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From YouTube: February 13, 2014 Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
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Minneapolis Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
A
Good
morning
I
will
call
the
february
13
2014
regular
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
city
council,
zoning
and
planning
committee
meeting
to
order
I'm
lisa
bender.
I
chair
this
committee
and
I
am
joined
by
my
colleagues
council
members
reich
goodman,
johnson
and
warsami,
and
we
do
expect
council
member
bob
johnson
to
join
us
today
and
we
have
a
quorum.
A
So
today's
agenda
has
12
items.
The
way
it's
written
is
the
public
hearing
is
listed
first
and
then
the
consent
is
second,
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
consent
agenda.
So
starting
with
item
six
item.
Six
is
a
target
field
station
street
vacation
resolution
and
the
motion
is
to
approve
the
corrected
legal
description
of
the
state
vacation,
which
was
approved
by
the
city
council
on
november
12th,
and
this
is
just
a
clarification
of
the
language
item
number
seven.
A
Is
arts
commission
appointments
to
approve
the
following
two-year
appointments
and
waive
the
residency
requirement
for
david
kang
for
the
minneapolis
arts?
Commission
brenda
bell
brown
from
ward
six
deanna
newman
from
ward
7,
james
barch
from
ward
12,
robert
hunter
from
ward
8.,
david
king
from
ward
5.,
cole,
dorias
from
ward
9,
haley
finn
from
ward
10,
sarah
lopez
from
ward
8
and
to
approve
the
following
one-year
appointment
to
the
minneapolis
arts
commission
from
for
eric
bruce
from
ward
10..
These
are
mix
of
mayoral
and
council
appointments.
A
Item
number
eight
is
to
approve
the
petition
by
pat
fitzgerald
to
resume
the
property
located
at
716
and
718
west
34th
street
from
r2b
to
c1
neighborhood
commercial
district
item
number.
Nine
is
regarding
a
petition
by
james
smart
with
smart
associates
on
behalf
of
paul
dabzner
to
rezone
the
property
at
4000
and
4008
lindell
avenue
south
from
r1a
to
c1.
A
Item
number
11.
is
to
approve
the
petition
by
david
barnhart
to
rezone
the
property
located
at
2827
williams,
avenue
southeast
from
c2
to
r4,
multifamily,
residential
district
and
tp
transitional
parking
overlay
district
to
allow
for
additional
surface
parking
in
a
children's
play
area
serving
the
commercial
and
office
uses
that
are
there.
A
Item
number
12
is
to
approve
a
petition
by
faker
baker,
daniels
on
behalf
of
the
northern
clay
center
to
rezone
the
northern
portion
of
the
property
located
at
2424
franklin
avenue
east
from
r6
to
c2,
to
allow
for
an
educational
arts
center
gallery
and
accessory
parking
and
to
approve
the
vacation
of
a
no
outlet
alley
which
abouts
the
property
located
at
2424
franklin
avenue
east.
Would
anyone
like
to
pull
any
of
the
items
from
the
consent
agenda?
B
A
A
The
second
item
on
our
public
hearing
is
regarding
three
one:
one,
two
third
avenue
south.
It
is
an
appeal
filed
by
david
peale
from
the
heritage,
preservation,
commission's
approval
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
application
to
replace
windows
and
a
door
at
3112
third
avenue
south
in
the
healy
block,
historic
district,
and
I
believe,
we'll
begin
with
staff.
Is
that
correct
thanks.
A
C
C
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
john
smoly
here
to
brief,
you
on
an
appeal
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
application
to
replace
16
windows
and
a
wood
door
at
3112
3rd
avenue
south
in
our
healey
block
historic
district.
The
appellant
is
david
peel
here
today
the
applicant
are
representatives
of
our
city's
health
department
here
as
well.
C
I
should
as
well
we
haven't
received
public
comment,
formal
public
comment
on
the
project,
though
the
neighborhood
group
has
expressed
verbal
support
for
the
hpc's
decision,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
historic,
double
hung,
wood
frame
windows,
the
windows
themselves
are
deteriorated.
C
You
can
see
a
portion
of
one
of
those
wood
windows,
we're
very
pleased
that
the
applicant
has
proposed
a
true,
a
true
division
of
lights,
with
wood
muntins
to
separate
panes
of
glass,
as
appeared
originally
or
historically
on
the
property.
Many
of
those
mountains.
We
do
have
evidence
that
those
have
been
removed.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
restore
that
true
division
of
lights.
C
The
windows
themselves
are
deteriorated
and
they
have
they
are
creating
lead
dust
at
levels
that
astronomically
exceed
safety
thresholds
up
to
180
times
those
thresholds
in
one
instance,
and
this
is
less
than
one
year
after
professional
cleaning
supervised
by
our
health
department
staff.
C
Furthermore,
proportionally
few
replacements,
only
two
will
occur
at
the
front
of
the
property
where
the
applicant
proposes
to
retain
the
large
historic,
fixed
wood
window.
On
the
first
floor,
the
proposal
itself
meets
nearly
all
window
guidelines
required
by
the
healey
block
historic
district
design
guidelines,
including
requirements
to
retain
decorative
windows,
match
original
window
proportions
and
sizes
and
utilize
double
hung.
Wood
replacement
windows.
C
Here's
a
picture
of
those
proposed
aluminum
storm
windows
due
to
the
low
nature
of
some
windows.
As
short
as
eight
inches
from
the
floor.
In
one
second
story
example,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
aluminum
safety
screens
designed
to
support
the
weight
of
a
person
leaning
against
or
falling
into
them.
While
wood
frames
would
meet
the
guidelines,
they
become
the
weakest
link
in
a
feature
specifically
designed
to
support
weight.
C
C
A
D
D
To
investigate
and
order
remediation
when
there
is
a
child
with
lead
poisoning,
we
received
information
from
the
minnesota
department
of
health
that
this
property
did
have
a
child
with
lead.
Poisoning
we
investigated
found
severely
deteriorated,
lead
paint,
surfaces
and
moved
to
order
remediation
of
that
property.
D
D
We
do
have
a
grant
that
works
with
property
owners
to
improve
the
lead
safety
and
what
we
did
is
we
looked
at
and
evaluated
various
options
in
this
property
to
restore
the
wood
windows
would
cost
over
28
thousand
dollars
for
exceeding
our
budgeted
amount
for
a
property
under
our
hud
grant.
Our
grant
average
expenditure
is
ten
thousand
dollars
per
home.
If
we
are
to
exceed
twenty
thousand
dollars,
we
have
to
get
special
dispensation
from
the
u.s
housing
urban
affairs
department.
D
We
often
contract
with
the
minneapolis-based
company,
a
a-craft
windows
and
they
can
make
historically
accurate
replicas
of
wood
windows,
and
that
is
what
we
have
requested
in
this
case.
Those
windows
cost
just
under
ten
thousand
dollars.
Now,
because
we
are
concerned
about
the
safety
of
children
in
the
house
from
falling
out
of
the
second
floor
window.
As
dr
smalley
mentioned,
there
is
one
window
in
the
kitchen,
actually
a
popular
place,
for
children
to
hang
out.
That's
eight
or
nine
wind
inches
off
of
the
floor
and
a
child
during
the
summertime.
D
If
the
windows
open
can
easily
fall
out
from
that
second
story
window,
so
we
want
to
put
safety
screens
in
that
window.
This
would
also
assist
with
the
aesthetic
character
of
the
house.
There
are
currently
aluminum
clad
storm
windows
on
the
house.
These
painted
storms
have
a
darker
color
blend
in
much
more
readily
with
the
house
than
the
aluminum
clad,
and
that
is
for
an
additional
four
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
that
we
are
using.
D
On
behalf
of
the
resident
in
this
property
to
replace
the
windows
with
lead,
safe
windows
and
to
install
safety
storms
to
prevent
any
child
from
from
falling
out
of
the
house,
I
will
add
that
this
was
a
distressed
property
that
was
purchased
and
is
now
homesteaded
by
this
family.
The
purchase
price
for
this
home
a
couple
years
ago
was
50
000,
and
we
want
to
do
everything
that
we
can
to
ensure
the
safety
of
these
children
and
those
children
that
may
be
moving
into
the
home
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
E
And
I'm
chairwoman
committee,
I'm
anders
christensen,
I'm
a
professional
painter
and
painting
contractor
I'm
the
managing
partner
of
tigerox
painting.
We
have
a
minneapolis
building
contract
minnesota
building
contractor's
license.
We
are
registered
with
the
epa
as
a
lead,
safe
contractor,
my
partner
jeremy
and
I
have
both
been
trained
to
do
work
in
a
lead,
safe
manner.
The
federal
lead
law
went
into
effect
in
june
2010.
E
The
law
was
passed
because
the
primary
reason
for
lead
poisoning
in
children
is
remodeling
done
without
lead
safe
practices.
The
primary
reason
for
lead
poisoning
in
children
is
remodeling.
The
law
only
applies
to
contractors.
Homeowners
can
do
whatever
they
like
over
the
last
four
years.
We've
done
hundreds
of
paint
jobs,
both
interior
and
exterior,
involving
lead,
safe
practices.
E
We
have
worked
in
houses
with
small
children
and
pregnant
women.
Our
firm
was
audited
by
the
epa
and
passed
the
audit
without
any
recommendations
for
change
in
our
work.
I'm
a
strong
believer
in
the
federal
lead
law
and
in
lead
safety.
I
have
the
utmost
sympathy
for
these
parents,
whose
child
has
been
diagnosed
with
lead
poisoning.
E
E
However,
I
strongly
disagree
with
the
analysis
of
the
problem
and
the
limited
choices
that
the
city
planner
has
put
forth.
Lead
abatement
is
the
standard
response
by
hud.
It
is
the
removal
of
all
lead
paint.
As
report
notes,
this
is
an
expensive
and
impractical
solution.
It
is
akin
to
the
asbestos
removal
craze
a
generation
ago.
A
best
asbestos
is
now
most
commonly
encapsulated.
E
E
Lead
abatement
does
not
protect
children
better
for
this
family,
it
would
be
very
disruptive
during
the
outdoor
painting
season.
Half
of
my
business
is
reconditioning
and
painting
windows
such
as
those
as
3112
third
avenue
south
the
family
would
not
have
to
move
out
during
the
reconditioning
process.
E
E
Install
glass
where
necessary,
re-rope,
re-glaze,
prep,
prime
caulk
paint
and
wash
inside
and
out
both
upper
and
lower
sash
windows
and
interior
windows
surround
483
dollars
per
window
or
7
728
for
16..
I
checked
with
one
of
my
competitors
bella
casa
painting.
They
had
the
same
estimate
for
hours
but
charged
a
slightly
higher
rate,
five
hundred
and
ten
dollars
a
window
or
eight
thousand
one
hundred
and
sixty
dollars.
E
Bella
casa
employs
a
number
of
spanish
speaking
painters.
I
think
it
would
be
a
kindness
to
the
homeowners
to
have
painters
working
in
their
house
who
speak
their
language.
I
could
find
a
half
a
dozen
painting
contractors
in
south
minneapolis
who
could
do
this
job
employing
painters
who
live
in
the
neighborhood.
E
With
all
the
current
talk
about
racial
equity
and
political
circles,
the
city
of
minneapolis
could
put
its
money
literally
where
everyone's
mouth
seems
to
be
john
cunningham,
tp,
healey's,
great
grandson
and
prominent
minneapolis
architect
purchased
3116
third
avenue
south
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
This
is
the
healey
built
house
next
door
to
the
south
john
reconditioned,
the
original
sash
windows
and
installed
wood
frame
combination,
combination,
windows
manufactured
locally
by
s,
p
windows.
E
E
At
least
all
of
you
are
getting
paid,
and
so
is
john
smoley.
I,
however,
am
donating
my
time
to
do
his
work.
The
cost
of
reconditioning
and
painting
the
existing
windows
and
installing
size
wood
frame
combination
windows
is
fourteen
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars.
This
is
roughly
equivalent
to
the
city
proposed
solution.
E
Lead,
safe
reconditioning
and
painting
of
the
existing
windows
is
a
sustainable
choice.
Nothing
is
going
to
the
landfill.
One
of
our
goals
is
a
waste
free
city
lead
safe
reconditioning
and
painting
of
the
existing
windows
is
the
preferred
choice
for
the
historic
district
lead,
safe
reconditioning
and
painting
of
the
existing
windows
supports
racial
equity
and
neighborhood.
Employment.
E
A
Thank
you
is
there
anyone
else
who
would
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter?
Sure
could
I
ask
speakers
to
please
remember
to
register
with
the
clerk
and
please
state
your
name
and
address,
and
also
could
you
keep
remarks
to
please
three
minutes
and
try
not
to
repeat
what
another
speaker
has
already
said.
I'm
gonna.
F
Talk
a
lot
but
I'll
try,
so
I'm
david
peale,
3127
second
avenue
south
and
I've
lived
there
in
the
healey
district
since
shortly
after
it
became
a
historic
district,
twenty
one
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
I'm
also
the
appellant-
and
I
think
the
situation
here
is
everybody
agrees
that
the
the
lead
needs
to
be
dealt
with.
F
It's
a
question
of
how
it
gets
dealt
with
the
city
agency
that
deals
with
that
and
their
staff
person
jennifer
cheated
tried
to
comply
the
best
they
could
and
they
did
not
get
any
direction
from
john
smoley
from
what
I
understand
he
just
rubber
stamped,
what
they
requested,
and
so
we've
had
to
do
some
of
the
leg
work
on
making
sure
that
happens.
Anders
mentioned
a
couple
of
bids
that
can
can
make
it
happen
within
the
guidelines,
because
that
is
the
key
objective
here
is
to
comply
with
the
guidelines.
F
The
the
new
windows
that
jennifer
proposed
do
comply.
We
are
interested
in
wood,
storm
windows,
not
metal,
which
are
expressly
forbidden
in
the
guidelines
that
have
been
there
for
over
20
years
and
also
the
removal
of
the
back
door.
Now,
normally
a
neighborhood
group,
in
my
opinion,
my
history
in
the
neighborhood
and
not
up
till
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
there's
an
issue
like
that,
they
would
flyer
the
block
and
get
people
involved
and
get
some
consensus
on
how
to
agree
how
to
move
forward
with
it.
And
that
has
not
happened
this
time.
F
So
I've
been
looking
for
resources
to
help
make
this
happen
so
that
it
happens
within
the
guidelines,
since
the
neighborhood
group
hasn't
they've
just
chosen
to
be
divisive
apparently-
and
I
I
have
found
that
the
healey
project
has
volunteered
to
renovate
the
back
door
so
that
it
at
no
cost
to
the
family
so
that
that
can
be
retained.
It
is
not
beyond
repair.
F
It
needs
some
repair
after
120
years,
but
it's
in
in
decent
enough
shape
to
be
renovated,
and
I
have
another
bid
for
on
the
windows
and
the
storm
windows
that
is
under
the
20
000
range.
So
apparently,
there
wasn't
enough
homework
being
done
at
the
city
level,
and
this
isn't
the
first
house
that,
on
our
block
that
has
had
to
deal
with
lead-
and
it's
not
the
first
one-
that's
had
to
deal
with
it
with
public
resources.
F
Sylvia
bader
had
the
same
issue
at
3137,
probably
just
about
10
years
ago,
and
everything
all
the
work
that
they
did
complied
with.
The
guidelines.
That's
the
key
here,
is
that
we
want
it
to
comply
with
the
guidelines,
and
I
I
kind
of
have
to
ask
myself:
what's
the
difference
between
sylvia's
project
complying
and
suddenly
now
with
a
family
that
you
know,
doesn't
speak
english
very
well
that
the
proposal
by
city
staff
doesn't
comply.
I
don't
think
that's
fair
to
them.
F
It's
not
fair
to
the
block,
it's
not
fair
to
them,
and
the
rest
of
us,
including
myself,
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
money
complying
with
the
guidelines.
Each
deviation
from
the
guidelines
weakens
them
and
if
there
should
be
a
revision
of
them
at
some
point,
that
applies
to
everybody.
That's
one
thing,
but
these
one-off
exceptions
are
very
detrimental
to
the
historic
district.
F
That's
struggling
to
stay
a
historic
district
with
the
freeway
and
all
that
and
the
other
argument
I
hear
sometimes
from
the
people
who
think
metal
storms
are
just
fine
in
a
historic
district.
Is
that
well
that
house
isn't
even
a
heli
and
it's
in
the
healey
district.
It
happens
to
be
built
by
ingham,
who
is
a
contemporary
of
healy
and
within
the
city
just
just
about
as
prolific
as
as
healey
and
shelby
bush
has
put
together
a
lot
of
history.
She's.
A
former
hbc
commissioner,
put
a
lot
of
history
together
on
the
legacy
of
ingham.
F
So
to
try
to
downplay
it
by
the
builder
is
is
silly
because
it
is
historic.
It's
been
declared
historic
since
the
80s
late
80s
and
to
try
to
question
it
on
those
grounds.
I
think,
are
a
little
bit
crazy.
A
Mr
peale,
it's
been
about
four
minutes,
so
I
just
want
to
ask
you
a
quick,
wrap-up
and
and
thank.
F
You
for
your
time,
so
what
what
I
think
needs
to
happen
here
is
we've
proven
that
wood
storm
windows
can
be
done
as
cost
effectively
as
metal
storm
windows.
We've
found
a
resource
to
pay
for
the
rear
door
being
renovated
that
won't
cost
the
city
or
or
the
the
homeowner
any
money
and
the
proposed
new
windows
comply.
It
would
be
better
to
renovate
the
old
ones
since
it
can
be
done
at
the
same
price,
but
either
of
those
solutions
achieve
what
we're.
After.
F
G
Madam
chair
committee,
my
name
is
jim.
Graham
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
national
association
for
child
window
safety
after
a
child
had
come
out
of
a
window
in
minneapolis.
I
had
held
that
child
the
day
before
I
started
work
to
change
the
law.
That
law
called
the
layla
law
now
as
being
either
has
been
adopted
or
is
being
considered
by
30
states.
In
addition
to
minnesota
the
real
key
issue
there
is
that
you
must
have
some
protection
for
children.
There's
a
window
there
that,
by
the
way,
24
inches
isn't
even
safe
for
a
child.
G
G
The
historic
nature
and
heritage
preservation
is
that
that
is
a
family
house.
Well,
that's
a
death
trap
now
waiting
for
a
child
to
go
out
of.
Maybe
one
hasn't
yet,
but
it
is
and
the
idea
that
the
window
screens
well
you
put
in
the
wood
screens
and
they
will
work-
is
a
fallacy.
That
is
not
really
true.
The
reason
that
you
need
the
actual
child
safety
screen
on
a
certified
one
is
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
prevent
a
child
that's
up
to
five
years
old
from
going
out
of
that
window.
G
As
far
as
the
looks
right
now,
it
has
aluminum
the
old
50s
type
of
aluminum
on
it.
I
went
by
it
yesterday
to
look
at
it
by
the
way
coming
from
iowa,
where
I
was
lobbying
for
them
to
adopt
the
same
law
and
it's
they
could
put
in
actual
child
safety
screens
into
those
old
aluminum
windows,
but
it
wouldn't
be
historic.
G
The
child
safety
screens
have
put
it
and
security
screens
have
been
put
into
historic
houses
across
the
country
they're,
even
in
the
governor's
mansion
in
wisconsin.
To
preserve
that
the
new
windows
that
would
be
going
in
would
certainly
look
much
more
historic.
G
The
appearance
would
than
what
is
there
now
that
they
could
get
away
with
leaving
by
the
way,
but
I
don't
think
that
would
be
advantageous
for
the
children.
I
think
that
minneapolis,
when
the
leila
went
out
of
her
window
and
the
law
was
changed,
minneapolis
adopted
a
resolution
and
made
it
layla's
day
and
here's
what
was
said.
We
measure
the
quality
of
our
community
by
the
way
we
provide
for
our
children,
our
elders
and
our
handicapped.
G
It
should
be
the
intent
of
minneapolis
to
build
community
by
laying
foundations
on
such
principles
and
to
organize
its
structure
to
guarantee
the
safety
and
happiness
of
our
most
vulnerable.
It
would
be
an
atrocious
thing
not
to
allow
those
children
to
be
safe
in
that
house,
and
so
I
ask
you
to
not
support
a
travesty
of
saying.
Well,
it
must
be
this.
I
ask
you
to
actually
consider
what
the
heritage
of
the
house
is,
which
is
a
family
house
and
to
protect
children
as
much
as
possible.
Thank
you.
H
I
I've
lived
on
a
hili
block
for
four
years
now,
and
I've
been
intimate
with
the
family
since
they
have
moved
in,
and
I've
been
trying
to
work
with
them
to
actually
get
this
danger
of
lead
out
of
their
house
and
what
that
city
has
done
and
proposed
well
at
least
heritage
preservation
committee
is
adequate.
H
It's
adequate.
My
house
is
historic
as
well,
and
if
I
wanted
to
replace
my
windows,
I
could
choose
to
do
so
with
replica
or
identical
windows.
It
is
not
required
to
retain
my
windows.
The
safety
of
the
children
are
imperative,
so
metal
screens.
I
think
those
those
deviation
from
the
from
from
the
heli
blog
guidelines
is
acceptable
in
this.
In
this
case,
and
as
far
as
the
back
door,
there's
no
evidence
proving
that
the
door
is
historic
or
not
historic.
Therefore,
replacement
of
that
door
would
be
suitable
as
well.
H
F
A
A
A
Thank
you.
The
motion
passes.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
will
now
move
on
to
items
three
four
and
five
in
our
public
hearing.
These
are
each
separate
properties,
but
they
are
related
and
so
I'll
just
explain
the
situation
and
then
open
it
up
for
staff.
So
the
item
number
three
is
1319
4th
street
southeast
item
number
4
is
1315
4th
street
southeast
item
number
5
is
410
13th
avenue
southeast.
A
These
are
all
appeals
filed
by
dorn
development
llc
for
the
decision
of
the
heritage
preservation.
Commission,
notwithstanding
notwithstanding
staff
recommendation
to
deny
the
demolition
of
historic
resource
applications
for
each
of
these
separate
three
properties,
and
for
this
we'll
begin
with
staff
from
cped.
I
Good
morning,
cher
bender
committee
members:
all
these
properties
are
located
in
dinky
town.
The
two
fourth
street
properties
are
located
here
and
then
the
410
13th
avenue
southeast
property
is
located
here
and
they
are
separated
and
just
for
reference.
The
1319
building
is
this
one
story:
brick
building
located
at
1315
4th
street
is
the
two-story
mid-century,
modern
commercial
building,
and
then
the
property
facing
13th
avenue
is
a
residential
structure.
I
The
applicant
dorn
companies
is
proposing
to
demolish
the
buildings
to
make
way
for
a
mixed-use
hotel
development
which
would
be
located
on
those
properties
renting
4th
street.
I
The
property
that
runs
13th
avenue
is
also
proposed
to
be
demolished,
as
a
part
of
this
shown
here
on
the
site
plan
would
be
making
way
for
a
parking
area,
but
the
overall
idea
is
that
an
access
easement
would
be
obtained
here,
providing
access
to
the
fourth
street
properties
and
here's
just
the
latest
rendering
of
the
proposal.
I
So
on
in
january,
that
hpc
had
denied
each
of
the
demolitions
applications
submitted
by
the
applicant.
So
just
for
the
presentation,
I
will
be
just
to
give
an
idea
I'll
go,
go
through
the
background
for
dinky
town
and
then
look
at
each
of
the
individual
properties,
so
starting
with
dinky
town.
This
has
been
identified
as
a
potential
historic
district.
I
All
three
of
the
properties
were
identified
as
contributing
structures
to
this
potential
district,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
all
all
three
of
them
were
thought
to
meet
at
least
one
of
the
designation
criteria,
so
dinky
town
is
a
commercial
district
that
has
developed
them
from
commerce,
culture
and
communities.
I
Since
the
late
1800s,
because
of
its
proximity
to
downtown
and
the
university
of
minnesota
in
2011,
a
survey
was
done
that
first
identified
dinktown
as
a
potential
historic
resource,
there's
also
a
small
area
planning
process
underway
for
dinky
town
and
heritage
preservation
is
one
focus
of
that
plan.
The
draft
plan
identifies
the
period
of
significance
for
dink
town
as
from
1899
to
1971
for
the
history
of
dinky
town.
It
was
well
connected
by
the
streetcar
which
contributed
to
its
early
success,
resulting
in
it
being
known
as
the
second
downtown
minneapolis.
I
I
Dinky
town
has
also
had
a
reputation
of
being
a
bohemian
place,
particularly
from
the
late
1950s
through
the
70s.
It
was
also
location
for
protests
and
marches.
During
this
time,
the
node
was
constructed
in
three
distinct
phases
that
were
identified
in
the
plan.
The
first
phase
would
was
centered
on
the
intersection
of
4th
street
and
14th
center
of
the
diagram
there,
and
that
phase
occurred
from
1900
to
the
1920s.
I
It's
attributed
to
the
streetcar,
primarily
the
building
that
was
located
or
is
located
at
13194
street
was
constructed
during
this
time.
The
second
phase
included
buildings
constructed
in
the
late
1940s
to
1955,
and
that
was
primarily
along
the
north
side
of
4th
street
so
here
and
the
1315
4th
street
building,
actually
the
first
part
of
that
was
constructed
at
that
time.
I
I
and
just
generally,
the
buildings
within
the
district
have
undergone
some
alterations,
but
for
the
most
part
it
has,
this
potential
district
has
remained
or
retained
its
integrity.
I
So
the
the
dinky
town
itself
has
been
identified
as
a
candidate
for
local
designation
under
criterion
1
for
its
association,
with
significant
events
or
periods
and
under
criterion
3
for
containing
distinctive
elements
of
the
city's
identity.
The
2011
study
or
survey
that
I
mentioned.
I
I
When
the
the
hvc,
what
we're
discussing
these
three
properties,
the
impacts
of
demolishing
each
of
these
properties
that
are
considered
contributing,
was
a
large
part
of
their
discussion.
I
I
And
they
did
talk
about
that.
Overall,
this
district
has
retained
its
integrity,
it's
easily
recognizable
as
a
district
and
with
a
large
number
of
contributing
properties.
I
They
also
had
concerns
about
these
having
buildings
within
the
district
that
aren't
often
individually
eligible
for
designation,
but
do
contribute
to
the
district,
so
they
were
looking
at
how
three
demolishing
three
properties
here
would
impact
it,
and
some
numbers
for
you
to
consider
73
of
these
properties
have
been
identified
as
contributing,
so
if
three
were
to
be
demolished,
that
would
be
about
14
of
the
contributing
structures
or
10
of
the
total
structures.
I
I
They
also
had
placed
the
district
under
interim
protection
and
then
directed
the
planning
director
to
prepare
a
designation
study
now
that
these,
since
these
came
in
before
the
nomination
occurred,
the
demolitions
aren't
captured
under
that.
But
any
new
development
would
have
to
be
reviewed
by
the
hbc.
I
I
Moving
on
to
the
property
of
1319
fourth
street,
this
one
had
been
kind
of
identified
also
as
embodying
distinctive
characteristics
of
an
architectural
style.
So
it
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
considered.
It's
a
one-story
commercial
building,
it's
constructed
with
four
tenant
spaces.
I
I
So
here
you
can
kind
of
see
a
close-up
of
one
of
those
tenant
spaces
and
each
of
those
features
the
signed
band
start
for
windows
and
the
brick
detailing
this
building
was
built
by
cp,
johnson
and
designed
by
nordstrom
and
landquist.
There
were
no
records
found
for
them.
That
indicated
any
significance.
I
The
original
owner
and
of
the
building
was
john
dignan.
Newspaper
accounts
indicated
that
he
was
politically
active
locally,
that
he
ran
for
more
than
one
political
seat,
but
was
not
elected.
He
also
owned
a
real
estate
business
located
at
the
property
of
517,
15th
avenue
southeast,
so
about
a
block
block
and
a
half
from
here.
I
However,
this
property
doesn't
seem
to
be
too
significant
for
its
association
with
him,
the
integrity
for
the
integrity
of
the
structure,
and
there
have
been
some
alterations
to
the
building.
However,
it
does
retain
its
integrity.
I
Most
of
the
original
imperial
original
exterior
materials
appear
to
remain.
Brick
is
the
primary
material
here
there
are
some
windows
and
doors
that
have
been
changed
out.
Do
notice,
like
the
door
here
is
not
original
more
so
on
the
rear
of
the
property.
You'll
note
that
doors
and
windows
have
been
filled
in
or
changed
out.
I
I
Looking
at
the
condition,
the
property
is
stated
that
the
structure
is
in
need
of
significant
repair
and
that
extensive
deferred
maintenance
and
current
this
current
state
of
it.
The
structure
has
created
safety
hazards,
so
they
noted
some
of
the
repairs
and
deficiencies
cracked
and
are
missing
brick
and
mortar
there's
a
picture
of
one
area
of
the
building
showing
that
the
building
is
an
ada
compliant,
there's
outdated,
mechanical
and
electrical
systems
crumbling
asphalt
with
large
potholes
in
the
parking
lot.
I
For
the
structure
itself,
the
applicant
did
not
submit
a
structural
condition
assessment.
Some
of
the
contributions
noted
aren't
too
uncommon
for
buildings
of
this
age
and
construction
type.
So
just
for
reference
on
the
value
of
what
we
could
find
is
that
hennepin
county.
I
noted
that
the
building
is
just
over
a
quarter
of
a
million,
and
the
land
value
is
over
half
a
million,
so
we
did
recognize
that
there
are
repairs
needed,
but
demolition
might
not
be
the
only
option
here.
I
One
other
thing
that
the
applicant
did
note
that
this
building
isn't
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
site,
because
it
does
take
up
only
a
small
portion
of
it
and
they
also
can't
build
on
top
of
it
to
incorporate
it
into
the
development,
but
ultimately
for
the
staff
recommendation.
When
we
were
looking
at
this
individual
property,
we
didn't
find
it
to
be
significant
under
our
local
criteria
and
did
recommend
approval
of
the
demolition.
I
So
the
next
one
would
be
the
one
located
at
1315
4th
street
there's
some
associations
with
this
to
master
architect,
and
it
does
have
distinctive
characteristics
of
an
architectural
style.
It's
a
two-story
commercial
building.
It
was
originally
constructed
as
a
one-story
office
building
and
later
a
second
edition
was
added
in
1961..
I
The
second
story
is,
you
know,
is
wider
than
the
first
story.
There's
this
driveway
that
goes
underneath
and
that's
to
retain
access
to
the
rear
of
the
property,
which
has
a
parking
area
it
doesn't
have,
as
it
doesn't
have
access
to
a
public
alley.
The
original
owner
of
the
building
was
cb
christensen,
which
is
a
real
estate
company
and
they
did
occupy
office
space
in
this
building.
I
Another
use
that
had
a
long-term
residency
in
here
was
a
bank
branch
marquette
bank,
but
now
those
users
are
gone
and
we
have
other
commercial
uses
in
the
building
for
the
architectural
style.
This
building
is
a
form
of
mid-century
modern
commercial
architecture.
I
For
example,
there
are
other
buildings
around
the
country
that
have
drive-through
windows
that
were
in
use
since
the
1930s
and
as
this
was
first
constructed
in
1955,
it's
quite
a
bit
of
time
later,
so
we
found
that
the
property
doesn't
embody
any
distinctive
characteristics
of
an
engineering,
type
of
style
or
method
of
construction
as
well.
I
The
the
original
one-story
office
building
was
constructed
in
1955
and
designed
by
mclaren
kerr,
and
the
second
story
that
was
added
six
years
later
was
designed
by
kurt
johnson.
These
architects
were
notable
minnesota
architects,
but
this
property
doesn't
exemplify
their
work.
Just
some
background
on
the
architects.
Finker
was
involved
in
the
design
of
both
construction
phases
of
this
project.
I
I
The
cure
johnson
partnership
with
that
was
a
partnership
with
harley
johnson
was
the
architect
of
record
for
the
second
edition
and
that
partnership
ended
in
1962.,
so
the
for
kerr.
This
building
was
not
a
building
that
exemplified
his
work.
There's
a
better
example
in
saint
paul.
He
designed
the
grace
lutheran
church
over
there
same
thing
with
harlan,
mcclure
and
harley
johnson's
work.
These
this
one
just
doesn't
exemplify
their
work.
I
We
also
didn't
find
any
evidence
of
there
being
any
significant
events
or
periods
that
were
associated
with
this
specific
property.
I
I
The
university
of
minnesota
northwest
architectural
I-cars
hat
archives
has
frank,
hair
drawings
for
this
property,
so
I
was
able
to
look
at
what
those
drawings
showed
and
what's
currently
on
the
site.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
any
pictures
that
would
confirm
what
was
shown
in
the
drawings
actually
built
on
the
site,
but
I'll
just
run
through
some
of
the
differences
that
were
noted.
I
I
This
area,
at
the
front
of
the
building,
where
the
atm
is
now
located,
was
open
for
the
driveway,
so
there
was
an
infill
addition
there
at
one
time,
there's
windows
and
doors
here
that
have
changed
facing
the
driveway.
I
They're
also
on
the
back
of
the
building,
this
stairway
used
to
be
open
to
the
elements.
Now
it's
been
covered
and
enclosed,
along
with
a
number
of
windows
which
used
to
be
a
storefront
windows
system
here
has
all
been
covered
and
windows
have
also
been
covered
over
the
driveway
segment
of
the
second
floor
of
the
building.
I
So
those
are
the
main
differences
noted.
So
we
did.
I
think
that
was
a
significant
impact
on
integrity.
Looking
at
the
condition,
however,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
in
too
poor
of
condition.
I
The
again
the
applicant
stated
that
this
isn't
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
site
again
incorporating
it
into
the
development,
wouldn't
be
feasible.
Just
looking
at
the
property
value
based
on
hennepin
county
records,
the
building
has
a
value
of
80
000
dollars
and
a
land
value
of
over
half
a
million.
I
The
applicant
did
ident
identify
some
costs
that
would
need
to
be
incurred
in
reusing
the
building
which,
including
adding
a
storm
water
management
system,
grading
the
site
for
proper
drainage
and
making
the
building
fully
accessible.
Again.
With
this
one,
we
for
the
staff
reckon
recommendation,
we
did
conclude
that
it
wasn't
eligible
under
the
local
criteria
and
recommended
approval
the
hpc
on
this
one
again
denied
it
based
largely
on
the
impact
of
the
district,
but
they
did
also
note.
I
This
one
was
mainly
just
included
because
it
was
a
potential
identified
as
a
contributing
structure
in
the
potential
district.
This
structure
was
constructed
in
1887
by
c.e
rogers.
It's
one
of
the
oldest
remaining
structures
in
dinky
town,
the
architect
designer
is
unknown,
and
there
are
no
records
found
for
the
building
builder
significating
significance.
I
I
This
porch
is
not
original,
it
was
replaced
in
1883
and
it's
a
third
the
size
of
the
original
porch
and
also
you
can
see
here,
there's
an
accessible
ramp
that
was
added
also
not
original,
so
there
have
been
alterations
for
the
most
part.
It
does
retain
its
integrity.
The
condition
of
it
does
need
repairs.
The
applicant
has
noted
some
of
the
issues,
including.
I
Also,
the
exterior
needs
to
be
painted,
and
so
just
some
maintenance
work
on
the
exterior
for
this
one,
a
structural
condition
assessment
also
was
not
submitted.
We
didn't
find
that
these
repairs
that
were
needed
were
all
that
uncommon.
With
a
home
of
this
age,
either.
J
I
Well
again,
for
the
economic
value,
we
looked
at
hennepin
county
records
and
that
showed
that
the
land
value
was
120
000.
The
building
value
was
12
000,
so
the
applicant
did
contend
that
the
cost
of
repairs
would
far
exceed
the
value
of
the
building.
I
But
basically,
what
it
came
down
again
for
the
staff
recommendation
was
that
this
didn't
meet
the
the
criteria
for
local
designation
as
an
individual
property,
and
so
we
did
recommend
approval.
I
But,
as
I
mentioned,
the
hpc
was
looking
at
the
effect
of
the
potential
district.
So
they
also
point
out.
They
did
have
talk
about
how
this
as
a
residential
structure,
would
relate
to
a
commercial
district
and
its
importance
for
that.
I
A
Thank
you
just
because
there
are
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
here
with
different
applications
and
studies.
A
The
hpc's
nomination
of
the
district,
as
well
as
these
three
individual
permits,
so
how
those
all
fit
together
and
how
particularly
the
district
nomination
plays
into
this
decision
here
today.
K
Sure,
chair
bender,
the
city's
hpc
regulations,
allow
a
property
or
district
to
be
nominated
for
study
at
any
point
whatsoever.
K
There's
various
entities
in
the
ordinance
that
are
allowed
to
to
do
a
nomination,
so
this
particular
district
nomination
could
have
occurred
at
any
point
in
the
past
six
months
ago,
one
year
ago,
five
years
ago,
10
years
ago,
for
whatever
reason
it
did
not
occur
until
february
4th
of
this
year
and
the
the
applicant's
demolition
applications
preceded
the
effective
date
for
that
nomination.
The
effective
date
for
interim
protection
associated
with
that
nomination,
and
so
they
are
not
captured
by
the
district
nomination.
K
So
your
task
today
and
should
note
that
the
way
that
the
timing
of
those
applications
is
key
is
because
interim
protection
imposed
in
conjunction
with
a
historic
designation
study
is
roughly
equivalent
to
the
way
a
moratorium
is
imposed
to
protect
a
zoning
study
or
planning
study
and
the
timing
of
applications
that
the
way
we
handle
those
applications
with
the
moratorium
is
exactly
the
same
way.
If
an
application
precedes
the
effective
date
of
a
moratorium,
then
it
is
not
captured
by
that
moratorium.
K
Now
there
are
ways
to
get
a
waiver
from
the
moratorium
just
as
here
when
something
is
under
interim
protection.
It
doesn't
freeze
everything.
Somebody
can
still
ask
to
do
something
to
the
property
you
just
have
to
submit
a
certain
type
of
application
receive
permission
from
the
hpc
to
do
so.
So
your
task
today
is
to
evaluate
these
three
individual
demolition
applications
according
to
the
standard
in
599.480
with
regard
to
historic
resources,
and
just
to
give
you
a
quick
background
on
that.
K
That
definition
is
property
that
is
believed
to
have
historical,
cultural,
architectural,
archaeological
or
engineering
significance,
and
to
meet
at
least
one
of
the
criteria
for
designation
as
a
landmark
or
historic
district,
as
provided
in
this
chapter
you're,
not
making
the
final
call
on
the
historic
merit
of
these
properties.
Now
this
is
an
initial
phase.
The
final
call
on
the
historic
merit
of
our
property
is
not
made
until
after
a
study
is
conducted
sometime
down
the
road.
That
decision
will
come
to
you,
regardless
of
your
decision
today,
on
these
applications.
The
district
study
will
continue.
K
That's
going
to
go
on,
that's
going
to
happen,
no
matter
what
also
the
new
construction
promote
the
hotel
proposal
here.
As
everybody
knows,
the
the
developer
has
yet
to
submit
the
applications
for
that.
The
zoning
applications
for
that
project,
and
so
there's
several
more
steps
of
review.
Yet
to
come.
The
zoning
applications
will
go
to
the
planning
commission
for
decisions.
At
this
point
it
looks
like
it
involves
a
rezoning,
a
couple:
variances
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
height.
K
The
rezoning
is
going
to
come
to
the
council,
no
matter
what
that's
a
legislative
decision.
Ultimately,
if
any
of
the
other
associated
applications
are
appealed
from
the
planning
commission,
those
will
also
come
to
the
council,
and
then
the
new
construction
proposal
also
will
have
to
undergo
review
by
the
hpc,
because
that
application
is
captured
by
the
district
nomination.
K
So
there
are,
I
should
know
there
are
several
steps
yet
to
come.
The
debate
today
isn't
on
the
merits
of
a
hotel
proposal
per
se.
It's
on
the
merits
of
these
three
individual
properties,
and
so,
if
you
determine
that
the
prop
the
the
properties
are
not
historic
resources,
the
code
dictates
that
the
demolition
is
yeah.
You
have
to
approve
the
demolition.
K
If
you
determine
that
they
are
historic
resources,
you
can
order
the
designation
study
and
uphold
the
or
the
inner
protection
for
the
individual
properties.
K
On
that
basis,
however,
even
if
you
determine
that
they
are
historic
resources,
the
code
does
allow
you
to
still
approve
a
demolition
if
the
applicant,
who
bears
the
burden
of
proof
on
this
on
these
issues,
if
the
applicant
proves
to
you
with
sufficient
evidence
the
the
existence
of
an
unsafe
or
dangerous
condition
on
the
property,
or
that
there
are
no
reasonable
alternatives
to
demolition,
it's
a
high
bar
in
that
regard.
So
your
first
task
is
to
make
the
decision
on
whether
these
are
historic
resources
or
not.
B
You,
madam
chair,
I
was
curious
from
staff
in
particular
to
the
property
13
19
4th
street
southeast.
I
A
A
I
want
to
try
to
keep
the
conversation
today
focused
on
the
question
at
hand
as
described
by
our
city
attorney's
office,
which
is
the
demolition
of
these
buildings
and
not
the
proposal
for
development,
which
will
come
back
through
our
process
and
significant
process
if
it
does
go
forward,
so
there
will
be
ample
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
merits
and
questions
about
any
proposal
for
development
on
this
site.
So
today's
hearing
is
really
to
talk
about
the
historic
preservation
qualities
of
these
three
individual
buildings.
L
Now
this
all
three
of
these
properties
were
researched
extensively
by
staff
and
staff,
got
it
right
in
their
recommendation
that
the
demolition
permits
be
approved.
There's
absolutely
no
facts
that
indicate
that
any
of
these
properties
have
any
particular
significance:
they're,
not
historic
resources.
Under
the
code
at
the
hpc
hearing,
the
commissioners
really
focused
more
on
dinkytown
as
a
whole,
and
they
asked
the
question:
what
should
the
future
of
dinkytown
be?
L
I
think
what
everyone
agrees
on
is
that
dinky
town
is
unique
and
that
there's
an
energy
worth
preserving
and
what
the
disagreement
is
is
how
you
go
about
achieving
that
dinky
town,
as
we
see
it,
is
in
a
deteriorating
state.
This
project
takes
a
property
that
currently
is
75
surface
parking
lot
and
redevelops
it
and
returns
a
use
to
dinkytown
a
hotel
that
existed
across
the
street
for
more
than
50
years.
This
is
an
activity
center.
L
Ms
woodmeyer
addressed
each
of
the
properties
in
detail,
so
I
won't
reiterate
what
she
said,
but
I
think
the
points
that
she
made
are
clear.
Each
one
of
these
properties
was
built
at
a
time
to
serve
a
specific
function
and
each
of
the
buildings
have
served
their
purpose.
There
were
no
significant
events,
people
or
any
other
facts
that
would
justify
denying
the
demolition
applications
for
these
properties.
L
There
are
multiple
other
bases
for
overturning
the
hpc's
decision
and
we
went
into
detail
on
all
of
those
in
our
written
submissions.
I
want
to
just
highlight
a
couple
points
for
you
today,
the
term
historic
resource,
both
the
definition
in
the
code
and
its
application
by
the
hpc
or
unconstitutional.
In
this
case,
it's
a
vague
definition.
L
It's
based
on
subjective
criteria
and,
as
the
record
of
the
hpc
hearing
indicates,
the
commissioners
did
just
that
they
used
their
subjective
beliefs
to
make
a
determination
about
whether
or
not
our
demolition
applications
should
be
approved
or
denied,
without
relying
on
objective
criteria
contained
in
the
code.
Second,
the
process
for
determining
who
needs
to
go
before
the
hbc
in
the
in
the
first
place
is
flawed.
As
we
indicated
in
our
submissions,
there
was
a
report
submitted
to
the
city
council
last
year
that
just
gives
a
snapshot
of
properties
that
were
approved
administratively
for
demolition.
L
L
That's
the
subject
of
your
determination
today
that
were
administratively
approved,
and
so
there
really
isn't
any
reason
for
our
applications
to
be
treated
any
differently
and,
lastly,
establishing
interim
protection
is
not
permitted
under
the
code
until
there's
been
a
nomination
and
as
you
heard,
there
was
no
nomination
at
the
time
that
we
submitted
these
applications
so
that
determination
by
the
hpc
is
incorrect.
There
should
be
no
interim
protection
established
for
these
properties.
L
At
this
point
now.
The
last
point
that
I
want
to
make
is,
I
think,
there's
a
there.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
emotion
associated
with
this
project
with
our
applications,
but
I
think
what
might
be
getting
missed
in
this
discussion
is
that,
while
there
is
vocal
opposition
to
this
project,
there's
also
broad
support.
L
We
reached
out
to
all
27
property
owners
in
the
four
square
block
area
on
4th
and
14th,
and
ask
them
to
sign
a
resolution
supporting
this
project
and
of
those
27
property
owners.
We
have
19
people
who
have
signed
that
petition
and
eight
who
have
either
declined
to
take
a
position
or
have
not
responded,
and
we
have
that
petition
here
for
you
today.
L
So
we
think
that
this
project
will
be
a
significant
resource
for
the
university
of
minnesota
and
the
community.
The
project,
as
you
know,
will
contain
a
commercial
space.
There
are
existing
commercial
tenants
in
the
buildings
that
exist
at
the
properties.
Today
we
have
an
obligation
to
honor
those
leases
and
we
will
continue
to
work
with
those
tenants,
but
we
think
overall,
this
is
a
positive
for
the
area.
We
think
the
hpc
was
absolutely
wrong
in
their
denial
of
our
demolition
applications.
L
M
M
Chair
bender
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
cordelia
pearson
and
president
of
arsenal's
neighbor
association.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
comment.
The
theme
I'd
like
to
respond
to.
If
there's
one
single
thing,
it's
growing
with
preservation,
we
want
our
city
to
grow.
We
want
it
to
grow,
100
000
people
in
the
next
few
years.
We
are
prepared
to
do
that.
While
we
protect
the
quality
of
the
places
that
we
have
the
quality
of
the
places
that
attract
that
growth.
M
Briefly,
marcy
holmes's
identity
is
critically
tied
into
the
identity
of
dinky
town.
That
is
one
of
the
findings
before
you
is
dinky
town,
or
are
these
properties
associated
with
something
that
is
key
to
the
identity
of
the
neighborhood?
So
I
want
to
start
with
that.
The
reason
I'm
providing
a
powerpoint
is
that
photos
and
visuals
tell
a
lot
of
the
story
here.
Instead
of
just
words,
our
neighborhood
is
right
between
the
two
stadiums:
it's
on
the
mississippi
river
between
downtown
and
the
miss
and
the
university
we
are
our
brand.
M
Our
on
our
signs
is
historic.
Neighborhood
we
are
the
commercial
dinkytown.
Is
the
commercial
node
closest
to
the
university
historic
area,
so
the
knoll,
when
you
think
of
where
the
university
began?
This
is
a
commercial
area
that
was
closest
to
the
start
of
the
university,
we're
very
friendly
for
biking
and
walking.
You
look
at
pet
and
bike
figures
and
we're
off
the
charts
and
we'd
like
to
make
that
safer
for
people
on
transit,
though
we're
not
on
the
grid.
M
We
have
some
real
challenges
with
cars
crossing
sidewalks
in
this
area
and
we
need
to
address
pedestrian
safety,
and
that
is
certainly
one
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
in
this
area.
We've
welcomed
growth.
In
the
past
three
years
alone,
we've
had
2300
approved
units.
Eight
three
830
have
been
built,
18
1844
have
been
proposed,
that's
huge
growth,
so
we
are
embracing
growth,
you'll
see
the
chart
on
the
side,
and
I
apologize
that
these
are
difficult
to
read.
M
They're
in
our
master
plan,
update
draft
so
I'll
address
the
next
two
things
together:
the
property
significance,
the
district
character
and
the
designation
study
the
property
significance.
Each
of
these
supports
thriving
small
businesses
has
for
years,
they're
pedestrian
friendly
the
materials.
The
broken
concrete
are
consistent
with
the
area.
The
historic
use
is
consistent
with
the
use
today,
and
they
are
adjacent
to
the
site
where
the
dinkytown
post
office
is
today.
M
That
was
the
site
of
the
red
barn
protest
and
it
really
symbolized
a
community
rising
up
to
say
we
want
to
have
a
say
and
how
our
community
is
shaped
in
the
future.
It's
a
very
strong
symbol
of
dinky
town
of
community
engagement
and
of
how
community
members
can
make
a
difference
in
shaping
the
future
of
their
community.
M
Here
are
some
examples
of
the
brick
facing
it.
I
particularly
draw
your
attention
to
the
dinky
dale
project
right
across
the
street
from
the
subject
properties.
The
subject
properties
are
on
the
bottom,
and
that
is
what
it
faces.
The
varsity
theater
and
the
dinky
dale
are
the
buildings
that
are
immediately
helping
shape
that
streetscape
of
these
projects
21
contributing
buildings.
These
are
three
of
them
and
they
are
unusually
intact
and
have,
as
you've
heard
from
staff
earlier,
the
I
think
you
probably
can
see
where
those
buildings
are
located
right
now.
M
I
want
to
address
briefly
the
appellant's
points
about
the
standard
of
review.
The
center
of
review,
the
the
heritage
preservation
commission
is,
did
they
act
arbitrarily
and
capriciously
you
that's
a
very
high
standard
for
the
appellant
to
meet
the
standard
of
finding
that
these
are
historic,
is
something
the
hpc
and
that
has
gone
all
the
way
up
to
the
supreme
court
of
minnesota
in
terms
of
upholding
the
hpc's
authority
and
process.
M
The
fact
that
these
buildings
by
themselves
might
not
stand
out
as
the
particular
iconic
structure
in
dinky
town
is
not
determinative.
If
you
look
at
milwaukee
avenue
historic
district,
many
of
those
individual
buildings,
even
in
the
historic
domination,
were
pointed
out
that
they
by
themselves,
would
not
be
historic
buildings,
but
that
they
are
part
of
a
contributing
fabric
of
historic,
historic
district.
Similarly,
a
historic
district
is
made
up
of
parts.
You
take
out
part
of
those
parts.
You
don't
necessarily
have
the
hole
anymore.
M
M
M
There
was
substantial
community
engagement
involvement
in
this
in
a
very
positive
way,
and
two
very
key
things
came
of
this.
The
historic
research
largely
completed
the
work
that
would
need
to
be
done
for
designation
study,
so
most
of
that
designation
study
will
be
completed
quickly.
I
trust
the
second
very
key
element
is
the
economic
study
and
the
growth
we
embrace
growth
of
dinky
town.
This
map
represents
the
surrounding
blocks.
That
are,
we
welcome
for
expanding
growth.
M
The
hash
mark
areas
are
those
the
existing
the
existing
activity
center,
which
has
c1
zoning
very
low
density.
Zoning
right
now,
which
is
consistent
with
this
pedestrian
scale
development.
M
M
M
M
A
Are
there
any
questions
all
right?
Thank
you.
So
thank
you
miss
pearson,
so
I
I
want
to
open
up
a
comment
for
others.
I
want
to
just
reiterate
to
please
keep
your
comments
to
three
minutes.
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
context
from
the
neighborhood
association,
which
I
thought
was
important,
but
from
now
going
forward,
please
keep
your
comments
focused
on
the
matter,
that's
in
front
of
the
committee
today,
which
is
the
historic
nature
of
these
three
properties
and
and
then
I'll
just
open
it
up
for
your
comment.
N
Hi
I'm
mike
mulroney,
I
own
barney
pub
and
gorilla
412
14th
avenue
in
dinkytown
and
I'll
keep
it.
I
have
a
lot
of
points,
but
I'm
going
to
keep
it
right
to
these
buildings
and
the
other
buildings
in
the
area,
and
this
is
where
I
think
that
the
commission
aired
and
they're
they're,
assuming
that
these
buildings
are
all
the
buildings
as
a
whole
should
designate
whether
this
is
a
historic
area
or
not,
and
I
think
on
that
very
last
presentation
she
put
there.
N
One
of
their
concerns
was
nostalgic
brand
and
that's
great
nostalgic
brand
is
important,
but
I
don't
think
that
it
should
ever
be
confused
with
history,
because
it's
not
history,
it's
nostalgia
and
its
memories,
and
that
will
continue
and
that
will
be
preserved,
no
matter
what
happens
in
these
pictures
and
in
these
discussions
of
the
buildings
that
need
to
be
preserved,
one
of
those
that
they
say
needs
to
be
preserved,
because
it's
historic
is
the
building
that
I'm
located
in
ten
years
ago.
I
remodeled
that
building.
N
I
think
the
foche
tower
is
historic.
I
think
this
building
that
we're
in
right
now
is
a
historic
building,
but
just
because
those
are
historic
doesn't
automatically
qualify
the
building
across
the
street
as
being
historic
as
well.
There
are
some
buildings
that
have
architectural
value
in
dickie
town
that
could
be
classified
as
that's
history,
but
these
aren't.
N
These
are
plain
small
one-story
buildings
that
can't
support
any
more
work
to
be
done
on
them
or
additional
building
or
building
on
top
of
them,
which
limits
what
will
happen
as
we
talk
about
the
economic
value
and
the
the
supposed,
as
was
just
presented,
the
decline
of
dinkytown.
If
something
changes,
I
disagree
with
that.
I've
been
a
thriving
business
in
dickie
town
for
10
years
and
much
more
thriving
than
the
businesses
that
were
there
prior
to
me.
N
So
I
don't
believe
that
changing
the
area
and
changing
the
building
structures
and
the
designs
of
nikki
town
is
going
to
create
the
decline
of
dinky
town.
I
think
it's
only
going
to
improve
it
and
it's
going
to
help
the
economic
value,
which
is
the
long-range
vision
of
the
city.
O
O
I
served
on
minneapolis
hpc
for
21
years,
so
I've
had
some
experience,
including
the
kind
of
experience
one
of
the
patterns
preservation
seems
to
be
that
people
who
want
who
doubt
preservation
want
to
find
ways
of
not
understanding
this
real
context
and
and
there's
a
fear
factor
of
what
of
what
they
don't
know.
O
This
is
one
as
one
said,
this
is
the
one
a
few
commercial
unique
areas
in
in
minneapolis
because
of
a
small
character.
O
I
know
that
from
my
my
university
days
when
I
came
here
in
1960,
I
was
just
a
month
at
the
university
when
I
all
of
a
sudden
realized
walking
down
4th
street,
that
I
should
go
into
the
school
of
architecture
and
what
influenced
me
and
that
that
decisions
really
reward
me
beyond
measure,
but
the
historic
character
of
dinkytown
is
now
threatened
by
significant
changes
that
would
rituate
this.
It's
wonderful
ambiance,
as
cordelia
said,
nobody
wants
to
prevent
change.
A
free,
dried
freeze-dried.
History
will
prevent
changes
that
businesses
need
to
grow.
O
O
O
O
I
think
that,
given
the
sanity
falls
historic
district,
the
marcy
holmes,
historic
district,
the
knoll
district
that
was
just
mentioned,
and
the
pro
and
the
possibility
of
a
preservation-based
conservation
district
in
prospect
park
that
giving
dinkytown
historic
designation
would
be
a
history,
historic
necklace
that
the
city
of
minneapolis
greatly
deserves.
Thank
you.
P
Is
doug
donnelly
and
I'm
pastor
of
university
baptist
church,
which
is
at
1219
university
avenue
just
outside
of
the
the
business
district,
but
in
just
a
stone's
throw
from
this
area?
P
I'm
not
going
to
read
this
entire
thing
because
I
a
lot
of
it
has
already
been
repeated,
but
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
that
our
congregation
has
been
in
dinky
town
since
1890
and
and
we're
property
owners
and
we're
long
time,
members
of
the
dinkytown
community
who
are
concerned
about
recent
and
future
developments
and
how
they
affect
the
eclectic
nature
of
the
neighborhood
that
we
know
and
love.
P
We
house
five
congregations
in
our
building
and
several
community
groups,
all
of
whom
that
visit
and
and
work
in
dinkytown
patronage,
patronize,
the
wonderful
small
businesses
that
are
in
the
dinkytown
area.
We
love
the
idea
that
there
are
small
businesses,
family-owned
businesses,
that
that
can
thrive
in
a
small
footprint.
P
P
That
has
gone
away
where,
where
the
utec
development
and
the
opus
developments
are
just
very
close
to
the
to
this
other
proposed
development,
the
the
one
remaining
public
parking
lot
in
in
dinky
town
is
behind
one
of
the
buildings,
that
is,
that
is
being
proposed
to
be
demolished,
and
so
that
is
a
significant
burden
on
our
congregation,
especially
when
we've
got
lots
of
older
people
who
are
who
have
significant
mobility
issues.
P
I
spent
the
better
part
of
the
past
year
on
the
small
area
plan
task
force
on
behalf
of
the
congregation
where
we
went
with
with
several
business
owners
and
property
owners
and
neighborhood
activists
all
very
passionately
concerned
about
about
preserving
dinky
town
and
and
helping
it
to
grow
and
thrive
in
the
future.
P
The
1319
building,
in
particular,
displays
in
unique
1920s
architecture,
which
is
concomitant
with
our
building,
also
built
right
around
that
same
time
as
interested
and
responsible
property
owners
university
baptist
church
council
voted
on
sunday
january
19th
to
oppose
the
demolition
of
the
buildings
in
question.
P
This
is
because
the
demolition
and
the
proposed
new
development
exacerbate
a
parking
problem
already
at
epidemic
in
dinky
town,
we're
completely
behind
responsible
development
that
takes
into
account
the
needs
of
the
neighbors,
including
parking
and
opportunities
for
small
businesses
to
grow
and
thrive.
We
believe
the
heritage
preservation
commission
made
a
wise
decision
to
deny
the
demolition
permits
at
this
time.
P
Q
Good
morning,
council
member
vendor,
my
name
is
william
wells.
My
address
is
2832
fremont
avenue
south
in
minneapolis.
I
am
an
architect,
I'm
an
alumni
of
the
university
of
minnesota.
I
used
to
live
in
the
marcy
holmes
neighborhood,
and
I've
currently
designed
a
handful
of
buildings
under
construction
in
the
area.
I
regularly
attend
all
the
planning
meetings
and
a
lot
of
the
neighborhood
meetings,
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
issues,
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
perspective.
I've
also
met
with
all
the
18
property
owners
in
the
dinkytown
business
area.
Q
We
have
this
morning
two
different
stakeholder
groups
that
are
obviously
moving
in
two
very
different
directions
for
the
dinky
town
area.
The
u
of
m
area,
is
a
very
unique
area
for
the
node
of
the
city.
It
has
tremendous
demand
for
people
that
want
to
live
in
dinky
town
people
that
want
to
own
a
business
in
dinky
town.
It's
been
identified
by
city
staff
as
a
growth
center
for
the
city
and
city
staff
has
recommended
demolition
of
the
application
in
front
of
you
today.
Q
Developers
and
business
owners
and
property
owners
are
responding
to
the
demand
and
growth
for
change.
In
dingytown,
by
providing
new
buildings,
we
have
another
stakeholder
group
today
represented
by
a
small
group
of
homeowners
that
do
not
want
change
in
dinky
town
and
are
have
requested
a
moratorium
to
stop
all
demolition.
Q
This
is
very
concerning
we
have
two
different
stakeholder
groups,
moving
opposite
directions,
and
unfortunately
many
of
the
property
owners
in
diggy
town
have
been
rejected
from
the
neighborhood
association
and
are
not
participating
in
the
small
area
plan.
That
is
very
concerning
that
I
wanted
to
bring
that
point
forefront
to
you
today.
Q
Just
briefly,
I
I
would
ask
the
committee
today
to
try
to
find
a
reasonable
solution
that
both
parties
could
work
together
on.
I
support
the
demolition
of
410
13th
avenue
southeast.
I
think
that's
reasonable.
That
house
is
not
contributing
to
the
commercial
district
of
the
area,
perhaps
regarding
1319
4th
street
and
1315
4th
street.
Q
What
we
see
is
historic
is
only
the
scale
and
materials
of
those
buildings
and
not
the
actual
buildings
themselves.
So
perhaps
the
applicant
could
work
with
city
staff
in
the
design
of
the
new
building
to
replace
the
scale
and
materiality
of
that
commercial
node.
That
is
something
to
consider
going
forward.
R
Good
morning,
chair
bender
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
antigone
sander
mcleod
and
I
am
the
vice
president
of
the
dinky
town
business
association,
as
well
as
owner
of
restaurant,
cafe,
421
in
dinky
town
at
421,
14th
avenue,
southeast
and
in
regards
to
the
properties
that
we're
speaking
of
specifically
today.
They
are
important,
I
believe,
to
the
significant
historical
value
of
our
neighborhood.
The
corner
of
14th
and
4th
is
a
historical
crossroads
for
people,
and
we
have
heard
here
today
already
that
nostalgia
can
be.
S
Council
members,
my
name
is
paul
buchanan,
I'm
on
board
member
for
the
neighborhood
for
martial
homes,
neighbor
association,
where
I've
lived
for
the
last
eight
years
and
around
the
university
area,
I'm
a
graduate
of
the
university
there.
So
far,
there
has
been
no
requests
for
moratorium
in
this
area.
The
neighborhood
association
is
encouraging
of
we're
we're
encouraging
of
smart
growth
of
considerate
growth.
We
have
been
working
on
our
revised
master
plan
for
last
two
and
a
half
years.
Nearly
now
and
the
master
plan
does
the
cur.
S
The
new
master
plan
does
outline
areas
for
growth
within
the
neighborhood,
specifically
within
the
dinkytown
context,
to
expand
dinkytown
to
expand
the
commercial
node
that
is
dinkytown
in
terms
of
the
historic
context
of
these
buildings.
Cordelia
said
it
well
in
that
it's
not,
you
know
one
building.
That
is
historic.
S
I
completely
agree
with
michael
here:
it's
not
one
building,
that's
historic!
It's
the
fabric
of
dinky
town,
that
is
historic,
that
contributes
to
the
identity
of
our
neighborhood.
Ultimately,
the
identity
of
our
city.
How
many
students
that
go
to
the
university
create
their
identity
from
the
city
create
their
identity
within
the
city
within
the
university
through
their
experiences
in
dinky
town
experiences,
at
places
like
mesa
pizza
places
like
blarney's
places
like
the
university
life
center,
that
is
housed
in
the
1315
building,
and
so
it's
it's.
It
is
beyond
the.
S
The
history
of
a
building
is
not
locked
within
its
four
walls,
but
it
is.
It
expands
beyond
that
too,
as
created,
as
it
said,
before,
the
the
fabric
of
the
of
the
area,
the
threads
that
these
buildings
contribute
to
that
fabric.
Thank
you.
T
I
am
paul
dezuknar
and
I'm
the
building
owner
of
411
14th
avenue
southeast,
which
houses,
al's
and
also
espresso
royal
in
five
apartments
upstairs
and
it's
right
in
the
middle
of
14th
street,
and
I
guess
I'd
just
like
to
support
the
thought
that
I
believe
that
dinky
town
and
what
it
is
and
what
it
was
stems
from
the
community.
T
That's
around
it,
the
present
physical
presence
university,
it's
students,
the
neighbors
and
the
people
that
operate
the
business,
not
necessarily
the
buildings
themselves,
and
so,
although
there's
a
lot
of
history
behind
ninky
town
that
people
are
talking
about
from
a
nostalgic
standpoint,
I
believe
that
stems
from
similar
things
that
the
owner
of
barney
said
that
it's
it's
the
people
in
the
in
the
community
and
so
specific
to
these
three
buildings.
T
I
support
the
demolition
of
these
buildings
because
I
think
that
dinky
town
won't
change
when
those
buildings
are
gone.
I
think
it
will
continue
just
like
it
has
the
buildings
and
things
in
dingy
town
have
changed
for
years,
especially
during
the
period
that
was
outlined
by
the
city
and
dickie
town
has
never
lost
its
vibrancy
through
those
changes,
and
I
don't
think
going
forward
will
lose
his
vibrancy
again.
Thank
you.
U
U
U
U
My
mother
has
enjoyed
living
in
dinky
town,
all
of
her
life
and
she
has
been
very
active.
She
has
been
a
very
active
and
independent
woman
getting
about
town
and
thoroughly
enjoying
everything
about
the
city.
In
particular,
everything
that
the
city
and
dinkytown
has
to
offer
she
loves
the
university
and
has
many
happy
memories
living
in
the
area.
U
That
said,
her
concerns
are
much
more
personal.
She
is
upset
at
these
attempts
to
take
away
her
right
to
sell
her
own
home
for
a
price
that
she
deems
fair,
hurt
that
anyone
would
deny
a
senior
citizen,
her
independence,
to
make
these
decisions
and
her
dignity,
and
she
is
afraid
of
what
the
future
holds
for
her.
If
this
opportunity
disappears,
this
sale
means
a
lot
not
just
for
dinky
town,
but
for
my
mother
for
her,
it
means
a
chance
to
move
forward
in
life.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Could
the
next
person
come
forward.
J
Hi
I'm
callie
mccormick.
I
live
at
615,
fulton
street
southeast
dorm,
room
number
s276
and
just
looking
around
through
this,
there
hasn't
been
too
much
student
opinion
when,
in
my
opinion,
it's
pretty
hefty
majority
of
who's
living
there,
and
I
can't
give
you
an
exact
answer
of
every
student.
J
That's
on
the
university,
but
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
about
it
and
the
general
consensus
that
I've
seen
from
students
that
are
currently
there
is
that
their
memories
of
dinky
town
aren't
necessarily
associated
with
the
physical
building
rather
than
the
smaller
businesses
that
are
actually
there
and
more
of
the
the
activities
that
go
on
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there's
some
sort
of
student
voice
here
in
terms
of
what
I've
personally
heard
is
that
the
physical
buildings
to
the
current
students
are
not
as
important
as
actually
what
happens
downtown.
V
Thank
you,
I'm
heidi
tollefson
and
I'm
the
owner
of
the
bookhouse
in
dinkytown,
and
I
was
on
the
small
area
planning
process
and
I've
been
in
dinkytown
37
years,
so
I've
heard
lots
of
student
voices,
lots
of
alum
voices
and
the
importance
of
dinky
town
as
a
physical
entity,
the
continuity
of
the
structures
and
the
continuity
of
the
business
small
businesses
that
are
there.
V
I
am
was
part
of
the
small
area
planning
process,
which
was
not
really
very
accurately
represented
previously,
and
I
won't
take
your
time
now
to
amend
that.
But
I
want
to
give
you
a
few
slides
from
that
plan.
I.
V
Well,
these
buildings-
I
wanted
to
to
give
commissioner
johnson
a
little
better
view
of
some
of
the
rest
of
the
buildings
in
dinky
town,
that
the
character
of
the
building,
that's
in
question
at
1319,
is
one
one
that
is
important
because
of
the
continuity
that
creates,
particularly
at
that
vital
intersection.
That's
considered
the
core
of
dinky
town.
V
And
specifically,
I'm
going
to
have
to
do
practice
here
and
specifically
the
building
in
question
right
here
is
referenced.
Thank
you
is
referenced
in
the
small
area
plan
as
a
contributing
historic
structure.
My
understanding
is
that
historic
resource
definition
in
the
code
includes
historic
districts
and
contributing
to
historic
districts.
V
The
quote
from
the
plan
from
the
historic
consultants
report
is
that
there
are
many
other
historic
structures
that
contribute
to
the
character
of
dinky
town
low
scale
one-story
buildings
such
as
1319
1325
4th
street
southeast,
which
is
the
one
question
there.
These
are
equally
important
to
the
historic
value
of
dinky
town
and
help
provide
the
pedestrian
scale.
V
And
the
first
recommendation
of
the
heritage
preservation
section
of
the
draft
is
that
this
clear,
this
commercial
district
be
clearly
established
to
enable
the
city
and
the
neighborhood
and
the
business
district
to
consider
practices
to
preserve
the
remaining
historic,
architectural
and
cultural
values
of
the
area.
The
core
commercial
district
centers
around
the
intersection
to
which
the
structure
at
1319
and
secondarily
1315
significantly
contribute.
V
And
the
final
citation
that
I'd
like
to
make
from
the
smaller
area
planning
draft
comes
directly
from
the
market
analysis
that
was
done
as
a
separate
consultancy
which
says,
if
there's
no
regulatory
control
to
preserve
the
existing
stock
of
older
buildings,
many
will
likely
be
torn
down
in
a
relatively
rapid
rate.
Given
market
forces.
Dinky
town
is
a
very
small
district
and
it
will
not
take
too
many
tear
downs
of
key
sites
to
permanently
alter
the
character
of
the
district.
V
It
is
the
let's
see
it
would.
Let's
see,
such
tear-downs
would
remove
the
critical
mass
of
this
character
locations
and
if
this
were
to
be
the
case,
stinky
town
would
cease
to
function
as
a
character
district
instead
be
a
retail
location
with
a
few
isolated
old
buildings.
V
I
want
to
close
with
a
a
story
when
I
moved
my
bookstore
this
summer
I
had
book
dealers
come
up
who
to
visit,
to
help
me
move
from
lawrence,
kansas
who've
been
in
the
business
40
years,
and
they
have
been
in
every
university
district
in
the
country,
all
the
restaurants
and
after
our
third
dinner
at
camd.
V
I
said
you
know,
there's
this
great
set
of
restaurants
and
in
minneapolis
I
really
want
to
take
you
you've
come
to
do
this
free
for
me.
I
want
to
take
you
to
someplace
really
really
special,
and
they
said
there
are
so
few
genuine
places
left
anymore
that
we'll
just
stay
here.
We
want
to
stay
here
in
dinky
town.
V
I
would
like
to
note
that
the
landowner
resolution
of
support
for
the
hotel
project
is
is
not
germane,
as
the
chair
and
the
council
have
explained
to
the
decision
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Can
I
get
another
show
of
hands
of
of
the
folks
who
would
like
to
speak?
Okay,
great
just
a
few
more
so
thank
you.
Please
remember
to
stay
to
the
three
minute
time.
W
W
Over,
so
I've
been
an
owner
of
commercial
properties
in
the
dinkytown
business
district
for
24
years
I
regularly
talk
and
converse
with
property
owners
and
business
owners,
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
district,
and
I'm
asking
you
to
reverse
the
action
of
the
apc
of
the
hpc
and
allow
these
demolition
to
go
forward
as
to
the
merits
before
you,
you
know
we
were
blessed
with
a
a
highly
skilled
professional
staff.
They
knew
this
would
be
a
controversial
matter.
They
generated
a
significant
and
in-depth
analysis
and
their
reports
are
thorough.
W
W
W
W
It's
edgy,
it's
progressive,
it's
bohemian
and
dickie
town
has
that
nature,
but
not
because
we
have
a
particular
building,
it's
because
of
the
demographics,
and
it's
been
that
way
for
70
years.
So,
if
you
can
imagine
a
huge
helicopter
picks
up
these
four,
this
four
black
area
takes
it
over
and
puts
it
down
at
50th.
In
france,
the
the
culture
and
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
at
50th
and
france
would
be
what's
there
now.
It's
not
the
buildings
that
create
it.
It's
the
people
who
use
the
buildings
on
a
daily
basis.
W
And
finally,
I
just
want
to
address
a
property
owner's
perspective
on
the
potential
of
having
a
hotel
in
the
center
of
dinkytown.
We're
very
excited
about
it,
a
hotel
when,
when
the
developer
originally
approached
the
site,
they
were
talking
about
a
student
housing
project-
and
you
know,
student
housing
is
good.
It's
done
a
lot
of
good
things
for
dinky
town,
but
if
you
build
a
student
housing
project
that
400
students
can
live
in,
I
mean
that's
great:
they
will
frequent
nikki
town
businesses,
they
will
add
to
our
vitality,
but
they
only
turn
once
a
year.
W
So
you'll
have
the
same
400
people
for
a
year
and
then
they'll
turn
over
and
you'll
get
another
batch
of
400
people.
A
hotel
is
totally
different.
A
hotel
in
the
center
of
dinky
town
will
attract
with
its
meeting
rooms,
and
certainly
people
at
the
university
need
meeting
space,
so
those
will
be
full
at
lunch
time
in
it
in
the
evenings
and
the
rooms
themselves.
W
You've
got
maybe
200
people
a
day
going
to
that
hotel,
and
these
are
unique
visitors
they
wouldn't
be
in
dinky
town,
but
for
the
hotel
and
the
200
that
are
in
their
monday
are
different
than
the
200
that
are
in
there.
Tuesday
turns
over
every
day.
So
if
you
do
the
math
with
the
student
housing
project,
you
have
400
kids
there
for
a
year
if
the
number
200,
as.
W
Is
the
number
and
those
turn
every
day
you
do?
The
math
for
365
days,
that's
73,
000,
unique
visitors
to
the
center
core
of
dinky
town.
That's
going
to
really
enhance
the
economic
vitality.
The
the
property
owners
see
that
they
see
the
potential,
they
see
the
economic
impact
and
they
see
that
as
a
great
benefit
to
the
businesses
and
the
owners
in
dinkytown.
That's
why
we're
excited
about
it.
W
X
Good
early
afternoon
my
name
is
jeff
meyers,
I
own
1319,
the
property
in
question.
I
had
to
kind
of
laugh
at
what
was
said
about
blarney's.
My
father
has
owned
this
building
for
35
years.
I
own
it
via
contract
for
deed,
and
we
have
disassembled
every
front
on
that
building.
The
top
structure
of
the
building
has
been
modified.
X
When
I
bought
the
building,
the
back
of
the
building
is
modified,
there's
nothing
historical,
hardly
on
it,
except
for
the
brick
and
mortar
on
the
outside,
and
that,
as
as
we
know,
I
probably
need
to
do
some
repairs
on
this
was
bought
as
an
investment
from
my
father.
He
was
a
barber
in
the
university
area
for
35
years.
When
he
came
out
of
barber
school,
he
went
there.
There
was
a
barber
shop
gave
the
guy
a
card
said
call
me,
20
years
later,
he
got
the
call
purchased
it.
X
It
took
a
long
time,
but
long
story
short.
He
bought
it
with
the
ideal
of
owning
property.
Having
that
value
go
up
running
his
business
in
there
and
and
doing
that-
and
I
I
I
do
have
to
say-
I
never
thought
in
a
million
years
when
I
purchased
it
from
him
that
I
was
going
to
have
to
fight
to
be
able
to
sell
my
building.
X
I
think
I
think,
when
you
look
at
the
university
and
the
building
as
a
whole,
since
I've
been
involved
with
that
building,
I
believe
we've
had
12
different
businesses
plus
go
through
1319,
and
if
you
look
at
the
history,
I
learned
something
today,
there's
actually
other
businesses
in
there.
I
think
it
was
hit
on
the
head.
It
is
not
the
building
that
is
bringing
people
there.
We
all
know
it's
the
university,
it's
the
events,
it's
the
activities
that
are
going
there,
we're
not
taking
that
away.
A
Thank
you
thanks.
It
looked
like
that
was
the
final
person,
but
does
anyone
else
want
to
speak
great,
seeing
none?
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
see
if
any
of
my
colleagues
have
questions.
A
Seeing
none,
I
will
move
to
deny
the
appeal
of
each
of
these
separate
applications
and,
no
sorry
to
excuse
me,
I
will
move
to
uphold
the
appeal
for
each
of
these
separate
applications
in
order
to
move
this
conversation
along
so
just
to
clarify
to
support
the
demolition
of
each
of
these
separate
buildings.
A
I'm
doing
that
for
several
reasons.
Number
one
I'm
an
alumni
of
the
university
of
minnesota
and
it's
hard
to
believe.
But
it's
been
almost
20
years
since
I
was
there
as
a
student,
I
have
a
lot
of
fond
memories
of
this
place,
but,
like
many
people
have
said,
I
think
that
it
had
a
lot
more
to
do
with
my
time
at
the
university
than
any
specific
buildings
in
the
area,
and
the
second
thing
is
that
I've
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
about
impacts
of
development.
But
that's
really
not
the
question
here
today.
A
K
Madam
chair,
just
just
a
point
of
clarification,
so
your
motion
is
to
grant
the
appeal
approve
the
demolitions
and
in
doing
so
that
your
motion
would
include
the
adoption
of
the
staff
report,
recommended
findings
and
and
the
recommendation
of
demo.
B
It's
amazing
to
hear
these
stories,
some
very
powerful
stories
that
were
shared
the
voice
of
students
that
came
out
and
the
property
owners
as
well.
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
you
that
there's
emotions
and
memories
connected
to
this.
I
actually
have
gone
to
mesa
pizza
countless
times
with
my
buddy
tony.
B
He
lived
in
dinky
town
and
we
spent
just
a
ton
of
time
going
there
and
actually,
over
the
weekend,
I
went
several
times
to
dinky
town
and
even
this
week
I
went
there
to
really
get
a
feel
for
this
decision
that
we
have
today.
I
certainly
agree
it's
a
unique
commercial
area
and
it's
there's
a
lot
of
history
within
that
area
as
well.
B
B
Would
we
not
allow
that,
because
we
saw
these
buildings
as
somehow
being
historic,
and
when
I
look
at
especially
1319,
which
I
think
is
probably
the
the
biggest
candidate
for
being
a
historic
building,
I
don't
see
it.
I've
driven
around
my
ward,
I've
looked
at
similar
buildings
as
well
and
really
reflected
on
this,
and
this
is
a
granted,
an
old
brick
building
an
old
facade,
but
even
as
the
owner
has
stated,
it's
been
modified
so
many
times
remodeled
and
changed
now.
B
If
anybody
was
to
say,
let's
demolish,
luring
pasta
bar
I'd
be
the
first
up
in
arms.
With
that
I
mean
just
spending
the
weekend
in
dinky
town
and
looking
at
that
building,
we
see
so
many
artistic
components
to
that.
We
see
statues
over
the
doorways
this
old
glass.
All
this
stuff
is
beautiful,
but
what
we're
looking
at
with
this
particular
building
is
really
a
plain
old,
brick
building
and
trying
to
decide
if
that
in
and
of
itself
is
historic.
B
I
also
wonder
about
the
rights
of
private
landowners
and
their
how
much
ability
the
city
has
to
get
involved
with
these
transactions,
and
I
think
it
would
have
to
be
a
fairly
high
bar
in
terms
of
historical
significance
for
us
to
say
no,
you
don't
have
the
ability
to
sell
your
property
and
do
with
it
as
you
please,
because
this
building
truly
has
some
artistic
value.
Some
history
that
is
worth
preserving,
so
that
is
why
I
would
support
the
motion
by
chair
bender,
specifically
in
regards
to
these
three
buildings.
Y
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
going
to
move
a
substitute
which
is
to
grant
the
appeal
at
1315
4th
street
southeast
and
grant
the
appeal
at
410
13th
avenue
southeast,
but
deny
the
appeal
at
1319
4th
street
southeast
and
find
that
1319
as
a
historic
resource.
And
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
nielsen
to
help
me
with
other
remarks
that
I
have
to
make
or
other
parts
of
a
motion
to
deny
that
appeal.
At
13.
19.
K
Yes,
chair
bender,
council,
president
johnson,
so
for
the
portion
for
13,
15
and
410,
where
you
have
made
a
motion
to
grant
the
appeal
which
would
be
to
approve
the
demo,
you
can
adopt
planning
staff
findings
that
have
been
made
in
that
regard.
Y
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
chairman.
I
continue
all
right,
then.
I
would
move
as
part
of
my
motion
to
adopt
staff
recommendations
for
both
1315
4th
street
southeast
and
410
13th
avenue
southeast
and
then
on,
1319
4th
street
southeast
again
to
deny
the
appeal
and
direct
staff
to
adopt
or
to
recommend
findings
for
adoption,
and
I
I
just
looking
at
these
three
properties.
I
think
it
is
clear
that
the
one
that
does
have
the.
Y
You
know,
council,
member
johnson,
I
was
listening
to
your
to
your
remarks
about
what's
the
name
of
the
other,
luring
pasta
bar?
Well,
that's
a
two-swor
two-story
building,
and
so
it
has,
you
know
it
has
maybe
some
more
charm
than
a
one-story
build
building,
but
one-story
buildings
were
also
part
of
the
way
that
neighborhood
developed,
and
I
appreciate
what
people
are
saying.
Y
I
was
actually
over
at
the
university
of
minnesota
campus
yesterday
on
the
west
bank
and
with
my
husband
who
went
there
as
a
young
man
many
years
ago,
and
you
know
how
that
we
were.
We
were
just
kind
of
laughing
because
you
know
how
much
the
campus
has
changed.
How
things
change
is
part
of
you
know
the
way
a
city
works,
but
I
think
when
you
have
an
opportunity
to
make
a
statement
about
a
the
flavor
of
what
that
place
looked
like
in
the
beginning.
Y
I
think
this
particular
building
at
1319
offers
that,
and
so
I
am
sympathetic
up
to
the
concern
of
the
neighborhood
to
do
or
to
find
all
three
buildings
and
as
historic,
but
I'm
more
I'm
much
more
compelled
by
13
19..
Z
So
if
council,
member
johnson
and
council
chair
bender
would
withdraw
their
motions,
you
can
make
a
motion
on
each
they're
all
listed
separately
on
the
agenda,
and
then
everyone
can
vote
the
way
they
want
on
each
of
the
buildings,
which
would
perhaps
be
the
cleanest
way
to
do
it.
So
my
recommendation
as
a
friendly
recommendation
to
those
who
had
made
motions
would
be
to
withdraw
and
then
call
the
question
on
each
individual
property.
A
Wonderful,
thank
you.
So
I
will
move
to
uphold
the
appeal.
A
Oh
I'm
sorry,
thank
you.
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
address,
oh
so
the
first
one
is
I'll.
Let
someone
else
make
that
motion.
Y
Incorporate
findings
for
adoption
and
just
use.
My
previous
remarks
is
that
okay,
mr
nelson.
K
Chair
bender,
council,
president
johnson,
yes,
that
is
okay.
Thank.
Y
A
Wonderful
I'll
see
if
anyone
else
left
comments.
I
just
want
to
explain
my
position
on
this
building.
I
represent
a
part
of
the
town
that
has
a
number
of
one-story
brick
buildings,
and
one
of
those
quarters
is
nicolet
avenue
where
the
city
has
indicated
preference
to
build
a
streetcar
as
an
economic
development
tool,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
I
can
support
designating
this
particular
one-story,
brick
building
as
historically
significant
and
then
with
a
straight
face.
A
Look
at
my
constituents
in
ward
10
and
look
at
that
corridor
as
a
place
that
we
have
designated
for
economic
growth,
and
I
just
feel
that
it's
important
to
be
consistent
and
that
historic
preservation
is
a
field
of
study
that
I
take
very
seriously.
I
think
it
is
very
important
for
our
city
to
truly
capture
our
historic
resources.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
staff's
time,
which
is
very
limited,
is
directed
toward.
B
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
any
of
my
colleagues
who
are
interested
in
preserving
this
building,
articulate
what
it
specifically
is
about
this
building
that,
especially
as
it's
been
changed
and
remodeled,
and
all
this
what
makes
this
building
historic
and
if
they
would
also
be
against
the
demolition
of
this
building,
if
it
was
in
their
wards
as
well,
because
I
think
that's
important
we're
really
here
today
to
decide
if
this
particular
building
is
historic
and
all
these
other
aspects
of
that
are
not
for
us
to
decide
in
this
meeting,
as
we've
heard
from
council.
Y
Madam
chair,
our
rules,
committee
rules
do
really
not
encourage
council
members
to
question
other
council
members
for
the
reasons
behind
their
actions.
Z
You,
council,
president
johnson,
but
I'll
rise
to
that
occasion.
Actually,
even
though
it's
completely
out
of
our
customary
way
of
treating
each
other
to
note
that
this
is
not
about
designating
the
building
historic,
it's
about
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
commence
a
study
to
determine
whether
or
not
it's
historic,
and
I
think
enough
information
has
been
given
by
the
neighbors
today
to
determine
that
this
deserves
a
study.
Should
it
be
studied
and
determined
by
the
professionals
that
it's
not
historic,
the
applicant
will
be
given
practically
an
automatic
authorization
to
demo
to
demolish
the
building.
Z
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
comments
with
that?
I
will
we
have
a
motion
to
deny
the
appeal
for
1319
4th
street
southeast
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
all
those
opposed,
say,
nay,
nay,
and
the
motion
carries.