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From YouTube: Collective Bargaining Meeting, 10/06/2022
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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 10/06/2022
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Well,
there
is
a
little
hiccup
with
that.
The
grievance
I
was
filed
was
for
the
memo
that
was
placed
out
addressing
a
certain
language
which
was
corrected
in
them
with
the
memo.
But
then
the
policy
came
out
right
after
that,
and
it
mirrors
the
same
language
that
was
in
the
original
agreements.
From
the
memo.
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The
outside
employment
policy
were
you,
but
it
sounds
like
they
still
have
not
yet
been
dismissed,
and
then
the
we
had
the
outstanding
one.
With
regard
to
the
memo
that
was
Mr
legal,
wasn't
here
last
week,
the
last
time,
so
we
hadn't
been
able
to
discuss
that,
but
so
what?
What
is
the
status
of
all
of
those
are
those
going?
The
the
two
on
the
outside
employment
policy.
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Exchange
your
papers
an
hour
for
hours
and
it's
always
been
understood
three
two
five
tubes
ago,
anything
for
30
minutes
an
hour
two
hours,
whatever
was
needed
as
long
as
it
was
paid
back
hour
for
an
hour.
The
whole
purpose
of
this
article
is
so
that
someone
will
be
there
at
work
covering
the
shift
and
it
had
nothing
to
do
with.
Who
was
there
or
I
wanted
individual
yeah?
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So
he
also
included
a
wording
as
a
if
90
or
less
of
the
FTE,
Staffing
or
firefighters,
and
the
payback
has
to
be
completed
with
the
time
frame
certain
times.
If
there's
more
in
in
our
article
has
always
been
you
set,
the
payback.
The
standard
rule
is
120
days
over
to
see
two
Sosa
steel
and
the
insurance
place.
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So
currently
on
10.4,
this
is
under
duty
hours,
says.
Firefighters
may
be
granted
up
to
five
exchanges
per
month
upon
the
approval
of
the
fire
stations,
District
Chief,
captain
or
acting
Captain
further,
provided
that
the
person
filling
in
as
part
of
the
exchange
is
qualified
to
perform
the
duties
for
the
person
requesting
the
exchange
that
such
exchange
will
not
disrupt
normal
fire
department
operations.
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I
And
the
grievance
is
mostly
dealing
with
the
paybacks
correct
because
the
exchanges
are
according
to
the
I'm.
So
sorry,
as
far
as
the
policy
is
concerned,
you're
allowed
to
have
under
the
policy
five
exchanges
which
is
in
the
contract
and
then
abacs
is
not
limited
to
five
paybacks
a
month.
That's
not
the
limitation
so
is
is
the
grievance
based
on
the
limitations
and
time
or
the
amount
of
times
in
which
you
can
kick
the
payback
down
the
road
Varsity.
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The
the
least
amount
of
exchange
you
can
do
is
four
hours.
The
minimum
amount
of
time
and
I
know
why
it's
come
up,
because
I
personally
have
done
it.
I'll
get
in
exchange
for
two
hours,
then
I'll
take
an
eight
hour
sick
leave
because
under
our
policy,
I
can
leave
at
10
A.M,
so
I'll
have
the
captain
in
the
morning
cover
for
me
two
hours,
we'll
do
a
two
hour,
Exchange
and
then
I'll
take
in
our
city.
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If
I
typically
went
eight
to
four
say,
I
needed
I
would
be
back
at
five.
It
wouldn't
fit
my
schedule,
so
I
can
do
an
exchange
and
then
shift
the
eight
hours
back.
What's
allowed
under
the
policy.
Can
we
do
the
eight
hours
so
that
it
mirrors
the
overtime
policy?
So
we
don't
have
basically
double
Staffing,
so
we've
formulated
them
this
way
so
that
we
can
there's
always
someone
that.
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Signed
off
on
it,
he
made
the
tweaks
he
wanted,
and
so
that
was
put
in
the
last
card.
Does
the
exchange
policy,
the
signal
policy
and
the
overtime
policy?
It's
not
in
the
contract.
It's
agreed
on
by
the
president
and
the
fire
chief
mirrors.
These
eight-hour
blocks
so
that
we
don't
have
double
Staffing.
The
issue
is
always
double
staffed.
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Of
Standards,
because
a
main
of
standards,
this
in
this
provision
is
not
intended
as
a
catch-all
for
the
union
just
to
be
able
to
grieve
or
say
well,
City.
You
are
more
generous
than
what
the
contract
did
now
you're
contractually
obligated,
because
we
have
this
weird
catch-all
phrase:
that's
not
what
that's
intended.
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When
we
propose
this,
we
propose
it
because
of
what
the
discussion
had
been,
because
we
discussed
the
article
on
maintenance
of
Standards
before
we
did
that,
and
it
becomes
important
when
we
have
things
like
this,
because
we
have
different
Chiefs
all
the
time.
We
don't
always
have
the
same
Chief
and
different
Chiefs
like
to
run
their
departments
differently.
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So
sometimes,
even
though,
and
and
I
keep
hearing,
you
know,
this
is
past
practice,
or
this
is
what's
always
been
done
or
whatever
just
because
it's
always
been
done
or
you
deem
it
and
you're
in
in
you
deem
it
as
past
practice,
which
is
a
an
actual
legal
legal
term
that
has
different
elements.
It
must
need
I.
Don't
have
them
in
front
of
me
and
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
those
to
you,
but
it's
it's
illegal.
It's
a
legal
issue
when.
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But
right
and
so
any
time
that
you
know
we're
set
by
the
contract
and
I've,
had
this
discussion
before
and
say,
for
instance,
everything's
going
very
smoothly.
We
have
you,
know
extra
staff,
you
know
people
we're
like
okay,
you
can
do
exchanges
more
often
than
the
five
you
know,
or
you
can
do
it
this
way,
because
the
contract
says
that
you're
allowed
up
to
five
if
approved,
and
that
payback's
going
to
be
done
hour
for
hour
and
it
has
to
be
stated
at
that
place
and
then
you
can
exchange
extend
it.
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It
there's
nothing
in
the
contract
that
defines
how
long
an
exchange
can
be
or
can't
be
and
So
within
the
operations.
You
know
they
say:
okay,
you
can
take,
you
can
take
72
hours
or
whatever
it
was
that
you
said.
But
then
the
other
Chief
comes
in
and
says
hey.
This
is
not
working.
It's
making.
You
know
making
issues
I'm
having
to
put
units
offline
I'm
having
to
call
in
people
it's
costing
me
overtime.
You
know
things
aren't
working
out,
it's
just
not.
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It
may
have
worked
in
a
very
specific
time
period,
but
it's
not
working
from
now.
On
and
then
they
change
it,
and
then
we
have
the
union
come
in
and
say
whoa.
That
was
what
was
happening
before
that's
a
maintenance
of
Standards.
Yet
it
falls
well
within
the
the
management
rights
of
the
city.
That's
where
this
becomes
amazing.
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And
I
agree
and
that's
and
that's
to
use
your
argument
and
that's
why
or
to
use
that's
why
we
we
understand
that
we
don't
go
every
24
hours,
it's
one
shift
per
share
because
of
whether
there's
overtime
or
not
the
other
is
you're
affecting
operations
it
doesn't,
which
is
why,
when
we
negotiated
Securities
goes
upbring
for
rank.
If
a
captain
is
going
to
be
out,
another
Captain
is
replacing
them.
It
will
be
normal
time.
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Now
there
are
some
things
that
the
city
stance
has
been
in
the
past
look
operation.
You
guys
figure
that
out.
Your
perfect
example
is
for
me
to
call
in
for
a
vacation
day
the
vacation
hours
and
slots
and
how
we
do
it
is
in
the
contract,
but
the
chief
has
stated
it
used
to
be.
You
got
to
call
in
before
6
30
a.m.
Now
it's
before
6
a.m,
or
7,
A.M
or
6
30
A.M
it
used
to
be.
You
can
call
it
anytime
at
night.
Now
it's
11
p.m.
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At
night
and
we've
made
those
modifications
through
the
life
of
the
contracts,
because
the
chief
has
reached
out
to
the
association
hey,
we
have
a
condition
of
employment.
I
want
to
change
it
here
are
reasons
why
you
know
what
Chief
it's
fine,
we
can
do
it
that
way.
We
have
no
issue.
The
issue
here
is
when
you
completely
try
to
restrict
what
was
in
place
during
the
contract
would
have
been
agreed
to
for
decades
now
and
then
now,
because
we
want
to
hang
our
hat
on
our
Coast
six.
Basically,
the
chief
can
change
anything.
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Negotiations
and
if
there's
such
a
big
issue
with
how
the
contract
is
worded,
my
opinion
is
that
the
association
should
work
on
that
wording
in
the
contract.
If
we
have
a
difference
of
opinion
on
what
is
a
condition
of
employment
and
what
is
in
the
contract
in
our
governed
by
it,
then
I
would
say
we
negotiate
and
put
it.
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I
just
explained
to
me
how
a
condition
of
employment
was
in
place
of
the
sign
of
the
contract
can
be
changed
if
the
Articles
clearly
states
that
anything
is
a
conditional,
employment
or
privilege.
In
effect,
at
the
signing
of
the
contract
will
stay.
In
effect,
it
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
in
writing.
It
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
into
the
contract.
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The
paid
by
paper,
yes
I'm,
gonna
exchange
with
Chapel
yeah
I,
fill
out
the
form.
I
get
my
Chief's
permission,
he's
working
for
me,
January
1st
I'm,
paying
him
back.
March
30th.
He
comes
back,
hey
guess
what
March
doesn't
work
for
me:
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
change
the
date.
If
we're
in
agreement
we'll
modify
that
contract.
Okay,
we're
in
agreement,
we
change
it.
We
notify
the
proper
channels,
the
pharmacy
view
policy
is
staying.
You
can
only
do
that
once
and
that's
it.
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But
then
something
comes
up
comes
up
and
Chapo's
like
you
know
what
I'm
not
going
to
need
that
day.
After
all,
my
kids
party
got
canceled
I'm
going
to
extend
it
to
this
day.
Can
you
do
that
day?
Yes,
I.
Can
this
doesn't
affect
operations,
because
there
will
be
a
captain
there,
it's
better
than
denying
him
and
then
him
taking
an
annually
versus
take
leave
for
whatever
reason,
whatever
it
was,
he
was
going
to
cover
and
he
takes
the
proper
leave,
because
then
it
would
cause
a
vacancy.
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Months
to
a
year,
five
years,
whatever,
yes
do
you
think
that
it
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
citizens
of
Laredo
that
are
that
are
relying
on
the
training
of
the
firefighters
to
go
out
and
help
them
when
they've
been
off
of
their
job
for
five
months?
And,
let's
just
that's
for
hypothetic,
hypothetically
speaking,
let's
say
they
were
out
on
vacation
for
five
years.
They
weren't
doing
a
second
job.
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Paybacks
in
exchange
I'm
proposing
that
if
you
want
to
change
the
curbing
like
you
said,
this
is
exactly
how
we
do
it
right
now,
I'm
proposing.
If
the
city
wants
to
change
them,
then
we
work
from
the
wording
and
we
negotiate
it
we're
not
proposing
it.
You
said
it
yourself,
the
current
practice
is
we
can
pay
back
whatever.
We
want
right,
pretty
much
right
as
long
as
we
give
notice
and
starting
the
paperwork.
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G
And
I
don't
know
why
choosing
the
past
have
given
up
some
of
the
rights
or
not,
but
whoever
was
at
the
table
and
they
negotiated
and
negotiated.
What
we
stand
by
is
whoever
was
here
and
that
was
negotiated
if
it
wants
to
be
changed
and
it
should
be
negotiated
again
now,
I,
don't
believe
that
we
can
only
negotiate
what's
in
143,
I'm
sure,
there's
like.
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G
Right
right
now
and
I
know
you're
you're,
going
to
the
umbrella
of
saying
that
everything
is
a
is
going
to
be
your
maintenance
of
standards,
and
no
it's
not
it's
actually
limited.
There's
not
that
many
things
it
has
to
do
with
annually
use
when
we
call
in
sick
things
like
that,
but
mostly
everything
that
we
do
in
operations
is
is.
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Paid
I
don't
think
that
anyone
has
ever
done
full
month.
Paybacks
I,
know
they've
done
exchanges
kind
of
leave,
paybacks
to
make
sure
I
did
it
to
go
to
law.
School
right,
I
would
come
home
on
the
weekends
I
would
work
on
the
weekends
I
would
do
exchanges,
annualies
and
paybacks
under
our
rules
and
under
our
guidelines,
I
paid
back
within
that
within
120
days,
I
comply
with
every
policy
that
was
out
there,
I
compiled
with
the
contract
and
yes,
I
was
able
to
do
it.
I
don't
feel
it
affect
my
performance.
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G
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G
And
I
didn't
use
it.
For
this
old
reason,
the
council
or
the
city
was
going
to
attack
I
made
sure
I
followed,
not
the
school
exchanges,
which
was
more
lenient
and
really
has
never
been
put
in.
Writing
I
made
sure
I
followed
the
one
in
writing
because
I
knew
what
would
happen
if
anyone
had
to
see
was
going
to
question
it.
So
I
didn't
follow
the
school
exchanges
that
were
unlimited,
I,
followed
the
120
days
and
the
reason
why
let
me
show
I
did
the
five
exchanges
and
make
sure
I
use.
G
My
onion
leaves
I
kept
track
of
my
data.
I
sent
it
to
my
district
Chiefs
I
sent
it
to
the
assistant
fire
chief.
For
this
whole
reason,
someone
in
the
city
was
going
to
complain
about
me,
so
I
made
sure
I
followed
every
Rule
now
I've
been
told
that
school
exchanges
are
allowed
and
you
can
pay
them
back
whenever
I
didn't
follow
that
when
I
went
to
school.
G
To
work
there
are
others
they're,
just
hitting
settings
the
city
employees
all
the
time
ago,
and
they
only
have
nurse
practitioners
at
the
city
that
person
to
school
I
I
asked
for
the
same
treatment.
Someone
would
come
on
for
the
city,
they
would
let
me
go
to
law
school
the
other
night,
but
we'll
do
it
for
an
expectation
if
we
do
it
for
certain
Fields,
but
the
city
does
give
people
time
off.
G
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G
C
A
To
have
the
discussions
you
don't
have
to
be
at
the
collective
or
all
they
don't
all
have
to
be
at
the
collective
bargaining
table,
but
we
would
like
to
resolve
this
case
before
the
signing
of
any
new
contract,
so
that
there's
a
general
understanding
between
both
parties
on
that
on
those
issues.
Okay
from.
F
A
No
way
actually
before
before
we
did
the
proposal
on
one
of
the
other
bargaining
days.
Prior
to
that
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
maintenance
of
standard
article
I
brought
it
up
and
I
don't
have
the
the
exact
date.
But
there
were
some
discussion
on
the
table
when
we
were
talking
about
what
new
articles
we
were
going
to
be
presenting,
so
it
it
was.
G
G
I
G
I
G
I
J
M
The
officers
that
you
know
for
each
station,
you
know
the
officers
in
charge
I've
had
my
captain,
ask
me:
hey
if
you
have
any
paybacks
that
have
been
more
than
two
three
months
start
cooking,
they
ask
you
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
you
know.
I'm
gonna
write
you
up.
If
you
don't
they're,
just
keep
in
mind
right.
So
as
firefighters,
we're
grown
man,
we
take
care
of
our
own
right
and
and
if
I
have
a
payback
like
you
said,
I'm
gonna
use
it
as
good.
M
I
B
G
G
As
long
as
I'm
under
here,
it's
a
good
point,
the
Victor
brings
up
as
an
officer
he
officers
here.
We
have
to
approve
it.
I've
had
guys
on
my
station
exchange
and
I've
told
them.
Hey,
you've
got
a
several
exchanges
and
paybacks
I
know
it's
you
better,
be
making
it
back
to
work
I'm
going
to
deny
some
of
these
for
the
sole
reason
that
you
said
and
that's
the
power
granted
in
operations
for
our
officers.
G
It
doesn't
have
to
come
for
the
fire
chief
were
builtu
or
chain
a
command
and
off
the
military
virgin
and
the
military
and
how
it's
trying
to
come
out
works
so
that
the
officers
are
checking
this,
because
the
fire
two
is
not
even
paying
attention
who's.
Exchanging
it's
at
the
lower
level,
officer
and
I
know.
I
I've
had
this
discussion
with
my
man.
I
need
you
to
come
into
work
some
days.
A
G
A
A
C
D
E
E
E
C
C
E
I
K
E
A
A
A
A
E
I
worked
last
week
so
when
they
released
it,
they
sent
me
a
picture
of
one
page,
not
referring
to
which
Auto
selling
well,
we
we
already
passed
this
out
so
when
I
got
back
to
work,
which
was
this
week
when
I
saw
the
policy
like
this
is
a
completely
different
policy.
That's
where
I'd
be
like.
Yes,
that's
what
we're
talking
about
it's
a
completely
different
policy
right!
Didn't
you
see
how
like
I
wasn't
aware,
was
a
new
policy?
E
I
thought
it
was
still
addressing
under
the
old
policy
or
the
the
outside
employment
policy,
which
we
already
had
a
top
to
bottom
agreed
to
so,
like
I,
say
the
mirroring
of
the
language
from
one
issue
where
we
had
brought
it
up
and
have
been
corrected.
It
mirrors
into
another
policy
you're
circumventing
the
process
of
the
agreement
and
what
what
have
been
addressed
and
basically
hashed.
F
A
That
we
could
have
already
been
addressing
so
that
maybe
we
could
have
had
some
some
more
meaningful
discussion
about
how
to
resolve
this
today
and
I.
Think
that's
what
Miss
Cabello
is
referring
to:
okay
and
and
okay.
So
obviously,
we're
gonna
have
to
have
continued
discussions
with
that
and
I.
Please
ask
that
you
discuss
this
with
the
chief
in
the
legal
department
and
follow
its
follow.
A
B
A
C
F
A
Oh
and
I
apologize,
the
top
should
be
that
it
responds
to
the
union
proposal
the
last
Union
proposal,
which
I
believe
was
September
9th
of
September
29th
of
2022
at
1,
39
PM.
So
it
responds
to
the
Union
counter
proposal,
not
the
City
of
Laredo
proposal,
but
the
union
had
proposed
that
Article
4
remained
the
same,
that
there
be
no
change.
A
It
will
include
one
Association
representative
who
may
provide
opinions
and
Voice
issues
to
the
city's
designated
negotiating
representative
in
an
advisory
capacity.
Only
during
the
negotiation
process
and
I
think
that
outlines
exactly
the
intent
of
what
has
what
this
article
is
and
what
has
been
the
interpretation
of
the
intent
of
this
article
in
the
in
the
past.
And
so
we
just
want
to
clarify
that.
And
we
asked
that
you
consider
that
clarification.
A
And
one
of
the
concerns
here
is
you're
going
to
ask
well
what
what
what's
the
concern?
The
concern
here
is
that
if
somebody
in
the
future
says
you
know
an
association
representative
says,
oh
there's
a
intergovernmental
contract
on
something
completely
different,
that
doesn't
even
involve
the
fire
department
or
any
of
the
firefighters
there's
agreements
filed,
because
this
article
says
that
they're
to
be
included
in
any
intergovernmental
contract
negotiations.
A
A
J
Think
it's
I
think
they
should
I
have
to
follow,
but
I
think
it
hasn't
been
done
in
the
past.
I
think
it's
you
know.
People
want
to
make
sure
that
their
root
protected.
As
far
as
you
know,
anytime,
any
of
our
firefighters
get
injured
and
they're
respond
to
calls
that
we're
not
supposed
to
be
at
specifically
right,
I
think
we
talked
here
at
Atlanta
as
far
as
having
more
use
of
different.
You
know,
entities
and
I
think
it's.
We
weren't
able
to
get
a
clear
answer
as
far
as
if
they
were
in
place
or
not.
A
And
I
think
that
the
city
had
committed
to
looking
into
that
and
working
to
ensure
that
the
proper
mlus
were
done
when
you
say
that
the
city
was
not
following
the
intergovernmental
local
contract
laws
or
doing
something
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
that's
correct
but
I
think
it
what
you're
referring
to
is
when
maybe
there
were
some
Services
provided
to
another
entity
that
didn't
have
a
contract
or
some
sort
of
written
contract
in
place.
I
think
it's
what
we
discussed
and
we
went
over
the
law,
one
of
the
last
two
sessions.
A
There
was
actually
an
exception
within
the
statute
and
I.
We
read
it
on
the
record
and
I'd
be
happy
to
look
for
it
again,
but
there's
an
exception
that
where
emergency
or
fire
emergency
services
are
being
provided
that
there
is
no,
there
was
wasn't
a
requirement.
A
requirement
for
such
written
contract
there's
an
exception
to
that.
So
it's
not
that
the
city
wasn't
following
the
law.
A
But
there
isn't
something
in
writing
that
they
Endeavor
to
to
get
that
in
writing
and
solidified,
either
in
an
mou
or
whatever,
to
address
the
liability
issues
that
that
concern
you
and
from
the
city's
perspective
anytime,
that
the
firefighters
are
are
on
duty
and
add
an
assignment
they're,
always
going
to
be
covered
for
any
injuries
or
liabilities
that
happen
at
that
point.
For
the
city
is.
K
G
Then
the
other
issue
is,
it
does
mention
some
I
can't
recite
the
exact
wording,
something
like
a
emergency
religion,
an
elevated
type
of
response,
I,
don't
know
if
say
a
nosebleed
at
uisd
entry
would
I
would
meet
that
criteria
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
is
traveling
outside
the
city
limits
for
something
that
doesn't
have
an
inter-local
agreement,
which
the
only
issue
is
no
one
has
an
issue
about
going
to
the
cause.
Safety
agreement
stays
there.
Basically,
who
has
a
liability.
G
I
know
that
we
can't
contractually
require
workers
comp
every
example
is
the
firefighter
Mission
Texas.
This
city
of
missions
still
looks
outboarding
and
even
their
British
debater
in
agreement
in
private
insurance
companies
still
denies
it
and
I
understand
the
contract
doesn't
limit
that
or
all
we're
asking
was
that
those
inter
local
government
agreements
be
in
place
and
if
they're
not
in
place
that
we
stop
responding
to
those
calls
until
they
are
in
place
or
what
is
the
the
city's
stance
on
the
issue?.
G
A
M
A
M
M
A
For
instance,
there's
an
exchange
of
water,
there's
a
you
know,
we're
we're
buying
water
from
another
entity.
The
cities
by
the
City
of
Laredo
is
buying
water
from
another
entity,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
fire
or
Emergency.
Services
will
not
affect
the
firefighters
at
all.
Okay,
and
yet
the
way
that
this
contract
provision
is
written
currently
a
future
firefighter
or
a
future
Association
member
would
be
like
you
know
what
I
have
a
place:
I
have
a
voice
there.
I
can
go
and
provide
advisory
opinion
and
I'm
being
denied
an.
C
F
A
C
Neither
have
any
other
entities
at
the
lease
department
when
it
comes
to
maybe
Texas
Department
of
parks.
When
we
have
to
negotiate
something
more
than
Partners
police
doesn't
come
when
it
has
to
do
something.
With
that
I
mean
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
freedom
to
be
able
to
negotiate
on
the
city.
Yeah.
M
C
M
M
B
C
G
B
G
That's
not
the
concern.
The
only
concern
is
under
the
the
local
agreement
work,
the
exception
it
states
here
what
the
exception
is
right
and
as
for,
is
not
required
in
an
emergency
for
the
defense
for
safety
of
the
Civil
population,
in
Cooperative
efforts
proposed
by
the
governor
or
a
situation
which
I'm
involved
is
less
than
fifty
thousand
dollars,
but
it
does
require
and
interagency
exchange
that
is
exempt
from
requirements
of
a
written
agreement
or
country.
The
agencies
involved.
G
Shell
document
exchange
to
informal
letters
of
agreement,
which
is
the
mius
in
the
main
part
of
this,
of
having
something
in
writing,
is
that,
what's
required
under
the
under
the
statute
States
the
requirements,
let's
specify
kind
of
amount
of
services
or
research,
to
provide
it
the
basis
for
computing,
reversible
costs.
That's
not
our
concern,
the
maximum
cost.
G
Who
are
you
reading
different
from
the
statute,
771.004
government
code,
and
then
the
liability
was
and
then
it's
the
other
six
seven,
seven,
eight
all
we're
concerned
with,
is,
if
we're
going
to
respond,
it's
something
we
put
in
writing
and
it
states
that
the
city
will
exactly
what
you're
saying
right
now.
Just
what
you're
saying,
okay,
the
city's
going
to
cover
the
farming?
G
That's
all
we're
asking
for
is
a
written
agreement
that
says
if
we
go
outside
the
city
limits
and
one
of
our
guys
gets
hurt,
the
city
is
going
to
do
whatever
they
can
from
the
seat
that
they
they
have
to
support
the
firefighters.
That's
all
he
was
doing
his
duties.
I,
don't
think
we're
asking
for
anything
other
than.
M
You
don't
want
the
union
to
have
a
voice
in
anything
else
that
the
city
does
as
far
as
with
another
entity
and
I
understand
that,
have
there
been
an
instant
that's,
why
I
asked?
Has
there
been
an
instant
where
the
the
union
actually
voiced
their
opinion
when
it
was
a
dealing
within
the
city
and
another.
J
G
G
A
A
G
A
You
can
see
where
our
concern
is
too,
because
what
we're
doing
is
we're.
What
we're
proposing
is
just
to
clarify
the
language
and
the
the
the
the
provision
that's
already
in
there
and-
and
there
is
a
reason
that
that
provision
is
in
there,
so
that
you,
you
can
voice
that
very
opinion
and
the
concern
that
you
have
at
the
negotiation
table
whenever
there's
either
a
interlo.
When
there's
an
interlocal.
G
F
G
K
M
G
I
B
I
I
G
I
The
government
unit
that
would
have
been
responsible
for
Furnishing
the
services
and
the
essence
of
the
contract
is
responsible
for
any
civil
liability.
This
is
just
this.
This
only
becomes
effect
when
there's
a
question
of
who's
responsible
right.
The
city
of
variable
is
telling
you
at
the
table.
City
management
HR,
recovered
under
the
city
of
the
race,
they're,
sending
you
it's
in
the
scope
of
your
duties,.
M
M
B
G
G
G
A
A
A
G
So
the
issue
here
is
I,
agree,
I,
guess
we're
asking
the
city
to
cover
more
obligations.
The
city
stance,
though,
has
been
repeated
here
multiple
times,
but
if
we
understand
you,
we
are
going
to
cover
our
firemen.
All
we're
asking
is
that
we
put
it
in
writing
and
then
indirectly.
Yes,
it
does
add
more
obligation
to
the
city,
foreign.
K
K
B
K
The
Grievances,
what
you
said
you're
going
to
cover
us,
but
you
had
a
pretty
existing
condition.
You
have
a
heart
condition:
you're
obese
you're
diabetic,
and
then
you
want
us
to
cover
it
and
you're,
saying
that
you're
out
there.
So
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
the
entire
incident
before
we
can
give
you
a
straightforward
answer:
I.
G
C
G
Taken
outside
of
the
city
and
sent
to
the
county
for
pennies
on
the
dollar,
and
we
were
asking
hey,
we're
leaving
the
citizens,
vulnerable
I
lived
in
the
South,
my
family
lived
in
the
South
and
we
would
take
all
the
units
out
of
the
South
and
we'll
go
to
the
county.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
what
we're
discussing
here,
but
that's
why
this
article
was
proposed
so
that
Lee
City
we
were
trying
to
get
back
feeling
hey
you're,
going
to
send
this
out
for
days
at
a
time
in
the
county.
G
L
G
G
G
B
A
G
C
A
We're
not
redefining
4.3,
that's
been
the
whole
thing,
you're
redefining
it
when
you're,
adding
the
City
of
Laredo
should
comply
with
the
Texas
government
code
pursuant
to
intergovernmental
relations,
but
there's
different
sections
of
the
government
code
that
deal
with
intergovernmental
relations
that
creates
a
whole
scope
of
things.
I
think
there.
The
city
is
obligated
to
follow
those
those
rules.
Otherwise
we
there
there's
remedies
within
the
statutes
themselves
for
violations
of
things
like
that,
so
we're
already
obligated
by
Statute.
What
we're
doing
here
is
we're
not
adding
proposing
to
add
or
take
away
anything
from
0.4.3.
A
We
were
just
seeking
to
clarify
exactly
what
the
intent
was,
because
everybody
understood
the
intent,
but
the
words
weren't.
The
words
were
very
general
that
didn't
limit
it
to
something
that
affected
the
firefighters,
which
was
what
the
intention
was,
and
that's
all
we're
doing,
we're
not
trying
to
redefine
it
in
any
way
whatsoever
and
that
that's
what
our
issue
is
and-
and
so
we
have
provided
clarifying
language
in
article
four
that
and
it
keeps
it
the
same
but
it.
A
But
it
prevents
unnecessary
grievances,
because
grievances
take
time
from
both
the
union
and
the
city.
And
it
takes
a
lot
of
money
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
we
don't
want
to
be
defending
a
claim
where
we
can
already
resolve
it.
Right
here
by
just
clarifying
language
and
and
instead
of
having
an
arbitrator,
tell
us
something
that
we
both
don't.
You
know,
don't
even
didn't
even
contemplate.
Yeah.
G
G
G
G
B
G
G
A
M
Obligations
that
the
city
already
says,
they're
they're
already
have
enforced
right.
You
you
make
it
seem
as
as,
if
we're
asking
the
city
do
they
have
to.
Oh
all,
we're
asking
is
that
you
already
said
that
the
liability
falls
on
the
city
is,
like
you
said,
put
it
in
writing
or
but,
like
you
know,
we'll
come
back
with
a
proposal,
and
you
know
you
know
something
else
right,
but.
I
So
really
it's
a
choice
between
both
governments
we're
actually
from
another.
So
now
you're
saying
save
Dorado,
you
have
to
say
in
writing
that
you're
going
to
cover.
Doesn't
that
stop
us
from
possibly
entering
into
these
interlocal
agreement,
because
you
are
saying
that
the
save
Laredo
must
what
we're
telling
you
is
that,
even
in
the
absence
of
these
intervocal
agreements,
you
are
still
covered.
So
can
we
put
that
already.
G
I
Problem
with
that
is
sometimes
it's
not
even
our
decision
now
so
now
we're
going
to
be
making
a
contractual
obligation
with
CML.
We
don't
have
the
authority
to
do
that
right
and
now,
if
tml
doesn't
cover,
then
you're
saying
over
grieving
unit
rate
or
because
you
didn't
cover,
like
you
said
you
would
in
your
contact,
that's
the
problem
with
putting
it
and.
G
C
I
I
F
A
Like
five
o'clock
yeah,
so
we
had
proposed,
we've
agreed
to
8.3,
which
is
the
duties
of
assistant
driver,
include
and
we'll
change
it
to
60
shifts
on
the
liability
part.
As
we
discussed
on
8.5,
we
have
agreed
to
include
duties,
orders
and
directives
so
that
it
covers
anything
that
the
firefighters
are
asked
to
do
through
their
duties
through
orders
or
directives.
A
For
the
Laredo
firefighters,
the
Laredo
fire
department,
policies
and
procedures
manual
is
what
every
firefighter
has
to
follow
on
what
they're
employed
under
it's
available
at
every
fire
station,
and
the
delegation
by
by
the
superior
officers
is
under
that
Laredo
fire
department
policies
and
procedures
manual.
So
this
is
this
is
what
happens.
This
is
where
the
duties
come
from.
A
It
doesn't
change
anything
else
with
the
rest
of
it,
as
it
says,
related
to
firefighting,
fire
prevention,
rescue,
Emergency,
Medical,
Service,
Salvage,
overhaul
work
and
maintenance
of
fire
fighting
equipment
apparatus,
buildings
and
the
fire
station's
ground,
including
cleaning
and
mowing
or
any
other
related
work.
Tire
changes
on
vehicles
other
than
automobiles,
pickup
trucks.
Man
sport
utility
will
not
be
included
as
a
duty
of
firefighters
employees.
Employers
shall
provide
the
training
and
special
equipment
in
accordance
with
article
11.2
necessary
to
maintain
all
firefighting
equipment,
including
all
vehicles
ready
for
Duty
status.
A
However,
circumstances
dictate
the
need
for
Contracting
for
tire
chain
service.
The
district
Chief
responsible
for
his
or
her
respective
Vehicles
has
a
discretion
to
obtain
such
service.
Painting
and
weed
maintenance
around
fire
hydrants
will
not
be
the
duties
of
the
firefighters,
so
this
just
outlines
where
the
duties
where,
where
to
find
other
than
what
is
specified
here,
where
the
job
description
and
the
duties
are
listed,
and
that
would
be
in
the
Laredo
fire
department
policies
and
procedure
manual
and
that's
what
the
superior
officers
have
to
follow
as
well.
J
A
No
it
just
it's,
no
I
I,
don't
have
any
specific
examples.
It
just
points
the
firefighter
to
where
you
find
where
those
Duties
are
are
provided
for
in
the
fire
department,
because
because
the
Laredo
fire
department
policies
and
procedures
manual
and
I
don't
have
the
sections
in
front
of
me
has
the
job
description
for
firefighter
and
I.
Don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
pulled
it
up
and
I
lost
it.
A
A
And
then
what
had
already
been
negotiated
was
the
duties
would
be
related
all
those
categories,
those
are
the
duties
and
I
think
the
those
are
the
duties
that
are
That
Remains,
the
Same
there's
nothing
that
changes
there
and
I
believe
in
the
in
the
Laredo
fire
department,
policies
and
procedures
manual.
The
the
duties
are,
are
very
general.
The
the
job
descriptions
are
pretty
General
as
to
as
to
what
it
is.
So
it
goes
in
conjunction
with
the
with
the
contract,
with
what
has
been
negotiated
already.
F
F
A
A
And
in
that
proposal
the
only
change
was
that
the
union
had
proposed
was
to
say
each
additional
unit
or
apparatus
all
require
additional
full-time
employee
positions.
Accordingly,
this
list
does
not
include
all
inclusive
and
outline
the
numbers
of
full-time
ftes.
The
city
is
proposing
to
leave
it
the
same
because,
as
it
already
says,
on
Section
e
section
e,
as
currently
written
and
agreed
that
that
was
agreed
in
the
last
contract
already
addresses
this
subject
to
article
6
rights
of
management
when
any
additional
units
and
or
companies
are
added.
A
Under
this
article,
the
minimum
full-time,
employee
positions
will
be
adjusted
appropriately
and
the
city
shall
maintain
the
said
number
of
positions.
So
the
city
anytime,
that
an
additional
unit
or
company
has
been
added.
The
city
has
always
in
the
budgetary
process
improve
in
preparing
for
that
additional
unit,
not
only
budgets,
the
costs
and
monies
needed
for
the
unit
and
the
equipment.
They
have
also
always
budgeted
and
added
the
minimum
full-time
ftes
that
that
are
needed
to
staff
and
staff,
properly
staff,
that
unit
and
or
company.
A
J
I
think
that
I'm
going
back
to
not
to
harp
on
a
dead
horse
right
like
article
four
right-
it's
never
been
done,
but
you
know
we
just
want
to
clarify
it.
I
think
we're
taking
the
same
stance
on
that.
It's
always
been
done
as
far
as
the
ft's
that
are
allotted
for
each
edition
of
unit.
That
was
added
right,
but
we
just
want
to
further
clarify
it
and,
like
you
say,
it's
already
been
done.
I
don't
think
it's
further
adds
anything
into
the
country.
B
D
A
A
C
E
So,
like
I
say
the
the
current
practice,
even
the
state
stated
that
it's
a
current
of
an
activation
of
a
new
fire
unit
or
fire
apparatus
is
15
and
the
activation
of
any
new
EMS
unit
or
not
EMS
unit
ambulance
specifically
is
going
to
be,
is
nine?
That's
the
current
city
practice
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
clarify
that,
what's
already
being
done.
A
E
A
M
M
G
L
A
E
G
G
If
Jesus
recommends
to
say
we
have
a
fire
chief,
that
says
you
know
what
I
think
I
can
put
in
two
ambulances
with
three
new
hires
I
think
I
got
some
extra
guys.
I
can
move
around
e
makes
407
turn
to
410..
What
we're
saying
is
that,
if
you're
not
a
unit,
you
need
to
add
these
people
so
we're
going
to
come
for
vacation.
So,
let's
just
say
a
new
fire
station's
at
it.
G
Five
percent
free
engine,
two
for
the
ambulance
right
at
seven,
when
you
calculate
just
their
vacations
alone,
that's
105
shares
for
the
whole
year,
but
one
of
those
individuals
will
be
on
vacation.
The
other
individuals
like
what
are
they
for
so
that
we
don't
have
to
hire
overtime.
So
we
don't
have
the
shift
in
Manpower.
So
where
now
the
city
comes
back
and
says
hey,
you
know
we
put
in
some
ambulances
and
you
guys
are
taking
your
accruals
and
now
we're
hiring
overtime
and
look
at
the
expenses.
G
What
the
proposal
of
the
Union
is,
if
you're
going
to
hire
for
a
new
unit,
you
hire
the
appropriate
Staffing
so
that
they
can
manage
themselves.
They
fill
in
when
people
are
on
vacations
on
sick
leave
injury
whatever.
Maybe
we
have
sufficient
Manpower,
the
city
doesn't
have
to
hire
or
Implement
a
unit,
but
in
the
case
it
does,
the
city
will
hire
those.
G
Later
on,
the
union
doesn't
get
hit
as
well
as
well.
Your
unit
are
under
staff,
you
don't
have
Ram
Power
and
so
the
FTE
article,
which
is
there
to
see
to
make
sure
that
when
someone
is
hired
or
you
need
to
split
to
play-
that's
not
the
case
here.
You
can
propose.
Let's
put
another
ambulance
because
councilman
X
wants
it.
You
know
what
you
have
a
six
firemen
fire
chief.
You
know
I
think
I
can
find
hire
me.
G
G
The
reason
the
Union's
proposal
initially
was
all
that
Manpower,
where
you
put
like
51
firefighters,
was
that
on
the
safety
side,
it's
better
to
have
four
men
on
a
ladder
truck
and
bring
them
down
to
three,
and
then
you
know
try
to
squeeze
three
more
into
another
ladder
truck
because,
most
of
the
time,
what
our
needs
are
Empire
and
not
the
extra
300
truck.
What
we
need
sometimes,
is
the
Manpower.
G
But
there's
multiple
concerns
to
the
issues
on
why
the
association
frequently
requests
full
Manpower
per
unit
and
wants
to
go
down
the
line
of
that
type
of
wording
versus
well
we're
just
going
to
hire
the
bare
minimum
that
we
think,
because
we
understand
one
the
financial
issues
and
and
how
those
will
be
discussed,
but,
secondly,
the
safety
for
the
Department
that
are
on
those
units.
We
would
like
to
see
more
firefighters
per.
L
Unit-
and
it
is
not
what
we
think
it's
what's
in
the
contract
at
a
minimum-
has
to
have
to
be
correct
main
course.
We're
not
we're
just
saying
right
now
and
then
and
I
repeat
myself.
The
question
is:
what
is
the
difference
between
what's
being
proposed
to
what
we
have
and
you're
saying
it's
past
practice?
There's
no
impact
you're
already
doing
it?
Yes,
but
we're
losing
that
ability
to
be
able
to
say
I
want
to
do
it
now.
L
Well,
we
don't
have
the
resources
or
the
money
to
do
all
these
positions,
but
we
need
to
open
this
fire
station.
We
need
to
hire,
we
need
to
buy
this
ladder
truck
and
we
need
to
bring
it
online.
So
you
know
we're
going
to
make
an
effort
to
get
as
many.
We
know
that
we
are
behind
on
the
ftas
because
of
the
needs
we're
averaging
25.
We
understand
that,
but
at
the
same
time
we
know
that
there's
come
there's
a
new
station
coming
up
the
line,
that's
going
to
require
30
new
FPS.
L
M
Is
why
the
association
whenever
the
fire
chief
does
give
an
example?
He
asks
for
a
new
fire
station
with
the
ladder
truck
and
an
engine
when
he
budgeted
he
budgeted
for
the
30.
right.
So
he's
already
asking
the
city
for
the
30.
he's
already
doing.
What
we're
asking
for
him
to
put
him
well
and
you're
saying,
is
if.
L
You
put
it
in,
don't
restrict
them,
I
mean
no,
no,
what
I'm
saying
if
you're
putting
it
in
the
contract,
you're
locked
into
it,
and
now
now
you
don't
have
any
flexibility
to
try
to
try
to
try
to
make
up
when
you
have
them
on
your
don't
or
you
don't
have
that
money
because
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
looking
at
the
Budget
moving
forward
yeah,
and
it
doesn't
look
that
good
moving
forward
because
of
all
the
new
demands
that
we're
gonna
have
because
we're
growing
city.
So
that's
the
only
thing
you
like.
L
G
B
G
G
The
promotion
but
for
safety
reasons
for
Burnout
for
ambulance
rotations
or
a
lot
of
the
Articles,
and
if
you
start
to
look
at
the
theme
of
the
movie
articles
of
why
this
is
required
or
we
requested
it
in
the
contract,
is
for
the
safety
of
the
firefighter
or
the
well-being
of
the
firefighter
for
the
mental
issues
of
the
mental
status
of
a
firefighter,
and
that's
why
the
association
had
made
that
request
to
begin
with
and
then
I
think.
That's
why
we're
bringing
it
now?
E
To
say
please,
going
back
to
has
been
the
current
practice.
The
activation
of
new
units
is
just
a
way
to
read.
Everybody
says
if
you're
constantly
minimally
Staffing
that
allows
the
state
to
grow
and
grow
and
grow,
but
it's
going
to
constantly
short
staff
the
Cosmo
Wing
board.
In
reality,
what
we
call
the
skeleton
you're
minimally
stopping
a
unit
to
require
to
perform
a
certain
Duty
when
it's
not
actually
fully
staffed
to
the
ability
that
that's
supposed
to
be.
E
Like
saying
give
that
well
now
we're
going
to
start
minimally
Staffing
them
you're,
activating
a
lot
of
new
units
without
actually
grow
in
the
Manpower
you're,
actually
going
to
affect
the
budget
a
lot
more
than
what
it's
going
to
help
it.
This
is
actually
more
towards
maintaining
control
that
that
that
fully
Staffing
of
a
unit
to
be
able
to
you
know
absorb
that
loss
to
be
absorbed.
You
know
in
case
of
injury,
illness,
Vacations
or
reassignment
to
to
a
different
to
a
different
Duty.
E
You
know,
because,
right
now,
as
we
stated
in
the
original
proposal,
we
asked
for
five
five
on
each
Training
Division
and
one
which
is
a
r
coordinator.
These
are
things
that
are
already
being
stopped
or
being
pulled
from
one
pool,
so
we're
able
to
absorb
that.
Why
we're
able
to
absorb
that,
because
we're
still
following
another
15
and
90.,
if
you
start
doing
that
and
still
be
pulling
from
the
line
you're
invade
you're,
going
to
cause
vacancies
that
are
not
going
to
be
replaced
by
anybody
else.
F
And
also
I
mean
right
now,
it's
being
done
by
a
bariatrician.
You
hire
the
15
guys
for
the
truck
and
that
guy
said
the
ambulance
and
then
nutrition,
ordinary
360
every
metaphor.
So
so
the
budget
savings
has
been
there
and
you
still
have
that
Affinity
we're
just
saying
at
the
Ft
number
to
our
contract
and
hire
the
right
amount
at
the
beginning,
and
it's
a
nutrition
I
mean,
let's
see,
does
what
it
does
and
has
done
food.
My
entire
career
has
never
been
to
established.
I
just
want
to
think
because
and.
B
G
G
It
would
be
initially
stacked
because
you
can
hire
the
15
and
9
and
then
have
six
individuals
retire
and
you
still
wouldn't
have
to
hire
because
you
haven't
met
the
10
500
threshold,
so
the
city
would
still
hold
off
on
hiring
because
they're
not
going
to
start
my
calories
for
six
positions,
so
the
other
wording
also
assists
the
city
and
if
eight
firemen
retired,
if
we
hired
instead
of
15
to
9
those
six
retiring,
the
two
to
the
ambulance,
you
still
didn't-
have
to
hire.
Anyone.
G
A
G
G
right
and
if
people
are
retired
and
you
haven't
met
the
10
firefighters
threshold,
then
you
still
don't
hire,
but
RFC
e-com
is
422
now
so
once
you
go
into
10
you're
hard
to
get
back
to
that
number,
that's
the
15
and
nine
and
three
hours
when
you're
going
to
activate
the
unit
and
higher,
and
maybe
we
can
clear.
The
word
therefore
there's
the
wording,
but
it's
at
the
time
of
hiring
for
the
evening.
E
E
Yeah,
even
then,
from
our
initial
proposal,
we,
you
know,
put
it
back
to
where
it
was
desired:
strength
Endeavor,
it's
not
holding
the
city
to
where
you
need
to
staff
it
with
15.
Every
day,
I
mean
five
every
day,
just
it's
the
modification,
it's
the
adjustment
of
the
FTS
as
you're
activating
new
units
where
that
number
grows
along
with
it.
Instead
of
trying
to
activate
new
units
on
the
same
number
or
407,
because
there's
a
surplus
of
hey,
you
know
what
this
shift
has
an
extra
three
guys.
We
can
squeeze
another
ambulance
in
there.
E
A
A
But
what
this
does
is
it
takes
away
the
the
city's
ability
to
be
able
to
work
with
this
budget
and
get
a
unit
in
place,
because
if
the
city
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
staff
an
engine
and
and
hire
pursuant
to
the
Union's
proposal,
a
required
15
ftes
for
one
engine,
so
they
only
have
money
for
the
minimum.
Then
it
prevents
that
unit
from
going
into
service.
A
E
Way
that
it's
proposed
what
it
does
to
adjust
that
Staffing
level,
because
again,
our
our
protection
towards
it
or
the
library
too,
is
the
addition
of
more
units
and
more
units
and
more
units
without
adjusting
the
fds.
As
as
that's
what
I'm
saying
it's
a
it's
a
current
practice,
it's
just
a
basically
to
from
here
on
out
firechief
changes,
stadium,
city,
Administration
changes,
and
they
don't
know
what
the
process
of
it
was.
L
L
L
Versus
60.
I
mean
yeah
30.,
so
evanchoor
half
a
million
dollars.
Then
what
do
I
do?
I?
Don't
have
the
flexibility
now
to
at
least
get
the
three
right
now
that
I
can
and
then
when
I
can
get
another
four
or
five,
because
you
know-
and
hopefully
you
know
as
we
move
forward,
we
get
grants
and
we
get
another
15
20.
now
I
have
a
backup
to
hire
more
equipment.
B
L
And
right
now,
what
the
chief
is
having
to
do
is
pull
people
from
the
line
from
the
administration
throughout
the
history
of
the
Department's
meeting
right
to
make
sure
that
there's
the
safety
issue
on
the
on
the
engine
of
the
engines
is
three.
You
have
to
have
three,
so
you
know
his
key
works
with
those
numbers
for
one.
But
if
we
look
at
only
what
is
noted
by
needed
by
the
units,
it's
a
lesser
number
and
that's
a
number
we
were
using
to
kind
of
figure
out.
Do
we
need
to
do?
L
E
L
L
E
It
again,
that's
also
why
the
stipulation
was
put
in
first
and
the
original
proposal,
not
the
one
that
that
we're
putting
out
that
we
that
you're
counting
was
for
the
police
Staffing
to
be
recognized
for
FTE,
wise
of
our
training
divisions
and
every
other
area.
Every
other
required
position
that
we
need
right
now,
actually,
depending
on
the
way
it's
interpreted.
The
department
right
now
is
not
in
compliance
with
one
of
one
of
the
units
that
you,
that,
being
the
ARF
unit,
the
crash
unit.
E
That
requires
an
compliance.
No,
it
requires
a
three
per
shift
and
to
have
the
the
and
that's
in
the
emergency
action.
The
emergency
action
plan
that
the
airport
holds
the
department
has
gone
away
from
it
or
if
God
has
circumvented
it
by
assigning
one
of
the
captains
on
one
of
the
three
units
to
be
recording.
E
E
Well,
you're
lying
that's
what
I'm
saying
according
to
the
way
it's
done
and
that's
why
to
reflect
on
the
15,
9
and
3,
depending
on
the
other
units,
why
it's
put
into
there?
It's
just
a
current
practice
to
reflect
it
to
be
able
to
adjust
our
FTS,
so
the
city
can
continue
the
air
for
whatever
reason
you
know
what
hey
we
need
to
actor
in
a
unit,
but
we
can
only
staff
12
instead
of
15.,
our
ftes
reflect
the
15
where
it
kind
of
continues
to
you
know
it
continues
to
strive
to
fill
those
positions.
E
F
We
choose
an
example
like
rfgs:
they
try
to
put
the
FTS
to
grow
within
our
units.
It's
one
of
the
other
departments
that
originally
was
there
30
years
ago.
We
should
only
have
one
guy,
but
the
department
has
grown
so
much.
The
city
has
grown
so
much.
One
person
doesn't
work
anymore,
the
chief
Absolution
of
people
he
pulls
from
that
line
where
he
hired
those
Five
Guys.
One
of
those
is
going
to
go
over
here.
F
G
C
G
G
G
So
when
the
hiring
comes,
if
you're
going
to
even
entertain.
This
is
why
those
numbers
are
being
requested
so
that
we
can
have
the
Staffing
so
that
we
can
rotate
and
in
what
we're
saying,
if
in
case,
we're
at
that
point
in
the
road
and
hire
this
in
this
manner.
For
the
safety
reasons
for
the
firefighter's.
C
G
A
Like
and
I
think
the
concern
here
is
that
you
know
we're
also
looking
at
the
safety
of
the
community
and
we're
also
taking
into
consideration
the
safety
of
the
firefighters
and
that's
why
there's
the
minimum
right
there's
the
minimum
Staffing.
So
the
concern
that
I
see
here
is
that
the
numbers
that
were
proposed
by
the
union,
but
the
city
already
has
under
its
management
rights
the
ability
to
adjust
appropriately,
and
it
says
that
the
the
minimum
full-time
employees
positions
should
be
adjusted
appropriately,
meaning
the
city.
A
This
contract
commits
the
city
already
to
at
least
higher
the
minimum
for
any
additional
unit
or
company
right,
and
that
we
shall
maintain
those
additional
ftes
right.
So
that's
what
the
contract
says
now,
that's
what
we
have
been
following
the
city
has
had
the
ability
to
be
more
generous
with
that
and
be
able
to
hire
above
the
minimum
at
this
point,
because
we
they
had
the
resources
to
do
so
so
now,
with
the
way
that
the
the
union
is
proposing
to
change
that
language.
A
L
A
K
A
L
A
I
was
going,
please
sure,
so
I'm
saying
that
the
city
is
growing
the
unit.
Your
position
is
always
going
to
be
well,
the
city's
growing.
We
need
more
units.
The
city
recognizes
that
and
the
city
says:
okay,
we
need
a
unit,
whether
it
be
a
fire
truck
or
an
ambulance,
but
when
the
city
makes
that
commitment
to
to
enhance
the
services
to
a
growing
city,
they
take
into
consideration
the
safety
for
the
city
and
the
firefighter
and
the
resources
only
allow
for
the
unit.
A
When
we're
looking
at
the
unit,
we
have
to
look
at
the
unit,
the
equipment
that
required
ftes
and
right
now
we're
at
the
minimum.
If
the
city
doesn't
have
the
budget
or
the
resources
to
do
the
minimum,
then
the
city
cannot
and
cannot
get
that
unit
in
place,
because
we
have
to
have
the
you
know
more
than
the
minimum
in
order
to
pursuant
to
the
contract.
If
we
were
to
set
something
out
with
with
not
not,
you
know
that's
more
than
than
less
than
than
what
is
outlined
in
the
contract.
A
That
would
constitute
an
automatic,
grievance
and,
and
that's
I,
think
that's
where
the
city
has
the
issue,
because
the
city
has
always
strives
to
do
more,
has
had
a
proven
record
of
doing
more
in
in
stopping
these
things.
But
the
the
the
provision
right
now
is
that
it's
a
management
right
and
we
can
and
and
our
requirement
is
that
we
staff
at
a
minimal
level
and
so
number
one.
A
You
don't
want
to
have
a
chilling
effect
where
it's
going
to
prevent
the
city
from
looking
to
do
more
than
than
the
contract
requires,
and
you
don't
want
to
hold
the
city's
hand
or
tie
the
city's
hands
to
be
able
to
bring
a
unit.
That
would
be
necessary
and
not
be
able
to
do
it
because
we
need,
you
know
more
more
ftes
and.
B
G
G
Made
that
request
to
implement
a
station
like
I
was
like
if
you
can
implement
interest
rate,
because
what
we
would
rather
have
is
four
or
five
firefighters
on
a
fire
truck
in
three
and
three,
because
it
minimizes
the
the
individuals
on
scene.
It
minimizes
those
that
show
for
fires.
It's
a
it's
a
safety
issue
and
I'm
just
I'm,
just
mentioning
it,
because
why
those
numbers
we
understand
the
accounting
side
and
what
the
city
stance
would
be.
But
I
think
the
discussion
is
going
on.
A
What
you
commit
the
city
to
to
different
from
from
you
know
the
the
fire
chief
can
request
it,
and
sometimes
the
city
can
have
the
resource
say.
Yes,
now
you
you're
taking
away
the
city's
ability
to
say
well,
we
can't
meet
that
just
yet,
let's
start
off
with
the
minimum
and
then
have
a
scheduled
plan
to
hire
the
additional
two.
E
E
E
Our
academies
are
taking
at
such
a
long
time.
So,
if
you
hire,
you
know
we're
only
going
to
budget,
because
all
we
can
budget
right
now
to
activate
a
new
unit
is
the
minimum
by
time
that
unit
is
put
into
service
and
those
people
already
graduate
we're
already
below
with
Manpower.
This
is
this
includes
a
buffer
going
back
to
the
safety.
E
The
people
are
not
being
put
on
only
two
at
a
time
where
there's
actually
a
rotation
in
these
Medics
of
preventing
any
type
of
burnout,
you're
now
you're
starting
to
see
for
for
sometimes
when,
there's
nobody
out
or
very
minimal
out
or
it's
a
five-man
engine
company,
a
fireman
engine
company
can
literally
run
a
fire
scene
with
their
two
and
two
and
have
their
their
driver
be
on
the
outside
and
it's
a
safer
way
of
practicing.
You
know.
B
G
And
if
you
look
at
the
ambulances,
if
we
have
programming
issues
and
they
average
12
calls
a
ship,
no
one
on
the
ambulance
would
rather
have
13
ambulances
to
go
down
to
11
causal
shares.
They'd
rather
take
the
12
and
be
able
to
rotate
and
look
at
the
fire
engine
or
the
ladder
truck
for
health
reasons.
For
mental
reasons.
No
one
would
say:
yeah
shrink
my
car
volume
by
one
call
just
to
have
another
ambulance
then,
and
the
bare
minimum
I
never
have
a
rotation
off
the
ambulance.
G
I'd
rather
have
a
healthy
rotation
where
I'm
learning
the
fire
truck
for
longevity.
The
ladder
truck
and
I'm
doing
the
ambulance,
then,
rather
opening
up
a
bunch
of
stations
the
only
time
any
fireman
would
argue
yes,
open
fire
trucks
would
be
I'm
stuck
on
a
promotional
list
in
a
fire
truck
for
safety
reasons.
G
For
the
ideal
situation
of,
what's
the
best
interest
of
the
firemen,
new
units
or
more
units
aren't
the
answer,
and
this
is
why
this
proposal,
the
initial
proposal,
reflects
that
and
this
what
we're
trying
to
get
towards
the
energy
of
their
health
and
safety.
But
I
I
understand
the
city's
standpoint
from
the
budget
service.
B
L
F
G
Contributions,
insurance
is
really
retirees,
so
that's
how
come
some
of
this
language
is
better
hold
those
FTS
or
attempt
to
hold
just
because
then
you
start
to
see
other
accounts.
So
budgetary
budgetary
concerns
yeah.
Let
me
just
hire
six
firefighters
for
an
ambulance
shortages
and
everything
that's
going
to
trigger
and
that'll
be
basically
based
on
something
else.
Oh
it's
because
you're
on
City,
oh
it's
because
you're
your
PowerPoint
is
we're
going
into
it.
We
knew
those
those
calculations
were
there.
We
just
we
hired.
G
G
A
F
A
G
G
A
F
B
A
F
F
A
F
A
F
F
F
H
A
Actuarial
study
comes
back
and
the
board
determines
that
something
has
to
be
done.
Then
they
would
take
this
whole
process
over
again,
where
they
would
make
recommended
changes
to
the
benefits
or
eligibility
requirements,
and
then
it
would
fall
under
all
the
requirements
of
the
statute
which
will
go
to
about
it
has
to
be
going
to
evoke
any
changes
in
board,
except
unilaterally
is
the
expected.
Okay.
A
B
A
C
E
E
M
E
Our
concerns
on
this
issue
and
from
like
I,
say
again
from
your
request
to
entertain
the
idea
as
it
was
as
a
currency
said
it's
10
percent,
as
we
were
mentioning
is,
we
will
be
looking
at
something
like
adding
a
five
percent
on
top
of
it
throughout
the
different
levels,
and
we
came
up
with
these
numbers,
and
this
reflects
on
our
article
16.1
under
letter
d,
all
the
certifications.
So
the
reason
is
one
through
seven
is
each
each
certification
carries
a
different
percentage
and
each
rank
carries
basically
all
three
certifications
under
the
condition.
E
Internet
e,
the
employers
are
paying
additional
100
per
pay
period
to
all
firefighters
through
the
rank
of
Captain,
with
an
associate's
degree
from
from
a
college
or
university
accredited
by
the
southern
Association
of
Colleges
and
Schools
and
or
or
100
or
150
per
paper
to
Firefighters
to
the
rank
of
Captain.
With
a
bachelor's
from
a
college
or
university
accredited
by
Southern
Association
of
college
of
schools.
E
E
The
maroon
reflects
firefighter
with
a
paramedic
Certification
Number
Two
assistant
driver
with
a
paramix
verification
number
three
driver
with
a
paramedic
certification
number
four
Captain,
with
a
paramedic
certification
number:
five
district,
Chief
paramedic
Certification
Number
Six
Deputy,
slash
Marshall,
paramedic,
Certification,
Number,
Seven
assistant,
fire
chief
paramedic
certification,
letter
B
certified
that's
already
in
there.
Okay.
E
Changes
are
under
16.3.
This
refers
to
the
certified
Arsenal
arson
and
best
gear.
Slash
inspector
under
letter.
A
assignment
per
pay
period
is
as
follows
and
missed
it.
One
through
six
is
firefighter
assistant
driver
driver,
Captain,
District,
Chief,
Deputy,
Fire
Marshal,
under
16.4
or
Force
change.
The
letter
A,
the
sign
for
pay
period,
is
respondos
number
one
firefighter
two
assistant
driver
three
driver
four
Captain,
five
district
Jeep.
E
E
J
I
know
the
city
already
paying
about
17.5
when
it
comes
to
the
incentives
with
the
overtime
already
so
I
think
it's
something
that
you
know
we've
thrown
back
and
forth,
and
it's
something
that
you
know
as
much
as
we
would
want
to
get
rid
of
something.
I
think
this
is
the
one
thing
that
our
members
are
repeatedly
said
that
they're
they
would
not
budge
on
reiterated
it's
something
that
we've
been
talking
to
them
and
trying
to
explain.
J
You
know
as
far
as
the
benefits
of
the
city
to
where
you
know
they're
over
time
they
really
work
over
time.
This
number
will
want
to
grow
a
little
straight
costume
and
I
think
this
is
a
number
that
they,
you
know
around.
50
to
60
of
the
guys
are
still
comfortable
enough
to
to
say
that
you
know
I
would
be
willing
to
to
sign
off
on
some
generations.
A
And
so
overall,
my
understanding
is
what
you
did.
Is
you
took
what
the
10
was
added
took
that
amount
whatever
I
guess?
Would
you
use
an
average
or
how
did
you
come
up
with
the
with
the
numbers
to
do
to
come
up
with
the
flat
rate
and
then
I
I
anticipate
I?
Haven't
we
haven't
press
members
should
find
out
the
exact
percentage,
but
this
would
reflect
basically
like
if
it
was
a
10
ad
pay,
it
would
be
reflect
what
a
15
ad
pay
would
be,
but
just
in
a
flat
rate.
H
H
I
don't
know
this
is
this
is
just
specific
to
the
City
of
Laredo,
the
fire
department,
because
I
mean,
as
we
mentioned
before
or
as
the
city
has
mentioned
before
they
say
that
we're
the
only
ones
that
have
an
EMS
percentage
versus
other
cities
have
percentages
and
other
types
of
incentive
pays
like
longevity
pay,
but
you
guys
wanted
to
control
your
specific.
So
this
intensive
page,
so
we
try
to
do
that.
We
try
to
fulfill
the
city's.
L
E
E
A
F
C
B
H
H
And
this
is
where
I
guess
you
missed
this
part
you're
out
of
the
room.
This
is
where
I
said
we.
We
know
that
as
far
as
the
EMS
and
some
of
these
classifications,
yes,
however,
a
trade-off
is
like
in
San,
Antonio
and
Austin.
They
have
longevity
pays
that
are
percentage
increases
every
three
five
years.
Five
percent
raises
three
percent
raises
to
their
base
salary
and
we
don't.
If
you
look
at
our
longevity
pay,
it's
it's
Pennies
on
the
dollar
compared
to
them.
This
is
our
I.
H
H
K
K
J
E
H
J
J
Percentages
have
been
in
existence
for
40
for
around
40
years
right,
so
I
think
it's
something
that
you
know
was
asked
and
it's
something
that
we
came
up
with.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
the
city
you
know
is
not
happening
tonight
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
something
that
I
was
when
they
created.
You
know,
requested
paramedic
classes.
F
H
J
A
B
A
I
thought
it
was
a
certifications,
no
okay,
so
Jesus
costed
out
just
the
EMT
ones.
For
for
all
the
ranks
right.
Yes,
so
the
EMT
one,
and
that
would
be
was
it
this
one
right
here:
the
license:
paramedic,
yes
16.2,
and
just
for
that
one,
and
he
did
it.
He
was
trying
to
do
as
accurately
as
possible,
and
he
also
was
being
conservative
and
even
and
he's
he's
working
up.
A
But
just
with
that
one
that
we
were
able
to
complete
and
the
first
year
that
alone
would
cost
1.6
million
dollars
in
new
money
for
that
one.
So
it's
a
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
I.
Don't
know
that
we've
done
the
calculations,
but
it
would
be
but
I'm,
assuming
that
it's
going
to
be
around
15
rather
than
10
percent
kind
of
an
ad
pay
right
or
around
that
that
neighborhood
14
15
percent.
J
J
A
A
J
B
C
B
J
H
A
C
Effects
because
Brotherhood
we
I
can
provide
other
examples
where
you
want
to
make
different
decisions
based
on
you
know
all
the
people
that
are
retired
and
people
that
are
not
regarding
Insurance.
Let's
not
talk
about
Brotherhood.
Let's
talk
about
working
together
to
say
the
ones
that
are
here
will
not
be
affected
and
a
new
one
will
know
when
they
come
in
what
they're.
J
Expecting
I
think
overall
misery,
as
you've
mentioned
right.
I
think
you've
used
the
example
of
Brotherhood
that
we
always
try
to
take
care
of
each
other
and
it's
the
same
way.
We
wouldn't
I
think
most
of
the
guys
feel
the
same
way
that
they
would
not
do
anything
that
impacts
some
people
versus
the
other
people
because,
like
we
said
we're
trying
to
work
on
something
here
that
you
know
so.
H
C
B
H
That
was
in
there
before
you,
you
would
come
in
with
the
feeling
that
that
wow,
that's
pretty
unfair.
They
didn't
think
about
us.
I
mean
that
we're
encouraging
the
Brotherhood,
the
membership
to
stay
United
and
together.
We
feel
we
felt
that
the
city's
proposal
was
very
divisive
in
that
mentality.
That,
oh
these
older
gentlemen
or
you
know
these
older
members.
M
C
B
E
A
I
F
E
E
H
A
A
It
goes
to
the
same
thing
that
the
pension
is
facing:
it's
financial
responsibility
and
the
sustainability
of
the
system
right
and
here
what
what
the
city
is
is
looking
at
is:
okay,
the
that
the
cost
alone
for
the
ad
pays
was
at
the
6.6
million
dollars,
and
that
was
in
the
last
year
in
the
last
year,
and
it
keeps
going
up
because
people
promote
in
steps
and
we
get
new
people
Etc,
so
it
it
goes.
It's
it's
projected
I
think
well,.
L
E
But
the
city
actually
saves
money.
Take
one
of
us.
For
example,
if
we
promote
up
the
captain
I'm
replacing
a
captain,
that's
been
there
for
over
36
months,
yeah,
so
I'm
getting
paid
I
would
get
paid,
not
that
I'm
gonna
promote,
but
I
would
get
paid
at
a
lower
at
a
lower
rate
than
the
one
I'm
replacing
at
five
thousand
dollars,
but
I
be
getting
paid.
E
E
H
I
mean
I'm:
okay
with
that,
as
someone
that's
going
to
be
here
for
another
20
years,
I'm.
Okay,
with
that,
if
in
x
amount
of
years
I
mean
it's
saving
the
city,
it's
going
to
save
the
city
tenfold
going
forward
because
that's
the
argument,
the
city
presented
that
for
the
last
30
years
as
our
growth
space
gone
up,
you're
saying
the
incentive
pay
is
gonna.
This
would
be
the
solution
to
that.
I
mean
yes,
there
is
a
financial
toll
now,
but
I
mean
long
term.
I
F
B
C
B
B
I
Jurisdiction
where
we
saw
percentages
there
is
a
cap
on
the
limitations
on
incentive
pay.
It's
the
higher
dollar
amount
of
either
one
education
pay
based
on
the
highest
level
of
degree
receipt.
So
you
can't,
like
you,
don't
get
for
your
your
Associates,
your
Bachelors,
your
Master's,
you
get
the
highest
dollar
amount,
either
bilingual
skills,
verbal
written,
written
or
verbal
one,
EMT,
certification,
pay
and
up
to
three
specialized
Duty
assignment
phase.
F
C
G
C
G
At
the
end
of
the
day,
though,
it'd
be
impossible
for
us
go
to
go
down
the
road
in
the
future
to
be
able
to
get
things
done
and
to
to
come
to
a
systemic
approach
of
approving
future
contracts,
pension
contributions,
the
only
reason
we're
able
to
they're
asking
about
the
pension,
the
only
reason
we
were
able
to
reduce
time
after
time
benefits
was
because
everyone
was
on
the
same
playing
field.
We
stopped
the
infighting
between
the
firemen
so
that
we
can
make
more
responsible
decisions
and
I
don't
know.
G
If
you
guys
remember
you
were
there,
we
put
everyone
on
the
same
page
and
then
from
there
we
started
to
work
our
way
backwards
me
and
chap
have
been
there
for
over
a
decade.
Working
on
this,
we
know
when
you
we
needed
to
be
done,
which
is
why
we're
not
arguing
because
we're
getting
benefit
Cuts.
We
knew
that
those
firemen
were
retiring.
The
more
money
that
we
would
ever
see
retired,
but
we
knew
it
was
a
responsible
thing
to
do.
G
So
we'll
get
stuck
in
a
situation
where
you
just
a
fireman,
couldn't
agree
now
asking
the
firemen
something
you
would
entertain
to
get
out
of
the
percentage
pace
so
that
we
would
all
stay
together.
They
mentioned
the
most
okay,
let's
see
an
increase
here,
they
understand
they
voted
for
a
one
percent
decrease
and
it's
you're
right.
It's
not
a
pay
cut,
but
it
is.
They
are
going
to
see
less
money
in
their
pocket
as
soon
as
all
this
rolls
up
than
before
and
with
inflation
and
things
cost.
This
is
one
thing.
I
told
these
guys.
G
You
know
that
the
proposals,
the
pension
and
the
contract
happening
at
the
same
time
is
going
to
result
to
less
money
in
each
ramage
pocket
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
that's
going
to
make
it
almost
impossible
to
approve
any
kind
of
contract
if
that's
going
to
be
the
end
result.
So
the
only
thing
that
could
be
worked
on
was:
okay,
maybe
increase
that
amount.
G
Last
year's
overtime
was
3.6,
something
million.
If
you
didn't
have
the
assignment
pays
in
there,
it's
a
cost
about
600
000
savings.
If
we're
going
to
see
years
like
that,
you'd
say:
have
a
600
000,
just
500
000
average
savings
on
overtime
alone.
If
it
doesn't
say
that
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
they
were
talking
about.
That's
what
the
city
had
said.
We
don't
want
to
pay
that
in
overtime.
G
So
if
you're
saving
half
a
million
on
overtime
a
year
in
three
four
years,
it
pays
for
the
initial
initial
here
to
get
the
firemen
to
vote
a
certain
way.
The
only
the
only
thing
we
saw
wasn't
an
increase
up
front
with
the
savings
command
on
the
back
other
than
that.
We
could
all
sit
here
and
tell
you
right
now:
there's
no
way
a
contract
will
pass
if
removing
incentive
pays
and
creating
this.
It's
just
one
of
those
where
things
and
they
clearly
stated.
G
Okay,
we
propose
no
changes,
because
our
members
have
already
told
us
the
one
meeting
I
said
here:
you
got
text
right
right
out
of
the
gates.
Don't
even
consider
I
do
the
math
and
it's
not
a
bit.
We
get
a
one
percent
raise
the
increase
on
that
10
to
me
is
not
a
big
amount.
I
know
it's
a
it
compounds
over
the
years,
but
the
reality
is
it's
not
a
big
amount.
If
you
get
a
one
percent
raise
or
a
half
percent
raise,
MoneyCenter
pays.
C
But
we
need
to
start
just
like
we
are
doing
things
like,
like
Roxy
saying
to
the
pension
and
leading
to
do
things.
That's
what
we
need
to
do
too,
because
we
see
it
growing
and
growing.
We
see
six
million
dollars
of
athletes,
we
see
more
and
we're
gonna,
see
it
compounding
with
whatever
else
or
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
too.
Well.
G
Six
Million
went
to
seven
and
a
half
eight
million
the
first
year,
but
then
it
would
start
to
come
back
down
and
by
the
end
of
the
contract.
Maybe
it's
equal,
so
the
next
contract
at
that
point
was
incentives
are
now
locked
in
and
then
you
have
savings
on
the
overtime
that
we
we
understand
that
eventually,
yes,
it's.
G
And
I'm
not
to
say
that
I'm,
the
losing
man,
but
the
firemen
will
perceive
it
as
we're
only
losing
him
because
now
I'm
taking
less
than
I
was
before
or
what
potential
would
be,
but
to
get
them
to
move
out
of
it.
Now
I
I
can
tell
you
like,
for,
in
my
case,
I
I,
wouldn't
even
there
are
no
approach
to
membership.
G
As
far
as
saying
you
guys
get
to
have
this
and
you-
and
these
come
with
incoming
firefighter-
will
not
someone's
going
to
take
offense
and
it's
going
to
cause
issues
for
us
in
the
long
run.
I
would
advise
these
guys
to
not
do
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we
move,
we
all
move
together
and
to
get
the
members
to
vote
a
certain
way,
that's
kind
of
what
they
voiced
I
would
need
to
see
something
up
front.
If
you
want
me
to
move
out.
G
Yeah,
so
so
yeah,
the
last
time
you
made
a
comment
kind
of
like.
Oh,
you
guys
are
doing
this
I've
been
proposing
benefits
to
my
cuts
to
my
benefits
for
for
over
a
decade.
Now,
we've
worked
on
that.
We
understand
the
situation.
The
city
is
in
so
to
to
kind
of
say
that
you
know
third
or
just
Loosely,
that
we
haven't
been
looking
at.
G
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
the
city
wants
to
counter
propose
or
or
do
something
so
that
we
can
move
the
process
forward,
but
we
already
know
the
guys
at
my
station
as
soon
as
I
went
back.
You
know
you
guys
are
crazy,
like
they're
just
proposals
I
just
discuss
right,
but
that's
what
they're
looking
they're
looking
at
the
video
now
so
it's
kind
of
like
I,
know
what
the
city
is
asking,
which
are
to
a
certain
degree.
If
you
what
you're
asking
it
it
makes
it
almost
impossible
to
pull
off
now.
G
M
A
A
E
G
L
G
You
are
not
even
considering
increasing
anything
on
the
incentive
Pace
if
we
switch
from
a
percentage
to
Dharma
Ohio,
if
you're,
not
even
considering
that,
then
there
was
there's
nothing,
and
you
mentioned
that
earlier.
What
are
my
her
members
getting
they're
going
to
perceive
that
as
nothing
and
there's
no
way
they're
going
to
work,
we've
already
been
told,
don't
even
touch
it,
but
we're
trying
to
get
that
discussion
going.
B
G
It
it
makes
it
very
hard
enough
for
us
to
to
to
function.
We
saw
it
in
the
pension
system.
We
could
not
get
anything
done,
even
though
we
knew
we
were
headed
down
the
wrong
road
until
we
put
everyone
on
the
same
stage,
once
we
put
everyone
on
the
same
page
and
you
kind
of
stopped
the
infighting,
then
we
were
able
to
pull
back
some
of
the
those
benefits
and
those
needs
that
we
needed
to
do.
If
not,
it
would
have
been
impossible
to
pull
off.
B
G
And
then
it
happened
in
stages,
and
we
and
we
understood
it,
and
you
had
older
firemen
that
had
grown
up
under
one
system
with
new
environment.
While
we're
saying
is
that
if
we
go
down
that
road
again,
we
won't
even
entertain
it
because
we
understand
where
we
came
from
and
what
it
cost
and
what
it
would
cause
in
the
future.
It
would
be,
it
would
be
chaotic
for,
for
the
future
members.
I
Pension
issue,
because
it
was
in
a
dire
situation,
correct
so
so
what's
to
say
that
this
Finance,
like
let's
say,
for
whatever
reason
the
city
of
burrito,
were
to
fall
into
some
financial
crisis.
But
we
are
contractually
obligated
to
pay
these.
You
know
quite
large
amounts
who's
to
say
that
these
firefighters
won't
come
together
again
for
a
common
purpose.
G
G
It
and
that
argument
has
been
you
know:
we've
been
introduced
by
four
past
city
managers
and
then
every
single
time
we've
asked
to
sit
down
or
we
have
access
to
sit
down
to
consider
these
things.
We've
asked
every
Cinema,
City
manager
has
been
at
least
two
that
we've
asked
Can.
You
show
us
those
Dire
Straits
that
you're
talking
about
and
by
all
means
we
are
all
open
to
opening
the
contract
and
doing
something
about
it.
B
G
The
same
thing
over
and
over
well,
this
is
going
to
be
able
to
pay
Elixir
as
long
as
you
show
me
so
that
I
can
show
my
members
or
more
than
willing.
There
was
one
point
wanted
us
to
forego
our
raises
for
six
months
so
that
he
could
give
City
employers
a
raise.
We
told
him,
no,
sir,
if
that's
what
it's
going
to
take
and
there's
no
other
way
we're
all
in
he
said
never
mind
we
have
enough
to
give
in
the
race
and
it
ended
there.
G
So
I've
sat
there
with
these
city
managers
when
these
conversations
have
happened,
every
single
time
they'll
be
like
no.
We
just
wanted
to
see
what
you
would
answer
and
we've
done
we're
we're
more
than
willing
to
work.
We've
explained
this
contract
after
contract.
We
will
take
the
punches
with
the
city
as
it
comes,
but
we
will
also
want
to
be
there
for
the
winnings
right
and,
if
that's
the
case,
I
have
no
doubt
our
members
to
protect,
be
like
hey
instead
of
getting
rid
of
50
firemen.
G
Would
you
forego
this
raise
or
do
something
like
that?
I
have?
No
doubt
our
numbers
would.
Would
make
that
vote
happen,
but
we're
not
there
we're
at
this
situation.
I
understand,
there's
only
x
amount
of
dollars
and
there's
only
one
pie,
and
then
how
are
you
going
to
cut
in
it?
Whether
you
want
to
give
a
slice
or
not
all
we're
saying,
is
what
you're
asking
on
this
article.
G
B
M
A
K
A
That
was
and
I
think
that
was
the
very
initial
request
when
we
came
came
to
you
with
with
this
issue
that
the
city
has
is
that
the
issue
is
that
we
want
him.
We
want
your
son
to
have
be
able
to
have
the
opportunity
to
even
come
to
the
fire
department
and
we
don't
want
a
situation
to
become
where
it
becomes
too
expensive,
and
then
we
have
to
do
something
drastic
to
the
department
and
that
that
was
what
it
was.
It
was
the
financial
responsibility
and
the
fiscal
resp.
A
You
know
the
fiscal
responsibility
and
the
sustainability
to
make
sure
that
that
opportunity
is
there
for
your
son
that
the
City
of
Laredo
still
has
a
department.
That
is
up
that
we
can
pay
for
and
that's
operational
provides.
You
know
the
services
that
are
needed
and
to
provide
jobs
too.
So
so
we
will
look
we'll
look
through
this
continue.
Looking
through
this
proposal,.
J
I
think,
overall,
the
10
percent
I
think
if
you
practice
the
10
for
the
EMT
automatically
a
lot
of
people,
get
that
one
and
that's
the
highest
one
I,
don't
think
it
would.
It
would
be
a
1.6
to
be
able
to
add
those
other
incentives
onto
onto
the
proposal
each
one
like
each
other,
there's
less
people
that
actually
have
their
Master
certifications.
Favoritism.
J
You
know
it's
a
lot
of
people
who
do
have
six
percent
or
eight
percent
or
some
people
don't
even
have
any
percentages
at
all.
You
know
where
they
get
a
fixed
amount
already,
so
I
think
the
cost
factor
for
that
is
for
for
the
other
addition,
additional
percentage
would
be
a
lot
less
if
not
less
than.
G
Half
and
even
going
on
this
road,
this
is
a
savings
among
for
the
city,
and
we
had
a
discussion
on
implementing
new
units
and
the
Staffing
of
the
city
would
want
to
hire
the
bare
minimum
and
pay
overtime.
It's
a
big
reduction
at
the
overtime
cost,
if
right
now
that
we
do
evaluation
of
what
a
full-fledged
Fireman
versus
overtime
costs
and
what
the
city
would
prefer
that
even
tips
to
the
scales
even
further.
L
L
B
L
F
B
G
G
G
G
L
G
L
G
B
B
K
G
L
A
I
mean
we
need
to
look
at
it,
it
gets
really
it
it's
tedious
and
it's.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
all
the
impacts,
including
the
one
on
overtime,
to
understand
whether
there
is
any
cost
savings
and
what
we
can
calculate
that
to
be,
and
we
just
need
to
look
at
the
impacts
and
see
what
it
is
and.
L
I
think
it's
most
like
I
mentioned.
Most
of
the
overtime
is
coming
because
of
the
the
old
what
we
call
the
additional
shifts
we
have
to
hire
because
well,
because
we
need
to
have
the
if
the
25
vacancies
that
we
have
per
shipment
pretty
much
well,
it's
25
vacancies
on
those
three
chips
is
really
what's
causing
the
majority
of
the
other
day.
There
is
a
component
of
that
I
think
we're
paying
the
overtime
on
that,
but
it's
a
smaller
amount.
H
J
I
think
overall
I
would
I
would
help
the
argument
right
to
say,
there's
always
going
to
be
overtime,
but
as
much
as
we
wanted
stuff
for
our
entire
department
right,
there's
always
going
to
be
overtime,
yeah
and
I.
Think
from
from
our
end,
you
know
something
that
the
city
has
from
us.
I
think
that
something
that
we
brought
to
the
table,
because
we
have
been
discussing
that
it's
something
that
we're
going.
L
B
A
We
do
have
a
lot
of
work
to
look
to
to
do
to
analyze
this.
So
in
speaking
about
that
does
anybody
else
have
any
other
questions
on
the
the
ad
pay
article
16
I
know
that
we're
set
to
begin
at
9
00
a.m
tomorrow,
but
our
team
has
some
work
to
do
to
to
we've
been
already
we've
started.
Looking
at
this
and
we're
looking
at
the
costing
and
so
I
don't
know
we
may
need,
we
may
not
be
able
to
start
right
at
nine.
J
A
A
Okay,
we're
back
on
the
record
at
5,
50
p.m,
on
October
6,
2022.
I
practiced
with
my
team
and
we're
we
need.
We
have
some
items
that
we're
working
on
and
need
to
work
out.
So
we're
going
to
adjourn
this
meet
we're
requesting
to
join
this
meeting
and
we're
reconvene
at
9am
and
see
where
we're
at
at
that
point.
So
we
can
open
the
meeting
at
nine
and
try
to
figure
out
how
we're
gonna,
where,
where
we
are
and
how
we're
gonna
work
through
that
day,.