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A
Good
evening
boy,
it's
been
a
long
time
since
we
convened
in
the
chambers
wow
glad
to
see
everybody
back.
Welcome
to
2023..
We
are
streaming
the
live
as
well
as
capturing
the
video
on
our
YouTube
channel
City
Master
YouTube
channel.
Welcome
to
the
January
3rd
city
council
meeting,
like
with
all
of
our
other
meetings,
we'll
start
by
reciting.
The
Lord's
Prayer,
followed
by
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance,
then
we'll
get
into
tonight's
business.
A
B
B
E
A
Okay,
council
is
part
of
your
duties
for
the
first
meeting
of
the
year
is
the
selection
of
the
2023
council
president
pro
tem
for.
H
D
A
D
G
This
is
a
resolution
repealing
and
replacing
resolution
number
27-22
2022
establishing
a
policy
by
which
members
of
the
common
Council
May
participate
by
electronic
means
of
communication
I'm
just
going
to
go
straight
into
the
body
section.
One
for
the
provisions
of
the
act
includes
definitions,
May
apply
to
this
resolution.
G
That
is
an
executive
session,
allows
the
public
to
simultaneously
attend
and
observe
the
meeting.
Be
a
member
who
participates
by
electronic
means
of
communication
shall
be
considered
present
for
the
purposes
of
establishing
a
forum
and
may
participate
in
action.
Only
if
the
member
can
be
seen
and
heard
all
votes
taken
during
the
meeting
at
which
at
least
one
member
participates
in
by
electronic
means
of
communication
must
be
taken
by
a
roll
call
vote
section.
G
Three
at
least
50
percent
of
the
members
must
be
physically
present
at
a
meeting
at
which
the
member
will
participate
by
means
of
electronic
communication,
not
more
than
50
percent
of
the
members
May
participate
by
an
electronic
means
of
communication.
At
that
same
meeting,
the
member
may
not
attend
more
than
25
percent
of
the
meetings
in
the
calendar
year
by
electronic
means
of
communication.
Unless
the
members,
electronic
participation
is
due
to
military
service,
illness,
medical
condition,
death
of
a
relative
or
an
emergency
involving
an
actual
threatened
injury.
G
Two
persons
of
property,
a
member
May,
attend
two
consecutive
meetings,
a
set
of
meetings
by
electronic
communication.
A
member
must
attend
in
person
at
least
one
meeting
between
sets
of
meetings
that
a
member
attends
by
electronic
communication.
Unless
the
member's
absence
is
due
to
military
service,
illness
death,
a
relative
or
emergency
involving
actual
threatened
injury
to
persons
or
property,
a
member
may
not
attend
a
meeting
by
electronic
means.
If
the
member
lacks
the
technological
wherewithal
to
accomplishment
the
meetings
of
the
memorandum.
G
The
meeting
at
which
a
member
participates
by
electronic
means
must
identify
each
member
who
was
physically
present
at
the
meeting
participated
in
the
meeting
by
electronic
means
and
communication
and
was
absent
and
identify
the
electronic
means
of
communication
by
which
the
member
participated
in
the
meeting
and
members
of
the
public
attended
to
observe.
The
meeting
was
not
an
executive
session
November.
G
Public
May
simultaneously
attend
the
meeting
and
observe
the
meeting
unless
the
meeting
is
an
executive
session
and
the
minutes
of
the
memorandum
of
the
meeting
must
comply
with
section
4
of
this
resolution.
All
votes
taken
during
the
meeting
at
least
one
member
participating
by
electronic
means
must
be
taken
by
a
roll
call
vote.
J
A
Authority
to
do
this
through
executive
order
of
Governor
Holcomb
after
covid
was
lifted.
Legislature
adopted
a
statute
that
allowed
municipalities
to
adopt
this
process
whereby
we
could
continue
to
meet,
even
if
there
was
some
level
of
electronic
participation.
We
adopted
that
resolution
about
March
of
last
year
this
this
resolution,
amendment
to
repealing
and
replacing
the
other
resolutions
sponsored
by
councilman
Schaefer
a
it
is
really
minor
changes
so
that
we
can
conform
with
all
the
flexibility
that
the
state
statute
provides,
particularly
with
regards
to
the
ability
to
attend
two
consecutive
meetings
remotely.
E
Not
really
just
I
guess
to
further
note
that
on
the
the
points
they
did
change
section
D,
which
changes
to
C-
that
was
just
a
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
in
a
change
inadvertently
previously,
but
we
were
not
quite
in
alignment
with
the
state
statute.
So
that's
why
I
worked
with
the
mayor's
office
to
want
to
get
this
updated?
E
E
F
On
it
last
page,
section
six
number
two
there's
an
is
and
together
and
section
six
part
C,
there's
electronic
means.
A
G
A
Joe
in
mind
give
it
a
preamble
to
the
the
ordinance.
As
you
know,
this
is
the
second
reading
and
we'll
move
this.
The
third
reading,
the
next
council
meeting.
As
you
know,
we've
been
working
on
literally
a
crystal
beach
restoration.
That
became
a
replacement
pool
replacement
project
for
the
past
year.
A
The
actual
restoration
of
the
pool
house
has
been
ongoing
for
several
years,
which
is
nearing
completion,
but
as
a
preamble
to
the
importance
of
this
ordinance
have
some
remarks
I'd
like
to
just
make
for
the
record,
it's
no
easy
feat
to
design
and
execute
a
major
pool
replacement
project
as
unique
as
Crystal
Beach
in
this
economic
environment.
A
It's
been
30
years
since
the
city
has
made
a
major
investment
in
its
Park
system
and
for
the
last
20
plus
years
our
community
has
grappled
with
the
pending
demise
of
Crystal
Beach
after
over
80
years
of
service
to
our
community
and
hundreds
of
thousands
of
visitors
to
our
Waters.
This
iconic
and
historic
WPA
project
was
deemed
too
unsafe
to
use
and
was
forced
to
close
in
the
summer
of
2022.
A
Indiana
landmarks,
which
is
a
preeminent
historic
preservation
organization
in
the
state
noted
this
in
a
recent
article,
though
it's
increasingly
rare
to
find
historic
pools.
Previous
generations
of
swimmers
still
recognize
Crystal,
Beach
pool
and
Madison
retains
a
historic
shape
and
bathhouse,
even
as
plans
are
underway
to
renovate
the
site
for
the
future.
A
Without
losing
momentum
on
the
pool
house,
restoration
for
year-round
use
and
programming,
we
then
embarked
on
a
plan
to
design
and
replace
Crystal
Beach
pool
that
will
serve
future
generations
of
visitors
and
support
our
youth
and
adult
recreational
programming
for
the
next
50
to
75
years,
while
adding
adding
modern
amenities
for
all
abilities
and
all
ages.
A
new
Crystal
Beach
will
contribute
to
Madison's
recreational
tourism
landscape
and
continue
to
Adorn
our
National
Historic
Landmark
District.
A
We
are
certain
that
we
can
pursue
a
plan
which
delivers
a
pool
to
the
community,
wants
eliminate
the
downside
of
risk
of
uncertainty
and
do
this
without
increasing
any
property
tax
rates.
In
a
few
notes
about
the
efforts
over
the
past
year
that
brought
us
here
today,
the
new
pool
has
been
designed
for
multi-generational
use
for
all
ages
and
abilities.
The
unsafe
pool
and
Equipment
have
been
demolished
and
removed.
Property
has
been
transformed,
I'm,
sorry,
property
has
been
transferred
to
a
newly
formed
City
of
Madison
RDA.
A
A
lease
and
bond
authorization
has
been
approved
by
Council
and
the
RDC.
The
bonds
have
been
placed
with
German
American
Bank
grateful
for
their
participation
in
City
projects
at
a
tax
rate,
neutral
amount
and
fixed
interest
rate
for
20
years.
The
design
of
the
new
pool
respects
the
authenticity
of
the
original
1938
WPA
structure.
The
construction
project
has
been
scoped,
designed
costs
incurred
and
publicly
bid
with
one
bid
received
lit
revenue.
Bonds
can
be
authorized
to
allow
the
project
to
proceed,
which
is
on
our
agenda
tonight.
This
will
have
zero
impact
on
property
taxes.
A
Alternative
sources
of
funding
are
still
being
pursued
to
offset
costs.
Not
moving
forward
would
create
significant
uncertainty
regarding
costs
and
interest
rates,
as
well
as
timing,
preserving
the
character
and
the
authenticity
of
the
craftsmanship
from
1938
requires
more
emphasis
on
design
than
a
typical
public
swimming
pool.
Not
moving
forward
would
create
dramatic
uncertainty
about
the
pool's
future,
which
is
why
we
request
requesting
Council
support
to
move
forward.
The
lit
ordinance
we
have
in
front
of
you
tonight
will
allow
us
confidence
in
moving
forward.
A
H
H
That's
what
I'm
asking
I'm
asking
can
we
keep
this
shape
of
this
pool?
Remove
some
of
the
additional
items,
such
as
a
lazy
river
and
a
splash
pad
and
stay
within
the
original.
A
6.1
I'm
sorry
I'm,
going
to
invite
Tony,
who
has
been
working
with
our
design,
design,
team
and
Architects
to
talk
about
the
efforts
councilman
that
they
are
making
to
reduce
the
cost
of
the
pool
while
preserving
its
authenticity,
but
also
modernizing
it
for
use
by
all
abilities
and
all
ages.
K
Yeah
councilman
dattillo,
the
question
of:
can
the
pool
be
cut
down
in
size
or
scope
based
upon
the
current
budget
of
6
million?
That
was
approved,
and
the
answer
is
no.
K
K
Most
of
all,
those
amenities
that
you
you
mentioned
in
reference
really
only
are
about
a
million
dollars
of
the
overall
pool
cost
slides
487
000,
the
lazy,
Rivers
100.
The
diving
well
is
about
60
and
there's
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
stuff
in
the
splash
pad.
I
could
go
into
that
more
detail,
but
overall,
if
you
cut
everything
out
of
that,
people
see
touch,
feel
and
really
want
to
enjoy
it's
about
a
million
dollars.
K
A
The
other
thing
that
would
be
at
compromise
is
attendance.
You
know,
with
a
pool
that
we're
building
and
modernizing
that'll
have
these
amenities
to
it.
It'll
grow
in
attendance,
and
that
will
also
support
operational,
more
operational
costs
of
the
pool,
but
also
allow
us
an
opportunity
to
better
maintain
the
pool.
I
also
want
to
mention
this.
A
20
years
ago,
the
city
of
Madison
formed
a
steering
committee.
They
grappled
with
this
very
topic.
What
are
we
going
to
do?
The
pool
is
essentially
deteriorating
to
the
point
where
it's
not
going
to
be
usable,
the
grappled
where
they
should
put
the
pool
and
what
they
should
build
back.
Their
conclusion
was
the
poll
should
be
right
where
it
is
and
they
went
through
a
series
of
analysis
of
different
sizes
and
Scopes
and
different
amenities.
But
essentially
the
estimate
20
years
ago
would
be
was
five
million
dollars.
A
So
you
know,
if
you
think
about
the
time,
value,
money
and
the
inflation
factor
from
20
years
ago.
That's
about
eight
and
a
half
million
dollars
today,
factor
in
the
disruption
that
we're
experiencing
in
supply
chain,
materials
costs,
Labor
financial
markets,
Capital
markets,
all
the
above,
which
we
don't
control
frankly
to
be
where
we
are,
is,
although
it's
higher
than
we
would
like,
we.
A
We
believe
that
the
best
thing
to
do
is
move
forward
for
the
next
50
to
75
years
and
make
the
proper
investment
that
the
community,
the
community
needs
and
I
think
we'll
be
rewarded
by
the
focus
for
placing
on
the
design
of
the
pool
rather
than
you
know
the
rectangular
or
you
know
doing
what
other
communities
do,
which
is
close.
The
pool
all
together
and
I
think
we'll
be
rewarded
with
higher
attendance,
because
it
will
have
much
more
appeal
to
a
broader
segment
of
our
region.
Yeah.
K
As
a
water
park
and
to
that
end
the
the
pool
design,
if
I
can
go
back,
you
know
we
put
forth
that
we
didn't
want
to
have
additional
guards.
We
wanted
to
keep
the
same
number
of
guards.
We
had
but
add
all
these
features
and
we've
we've
done
that
we
want
to
extend
the
hours
and
so
there's
a
lighting
system
in
there
and
the
ability
to
keep
the
pool
a
little
bit
in
longer
periods
of
time.
K
They
anticipate
that
growing
to
25
000,
fairly
quickly
and
being
a
regional
destination
facility
because
of
the
amenities
that
we're
adding
to
that,
and
if
you
look
around
pools,
don't
have
that
that
are
closer
to
us,
and
so
we
believe
that,
from
an
operational
perspective,
we'll
be
able
to
increase
some
of
the
ability
to
reduce
the
the
subsidy
that
the
current
parks
department
pays
for
the
pool
in
the
term,
which
is
a
very
efficient
operation
currently
anyway.
So
we
think
we're
only
going
to
improve
on
that
we're
currently.
K
At
about
a
78
percent,
if
you
remember
correctly
in
one
of
the
earlier
presentations
we're
running
about
78
efficient
on
our
on
our
pool,
which
means
we're
only
subsidizing
less
than
30
percent
of
taxpayer
dollars.
Because
of
the
operations
of
the
pool
and
we're,
we
made
a
commitment
not
to
raise
the
the
entry
fee
as
a
part
of
this
new
pool,
and
we
think
we'll
be
in
a
good
spot
to
be
able
to
continue
to
do
that.
Operationally.
A
And
we're
still
we're
still
talking
with
other
potential
co-investors
or
financial
supporters
of
the
pool.
This
authorization
allows
us
to
proceed
with
the
confidence
that
that
we
can
do
the
design
work,
reduce
the
costs
and
and
finance
the
incremental
costs
we're
only
financing
in
over
20
years,
but
the
useful
life
of
the
pool
is
going
to
be
between
50
and
75.,
and
we
can.
A
B
I
wanted
to
say
to
Dan
that
several
of
us
have
had
the
opportunity
to
come
and
voice
some
of
these
same
concerns.
You
know:
where
can
we
meet
in
the
middle?
Where
can
we
compromise
some
things
to
bring
the
costs
down
and
Tony
has
done
that
with
a
few
other
suggestions,
not
taking
the
niceties
out
necessarily
but
other
things
and
has
already
come
down.
500
000
can
we
say.
B
B
B
Thank
you
for
correcting
me,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know
that
we
have
those
same
concerns
and
that
they're
very
much
aware
that
we'd
like
to
meet
in
the
middle
and
find
some
ways
to
save
money.
Maybe
it's
not
taking
the
Lazy
River
out,
but
there
are
other
ways
that
we
might
be
able
to
find
to
bring
the
budget
down
and.
K
Again,
we'll
look
at
those
options:
My
Philosophy,
about
trying
to
cut
the
dollars
out
of
this
project
is
look
at
things
that
you
don't
see
and
that
have
no
impact
on
the
kids
or
the
adults
of
the
community.
So
I
I
started
we're
starting
at
the
bottom,
everything
underground
and
moving
up
and
we're
making
some
great
sacrifice.
We're
looking
at
details
on
the
project
getting
getting
input
from
the
construction
contractors,
the
concrete
contractors
on
how
how
best
to
maybe
change
a
few
details.
So
it
saves
labor
and
some
forming
of
some
things.
K
We're
really
diving
into
the
details
of
the
pool.
So
we
can
preserve
the
the
larger
impact
of
of
the
pool
for
the
community,
the
things
that
the
community
embraced
wanted
and
prioritized.
So
we're
going
to
start
there
first
and
see
if
we
get
to
a
comfortable
number
again.
As
I
said,
you
know,
if
I,
if
we
cut
all
that
all
of
the
play
structures
out
and
all
the
niceties
and
just
had
a
crystal
beach
pool
at
14
000
square
feet.
K
Instead
of
22
000
square
feet,
we'd
only
cut
a
million
dollars
off
and
I
I.
Think
for
a
75
year
old
pool,
you
know
for
75
years
length
of
a
pool,
it's
important
for
us
to
to
build
it
in
a
modern,
2023
fashion.
G
You
know
one
thing
to
Just
note
from
a
legal
standpoint
of
why
why
we're
doing
this
is
is
I,
think
important.
We've
got.
We
received
one
one
bid
to
to
do
this
project
and
it
was
at
eight
million
dollars.
The
city
from
a
legal
standpoint
and
Tom
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
is
unable
to
accept
a
bid
that
it
cannot
show
that
has
the
wherewithal
to
to
pay.
G
And
so
that's
why
yeah
and
that's
why
we're
going
through
this
step
in
order
to
in
order
to
be
able
to
accept
that
bid,
because
I
think
the
mayor
and
and
Tony
and
and
all
are
believed
that
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
risk
with
rebidding
the
project,
because,
frankly,
all
of
the,
if
I'm
correct,
all
of
the
people
that
came
to
the
pre-bid
kind
of
have
gone
together
and
made
this
bid.
K
Well,
what
I
would
say
is
we
had
five
general
contractors
show
up
at
the
pre-bid
we
received
one
bid.
We
were
really.
We
were
really
excited
to
see
five
general
contractors
interested
in
this
project,
given
the
current
environment,
what
the
feedback
has
come
back
after
talking
to
a
number
of
sources
throughout
the
networks
and
these
contractors.
You
know
why
didn't
you
bid?
K
It
really
comes
down
to
concrete
concrete's
in
a
shortage
construction
workers
to
lay
concrete
and
to
form
concrete,
is
at
a
shortage
and
there's
opportunities
out
there
to
quite
frankly,
make
more
money
on
easier
projects
for
the
concrete
contractors.
Currently,
if
you
think
about
big
box
warehouses
around
Seymour
and
Columbus
and
Indianapolis,
there's
just
a
lot
a
lot
easier
to
lay
a
half
mile
of
flat
flat,
concrete
slab.
Then
then
a
crystal
beach
swimming
pool.
We
heard
a
lot
of
that.
K
There's
still
some
supply
chain
issues
that
are
impacting
pool
equipment,
as
well
as
our
sewer
project.
If
you
remember
on
the
hill,
the
pumps,
the
electronics,
so
so,
as
we
had
those
conversations-
and
we
were
hearing
messages
that
concrete's
going
to
go
up
again
this
summer,
we
really
really
thought
long
and
hard
about
rebuilding.
As
the
mayor
said,
there's
a
number
of
risks
that
we
can't
control
and
and
I
I
would
hate
to
get
in
a
position
where
we
find,
as
we
have
with
other
bids
this
year.
K
A
And
Council
two
weeks
time
will
continue
to
provide
us
even
more
intelligence
about
the
decision
that
we'll
ask
you
to
make
at
the
next
council
meeting.
H
And
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
I'm
hearing
from
both
sides:
I
have
people
who
are
really
excited
and
want
this
project
to
go
forward,
but
I'm
hearing
for
people
who
say
that's
a
lot
of
money
to
finance.
That's
a
that's!
A
a
big
number
and
I
think
that
scares
them.
It's
a
big
number.
A
It's
a
it
is
a
large
number.
We
should
be
concerned
about
the
costs,
but
we're
also
doing
something.
That's
unique,
that
is
a
very
long-term
investment
and
it's
been
30
years
since
the
city's
made
adequate
investment
in
its
Parks,
as
we've
seen
over
and
over
and
over
again,
there's
not
very
many
parts
of
our
city
government.
A
That
is
that
had
adequate
investment
and
we
are
already
dealing
with
a
lot
of
deferred
investment
in
many
parts
of
the
city.
The
question
becomes,
the
acid
test
really
is
well.
Do
you
manage
the
risk?
As
you
know,
what
or
do
you
speculate
and
do
something
later
and
hope
hope
for
a
better
outcome?
We've
got
to
reconcile
both
of
those
approaches
and
get
to
a
good
place.
F
Just
a
quick
comment:
this
is
an
very
ambitious
project
for
a
Municipality
of
our
size,
but
I
I
firmly
believe
it's
it's
one
we
have
to
take
on
Crystal
Beach
pool
has
been
so
important
to
the
quality
of
life
for
folks
in
Madison
for
over
80
years
now,
and
it's
it's
something
that
moving
into
the
next
80
years
into
the
future.
F
A
new
pool
designed
looking
forward
towards
the
future
is,
is
going
to
only
continue
to
increase
quality
of
life
here,
especially
for
children.
Opportunities
for
children
around
here
are
slim
as
it
is,
and
having
having
a
great
new
pool
would
be
a
be
a
big
asset.
We've
got
a
great
location
for
it.
We've
got
a
wonderful
pool
house
already
completed.
F
F
We've
got
to
get
it
done
and
financially
we
may
need
to
to
redirect
funding
in
our
in
our
general
budget,
but
we
can
make
it
make
it
happen.
Thank
you.
I
I
And
I
am
a
currently
semi-retired
sure
I
live
at
608,
Mulberry,
Street
and
I
worked
on
the
National
Historic
Landmark
and
one
of
the
things
the
configuration
of
this
pool,
which
they
have
tried
to
maintain
is
at
least
unique.
To
this
extent,
it
is
unique
to
the
to
the
National
Historic
Landmark,
in
that
we
have
only
one
project
of
this
scope
and
this
size,
and
it
may
be
unique
and
I-
have
not
checked
this,
but
it
may
be
unique
in
in
its
regard
for
that.
I
L
A
Factoring
in
interest
costs
and
time,
okay,
but
that
future
dollar
is
going
to
be
worth
less
than
today's
dollar.
So
if
you
wanted
to
do
a
real
MPV
analysis,
I
think
you'd
have
to
take
all
that
into
consideration.
If
that
I'm
not
sure
what
your
point.
L
L
Okay,
so
so
that
eight
million
dollar
is
a
larger
amount
than
what
you're
telling
the
council.
We
need
we're
going
to
be
paying
more
than
8
million
and
then
councilman
Cavanaugh
I
think
you
use
the
phrase
one
way
or
another.
We
need
to
get
this
done.
Does
that
mean
there
is
no
ceiling
on
cost,
because
no.
F
F
A
Have
a
fixed
price,
Construction
contract
I've
already
done
the
design
work.
We
know
where
we're
about
at
on
our
financial
costs.
So,
yes,
I,
do
not
expect
costs
to
increase
beyond
the
guard
rails.
We're
talking
about
now
with
our
financing,
so
our
financing
is
going
to
be
the
limitation.
Okay,.
A
A
A
We
go
to
the
point
of
declaring
the
pool
unsafe
for
use
and
moving
it
to
the
replacement,
our
Architects
and
and
Engineers
estimates
for
six
million
dollars.
Okay.
So
this
is
yes.
D
Hey
true
set
701
East,
2nd,
Street
and
I
just
want
to
Thank
The,
Architects
and
Tony,
and
the
folks
that
have
been
working
on
this
I
am
extremely
concerned
that
we
keep
the
size
and
shape
of
Crystal
Beach
I'm,
a
regular
user
and
I'm
also
aware
of
the
the
importance
historically
for
preserving
one
of
our
landmarks
in
the
district,
but
I
was
very
impressed
with
how
they
were
able
to
take
that
historic
shape
and
size
and
incorporate
things
that
people
want
in
the
pool.
D
D
The
the
other
amenities
that
they
have
put
in
there
are
things
that
the
public
has
asked
for,
and
The
Architects
have
done
a
stellar
job,
incorporating
that
into
the
historic
size
and
shape
of
the
pool
we
are
unique
and
as
a
city,
this
is
an
investment
in
our
future.
I
would
just
take
one
exception
with
with
Mr
Trevino.
It's
not
just
for
kids,
our
seniors
and
retirees
love.
This
pool.
We
have
active
exercise
programs
in
this
pool.
D
It's
only
going
to
get
more
expensive
and
the
fact
that
they
are
including
new
systems
for
filtration
pumping,
replacing
all
the
leaks
and
and
a
brand
new
pool
means
that
it
will
be
more
cost
effective
to
run
it
and
it
will
actually
be
warmer,
which
again,
for
those
of
us
older,
are
looking
forward
to
having
a
warmer
pool
in
the
summer
and
longer
hours.
It
can
be
a
fabulous
pool
and
I
think
it
will
be.
D
J
Good
evening
Council
Mayor
Mike
Greco
1106
East
Street
I
just
wanted
to
voice
my
opinion
on
this
pool.
I
think
if
this
can
hadn't
been
kicked
down
the
road
starting
20
years
ago,
the
cost
would
be
much
lower.
J
You
know
on
any
project
you
know,
buying
a
house
buying
a
car.
If
you
take
a
look
at
what
your
interest
is
going
to
be
after
the
paying
that
loan
off,
none
of
us
would
own
a
home
and
none
of
us
would
be
driving
a
new
car.
You
do
have
to
factor
those
things
in,
but
I.
Think
now
is
the
time
to
you
know,
get
this
project
done,
it's
going
to
be
cheaper
than
if
you
put
it
off
and
go
further
down
the
road
and
even
10
million
dollars
after
it's
paid
for.
J
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
liability
that
this
city
could
suffer
with
the
way
the
pool
was
something
was
to
happen.
If
the
thing
collapsed,
with
the
cracks
and
everything
is,
10
million
dollars
is
relatively
cheap
to
a
city,
I
mean
when
everything's
all
said
and
done,
and
especially
when
you're
not
raising
taxes,
I
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
and
it
does
keep
keep
the
original
idea
of
of
Crystal
Beach
the
shape,
and
you
know
what
that
program
was
80
90
years
ago.
G
Anybody
else
does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
Mr
Pittman.
A
You
thank
you,
okay,
moving
on
through
the
agenda,
nothing
miscellaneous,
so
we
will
open
the
floor
up
to
public
comments.
If
there's
anybody
who
would
like
to
address
the
mayor's
office
and
Council,
that
would
be
an
opportunity
just
come
to
the
podium.
Man
identify
your
name
and
address,
and
what
your
concern
is.
A
Thank
you
all
right
under
mayor's
comments.
Not
a
whole
lot
here.
Just
want
to
mention
that
City
staff,
myself
and
Tony
and
Nicole
will
be
at
the
southern
Indiana
RDA
meeting
on
Friday,
making
a
pitch
for
more
grant
money
for
from
the
ready
grant
program.
A
This
will
be
for
the
additional
three
projects
that
we've
identified,
that
we
are
partnering
collaboratively
with
other
organizations
in
our
community,
the
Ohio
Theater
restoration
of
the
facade
and
Marquee,
the
HMI
Bicentennial
Park
upgrades
at
the
end
of
Poplar
Street
among
drive
and
then
also
our
partnership
with
Heritage
Trail
and
Hanover
college
for
the
Hanover
Madison
connector
Trail,
we'll
be
making
presentations
to
the
Southern
Indiana
Redevelopment
Authority
on
Friday,
asking
for
their
financial
support
to
add,
in
with
the
financing
that
the
Redevelopment
commission
is
committed
to
these
projects
and
we'll
see
three
more
projects
in
addition
to
the
three
that
we've
already
broke
on
ground
on
get
underway
pretty
quickly.
A
So
we're
excited
about
all
that
plus
the
plus
the
leveraging
that
we
get
from
utilizing
our
Partnerships.
With
these
other
three
organizations
we'll
be
doing
several
millions
of
dollars
or
more
projects
with
a
minor
investment
by
by
the
city
and
I,
think
that's
fantastic
outcome.
That's
impactful
for
our
quality
of
life.
I
will
pause
there
and
Council
has
anything
they'd
like
to
say
that'll
be
the
time
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
Tuesday
January,
the
17th
everyone.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
coming
tonight.