
the
volunteer
life-saving
corps
in
the
first
place,
not
one,
nor
why
we
couldn't
continue
to
work
together
in
some
form
or
facet.
First.
This
became
an
operational
issue
as
to
how
we're
going
to
continue
to
operate
on
the
beach.
I
I
Gabriel,
very
foreman,
on
behalf
of
the
llc,
if
I
may
ask
before
my
time
continues
here,
can
I
be
extended
courtesy
of
a
little
bit
more
time
to
go
over
some
of
the
issues
that
were
discussed
today.
Just
go
ahead
and
get
going
and
we'll
see.
I
Everything
said
tonight
by
your
counsel
is
based
on
two
completely
false
premises,
so
there
were
a
lot
of
things
said,
but
they
were
based
on
a
fundamental
error
in
what
was
stated
number
one
that
the
property
is
publicly
owned.
That
is
not
the
case,
so
everything.
H
I
B
I
I
To
public
property,
you
know
the
attempt
to
make
that
to
a
private
entity
off
the
table
that
this
is
not.
The
request
is
not
a
deed
to
a
public
entity.
M
I
E
D
I
Language
and
make
an
assessment
as
to
his
constitutionality
or
legality
completely
false.
This
is
a
ministerial
task.
That's
before
you,
you
have
no
discretion
whatsoever
to
review
or
consider
the
language
or
the
lawfulness
of
the
petition
or
the
ballot
language
that
sits
before
you,
that
is,
for
the
courts.
I
have
a
stack
of
case
laws
sitting
in
a
briefcase
back
there,
that's
ready
to
go
and
I'm
happy
to
to
parlay
that
so
all
this
other
stuff
that
was
stated
about
the
ballot
title
summary
the
misleading
nature,
bogus
you've
heard
from
people
here
today.
I
I
Me
today,
this
improvisable
political
rhetoric-
that's
all
I've
heard
today-
is
impermissible
political
rhetoric.
That's
focused.
I've
never
heard
that
before.
So
that's
just
yet
another
false
premise,
based
on
the
fundamentals
and
the
this
notion
that
there's
some
language
in
this
supervisor,
elections
petition
that
speaks
to
the
consolidated
city
of
jacksonville.
Again,
not
your
role
to
look
at
that.
I
But
in
any
event,
it's
a
template
that
was
provided
to
us
by
the
consolidated
city
of
jacksonville
supervisor
of
elections,
not
for
your
review,
but
even
if
they
were
assuming
that
for
one
moment
not
a
fatal
defect
and
not
anything
by
any
means
in
the
least
way
that
would
that
would
discount
a
petition,
let
alone
the
20
of
your
community
that
that
actually
signed.
I
Because
we
stopped
counting
at
twenty
percent
because
we
had
a
lot.
We
were
in
a
time
crunch
here,
obviously,
but
we
we
gathered
what
we
could
in
the
short
amount
of
time
and
that's
where
we
are
and
again
you
know,
there's
this
issue
of
communication.
I
We
can't
talk
to
any
of
you,
elected
officials
be
because
we've
been
prohibited
by
your
counsel.
I
don't
agree
with
the
analysis
that
led
to
that
prohibition,
but
be
that
isn't
me
we
at
the
very
least
we
want
a
communication
line
with
your
attorneys.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
talk
here
today
from
the
elected
officials
at
the
dais
about
we
don't
want
this.
You
know
we
want
what's
best
on
behalf
of
the
community.
We
don't
want
this
fight,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
let
the
legal
courts.
You
know
fight
it
out.
It's.
B
J
I
Simple
simple,
simple
resolution
that
we
can
talk
about
if
we
only
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
your
in-house
counsel
and
your
outside
counsel,
but
we
have
never
been
given
that
opportunity.
We
had
a
two
to
three
minute
conversation
that
ended
poorly
and
I'll.
Tell
you
in
my
20
years
on
board
certified
in
city
county
local
government
law.
Like
mr
shepherd
over
here,
I
have
never
dealt
with
such
obstinate
counsel
on
the
other
side
of
an
issue.
Believe
me,
I've
been
involved
with
many
more
very
more
thorny
or
emotional
issues.
I
I
N
N
F
I
am
zan
thanks
williams
and
I
live
at
45
oakland
in
jacksonville
beach.
I
am
not
a
member
of
the
dlc,
ladies
for
not
inviting
her
by
era,
but
it's
very
important
what
they
have
done
anyway.
What
I
I
had
a
lot
of
other
things
that
I
was
going
to
say,
but
this
has
really
gotten
off
off
the
racks
here,
I'm
speaking
as
a
citizen
of
jacksonville
beach,
I'm
a
native
of
the
beach
I've
lived
in
all
four
communities
over
the
number
of
years,
but
I've
been
here
and
that.
F
Time
I've
been
here,
there
have
been
a
number
of
different
council
people
up
here
over
the
years
and
there
have
been
problems
in
the
past
that
have
always
been
worked
out.
I
do
not
understand
why,
on
the
very
first
day,
you
all
did
not
call
for
some
kind
of
mediation
when
there
was
a
letter
that
was
sent
from
the
city
manager's
office
that
I
received
a
copy
of
sort
of
a
lot
of
stuff.
F
F
F
You
think
you
are
in
washington
or
something,
but
you
can
go
back
and
you
can
start
over
and
you
can
determine
little
things
that
you
know
and
come
to
an
understanding
what
we
use
to
get
this
city
back
on
track.
We,
the
citizens,
are
tired
of
paying
for
lawsuits.
I
was
privy
to
one
that
discussed.
It
was
in
an
organization
that
I'm
a
part
of
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
the
judge
in
the
in
the
federal
court
said
to
the
attorney
from
the
city.
You
know
they
have
a
very
good
case.
F
You
really
should
be
listening,
but
you,
the
city,
the
council,
at
that
time,
went
ahead
and
proceeded
with
and
lost,
and
then
the
thing
that
happened
with
townsend
is
just
ridiculous
and
you
should
have
gone
back
and
done
something
about
that
then,
but
that
hasn't
happened,
but
you
can
say
we
messed
up.
We
are
sorry,
let's
start
over
and
let's
do
the
right
thing
this
time.
Thank
you,
mr
williams.
B
K
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
things
that
miss
george
ever
talked
about
in
terms
of
the
reported
legal
deficiencies,
and
I
just
I
really
a
little
bit
like
what
the
last
speaker
said.
I'm
embarrassed
for
you
about
the
ballot
title
and
the
ballot
summary
that
was
not
even
included
on
the
memo
attached
to
the
agenda
as
an
issue,
but
the
more
days
we
give
you
the
more
things
that
you
will
find
wrong
with
it.
K
I
can't
even
imagine
the
average
ordinary
citizen
trying
to
play
a
role
in
this
government,
and-
and
that
is
that's
heartbreaking.
K
There
are
times
in
my
life
that
I
am
thankful
for
the
good
lord
and
a
judge,
and
today
is
definitely
one
of
those.
By
the
way
councilman
nicholas,
we
did
a
lawsuit.
Today,
we
literally
and
all
the
craziness
that's
been
going
on
failed
to
mention
that
the
last
two
times
that
we
got
up
that
there
will.
This
will
be
heard
by
a
judge.
K
We
call
it
a
petition
for
emergency
petition
for
rid
of
mandamus
and
explain
to
the
judge
precisely
what
needs
to
be
done
when
and
I
I
look
forward
to
that,
although
having
been
a
litigation
attorney
for
a
very
long
time,
it
is
rarely
if
ever
the
answer.
You
know
why,
because
there's
ever
never
really
a
true
winner
or
a
true
loser.
There
is
damage
done
to
the
parties
in
the
interim
and
your
citizens.
Won't
they
won't
forget
about.
This
will
go
to
court.
K
You
lose
and
you're
required
to
do
what
you
were
supposed
to
do
by
law.
They
don't
forget
about
that.
So
there
is.
It
is
not
a
no
harm,
no
foul
situation
in
terms
of
the
the
improper
political
rhetoric
I
would.
K
I
would
consider
that's
actually
what
they
do,
but
the
reason
that
language
was
included
is
because,
at
some
point
I
believe
the
city
manager
of
one
of
his
letters
suggested
that
they
would
be
happy
to
have
the
lsd
sit
around
at
the
lifeguard
station
and
do
a
junior
lifeguard
camp
maybe
have
some
pictures
on
the
wall
and
you
know
have
their
memorials
up
and
we
want
to
make
it
clear.
It
was
actually
something
we
thought
very
hard
about
we're
going
to
be
there
to
do
life-saving
work.
Not
to
do
we
want.
A
K
K
The
department
of
labor
it's
been
said
over
and
over
again
again,
the
lady
that
stood
here
just
a
moment
ago
was
incredibly
wise.
There
are
so
many
of
these
things
that
could
have
been
worked
out
could
still
be
worked
out
at
a
mediation
between
people
that
know
what
actually
is
going
on,
rather
than
an
attorney
that
stands
up
and
doesn't
even
really
know
the
relationship
between
the
american
red
cross
and
blsc,
and
thank
you
for
your
mission,
councilman
smith.
I
really
appreciate
that
it
never
hurts
to
have
all
the
information
when
making
an
important
decision.
J
O
M
I
Jason,
gabriel
bert
foreman,
on
behalf
of
the
so
on
july,
6
about
40
days
ago,
the
package
was
delivered
that
had
all
this
information
in
with
an
informational
letter,
a
copy
of
the
petition
and
everything
else,
including
enabling
ordinance
on
july
18,
3
820
petitions
were
delivered
to
the
supervisor
of
elections.
That's
almost
19
of
your
registered
jacks
beach
voters
from
the
last
general
election
to
certify
this.
I
This
proposition
city
jack
speech
had
an
opportunity
on
july
18th
to
follow
the
law,
undertake
its
ministerial
duty
to
place
this
man
on
the
ballot
and
did
not
do
so.
You
had
an
opportunity
on
august
1st
to
follow
the
law
undertake.
The
ministerial
duty
to
put
this
on.
The
ballot
did
not
do
so,
and
you
do
have
an
opportunity
tonight.
I
On
august
4th,
we
provided
the
city
council
to
council
with
a
certified
confirmation
of
the
supervisor
of
elections,
letter
stating
unequivocally
that
the
required
number
of
accepted
petitions
was
met
on
august
2nd,
and
that-
and
this
is
a
quote
from
the
letter-
that's
in
your
packages
pursuant
to
section
166031
for
the
statutes,
the
requirements
of
subsection,
one
have
been
met
and
that's
the
the
prime
statutory
provision
that
applies
here
today.
I've
received
no
acknowledgement
or
communication
from
your
attorneys.
Regarding
this
matter.
I
We
do
appreciate
that
we
have
an
agenda
that
we're
able
to
pull
online
to
be
able
to
figure
this
out
and
see
what
would
be
taken
up
here
today.
Again,
you
do
have
an
opportunity
to
follow
the
law
here
tonight
and
undertake
the
minister
of
duty
to
put
this
on
the
ballot,
but
as
as
this
is
very
evident
here,
we've
lost
full
confidence
in
any
of
that
being
able
to
happen
by
no
other
than
your
own
agenda.
I
That
says
on
it
with
your
your
memo
staff
recommendations
in
the
next
breath
after
taking
up
this
matter
to
legally
challenge
all
matters
related
to
you
and
arising
from
the
ballot
initiative
and
referendum.
So
again,
we've
lost
all
confidence
in
this
process,
no
communication
whatsoever,
and
so
for
those
reasons.
L
I
Again,
these
are
very,
very
easily
resolvable
issues,
all
of
them
I
submit
if
we
just
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
your
attorneys
and
sit
down
at
the
table
and
try
to
resolve
these
issues
and
sort
through
them.
We
want
to
follow
the
law
just
as
much
as
you
do.
I
appreciate
your
time,
I'm
available
for
any
questions,
but
I
doubt
I'll
get
any,
but
thank
you
thank.
F
This
goes
beyond
the
payroll.
You
said
you
didn't
want
denigrating
language.
I
can't
believe
learned
council
wanted
to
compare
us
in
his
example
to
a
petition
for
marijuana.
There's
no
concept,
no
wrong
rule
or
reason
to
do
that.
If
you've
been
in
jacksonville
beach
for
very
long,
you
have
to
have
an
understanding
of
the
role
of
the
life-saving
corps.
One
of
my
friends,
my
firefighter
buddies,
is
we
were
collecting
petitions
at
the
towers
ran
into
a
young
lady
who
was
93
years
old.
She
said,
I
know
what
this
petition
is
for.
F
Y'all
pulled
me
out
of
the
word
1947..
Let's
she
understands
it,
the
voters
get
it
they
have
they
get
it
very
clearly.
They
understand.
We
had
people
drive,
I've
worked
at
four
different
locations
in
that
short
time
frame.
We
had
people
driving
to
us.
We
wanted
to
find
you,
so
we
could
sign
the
petition.
Why
is
this
happening?
Why
are
elected
officials
not
doing
the
right
thing
councilman
nichols?
You
said
you
wanted
this
to
come
to
a
head
to
go
to
to
be
resolved.
F
Then
by
all
means
put
the
resolution
put
the
petition
on
the
ballot
make
the
move.
Do
the
right
thing
and
it
can
be
resolved.
I
do
have
a
question
you
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
answer
it
under
the
strict
language
of
k.
It
says
approving
this
disproven,
the
advancement
of
a
resolution
for
consideration
at
a
special
counsel
meeting.
F
Just
I
just
asked
because
there's
I
asked
the
person
there
is
no
resolution
to
to
be
put
there.
I
wish
there
were
so
we
could
at
least
have
an
understanding
of
it
again.
F
C
E
G
E
E
I
know
you
want
to
get
this
ballot
on
the
the
get
this
item
on
the
ballot,
but
then
there
are
other
concerns
that
we
have
to
think
about.
One
that
concerns
me
is
there
was
no
cost
to
the
citizens.
E
If
this
were
to
pass,
because
in
the
last
ballot
initiative
which
a
council
member
current
council
member
was
behind,
there
was
no
cost,
no
cost
to
the
citizens
on
that
one
either,
and
I
think
if
citizens
see
what
the
potential
legal
costs
are
behind,
approving
something
and
putting
on
the
ballot
or
not,
that
really
opens
their
eyes
and
it's
not
a
no
cost.
So
that
said,
mr
shepherd,
what's
the
cost
differential?
E
E
O
We've
identified
and
being
able
to
put
a
number
on
them
is
going
to
be
hard,
but
I'll
give
you
an
example.
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
communicated
to
vlsc
through
the
city
manager's
office
is
that
the
city
owns
these
vehicles
that
are
used
by
the
vlc.
I
believe
that
we
own
most
of
the
equipment,
maybe
not
all
of
them
most
of
the
equipment
they
use
for
their
their
activities,
and
when
you
have
that
equipment
you
have
that
liability.
So
it's
not
that
these
services
are
being
provided
for
free
on
sundays
and
holidays.
O
O
O
However,
opposite
I
may
appear,
it's
not
gonna
solve
anything,
but
what
I
will
tell
you
is
that
there
is
more
than
one
way
to
view
the
situation
with
the
department
of
labor,
particularly
given
the
depth
that
they
went
into,
explaining
how
they
found
the
relationship
with
the
lsc
coextensive
and
the
liability
that
creates,
and
some
of
the
language
that
we
are
worried
about
comes
from
their
own
member.
Who
happens
to
be
suing
us
right
now,
mr
thompson,
who
is
against
this
amendment
as
well
as
other
relationships
with
the
lse?
O
O
But
for
that
situation,
whether
it's
wise
or
not,
it's
a
different
matter.
We
probably
wouldn't
be
here,
but
that's
where
we
are,
and
so
you
have
relations-
that's
been
forged
over
104
or
however
many
years
it's
been,
that's
never
recognized
the
changing
patterns
around
it,
like
the
existence
of
the
department
of
labor.
These
things
happen
that
doesn't
mean
they're,
not
painful
or
legitimate,
but
they
happen,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
are
so
there's
an
unknown
price
tag.
O
C
E
Yeah,
I'm
pretty
sure
what
jim
is
going
to
say
is
they
do
carry
their
own
insurance.
So
I'll
say
that
for
you,
they
carry
their
own
insurance,
but
that
insurance
doesn't
cover
everything.
So
we're
look.
What
we're
doing
up
here
is
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
protect
the
city,
because
that's
our
role
to
act
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
with
regard
to
getting
sued,
I
agree
that
the
communication
could
have
been.
I
wish
the
communication
was
clearer
and
more
open.
E
That's
already
been
discussed
the
so
another
question
I
have
for
you
is:
it
was
brought
up
that
the
station
is
not
public
property,
so
it
wouldn't
fall
under
the
redevelopment.
The
the
cra
criteria
for
disposing
of
that
property
now
right
now
could
this
blc.
Could
the
red
cross
sell
that
station
with
us
owning
the
land
well
with
us
having
deeded
them
the
land
right
now,
if
we
needed
them?
No
like
right
now,
it's
that
they
have
the
land.
They
have
a
building
on
it.
In
the
robert
applause
before
it
ever
reverts.
O
It
if
the
red
cross
sold
the
building
under
the
current
it
takes
of
the
deed
restrictions.
The
answer
is
no.
They
couldn't,
because
by
selling
the
building
and
abandoning
the
premises
they're
no
longer
providing
the
services
there
by
whatever
definition
you
want
to
put
on
that.
So
that's
a
problem
for
them
to
try
to
sell
it
under
the
current
circumstances
and
the
issue
that
invokes
163
380,
honest,
I
I
do
not
know,
certainly
a
qualified
lawyer,
but
I
do
not
know
what
he
means
when
he
says
it's,
not
a
public
building.
O
Okay,
going
back
here
to
the
second
section,
the
city
shall
immediately
execute
a
new
deed
of
conveyance,
permitting
the
american
national
red
cross
to
convey
a
simple
absolute
interest
in
the
station
and
the
property
on
which
it
sits.
Now,
the
reason
obviously
they're
asking
for
this
provision
in
the
in
the
amendment
is
because
they
know
that
right
now,
the
american
red
cross
could
not
convey
the
simple
absolute
interest
in
the
station
and
property
on
which
it
says.
O
That's
why
this
is
in
the
amendment,
and
it
says,
with
the
city
of
jack's
beach,
retaining
no
title
or
interest
in
the
property.
So,
for
the
sake
of
this
discussion,
assume
that
they're
right
just
so,
I
can
make
the
point.
We
still
have
a
reverter
interest.
That
is
an
interest
therein
and
163
380
is
to
vote
it's
not
about
whether
it's
public
property,
it's
about
whether
we
have
an
interest
in
the
property.
This
is
a
redevelopment
interest
period
and
whichever
side.
O
D
O
Think
it
reverted
automatically
as
we
do
or
whether
you
think
it
may
not
have
reverted,
but
we
still
have
a
murder
interest
either
way
that
statute
of
thought.
So
that's
the
situation
and
that's
why
they're
asking
for
this
language
and
I'll
point
out
here
just
so.
It's
really
clear
to
everybody
if
this
were
to
pass
and
the
red
cross
got
this
deep
from
us
and
we
got
away
from
all
the
other
issues.
O
O
Like
okay,
so
let's
assume
because
there's
there
are
two
parts
to
this
item-
one
is
to
make
the
decision
to
let
it
go
to
the
voters
and
then,
if
you
authorize
part
b,
then
depending
on
either
the
outcome
of
the
referendum
or,
alternatively,
the
outcome
of
litigation,
which
you
may
authorize,
which
could
still
have
the
effect
of
challenging
it
and
potentially
keeping
it
off
the
ballot.
That's
how
the
scenarios
work,
because
when
these
things
happen
a
couple
of
different
ways,
judges
look
at
this
number
one.
They
would
say.
O
Okay,
if
there's
not
a
challenge
right
now,
the
city's
decided
to
put
it
on
the
ballot,
but
we
bring
it
the
clerical
reaction,
that's
typically
how
it
will
be
done
and
we
say:
we've
done
what
we
think
or
the
officials
thought
they
need
to
do.
Ministerially.
However,
there
are
some
real
laws
here
that
we
want
to
bring
to
the
court's
attention,
because
we
don't
want
to
get
the
public
to
be
misled
about
what's
happening
here,
and
we
think
here
are
the
reasons
why
this
should
be
tossed
off
the
ballot.
O
Some
judges
would
say
I
might
wait
to
see
if
the
voters,
even
if
they
see
problems
I've,
had
this
happen
where
they
say
we
see
a
lot
of
problems
here.
I
see
a
real
problem
with
this
thing.
There's
a
lot
of
different
issues
here,
but
the
voters
may
vote
it
down,
and
I
don't
have
to
make
this
tough
decision
today.
We'll
see
the
outcome
and,
let's
see
how
it
goes.
O
Another
opportunity
is,
the
judge
is
going
to
be
persuaded
by
these
cases
and
others
there's
a
lot
more
and
these
issues
and
say
this
really
isn't
appropriate
to
keep
sending
to
the
voters.
When
I
can
see
on
its
face.
This
is
not
going
to
work
and
we'll
pull
it
and
say
it's
not
going
forward,
then
there's
subject
to
appeals
and
all
those
things.
So
those
are
the
two
paths.
If
you,
on
the
other
hand,
say
we're
going
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
O
J
J
J
J
J
Is
still
going
on,
we
did
not
put
a
stop
to
the
vlsc
in
legal
terms.
J
J
Many
concerns
come
up
to
the
right
legal,
legal,
legal
consequences
by
the
department
of
labor
and
god
forbid.
The
justice
department
decides
decisive
comes
into
the
city.
J
J
J
J
I
never
remember
this
here
in
the
guys,
and
I
not
speak
for
myself.
We
didn't
wake
up
and
say
hey,
let's,
let's,
let's
get
rid
of
the
vlc,
because
that
is
not
the
case
and
I
just
hurt
someone,
but
it's
not
true.
There
is
no
gain
from
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
if
I'm
correct,
of
stopping
the
vlsc
there's
no
game
at
all
whatsoever.
J
Many
of
you
here
have
been
residents
and
community
members
of
jacksonville
beach
for
many
many
decades.
Many
years
now,
mr
shepherd,
I
know
my
colleague
georgette
dumont,
her
and
I
sometimes
don't
see
eye
on
things,
but
she
does
break
down
points
and,
as
you
will
hear
from
us
too
as
well,
I
know
what
if
mr
man
asks
the
economic
impact.
J
You
know
we
have
a
we
vote,
it
put
it
on
the
ballot.
They
we
do
not,
no
matter
what
we're
still
we're
already
facing
litigation,
we're
about
to
fix
another
one.
J
O
If
the
injunction
were
into
telling
us
it
had
to
go
forward,
then
there
would
be
not
enough
time
on
all
likelihood
to
get
that
reversed
on
appeal,
even
if
it
was
likely
that
we
would
succeed
in
one
of
you.
Secondarily,
the
court
could
look
at
that
matters
again,
assuming
that
it
gets
scheduled
or
able
to
get
it
heard
and
say
no,
I'm
not
been
in
an
injunction,
and
likewise,
I
would
think
I
think
they
would
say,
although
I'm
sure
they're
fast,
that
they
could
not
likely
get
an
appellate
order
getting
this
on
the
ballot.
O
In
the
short
time
that
we
have
we've
been
given
by
the
supervisor
of
election.
For
all
this
to
afford
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
issue
would
go
away
because
there's
two
different
ways
this
can
get
on
the
ballot.
One
is
the
general
election,
which
is
what
they've
requested,
but
it's
also
by
special
election
and
there's
a
good
argument
that
you
made
that
that
discretion
as
to
which
one
it
goes
on
regardless
of
the
petition,
resides
with
you
guys.
O
So
it's
very
possible
that
even
if
the
hearing
doesn't
happen
fast
enough,
the
judge
can't
accommodate
this
or
doesn't
make
it
celebrate
or
whatever
the
situation
then
ultimately
it'll
play
out.
If
you
don't
agree
to
put
it
on
and
the
decision
will
be
made
and
if
it's
against
us-
and
if
it's
too
late
for
the
general,
then
you
would
be
asked
to
fund
a
special
election
postpartum
located
this
amendment
and
if
the
judge
says
no.
I
think
that
if
it
was
right
to
keep
it
off
then
subject
to
appeal
that
would
end
the
matter.
O
Would
there
be
appeals
that
they
eat
don't
know.
I'd
certainly
say
that
our
indications
are
that
they
have
special
presentations
to
litigate,
so
that,
if
you
ask
me
what
I
assume
I
wish,
then
there
would
be
a
field
but
how
it
ended
up.
I
don't
know
the
law.
We've
decided,
I'm
comfortable
with
I've,
looked
at
it
multiple
times
and
with
multiple
other
lawyers
who
are
not
maybe
close
shepard.
So
that's
where
we
stand
in
terms
of
the
costs
of
those
things.
O
Sadly,
this
is
not
something
that's
covered
by
an
insurance
policy
with
the
city,
it's
not
as
if
someone
tripped
and
fell
on
the
sidewalk
or
hurt
themselves
on
a
playground
or
something
like
that
injured,
no
city
vehicle.
This
is
going
to
be
whatever
it
costs
the
city
to
pay
for
my
service
or
not
be
someone
else.
O
You
know
that's,
basically
how
that
works
and
what
could
it
cost?
It's
really
hard
to
say.
If
the
skirmish
ends
at
a
temporary
injunction,
it's
going
to
cost.
You
know
several
thousand
dollars,
and
maybe
you
know
20
30.
Who
knows
it
could
be
more
than
that,
but
if
it
continues
on
with
appeals
and
so
forth,
it
could
certainly
run
up
into
the
six
figure
territory
and
not
to
this
future
as
possible.
And
that's
not
talking
about
the
other
case
which
is
going
to
be
set
for
trial.
O
We
believe,
sometime
in
april
or
may
of
next
year,
based
on
an
agreed
order
that
we
have
with
the
lawyer
representing
the
dlc
in
that
matter.
I
think
we
have
a
hearing
sometime
in
september.
I
think
that's
what
I
recall
to
try
to
work
out.
The
details
of
the
trial
date
and
they'll
be
discovered
and
they'll
make
depositions
and
a
whole
lot
of
the
stuff.
O
There's
the
department
of
labor
and
all
the
laws
involving
that
there's
the
actual
testimony
that
we
have
had
from
members
of
vlsc
members
of
our
own
city
staff
and
other
members
of
our
national
beach
ocean
rescue
as
to
what
happened
on
start
today
that
the
city
administrator
city
manager
decided
that
this
was
an
unsettled
situation,
and
so
we
need
to
take
the
station's
controller.
O
So
we
can
continue
to
provide
life-saving
services
which
we
are
now
doing:
seven
day-to-week
holidays,
so
all
of
those
things
will
play
out
and
through
a
process
called
discovery,
there's
depositions,
there's
written
derogatories
and
a
whole
lot
of
other
stuff
and
those
can
get
very
expensive.
O
I
recently
started
late
middle
of
last
week
in
case
they've
been
pending
since
2015
and
at
that
point
of
the
settlement,
if
he's
in
that
case,
which
the
issues
were
substantial,
but
it
was
like
800
000,
but
of
course
this
was
2015
today,
so
you
just
don't
know
because
litigation
evidence
and
clothes.
This
first
case
the
one
that
we're
talking
about
the
man
davis
case.
That's
gonna
go
pretty
quickly
based
on
the
pressing
deadlines
with
the
kick
of
the
election.
O
The
other
case
we
know
we'll
go
to
trial
at
the
earliest
till
probably
like
I
said
april
may
of
next
year.
There
can
be
a
lot
of
litigation.
There
are
also
opportunities
to
mediate.
Somebody
said
why
in
the
media?
A
So
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
I
can
fall
back
on
28
years
of
law
enforcement
experience
and
I'm
going
to
do
that
tonight.
One
of
the
things
that
I
learned
early
on
as
a
as
a
law
enforcement
officer
was
and
as
a
supervisor
if
the
commanding
officer
gave
me
an
order
and
it
was
in
an
unlawful
order.
I
cannot
support,
I'm
told
not
to
support
an
unlawful
order,
so
I
won't
support
number
four.
A
When
there's
direct
conflict
with
the
florida
state
statutes
on
the
referendum,
how
can
you
support
it?
It
has
to
be
in
line
with
the
florida
state
statutes
in
order
to
support
it.
I've
taken
advanced
law
classes
when
I
was
in
the
jacksonville
sheriff's
office
and
we
were
expected
to
follow
the
law.
So
mr
gabriel
said
that
several
times
like
follow
the
law.
Well,
this
is
an
opposition
of
the
law.
How
do
you
support
it
when
it
doesn't
it's
not
protected
by
florida
state
statutes?
A
A
Well,
that's
why
we're
here
to
begin
with,
we
can't
do
that,
because
the
department
of
labor
said
we
can't
we
and
our
citizens
and
our
taxpayers
have
suffered
as
a
result
of
this.
So
you
want
me
to
pass
a
referendum
that
says:
hey.
Let's
continue
to
suffer
at
the
hands
of
the
department
of
labor,
because
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
what
we
did
before,
which
was
wrong,
so
that
has
to
be
rewritten
in
some
form
or
fashion.
That
makes
sense
to
clarify
the
language
of
what
has
happened
in
the
past.
A
That's
the
way
I
see
it
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
because
it
wasn't
until
you
brought
it
up.
We
do
have
life
saving,
lifeguard
saving
services
on
the
beach
now
six
days
out
of
the
week.
So
it's
not
like
they're
unprotected
and
that's
the
kind
of
the
the
the
untold
message
that's
trying
to
be
conveyed,
which
is
not
true.
A
B
N
Yeah
a
couple
of
things:
first,
is
you
know
when
I
look
at
it
from
the
surface?
I
see
an
ethical
dilemma
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
because
it's
been
a
while
since
we
signed
it,
but
our
oath
is
to
uphold
the
law,
and
you
know
the
ethical
dilemma
is
what
to
do
when
that
is
potentially
illegal,
such
in
this
situation.
N
The
law
is,
you
know,
section
166,
but
what
is
you
know
potentially
illegal,
and
so
you
know
first
I'd
like
to
say
that,
just
because
it
doesn't
go
on
the
next
general
election
doesn't
mean
there
isn't
an
opportunity
for
a
special
election,
which
you
pointed
out,
there's
also
an
election
in
march.
It's
a
lot
of
elections,
there's
always
elections,
and
you
know
second
off
I'd
like
to
point
out.
You
know
the
first.
The
first
requested
action
is
to
advance
a
resolution
for
consideration
a
special
city
council
meeting
on
our
own
procedures.
N
If
that
were
to
be
denied
and
bear
with
me
for
one
second,
while
I
pull
up
sandy's
email,
she
sent
it
to
me
sandy
robinson,
not
truly,
that
the
a
council
member
may
request
a
special
meeting
by
calling
the
city
clerk
stating
the
reason
for
his
request
city
clerk
hold
on
other
members
of
the
council.
If
majority
agree
the
request,
the
council
member,
the
meeting
will
be
called
by
the
clerk.
N
There
is
at
least
48
hours
previous
written
notice
given
to
each
council
person,
but
if
it
is
a
emergency
that
can
be
waived
and
sandy
ross,
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that's
to
paraphrase
that
last
part.
So
you
know
just
if
it
gets
denied
tonight,
there's
still
opportunity
to
call
a
special
city
council
meeting
any
one
of
us
can
call
it,
but
I
want
to
point
out
two
things
that
the
attorney
said:
first,
ms
mayers,
that
it's
always
important
to
have
all
the
right
information
number
one.
B
N
I
don't
know
which
one
which
one
is
it
at
this
point.
Also
our
you
know,
mr
gabriel
said
it's
for
the
course
to
decide
whether
the
info
is
valid.
I
believe
that
and
that
you
know
it's
not,
for
you
know
I
can't
decide
if
the
info
is
valid.
There's
there's
case
law,
precedent
whatever
it
may
be,
but
the
judge
has
to
decide
that
not
nominee
in
my
opinion-
and
you
know
to
me,
we
need
to
know
if
it's
lawful
under
florida
law
to
advance
it.
I
can't
support
it.
N
If
it's
not
lawful,
it's
an
ethical
dilemma,
and
you
know
if
the
judge
says
that
this
is
lawful,
then
we'll
quote:
I
fully
support
it
and
if
they
can
make
it
to
the
november
8th
ballot
great,
if
not
fully
support
a
special
election.
If
it's
unlawful,
then
we
it
can't
go
to
the
election
and
that's
you
know
at
that
point.
You
mentioned
mediation.
Legal
resolutions
can
be
met.
So
you
know
at
this
point.
I
think
really.
The
only
thing
we
should
be
considering
is
whether
you
know
the
lawsuit's
already
been
filed.
N
N
I
I
don't
know
what
the
informed
decision
is
right
now,
based
on
you
presented
plenty
of
appropriate
facts
that
I
understand,
but
until
I
think,
until
a
court
and
a
judge
says
that
this
is
lawful,
then
I'm
faced
with
that
ethical
dilemma
of
upholding
the
law.
What
is
what
is
the
law.
G
I
just
want
to
to
make
it
very
clear
that-
and
I
think
my
fellow
colleagues
have
said
the
same
thing-
I'm
not
trying
to
do
away
with
the
vlc
or
disband
the
vlsc,
and
I
and-
and
none
of
us
here
want
to
disband
the
vlc
or
do
away
with
the
lsc.
G
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
that
there's
a
legal
path
forward
at
this
at
this
moment
now.
Some
comments
have
been
made
over
time
and
I
think
that
what
what
bears
bringing
up
is
that
I
a
lot
of
people,
do
not
understand
that
there's
actually
two
separate
groups
of
lifeguards
yeah,
because
I
I'm
one
of
those
people.
I
mean
I've
lived
here
for
22
years
and
until
this
issue
came
up
I'll
have
to
be
very
honest
with
you.
G
G
That
they
would
have
that
the
means
with
let's
see,
working
together
with
the
jabor
means
working
alongside
and
together
in
substantially
the
same
manner.
The
parties
have
historically
worked
together,
including
but
not
limited
to
the
course
providing
lifeguard
services
on
sundays
and
major
holidays.
G
Okay,
I've
I've
done
some
research
and
found
some
really
good
information
about
the
fair
labor
standards
act
and
talking
about
volunteers
and
what's
an
employee
and
what's
a
volunteer,
and
it's
it's
important
to
to
mention
this-
that
it
states
that
the
fair
labor
standards
act
is
the
statute
that
governs
which
workers
are
considered
employees
and
which
are
volunteers.
G
And
then
it
goes
on.
It
goes
on
to
say
that
there
are,
according
to
the
us
department
of
labor,
there's
factors
that
must
be
true
and
for
someone
to
be
a
true
volunteer
and
one
of
the
things
it
says
is
no
regular.
Employees
have
been
displaced
by
the
volunteer
and
it
goes
on
to
say.
Although
volunteers
can
help
build
program
capacity,
they
should
never
be
used
to
substitute
for
paid
personnel
and
are
not
a
substitute
for
adequate
program.
G
But
I
think
this
is
the
crux
of
it
and
that
and
if,
if
this
referendum
were
to
pass-
and
this
says
that
we
have
to
work
alongside
the
vlsd
in
and
and
the
vlc
is
allowed
to
provide
lifeguarding
services
on
sundays
and
holidays,
then
it
sounds
to
me
like.
We
are
still
violating
the
fair
labor
standards
act
and
there
are
consequences
to
that.
And
so
can
you
expand.
O
On
that
this,
this
precise
issue
is
one
of
the
things
that
will
be
an
issue
in
the
case.
That's
currently
pending
the
vlsc
labor
attorneys,
mr
alexander,
and
folks
that
worked
with
him.
Mr
chauncey
and
others
have
taken
the
position
that
they
could
easily
just
kind
of
leave
the
magic
wand.
This
all
would
have
gone
away,
and
I
certainly
don't
underestimate.
Mr
alexander
went
to
high
school.
O
We
were
in
the
same
graduating
class
at
the
school
of
high
school,
but
the
problem
is
the
question
you
just
raised
is
one
that
has
no
answer
and
that's
the
answer
because,
as
we
know
sitting
here
today,
this
city
is
providing
those
services,
those
same
services,
seven
days
a
week
and
on
holidays
and
without
the
blsc
that
would
fit
the
definition
of
the
service
that
we
can
provide.
That
is
not
that
and
that,
in
order
to
accommodate
now
the
lsc,
it
would
be
a
displacement,
at
least
on
those.
D
O
Of
city
workers
who
would
be
getting
hours
and
and
whatever
the
benefits
that
are
that
go
with
that
there
may
be
an
answer,
don't
know
that's
what
litigation
is
about,
but
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why,
when,
for
example,
speaking
with
mr
alexander
and
again
others
in
his
office,
they
said
well,
this
is
an
easy
fix.
This
is
easy,
we'll
simply
no
longer
hire
or
never.
We
will
not
let
city
employees
work
as
volunteers
that
doesn't
go
to
the
whole
issue.
O
You
just
mentioned
it's
not
about
whether
they
are
or
not,
volunteers
who,
six
days
a
week,
work
in
the
city
and
then
on
sunday
college
volunteer.
That's
only
the
tip
of
this
very
large
iceberg,
most
of
which
is
underwater
and
the
question
becomes
as
a
government.
What
risks
do
you
take
with
taxpayer
dollars
to
prove
a
point
at
what
point
do
you
say?
O
J
O
But
in
this
case
it
might
be
one
of
the
few
cases
in
which
it
could
be
a
valuable
thing,
not
just
yet,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
potentially
some
value
there
and
we
can
at
least
discuss
it,
because
the
problem
is.
As
the
lawyer.
I
do
not
know
all
the
personnel
issues
that,
for
example,
mr
staples
has
to
deal
with
in
trying
to
address
these
situations.
So
I
don't
want
to
throw
out
a
suggestion
that
people
will
latch
on
to
and
say
that's
the
solution
when
I
don't
know
its
impacts.
O
And
I'll
sketch
with
us
robinson,
we
may
if
we
continue
to
go
down
this
path,
sit
down
with
you
in
a
group
setting
and
discuss
this
problem
and
see
if
there's
a
possibility,
but
in
order
to
people
for
people
to
negotiate.
This
is
critically
important.
I
understand
for
everybody
in
this
room.
It
takes
two
parties
who
are
willing
to
compromise
and
it
cannot
be
just
one
party
or
it
will
never
work.
G
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
shepherd.
One
other
thing
in
my
research
I
I
read
that
that
there
are
stiff
penalties.
If
we
we
know
now,
we
have
been
put
on
notice
by
the
dol
that
what
we
were
doing
was
a
violation.
G
O
Someone
who
refuses
to
fix
up
their
property
repeatedly
the
fines
can
go
from
100
a
day
up
to
five
thousand
dollars.
So,
yes,
those
those
exist
and
usually
hinges
around
the
term
good
faith
as
the
city
or
the
whatever
government
entity
or
employer,
has
have
they
engaged
with
faith
effort
to
try
to
resolve
the
issues.
O
As
you
well
know,
when
we
were
presented
with
finding
the
department
of
labor,
the
city
made
a
decision,
I
wasn't
a
part
of
it,
but
I
understand
it
to
say:
okay,
we
we
see
your
evidence
and
it's
compelling
and
we
don't
want
to
be
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
department
of
labor.
We
will
try
to
get
right
and
fix
it
and
that's
what
we've
done.
That's
all
we've
done
and
for
that
we've
gotten
ourselves
in
now
two
different
lawsuits,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
important
to
remember
how
we
got
here.
O
B
O
These
are
taxpayer
dollars,
and
so,
when
you
decide
to
tell
the
department
of
labor,
you
disagree
with
them.
There's
a
price
tag
associated
with
that
and
the
evidence
that
was
presented
was
compelling
in
in
favor
of
what
the
department
of
labor
was
saying
and
your
attorneys
at
the
time
agreed,
and
that's
why
we
settled
that's
as
simple
as
that.
There
was
no
coercive
motive.
O
G
I
guess
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
that
the
vlsc
is,
as
everyone
has
said,
a
very
long-standing
important
part
of
our
community.
I
hope
that
there's
some
way
that
we
can.
We
can
work
out
a
relationship
with
the
vlsc
going
forward
that
that
that
is
legally.
G
Valid
for
us,
because
the
vlsc
is
a
is
an
important
part
of
our
community.
So
thank
you,
mr
shepherd.
I
appreciate
your
additional
information.
G
C
I
fully
believe
in
the
right
of
the
voters
to
petition
government.
I
worked
on
a
statewide
ballot
initiative
in
20
years
ago
now,
where
we
did
same
same
fundamental
actions
of
gathering
petitions
and
going
through
a
very
rigorous
process,
including
supreme
court
validation
of
our
petition
before
it
could
go
on
the
ballot.
C
Voters
expect
that
by
the
time
something
gets
on
the
ballot,
such
as
the
petition
or
a
ballot
or
charter
amendment,
that
it's
been
fully
vetted,
that
it's
legal
that
it's
enforceable
and
it's
implementable.
They
assume
that
they
don't
feel
like
they
need
to
read
every
word.
If
you're
a
trusted
person
outside
of
sunderland,
you
handed
them
this
petition.
They
trust
you
they're
gonna,
sign
it.
C
C
There
was
a
very
fundamental
mistake
and
it
was
that
the
wrong
city
was
listed
as
the
charter
that
was
being
amended
and
that
something
that
that
negates
the
petition,
but
it
certainly
is
something
that
immediately
gave
me
pause
and
questioning
everything
else.
That
was
on
those
two
pieces
of
paper
after
it
everything
else.
If
they
got
the
city
wrong,
what
else
did
they
get
wrong?
Mr
eddins
mentioned
that
I
made
a
statement
at
one
of
the
meetings
with
regards
to
the
lifeguard
station
and
that
the
lifeguard
station
was
not
in
jeopardy.
The.
B
C
C
This
alleged
land
grab
at
that
time-
and
I
spoke
frankly,
I
did
not
believe
the
lifeguard
station
was
in
jeopardy
right
now.
I
do
believe
the
lifeguard
station
is
in
jeopardy
if
this
amendment
passes
and
you
take
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
out
of
the
equation
under
that
deep
restriction,
the
red
cross
can
do
what
they
want
with
it.
C
It
says
in
there
the
national
red
cross.
So
now
you
have
someone
in
washington
dc
making
the
decision
what
to
do
with
this
very
valuable
piece
of
property.
It's
not.
The
member
of
the
red
cross
who's
been
coming
to
the
board
meetings
or
the
member
of
the
red
cross,
who
used
to
be
a
lifeguard.
It
is
someone
in
washington
dc.
So,
mr
evans,
when
I
said
that
at
a
meeting
that
I
that
the
lifeguard
station
was
safe
again,
we
need
it.
F
B
F
C
C
Again
it
wasn't,
but
if
this
and
then
it
passes,
I
believe
that
it
will
be,
and
our
expert
guidance
believes
that
it
will
be
as
well
and
that's
why
the
reverter
clause,
the
timing
of
that
letter
is
now,
and
maybe
we
should
have
done
it
sooner,
but
that's
why
it's
now
and
not
somewhere
down
the
road
when
we've
gone
gone
too
far
past
when
we
could
do
anything
about
it
and
and
miss
golding,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
us
and
I've
spoken
with
many
of
you
in
this
room
that
we
would
love
to
find
a
path
forward.
C
B
C
Lawsuit,
we
get
the
ballot
initiative
that
puts
it
in
the
court
stance
and
that
puts
it
in
the
voter's
hands,
but
it
takes
it
out
of
our
ability
to
sit
down
and
solve
this
issue.
So
I
I
appreciate
that
you
guys
have
opinions
on
what
I'm
saying
but,
like
I
said,
we're
going
to
be
respectful
while.
C
K
C
So
again,
there's
that's
just
the
lifeguard
station
and
the
jeopardy
that
it
can
be
put
in
is
my
my
biggest
single
concern
and
it
should
be
everybody's
concern
and-
and
that's
that's,
my
position-
miss
dumont.
E
Thank
you
when
I'm
asked
about
this,
it's
it's
a
complicated
thing
once
you
get
to
when
you
get
the
federal
government
involved
in
things,
things
become
very
complicated
and
they
were
here
because
of
the
lawsuit
against
us,
not
you,
but
against
that
submit
to
pay
out
on
that.
How
I
describe
it
to
people
is,
we
have
had
a
relationship
with
the
vlsc
for
over
100
years.
E
E
Very
different
than
they
were
in
100
years
ago,
the
40s,
the
50s,
the
60s
and
the
plsc
knows
this.
When
you
had
to
start
putting
women,
it's
changed.
You
change
some
of
your
earned
internal
processes,
but
the
other
issue
is
the
relationship
and
because
we're
when
they
see
us
as
dual
employers
that
ends
up
being
very
problematic.
E
B
B
E
E
For
my
my
what
I'm
saying,
because
he
can
play
it
better
than
me.
E
I
am
I'm
a
phd
in
political
sciences,
nothing
that's
more
important
to
me
than
government
and
community,
nothing.
That
is
more
important.
That
is
why
I
am
up
here.
I
ran
because
that
is
what
is
critical
to
me.
It
pains
me
in
my
heart
to
know
that
a
lot
of
citizens-
and
you
all
want
this
to
go
before
the
citizens,
but
we're
also
faced
with
it,
may
be
illegal,
and
then
you
can't
we
we
cannot
know
in
good
faith.
We
can't
vote
on
something
that
you
would
be
voting
on
at
the
ballot
box.
E
E
O
No,
if
we
would
be
essentially
in
reverse
positions,
they
have
filed
a
lawsuit
even
before
you've
taken
action
to
get
you
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
and
they're
in
a
hurry.
O
If
you
say
we're
going
to
authorize
it
going
on
the
ballot,
but
do
whatever
you
can
to
keep
it
off
about
now
the
rules
are
reversed.
We,
then
they
just
start
immediately
by
filing
a
petition
for
declaratory
relief,
likely,
maybe
other
counts.
Don't
know,
haven't
thought
that
part
through
and
try
to
get
a
hearing,
like
I
mentioned
before
a
temporary
injunction
here
and
try
to
get
kind
of
judged
as
quickly
as
possible
to
see
if
we
can
get
a
ruling
that
says
no.
O
I
have
been
in
these
disputes
and
I
have
seen
judges
understand
the
issues
that
are
being
raised
even
understand
the
validity
of
those
issues,
but
wait
to
see
if
the
voters
are
going
to
go
down
that
road,
because
that
ultimately
voters
say
we
have
now
understood
what's
going
on
here.
We
do
not
want
to
get
rid
of
the
lifeguard
station.
You
want
the
city
to
have
control
over
it
and
they
vote
against
it.
J
O
Decision
ever
gets
made
because
the
referral
simply
fails,
so
judges
do
that
other
judges
say
I've
read
the
law.
I
can
see
how
it's
been
briefed
on
both
sides
and
that's
how
it
would
be,
and
it
will
be
argued-
and
then
I
think
this
limit
has
no
future,
and
I
don't
want
the
voters
out
there
to
think
that
they're
passing
something
that
has
merit
and
it
can
go
either
way
a
an
example
where
it
goes.
One
way
we
had
an
initiative.
I
was
the
chartered
new
council
of
orange
county.
O
They
did
their
first
car
interview
in
four
or
five
years,
and
it
took
a
year
to
get
through.
One
of
the
issues
that
was
challenged
was
something
that
was
put
on
the
ballot
challenged
by
osceola
county
because
they
said
the
fact
that
they're
their
life,
they
went
through
an
emergency
hearing.
I
was
successful
in
getting
them
to
stay
on
the
ballot
and
it
passed
by
an
86
margin.
On
the
other
side
of
that
equation,
I've
been
in
an
initiative
where
we
tried
to
keep
it
off
the
ballot.
O
We
told
the
court,
it
was
problematic.
The
court
said
yeah,
it
was
problematic,
but
I'm
going
to
see
what
the
voters
do.
Then
the
voters
did
what
they
did
and
then
the
judge
said
no,
I'm
throwing
it
out
after
the
fact,
and
it
can
go
either
way.
O
Usually
the
argument
that
we
would
make
on
on
the
side
of
the
city
to
not
advance
it
is
to
not
create
false
posts,
do
not
set
out
for
the
citizens
who
are
already
confused
about
what
this
issue
really
is
and
let
them
believe
that
their
votes
are
being
nullified
by
a
judge
before
they
actually
after
they
voted.
So
many
judges
would
say:
look
if
I'm.
If
I
can
see,
there's
a
problem.
O
E
That's
what
that's?
What
makes
lawsuits
okay
well!
Thank
you.
So
the
I
personally
am
opposed
to
this
amendment,
not
because
I'm
opposed
to
the
dlsc,
because
I
don't
think
that
this
is
something
that
belongs
in
the
city
charter,
because
the
city
charter
is
a
constitution
and
this
is
an
operational
piece.
So
this
is
something
that
could
be
worked
out,
hopefully
down
the
road
when
we
get
to
that.
So.
E
I'll
end
up
voting
against
this
only
because
of
the
issues
with
the
legality
part,
I
think
you
should
have
a
vote
on
it,
but
what
you
vote
on
should
be
a
document
that
actually
is
a
legal
document,
so
it
can
be
implemented,
not
something
that
then
has
to
go
through
a
lot
of
court
litigation
to
find
out
if
it
is
or
it
isn't.
So,
that's
where
I
stand,
but
still
I
I
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
caring
about
your
community.
N
O
Speaking
just
about
the
referendum
there's
already
now
a
filed,
lawsuit
called
the
written
endings.
It
basically
says
I
haven't
read:
these
are
what
they
say
they
say.
Basically,
this
is
an
act
in
which
you
have
no
discretion,
and
you
needed
to
do
this
and
you
should
now
be
ordered
to
do
it.
The
case
law
says
that
you,
don't
man
that
you
don't
get
a
right
by
mandators.
O
O
If
they
lose,
there
could
easily
be
around
two
called
an
appeal
if
we
lose
depending
on
your
authorization,
there
could
also
be
so
knowing
when
it's
final,
the
only
way
you
know
something
is
final
is
when
all
appeals
are
over
because
everybody
stops
or,
alternatively,
goes
to
the
supreme
court
like
that
case
did,
and
the
supreme
court
weighed
in
and
then
it's
over
so
but
the
quickest
way
to
start
down
that
road
is
to
play
out
the
lawsuit.
That's
been.
C
J
Make
a
comment
I'll
make
a
common
person,
then
I'll.
Ask
the
question
me
personally.
I
would
like
to
see
a
clear
distinction
between
blsc
and
jayborn
if
we
move
forward
through
mitigation.
Obviously
that's
what
the
department
of
labor
said
and
that's
what
we
need
to
do
now.
The
question
is,
madam
clerk:
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
referendum.
O
Continue
to
operate
in
a
short
answer,
the
answer
is
yes,
okay,
and
this
is
of
course
the
problem
because,
when
you
say
long-standing
practice
is
that
long-standing
from
when
vlsc
got
involved,
or
was
that
long-standing
from
110
years
ago,
or
is
it
50
years
ago
who's?
The
historian?
Who
is
going
to
tell
us?
I
don't
know
we
didn't
touch
on
them
because
that
they
just
gets
you
in
the
weeds
deeper.
O
But
there's
a
lot
about
this,
that's
fake
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
it
would
actually
look
like
if
we
were
to
go
down
this
road,
but.
J
O
D
Well,
my
personal
opinion:
is
you
don't
get
the
attorneys
involved
till
it's
the
very
last
resort
of
things
to
do
like?
I
said
before,
I'm
very
disheartened
with
how
this
all
turned
out
with
our
community.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
are
upset
about
it
and
obviously
the
llc
keeps
suing
if
it
gets
on
if
it
gets
on
the
ballot,
the
city's
going
to
appeal
it
and
I'm
going
to
find
the
most
expeditious
way
to
resolve
this.
I
think
if
you
like,
mr
shepherd
said
that
this
is
going
to
create
false
hope.
D
I
think
that
if
it
does
get
on
the
ballot,
I
I
honestly
believe
it'll
pass.
I
think
y'all
will
go
out
and
show
that
you
don't
care
so
much
about
it.
You'll
knock
on
every
door
in
the
city
20
times
and
you
will
get.
You
will
read
this
to
them
and
you
will
give
your
side
the
the
legal
side
from
a
city's
perspective,
protest
protecting
what
the
city
and
protect
trying
to
protect
their
residents
and
keep
out
of
trouble
with
the
bureau
of
labor
and
everything
else.
So
you
know
I'm
gonna
vote.
D
I'm
gonna
vote
no!
On
this,
because
I
want
the
lawsuits
to
hurry
up
and
come
on,
I
I
don't
think
it
makes
any
sense
to
get
on
the
ballot,
because
it's
gonna
get
it's
gonna
get
appealed.
You
know
I
would
like
to
see
I'd
like
to
see
all
of
it,
get
that
all
the
lawsuits
get
get
pulled
away
and
let's
try
to
sit
down
and
resolve
this.
I
think
there
is
a
path
forward
and
I'm
not
gonna,
but
once
a
lawsuit
has
been
filed,
it
really
tied
our
hands.
A
lot.
D
A
One
more
quick
question:
can
a
referendum
require
a
city
to
use
a
specific
non-profit?
I've
never
seen
that
in
my
lifetime
and
then
what
happens
if
this
were
to
pass?
What
happens
if
joe's
lifeguard
said
human
services
comes
in
and
says:
well,
we.
O
Want
to
do
it
too?
Well,
I
didn't,
as
I
mentioned,
there
were
many
issues
that
we
didn't
go
into,
but
to
your
point,
that
is
one
of
the
problems
and
another
way
to
look
at
it
is
if
this
referendum
has
currently
devised
was
illegal
and
something
that
could
be
done
substitute
out.
The
life
guard
station,
the
city
hall
or
the
police
building
the
fire
building
the
public
works,
building
and
asked
me.
Then,
under
those
circumstances,
could
a
referendum
force
you
to
deed
over
any
of
those
buildings
to
any
non-profit
you
make.
J
So
my
colleagues
to
my
left,
mrs
stokes
and
dumas
I'm
a
political
science
nerd,
I
don't
have
a
phd,
but
I'm
a
political
science
nerd.
J
And
I
I
have
to
agree-
and
I
also
agree
with
mr
stokes,
where
there's
an
ethical
dilemma
here-
voting
yes,
regardless
referendum.
The
first
for
the
first
sentence
of
this
referendum
is
something
that
the
department
of
labor
does
not
want
us
to
do.
J
C
The
motion
was
to
approve
advancement
of
a
resolution
for
consideration
at
a
special
city
council
meeting.
Madam
clerk
roll
call.
C
No
motion
fails
the
next
item
regarding
the
legal
challenge.
D
E
Yeah,
so
now
that
the
emotion
was
voted
down,
it
will
not
be
moving
forward
to
the
ballot.
Do
we
need
to?
If
does
this
become
you
know,
the
boy
or
because
there's
a
lawsuit?
We
finally
should.
O
Stop
the
second
part,
because
these
are
mandamus,
there
can
be
cross-claims
counter
claims,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
drawn
in
that
action
to
challenge
some
of
the
substances
of
what
we
talked
about.
So
with
this
authorization
we
already
have
the
lawsuit
that
we're
going
to
be
defending.
We
can
bring
those
claims.
N
Just
clarifies
we're
not
advancing
it
at
this.
At
this
point,
I
think
it's
a
special
meeting
he's
still
defaulting.