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A
A
All
right
next
item
is
a
public
hearing
and
recommendation
of
an
ordinance.
This
is
a
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
city
lawyer
about
rezoning
lots
of
one
through
ten
block
276
a
Lots
one
through
ten
block
277
a
and
a
30-foot
wide
between
block
277,
a
in
278,
the
Western
Division,
located
at
1600
Water
Street
from
b3
to
CBD.
A
G
Thank
you,
commissioners,
the
dandavat
under
general
manager,
with
the
outlet
mall.
We
are
requesting
the
change
in
zoning
as
we
are
building
a
building
at
a
new
restaurant
at
the
center
stone,
that's
tine,
it's
a
pizza
concept
and
the
reason
why
were
requesting
this
change
is
simply
to
you
know,
have
complimentary
beer
and
wine.
G
It's
strictly
complimentary
beer,
wine,
it's
within
the
center,
there's
no
outside
visibility
or
anything
to
the
neighborhood.
As
you
know,
the
east
side
of
the
mall
is
already
CBD.
We
just
want
to
make
the
west
side
the
same
and
now
for
this
to
the
new
tenant.
Also,
all
the
properties
on
the
north
side
of
the
mall,
our
cvd
already,
so
we
so
pupae
do
questions
any
questions.
G
A
I
A
Dia
you
just
spoke:
oh,
is
that
for
second
gear
I'm!
Sorry,
alright!
Yes,
this
is
we're
now
asking
anybody
who
wish
to
speak
against
the
zone:
change
yes
or
against
mister
lugia.
J
Go
ahead
and
put
stuff
here
that
one
show
for
pictures
here,
I'm
speaking
against
because
votes
again
good
afternoon
as
it
is,
since
the
outlets
came
in
I've,
been
having
nothing
but
headaches
with
people,
locking
my
driveway
and
right
now.
One
of
my
neighbors
has
been
complaining
of
that
lives
right
in
front
of
the
malls.
This
is
another
thing
also
there's
a
sinkhole
has
been
creating
at
the
outlets.
J
Is
this
before
and
I
have
pictures
of
after
here
are
some
other
pictures
that
I
have
of
just
the
people
either
blocking
my
driveway
I've
even
got
I
I
even
had
to
like
park
in
my
driveway
to
prevent
from
people
parking
in
my
driveway
and
then
I've
got
two
tickets
because
of
that
and
I've
gone
to
have
any
more
than
I've
spoken
to
mr.
Ayers,
and
she
once
made
the
comment
that
she
couldn't
be
giving
out
tickets
to
people,
but
lucky
might
driving
every
time.
J
I
would
call
which
I
didn't
understand,
but
it's
a
daily
thing,
I
find
trash
that
I
have
to
pick
up
all
the
time
and
I'm
a
freak
when
it
comes
to
recycling
I'm,
respecting
all
the
time.
On
time,
we're
not
going
down
the
street
and
I'll
pick
up
whatever
is
recyclable
and
whatever
I
can
so
they
can
loom
them
cans.
J
Here
the
tickets
act
when
the
police
officers
to
show
up
it's
constant,
constant
and
I'm
very
good
at
documenting
when
it
comes
to
like
people
parking
in
my
driveway
or
blocking
from
me
getting
into
my
home.
That's
my
only
reason
for
being
against
it.
I
did
reach
out
to
one
neighbor
of
whom
the
ping
us
who
live
in
Lodge
number
15
was
right
here:
16:14,
they're,
elderly
and
older,
the
youngest
daughter.
J
She
couldn't
make
it
because
she's
taking
care
of
her
parents
but
she's
the
one
that
told
me
for
me
to
take
a
picture
of
all
the
foul
order.
That's
coming
out
of
one
of
them.
It's
in
this
picture,
that's
coming
from
the
outlets
and
it's
pretty
much
fall
and
it's
right
in
front
of
her
home.
So
those
are
just
my
reasons
for
speaking
out
against
it.
So
let's
take
my
block
number
or
yeah.
It's
yours,
yeah
I'm,
at
seventeen,
thirteen,
seventeen,
thirteen
correct,
sir!
What
street
are
we
on
mini-grant,
unknown
corner
Damien?
Grant
resources?
J
J
J
You
know
that
you
can
park
in
the
outlets
and
they
make
that
I
don't
want
to
seem
disrespect
for
and
what
some
of
the
worst
they
said
they
made
the
comment
gateway
bar,
which
I
found
that
later
on,
when
I
went
to
work,
they
said
they
said
about
work
unless
they
don't
want
to
park
it
in
the
outlets,
because
only
guy
like
that
in
two
hours
of
free
parking
at
outlets,
so
they
park
where
I
live,
which
really
inconveniences
me
because
I
have
to
park
somewhere
else.
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A
I
mean
I
can
see
his
frustration,
but
really
he's
about
a
block
away,
I
guess
from
the
mall,
but
but
I
do
see
where
you
know
you
know,
if
he's
having
those
problems
right
now,
it
may
not
really
be
an
issue
with
the
zoning
change
that
we're
talking
about,
but
it
is
an
issue
that
he
has
at
this
point
and
it
being
something
that
has
anybody.
Have
you
contacted
anybody
other
than
the
traffic
department.
J
Come
on
yes,
I
have
and
they've
even
told
me
that,
where
I
live
on
the
corner,
that
they've
even
ticketed
cars
and
they've,
told
me
repeatedly
that
they're
good
that
they
were
gonna
paint
or
it's
because
it's
already
the
red,
the
red
on
the
sidewalk,
is
very
faded.
So
it's
already
they've
told
me
several
times
that
they're
gonna
send
somebody
to
paint
it
because
cars
pointing
west
on
Grant,
Street
Kent
can't
make
the
turn
going
towards
the
outlets.
So.
J
J
K
A
Can
have
me
move.
This
is
not
working
not
if
they're
working
for
a
drug
Lea
look
at
it.
Look
into
that
because
I
mean
he's
got
a
situation
there
that
it's
kind
of
unique
well
more
than
then
it
would
really
impact
I.
Think
what
we're
discussing
matura
terms
of
the
public
hearing,
sure,
okay,
all
right
so.
E
E
D
A
A
This
is
a
requested
consideration
of
the
new
master
plan
revision.
The
antennas
residential
and
commercial
proposed
action
is.
This
is
a
seventy
three
point:
eighty
seven
acre
tract
located
east
of
Bob
bulik,
loop
and
south
of
Jackman
Road.
It's
only
for
this
254
lot.
Development
is
r1
r1,
a
b3
and
before
this
track
is
located
in
district
5,
the
post
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning.
A
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A
We
have
motion,
and
second
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Those
against
motion
carries
next
item
that
we
have
is
a
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plan
of
the
attack.
Billboard
number
three:
the
intends
commercial
there's
a
point:
zero
eight
four
acre
tract
located
south
of
the
Loma
zetsu
Boulevard
in
West,
Oakland
Orientals,
the
zoning
for
this
one,
not
development
is
r1
and
the
post
action
is
approved.
Subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning
and
notice
to
developer
premier
engineering
is
the
engineer:
is
there
any
questions
for
the
engineer?
D
A
A
Next
item
that
we
have
is
deliberate
consideration
of
the
blood
of
the
a
chap
billboard
number
for
the
antennas
commercial.
This
is
a
point:
zero
1/4
attract
located
north
of
peta,
Magana,
road
and
east
of
quattro
hit
the
road
and
the
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning.
D
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M
D
A
A
second
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye,
those
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
that
we
have
is
a
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plateau.
Mars
lawyer
properties
antennas
commercial.
This
is
a
1
point:
1
2,
3
8
acre
tract
located
north
of
Jaime,
Zapata,
Memorial,
Highway
and
east.
To
eventually
end
the
drive.
A
A
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A
Have
a
second
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Those
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Mmm-Hmm
next
item
is
a
preliminary
consideration
as
replied
a
lot
to
14
and
to
15
blockade
Regency
Park,
section
2
unit,
1
subdivision
plat
into
lot
to
15
a
Regency
Park
section,
2
unit,
1
subdivision,
replied
the
attend
is
residential.
Purpose
of
this
replant
is
to
join
two
smaller
Lots
into
one
larger
lot.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning
from
engineering
from
water
utilities
and
they
noticed
it
Webb,
County
and
a
notice.
A
A
Next
Adam
has
plenary
reconsideration
of
the
plight
of
him,
but
in
buck
little
face
to
subdivision
a
tennis
commercial.
This
is
a
twenty
one
point
eight
eight
point:
eight
six,
seven
acre
tract
located
north
of
Bob
bulik,
loop
and
east
of
farm-to-market
1472,
there's
only
four.
This
warlock
development
is
m1.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
in
the
following
comments
from
planning
for
modern
utilities,
from
Webb,
County
and
notice
to
developer
from
planning
engineers,
Camacho
Mendez,
&
Associates.
A
Next
item
that
we
have
is
the
preliminary
reconsideration
of
the
plan
of
Nava
panchito's.
The
intent
is
commercial.
This
is
a
one
point:
three
five
acre
tract
located
south
of
Farm
to
Market,
1472
and
west
of
coal
mine
Road.
There's
only
for
this
one
lot,
development
is
m1
and
the
proposed
action
is
approved.
Subject
to
the
following
comments
from
Planning,
Webb,
County
and
I
noticed
a
developer.
Get
you
here.
Mr.
Castillo.
B
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I
That's
that
property
to
the
south
is
landlocked
mm-hmm,
and
in
order
for
him
to
get
access
or
even
to
Plata's
property,
the
city
is
going
to
require
a
50-foot
ride
away
to
get
to
that
block.
That's
that's
my
ordinance!
So
what
what
they're
doing
is
they're
providing
the
50-foot
right
away
easement,
so
you
can
get
to
the
lot
private
easement,
okay,
but
what
comes
with
that
is
the
requirement
that
it
also
be
improved
to
city
standards,
which
is
kind
of
manifestly
unfair
for
that
guy
North.
I
The
guy
planning
to
have
to
do
an
improvement
to
serve
the
guy
on
the
sound,
so
we
agreed
with
them
that
they
put
the
50-foot
right
away
there.
That
would
allow
that
whoever
that
owner
is
to
plat
that
lot
when
they
come
in
to
plant
it's
their
responsibility,
to
bring
it
up
to
spec.
That's
why
it's
got
a
deferred
eating
requirement.
Okay,
now
they've
made
a
very
good
faith
effort
in
trying
to
locate
that
home
and
have
not
had
any
luck.
So
that
was
further
reason
or
further.
I
You
know
motivation
for
us
to
try
to
give
them
somewhat
of
a
variance
if
you
will
on
the
paving
issue
if
they
find
the
owner
or
if
they
end
up
behind
a
lot
or
whatever
happens
to
it,
they
can
come
back
and
replant
to
take
the
note
off
or
do
something
different.
You
know
whether
they
buy
it
or
somebody
else,
but
that's
the
only
way
we
can.
We
can
get
their
flat
approved
and
still
mean
you
know
the
spirit
and
it.
A
Seems
an
undue
burden,
because
this
is
a
small
lot,
an
acre
and
you're
taking
fifty
feet
just
because
you
need
access
to
the
other
lot
and
I.
Don't
disagree
that
you
need
access!
You
don't
want
to
land
lock
anybody,
but
one
at
25
foot
right
away
serves
the
same
purpose,
and
that
gives
you
two
travel
lanes
without
a
problem.
It.
I
D
Couldn't
you
go
instead
of
making
the
50
feet,
go
the
length
of
that
of
lock
for
and
end
it
at
50
feet
into
not
for
you
see
how
it
it.
Basically,
the
50
feet
goes
the
whole
length
of
it
yep.
So
you
could
theoretically
satisfy
the
the
language
of
the
ordinance
by
only
making
it
go
50
feet.
Past
I!
Guess
its
lot
550
feet
in
to
lock
for
where
you
don't
use
the
50
foot,
access,
easement,
the
length
of
lock
force
and
then
he's
technically
in
compliance
with
your
ordinance
cuz.
D
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K
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A
D
D
A
I
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D
I
D
A
D
It
would
revise
it
to
show
a
motion
to
prove
subjects
the
following
comments
with
the
addition
of
an
additional
note.
Whether
I
would
assume
it's
under
planning
that
the
right
away
on
the
extent
50
feet
past
the
border
of
lock,
4
and
lot
of
lot.
Five
and
lot
for
running
I
believe
that's
running
west
southwest.
O
A
A
Next
item
we
have
is
the
final
consideration
of
the
plight
of
sunny
seasonally
East.
What
Feathersword
subdivision
phase
one
the
antennas
residential-
and
this
is
a
twenty
seven
point-
three
five
acre
practice
located
north
of
Simone
Boulevard.
So
we
see
one
Bolivia,
Boulevard
and
East
a
bookie
Hoodman
Boulevard
to
zoning
for
this
138
lot.
Development
is
our
one
and
the
proposed
action
is
approval.
D
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
I'm
not
welcome
to
a
proof
or
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye.
Those
gates
motion
carries
next
Saturday.
We
have
is
a
final
consideration
of
the
platter
Shiloh
Highland
subdivision.
This
is
a
nineteen
point.
Eight
acre
19.8,
eight
he
could
track,
is
located
east
of
some
that
you
have
a
new
in
north
of
International
Boulevard.
Here's
a
hundred
two
lakh
development.
It
is
r1
a
and
the
proposed
action
is
approval.
C
H
A
And
excitement
we
have
is
consideration
of
the
extension
of
the
spinal
blood
approval
for
force'
transportation.
You
didn't
want
antennas.
Commercial
is
eighteen
point.
Five,
six
acres
located
north
of
doctor
mark
in
1472
and
east
of
Hawaii
Drive
is
only
for
this
one.
A
lot
development
is
AG.
The
previous
Commission
action
exciting
was
granted
final
plan
approved
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
on
December
the
3rd
of
2015.
A
Next
item
that
we
have
is
discussion
with
possible
action
of
men
doing
many,
the
Loretto
line
development
code,
I'm
city
loiter
by
revising
article
four
section:
twenty
four
point:
six:
five:
one:
zero
general
supplemental
provisions,
letter
a
residential
to
allow
tractors,
trucks
and
certain
trailers
to
park
in
residential
zoning
districts,
with
a
parking
permit
for
writing
for
a
publication
and
effective
date.
Mr.
Bratton
who's
going
to
make
this
presentation.
Well,
it's.
I
It's
more
of
just
we
put
it
on,
because
this
is
something
that
counsel
had
discussed
back
in
I.
K
K
We're
gonna
ask
the
Commission,
for,
was
you
know,
maybe
a
workshop
or
a
special
meeting
where
we
can
have
an
hour
to
go
over
that
with
the
Commission
and
see
what
kind
of
ideas
you
all
have
and
what
what's
acceptable?
What's
not,
and
what
you
don't
want
to
recommend
to
the
council
regarding
allowing
those
tractors
back
into
the
residential
neighborhoods
I
will.
K
E
D
I
mean
the
easy
problem
and
then
the
other
thing
is
in
the
past.
I've
been
on
this
commission
for
three
years
now,
four
years
now,
we've
approved
the
r18
we've
created
new
new
zoning
options
that
create
for
more
dense
housing
problems.
Our
houses
were
smaller
Lots
or
we've
reduced
the
number
of
feet
and
setbacks
where
it
would
be
almost
physically
impossible
for
tractor
trailers
to
fit
entirely
in
a
lot,
not
even
counting
when
the
fire
marshal
and
representative
fire
departments
here
who
they've
never
been
very
big
fans
of
us.
D
Putting
these
high-density
neighborhoods
because
of
the
difficulty
of
them
reaching
people
further,
adding
in
even
more
tractors
and
going
back
to
the
primary
purposes.
We've
as
a
city
have
never
done
a
very
good
job
of
enforcing
tractors
or
any
parking
problems,
whether
it
be
by
the
Lord
of
police
department
or
whomever,
is
in
charge
and-
and
we
can
set
this
up
but
I
think
would
be
something
that
I
think
the
fire
marshal
can
come
up
and
make
a
comment
if
he
wants
to
and
I'd
love
for
him
to
say
it.
N
Department,
obviously,
what
you're
looking
at
is
putting
larger
vehicles,
but
but
it's
not
necessarily
on
the
street
I
mean
I.
Guess
this
isn't
like
you
mentioned,
it's
not
an
order.
Yet
it's
something
that
they're
looking
at
doing
so
what
we
could
do
as
a
fire
department
is,
if
you
do
have
a
subcommittee,
we
could
have
a
member
present
that
way
whatever
you're
all
looking
at.
We
can
put
our
input
in
also
sure
and.
I
It
could
be
the
full
commission,
I
mean
it
could
be
a
regular.
We
could
have
a
you
know,
special
commissioning
and
all
the
commissioners
came
here,
you
know
quorum
can
attend
or
you
can
put
it
on
on
a
subcommittee
which,
which
would
be
for
commissions
it's
either
way.
You
want
to
do
it
it's,
but
what
we
want
is,
or
what
we're
looking
for
from
my
department
is
the
opportunity
for
the
Commission
to
weigh
in
on
this
because
I
think
it's.
I
I
agree
with
you,
I
think
and
I
think
we
could
have
that
discussion
at
that
kind
of
a
meeting
where
you
know
everybody
kind
of
just
thought
about
it
and
mold
it
over,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
it
and
decide
what
direction
where
the
Commission
can
decide
what
direction
they
want
to
go.
What
kind
of
a
recommendation
they
want
to
make
I
mean
it's
not
unheard
of
for
the
Commission
to
say
we
don't
think,
that's
a
good
idea.
I
You
know
I
mean
because
of
this
this
this
this
this
and
then
you
take
that
forward
and
if
counsel
says
well,
we
disagree
with
the
Commission
go
back
and
do
it.
That's
that's
a
different.
You
know,
that's
that's
the
policy
committee
or
that's
the
policy
power
of
the
council,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
fleshed
out
and
discussed,
and
then
a
recommendation
sent
to
the
council.
I
You
that
I'm,
you
can
tweak
okay,
yeah
well,
we'll
go
back
and
we
can
provide
you
the
tape
where
they
talked
about
it
and
stuff.
We
would
do
that
at
the
workshop
or
at
the
special
meeting.
So
here's
what
was
sad,
you
know
and
then
we'll
have
some
some
information
as
well.
We'll
have
fire
come
in
and
also
talk
about
what
what
happens
is.
I
I
I
Is
that
you
know
those
those
drivers
they
they
get
up
early
in
the
morning
and
those
trucks
are
not
quiet,
so
you
know
four
o'clock
in
the
morning
they're
turning
their
vehicles
on
and
what
happens
to
the
peace
and
quiet
of
the
neighborhood
they're
working.
You
know
you
know,
so
that's
knowledge,
sometimes
they've
even
running
you
have.
Then
then
you
say:
okay,
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
have
a
permitting
process
and
we're
gonna
allow
these
tractors
back
into
the
neighborhood.
I
Then
what
happens
to
all
the
other
commercial
trucks
and
guys
that
are
pulling
trailers
and
going
hey,
wait
a
minute
I
have
a
lift
truck
I
have
this
kind
of
a
truck?
Why
can't
I
come
and
park
on
my
property?
You
let
these
other
guys.
So
all
of
those
things
have
to
be
discussed,
they
have
to
be,
you
know,
articulated
and
then
the
Commission
can
make
their
recommendation
say
yeah.
I
I
I
D
A
That
affects
every
everything
all
because
if
I
go
back
in
time
many
years
ago,
when
an
r3
allowed
tech
potatoes
to
park,
the
ordinance
was
changed.
Okay,
the
orders
was
changed
at
Poly
15
years
ago
to
disallow
tractor
traders
from
parking
in
our
three
zones.
So
now
we're
looking
at
there's
another
council
member
and
in
particular
district
as
I
believe
the
change
came
out
of
district
7
if
I'm
not
mistaken
back
there.
Okay,
because
I'm
not
gonna,
play
some
citizens
on
noise.
A
Now
we're
looking
at
15
20
years
later,
going
back
and
analyze
the
situation
again
and
and
and
it's
good
analyze
it
I
mean
given
a
Dorito.
Is
the
industry
does
have
a
lot
of
Transportation?
We
like
it,
you
know
industries,
so
it's
worth
looking
into,
but
I
think
we
did
definitely
need
to
look
into
it
with
a
full
commission
on
the
pros
cons
so
that
this
commission
can
make
an
intelligent
decision
as
to
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
year
for
recommendation.
Well,
that's
all
we
can
do
is
make
recommendations.
F
F
D
A
I
We
also
need
to
look
at
and
get
get
some
guidance,
I
guess
and
some
input
from
the
Commission
on
what
we're
talking
about.
When
we
talk
about
low
me
in
a
high
density,
because
high
density,
you
know
usually
means
like
apartments
things
like
that,
but
this
high
density
also
mean
r1b
Lots,
which
are
3,000
square-foot
long
is
that
gonna
be
considered
high
density
is
manufactured,
housing,
considered
high
density
or
medium
density
or
low
density.
I
I
This
is
what
we're
sticking
to
you,
and
this
is
what
the
council
has
said
is
there
is
their
template,
and
so
that
needs
to
be
updated,
cleaned
up
and
and
modified
in
a
sensible
way,
so
that
the
comp
plan
can
can
work
with
thee.
Only
I
mean,
if
you
sure,
land-use
map,
and
then
you
started
just
in
the
ordinance
over
here
on
the
land
development
side,
the
land
of
on
the
code
side
as
well
so
I
mean
we're
gonna
have
to
stage
it.
I
F
I
think
I
think
it's
really
great
that
you
bring
up
this
point
because
I
think
a
lot
of
times.
I
can't
speak
for
myself,
but
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
times.
We
really
don't
know
or
understand
what
the
objective
of
Zoning
something
a
certain
way
under
the
plan
was
done
for
why
that
decision
was
made,
and
so
then
we
get
we
get
something
that
trying
to
deviate
from
it,
and
the
only
comment
that
we
have
is
well
the
only
we
don't
have
a
problem
with
it.
F
The
only
reason
that
we're
objecting
to
it
is
because
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
compound
and
I
feel
like
the
Planning
Department.
Really
you
are
you
all
fall
under
the
auspices
of
the
city
manager
and
the
city
manager
is
directed
with
policy
and
the
ordinances
that
the
City
Council
designs
so
I.
Just
in
my
view,
just
structurally,
it
seems
like
you
all,
are
the
ones
who
are
here
to
advocate
for
the
comp
plan
and
so
that,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
variation
from
the
comp
plan
that
we're
required
to
decide
upon.
F
We
really
have
that
discussion,
one
we're
coming
up
on
an
issue,
that's
asking
for
a
variation
on
the
comp
plan
and
I'm,
not
a
professional
planner
I,
don't
work
in
the
zoning
department
Finan
in
the
planning
department.
So
there's
no
way
for
me
to
evaluate
that.
There's
no
way
for
any
of
us
detect
it,
except
for
maybe
you,
sir,
because
you
obviously
this
is
you
had
this
career,
but
at
least
I
can
speak
for
myself
the
rest
of
us.
F
I
If
you
read
the
comp
plan,
the
council
adopted
the
comp
plan.
That's
our
that's
our
guidance.
We're
obligated
to
you
know,
stay
sort
of
within
the
four
corners
of
the
conflict,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
comp
plan
was
the
end-all,
be-all,
perfect
document.
Okay,
there
are
always
going
to
be
unintended
consequences
and
when
you
take
a
land-use
map
that
had
been
approved
way
before
the
complex
and
it
sort
of
has
evolved,
if
you
will
and
take
your
comp
plan
and
then
throw
that
into
the
comp
plan,
you're,
it's
gonna
be
disjointed.
I
Okay,
because
the
comp
plan
I
mean
the
future
land
use
plan,
recognize
our
current
zoning
scheme
or
another
car
or
then
Zoning
scheme,
which
is
our
current
zoning
school.
Okay.
The
comp
plan
is
a
recommendation
and
guide
and
all
that,
but
it
still
needs
to
sync
up.
So
when
you
have
a
different
kind
of
land-use
description,
okay,
it's
very
difficult
to
make
them
work.
Okay
and
in
the
comp
plan
I
mean
it
tells
us-
and
you
tell
us-
you
know,
you're
supposed
to
be
advocate
for
the
comp
plan,
all
that.
I
Well,
it
tells
us
that
we're
supposed
to
do
that,
we're
supposed
to
tell
you
when
it's
out
of
sync
and
we
do,
and
we
tell
you
why,
because
right
now,
that's
what
our
map
is
showing
us
now.
The
other
thing
is,
it
is
very
seldom
if
ever
that
we
are
asked
our
opinion
on
why
that
is
like
that
or
what
do
you
all
see
or
what
you
know?
What
do
you
think
about
this
inconsistency?
I
Part
of
the
reason
that
we
don't
offer
it
is
because,
just
like
you
it's
it's
only
recommendation
or
observation.
The
ultimate
zoning
change
is
within
the
discretion
of
the
City
Council.
So,
even
if
you
have
a
zoning
map,
that
shows
a
certain
pattern
and
the
council
says
we
don't
like
that
pattern
or
we
don't
think
it's
applicable
or
we
think
that
you
know
m1
is
great
they're,
not
r1.
I
Well,
guess
what
whether
it's
in
the
comp
plan,
whether
it's
on
the
future
land
use
map
or
anywhere
else,
the
discretion
to
make
that
decision
and
to
make
that
change,
is
up
to
the
City
Council
one
more
second,
once
the
City
Council
makes
that
change
and
an
ordinance
is
approved
by
both
state
law
and
not
by
state
law,
but
by
the
Charter
I
believe
and
by
the
land
development
code.
It
automatically
updates
that
piece
of
the
future
land-use
plan.
I
So
when
they
make
that
decision
that
gets
changed
in
the
future
land-use
plan
and
that
then
we
can
go
back
and
look
at
and
see
that
progression
and
say
you
know
what
councils
have
made.
What
was
once
a
residential
corridor,
they've
allowed
it
to
become
more
commercial
and
they're,
allowing
it
to
become
more
intensely
commercial
over
time.
And
then
you
start
looking
at
saying.
A
I
I
mean
you
know
you
could
you
could?
Mr.
chairman?
Sometimes
it
gets
kind
of
strange?
What's
in
your
future,
land-use
plan
is
going
to
mirror
your
long-range
thoroughfare
plan
when
you
start
seeing
a
need
to
change
that.
I
think
that
that
recommendation
can
be
made,
but
I
mean
that's.
That's
a
lot
of
additional
I
think
you
know
and
I'm
afraid
it'll
get
lost,
in
other
words
that
you're
going.
N
I
Each
of
the
sections
of
the
city,
with
a
future
land-use
plan
and
you're
saying
you
know
what
there's
a
real
build-up
here,
so
this
road
is
going
to
continue
to
be
commercial
and
when
it's
extended,
maybe
it
needs
to
be
wide.
We
can
note
that
and
say
this
is
how
it's
gonna
it's
going
to
happen,
but
otherwise
to
try
to
get
into
the
longer
endure
for
plan
without
doing
the
future.
A
No
I
think
you're
right
I
think
we
need.
We
probably
get
that
there
her
plan,
but
have
you
heard
that
once
we
get
them
both
in
zinc?
Anybody
who's
coming
to
the
city
and
I
was
gonna
plan
to
develop
that
those
are
the
tools
they
look
at
trying
to
make
an
investment
in
your
community
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
got
them
synched
up,
but
I
agree.
The
lighting
use
is
the
first
thing
we
need
to
look
at
and
then
and.
I
F
My
follow-up
comment
was
at
our
last
meeting.
There
was
a
request
to
allow
for
the
development
of
additional
mobile
homes
in
an
area
that
already
had
mobile
homes,
but
the
comp
plan,
I,
guess
designated
the
area
where
the
developer
was
going
to
create
the
new
mobile
homes
as
something
where
mobile
homes
were
not
allowed
right.
So
the
comment
was
well
there's
already
mobile
homes
Ursula
might
as
well.
F
Let
them
stay
right
but
see
that
just
goes
to
the
point
of
why
the
city
invested
in
the
compound,
because
I
think
at
some
point
there
was
a
decision
that
the
direction
in
which
the
city
has
been
developing,
it's
not
creating
the
kind
of
quality
of
life
and
the
types
of
communities
and
neighborhoods
that
we
want
to
have
developed
in
the
city
right
so
I
mean
so
sitting.
Here,
it's
very
easy
to
just
see
a
bunch
of
mobile
homes.
You
know
ten
feet
away
and
say:
okay,
let's
do
mobile
homes.
F
All
I
was
saying
is
before
we
make
that
decision.
Why
don't
we
have
a
conversation
about
why,
despite
the
fact
that
there
was
mobile
homes
in
that
part
of
the
city,
there
was
a
choice
to
designate
the
area
next
to
it
to
be
something
that
did
not
allow
them.
Was
there
a
reason
for
that
and
we
did
not
get
in
response.
F
Where
I
ask
a
question,
then
you
guys
give
and
I
already
I
feel
Joey
coming,
and
so
you
know
that
was
just
my
only
point
was
that
and
again
maybe
it
was
perfectly
fine
to
have
the
mobile
homes
I,
don't
I,
don't
even
care
about
the
mobile
homes,
I,
don't
even
care
about
the
mobile
home.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
I
care
about
the
process
of
arriving
at
the
decision?
F
D
Think
that
sometimes
we
get
that
guidance
from
them
in
the
recommendations
as
the
staff
being
stewards
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
I
think
other
things
need
to
come
into
play
where
we
as
individual
commissioners
need
to
do
our
own
research,
because
what
the
comp
plan
doesn't
take
into
account.
It
does
a
very
poor
job
of
taking
into
account.
There
are
certain
parts
of
this
city
that
are
it's
unbuildable.
It's
irrational,
think
you're
gonna
build
a
house
in
a
part
of
town.
D
That's
why
mobile
homes
are
there,
but
that's
us
on
our
responsibility
to
look
at
Google,
Maps
or
drive
by
the
area
and
figure
out,
there's
a
reason
why?
Because,
if
you
go
just
south
of
where
that
subdivision
was
maybe
two
three
hundred
yards
is
a
part
on
loop
20,
where
we've
been
talking
about
it's
a
commission
for
two
years
now,
where
there's
an
unbuildable
tree,
that
is
I!
D
A
I
think
your
point
is
well-taken,
but
I
think
really
the
point
that
you're
really
trying
to
emphasize
here.
It's
is
the
cost
of
house
and
the
income
levels
are
not.
You
know
on
the
same
level,
if
you
look
at
the
trends
nationwide
right
now,
the
cost
of
housing
is
so
high
and
the
income
levels
cannot
afford
that
unit
price
right
now,
which
is
going
to
become
a
problem
in
the
future,
but
I
believe
what
you're
alluding
to
is
exactly
that.
You're,
you
talking
about
floodplain
development,
but
it's
really
mostly
about
who
is
my
customer?
A
What
can
my
customer
afford
and
what
can
I
do
to
develop
this
property
because
that
the
driving
force
is
really
do
you
have
customers?
It
can
afford
a
certain
price,
because
that's
where
the
market
is
now
as
opposed
to
this
type
of
development,
that
may
be
a
lowering
cost
that
can
be
afforded
and
I
and
I
agree.
A
I
think
this
is
what
Nathan
wants
us
to
try
to
get
together
and
say:
let's
look
at
the
comp
plan
and
let's
look
at
the
land
use
plan
and
see
how
we
can
match
it
up
as
a
commission.
The
word
it
makes
some
sort
of
sense,
some
saying
something:
I'm
gonna
say
it's
got,
make
perfect
sense,
but
some
sort
of
sense.
You
know
with
that
said.
If
I
mean
yes,
no.
I
I,
don't
wanna
belabor
the
point
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
would
like
to
say
this
in
the
case
that
you're
talking
about
where
you've
got
flood
plain
and
things
like
that
and
you
say:
well,
you
know
what,
because
we
can
elevate
mobile
homes
and
and
do
these
or
manufactured
housing
and
do
all
this
stuff.
You
know
that
might
be
ideal.
The
thing
that
happens,
a
lot
with
floodplain
is
I'm,
not.
I
How
far
you
have
to
kind
of
go
into
those
issues,
you'll
have
an
inch
I
mean
you
know.
Some
developers
will
build
anything
they
can
in
where
yeah
you
know
and
they'll
get
an
engineer-
who's
smart
enough
or
crafty
enough,
depending
upon,
what's
going
on
to
figure
out
that
he
can
go
and
get
a
conditional
letter
of
map
amendment
or
a
letter
of
map,
amendment
and
channelized
that
thing
and
get
those
properties
out
of
the
array.
So
it
says
now
it's
suitable
for
single-family
detached
homes
that
don't
need
to
be
elevated
right.
I
It
happens
a
lot
and
then
you'll
have
you
know
some
kind
of
a
channel
or
a
creek
running
through
the
development
that
channel
eise's
all
that
water
in
the
restaurant
rpm,
which
is
perfectly
fine.
It
can
be
very
expensive,
but
sometimes
the
yield
of
the
you
know
is
worth
it
for
it
for
development,
and
so
they'll
do
that.
So
you
have
to
look
at
those
issues
as
well.
You
know,
is
there
a
possibility
that
that's
gonna
happen?
The
other
thing
that
I
would
I
would
I
would
go
back
to
you
is.
I
Is
that
you've
got
goals
and
objectives
in
your
comp
plan?
It
says
these
thing,
here's
our
goals,
and
this
is
how
you
get
to
them
and
do
these
things
and
do
that.
But
when
the
comp
plan
was
being
reviewed
by
the
Commission,
do
any
of
you
remember
us
talking
about
the
future
land
use
plan
and
getting
it
out
and
using
it
I?
Don't
it
wasn't
discussed
very
much
and
there
were
no
changes
made
to
the
future
land
use
plan
I'm
a
saint
that.
I
Well,
I
said
it
several
times,
but
it
wasn't
okay
and
so
that
future
land
use
plan
is
based
on
the
old
comp
plan
and
the
current
land
development
code.
Okay,
that's
so
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
it,
because
now
the
next
logical
step
is
okay.
Now
we
have
our,
you
know
our
Bible
here
now
we
need
to
have
all
the
you
know
whatever
over
here
now.
I
We
need
to
bring
those
up
today,
and
that
starts
with,
in
my
mind,
the
future
language
plan,
because
that's
going
to
inform
how
you
want
your
roadway
system,
which
is
what
the
Germans
are
talking
about,
so
as
we're
going
through
that
and
then
in
it
it's
it's,
it
can
get
pretty
detailed.
I
mean
you're
right
you're,
looking
at
Google
Earth
you're,
looking
at
what
does
that
terrain?
I
Look
like
what's
around
it,
what
makes
sense,
for
example,
again
not
to
belabor
it
mines,
Road,
there's
a
huge
discussion
about
what
should
happen
on
the
river
side
of
Mines
Road.
Should
that
be
residential?
Should
the
commercial?
Should
it
be
warehousing
right
because
you
want
to
protect
the
river
they've
got
some
of
the
nicest
land
visually
I
mean
view
wise
there.
So
do
you
want
to
just
flatten
that
thing
out
and
put
a
bunch
of
warehouses
and
then
have
you
know
spills?
You
know
affect
your
water
supply,
or
do
you
want
to
buffer
it?
I
I
A
certain
way
has
to
be,
you
know,
low
density
or
whatever,
but
those
are
the
kinds
of
issues
that
this
commission
should
be
looking
at
and
those
things
I
mean
it
can
go
out
for
years
now,
if
the
councilman,
who
or
whomever
is
making
the
zone
change
decision,
decides
that
that's
not
what
he
wants
to
do
well,
I,
say
I
mean
you
know
he
can
do
it,
but
it's
completely
within
their
discretion
to
do
that,
to
change
it
or
do
whatever
they
want,
I
mean
for
whatever
reason,
but
at
least
from
the
staffs
perspective,
we're
comfortable
with
you
know,
making
those
recommendations
and
saying
look
here
is
what
we've
gone
over
this,
and
this
is
really
kind
of
what
works
there.
I
Now
you
want
to
do
something
different
councilman,
that
or
counsel
that's
fine,
but
this
is
what
we're
comfortable
with
so
based
on
that,
based
on
the
language
and
the
comp
plan,
we
don't
recommend
it.
You
know,
but
I
mean
we
get
cases
and
go
to
Council
every
you
know
once
a
month.
Where
are
we
recommended
against
it?
I
I
Lose
their
discretion
and
it's
their
the
elected
officials
they're
the
policy
makers,
and
so
you
know
that's
that's
their
job,
but
I
think
our
job
is
to
get
it
all
organized
and
you
know
in
a
way
that
works
with
the
Commission's
it
putting
you
guys
are
our
direct
link
that
way,
and
so
that's
why
that'll
take
you
know
that
could
take
three
or
four
meetings.
You
know
hour
hour-and-a-half
meetings,
we
did
it
two
or
three
years
ago
and
I
mean
we
had
some
some
real
good
discussions
and
I.
I
Don't
know
if
any
of
you
were
here
at
that
time,
but
we
we
went.
You
know
we
just
kind
of
said.
Let's
look
at
this
quarter
and
let's
look
at
this
piece
and
we
eventually
got
through
the
whole
math,
but
we
did
it
in
chunks.
Where
we
could.
You
know,
look
at
the
map.
Look
at
Google
Earth
talk
about
it.
You
know
I've
been
there.
I
This
is
what
I'm
seeing
and
this
should
change,
or
they
should
stay
the
same
whatever
and
it
was
pretty
efficient
so
in
because
we
try
to
just
you
know,
move
through
it
in
a
in
a
in
a
rational
way.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
in
front
of
the
Commission
now,
because
I
think
that's
some
of
the
serious
work
you
know,
aside
from
making
recommendations
and
improvement
plans,
which
is
very
important
where
this
Commission
has
a
big
impact.
H
I
guess
just
to
clarify
a
little
further.
What
the
manufactured
housing
industry
since
I
have
some
experience
in
that
area.
What
happened
was
when
the
ordinances
were
created
to
hold
the
manufactured
housing
out
of
the
residential
areas?
They
designated
certain
areas
for
the
housing
so
that
portion
of
the
property
was
already
designated
for
that
part.
H
So
what
come
down
to
the
supply
and
demand
so
the
housing
manufactured
has
an
industry
crashed
in
the
2000s,
so
that's
where
stick-built
boomed
and
they
started
picking
up
so
what's
happening
now
is
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
you
can
get
more
dollar
per
square
footage
in
many
veteran
housing
versus
take,
though
so,
with
an
increase
of
interest
rates
and
so
forth.
It's
harder
to
put
somebody
in
a
stick
built
house
versus
and
manufactured
housing.
So
what
I'm,
assuming
what's
happening
in
this
situation
with
this
develop
areas?
H
Today,
yes,
was
probably
the
zone,
I
think
was
an
art
winning,
but
being
that
the
supply
and
demand
and
able
to
put
somebody
into
affordable
housing,
and
since
the
section
that
was
previously
section
for
many
Frederick
housings
there,
he
felt
in
order
to
get
this
develop
input
two
homes.
The
best
bet
was
to
probably
put
them
in
about
your
housing
section.
So
that's
pretty
much.
Why
I'm,
assuming.
I
That
that
direction
one
time
manufactured
housing
manufactured
housing
didn't
have
its
own
zone.
It
was
allowed
in
our
threes
and
then
we,
we
amended
the
land
development
code
to
create
a
new
zoning
district
Arwen
for
manufactured
homes,
and
we
did
that
because
there
was
a
need,
the
thing
that
never
happened
and
we
we
did
talk
to
the
council,
but
it
once
was
to
remove
the
manufactured
housing
component
from
the
our
trees,
because
now
you
have
your
own
r1.
I
So
if
I'm
living
in
an
area
and
I
want
to
change,
my
zoning
I
can
ask
for
an
r1
the
thing
about
manufacturer
housing.
Is
it's
it's
protected
under
state
law
to
some
in
some
degree,
in
some
ways?
Okay,
so
the
question
was
well.
If
we
take
manufactured
housing
out
of
the
r3,
what
happens
to
the
manufactured
housing?
That's
their
right!
I
I
But
what
you're
doing
is
you
look
at
the
amount
of
area
that
you
have
for
r3
and
you
wonder
whether
you
want
to
perpetuate
that
because
they're
there
there
is
some
evidence
that,
when
you're
trying
to
gentrify
a
neighborhood
bring
it
up,
manufacturing
housing
isn't
necessarily
going
to
assist
you
there.
Okay,
the
other
thing
that
happens
is
in
r1m
age:
it's
not
solely
manufactured
housing.
You
can
also
stick
build
a
house
there.
You
can
put
a
social
a
lot
of
times.
What
is
it
can
be
transition
as
the.
I
I
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
our
residential
is
in
r3,
so
we
thought
well,
you
know
what
take
it
out
of
there
and
then
let
folks
come
in
and
see
if
they
want
to
do
r1,
and
then
it
becomes
more
of
a
decision,
an
enlightened
decision
to
whether
you
want
to
continue
to
allow
those
areas
to
develop
kind
of
mix.
Stick
you
know,
single-family
excuse
me
detached
single-family,
stick
built
homes
mixed
with
manufactured
homes
or
you
want
to
somehow
differentiate
them.
Do
we
need
them?
A
A
I
said
I
think
it's
very
critical
that
we
do
it
as
quickly
as
possible
because
it's
impacting,
like
you,
said
our
decision
abilities
here,
our
decision-making
abilities,
it's
a
conflict
and
we
see
it
when
your
recommendations
come
out.
So
to
me,
as
a
commission
member,
the
sooner
we
can
get
to
you
know
trying
to
quantify
the
land
use
and
the
comp
plan.
A
It
makes
it
a
lot
easier
for
us
to
come
up
with
a
document
that
we
can
all
feel
comfortable
with
and
say:
hey
you
know
what
this
is
sort
of
in
sync
now
and
it
sort
of
works
that
all
I
can
say.
Is
it's
gonna,
be
our
best
guide
that
that
guide
can
be
changed
by
counsel
sure
anytime,
but
at
least
we
have
a
good
guy
and
that
guy
transitions
into
anybody
who
come
into
this
community.
Seeing
that
there's
an
organized
planning
process
ongoing
the
guide
you
do
yes,.
I
I
mean
you're,
really
gonna
want
to
get
into
it
and
that'll
that'll
add
time
to
it.
What
I
was
gonna
suggest
was
a
couple
of
things,
one
in
my
opinion,
I
would
rather
work
with
a
full
commission
or
a
quorum
of
the
Commission
rather
than
a
subcommittee,
not
that
that's
bad,
but
it
allows
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
to
have.
You
know
five
commissioners
here
for
me
not
show
up,
but
if
you
have
the
same
four
guys
or
same
for
commissioner
show
up
to
every
time.
They're
like
come
on.
I
I
I
The
discussion
also,
but
you
may
not
be
able
to
attempt
to
say
one
meeting
and
the
rest
can
in
that
way.
You
can,
you
know
kind
of
move
around
a
little
bit
with
the
different
commissioners.
They
can.
They
have
little
flexibility.
The
other
thing
I
would
say
to
suggest
that
is
that
trying
to
do
it
during
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting
is
gonna
be
a
bit
difficult.
I
Okay,
I
think
you're
gonna
need,
especially
if
you
are
going
to
entertain
a
special
meeting,
then
I
would
suggest
the
two
prior
motion
to
look
at
the
parking
issue
throw
that
in
because
you
can
do
that.
You
know
we
can
you
can
I
think
you're
going
to
go
through
that,
probably
in
a
couple
hours
figured
out
how
the
discussion
come
up
with
a
recommendation.
Okay,
but
you
can
do
a
boat.
You
can
have
that
and
then
just
walk
right
into
talking
about
future
land-use
and
at
a
special
meeting.
It.
D
D
I
I
I
I
D
Would
I
don't
know
if
we,
just
if
I
can
propose
and
now
make
a
motion
to
real
than
the
last
item
and
make
a
motion
to
have
that
that
parking
meeting
this
coming
Tuesday
at
4
p.m.
because
I
think
that
would
needs
to
be
done
first
before
you
get
to
this
Tuesday
what
we
need
three
days
posting
you
need
to
post
three
days.
F
F
I
I
mean
could
be
done,
but
I'm
doing
it
that
you
may
see
it
that
way,
that
you
know
you're
gonna
bring
this
and
we're
gonna
make
a
decision,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
have
discussions
about
that.
You're
gonna
have
I
mean
it's
not
the
intended
consequences
that
we
worry
about.
It's
the
unintended
consequences
that
you
got
to
really
think
about
of
any
of
those
kinds.
F
Of
changes-
okay,
well
with
this,
then
why
don't
we
do
this?
Why
don't
we
schedule
a
meeting
for
Tuesday
where
we
have
his
item?
The
the
parking
item?
Well
yeah,
but
you
suggested
it
for
Tuesday,
I,
just
and
then
an
introductory
and
that
and
then
we
can
begin
depending
Nathan
on
how
quickly
we
get
through
it.
A
A
F
A
A
We
can
analyze
it.
That's
where
I
was
you
know,
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
an
organizational
meeting.
How
are
you
gonna
handle
what
we
want
to
accomplish
and,
and
and
you
know
you
can
give
us
a
lot
of
guidance
on
that
to
the
Commission.
So
do
we
have
a
consensus
in
that
Tuesday
at
4
o'clock?
Is
that
is
everybody,
okay
with
meeting
Tuesday
at
4
o'clock?
What.
I
E
A
F
F
D
Higher
traffic
that
at.
A
Least,
for
now,
no
wait
being
that
you're,
the
staff
lives
on
to
the
PNC.
It
is
your
discretion
to
know
who
we
need
to
have
it
to
meet.
Okay,
okay,
I!
Think!
That's
easiest!
Where
the
handle
is:
that's
fine!
Okay!
So
we
have
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
second
second
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye?
All
those
against
motion
carries.
It
was
shoot
in
the
second
second,
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye
beat
a
drum.