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A
C
A
D
C
A
You
also
want
to
do
it
all.
Okay,
we'll
just
do
it
all
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
all
opposed
same
sign
all
right
on
to
our
applications
for
the
evening.
A
In
our
first
application
for
this
evening
is
applicant
David
Connolly
application
for
variance
variance
from
subdivision
regulations.
Applicant
requests,
a
waiver
from
section
J
paragraph,
one
of
the
subdivision
regulations
delineating
the
requirements
for
a
portion
of
the
land
be
to
be
set
aside
for
Park
use
location
is
46,
East,
350,
North,
Zone,
high
density
residential.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
David
all
right,
Joe!
Is
there
anything
more?
We
need
to
know
about
this
other
than
what's
there,
okay,
David.
Do
you
have
any
any
further
information
for
us
about
this
television.
E
The
Park
requirement
was
mainly
not
necessarily
for
the
minor
Subdivision
plat,
which
is
what
I
was
doing.
I
am
doing
it's
basically,
five
Lots
on
two
acres
20
for
our
Park
with
minimum
I,
can't
remember
that
what
the
minimum
it
was
like
yeah
that
would
pretty
much
just
blow
it
up.
A
F
E
F
F
Okay,
so
where
are
these
people
going
to
come
out
on
the
road
on.
G
F
E
E
F
A
B
H
F
Me
it
just
seemed
like
a
lot
to
put
on
that
corner
and
you
know
with
MPP
coming
out.
You
know
when
you
come
out
on.
You
know:
350,
there's
a
lot
of
times
that
the
traffic
is
really
bad
on
that
road
and
you
know
to
get
out
on
Michigan.
I
should
say
so.
You
know,
I
was
just
kind
of
worried
about
and
I
just
thought
that
I
better
come
in
and
won't
waste
my
opinion.
It's.
A
F
A
Concern
violent
concern,
so
with
your
your
drawing
there,
can
you
show
us
where
the
where
people
will
exit
and
enter
we'll
bring
it
up
here
and
then
you
can
show
the
board
here
just
to
be
sure.
E
Building
anything
on
it,
so
I
can
only
guess
what
they'd
be
wanting
to
do.
Okay,
but
I
would
say
they
probably
either
have
driveways
here
or.
A
D
F
G
Ruth,
you
see
damn
and
I
live
on.
350,
North
and
I
live
on
down
by
421,
and
so
we
live
like
on
a
hill
and
when
you
come
down
to
the
drive,
we
get
all
the
water
from
up
there,
all
of
it
and
it's
ruined
down
my
yard
and
the
county
came
out
and
tried
to
fix
it
and
they
did
a
lousy
job.
So
we
get
all
that
rain
coming
washed
my
out
front
of
my
house,
and
it
keeps
tearing
up
the
culverts
down
there
because
they
won't
hold
rocks
or
anything.
G
A
A
lot
of
this,
you
know
just
to
remind
you,
so
he's
not
building
right
right,
so
he
he's
obviously
looking
to
sell
to
someone
else
that
might
build,
and
then
they
would
be
coming
in
front
of
us,
you
normally
to
get
the
variances
and
so
forth
for
their
home
switch
at
that
point.
That
would
be
a
good
time
to
repeat
your
concern,
because
it
would
be
on
that
Builder
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
causing
problems
for
other
residents.
A
A
All
right
now
that
we've
gone
through
the
questions
and
concerns,
because
there
is
a
variance
on
this.
We
have
to
do
what's
called
a
findings
of
fact
with
it,
and
so
I'll
ask
some
questions
for
each
board
member
to
consider
whether
you
believe
it
does
meet
or
does
not
meet
the
finding
of
fact
question
or
have
any
questions
about
it.
So
Jojo
I
go
this
one
by
one
and
get
their
opinion
on
each
one
or
go
through
them
all
together,
one
by
one,
okay,
all
right!
A
I
B
A
C
I
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
it
would
affect
any
of
that.
It's
a
small
parcel
being
subdivided
with
a
small
number
of
lots.
Yeah.
G
A
I,
don't
think
so
either
I
don't
think
it's
cause
a
problem.
Next
one
are
there
conditions
upon
which
the
request
for
a
variance
is
based,
unique
to
the
property
for
which
the
variance
is
sought
and
are
not
applicable
generally
to
other
property,
so
we'll
go
through
the
same
order.
Mike
Rick.
A
C
D
I
A
And
I
agree
with
Patrick
on
that.
I
mean
the
same
thing:
everyone
too
next
one
did
the
need
for
the
variants
arise
because
of
the
particular
physical
surroundings,
shape
or
topographical
conditions
of
the
specific
property
involved
and,
while
a
particular
hardship
to
the
owner
result
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience.
If
the
strict
letter
of
these
regulations
are
carried
out,
Mike
no
Rick.
I
A
C
I
agree
for
the
same
reasons.
A
Carl
Jerry
yeah
I
do
agree
with
Patrick
and
Rick.
Will
the
variance
in
any
manner
vary
the
provisions
of
the
zoning
ordinance
or
comprehensive
plan
as
interpreted
by
the
commission
or
their
agents?
Mike
Rick.
A
A
I
A
D
I
C
C
A
Yes,
all
right,
our
second
application.
David
you
stay
up
here.
His
application
for
subdivision
final
plat
applicant
is
requesting
approval
for
final
plat
for
a
subdivision
consisting
of
five
Lots
on
approximately
1.53
Acres
location,
46,
East,
350,
North,
Zone,
high
density
residential.
A
I
I
A
A
All
right,
our
next
application
is
pcgb-23-3
applicants,
Dana
Campbell
application
for
General
business
setbacks.
Applicant
is
requesting
approval
for
setbacks
for
a
quick,
serve.
Drive-Through
restaurant
applicant
is
requesting
a
zero
lot
line
on
all
property
lines:
location,
407,
Clifty,
Drive
zoned
at
General
business.
Do
we
have
a
someone
representing
all
right?
If
you
would
state
your
name
and
address
for
us.
J
My
name
is
Steve
colber
and
my
address
is
828
Davis
Street
in
Evanston
Illinois
and
Dana
works.
For
me.
Sorry,
okay,.
A
All
right
is
there
anything
more
for
us
to
consider
with
this
application
that
you'd
like
to
oh.
J
You
see
you
guys
I've
seen
the
site
plan,
what
we're
proposing
it's
for
Duncan
and
we're
looking
forward
to
get
moving
on
the
project.
Yeah.
A
So
the
zero
zero
setback
on
that,
what
is
what's
the
explanation
for
needing
zero?
Well.
J
Donuts,
yes,
it's
not
a
full
store,
it's
a
drive-through
with
a
walk-up
Lobby.
Okay,
if
there's
any
seating
and
there
might
be
some
calendar
seating,
that's
it
okay,
so
reason
for
the
the
setback
is
where
we're
we're
right
on.
Actually,
there's
no
reason
for
a
zero
setback,
not
look
at
our
drawings,
we're
off
the
we're
off
the
property
line
a
little
bit.
We
have
to
share
that
side
parking
that
you
see.
That's
there,
that's
part
of
a
shared
parking
agreement
with
the
KFC.
That's
there.
B
J
A
J
A
A
So
one
of
my
questions
for
you,
you
know,
along
with
this,
is
you
know,
traffic
with
Duncan
right
because
5
to
10
a.m,
being
obviously
on
off
of
a
major
road
for
Madison?
What's
your
expectation,
you
know
Car
Wise,
of
what
you
can
get
through
and
how
many
cars
can
be
there
without
causing
a
backup
onto
Clifty
drive,
I.
J
Can
tell
you
this:
we
do
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
Dunkin
Donuts
and
do
traffic
studies
all
the
time.
So
what
you
see
here
show
a
double
drive
through
this
might
change,
because
Duncan
standards
to
a
single
drive
through.
So
in
the
back
there
there's
two
lanes
that
might
turn
to
one.
Oh,
we
can
still
get
11
cars
in
the
queue
and
even
at
the
busiest
Duncans,
if
we
have
nine
cars
in
the
queue
we're
happy
as
a
clam.
Next
it
backs
out
to
the
street.
J
J
G
E
J
The
way
Duncan
is
set
up
of
your
typical
order.
Nationally
is
90
seconds
from
the
menu
board
to
the
window,
yeah,
because
everything's
push
button,
there's
no
Barista
or
anything
like
that.
It's
all
pretty
quickly
formulated
and
the
new
Duncans
are
even
geared
up
more
for
drive-through,
only
type
stores.
So
in
terms
of
traffic,
we
feel
really
good
about
this
location
being
not
a
hindrance
at
all.
On
the
road,
I
mean
drastically
run
me
wrong.
G
J
You
know,
so
it's
not
like
everyone's
going
to
go
out
of
their
way
to
come
here.
Maybe
they
do,
but
it's
not
a
huge
percentage.
It's
it.
These
locations
are
selected
because
of
the
traffic
that's
already
there
and
that's
how
they
approve
corporately
these
type
of
locations.
So
the
impact
that
we
add
is
not
a
time.
Okay,.
C
J
Normally
we'd
like
to
have
like
a
bike
lane
or
something
like
that,
but
just
the
way
the
nature
of
the
slot
and
the
way
we
have
to
keep
that
parking.
That's
part
of
the
shared
parking
access
with
the
the
KFC
next
door,
it's
kind
of
tough
to
pull
it
off.
We
have
plenty
of
drive-throughs
without
a
bypass
lane.
I
can
only
hear
I
only
know
of
in
all
the
years,
I've
been
doing
one
experience
where
just
a
car
died
at
the
window
and
there
was
they
had
to
get
out
pushed
out
of
the
way.
C
J
Yeah,
you
see
bypasses
more
and
more
now
that
there's
more
and
more
drive-throughs
coming
in,
but
on
tight
Lots
like
this.
It's
you
know
we
we're
not
showing
one
I
mean
if
we
had
plenty
of
room
I'd
put
one
in
there,
but
we're
kind
of
tight
from
what
the
existing
parking
is
and
what
we
have
for
the
property
to
the
West.
Okay,.
C
Would
there
be
no
way
on
the
that
be
the
north,
the
I
guess
the
west
side
of
the
building
opposite
of
the
KFC
there'd
be
no
way
to
run
a
bypass
today.
J
H
B
J
Plus
at
the
front,
which
you
don't
see
it
on
this
drawing
when
we
get
to
the
parking
there's,
the
parking
for
the
Neighbors
I
believe
is
right
up
to
where
our
parking
starts
too.
So
we're
going
to
be
someone
be
losing
a
parking
spot
if
we
had
that
drive
to
the
West
going
all
the
way
past
the
building.
A
A
B
A
All
right,
our
next
application's
pcap-23-5
Dana
Campbell,
is
the
applicant.
It's
an
application
for
accessible
parking
plan.
Applicant
is
requesting
approval
for
a
parking
plan
for
a
quick
serve
drive-through
restaurant,
a
total
of
16
parking
spaces
are
required
with
one
Ada
space
based
upon
total
square
footage
applicant
plans
to
provide
a
total
of
24
parking
spaces
with
one
Ada
space,
so
I
guess
I'm
a
little
confused
you
going
with
a
16
or
you're
going
with
24.
J
I
J
Okay
and
and
the
we're
looking
for
just
you
know,
what's
required
and
what
we
have
for
two
different
things,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
Raw
and
also
I,
understand
and
we'll
work
with
staff.
Is
that
there's
going
to
be
some
improvements
on
Clifty?
And
we
spoke
with
the
engineers
about
that.
So
we'll
incorporate
that
and
that
might
change
that
section
of
parking
that
we
have
kind.
J
D
J
D
C
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
investing
in
Madison
all
right.
Our
next
application
is
pcaf-23-2
applicants.
Alexandra
hammock
application
to
amend
final
plat
application
is
requesting
to
create
a
parcel
based
upon
removing
lot
53
from
parcel
and
leaving
Lots
51
and
52
Consolidated
all
Lots
originally
of
the
John
Sheets
Edition
location,
1010,
East,
1st
Street,
zoned,
historic
district
residential.
So
the.
B
A
A
2023-1
the
city
of
Madison
resolution
of
the
city
of
mass
and
plan
Commission,
approving
certain
amendments
to
a
declaratory
resolution
approved
and
adopted
by
the
city
of
Madison,
Redevelopment,
commission
creation
of
Riverfront
allocation
area,
and
we
have
someone
from
the
city
of
Madison
to
speak.
Yeah.
K
Good
evening
Commissioners
Tony
steinart,
the
director
of
Economic
and
Redevelopment
I,
appreciate
your
time
this
evening.
We
have
two
two
requests
tonight.
The
first
one
as
Josh
mentioned,
is
the
deck
event
process
throughout
the
life
of
a
tiff
District
much
like
any
portfolio.
You
need
to
sort
of
go
through
it
from
time
to
time
and
and
assess
that
portfolio.
It's
it's
we've
done
that
and
have
identified
a
number
of
parcels
that
have
a
negative
assessment.
Over
the
years,
I'm
asked
a
number
of
times
how
that
happens.
K
I
am
certainly
not
the
assessor,
but
sometimes
property
falls
into
the
negative
assessment
that
that
ultimately
takes
off
the
increment
that
we
can
capture.
So
we
have
gone
through
this
process
with
our
financial
advisors,
ready
financial
and
are
asking
that
these
Parcels
be
be
reset
to
set
the
new
base
of
the
Redevelopment
commission
stiff
District,
so
that
the
RDC
can
regain
approximately
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
in
revenue
from
that
approval
tonight.
This
also
has
to
go
to
City
Council
as
well.
B
A
K
B
K
What
I
heard
so?
That's
where
I
went
first,
but
we
can
certainly
talk
about
the
other
one
too.
If
you
want.
A
But
what
do
you
think
we
should
do
just
go
with
the
first
or
second
one?
At
this
point,
he's
talked.
H
A
H
And
whereas
the
Redevelopment
commission
is
submitted
to
2023
resolution
to
the
plan
commission
for
its
approval
pursuant
to
Indiana
code.
36,
7
14
16..
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
city
of
Madison
plan
commission
as
follows.
The
2023
resolution
and
the
amendments
to
the
plan
contained
therein
conform
to
the
plan
of
development
for
the
city.
This
plan,
commission
hereby
approves
the
2023
resolution
and
the
amendments
to
the
plan
contained
therein.
H
This
resolution
hereby
constitutes
the
written
order
of
the
plan
commission
approving
the
2023
resolution
and
the
amendments
to
the
plan
contained
their
end
percent
to
Indiana
code
36
7,
14
16..
The
Secretary
of
this
Planning
Commission
is
hereby
directed
to
file
a
copy
of
the
2023
resolution.
With
the
minutes
of
this
meeting.
H
And
whereas
the
Redevelopment
commission
has
submitted
the
resolution
2023-2r
to
the
plan
commission
for
its
approval
pursuant
to
Indiana
code.
36
7
14
16..
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
city
of
Madison
plan
commission
as
follows.
The
2023
resolution
and
the
amendments
to
the
plan
contain
therein
conform
to
the
plan
of
development
for
the
city
to
this
plan.
Commission
is
here
this
plan.
Commission
hereby
approves
the
2023
resolution
in
the
amendments
to
the
plan
contained
therein.
H
A
All
right
hearing
none
take
a
motion
on
both
emotional
motion
on
both
resolutions:
okay,
for
both.