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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 02/24/2023
E
B
Well,
thank
you
all
for
coming
by
and
meeting
with
us,
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
once
again
come
to
the
negotiation
table
and
and
reaching
a
deal
on
this
contract.
Just
by
way
of
background
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
familiar,
we
did
reach
an
impasse
last
year
at
around
October.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
you
know
I
think
it
was
about
October
or
November
in
November.
B
E
B
And
I
guess
with
that
being
said,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
We
have
the
ground
rules
here
and
we'd
like
to
go
over
them
now.
These
are
the
same
ground
rules.
From
the
last
time
we
were
negotiating
with
some
changes,
and
your
union
representative
Mr
Gonzalez
made
certain
changes
to
the
ground
rules
and
they
are
highlighted.
B
G
B
Guess
we
can
just
read
through
the
words,
so
these
ground
rules
establish
guidelines
for
negotiating
a
successor,
collective
bargaining
agreement
between
the
association
and
the
City.
The
association
in
the
city
recognize
their
long-term
interdependent
relationship.
Accordingly,
the
parties
acknowledge
a
mutual
interest
in
working
together
to
resolve
their
differences
in
a
fiscally
responsible
Manner
and
provide
a
desirable
work
environment
for
employees
and
high
quality,
uninterrupted
service
to
the
citizens
of
this
of
this
city.
There's
a
typo
there
I
will
fix
that
I
will
I
will
fix
that,
to
the
extent
practicable
practicable.
B
The
parties
have
agreed
to
pursue
a
joint
problem-solving
approach
to
labor
negotiations,
to
establish
a
working
relationship
based
on
trust
and
cooperation
rather
than
confrontation.
To
this
end,
the
parties
commit
to
open
and
honest
communication
and
a
sincere
effort
to
understand
each
other's
points
of
view
about
issues
that
must
be
resolved.
Furthermore,
the
party
strive
to
achieve
creative,
sustainable
and
fiscally
responsible
solutions
to
issues
mutually
satisfying
their
interests.
The
ground
rules
may
be
modified
in
writing
by
mutual
agreement
of
the
parties.
B
G
B
Okay,
now
bargaining
terms,
each
representative
bargaining
team
shall
consist
of
at
most
six
members,
not
counting
the
chief
negotiator
seated
at
the
table.
The
parties
understand
and
agree
that
the
chief
negotiators
for
the
association
shall
be
David,
Gonzalez
and
or
Albert
Choppa,
and
the
chief
negotiators
for
the
city
shall
be
Joaquin
Rodriguez.
B
B
G
Yeah,
so
our
thing
is
just
the
the
board
field:
there
may
be
a
conflict
of
interest.
Okay,
as
far
as
the
association
is
a
former
client.
That
being
said,
if
you're
you
know,
the
Barfield
there's
gonna
be
some
confidential
information
that
that
has
a
former
representative
of
the
association
Zone,
where
the
City
attorney
may
have
put
it
on
the
record
that
the
association
acknowledges
that
that
there
may
be
some.
There
is
a
conflict
of
interest
as
per
the
the
rules
for
the
professional
content
for
for
our
Texas
disciplinary.
G
You
know
rules
of
official
or
professional
conduct.
That
being
said,
the
association
has
no
issue
on
on
zones
sitting
at
the
table.
We
just
they
don't
want
to
voice
that
the
association
recognizes
a
conflict.
I
know
that
you
mentioned
that
you
know
there
may
be
issues,
but
because
the
association
and
the
board
decided
that
it's
fine
to
go
out
and
around
to
them.
I
went
to
the
team.
All.
B
B
So
here's
here's
the
issue
with
that.
If
there
is
a
conflict
then
he
would
be
legally
precluded
from
from
being
at
the
table.
The
only
thing
that
you
would
do
would
be
waving
that
conflict.
So
if
you
would
like
to
memorialize
the
waiver
of
that
conflict
right,
then
that
would
be
something
that
you
could
present
and
we
can.
G
B
G
We
discovered,
as
far
as
even
like
that,
with
the
conflict
of
yourself
working
in
the
same
office,
so
without
getting
into
the
weeds,
as
far
as
let's
say
the
city
attorney's
office
and
then
come
pick,
it
out
they're
not
going
down
that
road
we'll
put
in
in
terms
so
that
we
understand
that
the
any
potential
conflicts
Association
is
why
we
okay.
Thank.
G
E
B
B
F
G
G
No
he's
saying
if
we
have
any
questions
or
concerns:
okay,
yeah
I
mean
you're
you're
gonna
consult
with
your
your
buddy
another.
We
wanted
to
consult
with
them,
but
we
had
questions.
Would
you
be
available
so
that
we
we
made
consult
or
or
even
ask
any
questions
or
any
verification
when
it
comes
to
it
on
the
record.
I
I
B
B
Negotiators
otherwise
agreed
further.
The
negotiations
shall
be
conducted
primarily
to
achieve
negotiators
or
a
design
letter
G
negotiator
of
either
teen
May
designate
an
alternate
Chief
negotiator
for
any
given
session
by
providing
no
less
than
24
hours
notice
of
an
alternate
designation
to
the
chief
negotiator
for
the
opposing
negotiating
team
letter
H
either
party
May
designate
alternates
to
substitute
for
any
member
of
its
respective
team
except
the
chief
negotiator,
but
notice
of
any
such
substitution
must
be
made
to
the
opposing
Chief
negotiator
at
least
24
hours.
B
In
advance
of
any
scheduled
session
letter
I,
the
parties
recognize
stipulate
and
agree
to
collective
bargaining
processes
being
conducted
primarily
through
meetings
of
the
respective
bargaining
teams.
A
quorum
must
be
established
by
both
bargaining
teams
in
order
to
commence
a
bargaining
session.
A
corn
for
dissociation
shot
consists
of
the
chief
negotiator
and
one
member,
a
corn
for
the
city,
shall
consist
of
the
chief
negotiator
and
one
member,
a
party
with
the
Quorum
May
at
its
discretion.
B
Waive
the
Quorum
requirement
of
the
other
party
for
discussion
purposes
and
tentative
agreements
shall
be
allowed
to
be
signed
under
those
circumstances.
Now
on
letter
I,
because
there's
highlighted
portions,
these
are
suggestions
or
modifications
that
you
wish
to
make
to
the
older
ground
rules
and
I
guess.
My
question
is
I
would
just
like
an
explanation
as
to
why
you
feel
that
there's
amendments
or
changes
are
necessary.
Well.
G
Once
we
list
a
team
of
six
seven,
and
just
because
one
or
two
or
or
if
the
Quorum
is
not
met,
I,
we
believe
that
the
lead
negotiators
or
or
one
or
two
members
are
more
than
capable
of
making
the
decision.
This
period
of
collective
bargaining,
chapter
174
is
going
to
have
the
decision
makers
at
the
table.
Yes,
so
I
guess
other
than
not
having
a
decision,
because
any
other
situation
should
be
allowed
to
to
TA
an
argument.
G
Furthermore,
knowing
that
it
requires
final
approval
from
the
association
representative
council,
so
pretty
much,
the
TA
doesn't
lock
anything
in
in
stone.
It's
just
basically
we're
agreeing
until
an
actual
form
of
approval,
plus
the
T
can
also
be
brought
back
by
agreement
of
both
lead
negotiators
to
discuss
if
their
issue
does
arise.
So
we
didn't
see
why
negotiation
should
be
maybe
the
later
held
up,
because
we're
missing
one
or
two
third
person
on
the
table.
G
Now
the
rules
also
allow
for
us
to
cancel,
postpone
a
meeting.
If
you
feel
that
someone
vital
to
your
team
does
not
have
to
be
present
by
all
means.
One
part
one
side
can
reach
out
to
the
other
side
and
say
you
know
what
I
don't
have
we're
going
over
financials
in
Jesus
is
just
you
know
in
the
hospital
I.
E
J
G
But
I
mean
and
again
we
can
discuss
what
the
Quorum
may
be
I,
just
knowing
with
all
the
other
fans
in
the
groundwork.
As
far
as
Pas
bringing
them
back
get
rescheduling.
Postponing
meetings,
I,
I,
didn't
I,
didn't
see
an
issue
as
far
as
if
the
lead
negotiator
and
one
of
the
team
members
could
make
a
decision
on.
E
G
All
I'm
saying
is
that
if
you
know
it
happens
in
where
the
situation
is
that
you
know
we,
we
have
two
or
going
to
make
it
three
or
four
members
that
it's
fine
to
go
in
ta
on
it,
knowing
that,
if,
on
my
side,
I
felt
we
needed
someone
that
has
to
be
here
for
the
day,
I
can
reach
out
and
say
you
know
what
we're
not
ready
for
the
meeting.
This
person
got
ill
and
there
was
an
accident.
G
Can
we
just
scheduled
a
meeting
and
just
like
this
meeting,
it
was
rescheduled
basically
done
interview
a
couple
of
times
again
and
we
have
no
issue
with
rescheduling
the
media.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
meant
to
say
well
now
we're
trying
our
cats
the
other
side,
with
only
two
people.
There
I
mean
we
can
change
it.
I
just.
I
G
J
B
G
F
G
G
I
G
B
E
B
E
E
G
G
G
B
And
then,
on
that
last
sentence,
I,
don't
think
that
ta
should
be
allowed
if
there
is
no
Quorum
right.
So
not
because
it's
saying
so
so
the
way
that
that
sentence
reads
is
let's
say:
the
city
doesn't
make
Quorum
right
and
you
all
want
to
discuss
in
ta
stuff,
you're
saying
no
we'll
waive
the
Quorum
requirement
and
we
can
allow
Tas
I.
Think
that's
the
that's
the
hiccup
for
the
city.
We
don't
want
to
allow
Tas.
B
G
You
only
have
three
and
I'm
gonna
have
it
just
so:
I
can
squeeze
in
a
T8
I'm
reading
it
as
I
present
to
you
look,
it's
me
and
three
other
or
two
others,
and
we
don't
have
four.
We
have
three,
but
actually
we
have
the
people
that
can
make
the
decision
on
this
here,
but
we
have
no
issue
moving
forward
to
TA
I
think
it
opens
up.
G
G
B
B
B
Nothing
in
these
ground
rules,
chapter
event
or
preclude
each
bargaining
team
from
having
members
present
for
purpose
purposes
of
consultation
and
confirmation
of
facts,
figures,
processes
and
procedures.
Each
bargaining
team
may
freely
consult
and
seek
advice
from
prospective
Personnel
who
may
sit
behind
the
team
and
be
available
for
consultation.
B
J
C
E
E
C
F
E
B
E
E
E
C
B
Only
the
cheap
letter
B
only
the
chief
negotiator
of
each
party
May,
authorize
and
allow
members
of
the
bargaining
team
to
address
a
point
or
make
a
presentation
letter
C,
the
chief
negotiator
for
each
party,
with
the
consent
of
the
bargaining
team,
may
make
Tas
for
commitments
regarding
specific
terms
and
conditions
raised
in
the
contract
negotiations.
Tas
that
are
in
writing
and
initial
by
the
chief
negotiator
shall
be
treated
as
concluded
and
off
the
table,
thereby
allowing
the
parties
to
proceed
to
other
issues.
F
B
G
Think
there
was
some
issue
that
happened
over
time.
The
negotiated
and
I
know
the
associated
with
negotiating
for
a
while.
So
some
issues
took
place
that,
as
it
was
discussed,
preparation
for
the
meetings
it
was
like
well,
it'd
be
best
to
approach
it
and
to
Collective
bargain
agreement
again,
going
back
to
the
spirit
of
chapter
174
collect
the
bargaining
bargaining
in
good
faith.
It
would
be
if
there
is
an
issue
instead
of
at
once,
our
University
making
a
decision.
G
B
Yeah,
we'll
just
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
we
took
a
short
caucus
to
address
some
issues.
We
apologize
for
the
inconvenience,
but
we're
back.
It's
been
about
10
minutes,
but
if
you
can
just
going
back
to
what
we
were
talking
about,
the
proposed
language
on
letter
c
section
three,
all
previously
T8
articles
of
the
sign
of
these
ground
rules
are
allowed
to
be
Revisited,
but
we're
just
like
an
explanation
as
to
why
that.
G
G
What
I'm
referring
to
the
team
is
a
spirit
of
negotiating
and
in
good
faith.
Those
issues
should
be
brought
to
the
corrective
marketing
table.
Since
that's
what's
happening,
all
right
negotiations
are
taking
place.
I
was
explaining.
You
should
be
making
a
unilateral
decisions
as
far
as
making
major
changes
and
examples
policy
or
how
we
go
about
things,
to
negotiate
good
trade
until
the
board
and
the
team.
We
should
bring
those
items
back
to
the
table
so
that
the
city
has
an
opportunity,
so
we
can
negotiate
them
and.
G
All
it
wasn't
any
reason
of
this
article
or
or
anything
that
that
came
up
other
than
issues
that
have
been
taking
place,
that
the
association
and
voiced
their
concern
of
wanting
to
address
them.
We
discussed
it
and
explained
that
the
negotiating
or
the
table
here
their
negotiations
is
the
best
place
to
address
those
issues.
Okay
and.
B
I'm
glad
you
bring
that
up,
because
I
know
that
in
our
last
bargaining
session
I
know
we
reached
an
impasse
right.
There
were
about
19
articles
that
were
ta
that
were
discussed
at
the
last
bargaining
session.
Right
with
this
would
would
this
language
allow
for
those
T8
articles
to
come
back
to
the
table.
Yes,
okay,.
B
B
To
discuss
yes
and
I'm,
not
trying
to
I
guess
get
into
your
strategy
with
your
union.
I
would
never
do
that,
but
just
for
clarification.
Just
so,
for
the
sake
of
time,
are
you
familiar
as
to
how
many
of
those
articles
that
were
previously
ta
that
they
are
going
to
bring
back
I
want
to
say
it's
two
two
and.
G
G
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
no,
it
wasn't
29,
it
was
the
the
insurance
okay.
So,
for
example,
like
an
insurance,
one
management
rights
is
I,
think
something
definitely
Association
wanted
to
discuss
them,
but
I
told
them
it's
best.
We
discuss
them
at
the
table
like
why
try
to
make
major
changes
when
you're
at
the
table
that
this
is
the
opportunity
to
do
it
so
bring
them
up
there.
The
the
engine.
Briefly
right,
the
insurance
is,
as
we
went
over
the
numbers,
we
were
told
that
it
was.
G
It
was
only
going
to
cover
two
years
of
basically
what
was
needed.
So
we
wanted
to
look
at
the
numbers
so
that
we
didn't
want
to
get
into
a
situation
where
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
down
the
line,
there's
a
shortage.
It
has
to
be
addressed
anyway,
so
again
with
the
spirit
of
collective
bargaining
and
what
the
statute
is
for.
G
There
was
most
likely
a
chance
that
whatever
was
discussed
wouldn't
cover
the
shortages
or
whatever
proposed
increases
for
the
life
of
the
agreement.
Whatever
that
may
be
I
think
Oscar
you
mentioned,
it
was
really
going
to
go
out
only
about
two
two
and
a
half
years
of
coverage,
but
we're
talking
about
our
retirees
are
dependence.
Okay,.
G
B
B
Okay,
okay
and
I-
think
that's
fine,
I
mean
and
again
I
know.
You
said
too,
article
29
and
six
I
want
us
again
we're
not
going
to
hold
you
to
it.
I
mean
in
in
the
in
the
spirit
of
good
faith
bargaining.
We
did
reach
an
impasse
and
if
there
are
things
that
you
wish
to
address,
we
might
as
well
just
gonna
hash
them
out
here
at
the
negotiation
tour
I.
G
So
that
we
can
maybe
knock
that
out,
get
those
numbers
down
so
that
what
we
don't
want
is
to
come
back
in
the
mid
contract
and
hey
there's
a
shortage.
How
are
you
going
to
provide
it
right
or
we're
going
to
increase
the
insurance
on
our
retirees
So?
To
avoid
that
we
just
rather
whatever
the
contract's
going
to
be.
B
E
B
Yeah,
so
we'll
we'll
keep
that
language
in
there.
Alternative
agreements
shall
be
allowed,
but
forgive
me
all
previously
teeth.
Articles
of
the
sign
of
these
ground
rules
are
allowed
to
be
Revisited.
Okay,
all
right
if
I
may
continue
with
letter,
D,
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
The
parties
understand
and
agree
that
ta
shall
not
be
implemented
during
the
bargaining
process.
B
All
Tas
remain
subject
to
formal
approval
of
the
contract
documented
by
the
City
of
Laredo
city
council,
under
a
duly
posted
action
item
posted
in
compliance
with
the
Texas
open
meetings,
act
and
approved
by
the
majority
vote
of
the
association
and
its
members
consistent
with
their
internal
processes,
procedures
and
bylaws,
and
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
section
174.152
of
the
Texas
local
government
code,
section
4
negotiation
sessions,
letter
A,
the
party
shall
meet
and
agree
upon
a
negotiation
schedule.
Chief
negotiators
mutual
agreement
shall
post.
B
G
B
I
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
no
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
issues
with
that
right.
If
we'll
move
on
to
letter
B
negotiation
sessions
shall
be
scheduled
to
allow
up
to
10
hours
of
negotiation,
then
caucus
time
and
will
not
last
more
than
10
hours
unless
circumstances
dictate
otherwise,
as
determined
by
the
respective
bargaining
teams.
B
G
Basically,
what
I
was
being
told
was
that
caucusing
all
morning
and
then
the
issues
were
really
not
discussed,
so
it
was
just
in
a
spirit
of
like
okay,
let's
say
and
further
than
another
art
was
like:
let's
set
an
agenda,
so
we
know
exactly
what
articles
so
we'll
explain
to
the
team
for
you
to
go
over
30
articles,
not
knowing
which
one's
coming
up
the
next
meeting
is,
is
to
me
a
waste
of
time.
So
it.
G
So
that
we
know
we're
gonna
hit
and
this
touches
on
the
others,
the
other
article
right,
but
it
was
more
just
so
that
we
know
that,
what's
going
to
be
discussed,
how
we're
moving
forward
and
that
our
caucuses
will
be
used
on
that,
so
that
everyone
on
each
side
knows
okay,
we're
going
to
discuss
these
issues
and
if
the
time
allows
we
can
bring
up
other
issues
if
both
sides
agree
to
it,
but
it
was
just
more
for
a
smoother
flow.
Also
the
process
yeah.
There
was
nothing
other
than
that
and.
B
G
C
G
B
And
then,
on
that
same
note,
I
think
that
if
we
are
ready
to
discuss
an
article
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
precluded
from
bringing
up
other
articles
by
by
I
guess
an
agreement
by
the
chief
negotiators
that
say:
well.
The
agenda
only
had
six,
but
there's
a
seventh
one.
We
really
want
to
talk
about
I
think
what
the
chief
negotiators
can
and.
B
Before
we
get
to
that,
just
want
to
ask
my
team.
If
there's
anything,
if
that
proposed
change
is
agreeable,
I
think
so
all
right
letter
C
the
frequency,
the
time
and
the
number
of
meetings
shall
be
scheduled,
but
due
regard
for
the
impasse
deadline
imposed
by
174.152
of
the
Texas
government
code
or
as
otherwise
extended
by
written
agreement,
meeting
sessions
shall
be
held
at
a
minimum
of
once
every
two
weeks,
an
agenda
of
items,
slash
articles
to
be
discussed
shall
be
agreed
upon
for
the
subsequent
session
during
the
previously
held
sessions.
B
B
B
Letter
e
upon
the
agreement
of
both
Chief
negotiates
a
subcommittee
may
be
formed
to
gather
information
on
a
specific
article
to
maintain
the
efficiency
of
negotiations,
and
that
would
allow
us
to
have
a
subcommittee
on
article
29.,
okay,
number,
five
schedule,
a
presentation
proposals
that
are
eight.
The
initial
meeting
shall
be
the
following:
purpose:
set
the
initial
identity
of
each
bargaining,
team,
discussion,
adoption
of
ground
rules
and
general
discussions
of
the
schedule,
format,
structure
and
content
of
the
negotiations.
B
Section
6
news
release
and
printed
media
during
the
negotiations.
Neither
party
shall
unilaterally
issue
news
releases
or
hold
any
press
conferences
in
any
form
or
issue
any
other
printed
materials.
Regarding
the
events
during
negotiations
or
the
status
of
the
negotiations
now
I
know
that
certain
language
was
taken
out
of
the
first
round
rules
and
I
think
that
language
allowed
for
both
parties
to
mutually
agree
to
giving
a
statement
to
the
Press
right.
G
The
record
it
was
just
meetings
were
being
live,
streamed,
they're,
recorded
they're
online.
What
we
didn't
want
was
negotiations
to
become
a
basically
plow
by
public
opinion,
and
you
know
each
side
given
even
opinions
and
trying
to
position
the
other
side
into
certain
situation
or
certain
scenario.
G
G
If
the
media
is
going
to
cover
it,
there's
more
than
enough
information
on
the
record
and
on
live
stream
and
recordings
to
to
be
able
to
see
what
the
positions
are.
Okay,
I
mean.
If
we're
not,
you
know
stuck
in
our
position
and
that's
it
I
I
we
discussed
it.
We
there
would
be
no
need
our
our
position,
probably
to
the
meeting,
would
be
there's
no
comment.
We're
in
negotiation.
E
E
B
G
C
B
Course,
yeah
I
think
I
think
we're
okay
with
those
proposed
changes.
I
I
don't
want
this
negotiation
to
be
negotiated
in
the
court
of
public
opinion.
Right,
I
think
it's
best
if
we
just
keep
and
it's
actually
going
to
be
better,
it's
going
to
be
more
beneficial
for
negotiations
that
there's
no
outside
courses
coming
in
and
messing
with
the
negotiation
table,
so
I'm
gonna
complete
agreement
with
that.
B
Okay,
so
number
seven
contacts
during
negotiations,
the
parties
agree
that
all
negotiations
shall
be
conducted
exclusively
between
the
designated
bargaining
teams
at
the
bargaining
table
under
a
public
meeting.
Neither
party
shall
make
any
effort
to
bypass
such
designated
bargaining
teams
during
any
state
of
the
negotiations
which
began
February,
24th
2023.
I
know
that
there's
there
are
some
issues
with
that
particular
provision
from
the
Union
right
I'd
like
to
hear
what
those
well.
G
And
if
you
want
to
I
guess
the
issue
was
being
able
to
discuss
it
with
the
city
mentioned
with
with
Council
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
need
to
to
discuss
anything
with
council
at
this
point,
I
I
think
we
again
we
go
back
to
Spirit
174..
If
you
don't
have
the
decision
makers
at
the
table,
then
maybe
we
should
bring
the
decision
makers
in
that.
G
G
That
being
said,
the
issue
was
being
able
to
talk
to
them
deal
with
them.
We
understand
that
they
are
part
of
the
public
employees
right
on
the
chapter
74
they're,
defining
there
put
it
there
having
to
discuss
anything
anything
dealing
with
the
actual
bargaining
session,
we're
fine
with
not
discussing
it
with
Council.
B
Like
that,
and
and
that's
that's
not
the
intention-
that's
not
the
intention
at
all.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
that,
just
like
with
the
media
issue,
we're
trying
to
keep
things
here
at
the
table,
okay
and
we're
trying
to
I
mean
it's.
It
would
be
akin
to
me
going
to
one
of
your
members
and
trying
to
negotiate
this
with
your
firefighters
as
opposed
to
bargaining
with
you.
We
would.
We
would
never
do
that,
and
since
you
represent
them,
we
represent
Council.
B
It
would
be
the
same
thing
you
going
to
council
and
advocating
for
your
side,
but
we
understand
that
you
are
public
employees.
The
council
is
part
of
this
government
that
this
government
you
there
may
be
situations
where
you're
talking
with
them.
As
long
as
you
promise
not
to
talk
to
them
about.
What's
going
on
at
the
negotiation
table
right,
that's
not.
G
G
I'm
reading
on
letter
C:
well,
we
haven't,
we
haven't
gotten
there
yet,
but
okay
and
that's
and
because
it
kind
of
ties
you
into
it
under
the
context
or
negotiations.
But
then
that
being
said,
no
we're
not
trying
to
negotiate
with
with
Council
we're
not
trying
to
to
Lobby
Council.
It's
just
a
part
of
one.
The
negotiations
taking
place.
We
understand
their
public
employer,
they
are
our
employers
and
they
are
part
of
the
the
city's
team.
G
With
that
being
said,
though,
representing
Council,
there
are
issues
as
far
as
and
you
you
know
this
has
been
mentioned
from
the
city's
City
attorney's
office.
You
know
counselors
our
clients.
Well,
the
City
of
Laredo
is,
is
the
city
attorney's
office
Alliance,
not
just
Council
an
individual
councilman
stating
say
something
outrageous
just
to
make
the
point
I
want
to
do
away
with
financial
services.
I,
don't
think
they're
important
right.
G
Our
opinion
is
the
city's
attorney's
office
should
be
I,
don't
represent
you
on
something
like
that?
I
represent
the
city
and
what's
in
the
best
interest
for
the
city
and
with
in
that
in
mind,
we
have
no
issue
trying
to
Lobby
or
negotiate
with
Council
or
as
our
basically
not
the
word
here,
bypassing
the
team.
Just
with
that
and
understanding
right
that,
if,
if
an
individual
counselman's
position,
is
you
know
what
I
just
don't
like
you
and
I
want
to
do
this?
G
E
I'm
a
little
confused,
we
would
have
enabled
it
talk
to
the
council
members,
especially
the
new
ones,
an
executive
session.
We
would
have
provided
to
them
the
rules
of
engagement,
right,
meaning
we're
negotiations,
let's
go
ahead
and
both
understand
that
you
know
this
period.
While
it's
occurring
we're
negotiating
a
good
faith
that
was
not
able
to
happen.
We.
E
Ma'am,
in
addition
to
that,
so
we're
committing
Castle
to
Future
budget
years.
They
must
know
that
right,
because
any
decisions
that
are
made
here
at
the
table
ultimately
must
be
approved
by
them.
Whatever
we
do,
and
so
we
must
give
them
an
overview
of
what
our
budget
looks
like
and
what
direction.
Ultimately,
we
need
to
take.
You
said
something
like
well
the
the
decision
makers
at
the
table.
G
under
the
law
is
basically
that
the
bargain,
in
good
faith,
means
if
you
bring
the
decision
makers
to
the
table
so
that
we
can
make
decisions.
If
what
I'm
hearing
is
that?
Well
we're
not
going
to
make
any
decisions
and
then
what
would
you
be?
Taing
on
I
mean
I,
understand
the
budget
process
and
what
counselors,
looking
at
in
the
future
I
understand
that.
G
B
So
what
so,
I
guess
I
guess
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion
there,
and
hopefully,
whatever
I
say
I
can
I
can
clear
that
up.
You
are
dealing
with
people
at
this
table
who
can
make
decisions?
You
are
that's
why
we
not
only
have
our
director
of
budget,
our
Deputy
city
manager,
our
Deputy
city
manager
and
our
director
for
HR.
They
are.
We
are
the
decision
makers.
B
Precluded
from
going
back
to
our
clients
and
asking
for
guidance,
because
it
would
and
again
a
lot
of
things
that
you've
been
proposing
have
been
so
that
we
can
expedite
this
process
reach
an
agreement.
I
don't
think
we
can
reach
an
agreement
if
we
don't
have
the
proper
guidance
from
Council
and
remember
this
is
the
political
body.
We
have
five
new
members
with
five
different
opinions.
G
And
we
generally,
we
understand
that
and
I,
don't
think
anything
said
that
we
were
protruding
you
from
doing
that
and
we
understand
basically
who
each
party
is
or
what
I
started
with
what
I'm
getting
at.
Is
that
and
you
referenced
it
again
right
now,
I
need
to
go
back
to
my
client
council
is
not
your
client
right
to
me.
I
think
the
city
Laredo
is
your
client
under
the
spirit
of
what
this
is
and
what
your
office
represents.
What
management
represents?
G
What
I'm
saying
is
for
the
most
part.
Yes,
I
agree.
If
counsel
is
worried
about
budget
future
years,
the
benefit
of
the
city
the
what's
in
the
best
interest,
of
course.
What
I'm
saying,
though,
is
that
because,
when,
when
you
position
yourself
in
that
way-
and
they
are
my
account-
or
they
are
my
client-
that
councilman
is
my
plan-
I,
don't
think
that's
what
what
the
positioning
should
be,
depending
again
on
the
circumstances,
not
that
they
exist
or
not,
that
they
may
exist
I'm,
just
as
we're
discussing
it
right
now,
the.
E
H
E
Do
you
remember
what
the
steps
are?
It
must
be
posted
on
the
agenda.
We
don't
meet,
but
every
two
weeks,
what
if
we
do
historically
we've,
never
done
that
practice.
Wise
we've
gone
once
maybe
twice
we're
negotiations
per
in
the
very
beginning,
and
my
maybe
one
time
in
between
and
at
the
very
end
hey.
This
is
a
proposal.
That's
proven.
That's
all
we're
seeing
that's
going.
H
To
happen,
you
brought
the
previous
project
negotiation
with
contract
negotiations
anytime,
would
that
to
financial
issues
they
at
least
pause
and
installed
during
it,
and
we've
even
had
to
bring
in
city
managers
during
those
after
months
of
of
stalemating,
we
finally
had
to
bring
in
city
managers
to
finally
get
approvals,
and
that's
what
we're
saying
is,
if
you're
going
to
need
to
bring
in
the
city
manager
to
make
that
approval
of
having
here,
if
all
the
people
that
make
the
decision,
then
we're
here.
Let's
do
it.
H
G
G
G
B
B
G
That's
perfect,
okay,
that's
all
we
were
asked.
So
are
we
proposing
to
change
the
language
if
you
had
asked
what
what
what
language?
If
there
was
an
issue?
That's
why
I
mentioned
it?
But,
okay,
if
your
clarification
is
surprised
and
if
everyone's
understanding,
it's
being
recorded,
I,
think
if
okay
I
think
it's
clear
unless
we
want.
B
G
B
B,
this
section
is
effective,
beginning
February,
24th,
23
2023,
and
up
to
when
the
impasse
has
been
reached
and
defined
by
174.152
of
the
Texas
local
government
code
letter
C
upon
agreement
by
both
Chief
negotiators,
the
parties
May
address
concerns
issues
and
or
questions
raised
by
elected
City
officials
and
or
Association
members
in
a
subcommittee
prior
to
or
after
scheduled
negotiation
meetings.
The
subcommittee
in
this
section
will
include
one
lead
negotiator
from
each
part.
G
E
I
E
Outside
of
this
right,
outside
of
all
this
and
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
when
we're
negotiations
in
any
contract,
the
contractors
should
not
by
law
ethical
reach
out
to
council
members
right,
and
so,
if
we're
playing
finish
standards
about
we're
negotiating
something,
and
if
they
have
questions,
they
always
go
through
procurement
to
be
able
to
put
it
in
writing.
And
then
it's
actually.
Why
don't
we
do
that?
E
G
G
B
G
I
really
have
no
issue
with
that.
Now
would
that
to
me
the
exercise
is
expedient
insufficient
because
I
I
have
a
question.
You
give
me
your
stance,
you
give
me
your
stance
well
great
answer,
follow-up
questions.
This
is
that
you
give
me
your
stance,
point
we'll
take
it
and
in
that,
instead
of
basically
going
to
I
understand
what
what
this
guy
was
saying,
but
going
through
the
whole
process
of
putting
something
in
writing,
sending
it
to
them.
In
favor
of
the
questions,
it
seemed
like
a
delay.
E
G
G
J
E
B
B
E
G
B
D
F
G
B
To
boil
down
to
absolutely
no
I
I
completely
understand,
and,
and
again
our
concern
is
just
we
don't
want
this
decision
to
be
made
outside
of
this
negotiation
table
that
that's,
that's
our
only
concern
and
that's
not
to
say
it's
going
to
happen.
That's
just
we
want
to.
We
want
to
put
it.
This
writing
is
basically
giving
us
all
accountability.
That's
all
it
is,
and
it's
accountability,
because
we
are
making
a
good
faith
effort
to
collectively
bargain
in
good
faith
right
yeah.
So
that's
that's
exactly
why
we're
doing
this?
B
Okay,
we
will
make
those
changes
to
letter
C,
okay,
so
number
eight
contract
document,
we're
almost
done
guys
so
I'm.
Sorry,
we're
almost
done
so
number.
Eight
contract
document
may
I
continue
on
with
that.
Yes
letter
A,
the
contract
document
shall
be
created
and
maintained
in
Microsoft
Word
format.
During
the
negotiations
they
draft
the
document
shall
be
maintained
by
the
city
and
I
know
you
put
family
associations
to
Chief
negotiator
right.
Should
we
both
have
a
working
copy
all.
G
Right,
you
can,
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
you
could
put
a
PDF
say:
saving
a
PDF
on
a
on
a
Google,
a
USB
drive.
If
you
want
it's,
not
the
organ,
it's
more
of
a
taking
in
small
bits
at
a
time,
instead
of
at
the
end
of
the
contract,
having
to
review
everything
in
wording
that
day.
We
know
that
we
T8
on
this.
We
have
these
agreements
here.
It
is
you
you
can
save
it
on
a
PDF.
G
F
C
B
Absolutely
okay,
so
letter
B,
an
adequate
number
of
copies
of
all
proposals
shall
be
provided
to
all
the
members
of
the
rep
or
the
respective
opposing
bargaining
teams
for
use
of
the
negotiation
session
letter.
C
copies
of
the
draft
documents
shall
be
made
available
to
the
association's
chief
negotiator
and
or
the
association
president
upon
request
and
within
a
reasonable
time
for
use
at
the
negotiation
session.
B
Excuse
me
letter
D.
The
final
version
of
the
negotiated
contract
shall
be
maintained
by
the
Association
secretary,
as
well
as
the
City
Secretary,
on
behalf
of
the
City
of
Laredo
number
nine
open
meetings,
a
the
parties
agree
that
negotiation
sessions,
except
for
team
caucuses
and
any
mediated
sessions,
are
open
to
the
public
to
the
fullest
extent
provided
by
chapter
174
of
the
Texas
local
government.
Can
you
read
that
again
number
nine
open
meetings
yeah,
but.
B
F
B
C
C
B
G
B
We're
at
number
nine
letter
V
the
negotiation
sessions,
will
be
publicly
noticed
and
will
be
live
streamed
and
recorded
by
the
city.
As
a
public
meeting
under
chapter
174
and
the
Texas
open
meetings
act,
the
recordings
of
the
negotiation
sessions
will
be
publicly
available
and
Shall
Serve.
As
the
minutes
of
the
meeting.
B
B
Letter
B
each
party
reserves
its
statutory
and
other
legal
rights
with
respect
to
the
bargaining
process.
Unless
modifications
are
agreed
to
in
writing,
number
11
negotiating
time
for
bargaining
members,
the
duly
designated
members
of
the
association's
bargaining
team
shall
be
allowed
to
attend
bargaining
sessions
while
on
duty
subject
to
the
discretion
of
the
fire
chief
due
to
the
staffing
needs
of
the
department,
as
determined
by
the
fire
chief
and
the
collective
Department
agreement
deadline.
Guidelines
I
assume
the
last
part
of
a
is
to
make
sure
that
provisions
of
the
con.
B
Only
on
their
own
time,
no
special
prerogative
or
privilege
shall
be
exercised
to
accommodate
leave
requests
for
personal
for
personnel.
Forgive
me
for
personnel
who
are
not
named
members
of
the
bargaining
team,
unless
requested
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
guidelines
similar
language
for
a
similar
issue,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
so
yes,
some
some
shifts.
G
Have
less
members
like
a
c
chip?
We
only
have
one
so
an
example.
If
our
Treasurer
were
to
be
requested
for
associationing,
because
we
have
lunch
that
day,
we
didn't
get
caught
up
on
well.
That
night
he's
not
part
of
the
team.
It's
just
I
think
the
president
has
certain
rights
under
their
contract.
As
far
as
how
to
exercise
and
religious,
we
can
follow
it
to.
B
Any
objection
of
that
okay
and
then
12
miscellaneous
Provisions,
these
ground
rules
being
the
subject
of
mutual
agreement
between
the
parties,
may
be
modified
by
the
agreement
at
any
time
to
serve
the
interests
of
the
bargaining
process,
provided,
however,
that
any
modification
to
these
ground
rules
be
in
writing
and
signed
by
each
Chief
negotiator
letter
B.
These
ground
rules
are
to
be
self-enforced
as
procedural
rules
or
the
orderly
conduct
of
business.
The
parties
do
not
intend
for
these
years
to
be
binding
as
contractual
provisions.
D
B
B
Right,
we
are
back
from
caucus,
it
is
now
110,
1107,
A.M,
so
I
think
our
next
order
of
business
is
could
potentially
go
over
some
articles,
but
before
we
do
that,
it's
a
little
different
from
last
time.
Okay,
guys
so
just
bear
with
me
all
right,
I
think
in
an
effort,
so
we
can
collaborate
and
in
the
best
interest
of
coming
to
a
deal
I'm
going
to
give
you
all
some
homework
that
okay
give
you
all
some
homework.
Yes,
sir,
it's
not
going
to
be
500,
Words
essay
or
anything
like
that.
Some.
F
F
B
Top
10
goals
for
this
negotiation,
not
only
that
I
want
you
to
rank
them
number,
one
being
your
most
important
number,
10
being
your
least
important
and
we're
gonna
do
the
same
thing.
Whatever
I'd
ask
you
to
do.
I
wouldn't
have
us
do,
okay,
so
and
and
I
just
as
just
as
an
exercise
all
right.
We
have
this
exercise,
we
bring
it
to
the
next
collective
bargaining
session
and
I.
Think
I
think
we're
gonna
have
some
in
common
that
they're
going
to
be
ranked.
F
F
B
I
B
One
goal:
one
goal:
yes
and
that's
obviously
the
case
right,
but
what
are
the
goals
for
your
contract?
What
are
the
goals
for
the
negotiation?
Yeah,
I
I
think
those
are
things
that
are
important
to
do
and
so
that
we
can
collaborate.
I,
think
that's
I,
think
it's
a
good
exercise
and
look
if
it
doesn't
work,
it
doesn't
work,
but
at
least
we
track
something.
H
F
F
B
B
B
B
E
J
G
B
E
C
C
B
J
B
for
the
next
for
the
next
meeting
and
and
okay
and
I,
while
we're
on
this
subject,
I'd
also
like
to
mention
due
to
the
fact
that
we
weren't
due
to
time
constraints,
we
weren't,
allowed
to
get
any
guidance
from
this
new
Council.
We
don't
have
any
proposals
for
you
today.
I
want
to
put
that
out
there.
You
don't
have
any
proposals.
We
will
give
you
a
list
of
what
we
are
going
to
propose
for
the
next
meeting
as
per
the
ground
rule,
so
that
you
can
adequately
prepare
to
discuss
those
items.
G
B
B
B
37
grievance
procedure,
the
union
is
recommending
no
change
to
the
grievance
procedure
and
the
cities
in
an
agreement
to
leave
the
language,
as
is
so.
We
can
ta
37..
So
right
now,
out
of
one
two,
three
four:
five:
six:
seven,
eight
nine
articles
where
the
union
proposed,
where
the
the
union
proposed
no
change.
Today
we
are
TA
in
three
of
those
and
the
other
six.
We
will
have
proposals
for
you
at
the
next
meeting
or
in
some
future
date.
Okay,.
B
G
G
B
G
B
Them
out
so
I
guess
the
way.
If
and
if
you
have
a
different
way,
that's
more
expedient,
please
feel
free
I
feel
that
let
us
know
what
your
proposals
are.
Give
us
your
explanation
as
to
why
you
came
to
these
proposals
and
then
at
that
point
we
can
go
back.
Give
you
what
we
think
about
it
ask
questions,
and
then
we
can
have
an
opportunity
to
confer
as
a
team
to
see
if
we
will
ta
is
that
is
that
generally,
how
it
would
work
is.
G
Would
go?
That's
fine,
I've,
just
one
one.
How
many
do
you
want
to
print
out
if
you
want
to
print
out
the
ones
that
were
ready
to
TA
and
then
I'll
print
out
or
we'll
work
and
I'm
printing
out
those
that
were
going
to
purple?
It's
because
there's
one
two,
three
there's
seven
I,
don't
think
it's
called
seven
or
unless
you
want
us
to
just
give
you
the
copies
for
the
seven,
do
you
have
the
copies
for
the
seven?
No,
no
I
didn't
print
anything
out.
G
B
G
G
We
have
another
4.3
we're
adding
to
provide
services
in
the
regular
fire
department,
including,
but
not
limited
to
buyer
and
or
Emergency
Medical
Services
well
include
one
Association
representative
voice
to
the
city's
designated
negotiating
representative
Voice
issues
as
the
meaning
of
so
Voice
issues
to
the
cities
designated
negotiating
representative
in
an
advisory
capacity.
Only
during
the
negotiation
process,
because
I
think
this
was
proposed
as
just
clear
language
of
what
type
of
services
where
an
advisory
position
would
come
into
play.
E
G
E
B
G
G
A
requirements
there's
a
there's,
a
concern
so
under
the
duties
and
and
all
in
itself,
another
way
right
under
the
duties
of
modern
fighting
where,
if
we're
covered
or
not
as
far
as
workers,
come
so
like
that.
Well,
this
adds
an
extra
layer
to
it.
As
far
as
that
question
hasn't
been
sufficiently
discussed
and
addressed.
So
here
we
would
be
farming
out
those
services
or
we're
still
trying
to
clear
whether
those
Services
should
be
done
by
the
fire
department
to
begin
with
right.
G
So
this
would
include
anything
blinking
in
there
an
example
is
giving
out
water.
They
they're
sent
out
to
give
out
water
right
up
on
the
center
to
give
a
water
tube.
What
are
the
Colonials,
because
the
city
wants
to
help
out
so
under
those
any
contract,
it's
you
would
have
an
advisor.
Any
country
is
going
to
be
made
or
discuss.
G
An
advisor
will
be
there
to
discuss
or
just
a
given
right
point
of
it
does
it
mean
anything
and
I
think
it
doesn't
mean
anything
on
any
other
contract
that
doesn't
apply
to
the
over
the
particle.
If
it's
Public
Works
is
contracted
out
to
do
something,
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
Liberty
Fire
Department.
It's
no
issue.
It's
when
the
Loretta
fire
department,
news,
Personnel,
will
be
used.
An
example
is
a
signing
a
contract
to
provide
what
is
it
of
Van
County
Services
with
one
of
those
10
cities
right.
G
G
G
D
G
G
Let's
say,
example,
and
there
was
one
the
other
thing
would
be
anything
else
in
the
future
right,
so
some
some
other
service
that
the
department
takes
on
Personnel
will
be
taken
care
of
what
the
associated
in
asking
is
to
have
someone
at
the
table,
just
as
an
advisor
capacity.
There's
no
no
word
says
that
that
representative
has
a
right
to
make
a
decision
just
as
an
advice.
B
C
G
B
G
Is
it
complying
with
containers
or
agreement
right
well,
I
mean
and
that's
all
it
is
and
and
I
know
is
from
the
last
meeting
you
had
stayed
at
the
I.
Do
remember
one
of
those
meetings.
You
had
stated
that
you
were
going
okay
with
the
fire
tube.
You
guys
had
agreed
to
formulate
intergovernmental
agreements
so
that
that
is
addressed.
I
guess,
my
question
would
be:
were
those
intergovernmental
agreements
I.
G
G
In
the
past,
it
was
because
I
think
4.4
Texas
around
4.3,
so
in
those
intergovernmental
agreements,
what
was
stated
and
I
think
it
was
Joaquin
stated
that
he
had
spoken
with
the
chief
and
one
of
the
attempts
again
came
back
and
that
those
intergovernmental
agreements
would
be
made
so
that
we
comply
and
everything
would
be
taken
care
of
all
they
should
be
taken.
Care
of
my
question
was
as
an
example.
Okay,
do
we
have
those
already
like?
Did
the
intergovernment
put
agreement
with
uasu?
Has
it
been
done
with
border
patrol.
E
I
G
Of
course,
right,
the
City
of
Laredo
shall
comply
with
the
Texas
government
code
pursuant
to
intergovernmental
relations.
The
moment
you're
going
to
sit
down
to
enter
into
that
moment.
You
would
have
an
association
rep
just
to
make
sure
hey.
Remember
this
family
here
is
this
taking
care
of,
and
yes
it
is,
there
is
okay,
fine
can
I
get
a
copy?
Yes
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much.
It
would
be
it
it's
nothing
to
to
add
or
or
or
any.
G
G
Study
only
it's
not
to
a
great
only
term
not
to
sign
off
on
any
contracts.
It's
just
if
an
intergovernmental
agreement
is
going
to
be
entered
into.
An
association
representative
can
be
in
the
meeting
and
make
sure
that
any
any
issues
and
concerns
are
addressed,
so
they
will
address
them
with
the
city's
team,
the
the
state
or
representative,
whoever
is
handling
the
those
negotiations
or
those
meetings
and
just
in
case
anything
is.
E
G
E
B
Here
it
says
where
the
city
elects
to
enter
intergovernmental
contract,
with
the
count
with
the
county
of
web
or
any
government
entity
or
political
subdivision.
It
will
include,
run
Association
representative
there.
It
makes
it
seem
that
anytime
we
enter
into
any
intergovernmental
contract
for
any
purpose
right.
Even
if
it's
not
fire,
this
would
sort
of
apply
right.
B
G
Included
but
not
limited
to
fire
in
or
emergency
medical
service
is
just
in
case.
One
of
the
services
that
doesn't
fall
under
the
umbrella
of
fire
or
EMS
would
be
triggered,
say,
arson
right
or
if
a
Hazmat,
so
that's
going
to
be
pretty
if
it
doesn't
meet
the
actual
definition
of
fire
or
EMS.
If
it's
a
service,
the
Florida
Department
is
providing
and
we're
narrowing
it.
G
B
Is
that
you
all
provide,
because,
let's
be
there,
you
all
do
more
than
fire
and
EMS
so
like,
for
instance,
to
your
to
your
point,
Mr
Mr,
Delgado,
giving
out
water
I
mean
some
would
argue
that
when
there's
a
a
situation
where
there's
an
emergency,
people
are
in
need
of
water.
That's
an
emergency
situation.
I!
Don't
see
why
the
fire
department
would
be
precluded
from.
B
G
They're,
not
okay.
This
is
if
an
intergovernmental
contract
is
going
to
be
entered
into.
If
something
and
we
go
back,
if
something
triggers
and
a
response
has
to
be
made,
the
response
will
be
made
and
there's
other
articles
that
address.
If
that
response
doesn't
fall
into
the
duties.
Are
we
doing
this?
Are
we
doing
that?
This
is
only
if,
in
anticipation
of
you
know
what
City
X
outside
of
the
city
limits
might
want
our
services,
if
there's
a
tornado,
okay,
we're
going
to
answer
into
our
contract
intergovernmental
contract
with
them.
G
At
that
time,
you
sit
down
to
discuss.
What's
going
to
be
on
the
on
those
terms,
an
association
representative
will
be
there
just
for
input
purposes.
Only
if
there
is
no
intergovernmental
contract
being
proposed
or
discussed,
then
there
would
be
no
rep
at
the
table
to
discuss
anything
if
it's
a
trigger
that
needs
to
happen.
The
neutral
City
agreement
right
here
we
have
an
agreement,
it's
already
in
writing.
So
that's
not
going
to
trigger
anyone
for
the
advisory
rule
as
you're
going
to
enter
into
that
agreement
say
it
took
place
20
years
ago.
E
F
C
F
H
F
G
J
G
See
so
in
that
case
it's
a
intergovernmental
contract
and
say
in
that
case
it
would
be
all
right,
they're
going
to
travel
to
Beijing
right
all
right.
You
know
this.
We
know
these
are
the
reforms
need
to
be
covered
in
an
advisor,
and
if
the
city
already
took
care
of
it,
then
that
role
would
basically
would
have
no
input,
because
it's
saying
error
in
a
case
something
was
missed.
It
would
be
like
hey
make
sure
this
and
I'm
sure
the
city
is
legal
team.
Would
like
oh
yeah,
you're
right.
G
B
B
G
That'll
work
I
mean
so
the
thing
here
is
that
when
we
looked
at
it
again,
we're
like
okay,
well,
we'll
ask
if
those
agreements
were
made,
because
if
that's
the
case
then
you're
seeing
the
exercise
work
right
now,
if
they
weren't,
because
I
do
remember,
I
think
I
was
here
for
that
little
piece
of
the
meeting,
then
we
should
have
right.
We
should
have
entered
into
those
agreements,
especially
about
the
table.
The
parts
and
City
attorneys.
E
G
No,
that's
for
a
nosebleed,
a
headache,
any
anyone
at
UAC,
that's
it's
foreign,
so
all
that
would
say
was
who
has
a
liability
or
recovered
in.
Let
me
study
intervention,
that's
in
the
tml
contract
great,
but
should
have
an
agreement
with
uaz
that
we
will
be
responding
right,
whether
you
want
to
build
or
not
build.
That's.
G
G
E
G
E
G
E
G
That's
uasd
now
so
and
I'll
give
you
a
perfect
example:
I
was
working
for
Randall,
actually
doing
a
Payback.
We
get
called
out
because
they
thought
it
was
a
dpsat
and
they
live.
Now
we
were
going
to
a
grass
fire
on
the
13
Mile
Marker.
The
call
comes
in
a
DPS
agent.
Has
a
heart
attack
like
at
the
60
mile
an
hour.
G
E
G
Individual's
name
in
the
median
like
we're
going
make
sure
you
park
on
the
city
side,
though
right
right,
so
we're
trying
to
cover
this
as
much
as
we
can
in
the
immediate
response,
but
we
do
know
it
might
get
it
might
get
tricky
here.
We
still
go.
The
web
counties
EMS
shows
up
before
Ariana
shows
up,
you
know,
making
the
decision.
Are
you
taking
them?
Yes,
using
Cardiac
Arrest?
Let's
go
I
get
my
my
Personnel
on
on
the
ambulance
on
the
what
county
is
right
and
they
try.
G
We
would
host
now
the
private
insurance
if
we
had
a
wreck
if
something
or
I'll
roll
over.
If
something
would
have
happened.
Well,
there's
there's
enough
litigation
going
on
that.
We
know
that
the
tml
side
or
workers
comp
side
would
try
to
it's.
Having
a
mission.
I
think
is
the
case
still
going
on.
Even
the
city
has
has
voiced
and
written
a
letter.
We
want
to
cover
this
individual
they're
still
saying.
No.
G
All
we're
trying
to
do
is
basically
make
sure
the
firefighter
when
he's
rolling
out
is
covered
one
two
one
brought
a
good
point:
the
supervisor
ordered
I've
I've
in
the
past,
filed
multiple
grievances
on
all.
This
Grievous
is
asking
us
for
us
to
come
up
with
the
literature
so
that
the
supervisor
knows
the
orders
I'm
giving
are
lawful
just
as
a
tool,
so
that
I
can,
as
a
supervisor,
educate
myself
further
to
make
sure
that
the
order
I'm
giving
is
lawful,
I
can
check
it
off.
G
I
can
make
sure
any
question
we
can
cite
to
something
and
say
this
is
what
we've
followed
if
anything
is
actually
to
protect
the
city
and
the
part
of
government
from
liability
in
these
scenarios.
All
we
want
to
to
happen
is
that
when
I
remember,
remember
the
buffer
right,
the
grievance
for
the
buffer,
it
wasn't
about
the
buffer
right,
it
was.
G
We
know,
there's
a
safer
way
of
doing
this,
we're
not
doing
it
we're
giving
the
order
all
we
want
is
what's
going
to
be
covered
so
that
I
know
how
to
proceed
in
the
future
as
a
supermarket.
It's
a
college
to
build
out
a
training
tool
right.
How
can
we
recommend
to
our
department
or
to
our
supervisors?
This
is
how
you
should
proceed
on
musicians
right
now,
I
think
we're
discussing
it
during
this
morning
on
some
of
these
issues.
G
G
B
Following
this,
maybe
we
should
follow
and
if
it's
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
and
again
I
mean
4.4,
it
really
doesn't
do
anything
for
the
article
I
mean
I
mean
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
like.
Let's,
let's
take
a
surface
Edge
right
like
if
it
doesn't
have
any
sort
of
effect
on
any
rights
or
responsibilities,
then
why
put
then?
Why
put
it
in
so.
G
E
I
G
G
G
I
was
like
so
that
I
can
get
the
recordings
later,
like
in
case
something
happens.
Who
gave
me
the
order?
Oh,
let
me
put
him
in
that
position.
Do
you
want
me
to
get
into
the
position
this
is?
This
was
back
in
the
day
right,
I
use
it
as
an
example,
because
in
the
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
have
a
lot
of
promotions,
we
have
a
lot
of
people
moving
up.
So
the
question
comes
up.
G
What
do
I
do
in
this
scenario,
and
so
as
we're
trying
to
build
this
highly
educated
and
trained
Department
is
as
a
experienced
officer
with
so
many
years
as
a
Frontline
officer
is
I
can't
answer
that,
because
that
question
has
never
been
answered
for
us
and
that's
where
the
association
is
saying.
Maybe
we
should
address
that
an
answer
right.
It's
not
asking
for
this
it'll
be
the
city
to
get
into
any
reliability,
not
asking
for
a
union
representative
to
have
an
ability
to
stop
a
contract
or
force
a
contract.
It's
just
hey.
G
Do
we
have
this
because
we've
been
asking
about
this
and
we
still
don't
have
an
answer
and
we
think
we
should,
as
far
as
so
that
our
officers
can
give
lawful
orders
or
that
we
can
follow
or
know
what
not
to
do
right.
I
think
you
brought
up
an
example
Randall
as
far
as
that,
the
fire,
the
firefighter
that
got
demoted,
because
he.
H
H
H
The
officer
that
gave
the
order
nothing
happened.
It
was
if
everything
was
safe.
Everything
happened,
got
demoted
for
it
and
why
did
he
get
devoted?
Well
because
their
policy
said
you
don't
use
emergent
vehicles
to
transport
people,
so
we
we
run
into
a
lot
of
situations
here
where
we
don't
have
policies
going
into
the
county
happens
all
the
time
we
have
an
intergovernmental
agreement
right,
mutually
agreement
to
the
county.
Last
time,
I
saw
that
Mutual
Aid
agreement.
There
is
a
mechanism
for
it
to
be
activated.
You
know
the
county.
H
G
G
Are
we
good
because
the
wording
been
taken
care
of,
and
this
is
the
role
of
the
association
right
I'm
a
firefighter
at
my
station
and
thinking
the
organization
is
making
sure
this
is
the
compliant
with
right,
they're
the
person
I
want
to
go
to
or
if
I
had
agreements
to
file
they
check
into
it
and
I
think
this
is
the
exercise
of
pain.
All
we're
asking
for
is
to
make
sure
this
is
really
being
followed.
I,
don't
think
it
adds
any
monetary
or
constraints
in
the
city's
ability
to
to
enter
into
any
contract
with
anyone.
G
All
that
is
is
an
advisory
role.
A
4.4
all
is
it's
like
hey.
Are
we
going
to
follow
these
requirements
or
not
so
you're
saying
well?
Why
would
we
do
something
if
we
already
have
to
follow
the
law
and
that's
why
I
will
explain
to
us
the
procedure
then
do
we
have
to
enter
into
a
intergovernmental
agreement
with
USD
if
we're
responding
outside
the
surveillance,
I
would
have.
B
G
All
we're
saying
is:
if
we
do
have
to
then:
let's
do
it
right?
Okay,
so
so
this
mechanism
would
be
4.4.
Hey
Chiefs
Joaquin
told
us
that
we
have
to
do.
We
have
the
agreement
already
and
in
the
interim-
and
this
is
the
bigger
question
in
the
interim:
do
we
stop
Services
until
the
agreement
is
entered
so
interlocal,
so
the
interlocal.
B
To
government
so
I
guess
the
legal
question
is
yes:
can
the
governments
enter
into
agreements
with
one
another?
The
answer
is
yes,
yes,
but
these
interlocal
government
and
there's
certain
and
the
the
statute
also
provides
for
all
the
things
that
are
necessary
that
need
to
be
put
in
by
Statute
in
these
agreements
right,
but
that's
if
they
wish
to
correct
okay
if
they
wish
to
now.
If
you
are
getting
from
the
deputy
city
manager
in
HR
that
if
we
get
a
directive
to
go
outside
and
that
you
are
covered,
there
is
no
need
for
that.
G
B
There
right
well
I
guess
what
we
can
do
is
obviously
you're.
Looking
for
information
right
right,
you're
looking
for
information,
so
I
think
that
it's
possible
for
us
to
get
with
our
HR
director
send
something
to
tml.
And
if
you
have
these
questions,
we
can
get
them
answered
from
tml
right,
and
so,
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
lawful
directive
from
a
supervisor
in
the
fire
department,
they
respond
outside
of
City
Limits
and
they
are
performing
duties
that
are
within
their
job
description.
E
G
If
it
needs
to
be
done,
we'll
do
it
now.
As
far
as
in
the
what
you
mentioned,
the
lawful
order
I
had
followed
his
viewers
in
the
past
and
what
it
was
is
asking
just
for
that,
except
with
a
little
bit
extra.
What
will
EML
consider
in
awful
order
yeah
what
check
do
I
have
to
go
through
as
an
officer
to
say
one,
two,
three
and
four
are
done
in
order
and
you
go
no
absolutely
and
that's
it
and
that's
all
that
grievance.
That's
all
the
the
result
was.
J
J
G
It
is
is,
if
we're
doing,
if
we're
in
Collective
bargain
we're
in
sessions,
then
this
issue
should
come
to
the
table.
Of
course,
now
it
doesn't
have,
it
doesn't
mean
that
wording
would
be
into
the
contrary.
It
doesn't
mean
that
an
article
would
be
addressed,
but
the
issue
would
be
resolved
right
and
that's.
The
idea
is:
there's
a
proposal
or
a.
B
At
this
point,
yeah
and
that's
the
thing
like
I-
think
if
it's
emergency
assistance,
but
even
if
the
even
if
the
statute
says
that,
if
you're
rendering
emergency
assistance,
you
don't
have
to
enter
into
an
interlocal
agreement,
right,
I,
think
I.
Think
the
the
the
issue
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
please
is
that
you
want
to
know
the
extent
of
your
coverage
of
liability.
If
something
happens
to
you,
okay,.
G
And
and
again
it's
not
saying
that
it's
not
being
done
or
you're
in
violation
all
it
is,
is
again
we'll
go
back
to
in
the
spirit
of
all
this.
If
an
issue,
we
know
there's
an
issue
there,
then
this
is
actually
the
the
proper
venue
to
bring
it
up
and
say,
of
course,
here's
the
issue.
Some
of
it
might
not
make
language
into
the
contract
and-
and
that's
fine,
if
that's
what
everyone
agrees
on
you
and
but
if
the
issue
is
handled
and
we
have
it
okay,
then
now
we
understand
right.
B
B
F
G
In
article
four
we
went
back
and
some
of
the
points
you
made
we're
going
to
go
in
and
I
guess
for
the
next
meeting,
we'll
make
tweaks
to
4.3
or
we're
gonna,
remove
or
work
on
4.4
and
add
some
language
to
it.
That's
one
of
the
points
that
you
all
made
understood
and
I
know
some
other
points
that
I
guess
as
we've
discussed
it.
Maybe
we
weren't
clear
on
some
of
it,
so
we'll
go
back
and
work
okay
and
do
those
things
yeah.
All.
G
B
H
Hr
and
everything
we
had
this
discussion
about
what
a
law
award
was
and
whether
you'd
be
covered
and
some
of
the
things
that
we
do
on
a
daily
basis.
They
told
us
it
was
not
going
to
be
covered.
Those
were
not
due
to
Super
firefighters.
Like
you
know,
we
do
these
on
a
daily
basis
and
they're
all
their
orders
given
by
the
officers
to
go.
Do
something.
B
Okay
and
so
and
I
think
well,
tml
is
the
one
that
ensures
the
the
city.
So
getting
information
or
a
legal
opinion
from
their
legal
team
or
from
their
directors
is
going
to
be
controlling
and
you
know
I
guess
we
can
just
wait
to
see
what
their
opinions
are
before
we
start
making
inner
tweaks
and
whatever.
G
J
B
G
F
E
G
G
J
G
One
again
when
we
spoke
about
it
at
the
team
meetings,
it
was
where
do
we
address
someone
like?
Well,
that's
what
I
guess
yeah
they
should
be
addressed,
but
most
of
them
is
adding
referencing
other
parts
of
it
right
so
letter
A,
and
so
we
understand,
6.1
except
otherwise,
specifically
providing
the
agreement.
The
association
recognizes
that
the
city
has
a
sole
and
exclusive
right
to
excite
All
rights
or
function
Divas.
G
The
perfect
example,
quick
example,
is
overtime,
work,
that's
also
in
article
17,
where
it
states,
the
union
president
and
the
fire
chief
will
agree
on
the
overtime
policy,
unread
alone
6.28.
It's
seeing
that
the
partnership
alone
would
address
the
overtime
policy
right.
So
that's
that's.
Why
why
we
wanted
to
reference
the
other
parts
of
the
contract,
not
adding
other
language
other
than
personal
into
these
articles
right.
G
B
Areas
would
if,
if
I
may
I
think
that
this
listing
actually
hinders
your
ability
to
grief,
if
you're
asking
me
and
I'm
not
trying
to
advocate
for
your
position
or
anything,
but
when
you
put
words
in
here
this
is
it
and
remember
it
doesn't
say
you
know,
but
not
including
it's
basically,
a
reasonable
person
can
read
this
and
say:
oh
well.
If
only
these
are
it's
only
these
articles.
G
G
In
these
areas,
we
wanted
to
record
because
these
were
kind
of
more
specific
to
regular
work,
overtime,
work
right.
The
other
ones
is
more
broadening
as
like,
which
is
like
the
the
right
to
manage
the
Affairs
of
the
fire
department
in
all
respects.
Right
so
like
well,
not
at
all,
because
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
but
in
these
other
ones,
just
kind
of
well
to
specifically
reference.
G
B
B
G
It's
it's
we're
not
amendable
to
or
to
amend
it
to
say
you
know,
pursuant
to
the
collective
are
in
agreement,
what
what
we
are.
Some
of
these
issues
occurred.
I
guess
what
was
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
told
to
the
association
president
or
the
board
was
Alexander
management
rights
like
well.
If
you
read
it,
Standalone,
yes,
but
in
a
perfect
example
to
point
out
is
the
overtime
right
because
that
doesn't
even
specifically
represent
in
the
contract.
C
G
Like
indeed,
this
is
the
perfect
example
of
what
what
the
the
right,
the
intensity,
yeah
the
incentive,
what
we're
doing
here
or
working
on
is
on
the
right
side
management.
You
see
that
the
the
maintaining
the
official
government's
operation
determining
party
foreign
policy,
including
the
right
to
manage
the
Affairs
by
the
fire
department
in
all
respects,
Lee
alone,
would
say.
Yeah
the
rest
of
the
country
doesn't.
G
B
I
mean
so,
let's
just
say,
the
fire
chief
creates
a
policy,
and
it
violates
one
of
your
one
of
your
contractual
rights
under
this
agreement
correct.
What
is
your,
what
is
your
remedy
agree
with,
okay
and
if
he
were
to
still
violated
with
this
language?
What's
your
remedy
agree
with
my
point
exactly?
How
does
this
change
the
position
that
you're
in
right
now.
G
G
Know
that
well
no,
we
have
these
other
rights
and
you
would
follow
the
grievance,
but
as
we're
looking
at
it
or
maybe
some
of
these
things
that
are
and
then
I
wasn't
privy
to
maybe
some
of
the
issues
that
are
currently
but
you
know
the
union
board
is
like
yeah.
We
have
this
issue,
because
is
it
management,
rights
or
not?
Well,
it
is
their
rights
pursuant
to
be
governed
in
this
manner.
I
think.
H
C
H
That's
what
you're
going
to
end
up
you're,
going
to
have
you're
going
to
have
conflicts
in
the
contract
that
a
arbitrator
is
going
to
have
to
decide
well,
which
one
holds
more
weight,
which
one
came
first,
which
one
was
negotiated
later
or
we
can
just
address
it
now
and
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
article
was
related
negotiated
at
a
later
time.
So
it
should
supersede.
He
has
not
all
authority
in
all
aspects.
J
H
One
time
the
departure
I'm
sorry
at
one
time,
the
fire
chief
had
the
sole
responsible
authority
to
to
do
the
overtime
policy.
However,
you
want
it
that
we
negotiated,
so
when
we
negotiated
a
mutual
agreement,
well
that
that
negotiation
came
after
this
was
put
in
that
one
should
supersede
it,
because
it
was
agreed
upon
at
a
later
date
that
became
the
new
standard.
What.
E
B
At
that
time,
the
management
rights
would
Trump,
because
there
is
no
protection
for
you,
there's
no
contractual
protection
right,
but
now
that
there's
a
new
contract
that
new
provision
automatically
would
not,
even
with
that
language
in
there
would
not
allow
the
team
to
to
pursue
an
overtime
policy
without
consulting
with
the
Union
president.
So
because
of
this
additional
language,
it
completely
changes
the
mean
of
that
provision
automatically.
That
would
be
my
argument.
B
Well
and
I,
I
I
I
hear
you,
but
if
I
am
and
I'm
just
gonna
put
on
the
head
of
an
arbitrator
but
the
first
thing
that
I
read
in
article
6,
except
as
otherwise
specifically
provided
in
this
agreement,
that
is
a
catch-all
policy.
So,
no
matter
what
it
is
a
through.
That's
a
lot
of
a
through
q,
a
through
q
a
through
Q
as
long
as
it
doesn't
touch.
What
is
specifically
provided
in
this
agreement.
B
G
J
G
Says
they
did
part
of
our
employees
that
he
has
a
right
to
direct
overturn?
Well
then,
why
would
you
leave
it
in
if
you
addressed
it
already
right
so
I
agree,
I
would
say
no
that
article
is
controlling
right.
It
says
it
there,
but
then
it
comes
up
again
where
it's
still
giving
them
the
perception
of
oh
well,
you
might
be
able
to
to
tweak
or
amend
it
or
look.
B
G
B
F
J
G
Only
departure
it's
the
city,
it's
or
whatever,
and
management
rights
or
the
city
has
contracted
away
some
of
the
rights
that
are
Spilled,
Out,
Here,
Right
or
contracted
amendments
to
it
and
that's
we
were
just
going
through
it
as
some
of
the
issues
that
the
board
brought
up
to
go
over
and
say:
okay.
Well,
then,
maybe
we
can
address
it
here
that
would
maybe
clear
it
up
or
remove
all
confusion,
or
if
there
was
anything
right
or
the
perception
of
it
and
that's
why
we
were
bringing
it
up
to
where
that.
J
G
B
And
and
all
the
value
well
the
thing-
and
here
and
here
it
is
the
way
this
is
written.
If
we
were
to
take
out
a
through
q
q,
then
there's
a
possibility.
The
chief
can
make
policies
that
go
beyond
A
and
Q
as
long
as
he's
not
affecting
your
contractual
rights,
then
in
essence
that
would
give
your
Chief
more
power.
I'm.
G
G
And
because
and
what
we
we're
looking
at
in
some
of
the
sections
and
I'll
give
you
an
example:
what
is
a
C,
so
spending
or
discharging
employees
for
Just
Cause,
subject
to
chapter
143?
Are
the
Texas
double
government
Court,
that's
misleading,
because
there
are
articles
that
we
waved
our
answer
to
chapter
143,
right,
dnr's
and
some
other
specifics
and
dnrs
is
the
main
one
where
well.
We
laid
our
right
to
143,
but
here
it
says
well,
no
suspending
and
discharging
is
143.
and.
D
G
G
Just
list
them
to
see
how
many
are
actually
is:
that's
why
and
we
have
no
issue
going
to
pursuant
to
the
collective
bargaining
agreement.
What
we're
trying
to
reference,
though,
is
that
and
that
c
is
again
another
example
or
a
perfect
example.
Suspending
an
employee
is
not
just
solely
chapter
143.
There
are
other
articles
that
touch
on
it
or
we
waved
our
eggs
right
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
all
right
to
clarify
that,
as
you
read
that
it's
not
only
143.
G
that
that's
all
if
the
city
doesn't
want
to
add
article,
your
17th
article,
article
17,
we've
already
T8
on
it's
not
going
to
change
it.
This
will
reference
article
17.,
whether
an
amendment
or
a
proposal
is
agreed
on
or
a
pains
10
times
and
then
T8
on
an
approved.
It
will
still
reference
the
artist
I.
F
B
F
B
And
that
is
a
possibility
and
I'm
going
to
suggest
something:
I'm,
not
saying
that
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
TA,
but
you
could
put
something
at
the
end
that
sort
of
reads
nothing
in
this
article.
Nothing
in
this
article
is
should
be
perceived
as
limiting
the
rights
under
this
collected,
bargaining
agreement
right
and,
and
then
just
just
so
just
so
we're
clear,
I,
don't
think
it's
necessary.
Okay,
because
I
think
that
the
first,
the
first
X
episode
we
provide
the
first
article,
addresses
your
concerns.
J
B
G
G
I,
don't
know
what
ended
up
happening
with
it
and
there
was
policy
being
written.
There
was
contradictory
to
some
of
the
things
that
were
already
done,
but
it
should
have
been
bargained
at
the
table
right.
So
when
those
issues
we
got
together
and
met
okay.
Well,
what's
the
issue
with
this?
Well?
Okay?
Well,
maybe
we
should
represent.
You
take
care
of
it
here.
G
So
that
way,
the
city
or
the
fire
chief
reads
this
article
and
says:
okay
yeah:
no,
then
we
want
to
amend
it
and
we
go
to
the
collective
bargaining
table
right
where
it
should
be
addressed
if
we're
bargaining
in
good
faith,
so
we're
not
trying
to
change
anything
now.
The
other
articles
of
the
city
is
an
agreement
or
proposes
something
and
learn
agreement.
G
Then
yeah
adult
kind
of
amend,
kind
of
what
the
management
or
Rights
Management
are,
but
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
nothing
has
changed,
that
article
is
still
going
to
stay
there
and
unless
it's
completely
removed
from
the
CBA
saying
that
we'll
follow
it,
doesn't
do
anything
to
the
management
rights
as
far
as
the
way
it's
worded,
it's
not
adding
or
taking
away
or
trying
to
limit
it's
just
trying
to
a
on
this
issue.
Just
you
know
be
weary
that
this
article
specifically
referenced.
B
It
and
there,
and
and
on
the
flip
side
of
that
and
I,
don't
mean
to
bring
up
another
article
and
we
will
have
a
proposal
on
it,
but
maintenance
of
Standards
32
I
mean
we.
We
did
propose
in
the
last
bargaining
session.
This
shall
not
be
I,
guess
construed
as
limiting
the
rights
of
management
under
article
6,
and
that
was
you
know
that
that
was
not
approved
by
the
union.
So
I
think
that
we're
in
a
similar
boat,
I'm
analogizing
it
to
that
because
we're
in
a
similar
boat.
B
B
B
G
C
H
G
Agreement
overrides
that
so
we're
just
trying
to
clean
up,
but
like
know
if
it's
mentioned
here
it
had
been
agreed
upon,
then
it
does.
You
know:
chapter
174
clearly
tells
you
it
will
override
local
order
and
it's
a
roll
override,
even
though
local
Civil
Service
rules,
if
referenced
right
and
addressed.
So
that's
why
we're
like?
Okay,
how
do
we
clean
some
of
this
language
up?
Try
to
maybe
pair
up
some
of
this
and
with
that
being
said,
Miss
Daniel
said:
okay.
Well,
there's
other
articles
all
right.
G
We
can
put
pursuance
connect
to
borrowing
agreement,
but
those
other
articles
when
it
comes
to
promoting.
If
there's
another
process
that
we
think
would
work
better
in
the
city
and
the
association
degree,
then
it
would
override
that
and
it
would
force
our
local
civil
service
to
acknowledge.
Yes,
your
way
of
doing
it
has
been
overwritten
by
the
collective
bargain
agreement
as
per
jumped
over
to
74
right
or
am
I.
G
There's
issue
that
back
when
I
would
look
at
it,
I,
don't
know
you
got
the
negative
anymore
to
address
it.
He
asked
for
specifics
for
anything
else.
To
do
so.
I
mentioned
that
we
know
something
that
has
come
up
often
was
where
says
I
would
mentioned.
No,
we
can
have
these
questions
because
local
Civil,
Service
rules
or
Civil
Service
rules
say
so
like
well,
wait
a
minute.
No
chapter
174
clearly
states
that
if
the
collective
borrowing
agreement
has
pretty
much
preempted
that
section
of
your
rules,
then
that's
it.
This
is
the
way
you
follow
it.
G
So
as
far
as
the
the
actual
promoting
procedure
or
what
what
has
been
changed
or
what
has
been
you
would
maybe
one
of
the
local
I'm.
Sorry
the
locals
executive
board.
Members
can
address
that.
But
it's
just
that
when
you
mention
specifics,
I,
remember
that
as
being
an
issue
over
well,
we
were,
we
were
told:
no,
that's
not
how
we're
going
to
follow
it,
because
our
our
local.
B
F
B
G
Again,
we
don't
feel
these
are
changes.
We
feel
they're
just
saying
they're
clearing
up
well,
no,
when
it
comes
to
overtime,
you
don't
have
the
absolute
right,
there's
certain
article
already
and
again,
whether
that
article
is
amended
or
not
heard
stayed
the
same.
The
example
is
article
17.,
it's
been
already
T8,
so
here
no,
you
don't
have
the
attitude
right.
You
do
have
to
look
at
article
17
right
there,
so
we
were
just
pointing
to
that
one.
Okay,
look
under
this,
this
Clause
letter
A,
you
have
to
look
at
parts
of
the
contract.
D
B
G
I'm
saying
and
just
to
avoid
it
right
so
example,
and
a
14-day
written
notice
shall
be
given
with
reasoning
right
I
think
the
association
was
contacted
by
a
couple
of
individuals
like
hey
I,
didn't
know
until
this
happened.
Where
I
have
my
child
they're
moving
me
over
here,
we
I
had
an
understanding
with
the
chief
or
the
administration.
This
just
happened,
there's
issues
on
child
care
and
we
brought
it
up
in
the
past,
but
in
2014
we
brought
this
up
and.
C
G
C
B
B
B
Medication
and
the
wire,
but
now
you're
imposing
and
now
the
way,
you're
busy
it's
imposing
a
duty
when
this
article
is
supposed
to
be
his
management
right
now
again
with
the
art
with
the
overtime
right,
an
article
was
written
to
address
the
overtime
it
wasn't
placed
in
here
in
management
rights,
so
I
I.
Don't
think
that
this
provision
is
the
correct
Avenue
for
getting
for
getting
that
change.
Okay,
that.
G
B
D
H
H
D
G
Yes,
but
if,
if
I'm
responding
to
station
13
and
tomorrow,
you
ask
me,
oh
you're,
reporting
now
to
Station
14,
which
is
17
18
miles
away,
so
I
have
to
make
certain
Arrangements
address
certain
things.
It's
now
going
to
take
an
extra
45
minutes
of
travel.
So
in
the
past,
everyone's
always
like
well
you're
going
to
get
moved,
but
it's
from
here
to
that
station.
Now
the
city
is
growing
and
so,
for
example,
the
two
up
outer
limitations.
G
H
G
G
There
are
some
articles
that
do
touch
on
this
as
long
as
everyone's
in
agreement
that
we're
going
to
follow
those
or
point
to
those
and
on
here
it's
just
a
notice
with
the
reasoning
of
the
move
right
perfect
example:
Tony
Alanis,
we're
moving
you
because
congratulations
Governor
to
Captain
and
there's
a
vacancy
here
in
the
two
weeks
in
Egypt
report
over
there,
but
anyways.
It's
like
okay,
good
that
you
tell
me
now.
G
I
need
to
go,
get
all
my
stuff
go
get
my
new
Locker
make
arrangements,
whether
I'm
changing
plans
and
let's
just
give
the
proper
notice
to
say,
I'm,
switching
you
back
and
forth,
and
maybe
your
travel
distance
is
going
to
increase.
Maybe
you
have
to
make
arrangement
at
home
whatever
it
may
be,
she
have
to
work
I'm
I'm,
changing
your
shift,
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
your
Affairs,
and
then
you
can
move.
I
G
H
H
It's
viewed
as
a
Punisher
a
lot
of
times
it's
viewed
as
a
punishment,
and
you
give
a
gentleman
a
reason
or
a
lady
of
reason
and
saying
we're
moving
you
because
of
this.
It
alleviates
some
of
the
anxiety
and
alleviates
some
of
the
questions
and
did
I
do
something
wrong.
Dad
I'll
do
something
wrong.
What
happened
in
this
situation
like?
No?
G
H
You
brought
something
up
earlier
about
about
a
vacancy
somebody
retires
out
of
here
and
he's
next
on
the
list
to
get
promoted.
So
you
would
think
well,
he
goes
there,
but
there
might
be
five
or
six
moves
all
over
the
place
and
he
goes
nowhere
near
there.
He
goes
way
over
here
and
five
or
six
other
people
get
moved
for
that.
One
position
where
the
vacancy
was
where
it
seems
real,
simple.
You
know
when
you
made
it
when
you
made
the
comment,
it
sounds
real
simple,
like
oh.
H
G
But
even
though,
but
even
with
a
negative
connotation
to
it,
you
know
what
Albert
I'm
going
to
move
you,
because
you
and
Randall
Madden
have
been
getting
into
this
agreement,
sort
of
defuse
the
situation,
we're
moving
you
because
you
have
less
Rank
and
he's
a
senior
man
yeah
or
we're
moving
both
you.
It's
not
a
punishment,
but
we
can't
have
you
there,
because
it's
going
to
spill
over
and
we're
trying
to
avoids
and.
G
G
Example,
so
once
you
get
to
them
of
supervisor
well
at
least
driver
once
you
get
to
the
driver
level
unless
you're
going
to
be
acting
Captain
somewhere
and
I
guess,
the
captain
would
be
the
best
example
to
give
I'm
stationed
to
station
12.
I
get
to
station
12
and
I'm
not
getting
moved
right,
I'm,
not
a
backup,
EMS,
the
email,
backup,
District,
Chief,
sorry
I'm,
a
captain
at
this.
That's
your
Firehouse
I'm
there
I
don't
take
extra
bags.
I
have
my
extra
change
of
clothes.
G
In
case
we
get
Partners
at
my
station
because
I
know,
but
a
firefighter
who's,
a
paramedic
might
get
moved
so
they'll
carry
extra
supplies
or
something
like
that,
because
I
probably
will
get
moved
if
there's
a
need
for
personnel
but
say
I'm,
a
captain
or
a
district
Chief
and
I
show
up
one
day
and
and
it's
just
like
at
5
p.m.
Hey,
tomorrow,
you're
reporting
over
there
hey
wait
a
minute.
I
already
had
plans.
I
had
certain
things:
I
need
to
move
all
my
gear.
I
need
to
go,
get
a
new
Locker.
All
right.
G
G
It's
nothing
other
than
proper
notice
for
the
individual
to
make
arrangements.
When
you
get
with
a
younger
firemen,
they
have
children
or
whether
they're
taking
them
to
school
daycare.
Anything
like
that.
It's
just
making
a
adjustment
to
their
lives,
the
proper
notice
to
go
ahead
and
be
able
to
do
that.
That's
all.
G
G
You
from
one
ship
to
another
you'd
have
to
leave
at
midnight
and
following
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning,
right
have
to
show
back
up
because
now
you're
on
that
shift
through
the
contract
negotiations
that
practice
had
to
be
started.
Well,
it
has
been
stopped
and
now
I
think
it's
24
hour
arrest
period,
at
least
where
you
need.
I
In
this
best
case
scenario
like
if
you're
getting
moved
to
on
the
same
ship
to
another
station
right
but
there's
other
circumstances
where
guys
get
moved
to
a
completely
other,
so
I'm
picking
up
my
kids,
Monday
Wednesdays
and
Fridays.
Now
it
messes
up
my
schedule
or
your
move.
Didn't
move
eight
to
five,
where
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
to
work
every
single
day
and
not
have
those
extra
two
days
off.
G
And
no
one
is
saying
or
don't
move
them
all
it
is,
is.
Can
you
just
give
them
some
notice
I'm
going
to
move
you
in
two
weeks
take
care
of
your
repairs,
which
you
would
think
would
be
just
the
legitimate
thing
to
do.
Hey
I
know:
I'm
gonna,
it's
my
right.
This
is
your
job.
You
need
to
take
care
of
your
job.
H
G
G
B
G
You
know
and
that's
fine
we're
just
giving
you
what
the
issues
that
were
discussed.
It
probably
thought
they
could
be
remedied
and
how
pretty
much
it
wasn't
taken
away
already
any
of
the
chief's
rights
or
cities
rights
and
even
on
the
other
articles,
wording.
I
agree
with
you.
We're
in
every
specific
article
might
be
limiting,
but
we
wanted
to
put
in
there
just
so
kind
of
just
for
the
discussion
purpose
of
referencing.
It's
not
only
one
article.
It
could
be
multiple
articles.
E
G
E
G
F
B
Because
I
I
guess
I
guess
even
without
and
just
this
is
my
interpretation
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
I
am
it's
the
same
as
an
arbitrator
or
whatever,
but
after
reading
all
of
this
in
preparation
for
today,
I
guess
I
would
summarize
this
as
as
long
as
the
chief
isn't
prohibited
by
any
article
within
this
contract
to
do
something
he
can
do
it
as
long
as
it
falls
within
a
through
Q.
That's
how
I
read
it
now
are
you're
saying
that
it's
so
I
guess.
My
question
is:
are
you
saying
that's
what
this
means?
B
G
F
G
G
So
that's
been
recognized
grievances
on
it,
there's
been
Awards
handed
out
on
it,
and
so
it's
just
clarifying
that.
Yes,
the
areas
are
other
than
anything
written
in
the
contract
or
any
other,
basically
minus
a
standard
that
was
in
effect
at
the
signing
of
the
contract.
The
city
in
the
chief
do
have
the
right
right.
It's
not
only
the
black
letter
and
I
think
or
the
black
letter
of
the
contract
I
think
the
last
negotiations
that
I
saw
or
I
was
here
when
what
was
her
name
Roxy
had
mentioned.
G
J
B
B
F
J
B
G
G
G
Which
is
why
we
mentioned
the
unilateral
enactment
of
one-sided,
what
is
bargaining
and
or
not
bargaining
in
good
faith,
one
side
making
a
unilateral
decision
that
addresses
hours,
wages
and
products
and
conditions
of
employment
and
forcing
through
policy
at
the
time
when
the
contract
is
being
negotiated
that
that
has
been
established
is
not
negotiating
in
good
faith
right.
How
about
trying
to
in
force
a
change?
While
the
issue
should
be
discussed
at
the
table?
No,
no!
G
On
the
far
Chief
or
I'm
Administration
I'm
in
the
city,
I'm
going
to
try
to
unilaterally
Implement
something
amending
conditions
from
appointment.
So
we
take
it
as
one.
What's
in
the
correctly
what's
in
exit
or
what's
in
play
at
the
signing
of
the
contract
stays
in
for
the
life
of
the
contract,
anything
additional
can
be
added,
but
or
if
mutual
agreement
removes,
and
we
we
have
done
that
in
the
past,
but
it's
in
played
it
doesn't
have
to
be
written
in
the
contract.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
spelled
out
in
chapter.
H
B
Seems
as
though
that
this
maintenance
of
Standards
really
benefits
your
union
and
here's,
the
reason
why,
just
because
you
have
certain
rights
here,
this
article
32
allows
for
the
city
through
the
chief
to
Grant
you
more
privileges
than
is
what
is
based
in
this
contract,
so
think
of
it.
This
way,
think
of
it.
This
way
the
Constitution
of
the
United
States
right,
the
Second
Amendment,
the
Supreme
Court-
has
given
a
baseline
as
to
what
the
right
to
bear
arms
means
right
right,
like
these
are
your
rights.
B
This
is
our
interpretation
of
what
rights
you
have
under
the
Second
Amendment.
The
state
of
Texas
did
what
you
know.
What
we're
going
to
add.
We're
gonna,
give
you
more
than
what
the
Supreme
Court
and
the
Constitution
thinks,
because
we
interpret
a
little
differently.
The
Supreme
Court
says
the
states
can
do
this,
we're
saying
no,
you
have
a
constitutional
right
to
carry
a
weapon
openly,
so
states
can
create
laws
that
give
you
more
protections
and
more
freedoms
and
more
privileges
than
what
the
Constitution
would
allow.
So
this
is
basically
what's
happening
here.
B
G
Well,
it
doesn't
matter
give
you
guys
an
example:
okay,
what
the
past
practice
and
this
contract.
How
do
you
establish
that
at
the
signing
of
the
contract,
this
is
the
privilege
or
condition
of
employment
or
hours
that
we're
being
exercised?
Well,
here's
our
history
of
Island,
when
it
was
done
that
past
practice
shows
you
to
leading
up
to
this
point
in.
G
Know
we're
not
saying
that
that's
the
condition,
because
we
never
said
that
he
could
not
roll
back.
If
anything
says
he
shall
mutually
agree
that
any
additional
or
removes
at
the
description
of
the
parachute
right.
So
once
you
get
past
the
sign
in
anything,
that's
in
place
the
chief
can
approve,
but
then
he
can
also
remove
right
am.
B
H
G
H
G
B
G
B
G
G
And
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
though,
is
that
it's
not
as
broad
as
as
I
guess,
if
that's
what
you're
saying,
isn't
it
it's
hours
and
wages
which
most
of
it's
filled
out
here?
Privileges
and
conditions
of
employment
are
the
only
ones
that
are
there
and
privileges?
There's
not
that
many
to
begin
with
right.
So
it's
not
like
the
fire
chief
comes
in
and
just
allows
us
a
hundred
different
privileges.
So
there's
not
that.
G
J
C
G
In
great
recognizing
that
condition
of
unemployment
and
certain
things
are
done,
so
we
want
to
maybe
scale
that
back
the
avenue
to
do
it
is
here
right,
I
mean
I,
would
think
so
and
from
what
I've
read
that
that's
that's
where
it
is
so
I
know
what
you're
saying
well,
I
think
it
means
this,
but
it
hasn't
been
used
in
that
matter.
Well,.
I
I
think
it's
just
referencing
back
to
where
we
have
already
kind
of
gotten
into
it
with
the
arbitration
that
we
had
about
a
year
ago.
I
think
the
arbitrator
you
know
sided
with
the
Union
because
of
past
practice,
and
it's
something
that
we're
arguing
here,
that
it's
something
that's
been
done
for
10
years.
It's
not
something
that
the
chief
can
automatically
just
you
know
change
just
because
right,
I
think.
F
F
B
G
Guess
let
me
ask
what
condition
of
employment
yeah
or
is
the
city
looking
at?
That
is
not
kind
of
mentioned
in
the
contract
when
there's
an
extension
of
wording
from
the
content?
Okay,
so
which,
which
one
is
it
that
the
association
or
firefighters
are
doing
that
kind
of
doesn't
meet
the
criteria?
We're
talking
about
okay,.
B
So
I
can
only
speak
on
my
limited
experience
in
working
with
the
you
find
gentleman,
but
there
was
a
situation
about
an
amount
of
time
that
you
had
to
spend
before
you
had
to
pay
back
something
to
use
an
exchange
right,
remember,
I,
believe
the
the
policy
was
120
days
for
you
to,
and
please
help
me
with
the
language
to
pay
for
you
to
pay
back
for
you
to
pay
back.
You
couldn't
just
Kick
the
Can
of
payback
for
years
and
years
and
years
it
was
120
days
and
I
think
the
over.
G
B
B
J
G
To
individuals
allow
it,
the
supervisor,
allow
it
the
supervisors
at
the
station,
overlooking
the
I
call
Hub
station
the
station
here
overlooking
the
stations
it
monitors,
allowed
it
and
bypass
it.
There's
been
occasions
where,
like
hey,
wait
a
minute,
this
guy
hasn't
paid
back
supports
involved,
and
it's
like
you
need
to
start
paying
this
guy
back.
It's
been
a
while
yeah,
so
those
situations
have
also
I
understand.
What
triggers
an
issue
is
the
the
one
that
the
outrageous
one.
C
G
Yeah,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
situations
where
the
Hub
stations
did
catch,
that
like
hey.
Why
aren't
you
looking
at
this
like?
Well,
no,
they
amended
it
twice.
Well,
they
haven't
paid
back.
Okay,
hey!
You
need
to
schedule
something
you
need
to
schedule
something
there,
because
then
now
I
think
you
would
fall
under
chapter
143
or
you
can
be
disciplined
right
and
I.
Don't
have
that
a
list
of
reasons
why?
But,
but
you
do
have
certain
duties
to
the
city
right,
so
you
could
trigger
those
aspects.
G
B
G
E
B
B
I
understand
but
I
just
feel
like
they're
so
interconnected.
It
was
just
a
natural
segue
into
that,
but
we
you
will.
You
are
correct
in
that
Mr
Chapa
and
we
will
have
a
proposal
for
you
on
that.
Okay,
but
I,
guess
we're
I.
Think
we're
good
with
six
we've
seen
what
your
position
is
on
management
rights,
so
we'll
move
on,
and
if
we
have
a
counter
we
will.
We
will
propose
that
counter.
Okay,.
C
C
G
J
G
G
On
duties
number
one,
it
was
just
that
you
know
everyone
was
just
effective.
We
wanted
to
ask
for
that
the
signification
on
two
striking
that
line
out,
because
who
basically
says
if
I
pay
you
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
it
you're,
basically
waving
the
fact
that
you
shouldn't
be
doing
this
to
begin
with
right.
This
is
any
special
or
any
special
details
not
corresponding
to
our
duties.
Should
we
pay
that
time
and
a
half?
G
That's
not
my
duty,
but
that's
why
we're
we're
asking
to
strike
that
up
here,
yeah
and
three,
the
six
months,
it's
the
60
shifts
and
was
there
any
part
of
Prior
discussion
and
the
last
one
also
is
the
same
thing
prior
discussion
about
what
was
presented
as
to
include
the
duties,
editors
and
directors,
kind
of
all.
Expanding
on
that
that,
if
you
are
ordered,
there's
a
local
order,
then
you
would
be
basically
it
would
coincidence
part
of
the
firefighters
business.
E
C
E
G
C
G
G
E
B
J
B
C
F
B
G
B
C
B
G
C
B
G
So
article
11
11.2,
we
put
a
two
asterisks
next
to
extractors
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
the
last
contract,
the
last
contract,
the
discussion
basically
was
extractors
would
be
brought
in.
Was
it
Devastation
every
station?
But
the
extractors
are
the
washing
machines
for
a
bucket
here,
and
so
we
put
it
after
because
we
figured
it
was
already
there.
It
was.
It
was
going
to
be
addressed,
but
it
hasn't
so
we
wanted
just
to
bring
it
up
again.
Is
it
you
know
as
under
health
and
safety?
G
This
is
one
of
the
the
reasons
we
built
out
certain
issues
as
far
as
replacement
gear.
But
when
we
go
to
a
fire
we
can
watch
it.
There
was
a
big
Movement
by
the
department
to
do
like
the
cancer
initiative
or
showering
wipeys
or
how
to
basically
Decon
equipment.
The
only
issue,
though,
is
that
the
extractor
said
I
guess
it
had
started
to
be
implemented.
Some
were
ordered,
but
then
it
wasn't
carried
out
or
finish
off
right.
I
understand
a
lot
of.
G
I
G
H
C
H
G
G
The
fact
is
that
it's
contaminated
and
it's
just
laying
there
or
if
it's
bad
and
these
individuals
are
having
to
take
it
back
here
and
watch
it
where
it
should
be.
We
go
back
to
our
station.
We
start
washing
shower,
make
sure
you
clean
and
then
get
in
a
uniform
and
make
sure
you
get
another
set
ready
to
go
good.
C
H
H
Your
ear,
your
coat
there's
two
pieces,
there's
an
inner
and
an
otter
and
your
pants
are
two
pieces
in
and
out
of
so
you
wash
all
your
otters
together,
you
wash
all
your
inners
together,
so
they're
larger
machines
can
take
five
coats
and
five
pairs
of
pants,
outers
and
then
running
mode.
Then
you
write
five
pairs
of
inners
five
pairs
of
lowers
or
five
jackets
bypass
dinners.
You
watch
those,
so
it
takes
about
two
two
and
a
half
hours
to
wash.
The
five
sets
a
gear
and
I
say
five
like
for
five
individuals:
okay,
but.
H
G
G
G
And
the
employees
must
report
any
unsafe
equipment
or
conditions
to
the
immediate
supervisor
who
shall
in
turn
bring
it
to
the
attention
of
the
chief
and
the
furniture?
The
forestry
shall
take
action
to
correct
any
unsafe
condition.
We're
at
asking
to
include
within
five
business
days
from
receiving
the
report,
so
it
may
not
be
here,
spend
the
money
to
take
care
of
it,
but
well
noted
this
is
what's
happening.
This
is
the
time
frame.
This
is
what's
going
to
happen.
What
ends
up
happening?
A
lot
of
times
is
particular.
What
was
it?
G
The
last
a
ship?
There
wasn't
more
fire
trucks
right.
It
was
just
a
gonna,
responding
a
pickup
truck.
Yes,
we
have
these
issues,
but
we're
not
able
to
to
fix
the
issue
or
replace
it
in
a
timely
manner.
So
what
we
wanted
to
add
was
like
okay.
Well,
then,
you
need
to
send
some
feedback,
because
what
ends
up
happening
is
we're
at
the
station
and
have
you
heard
anything?
No,
they.
You
know
they
took
the
fire
truck.
They
took
the
ambulance.
They
said
that
they'll
call
us
back.
G
G
H
G
And
this
is
I,
don't
foresee
it
getting
to
the
city
level
as
far
as
City
management
level,
but
this
would
be
if
well,
you
know
what
we
haven't
heard.
Anything
it
hasn't
been
addressed.
Call
your
supervisor,
I,
don't
know
anything
about
it.
Well,
then,
we
can
trigger
agreements
right
file,
the
paperwork
to
basically
force
a
response.
Then,
because
right
now
it's
just
unlimited.
D
G
There
is
a
daily
checklist,
but
that
checklist
I
tell
everywhere
I
go
work.
I
tell
you
guys
at
my
station
in
the
military,
there's
a
checklist
as
far
as
if
this
and
this-
and
this
are
wrong-
you
stop
that
unit
and
you
stop
it
getting
his
tracks.
We
no
longer
move
it
a
lot
of
times
here.
It's
like
go
over
there
get
this
yeah
go,
get
some
oil
and
put
it
in
there
or
and
the
perfect
examples.
G
I
was
talking
with
my
guys
at
the
station
now,
where
I'm
at
a
lot
of
newer,
newer
individuals
that
got
promoted
one
you'll
be
told:
what
can
you
take
care
of
it?
What
is
it
should
I
should
be
taking
care
of
in
the
perfect
example
is
okay,
you
know
what
I
think
I
can
replace
the
fan
belt
on
the
engine.
We're
gonna,
replace
it.
It's
a
holiday
Thanksgiving,
it's
Thursday
we're
not
going
to
see
anything
until
Monday.
G
Okay,
let
me
replace
it.
I've
been
given
the
direction
and
we
get
we
touch
on
what
we
discussed
earlier.
One
of
my
guys
is
a
mechanic
he
can
replace
starts
to
put
in
the
heart
turn
down.
The
engine
takes
off
a
finger.
What
are
you
doing?
You're,
not
a
mechanic.
Well,
no
I
I
was
told
if
I
could
do
it
right
and
the
reason
that's
having
to
be
done
is
because
the
turnaround
time,
sometimes
it
it
takes
days
and
weeks
to
even
know,
what's
even
going
to
happen.
D
G
Cardinal
mechanism,
no
threshold
by
a
certain
unit
saying
this
is
unsafe.
I
can
know
I'm
no
longer
going
to
activate
this
unit.
I'm
sorry,
you
can
go
ahead
and
take
out
the
chinica
man.
I,
don't
feel
safe,
because
now
it's
a
life
safety
for
somebody
else.
Right
now
you
report
it.
Okay,
if
we
all
know
the
unit
we'll
take
a
answer,
but
I
want
to
do
it
until
running
as
it
is
yeah.
So.
H
Yeah,
so
so
we're
running
into
a
major
issue
with
a
with
an
aging
Fleet,
our
entire
fleet,
we're
just
talking
about
arguments.
We
have
an
agency,
we
knew
this
was
an
issue.
That's
been
coming
for
a
long
time,
so,
with
an
agent
Fleet,
our
biggest
problem
that
we
run
into
is
nowadays
our
trucks.
We
have
a
couple
problems.
Our
trucks
are
either
so
old
that
they
can't
buy
parts
for
them.
H
H
Well,
the
problem
lies
in
we're.
Our
trucks
are
also
hold
that
when
we
take
a
truck
out
of
service
at
15
years
and
say
now,
it's
going
to
be
reserved
not
a
pin.
We
take
that
at
15
years.
It's
now
a
reserve,
and
it's
been
every
day.
It's
not
used
as
a
hey
once
every
month
that
truck's
not
getting
used
once
or
twice
is
taken
out
of
a
Frontline
pumper
at
a
station
and
being
moved
into
a
reserved
position
where
it's
used
every
single
day
at
another
station.
H
G
I
G
And
Brakes
are
automatically
that
they
will
be
handled,
because
that
is
also
liability
for
the
city
and
for
someone
else
right.
It's
not
it's
not
mainly
just
if
the
parliament
of
the
safety
is
for
the
citizen
brain
as
well,
so
example,
I
heard
one
of
the
trucks
was
disengaging
out
of
pump
right,
so
you
can
go
to
a
fire
and
put
in
pump.
This
is
the
what's
going
to
provide
water,
to
protect
yourself
and
to
extinguish
the
fire
farm
and
go
in
it
disengages
right.
We
go
back
to
the
lawful
order
right.
G
What
right
as
a
supervisor,
to
have
like
no
I'm
stopping
you
right
there.
We
are
not
responding
to
a
fire
on
this
vehicle
because
it
disengages
right.
I
can't
put
my
Personnel
in
that
situation,
but
we
have
no
mechanism
to
be
able
for
the
officer
to
call
that
shot.
What
you
get
is
like
no
you're
being
in
support
like
no.
It's
not
it's
important,
I'm,
just
not
going
to
risk
my
life
with
this
Union.
Why
would
I.
H
Do
that
and
I
love
those
lines
without
that
mechanism,
you're
you're,
hoping
that
your
45
captains
out
there
50
captains
that
are
on
the
line,
60
captains
are
on
the
line,
you're,
hoping
that
they
have
mechanical
knowledge
enough
to
determine
that.
Okay,
because
they
might
not,
they
might
not
be
mechanically
inclined.
To
that
extent,
to
understand
what
you
know,
what
is
life-threatening?
What
is
not
you
know,
I
hate
to
say,
but
not
everybody
has
the
same
chemical
skills.
H
We
don't
have
shocks
that
takes
POS
in
a
hurry.
We
have
two
Truck
Centers
that
we
send
our
trucks
to
and
if
we're
paying
with
appeal,
we'll
put
at
the
end
of
the
line
with
18
with
a
truck
drivers,
walk
in
with
a
credit
card
and
go
I
need
this
fixed
right
now,
because
I'm
losing
a
thousand
dollars
a
day
on
my
on
my
truck
not
running
and
they
pay
cash,
they
go
to
the
front
of
the
line.
H
Our
truck's
going
sit
for
three
months
at
these
facilities,
waiting
for
POs
bids
and
everything
else
to
come
in.
Well,
that's
three
months
that
we're
using
a
reserve
truck
that's
over
20
years
old
and
that's
what
that
goes
to
the
safety
concerns
that
we're
talking
about
this
is
this
doesn't
happen
every
once,
while
this
is
happening
every
day,
it's
just.
This
is
a
a
major
concern.
So
it's
not
it's
not
I,
don't
want
to
say
it's
just
it's
a
or
I,
don't
want
to
say
it's
a
lack
of
wanting
to
do.
B
G
G
Issue
was
those
few
stations
with
old,
vinyl
floors.
We
want
you
to
buff
them
up
and
here's
this
30
year
old
dinosaur,
it's
a
bucket
with
right,
so
under
health
and
safety,
like
hey,
wait
a
minute
that
thing's
old
it
shakes
and
we've
had
a
couple
of
guys
fall
and
get
knocked
out
with
it,
because
the
way
it
moves,
it's
just
an
old
tool,
Our
Father
agreements
to
one
get.
What
is
a
lawful
order?
What
workers
comp
will
carry?
G
What
is
the
criteria,
but
secondly,
I
always
give
the
example
like
it's
funny
that
you're
saying
we
should
use
the
same
equipment
or
the
newest.
What
is
the
safest
in
up-to-date
equipment?
I'm
like
I,
go
to
Sam's
and
I,
see
a
person
riding
almost
like
a
scooter
right.
I
went
to
the
county
building,
there's
a
smaller
one.
There's
an
old
lady,
just
riding
around
shining
the
floor
right
so
with
the
battery
I'm
sure,
there's
a
safer
model
to
use,
not
that
old
model.
G
That's
already
knocked
out
to
other
individuals
right
because
it's
just
flying
all
over
the
place.
So
when
these
issues
come
up,
it's
do
we
really
are
we
really
serious
about
it?
Is
there
a
mechanism
that
we're
going
to
talk
about,
or
in
this
the
big
reason
you'll
respond
within
five
business
days?
Is
so
there's
no
holdup?
Well,
what
am
I
doing
oh
wait
around
for
another
month.
Okay,
I
guess:
I'll
wait
around
for
another
month.
G
We
just
put
we
we've
talked
about
it
and
we're
like
well,
I,
guess,
my
business.
We
know
the
prime
business,
they
should
be
surprised.
It
gives
Administration
or
whoever's
going
to
handle
it
in
enough
time
and
say:
I've
seen
it
I've
heard
it
mixing
calls
could
be
10,
it
could
be
whatever
it
may
be.
The
idea
is
to
bring
up
the
issue
like
okay,
there's
an
issue.
Should
we
resolve
it
or.
D
The
only
the
only
issue
I
have
here
is
this:
one
is
Governor
departments
with
part
of
the
German
alcohol
policy
and
an
employee
stood
up
with
if,
if
the
person
is
negative,
if
the
person
is
positive,
it's
a
without
pay
or
subject
to
determination.
Whatever
the
issue
findings
are,
but
if
you're
just
taken
out
the
oddly.
For
that
time,
who's
not
being
paid.
F
C
G
D
B
I
D
F
B
C
Changed
over
time
that
we've
negotiated
before
we
were
sent
home
with
pay
or
we
were
an
accident
and
we
were
drug
tested.
We
were
sent
home
because
we
couldn't
do
anything
and
then
one
of
the
bar
Chiefs
along
the
way
said
no
I,
don't
want
to
send
them
home
because
someone
suggested
to
him
and
he
brought
the
idea
that
he
wrecked
on
purpose
on
Thursday.
So
you
could
have
the
whole
weekend
off
because
back
then
the
drug
test
wasn't
coming
back
until,
like
five.
F
C
C
G
F
D
B
B
B
G
C
J
C
B
G
G
B
G
C
B
B
G
G
B
G
B
C
G
H
D
I'm
going
to
share
with
them
is
that
we're
in
the
fourth
year
of
the
five
year
contract
with
our
insurance
and
I,
think
we're
one
second
number.
So
we
can
share
that.
What
I
did
say
is
that
we're
going
to
go
for
our
piece
next
year,
so
I'm,
not
I,
can
kind
of
gauge
give
or
take
a
little
bit.
I,
don't
think
that's
pretty
close
to
where
we
need
to
be
at
yeah.