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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 03/24/2023
A
All
right,
it
is
9
12
a.m,
on
March
24
2023.
This
is
our
second
collective
bargaining
session
in
2023
between
the
the
union
and
the
City
of
Laredo
I.
Think
last
time
we
were
here,
there
were
several
proposals
that
were
given
by
the
union,
and
today
the
city
is
ready
to
counter
on
some
of
those
articles.
If
you
all
don't
mind,
would
you
like
to
start
with
the
article
6
I
know
that
there
was
an
article
four
that
was
given
that
was
proposed?
A
I
think
you
all
pulled
that
one
back
so
we'll
skip
that
one
for
now
and
we'll
start
with
article
six,
if,
if
that's
okay
with
everyone
yeah
okay,
so
the
city's
proposing
on
article
6
was
to
keep
and
and
you'll
see
that
a
lot
of
the
language
that
you
propose
in
that
article
is
in
blue.
We
did
make
some
changes.
A
A
And
on
letter
and
on
letter
J
as
well,
we
remove
article
32
maintenance
of
standards
and
on
letter
B
as
well
any
mention
of
Maintenance
of
Standards,
because
it
was
the
city's
opinion
that
that
wasn't
applicable
to
to
this
particular
article,
because
the
contract
is
pretty
clear.
Article
32
is
very
clear
anything
that
was
guaranteed
any
right
that
that
was
given
by
supervisors
or
by
management
before
the
contract
lives
for
the
duration
of
the
contract.
Right
and
the
only
way
it
can
be
brought
back
would
be
at
the
negotiating
table
right.
A
Yeah,
so
we
feel
that
it's
not
applicable
to
those
things
now.
Some
of
the
things
that
you
are
referring
to
do
apply,
for
instance,
the
hiring
promoting
you
know,
probationary,
all
those
articles
and
and
what
would
be
apply.
We
just
felt
that
maintenance
standards
didn't
apply
in
that
in
that
regard,
thank
you.
Frenchman.
C
And
we
were
again,
as
we
explained
the
last
minute,
we
were
just
putting
into
the
reference
how
many
articles
are
affected
by
this
and
we'll
probably
go
back
and
forth
and
I
know
you
had
recommended
some
danger
wording,
and
so
we
had.
We
have
no
issue
with
going
to
kind
of
what
we
did
in
letter.
D,
you
know
consistent
or
with
respect
to.
We
just
haven't
seen
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
as
a
whole.
C
So
that
way,
if
we
do
address
one
inch
one
article,
we
don't
have
to
come
back
and
then
address
this
one
again
so,
and
we
had
mentioned
the
last
meeting
and
we
just
detailed
them
out.
So
we
can
illustrate
how
many
articles
are
are
affected
by
just
one
one
section
of
it.
But
if
you
the
city,
wants
we
you
know
to
consider
it.
We
can
just
go
instead
of
listing
every
article
out
and
just
put
consistent
on
or
going
with
their
inline
with
the
collective
bargain
interview.
Yes,.
A
A
C
B
A
C
C
C
and
it's
not
because
the
firefighters
inconvenience
and
as
far
as
picking
up
his
boots
or
his
equipment,
it's
more
like
I've
paid
money,
I've
set
up
child
care,
I've
done
certain
things
in
my
life
and
the
notice
is
just
pretty
much
go
ahead
and
get
your
Affairs
in
order,
because
we're
about
to
shift
move
from.
You
know
this
schedule
to
that
schedule.
It's
nothing!
C
You
know
in
a
perfect
example,
at
the
smallest
level
is
just
for
me
to
move
all
my
clothing
extra
uniforms
equipment
and
you
know
I-
have
to
go
clean
up.
My
locker.
We
have
two
lockers
right,
all
our
gear
transfer
that
so
that,
then
itself
is
not
going
to
happen
from
one
day
to
the
next
right,
even
if
you
did
do
that
and
you
still
tied
up
with
everything
else.
So
it's
the
reason
for
for
the
notice
right,
we
understand
in
emerging
situations
that
aren't
you
is
going
to
have
to
pull
someone.
C
Somebody
gets
into
an
argument,
something
happens,
someone
gets
it
into
some
kind
of
issue
where
they
have
to
be
removed
from
the
line
and
sent
to
administrative
Duty.
We
understand
those
situations
and
we
have
an
issue
with
them,
we're
just
under
normal
average,
changing
what
roster
someone
gets
promoted,
you're
just
asking
for
another
thing
so
and-
and
we
can
word
it
that
way
and
I
just
wanted
to
know-
if
we're
going
to
remember
here
or
are
we
going
to
discuss
it
somewhere
else
like
they
have
a
better
place?
C
C
A
Just
didn't
seem
appropriate
that
it.
This
is
a
this
is
a
duty,
a
contractual
obligation
that
you're
putting
on
management
and
it's
in
the
rights
of
management
section
it
just
didn't,
seem
appropriate.
So
I
think
it
would
be
better
placed
in
article
10,
where
it
talks
about
Duty
and
again
the
14
days.
It
might
be
a
little
too
much
for
management
to
that's
a
lot
of
notice
for
the
management.
That's
what
we've
been
told,
it's
something!
What.
A
Just
a
lot
of
times
the
moves
have
to
be
made.
I
know
that
the
last
move
was
80
different
firefighters
that
had
to
be
moved,
and
if
that
ever
happens
again,
then
there's
this
contractual
obligation,
then
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
union
to
grieve
it
it
it.
It
becomes
problematic,
especially
when
moves
have
to
be
made.
E
C
Don't
know
about
this
I
I'm
trying
to
Envision
the
scenario
mind
you
outside
of
emergencies,
outside
of
someone
getting
considered
criminalization
right,
but
outside
of
that
on
a
normal
roster
change.
I'm.
Trying
to
think
of
the
scenario
that
comes
after
the
14
day
notice
would
be
unreasonable,
but
if
management
has
so
much
and
I
guess
we
further,
we
can
get
through
article
six.
We
can
maybe
discuss
that
there,
but
my
question
was
this:
are
we
going
to
discuss
the
notice
and
oh.
F
A
A
Oh,
no
one
day
notice.
No,
nothing!
Nothing
like
that!
It's
something
that
it's
something
that
we
can
come
to
the
negotiation
table
on
absolutely
I
mean
we
can
pretty
much
read
some
common
ground
on
that
yeah.
It's
something!
That's
enough
notice
for
for
for
you
to
get
your
Affairs
in
order
when
you,
when
you
are
transferring,
but
still
enough
time
where
the
the
you
know,
management
has
the
authority
to
you,
know,
move
and
do
it
as
quickly
as
possible.
Okay,.
C
C
And
I
get
moved
to
work
on
Sunday
I
won't
be
released,
till
midnight
on
Friday
and
normally
it
happens
at
the
weekend
because
there's
the
paper
to
closes
on
Saturday.
So,
if
I'm
moving
there,
if
I
have
anything
to
do
as
far
as
anyone
that
works
on
a
regular
business
schedule
and
Friday
to
Sunday
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
talk
to
anyone,
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
address
anything
11
days
and.
E
Then
you've
got
vacations
that
are
pre-scheduled.
You've
got
doctor's
appointments,
you've
got
a
child
care,
there's
so
many
things
that
are
effective
and
then
that's
going
to
find
out
Friday,
even
the
five-day
notice,
but
you
really
think
about.
If
I
get
noticed,
most
of
your
scheduling
and
appointments
are
not
done.
Five
days
out,
I
mean
we
normally
set
up
things
weeks
and
months
out,
vacation
things
like
that
and
when
you're
doing
like
that,
that's
really
difficult
to
keep
up
with.
You
know,
right
from
one
day
like
that.
C
Ndb,
you
know
memorandum
brands
are
at
the
so
we
have
requirements.
Children
are
our
skilled
to
a
certain
capacity
or
permanent
illness
of
any
sort
of
time.
I've
been
making
specifics,
but
a
lot
of
those
appointments.
You
know
I
know
it's
it's
not
for
frequently
like
I'm,
just
bringing
that
to
light.
As
far
as
the
wines
are
asking
for
it
notice
and
that's
and
we're
going
to
discuss
it
later
and
then
just
we'll
entertain
it
I
just
did
what
what.
C
E
G
C
A
A
C
H
C
H
A
Everything
like
I,
said,
let's
say
each
paragraph,
and
that
would
essentially
be
that
management
has
rights,
but
it
all
has
to
be
consistent
with
a
collective
bargaining
agreement.
So
any
any
rights
that
they
exercise
that
are
that
are
enumerated
here
would
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
collective
bargaining
agreement.
So
on.
C
A
B
A
C
Because
there's
no
miscommunication
or
the
fact
that
you
know
you
have
one
definition,
we
have
another
so
that
way
well,
I
wouldn't
want
the
the
article
to
basically
say:
well,
that's
not
what
I
thought
and
then
we
get
into
that
and
argument.
If
we're
on
the
same
page
with
it,
you
agree
and
I
think
you
said
yeah
both
on
32
anyway
right,
yes,.
F
A
C
F
A
D
I
F
F
D
F
F
A
H
C
I
B
C
So
on
6.5
we
have
no
issue
with
the
language
introduced,
except
to
our
discussions
with
kind
of
the
meaning
of
what
we're
talking
about.
We
would
introduce
to
scratch
or
to
delete
the
section
of
the
Senate
between
the
comma,
so
unless
otherwise
addressed
in
this
agreement,
the
city
shall
have
the
clear
right
to
make
decisions
in
such
areas
on
a
good
amount
of
basis.
We
were
right
in
any
matters
not
specifically
covered
by
the
language
of
this
agreement,
but
just
to
remove
any
potential
conflict
or
the.
C
I
A
Will
buddy
so
article
8
the
only
change
that
I
guess
you
all
wanted
to
get
rid
of
section
8.2,
which
states
all
special
details
not
correspond
to
the
above
men's
Duty
shall
be
paid
at
the
rate
of
time
and
a
half.
We
want
to
keep
that
that
language
in
there
so
that,
if
management
does
send
you
on
some
sort
of
a
special
detail,
it
actually
protects
the
union.
A
C
Reason
was,
as
we
were
discussing
in
the
government
agreements
and
details
with
this
language
is.
We
view
it
as
pretty
much
the
firefighter
waiting
any
rights
it
had
for
coverage
of
reliability,
right
I
accepted
time
and
a
half
and
I
understood
that
any
duties
that
are
just
touched
on
an
8.1
had
to
be
acknowledging
that
I'm
getting
something
in
return
for
a
lean
has
to
do
something
that
maybe
wouldn't
be
covered
by
workers
comp
or
our
insurances,
or
anything
like
that.
Absolutely.
G
C
Know
the
contract
that's
given
directed
to
the
fire
chief
and
the
union
president
to
come
up
with
an
overtime
policy.
Maybe
that
would
be
hammered
out
there
instead
of
having
the
language
and
correct
if
I'm
wrong
or
if
you
guys
say
different
Our
concern-
was
the
firefighter
waiving
any
coverages
or
anything
like
that.
If
he's
asked
to
perform
a
duty,
because
you
accept
the
time
and
a
half
for
it,
an
example
would
be.
C
Do
me
a
favor
and
use
the
ladder
truck
to
go,
switch
out
the
traffic
lights
on
the
street.
We
know
workers
comp
is
not
going
to
cover
that.
But
if
you
paid
him
a
time
and
a
half,
would
he
be
waiting?
I
mean
I.
Guess
the
coverage
over
the
insurance
rifle
for
that
item
and
that's
why
I
bring
out
it's
just
so
that
there's.
C
E
J
C
You're
saying
we
are
and
we
just
asked
we
wanted
to
make
sure
you
know
so,
and
so
this
is
part
of
that
so
I
guess
we
would
have
to
wait
to
see
if
we
are
covered
and
we
go
back
to
the
same
thing
that
that
workers,
comp
Representatives,
have
actually
told
the
association.
You
will
not
be
covered
for
that.
If
you,
even
if
your
supervisor
gives
you
the
order,
yeah,
maybe
we're
gonna
say
something
yeah.
H
H
What
you're
saying
that
here,
maybe
I'll
just
this
way,
the
concern
is,
how
would
we
say
you
know
wages
will
be
paid.
So
let's
just
talk
about
this
is
something
I,
just
wages
that
you're
getting
time
and
a
half,
not
that
yeah,
it
kind
of
happened
and
you
lose
benefits.
This
is
just
talking
about
wages.
C
F
C
C
What
since
I'm
getting
paid
time
and
a
half
is
that
in
basically
implying
that
he
accepts
that
he
is
waiving
his
rights
to
certain
things
and
now,
if
that's
not
the
case,
and
that's
why
I
think
Miss
thinking
until
is
going
to
bring
us
some
some
literature
on
it,
then
so
be
it,
then
it's
not
the
case,
but
it
would
be
hard
for
us
to
make
a
decision
without
the
actual
literature
of
coming
from
workers.
Call
more
so
because
workers,
comp
Representatives,
have
told
the
association
you
will
not
be
covered.
C
Not
mind
you
with
the
mutual
lady
experience,
no
one
is
saying
we
don't
want
to
follow
those
orders.
No
one
is
saying
we
just
refuse
to
do
that.
All
we
are
saying
is:
if
we
do
kind
of
me
and
writing,
they
were
covered
right.
I
went
in
my
family,
I
wouldn't
want
my
family
to
be
out
on
all
the
benefits
and
and
basically
what
was
supposed
to
to
protect
them
with
me
gone,
not
being
there,
because
I
follow
an
order.
C
So
what
I
explained
to
the
team
was-
and
we
discussed
this-
come
up
with
wording
when
cooler
heads
are
can
Prevail
instead
of
when
arguments
lost
all
my
limbs
at
some
incident
and
we're
having
it
out
in
court
right
we're
trying
to
avoid
that.
So
we
have
no
issue
with
the
oil
right.
Hey
I
want
you
to
go
through
this.
This
is
happening.
There's
a
there's.
An
emergency
by
all
means
all
hands
on
deck.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
these
firefighters
will
be
covered
right
and
then
I
know.
C
D
C
A
C
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
and
I
give
you
example
as
an
officer
I
do
not
want
to
give
an
order
where
I'm
gonna
basically
have
my
firefighter
not
covered.
That's
it.
It
has
nothing
to
do
without
wanting
to
perform
the
duty.
If
we
need
to
do
it,
we
will
go
ahead
and
do
it.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
right
now
that
no
one's
being
asked
to
do
any
of
that.
That
would.
E
Would
we
could
we
put
that
language
in
To
Where?
Then
there
is
no
question
right.
Yes,
workman's
comp,
we
can't
govern
workman's
talk
under
our
contract,
but
if
the
city
agrees
that,
while
you're
on
duty,
you
should
be
covered
well,
let's
just
put
it
right
in
and
we
eliminate
all
the
decisions
and
then
we
we.
J
Is
that
is
there's
a
lot
of
other
factors
involved,
such
as
negligence
right
in
some
areas,
right
and
so
there's
going
to
be.
It
would
open
the
door
to
bigger
things,
and
so,
while
we
say
that
if
there
is
a
a
director
from
one
one
particular
supervisor
to
the
firefighter,
the
answer
was
100
yes,
but
when
negligence
becomes
into
the
picture,
then
it's
a
totally
different
story
and
we'd
have
to
write
a
very
well.
C
Years
ago
was
that
to
get
actual
language
from
this
worker
somebody,
basically
we
the
firefighter,
could
determine
if
that
order
was
lawful
or
unlawful,
and
the
reason
why
is
the
officer
could
be
negligent
right.
Yeah
are
the
officer
could
be
impaired
for
whatever
number
of
reasons,
and
if
the
firefighter
follows
the
directive,
we're
basically
not
training
the
firefighter
to
say,
wait.
C
But
if
the
supervisor
is
negative,
supervisor
is
impaired.
If
the
final
the
firefighter
follows
his
directive,
we
have
no
man
was
it
until
the
firefighter.
If
you
notice
your
officers
in
this
situation,
you
have
the
ability
to
not
kind
of
thing
in
the
military
right
beyond
my
voters.
Hate
me
I
know
you're
not
going
to
order
me
to
do
that.
H
H
I'm
I'm
lucky
it's
just,
for
instance,
if
you
say
hey
go
to
HEB
on
your
lunch.
You
know
to
get
his
lunch
and
you
know
it's
off
duty
time.
You
know,
there's
a
case-longs
you're
at
HEB
you're
walking
through
HEB.
That's
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
exactly
right,
but
then
also,
if
you're
forced
by
hanging
off
of
the
of
the
the
truck.
That's
not
appropriate,
so
I'm,
really
bad,
maybe
I.
H
E
F
E
We're
being
sent
into
the
county
and
the
firefighter
thinks
it's
an
unlawful
order
to
be
sent.
How
does
he
stop
and
get
off
the
truck
we're
being
told
to
go?
We
have
no
problem
going
doing
our
job.
We
have
no
problem
helping
those
citizens,
that's
not
the
issue.
All
we
want
to
make
sure
is
that
we're
going
into
the
county
and
there
is
an
intergovernmental
contractor
and
we're
not
executing
that
contract
we're
just
being
sent.
Are
we
covered.
F
C
C
And
not
that
it's
not
a
bad
situation,
we're
looking
at
it!
What
if
the
firefighter's
not
there
and
his
family
is
going
through
this
breathing
or
the
firefighter
and
yet
they're
being
sued
for
insurance
money?
Is
there
anything
that
the
firefighter
thought
he
was
going
to
take
care
of
his
family
with
and
that's
why
we
want
to
try
to
address
it
now,
so
that
we
avoid
that
situation
because
we
lose
and
it's
not
the
only
one
in
the
state
there's
environment
across
the
state
that
have
have
been
going
through.
A
C
A
C
If
they
come
up
and
say
well,
you
accept
it
right.
You
accepted
to
do
that
task
if
it
was
unlawful
order.
You
said
I'll.
Do
it
because
you're
giving
me
something:
okay,
you're,
giving
me
a
half
that
time
and
a
half
okay
I'll!
Do
it
it's
it
and
I'll
give
you
an
example
in
the
in
the
past,
firefighters
who
were,
we
did
construction?
Who
did
diesel
mechanics?
They
were
asked,
hey,
we'll
pay
you
time
and
a
half
come
and
work
on
the
fire
truck.
C
Would
that
be
covered
until
you're,
getting
paid
seven
and
a
half
as
a
firefighter
but
you're
doing
a
realignment
on
a
fire
truck
and
it's
detecting
valve
right
will
they
be
covered
because
the
fire
department,
historically
and
well
not
mistaken,
as
currently
asked
firefighters
to
do
things
outside
of
the
scope,
what
they
pay
him
time
and
a
half.
So
is
the
firefighter
accepting
time
and
a
half
saying
I
waive
all
my
Rice
under
my
duties
or
under
a
firefight.
H
And
the
answer
is
no
we're
just
talking
about
the
the
rate
of
the
wage
right
and
the
liability
we're
I'm
trying
to
to
come
and
come
about
is.
We
would
want
more
coverage
from
tml
right,
but
we
say
if
no
matter
what
someone's
gonna
pay
for
it.
Then
we
don't
want
the
firefighter
say:
hey
I'm,
having
to
cooperate,
answer
questions
from
gml,
because
someone's
gonna
pay
right
right
and.
G
C
Answer
the
grievance
was
founded,
Rosario
was
the
interim.
It
was.
We
just
want
to
come
up
with
the
language
that
that
to
create
the
mechanism
that
are
fighter
protected,
we
didn't
have
the
answer
right,
but
what
we've
read
certain
people
were
like
all
right:
how
can
we
get
there
and
I
use
the
example
of
the
grievance
tools
file,
because
it
was
something
as.
C
Vinyl
floor
because
that
was
going
to
be
the
the
Catalyst
or
or
the
Avenue.
Okay,
let's
have
workers
comp
people
still
working
right,
because
workers
can
workers
comp
will
tell
us
we
cover
in
these
areas
and
even
like
that
someone's
going
to
be
some
gray
area,
but
at
least
they're
giving
us
some
guidelines
now
of
what
we
we
know
that
we
can
navigate
with
it
and
that
maybe
could
reference
our
duties
or
better.
Yet
the
officers
or
even
departure
Administration,
letting
us
know
if
you're
within
here
you
aren't
covered.
C
B
C
Know
see
what
you
can
apply
or
return
a
half
on
you
right
anything.
The
workers
come
come
back
and
say
no,
so
the
other
thing
we
have
requested
is
the
workers
company.
That's
a
detailed
guideline
or
steps
on
if
orders
or
if
Duties
are
followed
in
this
manner.
You
will
be
covered
right
so
that
that
way,
all
the
firefighters
will
know
hey
wait
the
example
of
the
intergovernmental
agreement.
Hey
wait
a
minute
to
get
you
activated.
C
No,
then
we'll
go
as
soon
as
that
is
activated
right
bit
acute
levels
to
say
that
without
it
being
insubordination,
you
know
each
other
parts
you
pay
too
for
not
following
the
agreement
right.
The
County
Judge
hasn't
called
the
city
manager
you're
just
telling
us
to
go
just
because
and
We've
ran
into
that
scenario,
where
a
district
people
tell
someone
just
go
outside
of
the
city
limits,
because
whatever
reason
we're
going
to
help
those
people
out,
those
firefighters
are
going
to
listen
to
their
chief
officer.
C
But
if
anything
happens
to
them,
they
would
not
be
covered
and
actually
District,
Chief
or
chief
officers
have
been
disciplined
in
the
past
or
given
such
directives
right
they've
been
suspended
for
the
federal
shifts
we're
giving
those
orders.
So
we
just
wouldn't
want
a
few
there's
multiple
chairs
about
three
or
four
that
have
been
suspended.
H
C
Or
the
potential
of
being
handicapped
for
it
right,
yeah,
I,
consume
and
I
probably
wins,
but
the
thing
is
they
actually
never
been
in
the
first
place
and
I,
don't
know
if
the
50
Grand
I'm
gonna
get
is
gonna.
You
know
compensate
for
the
wheelchair,
I'm
gonna,
be
in
the
rest
of
my
night
right
yeah
and
then
that's
how
we're
trying
to
get
to
and
that's
why
yeah
you
asked
on
some
backstory
on
why,
with
8.2
yeah
for
us
seems
that
it's
it
may
be
potential
that
you're
waiving
any
other
drugs.
H
C
C
Understand
we,
when
something
else
happens,
you're
not
going
to
want
to
spend
20
minutes
discussing
it
right
and
that's
that's
what
we're
trying
to
cover
so
it
happens.
I
know
not
instantly,
but
with
a
matter
of
seconds
or
minutes,
traffic
units
can
roll
out
so
that
we
can
help
whether
it's
the
public
here
and
within
the
limits
or
outside,
and
we're
not
trying
to
stop
the
response.
We're
just
trying
to
make
sure
you
know
the
liability
and
I
think
because
it
can.
E
H
H
C
H
E
C
A
What
you
should
be
doing
and
I
don't
think
that
removing
well
first
off
I
would
I
think
that
we're
reading
a
little
too
much
into
8.2
I
think
this
is
just
addressing
that
you
are
contractually
guaranteed
overtime
for
these
special
duties.
Right
yeah,
they
may
not
correspond
it
has
nothing
really
to
do
with
liability.
It's
just.
This
is
what
you
are
guaranteed.
A
So,
let's
say
a
firefighter
accepts
the
special
Duty,
even
though
it
may
fall
outside
and,
let's
just
say,
hypothetically
speaking,
a
officer
gives
an
order
for
a
fireman
to
do
something
that
may
be
outside
the
scope.
Well,
you
take
that
out
now
you've
taken
that
overtime,
that
guarantee
time
and
a
half
out
of
the
hands
of
that
firefighter.
C
A
H
C
D
J
C
Under
the
from
what
you're
saying
under
the
overtime
policy,
you'll
get
paid
time
and
coming
up
anyway,
whether
it's
a
Duty
or
not
duty,
if
it's
an
option
yeah,
if
we're
going
to
be
ordered
on
shift
and
the
removing,
it
still
doesn't
address
the
issue,
so
we
can
remove
it
even
in
we're
still
asking.
Are
we
going
to
address
that
issue
with
a
liability
right?
You
know
what
leave
it
in.
Are
we
still
going
to
address
the
issue
of
liability?
Are
we
going
to
discuss
that
sooner
or
later?
C
The
liability
yeah
well,
we
we
have
some
articles
that
we've
introduce
wording
so
I
guess
we
can
address
it
there.
Interesting-
and
this
is
just
the
monetary
side-
doesn't
have
nothing
to
do
with
accepting
or
waving
any
liability
and
everyone's
on
in
agreement
with
that
and
we're
on
the
record
basically
saying
those
are
waving
or
any
issue.
Reliability
will
be
if
there's
somewhere
else
in
the
contract-
and
this
is
not
we
all
our
agreement.
This
doesn't
contradict
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
the.
H
Answer
your
scenario,
your
hypothetical
there's,
no
Assumption
of
the
risk
anymore
in
Texas
right,
so
you
can't
say:
hey
I'm
falling
so
I
said
I'll
just
be
comfortable
with
comparable
risks.
Negligence
right!
So
if
you're
supervisor
is
51
more
reliable
negligent
than
you
than
everything
will
be
discovered
that
that's
the
idea
but
I
just
want.
You
all
think:
hey
I
followed
the
order
and
I'm
accepting
all
risks.
That's
that's!
Never
gonna
be
the
case.
H
D
C
Example
right
now,
what
would
our
department,
or
should
you
train
the
firefighter
on
in
this
scenario,
there's
nothing
that
the
fire
department
or
the
city
has
to
train
I'm
in
full
agreement.
I
think
we
should.
We
should
come
up
with
the
returns
or
what
the
subject
is
going
to
cover
and
all
the
material
to
train
your
environments.
I
agree,
foreign.
A
We
just
added
in
just
some
some
language
here
so
on
11.2.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
management
to
provide
proper
training
of
employees
and
the
safest
and
most
appropriate
possible
equipment.
Okay,
11.3.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
the
employee
to
perform
his
her
duties
in
the
safest
possible
manner
in
order
to
prevent
accidents.
The
employee
must
report
any
unsafe
equipment
or
conditions
to
the
immediate
supervisor
who
shall,
in
turn
bring
into
the
attention
of
the
district
Chief
and
the
fire
chief.
The
fire
chief
shall
begin
to
correct
any
unsafe
conditions.
There's
a
typo.
A
There
are
unsafe
conditions.
We
will
fix
that
within
10
business
days
from
receiving
the
report.
I
know
that
your
original
proposal
required
was
I,
think
it
was
five
five
days,
so
we
just
doubled
the
amount
of
time,
and
we
just
put
in
that
language
to
begin
to
act,
because
there
are
some
problems
that
can't
be
easily
corrected,
but
we
just
this.
What
this
language
is
saying
is
that
the
chief
is
under
contractual
obligation
to
at
least
begin
the
process
to
address
these
safety
concerns
and
that
he
has
10
days
from
I.
A
C
C
G
C
A
C
A
If
it's
going
to
be
repaired
well,
a
lot
of
times,
you
have
repair
shops
that
take
a
long
time.
It's
taking
about
I
think
we're
waiting
for
a
few
more
engines
or
a
few
more
trucks
that
are
taking
a
year
it
just
it
takes
a
while
so
to
say
reasonable.
I
just
think
it's
it's
a
little
too
much
of
a
constraint
on
on
I
guess
trying
to
fix
fix
these
issues.
F
H
I'm,
just
looking
from
the
different
perspective,
I
I
think
what
may
possibly
address
this
is
you're
because
you're
saying
reasonably,
but
how
about
there's
the
chief
or
act
with
without
undue
delay?
And
that's
the
opposite
side.
Note
he's
not
going
to
unduly
delay
it.
So
it
may.
The
reason
is
maybe
short
or
long,
because
the
chief
is
not
going
to
you
know,
say:
hey
I'm
not
going
to
do
it
because
I
want
to
save
money
or.
E
Thing
as
reasonable
enough
for
a
bond
and
they're
going
to
be
delicious,
it's
reasonable
that
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
win
three
for
the
fire
truck,
but
we're
going
to
go
out
for
a
bond
for
it
and
that's
going
to
take
six
eight
months
to
go
for
a
bomb
before
we
can
even
place
an
order.
That's
on
a
truck!
That's
two
years
backwards!.
J
No
no,
but
but
wait
on
those
situations.
The
city
manager
always
makes
decisions
to
put
it
on
on
the
agenda
with
a
reimbursement
resolution,
so
the
bond
can
take
six
months
because
it
really
could
procedurally,
but
we
have
always
taken
it
to
cancer
before
so.
It
gets
ordered
before
we
even
sell
the
bond
through
other
Financial
ligaments.
D
C
C
H
C
One
issue
on
going
back
to
the
progress
being
done:
it
can
be
claimed.
A
non-state
unit
is
going
to
be
replaced.
It's
two
years
on
hey.
The
resolution
is
already
the
unit
is
being
bought,
but
you'll
still
be
in
order
to
be
on
that
specific
unit.
The
the
process
of
progress
that
we're
worried
about
is
that
you
may
you're,
still
being
ordered
to
be
on
is
not
being
put
out
of
service.
C
C
E
And
I
will
say:
the
vehicle
has
been
fixed
as
of
a
week
and
a
half
ago,
but
that
vehicle
18,
17
18
19
year
old
vehicle
would
not
go
over
20
miles
an
hour
to
go
to
the
call
notified
supervisor.
Surprise
it
went
up.
The
chain
came
back
down,
keep
driving
the
vehicle
it's
unsafe
on
the
motorway
wouldn't
pump.
That
was
passive.
It
was
supposed
to
pump
back.
Then
you
know
what
the
problem
was.
They
had
no
Reserves.
E
C
Then
that,
and
that
that
is
completed,
to
management,
to
resolve
right
and
due
to
the
city,
and
we
have
no
no
issue
with
how
we're
departure
for
the
cities
and
decide
how
to
resolve
it.
The
issue
is:
could
we
be
using
this
vehicle
or
this
this?
The
fire
truck
the
fire
truck
where
I'm
at
they've
made
some
try
to
make
some
fixes,
but
it
doesn't
hold
any
water
within
a
minute
or
two.
It
basically.
D
J
C
What
you
mentioned
that
a
captain
against
the
United
service?
No,
we
cannot,
as
a
captain
I
cannot
say
we're
not
using
that
product
today.
If
anything
in
the
past,
the
director
we've
done
is
and
whether
wherever
it
came
from
was
use
it
till
you
break
it
and
he's
like
yeah,
but
that
we
shouldn't
be
using
laser.
E
E
What
we've
always
been
told
is,
if
you
have
a
tire
brake
issue,
call
up
call
the
chief
we'll
get
it
taken
care
of
those
get
taken
care
of
immediately
There's
issues
that
are
beyond
that
that
are
still
extremely
safe
safety,
oriented
that
we
don't
have
that
same
mechanism.
You
know
we
don't
we
don't
feel
the
same
way
and
when
we
report
it
we're
told
continue
doing
this
or
switch
out
units.
Well,
we're
to
the
point.
We
don't
have
any
more
units
out
we're
in
a
reserve
and
there's
no
more
reserves,
keep
driving
it.
E
We're
aware
of
the
problem.
Okay,
so
we're
aware
that
truck
only
goes
20
miles
an
hour
that
issue
has
been
resolved.
It
was,
it
was
a
part
that
had
to
be
ordered
it
took
weeks
to
get
in,
but
that
that
that
truck
had
that
problem
for
months.
So
that's
one
example:
well
that
truck
also
wouldn't
pump
at
the
right
pressures
because
of
the
same
problem.
The
motor
is
what
runs
the
pump
if
the
motor
can't
drive
faster,
20
miles
an
hour
that
same
motor
can't
pump
correctly,
so
we're
told
go
to
the
calls
as
Manhart.
E
C
D
F
C
C
E
Report
and
they
have
I,
don't
have
to
do
anything
for
10
days
as
some
leeway,
but
I
mean
10
days
two
weeks
to
start
start
trying
to
address
it.
People
start
trying
to
address
it.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
here,
we're
not
talking
about
fixing
we're
talking
about
just
brain
into
the
shop
figure
out.
What
the
part
is
in
order.
J
G
J
C
I
C
C
A
The
part
well,
this
is
I
I,
believe
that
this
is
just
saying
that
they
can't
go
beyond
that,
but
the
chief
I
mean
and
again
guys
you
guys
are
talking
about
a
whole
laundry
list
of
problems,
safety
issues
right
and
you
all
have
been
saying,
there's
a
lot
of
safety
issues
well,
if
they
all
have
to
be
addressed,
they're
going
to
be
addressed
in
in
due
course
right.
So
all
that
is
is
just
giving
some
time
to
address
everything
as
it
comes
in.
J
C
H
J
I
D
C
E
H
G
C
I
B
C
H
Just
because
that
I
was
reading
for
the
first
time
to
be
honest
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
not
ambiguous
as
far
as
someone
else
reading
down
down
the
road.
So
if
the
firefighters
on
leave
without
pay
and
then
they
comply
with
like
drug
testing
and
everything
you're
saying
they
get
reimbursed
back
or
just.
G
C
That
before
nothing
is
being
done
yet
the
article
allows
I
think
it
was
far
too
close
to
the
opponents
of
people
or
whatever
pretty
much.
I
can
put
you
on
administrative
because
we
have
a
suspicion
or
whatever.
Maybe,
but
if
you
come
out
thing
and
you
comply
with
it
and
then
you
should
be
reimbursement.
E
C
A
A
H
A
H
F
I
D
C
F
C
I
I
A
E
C
I
A
I
A
It's
1105.
We
just
got
back
from
carcass
now
before
you
all,
for
your
consideration
is
article
6,
article
8
and
article
11.,
so
this
will
be
the
official
one
that
we
ta
the
copy
that
you
have
has
a
comma
out
of
place,
so
we
just
100
yeah
on
11.,
okay,
so
on
11.3
it
says
comma
or
designee.
We
just
removed
that
comma
on
the
official
document
that
Mr
Gonzalez
has
okay,
that's
the
only
change
and.
A
G
A
The
one
that's
after
the
fire
chief,
so
it
just
says
the
fire
chief
or
designee-
shall
assess
and
devise
a
written
plan
now
just
for
the
record.
So
the
this
this
Duty
that
is
being
placed
on
the
chief
or
the
designee
to
assess
and
devise
a
plan
only
comes
when
the
employee,
under
the
employee's
duty
to
report
any
unsafe
working
conditions.
Are
we
in
agreement
with
that
right.
C
C
H
C
H
C
F
E
C
Contracted
mentioning
no,
but
when
Joaquin
and
Governor
mentioning
is
that
the
chief
will
take
action
when
we
report
it
so
I'll,
just
saying
yeah,
but
that's
that's
separate
them.
What
we're
talking
about
so
I
don't
know.
Do
you
want
a
clarification
on
that?
If
they're
going
to
be
a
concert
or
what
is
the
question,
is
there
is.
C
Are
we
going
to
the
immediate
supervisor
the
captain
can
say,
get
out
of
service
or
at
least
how
to
beat
the
threshold
here,
the
captain,
the
superhero
or
Administration,
and
what's
time
for
you
to
do
on
that,
so
that
would
be
something
like
there's.
No,
we
would
report
and
then
it's
a
Administration
if
they
want
to
allow
us
to
completely
take
a
unit
out
of
service
or
do
we
or
is
our
stance
going
to
be?
We
want
the
ability
to
complete
each
other.
You
know
so.
J
E
J
E
A
F
G
C
C
E
An
hour
I
respond
on
the
highways
I'm
on
the
road
with
cars
that
are
doing
85
miles
an
hour
legally,
but
that's
how
fast
it
went.
So.
My
question
is:
is
when
I
called
in
and
reported
that
I
was
told,
keep
driving
into
calls
by
a
district?
So
do
I
have
this
authority
to
override
that
and
take
it
out
of
service.
J
J
C
E
E
H
H
Not
more
things
than
than
just
the
trucks.
You
know
you
have
some
something.
You
know
that
that
may
take
you
know
longer
to
assess,
but
generally
come
on.
No
One's
Gonna
just
sit
on
it
for
seven
days.
You
know
they're
going
to
try
and
move
on
it.
We
just
give
them
up
to
seven
days
to
to
assess
and
give
you
a
written
plan.
That's
all
right.
H
H
H
J
C
C
Simple
referencing,
this
this
manner
that
requires
people
are
going
to
work
with
the
Union
president
in
order
to
develop
their
Equitable
policy.
This
is
the
scheduling,
prison,
learning
or
overtime
and
that
we
would
be
here
basically
a
similar
technical
yeah.
Basically,
you
take
the
first
part
of
that
sentence
and
just
say
so
this
way
it's
a
a
it's
a
working
document.
It
continues
that
you've
modified
into
where
things
change
and
it's
not
tried
by
the
CBA
other
than
really.
C
A
G
C
I
G
I
C
C
A
E
F
D
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A
H
J
F
J
H
H
C
C
That's
4.3,
okay,
so
4.4
for
any
other
resources
within
the
conversation
will
be
the
sole
provider
for
services.
That
is
a
from
sentence
by
sentence.
Other
cities
have
done
it,
they
refer
going
back
to
it,
and
all
it
is
is
what
we're
looking
at
again.
Our
whole
concept
with
this
is
the
health
and
safety
side.
C
So
if
it
incorporated
city
limits,
you
won't
contract
with
anyone
to
do
the
job,
so
the
firefighters
or
the
paramedics.
If
you're
going
to
contract
someone
again
or
you
won't
contract
with
someone
to
do
that
in
the
innovate,
the
city
of
the
way
down
annexes
more
land
than
the
City
of
Laredo
fire
department
will
be
providing
those
services
to
that
area.
So
I
guess.
D
F
C
One
point,
but
you
you
would
Annex
the
road
already
over
there
right.
No,
so
then
it's
just
the
whole
issue
is
and
again,
and
this
is
why
the
integral
agreements
is
that
city
property,
but
then
we'll
be
responding
within
the
the
interim
and
that
and
that
really
it
comes
up
where
you're
going
to
send
someone
to
a
station
or
whatever
we
won't
do
work.
F
C
This
is
more
of
is
same
thing.
That
happened
with
the
with
the
water
system
that
it
was
privatized
and
then
that
wasn't
done
right
or
we
could
you
contract.
The
city
says
the
contractor
has
to
do
it,
and
then
we
find
out
that
it
wasn't
done
to
the
specifications
of
the
city.
This
is
more
within
the
city
or
incorporated
city
limits.
J
C
F
C
C
You
know,
but
for
Building
Inspections
or
it's
not
been
infected,
someone
doing
the
paperwork
just
like
if
we
increase
the
the
staff
here,
it's
still
under
housed
under
the
fire
department
though,
but
this
is
basically
the
fire
department
would
not
be
removed
from
that
task
right.
So
if
arson
is
completely
removed
and
we
replace
it
with
a
private
company,
then
we
have
an
issue
right.
I
A
A
C
C
C
E
C
G
E
J
E
J
C
D
C
Depends
on
who
you
couldn't
right
across
the
state
that
they're
actually
becoming
more
back
towards,
especially
in
that
case,
because
the
liability
that
or
the
response
that
they're
getting
now
and
what
what
other
cities
have
done
and
I
think
there's
multiple
cities
and
we
actually
have
data
and
I.
Think
that's
going
to
be
part
of
our
food.
C
Both
under
the
fire
department
and
they
just
solely
hire
their
Menace
and
they
sold
your
house
fire,
but
these
fire
departments
still
government
and
the
reasoning
is
to
create
a
policy
on
how
they
interact.
So
when
some
of
these
cities
in
the
Rio
Grande
Valley,
what
ends
up
happening
is
Byron
EMS,
EMS,
private
fires,
Municipal
they
don't
communicate.
They
don't
assist.
There's
many
things
in
the
response
that
it's
not
rolled
out,
because
it's
just
all
on
them,
so
maybe
cost
wise.
C
G
C
I
C
A
good
night
of
cancer,
so
your
family,
that's
what
that's
that's
the
issue
we
have.
We
want
to
resolve
it
now,
so
that
it
doesn't
stop
the
response,
because
we
also
know
that
every
minute
that
we
held
off
from
the
response
is
going
to
make
everything
much
more
worthless
right.
What
this
is
saying
is
that
if
we
do
grow
or
the
fact
that.
C
That
we're
going
to
be
going
in
to
pick
up
the
basically
any
message
created
because
we've
seen
this
city
of
the
city
that
has
gone
that
route,
that
some
of
them
are
coming
back
because
it
just
wasn't
worth
it.
If
the
service
is
going
to
suffer
and
we
our
city
has
done
it,
we
bring
up
the
water
example,
it
was
privatized
and
then
what
did
the
city
find
out?
C
D
J
G
D
C
E
H
C
It's
not
look.
I'm
not
gonna,
get
an
extra
100
000
in
my
pocket.
If
the
city
grows
and
they
open
any
client
surgery
right,
I'm
gonna
be
at
my
station.
That's
it
all
we're
saying
is:
if
I
have
to
go
over
there,
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
the
people
that
we're
training
with
and
under
the
same
policies
under
the
same
rules,
whether
good
or
bad
or
whatever
they
feel
about
them.
C
H
H
C
If
they're
any
governmental,
pregnancy
inside
or
outside,
of
course
limits
in
the
absence
of
another
agreement
or
so
liability
was
contracted
away
with
with
any
other
governments
or
priority.
The
city
was
not
resolved
and
is
responsible
for
any
and
also
a
liability
that
arises
from
the
Furnishing
Asset
Services.
C
Yeah
but
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna
cover
them
yeah,
so
we're
saying
well,
even
if
you
do
have
it
or
if
we're
supposed
to
have
underground
agreements,
if
you
negotiate
a
liability
in
case
something
happens,
you're
not
completely
absolved.
Right
again,
we
go
back
to
the
same
thing.
It
probably
cost
effective
not
to
cover
liability
on
100
firemen,
if
you
send
them
out
and
half
of
them
die
right,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
covered.
C
H
J
C
J
J
B
H
D
C
Role
of
being
asked
I
don't
see
why
we
would
want
that
to
be
the
case
like
well,
you
might
win
it
in
court
in
five
years.
You
know
have
at
it.
You
know
your
husband's
gone
or
your
wife
is
gone
or
your
Dad
or
Mom
or
Dad,
but
you
know
so.
Maybe
the
union
can
help
you.
Maybe
someone
can
help
you
right
which
which
now
it
limits
you
right,
because
if
it's
civil
liability
or
understands.
G
C
C
H
If
I'm
just
sitting
here
as
the
city,
Side
I'd,
say
I'm
fine
with
it,
because
it
doesn't
really
have
any
teeth,
guys:
okay,
because
your
salary
responsible
civil
liabilities
I'm
only
going
to
be
responsible
for
whatever
specific
liabilities
that
I'm
responsible
for
right.
Fifteen
percent,
fifty
percent
you'll.
H
H
C
H
G
H
C
H
C
E
H
E
Trying
to
get
it
where
yeah
so
we're
city
employees
on
City,
Department,
City
time,
the
City
Board
of
governmental
contract
with
somebody
else.
We
should
be
Covenant
of
the
city,
it's
what
it
should
be.
It's
what
I
think
all
guys
the
impression
was
I
think
that's
even
what
was
said
at
the
table.
I
think
that
was
said
earlier
explain
lawyer
said,
but
we're
the
impression
is
that,
where
city
employees
being
told
to
do
something
by
a
city
supervisor,
how.
H
A
A
C
That
they
would
be
covered
or
the
governor.
However,
roll
down
they'll
be
covered
and
there
were
still
questions
there.
Oh
no,
no
they're
not
covered
right
now.
Do
they
need
the
timeline
to
this?
What
we're
saying
is
that
and
that's
within
the
city
right
there
was
still
the
issues
where
the
insurance
company
is
not
going
to
want
to
pay
out
right.
David.
J
J
C
C
C
C
C
Completely
disagrees
with
is
one
thing
or
what
you're
saying
is:
okay,
maybe
we
can
award
something
better
and
that's
what
we're
here
for
right.
We
didn't
intend
just
like
any
other
article
we
didn't
incent
for
like.
Oh,
this
is
going
to
be
the
language
that
we
really
want
and
that's
it
right
so
yeah
the
intent
is
just
in
case
this
happens.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
now
we
brought
up
the
the
incidence
in
covet
right
there.
E
Of
course,
is
it's
an
insurance
paid
by
the
city
for
each
individual,
one
of
us
right
right?
Okay,
so
if
y'all
sign
a
contract
with
Tony
or
any
other
outside
government
of
agent
intergovernmental
agency
and
absolves
your
cells
of
liability,
hoping
that
they're
going
to
cover
us
they're,
not
paying
workman's
comp
for
us
if
they
had
no
outside
insurance.
For
us,
it's
going
to
be.
H
E
H
H
Okay,
so
4.4
I
think
that's
that's
true,
I'm
saying
that,
for
instance
like
in
the
absence
of
a
governmental
contractor
and
I'm
taking
out
the
ore
for
now
like
in
the
absence
of
governmental
contract,
say
snaps
off
of
responsibility.
You
know
for
liabilities,
but
that's
always
that's
already.
The
case
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure
what
it
is
that
you're
you're
trying
to
get
with
that
language.
It
seems
like
what
you're
trying
to
get
is
different.
What
your
language
settings
are
cool,
so
I'd
like
to.
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A
Much
gives
us
a
a
road
map
of
what,
if
these
ml
youth
would
require
and
whether
we're
allowed
to
enter
into
these
intergovernmental
contracts
right,
so
it
so
in
no
way
does
the
statute
say
that
you
have
to
contract
that
governments
have
to
make
contracts
for
these
things.
But
what
I
want
to
say
is
that
it
seems
as
though
the
impression
is
that,
in
the
absence
of
these
contracts,
the
city.
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So
she
said
yeah
as
opposed
to,
but
before
we
go
there
I
think.
That's
why
we're
we're
all
taking
it.
We
mentioned
the
training,
the
policies
like
all
those
should
be
in
place,
and
this
is
kind
of
what
we're
asking
there
should
be
an
intergovernmental
agreement.
There
should
be
a
policy.
There
should
be
training
for
the
firefighters
they
should
train
for
the
supervisors.
We
should
all
know
what
we're
doing
and
actually
have.
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We
know,
and
we
can
distinguish
lawful
order
versus
we
want
to
know.
We
can
distinguish
whether
we
should
be
responding
or
not
whether
there
is
an
anti-governmental
agreement
or
not,
and
what
is
that
going
to
cover
so
that
we
know
the
parameters
and
what
we
should
be
responding
so
that
we
most
likely
will
be
covered
right.
But
then
they'll
hire
his
own
and
he'll
still.
H
Example,
you
know,
is
this:
I
I
was
on
outside,
so
I
was
hoping
I
hope
that
that
one
police
officer-
but
you
know
the
West
Side-
had
these-
you
know
workout
facilities
and
gyms
and
they
had
the
PT
and
then
they
went
off-site
to
play
basketball
because
some
guy,
you
know,
lived
out
there
and
he
got
hurt.
You
know.
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Can
just
give
it
a
short
version.
I'll
give
it
to
you
yeah
before
I
got
here
that
you
all
went
to
arbitration
and
Armature
Doyle
was
a
professor.
You
know
a
lawyer
Professor,
he
says
hey,
this
is
past
practice.
You've
always
bought
back,
so
may
is
required
right
and,
and
then
I
came
in
and
I
got
admit.
You
know
I
thought
I
disagree.
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To
decide
so
the
firefighter
holds
on
so
all
you're,
going
to
end
up
doing
in
a
couple
of
decades
is
the
firefighter
will
be
capped
on
what
he's
still,
but
it
doesn't
completely
stop
employees.
It
is
sickly
right.
Okay,
for
the
firefighter
will
use
a
sickly
more
right
whenever
he
needs
it
be
sick.
He
scares
instead
of
some
guys
try
to
not
use
cigarette
for
any
reason
possible.
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If
you
look
at
the
middle
of
it,
what
was
struggling
an
additional
worksheet
with
full
pay
may
be
granted
by
the
fireship
or
representative
under
certain
circumstances,
or
extreme
hardship
or
sorrow.
So,
as
it's
been
explained
with
honest
request,
is
the
firefighter
would
have
to
call
like
a
and
kind
of
give
him
a
whole
story
on
why
it
would
need
another
shift
during
the
time
that
their
own
funeral
home,
so
the
team
brought
up.
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A
The
substantive
changes
on
20.7
again,
mostly
grammatical.
A
person
may
not
be
appointed
from
an
eligibility
list
until
the
reinstatement
list
is
exhausted.
That
was
already
part
of
the
contract.
The
only
change
is
on
20.9,
the
next
page
20.9,
the
last
sentence,
the
Department's
standard
operating
procedures
may
be
included
in
the
promotional
exams.
A
F
A
Service
and
if
and
if
you
do
assume
the
rank
of
Captain,
you
will
have
36
months
after
that
to
get
your
60
college
hours
now.
This
isn't
something
that
isn't
I
mean.
This
is
something
that's
required,
even
with
Laredo
police
officers.
If
they're
going
to
be
Chiefs,
they
have
to
have
so
many
hours
of
college.
A
C
Certain
people
call
it
an
individual
and
say:
hey:
we
have
this
training
next
week,
either
you
show
up
or
we're
not
going
to
have
it
again
for
a
year
and
there's
no
consideration
rate,
hey
whatever
you
just
notified
me.
I
had
this
in
this
one
particular
case
they
were,
it
was
an
anniversary.
They
had
a
week-long
trip
planned
already.
The
flights
were
scheduled
and
the
response
was
yeah.
We're
not
going
to
offer
another
training
through
that
you
show
up
or
you
don't
get
promoted.
C
A
C
The
reason
I
asked
the
last
sentence
right.
So
it's
you
know
it
won't
affect
whether
you
get
promoted
or
you're
ranks
win
or
when
the
effective
areas
of
the
promotion
would
we
be
overriding,
say,
the
statute
as
far
as
for
civil
service,
when
it
says
you
know,
I
missed
it
this
week,
I
kind
of
take
it
until
another
three
months,
because
the
Department's
busy
or
whatever
the
schedule
looks
like
and
although
I
lose
my
place
and
seniority
because
it
doesn't
reference
it
and
then
I.
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B
B
C
C
Was
something
that
we
had
proposed
that
we
wanted
as
a
study
material
so
that
over
firefighter's
career
he
leads
the
Sops
multiple
times
so
by
the
times
an
office?
You
might
be
more
familiar
with
it,
so
please,
but
the
city
was
a
hard
no
on
it
I
just
we
just
found
it
as
well.
Okay,
the
city
now
wants
it,
but
I
guess
a
concern.
Now
is
our
new
hires
are
not
issued
department-centered
operating
procedure
manual.
That's
not
a
thing
anymore,
stop
being
a
thing
in
2009!
Well,
then,
we
ever
got
handed
a
manual.
A
C
Didn't
have
an
issued
to
pass,
you
know.
Do
we
have
an
issue
now
it's
just
these
concerns
are
like.
Where
is
it?
Where
can
we
get
a
hold
of
it,
which
is
the
updated
one
who
keeps
track
of
that
one?
Just
so
that
one
page
one
page
or
a
couple
of
sentences
off
on
one
sop
to
a
newer
version?
You
can
come
in
a.
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E
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E
The
objective
is
to
learn
the
policies
and
put
them
up
put
them
in
the
CE
class
that
comes
after
the
promotion.
You
know
put
it
there,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
and
because
you
also,
you
don't
want
them
taking
questions
out
of
that
that
are
going
to
repeat
themselves
over
and
over
again,
because
when
they
hire.
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C
Department
make
sure
you
know
this:
is
the
material
or
print
this
out
or
buy
this
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be
as
reinforce
material
right
or
here's.
This
is
the
material
the
test
is
going
to
be
on
well.
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
Our
EMS
protocol
is
on
the
station
computers,
energy
resources
we
tap
into
here
right
to
Source,
but
when
we
uploaded,
let's
say
to
the
laptop
they're
using
and
then
that
protocol
changes,
no
one
ever
bothers
to
change
the
one.
C
H
Sometimes
we
have
outdated
information
somewhere,
but
if
it's
going
to
be
on
a
promotion
exams
for
estate
materials,
you
would
specify
right
now,
but
you
would
like
specified
Department
standard
operating
procedures,
maybe
use
so
there's
that's
why
you
know
edition
five.
You
know
right.
Zone,
win
officials.
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27.,
the
only
change
that
we
are
asking
is
27.9
and
27.9
was
added
into
this
article
after
our
last
collective
bargaining
session.
When,
on
the
record,
the
union
was
very
clear
that
we
are
aware
that
we
cannot
use,
we
cannot
do
political
activities
while
on
Association
Business,
League,
okay,
and
that's
why
we
are
putting
it
in
the
contract.
A
D
A
A
Nothing
in
here
shall
be
used
or
inconsistent
with
the
CBA
right.
That's
why
we
put
all
that
language
in
there
pursuant
to
CBA
pursuant
to
CBA.
The
other
side
of
that
coin
is
okay,
fine,
there's
maintenance
of
Standards,
but
this
cannot
be
interpreted
to
limiting
management
rights.
So
it's
almost
the
same
thing
like
when
we're
not
saying
that
oh
management
rights
are
going
to
overtake
what
maintenance
article
32
in
and
of
itself,
but
there's
still
we
we
can't
use
this
to
in.
We
can't
interpret
this
as
limiting
management
rights.
That's
all!
That's
always
that's!
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A
A
Is
that
addressing
past
practices?
All
we're
saying
is
that
this
article
cannot
be
used
to
limit
management
rights.
Whatever
management
rights
are
what
that
are
in
article
six
as
long
as
there's
no
past
practice
and
it
doesn't
interfere
with
the
any
other
contractual
obligation
of
CBA.
That
means
management
has
the
authority
to
regulate
those
things?
Can
you
give.
A
D
F
F
A
Caucus
so
on
article
20
y'all,
we
add
an
idea
about
something
so
we're
going
to
bring
that
back.
Okay,
I
know
you
all
caucused
on
it.
I
wasn't
trying
to
waste
any
time
or
anything.
It's
just.
We
found
a
different
path
to
accomplish
a
similar
goal.
So
let's
yeah
we'll
just
table
the
the
Articles
articles,
one
we'll
just
staple
that
for
now
and
we'll
bring
it
back
at
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
next
meeting,
all
right
and
article
26.
C
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C
Perfect
example
is:
if
I'm
going
to
go
on
sick
leave
right,
be
priority,
has
the
right
to
make
policy
and
things
like
that,
but
what
I'm
going
to
go
on
sickly
right
now,
I
have
to
call
before
11
pm.
So
you're
saying
this
would
not
allow
us
to
agree
with
you
just
said.
You
know
what
you
have
to
call
three
days
ahead.
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C
To
20.:
well,
that's
gonna.
We
lose
our
vacation
term,
all
other
sitting.
Employees
can
roll
over
a
certain
amount
of
time.
We
lose
it
and
by
him,
trying
to
say
I'm
going
to
reduce
it
to
12..
Well,
not
400
people.
If
you
look
at
a
calendar,
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
go
right
on
vacation,
but
that's
something
that
we're
referencing
like
and
that's
what
we
had
to
put
into
the
contract
and
say
you
know
what
we're
going
to
have
a
formula
for
how
many
people
can
be
on
vacation.
C
F
A
C
F
C
And
for
us
to
say
like
right
now,
card
Chief
already
put
out
the
books.
One
of
our
promotional
lists
is
not
going
to
expire
until
next
March.
So
if
we
put
a
promotional
list
already
or
the
new
sources
for
a
test
sometime
next
year
after
March,
but
if
we're
going
to
pick
out
Sops
and
pay
okay,
so
does
that
mean
the
Sops
are
not
going
to
change
for
the
next
15
months?
Is
that
China
the
hand
to
the
Chief
and
say
I'm
not
going
to
change
any
of
my
policy
because.
A
A
So
that
that
would
be
the
case
so
if
you're
applying
for
captain
or
you're
applying
for
something
above
that
District
Chief
seniority,
points
give
you
some
sort
of
seniority
points.
Yes,
if
you
have
a
associate's
degree,
it's
one
point:
you
have
a
bachelor's.
It's
two
points.
You
have
a
master's
degree
of
three
points,
something
like
that.
C
J
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D
A
That's
what
I'm
saying
I
think
a
degree.
That's
why
I
think
it
did
so
maybe
it
could
be
like
again,
it
could
be
if
you
have
60
hours.
It's
one
point:
if
you
have
an
Associates,
it's
two:
if
you
have
a
Bachelors,
it's
three,
something
like
that.
You
know
if
I
mean
the
degree
I
mean
it.
Essentially,
it's
essentially
saying
that,
like
you
know,
for
qualified
you're
capable
you're
able
to
get
to
places
on
time
finish
a
task.
All
those
things
are
very
very
important
skills
to
have
in
this
in
the
in
this
field,.
H
G
C
It
just
there
would
have
to
be
some
sort
of
parameter
set
for
for
it
to
be
used
in
the
past.
We've
always
liked
it
again,
but
we
would
run
into
the
same
thing
when
the
policy
going
to
change
and
they're
not
going
to
change
how
we're
going
to
make
it
the
the
official
policy
will
they
be
printed
out
in
the
department
will
provide
it
because
it
it
is
a
working
document.
The
chief
needs
to
change
it.
Is
he
going
to
reference
for
this
exam?
C
H
D
H
I
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
like
a
third
of
the
questions,
and
maybe
just
you
know
a
small
subset
of
questions
to
this
sop
versus
your
your
other.
You
know
books,
so
maybe
hey.
This
is
the
policy
I
mean
this.
Is
the
Sops
that's
relevance
to
this
exam
if
he
changes
something
those
things
you
know,
may
not
be
in
any
right
way.
When
you
ask
questions
on
outdated,
you
know
Sops,
obviously
so
well,.
C
H
C
G
C
D
H
C
C
A
I
C
I
mean
it
could
be
part
of
our
fire
CE
we're
required
to
do
20
hours,
I
mean
if,
in
our
train
division,
we
don't
have
to
go
to
the
expensive
pain
of
private
company
five
thousand
dollars.
It
creates
a
chance
sure
you
have
your
train
division,
create
the
questions,
give
us
four
hours
to
see
five
hours
of
CE
for
learning
the
SOP,
whatever,
as
you
said,
for
each
rank,
what
what
the
administration
determines.
These
are
the
ones.
You
really
need
to
know
these
Sops
as
a
driver.
C
You
need
to
know
this
about
pumping
your
responsibility
to
the
truck.
The
firefighter
team
should
earn
responsibilities
of
the
ambulance
driving
the
due
diligence.
The
captains
need
to
know
their
roles.
Officers
I
mean
this
could
be
created
in-house
and
given
CE
to
to
motivate
them
to
read
this
material
and
that'll
be
very
cost
effective
yeah.
If
the
goal
is
to
get
our
members
more
educated
on
the.
E
A
D
F
H
I
B
I
A
C
E
A
So
as
as
the
chief
of
the
of
the
fire
department,
my
guess
is
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
you're
trying
to
take
the
department
in
a
certain
direction.
I
mean
you
can't
say
that
every
Chief
is
the
same,
and
for
those
of
you
that
have
served
under
multiple
Chiefs
I
would
imagine
that
they're
all
different
right,
they're,
all
very
different.
With
that
being
said,
each
and
every
Chief
has
its
own
Vision.
In
order
to
carry
out
that
Vision,
you
need
to
have
your
own
team
and
a
lot
of
the
times.
A
A
So
you
need
to
be
able,
he
needs
to
be
able
to
pick
his
own
team
right
and
he
can't
do
it
right.
You
can't
do
it.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
you're
being
able
to
he
has
to
be
able
to
pick
his
own
team
the
way
he
wants
it
to
complete
his
vision
and
that's
all
it
is
man.
That's
all.
It
is
well.
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C
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E
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E
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C
Provocations
and
times
off
matter,
truck
and
Ambience
is
9
16.
question
fire
crash,
Fire
and
Rescue
any
other
additional
entities
needed
for
units
at
companies,
divisions
not
specifically
address,
distribute
that
are
added
in
the
library
shall
be
agreed
upon
by
the
Fire
Chief
and
the
union.
President.
A
C
A
A
B
B
A
A
C
Before
we
get
to
the
pension
shortfall
12.3,
if
there's
any
so
12.1
is
pretty
much
requiring
to
keep
what
the
city
is
doing
as
of
today
right,
not
adding
anything
new,
but
just
keeping
in
place.
What
is
there
assigned
as
per
the
roster
right,
keeping
in
mind,
mostly
divisions?
We
didn't
have
it's
an
Administration.
C
C
C
4.1
kind
of
determines
that
who
has
4.3
C
determines
what
demand
power
as
far
as
full-time
position
should
be
now
when
D
triggers
is,
if
there
is
a
shortfall
and
the
city
has
not
billed
for
whatever
reason,
and
yes,
we
would
have
to
somehow
contribute
to
the
retention
point
so
since
the
city
is,
for
whatever
reason,
not
hiring
the
academy
and
yes,
the
city
should
put
in
now
mind
you.
It
is
a
reduced
cost
to
the
city,
to
just
put
the
pension
contributions
in
and
to
hire
the
firefighter.
C
They
say
that
six
months
is
more
than
enough
time
to
hold
the
test
and
have
the
process
to
hire
an
academy.
So
that's
that's
where
that's
coming
from.
If
the
city
wants
to
take
longer
than
they
can,
it
would
be
a
lesson
penalty,
though
it's
about
contributions
of
the
city
and
and
firefighters
about
35
36
versus
what
you
would
be
paying
100
for
a
firefighter.
So
the
cities
still
have
a
64
percent.
C
On
the
pension
so,
and
actually,
if
they
were
hiring
them,
it's,
the
20.1
percent
of
the
city
would
contribute
you're
only
coming
up
with
the
would
contribute.
So
it's
a
small
penalty
for
waiting
to
hire
an
academy.
Now,
there's
issues
on
safety,
there's
issues
on
Staffing
that
are
needed,
but
if
we're
not
trying
to
limit
the
city
and
saying
you
don't
have
to
it's
just
if
you
aren't
at
least
put
money
into
the
pension
fund,
because
that's
going
to
show
a
massive
losses
if
you're
not
hiring
firemen
or
replacing
them
as
they
retire.
C
A
I
C
C
And
we're
still
short
18
guys
today
and
so
there's
there's
a
storage
Department
right
now,
so
the
Pension
funds
aren't
getting
the
funds
that
they
actually
said.
That
should
be
getting
one.
Two
Department
have
already
voted
a
reduction
or
massive
reduction
in
benefits
and
contributing
one
percent
has
that
happened
yet.
A
C
Benefit
regarding
our
writings,
okay
yeah
benefit
directions
to
perfect
January
1st
of
this
year.
All
the
reduction
is
not
coming
overtime,
a
lower
near
factor
and
all
those
things
took
effect
already.
The
one
percent
contribution
and
membership
approved
is
expected
to
kick
in
October
1st
for
October
1st
and.
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C
We're
going
to
change
this,
we
want
to
change
this,
it's
a
it's,
the
three-legged
stool
and
it's
in
our
procedure
where
we
actually
has
to
approve
it.
The
membership
has
to
approve
it
as
a
whole,
and
then
the
board
approves
that
change.
There's
the
three
late
stool
for
the
process.
So
we
couldn't
change
because,
basically
reducing
about
one
percent,
they
actually
would
never
say
yeah.
You
can
reduce
what.
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C
D
C
C
C
A
So
I
think
you
know
the
ftes
at
and
the
academies
can
get
quite
expensive
and
again
this
is
going
to
be
another
another
discussion
of
the
amount
of
money
that
the
city
is
willing
to
invest
in
this
contract.
Where
is
it
going
to
go
and
as
you
as
I
can
see
from
all
of
the
concerns
that
you've
all
have
raised,
safety
aging
fleets,
equipment
came.
A
No
it's
health
and
safety
issue,
it
is
an
open
safety
issue
and
and
that's
why,
but
all
of
these
things
are
and-
and
we
we
said
it-
it's
a
symptom
of
needing
the
funds
to
purchase
all
these
things
to
have
the
best
equipment.
Your
I
really
don't
want
to
hear
the
word
washing
machines,
but
where
are
they
called
again
extractors?
Thank
you.
I'm,
sorry,
guys,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
insulting
I
just
did
not
I
did
not
remember
that
and
the
extractors
thank
you.
So
the
extractors
all
of
these
things
cost
money.
A
So
now
it's
we
have
this
pot
of
money.
How
are
we
going
to
spend
it
and
I
think
this
is
also
going
to
tie
into
the
economic
discussions
that
we're
going
to
have
probably
very
soon
but
we'll
cross
this
out
and
see
what
it
would
cost
if
we
were
to
with
the
shortfall
we
have,
how
much
of
a
contribution
is
going
to
be
and
I
mean.
B
C
C
So
half
of
the
city
we
have
saved
and
Madison's
budget
was
basically
on
our
backs
and
every
time
you
save
money
or
you
think,
you're
saving
money,
you're
really
hurting
our
pension,
which
ultimately
the
city
is
a
sponsor
and
is
responsible
for
that
payment.
When
the
fund
can
no
longer
make
that
payment
for
retirees
and
there
will
be
optimally
responsible.
C
Actually,
the
last
time
that
you
gave
us
one
percent
was
to
quantify
basically
y'all
created
a
benefit
increase
without
it,
without
considering
the
effect
it
was
going
to
have
to
our
membership,
and
we
only
changed
it
at
10
o'clock
from
an
average
of
112
and
you
changed
it
to
120,
112
and
104..
What
that
time,
the
way
our
pensional
work
was,
there
were
able
to
pick
pay
periods
instead
of
months
or
years
they
were
able
to
pick
pay
periods.
C
So
when
the
city
said
in
2016,
January
2016
said
over
one
of
this
payroll,
the
guy's
retiring
then
were
able
to
pick
all
the
120s,
basically
creating
a
benefit
increase
without
contribution
from
anyone
to
that
benefit,
increase
and
the
whole
reason.
The
cities
are
following
the
city
Charter
right
now
at
14,
paying
21
because
back
then
also
sometime
around
2012
and
2013.
C
in
the
city's
pension
change,
but
nobody
contributed
more
money.
Officially,
the
city
charging
changed
from
7
to
14
inch
paper,
but
the
pension
got
way
better
for
city
employees
10
years
ago,
which
were
happening.
It
got
a
little
better,
but
there
was
no
increase
and
that's
why?
Your
actual
assumption
is
so
high
is
seven
percent
more
than
what
it
should
be,
because
no
one
accounted
for
that
change
monetarily
to
into
it
like
when
we
we
ask
for
a
benefit
increase,
are
going
to
cost
you
this
much
okay,
so.
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J
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E
C
C
J
Girls
right
so
my
question
and
I
think
I
made
it
one
time
before
there's
still
another
board
member
and
he
couldn't
answer.
This
was
okay,
I,
understand
the
shortages,
but
then
because
of
shortages,
there's
overtime,
that's
created
right,
there's,
Revenue,
there's,
there's
money
that's
being
made
and
that
money
is
going
into
the
pension.
So
how
do
you
I
mean
it's
not
one-to-one.
C
C
We
can
do
that
right
if
the
overtime
is
made,
we'll
reduce
those
contributions,
but
the
city
will
contribute
its
contribution
and
the
firefighters
which
is
36.1
percent,
and
if
it
turns
out
to
be
two
three
four
percent,
we
can
reduce
it,
but
then
the
city
can
contribute
already,
and
that
is
oh.
So
after
six
months,
because
that's
what
my
department
has
said,
our
attorney
said
that
that's
all
you
need
to
hire
an
academy
and
and
yeah.
We
have
no
issue
reducing
that.
E
And
just
so,
you
know
with
that
question
that
you
previously
posed.
It
was
actually
a
double
sword,
because
there
was
lack
of
contributions
and
then
an
increased
amount
that
somebody
would
take
when
they
retire
because
of
the
overtime
now
that's
been
removed,
so
we
had
to
remove
another
benefit
because
of
the
problem
of
static
Staffing.
Lack
of
Staff
have
created
multiple
issues.
It
was
multiple
shortfalls.
It
wasn't
just
not
enough
money
coming
in
because
lack
of
people,
it
was
a
massive
amount
of
money
leading,
so
we
actually
reduced
benefits
for
that.
C
E
C
So
it
affects
more
than
one
thing
and
so
we're
expensive
joaquinas.
If
the
city
chose
you
know
what
we
need
to
a
cost
saving,
you
know
we're
not
going
to
hire
a
50
firemen
for
the
next
two
years.
That's
fine!
But
for
18
months
of
those
at
least
those
contributions
are
going
to
the
funds
that
are
needed
so
that
we
don't
lose
track
of
that,
at
least
so
there
would
be
a
cost
savings
to
the
city
of
somewhere.
You
know
70
percentile
of
what
it
costs
entire
apartment.
C
E
No
I
I
think
a
healthy
brand
is
beneficial
for
the
city.
For
us,
I
mean
we're
not
we're
nowhere
near
any
point
that
we
could
ever
make
benefit
changes,
benefit
changes
like
increase,
we're
trying
to
sustain
it,
and
it
just
seems
like
at
every
turn,
no
matter
what
we
do.
You
can't
overcome
the
shortfalls
of
not
having
contributions.
C
C
Actually
has
told
us
of
where
we
need
to
be.
This
is
as
close
as
we've
been
to
actually
getting
there
in
what
15
years
now,
and
we
brought
this
up-
we've
been
working
towards
getting
there
so
that
we
can
have
a
healthy
fun
and
a
healthy
sustainable
fund
and
we're
almost
there.
We
just
need
to
make
maybe
one
or
two
more
tweaks,
and
we
have
no
I,
don't
think
the
membership
has
any
problem
of
making
them
it's
just.
We
need
to
balance
out
there.
H
H
H
E
E
C
I
C
C
G
G
C
Whatever
years
I
am
it's
more?
Oh,
yes,
but
I
put
in
16
I
put
in
more
than
double
the
amount
of
money
in
any
account
it's
going
to
save
up
more,
but
still
like
that.
It's
still
a
true
to
one
ratio
and
where
the
city
and
and
again
we're
comparing
two
different
funds.
But
still
it's
a
two
to
one
ratio
over
five
part
of
the
support
of
what
is
it?
1.31
ratio
and
that's
not
what's
being
argued
for
this.