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From YouTube: Collective Bargaining Meeting, 10/07/2022
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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 10/07/2022
A
B
C
First
Column
in
there
we
have
the
1110
line
item,
which
is
a
regular
and
there's
a
one
that
you
were
showing
us
on
the
last
meeting.
Yes,
if
you're
heading
the
40
000
the
40
million
dollars
in
there
I'm,
also
including
the
overtime
1120,
which
is
because
that
is
part
of
the
girls
wages,
which
was
3.4
million
dollars,
and
then
we
had
the
total
of
those
girls.
Wages
is
43
million
dollars.
C
Cost
yeah
so
so
we're
looking
at
the
gross
wages
of
45
million
dollars.
If
we
take
one
percent
of
that,
that
is
a
452
663.98
cents,
but
then
that
base
that
total
gross
wages
has
an
impact
on
our
social
security.
So
the
Social
Security
that
we
have
for
the
total
is
629.
That's
going
to
generate
another
six
thousand
two
hundred
ninety
one
dollars.
C
C
Comp
orcus
com
is
a
percent,
so
total
workers
come
is
a
million
four
or
one
percent
of
that
is
fourteen
thousand
eight,
ninety
seven
twenty
eight
and
then
we
have
the
port,
the
pension,
which
is
the
biggest
benefit
that
is
based
on
a
percentage.
So
our
total
pension
is
nine
million
160
160
805.87
cents.
If
we
take
one
percent
of
that,
that's
195
272.38,
so
for
one
percent
it
has
an
impact
on
my
base
and
he's
also
going
to
have
an
an
impact
on
my
percentages,
benefits
that
we
pay.
C
So
when
we
add
those
up,
we
have
a
total
of
569
000,
124.88
83
cents
for
the
current
rates.
This
is,
and
this
one
is
now
based
on
the
gross
earnings.
The
other
one
that
I
was
doing
was
just
kind
of
estimating
the
base
pay
with
the
ad
phase
and
coming
up
to
that
difference.
So
when
we
actually
look
at
actual
monies
that
we're
paying
the
estimated
more
569
I
was
using
550
000.
So
it's
it's
we're
within
the
ballpark
for
the
estimates.
D
I
guess
this
is
where
my
clarification
wanted,
of
course,
trying
to
I
understand
where
the
pension
gets
affected
by
it,
but
when
calcium
raises
throughout
any
industry
throughout
anything,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
Social
Security,
Unemployment
workman's
comp,
that's
not
calculating
to
wait,
it's
not
talking
into
which
I
understand
the
financial
impact
in
the
city,
because
it
is
going
to
go
up.
But
it's
not
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that's
by
law,
not
through
contract
right.
So
you
said
these
are
contractual.
A
So
it's
required
that
the
city
potatoes
for
the
wages
for
all
of
its
employees
and
the
city
is
a
public
entity
with
taxpayer
dollars
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
fulfill
the
contract
obligations.
All
of
the
legal
required
obligations
have
to
be
taken
into
account
also
for
the
monies
that
it
will
take
to
fulfill
that
contract
and
to
set
the
budget,
because
the
city
has
to
set
the
budget
and
they
have
to
earmark
and
I'll.
You
know
make
sure
that
they
have
the
money
to
pay
and
fulfill
the
contracts.
A
So
from
the
city's
perspective,
even
though
the
contractual
provision
is,
you
know,
a
base
wage
and
a
percentage
increase
in
the
base
wage,
the
actual
cost
to
the
city
that
the
city
will
be
obligated
to
because
of
that
increase
in
the
contract,
is
going
to
be
reflected
by
these
numbers,
and
it
includes
not
only
the
base
and
add
pain
in
the
overtime,
but
it
has
to
include
the
Social
Security
Medicare,
the
workers
comp
and
then
the
pension
is
a
contractual
obligation.
That
is
also
a
goes
along
with
that.
C
Yeah
and
I
think
we're
actually
saying
we.
We
have
an
expense
that
we
need
to
budget
for
so
from
your
side.
I
think
you're,
saying
that
one
thing
is
what
the
firefighter
will
be
getting.
They
only
get
the
girls
unless
there
are
deductions
as
well,
so
they
only
get
the
net
but
from
the
city
Side.
We
need
to
appropriate
those
expenses,
so
it
has
a
the
one
percent.
Whatever
percentage
increases
in
base
pay,
it
has
an
effect
on
those
three
other
items
that
we
have
to
pay
for,
so
we
have
to
budget.
C
D
C
E
For
example,
you
might
have
additional
supplemental
insurances,
Etc
et
cetera,
put
the
windows
down.
Think
about
this
one.
We
give
you
the
one
person
it
is
paid
to
you.
The
one
percent
is
paid
to
you,
whatever
happens
afterwards,
based
on
detections,
either
required
by
law
or
required
by
your
personal
choice.
C
We're
not
doing
a
one
percent
increase
on
net
pay,
we're
doing
a
one
percent
increase
on
base
fee,
so
that
increases
your
base
pay.
But
then,
if
you
do
deductions,
if
you
reduce
your
deductions,
your
amount
is
going
to
be
higher
or
less.
If
you
increase
it,
it
is
not
an
increase
of
one
percent.
In
your
check,
it
is
a
one
percent
increase
on
your
Facebook.
C
The
one
percent
increase
in
your
base
pay
has
an
impact
on
your
ad
pace,
which
is
that
directly
comes
to
you,
but
it
also
from
our
side.
It
has
a
one
percent
increase
on
the
other
benefits
that
are
percentages
that
we
have
to
pay
and
and
both
of
all
those
payments
that
we're
doing,
with
the
exception
of
the
workers
comp
both
the
Social
Security
Medicare
and
the
pension
goes
to
your
accounting,
either
with
the
Social
Security
Administration
or
with
a
pension
of
our
pension.
E
E
C
A
Every
city,
every
every
city
or
entity
has
to
do
that
when
they're
calculating
the
base
wages
and
with
the
contractual
obligations
are
and-
and
to
reiterate,
you
know,
you're
talking
about.
Well,
it's
not
going
to
be
exactly
a
one
percent
take-home
on
the
base.
Pay
right,
that's
right,
because
it's
not
net
it's
on
the
base,
pay
which
is
subject
to
federal
taxes
and
all
those
other
requirements
that
that
are
placed
upon
wages.
A
C
For
that
matter,
it's
even
a
higher
percent
of
one
percent.
So
when
we
do
a
one
percent,
if
you
take
one
percent
and
you
use
a
dollar
as
an
example-
you're
not
getting
a
dollar
you're,
getting
a
dollar
certain
17
cents,
a
dollar
twenty,
depending
on
what
you're
at
these
are.
So
when
we
compute
the
one
percent
it's
higher
than
the
one
percent
you're
actually
getting
on
the
basement
because
of
the
percentage
happens,
which
is
China.
F
A
A
A
G
A
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
work
on
that
today
and
during
caucus.
The
chief
is
willing
to
discuss
that
and
I
think
and
joaquin's.
Here
we
have
all
the
relevant
people
here
and
we
need
to
know
because
I
think
you
know
we
believed
it
had
been
resolved.
That
was
the
impression
that
or
that
that
was
the
the
resolution
it
had
already
been
shared
and
to
hear
that
now
after
the
policy
was
issued
after
being
discussed
previous
to
being
issued.
A
But
now
there's
an
in
you
know,
there's
there's
a
problem:
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
communication,
because
from
the
time
that
that
happened
to
now,
we
didn't
know
that
there
was
a
a
grievance
or
even
a
concern
with
that.
We
believed
it
was
resolved,
and
so
we
really
would
like
to
discuss
that
today
and
see
if
we
can
bring
that
we
can
either
resolve
it
or
figure
out
what
what
the
issue
is.
H
I
A
I,
don't
know
that
there's
any
I
know
that
we
have
proposed
tentative
agreements,
I'll
look
back
and
see
if
there's
any
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
pending
tentative
agreements,
but
I'll
look
and
we
can
we
can
visit
during
the
caucus
to,
if
maybe,
if
I'm
missing
something,
but
we
will
look.
We
will
definitely
look
at
that
and
so
at
this
time
we
will
caucus
it's
9
59.
A
G
A
D
F
F
A
F
F
F
C
C
The
next
one
to
follow
is
a
sales
tax
sales
tax
generates
about
44.9
million
dollars
in
Revenue,
which
represents
about
19
percent
from
there.
The
next
biggest
Revenue
that
we
have
is
the
transfer
that
we
do
from
our
Bridge
Department,
which
is
an
Enterprise
phone,
we're
bringing
in
about
36
million
dollars,
which
represents
about
15
percent
of
the
revenues
that
we
get
we
get
for
general
fund.
Those
three
are
the
the
biggest
revenues
that
we
have
following.
That
is.
C
We
have
some
charges
for
services
that
are
bringing
in
our
21
21.1
million
dollars,
which
represents
about
9
million
and
nine
percent,
and
then
we
have
another
one
which
are
our
other
Finance
sources.
The
other
Finance
sources
is
coming
from
part
of
that
money
was
coming
from
the
American
Recovery
Act.
We
had
about
10
million
dollars
left
for
this
year's
budget,
and
then
we
have
another.
17
million
dollars
are
coming
in
from
our
contract,
crcif
fund.
E
Have
and
and
CIF
money
just
acquire
for
y'all
to
know
it's
also
still
Bridge
Revenue.
There
is
something
called
flow
funds
where
you
have
for
drugs
coming
in
they're,
almost
70
million
dollars
being
generate
controls
from
that
you
take
down
the
debt,
all
the
bonds
that
they
that
they're
aging
out
for
different
projects
that
they
have
their
operations.
Anything
left
over
is
about
anywhere
depending
on
a
Good
Year
back
here
right,
you
work
from
like
maybe
12
to
15
million
dollars.
E
That
amount
of
money
that
is
left
over
is
also
coming
into
General
funds
about
general
fund.
Those
are
the
other
amounts
of
community,
and
so
general
fund
is
very
much
dependent,
not
only
in
the
bridge
transfer
but
in
all
the
other
areas.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
transportation-
and
we
talked
about
you-
know
we
all
wanted
to
know
numbers.
We
talked
about
Transportation
being
very
crucial
and
vital
for
the
revenue
source
for
General
funding.
E
C
C
If
you
can
see
there,
one
percent
three
percent:
five
percent:
this
year
we
had
a
little
bit
more
in
property
taxes,
because
the
appraised
values
came
in
very
high,
so
we
had
we're
at
9.7,
but
I
don't
expect
that
to
be
coming
in
for
the
coming
years,
more
than
likely,
the
the
prices
hopefully
are
stabilizing
on
the
Market,
the
property
market.
So
I
don't
anticipate
that
coming
in
at
nine
percent
answer.
C
So
that's
a
challenge
that
we're
going
to
have
on
the
property
taxes
the
next
one,
okay,
next
Slide,
the
next
slide
talks
about
the
sales
tax
sales
tax.
If
you
can
see
there
goes
back,
are
people
working
as
well
so
the
fiscal
year?
You
see
that
we
had
a
a
drop
in
there
1560.,
and
then
we
had
another
drop
in
1920,
which
we
had
a
two
percent
drop,
which
was
related
to
the
focus.
After
that,
we've
got
a
really
good
recovery
in
our
sales
tax
has
increased
11
in
2021.
C
F
E
C
A
C
F
J
F
J
A
C
I
guess
the
the
good
thing
to
say
about
those
two:
a
major
revenues
that
we
have,
both
the
property
tax
and
the
sales
tax
is
it's
a
pretty
steady
increase
but
they're,
not
big
increases
that
we
have,
as
we
look
at
them
from
the
expenditure
side
and
we'll
get
into
the
expenditures
in
a
minute.
What
our
revenues
are
police
ready
increases.
So
as
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
we
start
looking
at
the
general
fund
expenditures
by
category.
So
these
are
the
242.6
million
dollar
budget
that
we
have.
C
It
constitutes
to
184.8
million
dollars
of
a
242.6
million
that
we
have
represents
about
76
percent
of
our
budget,
our
next,
our
next
categories,
contractual
Services
of
28.1
million
representing
12
percent
and
chosen
supplies
of
10.5
million
dollars
representing
four
percent
and
then
the
rest
are
the
other
charges
in
intergovernment
that
we
chose
Islamic
Mars.
But
one
of
the
struggles
that
we
have
is
that
our
major,
our
biggest
expense
is
personal.
C
It's
it's
no
surprise,
but
it
is
a
struggle
for
us
when
we
look
at
from
the
budget,
because
we
look
at
either
of
the
livings
we're
looking
at
Contract
increases
we're
looking
at
Insurance
costs.
Workers
can't
cause
some
unemployment
and
all
of
those
play
a
big
role
in
that
big
number
that
we
have
into
that
76
of
our
of
our
expenditures.
C
E
E
J
J
E
C
C
H
H
H
E
E
C
Keys
for
the
city,
including
transit
systems,
total
FPS
or
everybody,
is
3200
back
in
1819
we
were
at
3
000
and
if
you
look
at
general
fund
back
in
18
19
fiscal
year,
we
were
at
1512
FTS.
If
you
look
at
the
adopted
for
airport
2223,
we
have
1811.30
FPS.
So
during
this
time
this
one
was
before
looking
back
four
years,
we've
had
increased
ffts
above
99
FPS,
and
these
are
all
fully
stacked.
No,
we
have
vacancies.
Some
of
these
positions
are
great
remember.
These
are
elected
any
numbers
that
we
have.
E
The
point
to
make
there
is:
we
have
not
grown
very
much
in
the
last
years
overall,
so
anyone,
whether
it's
one
department
or
another,
it's
we're
showing
you
there
that
we
would
love
to
grow
because
the
city
is
growing.
We
have
not
added
more
positions
to
it.
Whether
they
can
see
that
if
it
means
whether
it's
pension,
you
know
they
go
looking
for
other.
C
E
C
A
difference
yeah
whatever
this
is.
This
is
budgeting
information,
so
we
we
have
those
positions
and
we
budget
for
those
positions.
We
do
have
about
1.6
million
dollars
in
positions
that
we
don't
fund,
because
we
have
to
earn
fund
to
make
sure
we
balance
the
budget.
So
I
don't
think
we
have
a
slight
in
the
unfunded,
but
we
have
about
1.6
1.7
of
positions
that
are
unfunded
in
general
fund
to
be
able
to
balance
is.
C
E
But
I
guess
I
need
to
be
we
clear
about
something:
every
department
is
responsible
for
their
budget
and
within
their
budget
there
could
be
they
can
see
they're
not,
but
they
work
within
their
budget
for
the
most
part
to
make
sure
that
they
are
able
to
meet
whatever's
coming
forward.
They
stay
within
with
exception
of
some
things,
for
example,
as
fire
departments
over
time,
so
they
kind
of
have
to
regulate.
What's
going
on
other
than
that,
all
departments
within
general
fund
must
maintain
what
you
give
them.
You
give
them
a
million
dollars.
E
I
H
C
Keep
in
mind,
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is.
These
are
authorized
FTS.
Okay.
What
her
point
was
that
the
over
hires
that
we
normally
have
sometimes
in
the
academies,
are
not
in
our
ftes,
so
we
still
budget
for
them.
For
example,
this
year
we
have
more
afts
than
407,
because
I
look
at
this.
You
know
we're
short
on
the
line
because
they're
at
debts
or,
for
example,
2223
we
we
knew
they're
there,
so
we
had
to
budget
for
those
positions
and
so
and
and
every
year
that
we
we
go
through
that
process.
C
C
This
next
slide,
which
is
a
20
20
fiscal
year,
2023
adopted
budget
General
Revenue
fund,
he's
showing
that
we
had
a
9.2
increase
from
the
previous
budget
year.
The
previous
budget
year
was
222.2
Million
this
year
we
proposed,
or
the
revenue
for
fy20
223-
well
easy
242
million
dollars.
So
we
had
an
increase
of
20.5
million
dollars
from
last
second
year
to
the
school.
C
E
Coming
out
of
code
of
2022
right,
and
so
we
had
a
222
million
dollars,
that's
including
American
Recovery,
that's
including
the
ups
and
downs.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
stuff
happening
in
2022.
Yet
after
that,
we're
opening
them
back
up
we're
opening
up
different
services
that
we
have
happened
to
close
and
we
don't
have
American
Recovery
other
than
the
10
million
dollars.
We
still
had
to
find
20.5
million
dollars
next,
one.
C
F
F
E
Okay,
so
just
like
we
have
to
run
coming
in
white
Charter
were
dictated
to
balance
the
budget.
You
have
enough,
you
have
revenues,
you
have
expenses,
you
can't
be
over
and
under
in
any
one
of
them.
You
can't
spend
more
than
what
you
already
made.
So
basically
we
have
to
cut
expenses
to
be
able
to
equip
to
the
money
that
we
have
just
like
in
the
personal
budget.
You
only
make
500,
you
can
only
spend
500,
and
so
here's
where
we
are
where
we
spent
the
money.
C
E
C
C
Personnel
request
was
5.3
million
dollars
which
were
80
capacity,
82
positions
and
then
operation
requests
which
were
all
the
other
line,
items
Material
supplies,
office
supplies
and
all
that
we're
requesting
10.9
million.
So
out
of
the
32.8
million
that
were
requested,
we
were
able
to
approve
2.4
million
out
of
the
Personnel
that
was
being
request.
We
were
able
to
approve
1.9
million,
which
is
approximately
35
positions
out
of
the
82
requested
and
out
of
the
operational
request
that
they
did
were
able
to
approve
2.3
million
dollars.
E
F
C
C
This
is
the
history
of
our
tax
rate
tax
rate
history.
We
had
been
pretty
consistent
with
the
tax
rate
going
back
in
the
last
two
recent
years
is
where
we've
had
some
reductions
in
the
tax
rate.
So,
although
we're
having
growth
in
our
expenditures,
we're
having
less
money
now
coming
from
property
taxes
to
help
fund
those
expenditures,
so
this
year
is
the
tax
rate
for
the
city
that
was
approved
was
0.57
cents,
which
is
about
four
cents
less
than
the
last
year.
C
E
C
C
C
This
night
wanted
to
show
the
increases.
I
know
I
thought
somebody
had
asked
the
question
on
the
general
fund
Revenue
variances,
on
the
on
on
the
monies
that
we're
generating.
So
even
though
this
year
we
were
able
to
bring
20
million
dollars.
That
is
not
a
normal.
It
is
kind
of
an
anomaly
because
of
the
appraisals
that
were
so
high
this
year,
but
if
you
can
see
normally
five
million
six
million
at
the
most
or
the
standard
that
we're
gonna
get.
So
we.
I
C
Know
what
next
year
is
going
to
look
like,
but
more
than
likely
we're
not
going
to
get
another
20
million
dollars
coming
in,
because
the
the
property
of
places
already
went
too
high.
So
I
would
be
surprised,
very
surprised
if
that
comes
in
so
I'm.
Expecting
that
to
be
less,
which
is
going
to
put
a
challenge
on
us
for
the
next
particular
device.
C
History,
the
next
slide.
This
is
a
base
salary
versus
base
salary
versus
base
with
ad
pace.
So
this
is
a
slide
that
we
show
sometimes
in
in
our
budget
presentations
as
well.
We
have
an
average
salary
of
an
employee
without
a
pays
of
39
249
I,
never
sell
you
for
police
officers
about
81
775
and
the
average
salary
of
a
firefighter
is
approximately
eighty
thousand
three
Thirty
One.
This
is
without
advice.
When
we
look
at
the
app
page
the
day
with
that
base,
regular
employees
don't
have
address
they're
at
39.
They
remain
the
same
249..
C
J
C
The
average
yeah,
not
the
expenditures,
that's
for
the
department
or
or
total
or
by
category
by
group,
it's
just
an
average,
so
get
an
idea
of
what
it
is
with
the
app
Phase
and
without
the
office.
Yes,
and-
and
they
do
make
a
change,
they
do
have
an
impact
and
that's
why
we
have
been
trying
to
address
the
airplanes
in
some
of
our
proposals.
C
This
is
I
know
we
thought
that
some
of
the
on
the
pension
and
I
know
somebody
had
asked
me
if
I
had
some
numbers
on
the
pension
and
what
we
had
contributed.
This
is
a
history
going
back
to
2001
and,
as
you
know,
there
was
a
time
that
we
had
two
groups
of
pension
centers.
We
had
back
in
2001,
the
pension
contribution
was
14,
and
then
we
had
another
group
that
was
putting
in
12
12.
C
C
The
initial
was
14
and
then
from
here
on
WE
continued
to
do
increases
to
the
pension
moving
to
the
present
date
to
21.5.
So
we've
been
consistently
since,
since
2001
have
been
consistently
putting
in
more
money
into
the
pension
to
address
it
and
help
it
and
make
sure
it's
a
you
know
it's
in
a
healthy
environment,
but
it's
in
both
our
both
our
interests,
but
I
didn't
want
to
show
that
we
we
have
had
any
trees
all
throughout
this
several
contracts
going
back.
C
C
C
C
A
And
and
that,
because
that's
it
that's
good
to
point
out,
because
what
is
important
about
this
is
yes,
it's
not
just
base
pay
in
the
ad
pay,
but
with
all
of
the
contractual
obligations
that
the
city
has
in
this
collective
bargaining
agreement.
This
is
the
real
cost.
This
is
what
is
what
the
firefighters
really
earn
with
those
lump
sum
payments,
the
buying
back
of
the
sick
leave
or
whatever
leave
that
that
they
can
buy
back
the
the
ad
pays
as
their
integrated
into
overtime.
J
J
A
A
J
A
J
C
C
This
slide
shows
the
getting
on
the
radio
font
under
the
pension
at
21.
I
know
we
had
a
slide
on
this
one.
In
2022
we
funded
approximately
nine,
not
approximately
about
9.5
million
dollars
into
the
fire
pension,
since
2022
firefighters
have
increased
their
contribution
from
14
to
15.
So
there's
been
a
total
increase
of
one
percent.
We
are
not
considering
yet
the
one
that
had
just
gone
through
the
elections
and
got
voted
in,
which
is
we'll
take
it
to
an
additional
one
percent.
F
E
K
E
G
I
J
J
J
E
C
C
E
E
F
E
J
C
I
think
that's
what
I
think
about
this
live
shows
that
the
city
has
also
been
doing
what
they
have
to
do
because,
like
I
said,
we
do
have
a
vested
interest
and
we
have
been
doing
this
increases.
You
know
in
there
so
I
know
there
was.
There
were
some
comments
where
the
city
needs
to
step
to
the
table
and
yeah,
and
this
is
we're
showing
that
we
have
to
show
that
you
haven't
done
or
you
haven't,
done,
increases
or
decreased
to
your
benefits
of
increases,
but
we've
done
on
both
sides.
E
A
And
and
and
just
to
point
out
that
even
from
the
seven
percent
operations,
that's
not
enough
to
fend
to
fund
a
lot
of
the
equipments
and
the
other
contracts
that
the
department
has
to
have
or
go
through.
So
all
of
that
stuff
has
to
go
through
CIP,
which
requires
Bond
or
some
sort
of
other
financing
that
is
not
covered
by
the
fire
budget.
So
this
is
just
a
very
general
snapshot.
Picture
of
what
the
fire
budget
looks
like
with
regard
to
wages
and
operations,
foreign.
A
So
this
next
slide.
This
is
what
the
city
is
presenting
as
a
package
proposal
and
when
the
city
is
putting
together
a
package
proposal.
This
is
all-encompassing.
It's
not
one
you
can
pick
which
one.
This
is
an
entire
package
proposal
as
laid
out
and
we're
proposing
for
article
42,
the
duration
of
the
contract,
be
a
three-year
contract
to
end
September,
30th
2025.,
and
the
reason
that
it's
based
on
a
three-year
contract
is
because
we
have
taken
a
look
at
what
the
proposals
have
been
across
the
table.
A
One
of
the
main
priorities
and
issues
that
the
city
has
to
address
is
a
percentage
ad
pays
and
we
attempted,
with
a
in
good
faith,
with
a
proposal
to
restructure
the
ad
pays
in
a
way
that
would
not
take
anything
out
of
take
anything
away
from
the
current
firefighters
and
would
restructure
it
for
any
new
ones.
That
came
in.
A
In
light
of
that,
when
we
received
the
fire
Union's
ad
pay
proposal
on
top
of
the
increase
in
base
pay
that
it
was
already
asking
for
is
the
the
buy.
Basically,
the
buyout
for
outside
to
get
out
of
the
percentage
was
an
additional
five
percent
of
AD
pace
which
were
already
high
to
begin
with,
as
you're
as
we
showed
you
in
the
slide.
For
instance,
an
average
firefighter
makes
about
we'll
use
the
hundred
thousand
dollar
Mark
a
27,
the
average
17
percent
add
17.7,
add
pay
on.
A
That
is
an
additional
seventeen
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
on
top
of
that
in
ad
paid
for
a
total
of
just
a
general
base,
wage
and
AD
pay
of
a
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
seven
hundred.
So
in
order
to
better
evaluate
this,
we
thought
okay.
Well,
let's
put
the
money
where,
where
we
can
put
the
money
on
base
wages
but
not
affect
the
ad
pays,
because
the
ad
pays,
as
you
know,
are
already
at
6.6
million
dollars
in
actual
cost,
just
this
this
past
year
alone.
A
A
The
there's
two
other
articles
that
are
included
in
this
package
proposal
on
article
26.
We
have
the
political
activities
where
we
memorialize
in
the
contract
that
the
association
business
leave
cannot
be
used
for
political
activities.
It's
been
discussed
at
the
table
that
that
is
the
understanding
of
the
union
and
just
for
Best
Practices.
A
We
have
asked
to
memorialize
that
in
the
contract,
because
Association
business
lead
is
a
benefit
provided
by
the
city
through
the
contract
and
it's
a
and
because
of
the
legal
issues
with
political
activities
and
the
city's
funding
of
such
an
association
business
leave.
It
is
just
better
practice
and
in
the
cities
in,
but
both
parties
interest
to
include
that
in
the
contract.
So
it
is
clear.
A
And
that
be
that
the
maintenance
of
standards
are
with
regard
to
the
hours,
wages
and
Privileges
and
conditions
of
employment
at
the,
in
effect,
at
the
time
of
the
execution
of
the
agreement
and
subject
of
the
agreement,
and
that
a
maintenance
of
standard
does
not
impose
additional
contractual
obligations
that
are
not
maintained
within
that
contract.
It
also
clarifies
and
outlines
that
nothing
in
the
maintenance
of
standard
section,
article
32,
is
meant
to
eliminate
or
limit
the
rights
of
management,
as
described
in
article
6,
which
are
the
management
rights
of
the
contract.
A
You
can
see
the
it's
since
it's
a
lump
sum:
it's
not
a
recurring
cost,
and
so
we've
that
that
money
is
all
paid
up
at
the
at
the
beginning
of
the
con
at
the
beginning
of
each
fiscal
year.
So
the
firefighter
gets
the
benefit
of
that
immediately
at
the
beginning
of
each
fiscal
year,
and
the
cost,
as
you
see,
is
a
total
of
four
four
million
442
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eighty
million
dollars
in
new
money
towards
towards
the
contract.
B
A
A
Everything
else
clarify
anything
that
is
not
included
in
the
package
proposal
will
remain
the
same
in
the
contract,
so
everything
that
was
pending
that
we
had
proposed
the
Tas
right,
the
Tas
are
and-
and
that
should
have
been
a
point
and
I
need
to
to
add
that
that
the
Tas
that
we
have
already
done
remain
in
effect,
but
anything
else
that
was
still
pending
and
propose
that
we
have
an
outstanding
article.
The
package
proposal
is
that
those
remain
the
same
as
they
are
currently
in
the
contract.
J
F
A
And
so
let
me
yeah,
let
me
make
this
clear,
because
this
is
we
have
all
those
pending
right
and
we're
giving
you
a
package
proposal
we're
not
when
we're
dealing
with
the
package
proposal.
We're
saying
this
is
our
new
proposal
we'll
leave
this
and
we
can
add
the
bullet
points
to
say
this
includes
the
Tas,
and
any
remaining
articles
would
remain
the
same
as
part
of
this
package
proposal
to
any
remaining
articles.
Yeah,
any
remaining
articles
that
we
did
have
a
proposal
on
would
remain.
A
The
would
remain
the
same,
be
untouched
yeah,
but
that's
why
this
is
a
package
proposal.
These
are
the
articles
that
that
are
important
to
the
city
and
that
we
have
that
we
have
identified
as
a
city
that
need
to
be
that
need
to
be
addressed.
The
main
one
that
is
a
huge
concern
is
the
ad
pay.
We
understand
it's
an
extremely
difficult
item
and
I
think
that
what
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
doing
this
is
let's
what
the
city
would
like
to
propose
on.
A
That
is
leaving
it
alone
at
this
point,
but
maybe
starting
to
work
on
it
and
see
what
it
is
that
we
can
do
to
structure
that
so
that,
when
we're
done
with
the
three-year
contract
that
maybe
we
might
have
some
sort
of
solution,
that
would
benefit
both
the
firefighters
in
the
city
and
be
acceptable
to
both.
At
that
point,
foreign.
A
So
that's
a
that's
a
question
that
keeps
being
asked.
There
is
not
a
current
issue.
This
is
an
ass
from
from
the
city
in
order
to
be
able
to
maintain
or
to
have
their
own
leadership
team
in
terms
of
management
of
the
department,
and
so
that's
something
that's
important
to
the
city,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
that's
being
proposed
in
this
package
proposal.
A
B
F
E
I
think
we
all
had
some
concerns
about
choosing
captains.
Maybe
that
would
be
an
experience,
and
so
he
just
wants
to
have
the
ability
to
be
able
to
choose
another.
Member
of
the
team
wants
to
won
the
Terrors,
not
now,
when
someone
retires
and
to
do
our
district
two
things
if
you
also
wish,
if
that
is
a
concern
of
yours,
that
you're,
seeing
because
I
keep
hearing
things
about
well,
because
maybe
there
are
certain
captives,
maybe
there's.
K
It's
not
enough,
it's
more,
the
the
turnover
the
chief
is
no
longer
here,
so
the
next
chief
that
comes
in
kicks
his
assistant.
He
already
picks
a
deputy,
now
he'll
pick
another
deputy,
so
out
of
the
six
positions
at
the
top,
four
of
them
are
going
to
be
revolving
instead
of
having
three
stable
and
three.
E
E
D
A
What's
the
Uni's
position
or
what's
the
concern
with
allowing
the
the
deputy
or
the
the
chief
to
be
able
to
pick
his
his
own
leadership
team
because
their
skill
is
tested,
they're,
still
a
tested,
Deputy,
Chief,
Fire
position
and
they're
still
the
tested,
Fire
Marshal,
so
I
don't
understand
the
concern,
the
tone,
the
the
turnover
isn't
isn't
automatic
I
mean
the
fire
chief
can
choose
to
keep
to
keep
an
appointed
person
within
that
position.
Correct.
A
So
that's
that's
an
opportunity
there
that
doesn't
guarantee
that
there's
going
to
be
an
actual
turnover,
so
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
concern
is.
Having
the
the
chief
just
have
one
more
appointed
position
in
order
to
build
his
build
his
or
her
or
any
the
leadership
team
that
runs
this
department
so
that
there's
more
of
a
cohesiveness
with
regard
to
the
operations
of
the
department,
we'll.
D
Put
out
the
history
of
the
department
when
there's
been
a
turnover
in
Chief,
either
due
to
the
retirement
well
on
due
to
retirement
he's,
had
each
one
has
selected
a
brand
new
style
so
again
by
the
appointment,
as
opposed
to
the
the
testing
of
the
position.
It's
going
to
cause
a
higher
Eternal
void
in
the
upper
Administration.
D
E
A
Looks
like
it
would
be
just
a
benefit,
so
yeah
doesn't
that
create
I?
Well,
if,
if
you
look
at
it
as
a
turnover
or
a
new
Chief
coming
in
and
hiring
his
or
her
or
deciding
his
his
who
his
or
her
team
is
going
to
be,
doesn't
that
actually
benefit
the
rank
and
file
in
creating
an
additional
opportunity
for
somebody
in
the
ranks
to
actually
be
able
to
move
up?
That's.
A
For
right,
but
that's
the
testing
part
we're
talking
about
the
appointment
part.
So
when
you're
saying
that
there
may
be
a
higher
turnover
the
benefit
to.
If,
if,
if
that
in
fact
happens,
that
there
would
be
a
change
in
who
the
appointed
physician
was
that
actually
gives
an
opportunity
to
the
rank
and
file
in
order
to
get
a
higher
appointed
position
at
a
higher
rate.
At.
A
I
finish:
please
real,
quick
before
I
forget
I'll
forget
the
two.
The
two
tested
that
you
have
here
you've
already
said
have
been
here
for
10
years.
Yes,
so
they've
been
here
for
a
long
time,
and
so
then
you
have
a
tested
position
and
you
have
the
appointed
positions
and
then
you
create
an
opportunity
for
people
to
be
able
to
promote
up
rather
than
just
testing
and
waiting
for
a
you
know
the
the
people
that
had
been
there
for
10
years
or
more
to
retire
so
and
I
apologize.
H
A
I
I
A
A
A
K
A
This
is
our
package
proposal,
we're
still
negotiating
okay.
What
we're
telling
you
is
that
that
this
is
where
we're
at,
and
we
know
that
there's
all
these
other
pending
things,
but
when
we're
looking
at
it,
this
is
what
the
city
has
right.
Now,
it's
not
a
final
proposal.
It's
just
a
package
proposal
saying
these
are
the
things
that
are
important
to
us.
This
is
the
money
that
we
have
allocated.
That's
why
we're
and
we're
looking
at
the
three-year
contract.
H
A
H
H
A
See
what
change
the
percentage
you
know,
because
what
we're
looking
at
is
a
6.6
million
dollar
that
we
spent.
If
you
know,
one
thing
that
we
could
I
think
that
we've
talked
about
at
the
table
is
just
changing
the
percentage
to
a
flat
rate,
whatever
it
may
be
equal
to.
So
that's
something
that
may
may
be
considered
I'm,
not
restoring.
H
A
H
A
A
Yeah,
so
so
the
prop
the
the
thing
to
consider
and
I'm
glad
that
you
brought
it
up
because
I
had
it
in
my
notes
is
that
the
availability,
the
next
two
weeks
is
probably
none.
Okay,
so
we
just
have
to
take
that
into
consideration,
but
we're
we're
we're
willing
to
negotiate
and
we're
still
here
and
so
just
let
us
know
and
and
we
can
perform.
A
E
A
C
C
J
D
F
D
D
In
article
29,
health
and
life
insurance,
29.1
description,
there's
somebody's
language
is
reflecting
the
proposed
language
that
was
originally
done
on
behalf
of
the
city
129.1,
the
change
of
life
insurance.
Changing
the
information,
the
employer
contributes
agrees
to
contribute
100
of
the
city's
cost
of
a
it
changes
to
forty
thousand
dollars.
Life
insurance
with
double
like
indemnity
action
policy
for
each
member
of
the
fire
department
and
additional
the
employee
shall
provide
additional
7
000
accidental
death
policy
for
each
member
of
the
American
Fire
Department
29.2
Dental.
D
D
Benefits
program:
the
penny
shall
be
defined
as
them
and
limited
to
the
employees
spouse
his
or
her
children
and
NEC
children
legally
adopted
by
the
employer,
employee
or
the
spouse.
This
conversation
only
be
diminished
during
the
course
of
the
disagreement.
If
the
city,
the
coverage
of
the
city,
employees,
is
diminished
under
29.3,
we
left
the
language
as
proposed
by
the
city
which
basically
not
just
identifies
the
medical
coverage,
the
same
as
a
dental
with
the
same
wordage.
The
coverage
shall
only
be
diminished
during
the
course
of
this
agreement
to
the
city.
D
D
When
the
employee
retires,
the
rental
fire
department
begins
receiving
a
pension
under
a
memorial
firefighters,
retirement
system,
NFL
FRS,
formerly
known
as
a
fireman's
relief
and
retirement
fund.
The
city
will
pay
these
retirees
individual
medic
medical
coverage
until
the
retiree
reaches
the
age
of
65.
D
D
D
Yes,
so
that
they
would
stay
at
the
same
rate
currently
at
100
160
16.,
if
the
monthly
benefit
is
from
four
thousand
dollars
and
below
eight
thousand
dollars.
So
this
goes
between
like
four
thousand
to
below
eight
thousand
monthly.
The
premium
will
be
two
hundred
and
twenty
dollars
if
the
amount,
if
the
monthly
benefit
is
from
eight
thousand
dollars
or
more
to
below
twelve
thousand
dollars,
the
premium
will
be
two
hundred
eighty
dollars.
F
E
F
G
G
E
F
F
F
H
The
reason
the
way
we
got
the
tiers,
because
the
biggest
tier
currently
is
the
one
from
four
to
seven,
nine,
nine,
nine
right,
that's
the
biggest
tier
and
it's
about
46
of
most
retirees
are
in
that
tier,
so
going
forward
that
tier
will
probably
grow,
especially
with
these
retirements
that
are
coming.
So
as
long
as
that
tiers
are
50
percent
and
the
top
keeps
growing
and
the
the
bottom
will
phase
out.
Eventually,
you
can
just
get
that
tier
and
do
the
math.
E
L
H
F
G
E
D
C
And
it's
there
and
hopefully
now
we're
getting
the
reports
to
the
right
people
that
can
see
him
in
energy
monitor
so
we'll
see
right
away
how
it's
going,
but
as
long
as
you,
we
understand
that
there,
if
we
see
it
going
in
the
wrong
direction,
that
you
can
take
action
during
the
term
of
the
contract.
If
we
need
to
make
any
adjustment.
J
B
G
E
H
A
A
E
F
E
G
C
H
E
G
G
G
E
F
F
G
G
H
D
Language
that
was
proposed
by
a
city
to
provide
services,
the
lawyer
fire
department,
including,
but
not
limited,
fire
and
or
emergency
certain
Medical
Services.
It
went
through
one
Association
representative
who
may
provide
options,
opinion
style,
options,
opinions
and
Voice
issues
to
the
cities
designated
negotiating
representative
and
advisory
capacity.
Only
during
the
negotiation
process,
we're
proposing
to
put
a
fourth
4.4
for
any
Services
provided
by
the
Laredo
and
before
I
continue.
This
is
intended.
D
When
the
incorporated
city
limits,
the
rail
fire
department
will
be
the
Sole
Provider
of
said,
Services,
the
city
will
not
contract
with
any
governmental
entity
for
the
services
that
the
Royal
fire
department
provides
to
the
city
within
the
incorporated
city
limits
in
the
event
that
the
City
of
Laredo
annexes
any
additional
land,
the
Laredo
fire
department
will
be
the
Sole
Provider
of
said
Services.
The
intent
of
this
article
is
not
to
hinder
Mutual
Aid
agreements
under
4.5.
A
A
So
4.3
offers
the
Union
a
representative
who
may
provide
opinions
and
Voice
issues
in
an
advisory
capacity,
only
meaning
that
you
can
raise
those
concerns
and
those
issues
during
the
negotiations,
so
that
the
city
can
consider
them
and
hear
them
and
take
that
into
consideration
when
they're
negotiating
right.
So
that
means
that
it's
an
advisory
only
4.4.
The
way
that
it's
being
presented
does
not
clarify
that
it
actually
adds
limitations
and
that
go
beyond
the
advisory.
A
G
A
I
I
B
You're
saying
that
the
Laredo
fire
department
should
be
the
Sole
Provider
of
your
services
to
the
city
of
Arena
right
when
has
that
ever
not
been
the
case
has
someone
come
in
like?
Has
there
been
like
turf
wars
like
Austin
fire
comes
in
and
puts
out
fires
in
the
real
yeah?
So
so
so
so
that's
what
that's
where
I'm
confused
I,
don't
know
what
issue
this
is
addressing
I
understand,
4.5.
B
K
B
B
E
F
E
E
G
E
E
F
E
G
F
E
F
G
F
A
K
A
Incorporated
city
limits,
if
the
fire
department
operations
are
overwhelmed
with
some
major
emergency,
you
have
an
airport
here,
you
have
do
you
have
military
facilities
here
you
have
a
college
and
something
doesn't
come
in
and
we
have
an
interlocal
agreement
with
the
county
or
the
next
big
city
to
say
we
need.
We
need
to
contract
you
to
be
our
backup
for
emergency
services
that
the
City
of
Laredo
fire
department
has.
This
actually
does
not
allow
us
to
do
that.
A
It
says
the
city
will
not
contract
with
any
government
entity
for
the
services
of
the
Laredo
fire
department
provides
the
city
within
the
incorporated
city
limits.
We
simply
as
a
city
cannot
even
contemplate
or
consider
that
kind
of
a
limitation
because
of
the
public
safety
implications
and
the
services
that
we
have
to
provide.
As
you
know,
the
city
has
a
limited
budget.
We
have
what
we
have
with
you
know
with
the
fire
department.
D
D
A
Even
though
it
has
that
that
conflicts
with
the
very
clear
meaning
of
the
city
will
not
contract
with
any
government
entity
in
the
services
for
the
Laredo
that
the
City
of
Laredo
provides
so
so
that's
an
issue,
and
this
goes
beyond
what
has
already.
This
is
not
clarifying
language,
because
it
goes
beyond
the
advisory
capacity
that
is
allowed
by
4.3,
where
we
give
you
a
seat
at
the
table
to
advise
to
provide
advice
and
put
your
concerns
in
there.
A
But
still
yet
the
city
at
this
point
in
the
current
contract
has
the
ability
in
the
management
right
to
negotiate
the
contract,
to
the
terms
that
are
benef
most
beneficial
to
the
city
and
then
accomplish
the
goals
for
those
contracts,
part
of
that
being
the
public
safety
safety
for
the
City
of
Laredo.
And
so
this
adds
for
this
ask
for
more.
It
provides
too
many
limitations
on
the
city
and
it
creates
a
public
policy
and
a
public
safety
issue.
E
A
C
F
E
F
G
E
G
G
I
mean
we're
talking
about
what
you
said
earlier:
contract
someone
else
to
come
in
run
these
services
in
an
emergency,
your
Mutual
age
or
mou
is
kick
into
place
except
you
have
one
through
rag
cheat
them.
You
have
one
with
the
MTF
as
well.
So
that's
that's
a
government
entity.
That's
kind
of
government
funded,
but
it's
privately
ran
to
Iraq's
ETF.
A
A
G
The
intent
is
not
to
prevent
in
case
your
emergency
calling
extra
help
like
I
said:
we've
had
situations
where
our
bus
rolls
over
and
work
hand
in
hand
with
private
ambulances,
so
our
units
take
the
most
critical
they
realize
and
that's
how
we
give
you
up
the
work.
So
we
don't
use
all
all
our
units
don't
respond
to
that
call
we'll
use
like
half
of
them
or
more
than
half,
but
we
won't
register
the
city
completely
enable
to
do
any
other
transports
because
we
used
up
all
our
ambulances
at
one
cost.
G
We
would
only
be
able
to
transport
20
something
and
I'd
be
able
to
do
the
whole
30,
but
we
don't
want
to
render
the
whole
city
unable
to
service
anybody
else,
so
we
don't
call
all
our
units
at
that
point,
we
activate
that
mutilate
with
private
absences
and
dispatch
who
have
done
the
line
comment
within
code.
That's
not
what
we're
trying
to
stop,
but.
B
G
Was
way
back,
probably
more
than
12
years
ago
we
were
doing
accounting
services-
okay
and
there
was
a
contract
between
the
city
and
the
county
for
extremely
cheap
okay,
and
we
were
using
six
fire
trucks
at
a
time
on
those
calls
we're
out
there
12-hour
days
and
the
city
after
the
city
was
left
without
any
units,
okay
and
and
then
we
said,
can
we
backfill
and
there's
like?
Are
we
gonna
get
the
money
to
backfilled.
G
B
F
A
G
A
And
I
think
that
the
language
proposed
by
the
city
does
just
that
for
4.3
three,
because
that
was
our
initial
proposal.
It
was
only
a
clarifying
proposal,
and
that
was
it
to
close
to
to
make
sure
that
we
knew
that
it
was
only
when
it
involved
the
fire
department
and
the
firefighters
that
that's
when
The
Advisory
person
from
the
union
would
be
able
to
provide
a,
but
you
know
an
advisory
opinion
now
and
we,
you
had
elected,
not
to
bring
anything
forth
with
that.
A
But
now
we've
just
added
for
clarity,
clarification
now,
you're,
adding
all
these
limitations
and
asking
that
the
city
give
up
some
of
its
management
rights
and
its
rights
to
negotiate
in
the
intergovernmental
contracts.
And
so
you
know
it's
it's
asking
for
more
I.
Think
I
see
this
moving.
You
know
that
this
this
negotiation
on
seems
to
some
start
moving
backwards.
Rather
than
forwards,
I
thought
we
were
getting
closer
and
now
you're
adding
a
whole
other
pursuit
of
requests.
E
You
know
what
it
just
like.
You
said
a
lot
of
other
things
and
going
back
before
when
we
get
that
call
from
someone
in
the
state
I
think
it's
EMP
that
we
mentioned
and
then
there's
there's
asking
for
assistance
for
a
firefighter
to
go
out.
There
is
a
contract
or
Moulin
Stein
you're
saying
on
that
spit
of
an
emergency,
because
I
know
the
chief
has
called
me
Rosario.
They
need
to.
E
K
E
K
G
D
G
F
A
G
A
G
G
G
A
And
4.5
make
4.3
a
non-advisory
position,
because
now
it's
saying,
although
we
have
an
advisory,
you're
stuck
to
4.4
and
4.5,
and
you
can
only
make
agreements
within
this
parameter
and
for
the
same
reasons
that
I've
stated
before,
which
would
go
against
public
policy
and
the
ability
to
provide
the
required
Public
Safety
be
able
to
be
prepared
for
emergencies
in
emergency
response,
which
is
the
very
thing
that
this
department
does.
It
would
hinder
that
and
I
don't.
Even
though
you
have
the
intent
in
this
article
is
not
to
hinder
Mutual
Aid
agreements.
A
A
A
G
G
Does
it
right
so
then
we
said
well,
if
you
have
a
local
local
agreement
right,
we
said
well
we're
going
to
find
those
agreements.
If
we
don't
have
them
we're
going
to
do
them,
but
we
also
read
in
those
laws
that
or
the
statues
that
those
things
could
be
contracted
away
from
us
and
the
city
doesn't
have
the
liability,
the
contract
with
an
incorporated
city
within
Webb
County.
We
have
a
couple
of
them:
they
contract
with
them.
They
send
their
contract.
You
guys
put
if
any
of
our
guys
get
hurt,
helping
you
guys
out.
G
B
To
do
this
already
you're
Contracting
for
something,
that's
uniquely
that
some
people
love
vegetation,
okay,
things!
Why
and
again
on
4.4
I
know
we're
not
there,
but
my
answer
still
has
I
mean
my
question
still
hasn't
been
answered.
What
was
what
was
the
issue?
Because
when
I
read
4.4,
it
sounds
like
you're
trying
to
set
up
a
monopoly
that
you
already
have
on
fire
and
EMS
service
in
Laredo.
B
So
my
question
is:
what's
the
point
I
would
like
to
know,
and
it
again
in
my
Limited
in
my
limited
understanding
of
what
you
do.
Please
tell
me
what
issue
this
is
addressing
and
what
it's
terrifying,
because
if
it's
not
clarifying
anything,
then
we're
just
going
back
and
forth
for
no
reason
and
just
wasting
time.
That's
all
I'm
asking
if
I
just
have
an
answer
for
that
question.
A
B
It's
not
clarifying.
Are
you
not
it's
water?
So
why
put
that
in
there
I
mean
if
I
get
hurt
at
my
house,
I'm
not
expecting
San
Antonio
EMS
to
get
there
it's
y'all,
and
if
it's
San
Antonio
I'm,
like
oh,
my
God,
what's
going
on
at
the
fire
department,
I
mean
come
on
guys
you're
setting
up
a
monopoly
that
you
already
have
so
4.4
is
mere
service.
It
means
absolutely
nothing
so
we're
just
spinning
our
Wheels
over
a
provision
that
is
not
applicable
at
all
and
it
doesn't
clarify
4.3
4.5
I'll,
give
it
to
you.
B
D
I
A
D
G
G
K
K
G
A
A
Right,
it's
recognized
by
the
actuary,
but
I'd
like
we
were
just
wondering.
When
will
that
one
percent
start
being
paid
by
the
firefighters,
because
what
you're
asking
I
mean
you're
asking
the
city
to
to
put
in
in
the
third
year,
and
we've
been
talking
about.
You
know,
through
the
life
of
the
contract,
that,
when
the
firefighters
have
voted,
to
amend,
to
increase
their
contribution,
one
percent
which
would
go
from
what
15
to
16.
When
does
that
become
effective.
G
A
K
D
G
G
F
C
A
Included
on
the
overall
report,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
fund
the
benefit
of
having
that
one
percent
being
contributed
into
the
fund
that
actually
plays
in
the
the
sooner
you
contribute
the
one
percent,
the
healthier
the
fun
will
be
right.
Of
course,
the
sooner
the
better.
So
if
you
started
say
October
one
Whatever
on
January
1
of
2023,
that
would
put
your
Fund
in
a
better
position
right
financially.
G
E
F
G
Because
this
is
no
for
right,
no
there's
no
end
date
to
this
pension
right,
600,
lf3000,
the
pension
director.
Other
than
that
there
is
no
end
point.
So
it's
it's
not
a
short
game
that
we're
playing
here.
It's
a
long
game.
It's
not
like!
Oh
January,
is
the
best
day
because
I've
said
everything
solved.
It's
not
next
report
right,
good
or
bad,
so
this
is
just
for
calculation.
A
snapshot
what's
happening
right
now,
and
they
try
to
project
four
years
out
six
years
out.
G
A
A
And
if
you
look
in
2021
somebody
with
over,
there
was
806
active
retirees
with
over
30
years
and
the
most
that
they
can
get
is
four
thousand
six
hundred
four
dollars
and
fourteen
cents.
You
have
the
people
who
meet
the
20-year
retirement
and
the
20-year
retirement
between
20
and
25
years.
Their
average
monthly
benefit
is
one
thousand
eight
hundred
sixty
dollars
and
82
cents,
and
that's
after
that's
20
to
25
years
can.
G
A
They
have
one
plan
that
they
can
pick,
but
tmrs
is
one
plan,
but
then,
when
you
retire,
you
have
different
options
on
the
life
of
the
retirement.
You
can
do
a
certain
number
of
years.
You
can
do
but
they're
all
they're,
not
very
different
in
the
in
the
it
doesn't
make
a
huge,
huge
difference
in
the
amount
of
retirement
that
you
can
get
so
tmrs
is
One
Fund.
You
have
a
couple
of
options,
and
this
is
just
an
average
of
What.
G
A
Seven
percent
of
their
they're
required
it's
a
mandatory
seven
percent,
and
then
you
and
then
it
was
brought
up
that
well,
the
city.
The
city
contributes,
what
is
it
14,
yeah
two
to
one
and
but
the,
but
the
reality
is,
is
that
the
the
salaries
are
not
as
high
as
the
firefighters
and
then
the
the
benefit
payouts
are.
E
E
G
G
E
G
H
A
Of
that
15
includes
the
Social
Security
that
you
will
not.
You
would
normally
pay
or
normally
be
taken
out
of
your
paycheck.
Isn't
that
right
so
part
of
that
15
that
you
pay
into
your
pension
would
include
the
same
kind
of
percentage
that
a
general
employee
pays
for
their
social
security
Medicare
on
their
wage
on
their
wage
check
and
that's
including.
B
C
F
I
G
G
The
20.75
is
based
on
last
year's
Good,
Year
I
assure
you
next
year,
when
you
get
the
bills
you're
going
to
be
way
above
21.,
because
before
that
we've
had
Fatt
ears
those
sides-
the
city
has
been
above
21
as
well
City
charge,
says
7
and
14..
The
city
Junction
is
another,
seven
percent
helps
out
and
nothing
has
to
be
taken
away
from
anybody.
E
G
C
G
A
So
I
guess
what
what
y'all
are
saying
is
that,
although
we
have
we've,
we
paid
the
unfunded
liability
on
the
tmrs
that
you
were
talking
about.
We
also
pay,
in
addition
to
everything,
the
contributions
that
we
make.
We
also
pay
on
the
on
the
oh
on
the
unfunded
liability
for
the
fire
and
the
police
for
the
pension
benefits.
C
C
C
E
G
C
Guess
on
the
20
and
the
20
20.75,
overcoming
saying
part
of
the
reason
as
it
is
for
it's
a
ketchup
or
when
we
change
from
the
five
seven
to
the
714
tonight,
So.
Eventually,
those
numbers
are
going
to
start
coming
down
as
we
find
those
liabilities,
I
think
back
in
2015
we're
at
like
a
20.36
60
20.48
and
it's
already
got
going
down
to
21.35
2107,
299
298.
So
a.
G
G
E
F
A
A
You
know
we
have
where
you're
asking
for
on
Article
4
the
association
asked
for
limitations
on
the
city's
ability
to
negotiate
the
intergovernmental
contracts,
an
Article
15
you're,
asking
for
a
one-year
lump
sum
payment
of
twenty
eight
hundred
dollars
a
year,
two
increase
of
2.5
percent
on
the
base
pay,
which
also
increases
the
ad
pays
year.
Three:
an
increase
in
2.5
percent
in
base
pay,
which
also
increases
the
at
the
the
ad
pays
and
then
in
article
30,
a
one
percent
increase
in
the
contribution
to
the
pension
funding
year.
A
A
F
A
D
A
C
D
A
We
had
condition
we
had
placed
some
money
on
the
table
with
conditions.
We
have
our
package
proposal,
which
did
not
include
a
proposal
on
article
30.,
and
so
what
I'm
asking
is
this?
This
fire
Union
has
placed
this
package
asking
for
the
city
to
give
up
management
rights,
additional
monies,
which
you
have
estimated
to
cost
approximately
5.8
or
5.9
million
dollars.
I
I
F
J
A
So
and
I
guess
what
I?
What
I'm
just
asking
is:
you're
asking
us
to
give
up
management
rights
and
put
new
monies
towards
the
contract,
but
yet
I
don't
see
anything
that
is
being
offered
to
the
city
in
exchange
for
that-
and
this
is
a
negotiation,
so
I'm
just
asking:
is
there
anything
that
you
are
willing
to
offer
the
city
in
exchange
for
the
giving
up
the
manage
the
certain
management
rights
you've
outlined
and
the
additional
Monies
to
the
contract.
A
I
And
we
don't
argue
with
that:
I
think
every
other
student
player
also
deserves
third
compensation.
You
know
I
think,
there's
waste
studies.
You
know
coming
down
that
you
know
hopefully
you're
just
sitting.
Parents
will
also
you
know,
get
an
adjustment,
you
know
and
I
know
they
have
been
getting
adjustments.
E
I
I
H
H
H
And
the
City
of
Laredo
government
is
here
to
represent
the
citizens
and
their
best
interests
and
I
mean
in
that
survey
that
we've
talked
about
one
of
the
first
days.
Public
Safety
was
third
highest
priority
for
the
citizens
of
Laredo
absolutely
and
we're
not
trying
to
we're
not
trying
to
derail
that
it's
just
asking
for
our
members,
basically
to
get
Fair
compensation
for
the
rising
amount
of
inflation.
That
is
here
we're
not
here,
like
I,
said
Tony
said
we're
not
here
to
represent
other
citizens,
I
mean
other
employees.
B
When
you
say
you're
looking
for
fair
compensation,
there's
an
implicit
in
that
statement
is
that
you
believe
as
of
right
now,
you
are
not
fairly
compensated
and
implicit.
In
that
statement,
that's
implied
So
when
you
say
that
when
you
look
at
how
little
compared
to
other
cities,
that
is
not
the
case.
The
the
map
with
all
due
respect,
is
not
on
your
side.
The
numbers
are
not
on
your
side
with.
H
Regard
to
that,
you
could
look
at.
You
could
look
at
cities
across
the
border
that
are
somewhat
similar
and
they're.
Getting
four
or
five
percent
raises:
no,
no,
no!
No!
No!
We're
not
arguing
for
extreme
nothing
extreme,
all
that
but
I'm
just
saying
like.
If
you
want
to
look
at
the
numbers,
there
is.
H
C
I,
convert
that
if
I
take
that
amount
and
divide
it
by
the
550
000
The,
increased
percentage
for
the
28
is
2.38,
the
3000
is
2.76
and
the
3200
is
2.9
that
that's
what
it
equates
to
a
percentage.
The
reason
we're
doing
that
is
because
this
does
not
impact
us
on
the
access
and
it
helps
us
with
the
base
pay
so
that
we
can
get
in
two
three
years
on
and
that's
what
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
always
kind
of
set
with
less
it's
too
far.
C
C
True
true
so
I
just
want
to
kind
of
say,
for
example,
I
think
we're
close,
because
you're
I
mean
you're
asking
for
2.5
or
years
two
and
three
and
the
percentage
that
we
have
or
the
money
that
we
have
in
the
table
is
2.76
and
2.94
and
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
our
last
proposal
on
the
pension
was
1.25.
It
was
0.25
for
the
five
years.
I
D
C
F
C
A
He's
not
saying
that
the
2.5
is
at
the
2.5,
but
in
the
end,
when
you're
putting
a
2.5
increase
on
the
base
pay,
it
increases.
It
automatically
increases
the
ad
pay.
So
when
you
use
the
increase
in
the
base,
pay
and
calculate
the
additional
ad
paid
that
the
city
will
be
obligated
to
pay
that
actually
totals
to
about
a
2.75.
If.
A
C
D
Other
no,
no,
no!
No,
we
understand
we
understand
and
what
we're
trying
to
I
guess
bring
out
to
remind
the
fact
of
every
department
is
just
as
important
it's
a
what
it
entails
is.
It
is
a
completely
different.
You
know
it's
it's
not
a
translation
of
hour
for
hour.
You
know
job
responsibility,
job
responsibility,
you
know
our
life
expectancy
is
a
lot
less.
We
know
that
so
and.
D
D
E
D
Well,
what
I'm,
trying
to
tell
you
is
that
it's
being
proven
that
the
life
expectancy
of
firefighters
is
less
our
mental
health
throughout
our
life
of
our
of
our
of
our
throughout
our
career
is
a
big
factor
and
I
understand.
There
is
individuals
out
there
working
in
110
degree
Heat,
but
yeah,
but
it's
just
you
know,
you're.
Comparing
that
to
that
we
do
the
same.
It's
a.
We
are
we're
fully
geared
driving
up
that
body
temperature,
so
that
does
affect
the
life
expectancy,
two
again
mental
health.
It's
not
the
same.
D
You
know
when
you're,
comparing
jobs
of
working.
You
know
one
job,
you
know
whatever
physical
manual
labor
as
it
is
to
basically
the
job
that
we're
providing
the
service
that
we're
providing.
You
know,
Kobe,
really
a
really
I
guess,
highlighted
the
capability
of
our
department
and
what
it's
being
used
for
and
how
it
can
be
adjusted.
As
you
know,.
H
L
D
To
go
through
it
also,
we
have
we
Face
a
high
cancer
risk,
not
just
from
you
know
the
things
that
are
burning
or
not
burn
a
lot
faster
burn
a
lot.
There
are
more
carcinogens.
We
understand
that
and
that's
always
been
kind
of
under
under
understanding.
That's
why
we
have
the
gear
that
we
have
that
we
carry
it's
to
protect
us
from
those
environments,
but
it's
recently
come
out
that
the
gear
that
we're
using
to
protect
ourselves
is
now
also
causing
us
cancer.
F
E
D
Just
trying
to
I'm
just
trying
to
you
know
put
forward
because
we're
going
back
to
what
was
considered
Fair
compensation.
You
know
so
I
unders,
so
I
understand
you
know
again
through
our
career
this.
This
is
not
going
to
be
a
job
where
you
know
beyond
55.
We
can
still
be
working
this
if
we
reach
the
age
of
65
55.
It's
that's
a
long
career
beyond
that
the
K,
the
the
risk
that
the
that
career
carries
is
magnified.
F
B
A
very
Noble
profession
to
want
to
say
to
someone
who
is
not
your
relative
I,
get
that
I
understand
that
and
I
when
I
was
saying
about
the
third
compensation.
I
just
took
issue
with
saying
you
just
want
to
be
paid.
What's
fair,
implicit
in
that
statement
is
we
are
not
being
paid
therapy
right
now
and
what
I'm
telling
you
from
an
economic
standpoint
when
you
look
at
other
cities,
you
are
one
of
the
highest
paid,
if
not
the
highest
paid
and.
D
B
B
F
E
I
can't
pay
them
more
because
we
can't
afford
more
and
so
we're
trying
to
balance
it
out
somewhere,
because
you
are
very
valuable.
If
not,
we
would
say
no
to
the
fire
department.
You
know,
if
best
of
equipment
no
to
the
fire
department
for
for
all
the
operators,
we're
not
saying
that
we're
saying
yes,
but
give
us
a
break.
Let
us
balance
this
other
thing
too,
and
that's
why
we
cut
it
down
to
three
years
so
that
we
can
try
to
help
them
out
and
balance
it
out
too.
E
We're
not
saying
no
and
I
think
that
we
have
a
very
good
plan
to
say
you
know
who
would
not
want
an
additional
three
thousand
dollars
a
year
more
and
that's
what
we're
offering
to
them
and
you're
telling
us?
No
it.
It
feels
again
like
we're
coming
back
when
you
all
said:
no
we're
not
going
to
help
we're
asking
you
for
your
help.
That's
what
we're
doing
I.
E
D
Hear
you
we're
trying
we're
trying
to
get
that
middle
ground?
We're
trying
to
you
know,
come
down
and
work.
Sorry,
but
again,
like
I,
say
going
back
to
what
you're
bringing
up
because
of
what?
What
can
I
pay
this
employee
compared
to
the
employee,
because
I
have
to
pay
you
the
life
again.
Life
expectancy
is
drastically
skewed
because
of
the
profession
itself.
C
F
C
I,
the
last
lecture,
also
we
have
the
the
life
expectancy-
was
one
of
the
tables
that
was
adjusted
and
the
life
expectancy
is
now
better
than
it
was,
which
is
poor.
So
this
last
one
that
we
did
in
the
actuarials
for
the
Actuarial
studies.
That
was
one
of
the
impacts
to
the
pension,
because
the
life
expectancy
table
went
up
so
now,
firefighters
are
leaving
more
and
they're
going
to
get
a
check
for
a
longer
time
too.
So
it
is
going
in
the
library
that
it
has
been
an
issue
and
I
think
it.
C
It
touches
with
what
Oscar
was
saying
that
we're
putting
money
into
the
firestarter's
training,
equipment
and-
and
that
is
diminishing,
which,
which
is
shown
by
those
mortality
tables
that
are
being
used.
So,
yes,
it
has
been
a
problem
for
an
issue
or
a
reaction
salary,
but
it's
something
that
is
improving
so
hopefully
one
day
we
would
what
we
would
like
to
see
that
table
match
other
job
titles
so
and
it's
moving
in
that
direction.
D
Okay,
because
yeah
and
and
the
reason
I
tell
you-
is
that
yes,
an
increase
in
in
life
expectancy
from
58
to
60
is
an
increase
because
of
the
steps
that
are
being
taken.
Oh
you're,
getting
an
extra
two
years
to
live
when
every
other
employee
because
of
their
job
because
of
their
job
and
their
exposure
to
whatever
risk
they
have
is
at
78..
D
So
it's
an
18-year
difference.
It's
a
whole
career
difference
worth
of
what
we're
what
we're
talking
about
here.
These
are
numbers.
You
know
the
fire
service
has
has
the
issued
throughout
the
country.
These
the
numbers
are
real.
Like
I,
say
the
service
we've
provided,
compare
it
to
other.
To
compare
sorry,
comparing
to
other
municipalities.
D
D
E
K
G
D
L
I
agree
with
everything
that
is
being
said
today,
but
we
also
got
to
see
the
other
part
of
the
employees
that
did
do
the
solid
ways
that
did
do
the
water
that
did
do
without
the
protection.
We
also
were
just
as
vulnerable
as
you
are,
were
we
also
suffered
mortality
on
on
our
end.
We
didn't
announce
it.
F
F
L
Sit
on
the
workers,
comp
I
got
to
see
it
in
our
life
insurances.
The
City
of
Laredo
employees
were
Forefront
of
this
entire
processes.
It
was
an
unknown
epidemic
that
nobody
had
ever
experienced.
We
were
all
adjusting
the
entire
city
of
Laredo.
We
showed
up
every
single
day,
including
Linda
I.
Never
did
not
show
up
to
work
to
do
my
job
and
as
most
of
these
people
sitting
at
this
table,
we
all
did
the
same.
So
I
cannot
dispel
a
city
employee
and
treat
one
one
better
than
the
other.
Everyone
did
their
their
job.
E
C
I
can
just
bring
it
up
because
I
think
we're
trying
to
find
a
way
like
okay
is
saying
we
have
limited.
Revenues
are
coming
in.
We
know
we're
gonna
have
that
study
coming
in
for
the
rest
of
the
employees
and
they're
going
to
come
in
and
they're
going
to
say.
This
is
what
you
all
need
to
do.
You
know
and
it's
going
to
cost
money.
Unfortunately,
so
you
know
we're
looking
at
it
and
where
do
we
I
mean
we
haven't
limited
money?
That's
coming.
F
C
F
D
C
It
is,
for
example,
next
next
year
I
mean,
hopefully
it
is
20
million
that
we
get
next
year.
I
mean
I,
would
love
it,
but
I
mean
I,
don't
think
the
taxpayers
would
like
it,
because
it
means
more
taxes
and
unfortunately,
we're
trying
to
read
in
addition
to
that,
we're
trying
to
reduce
that
tax
rate,
but
in
taking
ahead
there's
things
that
we're
working.
F
F
E
C
F
C
E
D
Yeah
and
like
I,
say
we're
trying
to
be
responsible
and
lean
understand
the
city
stance
of
where
they
need
to.
You
know
where
other
I
wouldn't
say:
English
I
wouldn't
wishes,
but
needs
yes,
but
you
can
undertake
as
many
pro
or
you
can
want
to
undertake
as
many
projects
as
it
is.
But
but
she's
I
mean
it
goes
back
to
basically
every
person's
budget.
You
know
it
doesn't
matter.
If
it's
a
city
or
a
single
person's
budget,
everybody
wants
to
underdo.
You
know
what
I
want
I
want
to
do.
A
Okay,
we're
back
we're
back
on
the
Record
5
57
p.m.
Friday
October,
7th,
we're
looking
at
the
the
union
has
given
us
their
package
proposal.
I
need
to
take
it
back
to
the
I,
need
to
go
back
to
the
city
and
I
need
to
visit
with
my
client,
and
we
need
to
confer
more
on
it
and
we
we
do
plan
to
present
a
counter
proposal
to
that.
So
we're
asking
I
guess
on
October
11th
is
the
last
day,
but
we're
asking
for
an
extension.
A
K
A
So,
at
any
rate,
if
something
if
a
date
comes
up
available
like,
for
instance,
if
my
trial
doesn't
last
as
long
or
something
or
and
we
can
get
everybody
together,
we'll
work
on
the
most
recent
date
that
we
can
set
something
and
maybe
try
to
do
another
two
day
like
we
have,
but
where
we're
requesting
the
ability
to
counter
propose
the
the
Union's
last
package
proposal
and
so
we're
requesting
the
need
for
a
two
extensions.
So
actually.