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C
C
A
Let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
going
to
do
tonight.
First
after
we
after
we
I,
get
telling
you
that
we're
going
to
prove
the
minutes,
I'm
not
off
my
checklist,
yet
don't
worry,
Brooke
we're
gonna.
Basically
have
you
come
up
state,
your
name
and
your
address
and
then
tell
and
then
Brooke
will
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
project.
A
D
A
G
G
A
G
And
question
is,
like
you
said:
1019
North,
Walnut
Street,
which
is
rags
to
wrenches.
It's
I've
been
at
this
Podium
a
couple
times
and
everybody
always
knows
exactly
what
building
I'm
talking
about
and
that's,
okay,
you
want
to
tell
about
it.
You
want.
B
G
Looking
nice,
especially
seeing
it's
one
of
the
first
things
you
see
when
you
drive
into
town
so
from
the
first
picture,
obviously,
if
you
haven't
been
buying,
it
is
white.
Now
it
is
not
gray
any
longer.
The
gray
was
just
get
rid
of
the
yellow
quickly,
a
year
or
two
ago,
After
the
flood
years
to
ago
there
was
there's.
A
couple
of
the
structure
is
fine
on
the
on
the
whole
property.
Actually,
but
storage
is
at
a
premium
down
there.
G
I
know
when
it
used
to
be
a
tire
store
before
I've
looked
at
older
pictures
of
it.
I've
lived
here.
My
whole
life
there
used
to
be
tires
and
barrels
and
things
stacked
up
that
were
outside
the
and
I
can
understand.
Why
now
I
don't
do
that
type
of
business,
so
I
don't
have
those
kind
of
byproducts.
G
However,
I
have
the
same
things
that
anyone
has
that
they
would
need
storage
shed,
for
you
know
a
push
mower
or
a
you
know:
Christmas
ornaments,
whatever
you
may
be:
General
storage,
not
chemicals,
not
toxic
waste,
not
anything
like
that,
but
the
storage
buildings
or
storage
areas
that
I
had
on
that
building.
When
I
first
got
it
on
this
last
time
that
the
creek
came
up,
they
were,
they
were
added
on
sometime
throughout
the
years
and
not
very
well.
I
might
add.
G
concrete
pad
between
the
existing
built
garage.
That's
there
and
the
main
structure.
This
is,
if
you
I,
don't
know
it's
hard
to
tell
by
the
picture
or
if
you
have
copies
of
this,
but
there's
anchor
points.
This
is
a
mobile
structure,
so
it
is
going
to
be
delivered
not
built
on
site.
It's
been
built
offside,
however.
It
is
anchored
down
at
several
points.
I
think
every
I
want
to
say
every
it
says
in
there
somewhere,
but
it
has
a
bunch
of
anchors
in
it.
It
actually
shows
them.
G
I
think
all
the
studs
in
the
walls
are
also
places
where
to
be
anchored.
So
it's
a
permanent,
yet
movable
structure.
It's
not
going
to
float
away.
I
guess
I
should
say
you
know
not
any
more
than
any
of
the
rest
of
the
building
might
one
of
these
days,
but
so-
and
that's
just
you
know
it
Assad
will
be
paying
exactly
the
same
as
the
front
of
the
building
is
now
bright,
white
clean
with
black
trim.
G
Honestly,
in
my
opinion,
driving
by
had
you
not
known
it,
wasn't
there
before,
you
probably
wouldn't
know
it
was
there
after
I
would
put
it
up
and
it'll
just
allow
me
to
be
able
to
utilize
my
interior
space
more
comfortably
in
the
building
right
now,
because
we
do
operate
at
a
pretty
good
capacity
and
we
stay
pretty
busy
and
I
think
the
people
of
downtown
have
enjoyed
having
it
open
again
so
or
so
I'm
told
by
my
customers.
So.
A
A
Yeah
you
really
I.
G
Don't
want
to
sign
so
what
you
can't
see
is
the
back
of
this
building
and
behind
actually
this
one
structure
can
you
get
the
overhead
I
could
actually
Point
them
out
more
on
my
terrible
four-year-old,
no
there's
another
one
that
was
the
site.
G
The
site
drawing
it,
looks
really
bad
there
you
go
so
these
these
main
buildings
right
here.
These
roofs
kind
of
go
like
this
as
you're
looking
at
the
front
of
the
building,
but
they're
all
structurally
the
same
size
here
on
the
back
of
a
couple
of
them
are
some
kind
of
like
lean-to
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
they
use
them
for
tire
storage
at
the
time.
No
doubt
we're
just
kind
of
hammered
together
in
the
middle
of
the
night
kind
of
thing.
I
would
reckon.
G
So
these
are
not
part
of
the
actual
structure
of
the
building.
They're
more
like
a
lean
to
structure.
You
know
they
weren't
walled
in,
but
just
plywood
and
cheap
wood.
So
this
heat
this
right
here
is
is
the
empty
space
between
a
barn
that
already
exists
and
the
main
buildings,
and
what
I
propose
to
do
because
I'm
not
well
I'm,
not
using
these
anyway
I
can't
they
just
I
mean
you'd
fall
through
them.
G
G
B
G
Also,
the
the
DNR
I
filed
for
the
DNR
firm
as
well.
E
G
But
I
was
worried
about
the
the
easement
pathways
through
here,
okay
of
being
able
to
get
between
the
buildings
in
case
with
fire,
or
something
like
that
and
I
was
afraid
that
if
I
went
any
farther
than
that
there
wouldn't
be
I
think
they
they
told
me
in
order
to
put
the
building
up,
they
only
needed,
like
18
inches
between
the
next
structures,
but
I
thought
that
would
be.
It
would
be
too
tight
if
I
try.
D
I'm,
just
gonna
bring
it
from
here.
The
design
of
the
new
garage
is
an
accessory
building
should
be
compatible
with
the
dwellings.
The
historic
district
new
outbuilding
should
respect
and
blend
with
architectural
style
and
scale
associated
with
the
dwelling
and
I
believe
that
that
does
come
in
that
it's
compatible.
D
The
setback
from
the
front
facade
of
the
primary
dwelling
should
be
at
least
I.
Think
one
third
of
the
total
depth
of
dwelling
I
think
that
that
also
fell,
in
conformance
with
the
compatibility
with
primary
structure,
the
mass
in
size
height
to
ensure
that
it's
not
taller
than
or
wider
than
the
the
principal
building
on
the
lot,
and
it
is
an
appropriate
Mass.
D
See
and
then
it
should
typically
be
a
traditional
wood,
siding
or
Texture,
or
at
least
it
looked
like
wood,
and
it
is
in
conformance
of
the
ordinance
because
proposed
building
materials
outbuilding
would
be
visually
compatible
with
primary
structure.
D
D
A
A
Okay,
our
next
application
is
Jacqueline.
Buchinski
was
I,
close,
okay,
good
CFA
to
add
a
shade
shelter
in
the
back
corner
of
the
backyard
location,
405,
East,
2nd,
Street,
historic
district,
residential.
A
B
So
this
request-
or
this
this
property
is
a
Circa
1850.
It's
a
1-3
double
Pile
in
federal
contributing
it
is
known,
historic,
district
residential,
as
you
stated,
the
COA
request
is
to
add
a
shade
shelter
in
the
back
corner
of
the
backyard.
This
is
a
picture
from
our
survey
that
was
done
a
little
over
a
year
ago,
now,
I'm
sure,
as
the
board
has
gone
by
you've,
seen
the
facade
improvements
on
the
front
so
I
apologize.
This
is
an
older
picture.
B
F
I
I
H
I
We
did
not
know
about
the
setbacks
at
the
time.
I
didn't
know.
Actually
until
we
got
the
notice
for
this
and
applied
for
this
and
then
got
a
note
from
other
City
officials
that
there
is
a
three
foot
setback.
We
have
filled
out
the
application
for
the
approval
of
not
having
the
another.
H
A
H
I
I
A
F
E
F
I
I
B
No,
so
they
homeowner
can,
if
it's
an
owner
occupied
structure
which
this
is
and
the
owner
can
serve
as
their
own
contractor,
and
they
do
not
have
to
be
registered
to
do
so.
C
Right
I
understand
that
I
just
she
said,
she's
a
pro
and
I'm
thinking
of
your
you're,
not
practicing
your
trade
in
Madison,
though
it
sounds
like
right,
okay,
so
it
is,
and
do
it
yourself
deal
I
see?
Okay,
so
it's
owner
built
not
contractor
right.
We
just
don't
like
it.
When
the
these
contractors
has
been
working
here
for
decades,
you
know
give
people
or
fail
to
give
people
advice
and
they
wind
up.
You
know
in
trouble
because
they
weren't
filled
in
by
their
contractor,
but
I
understand
the
situation
now.
Yeah.
C
Okay
out
buildings
on
page
101.,
the
design
of
new
garages
and
other
accessory
buildings
should
be
compatible
with
the
dwellings
in
the
story.
District
I
should
respect
and
blend
of
the
architectural
style
and
scale
of
the
associated
dwelling,
which
I,
which
I
think
this
does,
and
the
crown
glass
is
like
kind
of
I'm
trying
to
give
it
that
antique
look
site,
new
garages,
Etc
accessory
buildings
appropriately
on
the
lot
located
fancy
garages
and
out
the
leaves
at
the
rear.
This
is
at
the
rear.
C
Let's
see
setback.
Well,
it's
not
it's.
What
isn't
far
from
the
front
facade
as
you
could
see,
and
in
fact
it's
not
even
visible
from
the
efforts
from
the
front
of
the
building.
C
Okay
should
maintain
a
proportional,
Mass,
size
and
height
to
ensure
it's
not
taller
or
wider
than
the
principal
building
on
a
lot
which
this
is
not
okay.
Materials
should
reflect.
The
historical
development
of
the
property
materials
used
at
exterior
facades
are
often
different
and
less
costly
than
that
of
the
main
dwelling.
C
It
would,
instead
of
the
expensive
brick
that
the
main
parts
built
out
of
so
that
fits
the
frame
material
frame.
Buildings
are
constructed,
we're
not
talking
about
alternative
materials
here
of
those,
so
that
doesn't
apply.
C
Let's
see
the
eaves
and
roof
Ridge
if
any
of
the
outbuilding
should
not
be
higher.
This
is,
of
course,
much
lower
Windows,
which
are
readily
visible
from
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
should
be
appropriate
to
the
style
of
the
house.
C
But
yeah,
but
I
still
think
it.
This
fulfills
24.7.
C
Okay,
two
or
B
flat
producer
wait
a
minute
visible
pedestrian
doors.
This
doesn't
have
that.
Okay,
can
we
go
to
the
next?
That's
it!
Oh!
That's
it!
Oh
with
no
panels
so
I
see
it
right.
Okay,
so
I
would
say
if
you're
going
through,
that
that
this
project
does
fulfill
our
guidelines.
H
C
B
It
is
in
our
ordinance,
as
far
as
visual
compatibility
set
back
to
neighboring
structures,
but
as
far
as
setback
variants
no
and
they
have
gone
before
the
BCA
for
the
setbacks.
I.
F
A
A
E
A
You'll
get
your
COA
in
the
mail.
Of
course
you
got
to
go
through
another
hearing,
but
as
soon
as
you
get
all
that
done
and
get
all
your
rest
of
your
permits-
and
you
can
finish
your
project.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
say.
F
I
guess
I'm
just
saying
not
to
beat
up
on
you,
because
it's
just
in
that
right
order
is
not
so
important
is
that
we
are
a
historic
district
and
to
remain
so.
We
do
need
to
you,
know,
be
sensitive
to
that,
and
and
people
need
to
know
it
and
whether
it's
the
contractors
telling
them
or
the
Realtors
or
all
of
that
I
mean
we
just
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
Education.
You
know,
because
it's
not
trying
to
penalize
people,
it's
just
trying
to
keep
what
we
have,
that
we
value
no.
I
The
lock
sets
off
the
doors
and
boiled
the
paint
off
of
them
and
refinished
them
and
put
them
back
on
so
I
mean
we
live
in
100
year
old
house
in
Jeff.
We
really
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
save
and
preserve
the
things
that
are
old.
I
am
also
a
fan
of
History.
It's
part
of
what
we
loved
about
Madison,
the
first
time,
I
came
here
10
years.
A
A
E
B
The
structure
is
a
circa
1900
shotgun,
it
is
a
contributing
structure.
Zone
Central,
business
district,
the
COA
request-
is
to
demolish
or
excuse
me
that
should
be
HDR
historic
district
residential
to
the
COA
request
is
to
demolish
the
existing
garage
and
build
a
new
20
by
24
metal
garage.
So
we'll
go
through
the
photos.
This
would
be
the
existing
structure.
Currently,
as
you
can
see,
it
is
a
non-historic
structure.
B
These
are
details
on
the
new
building
that
will
be
going
in.
H
H
E
F
I'd
say
based
on
the
preceding
findings
of
fact,
I
move
that
the
Madison
Historic
District
board
of
review,
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
Leanne
Angel,
yes
at
807,
West
3rd
Street
to
demolish
the
existing
garage
and
build
a
20
by
24
metal
garage.
A
E
B
So,
typically,
when
there
is
no
representative
we
table,
the
application
is
incomplete.
H
B
B
H
B
A
A
H
H
About
so
this
is
I'm
not
saying
we
have
to
use
this
person,
it's
just
an
ad
I
found
in
the
paper.
You
know,
Peter
Ellis
did
my
house,
you
know
I
had
an
architect.
Do
the
house
in
Indian
cave
I
mean
so
that
talent's
out
there
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
tall
and
how
wide
and
the
something's
going
to
be
as
difficult
now
I
have
to
bring
up
in
the
ordinance.
H
It
says
highly
detailed
drawings
plans
with
specifications
are
not
required,
but
each
application
must
be
accompanied
by
sketches
drawing
photographs,
descriptions
or
other
information
showing
additions
or
work
for
the
board
to
make
a
decision,
and
so
what
I'm
asking
is
that
we
Ponder
and
I'll
make
a
motion
at
the
next
meeting
when
you
guys
provide
some
feedback,
but
I
believe
that
we
should
require
the
applicants
to
bring
us
something.
We
can
understand
what
they're
trying
to
build.
F
E
H
E
F
F
H
H
You
know
when
people
did
plans
for
me,
I
told
them
they
were
overdoing
the
plans,
because
the
contractors
just
want
to
know
is
an
8
by
20
and
8
feet.
High
I'll
do
the
rest.
You
know
care
my
daughter
had
an
entire
mechanical
drawings
up
for
312
Poplar
I
go
that's
a
waste
of
money,
plumbers
and
electricians
and
HVAC.
H
F
A
Yeah
I,
don't
disagree,
Canada.
In
fact,
I
can
tell
you
that
this
is
a
good
source.
A
In
fact,
I
believe
an
applicant
came
before
Brooke
not
too
long
ago
with
a
drawing
and
it
usually
runs
around
a
thousand
dollars
just
just
just
so
you
know,
and
so
it's
not
inexpensive.
But
again
it
also
forces
the
applicant
to
really
look
at
their
lot
and
say
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
put
on
the
lot,
and
this
is
what's
going
to
look
like
and
it's
not
that
I
I.
Don't
think
from
my
vantage
point
that
we
can
say
this
has
to
be
done.
I
think
it's
a
nice
to
do
it'd
be
nice.
A
A
Well,
I
yeah
I
think
maybe
we
I
think
it
almost
begs
the
question:
do
we
need
an
architectural
committee
if
somebody's
going
to
do
a
complete
rebuild
on
a
house?
Maybe
that's
what
we
need
to
look
at,
rather
than
say,
the
applicant's
got
to
bring
in
a
detailed
set
of
plans
if
somebody's
going
to
do
a
complete
rebuild
on
a
lot
in
the
historic
district.
Well,
what
are
you
gonna.
A
It
going
to
look
like
I
think
an
architectural
committee
would
be
a
good
point,
a
good
starting
point,
because
the
the
rules
are
pretty
specific
on
sizes
and
structure
and
what
it
should
look
like
compared
to
what
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
is
and
I
think.
H
B
Will
note
two
things
one?
The
board
can
do
this
as
a
procedural
thing,
so
it
ordinance
is
a
lot
more
difficult
to
change
and
I
I.
Don't
yeah
I
agree
with
Ken
I,
don't
believe
it
needs
an
ordinance
change,
but
a
proposed
procedural
change,
as
we've
done
in
the
past,
requires
three
readings
and
discussions
at
the
public
meeting
and
then
the
board
can
vote.
B
If
there
was
a
financial
concern
for
someone
paying
for
we
that
currently
we
don't
require
true,
like
architectural
renderings,
but
if
the
board
does
choose
to
go
along
that
path
of
requiring
more
detailed
sketches
just
to
let
the
board
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
apps
available
for
free
that
people
can
do
drawings
themselves
if
they
choose.
D
I
do
agree
with
Ken
for
clarity's
sake.
I
I
know
that
we
do
get
applications
on
a
regular
basis
that
you
know
people
come
up
and
they
try
to
describe
it
with
a
block
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
not
really
giving
us
a
lot
of
detail
or
information
that
can
make
it
really
challenging,
but
also
inversely.
To
that.
To
that
we
I
believe
as
a
board.
D
B
All
right
so
our
September
Fast
Track
applications.
We
had
Brian
thiely
at
411,
East
3rd
Street
replaced
existing
horizontal
slat
wood
fence
with
a
fence
of
the
same
material
and
design,
but
deleting
one
gate:
Roger
Welch
at
509,
East
3rd
Street,
replace
existing
wood
replacement
windows
with
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows
of
same
shape,
size
and
Design.
B
Kim
Hollis
at
203,
Mill
Street
to
replace
an
existing
fiberglass
door
with
a
new
wood
door
and
Tim
Callis
at
801,
West
First
Street
to
install
a
four
foot
by
50
foot,
wood
fence
with
stone,
columns
in
the
rear
yard
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
September
2022
COA
review.
Scott
axeline
at
214
East
3rd
Street
replace
the
existing
octagon
window
with
a
more
appropriate
window
that
matches
the
rest
of
the
vinyl
windows
in
the
home
that
has
been
completed.
B
Lucy
dutello
at
1048,
West
Main
Street,
to
build
a
proposed
new
residential
structure
on
the
site
of
the
former
residence
that
is
in
progress,
Brian,
Scheid
I,
believe
that's
how
you
say
his
last
name:
947
West,
2nd
Street
to
install
a
new
fence
in
the
rear
yard,
with
Dimensions,
ranging
from
seven
to
nine
foot
tall
in
the
Western,
Slope
and
constructed
of
wood
and
Hardie
board,
removing
10
inches
from
the
gate
transfer
on
the
west
side
and
a
four
foot
wrought
iron
fence
on
the
Southern
Slope
of
the
yard
that
has
been
completed.
B
Melissa
Lee,
Melissa
Lee
Miller
at
315,
East,
1st
Street,
remodel
exterior
to
include
Smart
Siding,
two
two
over
two
wood
windows
in
the
Italian
style
block,
Foundation
shingle
roof
and
keeping
the
chimneys
that
has
been
done.
William
Jewell
at
601
Walnut
Street
to
replace
two
existing
store
windows
with
double
hung:
two
over
two
aluminum
clad
wood
windows
of
96
by
76
inches
with
two
windows
in
each
opening
that
has
been
completed.
B
John
and
Melanie
Harrell
at
313,
West
3rd
Street
replaced
existing
windows
and
add
a
metal
roof
overhang
that
has
been
done
and
then
Steve
McHugh.
At
912,
Plus
West
First
Street
applied
for
a
new
storage
building
that
has
not
been
completed,
but
he
did
come
back
to
the
board
at
a
later
date
and
received
a
COA
for
a
new
home
to
be
placed
there.
So
when
that
month
comes
we'll,
do
a
review
of
that
one,
and
that
is
all
I,
have.