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Minneapolis Transportation & Public Works Committee Meeting
A
A
A
I'll
call
this
meeting
to
order
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
transportation
public
works
committee.
This
day
september,
23
2014,
I'm
councilman
reich.
I
will
chair
the
committee.
I
am
joined
by
council
members,
glidden
palmisano
and
gordon.
We
have
a
quorum
of
committee
and
can
proceed
with
today's
agenda.
A
Today
we
do
have
nine
consent
items
and
three
discussion
items.
I
will
you
know
join
by
council
member
bender.
Thank
you
and
I'll
go
through
the
consent
items.
If
any
member
of
the
committee
wishes
to
pull
a
consent
item
for
discussion,
please
indicate
that
item.
One
is
the
non-governmental
tax-exempt,
parcel
street
light
operation,
fee
assessment
and
that's
an
action
to
designate
the
city-wide
streetlight
operations.
Fee
assessments
against
properties
exempt
from
ad
valorem
taxes
and
set
public
hearings
to
be
held
on
november
10
2014.
A
item
three:
is
the
15th
and
16th
avenue
south
bridges
over
midtown
greenway
rehabilitation
project
authorized
increase
to
the
contract
of
ls
black
contractors
incorporated
by
one
hundred
and
seventy
eight
thousand
six
hundred
seventy
four
dollars
and
fifty
four
cents
for
a
revised
contract,
total
of
two
million
six
thousand
twenty
four
dollars
and
twenty
three
cents
to
allow
payment
for
the
additional
work
to
be
performed
as
part
of
the
federal
project.
Funds
are
available
within
the
existing
project
budget
and
no
additional
appropriation
is
required.
A
Item
four:
is
the
green
core
host
site
agreement
authorized
execution
of
an
agreement
with
the
minnesota
minnesota
pollution
control
agency
for
solid
waste
and
recycling
of
property
services
to
host
a
green
core
member
for
the
2014-2015
budget?
That
item
will
be
referred
to
the
ways
and
means
committee
item.
Five.
Is
the
government
center
parking
ramp?
A
Funds
are
available
within
the
existing
project
that
I
don't
refer
to
the
ways
and
means
committee
item
six
is
the
authorized
public
works
to
apply
for
grant
funding
and
negotiate
a
grant
agreement
with
the
metropolitan
council
environmental
services,
municipal
infiltration,
inflow
grant
program
for
reimbursement
of
expenses
for
the
sip
carried
in
place,
pipelining
and
repair
of
existing
sewers
item?
Seven
is
the
zombie
pub
crawl
block
event
approve
application
for
a
large
block
event
to
be
held
on
october
11
2014
to
operate
outside
the
time
frame
of
loud
under
ordinance
item.
A
The
action
requested
is
refer,
whatever
work
needs
to
be
done
to
staff.
So
those
are
the
consent
types
before
us.
Does
anyone
want
to
pull
any
item?
Seeing
none?
I
will
move
all
nine
items,
as
stated
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
this
empty
name,
those
items
care.
We
can
now
move
to
our
discussion
items
starting
with
the
on-street
parking
mobile
payment
system,
director
cocky.
C
Good
morning,
chairman
reich
council
members
of
this
committee.
My
name
is
ronnie
toledo,
I'm
a
parking
systems
analyst
with
traffic
and
parking
services
I
want
to.
I
want
to
begin
this
presentation
with
a
brief
summary
on
of
our
on-street
meter
system,
starting
in
2010.
Public
works
started
to
deploy
new
parking
meter
technology
prior
to
that
we
had
the
old
technology
where
it
only
accepted
coins.
C
Benefits
for
a
mobile
payment
system
to
the
customer.
Customers
can
pay
parking
in
their
cars
during
unpleasant
weather,
like
we
had
last
winter,
where
it
was
below
zero.
Most
of
the
time,
customers
can
receive
text
notifying
them
when
their
parking
time
is
about
to
expire,
so
they
could
actually
add
time
to
from
any
location
where
they're
at
to
add
time
up
to
the
parking
limit.
C
Benefits
to
the
city
may
reduce
credit
card
fees.
This
is
an
added
benefit
to
the
customer
and
customer
absorbs
the
user
fee
if
they
choose
to
use
the
service
benefits.
Other
benefits
to
the
city
is
it's
minimal
to
no
cost
for
the
city
to
implement
and
and
ongoing
support.
It
also
may
reduce
future
capital
costs
or
parking
equipment.
C
C
The
evaluation
team
narrowed
the
submittals
to
three
finalists
and
these
three
finals
were
invited
to
clarify
aspects
of
their
submittals
via
smart
board
meetings
and
other
communications
to
the
evaluation
team.
The
evaluation
team
individually
reviewed
and
scored
the
three
finals
based
on
the
evaluation
criteria
listed
in
front
of
you.
C
C
The
next
steps
staff
will
negotiate
with
park
mobile
once
terms
have
been
finalized.
Public
works
will
return
to
council
and
seek
authorization
to
enter
into
contract.
The
pro
this
project
will
be
implemented
in
three
phases.
The
first
phase
is
limited
to
an
area
to
develop
the
rate
structure
test.
The
enforcement
application,
with
with
with
a
mobile
payment,
gather
customer
feedback
and
look
at
the
reporting
tools
that
the
company
will
offer.
C
D
C
C
D
E
Maybe
I'm
reading
this
wrong,
but
I
see
that
you
have
a
test
proposed
and
then
I
assume
you
do
some
evaluation
of
the
service
provided
within
that
test
and
you're
going
to
expand
the
test
to
have
some
some
broader
array.
But
how
does
that
timeline
coincide
with
your
contract
negotiations,
because
you're
going
to
come
back
to
us
to
approve
the
contract.
F
E
Well,
maybe
I
will
ask
for
a
little
more
off
offline
conversation,
but
it
just
seems
to
me
how
we're
going
to
incorporate
elements
that
may
come
up
in
the
test
that
are
unique
to
minneapolis
if
we've
negotiated
the
contract
before
we
do
the
test
I
just
anyway
so
so
that
would
be
one
question
then
the
other
question
I
just
have
is:
can
you
give
us
a
little
bit
more
of
a
flavor
of
what
put
this
particular
vendor
over
the
top?
I
know
you've
got
a
pretty
sophisticated
scoring
mechanism.
C
The
the
scoring
system-
it
was,
it
was
relatively
close,
but
it
was.
It
was
based
on
the
criteria
that
you
see
there,
what
put
them
over
the
top
for
in
particularly
they're
a
leader
in
the
in
the
us
since
2009,
they
have
proven
deployments
in
other
cities
similar
to
the
size
of
minneapolis,
and
currently
they
integrate
both
with
our
cala
meter
system
and
with
our
duncan
handheld
enforcement
system.
That's
another
reason
why
we
we
they
were
chosen
by
the
committee.
C
They
also
have
a
potential
permit
parking
solution
that
they
they
mentioned
to
us,
some
that
wasn't
part
of
the
rfp.
But
we
asked
for
information
regarding
that
so,
but
that
wasn't
part
of
the
score,
but
they
had.
They
do
offer
that
and
there's
a
potential
of
off-street
and
surface
slot
mobile
payments
that
they
have
offerings
to
that
may
be
used
in
the
future
in
our
parking
system.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
toledo,
a
couple
of
the
things
that
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
the
other
finalists
ranked
in
these,
but
things
that
of
our
are
of
particular
importance
to
me,
for
the
city
include
that
this
application
is
free
to
residents.
While
with
more
adoption
of
these
kinds
of
technologies,
I
think
people
are
willing
to
pay
a
small
fee
for
an
application
or
something
it
is
nice
to
see
that
in
order
to
that
barrier
to
entry
is,
is
not
with
cost.
G
G
G
For
example,
if
I
pay
for
an
hour
of
parking-
and
I
only
use
37
minutes
of
it,
does
it
actually
will
it
refund
that
to
customers
accounts?
And
my
second
question:
is
you
mentioned
that
something
not
in
the
rfp
is
the
ability
to
use
a
vendor
such
as
this
to
enhance
zone,
regulated
areas,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
that
sure.
F
C
For
the
first
question,
I
I
don't
know
specifically
if
they
have
that
in
their
app,
but
other
vendors
did
have
that,
so
that
might
be
an
option
that
we'll
certainly
explore
for.
As
far
as
the
second
question,
they
do
have
the
ability
to
sell
online
daily
permits
for
the
critical
parking
permits
they
have
a
they
may
have
they
did.
They
did
provide
information
regarding
a
critical
parking
database
solution.
So
that
might
you
know
if
we,
if
we
go
that
route,
they
might
be
able
to
provide
that
solution
to
us?
A
Any
further
discussion
on
the
item
see
none
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
dissenting
name
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much
now
move
to
discussion
item.
The
second
discussion
item,
which
is
the
south
metro,
mississippi
river
total
suspended
solids,
total
maximum
daily
load
conversation,
and
I
believe
we
have
a
significant
update.
H
My
name
is
lois
eberhard,
I'm
in
the
surface,
water
and
sewers
division
of
public
works.
I
work
particularly
on
regulatory
issues
under
the
clean
water
act,
and
today's
topic
is
related
to
that
on.
The
screen
is
a
map
of
minneapolis
with
our
beloved
water
bodies.
We
have
three
creeks,
the
mississippi
river,
a
number
of
lakes,
a
few
wetlands
and
we
have
a
permit
under
the
clean
water
act
to
discharge
our
storm
water
runoff
to
the
water
bodies.
H
H
And
there's
a
process
to
look
at
impairments
of
water
bodies,
it's
called
total
maximum
daily
load
and
I'll
explain
that
term.
In
a
moment
again,
this
is
under
the
federal,
clean
water
act
that
is
administered
by
the
environmental
protection
agency
and
in
minnesota,
carried
out
by
the
pollution
control
agency,
and
this
process
also
involves
the
dnr
department
of
natural
resources.
H
H
For
this
stretch
of
the
mississippi
river,
the
beneficial
use
that
is
impaired
as
aquatic
life,
the
pollutant
of
concern
is
suspended
solids.
This
is
sediment
organic
material
and
algae
that
make
the
water
cloudy
or
turbid,
and
then
sunlight
cannot
penetrate
deeply
enough
for
a
healthy
plant
community.
H
I
H
On
another
point
in
a
tmdl,
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
a
baseline
so
that
there
can
be
comparison
between
the
requirements
and
the
success.
The
implementation
in
this
study,
a
baseline
of
2002,
was
proposed,
and
that
was
related
to
some
of
the
regulations
on
the
smaller
cities
and
other
dischargers.
H
H
H
H
H
J
H
H
Crystal
lake,
which
is
not
in
minneapolis
it's
in
robinsdale,
but
we
have
about
a
450,
acre
drainage
area
that
discharges
to
crystal
lake.
So
we
do
have
those
responsibilities
and
then
finally
silver
lake,
again
not
in
minneapolis.
It
straddles
the
saint
anthony
village
columbia
heights
border,
and
we
have
a
very
small
area
that
discharges
there
so
for
to
address
these
impairments.
Some
of
the
practices
that
are
especially
important
are
keeping
grass
clippings
and
leaves
out
of
the
gutter
out
of
the
system
and
various
kinds
of
filtration
practices
that
break
down
and
capture
those
pollutants.
H
H
H
H
Then
the
other
pollutants,
the
last
pollutant
of
concern
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
chlorides,
and
this
is
the
toughest
one
we
have,
because
once
the
chlorides
are
in
the
system
they
don't
break
down.
There
are
no
practices
to
eliminate
them,
so
once
they're
in
the
soil
or
the
water
body
or
the
groundwater,
they
don't
move
much.
H
H
The
balance
with
public
safety
is,
of
course,
the
big
challenge,
because
this
is
why
we
use
salts
other
chemicals,
don't
work
as
well
and
cost
much
much
more,
maybe
a
magnitude
of
100
times
at
the
city
scale.
So
the
ongoing
challenge
is
to
use
as
little
as
necessary
for
public
safety
based
on
weather
and
site
conditions.
H
So
a
lot
of
cities
are
in
in
mndot,
and
the
counties
are
experimenting
with
different
practices
of
how
we
can
use
as
little
as
possible,
for
example,
on
a
street
salting.
The
drive
lanes,
not
letting
the
salt
get
over
to
the
gutter
right
away,
salting
the
intersections
where
people
apply
their
brakes,
not
necessarily
the
middle
of
the
block
using
water
with
the
salt,
so
that
it
sticks
and
doesn't
fly
off
into
the
the
gutter
or
the
boulevard
and
where
it's
of
absolutely
no
use
these
kinds
of
things.
So
using
it
judiciously.
H
H
A
Thank
you.
Any
questions
per
the
presentation
see
none.
I
will
just
make
the
comment
that
what
was
accomplished
was
very
significant
and
we
do
celebrate
the
work
that
was
that
was
done.
The
cost
considerations
that
we
were
looking
at
in
2012
were
astronomical
and
this
is
not
to
say
we
celebrate.
Oh,
we
dodged
a
bullet.
We,
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
our
waterways.
A
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we've
got
multiple
decades
of
dealing
with
our
waterways
and
we
continue
working
with
best
management
practices,
both
new
and
ones
that
we've
done
tried
and
true
and
expanding
those
and
working
with
our
watershed
partners.
So
we've
we've
been
in
the
game
of
cleaning
up
our
waterways
and
we've
had
success
doing
so.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
very
telling
to
me
that
water
coming
through
the
mississippi
is
cleaner
when
it
goes
out
of
the
city
after
it
comes
in.
That's
that's
extraordinary.
A
It's
not
quite
like
vienna,
where
the
blue
danube
does
run
blue
through
vienna.
I
don't
know
if
they
diet,
but
it
does
run
blue,
but
this
is
that's
very
significant,
and
so
I
just
want
the
public
to
know
that
we
don't
go.
Oh
wow,
we
don't
have
to
spend
money
for
our
waterways.
We've
been
spending
money,
but
we've
been
spending
it
rather
wisely
and
to
me
the
picture
that
does
say
it
all.
As
you
pointed
out,
is
you
see
the
minnesota
river
and
the
mississippi
river
converging?
A
That's
just
such
visible
and
obvious
evidence
of
where
we
really
need
to
do
the
work,
and
so
I
know
working
with
our
partners
in
the
broader
metro
that
we're
going
to
continue
that
because
it
impacts
us
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
the
report.
Excellent
work
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
the
taxpayers,
and
we
move
forward
being
good
environmental
stewards,
even
though
sometimes
it's
not
very
catchy
stuff
that
goes
on
the
t-shirt,
like
total,
daily
maximum
load
in
our
ongoing
inc.
A
You
know
ongoing
incremental
good
stewardship
around
that
so
good
work.
Thank
you
with
that.
We
have
the
motion
before
us,
as
described
by
the
presenter,
which
is
to
authorize
the
city
attorney
to
withdraw
the
petition
in
a
contested
case
hearing
with
the
mpca,
as
described
in
the
presentation,
any
further
discussion.
Seeing
that
all
in
favor
say
aye.
A
B
Mr
chair,
this
is
actually
a
joint
project
between
public
works
and
the
health
department.
So
I
have
bill
pelos
here
today
from
public
works.
Who
will
explain
a
little
bit
of
the
public
works
participation
in
this,
and
then
we
have
sarah
stewart
from
the
health
department
that
will
explain
the
health
department's
role
in
the,
and
I
think
particularly,
this
sub
grand
agreement.
Thank.
K
Then,
in
2012
and
2013,
the
state
health
department
provided
funds
to
the
city
of
minneapolis
to
further
explore
potential
routes
and
greenway
types
and
then,
finally,
in
2013,
the
center
for
prevention
at
blue
cross
blue
shield
of
minnesota
awarded
the
city
405
000
for
three
years
to
further
explore
the
idea
so
we're
currently
entering
year.
Two
of
that
three-year
initiative
and
blue
cross
blue
shields
funding
provides
a
unique
opportunity
for
public
works
and
the
health
department
to
work
together
on
a
project
and
so
for
this
project.
K
K
K
K
About
one
mile
of
the
greenway
would
be
what
we
call
half
and
a
half
with
one-way
traffic
and
parking
would
be
limited
to
one
side
of
the
street
and
about
a
half
of
a
mile
would
be
two-way
traffic,
and
these
aren't
areas
where
we
believe
that
two-way
traffic
needs
to
be
maintained.
Again.
Parking
would
need
to
be
eliminated.
K
K
Every
two
minutes
during
peak
periods,
just
to
try
to
quantify
that
a
little
bit
it
would
be
closing
intersections
would
maximize
north-south
movements
along
the
greenway
and
over
the
three
and
a
half
mile
route.
We
believe
that
there
are
at
least
four
intersections
that
must
remain
open,
but
there
maybe
is
around
13
intersections
that
could
be
closed
or
at
least
restricted
to
authorized.
Vehicles
parking
is
a
concern.
J
Good
morning,
councilmember
rank
committee
members.
My
name
is
sarah
stewart
and
I
work
with
the
health
department
and
we,
the
health
department,
has
been
engaged
in
this
project
since
2012..
In
particular,
we've
focused
on
the
community
engagement
parts
of
this
project.
The
reason
that
we
are
interested
in
this
project
is
its
potential
to
create
a
new
amenity
for
active
living
on
on
the
north
side.
J
So
in
years
2012
and
2013,
we
did
do
some
public
engagement
around
this
idea.
We
did
it
in
a
very
traditional
way.
We
sent
letters
to
residents
and
postcards
and
had
some
open
houses
and
some
kind
of
neighborhood
level
meetings
we
invited
people
to
come
to
and
what
we
found
with
that
was
that
we
weren't
really
doing
a
great
job
of
engaging
kind
of
the
diversity
of
north
minneapolis
residents
certainly
is
a
very
diverse
area
of
our
city
and
in
2014.
J
This
is
so
we
did
it.
We
had
a
very
different
approach.
We
had
a
community-based
steering
committee
that
included
the
health
department
and
public
works.
It
also
included
a
partner
called
the
alliance
for
metropolitan
stability.
Who's
been
helping
us
coordinate
all
of
our
community
engagement
efforts
along
with
neighborhood
organizations,
other
community
groups
and
some
individual
residents
who
are
interested
in
the
project.
J
Together,
we
worked
on
a
kind
of
community
engagement
strategy
that
involved
putting
out
an
application,
a
competitive
application
to
neighborhood
community-based
culturally
based
groups
to
help
us
conduct
outreach
with
mini
grants,
ranging
as
small
as
fifteen
hundred
dollars
and
as
large
as
five
thousand
dollars,
and
we
put
the
the
application
out
and
we're
able
to
fund
13
different
community
groups.
Those
groups
were
selected
by
a
committee
of
northside
residents,
primarily
composed
of
northside
residents,
and
the
groups
that
were
funded
are
are
listed
up
on
on
the
slide
here.
J
With
this
new
process,
we
saw
over
2000
surveys
completed
in
2013,
we
heard
from
258
northside
residents,
and
this
year
we
heard
from
over
1300
north
side
residents
in
2013
we
asked
people
who
live
directly
on
the
proposed
route,
whether
or
not
they
owned
or
rented
their
home,
because
there
are
a
significant
number
of
renters
in
this
section
of
the
city.
Four
percent
of
the
respondents
in
2013
were
renters
and
26
percent
of
the
respondents
were
renters.
J
J
The
some
high
level
kind
of
summaries
of
some
of
the
kind
of
qualitative
data
that
we
were
able
to
gather
from
the
surveys.
People
did
see
the
greenway
as
an
opportunity
for
providing
more
green
space,
providing
safety
from
traffic,
especially
for
children,
providing
space
for
amenities
like
gardens
or
pocket
parks
or
art,
and
creating
a
new
north
side
attraction
would
draw
people
to
the
north
side.
J
There
were
also
some
significant
concerns
from
the
respondents.
Parking
was
probably
the
biggest
concern
raised,
including
for
residents
themselves
also
for
visitors
and
also
considering
the
needs
of
elderly
or
people
with
disabilities.
Safety
was
also
a
concern.
Some
people
were
when
I
say
safety.
I
mean
personal
safety.
J
And
then
the
last
one
was
maintenance
of
the
greenway
itself
and
of
alleyways
the
greenway,
because
people
were
just
wondering
who
would
mow
or
or
plow
the
greenway
and
then
alleyways,
because
some
people
are
concerned
about
accessing
their
alloys
and
making
sure
they
still
have
very
good
access
to
it.
If
they
aren't
able
to
drive
on
their
streets.
J
So,
just
a
little
information
about
some
next
steps
with
the
project,
the
blue
cross
funding
that
we
have
goes
through
july
of
2016.
So
we
have
a
little
more
time
left
on
the
project
that
will
enable
us
to
further
re
refine.
Some
of
the
technical
analyses
that
were
completed
and
respond
to
some
of
the
concerns
and
questions
that
residents
raised
will
allow
us
to
look
at
the
route
south
of
plymouth
right
now.
J
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
stuart
just
to
go
back
a
few
slides
into
the
pie
chart
charts.
I
just
want
to
understand
that
when
you
looked
at
the
levels
of
support
for
this
project,
these
are
actually
one
prior
to
that.
These
are
people.
This
pie
chart
is
not
inclusive,
you've.
You've.
You
had
a
way
to
sort
out
the
30
of
the
people
that
participated
that
were
not
residents
of
north
minneapolis,
so
this
is
just
residents
of
north
minneapolis.
J
G
J
J
G
I
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
about
the
decisions
of
of
where
we're
I'm
going
to
have
the
two-way
and
the
one-way
auto
traffic,
and
why
how
we
made
that
determination
and
maybe,
if
it's
connected
at
all
to
the
neighbors
in
the
area
or
if
there
were
some
other
considerations
there
regarding
alleys
part
of
what
I'm
thinking
is.
If
we
come
up
with
a
criteria
that
we're
using
now,
it
could
easily
be
applied
in
the
future,
and
maybe
that's
a
bigger
policy
decision
that
we
need
to
grapple
with
to
determine
this.
K
I
So,
where
there
there
are
some
areas,
though,
that
it
is
going
to
be
linear,
green
space
with
just
bike
paths
and
pedestrian
aquarius.
Isn't
that
true?
Some
of
the
pictures
show
that
and
go
to
maybe
go
to
the
map,
which
is
a
little
bit
hard
to
interpret,
but
the
solid
green
stretches
isn't
that
that
has
no
auto
traffic
on
them.
I
I
I
J
The
I
think
that's.
Why
that's
why?
The
next
step
of
engagement
is
so
important
so
that
we
really
understand
what
people
mean
when
they
say
they
support
it
or
they
they
are
opposed
to
it
and
what
those
considerations
are
for
for
residents
that
we
can
really
understand
what
might
make
sense
on
a
specific
block.
I
Can
appreciate
that
it's
almost
like
we
need
to
get
the
city
as
a
whole
to
come
to
some
kind
of
agreement,
because
I
could
see
a
lot
of
tension
here
where
we
on
a
policy
level.
We
want
more
greenways.
We
know
this
is
hanson
enhances
property
values.
It
makes
it
a
great
place
to
live
people,
although
are
real
used
to
having
access
to
their
property
from
the
street
deliveries,
parties,
guests,
visitors,
whatever
some
people
actually
think
they
must
own
those
parking
spaces.
I
I
mean
I'm
sure
we've
all
talked
to
people
who
act
like
those
are.
That's
my
you
know,
part
of
the
world.
What
are
you
doing
so?
I'm
not
sure
how
we'll
get
there.
I
can.
It's
always
going
to
be
easier
if
we
have
the
buy-in
and
consent
of
the
property
owners
along
those
those
streets.
So
it's
going
to
become
real
challenging.
If
we
have
people
really
really
upset
and
then
you
can
have
civil
disobedience,
I
don't
know
what
it
could
become,
but
you
could
you
could
imagine.
So
that's
a
real
trick.
I
So
I
think
this
is
your
pioneers.
Your
courageous
pioneer
is
venturing
forward
into
this
territory.
I
think
that
when
people
see
some
of
these
streets,
there's
one
where,
where
I
live,
milwaukee
avenue
happened
a
long
time
ago.
People
love
it,
they
appreciate
it,
it
doesn't
really
have
an
exclusive
bike
path.
I
mean
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
it's
close
to
auto
traffic
and
people
have
figured
out
how
to
do
it.
They
don't
really
have
alley
access
there
either.
I
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
find
more
opportunities
to
do
this
in
the
city,
so
that
we
can
look
back
and
say
here's
our
plan
for
the
city,
here's
where
we're
going
to
have
our
greenway
so
that
we
have
our
bike
infrastructure
in
place,
and
so
I'm
really
hoping
this
works
out
I'll
confess
I
was
hoping
it
would
be
a
solid
green
line
all
the
way
through.
So
I'm
also
we'll
be
wondering
about.
Do
we
really
need
the
one
way
and
the
two-way
traffic
there
and
what
what
can
we
do?
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair
council,
member
gordon,
with
all
due
respect,
I
I
think
it
would
be
problematic
if
it
was
a
full
green
way
all
the
way
through.
I
certainly
think
that
the
the
folks
up
in
north
nellis
and
the
diverse
constituencies
would
probably
not
allow
for
something
like
that
to
happen,
and
I
would
I
would
not
support
that.
I
mean
I.
I
support
some
sort
of
greenway.
I
think
that
you
know
when
we
look
at
the
issue
of
support
and
opposition
to
a
greenway.
D
You
know
when
you
ask
gently,
you
know
whether
a
resident
up
there
supports
a
greenway.
I
mean
my
best
sense
is
they
would
be
much
more
like
me
in
the
sense
that
they
would
support
some
sort
of
greenway,
but
you
know,
if
you
say
you
know,
do
you
support
a
full
greenway
or
something
you
know
that
is
somewhere
in
the
middle?
I
think
they'd,
probably
you
know
be
the
latter.
Just
like
myself
and
you
know
in
this
situation.
J
I
mean,
I
think
I
understand
the
thank
you
councilman
bringing
I.
I
think
that
I
understand
that
kind
of
perception
that
maybe
this
is
the
pro
the
word
proposed,
maybe
is
referring
to
something
that
is
maybe
more
decided
than
than
it
actually
is.
I
don't
think
that
it
is
decided
there
is
no
there
aren't
any
decisions
made,
that's
something
we've
been
trying
to
really
make
clear
to
folks.
J
We
have
something
for
people
to
react
to,
and
I
think
that's
really
important
to
bring
an
idea
out
and
and
and
see
what
people
think
of
it,
and
I
I
agree
that
it's
going
to
be
very
important
to
continue
to
do
engagement
going
forward
and
that's
why
I
think
the
next.
You
know
two
years
that
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
this
are
going
to
be
really
important
to
determining
and
understanding
what
community
residents
really
want.
J
I,
I
think
you
know
in
some
blocks
and
and
when
people
say
they
support
it
or
they're,
opposed
to
it.
There's
different
reasons
behind
that.
We
really
need
to
understand
what
those
reasons
are
and
what
they
mean
when
they
say
support
or
oppose,
because
it
might
mean
I
support
it.
If
you
know
if
it's
this
designer
it
might
mean,
I
I'm
opposed
to
it.
D
D
D
J
D
J
So
we
will
we'd
like
to
continue
to
do
engagement
through
community
partners
so
that
it's
not
the
city
kind
of
figuring
out
how
to
how
to
do
that,
but
really
working
with
partners
who
understand
the
community
who
have
community
trust
and
who
people
are
going
to
be
willing
to
more
willing
or
interested
to
to
talk
to
and
respond
to.
And
so
we
are
working
out
the
details
of
exactly
what
that
engagement
will
look
like
with
our
committee
members,
who
are
from
the
community
helping
us
figure
out.
D
J
J
J
But
we
did
see
some
some
strength
in
some
of
the
neighborhood-based
groups
in
particular,
and
also
some
of
the
culturally
based
groups
and
in
their
outreach,
and
so
I
think,
we'll
we're
we're
learning.
You
know
we're
understanding
the
groups
that
had
the
best
con
existing
connections
to
north
side
residents
were
the
most
successful
and
I
think,
that's
kind
of
what
we
would
emphasize
going
forward.
D
J
So
councilman
reeng,
the
remaining
funds,
are
partly
to
cover
city
staff
time
to
assist
with
the
community
engagement
and
also
with
the
technical
planning
and
there's
also
a
part
of
the
budget
about
43
000.
for
to
hire
a
consultant
to
continue
some
of
the
technical
analyses
and
the
technical
planning
work.
L
L
But
I
think
there
are
huge
benefits
as
well
and
I
would
really
hate
to
see
us
spend
16
million
dollars
to
see
a
very
incremental
change
when
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
really
do
something
transformative
if
people
have
more
time
to
get
used
to
the
idea.
So
I'm
interested
to
understand
are
we
thinking
of
increment
incremental
approaches
to
implementing
whether
that
means
using
small
stretches
where
the
neighbors
are
most
supportive
of
bigger
changes?
L
Or
is
there
a
way
to
do
something
that
would
have
the
same
sort
of
transportation
impacts,
but
that
would
be
less
expensive,
so
temporary
street
closures,
or
maybe
a
bicycle
boulevard
or
neighborhood
greenway?
That's
you
know
using
a
less
expensive
way
of
implementing
which
of
course,
wouldn't
have
the
same
greening
benefits
but
may
help
people
have
a
chance
to
see
if
it's
working
or
not
for
the.
K
Community
councilman
remember
bender.
If
I
might
just
a
couple
of
points,
it
would
be
a
full
linear.
Greenway
would
certainly
be
a
transformative
chain,
so
we
recognize
that
we
have
an
awful
lot
of
work
to
do
both
in
the
outreach
and
the
technical
advisory
portion
to
try
to
identify
make
sure
that
the
stakeholders
understand
what
the
changes
might
be.
Try
to
identify
what
their
concerns
might
be
and
then
see
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
to
mitigate
those
concerns.
K
One
of
your
colleagues
suggested
that
we
might
do
something
along
the
lines
of
the
airport
noise
mitigation
in
south
minneapolis
and
perhaps
build
new
carports
or
facilities
in
the
alleys.
You
know
it's.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
but
then,
in
regards
to
your
question
of
whether
this
might
be
done
incrementally
or
or
if
it
needs
to
be
done
all
at
once,
I
don't
think
those
decisions
haven't
been
made
and
we're
really
not
at
a
point
where
we
could
decide
that.
J
Councilmember
yang,
I
don't
know
if
we've
gotten
to
that
level
of
consideration
or
decision
making
in
terms
of
what
would
actually
happen
if
it
were
implemented,
because
it's
so
early
in
the
process.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
I
can
quite
answer
that
question.
I
think
that's
something
we
can
you
know
know
as
an
idea.
That's
out
there.
A
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
the
presenters.
Any
further
comments,
just
to
be
clear.
This
is
an
action
to
authorize
an
execution
of
up
to
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
sub
grant
agreements
for
the
with
the
alliance
for
metropolitan
stability,
and
my
understanding
of
that
is
that
those
are
outside
resources
that
will
be
utilized
to
work
with
our
current
partner
and
to
cover
some
of
our
staff
time
as
what
I've
heard,
and
so
that
that
is
the
motion
before
us.