City of Laredo, Texas Planning & Zoning Commission, 21 May 2021

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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting 052021

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Six o'clock: this is the meeting of the claim, and zoning commission today is may 20th of 2021. First item is uh roll call. Please.

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Yes, mr chairman chairman, erasmus president, vice chair, jorge dominguez president commissioner, rafael duenas person, commissioner abraham lugo, commissioner johnny president.

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Commissioner, president,.

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Mr chairman, you do have a full quorum.

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Very much you want to welcome a new commissioner on board. uh Welcome to the first time zoning meeting for you.

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The next item that we have is the uh citizens comments. Ralph, do we have anybody in the line.

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uh Mr chairman, we do not have anyone at the line at this time, but there is a slight bit of a delay.

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Yeah, we'll give it a.

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All right is there anybody in the line, no.

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All right, the next item that we have is public hearings all right letter, four, a minute and there's only one for the city of laredo by rezoning logs two a and two b lots of apartment subdivision exactly ranch. This is located at 6702 and 6706 barnett from a b3 with b4 highway commercial district, all right who's going to make this presentation.

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I will sir vanessa.

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From your planning staff, the applicant is gala investment group llc, juan salinas is a representative. uh The property is the lot 2a and 2b block 1 bartlett apartment subdivision at jackman ranch again located at 6702 and 6706 bartlett avenue.

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uh Pardon me: the zone change request is from bh3 community business district to v4 commercial uh highway commercial district. uh The proposed uses is a medical clinic, um and in this case it is allowed by the current zone. 16 letters were sent out to the surrounding property owners and one was received in opposition.

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uh This is a a general location map. This is an aerial view. This is the street view. This is the zoning map. As you can see, it's designated as um sorry I'm having trouble seeing it. Oh I'm sorry, it's a b3, of course, there's a b3 there's r2 to the west and then there's r1 right across the sprite across from bartlett with a b1 to the north east.

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The future land use map identifies this as a neighborhood mixed use, with medium density to the west and low density to the east. The staff does not support the proposed zone change. The proposal on change is not in conformance with the future land use map, uh which designates this area as a neighborhood mixed use, which excludes b4 zoning.

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There are no other b4 zone zoning districts in the vicinity of the site. um We feel that the proposed zone may introduce uses incompatible with the adjacent, lighter commercial and residential type uses, and the proposed use is also allowed by the current zone.

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So there's a proposed motion either to approve or deny, and there is the call-in.

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Number all right: this is a public hearing. Anybody who wishes to speak before or against war or again.

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um Good evening, uh mr chairman staff and members of the commission, this is juan salinas um here to speak in favor of the proposal and change.

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Okay, uh let me ask you a quick question. The proposed use is already acceptable by the current zoning. So what's the intent.

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Yes, um the applicant couldn't be here with us today and I agree to represent them. But from what I understand, um there were several different uh medical related uses that they were wanting to leave their property open to some of which I think are allowed in a b3 and some weren't. I think there was a couple of them that required a b4.

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Zoning, like a rehabilitation, I think there was a hospice. There were several uses there and I think the applicant was trying to leave themselves open. uh It's currently in adult daycare. Half of it and the other half are doctor's offices.

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um They've got several different doctors, a kidney doctor and and and another so they were trying to leave themselves open. I guess for any future uh potential uses. I might require it before.

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Should anybody on the commission have any questions for either the salinas or for the city staff? Can we.

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Go back, can we go back to the map.

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The zoning map, sir.

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Yes, I I thought there was. There was one that it said.

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This is where they have that toxic exercise or something is that the location that we're looking at right right next to it.

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Bit further south of it well, this is further south yeah. I mean it's right next to it,.

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But just further, it's not the same. It's not the same building.

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And the and the eye clinic is to the north of this property. Next to it doctor yeah, that's up in the corner there yeah, where is it further up up on the corner.

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Of jackman and barnett, that's that little drip shopping.

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So the the 1119 is is that property.

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Yes, sir, the one right adjacent to dr mandiola's office.

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And what is it, what is the medical use that you said is not allowed in the b3.

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I think there were, I don't think there was a specific use. I think they were trying to leave themselves open to several uses. I think there was a rehabilitation facility and like a hospice, there were several of them that were on a b4 that required a b4.

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Vanessa, do you know what uses medical uses are not allowed in the b3.

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um Off the top of my head a trauma center, a hospital- um those are those are the only ones that kind of come up, but for the by and large, for the most part, dental medical clinics offices, um they're all allowed in the v3.

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I have a question for staff follow-up to uh commissioner's question.

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Mr chairman, this is rahul. uh My question is so the uh trauma center or the emergency room down the road on bartlett? What zone is that.

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um I'm I'm not sure I'd have to we'd have to look it up.

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Okay. Is that considered a hospital, or is it considered a minor emergency or urgent care yeah? Can we look at? Can we can we look that up? Because? Because that would give me some uh data that I need.

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um Sure, if, if uh rafael, if you can look that up please, I can't I can't really do anything with my computer, because.

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On it, yes, ma'am.

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It's in the same vicinity right, it's in barley, it's in the same road.

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Yeah, it's some bargain further north or in.

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The north now now, my other, my other question, mr chairman, is if we I know that increasing the intensity is uh is is difficult, but um wouldn't the property also have to conform to with other rules like parking requirements? Let's just assume that we do increasing tests into a b4 and they want to put a bar restaurant. They wouldn't even meet the parking requirements requirements. We didn't get that uh approved at that point, assuming that this goes through.

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Yes, any proposed use would have to meet the parking requirements at the time of the issuance of the new.

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Business so go ahead, larry, so even even if you were to approve before then, basically what you're saying uh the property would still need to come back and and and meet the parking requirements that mr uwalda is saying it it doesn't mean.

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Is that correct.

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Yes, when, when a new business comes forward, they have to go, fill out a form, and it's checked over by fire our zoning officers to make sure that it meets all all the code requirements.

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Mr chairman, I have a question for the applicant.

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Really go right ahead.

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uh I'm just wondering if the applicant or the owner knows that there is another kind of process that they can follow in case. They want to use a property, and the zoning is not allowed like it's not necessary to have a zone change. They can always have a conditional use. Permit.

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um Yes, uh we hadn't discussed it or I hadn't discussed it with them. But yes, I I'm sure that they're they're familiar with with the process, um and I think that this specific applicant, like I said, was trying to leave their options open for the property.

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I think some of the you know some of the potential uses like an emergency care clinic, I think an outpatient may or may not be in the b4.

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um I know like I said that an alcoholic rehabilitation facility, uh drug rehabilitation facility- I mean there are several uses um that would require a b4, um but but I don't think, there's one specific use that they're that they're tied to at the moment.

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For clarification, uh this is our final video for clarification purposes. uh That site is at 7105 bartlett and it is currently zoned as a b3 that emergency care clinic.

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Also, a surgery.

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I'm sorry, I didn't hear that we didn't hear that look at your.

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The the care clinic that mr welding made reference to attached to it or within that same building is a surgical center or at.

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Least, that's what it's advertised.

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And and you're saying it's allowed in the b3.

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uh The the zoning on the the site that you asked for uh was b3.

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That is correct.

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And and so just to clarify the emergency clinic and a surgical clinic are allowed in the b3.

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The current zone.

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On that side is b3.

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Oh, I mean the. I can't open the code right now because of the presentation, um but it it would seem. So since it's a it's, it's it's there and if that's the zone that it it currently has.

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Hi man, mr sherman.

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Okay, go ahead. Yes, uh I have an issue with the uh with the uh with the change of zoning in that area. It's uh the traffic is very extreme one of the reasons that uh that we have residential, which is right across the street from that particular area.

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Not only are we creating a a hazard, but also we're creating a type of congestion that might follow as it is right now we have a real real bad case of congestion in that area.

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I particularly feel that that the change to a b4 is not appropriate right now, as far as as the applicant, they didn't bring anything that would actually create a a or we might propose a change whatever it has been brought to this committee right now. It actually will comply with the big three.

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If we go to bf4, then we're opening the options for, uh like mr royal dimension, to a to a bar or probably to makinitas and uh and that will increase some of the uh of the area that that will create more traffic, more people, more congestion in that area.

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So that being said, I I personally think that is not a good idea. We don't have any b4s there and whatever is on that particular v3, it's allowable, so there. Why would we want to change that's my comment right.

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There thank you for your promise. This is the public hearing. Anybody who wishes to speak for or a game four or a game.

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Do we have anybody on the line that might still be wanting to speak on this item.

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There anyone on the line, no, mr chairman, at the moment,.

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Nobody else is on the line who wishes to speak for against society all right, given that there is nobody else on the line and already one individual who's in favor of this.

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Hold on hold on hi, my I'm daniela, I have. I have a question.

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um Do we have? I know um you don't have availability for your from your computer, but.

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I I researched here on mine and it says hospice hospital psychiatric psychiatric hospital.

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Care home those aren't in b4, it's not like the the medical and the dental do go to the b3, but they don't go to the b4, and um I was I try to see everything in a in a big panorama view, and I think, if uh I know we don't want any makinitas.

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I know we don't want any bars, but if every everybody in that building is medical related and there's and there's doctors there, I don't think the person would like or an alcohol like a bar or or makinita. Is there because the doctors wouldn't like it, so that I I personally think if he wants for the future right now he's okay with the b3, but for the future. I think he he want. um I'm thinking how. Mr?

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What's your name.

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Mr salinas is saying that he wants only for the future to be prepared, um but basically it's for the medical area, not for machinitas or or the bar right, mr salinas just to be on this.

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Yes, ma'am, that's correct! Oh.

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Unfortunately, once you change your zone to a big boy that just happens.

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Okay, so I want to clarify my point so my point is that when we go from zone changes to a more intense use- and it's a vacant lot, I think we're at more at risk because we don't know, what's going to be there at this point, we see. What's there, we know the parking spaces that are there.

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My point was that if you were to go to a higher intense use on something that's existing, we we know that if they try to implement a bar or or any other establishment, that requires a higher density in parking spaces, they wouldn't get the permit to begin with. So in my my obj, my observation is that there's something that's existing there now to go to a b4 to market the property um to its full extent.

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I think it's low risk and if they try to put another business, that requires more parking spaces, they wouldn't comply and they wouldn't allow them to do that in the future. I think it's riskier when you go from a vacant lot to a higher intense use when you don't.

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There, let me just say something: johnny real, quick. I would you got to take into consideration if you're heading remember that you can always acquire additional parking closes within 1 000 feet of the other property okay, so the parking issue can be resolved in human race. I mean that's not going to be a big issue. uh You know there are solutions for it if there is parking available in other areas within a thousand feet. Okay, so that's that, let me recognize uh johnny advice now.

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I'm chairman, I wasn't saying you know, regardless whether it's a vacant building or existing building, you still take a risk by changing the zoning from b3 to b4.

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I think if, if there is, if there is a proposal or a customer or a client, who's interested in leasing or renting or purchasing the valuable suite at that point, I believe that they can come before us and propose its own change at that time if, if what they want to use it for is required for it before, but at this point to give them a b4 just because they want to open the availability. For that I just I just feel it's not appropriate this time.

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Mr denny mcgee coming.

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Yes, sir, go ahead. Danny.

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uh Just very quickly, uh I agree with the commission member that talked about the traffic. um I mean to me the name kind of says it all: it's called highway commercial district.

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The reason has that name, but you know this goes years back when uh I used to work for this kind of work anyway, is it's meant to be for for businesses that are generators, and I have to agree with the comment that that's a very, very congested area and that, from a traffic point of view, I'm not talking about business but just from a traffic point of view. The last thing we need is more generators that come to these streets that are very, very limited.

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Thank you for your comment. All.

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We've discussed this item back and forth sufficiently, I'm ready to where she said. Commission.

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You speak with us.

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Well, we've already had enough discussion. I think we're ready to just go ahead and have a motion on this commission. Are you ready to make a motion I'll.

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Make a motion, mr chairman, this is commissioner dominguez I'll, make a motion to deny the song change, uh based on the uh on the comments that we have here and uh follow this stuff recommendations.

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We have a motion. Do we have a second on that.

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All those who are not in favor of the motion signify by saying aye, all.

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All right with nobody else, then the motion carries. Thank you. Next item.

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A minute, the zoning ordinance of the city loretta by authorizing a special use permit for a restaurant serving alcohol unlocked 4a block one easter, mostly unit 3, located at 5507 mcpherson road.

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Once again, the applicant is fava square llc, paolo favaranto, owner arturo a rio is representative. The property is lot 4a block one vista mosai union, three located 5507 mcpherson road, the the request is for a special use permit. The proposed use is for restaurants serving alcohol and 16 letters were sent out to the surrounding property owners. None were received either favor or against.

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This is a general location map. This is an aerial view.

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This is a street view.

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This is the zoning map it, as you can see it's zoned b3 with an area of r1 to the west and r2 suzd to the to the east.

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This is neighborhood mixed use. Is the designation for this area with medium density uh to the east and parks uh and low density residential to the west?

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The staff supports the proposed suv and the the proposed use is in conformance with the comprehensive plan's neighborhood neighborhood mixed use. Designation. The proposed use is compatible with the mix of commercial uses already present in the area. The proposed location meets the minimum distance requirements for restaurant serving alcohol of 300 feet between the proposed use and the nearest residential district used park school or church as per land development code. The distance to the nearest residential district use school or park is 690 feet.

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um The conditions were discussed with the owner, who had no concerns the the conditions are typical for an sup and they're located in the stack report.

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um Sorry, this is the proposed motion, either approval or denial, and this is the calling number.

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This is a public hearing. Anybody who wishes to speak in favor or against his own change. I'm sorry. The special news.

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Do we have anybody on the phone vanessa.

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uh Amanda anybody on the phone.

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Not at the moment, they're they're calling in regards to another item, not.

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At the moment, sir, nobody on the phone uh on this particular public hearing.

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Another 30 seconds to see if anybody wishes to uh on the way of calling him.

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I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.

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I said we're just giving a little bit to see if anybody's calling in sure waiting for a second is there. Anybody in the commission who has any questions for staff on on this particular special youth permit.

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I just have a comment uh ever since that place was built, it's been a restaurant and it served alcohol all this time and I want to say it recently went to maquinitas and I guess I I'd prefer to see a restaurant there than maquinitos.

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Okay, thank you. I agree with uh with commissioner.

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Larry, I think that was a good problem. Yes, sir,.

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All right, I agree. Sorry.

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I I agree with both commissioner.

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Thank you. um Nobody else on the line, yet vanessa, no.

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All right, what are the wishes.

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Of the commission, I moved to uh recommend the motion by staff to approve.

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We have a motion. Do we have a second.

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Sorry, two seconds.

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Yes, second, okay, all those who are not in favor of this motion signify by saying aye none heard motion carries. Thank you next item amending the zoning ordinance of the city of laredo by rezoning an approximately 18.79 acre track uh out of survey, 2149, abstract five.

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Ninety four rh range original grantee located uh south of rockwell's drive and west of nevada lane from r2 to r1 mh, all right.

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I guess I won't repeat all of that. um The proposed use is residential. Two letters were sent out, uh none were no letters were received either in favor or against. This is a general location map.

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This is an aerial view. This is, of course, in the south.

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This is a street view.

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This is a zoning map, as you can see the it's currently zoned r2 with um r1mh. I know the colors are somewhat similar, but it's a large swath of mh to the north and um agriculturally zoned land to the south, with some v3 over there to the east.

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It's designated medium density, residential with some parts and high density residential. It has multiple designations according to the future land use map, and we support this proposal on change. The proposed residential use uses are similar and compatible with the single-family residential uses. Already in the area, the proposed district is compatible with the comprehensive plans, medium and high-density residential designation for the area and a site above a large area of r1mh zoning to the north.

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There's the proposed motion either to approve or deny- uh and there is the call-in number.

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This is a public hearing. Anybody who wishes to speak against.

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Mr chairman, this is wayne well we're here on behalf of the clients we agree and we look forward to your favorable consideration and are here to answer any questions that you have.

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You just a quick question, mr sherman, for the engineer.

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If I may yes go ahead, uh the topography is that area on a flood zone and uh those lines are they creek areas.

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No this this uh subdivision, the zoning area, will be a subdivision. That's currently in design. It is not in the flood zone there is a creek to the south of it, but obviously we're not building anything on top of a creek.

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Okay, that was my question. Thank you. Thank.

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Does anybody else on the commission have any questions for the engineer all right vanessa? Do we have anybody on the phone other than.

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I'm not hearing anything, no correct, amanda, correct.

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Not at the moment, nobody else on the line all right all right. uh What are the wishes in the commission.

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I'll make a motion.

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To approve, according to staff recommendations.

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Assurance we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second? Second from commissioner we're not in favor of this motion, please signify by saying aye ron heard motion carries. Thank you.

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Next item is the minimum zoning ordnance of the city created by reasoning, one block 13 college high subdivision unit 3 located at 16 37. Then sleep drive from d3 to r1 and, oh I'm, sorry from d3 and r1a to b3, okay,.

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Correct sir, the applicant is sola development partners, limited porras, nance uh is the applicant, and the representative proposed uses mini storage. uh We have advised the applicant that a special use permit will also be required in order for the proposed use, 13 letters were sent out and none were received either for or against.

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This is a general location map. This is an aerial view. This is street view. This is a zoning map. As you can see, the lot currently contains two zones. It's got the r1a and the b3, and the intention is to unify the lot under the b3 zone.

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The future land use map designates this as neighborhood mixed use. There's some low density there to the south institutional to the north. The staff does support the proposed zone change. uh As I mentioned, the proposed change will unify the lot under one zoning designation.

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The proposed change is in conformance with the comprehensive plan's mixed use, designation, which includes the b3 district and, of course, the site abuts, a large area of v3 result area to the east.

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There's the proposed motion either for or against, and there is the call-in number.

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All right, this is a public hearing. Anybody who wishes to speak for against this item.

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Mr chairman, this is wayne again uh we're in support of this and and uh we look forward to your favorable consideration as well any comments, I'm here to answer them. Thank you.

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Does anybody on the commission have any questions.

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uh Just to comment, mr sherman real quick once we grant the b3 I understand, vanessa was uh mentioned that it was going to be for storage. To the engineer is that is that what they're planning to do? uh Mr nance.

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uh Mr commissioner, that's what the this property is being is getting ready to be sold to somebody else and in passing they had mentioned that. That's something that they would consider. We've informed them that they would have to get an sup.

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But um we're really here just to tidy up, as vanessa pointed out, to make the the entire lot b3 and um and if, if the future owner wants to follow through with a storage unit, then uh then they know that they have to get an sup. But I really can't speak for the future purchaser because it's not my client, but I understood that they wanted to do storage units just in in passing conversation with with the purchaser.

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I don't have a problem with the uh with a zone change. Actually we have a b3 right next to it, and I think it was a good idea to consolidate the uh the whole b3 in that that area. So that was that was my comment and thank you for answering my question. Thank you.

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All right um does anybody else. Have any questions from the commission?

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Do we have anybody else on the line against this particular item.

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Amend anyone on the line.

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I'm sorry, no, mr chairman, there's no one on the line at the moment.

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All right, thank you. What are the wishes to the commission.

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uh Commissioner, I'll make a motion to approve.

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Election years, all those were not in favor of the motion signified by saying aye.

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None heard motion carries the next item amending the government of the city of laredo barbies only lot 4a block one mcpherson west subdivision unit, 3 manor plaza located at 610 manor road from d3 to b3, pup.

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All right yeah, yes, sir, the applicant is coldham investments limited, uh christina ice. Wisher is the applicant and representative. The proposed users townhomes, the applicant proposes 14 townhome units. 13 letters were sent out, uh none were received either four or against. Just as a reminder, members of the commission, a planned unit. Development of the ordinance, was recently amended to allow for more creative solutions to address affordable housing needs. The amendment was intended to eliminate minimum area requirements.

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It clarified and adjusted the alterations that were permitted. It clarified the site plan, approval process and allowed for the planning and zoning commission to allow administrative approval, minor changes, of course, by the building official it uh it eliminated. The special use permit option for townhouses um which, as the the slide mentions, was never technically permitted and um the pud overlay uh is an overlay just as uh as a reminder, the underlying zone requirements still apply. So whatever.

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Is allowed under the underlying.

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Zone that continues even with the addition of the the pud zone. What the pud overlay does is allows for the following items to be um amended: the percentage of mason reconstruction or the required colors or the construction materials, the facades it allows all of those to be varied. The minimum lot height and setback dimensions, fencing and screening types density, parking, street and sidewalk configurations are all items that can be varied under the pud zone and, of course, the street and sidewalk configurations must have the approval of the traffic director.

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The pd site plan must be approved by the planning commission.

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So moving back to the presentation, this is a location map. This is an aerial view.

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This is a street view and this is a zone map. um As you can see, it is currently zone b3 and located within a large swath of e3 with uh rfs just there to the west.

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um The this is a, I guess, like kind of a larger view of the zoning map, the staff supports the application. The proposed use is in conformance with the conference of plans designation for this area's high density residential.

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The proposed use is compatible with the existing surrounding uses and zones, and we did take the preliminary site plan that they uh sent in with the application, and we presented it to our staff and our trb, who gave us the following preliminary comments. They mentioned that the site plan, of course, should include all the information that is required by the new ordinance, the guest parking should it be addressed in the official site plan.

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They notice that the street may be too narrow and maybe need to be adjusted during the site plan process. The site plan should indicate if the unit shall be individually metered for water service or easement, where the easements will be.

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The site plan should indicate sidewalks must address attention and the design should incorporate feed type curbs for rams as needed for ada compliance. This is the preliminary layout. Once again, this is subject to change when the official site plan comes in.

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uh This is uh once again, this is uh I'm sorry. This is a repeat of the comments from rtrb, and this is the proposed motion: either approval or denial, and um this is the calling number.

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All right, thank you. This is a public hearing. uh Anyone who wishes to speak in favor or against this particular dvd is saying.

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Yes, mr chairman of may, we do have miss lucy lopez who wants to speak in regards to this um item? Ms lopez, you may address the commission.

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I've been a resident here on merlin 315 for the last 20 years and I'm not in agreement with the proposal right now. I don't want the city to change my zoning and I'm not an agreement for them to build what they're wanting to build behind my house.

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Okay, thank you for your comment.

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A quick question to ms lopez: uh I mean uh mr sherman.

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This is, commissioner dominguez, uh so you live right next. uh Actually, your backlog would be impacted by the construction or by the development.

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Let me mention something that uh that you know. Actually. uh This is a very good idea: the the b3 song with the pud there. It's a very good idea. uh The only issue that I have there, it's the uh the existing axis. That is pretty very, very inadequate. I believe it's only 24 feet.

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Probably the 40 units would be too many for that area. I'm not the developer, but I would say that six units would be very appropriate for that area. If I was to do the development- and this is only a comment- personal comment- I agree with you- there's going to be a lot of movement and there's going to be a lot of traffic behind your property, but I feel that at this particular time what they're asking the change of zoning is appropriate.

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I think it cannot be denied, because what they're asking actually it's uh it's doable, but uh it would be up to the uh the building department and planning zoning to to review any future plans for development and what happened to comply with the ingress and aggress plus the first responders. Mr chairman, there has to be entrance for the first responders.

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You know vanessa, I'm sorry, I didn't get. What is the depth of this lot?.

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I guess they if the applicant could respond to that the is it do we have a representative online, let me see if they, let's see.

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Yes, ricardo ramos and.

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Yes, I'm the engineer, proposing, uh I guess I'll, be the engineer uh of record once we start the planning process and all that, but um I I I did I was just listening as far as uh you know, the the the issue about the narrow streets- or you know, issues like that. This is an access easement.

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It's not just this one street, there's a there's, a side street, um I guess on the north side, so there's two means to get into this property um and then uh that layout, that is being shown right now, we've adjusted it because I we did propose a well. We are going to propose uh to remove one of those uh units and and install the uh the guest parking area.

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So we wouldn't have that issue as far as people parking on the existing road and then we're we're. Gonna propose also to put a far lane uh markings on that roads and awaken parking there, and uh so so.

T

We've looked at, we've looked at the comments that staff has provided and the only one that you know we have an issue was the the detention fund requirement, but um you know we can settle that with the with the staff, because the if, if we're, if we don't disturb more than one acre, then we don't need to do a detention fund.

T

So that's the only the other comments that they provided. It we've seen them and we can comply with those too.

E

Mr chairman, just to just to clarify for everyone, this is not the site plan. The site plan will be much more extensive and it requires a much more in in-depth information.

E

The the code is very specific about all the information that is required and so when they will have to return to apply and submit the detailed site plan and that will go to the trb and be reviewed by you know: building staff engineering, fire it'll be reviewed by everyone and then, once uh you know, all of those comments are addressed.

E

Then that site plan will return to the planning and zoning commission for approval.

D

Okay, all right.

H

Says, uh commissioner, I too share the concerns that mr dominguez has and just for the rest of the commissioner's information.

H

This access easement leads to a whataburger and it's directly behind some dental clinics that are on the front side of the property and there's already existing traffic here, particularly during high traffic times like lunchtime, and so whoever decides to build and and to occupy these buildings are going to have to fight off the other traffic that is using this as a through street to get to whataburger or the federal or the federal credit union, the radio teachers credit union- I should say so.

H

I do have a concern, but I'm comfortable moving forward, because I know the psych plan has to come back and arrangements can be made to alleviate some of those problems.

A

Okay, this is a public hearing. uh Anybody who wishes to do four or a game or a game. Do we have anybody else on the line other than mr ramos.

L

Yes, mr chairman, we do have mr luis benavidez on the line um mr benavidez, you may address the commission.

U

Thank you. Thank you for uh letting me address the commission, my um I am and have been living for uh at least 20 years right across the street from there, which is 401 murray. My concern is the amount of traffic that is going to be generated by such um such a plan that you have the the area. There is already cluttered with traffic and many times it's difficult for me to get out of the parking, the garage on my house, so that would be a difficult issue.

U

The other thing I have is that, of course, as the apartments are going to be built up, there would be a loss of privacy not only for myself but for my neighbors as well. Someone on the second floor, for instance, could look over into my pool area, which I am um I would not appreciate.

U

In addition, when I bought the land, I knew what that was owned and um I believe that putting something putting this uh or granting this pud overly would devalue the um would decrease the value of my property.

U

I think that the zone ought to be left the way it is. I don't think it needs a pod overlay and I I certainly disagree with this plan.

A

Thank you for your comments. Does anybody have any questions on the commission from mr menaville.

A

Okay, do we have anybody else on the phone who would like to speak for against.

A

L

Mr chairman, if I may, we do have mr garza on the line.

A

L

Garza you made it you're able to speak uh to address the commission.

V

Okay, um this is some 311 learning road, I'm also against the rezoning.

V

I have a hard time hearing, hey.

L

Everybody here.

A

Mr rabbit, so we can hear you you're against his own name right. The proposed sony.

L

V

I'm right behind also the law, and I am also against the rezoning for the complex and the reason is it's going to create a lot of traffic. There's only traffic as it is trying to get out of my house and with this investigating more difficult traffic.

A

S

A

Is that your comment, mr that yeah.

L

Excuse me: is that your comment? Yes, that's my comment. Yes, mr chairman,.

A

Thank you. Is there anybody else on the line that we speak for against.

E

No amanda anybody.

L

Else not at the moment, hey.

A

Nobody else is on the line all right, so one of the wishes of the commission.

C

uh Mr sherman, based on the comments from the from the residents, I would like to make a motion to deny the song change at this time. I think it's the best of the community not to approve the song change. That's fine!.

I

Mr chairman, this is, can I get a comment before in motion and I have a question for staff also.

A

Well, right now I've got a motion on the floor. Let me get a second okay go ahead. uh Is there anybody uh willing to? Second the motion.

K

A

Advice, my life second promotion, all right now we have comments, go ahead.

I

So my comment just to clarify the the schematic here is still uh subject to change. Of course it will change and the buildings itself are they're going to abut the commercial strip and the front right. The whataburger and the other dental um so there'll be a big distance between the road or the front of the door to the side of the property lines of the uh single-family home. Is that correct question for staff.

E

As I said this, this might all change.

I

Okay, it may change so uh as far as traffic concerns, so anything that's allowed in a b3 right now would generate traffic because there's a high intensity.

E

I

Okay and um the other question with the eastman, so this easement right now is being used as an exit and entrance or just one way or.

A

Oh, it's labeled as an exit. It's both.

I

It's both ways: okay, so are there any uh anything that the planning or building department can do to label it? One way if this proposal goes through.

E

I I think in in the site plan process, we can that's something that we can address.

I

Okay, um I'm I'm comfortable with the uh proposal. I think it's a good, uh it's a good fit for that. So my other question was the pud. So the pod rules didn't exist or weren't changed. Then the applicant would just before in the past last year. They would just have to come and get a conditional use permit and no zone change. Is that correct.

E

No, the way it was done previously was they would have to down zone to an r2 that would allow for the special use permit and then they would have to get the species permit to uh allow for the smaller lot sizes.

I

Got it? Okay? Okay! That's I'm good with the comments by the chairman.

A

All right, we have a motion on the floor. uh You're all familiar with the motion was right, all right and I'm going to ask for the vote. All those who are not in favor of the motion signify by saying aye.

A

All right with none hurts and motion carries.

A

All right, the next item is amending the zoning ordinance of the city loaded by raise one in the north. One half of lot two block 338 western division located at 1703 from m1 to r1.

E

uh Mr chairman, just for clarification, the previous motion was to deny it and that's the thing.

I

With that yeah.

A

E

Motion was to deny and that's what we had a unanimous vote to deny right. That's right, all right.

A

Okay, all right! So now we got the next item. Are you going to make presentation.

E

Yes, sir miguel estrada is the owner. Sergio lucan is the applicant representative. The property description is the north half of lot 2 block 338 western division located at 1703 san diego avenue. The zone change request is from m1 light manufacturing district r1 single-family residential district. The proposed use is residential.

E

14 letters were sent out to the surrounding property owners, none were received or against. This is a location map. This is an aerial view.

E

This is a street view.

E

This is the zoning map. As you can see, it's it's located. It's all in one there. uh This is a future land use. It's a designated all light industrial and, in this case staff supports the proposed zone change. While the proposal change is not, in conformance with the future land uses designation of light industrial, we feel that construction of a light industrial type use on this very narrow lot is unlikely.

E

The zone change will then therefore allow for uses that are compatible with the residential uses on that block. For those reasons we do support, the motion is to recommend approval or denial, and there is a call number.

A

All right, this is a public hearing. Anybody who wishes before again for a game.

L

We do not have anyone at the line at the moment. Mr chairman.

A

All right, then, let me ask you this: what I'm sorry vanessa? What was the lot size? Is it a standard, 69 or 138? It's.

E

Half of that, so it's it's even smaller.

A

Okay, so it's probably a 40 yeah looks like it's a 42x138 yeah all right, okay, all right all right. So this is a public hearing. uh We don't have anybody on the line to speak for against this. What are the wishes of the commission.

K

Commissioner, uh commission advice motion to approve, uh recommend the zone staff's recommendation.

H

Second, by the.

A

Wallina, those of you who are not in favor of this motion signify by shane, I.

A

Unheard most kerry. All right next item that we have is uh review and consideration of the following master plan, review and consideration of the copper creek subdivision master plan. The intent is residential.

A

The purpose of this religion is that's what is drive from the master plan, as it has been integrated and is being constructed as part of those president.

B

Thank you, mr chairman. Rafael vidali for the record. uh The applicant of record is mrmd development. The engineer is manuel escambia smb infrastructure, approximately 43 acres, located east of cuatro vientos, loop, 20 and north of wormsa road.

B

The zoning physician two law development is r1a and the proposed use is residential, general location, aerial view street view and the proposed master plan.

B

Comments from planning what it comes from: planning, water utilities, traffic safety parks and leisure, and the proposed motion.

A

All right: do you have the engineer of record on the line.

W

A

W

Evening, uh commission, mr chairman manuel scamia, representing mrmd, uh we we've gone through the comments everything is in line with discussions, we've had with the department, so we we concur with all the comments and are ready to move.

F

A

Okay uh ralph: can you put back the aerial overview of that particular area? I need to look at something.

E

A

No, that one, no, that one all right now what I'm seeing on this particular overview uh is. It looks like there's some greek areas or green spots in this area. Manuela, I'm not sure what the I don't. I I'm kind of familiar with the area, and then this topography has a lot of uh slope areas and stuff and looks like there's some kind of a creek that goes through this particular property that you're master planning. Is that not a big concern at all in terms of drainage? For you.

W

So so you, you are correct, sir. The this, the topography has a lot of relief to it. um None of it is in the floodplain, nor is it in any designated waters for the u.s.

W

It's just low land and- and those are all things that we take into consideration when, when doing the design and moving and filling the the area with the dirt and uh and working with the drainage, so it does cost a little bit more to deal with it, but but uh all within reason.

A

All right, thank you now. Does anybody else have any questions.

C

uh Just one comment quick comment, mr sherman, one of the other of the biggest problems that I actually see for the uh for the persons that are going to be here. People are going to buy there is that probably the the slope on their lots is going to be very intense.

C

uh I the the regrading will be. It will be addressed when they bring it back to us uh vanessa.

E

I'm sorry, can you speak to them.

B

Absolutely so, during the plan approval process, because this is residential uh they'll- be designing to either uh the lots either to the front or the back based on on the engineering design. But they will take into account to make sure that the the water does drain away from the residential structures and that'll be through the plant approval process.

H

Okay and and the access to uh puerto rientos is going to be through right ranch or is there going to be another road constructed.

W

Currently, sir, we will be connecting to isla mujeres to the north, and I know that the the developer to the west is also in the process of extending beefalo to their property line, which would connect to us. So uh for the for the immediate future. Our connection would be through islam and.

A

Eventually, master plan.

H

I I don't see islam.

W

Right right, uh pretty much north and south road, that's right in the middle on the los presidentes east subdivision. Oh.

H

I see okay, and so that that goes north and dead ends.

W

No, sir, that that will that ties in just uh just about uh about a thousand feet north of what you're seeing will tie into the los presidentes boulevard, that that is uh starting.

H

Construction: okay,.

W

A

Okay, okay, yeah all right.

A

Okay, for that.

H

I move to approve, mr chairman, you have a motion. Do we have a second.

A

Second, the lingus seconds: all those who are not in favor of the motion signify by saying unheard motion carries next item.

W

Thank you all very much.

A

If you're in consideration the windmill subdivision master plan, the intent is residential and commercial.

B

uh Mr chairman, for the record, we have received correspondence from the engineer to have this item tabled.

A

All right, we have a motion to table motion to cable.

A

Gary next side of preliminary consideration of the following preliminary flats.

D

A

Consideration of the flatwell of uh windmill subdivision, so I imagine this one will be tabled also.

B

That is correct, mr chairman. We did receive correspondence to have this item table.

A

A

Have a motion: do we have a second second armenia seconds, all those who are not in favor signified by shanghai gary next site, a preliminary consideration of the plan of opel road extension, 50 foot right away, dedication, flashing, tennis, right away, dedication, okay,.

B

Yes, mr chairman, next slide: oh there we go the for the record. The applicant is garrett, fort huber, engineer of record civil engineering consultants, approximately twenty four thousand square feet located east of us, highway, 83, south and north italiano boulevard. The zoning for this development is b1 and it's just right away. Dedication.

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B

General location, aerial view street view, the proposed plan, comments for planning and water utilities, utility coordination and the proposed motion.

A

All right now, this dedication is going to the public. Is that.

B

Correct uh that is correct, mr chairman, this is, will be a tie-in uh to the future la salvea's development, which uh phase one has already come in for preliminary approval. So this is a very unnecessary time to be able to connect to cielito lindo.

B

Garrett for fort cuber, well the developer's going to make the road that is correct. Yes, sir. Okay, all right.

H

Where, where is the fire station located in relation to the road.

B

The fire station is to the west slightly to the west.

H

What do you mean by slightly okay.

B

H

B

Let me get a quick measurement.

B

It'll be approximately about 700 feet to the west.

K

A

All right, what are the wishes of the.

K

Commission I'll make a motion to approve, subject to the following comments: advice.

A

All those who are not afraid of this motion signified by chain. I have not heard next site of preliminary consideration of our boulevard. 90 foot right away, dedication plan right away.

B

For the record, the applicant is united, independent school district. The engineer of record is civil engineering consultant, approximately 2.3 acres located west of fm 1472 and north of world trade bridge this. The current zone of this development is ag and the proposed uses right away.

B

General location, aerial view street view.

B

The proposed plan, comments for planning and water utilities, utility coordination and traffic safety, and the proposed motion.

A

Q

Good evening, mr chairman and members of the commission andres rubio with civil engineering consultants, uh we concur with comments. Okay, very.

A

Good anybody having any questions for the engineer of record on the commission.

H

um Am I correct to assume that uh there is a requirement on this roadway uh for a bicycle lane.

H

Is that correct.

A

Do we have the city engineer on.

E

I don't, I don't believe he is on.

A

All right, so I know the pastor was.

A

There was uh kirby had wanted to put bicycle lanes on on this particular roadway. I don't think it's a good idea at all because of the traffic generated by the school and the busters and cars, and I guess that's one of the questions.

T

Mr chairman is danny mckee.

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P

The intent is to have a bicycle lanes, we're following the v-bullardo plan for this road, so it will encompass by bicycle lights. That's.

H

Their requirement.

P

Yes, actually, we will be presenting in a future meeting or uh I guess I'm not sure how you call it motion to have this this streets designated as an arterial.

P

So we can have the necessary streets and keep all the assets that are required by the people. The radio plan.

H

You know, I know, I know we passed, that active transportation plan, which is an oxymoron in my thought, but you know we're we're addressing five percent of the population and in a school in a school where busing- and I would assume- I see some of the uisd people on here.

H

I would assume that about 70 to 80 percent of the students that are going to come to the school are going to be on buses and you mix of buses with bicycles and you're, going to have the same problem that you have cars with tractor trailers, where the bus driver doesn't see the bicycle and and the potential for having a really tragic accident. Is there. I.

H

I think we need to have more common sense than than to put bicycle lanes going into schools when nobody's going to use them and if they do use them, they're putting their life at risk or or you're putting bicycle lanes in industrial areas like santa maria that was uh constructed in order to put tractor trailers on and the city spent millions of dollars, and then you go destroy it by putting in a bicycle lane and and making it even more dangerous for the cars that transit through those areas.

H

I'm I'm totally against putting a bicycle lane in this street, and I just want to voice my opposition to that.

A

Thank you, um I am in the same opinion. Common sense needs to prevail on these things and you can't mix bicycles with uh buses.

A

This is not a very good idea at all about whoever thought it out, and I think what we need to do here, in my opinion, is probably accept. This right away would make a motion that pretty much states that uh we would be against bicycling constructed on this particular.

H

I would make that motion sherman. All right. We have a motion. Do.

A

We have a second second welcome from buenos all those who are not in favor of the motion signify by saying aye.

I

Aye, I'm sorry I'm not in favor of the motion. I agree with bicycle lane.

N

But me too, because we need to consider also.

I

The reason people don't bike to to the school.

E

Is because there are no lanes for them.

I

To ride bikes and buses don't go fast, I mean yeah they're. They.

N

Have sense that you need to implement.

G

I

G

This this happens.

I

And so this planning activity happens all over the country. I've been around cities where there's buses and trucks and bikes right next door, and they coexist no problem.

A

Commissioner, all right, we have.

D

A

Motion carrier all right. The next item: this is the preliminary consideration of the flat of uisd. Juan roberto ramirez middle school is institutional.

B

For the record, the applicant is united, independent school district. The engineer of record is civil engineering consultants, approximately 32.86 acres, located west of fm14 suit, 1472 and north of world trade bridge. The zoning for this one lot, development is a.g and the proposed use is institutional, general location, aerial view street view.

B

The proposed plan comments from planning and water utilities, utility coordination and the proposed motion all right.

A

Okay, do we have the engineer record on.

Q

uh Yes good evening, uh mr chairman and members of commission andres rubio with cc, uh we concur with the comments all right. Thank you.

A

uh What are the wishes of the commission.

K

Motion to approve such as the following comments, not advice, yeah, the motion. Do we have a second.

A

Yes, all those who are not in favor of the motion, signifier by saying unheard motion, carries all right. The next items that we have are their final flats and final re-flats, um and we can. uh I think we can have a motion to take them all as one if we can.

A

We have a motion, we have a second.

A

Second, lugo: no all those who are not in favor of the motion seeing the power by saying I heard motion carries so we now have a motion for approval.

A

uh There's only one thing that I do want to comment on, but before we make the uh the motion here is that you know there's a lot of subdivisions that are being constructed right now.

A

We, as a commission some time ago, went ahead and changed some ordinances to allow rear, lock construction. I mean rear, lock, drainage.

A

I think we need to look at these things in terms of when subdivisions are getting constructed into the future. We need to look at the grading plan to make sure that those grading plans are not going to create havoc for the new homeowners. That's a comment that I want on the record. Only now I will take a motion for a fool of these things.

K

Motion to approve that advice, advice, motion.

A

Intersections all those who are not impaired, emotions signify by saying aye, not heard motion carries if we now go into item nine. This is consideration of the extension of the following class, uh which is the led subdivision unit. Eleven intense residential item, nine eight.

E

Did we skip a day.

B

Yeah, the item was approved.

E

A

E

A

You go okay, we're now at 9, 8.

B

All right next slide, please sorry, the applicant for the record is the most. Your record is approximately nineteen point: eight acres located south of sierra vista and the zoning for this hundred trillion dollars r1a and the proposed residential and they're just coming in for an extra additional six-month extension and the proposed motion.

P

K

A

Gun heard motion carries item 10, discussion and recommendations. The first item that we have is the uh discussion recommendation on the adoption of the amendment to the future thoroughfare plan. As of index b of the city loretto comprehensive plan to modify the functional classification of the proposed tequila boulevard from a collector and minor arterial to the principal arterial throughout all right.

E

Mr chairman, this item comes from our traffic department. um I think he'd like to speak to this.

D

E

T

Sorry, can you hear me.

P

D

E

P

Okay, um this was proposed for to match the server plan to the area. That's uh I guess, to the north. uh The road will continue. It's also so that we can provide enough lanes to handle the traffic with expected school traffic and the subdivisions that are through there. um If you go by the laredo conference plans, we have right now it will only require three lanes, but there was 90 feet dedicated, so we have enough room to put in five lanes to handle the traffic through that area. That's the reason because this was proposed.

S

A

All right welcome wishes to the commission.

H

uh Mr chairman, I have a question. You have to go ahead. The the uh archero boulevard is going to be outside of the area that was originally a uh private.

H

Roadway or private development, where lavota and all of its streets within it were were not accepted by the city and, in fact, were private roads. Does that has that continued, and is this in that subdivision, or is it away from that subdivision adjacent to it?.

B

Yeah, if I may, uh commissioner, this area or the proposal is actually shifting away from that area,.

H

Okay, thank you.

A

All right, any other questions for the commission.

A

All right, what are the wishes of the commission.

A

I removed to it I'm out of motion. Do we have a second.

K

A

Millennial seconds, all those who are not impaired with emotions sing the power by saying aye.

A

Now unheard motion carry last item, discussion and recommendation regarding the minimum of the later land development code, article 4, section, 24.6, 3.2 entitled permitted land users to permit amusement services indoors in the auro and in the b1 zoning districts and limiting the hours during which amusement services may provide outdoor music.

A

The proposed amendment is intended to provide opportunity for investment and revitalization of the downtown area.

E

All right, uh yes, sir, mr chairman, the ordinance proposes to allow amusement services indoors in both the ro and v1 districts. The current ordinance allows the amusement services indoors in the. Let me pull it up in the cbd.

E

It allows it in the ae, the cbd and and up, um and so this ordinance would allow it in the ro and v1 as well. The proposed ordinance would also limit the hours during which these services would would be able to provide outdoor music. uh What we were proposing is that, if they're located in the ro.

E

They would have to limit music to 10 pm from 10 p.m, to 10 a.m, on sunday through thursday, so basically the week times and then on the weekends from midnight to 10 a.m, friday and saturday.

E

um The impact is that the intention is to promote renewed investment in our downtown area by allowing the conversion of vacant residential structures to event centers or reception halls. um The staff recommends uh that this commission sent a positive recommendation uh to counsel on the proposed amendment.

A

Oh vanessa, this is intended for downtown you're wanting to extend the cbd district. Is that what you're thinking or what.

E

No, no, it's not the extension of the boundaries, it's the it's. The allowance of that use in those districts.

A

Which is adjacent to cbd is really what your intent is right.

E

That's correct: the ro's are very much adjacent to the cbd.

A

But it does not prevent anybody who's in an ro district from having this situation, where somebody can go up and do something similar in another part of town that is not in the downtown area.

E

That is correct.

A

It would be city-wide.

E

For all ro districts.

H

So what are, what are the issues related to parking, and how would you address those when you have limited parking already in the downtown area.

E

Well, in the historic in the historic road districts, there was an ordinance amendment passed whereby 50 of the parking can be waived by the building official and uh the remaining 50 percent of the of the remaining 50 percent that is required can be accommodated by on-street parking. So that's the in the historic ro districts parking only is required for 25 of the of the actual required parking. So.

H

You're saying that that these services amusement and event centers would be allowed in our roles in the historic district, are you going to destroy the historic district.

E

The well, the intention is to try to repurpose abandoned.

H

E

Historic homes that are sitting vacant um and able to be repurposed to these sorts of uses, we've had quite a lot of interest in uh creating these um converting these homes into event. Centers.

H

And and so by amusement services, you're indirectly talking about machinitas.

E

No under the code are covered under amusement redemption machine establishments.

H

So what are amusement services.

E

They're they're, uh the definition is, let me pull it up.

E

In general, amusement services indoors are buildings or structures principally devoted to recreational activities or leisure and recreational services to the public or members. Examples include event: centers and reception halls.

H

This sounds like a complicated ordinance and, and just as a first blush, I I think it's it's gonna be a difficult ordinance to enforce and it's gonna on the on the enforcement side with the hours and the different things that that you're. Talking about that, that I see some some problems and trying to even enforce these activities that are being recommended.

H

But that that's just my opinion.

A

You know, let me add, to that a little bit uh if we're going to go to vent uh centers, the fire codes going to come in and it's going to require sprinkler systems on a lot of these buildings, and so that's a bigger issue also that comes into play, because then it makes those structures, maybe totally unfeasible to handle. Something like this. This is this is a tough ordinance because there's two things that the policing of this ordinance is going to be tough in different areas and obviously the uses that are going to be designated.

A

Are you know fire code issues? Often uh that's.

I

Your chairman, yes, sir, go ahead detroit. I have a question for staff and uh comment as well, so just to um give me some clarity, the change to the change of the ordinance, the ordinance change. Does that apply. City-Wide. Did I hear correctly? That applies to all the oh, uh what the name of the ros? Yes, sir!

I

So if your objective was to uh enhance the downtown attractive, why not just restrict it to downtown.

E

uh There's some there's some law and I would I would hate- hesitate to speak on behalf of our legal department but having um a spot rules for just certain areas. um There's there's some issues involved. There.

I

Oh okay: well, I think we need to. I think that would be the solution to overcome those issues, because making a city-wide is an issue that I see when we don't need a city-wide. We need it downtown and now I don't think it was well thought out um going to the chairman's point about the historic districts and fire sprinkler systems. We had a similar item that came to, or I mean I don't know. If you remember a couple years ago, when someone to open up a a library serving alcohol.

E

And the residents didn't.

I

Want the alcohol because they feared that their kids were in danger from drugs or something to I'm exaggerating. But you know what I mean.

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I

Didn't go through and.

E

I

What happened, if that, if they will, if they uh were able to open up their business or not, now you're allowing amusement centers yeah.

E

You're gonna have loud music.

I

And you're gonna have alcohol right.

E

They were, they were allowed to open the the bookstore was allowed to open. um I guess.

I

With a lot of with a lot of uh a lot of work on their part to get it open, a lot of restrictions as well.

E

What I was thinking is that, as a possible um amendment to this ordinance, we could possibly change it just to allow it located in the historic ro district.

A

Well, I think that's what we're all you know saying, because the other thing that I was thinking of is you can make it a zoning overlay uh where you just designate this particular type of activity that you're looking at in and around the downtown area. Up to a certain.

E

So what I'm hearing is, uh as a possible amendment uh to the ordinance, is to allow the amusement services in the historic road district and not in the v1.

A

Well, let me ask you this: you were the one that brought this and obviously you said there was a lot of people. I don't know how much is a lot that we're interested in doing something like that, but if it's one or two people- and if it's something that you know, I just don't see how to be honest with you doing this particular activity from a business point of view, it's going to make sense, you know I I don't see it at this point.

A

uh I know that you're trying to open up particular buildings that are abandoned, but you need to look at this thing from a business point of view which I'm going to open up business that I have and I've got to spend a lot of money.

A

I I don't see that at this point, but I think it's something that if the intent is to enhance development downtown, then it should be specifically catered to the historic district. uh That's my opinion.

I

And mr sherman, this is, and if they could also take it from an investor's perspective and step by step, what an investor would want to do to open what they need to do as far as fire code and the money associated with that and then implement that into their change, and maybe they could have a a clearer perspective on how this thing would actually work and and practice not actually not. In theory,.

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N

Yes, this is daniela I wanted to- uh I agree with mr chairman and with galde to do to do it only on the disc on the downtown area in the historic um part, and also with for with them, um putting everything together. I think that would be great just to pick up downtown, because there's a lot of places that are that are abandoned.

H

Chairman, I don't know if, if you would consider a motion to table to give staff an opportunity to rework the ordinance and bring it back, addressing uh some of the concerns that the commissioners have expressed and and if you would consider it, I would move to table. That's.

A

Exactly where I was headed marion uh that we have a motion from rule, I need to table this item that the staff work on a little bit better. Do we have a second.

K

Second, for the table.

A

K

All those things.

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A

We're not in favor of this motion signify by saying aye.

A

Thank you all right. We don't have a chairman's report anymore uh vanessa. I do want to make one comment. I know that the governor has signed into law that governments have to overcome, and so I am going to ask our next meeting be in person uh in a normal meeting place downtown.

E

Yeah, um it looks like city council is going towards a letting letting the public into their meetings, and that was our intention that our next meeting would be in person and we'll definitely you know let everybody know if anything happens, um to uh to change that. But that was our intention.

A

Very good, very good. Thank you. Then. We have a motion to adjourn.

N

I wanted to ask something, and it can it be like also hybrid, for example, to be present and for people that can't go be um online, just a proposal. I think.

A

I think they have to look at what the governor's order is saying: okay and they have to follow whatever their governor's orders are, uh so whatever that order is uh is what has to happen, but certainly, uh if it does allow for a hybrid, I mean it just makes it. I think something that that can be looked at. You know, but we just need to follow what the mandates of the of the law is right. Now all right motion to adjourn.

A

Okay, then uh I want to thank you all very much. It was a very good meeting and we'll hopefully see you all at the next meeting. Thank.

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I have a lot of.

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