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From YouTube: September 17, 2014 Committee of the Whole Meeting
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Minneapolis Committee of the Whole Meeting
A
Good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
elizabeth
glidden
and
I
am
the
chair
of
our
committee
of
the
whole
and
I
am
going
to
call
to
order
our
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
committee.
I
am
joined
today
by
council
members,
gordon
cano,
andrew
johnson,
yang,
quincy,
goodman
fry
palmisano
and
come
from
bender
is
here
and
we'll
be
returning
shortly.
I
do
believe
we
are
a
quorum
of
a
committee
and
able
to
do
business
today.
We
have
one
item
formally
on
our
agenda
and
then
we
will
have.
I
will
add.
A
A
second
item
which
is
really
part
of
a
committee
report
from
cd
and
rs
is
an
update
on
an
item
that
was
on
the
agenda
of
that
committee.
So
first
we
will
turn
to
our
one
agenda
item
and
I'm
not
sure
if
ms
trevor
or
ms
christensen
is
presenting
but
come
on
up.
This
is
a
change
to
our
ordinance
that
directs
our
relationship
with
the
minneapolis
public
housing
authority,
and
we
have
a
proposed
change
that
aligns
with
some
legal
requirements.
B
B
First
of
all,
what
exactly
is
the
title?
16
chapter
420.?
It
is
a
provision
within
the
city's
ordinances
that
pertains
to
continued
relationships
between
the
minneapolis
public
housing
authority
and
the
city.
When
the
mpha
became
a
separate
entity
a
number
of
years
ago,
the
current
ordinance
outlines
a
number
of
potential
shared
support
activities.
B
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
I
will
let
my
colleagues
know
that
I
do
have
speaker
management
up.
I
am
not
seeing
any
clarifying
questions
from
council
members,
so
we
will
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing
and
I
will
ask
if
there
is
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
at
the
public
hearing,
we
conduct
a
typically
conduct
a
public
hearing,
any
ordinance
changes.
A
So
just
for
folks
to
know
this
is
a
usual
part
of
our
process
and
I'm
not
seeing
anyone
come
forward
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
I
will
move
approval
of
these
amendments
to
the
ordinance
that
is
before
us
with.
Maybe
just
one
final
comment,
which
is
that,
as
the
request
for
council
election
states
towards
the
end.
A
Some
of
these
changes
are
also
to
ensure
that
the
city's
benefit
plans
are
legally
compliant
with
some
state
and
federal
requirements
that
talk
about
separation
of
benefits,
provided
any
discussion
on
the
motion
scene.
None
all
approval,
please
say
I
I
opposed,
and
that
item
is
approved.
Thank
you
very
much
to
staff.
A
A
C
Okay,
so
we
have
a
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
tomorrow,
many
of
them
very
notable,
and
that's
why
I
want
to
make
sure
they
come
out
first,
including
item
number
two,
which
is
a
change.
That's
been
in
the
works
for
a
very
long
period
of
time,
authored
by
council
members,
paul
samo,
glidden
and
frye,
which
would
make
changes
to
the
food
and
alcohol
sales
ratio
ordinance
amendments.
This
is
allowing
us
to
have
a
new
way
of
dealing
with
liquor
and
restaurant
establishments
and
how
we
judge
their
behavior
in
neighborhoods.
C
Essentially,
we
would
be
eliminating
the
60
40
requirements
and
putting
in
new
requirements
that
might
better
be
able
to
judge
whether
or
not
businesses
are
operating
appropriately
outside
of
downtown.
So
that's
item
number
two
item:
three
is
a
rental
dwelling
license
revocation
item
four
are
all
of
the
rest
of
the
liquor
beer
wine
and
gambling
license
applications
item
six
is
an
operating
conditions
for
the
cc
club.
C
Five
six
is
business
license
operating
conditions
for
mykonos,
coffee
and
grill.
Seven
are
business
licensing,
licensing
operating
conditions
for
a
grocery
and
tobacco
license.
Eight
are
rental
dwelling
license
issues,
nine
are
the
is
the
reconveyance
and
quit
claim
deed
execution
at
4831,
colfax
avenue
north
item
number
10
is
the
met
council's
housing
policy
plan.
We
discussed
that
this
morning
in
the
adjourned
meeting
item
11
is
up
in
two
other
committees
as
well.
This
is
passing
ordinances
relating
to
restroom
and
toilet
facilities,
and
item
number
12
is
moving
forward.
C
The
2015
license
fee
schedule
with
no
increase
proposed
for
2015..
This
is
also
in
two
other
committees,
noting
that
there
will
be
a
wholesale
revision
to
our
license
structure
happening
internally
over
the
next
year,
with
an
anticipation
that,
after
three
years
of
no
increases
we're
going
to
see
a
potentially
different
system,
more
matched
with
the
services
that
are
being
rendered
for
the
license,
that's
being
requested.
C
A
D
E
C
G
I
have
the
clerk
pass
out
that
term
sheet
great
good
morning.
Madam
chair
council
members,
my
name
is
miles
mercer,
I'm
in
the
business
development
group
at
cped.
I've
been
the
project
coordinator
and
part
of
the
staff
team
that
has
been
working
on
the
downtown
east
project,
and
what
we're
here
to
talk
with
you
about
today
is
one
part
of
that
downtown
east
project.
It's
related
to
the
block
one
development
rights.
G
G
You
can
see
the
old
metrodome
there,
so
there's
several
blocks
that
are
numbered
there.
The
block
that
we
are
talking
about
is
the
one
that's
labeled
block
one
just
just
to
the
south.
That
is
the
light
rail
station
and
blocks
labeled.
Two
and
three
are
currently
under
construction,
and
that's
where
the
new
wells
fargo
office
towers
will
go
so
on
block
one
there's
going
to
be
a
new
parking
ramp
built
block.
One
is
currently
owned
by
the
msfa,
the
minnesota
sports
facilities
authority,
and
they
will.
G
The
configuration
of
that
ramp
on
that
block
is
such
is
that
there's
a
parcel
of
land
on
the
south
side
that
we
call
the
liner
parcel,
and
that
is
a
developable
parcel
and
in
addition
to
that,
liner
parcel.
There
is
the
air
rights
above
the
ramp
and
it's
possible
to
build
additional
structure
above
that
parking
ramp.
The
parking
ramp
is
currently
planned
to
be
six
stories
tall,
so
it's
possible
to
build
additional
structure
above
that
six
stories.
G
So,
first
looking
at
the
term
sheet
section
one
property:
it's
talking
about
the
development
rights,
two,
the
developer
is
ryan
companies,
and
I
will
mention
that
ryan
companies
is
working
in
partnership
with
magellan
development
group.
Magellan
is
building
and
just
I
believe,
just
opened
the
lpm
tower
in
lowering
park
high-rise
apartment
tower,
so
they
will
be
working
together
on
this
project.
G
What
magellan
and
ryan
plan
to
build
is
a
residential
story
tower
of
25
to
35
stories
and
as
well,
and
that
would
all
be
within
the
plane
of
the
liner
parcel
that
faces
the
south
end
of
the
ramp.
In
addition,
they
need
some
parking
for
their
residents
and
so
they're
proposing
to
build
a
seventh
floor
of
parking
to
the
ramp,
and
that
would
be
for
the
residents
of
that
tower.
G
So
that
is
what
plan
a
is
is
to
build
that
residential
tower.
However,
if
something
were
to
occur
that
the
residential
power
proves
unfeasible,
then
ryan
could
build
something
else
with
it
within
those
development
rights,
potentially
an
office
tower,
if
that
was
feasible,
potentially
a
hotel,
if
that
was
feasible,
potentially
maybe
a
lower
rise
residential
building.
If
that
was
feasible
and
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
more
about
how
those
scenarios
might
occur,
sort
of
the
timing
of
it
number
four
is
the
purchase
option.
G
So
a
thing
to
understand
about
this,
this
term
sheet
is,
is
what
we'll
be
entering
into
with
ryan?
Is
a
purchase
option
development
contract
so
it'll
be
given
giving
ryan
an
option
to
purchase
the
development
rights,
so
why
are
we
doing
it
that
way?
Why
aren't
we
just
selling
it
to
them?
Well,
part
of
the
reason
is
because
there
is
a
mismatch
in
timing
between
the
ramp,
the
parking
ramp
project
and
these
this
development
rights
project,
so
right
now,
ryan,
is
designing
that
parking
ramp.
G
It's
pretty
much
very
close
to
finalizing
the
design
of
that
parking
ramp
and
and
is
in
the
process
of
getting
building
permits
is
already,
I
believe,
abating
the
building.
That's
that's
there
now
for
dental
preparation
for
demolition
and
we'll
be
needing
to
order
materials
for
the
parking
ramp
next
month.
So
this
parking
ramp
process
is
is
unfolding
as
we
speak.
G
So
that's
why
this
is
a
purchase
option
agreement
is,
we
are
give.
Is
ryan
is
going
to
have
the
option
to
purchase
the
development
rights
which
gives
them
time
to
work
out
their
deal
with
magellan,
but
at
the
same
time
they
are
going
to
have
some
certainty
that
they
have
the
development
rights
and
I'll
talk
about
how
long
that
is,
and
so
that
give
because
of
that
certainty
that
they're
therefore
willing
to
make
the
investment
into
the
ramp,
which
is
good
for
them.
G
G
G
Number
number:
six
is
the
option
requirements,
so
this
is
where
I
was
talking
about
the
improvements
that
are
needed
to
the
ramp
and
it
lists
them.
There
and
ryan
has
estimated
that
those
improvements
are
going
to
cost
1.3
to
1.6
million
dollars.
So
the
thing
that
from
ryan's
perspective,
they
are
paying
us
300
000
dollars
now.
Basically,
this
fall
as
well
as
spending
1.3
to
1.6
million
dollars
in
the
near
term
on
these
ramp
modifications
and
so
they're
they're
willing
to
make
that
investment
now
in
response.
G
G
G
G
In
addition,
when
ryan
finishes
the
residential
tower,
they
will
start,
they
will
pay
the
city,
a
series
of
payments,
totaling
1
million
dollars
and
it's
basically
200
000
per
quarter,
starting
upon
completion
of
the
tower.
So
this
is
one
of
the
areas
where
the
term
sheet
has
changed
since
last
week.
G
What
ryan
has
been
willing
to
do
is
to
start
that
those
payments,
those
payments
that
total
a
million
dollars
earlier
upon
completion
of
the
tower
when
the
tower
achieves
its
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
we
get
those
payments
earlier
and
by
the
way
we
do,
even
though
they
are
spread
over
time.
We
get
them
with
interest.
G
G
Number
11
is
it's
something
that
was
also
important
to
us
that
the
developer
ryan
is
going
to
use
best
efforts
to
raise
funds
for
the
downtown
east
green
space
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
developing,
and
I
we
believe
that
ryan
is
going
to
take
a
leadership
role
in
raising
private
funds.
For
for
that
space.
G
We
do
need
some
participation
from
the
minnesota
sports
facilities
authority,
it's
their
ramp
after
all,
and
so
we
need
them
to
participate
in
conveying
the
property
of
the
development
rights
to
us
as
well
as
we
need
them
to
approve
to
some
of
the
design
changes
to
the
ramp.
That
will
that
will
accommodate
the
development.
G
So
then,
last
section
last
page
number
16.
This
is
the
second
major
change
to
the
term
sheet
from
last
week.
So
last
week
we
didn't
even
have
a
section,
but
now
we
do,
and
so
what
does
section
16
do
section?
16
gives
the
city
the
option
to
terminate
ryan's
purchase
option,
so
we
have
now
have
a
choice:
to
terminate
ryan's
purchase
option
under
certain
conditions.
So
where
are
those
conditions?
G
The
language
reads:
it's
the
earlier
of
the
time
that
we
get
written
approval
from
the
msfa
and
effectively
the
vikings
that
the
200
spaces,
the
level
7.
The
parking
that
ryan
would
build
will
have
unfettered
access
through
the
ramp,
which
has
been
one
of
the
major
issues,
is
that
the
vikings
in
particular
want
to
restrict
the
access
of
those
parkers
during
stadium
events,
so
an
event
certain.
In
fact,
they
don't
want
people
coming
out
from
that
seventh
floor
and
and
trying
to
exit
the
ramp
and
potentially
extending
exit
times.
G
If
we
don't
get
that,
then
there's
this
outside
date
of
december
31
2015.,
and
if,
by
that
time,
ryan,
that
if
we,
if
we
have
not
achieved
the
approval
from
the
sports
skills
authority
on
the
shortened
spaces,
then
the
clock
starts
at
the
end
of
december
2015..
So
what
happens
with
the
clock?
Well,
when
the
clock
starts
upon
either
of
those
two
triggers
ryan
will
have
180
days
to
submit
plans
for
the
for
their
project
to
this
city.
So
that's
their
first
milestone.
G
Since
ryan
has
invested
money
into
the
ramp
modifications
this
1.3
to
1.6
million,
they
would
like
to
be
reimbursed
for
that
if
they
are
out
of
the
deal.
So
the
city
has
the
option
to
take
ryan
out
of
the
deal,
but
it
will.
It
would
cost
the
city
up
to
1.6
million
dollars,
based
on
the
actual
cost
that
the
city
would
have
rights
to
verify
and
audit.
G
So
that's
the
first
point:
that's
the
first
opportunity
for
the
city
to
cancel
the
deal.
Second
is
if
ryan
has
submitted
plans,
but
they
are
not
able
to
close
within
60
days
of
receiving
the
city
approval,
so
they
submitted
their
plans.
It's
gone
through
the
approval
process.
If
they
can't
close
the
deal,
for
example,
they
can't
secure
their
financing.
G
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
don't
have
any
questions,
but
I
do
have
a
few
brief
comments
just
to
outline
the
major
differences
between
the
proposal
and
the
term
sheet
that
ryan
provided
prior
to
the
cdrs
meeting,
and
today
there
are
some
really
serious
differences.
The
first
one
is
the
buyback
option.
Councilmember
goodman
artfully
stated
that
without
the
buyback
option
we
were
kind
of
in
trouble.
In
other
words,
ryan
could
get
the
parcel
get
the
rights
to
develop.
F
They
could
not
develop
feasibly
and
then
they
would
be
able
to
land
bank
and
have
it
around
for
seven
years
really,
when
we
wouldn't
have
the
ability
to
do
anything
now,
we
not
only
have
one
buy
back
option
in
trigger
point.
We
have
two
buyback
options
and
trigger
points
and
if
the
magellan
deal
for
some
reason,
we
all
hope
that
doesn't
take
place,
but
if,
for
some
reason
it
falls
through,
we
have
the
option
of
getting
the
property
back,
reissuing
an
rfp
and
moving
forward
with
a
different
developer
and
a
different
development.
F
The
second
piece
is
the
final
million
dollars.
The
final
million
dollars
previously
was
to
be
paid
upon.
70
percent
occupancy.
So,
in
other
words,
we
were
waiting
for
the
building
to
get
rented
out
or
sold
out
for
us
to
get
our
money.
Now
we
are
getting
that
money
as
soon
as
the
building
is
up
and
the
certificate
of
occupancy
is
issued
that
that's
not
a
minor
change.
That's
that's
pretty
serious.
F
The
final
piece
is
is
something
that
I
pointed
out
during
the
cdrs
meeting,
which
is
the
the
property
taxes
the
there,
as
many
people
knew
saw
during
the
during
the
cdrs
meeting.
There
were
two
sort
of
competing
proposals,
only
one
of
which
the
ryan
proposal
that
we're
even
permitted
to
to
look
at
today
and
you
know,
on
its
face.
It
looked
like
I'll
just
say.
The
vikings
proposal
was
a
a
higher
price
tag.
F
It's
not
the
vikings
proposal
had
100
fewer
units
and
due
to
that
100
fewer
units,
we
will
be
able
to
collect
substantially
fewer
property
taxes,
the
the
present
value
of
those
property
taxes
right
now.
If
we
were
to
take
that
value
right
now,
the
difference
would
be
3.5
million
dollars.
So
if
you
add
3.5
million
dollars
to
three
you're
at
6.5
million
dollars,
which
is
of
course
more
than
4.6,
which
is
what
the
vikings
were
proposing,
this
is
in
addition
to
the
the
changes
that
have
been
made
since
the
cdrs
meeting.
F
There
are
a
couple
pieces
that
are
not
outlined
in
the
term
sheet
that
we've
discussed
in
extent
with
with
ryan.
One
of
them
is
the
payment
of
200
000
to
hire
a
fundraiser
for
the
green
space
in
front
of
the
stadium,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
and
the
the
second
piece
that
we've
discussed
in
extent
is
a
is
a
police
substation,
as
you
know,
just
having
a
green
space
in
and
of
itself
isn't
necessarily
safe.
F
So
having
some
additional
eyes
on
the
park
by
trained
officers
is
is
critical,
so
you
know,
I
think
we
are
in
a
good
point
now.
A
lot
of
the
problems
that
were
previously
raised
have
been
addressed,
and
I
and
or
mr
mercer,
I'm
sure,
happy
to
answer
any
additional
questions.
Any
of
my
colleagues
may
have.
H
That
we
had
a
deal,
we
had
an
arrangement,
we
had
a
commitment
and
all
of
a
sudden
somebody's
not
following
through
when
we
went
through
this
fair
process.
We
chose
them
to
to
perform
and
now
they're
coming
back
saying
we
can't
perform
so
seemed
like
what
the
fair
thing
to
do
and
reasonable
thing
to
do
would
be
to
say:
okay,
that
didn't
work.
H
Let's
go
out
for
a
request
for
proposals
and,
let's
see
what's
actually
out
there,
so
it
can
be
fair,
especially
when
there's
some
strange
last
minute,
new
proposal,
that's
hurled
in
from
the
sidelines
from
the
vikings
now,
I'm
feeling
I'm
growing
pressure
as
staff
is
trying
to
address
concerns
and
and
and
there's
this
meeting
and
discussions
going
on
between
the
committee
and
now
and
there's
a
new
term
sheet
to
figure
out.
So
forgive
me
if
I
I'm
way
behind
everybody
else,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
H
G
G
Madam
chair
councilmember,
goodin
gordon,
the
the
msfa,
owns
all
of
the
property,
all
the
real
estate
in
on
block
one
right
now,
when
the
when
the
ramp
is
built.
What
is
going
to
happen?
It's
a
a
real
estate
law
process
of
creating
a
vertical
registered
land
survey,
which
will
basically
think
of
that
block
in
a
three-dimensional
sense
and
cut
it
up
into
different
parcels.
So
it's
not
just
parcels
on
the
a
two
dimensional
plane
but
parcels
within
the
air,
and
so
the
msfa
will
own
the
property.
The
box.
G
If
you
will
of
the
ms
of
the
right
of
the
parking
ramp
up
to
the
sixth
floor,
they
will
will
create.
When
we
first
create
this
parcel,
it
will
be
of
the
of
the
development
rights
there'll,
be
this
line
of
parcel
on
the
ground,
as
well
as
a
plane
up
into
the
sky
as
well
as
starting
on
the
basically
the
seventh
floor
of
the
ramp
and
going
up
to
the
sky
is
another
piece
of
property.
G
G
Adam
shared
councilman,
gordon,
that
is
correct
in
the
broader
downtown
east,
deal
that
the
city,
the
msfa
and
ryan
negotiated
last
year
and
that
city
council
approved
last
year.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
the
city
got
was
the
rights
to
decide
how
these
development
rights
were
going
to
unfold?
Who
who
who
would
develop
them?
What
would
be
developed
there
and
also
that
the
city
would
get
the
money
proceeds
from
the
sale.
G
G
Pieces
of
negotiation
that
the
three
parties
all
put
together,
so
I
think
it's
difficult
to
say
that
we
got
the
development
rights
for
any
one
particular
thing
within
the
deal.
But
I
would
say
that
when
it
comes
to
the
parking
ramp,
the
city
is
providing
financing
for
approximately
two-thirds
of
the
cost
of
building
that
parking
ramp
and
the
sports
facility
authority
is
providing
funding
for
the
additional.
G
H
G
H
Why
can't
we
just
wait
until
they
actually
have
a
a
deal
with
the
developers
so
they're?
You
know
this
is
all
contingent
on
speculative
negotiations
that
are
going
on
behind
closed
doors
between
parties
that
we,
you
know,
aren't
aligned
with
necessarily
and
everything,
but
we
aren't
part
of
the
negotiations.
Why
can't
we
just
wait
and
see
if
they
can
actually
get
their
development
partner
lined
up
first
and
not
take
all
this
risk
and
uncertainty.
G
I
H
Requirement
that
says
the
ramp
must
be
completed
to
serve
this
many
cars
on
opening
day
for
the
vikings
who's
who's
created
this
time.
This
timeline,
I
guess,
because
it
seems
like
we've,
seen,
projects
adjust
and
slow
down
and
accommodate
and
there's
probably
other
places
where
fans
could
park
for
opening
day
so
that
doesn't
quite
it
doesn't
fit
ryan's
timeline.
G
Ma'am
share
council
member
gordon,
I
would
say
who's
done
this
well
in
part.
It's
us
because
these
these
timings,
these
deadlines
are
laid
out
in
the
agreements
related
to
the
the
broader
downtown
east
deal,
which
we
were
a
party
to
that
mess.
Afe
was
a
party
to
that
ryan
was
a
party
to
so
in
those
deals
and
the
development
agreement.
For
that
it
lays
out
the
timings
now.
H
G
Chair
councilmember,
gordon,
we
are
past
the
term
sheet
stage
on
that
we
we
have
actual
executed,
binding
legal
documents
for
that,
and
if
we
were
to
try
to
amend
those
we
would
get,
we
would
need
the
consent
of
the
other
parties.
Those
agreements
which
include
ryan
and
the
sports
facilities
authority.
H
G
J
The
existing
downtown
east
development
agreements
and
all
the
ancillary
related
agreements
deal
with
the
green
space,
the
wells,
fargo
towers
and
the
parking
ramp.
There
are
tri-party
arrangements
that
we
all
agreed
to
to
drive
the
development
and
the
park
we
have
subsequently
to
executing
those
agreements,
sold
our
bonds
to
finance
our
share
of
the
entire
project,
and
we
are
relying
on
ryan's
payments
under
the
bond
documents
to
cover
our
debt
service
for
those
first
10
years
on
those
bonds.
H
J
Madam
chair
council,
member
gordon,
we
have,
the
city,
has
a
vested
interest
in
seeing
the
development
rights
are
related
to
the
ramp
and
the
line
or
parcel
come
to
fruition.
Sooner
rather
than
later,
it
provides
a
source
of
capital
that
we
can
deploy
at
our
discretion
and
to
see
a
development
project
there.
That
is
more
likely
rather
than
less
and
bigger,
rather
than
smaller.
Well
and.
H
J
J
That
is
precisely
why
we
have
struck
the
deal
or
proposing
to
strike
the
deal
to
retain
the
buyout
option
so
that,
if
certain
things
don't
happen
on
the
pace
we
are
expecting.
We
can
step
in
and
take
different
control
to
make
sure
that
the
outcomes
that
are
in
our
best
interests
happen
as
fast
as
they
can.
E
Madam
chair
and
councilmember
gordon,
it
would
be
possible,
I
think,
as
has
been
discussed
and
considered
for
the
city,
to
go
ahead
and
front
the
funding
to
reinforce
the
ramp.
That
is
the
timeline
that
was
part
of
the
deal
with
the
stadium
funding
with
being
able
to
use
state
bond
money,
even
though
the
city
is
going
to
be
getting
a
hundred
percent
of
the
revenues
of
the
profits
above
operating
costs
for
that
ramp
to
pay
for
the
green
space.
E
The
commons,
as
well
as
to
pay
back
the
city
for
its
financing
of
the
ramp,
so
the
city
could
decide
that
we
will
go
ahead
and
with
city
resources
pay
to
reinforce
the
ramp.
The
proposal
in
front
of
you
is
that
ryan
is
willing
to
run
that
risk
and
put
that
money
in
in
exchange
for
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
option
that
they
would
stand
to
lose
if
the
deal
doesn't
go
forward.
E
E
It's
unfortunate
that
the
timing
did
not
align,
but
it
didn't
the
the
stadium
wanted
a
parking
ramp
that
would
be
open
when
the
stadium
opened.
That's
reasonable,
that's
rational,
and
in
coming
to
this,
this
kind
of
merged
interest
solution
here
that
was
a
deal
that
was
struck
a
while
back,
but
but
this
option
is
open
to
the
city.
H
Thank
you,
that's
actually
very
helpful,
so
that
would
show
us
one
option
which
would
cost
us
a
lot
of
money
to
still
meet
the
timeline
and
not
have
to
prematurely
agree
to
a
risky
proposal.
I
just
have
one
more
question
I
wanted
to
ask,
and
this
has
to
do
with
the
city
option,
to
terminate
the
purchase
option.
It
looks
to
me,
like
that's,
that's
a
city
option,
but
that
could
be
vetoed
by
the
vikings.
G
I'm
sure
councilmember
gordon,
I
would
say
there
are
two
triggers
and
that
so
it's
the
commencing
that
our
option
that
commit
there's
this.
The
first
sentence
talks
about
the
commencing
upon
the
earlier
of
a
the
written
approval
of
the
of
the
minnesota
sports
sales
authority
or
b
this.
This
set
date
of
december
31st
2015..
G
So
in
order
for
the
for
the
for
the
clock
to
be
triggered
by
the
first
option,
the
written
approval
of
msfa
we
would
need
consent
from
msfa
would
need
to
gather
consent
from
the
from
the
vikings
to
do
that.
But
if
that
is
not
coming,
we
still
have
the
set
date
of
december
31st.
That
would
trigger
that.
That
would
start
the
clock
and
manager
so.
K
Thank
you,
madam
vice
president.
You
know,
while
I'm
hearing
this
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
mr
mercerlin
is
this
kind
of
the
best
worst-case
scenario
for
us?
You
know
as
a
city
I
mean,
because
you
know
at
this
point
we're
kind
of
late
in
the
game.
Right
I
mean
it's
just
you
know
the
timeline
is
very
short
or
we
just
got
to
move
pretty
quickly.
I
mean
this
is
kind
of
the
best
that
we
can
do
at
this
point.
Is
that
a
fair
characterization
of
this.
G
Madam
chair
councilman
yang
my
view
is
this:
is
the
best
deal
that
we
can
get
from
ryan
and
I
think
that
the
ryan
team
is
the
best
team
to
to
pull
off
this
development.
As
finance
officer
was
saying,
we
want
the
greatest
chances
to
realize
a
development
that's
bigger
rather
than
smaller,
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
I
think
it's
the
consensus
of
the
staff
team
that
this
term
sheet
represents
that
that
opportunity
best.
K
Okay-
and
so
one
of
my
issues
with
this
is
that
you
know
I
mean
some-
I
had
heard
the
term
abate
and
switch.
You
know
in
this
situation,
and
I
I
guess
I
mean
my
concern-
is:
how
do
we
prevent
this
from
happening
in
the
future?
I
mean:
are
we
gonna
set
in
motion?
You
know
some
policies
here
so
that
something
like
this
can
happen
in
the
future,
or
there
are
penalties
to
this
happening
in
the
future
or
just.
G
Madam
chair
councilmember
yang-
I
guess
my
stab
at
an
answer
to
that,
would
be
that
you
know
each
an
rfp
for
each
property
is,
you
know,
presents
its
own
unique
circumstances
in
terms
of
the
conditions
around
it,
and
this
this
rfp
certainly
presented
some
very
unique
conditions,
given
that
it
really
isn't
our
property.
It's
it's
owned
by
someone
else
that
other
that
someone
else
has
some
significant
rights
to
approve
what
happens
on
this
property
as
well
as
that
there
was.
G
You
know,
really
significant
time
and
schedule
constraint
about
how
this
development
could
occur.
I
mean
this.
This
whole
process
has
tried
to
occur
as
fast
as
it
could
so
in
terms
of
whether
this
raises
certain
policy
questions
things
that
we
should
do
differently
in
the
future.
I
think
I
certainly
haven't
had
time
to
reflect
on
that,
but
I
think
that
you
know
with
each
rfp
that
we
try
to
set
the
best
conditions
for
the
circumstances
of
that
property.
I
I
G
Madam
chair
councilmember,
bender
I'll
I'll
start
with
that
answer
on
that,
but
I'll
also
defer
the
city
finance
officer.
If
he
wants
to
add
anything,
I
would
say
the
city
financing
for
the
downtown
east
deal.
We
issued
approximately
62
million
dollars
in
general
obligation
bonds.
There
are
three
buckets
of
costs
that
those
bonds
are
going
towards.
There
are
elements
of
this
project
that
that
that
those
bonds
are
financing.
G
G
So
those
bonds
are
issued
and
they're
the
source
to
paying
back
those
bonds.
There's
at
least
there's
two
dimensions
to
this:
one
is
the
finance
officer
mentioned.
There's
this
initial
period.
It
will
probably
last
about
10
years
where
ryan
is
making
set
guaranteed
payments
to
the
city
of
minneapolis.
G
We
structured
the
bond
issue
and
such
to
match
what
those
set
payments
are
going
to
be
so
for
at
least
the
first
10
years.
Our
bond
debt
service
is
covered
by
those
payments
from
ryan.
Now
ryan
is
willing
to
make
that
guarantee
and
make
those
payments,
because
for
the
for
that,
for
that
period
they
are
the
ones
who
get
the
revenues
from
the
parking
ramp.
G
So
their
projections
of
the
parking
ramp
are
such
that
gave
them
confidence
that
they
could
afford
to
make
those
payments
to
the
city.
There
are
certain
thresholds
related
to
the
revenue
and
performance
of
that
ramp.
That,
at
some
point,
ryan
will
go
away
again.
We
expect
it
around
10
years
and
at
that
point
the
msfa
will
take
back
control
of
the
operations
of
the
ramp
because
keep
in
mind
they're
owning
it.
This
whole
time
but
they'll
take
back
control
the
operations
of
the
ramp.
G
So
that's
how
the
financing
generally
works
in
terms
of
sort
of
cost
benefits
to
the
public,
the
fiscal
impacts
we
we
did
modeling
of
what
the
projected
property
tax
impacts
of
the
broader
downtown
east
project
were.
I
don't
have
those
at
my
fingertips
right
now,
but
certainly
those
are
embedded
in
the
staff
reports
and
materials
from
from
this
project
prior.
J
Madam
sheriff
councilmember
bender
that
was
excellent
miles
well
done
in
its
essence,
with
a
stream
of
cash
future
cash
flow
to
pay
back
and
cover
our
existing
bonded
indebtedness.
We
are
over
time
covered
from
our
financing
obligations
there
and
therefore
condemn
it,
not
funding
anything
but
contributing
from
a
financing
perspective
to
then
get
the
incremental
tax
value
for
all
jurisdictions,
not
just
the
city,
but
also
the
county
and
the
school
district
from
this
development
and
the
public
amenity.
That
is,
the
commons
would
suggest
it
to
us.
I
Just
a
follow-up
question,
then:
I'm
one
of
these
people
that
hope
people
will
drive
less
in
the
future.
And
so
I'm
curious
about
the
dependence
of
the
financing
on
future
parking
revenue.
And
I'm
sure
you've
thought
this
through.
But
just
wondered
if
you
could
respond
to
the
risk
that
we're
taking
on
that.
That,
in
terms
of
the
parking
revenue
past
the
10
years
that
we
have
guaranteed.
J
So
there's
2,
000
stalls
that
contribute
to
the
extent
that
wells,
fargo
and
other
employers
are
growing
in
their
downtown
presence.
The
expectation
would
be
that
some
set
of
those
will
continue
to
require
parking,
so
there's
confidence
there
and
perhaps
most
importantly
in
the
agreements
governing
our
bonded,
our
bond,
offering
we
are
able
to
get
reimbursed
from
any
future
parking
revenues
until
we
have
been
totally
made
whole
on
our
debt
service
payments.
J
So
even
if,
in
one
year,
for
example,
in
that
year,
there's
a
four
million
dollar
debt
service
payment
and
we
only
get
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
from
parking
revenue
that
sort
of
goes
into
the
hopper
and
we
get
that
money
back
eventually.
So
unless
one
assumes
that
those
ramps
stay
largely
empty
for
the
foreseeable
future,
we're
confident
that
our
risk
profile
is
mitigated.
I
I
think
this
week
or
last
week
to
go
through
the
design
details
that
will
help
understand
the
costs
of
that.
So
that
then
all
of
these
actors
in
the
city,
especially
you
know,
council,
member
fry's,
providing
a
lot
of
leadership
here-
can
go.
Find
the
funds
that
we
will
need
to
make
that
successful.
So
thanks
for
their
work
on
that.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It
sounds
like
new
council
members
need
a
briefing
on
downtown
east,
because
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
downtown
east
and
that's
not
really
what
we're
here
to
discuss
today,
but
I
do
want
to
make
a
couple
of
comments
about
downtown
east.
Since
it
came
up-
and
I
do
think
I'm
happy
to
have
a
briefing
in
cd,
I
always
like
to
hear
it
again.
I
think
you
pick
up
something
new
every
time,
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
C
Those
of
us
that
didn't
support
the
funding
of
the
stadium
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
the
stadium
was
going
to
be
in
the
middle
of
us,
our
city
in
an
area
that
could
be
redeveloped,
something
great
happened
as
a
result
of
it
and
bringing
5000
new
jobs
into
downtown
from
wells.
Fargo
was
a
fairly
good
cost
benefit,
not
not
only
the
5000
plus
jobs
from
wells
fargo,
but
three,
three
apartment
buildings
or
condos
that
will
be
built
by
ryan
lining
the
parcels,
as
well
as
a
parcel,
that's
going
to
be
adjacent
to
the
jail.
C
So
I
think
that
in
the
end
it
is
kind
of
a
parking
house
of
cards,
because
it's
using
parking
revenue
and
parking
revenue
bonds
in
order
to
pay
off
the
bonds
to
do
all
of
these
other
things.
But
I
think
we
have
to
remember
that
on
just
on
the
vikings
revenue
alone,
60
000
plus
people
come
to
a
vikings
game
and
there's
maybe
like
5
000
parking
spaces,
so
everyone
cannot
come
and
park
really
close.
C
C
Clearly,
people
will
come
through
other
modes
of
transportation
and
they'll
carpool,
but
these
ramps
are
the
closest,
so
we're
hoping
that
at
least
on
those
days
and
for
other
events,
there
will
be
enough
parking
revenue
and
then
you
add
up
the
wells.
Fargo
employees,
let's
say
half
drive
and
I
think
their
mode
split
right
now
is
about
half.
If
it's
not
most,
businesses
downtown
are
in
the
60
40
50
50
split
they'll
still
be
people
from
wells,
fargo
coming
and
needing
to
park
in
those
ramps
and
there'll
be
people
who
come
to
live
downtown.
C
Who
will
need
parking
for
their
housing?
We
like
to
think
that
people
downtown
don't
need
to
have
cars,
but
the
reality
is
they
still
want
to
have
a
car,
even
if
they
don't
want
to
drive
it.
So
I
I
do
think
the
cost
benefit
with
regard
to
the
overall
east
downtown
project.
Is
there
and
I
appreciate
councilmember
bender
bringing
that
issue
up.
C
What
we're
talking
about
today
is
kind
of
a
subsection
of
the
larger
deal,
which
was,
I
think,
our
staff's,
very
good
thinking
and
mayor
ryback's,
very
good
thinking
that
if
the
sports
facilities
commission
was
putting
up
a
ramp,
we
shouldn't
just
let
them
do
a
ramp.
It
should
be
lined
by
something
potentially
housing.
Maybe
there
should
be
air
rights
on
top
of
it.
We
certainly
don't
want
an
entire
square
block
of
only
a
ramp
with
nothing
on
it
in
that
location,
and
there
were
only
two
bidders
to
the
rfp.
C
I
will
argue-
and
my
friends
at
ryan
will
probably
kick
me
for
saying
this
when
you
control
the
building
of
the
ramp
and
you
control
all
the
knowledge
about
the
cost,
it's
very
hard
for
other
developers
to
come
in
and
make
a
bid
because
they
don't
know
what
the
costs
are,
for
example,
to
reinforce
the
ramp
and
mortenson
said
that
they
essentially
said
we
can't
get
any
information
from
ryan
about
what
it
would
cost
to
reinforce
the
ramp.
So
we
can't
give
you
a
good
estimate
of
that
and
other
developers
just
didn't
fit
at
all.
C
So
ryan
essentially
did
have
the
inside
deal
on
this
because
they
were
already
building
a
ramp,
but
their
money
is
the
same
color
as
everybody
else's
money
and
it's
about
the
same
amount
as
what
we
would
get
from
someone
else,
and
I
think
there
was
a
feeling
to
move
forward.
This
deal
is
different.
Why
is
the
deal
different
well
partially?
The
deal
is
different,
because
we've
had
a
hard
time
figuring
out
how
to
park
the
people
who
would
be
living
in
that
building.
We,
of
course,
would
like
to
see
them
parked
in
the
ramp
itself.
C
The
state
has
said
no.
You
can't
do
that.
That's
something
we
didn't
know
at
that
time
that
we
now
know
so
now.
Magellan
and
ryan
are
saying:
well,
we
have
to
build
some
parking,
and
now
what
we're
doing
is
we're
actually
letting
the
vikings
veto
that
so
I'm
interested
in
mr
mercer's
point
of
view.
If
the
claw
back
or
the
buy
out
option
is
reliant
on
the
vikings
the
trigger
is
the
vikings
and
the
sports
facilities
commission
saying
yes,
it's
okay
to
build
that
seventh
level
and
we
do
think
michelle
come
home
again.
C
G
Madam
chair
councilmember
goodman,
I
would
say
the
vikings
have
power
over
one
of
the
triggers
of
the
of
the
of
the
detail
of
the
termination
option.
So
looking
at
the
language,
it's
the
earlier
of
that
written
receipt,
the
approval
from
msfa
and
the
vikings
for
those
who
are
in
for
the
200
spaces
or
the
set
date
of
december
31st
2015..
So
if
they,
if
the
vikings
or
msfa
just
refuse
to
grant
your
approval
come
december,
31st
then
the
city
has
then
then
the
trip.
Then
the
clock
starts
on
the
city's
termination
option.
C
Right
so
it's
a
pretty
big
risk,
because
the
vikings
know
this
and
so
they're
sitting
out
there
saying
all
we
got
to
do
is
hang
out
for
14
months
and
say
no
and
then
we
we
stifle
those
people
at
ryan
and
stick
the
city
in
the
process
and
what
are
they
going
to
do?
Do
a
new
rfp
and
we
might
do
a
new
rfp
at
that
time
or
we
might
not.
G
G
C
G
Manchester
councilmember
equipment-
we
could
be
sitting
here-
come
december
15th
and
realize
that
timbers
december
5th
or
31st
2015
is
the
start
of
a
clock.
It's
not
so
it'd
be
actually
a
couple
months
after
that.
That
ryan
would
have
some
time
to
submit
their
plans,
but
if
they
have
not
submitted
their
plans,
then
we
could
be
sitting
here
deciding
do
we
want
to
extra.
Do
we
want
to
terminate
their
option
and
pay
the
money
pay
them
back
for
the
for
the
improvements
that
they've
made
to
the
ramp.
C
And
by
then
there
might
not
even
be
a
vikings
deal
so
then,
so
the
vikings
stifle
it
for
15
months
ryan
can't
move
forward.
We
have
to
determine
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
give
them
now.
Eight
seven
years
at
a
sweetheart
deal
60
000
a
year
to
potentially
develop
something
or
we
have
to
do
a
new
rfp
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
opening
of
the
stadium.
E
E
Are
limited
by
the
agreements
between
them
and
the
msfa
and
then
between
the
msfa
and
ryan
in
the
city,
so
they
do
not
have
just
a
discretionary,
unlimited
veto
right.
The
other
point
is
that
the
vikings
have
expressed.
I
assume,
they've
expressed
this
to
members
of
the
council.
I
know
they've
expressed
this
to
us
in
meetings
as
well,
that
they
are
concerned
about
having
the
development
done
before
the
stadium
opens,
because
they
do
not
want
construction
to
occur
after
the
stadium
opens
for
all
sorts
of
reasons,
and
they
want
the
amenity
deck.
E
C
G
Madam
chair
councilmember
goodman
when
we
sell
the
air
rights
to
when
we
sell
the
development
rights
to
ryan
should
be
the
liner
parcel,
as
well
as
the
air
rights
above
the
ramp,
which
would
we
are
selling
both
the
seventh
floor.
Parking
space
for
the
seven
floor
parking
as
well
as
the
space
for
the
eighth
floor
amenity,
deck.
C
Okay,
so
we
should
know
that
in
the
end,
ryan
could
turn
around
and
charge
the
vikings
two
million
dollars
and
they
then
don't
pay
anything.
So
that
seems
like
something
we've
left
on
the
table
that
we
perhaps
should
not
have
left
on
the
table.
What
we're
selling
is
the
liner
parcel
right
really
and
because
we're
not
building
anything
on
top
of
the
seventh
floor,
except
for
this
parking
deck
that
they
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
get
permission
for,
but
we
should
be
aware,
then
we
could
fool
us
once.
Shame
on
us.
C
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I've
got
like
15
points
that
I
want
to
address
here
that
I
think
should
help
clear
a
whole
lot
of
this
up.
The
first
is
the
first
is
the
the
trigger
of
the
buyback
option.
Council
member
goodman
pointed
out
that
the
the
trigger
of
the
buyback
option
is
dependent
on
approval
of
the
stalls.
You
know
that
that
this
is
not
something
that
was
unintentional.
F
We
we
did
this
on
purpose,
and
it's
because
you
know
nobody's
been
saying
it
yet,
but
up
until
this
point
a
lot
of
the
difficulty
in
getting
this
done.
A
big
reason
for
the
drop
in
the
price
has
been
won:
the
approval
of
the
200
additional
stalls
and
two
the
ingress
and
egress
from
that
ramp,
in
other
words
at
least
thus
far.
F
There
has
not
been
an
allowance
by
the
vikings
to
have
people
from
the
residential
that
is
proposed
to
be
built
leave
during
the
second
half
of
the
game.
That
egress
would
account
for
approximately
30
seconds
of
additional
time
so
to
get
additional
economic
development
to
have
eyes
on
the
park
to
to
re,
to
generate
tax
revenue.
They
would
not
allow
30
seconds
now.
F
F
Then
you
know
the.
I
think
council
member
goodman
also
brought
up
the
the
amenity
deck
on
top.
I
think
approximately
two-thirds
of
that
amenity
deck
is
to
be
used
by
the
residential
itself,
the
remaining
one-third.
Yes,
it
could
ultimately
be
sold
to
the
vikings.
That's
one
of
the
benefits
that
ryan
gets
from
that
deal.
They've
agreed
to
a
whole
bunch
of
other
concessions,
since
that
are
benefits
to
our
to
us
to
our
city
and
then
to
address
just
a
couple
of
councilmember
gordon's
points.
Why
can't
we
wait
right
now?
F
One
of
them,
which
I
think
has
been
exhausted
at
this
point-
is
the
bond
issue.
We
need
to
get
the
return
on
our
city
bonds,
the
sooner
the
better,
and
if
we've
got
the
parking
being
built
after
that
january
of
2016
time
frame,
then
we
and
or
ryan
are
losing
about
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
per
month
going
forward
because
that's
approximate,
that's
the
approximate
amount
that
we
of
revenue
that
we
would
be
generating
from
that
ramp.
That
would
be
going
to
pay
off
the
bonds
for
the
yard.
F
Next
point
is
why
we
need
to
do
this
sooner
rather
than
later,
regardless
of
whether
we're
going
with
ryan
or
somebody
else's,
I
mean
ryan's,
got
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
they're
putting
up
front
right
now,
that's
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
need
to
then
dump
into
the
design
and
the
consultant
that
we're
planning
on
hiring
for
the
yard.
So
we
need
we
need
this
money
now
we
need
to
be
moving
forward
now,
regardless
of
whether
it's
ryan
or
somebody
else,
and
I
I
just
really
want
to
reiterate
this
point.
F
You
know
we
are
expecting
all
parties
in
this
whole
operation
right
here
to
be
to
be
to
be
negotiating
and
and
operating
in
in
good
faith.
We've
got,
you
know,
15
trillion
different
cooks
in
the
kitchen
right
now,
we've
got
the
msfa,
we've
got
the
vikings,
we've
got
the
city,
we've
got
ryan
and
wells
fargo,
and
you
know
I
would
say
it
is
not.
F
It
is
not
operating
in
good
faith
if
you're
refusing
to
allow
200
additional
stalls
which
they
contemplated
building
themselves,
one
and
two,
if
they're
refusing
to
allow
ingress
or
egress
from
a
ramp
30
additional
seconds.
If
you
know,
council
member
bender
correctly
pointed
out
that
the
parking
should
not
it's
frustrating.
The
parking
is
the
central
issue.
To
this
whole
thing,
I
agree
it
would
be
even
more
frustrating
if
one
parking
is
the
central
issue
and
two
30
seconds
of
leaving
that
parking
becomes
the
the.
H
My
question
is:
will
there
be
some
time
and
potential
for
term
sheet
modifications
between
now
and
friday
if
they
seem
desirable?
I'm
still
hearing
concerns
from
the
council
members
up
here
and
maybe
there's
some
reassurances.
We
could
even
get
from
other
folks
before
friday
about
these
the
seventh
story,
but
there's
the
amenity,
deck
and
there's
other
issues
so
well.
There
will
be
some
more
opportunities.
It's
wednesday,
we've
got
a
little
bit
of
time.
It
seemed
there
was
a
good
turnaround
on
this
term
sheet
from
the
monday
meeting.
G
H
G
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It
seems
to
me,
since
the
original
rfp
was
put
out,
we've
announced
that
we've
been
selected
as
a
super
bowl
city,
and
we
might
even
have
potentially
more
interest
in
this
just
curious
if
it
was
to
go
back
out
for
rfp
and
then
ryan
and
mortensen
and
the
vikings
and
perhaps
others
might
put
forward
proposals.
How
long
would
a
process
like
that
take
potentially
if
it
was
maybe
obviously
considering
the
timelines
here
a
shortened
process
or
something
like
that
roughly?
What
are
we
talking
about
in
terms
of
timing.
G
G
That's
that's
how
long
we
gave
in
the
first
rfp
and
then
upon
those
response
receiving
those
responses,
there'd
be
a
period
of
staff
review
and
then
working
towards
a
city
council
action
to
designate
adult
developer
now
in
the
last
rfp
that
process
took
about
six
weeks,
so
we're
looking
ahead
at
the
council
cycle,
our
council
calendar
and
considering
that
they're.
You
know
some
weeks
off
around
thanksgiving
we're.
We
were
estimating
that
at
the
earliest.
G
We
could
come
to
council
with
a
designation
action
in
december,
whether
it
be
the
first
or
probably,
actually
probably
the
second
cycle
in
december,
so
that
last
cycle
of
the
year-
and
I
think
that
would
be
the
the
earliest
we
could
do.
And
so
then
we
would
still
need
a
period
that
would
be
the
designation
action
and
then,
if
as
we
did
in
this
case,
we
designated,
but
then
we
had
to
negotiate
a
term
sheet
so
how
long
it
would
take
to
reach
the
point
we
are
today.
G
So,
madam
chair
councilmember
johnson,
in
terms
of,
could
we
get
something
on
the
development
rights
built
by
the
super
bowl
if
we
went
out
the
new
rfp
thinking
about
that
quickly?
So
let's
say
we
reach
a
deal
middle
of
next
year
by
middle
next
year
we
there's
a
couple
months
to
get
entitlements
and
approve
city
approvals
and
close
but
say
by
the
end
of
next
year.
Let's
say
construction
could
start
on
a
project
2000
spring
2016
yeah.
G
G
Madam
chair
councilmember
johnson,
I
would
say
that
this,
the
ramp
project
is
happening
on
its
own
time
frame.
That
ryan
is
working
on
that
right
now,
they're
finalizing
the
design
working
on
getting
building
permits,
securing
subcontractors
and
we'll
start
work
ordering
materials
and
really
be
starting
work
next
next
month.
So
they
are
on
track
to
finish
that
ramp
by
the
end
of
2015,
plus
or
minus.
L
C
C
A
All
right,
thank
you,
everyone.
I
appreciate
your
patience.
I
know
this
was
an
extremely
long
discussion,
but
it
was
a
it's
a
very
important
project
and
I
know
people
had
questions.
So.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
your
patience.
We
still
have
reports
from
one
two,
three,
four
five
committees
and
I
might
urge
colleagues
to
focus
on
what
you
think
are
highlights:
health,
energy
and
community
engagement
is
the
next
committee
with
council
member
gordon,
as
the
chair.
H
A
K
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
vice
president.
The
committee
will
be
affording
13
items,
most
items
refer
to
special
service
districts
and
the
typical
operations
this
season
with
road
repair
and
sidewalk
repair.
I
will
highlight
that
we
have
a
draft
2040
transportation
policy
plan
that
we'll
be
making
comments
on
our
staff
had
made
comments
and
we
reviewed
them
in
committee.
We'll
have
an
additional
amendment
to
that.
That
basically
refers
to
streetcars,
and
this
was
a
request
of
the
mech
council
separately
and
earlier.
M
We
thought
it'd
be
appropriate
to
move
it
forward
in
this
body
of
comments
and
then
also
item
eight,
which
is
a
municipal
parking
lot.
Resolution
there'll
be
an
amendment
to
that
that
just
adjusts
the
dollar
amount
of
her
removal
of
duplicate
expense
costs
that
were
noticed
after
our
committee
meeting,
but
that'll
stand
for
questions.
A
N
Thank
you,
madam
vice
president
ways
and
means
committee
will
bring
forward
29
items
for
your
consideration
on
friday.
I
think
they're
all
fairly
routine
contract,
extensions
and
amendments
of
existing
programs,
acceptance
of
some
various
gifts
and
some
office
space
agreements
of
note.
I
would
like
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things.
One
was
the
approval
of
executing
contract
with
taser
international
and
vievu
in
the
amount
of
85
thousand
dollars
each
to
provide
equipment,
service
and
video
storage
for
test
and
evaluation
of
officer,
worn
body
cameras.
N
The
other
item
of
note
also
related
to
public
safety,
was
the
ins
authorizing
the
executing
a
tenure
license
and
power
agreement
with
excel
energy
to
for
installation
of
a
number
of
public
safety
camera
installations
in
in
minneapolis
primary
all
in
north
minneapolis?
Actually,
so
this
was
held
over
from
a
cycle,
but
moving
forward
now
with
a
reduced
amount.
N
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
have
two
items
to
forward
from
the
zoning
and
planning
committee
meeting.
The
first
is
regarding
farm
stand,
regulations
which
are
zoning
code
text.
Amendments
to
allow
farm
stands
that
to
change
the
way
we
permit
farm
stands
in
the
city
to
allow
them
as
accessory
uses
instead
of
a
separate
permit,
and
the
second
is
the
historic
designation
of
the
webster
diner
residence,
and
this
was
brought
forward
by
the
owner
of
the
property
who's,
the
son
of
the
original
owner
and
in
the
seventh
ward.
A
L
You,
madam
chair,
and
I
just
want
to
call
this
out
for
council
members.
It
does
require
just
a
little
procedural
handling.
That's
different
because
the
resolution
for
friday
is
is
based
on
and
dependent
on,
the
passage
of
via
council
vote
of
a
pretty
non-controversial
consent
item
that
will
be
good
for
small
businesses,
customers
and
equity
inequality
in
our
city,
but
because
of
obviously
its
dependence
on
that
vote.
We
want
to
be
careful
in
terms
of
quorum
issues
normally
with
resolutions.
L
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
didn't
it
didn't,
have
anything
to
do
with
the
ways
and
means
agenda
specifically,
but
I
did
want
to
announce
to
my
colleagues
and
remind
folks
of
the
public
hearings
that
are
underway
for
the
budget
cycle.
We
had
our
first
yesterday
from
you
know
in
the
afternoon
covering
a
variety
of
departments.
N
The
next
one
is
scheduled
on
thursday,
so
I
remind
council
members
to
feel
free
to
attend
those
they're
a
great
way
to
hear
what
the
departments
are
being
offering
through
the
recommended
budget
and
ask
questions
of
that
process.
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
people
of
that
process
and
also
that
board
of
estimate
taxation
will
be
meeting
today
this
evening
to
set
the
public
levy
amount.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
on
zoning
and
planning
item
number
one.
I'm
somewhat
surprised
that
no
one
wanted
to
bring
up
this
issue
or
discuss
it
out
loud.
Yet
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
behind
the
scenes,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
conversation
via
email,
as
well
as
incorrect
information
and
accusations
going
around.
So
I
would
hardly
call
this
minor
changes
to
the
farmstead
ordinance.
C
Is
it
just
because
you're
just
going
to
change
it
and
push
it
through
on
friday,
we
were
happy
to
talk
about
the
ryan
thing
for
an
hour,
but
given
the
emails,
I've
heard,
given
the
emails
I've
received
from
people
and
the
really
hateful
nasty
voicemails
that
have
come
in
accusing
me
of
basically
loving
potato
chips
and
hating
local
food,
I'm
somewhat
surprised
that
this
hasn't
come
up.
Why
hasn't
this
come
up
in
the
meeting
today?
Okay,.
A
H
Thank
you,
and
I,
madam
vice
president,
I
did
take
the
opportunity
after
the
committee
meeting
to
to
visit
with
both
council
member
goodman
and
johnson
about
the
concerns
about
the
farm
stand
ordinance
that
I
authored
they
came
through
right
now,
there's
two
options
that
I'm
looking
at
considering,
and
I
also
understand
that
the
committee
chair
is
looking
at
a
substitute
motion,
I'm
very
interested
in
allowing
the
sales
at
the
community
gardens
in
the
review
that
we
did.
There
was
not
one
single
complaint
about
it.
H
Essentially,
we
found
that
what
the
ordinance
that
we
passed
was
unconstitutional.
We
couldn't
require
permits
for
this.
So
for
the
past
two
years
everyone
has
been
able
to
do
all
the
sales
they
want
at
community
gardens
whenever
they
want
to
nobody,
expects
anybody
to
do
75
days.
In
fact,
I'd
be
very
surprised
if
the
community
gardens
do
very
many
at
all,
but
this
is
just
opening
it
up.
That's
saying
you
can
figure
out
when
you
have
something
that's
worthy
to
sell
and
you
can
sell
it.
H
I
actually
think
it's
something
that
people
will
embrace.
So,
as
a
author
of
the
ordinance
and
after
all
the
work
that
I
went
through
with
the
food
council
and
the
planning
commission,
I
actually
appreciated
one
of
the
amendments.
The
committee
did
to
extend
the
the
hours
so
that
it
didn't
end
at
seven.
H
I
appreciated
that,
but
I
have
concerns
about
the
other
amendment
that
essentially
prohibits
sales
ever
from
any
community
garden,
because
that
was
just
stripped
out
of
the
ordinance,
so
I'm
looking
at
putting
it
back
in
I'm
also
looking
at
and
working
with,
council
member
reich
a
fallback
compromise.
If
that
isn't
the
will
of
the
council
as
well,
and
I
wasn't
trying
to
hide
that
from
anybody
and
I'm
sorry
if
it
looks
that
way
to
anybody.
A
D
D
Could
walk,
could
have
money
out
that
kind
of
thing,
and
I
think
it
deserves
a
legitimate
review
in
front
of
neighborhood
associations
or
the
you
know
the
people,
people
who
would
be
affected
by
this,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
raising
the
awareness
of
the
potential
of
this
that
I
think
merits
some
public
discussion
and
information
and
realistically,
if
you
think
about
it,
it's
not
going
to
affect
this
year
anyway.
I
suppose,
if
we
did
it
today,
people
could
have
some
stands.
This
is
september
what
16th
17th?
D
We
don't
have
much
time
left
this.
This
growing
season,
I
suppose,
squash
or
whatever,
but
we
are
talking
about
people
being
able
to
have
a
stand
in
selling,
produce
in
front
of
their
their
community
garden,
the
community
garden
that
they
belong
to
next,
to
someone's
home
potentially,
and
I
think
it
just
it
would
be
worth
talking
to
neighbors
about
if
they
think
if
75
is,
is
too
many
or
and
we
had
what
was
our
number
before
councilman
gordon
15,
yes,
15.,
maybe
there's
a
place
in
between
there.
D
That
makes
some
sense,
but
this
is
this
has
not
been
vetted
by
the
community.
That's
going
to
be
affected
by
it
and
I'll
tell
you
right
now
again,
guess
where
this
is
going
to
happen
in
in
my
neighborhoods
that
are
already
getting
pressure
to
use
some
of
these
lots
that
have
been
developed
because
of
tornado
damage.
Because
of
foreclosures.
D
You
know,
council,
member,
paul,
masano's
award,
they
tear
a
house
down
and
build
a
new
house.
We
got
all
these
empty
lots
of
north
minneapolis.
This
is
where
it's
going
to
happen.
So
I
guess
we
want
to.
We
want
to
have
a
fulsome
discussion
with
neighbors
about
this
going
forward
and
I
do
not
appreciate
being
called
names
by
the
advocates
for
this.
That
is
really
frustrating
and
I
think
very
unfortunate.
C
C
My
concern
has
to
do
with
the
amount
of
citizen
participation
and
a
change
in
a
residential
zoning
district
turning
into
commercial,
and
I
want
to
use
the
example
of
accessory
dwelling
units
and
what's
happening
in
my
ward
right
now.
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
about
accessory
dwelling
units
for
three
months.
We've
been
talking
about
accessory
dwelling
units
in
five
of
the
neighborhoods
in
my
ward,
and
there
were
a
number
of
community
meetings
added
as
soon
as
there
was
a
discussion
about
it
and
people
understood
what
the
possibilities
might
or
might
not
be.
C
A
lot
of
the
concerns
went
away,
in
fact
we're
having
a
community
meeting
about
this.
In
my
ward
tonight,
I've
had
three
months
of
discussion
with
five
different
neighborhoods
and
we've
been
able
to
assuage
a
lot
of
concerns
and,
and
that
process
has
gotten
us
to
a
much
more
amenable
solution.
I
think
council
member
bender
would
agree.
I
started
out
saying
no
freaking
way
to
that.
That's
terrible!
My
constituents
are
going
to
hate
it
and
with
a
lot
of
education,
they
really
don't
hate
it
that
much.
C
Knowing
that
people
who
are
affected
by
this
would
care
and
and
were
consulted,
and
what
I
I
don't
agree
on
is
we
were
elected,
we
know
what's
best,
we
don't
need
to
ask
anyone
their
permission.
That's
the
piece
I
object
to.
If
this
was
holding
up
something,
that
would
be
one
thing,
but
this
has
been
built
by
whoever
staff
advocates
as
though,
if
you
don't
support
selling
things
in
a
residential
neighborhood
75
days
a
year,
you're
against
zucchini-
and
I
have
received
really
hateful
nasty
phone
calls
and
emails
about
this.
C
And
so
it
tells
me
there's
some
misinformation
out
there
and
it
can
be
easily
resolved
through
better
communication,
and
I
would
hope
that
those
working
on
these
amendments
seriously
consider
my
request,
because
in
the
end,
you
might
end
up
with
the
full
75
days
when
you
find
out
that
people
don't
really
mind
when
they
understand.
What's
going
on.
C
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
First,
I
want
to
say
shame
on
any
advocates
that
vilify
our
council
members
for
looking
out
for
their
constituents
and
raising
concerns.
I
don't
think
that
that's
appropriate.
Certainly
people
can
put
out
their
support
and
I
think
it's
helpful
to
hear
from
people
their
perspectives
on
things,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
vilifying
our
council
members
regarding
their
positions
or
asking
questions
on
this.
L
Second
off.
I
want
to
be
clear
on
what
this
is
because
of
the
state
constitution.
We
can't,
from
my
understanding,
put
restrictions
on
people
selling
produce,
so
that
can
happen.
We're
talking
about
the
actual
farm
stands
the
actual
structures.
Do
we
want
to
allow
a
structure
on
a
person's
property
to
sell
their
produce?
L
Third,
I
want
to
mention
the
process
piece.
My
understanding
is
that
this
was
noticed,
like
our
other
changes,
that
our
neighborhood
associations
received
notice
of
this,
like
our
other
changes,
that
there
was
a
public
hearing,
like
our
other
changes,
that
this
has
gone
through,
essentially
the
same
process
that
most
of
our
changes
go
through,
certainly
with
some
very
large
changes.
I
think
we
see
folks
going
above
and
beyond
to
make
sure
that
there
is
just
really
a
a
very
substantial
additional
level
of
input
based
on
the
potential
impact
of
a
change.
L
I
know
accessory
dwelling
units,
that's
one
of
those
that
we've
seen
a
lot
of
community
engagement
around
because,
for
instance,
our
homeowners
that
are
selling
gonna
feel
pressured
by
their
real
estate
agents
to
suddenly
build
on
this
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
suddenly
we're
seeing
that
pressure
of.
Oh,
you
can
get
more
money
when
you
sell
driving
this
without
an
actual
need
in
our
city
for
it.
L
From
my
understanding,
there's
been
only
two
requests
for
farm
stands
in
the
entire
city,
certainly
with
this
change.
Maybe
in
10
years
there's
200
stands
out
there,
but
when
it
comes
to
a
residential
lot,
that's
in
between,
let's
say
two
homes:
that's
only
one
regular
lot.
I
don't
anticipate
that
we
will
have
farm
stands
up
there
for
75
days
out
of
the
year,
because
you
simply
can't
grow
enough
tomatoes
on
that
lot
and
you
don't
have
the
resources
to
extend
and
buy
so
many
lots
and
consolidate
and
bring
them
all
to
that
location.
L
That
would
make
that
feasible.
Where
I
see
the
additional
use
of
these
days
would
especially
be
big
community
gardens
such
as
dowling
community
garden
and
my
ward,
which
is
on
several
blocks
and
has
a
lot
of
produce
being
grown
so
putting
that
all
in
perspective,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
process
where
it's
been
personally,
I'm
obviously
respect
and
appreciate
the
interests
of
colleagues
who
are
looking
for
additional
engagement
as
well
around
this,
and,
I
think
all
in
all.
L
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
also
wanted
to
address
some
of
the
process.
Concerns
and
council
member
johnson
mentioned
some
of
these
things,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
knows
that
the
all
of
the
neighborhood
organizations
in
the
city
received
a
notification
of
the
planning
commission
hearing
about
this
item
which
occurred
on
august
11th.
I
If
I
recall
correctly,
three
people
spoke
all
in
favor
of
the
ordinance,
so
I
know
that
you
know.
Sometimes
it
can
be
hard
to
keep
track
of
everything
that's
happening
and
that
the
fact
that
the
hearings
are
decoupled
they're.
All
of
our
zoning
changes
go
through
the
planning
commission
I'll
commit
to
doing
a
better
job
of
communicating
as
committee
chair
that
so
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
when
things
are
happening
and
things
are
coming
up
on
our
on
through
that
process.
I
So
I
apologize
if,
if
I
could
have
done
a
better
job
with
that,
I,
but
I
did
want
to
make
sure
everyone
knew
that
the
normal
official
process
that
we
follow
for
community
engagement
around
city-wide
policy
changes
was
followed
in
this.
This
ordinance
change.
You
know
my
time
here.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
different
levels
of
engagement
about
about
policy
changes
that
we
make
I've
seen
some
go
through
with
one
community
meeting
like
the
one
to
fours
zoning
text,
amendments
that
we
made
earlier.
I
So
I
just
think
some
of
those
questions
might
be
bigger
policy
questions
about
how
we
expect
to
do
community
engagement,
around
citywide
policy
changes,
and
I'm
committed
to
talking
with
my
colleagues
about
how
we
can
do
the
best
job
possible
to
make
sure
our
constituents
are
all
able
to
engage
in
these
important
discussions
on
the
substance
of
the
ordinance.
I
just
wanted
to
voice
why
I'm
supportive?
This
is
something
I've
heard
about
a
lot
from
my
constituents
and
I
have
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
these
in
my
award.
I
I
This
is
not
a
very
lucrative,
I
would
say
you
know
enterprise,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
the
people
I
know
who
are
growing
food
in
the
city,
do
it
because
they
love
it
because
they're
committed
to
providing
fresh,
healthy
foods
in
our
communities.
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
in
my
word,
love
to
see
the
community
gardens
outside
of
within
their
neighborhoods
and
would
love
to
be
able
to
walk
home
from
the
bus.
I
A
All
right,
I
just
have
a
question.
This
is
probably
for
the
for
the
author
and
I
apologize
it's
a
little
bit
of
my
ignorance
and
just
making
sure
I'm
understanding
that
the
change
that's
at
issue
and
again
thank
you,
councilmember
goodman,
sometimes
one
person
opening
the
on
the
door
of
the
conversation
you
know
starts
the
dialogue.
So
I
think
you
definitely
did
that.
A
I
don't
know
what
you
say:
farmers
growers
from
selling
their
their
produce
and
are
you
you
can't
require
a
permit
or
license
or
something
they
have
to
pay
for,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand,
because
I
think
I
think
I
had
not
quite
understood
the
difference
between
what
they
can
do
today
per
the
constitution
and
what
the
change
would
involve.
So
today
you
know
like
they
can
make.
A
You
know
put
out
a
bunch
of
pumpkins,
I
guess
on
the
on
the
on
the
property
they
own
and
and
stand
out
there
and
and
they
can
sell
those
pumpkins.
But
if
they
want
to
use
a
card
table.
Is
that
then
a
farm
stand?
I'm
just
I'm
sorry
to
ask
such
maybe
a
stupid
question,
but
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
difference
between
what
today,
someone
can
do
at
this
community
garden
and
then
what
the
change
would
actually
involve.
H
I
think
that
you're
pretty
accurate.
I
think
that
council
vice
president.
I
think
because
of
the
unconstitutionality
of
it
we
it's
very
difficult
for
us
to
say
you
can't
sell
your
produce
anywhere
in
the
city,
so
I
think
we
couldn't
require
a
permit.
We
couldn't
require
a
fee
and
in
fact
we
probably
can't
say
you
can't
sell
that
because
they'd
say
well,
I'm
just
selling
my
apples
or
something,
but
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
regulate
the
farm
stand
and
the
other
accessories
that
go
with
it,
including
advertising.
H
So
there's
talk
about
when
you
can
have
a
sign
up
how
big
the
sign
could
be
when
you
can
have
your
stand
up,
which
could
be
your
card
table
and
that
and
limiting
that
I
think
right
now,
at
a
community
garden.
If
somebody
wanted
to
sell
the
food,
we
wouldn't
do
anything
because
we
found
out
our
ordinance
was
unconstitutional.
So
for
the
last
two
years
they've
been
able
to
sell
this
food.
If
they
put
up
a
sign
and
did
other
things
we
would
we
would
go
in
and
tell
them.
H
A
A
More
tiny
question:
here
again,
I
apologize.
This
is
like
in
the
weeds,
probably
more
than
anybody
cares.
But
so
is
there
a
definition
of
what
is
a
farm
stand
I
mean
so
do
we
know
that
if
you
use
the
so
use
the
card
table
example
that
when
you
do
that,
then
you're
in
the
vicinity
of
that
that's
a
farm
stand
or.
H
I
just
wanted
to
to
admit
that
I'm
given
the
discussion
on
what
happened
at
the
committee,
I
have
been
kicking
myself
thinking.
Oh,
I
could
have
done
more
community
engagement
with
this.
I
certainly
noticed
it
in
my
newsletters,
like
I
do
other
things
that
come
up,
that
I
think
that
my
neighborhoods
want
to
hear
about
like
the
60
40
change,
that
we're
doing
with
the
food
ratio
and
alcohol
and
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
everybody
hears
about
these
things
and
knows
about
them
and
and
has
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in.
H
You
know
I'll
note
that
for
conservation
districts
for
commercial
recycling
I
mean
I
went
around
with
a
one-pager
and
offered
to
meet
with
all
business
associations
or
in
one
case
in
neighborhood
groups
with
another,
and
I'd
still
be
happy
to
be
happy
to
help.
Do
that?
No
matter
what
the
outcome
of
this
is
to
see,
if
it
requires
some
modifications
in
the
future.
A
F
C
This
regular
notice,
so
in
my
ward,
there
are
no
staff
people
in
most
of
these
neighborhoods.
So
what
they
get
is
a
po
box
with
a
letter
that
says,
there's
going
to
be
these
changes
and
then
it
has
a
whole
list
of
changes
and
there
isn't
any
objection
to
eliminating
the
fees.
There's
no
objection
to
actually
operating
these
farmsteads
and
commercial
areas,
including
every
zoning
district
we
have,
except
for
our
one
two
and
three
so
downtown.
I
have
an
elliott
park,
community
garden,
it's
in
an
or3
and
r6
area,
they're
used
to
commercial
activity.
C
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
My
concern
is
where
it's
simply
r1
and
r2
and
r3
really
limited
zoning
having
a
commercial
activity
and
when
you
get
something
in
the
mail
from
the
city
saying
we're
going
to
have.
These
changes
come
to
the
planning
commission.
Most
of
these
people
to
one
person
who
picks
up
the
information
they
don't
read
through
every
one
of
the
changes.
I
didn't
even
know
the
change
and
I'm
sure
council
member
reich
will
be
kicking
himself.
C
C
So
I
don't
think
the
notice
was
adequate,
given
the
complexity
and
the
change
of
the
use
within
a
specific
zoning
district.
Although
I
acknowledge
that
it's
the
same
process,
we
always
go
through
I've
pointed
out.
I
don't
think
that
same
process
was
workable
here
and
all
I'm
asking
for
is
to
give
them
some
those
groups,
some
time
and
feedback
to
be
able
to
deal
with
this.
I
have
no
objection
to
the
15
days.
I
obviously
don't
want
to
pay
a
fee.
C
I
moved
to
strike
the
word
community
garden
because
I
felt
that
was
more
residentially
focused
in
an
r1
or
two
or
three,
whereas
I
felt
market
gardens
and
the
kind
of
gardens
council,
member
ben
bender
speaks
to
and
the
farmers
market
in
minneapolis
are
already
in
commercial
areas
having
commercial
operations.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
those
things.