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A
B
B
Right
just
touch
on
a
couple
of
things:
the
mentions
we
will
be
purchasing
25
of
those
they
are
those
scaling
triangles.
Like
you
guys
selected,
we
finally
found
a
vendor
that
actually
carries
those
standard
as
part
of
one
of
our
piggybacks,
the
rip
flop
fence
as
a
repair.
Thank
you
to
Trevor
and
Parks
and
Rec
for
that.
The
Downtown.
B
Meeting,
let's
see
the
Beach
town
center,
Oaxaca
have
got
their
outdoor
tables
and
chairs.
Jackals
have
not
been
delivered
yet,
but
they
are
should
be
here
soon.
We
will
be
taking
the
jayville
ordinance.
You
guys
reviewed
that
a
couple
months
ago
now,
Heather
can
elaborate
on
that
if
we
need
to,
but
that
will
be
reviewed
at
Council
meetings
on
August,
the
7th
and
August
the
21st,
and
then
the
art
survey
that
we
have
in
here.
B
If
you
will,
and
so
we've
got
six
sea
life
options
for
the
public
to
vote
on
it
and
then
the
second
one
is
Oregon,
and
so
we
are
going
to
release
that
survey
tomorrow
and
then
finally,
the
art
committee
meeting
in
July
is
going
to
be
canceled,
we're
going
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
a
break
because
we'll
have
at
least
two
meetings
in
August.
One
will
be
to
review
the
people
of
our
roundabout
stuff
and
then
their
regular
meeting,
and
then
that
is
I
think
all
I've
got.
C
E
Can
you
give
me
an
update
of
work?
We
stand
with
the
P3
document
looking
at
or
trying
to
pull
together
for
for.
B
Review
yeah,
so
we're
still
reviewing
things
internally.
Mr,
Gilmore
and
Thunderbird
have
been
helping
us
kind
of
socialize
that
concept.
We've
got
a
couple
of
folks
actually
reaching
out
to
ask
some
questions
about
the
site.
We
have
another
internal
meeting
tomorrow
and
we
are
looking,
hopefully
July,
August
time
frame
to
get
the
actual
final
document
in
front
of
you
guys
not
until.
E
B
E
Community
well,
I
agree
with
you
there,
it's
just
that.
You
know
for
us
to
review
it
and
take
a
look
at
it.
We
could
already
start
commenting
on
it
and
picking
up
changes
so
that
when
the
design
is
done,
all
of
that
could
be
released
feels,
like
you
know,
it'll
end
up
being
another
month
or
two
after
that.
That
would
ultimately
go
out
on
the
street
I'm
just
trying
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
move
that
along
yeah.
E
C
B
C
B
The
downtown
district
tourism
industry
type
businesses
wanted
to
own
or
three
of
the
four
are
owned
by
the
same
group.
If
you
will.
But
we've
got
four
that
had
in
the
last
week
and
a
half
submitted
inquiries
and
I've
had
a
meeting
with
one
to
walk
them
through
on
the
application
exciting
to
see
that.
B
B
An
extra
school
year
for
the
downtown,
that's
a
part
of
something
we
can
go
over
when
we
get
to
the
budget
conversation
so
that'll
be
a
capital
Improvement
project,
that's
broken
out
between
FY,
24
and
25,
and
then
we
did
have
one
of
our
curtain
Lots
in
the
downtown
that
had
some
lights
that
were
out
that
needed
some
attention
and
we
had
an
update
from
Beach's
interview
today.
That
was
they've
ordered
the
farts
and
everything
they're
just
waiting
on
stuff
to
come
in
to
repair
to
the
lights
in
the
downtown.
B
But
as
far
as
the
big
overhaul
of
that's
next
fiscal
year
into
25.
E
E
There's
you
know,
I
still
want
to
express
my
concern
about
the
fact
that
turned
over
First
Street
in
reference
to
the
workout
in
front
of
Spring,
Hill
and
I,
haven't
seen
any
improvements
in
what's
happened
there
at
Spring,
Hill
and
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
sit
down
and
take
a
look
at
that
in
in
coordination
with
what
we
ultimately
do
as
part
of
the
peer
Design
and
Renovation
work
for
your
entries,
it
just
seems
like
we
need
to
really
really
take
a
hard
look
at
that
I'd
like
to
see
us
put
that
on
our
agenda
in
one
of
our
upcoming
workshops
for
our
meetings.
E
Now
part
of
it
is,
it
doesn't
have
from
the
city
council
as
it
relates
to
what
needs
to
be
done
or
would
like
to
have
done
for
First
Street
based
on
the
urban
Trails
concept,
but
to
get
some
direction
from
City
Council
on
that,
so
that
we
can
make
a
determination
as
to
how
we
want
to
proceed
with
the
paperwork
on
First
Street.
E
E
B
E
E
It
sounds
like
we're
just
about
done
with
that
work
based
on
the
other
update
that
we
were
just
given.
Is
there
still
going
to
be
an
overlay
done
on
the
asphalt
in
that
in
that
area?.
F
Ing
Public
Works
director,
when
you
say
in
the
area,
what
exactly
area
are
you
working
in
the.
E
F
F
E
F
Know
most
of
the
time
they
put
in
one
layer
of
asphalt,
one
inch
asphalt
asphalt
and
then
they
let
it
sit
like
that
until
they're
completely
done
and
they
get
all
the
construction
and
all
the
rest
of
the
punchless
stuff
done.
And
then
they
come
in
and
do
the
second
layer
and
you'll
find
a
layer
so
that
when
they're
finished,
it's
gone
and
they're
not
dragging
a
bunch
of
equipment,
trucks
and
everything
else.
Right.
Right
and.
E
Then
the
on
the
southwest
corner,
where
they've
staged
their
construction
activities,
but
what's
the
final
final
product
that
we're
going
to
give
back
once
that's.
F
G
C
F
E
D
You
want
to
handle
that
one
I'd
be
happy
to
so
Council
gosh.
It
was
back
last
fall
expressive
interest
in
changing
the
requirements
for
alcohol,
full
alcohol
licenses
in
the
downtown
area
for
special
restaurants,
but
that
was
something
that
had
to
be
changed
in
Tallahassee,
so
that
bill
was
pushed
through
with
the
help
of
Duval
County
and.
D
Seats
and
2500
square
feet,
which
was
the
previous
rule.
The
state
did
have
another
house
bill
that
lowered
the
requirements
Statewide
to
I,
think
it's
120
seats
in
2
000
square
feet,
but
we
still
moved
forward
with
something
smaller
in
the
downtown
area
to
encourage
restaurants
to
come
in.
That
could
be
smaller
and
still
have
a
full
liquor
license,
so
51
food
and
all
the
other
restaurant
requirements.
No,
thank
you.
I
just
didn't
understand,
check
out.
A
I
can
back
to
First
Street
in
front
of
Spring
Hill.
Did
you
take
a
couple
of
pictures
and
get
into.
C
I
B
That
we
don't
want
to
I'm
just
expanding
at
this
time
to
scope
of
where
the
archivity
can
function.
We
just
haven't
gotten
the.
I
Okay
and
then
the
other
thing
I
had
a
question
on
actually
I.
Don't
have
a
question
on
that
extremely
fine
with
it,
but
you
might
be
getting
a
phone
call
from
somebody,
okay,
I'm
nervous
to
the
new
city.
That's
all
I'm!
Second
over
here
the
question
I
got
was
if
it's
supposed
to
be
a
trial
and
temporary
the
extension
to
the
restaurants
to
be
able
to
utilize
the
space
versus
Park.
How
come
a
place
that
has
been
staged
not
available
for
parking
because
it's
been
built
up
and
it
was
very,
very
nice.
I
B
G
To
airport
the
first
Spring
Hill
Suites
situation
on
First
and
I,
you
know
we
have
some
general
talk
about
updating
or
refreshing
First
Street,
but
that
area
would
seem
to
be.
You
know
like
a
punch
list
they
when
they
complete
the
hotel,
they
have
to
fix
the
road,
and
it's
been
several
months
since
they
look.
G
You
know,
there's
been
nothing
done
on
that
stretch
of
road
and
I
think
you
know
we
don't
want
to
let
that
slip
and
decombine
with
some
future
First
Street
project
when
they
should
be
out
there
repairing
and
trying
to
get
back
to
the
original
condition.
That
was
before
all
the
cement,
Trunks
and
whatnot,
and
then
maybe
just
a
clarification.
D
I
A
C
E
You
know
I
would
take
a
little
bit
of
the
exception
to
that.
In
that
everybody
had
opportunities,
we've
had
meetings
here,
it's
been
open
to
the
public
for
participation.
C
E
That
makes
it
very
difficult
for
the
general
public
to
attend
many
people,
working
and
so
forth,
and
so
I
would
just
suggest,
encourage
that,
as
we
do
further
workshops
and
sessions
that
we
consider
a
different
time
to
allow
the
public
to
properly
participate
and
provide
the
input
into
these
sessions.
Because
I
think
it's
valuable.
It's
important
that
we
get
the
input
and
we'll
make
it
easier
for
us
to
ultimately
get
everyone
to
understand
the
direction
that
we're
heading
and
why
we're
heading
in
the
directions
that
we
are.
E
I
know
we
all
decided
that
three
o'clock
worked
best
for
us
that
we're
sitting
here
at
the
table,
but
it
may
be
that
we
need
to
push
it
a
little
bit
later
into
the
evening.
A
E
Know,
there's
I
know,
there's
not
a
perfect
answer
to
this
and
I'm
just
I
guess
reacting
to
what
I
was
hearing
about
at
that
session.
Obviously
there's
another
meeting
tomorrow
evening,
but
you
know
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
work
on
everybody's
part.
I
think
we
can
come
to
a
reasonable,
reasonable
conclusion
on
this.
It's
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
everybody's
attention.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any.
I
Good
afternoon,
I
actually
lost
it
CFO.
The
item
before
you
today
is
a
discussion
of
the
downtown
budget
purposeful.
I
If
y'all
remember,
I
was
before
you
last
month
and
may
to
talk
about
the
staff
on
budget.
At
the
time
he
had
asked
if
I
go
to
the
downtown
to
June,
with
the
hope
that
we
would
have
accurate
estimates
for
that
project.
Four
and
five
that's
currently
up
to
bid.
I
Since
that
time
we
had
that
project
so
large.
We
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
it
and
have
issued
an
addendum
and
an
extension
of
that
time.
So
we
don't
have
bits
in
on
that.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
the
cash
flows
as
best,
we
can
present
them
with
the
understanding
that
they
might
change
when
that
project
comes
in.
But
we
have
tried
to
kind
of
take
into
consideration
the
magnitude
of
that
project.
I
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
first
page
you
should
have
received
is
for
that
Cape
program.
It's
the
this
page.
It
says:
Downtown,
Redevelopment,
District,
hate
program
and
there's
no
changing
to
staff
in
the
police
department,
but
there's
an
eight
percent
increase
in
wages
and
benefits
and
that's
in
accordance
with
our
paid
plan
and
your
new
contracts.
I
There
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
increase
in
the
repair
and
maintenance
budget,
and
that
is
for
the
camera
maintenance
agreement
that
was
previously
approved
by
the
agency
and
then
there's
an
increase
in
the
capital
outlay,
for
both
the
vehicle
replacement
program
and
the
radio
replacement
program.
So
in
total
the
budget
is
increased
by
22
percent
over
the
prior
year.
I
I
The
payroll
is
up
nine
percent
and
that's
in
accordance
with
our
pay
plan
and
our
Personnel
policies
and
then
there's
a
minor
decrease
in
operating
and
that's
just
the
kind
of
internal
service
charge
spread
that
might
fluctuate
year
over
year
and
then
there's
a
significant
decrease
in
the
capital
outlay,
and
that
is
because
projects,
four
and
five
were
budgeted
in
fiscal
23
and
we
anticipated
it
being
awarded.
So
we
will
not
be
re-budgeting
it
for
24.
I
E
Back
to
the
the
first
stage,
overall,
there
was
a
22
total
expenditure
increases.
You
see
that
anticipating
and
anticipating
that
that
will
continue
to
increase
at
that
rate
or
something.
I
I
We
are
anticipating
two
Replacements
in
this
coming
year
and
then
I
think
in
year
three,
the
plan
there
are
no
Replacements,
and
so
we
should
see
a
little
bit
of
a
leveling
off
if
not
a
little
bit
of
a
decrease
about
three
years
out.
E
Yeah,
obviously,
we're
gonna
have
to
watch
our
expenditures
with
the
way
inflation
is
increasing
things
that,
to
get
a
little
bit
more
sensitive
to
how
long
the
funds
are
being
extended
and
so
forth.
C
I
Okay,
if
there's
no
questions
on
the
administration,
then
the
third
document
that
you
should
have
received
is
the
summary
cash
flow
projections,
and
that
is
the
five-year
outlook
for
the
downtown
plan
and
the
page
right
behind.
It
is
kind
of
a
breakout
of
the
maintenance
program
and
the
capital
Improvement
projects
over
the
next
five
years.
So
the
things
I
wanted
to
call
out
to
your
attention
is
really
the
ending
cash
balance.
I
When
we
prepare
the
budget,
you
know
Mr
Patel
mentioned,
we
are
kind
of
keeping
our
eye
on
inflation,
incorporating
the
CIP
plan,
making
sure
that
we
can
afford
the
projects
and
the
year.
Sometimes
we
have
to
pace
ourselves
a
little
bit
to
make
sure
we
have
adequate
cash
flows,
but
the
plan
looks
how
the
the
downtown
tax
increment
district
is
healthy
and
we
are
maintaining
adequate
fund
reserves
over
the
five-year
window.
Taking
into
consideration
year
over
year,
increases
in
the
operating
costs,
the
repairs
and
maintenance
and
also
Personnel
charges.
I
E
Were
with
me
actually,
because
you
know
how
difficult
it
is
for
me
to
follow
a
number
sometimes
so
I've
got
a
getting
all
my
thoughts
together.
Here
is
the
funding
for
the
the
cameras
that
we
just
recently
approved
for
the
police
department.
You
included
within
the
capital
outline.
I
I
E
To
the
to
the
ventures,
show
up
somehow
in
the
CIP
program,
I
didn't
see
it
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
have
that
coverton.
I
B
B
E
E
J
B
It
out,
and
then
you
know,
Lakeland
Plaza
and
the
lighting
and
weight
finding
was
always
on
its
own
separate
thing,
but
that
is
accounted
for
under
the
downtown.
E
I
Well,
I,
don't
have
much
more
for
you
like
I,
said.
The
second
page
of
the
cash
flows
is
a
breakout
of
that
Capital
Improvement
plan
and
then
also
attached
to
your
documents
is
the
CIP
plan,
the
five-year
CIP
plan,
which
you
guys
saw
in
May
and
he
corrected
the
typos,
but
there
hasn't
haven't
been
any
substantive
changes
since
so
that's
all
I
have
is
a
presentation
and
I'll
just
remind
you
that
we'll
be
back
before
you
in
July
to
officially
adopt
the
budget
for
both
the
downtown
back.
E
Here
so
I
guess.
Actually
my
questions
are
when
I
look
at
the
Capital
Improvements
plan
and
I
try
to
tie
some
of
the
numbers
back
to
the
summary
cash
flow
projections.
I
can't
quite
get
there
to
the
numbers
as
an
example.
Downtown
tax
increment
funding
sources
shows
nine
million
seven
forty
three,
roughly
speaking
in
the
Capital
Improvements
plan.
E
I
I
C
C
I
I
You
know
I'm
I'm,
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
the
the
funding
sources
you.
E
Know
what
that
true
number
is
and
right
now
personally
I
just
see
you
know
different
numbers
and
I
guess
certain
things
could
be
added
and
subtracted
knowledge,
I
just
don't
know
exactly
which
ones
they
are
I
tried.
Several
different
combinations
and
I
haven't
gotten
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
better
understanding.
You
know
of
those
numbers
and
it's
it's
kind
of
the
same
thing
when
when
you
go
back
and
you
take
a
look
at
the.
E
When
I
take
a
look
at
the
roadway
work
and
so
forth,
it
shows
three
million
dollars,
but
I'm
not
getting
the
three
million
dollars
when
I
look
at
the
the
roadway
work
or
those
items
that
I
think
would
fall
within
that
category,
I'm
only
getting
to
roughly
2.697
million,
not
the
3
million
number
that
that
shows
up
in
the
Capital,
Improvements
description
and
so
again.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we've
got
our.
I
Numbers
right
so
with
the
roadway
work
and
if
the
items
in
the
capital
Improvement
plan,
some
projects
have
worked
within
the
district
and
outside
the
district,
and
so
what
you're?
Seeing
on
the
summary
cash
flows
is
only
the
money
that's
being
spent
out
of
the
tax
increment
funds
and
in
the
CIP
plan.
We
know
if
we're
spending
money
out
of
another
fund,
and
so
you
might
see
a
whole
project
for
three
million
dollars.
But
the
tip
might
only
be
picking
up
two
million
dollars.
I
It's
largely
the
CRA,
so
we
had
to
find
some
ownership
when
we
put
together
the
CIP
plan
and
instead
of
like
breaking
it
into
the
Public
Works
plan
and
the
CRA.
We
say
this
is
the
project
that
has
pieces
of
it
that
are
outside
the
district,
and
so
we
left
the
whole
project
as
a
total
together
and
the
CRA
Capital
movement
plan,
with
the
notation
of
the
funds
that
we've
spent
outside
in
the
district
by
other
funding
sources.
I
E
E
I
E
G
Back
on
that
total
capital
outplayed
on
the
31
000
difference,
yeah
I
have
them
to
notice
and
I'm,
not
a
believer
in
coincidences
when
you
look
at
numbers
and
spreadsheets,
but
the
31
170
difference
is
exactly
the
amount
of
equipment
and
radio
replacement
figures
up
above
under
Cape
Capital
outlay,
yeah,
you're
right
so
I
think
that's
probably
source.
I
I
A
B
Yes,
so
it
was
expressed
over
the
last
couple
of
meetings.
That
dinner
was
to
be
a
workshop,
commissary
and
Council
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
the
status
of
the
CRA
and
maybe
a
lot
of
times
when
things
moving
forward
and
how
to
be
more
efficient.
B
We
kind
of
took
the
feedback
we
received
at
our
last
meeting
and
basically,
the
three
topics,
if
you
will
that
we
have
given
to
the
city
manager's
office,
are
Syria
bylaws
procurement
policies
and
then
having
alternates
for
the
CRA
and
the
ability
to
get
two
alternates
like
our
other
boards
have,
and
so
with
that.
You
know
we'll
kind
of
turn
it
over
to
you
guys
and
we've
got
the
City
attorney
our
CFO,
our
city
manager,
are.
H
A
Let's
start
off
with
the
the
question
that
started
on
this.
E
It
seems
to
me,
like
the
project
and
then
also
from
my
perspective,
that
approved
the
funds
for
that
project,
that
those
funds
that
were
contingency
reserve
funds
for
the
initial
project-
maybe
maybe
the
CRA-
wants
to
use
those
for
other
purposes
rather
than
for
that
phase.
Two
project
and
I
think
the
the
board
decision,
rather
than
just
assuming
that
we
can
move
those
forms
it
into
another
project.
So
those
those
were
my
questions
and
just
thoughts
that
came
up
when,
when
this
item
was
presented,
it's
just
some
information
about
an
action
item.
E
E
The
city
Council
wants
us
to
accomplish,
and
we've
already
been
told
by
the
you
know
that
we're
not
getting
or
accomplished
and
I
feel
like
we're
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place,
because
we
we
can't
seem
to
move
projects
as
quickly
as
at
least
I
personally
would
like
to
see
him
move.
And
yet
you
know,
city
council
is
telling
us
you're
just
not
getting
the
work
done.
E
You
know
where
you're
not,
but
we
have
to
understand
procedures
and
historical
precedence,
we're
having
to
use
City
staff
on
everything
that
we
do,
but
City
staff
is
already
responsible
for
many
other
activities
of
things
that
occur
within
the
city
and
Mike
from
Paul
to
respect.
I
understand
that
you
know
you've
got
a
list
of
priorities
that
need
to
get
done
and
need
to
get
accomplished.
E
What?
Where
does
that
put
the
CRA?
That
puts
the
CRA
probably
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
priority
list
and
we're
not
getting
those
things
accomplished
that
the
city
council
would
really
like
us
to
to
accomplish
with
economic
development,
Lincoln
Plaza
and
read
about
how
parking
lot
and
Redevelopment
Lakeland
Plaza
design
work.
E
There's
just
a
number
of
things
that
you
really
need
to
find
an
Avenue
to
move
those
things
I,
think
more
efficiently
and
quickly
through
and
allow
us
to
do
the
things
that
the
way
I
read
and
refer
to
the
legal
counsel.
But
you
know
the
way.
I
read
these
State
statutes
the
enabling
legislation,
as
well
as
the
the
bylaws
of
the
CRA.
You
know
a
lot
of
responsibilities
have
been
delegated
to
the
CRA,
except
for
certain
things
that
state
statute
says
that
we
need
to
come
back
to
city
council
too.
E
But
how
do
we
all
work
more
effectively
and
efficiently
to
accomplish
the
things
that
that
we
all
want
to
see
for
the
city
and
that's
kind
of
were
all
of
my
questions
derived
from
and
it
may
be
that
we
just
need
to
have
a
lot
bigger
conversation
and
I.
Think
that's
why
the
conversation
with
city
council
at
the
end
of
July
I,
think,
is
an
important
one.
E
A
A
J
J
There
is
any
legal
Authority
for
our
staff
to
have
redirected
those
funds
without
coming
back
to
the
Sierra
Arizona
representation
of
what
the
issue
is
so
just
for
the
for
the
other
members
I
met
with
Mr
green
towel.
Last
week,
I
had
a.
J
This
particular
scenario
and
the
questions
presented
in
a
way
that
really
required
more
information,
but
when
you
start
with
the
sort
of
premise
that
the
phases
have
been
approved
by
the
CRA
phase,
one
was
approved
by
the
CRA
phase.
Two
had
not
been
approved
by
the
CRA
based
on
how
that
funding
was
made
for
the
phase,
one
that
becomes
the
answer
as
to
whether
or
not
staff
had
to
come
back
to
the
CRA.
So
there
was
no
Authority
provided
in
this
appropriation
that
the
funds
could
be
utilized
for
other
projects.
J
A
I?
Don't
think
what
was
done
was
any
kind
of
disrespect
from
Alice
I
think
it
was
just
an
efficiency
of
government
because
I
think
the
contractor
was
there
and
the
equipment
was
there
and.
A
J
So
I
mean
you
know,
I
I,
think
I
hear
an
agree
with
that,
and
it's
for
me.
It's
just.
You
know
what
what
is
in
place
to
set
up
the
next
step,
so
I
understand
the
efficiencies
of
government,
and
so,
if
there's
a
concern
about
maintaining
a
sort
of
a
case
in
terms
of
how
you
move
forward
through
your
projects,
when
you
approve
them,
then
you
best
or
confer
on
staff
sufficient
Authority
for
them
to
make
those
kinds
of
decisions
moving
forward
without
coming
back
to
the
CRA.
J
That's
what
I
would
do
if
I
were
advising
and
just
saying
just
put
it
all
there
at
one
time
and
then
you
don't
have
to
go
to
the
back
and
forth,
but
as
I
as
I
indicated
when
the
question
was
presented,
it
was
presented
in
the
context
of
you
know.
This
is
what
I
thought
of
you
for
staff
to
do
that,
and
you
always
start
with
the
paper.
J
How
was
the
authority
given
in
the
first
instance,
and
if
there
wasn't
anything
conferred,
then
I
would
agree
that
there
needed
to
be
something
in
place
when
you're
dealing
with
I
think
local
governments
in
general?
It
isn't
better
for
them
to
understand
the
authority
by
which
they
act,
and
so
it
starts.
It
would
be
this.
This
agency,
this
New
York,
the
city
council,
the
City
attorney.
Where
do
you
go
to
to
justify
every
step
that
you're
you're
taking
in
in
the
day-to-day
operations
or
on
special
projects?
J
A
A
J
Know
I
guess
you
and
I
have
a
practice
in
how
do
you
want
to
handle
your
practices?
That's
that's
fine.
So
you
know
part
of
the
challenge
here
is
that
you've
got
a
member
expression
concern
about
a
decision
that
probably
should
have
been
made
by
the
majority
of
the
board.
So
if
you
want
that
to
be
your
practice,
I
think
the
board
has
to
act
as
a
board
to
say
this
is
what
is
okay
with
us
and
then
we
move
forward.
J
However,
you
want
to
do
it
is
the
case,
but
if
there's
just
an
objective
third
person,
looking
at
the
question
and
from
the
outside
we're
always
going
to
look
at
okay,
how
was
that
Authority
conferred
in
the
first
instance?
How
thrama
you
get
depends
on
how
formal
you
want
to
me
and
so
that
that
comes
back
to
somewhat
the
policy
questions
that
are
intertwined
with
the
legal
questions.
If
it
wasn't
a
problem,
then
you
know
a
summer
size
that
I
already
hear
that
wasn't
a
problem.
J
So
it's
just
tell
us
how
you
want
to
proceed
and,
and
then
I
think
the
the
answer
would
be
more
sure
and
forthcoming.
But
if
you
guys
are
okay
with
the
informality
I
think
you
just
kind
of
acted
officially
in
that
regard
and
then
we'll
move
forward.
Otherwise
I
would
think
the
way
to
avoid
this
particular
conversation
moving
forward
would
be
that
when
there
are
these
approvals
that
are
necessary,
the
Appropriations
that.
A
I
J
We
do
that
often
in
variations
of
it
at
the
city
council
level,
so
there's
that
wonderful
for
a
contract,
sometimes
that
discretion
is
given
to
the
city
manager
not
only
to
execute
the
contract
but
sign
anything
else
that
might
be
necessary
in
The
Firm
difference
of
this
project.
Something
to
that
effect.
But
you
can
do
something
along
those
lines
and
as
long
as
your
intent
is
clear,
then
there
are
no
magic
words
that
are
necessary.
I
One
contract,
you
have
something
in
place
moving
forward,
and
then
things
can
kind
of
move
smoothly
after
that,
after
that
price,
because
since
it
was
two
separate
projects,
even
though
it
was
a
big
grand
scheme
to
have
it
towards
in
general,
they
can
just
put
into
whatever
projects
is
what
you're
saying
just
whatever
projects
out
there.
They
can
read
appropriate
the
funds,
or
is
it
every
single
time
we
have
one
because
they,
you
could
go
and
put
it
towards
this.
If
you
wanted
to
like
I'm
trying
to
see
how
legally
yeah.
J
I
mean
and
imperme
if
I
was
too
bad
in
the
Privacy
suggestions.
So
when
you're
dealing
with
the
projects
that
have
a
surgery
project
is
in
the
plan
and
you
want
to
move
or
you
know
it's
going
to
be
three
phases
from
page
one
to
the
extent
there's
any
money
left
in
phase
two
and
phase
two
approved
or
something
that
effect
the
money
can
be
utilized
or
whatever
the
finance
term
is
for
phase
two.
J
But
you
know
you
again:
the
formality
that
you
adopt
here
has
is
going
to
be
in
dependent
on
how
and
I
know
you
have
been
in
your
practices.
Today
and
again,
my
understanding
is:
there
has
been
this
history
of
just
sort
of
an
ebb
and
flow,
some
additions
decisions
being
made
to
further
the
projects
and
it
hasn't
been
a
problem.
So
when
a
problem
arises,
then
we
kind
of
have
to
now
to.
I
Step
back
and
say:
okay,
how
do
we
address
this?
So
it's
not
a
problem
going
forward,
so
the
particular
ly
how
to
run
across
as
we
found
significantly
for
maintenance
and
whatnot.
So
we
could
use
them
for
different
things
without
having
to
go
back
to
city
council
to
get
them
approved,
because
I
could
fill
everything
by
a
month
sometimes
schedules,
and
we
were
just
Kickback
regards
to
that
long
Flex.
We
still
have
to
send
something
that
wasn't
too
expensive.
It
was
in
our
budget
back
to
city
council
because
it
was
over
25,
000,
I.
I
Think
that's
what
it
was.
Is
there
anything
in
our
bylaws
or
anything
that
we
should
know
where
we
don't
have
to
do
that,
because
if
we
have
the
money
in
our
budget
specifically
for
those
things,
the
kind
of
piece,
the
purpose
of
them
to
keep
going
back,
yeah.
J
What
it
has
to
be
about
Council,
so
you're
you're
in
that
place
or
whatever
you
think
it's
efficient
or
not.
We
have
to
go
through
that
step
and
even
though
projects
City
projects
are
universally
budget,
it
doesn't
really
rest
of
the
obligation
of
also
complying
with
the
statues
that
are
governed
the
German
in
Florida.
There
may
be
a
point
in
time
where
the
threshold
is
raised.
J
A
A
Then
this
so
the
state
is
a
higher
level.
The
city
decided
that
it's
going
to
be
25
for
all
departments
and
we
have
to
adhere
to
the
cities
for
children
and
if
we
want
to
go
outside
of
that,
some
kind
of
city
council
would
have
to
change
if
we
turn
the
code
for
the
city
a
little
alphabet
to
go
about
25..
To
do
that.
Yes,
sir,
okay,.
A
J
City
policies
are
usually
established
through
the
city
council
to
the
extent
maybe
a
department
has
authority
to
adopt
their
own
policies.
They
can't
be
in
conflict
with
the
state
laws,
because
in
many
instances
we've
we've
recently
passed
our
legislative
policy
manual
indicating
that
the
policies
cannot
be
in
Conflict
by
the
city
council's
policies.
A
All
right,
Sunshine,
along
we've,
been
trying
to
I,
say
we
yeah.
We
were
trying
to
meet
just
two
of
the
members
up
here
to
talk
about
something
that
we
didn't
want
to
bring
up
before
the
board
as
a
whole
or
didn't
feel
the
need
to
drink
three
other
people
out
here
board
as
a
whole,
and
we
try
to
adhere
to
the
Sunshine
Law.
So
we
want
to
notice
the
meeting.
A
J
The
key
word
may
or
may
not
that's
the
keywords
for
me
or
may
not
so
when
you
are
not
sure
that
it
will
never
come
before
the
board
and
then
the
answer
is
you've
got
to
have
a
form
available.
If
you
want
to
discuss
something
that
is
either
going
to
come
before
the
board,
let
us
seeable
that
it's
going
to
come
in
front
of
her
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be
immediately
foreseeable
or
some
time
in
the
distant
future.
J
The
discussing
of
things
that
may
come
before
the
board
constitute
transacting
business,
and
so
you
have
to
notice
your
Gathering
now,
if
you
guys
just
say
we
want
to
just
kind
of
get
together
and
just
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
think
that
we
are
violating
Sunshine
we're
going
to
notice
getting
together,
but
we're
going
to
talk
about,
say
the
storage
game
or
something
like
that
never
happened.
You
can
do
that
all
day
with
two
people
and
it's
that
may
or
may
not.
J
That's
changing
the
the
basically
the
the
tenor
of
that
meeting
and
you
know
a
snot
from
the
sunshine.
You
know
you
look
perfect.
You
talk
about
your
bylaws,
your
biologers
are
saying
look
in
order
for
you
guys
to
come
to
the
business.
You've
got
to
have
a
quorum,
so
you're
going
to
get
there
with
two
people.
J
A
Jacksonville
city
council
I'm
dealing
with
a
rezonian
that
was
on
in
my
district.
It's
another
council
member
wants
to
talk
about
every
zoning
going
on
my
district
you're
saying
that
the
two
council
members
can't
talk
about
their
Zone,
because
you
know
it's
going
to
come
before
that
whole
for
vote.
So
for
the
two
of
us
to
talk,
we'd
have
to
get
the
half
the
council
members
there
because
we're
not
in
we're
not
enacting
any
business
until
we
actually
take
the
vote,
which
is
actually
the
account
ing.
Yeah.
J
It
does
your
your
definition
of
conducting
artificial
bids
as
you're
conducting
business
seems
to
be
Tethered
to
this.
Taking
the
vote
and
we're
not
going
to
take
a
vote
is
okay
that
we
have
just
you
know
noticed
of
the
meeting
and
the
cases
I'm
addressing
this
I.
Don't
know
how
they
did
things
in
Jacksonville
and
I
can't
comment
on
that,
but
the
discussing
of
those
items
items
object
double
vote
in
a
foreseeable
in
future.
J
J
Violation
of
these
Provisions
I
I,
you
know
you
kind
of
take
it
on
yourself
to
kind
of
move
through.
In
that
regard,
again,
Scott
was
trying
to
protect
not
only
the
board
members
but
again,
probably
the
the
linger
status
of
the
city
in
in
these
particular
undertakings,
and
it's
the
transaction
has
to
be
on
our
side
that
you
know
meeting
for
the
purpose
of
discussing
some
CRA
business
and
that
an
act
of
some
sort
will
occur
on
that
business
in
the
future.
J
So
I,
you
know
the
time
requirements
are
different
than
the
new
edition
requirements,
but
sometimes
they're
overlapping.
You
can't
really
kind
of
separate
them
and
we're
going
to
always
err
on
the
side
of
caution
and
not
try
to
separate
them.
A
Cra
meeting
next
month,
next
couple
of
months
where
people
could
be
on
the
bus
taking
a
tournament.
So
in
your
scenario,
if
a
council
member
is
there,
you
can
only
have
one
counselor
under
there
because
it's
not
forecast
members.
Are
there
they're
going
to
be
talking
about
things
that
need
to
come
before
the
council
floor
vote,
and
so
then,
on
that
bus
communicate
back
and
forth
with
people
even
outside
the
state?
They
can't
do
that.
A
J
With
the
CRA
officials
is
going
to
be
a
combination
of
approval
process
or
decision,
you
simply
notice
the
meeting
that
was
going
to
occur
on
the
go
on
the
battle.
Excuse
me,
these
positions
apply.
You
know
where
you're
meeting
in
your
regular
meeting
today
so
you're,
meeting
someplace
outside
of
the
state
and
so
I
think
it
would.
J
It
would
be
hard
for
everyone
to
notice
we're
going
to
have
these
members,
including
a
member
of
council,
maybe
additional
members
of
council
and
these
accomplishment
below,
and
it's
especially
important
in
this
situation,
because
again,
what
I've
heard
is
that
there
is
practice
of
counsel
of
approving
things
that
happen
with
the
crore
makes
the
decisions
in
one
thing
to
learn
another
in
one
sequence
or
another
and
so
bring
the
person
who's
on
campus
who's.
J
A
I
think,
let's
just
stay
with
the
Seattle
assume
that
there's
going
to
be
a
tour
going
on
in
the
downtown
area.
So
what
you're
saying
is
and
we'll
be
talking
about
things
that
are
definitely
happy
for
us,
because
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
CRA
business
with
other
cras,
and
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
they
can.
C
J
I
I
would
say
you
notice
that
meeting
that's
going
to
happen
on
the
bus,
because
there's
a
potential
of
a
steering
business
being
discussed,
I
mean
you've
got
you've
got
to
do
that.
The
discussion
again
fast
within
conducting
the
business
with
respect
to
the
cruel
I
would
I
I
see
her
point
now
that
you
can't
really
start
discussing
it
with
only
two
of
them
or
show
up,
but
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
until
the
event
actually
takes
place.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
J
In
that
moment,
but
arguably
I
would
say
if,
if
I'm
going
to
be
consistent
with
this
opinion,
I'll
just
take
it
to
the
best
I'll,
continue
it
on
and
say.
No,
then
don't
discuss
that
now
or
who's
going
to
be
on
the
bus
to
enforce
this.
This
particular
scenario
came
to
light
or
became
an
issue
in
a
recent
meeting
that
was
supposedly
to
be
convened
in
this
room
and
so
you've
had
a
number
of
people
who
were
observing
what
was
going
on
the
question
becomes,
as
those
people
are
absent
from
the
best
you
know.
J
I
The
state
statutes
have
tiering
for
different
projects
and
I'm.
Sorry
I
didn't
bring
that
with
me
to
be
exactly
out
but
like.
If
you're
going
to
do
a
Consulting
project,
you
know
you
can't
exceed
a
certain
amount
or
what
else
you
have
to
go
out
to
bed
and
if
you're
doing
a
construction
project
it
exceeds
a
certain
amount.
Then
you
must
public,
you
must
bid
it,
and
so
the
cities
are
smaller
than
the
state
statute,
because
the
state
statute
was
written
for
every
type
of
governmental
Union
in
the
state.
I
We
do
allow
to
you
that
we
may
utilize
other
contracts
provided
at
the
other.
City
allows
their
broad
their
contracts
to
be
piggyback
their
pawn,
and
so
if
it
is
a
budgeted
item
already
before
Council
a
perfect
example
that
is
police
cars.
You
know
we
budget
a
certain
amount
replacement
for
year.
Council
says:
yes,
you
may
replace.
You
know
up
to
this
amount
for
police
Crush
per
year.
We
use
the
sheriff's
Association
contract
and
we
purchase
our
cars.
That
way,
we
don't
bring
it
back
to
council
because
they,
but
they
have.
A
I
So
I,
you
know
I
hate,
to
give
you
an
odd
answer,
but
I'm
going
to
say
that
each
situation
is
a
little
bit
unique.
You
know
it.
It
was
then
the
scope
of
the
project.
We
are
doing
exactly
this
good
with
a
project.
If
we
can
use
another
competitive
award,
then
we
may
go
forward
and
do
so
if
it's
been
budgeted.
But
if
the,
if
we're
changing
the
nature
of
it,
then
we
would
want
Council
to
approve
the
procurement
method.
I
The
vehicle,
if
we
have
you
know,
said
that
we're
going
to
buy
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
good
example.
I
We
said
we
were
going
to
buy
like
ATVs
and
now
we
want
to
change
over
and
we
want
to
buy
vehicles
instead
of
ATVs.
You
know
when
they're
kind
of
outside
the
spirit
in
which
the
budget
was
approved,
then
we
want
to
bring
it
back
before
the
agency
and
Council
and
make
sure
that
you
know
everyone
is
in
agree
with
that
change.
So
I
can't
speak
to
the
exact
examples
that
you're
giving,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
there's
sometimes
we
feel,
like
you
know,
in
in
transparency,
in
an
abundance
of
caution.
C
I
And
that's
been
our
practice
as
long
as
I've
been
here.
We
know
that
you
know
we'll
make
this
project
four
and
five
it's
in
the
budget,
but
it's
probably
going
to
come
in
more
than
budget,
so
we're
going
to
bring
it
to
the
agency
check
with
the
spending
Authority
and
then
we're
going
to
take
to
the
very
next
meetings
Council
to
approve
the
bid
award
as
part
of
the
procurement
process.
I
E
Could
we
not
contract
separately
for
work
as
a
CRA
as
long
as
it's
approved
by
city
council
and
the
CRA
move
forward
with
that
work,
because
part
of
our
challenge
is
that
we
keep
getting
backlogged
I
mean
Dennis
has
told
us
on
occasion
that
he
doesn't
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
anything
more
he's
already
got
enough.
Other
city
project
work
much
less
trying
to
do
the
CRA
things
and
that
kind
of
falls
to
the
Wayside
or
to
the
bottom
of
the
priority
list.
J
Okay,
so
the
question
that
was
presented
and
I
hear
Echoes
of
it
was:
do
you
have
any
authority
to
contract
independently
of
city
council,
and
my
review
of
the
Florida
statute
is
the
one
of
the
powers
that's
given
to
a
CRA?
Is
the
power
to
execute,
make
and
execute
contracts?
So
the
answer
to
that
question
from
my
point
of
view
is:
is
yes
from
again
the
statutory
standpoint.
J
I
From
kind
of
a
pragmatic
approach,
several
of
the
projects
that
we're
working
on
right
now
have
City,
compliments
and
CRA
components,
and
that
was
done
to
increase
the
efficiency,
because
part
of
it
is
some
of
the
work
in
the
basins
which
we're
moving
money
from
or
removing
water
from
within
the
district
to
outside
the
district,
which
we
have
an
inner
local
agreement
that
allows
us
to
do
so,
but
we're
doing
City
work
there
from
so.
I
From
a
practical
point
of
view,
you
would
want
the
board
and
the
city
council
to
be
kind
of
closely
aligned
in
preparing
and
doing
that
work.
Well,
I!
Don't
disagree
that
you
know
what
I'm
here
to
help
Implement.
What
city
council
wants
to
see
John
and
they've,
given
us
some
very
specific
criteria
that
they'd
like
to
see
us
accomplish,
and
we
need
to
be
stuck
in
stuff
with
them.
I
think.
E
This
upcoming
meeting,
I
think
would
be,
is
going
to
be
very
beneficial
just
to
talk
about
the
methods
of
communication
between
the
two
entities,
because
we
really
need
to
talk
about
how
we
communicate
and
get
information
back
and
forth.
What
are
the
expectations
from
us?
Does
it
sense
that
there
will
be
a
board
of
order
from
the
CRA
that
city
council
briefings
to
provide
input
and
information
so
that
they
understand
the
direction
that
we're
heading
yeah,
I'm,
sorry,.
E
We
also
need
to
sit
down
and
really
take
a
look
at
the
review
and
take
a
look
at
Staffing
because
there's
some
people
that
are
identified
as
being
CRA
staff,
but
it's
only
percentages
of
people.
So
what
are
we
really
getting
in
a
way
of
time
from
these
individuals
to
accomplish
what
the
CRA
needs
to
do,
and
that's
just
a
big
question
mark
in
my
mind
that
you
know
we've
got
a
city
engineer.
E
Well,
it's
not
Engineers,
not
the
right
term,
but
there
is
a
CRA
coordinator
within
public
works.
That's
75
of
this
time
and
I'm
not
sure
what
what
it
is
that
we're
getting
for
that
time.
What
are
we
what's
really
I
haven't
seen
that
individual
in
quite
some
time,
and
it
would
be
beneficial
to
understand
what
was
he
supposed
to
function
when
in
reality
he
seems
to
be
a
city
employee
rather
than
a
CRA,
employee
and
I?
E
Guess,
that's
where
I'm
just
having
the
problem
is:
what's
a
CRA
in
what
city
where's
the
where's
the
division,
or
is
there
a
division
or
do
we
just
kind
of
muddle
along
the
way
we've
been
working.
E
E
And
we
were
asked
to
put
together,
you
know
our
thoughts
on
what
we
thought
would
want
to
be.
The
part
of
the
agenda
for
our
meeting
with
city
council
I
guess,
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
starting
to
relay
here
is
what
I
think
the
items
need
to
be
to
get
so
much
of
some
clarity
so
that,
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
function.
A
Better
and
more
efficiently,
I
think
some
of
the
stuff
we
can
address
our
Workshop
on
the
12th,
but
right
now,
since
we
have
staff
and
trying
to
assist
figure
out
specific
questions
for
them.
So
then
we
know
what
questions
we
need
to
add
around
in
the
workshop,
so
we
can
prepare
for
the
final
Workshop
at
the
end
of
July.
H
So
you
might
have
just
cut
off
my
question
by
saying
it
should
be
for
the
next
one,
but
like
I'm,
looking
at
a
page
two
of
three
and
one
of
three
and
we
have
these
green
boxes
that
represent
City
staff
working
specifically
for
CRA.
Well,
since
Parks
and
Rec
is
responsible
for
all
the
names
and
as
far
as
the
biggest
problem
I
see
is
that
when
I
walk
around
downtown
all
the
little
things
that
make
things
look
rough,
why
don't
we
have
a
green
box
with
Cartoon
Network
right
here,
dedicated
to
the
CRM.
I
I
Missed
we
do
have
lots
more
Communications
with
Council
Council
does
get
updates
almost
every
meeting.
We
can
always
then
apply
and
getting
things
from
Taylor
as
well,
and
she
is
there
to
present
for
us,
because
we
as
a
group
technically
can't
speak
for
the
group
and
that's
why
that's
why
it's
going
on
too.
So
it
turns
I
do
apologize
for
speaking
out
but
other
than
that.
That's
really
cute.
A
Again,
Saturday
for
two
weeks
did
the
mayor,
executive
director
I
mean
city
manager
had
anything
you
want
to
add
that.
Do
you
have
anything
else,
all
right,
so
I
think
we
had
a
lot
of
questions
at
hand.
I
think
the
next
meeting
were
part
of
the
workshop.
We
need
to
talk
about
specifically
what
questions
we're
going
to
ask
of
the
council
we'll
meet
with
them
at
the
end
of
the
month.
A
If
we
want
to
see
the
procurement
every
month
or
not
that
if
we
want
to
be
able
to
go
for
them
to
single
Source
executive
director
to
let
them
know
that
something's,
switching
or
not
I
mean
these
are
just
things
that
that
we
could
talk
about.
We
can
decide
we're
not
going
to
do
any
of
these
things,
but
I
think
there's
a
question
on
the
table.
Now,
aside
from
there
one
question
specifically
we're
going
to
ask
the
council
and
if
there's
nothing
else
or
a
journal.
Thank
you
very
much.