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From YouTube: Collective Bargaining Meeting, 05/20/2022
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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 05/20/2022
A
Just
make
sure
that
they
sign
in
the
signing
sheet.
Thank
you
for
meeting
us
here
today.
I'm
I
look
forward
to
sit
here.
My
name
by
the
way
is
roxanna
ferris
stevens,
I'm
an
attorney
from
denton
nevada
and
I
have
been
designated
by
the
city
of
laredo
to
act
as
a
lead
negotiator
on
behalf
of
the
city
to
include
the
city
manager
and
the
city
council.
A
In
these
negotiations,
we
look
forward
to
working
together
on
accomplishing
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
is
beneficial
to
both
the
firefighters
as
well
as
the
city,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
collaboratively
and
openly
in
order
to
achieve
those.
Sometimes
these
problems,
or
these
issues
that
we
face,
tend
to
get
very
technical
and
complicated,
and
it
requires
some
out
of
the
box,
thinking
and
creative
thinking,
and
I
want
to
sit
here
and
let
you
know
that
that
is
we're
willing
to
do
that.
A
And
I
will
be
as
creative
as
possible
to
achieve
both
a
a
beneficial
contract
for
everyone
to
make
sure
that
the
firefighters
are
properly
compensated
for
the
essential
and
important
services
that
they
provide
to
this
community
into
the
city
and,
at
the
same
time,
to
be
fiscally
responsible.
A
This
is
the
initial
meeting.
We
received
the
notice
of
intent
from
you
within
the
timely
pursuant
to
the
contract
and
we
acknowledge
that
and
then
we
also
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
on
the
record,
because
I
I
know
that
we've
done
it
by
email,
but
I
want
to
acknowledge
on
the
record
that
I
also
received
the
amended
notice
of
intent
and
also
advises
that
rafael,
gordon,
is
going
to
be
on
your
team
as
well
and
rafael,
and
I
have
have
a
very
good
working
relationship
and
we've
worked
on
a
lot
of
these
issues
together.
A
For
the
initial
meeting
today,
what
we're
really
going
to
accomplish
is
number
one,
identify
the
bargaining
teams
and
introduce
each
other
kind
of
a
nice
breaker
so
that
we
all
know
who
we're
dealing
with.
I
have
a
feeling
we're
going
to
be
spending
a
lot
of
time
together,
and
so
I
think
that
introductions
are
in
order,
and
that
way
we
can
get
to
know
each
other.
A
We'll
do
that
and
then
what
we'll
also
do
is
we'll
go
over
some
ground
rules.
I
have
some
proposed
round
rules
to
present
to
you
today
and
they're,
essentially
identical
or
essentially
the
same
to
the
ones
that
I
believe
that
were
signed
in
2018
is
what
I
had
in
my
records.
A
A
But
if
there's
any
issues
that
come
up,
this
is
we're
going
to
discuss
them
through
and
and
see.
If
there's
an
agreement
that
can
be
made,
if
it's
not
already
agreeable
after
we
do
the
ground
rules,
the
last
thing
that
I
would
like
to
accomplish
here
today
is
have
a
general
discussion
of
the
schedule.
A
I
think
we
need
to
start
setting
some
at
least
some
initial
bargaining
sessions
after
this
initial
meeting
and
then
the
first
bargaining
session
after
this
initial
meeting
will
actually
start
the
60-day
vlog.
A
We
want
to
talk
about
the
format
how
we're
going
to
accomplish
this,
and
the
format
includes
the
location
and
make
sure
that
you
have
a
comfortable
place
to
caucus
and
that
you
have
the
necessary
resources
that
you
need
on
your
side
to
get
the
information
in
the
stuff
that
you
need
to
to
do
your
side
of
the
negotiations,
and
we
kind
of
just
want
to
generally
talk
about
the
structure
and
the
content
of
how
the
negotiations
go
through.
A
As
you
know,
this
is
the
first
time
I've
negotiated
for
the
city
of
laredo,
but
I'm
very
familiar
with
collective
bargaining
negotiations,
and-
and
you
know,
every
every
city
has
its
own
personality,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
we
accomplish.
A
What
we
need
to
there
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
I'll
start
with
the
identity
of
the
bargaining
teams
and
and
what
I'll
also
do
it's
got
it's
going
to
be
reflected
in
the
ground
rules,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
also
do
is
also
provide
a
letter
to
you
that
actually
list
them
out.
That's
what
I've
done
in
other
cities
just
so
that
there's
you.
A
Easier
to
find
in
case
you're
looking
for
names,
there's
one
piece
of
paper
that
you
can
pull
up
like
I
said
my
name
is
roxanna
bettis
stevens,
I'm
an
attorney
and
I'm
the
lead
negotiator
from
denton
nevada.
Our
firm
has
been
designated
to
help,
negotiate
and
lead
these
negotiations.
A
A
On
my
team,
I
have
I'll
go
ahead
and
let
everybody
introduce
themselves.
C
D
E
C
A
And
we
are
missing
one
team
member
who
is
under
the
weather
and
not
attending
today,
and
that
is
juan
caballo
from
the
city
legal
office.
We
also
have
just
support
staff
since
juan
is
not
here
and
we
have
a
paralegal
I'll.
Let
her
introduce
herself
she's,
taking
notes
for
our
side
on
this
time.
She's
just
support
staff
and
not
not
actually
on
our
team.
D
G
F
D
And
we
are
missing
members,
our
sergeant-at-arms
victor
told
us.
He
couldn't
make
it
with
a
little
family
marine,
our
district,
vice
president
from
the
state
association,
which
is
also
very
part
of
the
royal
park
and
on
behalf
of
a
tsa
effect,
ralph
daughters,
which
currently
is
my
principal.
Yes,.
A
A
A
I've
seen
that
you
like
paper
copies,
but
what
I
like
to
do
also
is
if
we
need
to
especially
to
show
the
legislative
changes
red
lines,
things
like
that,
I
will
go
ahead
and
email
it
to
you
as
well,
and
that's
not
currently
in
the
proposed
ground
floors
I
have,
but
we
can
put
it
in
there
or
it's
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
usually
that's
how
I
deal
with
it
with
ralph
and
in
all
the
other
cities
that
I
I
do
so
that
we
have
one
document
that
we're
working
off
of
and
what
I'm
going
to
do,
for
instance,
the
ground
rules.
A
I
used
the
template
from
the
2018
final
one,
so
I
literally
pulled
that
one
up
and
used
that
as
the
template
to
update
it
when
we're
using
when
we
go
into
the
actual
proposals.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
create
one
contract
document,
make
sure
and
I'm
going
to
compare
it
to
make
sure
that
it
is
identical
to
the
signed
pdf
that
we
have,
we
will
designate
it.
A
I
will
send
it
over
to
you
so
that
your
team
can
do
the
same
and
verify
that
it's
the
proper
document
and
then
we'll
agree
to
work
on
off
of
that
one
document
so
that
we
can
so
it's
there's,
not
five
million
different
copies
going
around
and
it
will
work
like
that.
Okay,
so
let
me
pass.
Let
me
make
sure
this
is
the
one.
A
C
A
A
Okay,
let
me
know
when
you're
ready
and
I
can
start
going
through
it,
okay.
So
this
follows
the
format
and
is
the
substance
of
it
is
essentially
the
same
to
the
one
in
2018..
You
see
the
first
difference.
There
is
a
purpose.
I
thought
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
gets
lost
during
negotiations.
A
A
lot
of
times
is
what
the
purpose
of
these
negotiations
and
the
ground
rules
are,
and
I
think
the
purpose
is
nothing
more
than
to
is
a
mutual
statement
that
where
and
I'm
going
to
read
it,
but
nothing
more
than
a
statement
saying
we
recognize
the
issues
and
they're
difficult
issues
and
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
work
through
them
in
good
faith.
A
Basically
and
I'll
read
through
the
purpose-
and
I
just
think
it's
really
important,
because
when
we're
going
through
things
and
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
times,
that
we're
not
going
to
agree
and
we're
going
to
have
to
find
our
way
through
through
that
that
we
just
remember
that
this
is
the
basis
of
where
we're
coming
from,
and
it
basically
just
establishes
the
purpose
of
why
we're
even
doing
these
groundwork.
A
A
To
this
end,
the
parties
commit
to
open
and
honest
communication
in
a
sincere
effort
to
understand
each
other's
point
of
view
about
issues
which
must
be
resolved.
The
parties
will
strive
to
achieve
creative,
sustainable
and
fiscally
responsible
solutions
to
issues
that
are
mutually
satisfactory
to
both
of
their
interests,
and
it
just
says
these
ground
rules
may
be
modified
in
writing
by
mutual
agreement
with
parties.
A
I
think,
because
I
was
kind
of
counting
on
the
the
people
that
I
want
on
my
team,
that
that
would
that
are
going
to
be
accessible
to
me
to
have
the
resources
and
the
information.
I
need.
I
kind
of
counted
using
off
of
what
I
was
using
and
I
didn't
know
how
many
you
use.
But
what
we're
looking
at
is
each
respective
bargaining
team.
A
Shell
consists
of
no
more
than
six
members,
and
that
does
not
include
the
chief
negotiators
seated
at
the
table
and
if
you
look
at
the
letter
b,
the
letter
b
allows
for
the
parties
to
designate,
I
think
in
the
past.
You
have
designated
two
chief
negotiators
and
we
will
be
doing
the
same
and
that's
where
we
need
the
information
from
you.
A
We
need
to
know
who
the
chief
negotiators
for
the
association
are,
who
they're
going
to
be,
because
ultimately,
the
chief
negotiator
will,
as
we
read
through
the
ground
rules,
we'll
be
the
the
person
that
runs
the
meeting
from
their
side
and
calls
on
people
from
our
side.
We're
designating
the
chief
negotiators
as
me:
roxanna
I
fed
us
stevens
and
or
rebecca
s
hayward
and
the
designation.
A
The
chief
negotiator
may
be
replaced
only
by
the
directive
of
their
respective
clients,
the
city
of
laredo
and
association,
that
meaning
that,
I
can't
say
hey
you
need
to
get
charlie
off
of
here.
You
know
it's,
it's
just
something
like
that.
Where
we
each
party
makes
the
call
under
the
chief
negotiators
are.
A
And
that
way
you
can
caucus
about
all
any
any
other
issues
that
you
have.
I
think
it'd
just
be
more
efficient
and
then,
and
then
we'll
do
that.
A
I
just
didn't
know
if
y'all
had
already
designated
or
not
yeah,
okay,
see
the
initial
members,
and
this
is
where
we're
listing
ours,
and
I
need
to
confirm
that
and
double
check.
This
is
what
I
had
I
had
already
said,
or
the
city
has
has
said
as
their
negotiating
team.
The
initial
members
of
the
bargaining
team
for
the
city
of
laredo
shall
be
the
lead
negotiators,
so
that
will
be
whoever
is
designated
on
that
section
b.
A
And
then
we
have
the
ultra
members
may
be
members
from
the
health
and
benefits
division
and
the
finance
department
that
that
means
that,
if,
for
some
reason,
linda
can't
be
here
that
you
know
we'll
have
an
alternate.
E
A
I
think
there's
some
notification
provisions
that
that
continue
on
d,
the
fire
chief
should
not
be
a
member
of
the
bargaining
team
or
an
alternate,
but
the
fire
chief
or
a
management
level
representative
from
the
fire
department
may
be
available
to
the
city
bargaining
team
for
consultation
purposes,
with
respect
to
any
provision
affecting
the
operations
of
the
department
section
e.
This
is
where
we
need
the
information
from
you
and
I'm,
assuming
that
this
is
you're
going
to
caucus
about
this.
A
The
initial
members
of
the
bargaining
team
for
the
association
shall
be-
and
I
just
placed
rafael
and
you,
because
those
are
the
ones
that
I
knew
that
were
already
going
to
be
there
and
then,
of
course,
if
any
of
those
are
the
league
negotiators,
those
are
not
counted
in
the
states.
So,
okay,
f,
the
only
the
duly
designated
bargaining
team
members
authorized
to
sit
at
the
table
shall
be
allowed
to
participate
in
the
negotiations,
except
as
otherwise
agreed
by
the
chief
negotiators.
A
Further,
the
negotiation
shall
be
conducted
primarily
through
the
chief
negotiators
or
a
designee,
and
I
just
wanted
to
note.
I
think
that
all
of
these
provisions
are
the
same,
except
for
that
first,
one
that
changes
it
to
six
members
and,
of
course,
the
information
on
who
the
current
bargaining
members
are.
But
if
I
recall
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
each
one,
I
don't
believe
that
there
were
any
changes
made
to
this
ge.
A
Now
you
know
when
it
comes
to
emergency
situations,
I
think
that
we
can
we're
I'm
sure
that
we
will
both
work
together,
such
as
somebody
getting
getting
diagnosed
with
covid
or
a
family
emergency
things
like
that.
So
I
don't
mean
for
any
of
this
to
prevent
any
of
that,
where
we're
here
to
work
together
and
recognize
the
human
element
of
what
we're
being
used.
Okay,.
A
I,
the
parties
recognize,
stipulate
and
agree
that
the
collective
bargaining
process
is
being
conducted
primarily
through
meetings
of
their
respective
bargaining
teams.
A
quorum
must
be
established
by
both
bargaining
teams
in
order
to
commence
a
bargaining
session,
the
quorum
for
the
association
shall
consist
of
the
chief
negotiator
and
no
less
than
two
members
a
quorum
for
the
city
shall
consist
of
the
chief
negotiator
and
one
member.
A
The
party
with
the
quorum
may
at
its
discretion,
with
the
quorum
requirement
for
the
other
party
for
discussion
purposes,
but
no
ta
shall
be
signed
under
these
circumstances,
and
then
this
is
the
same
from
last
year.
So
if
we
need
to
have
any
discussion
on
the
quorum,
just
let
me
know
jay.
Nothing
in
these
groundwork
should
prevent
or
preclude
each
bargaining
team
from
having
numbers
present
for
purposes
of
consultation
and
confirmation
of
facts,
figures,
processes
and
procedures.
A
We'll
go
to
section
2
authority
of
the
chief
negotiators,
a
the
chief
negotiator
for
each
party
shall
have
the
authority
to
lead
the
negotiations
and
shall
be
responsible
for
maintaining
order
with
respect
to
his
or
her
respective
bargaining
team
b.
Only
the
chief
negotiator
of
each
party
may
authorize
and
allow
members
of
the
bargaining
team
to
address
a
point
or
make
a
presentation
c.
The
chief
negotiator
for
each
party,
with
the
consent
of
the
bargaining
team,
may
make
tentative
agreements
which
we
call
tas
or
commitments
regarding
specific
terms
and
conditions
raised
in
the
contract
negotiations.
A
All
tentative
agreements
remain
subject
to
final
formal
approval
of
the
contract
document
by
the
city
of
laredo
city
council
under
a
dually
posted
an
action
item
posted
in
compliance
with
the
texas
open
meetings,
act,
an
approval
by
the
majority
vote
of
the
association
and
its
members
consistent
with
their
internal
processes,
procedures
and
bylaws,
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
section
174
152
of
the
texas
local
government
code,
that
that
is
the
chapter
on
collective
bargaining
for
police
and
fire
section
three
negotiation
sessions.
A
The
parties
shall
meet
and
agree
upon
a
negotiation
schedule.
The
chief
negotiators
made
by
mutual
consent
postpone
or
reschedule
a
meeting
negotiation
sessions
shall
be
scheduled
to
allow
for
up
to
eight
hours
of
negotiations
in
caucus
time
and
will
not
last
more
than
eight
hours
unless
circumstances
dictate
otherwise
as
determined
by
the
respective
bargaining
teams.
Now
this
this
particular
section
has
changed
a
little
bit.
A
I
have
been
involved
in
negotiation
sessions
that
last
you
know
12
plus
hours,
and
when
we
get
to
that
point,
it
seems
that
sometimes
the
it's
people
lose
focus
on
what
the
actual
issue
is
and
people
get
tired,
and
so
the
the
purpose
of
this
is
not
to
have
such
a
long
session
that
nothing
gets
done
and
feels
or
spun.
But
what
we
want
to
do
is
if
it
requires
more
than
eight
hours,
then
we
either
continue
it
to
the
next
day.
A
Pursue
it
to
the
as
long
as
it's
in
compliance
with
the
texas,
open
meetings,
act
or
schedule
a
session,
that's
really
close
there,
too.
Okay!
So
that's
not
I'm!
Not
the!
The
proposal
is
not
to
limit
any
time
of
time.
It's
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
productive
time
and
make
sure
that
we
move
efficiently.
A
C,
the
frequency,
the
time
and
the
number
of
meanings
shall
be
scheduled
with
due
regard
to
the
impasse
deadlines
imposed
under
section
1784.152
of
the
texas
local
government
code.
Where
is
otherwise
extended
by
written
agreement
the
negotiation
sessions
during
the
negotiation
sessions
either
party
may
request
a
break
or
caucus
during
the
negotiation
sessions.
A
Section
four
schedule
a
presentation
for
proposals,
and
this
we,
I
kind
of
briefly
touched
on
this,
but
it's
going
to
be
part
of
the
ground
rule
so
that
it's
established
section.
A
the
initial
meeting
shall
be
for
the
following
purposes,
and
today
is
the
initial
meeting
number
one
to
set
the
initial
identity
of
each
bargaining
team
number
two
discussion
and
adoption
of
the
ground
rules
and
number
three
general
discussion
of
the
schedule:
format,
structure
and
content
of
the
negotiations
b.
A
This
shall
be
denominated
as
the
first
bargaining
meeting
for
purposes
of
chapter
174,
texas,
local
government
code,
and
what
that
does
is
that
establishes
that's
when
the
60-day
timeline
doesn't
start
today,
we're
basically
kind
of
just
doing
very
administrative
and
logistics
portions
right
now,
but
we'll
start
the
timeline
when
we
add
the
basically
at
the
next
meeting
where
the
proposals
will
start
going
across
the
table
c.
The
party's
goal
is
that
the
fourth
bargaining
meeting
shall
be
the
last
meeting.
A
Any
new
initial
proposals
may
be
submitted
in
writing
and
presented
by
either
negotiation
team
subject
to
any
mutually
agreed
modification
of
the
schedule.
Now
I
believe
that
last
year
it
was
three
bargaining
meetings.
I
don't
know
when
I
was
looking
at
it.
I
know
that
I
have
a
lot
of
information
that
I
need
to
digest
in
order
and
I
need
to
discuss
with
my
clients
and
the
people
I
represent.
So
that's
why
I
propose
a
fourth
bargaining
meeting
and
with
the
idea
that
we're
going
to
set
some
meetings
pretty
frequently
and
pretty
often
okay.
A
A
Section
five
new
news
releases
printed
matter:
eight.
During
the
negotiations,
neither
party
shall
unilaterally
issue
news
releases
or
hold
any
press
conferences
in
any
form
or
issue
any
other
printed
material.
Regarding
the
events
during
negotiations
or
the
status
of
the
negotiations,
the
request
for
comment
or
information
by
any
representatives
of
the
media
shall
be
referred
to
the
chief
negotiator
for
each
party,
each
of
whom
is
authorized
to
handle
the
inquiry
at
hand
in
their
own
discretion.
A
I
think
I
need
to
put
a
in
there.
That's
a
type
of
a
non-specific
nature
may
be
issued
by
either
chief
negotiate,
but
the
chief
negotiator,
upon
the
request
of
the
media
and
such
statements
shall
not
be
considered
as
a
violation
of
this
section.
So
just
note
that
I
have
I'm
adding
just
fixing
some
words
that
are
missing
that
mean
a
and
a
d,
a
short
statement
of
a
non-specific
nature
and
then
issued
by
either
the
tooth
negotiator.
A
Okay,
one
in
the
event
impasse
is
defined
by
chapter
174,
texas,
local
government
code
is
reached.
The
parties
may
at
that
time
unilaterally
communicate
with
the
press
or
the
public.
These
are
everything
under
the
news
releases
and
printed
matters
is
the
same
as
the
previous
ground
rules
that
were
agreed
to
six
contacts
during
negotiations.
A
A
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
that
we
ask
that,
in
order
to
move
forward
with
good
grade
bargaining,
that
any
discussions
happen
between
the
designated
bargaining
teams
and
any
information
needed
or
requested
be
done
through
each
each
respective
party,
where
we
can
obtain
that
from
our
people,
you
can
obtain
it
from
your
people
and
exchange
it,
and
the
bargaining
is
actually
done
here
at
the
table
b.
A
A
Seven
contract
document,
the
contract
document
shall
be
created
and
maintained
in
an
ms
word
format,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
correct
or
what
you
all
prefer.
That's
what
was
done
in
2018
during
the
negotiations
and
draft
of
the
document
she'll
be
maintained
by
the
city's
chief
negotiator.
A
An
adequate
number
of
copies
of
all
proposals
and
and
or
counter
proposals
shall
be
provided
to
the
members
of
the
respective
opposite
bargaining
team
for
use.
During
the
negotiation
sessions,
copies
of
the
draft
document
shall
be
made
available
to
the
association's
chief
negotiator
and
or
the
association
president
upon
requesting
within
the
reasonable
time
for
use
of
the
negotiation
sessions.
A
The
final
version
of
the
negotiated
contract
shall
be
maintained
by
the
association
secretary,
as
well
as
by
the
city
secretary
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
rural
e.
The
parties
agree
that
it
shall
be.
It
shall
not
be
necessary
to
record
the
negotiation
sessions.
However,
either
party
may
utilize
note
takers
during
the
meetings.
The
parties
agree
that
there
shall
not
be
any
surreptitis
recording
of
the
negotiation
sessions.
A
So
everything
here,
if
I
recall,
is
the
same-
this
is
where
I
I
have
committed
that
I
will
send
emails
to
you.
I
don't
know
that
it
necessarily
has
to
be
in
the
ground
rules,
but
I
would
ask
the
same
if
you
can
email
at
least
a
document
when,
when
we
get
paper,
if
I
can
get
an
email
as
well,
because
it
will
be
easier
to
work
off
of.
F
A
E
A
Not
a
lot
of
copies
going
around
so
I
may
want
to
add
that,
like
to
be
each
chief
negotiator,
will
email
a
copy
of
the
proposal
or
kind
of
proposal
to
another
chief
negotiator.
A
Oh
and
the
city,
because
of
circumstances
have
changed
since
2018,
with
covet
and
zoom
and
all
of
these
ways
in
the
way
that
the
city
runs
its
public
meetings.
A
So
in
the
spirit
of
the
way
that
public
meetings
are
run,
this
public
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
so
that
it's
available
to
the
public
and
pursuant
to
the
way
that
the
city
does
the
things.
It
also
will
it's
being
reported
and
will
be
archived
and
available,
and
I
believe
it's
on
the
youtube
channel
and.
A
Section
eight
open
meetings,
a
the
parties
agree
with
the
negotiation
sessions,
except
for
team
caucuses
and
any
mediated
sessions
are
open
to
the
public
to
the
fullest
extent.
You're
writing
for
by
chapter
174
of
the
texas
local
government
hope
I
just
want
to
mention
something
on
that.
A
I
have
had
some
some
circumstances
where,
at
the
end
of
the
negotiation
session,
when
there's
an
issue
that
that
we
need
mediated-
and
we
I
don't
know
if
y'all
have
ever
used-
fmcs
the
federal
mediator
and
conciliation,
it's
a
free
service
paid
by
it's
actually
paid
by
taxpayer
dollars
was
a
free
service
to
help
on
labor
negotiations
and
labor
issues,
and
if,
if
for
some
reason
we
have,
we
need
or
have
one
of
those
new
leaders
come
in.
A
I
think
one
of
the
rules
for
them
if
we're
under
the
fmcs
is
that
mediations
are
confidential.
But
I
would
need
to
address
that
issue
if
and
when
it
ever
came.
But
I
just
needed
to
note
that,
because
that
may
be
something
that,
if,
if
it
went
there,
I've
just
had
recent
experience
with
that
the
confidentiality
of
an
fmcs
mediation.
A
Nine
bargaining
process
deadlines
a
the
party's
intent
to
conclude
the
bargaining
process
within
the
past
deadlines
contemplated
by
section
174.153
of
the
texas
local
government
code,
and
that
is
a
it
should
say.
Tlgc
subject
to
newly
executed
extensions
and
writing
is
authorized
by
law
b.
Each
party
reserves
their
statutory
and
other
legal
rights
with
respect
to
the
bargaining
process.
Unless
modifications
are
agreed
to
in
writing,
10.
negotiation
negotiating
time
for
bargaining
unit
members.
This
is
all
the
same
as
well.
A
These
ground
rules
being
the
subject
of
mutual
agreement
between
the
parties.
May
be
modified
by
agreement
at
any
time
to
serve
the
interests
of
the
bargaining
process,
provided,
however,
that
any
modification
to
these
ground
rules
must
be
in
writing
and
signed
by
each
chief
negotiator
and
b.
These
ground
rules
are
to
be
self-enforced
as
procedural
rules
for
the
ordinary
conduct
of
business.
A
The
parties
do
not
intend
that
these
rules
are
binding
as
contractual
provisions,
and
it
has
the
signature
lines
for
the
chief
negotiators
and
it
outlines
the
bargaining
team
members
for
for
each
each
party,
the
city
and
as
well
as
associations,
and
so
that
is
the
those
are
the
proposed
ground
rules
to
govern
our
collective
bargaining
sessions
and
negotiations.
A
If
you
have
any
questions
now,
I'd
be
happy
to
take
them
or,
if
you'd
like
to
caucus
and
then
come
back
you
just.
Let
us
know.
A
And
just
so,
you
know,
because
these
menus
are
public
by
under
chapter
174.
We
have
to
post.
So
when
we
do
a
schedule,
we
have
to
have
at
least
72
hours
in
order
to
be
able
to
close
the
meeting
and
under
the
posting,
the
link
to
the
actual
broadcast,
so
that,
if
somebody
sees
it
and
can't
be
here
in
person,
but
they
want
to
look
at
it
they're
able
to
to
watch
it
live
stream.
A
I
think
there's
like
a
25
second
delay,
but
but
they
can
watch
it
live
and
it
will
be
available
in
an
archive
form.
At
the
same,
is
it
the
same
link
a
little?
It
should
be
at
the.
A
C
D
At
this
time
we
did
we,
we
did
look
over
the
the
proposed
run
rules
and
the
ones
from
the
president
for
the
previous
negotiations
right
now.
We
want
to
give
a
review
and
take
it
back
to
the
people
that
are
not
actually
currently
present,
because
there
have
been
there's
an
issue
that
was
brought
up
where
apparently
one
of
the
signatures
here,
he
doesn't
remember
signs
and
the
other
man
is-
was
already
in
prison.
She
passed
away
so
like.
I
can't
go
ahead
and
say
no
okay.
D
He
doesn't
remember
signing
anything
the
signature
from
our
youth
former
union
president.
It
is,
it
is
recognizable,
but
since
he's
no
longer
here,
I
can't
ask
him:
what
did
he
sign?
What
was
this
specifically
because,
even
then,
they're
being
I'm
being
told
okay?
Is
there
any
initials
on
any
other
papers
where
it
was
you
know,
was
agreed
to
any
changes
were
made.
A
Our
firm
handled
the
2018
negotiations
and
this
is
directly
from
our
file
so
that
that's
where
we
derived
the
those
that
one
and
I
actually
have
a
what
I
emailed
you
was
a
colored
copy
of
the
actual.
I
know
it
didn't
print
out
in
color.
I
didn't
ask
ask
carol
too,
but
I
sent
you
what
we
have
and
it's
a
scanned
colored
copy
and
that's
that's.
What
is
in
our
file.
D
So
I
just
requested
time
to,
like
I
say,
take
it
back
to
something
that
I'm
currently
present
just
to
review
it
because
we
went
through
it.
We
had
issues
but,
like
I
say
that,
wouldn't
be
safe
to
basically
inappropriate
to
be
able
to
sign
something
where
I
can't
refer
to
the
previous
people
that
are
present
in
this
group.
Okay,.
A
So
so
this
is,
this
is
the
issue
that
I'm
presented
with
since
we're
still
dealing
with
the
logistics
and
the
ground
rules.
Are
we
at
the
next
meeting
the
next
meeting,
we're
still
gonna
be
dealing
with
ground
rules?
Are
you
gonna?
Do
you
anticipate
preparing
to
present
proposals,
then.
A
D
A
Absolutely
was
there
well
there's
a
couple
of
questions
then
I
have
just
generally
number
one:
do
you
know
who
the
chief
negotiators
are
or
have
you
made
that
determination,
yet
okay
and
who's
that
going
to
be.
A
Just
so,
I
know
who
to
address
correspondence
to
and
make
sure
that
okay
and
I'll
I'll
obtain
after
the
session
I'll
I'll
get
your
email
and
then
secondly,
just
general
issues.
Are
you
comfortable
just
talking
about
the
general
issues
that
you
may
have
with
with
anything
in
the
ground
rules
that
way
we
can
also
be
looking
at
it
or
are
you
yeah?
We.
D
D
Actually,
on
the
section
two
letter,
a
just
like
this
for
clarification,
each
representative
bargaining
team
so
consists
of
no
more
than
six
members
not
encountering
the
chief
negotiator.
So
this
puts
us
at
seven
or
eight
cents.
A
It
would
be
my
intention
was
eight,
so
we
can,
we
can
add
s
chief
negotiate
terms
or
in
parentheses,
but
my
the
way
I
read
it
in
the
intent
that
I
was
trying
to
explain
was
that
there's
a
section
for
each
of
where
we
designate
our
chief
negotiators
and
those
chief
negotiators
do
not
count
towards
that
number.
Six.
Okay,.
D
The
only
reason
it
was
brought
up
because
the
same
verbiage
was
on
on
this
one,
but
the
negotiator
was
included
in
the
in
the
sixth.
G
C
A
Wanted
there
to
be
normally
when
we
designate
teams,
you
know,
I
just
didn't,
want
it
to
be
too
small
or
too
big,
and
I
wanted
to
be
for
everybody
to
be
able
to
have
the
resources
there.
So
then
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
okay
well,
we
need
chief
negotiators
here,
no
matter
what
that's
they're
part
of
the
team,
but
for
the
extra
part,
that's
why
we
decided
on
six
and
we're
available
to
we're
we're
willing
to
discuss
that
number.
A
D
A
Be
okay,
no,
that's
not
the
intent,
and
if
we
need
to,
if
we're
willing
to
to
consider
clarifying
language,
the
intent
is
that
we
can
des
we're,
designating
two
chief
negotiators
or
lead
negotiators
on
each
team
and
then
the
the
numbers,
the
six
members
of
is,
does
not
include
them.
So
the
chief
negotiators
don't
count
against
the
number
six
okay,
okay,.
B
Yeah,
we'll
I'm
sure
that
you
need
to
do
you
have
the
the
number
of
members
of.
D
B
B
D
D
D
A
D
In
in
the
past,
it's
been
proposed
and
we've
been
in
opposition
of
it
in
the
previous
two
contract
negotiations
with
the
city,
for
the
simple
reason
is
that
it
also
limits
our
activities
that,
when
we
work
with
the
city
or
city
council
member
in
different
in
different
aspects,
throughout
the
functions
that
they
might
have
or
just
simple
talks
that
we
might
have.
Okay.
A
Is
not
intended
to
cut
off
any
all
any
and
all
communications
with
the
city
council
members,
but
this
what
this
is
doing
and
and
I'd
be
happy
to
consider
some
clarifying
language
on
this.
But
what
this
is
doing
is
during
the
60-day
we're
doing
the
bargaining
period
that
starts
today
and
includes
a
60-day.
E
A
The
bargaining
period
that
has
begun
since
we've
had
our
initial
meeting
that
the
mandatory
subjects
of
the
mandatory
that
any
of
the
subjects
that
or
we
talk
about
here
today,
such
as
wages
leave.
You
know
the
things
that
are
part
of
the
contract
are
discussed
here
at
the
table
and
with
us
because
we
have.
We
represent
the
city
council
and
the
city
manager
and
the
city
as
a
whole.
A
So
we're
the
designated
bargaining
team
and
pursuant
to
the
good
faith
negotiations
under
chapter
174
and
and
the
commitments
that
we've
made
in
our
contract
and
into
our
intent
to
bargain
that
all
the
conversations
in
information
exchange
should
happen
here,
because
then
it
becomes
very
difficult
to
if
you're
talking
to
people
outside
and
then
they
come
and
ask
questions
and
it
you
know
it
it
kind
of
it's.
A
It
becomes
this
trying
to
corral
a
lot
of
different
things
that
are
happening
when
we,
when
that's
the
reason
that
we're
designating
bargaining
teams-
and
we
have
you-
know
we're
sitting
at
the
table-
to
discuss
these
issues
in
an
open
and
transparent
way
and
be
informed,
and
so
that
is
it
so
where
the
the
term
is
from
the
time
that
we're
bargaining,
it's
only
with
regard
to
the
subjects
it
doesn't
prevent
you
from
going
and
talking
to
any
council
member
or
or
going
to
have
lunch
with
them
or
seeing
them
in
functions.
A
But
what
it
does
say
is
that,
while
we're
doing
the
negotiations,
the
negotiation
happens
here
at
the
table
and
not
at
that
function.
Okay,
so
that's
the
only
that's
the
only
intent
and
you
still
have
that
ability
and
I
think
it
falls
within
the
parameters
of
what
good
faith
bargaining
is
and
why
we're
here
and
that's
the
only
reason
that
that's
all
that
that
that
says,
okay.
D
Now,
when
I
say
it's
in
an
issue
in
the
past,
with
the
association,
let's
say
during
the
during
the
collective
bargaining,
where
it's
been
in
opposition
and
their
teenagers
arise
from
it,
the
language
that
we
got
and
how
we,
how
we
interpret
it,
is
that
it
would
borrow
us
from
completely
complete
attacks.
But
then
he
comes
with
money.
A
D
What
was
brought
at
the
table
but,
like
I
said
just
the
simple
language
we
have
is
like
it
just
bars
us
not
only
that
is
you're
going
to
have,
since
you
are
the
city
and
you're
you're
negotiating
their
part,
the
fact
that
that
doesn't
bother
you
from
not
influencing
from
having
those
talks
as
opposed
to
us.
We
have
no
avenue.
D
G
G
A
A
So
you
hear
where
we're
coming
from,
and
so
I
want
you
to
consider
that
and-
and
let
us
know
what
you
counter
propose-
I'm
going
to
caucus
with
my
team
after
this
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
if
we
need
to
come
sit
back
down
or
we
can
discuss
it
at
the
next
meeting,
but
but
I
think
that
issue
is
really
important
to
protect
the
integrity
of
the
process.
A
That
you,
that
you
want
to
have
that
you
have
a
voice
and
that
you
do
as
constituents.
A
So
this
is
only
for
the
short
bargaining
period
and
it
is
quite
short-
and
this
is
the
time
because,
as
I
represent
the
city
and
the
city
council,
it's
my
duty
and
my
obligation
to
advise
them
and
they
actually
have
access.
A
That's
one
of
the
other
reasons
that
I
that
this
is
being
recorded
in
live
stream
and
will
be
archived
and
available
so
that
anybody,
whether
it
be
a
city
council
member,
you
know
anybody
from
the
city,
a
member
of
the
public,
another
firefighter
one
of
your
members
of
the
association
that
they
can
see
for
themselves,
and
if
they
have
questions
they
can
get,
you
know
they
can
come
to
use
the
association
or
the
city
that
can
come
to
me
and
and
and
pose
those
questions,
and
that
we
can
discuss
them
here
at
the
table.
F
A
This
is
where
you
bring
those
concerns
and,
and
that
that's
where
that
comes
from.
A
D
B
A
What
we're
talking
about
is
only
the
subject
of
bargaining,
and
then
you
know
if,
for
some
reason,
we're
talking
about,
for
instance,
wages,
which
is
always
one
of
the
big.
C
A
Issues
in
any
collective
bargaining
session,
you
know
that
you're
at
a
function-
and
you
start
talking
to
a
council
member.
E
A
Another
elected
official
about
those
wages
about
stuff
that
we're
talking
about
here
that
that's
the
thing
that
that
I
think
is
inappropriate
and
that
we're
trying
to
make
sure
happens
here
at
the
table
so
that,
if
there's
questions
that
we
can
present
the
information
or
look
for
the
information
here
and
present
it
in
a
public
manner.
A
And
so
so
that's
that
that's
the
thing,
and
I
hope
that
I
explained
it
enough
and
if
you
have
any
other
concerns
in
the
meantime,
as
a
chief
negotiator,
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
me
and
I
will
update.
I
will
answer
your
questions
and
provide
you
with
any
any
further
information
that
you
need
prior
to
the
next
one.
Okay,.
A
Well,
these
ground
rules
are
a
matter
of
procedure.
At
this
point,
I
think
that,
in
order
to
facilitate
good
faith
negotiations
and
to
move
this
forward
and
achieve
a
contract,
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
the
impetus
for
us
to
follow
the
ground
rules
follow
the
good
faith,
bargaining
requirement
and
talk
about
the
items
here.
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
not
the
the
way
that
this
is
is
we're
kind
of
self
self-enforcing
and
self-governing
so
per
se,
there's
not
a
breach
of
contract
or
any
any
kind
of
it's
amazing.
C
A
And
that's
that's
where
I
was
going,
you
know
it's
not
per
se
like
this
is
okay.
This
is
done.
What
happens
then
is
it
throws?
It
throws
the
track
off
into
any
kind
of
headway
or
any
kind
of
solutions
that
we
can
come
through.
E
A
It
really
does
affect
the
integrity
of
the
process
and
the
the
ability
of
communication
and
trust
to
be
built
amongst
the
two
teams
and
and
to
be
able
to
just
find
a
solution.
E
A
F
I
mean
we've
never
heard
you
believe
in
this.
You
know
ascension
of
the
contractor
negotiations
or
something
that
you
know
we
intend
to
abide
by
and
we
will
tend
to
follow
it's
not
something
that
you
know.
We
don't
want
it
there,
because
we
intend
to
do
something
that
you
know
we
shouldn't
be
doing,
but
basically,
but
we
just
overall,
don't
want
you
know
appearances
or
miss
something
to
get
mischievous
in
any
way
that
we're
doing
certain
things
and
just
by
an
appearance
that
was
talking
to
certain
individuals.
F
C
G
D
And
the
intent
of
this
is
just
as
a
reference
point,
because
there
are
other
members
involved
during
different
contract
negotiation
than
or
had
had
in,
that
would
affect
the
contract
or
a
better
understanding
of
conflict
where
that
might
be
out
of
our
scope
or
remembrance.
B
Okay,
yeah
and
we'll
I'll
look
at
that.
A
Issue
but-
and
I
think
that
that's
probably
something
that
you
all
have
to
deal
with
like
with
your
bylaws
and
how
you
you
comprise
your
negotiation
team.
So
I
understand
that.
E
B
A
There
I
think
that
within
the
ground
rules
that
is
also
addressed,
that
we're
able
to
bring
in
people
with
historical
knowledge
and
reference
point.
So
I
don't
think
that
that's
prohibited
at
all.
They
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
part
of
your
bargaining
team,
but
you're
you
decide
who's
on
your
teeth
so,
but
I
can't
do
that
for
you
so
so
I
understand-
and
I
understand
that
and
we'll
consider
that
okay.
A
No,
I
think,
I
think
we're
gonna
wait
to
see
what
we
receive
from
you
and,
and
we
can
discuss
it
at
the
next
meeting,
which
brings,
I
guess
to
us
to
the
next
point
is
of
available
dates.
I
think
that
we
probably
need
to
talk
about
that,
at
least
not
that
we're
gonna.
A
We
don't
have
to
solidify
it
now,
but
I
know
that
ralph
had
sent
over
some
of
his
dates
and
I'm
going
to
he
has
due
he
took
off
10th,
but
he
has
june
15,
21
and
22
july
11
through
15th
and
18-22.
A
I
don't
know,
and
that's
just
when
he
was
available.
I
don't
know
if
you
need
him
for
the
next
meeting
on
the
ground
rules,
so
yeah.
E
C
A
Be
able
to
to
do
something
on
that,
maybe
on
the
june
10th
day,
possibly,
I
need
to,
of
course
confirm
with
my
team,
but
let's
at
least
come
up
with
a
range
of
dates
so
that
we
can
confirm
in
the
next
week
or
the
next.
You
know
I
guess,
monday
or
tuesday
we
can
visit
with
each
other's
teams
and
then
confirm
by
email
when
how
to
set
the
schedule.
E
A
Okay,
so
we
can
probably
look
at
maybe
at
least
for
the
next
two
meetings.
What
I'm
going
to
look
at
is
june
10th
to
finish
up
the
initial
meeting,
the
initial
portion
of
the
meeting
and
do
the
ground
rules
and,
and
whatever
else
is
left
and
then
we
can
look
at
june
15th
to
maybe
be
the
first
bargaining
session,
and
if,
for
some
reason
that
is
not
going
to
work
with
my
team,
we
will
provide
you
with
alternate
dates.
Just
in
that
very
close
to
those
days.
Okay,
okay,.
A
A
I
need
to
look
at
the
calendar.
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
discovered
during
collective
bargaining
is
sometimes
when
we
have
back-to-back
meetings.
We
don't
get
a
lot
accomplished,
especially
when
we're
dealing
with
like
big
issues.
A
I
think
that
issues
that
are
not
complicated
and
there
are
fairly
fairly,
almost
very
agreeable
from
from
this
onset
like
if
we
deal
with
the
easier
proposals
and
the
easier
articles
at
the
at
the
beginning,
we
can
probably
schedule
back-to-back
meetings
in
those
kinds
of
instances
and
maybe
get
all
all
the
the
the
easy
stuff
out
of
the
way
and
then
hit
the
meet
the
needy
stuff
later.
A
When
we
hit
things
that
require
a
lot
of
information,
a
lot
of
background
research
or
we
need
to
go
see
operation
logistically
how
things
work
on
the
proposals
that'll
take
we'll
have
probably
have
maybe
once
a
week
or.
A
That
so-
and
I
know
during
the
summer,
some
people
have
vacations
and
stuff,
of
course,
we'll
be
considerate
of
that
and
to
make
sure
that
the
team
members
are
there,
I'm
what
I'll
also
do
if
I
have
any
dates
that
I'm
not
available
I'll,
send
you
those
ranges
as
well,
but
I
want
to.
I
want
to
set
a
fairly
frequent
schedule,
but
with
enough
time
that
we
can
together
and
make
sure
that
we
have
all
the
proper
information
to
make
informative.
You
know
informative
proposals
and
considerations
on
those
sure.
C
A
Okay,
yeah
and
I
think
for
at
least
for
today's
session.
I
think
that
we've
hit
on
all
the
big
things
and
then
we'll
we'll
confirm
june
10th
and
set
up
the
posting
and
everything
and
I'll
copy
you
on
that,
and
we
will
so
just.
D
E
A
When
the
first
bargaining
session
starts
okay,
so
I
think
that's
probably
the
only
big
question
left
that
we're
going
to
have
to
answer
in
the
meantime.
Okay,
all
right,
it
was
very
nice
meeting.
You.