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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
A
Plane
mode
I've
been
used
to
that
a
lot
here.
We
are
good
afternoon.
Everyone
welcome
to
the
minneapolis
city
planning,
commission
meeting
of
august
11
2014..
My
name
is
ted
tucker.
I
serve
as
president
of
the
planning
commission
joining
me
today.
Are
commissioners
gagnon
kronzer
lipke,
pierre
castleman,
slack
and
forney.
A
A
So,
as
I
read
through
them,
listen
carefully
and
if
you
want
to
discuss
the
item
because
you
disagree
or
want
to
modify
the
staff
recommendation,
please
raise
your
hand
number
one
lime
apartments
in
vfw
parking,
2900,
2910,
lindale
avenue
south.
Is
there
anyone
here
wishing
to
modify
or
disagree
with
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
number
one?
If
not,
that
will
go
on
consent.
A
A
A
A
A
A
If
not,
that
will
go
on
consent
as
well.
We
expect
to
discuss
item
number
seven
carmel
plaza
and
square
2910
through
2936
pillsbury
avenue
south.
So
that'll
be
discussion.
Item
item
number,
eight
blaisdell
apartments,
2118
blaisdell
avenue,
has
been
requested
to
be
withdrawn.
So
we'll
deal
with
that.
As
a
withdrawal
item
number
nine,
the
new
franklin
10
13
to
1021
franklin
avenue
east
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition,
you
want
to
discuss
item
number
nine,
the
new
franklin,
okay,
that
will
be
on
discussion
as
well.
A
A
B
A
A
Okay,
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
agenda
as
amended,
say:
aye;
okay,
that's
our
new
agenda,
so
we
will
start
with
committee
the
whole.
I
don't
think
we
had
any
items
to
come
forward,
so
we
will
move
on
to
the
public
hearings.
So
first
item
will
be:
may
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
withdrawal
of
item
number.
Eight,
the
blaisdell
apartments
moved
and
segment
to
accept
the
withdrawal.
A
A
Okay,
moved
in
second
any
discussion
all
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed.
Okay.
That
one
item
is
to
be
continued.
Then
we
have
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
for
these
items
again,
items
number
one:
two:
five
and
six
again.
If
anyone
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
for
those
items,
please
let
me
know
right
now,
otherwise
we
will
leave
them
on
the
consent
agenda.
A
C
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
this
is
a
project
for
the
elan
uptown
apartments.
Item
number
three
is
for
what
historically
had
been
called
the
bennett
east
block
and
item
number
four
is
for
the
center
and
west
blocks.
I
can
go
through
both
of
them
or
just
handle
them
one
at
a
time.
What
would
you
prefer
chair.
C
C
Black
specifically
has
two
freestanding
signs,
one
on
each
side
of
the
building
and
then
a
handful
of
other
signs
that
I
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
discussing
because
they
are
more
directional
or
informational
signs
pertaining
to
the
building
itself.
Management
signs
enter
and
exit
signs
for
the
underground
parking
garage.
C
For
this
to
be
a
monument
sign,
the
base
of
the
sign.
So,
where
you
see
the
two
legs
would
have
to
be
as
wide
as
the
top
of
the
sign
and
the
base
and
the
top
of
the
sign
couldn't
be
separated
by
more
than
one
foot.
So
because
of
how
it's
designed
this
technically
is
a
freestanding
sign
by
definition,
which
we
don't
allow,
they
are
also
asking
for
two
of
these
signs
again,
one
on
each
side
of
the
block,
as
it
stretches
between
colfax
and
dupont,.
C
C
So
the
width
of
the
sign
would
fit
within
the
planter
itself,
and
that
is
truly
the
exception
that
is
needed
for
this
one.
On
the
center
and
west
blocks,
then
the
exception
that's
needed
is
for
the
sign
not
being
a
monument
sign,
and
I
know
sorry
if
that's
confusing,
but
then
moving
to
that
item
number
four
they're
proposing
on
just
the
center
block
just
to
have
one
of
those
monument
freestanding
signs.
C
That's
not
a
monument
sign,
and
it's
that
looks
exactly
like
the
other
two
and
that's
what
the
exceptions
were
needed
when
this
project
was
approved
initially
by
the
planning
commission,
they
had
more
points
than
they
needed
for
the
pud,
so
they
aren't
required
to
provide
any
more
amenities
because
they
provided
more
than
enough
when
approved.
So
we
are
recommending
approval
of
both
of
these
and
I'm
here.
If
there's
any
questions.
A
D
E
Good
afternoon,
chair
tucker
members
of
the
commission,
I'm
carol
lansing,
I'm
an
attorney
at
fagley
baker,
daniels
90,
south
7th
street,
representing
grace
star
development,
gary
wallace
with
grace
star,
is
also
here.
Given
staff's
recommendation
of
approval.
We
did
not
plan
a
presentation,
for
you
certainly
want
to
address
any
questions
that
you
have
and
perhaps
after
we
hear
the
opposition
there'll
be
something
to
respond
to
the
only
remark
I'll
make
then
be
forcing
if
you
have
other
questions
is
to
let
you
know
that
on
the
east
block.
E
If
that
were
a
corner
lot,
it
could
have
signs
on
two
street
frontages,
it's
a
through
lot,
so
it
seems
to
me
it
should
be
treated
in
the
same
way
that
having
a
sign
on
on
both
sides
of
the
building
is
not
inconsistent
with
the
intent
of
the
code
and
for
this
three
block
development.
There
will
be
only
three
monument
signs
one
on
each
street.
There
won't
be
a
wall
sign
and
a
monument
sign
at
the
entrance
like
you
could
have
otherwise
under
code.
A
D
Excuse
me,
my
name
is
susan
bodie.
I
live
at
2750
dupont
about
half
a
block
north
of
the
center
block
of
elan,
and
I
am
hereby
I
did
receive
the
letter
about
this
hearing.
I'm
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
to
the
variance
for
the
for
the
signs,
because
we
as
a
neighborhood
have
have
welcomed
elon
and
all
the
other
buildings
into
our
residential
core
of
our
neighborhood.
D
We
consider
the
south
side
of
the
greenway
to
be
our
mixed
use,
commercial,
etc,
and
those
kinds
of
signs
are,
I
think,
appropriate
there,
but
north
of
the
greenway
is
supposed
to
be
purely
residential
and
that's
what
it
zoned,
and
because
of
that
we
would.
We
don't
want
the
neighborhood
to
start
taking
on
a
commercial
character.
D
D
D
This
one
is
also
another
old
building.
You
can
see
the
name
and
address
above
it
some
of
the
mid-century
buildings.
This
one
is
a
new
sign.
I
think
it's
there
to
keep
up
with
it's
right
next
to
it's,
the
fremont
right
on
28th
and
fremont,
and
here's
what
they
had
originally
just
just
your
address
and
now
they've
added
this
sign.
I
think,
because
of
the
new
construction,
this
building
is
at
28th
and
dupont.
D
Just
an
address.
Miss
lansing
had
said
that
they
needed
these
big
signs
in
order,
so
people
could
find
the
buildings,
but
I
said
the
pizza
guy
finds
my
house
with
little
three
inch
numbers
on
it.
So
I
don't
think
that's
the
case.
Now
flux
is
a
new
building.
That's
you
know.
In
the
same
this
built
this,
this
monument
sign
is
facing
the
greenway
at
the
top
of
the
the
ramp
to
the
to
the
greenway
for
the
bikes,
and
it's
facing
it's
not
facing
into
the
neighborhood
it's
facing
away,
and
this
is
what's
on.
D
D
This
is
the
only
one
that
has
a
large
monument
sign
and
that's
track
29,
and
we
just
feel
it
gives
it
a
commercial
feel.
It
does
not
feel
residential.
Those
are
just
some
examples,
so
I
would.
I
would
urge
you
to
not
start
a
whole
new
trend
that
that
people
who
have
new
construction
in
the
residential
core
of
our
neighborhood
are
going
to
make
it
look
like
the
commercial
section
further
south.
A
A
A
F
C
F
G
C
A
A
I
Good
evening
these
properties
are
located
south
of
the
midtown
greenway
and
slightly
north
of
the
of
lake
street
off
of
between
pillsbury
and
pleasant
avenue.
The
zoning
is,
I
won,
the
existing
uses
on
the
site,
our
shopping
center
and
they're
currently
doing
a
third
floor
addition
to
the
carmel
plaza
building
that
was
previously
approved
a
couple
years
ago.
I
They're
also
proposing
to
do
a
fourth
floor
addition,
and
that
is
more
u-shaped
here.
They're
just
building
above
the
first
or
excuse
me
the
third
floor,
and
these
both
of
these
editions
are
intended
to
be
used
for
offices
which
are
permitted
uses
in
the
the
I-1
district
and
and
all
together.
It's
about
26
000
square
feet.
I
Then,
on
the
first
floor
of
the
building
and
they're
proposing
to
expand
their
recycling
area-
and
that
would
be
this
first
floor,
addition
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
finally
they're
proposing
to
do
a
two
level
parking
structure,
and
this
would
be
located
over
the
existing
surface
parking
at
the
center
of
the
lot.
This
won't
be
changing
circulation
on
the
site.
Cars
currently
enter
from
pleasant
and
exit
out
onto
pillsbury.
That
will
remain
the
same.
All
circulation
will
occur
on
site.
I
This
proposal
will
comply
with
all
the
zoning
code,
parking
and
building
bulk
requirements,
and
the
only
application
we're
looking
at
is
say,
plan
review
as
they've
gone
through
site
plan
review
before
this
is
an
amendment
triggered
by
the
proposed
editions,
I'll
just
jump
to
on
the
issues
that
were
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
starting
with
the
shadowing
impacts.
As
I
mentioned,
the
midtown
greenway
is
located
to
the
north
of
the
site
and
the
proposed
third
and
fourth
floor
editions
will
add
some
or
increase
the
shadowing
to
the
greenway.
I
I
Based
on
the
shadow
studies,
the
the
incred,
the
increased
shadowing
impacts
would
primarily
occur
during
the
winter
months
november
through
january.
So
see
I
don't
know
if
they'll
both
fit.
They
provided
one
showing
what's
currently
allowed
for
this
third
story,
edition
that
they're
currently
building
and
then.
I
What
the
increase
will
be
barely
fit
on
there
with
the
proposed
third
and
fourth
floor
additions
that
you're
looking
at
today.
So
if
you
look
at
the
center
one,
for
example
in
december,
it
would
currently
extend
to
kind
of
the
center
of
the
trench
of
the
greenway
and
then
with
the
third
and
fourth
floor
additions.
It
would
extend
further
into
that
greenway
area.
I
It
does
call
for
having
exposure
to
the
sun
for
most
of
the
day.
So
here
again
it's
during
the
winter
months
when
where
this
would
become
an
issue
they
the
plan
goes
on
just
talk
about
some
strategies
for
addressing
the
shadowing
impacts
and
one
of
those
includes
stepping
back
the
mass
of
the
of
a
building
on
the
south
side
of
the
greenway,
so
not
just
having
a
big
long
wall.
But
if
you
can
break
up
the
massing,
that
is
one
way
to
reduce
the
shadowing
back
in
2010
and
2012.
I
The
planning
commission
had
similar
proposals
before
them
with
a
third
floor,
extending
up
to
that
existing
second
floor
wall
and
with
those
proposals.
They
had
a
condition
that
that
third
floor
be
stopped
back
one
structural
bay
or
20
feet
or
approximately
20
feet,
so
that
the
shadow
on
the
greenway
is
no
more
than
the
current
building.
I
So
when
we
looked
at
all
of
this
with
the
increased
impact
of
shadowing
and
then
that
there's
a
large
building
mass
that
is
proposed,
we
recommended
that
the
condition
of
approval
to
set
back
the
third
floor
at
least
one
structural
bay
stay
in
effect,
and
also
that
that
fourth
floor
be
set
back
70
feet
from
the
greenway
for
not
50
less
than
50
percent
of
that
total
building
width.
So
I
think
for
the
third
floor.
I
I
I
I
There
was
some
a
request
for
alternative
compliance
again
related
to
the
recycling
area.
On
the
first
floor,
it's
obviously
not
located
within
eight
feet
of
any
adjacent
streets.
That
technically
requires
alternative
compliance,
but
also
there's
no
windows
proposed
in
it
and
with
this
being
a
recycling
area,
it's
not
going
to
add
any
benefit
for
natural
surveillance.
So
we
are
recommending
alternative
compliance
for
that
part
of
the
or
that
edition,
then,
on
the.
I
I
It
currently
just
has
a
flat
roof,
and
the
proposal
would
be
that
the
third
story
would
continue
to
have
a
flat
roof,
but
then
the
fourth
floor
would
have
a
pitched
roof
and
just
looking
at
the
context
of
the
area,
larger
buildings
in
this
area,
don't
have
a
pitched
roof
so
to
be
consistent.
We're
recommending
that
the
flat
roof
of
any
addition
or
the
roof
of
any
addition
be
flat.
J
I
First
of
all,
if
they
were
proposing
to
do
retail
there
there
they
would
have
to
come
back
for
an
expansion
of
non-conforming
use
office
is
not
part
of
a
shopping
center.
It
can
be
an
allowed
use
on
its
own,
so
any
retail
expansion
needs
the
expansion
of
non-conforming
use,
which
would
have
to
come
here
at
a
public
hearing.
J
J
I
I
J
I
guess
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
that
parking
structure
is
four
feet
away
from
this
building.
It
seems
very
incompatible
with
some
of
the
uses
that
are
currently
there
as
being
so
tight
to
the
structure.
So,
okay,
I
understand
that.
Do
you
have
any
elevations
of
the
parking
structure
I
mean
what
we
see
in
these
elevations
are
really
just
almost
like
the
structural
components
to
the
parking
structure.
J
J
I
G
G
G
G
G
A
A
Particularly
interested
in
your
reaction
to
these
suggested
conditions,
and
if
you
have
more
information
about
the
the
look
of
the
parking
decks,
that
would
be
helpful
and
any
changes
that
make
the
setback
that
we
approved
or
as
a
condition
earlier
no
longer
applicable.
Maybe
the
inclination
of
the
earth
has
changed
or
something.
K
K
A
K
I'm
going
to
address
certain
of
the
certain
questions
that
you
have
brought
up,
mr
chair
and
I'll.
Let
other
staff
talk
about
the
other
concerns.
With
regards
to
your
concern
the
first
floor.
Proximity
from
the
cars
is
what
it
would
be
as
it
is.
It
would
not
change
and
there's
plenty
of
pedestrian
walk-in
distance
between
the
car
and
the
building.
As
to
the
second
and
third
floor,
it
will
become
to
be
10
feet
away
from
the
building,
because
the
first
floor
overhang
that
kronzer
excuse
me.
K
If
I
did
not
pronounce
your
name
wrong,
I
apologize
people
call
me
many
names,
so
I
don't
take
it
so
personal,
so
the
second
floor
and
third
will
be
a
lot
further
in
proximity
to
the
to
the
ramp.
As
to
the
screenings
of
it,
I
don't
think
there
was
a
specific
section
showing
the
screening.
I
let
the
architect
talk
about
it
and
answer
that.
K
My
biggest
thing
is
here
today
is
to
ask
that
this
development
be
treated
just
like
everybody
else
in
the
city
and
just
be
fair,
treat
us
across
the
board,
like
I
asked
councilman,
bender
or
anybody
else
to
treat
us
just
like
everybody
else.
This
particular
project
served
a
big
community
and
it
is
the
largest
gathering
space
for
the
somali
community
in
the
twin
cities.
K
The
third
floor,
in
particular,
is
approximately
65
to
70
percent
unleashable
space
designated
to
the
community.
That's
where
the
third
floor
is
okay.
As
for
the
fourth
floor,
it
is
smaller
in
relation
to
the
third
floor,
to
what
we
are
asking
for
is
a
setback,
because
we
wanted
to
accommodate
the
greenway.
I
would
not
call
it
trench
to
be
politically
correct,
janelle,
I'm
sorry,
I
will
call
it
the
greenway,
so
we
are
sitting
back
from
the
greenway
to
accommodate
the
shadow
in
terms
of
mr
tucker
to
what
changed.
K
K
K
So
again,
there's
there's
a
bunch
of
money
being
spent
in
there.
The
exterior
of
it
is
is
beautiful,
I'm
not
so
concerned
about
whether
it's
hebroff
or
flat
roof.
I
prefer
if
it
is
a
hip
roof,
because
it
it
it
resembles
the
across
the
street
and
I'm
not
really
so
good
from
it.
This
is
not
a
really
good
picture,
which
is
kitty
corner
and
across
the
street.
To
the
west
is
another
property
that
have
also
hip
roof,
but
it's
not
a
make
or
break
the
deal.
K
I
prefer
as
a
developer
to
make
it
into
head,
because
I
I
just
like
have
looking
rough,
but
it
doesn't
really
matter
whether
it's
help
or
not.
I
pretty
much
wanna
again.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
us
and
I'm
very
happy
that
there's
a
lot
of
community
people
some
against
respectfully
so
and
there's
some
for
it.
But
I
see
there's
a
lot
of
people
supporting
it.
It
is
a
community
center
more
than
a
sovereign
place.
It
does
serve
a
lot
of
families,
kids,
men
and
women,
people
who
start
in
businesses.
K
L
Yes,
I'm
scott
nelson,
with
djr
architecture.
Thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
just
maybe
address
a
couple
of
the
conditions
and
and
perhaps
there's
some
questions
and
again.
Mr
sabri
has
told
us
that
when
we
first
we
first
designed
it,
we
did
it
as
a
as
a
predominantly
flat
roof
building.
It
was
when
it
was
a
two-story.
It
was
when
it
was
originally
a
three.
We
came
up
with
a
three
story.
L
There
was
a
blend
of
hip
and
flat
and
ultimately
I
think
there
was
a
staff
recommendation
to
do
that
as
a
as
a
flat
roof.
So
that's
what
we
we
ended
up
doing
so
that's
what's
currently
permitted
is
a
three
three-story
with
the
flat
roof
building.
The
one
that's
proposed
is
kind
of
a
blend
of
of
the
hip
roof,
which
is
intended
to
tie
into
carmel
village,
which
is
kitty
corner
across
the
street.
A
lot
of
the
residents
a
lot
of
folks
that
live
there
work
in
carmel
square.
L
The
two
buildings
are
obviously
owned
by
cebre
properties
and
have
similar
stucco
and
window
details.
On
the
fourth
floor,
we
actually
stepped
in
in
in
three
directions,
with
the
flat
roof
on
the
edges.
So
what
you'd
see
from
pillsbury
and
pleasant
are
flat,
and
then
then
the
hip
comes
up
and
again
with
the
idea
that
it
ties
into
carmel
village.
That
said,
though,
that's
not
a
that's,
not
a
big
deal
when
we
saw
the
conditions
mr
sabri
said:
he'd
be
more
than
willing
to
go
with
the
total
flat
roof.
L
Excuse
me,
and
maybe
we
could
do
some
steps
similar
to
what
was
proposed
for
the
third
floor,
so
at
your
discretion,
we'd
be
willing
to
do
either
one
of
those
the
one
thing
I'd
like
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
as
we.
We
did
a
much
more
detailed
shadow
study
this
time,
and
I
think
I
think
your
report
shows
some
of
the
results
of
the
shadow,
the
the
differences
on
the
fourth
floor.
L
If
we
went
with
a
a
412
flat,
roof
versus
a
a
pier
or
a
412
sloped
roof
versus
a
a
pitch
whip
would
be
very
minimal.
It
would
be
some
difference,
but
but
very
minimal
to
what
the
shadow
study
is
that
we
did,
and
I
think,
if
you
can
see
that
the
once
we
get
into
march
there's
there's
virtually
no
difference
between
the
two.
The
do.
L
This
is
with
the
fourth
floor
and
also
say
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
one
of
the
other
conditions
was
a
provision
that
the
fourth
floor
be
stepped
back,
no
more
than
70
feet
in
actuality.
I
think
the
the
number
I
think
it's
intending
that
it
lines
up
with
the
back
existing
structural
bay,
which
would
be
exactly
68
feet
as
opposed.
We
have
been
cantileving
the
fourth
floor
out
a
little
for
we'd,
be
no
problem.
L
A
L
Would
actually
not
be
on
a
structural
wall,
so
we'd
like
to
clarify
that
that's
a
a
condition
that
we
would
like
to
have
modified
by
those
two
feet,
but
the
the
actual
worst
case
scenario
shadow
would
be
a
little
bit
better
than
the
one
that
our
our
shadow
study
shows
and
then
once
we
get
to
the
about
the
towards
the
end
of
february
middle
part
of
march,
we're
we're
in
or
in
june,
where
we're
in
much
we're
in
much
better
shape
on
the
green
one.
It'll
be.
L
L
G
L
It's
new
space
it'll
make
the
it'll
make
the
depth
of
the
floor
more
typical.
It's
very
narrow
right
now.
The
depth
of
the
floor
is
it's
it's
harder
to
lay
out
a
plan
in
that
depth
of
floor.
We're
willing
to
do
that
for
the
fourth
floor,
because
you
notice
that
the
fourth
floor
would
actually
line
up
where
that
is
now,
but
it
makes
it
harder
to
do.
M
G
When
the
hip
returns
and
goes
goes
south
and
and
just
one
more
question,
I
had
because
I
was
looking
at
your
sun
studies
from
june
and
and
maybe
it's
just
been
a
while
since
I've
done
sun
studies,
but
it
looks
as
though
the
sun
is
north
of
your
building.
Can
you
clarify,
if
is
this?
Is
this
actually
accurate.
G
L
G
N
G
J
L
So
your
your
point
or
your
question
of
and
again
the
the
building
does
screen
it
on
three
sides
primarily,
but
you
will
see-
and
your
point
is-
is
correct.
The
the
canopy
that
is
here
will
block
it
about
to
here,
but
the
top
level
of
that
will
be
in
view
from
both
sides.
So
we
might
want
to
look
at
doing
some
treatment
to
that
part
of
the
or
that
exposed
part
of
the
facade.
A
A
A
B
Britain's
council,
member
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
abdi
salam
adam.
I
live
at
55708,
jefferson,
street
northeast
in
minneapolis,
and
also
I'm
the
director
of
the
mosque.
That's
in
syria,
riverside
neighborhood
of
minneapolis,
and
while
I'm
here
today
is
to
speak
as
carmel
as
a
project
and
the
value
it
is
for
the
community.
B
So
whenever
we
meet
people
they're
always
talking
about
carmel
where's,
the
families,
the
religious
community,
the
educational
services
and
carmel,
I
think,
is
just
a
project
that
many
airplanes
should
be
proud
of
from.
You
know
where
it
started
and
where
it
is
today
and
the
fact
that
today
we're
considering
more
expansion
to
make
it
more.
You
know,
user
friendly.
B
You
know,
somali
from
other
states,
come
to
carmel
on
july
28
when
we
had
the
eighth
celebration.
I
was
there
that
evening,
just
the
number
of
young
people
who
are
just
hanging
there
drinking
coffee
talking
about
the
eat,
you
know
purchasing
the
clothes
so
again
having
more
services
there
and
you
know
providing
the
the
addition
of
the
additional
space
for
third
floor
and
fourth
floor
will
really
make
this
project
be,
as
they
say,
you
know.
B
A
O
My
name
is
hassan
muhammad,
I'm
one
of
the
moms
of
twin
cities,
centers
and
my
address
is
476
university
university
avenue
west
in
saint
paul.
I
live
in
saint
paul,
but
this
community
serves
me
in
two
ways:
that's
why
I
want
to
share
with
you
why
it's
important
the
commissioners
to
look
this
positively
and
approved
number
one.
O
The
the
service
community
provided
this
center
united,
the
the
majority
centers
of
10
centuries
in
20
cities
served
by
the
office
which
is
located
in
this
center,
so
you're
attracting
a
large
community
in
20,
20
cities
to
come
and
and
and
and
be
proud
when
you
approve
this
type
of
the
project
and,
lastly,
which
is
very
important.
We
used
to
hear
from
you
always
when
we
see
when
we
hear
about
this
type
of
public
hearing.
O
P
P
That's,
prime
real
estate
for
people
like
me,
we
would
like
to
rent
the
office
spaces
there,
because
that's
where
the
customer
base
is
the
issue
of
parking
and
concrete
and
the
shadow
and
all
those
are
very
important
issues,
and
we
understand
your
concerns
about
them
and
I'm
hoping
you
can
work
with
the
developer
on
finessing
those
issues.
But
for
us
it's
a
confluence
of
agendas.
For
all
of
us.
P
I
I
believe
there
are
people
that
I
know
already,
you
know
are
waiting
for
these
places
to
be
developed
so
that
they
can
locate
their
services
there,
especially
in
the
winter,
because
it's
a
place
where
people
park
shop
eat
and
are
able
to
to
purchase
other
services.
You
know
travel
agencies,
things
like
that
that
are
important
to
to
the
community
are
now
moving
in
their
insurance
companies,
besides
retail,
so
there's
other
second
tier
businesses
that
are
coming
in.
P
You
know
I
pocket
the
ideas,
it's
all
concrete,
I
don't
see
very
good
finishes
in
the
basement.
It
scratches
my
car
all
the
time.
So
I
understand
your
issues,
but
we
have
to
look
at
this
in
context.
I
know
it
might
be.
You
know
that
we're
concerned
about
the
developer,
but
I
think
the
tenants
are
very
empowered.
P
I
don't
want
you
to
feel
that
you
know
that
bastian
sabri
just
does
things
on
his
own
and
and
decides
a
lot
of
things
on
his
own,
because
there's
enough
of
a
market
push
now
that
we're
able
to
sit
with
them
and
discuss
things
if
we
have
concerns
about
them,
but
it
just
takes
too
long
every
time
things
come
to
city
council
that
we
need.
It
just
seems
to
take
too
long
and
there's
issues
with
finishing
the
shadow
issue.
I
use
the
green
way.
P
I
know
a
lot
of
people,
don't
use
the
green
in
the
community,
but
the
shadow
I
mean
it
might
not
make
sense
to
me,
but
if
it's
in
the
winter
we
have
to
be
able
to
balance
between
economic
interests
and
the
greenway
and
I'm
a
proponent
of
biking
and
walking
in
green
spaces,
but
there's
also
a
critical
mass
of
development
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
balance
so
that
you
know
everybody
gets
something
out
of
this.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Q
There
are
so
many
children,
they
have
a
school
bus,
stop
on
that
corner.
I've
seen
people
almost
getting
hit.
I
had
come
within
an
inch
of
getting
hit
myself
on
that
corner
and
we
have
brought
it
and
had
to
try
to
resolve
it
so
many
times.
Sometimes
it
will
take
you
20
minutes
to
get
from
one
end
of
the
block
to
the
other
end
of
the
block.
It
really
has
to
be
looked
at
from
pedestrian
and
car
traffic.
A
S
Also,
we
are
the
faith
leader
and
spiritual
leader
in
this
community
and
this
village
in
carmel
mall.
Also,
we
promote
all
the
time,
the
beast
and
processing,
because
everybody's
need
peace
and
security
and
safety.
We
need
to
exchange
the
caramel
more.
We
need
began
that
and
another
braces,
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
T
T
I'm
going
to
speak
briefly
on
the
economic
aspects
of
this
project.
Again,
I'm
not
very
cognizant
or
conversant
with
the
specific
particulars
of
the
of
the
architectural
or
design
or
issues.
I
want
to
briefly
speak
about
the
economic
impact
of
this
this
project,
I'm
an
entrepreneur
in
the
east
african
community,
I'm
a
ceo
of
a
company
that
employs
over
350
employees
and
about
800
independent
contractors.
Many
of
my
employees
patronize
the
carmel
mall
for
various
services.
T
Our
businesses
are
growing
now
in
the
in
in
the
classic
new
american
trend
of
gentrification
and
acculturation,
we're
not
doing
just
cabs
anymore,
we're
owners
of
medical
facilities.
So
I
want
this
to
be
seen
in
the
light
of
a
community.
That's
also
progressing
and
maturing
in
its
in
its
second
phase
as
minnesotans
and
as
members
of
the
twin
cities
community.
So
I
would
like
you
know,
obviously
the
specifics
to
the
to
the
extent
that
the
developer
needs
to
be
to
work
with
you.
I
think
that's
something
this
commission
is
able
to
do.
T
My
input
is
to
speak
on
the
economic
impact
that
this
will
have
in
terms
of
both
tax
contributions
and
in
terms
of
also
of
a
place
that
what
the
other
folks
have
said
in
terms
of
a
gathering
space
with
an
economic
value.
It's
a
place
where
some
unique
services
that
I
can't
my
family
can't
find
in
galleria
or
south
dale,
my
daughters
go,
get
hinna
there
on
each
day.
I
can't
get
out
of
the
galleria,
so
it's
really
it
has.
T
We
have
to
look
at
the
unique
value
proposition
that
this
ethnic
mall
provides
to
folks,
even
folks
that
you
might
think
have
become
mainstream
that
have
live
in
the
suburbs.
People
come
from
epic
growth
sent
cloud
to
come
to
this
facility,
so
it's
not
only
just
the
folks
who
live
in
the
waterloo,
so
I
would
like
you
to
see
it
in
that
light
as
well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
U
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
robert
speeder
120,
south
sixth
street
minneapolis
55402,
I'm
the
attorney
for
sabri
properties,
I'm
just
going
to
briefly
address
somewhat
in
summary
fashion.
What
we're
talking
about
here
today
and
part
of
a
number
of
the
speakers
that
may
have
not
looked
like
they
were
talking
specifically
about
this
site
plan.
In
essence,
they
are
because
what
they're
saying
here
is
that
this
is
a
phenomenally,
successful
business
incubator.
U
U
This
project
evolves
and
when
we
were
here
four
years
ago
in
an
ad
hoc
fashion-
and
this
is
how
we
got
stuck
where
we
are
about
the
setback
we
just
agreed-
we
said
well,
there
was
some
pro
some
mention
about
the
shadow
study
we
just
on
the
seat
of
the
pants
said
well,
we'll
set
it
back
one
day,
and
I
think
it
was
actually
me
who
said
it
to
mr
sabri.
If
I
recall
correctly-
and
he
said
fine-
let's
do
it-
we
didn't
have
a
study,
we
didn't
look
at
it.
U
We
didn't
think
it
through
fully
and
we
didn't
see
at
that
time
the
full
the
necessity
for
this
expansion
and
part
of
the
reason
for
the
expansion,
especially
on
the
third
floor.
As
commissioner
as
you
would
ask,
what's
it
going
to
be
used
for
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
be
used
to
make
the
mosque
bigger,
that's
planned
for
the
third
floor
and
the
other
ancillary
uses
for
the
mosque.
This
isn't
for
extra.
U
Most
of
this
is
just
community
space
and
on
the
third
floor,
that
we
need
that
extra
20
feet
and
now
that
we've
looked
at
the
shadowing
and
we've
had
some
other
developments
over
the
last
four
years.
In
other
words,
a
lot
of
new
buildings
on
the
south
side
of
the
greenway.
We
see
that
we
have
a
precedent
and
a
precedent
that
we
have
gotten
is
that
shadowing
hasn't
been
a
concern
for
other
buildings.
U
U
2900
thomas
that's
taller
and
closer
to
the
greenway,
so
we
have
examples
that
of
other
buildings
that
are
already
closer
to
the
greenway
or
taller
or
both,
and
so
I
think
we
have
that
new
knowledge.
Plus
we
have
the
shadow
study
that
shows,
certainly
in
the
sixth
summer
or
the
six
warm
months,
there
is
no
effect
and
even
on
the
coldest
day,
the
greenway
itself,
since
it's
below
grade
shadows
itself,
so
the
building
just
at
most
adds
a
shadow
upon
a
shadow,
and
so
I
think
from
that
look
it's
not.
U
U
A
U
M
A
V
What
I
want
to
speak
to
is
the
issues
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
went
into
this
on
occasion.
Mr
sabri
has
consulted
with
me
on
the
work
that
he
was
doing
with
the
city
staff
to
try
to
get
resolution
to
get
this
all
done
somewhere
between
45
to
65
percent
of
the
third
floor
is
donated
space
for
the
community.
V
V
What
I'm
asking
is
that
you
respect
and
admire
the
diligent
work
of
the
developer
in
this
issue
and
the
city
staff.
Mr
sabri,
is
not
an
easy
guy
to
work
with,
and
neither
is
city
staff,
but
somehow
those
two
entities
came
together
and
worked
together
and
came
up
with
this
plan,
which
is
before
you
right
now.
So
I
ask
that
you
respect
the
recommendation
of
the
city
staff.
Thank.
A
W
Okay
good
evening,
mr
chairman
and
the
commissioner,
I
think
I'm
the
last
person,
but
not
the
least
comment
on
it.
Regarding
for
this
project,
my
name
is
bashir
and
I
leave
10
20
with
medicine
lake
drive,
blymoth
minnesota,
five,
five,
four
zero,
five,
five,
four
four
one
and
I
do
have
an
office
in
this
building
and
as
a
profession,
I'm
accountant
and
today,
I'm
here
to
testify
as
the
on
behalf
of
the
tenant
and
myself
this
project.
W
Actually,
it
is
very,
very
important
and
sincere
for
the
community
and
also
the
business
owners,
and
I
could
say
it's
not
only
for
a
mall,
maybe
a
lot
of
people.
They
just
send
design
as
a
mall,
but
it's
also
a
community
gathering
and
it's
the
world,
the
all
somali
communities
they
can
find
every
things
for
assemblies,
whether
it's
henna
with
insurance.
Where
is
the
accounting,
whether
it's
a
restaurant?
W
Where
is
a
traditional
clothes
with
a
mosque,
whereas
anything
they
can
get
in
one
place,
one
shopping
and
actually
that
reduces
the
traffic
and
also
the
pollution
of
going
in
other
places.
So
it
is
very,
very
important
and
again
on
behalf
of
the
tenants
under
myself,
we
sincerely
supporting
and
we're
requesting
for
the
commissioner
to
look
the
perspective
of
the
terrance's
over
30
percent
of
the
most
somali
people
living
around
there.
They
shop
over
there
and
they
live
around
there,
and
it's
not
only
the
mall
for
this.
W
A
X
Thank
you,
commissioners.
My
name
is
marion
bean
executive
director
for
the
whittier
alliance.
We
are
happy
about
the
setbacks.
Thank
you
that
should
protect
the
greenway
and
the
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
the
the
carmel
mall
is
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood.
It's
an
asset
to
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
we
are
glad
that
it
is
successful
for
the
somali
community
with
that.
X
Success,
though,
has
come
some
pinching
with
the
traffic
and
parking,
and
so
I
ask
you
to
take
a
really
critical
look
at
what
is
being
proposed
for
traffic
management
and
for
the
parking
counts.
The
way
the
the
carmel
mall
will
be
used,
we'll
have
some
added
intensity
as
a
gathering
center,
so
there
will
be
some
additional
stresses
and
north
of
29th
street
it's
it's
residential
and
it
adds
more
bird
to
those
streets
and
for
parking
etc.
A
A
Y
The
question
I
had
janelle
was
related
to
a
couple
of
things.
The
applicant
mentioned
about
two
of
the
conditions,
one
the
applicant.
I
think
it
was
the
applicant's
architect
just
had
a
comment
about
condition:
number
three,
the
setback
being
instead
of
70
feet
being
at
least
68
feet.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that,
and
then
also
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
the.
I
think
it
was
the
applicant
himself.
I
I
guess
when
staff
looked
at
that
and
analyzed
it,
we
weren't
looking
at
residential
properties
because
north
of
the
greenway,
that's
primarily
the
uses
located
there
are
residential
properties,
but
for
non-residential
properties
which
are
primarily
south
of
the
greenway.
Those
usually
have
flat
roofs
so
to
fit
in
with
that
commercial
context,
that's
where
our
recommendation
came
from,
but
yes,
there
are
pitch
roofs
and
flat
roofs
in
this
area.
A
Z
I
Z
Well,
I
think,
specifically,
when
you
read
through
it,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
issues
are
related
to
double
parking
of
cars.
Obviously,
there's
there's
an
increased
volume,
but
double
parking
of
cars
and
ensuring
that
access
is
is
free-flowing
and
that
automobiles
aren't
being
stopped.
And
so
I
think
one
of
the
recommendations
in
there
was
that
the
landowner
property
owner
would
be
providing
an
attendant.
Z
It
doesn't
specify
when
the
attendant
would
be.
You
know
on
duty
for
what
types
of
events
hours,
but
it
seems
like
it's
a
it's
something
good
that
would
potentially
keep
that
free-flowing
movement
in
preventing
the
double
parking
which
it
sounds
like
that's
one
of
the
big
issues
related
to
circulation
in
and
around
the
building.
N
I
AA
I
Yes,
ms
bean
emailed
me
this
morning
and
she
said
that
the
windows
face
in
this
radar
again
are
blocked
up.
Whenever
we
get
an
application
before
we
can
deem
it
for
completeness,
we
do
send
an
inspector
out
to
make
sure
that
they're
in
compliance
with
those
previous
approval,
so
at
that
time
they
were
in
compliance
and
as
that's
happened
before,
where
they
filled
back
up
again.
So
at
this
point
it's
more
complaint
driven,
but
you
know
it.
J
I
Y
A
J
Them
my
concerns
really
are
how
this
project
faces
the
public
spaces.
It's
not
about
necessarily
the
internal
circulation
or
the
the
aesthetics
of
of
the
project,
but
how
it
faces
the
public
streets.
So
with
with
those
thoughts
in
mind,
I'd
like
to
add
a
condition.
Number
nine
that
all
on
excuse
me.
All
lighting
on-site
building
mounted
or
pole
mounted
be
full
cut
off.
A
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
president.
I'm
not
an
architect,
but
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
appearance
of
this
parking
garage.
I
can't
imagine
us
allowing
an
open
parking
structure
in
most
of
the
buildings
that
we
see,
and
so
I
I
mean
I
would
add
another
condition
that
would
require
screening
of
the
parking
garage.
F
F
A
Sounds
fine?
Oh,
I
did
a
good
job
there.
Okay,
you
got
that
one
jason!
Okay,
that's
a
condition!
Number
12
about
screening
the
the
parking
structure,
any
discussion
on
that
all
in
favor
say:
aye.
Okay.
Our
main
motion
now
has
12
conditions.
Any
further
discussion
on
the
main
motion
to
approve
the
site
plan.
AB
A
M
AC
For
the
first
application
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
a
reception
or
meeting
hall
in
the
c2
neighborhood
corridor.
Commercial
district.
Next
is
a
variance
of
the
rear
yard
requirement
from
seven
feet
to
zero
feet.
Next,
a
variance
to
reduce
the
minimum
off
street
parking
requirement
from
70
spaces
to
six
spaces,
and
then
there
are
four
variances.
A
sodium
associated
with
the
proposed
sign
for
the
building.
AC
One
is
to
increase
the
maximum
height
of
a
sign
from
28
feet
to
39
feet.
One
is
to
increase
the
extension
of
a
projecting
sign
from
four
feet
to
approximately
six
feet.
Another
is
to
increase
the
maximum
area
per
projecting,
sign
from
20
square
feet
to
130
square
feet
and,
finally,
a
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
size
allocation
of
signs
from
101
square
feet
to
130
square
feet.
AC
AC
The
building
at
10,
21
east
franklin
avenue,
was
constructed
in
1916
as
a
silent
movie
theater.
These
are
the
original
blueprints
for
the
theater
and
it
remained
a
movie
theater
for
over
60
years
in
the
1970s
it
was
converted
to
an
adult
film
theater,
and
at
that
time
the
building's
facade
was
covered
and
the
building
looked
like
this.
From
about
the
70s
to
the
1990s
in
the
late
1990s,
the
building
was
converted
into
the
franklin
artworks.
The
facade
was
removed
from
the
building.
AC
AC
And
at
that
time
the
building
was
used
as
a
art
gallery,
with
flexible
theater
and
performance
space
and
franklin
artworks
closed
last
year
and
the
current
owners
purchased
the
building
and
its
adjacent
parking
lot
early
this
year.
So
the
current
owner
is
proposing
to
renovate
the
building
for
use
as
a
private
event
venue,
which
is
classified
in
the
zoning
code
as
a
reception
or
meeting
hall.
This
is
a
conditional
use
in
the
c2
district
and
requires
a
conditional
use
permit.
AC
Also,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
645
square
foot.
One
story
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
building
to
be
used
for
storage
and,
finally,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
a
130
square
foot
double
faced,
illuminated
projecting
sign.
The
sign
is
intended
to
recreate
the
character
of
a
historic
theater
sign
in
reference
to
the
building's
original
use.
AC
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
applicants,
our
applications
as
they
are
in
the
staff
report,
so
first
I'll
address
the
conditional
use
permit
as
you'll
see
in
the
staff
findings
on
pages
12
or
2
to
seven
staff
finds
that
the
use
of
the
property
as
a
reception
or
meeting
hall
would
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
the
surrounding
area.
The
use
of
the
property
as
a
reception
or
meeting
halls
found
to
be
consistent
with
policies
from
our
comprehensive
plan
which
support
commercial
uses
along
commercial
corridors
such
as
franklin
avenue.
AC
AC
Next
I'll
go
to
the
rear
yard
variant,
so
the
applicant
is
also
asking
for
a
variance
of
their
rear
yard
requirement
to
allow
for
a
one-story
storage
edition,
which
you
can
see
in
this
elevation.
It
would
be
faced
in
brick
to
match
the
building
and
the
typically
commercial
uses
do
not
have
yard
requirements.
AC
With
the
one
story:
storage
edition,
there's
here's
a
photo
of
what
that
space
behind
behind
the
building
looks
like
right
now,
so
there's
about
a
10
foot,
concrete
block
wall
that
separates
the
parking
area
from
the
kind
of
empty
space
behind
the
building
and
then
there's
about
a
four
foot
or
six
foot
concrete
retaining
wall
topped
by
a
four
foot
chain
link
fence.
So
essentially
the
storage
addition
would
fill
in
this
entire
space.
AC
Staff
was
recommending
that
the
applicant
consider
a
roof
design
that
discourages
people
from
jumping
on
top
of
the
roof,
essentially
also
necessary.
For
this,
this
proposal
is
a
variance
of
the
off
street
parking
requirement.
So
per
the
zoning
code.
A
reception
or
meeting
hall's
parking
requirement
is
equal
to
30
of
the
capacity
of
the
people
in
the
building,
so
the
building's
capacity
is
450
people.
That
means
that
its
parking
requirement
is
135
spaces.
AC
AC
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
actually
meet
that
70
space
requirement,
but
you
by
using
utilizing
valet
parking
off-site
and
the
zoning
code
specifies
that
only
hotels,
restaurants
and
theaters
can
count
valet
parking
towards
their
off
street
parking
requirement.
So
that
means
that
this
use
a
reception
or
meeting
hall
cannot
count
that
valet
parking
towards
their
parking
requirement.
So
therefore
they
need
a
variance.
AC
The
applicant
will
has
stated
that
they
will
be
able
to
fit
25
spaces
on
their
adjacent
lot.
When
valley
cars
are
parked
because
they
stack
them
and
they
don't
need
aisles
and
then
they're
proposing
to
they
have.
Oh,
I
wanted
to
note
so
in
your
packet
there
was
an
intent
to
lease
space
about
300
feet
from
the
site
for
that
valet
parking
and
that
was
actually
incorrect
and
I've
provided
the
updated
map
and
updated
intent
to
lease
document.
AC
Therefore,
we
recommend
it
as
a
condition
of
approval
that
the
minimum
parking
requirement
of
70
spaces
must
be
met
through
valet
parking
and
or
a
shared
parking
agreement
which
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
city
prior
to
the
property
owner
being
able
to
obtain
their
building
permits
or
any
other
licenses
from
the
city
staff
found
that
there
are
practical
difficulties
in
meeting
the
off-street
parking
requirement
of
70
spaces.
Considering
the
size
of
the
adjacent
lot,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
meet
that
space
with
valet
and
staff
believes
it's
reasonable
to
utilize.
AC
AC
Staff
is
also
recommending
another
condition
that
six
bicycle
parking
spaces
be
provided
in
order
to
alleviate
some
of
the
need
for
the
parking
and
finally
I'll
get
to
the
sign
which
has
four
variances
which
I'll
discuss
together.
So
it's
a
double
face.
Illuminated
projecting
sign,
as
I
said,
which
is
intended
to
recreate
the
character
of
a
historic
theater
sign,
and
so
as
you've
read
in
the
staff
report,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
two
of
the
variances
approval
of
one
of
the
variances,
with
conditions
and
denial
of
the
final
variants.
AC
Staff
found
that
practical
difficulties
did
exist
in
complying
with
the
ordinance
and
trying
to
achieve
the
character
of
a
historic
theater
sign
staff
found
that
the
increase
in
height
and
projection
of
a
projecting
sign
would
not
lead
to
an
increase
in
sign
clutter
and
would
be
in
character
with
a
historic
theater
building.
However,
the
maximum
size
allocation
of
signs
on
this
building
is
101
square
feet.
AC
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
130
square
foot
sign
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
that
variance,
as
we
believe
it
is
still
reasonable
to
achieve
the
character
of
the
historic
theater
sign
and
have
adequate
signage
for
the
building.
While
also
meeting
that
provision
in
the
zoning
code
sign
regulations
are
established
to
allow
effective
signage
while
minimizing
visual,
clutter
and
minimize
the
adverse
effects
on
nearby
properties.
AC
AC
M
Y
AC
G
G
AC
A
L
Hello
again,
I'm
scott
nelson
from
djr,
and
this
is
a
project
that
our
office
has
literally
been
working
on.
Since
I
started
with
them
in
1986.,
our
office
was
originally
literally
right
across
the
street.
From
from
the
franklin
theater,
which
looks
a
lot
like
the
photograph
that
that
staff
had
the
we
did,
we
worked
for
a
number
of
different
organizations
to
try
and
get
that
project
going
through
the
years
before
the
the
artworks
came
through
and
became
a
gallery
and
it
was,
it
was
always
somewhat
underutilized.
L
So
it's
really
it's
really
gratifying
to
have
first
and
first
come
in
and
and
take
this
building
and
kind
of
complete
the
renovation
and
we're
doing
some
additions
to
the
mezzanine
to
to
make
it
a
really
viable
functional
meeting
space
for
the
phillips
community.
So
that
said,
the
the
couple
of
comments
that
were
related
architecturally,
the
the
concern
about
the
rear
roof
coming
up
against
the
of
the
the
addition
coming
up
against
the
ground.
I
think,
because
there's
a
little
offset
there's
actually
a
raised
the
land
behind
it
is
actually
raised.
L
J
L
A
AD
My
name
is
thor:
adam
2122,
elliott,
avenue
also
silver
resident
of
ventura
village
and
the
chair
one
reason,
and
they
stated
that
the
email
was
requesting
time.
I
just
reread
it.
It
was
saying
they
look
forward
to
meeting
us
at
the
july
meeting,
so
just
a
little
discrepancy
or
misunderstanding
on
those.
AD
The
village
market
is
also
in
ventura
village.
Parking
from
that
goes
all
the
way
down
to
franklin
and
actually
the
parking
lot,
that's
shared
by
first
and
first,
the
the
restaurant
that
is
there.
He
has
people
who
park
in
his
restaurant
and
walk
down
to
the
village
market.
So
you
have
a
four
block
infiltration
from
another
business.
When
you
look
at
the
grandfathered
spaces,
the
total
amount
of
spaces
was
a
135,
so
65
of
those
spaces
then
are
being
met
by
what's
not
available
on
the
street.
AD
So
we,
you
already
have
a
an
issue
with
on-street
parking,
that's
not
being
solved
the
valet
parking.
What
we
just,
I
think
we
that's
a
wonderful
option,
what
they
have
an
intent
to
discuss.
There
isn't
an
intent.
The
lease
has
not
been
extricated
and
just
talking
with
norway
house
so
another
another
issue
is
just
really
wanting
to
make
sure,
although
it's
a
good,
a
good
solution
wanting
to
make
sure
that
the
pieces
are
in
place.
AD
I
think
to
sum
up
with
a
project
like
this
venture
village
is
very
excited
about
this
type
of
development
coming,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
as
we
go
through
each
step,
it's
done
well,
it's
successful
and
it's
a
long-term
project,
and
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
it's
done
in
a
timely
manner
and
again
back
to
the
parking
that
really
will
make
or
break
some
of
these
things
and
really
love
to
see
those
questions
they
answered
more
concretely
than
abstract.
Thank
you.
AD
I
some
some
of
the
individ,
I
mean
I,
we
submitted
a
list
of
of
questions
and
and
there's
always
whenever
you
come
to
a
housing
and
land
use
meeting.
There
are
always
many
questions
that
arise
and
kind
of
little
critiques.
One
example
that
we've
had
is
the
baraka
daycare
came
and
we
just
could
address
certain
issues:
lighting
different
things
that
come
up
to
make
a
safer
again,
a
more
successful
thing.
AD
AE
AE
1815
13th
avenue
south
the
neighborhood
back
when
it
was
people
of
phillips,
had
put
a
lot
of
dollars
into
this
building
because
they
wanted
it
to
be
a
youth
center
that
didn't
work.
Then
the
dollars
ended
up
coming
back
to
the
neighborhood
when
it
was
sold,
because
there
was
some
sort
of
a
mortgage,
then
we
put
more
dollars
into
it.
We
turned
around
and
put
dollars
into
fixing
it
up,
making
it
look
the
way
it
does
now.
AE
So
we're
really
anxious
to
have
it
work,
and
we
really
want
this
to
be
successful,
but
the
biggest
problem
we
have
is
parking
and,
as
thor
mentioned,
the
somali
market,
which
is
called
the
village
market,
is
just
four
blocks
away
and
we
have
the
same
issues
with
that
market
as
they
do
in
whittier
with
carmel
square.
So
parking
is
a
huge
issue
and
we
have
someone
here
from
norway
house
who
said
even
though
they
have
been
approached
about
doing
the
valet
parking
in
their
lot.
AE
There
is
no
agreement
at
this
point,
so
that's
a
very,
very
big
issue
for
us
that
there
isn't
going
to
be
enough
parking.
The
second
thing
that
I
would
like
to
ask
is,
if
there's
anything
in
this
site
plan
about
fencing
their
parking
lot,
because
there
are
two
businesses
on
franklin
avenue
to
the
west
of
the
theater
and
those
businesses
have
people
who
use
the
theater's
parking
lot
all
the
time.
AE
AE
The
other
thing
is
it's
really
important
in
a
neighborhood
like
ours
to
have
the
neighborhood
support
the
project
from
the
beginning
in
order
to
make
it
successful
and
that's
why
we're
asking
that
you,
you
postpone
your
decision
until
the
new
owners
can
come
to
us.
Do
a
presentation
have
their
parking
plan
in
place
signed
with
norway
house
or
whoever,
maybe
there's
parking
in
the
parking
lot
from
the
bakery
which
is
across
the
street
the
other
way.
I
don't
know
the
bakery
closes
in
the
evening.
They
have
parking
places
behind
that.
AE
AF
Hi
I'm
melissa
gorman
with
first
in
first
and
we
we
have.
I
know,
we've
missed
thor
and
I
have
been
trying
to
communicate
to
come
in
and
to
speak
and
I
believe
I'm
on
the
schedule
for
later
on
in
august,
but
I'm
not
sure
quite
yet.
Maybe
that's
not
true,
but
just
wanted
to
speak
a
little
bit
on
some
of
the
points
that
were
raised.
AF
We
do
have
a
letter
of
intent.
While
I
don't
have
a
completed
lease
with
the
norway
house,
we
have
a
letter
of
intent,
that's
signed
that
was.
We
had
an
original
one
that
I
believe,
lisa
steiner
referenced,
that
had
the
incorrect
premise
addresses.
So
we
got
an
updated
one
signed
as
as
recent
as
today.
AF
The
reason
why
we
we
secured
this
letter
of
intent
with
norway
house
was
that
the
other
parking
lots
were
a
little
smaller,
so
it
would
have
been
more
of
a
piecemeal
which
we're
happy
to
do
and
our
valet
parking
company
has
done
in
many
other
instances,
but
this
just
seemed
like
the
the
easiest
solution,
but
if,
for
some
reason
this
doesn't
come
to
fruition,
we're
happy
to
reach
out
to
these
other
people
who
have
expressed
interest
in
supporting
our
parking
needs
and
securing
a
lease
with
them.
We're
confident
that
we're
able
to
do
so.
AF
AF
There
is
about
three
to
four
times
the
occupancy
of
the
franklin,
and
they
have
always
been
very
successful
in
securing
parking,
even
during
the
all-star
games,
which
is
a
great
feat,
so
we're
confident
that
we
are
going
to
be
successful
and
securing
parking
and
keeping
it
off
the
streets
and
keeping
it
out
of
the
neighborhoods
and
keeping
it
in
designated
parking.
Lots.
AF
Y
AF
Well,
we
actually
have
leases
that
we
secure
with
each
individual,
so
I
don't
know
from
a
city
how
how
the
city
can
keep
us
doing
it,
but
for
for
us
we
do
secure
leases
with
each
of
our
clients,
and
that
can
be
just
part
of
our
lease
term.
We've
done
it
in
the
past
and
it
just
it
makes
sense
for
this
location
and
really
it's
we've
found
that
it's
more
of
a
service
that
uptown
valley
offers
and
and
from
our
experience
at
aria.
AF
Y
AF
AF
AG
Please
certainly
I'm
a
dan
kaufman
kaufmann,
sign
company
we've
been
located
in
beautifying
minneapolis
since
1935
and
in
the
past
we've
done
many
marquees
and
theaters
in
minneapolis,
we've
done
the
pantages,
the
heights,
the
kohl's
theater,
just
to
name
a
couple
off
the
top.
My
head,
the
capri
theater,
but
I
want
to
address
the
the
projecting
sign.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
This
drawing
right
here
is
the
exact
same
sign.
I
put
a
box
around
the
top
of
the
new,
and
I
put
a
box
around
franklin
and
all
of
a
sudden
this,
besides
that
sign
drops
down
to.
I
can't
read
without
my
glasses,
drops
down
to
110
square
feet
if
you
figure
it
that
way,
this
one
over
here
to
the
right
same
exact,
same
sign,
but
if
you
take
out
all
the
dead
space
around
it,
it's
actually
87
and
a
half
square
feet.
AG
I
know
I
know
how
the
rules
are.
I've
been
we've
been
doing
business
for
50
years,
but
this
is
just
a
maybe
a
little
bit
of
well,
I
don't
know
fodder
for
if
some
people
are
on
the
fence
about
deciding
about
the
square
footage
about
how
we
they
go
about
it
and
how
they
could
vote
in
favor
of
the
130
square
foot
sign.
AG
AG
A
J
P
M
A
M
A
A
A
Okay,
that
takes
care
of
that
item
number
nine
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
participation.
Now
we
move
to
item
11.
by
the
way,
if
you're
here
for
other
than
item
11
or
12,
everything
else
has
been
taken
care
of
through
the
consent
agenda
as
posted
up
there.
Our
report
will
be
from
mailing
anderson.
AH
Good
evening,
commissioners,
master
properties
on
behalf
of
tgma
developers
has
submitted
land
use,
applications
for
the
five
properties
between
2004
and
2018
lindell
avenue
south
for
a
new
six-story
mixed-use
development
with
82
dwelling
units.
The
applications
before
you
tonight
include
a
petition
to
re-zone
four
of
the
properties
from
c1
to
the
c2
neighborhood
corridor,
commercial
district.
AH
AH
AH
The
entire
site
is
approximately
35
000
square
feet
and
currently
contains
two
one-story
buildings
and
two
surface
parking
lots.
The
current
uses
on
the
site
include
a
theater,
a
thrift
store,
barber
shop,
a
dry,
cleaner
tailor
and
an
art
gallery.
The
site
is
generally
flat.
However,
on
franklin
avenue
there
is
an
increase
in
grade
to
the
west.
AH
AH
The
area
surrounding
the
site
contains
various
commercial
and
residential
uses,
including
bars,
restaurants,
retail
spaces,
a
vision,
loss
center,
grocery
store
is
a
gas
station
and
a
laundromat
directly
to
the
west
and
throughout
the
greater
surrounding
area.
There
are
several
three
to
four
story:
multi-family
residential
buildings
with
and
also
low
density,
resident,
low
density,
housing.
AH
AH
AH
Spaces,
so
just
to
to
get
into
the
findings
that
support
the
applications
before
you.
The
the
rezoning
petition
is
a
result
of
the
site
having
split
zoning
and
the
resulting.
The
rezoning
of
the
four
properties
would
result
in
a
uniform
zoning
district
and
also
allow
a
wider
range
of
goods
and
services
along
both
a
community
corridor
which
would
be
franklin
avenue
and
a
commercial
corridor
which
is
glendale
avenue.
South.
M
AH
The
entire
building
would
not
total
seventy
three
and
a
half
feet
above
the
adjacent
grade.
So,
as
you
see
in
the
rendering,
the
the
tallest
point
is
here
right
at
the
corner,
all
as
it
steps
down
on
lindale,
that's
five
stories,
so
the
most
of
lindale
would
actually
experience
more
of
a
five-story
building
and
then
the
parking
garage
behind
it
is
four
stories.
AH
AH
AH
This
is
a
cross-section
of
the
proposed
development.
It
shows
you
that,
because
of
the
grade
change,
the
adjacent
properties
to
the
west
are
actually
about
level
with
the
five
star.
The
top
of
the
five
story
portion
of
the
building
the
six
story
portion
would
still
be
above
that,
but
it
does
minimize
the
impact
of
shadowing.
AH
AH
M
AH
The
only
reason
the
setback
is
there
is
because
the
stories
above
the
first
floor
have
residential
windows,
and
so
that's
triggering
the
setback
and
staff
doesn't
have
a
problem
with
that
for
the
west,
the
west
rear
setback.
So
this
is
actually
triggered
where
we
we've
said
that
the
variance
is
to
reduce
it
from
15
feet
to
three
and
a
half
feet.
So
there's
the
shortest
point
between
the
building
wall
and
the
property
line
on
this
side
is
actually
3.7
feet,
which
is
right
here.
AH
The
closest
dimension
would
be
20
feet
from
building
wall
to
building
wall,
so
the
applicant
has
made
progress
in
in
reduced
and
expanding
the
distance
between
the
the
proposed
parking
facility
and
the
property
line.
However,
as
proposed
right
now,
the
the
design
of
the
building
is
a
very
open
design.
AH
So
as
a
condition,
we're
recommending
that
you
had
a
condition
to
fully
enclose
all
sides
of
the
parking
facility
on
the
west
and
south
sides
to
to
reduce
that
impact
of
the
parking
facility
and
and
also
because
the
applicant
is
requesting
one
item
of
alternative
compliance
for
all
of
site
plan
review.
It's
just
related
to
the
parking
garage
not
being
screened,
and
that
would
take
care
of
that
as
well.
AH
AH
Staff
has
received
approximately
33
comments
regarding
the
project
which
have
been
included
in
your
packets
tonight.
Many
of
these
letters
express
concern
for
the
height
of
the
building
and
the
building
setback.
Variances,
a
representative
of
lowry
hill
east
neighborhood
association
has
stated
that
the
board
has
voted
four
to
three
to
oppose
the
project.
I'm
here
to
help
answer
any
questions.
G
M
AI
AI
AI
AI
With
all
these
varied
uses,
I
wish
to
thank
the
staff
for
all
their
hard
work
and
their
professionalism.
There
was
just
a
myriad
of
how
to
we.
How
can
one
with
this
project
we're
here
as
the
applicant
to
answer
any
questions
or
go
into
further
or
greater
detail?
As
those
questions
come
up,
I'd
like
to
introduce
pete
keely
from
collage
architects,
who's,
the
architect
of
record
on
this
project
and
pete's
here
as
well.
To
answer
any
questions,
so
this
project
has
been
in
planning
a
long
time.
AI
AI
AI
J
AJ
AJ
I
think
it
might
be
it's
the
enclosure
part's
easy,
the
making
it
look
decent
is
might
be
the
rest
of
the
question.
This
is
a
precast
structure.
So,
with
the
precast
structure,
we
do
have
a
couple
opportunities,
because
the
width
and
the
depth
of
the
beams
is
different
than
the
width
of
the
depth
of
the
wall.
So
we
have
the
ability
to
play
with
some
wall
depth,
as
was
per
the
original
and
the
ideas
in
the
original,
which
was
adding
a
green
screen.
AJ
AJ
So
there
it's
another
question
on
the
openness
is
you
know
we're
assuming
that
the
openness
goes
to
the
height
of
that
42
inch
guardrail
height,
but
there
would
likely
be
some
sort
of
delineation
along
the
top,
which
would
provide
some
openness
to
lighten
that
portion
up.
It
rely
generally
on
the
screening
with
the
landscaping
and
then
changing
the
wall
planes
and
changing
some
materials.
AJ
That's
kind
of
what
I'm
saying
actually
is
that
the
precast
design
is
the
post
and
beam
system,
and
that
would
be
infilled
with
a
certain
set
of
panels
that
were
that
wall
depth
and
so
that
that
design
that's
there
would
have
a
separate
set.
It
may
still
be
precast,
it
may
be
cmu,
but
we
can
still
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
modulate
that
wall
rather
than
build
a
say,
poured
concrete
wall
that
would
be
continuous
or
tilt
up.
Precast
wall.
J
AJ
And
unfortunately,
I
wasn't
there
at
the
time
to
talk
about
it,
so
it
gives
me
the
opportunity
now
they're,
it's
a
perforated
metal
panel,
so
it's
an
aluminum
kind
of
panelized
system
as
a
metal
gauge
system
with
an
aluminum
channel
along
that
edge.
It's
doing
a
couple
things.
So
what
it's
doing
is
it's
coming
from
the
recesses
generally,
the
recesses
of
the
building.
AJ
It
is
on
the
recess
and
then
extends
out
past
the
recess
so
where
it
is
in
the
recess,
it's
actually
screening
the
magic
packs,
and
so
one
of
the
devices
that
we
were
using
to
screen
the
magic
pack
was
to
put
a
perforated
panel
in
front
of
the
magic
pack.
So
you're
not
looking
up.
We
went
to
great
efforts
to
turn
them
90
degrees,
but
that
works
great
in
elevation.
But
in
perspective
you
see
that
so
the
panel
was
intended
to
kind
of
screen
that
edge
and
then
bring
it
forward.
AJ
The
intent
on
the
entire
project
and
the
modulation
within
that
is
to
provide
over
time,
especially
at
night
and
during
the
day
in
shadows,
is
that
it
kind
of
has
this
ability
to
to
morph
and
light
patterns
and
shadows
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
it
is
creating
that
on
the
east
side,
it
does
create
some
of
the
shadows
that
come
through
so
that
you
have
that
play
of
light
along
that
side.
AJ
That's
not
as
true
on
the
north
side,
but
we
are
continuing
that
it's
also
to
kind
of
connect
the
you
know
to
kind
of
connect,
some
of
the
or
provide
some
verticality
within
this
now
the
rest
of
the
it
is
a
a
seamed
metal
panel,
so
I
think
it's
doing
and
then
finally,
it
will
provide
the
ability
to
grow
things
on
it.
So
the
thought
was,
if
you
have
this
perforated
panel.
AJ
Much
like
you
have
on
the
west
side
is
that
individual
tenants
could
begin
to
do
potter's
plants
and
whatnot
and
begin
to
grow
up
this
kind
of
lattice
perforated
panel.
So
can
they
go
away?
Yes,
that's
a
possibility,
but
the
intent
is
to
to
provide
some
screening
for
of
the
magic
panics
essentially
and
provide
animation
of
the
building.
AJ
J
A
Oh,
did
you
have
other
questions?
Okay,
other
commissioners,
questions
of
the
architect.
I
don't
see
any.
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
continue
the
public
hearing,
how
many
people
want
to
speak
on
this
topic,
one
two,
three:
four:
five:
six:
seven:
eight
and
how
many
are
basically
four
and
how
many
are
against
how
many
are
four
one.
A
AK
Juliette
my
address
is
1325
west
25th
and
a
half
straight,
but
the
history
that
I
have
with
the
corner.
It
goes
back
at
least
to
my
grandparents
who
lived
in
2011..
The
house
was
sold
when
my
father
was
probably
around
30..
He
grew
up
there
and
so
I've
had
a
lot
of
family
history
about
who
lived
there,
who
was
nearby
and
for
anybody
who
might
be
from
that
location.
AK
You
may
see
us
walking
by
a
couple
times
a
week
and
that's
why
we're
not
there
for
anything
else,
but
I
also
frequent
the
wedge
steeple
people,
thrift
store
where
I
shop
and
volunteer
and
the
barber
shop
there
is
the
main
one
that
we
go
to
my
basic
thought.
Well,
first,
it's
I
saw
in
the
notes
out
there
that
it
looks
like
it's
not
listed
as
a
brown
site,
but
my
father
remembers
taking
his
card
to
a
automotive
place,
they're
both
for
repair
and
to
get
gas.
AK
I
tentatively
support
this.
I
support
higher
density
in
minneapolis.
I
think
it's
good
for
the
neighborhood.
I
think
it
helps
bring
more
services
in
it
increases
the
frequency
of
public
transit.
It
provides
more
people
on
the
streets
and
overall,
I
am
very
much
for
having
more
people
in
our
neighborhood.
AK
I
have
a
slight
concern
about
the
sidewalk
on
the
franklin
side,
which
has
been
very
poorly
shoveled
historically,
but
I
would
hope
that
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
addressed
both
in
how
the
area
was
built,
as
well
as
how
it
was
maintained.
I
am
very
hesitant
about
the
amount
of
parking
that's
involved.
It
seems
to
be.
I
don't
know
what
the
air
quality
is.
If
you're
allowing
fresh
air
into
a
parking
garage.
I
assume
there's
disgusting
air
going
out.
I
know
that
people
tend
to
idle
a
lot,
especially
in
the
winter.
A
AL
AL
Currently,
the
intersection
is
pretty
dismal
if
you're
walking
through
it
kind
of
dodging
cars
and
buses
and
trucks,
and
things
like
that.
Obviously,
this
project
will
be
a
pretty
big
improvement
over.
What's
there
right
now,
which
is
basically
surface
parking
lot
and
a
couple
low,
slung
buildings.
I
think
it's
really
nice
that
the
developer
was
able
to
incorporate
the
theater
into
the
new
project.
I
think
that's
all
I
got
to
say.
AM
My
name
is
aaron
eisenberg.
I
live
at
709
douglas
about
two
and
a
half
blocks
away,
long
time,
youtube
and
public
access
tv
watcher
first
type
speaker.
So
we
have
a
fan.
I
really
so
much
fun
too.
I
don't
know
you
know
so
much
fun.
I
can
see
why
you
guys
love
this.
I
live
really
close
and
right
now
you
know
this
is
a
major
intersection
and
it
is
an
embarrassment.
AM
It's
two
major
streets
that
should
have
a
quality,
high
density
development
and
the
developer
has
graciously
listened
to
neighborhood
feedback,
and
I
feel
bent
over
backwards
to
make
this
happen
and
tried
to
thread
a
very
tough
needle
between
making
it
affordable
making
it.
You
know
work
with
the
neighborhood
and
making
it
economically
feasible,
and
I
think
they've
done
a
great
job
with
that
and
I'm
just
here,
because
I
want
to
see
this
kind
of
stuff
happen.
AM
N
My
name
is
michael
rhoden.
I
live
2841
bryant
avenue
south.
I
lived
in
the
wedge
for
about
a
year
and
I
lived
downtown
for
two
years
before
that.
The
reason
I
came
to
minneapolis
and
the
reason
I
want
to
stay
in
minneapolis
is
because
minneapolis
is
an
exciting
place
to
be,
and
it's
growing,
I
think
our
city
government,
our
new
city
government,
is
really
looking
for
ways
to
grow
minneapolis
in
a
sustainable
and
economically
better
way
and
part
of
that
part
of
bringing
our
our
city
into
the
future
in
a
healthy
way.
N
Economically,
is
density
and
is
getting
rid
of
so
many
accommodations
for
cars
and
car
storage,
and
while
I
shared
a
sentiment
that
I'd
like
to
see
even
less
parking,
I
think
this
is
a
great
stepping
stone
to
that
future.
I
think
franklin
lindale
are
a
two
very
trafficked
very
important
thoroughfares
in
our
city,
and
I
think,
if
not,
if
we
can't
grow
at
that
intersection,
then
I
don't
know
where
we
can
grow.
It
seems
like
the
most
obvious
spot
in
the
wedge
and
one
of
the
best
spots
in
the
city.
N
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
concern
in
the
neighborhood
about
affordability
and
I
share
that
concern.
I'm
a
board
member
of
the
of
lena-
and
I
was
I
was
one
of
the
three
votes
to
approve
this
project.
It
was
a
respectful,
but
you
know
definitely
a
disagreement
and
a
close
vote.
So
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
neighborhood
who
share
the
sentiment
of
wanting
to
grow
and
a
lot
of
them.
N
Unfortunately,
either
don't
know
or
don't
have
the
time
to
make
their
voice
heard,
but
it
seems
everybody
in
my
peers
set
that
I
talked
to
is
very
excited
about
this.
When
they
hear
about
it
most
of
the
time
they
haven't
heard
about
it,
it
seems
the
opposition
is
very
well
tuned
in
and
has
a
lot
has
the
the
time
and
energy
to
do
it?
N
A
AN
Matthew
curran,
1724
emerson,
avenue
south.
I
often
walk
with
my
father
and
sometimes
myself
to
the
co-op
across
the
street
from
the
development,
and
I
definitely
think
that
increasing
the
residential
population
in
the
neighborhood
is
going
to
make
walking
across
the
intersection
a
nicer
nicer
process.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Anyone
else,
okay,
you
were
very
efficient
with
your
time.
Let's
move
on
to
those
who
have
concerns,
they
want
to
express
again
20
minutes,
we'll
start
it
here
come
on
up
in
whatever
order
you
want
be
considerate
of
others
who
want
to
speak.
Keep
your
comments,
brief,
keep
them
to
the
applications
that
we're
dealing
with
and
try
not
to
repeat
too
much.
AO
AO
Our
home
was
built
in
1898
and
we've
made
substantial
improvements,
basically
we're
very
committed
to
the
community
as
well
and
the
quality
of
its
neighboring
buildings,
and
we
do
appreciate
the
interest
of
the
builders
and
the
property
owners
to
improve
and
invest
in
the
corner.
That's
very
important
and
we'd
like
to
see
the
improvements.
AO
AO
We
think
that
a
a
six-story
building
on
franklin
here
at
this
corner
would
look
out
of
place
if
you
were
to
drive,
which
I
do
from
this
area
all
the
way
over
to
hiawatha.
There
isn't
any
other
buildings
at
six
stories
high,
including
at
park
in
portland
and
nicolette,
where
there's
some
recent
developments.
AO
The
other
thing
that's
really
important
to
note
here
is
that
we
don't
have
any
alleyways
to
buffer
this
kind
of
height.
So
on
the
south
side
of
the
wedge,
which
we
call
lana,
you
had
that
kind
of
spatial
buffer
with
the
mid
town,
greenway,
the
bike
path
and
the
commercial
activity
to
buffer
that
kind
of
height.
AB
Hi,
my
name
is
deanna
haig
and
I
live
at
2009
aldrich
avenue
south,
so
I
will
actually
be
directly
behind
on
the
parking
garage.
However,
I'm
in
the
co-op-
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
all
received
lots
of
my
letters,
so
I
won't
get
into
too
much
detail
here,
because
I'm
hoping
that
you've
read
what
I've
sent
to
you
in
my
packet
in
your
packets.
AB
However,
just
one
note
is
that
our
co-op
building
is
three
stories
and
there's
six
units
on
the
front
and
six
on
the
back,
and
I
am
in
the
back,
and
so
I
will
be
facing
directly
into
the
wall
of
the
parking
garage.
So
that
is
my
front
yard.
I've
been
coldly
called
a
nimby
by
lots
of
people,
not
my
backyard,
but
actually
it's
my
front
yard.
So
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
AB
I
was
a
long
time
resident
and
renter
in
that
neighborhood
for
five
years,
four
and
a
half
years
until
I
just
bought
my
place
at
the
end
of
october
this
last
year,
and
it
does
concern
me
that
it's
discussed
now
that
that
this
project
has
been
worked
on
for
over
a
year.
When
I
didn't
find
out
until
january,
and
I
would
not
have
bought
my
place
in
october,
had
I
known
that
I
was
suddenly
going
to
be
looking
into
a
wall,
so
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
AB
AB
They'll
encroach
on
my
front
yard,
bringing
the
parking
garage
just
a
car
length
away
a
car
length
just
think
about
that
from
my
front
windows
as
well
as
five
other
neighbors
in
my
building.
It's
unfair
and
unjust
to
subject
me
and
my
neighbors
to
simply
to
this
simply
because
it
is
more
economically
feasible
than
for
them
to
build
outside
of
for
them
to
build
outside
of
the
current
zoning
laws.
AB
So
I'd
like
to
request
that
that
the
the
developer
just
build
everything
within
the
current
zoning
laws
as
they're
currently
written
and
I'd
like
to
ask
if
the
soil
conditions
are
so
poor
that
they
cannot
build
the
parking
structure
underground.
As
the
developer
has
stated,
then
I'd
like
to
ask
how
it's
possible
that
same
soil
can
support
a
six
story
structure.
AB
It
would
make
more
sense
to
me.
I
would
think
in
the
long
run,
for
them
to
build
the
parking
garage
underground
and
then
they
can
add
on
100
extra
spaces,
whereas
if
you
note
that
there's
actually
only
20
of
them
that
are
public
spaces
of
all
that
parking,
it's
all
for
the
theater
garage
and
rudolph's
there's
only
20
public
parking
spaces.
AB
If
they
want
to
add
additional
parking
spaces
for
the
public,
they
should
go
underground
ground
where
they
could
add
like
100
of
them,
and
then
then
they
can
simply
just
build
the
retail
space
and
restaurant
space
and
apartments
in
three
stories,
as
opposed
to
six
or
even
four.
You
know,
as
currently
zoned
and
they'd
make
a
ton
more
money.
If
they
had
more
parking
spaces
underground
might
cost
a
little
more
up
front,
but
they'll
have
their
money
back
in
10
years,
as
opposed
to
20
or
30.
AB
you'll
find
also,
in
my
written
statement
that
I
also
have
concerns
regarding
increased
traffic
congestion,
the
in
and
out
of
where
the
the
parking
garage
is
is
right
across
from
the
wedge,
and
they
already
have
a
traffic
cop
sitting
there
directing
traffic.
So
I'm
really
concerned
about
that-
or
maybe
it's
not
directly
across
from
the
wedge,
but
that's
why
I
saw
it
in
the
in
the
packet
but
anyway.
AB
AB
I'll
wrap
this
up
in
just
a
second,
the
uncharacteristic
height
and
mass
of
the
development
in
our
neighborhood
and
the
longevity
of
its
future
residents,
along
with
the
unprecedent
close
proximity
to
the
parking
structure
of
its
residential
neighborhoods.
So
I
just
like
to
ask
the
development
be
designed
within
current
zoning
laws.
Oh
and
I
did
want
to
thank
staff,
though,
for
recommending
that
the
parking
structure
is
enclosed.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
AP
AP
That's
a
pretty
big
ask
and
what
I
basically
am
asking
for,
rather
than
taking
a
direct
position,
is
that
there's
some
thoughtful
contemplation
about
what
is
the
standard
for
justifying
that
and
I
didn't
hear
it
from
the
staff
I
heard
topography
but
there's
other
ways
of
dealing
with
topography.
Besides
the
proposal,
I
didn't
hear
anybody
where
and
the
city
has
made
equity
a
primary
concern
and
that's
a
primary
concern
for
me.
AP
But
there's
no
one
here,
testifying
about
how
this
project
in
any
way
improves
equity
access
to
low-income
housing,
disability
housing,
which
should
be
a
prime
consideration
on
a
transit
carter
as
well,
and
so
the
review,
given
the
lack
of
anything
positive.
What
it
seems
like
is
it's
the
right
of
one
property
owner
versus
property
owners
who
are
in
a
budding
parcels,
and
where
do
you
draw
the
line
about?
AP
Where
does
one
property
owner's
vision
of
change
require
the
impact
that
testimony
is
showing
on
the
other
property
owners,
and
I
would
just
ask
that
the
city
staff
address
that,
and
you
deliberate
that
yourselves
before
you
take
a
vote
on
this.
The
one
other
thing
I
just
want
to
mention.
I
appreciate
that
the
staff
recommendation
for
the
parking
structure
be
closed.
However,
I
don't
speak
architect
and
it
sounds
like
the
architect
was
saying
yeah,
but
we
need
air.
AP
D
Franklin
lindale
used
to
be
called
lake
blaisdell,
it
was
the
it
was
a
little
lake
and
what
any
time
it
rains
it
becomes,
a
lake
again,
a
heavy
rain,
it's
severe
flooding.
The
other
thing
is
mr
gerberting
himself
has
told
our
neighborhood
that
the
soil
is
so
poor
and
unstable
that
he
would
have
to
drive
pilings
down
to
the
bedrock
in
order
to
to
hold
the
building
up
and
because
of
those
two
issues.
D
D
They
then
sometimes
have
a
separate
area
for
commercial.
That
is
not
mixed.
In
with
the
residential
parking,
and
so
that
the
residential
part
can
be
secure
this
because
I
think
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
this
building
has
is
the
parking
structure
has
to
be
a
tall
parking
structure
above
ground,
because
nothing
can
go
underground
because
of
the
unstable
soil
and
the
flooding
issues,
so
that
makes
it
different.
It's
not
the
same
as
another
piece
of
property,
a
mile
away,
there's
already
severe.
D
Well,
I
should
say:
there's
there
has
been
criminal
activity
like
drug
dealing
and
fights
and
shootings
and
things
because
of
some
of
the
nightlife
in
the
area,
and
I
would
think
twice
about
being
a
resident
who
has
to
share
a
parking
space
with
anybody
off
the
street
who
comes
in
there
to
party
till
whatever
I
mean.
I,
I
think
it's
it's
asking
a
lot
to
have
the
the
residential
and
the
commercial
mingled
together
without
secure
for
the
for
the
residential.
AQ
Hi
john
borty
2750
dupont
avenue
south.
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
at
this,
but
I
have
a
feeling.
I
don't
think
the
city
actually
has
a
plan
of
what
they
want
to
do.
The
lower
hill
neighborhood
association
over
a
year
ago,
probably
a
year
and
three
four
months
ago,
requested
the
city
to
go
over
our
zoning
and
try
and
do
some
rezoning
with
our
neighborhood,
and
we
were
promised
a
year
that
in
a
year
they
would
start
well.
AQ
AQ
We
have
zoning
and
I'm
in
favor
of
developing
this
corner
because
I
think
it
needs
it.
But
why
don't
we
stick
with
the
zoning
we've
got?
I
have
a
vision
of
four-story
building
and
maybe
town
houses,
row
houses
down,
lindell
avenue,
something
that
will
attract
families
more
people.
We've
got
enough
apartments
along
the
greenway
which
just
attracts
the
young
urban,
professional
single
urban
professionals,
but
we're
trying
to
gentrify
our
neighborhood
by
not
making
any
housing
for
families
or
low
income
people
pretty
soon.
AQ
A
AR
People
are
moving
here
from
new
york
city
to
get
away
from
buildings
like
this.
We
don't
want
to
be
new
york
city.
We
want
to
be
unique
and
we
will
have
no
tourism
if
we
look
like
everyone
else,
this
extremely
well
publicized
development
does
not
fit
with
the
surrounding
buildings.
A
four-story
building
would
be
acceptable,
something
a
little
more
unique
something
that
fits
in
with
its
surrounding
area.
AR
A
AS
AS
AS
Not
once
have
I
heard
anything
about
the
the
discussion
of
length
of
project,
I
mean:
how
long
is
this
project
going
to
go
on?
How
is
it
going
to
disrupt
not
only
the
the
current
residents
but
the
business
owners?
I've
heard
that
the
infrastructure
of
lindale
and
franklin-
you
know
the
sewer
and
water
lines
will
not
support
this
development
without
being
redone.
So
I
have
this
vision
of
this
whole
area.
AS
That's
already
got
a
horrible
traffic
issue
being
just
torn
up
and
people
avoiding
it
like
the
plague
so
and
we
are
not,
we
are
not
new
york.
I
have
a
very
good
customer.
That's
from
new
york
that
moved
here
that
loves
the
city
and
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
what
the
impact
of
a
development
project
of
this
scale
is
going
to
do
to
that
corridor.
So
thank
you.
A
A
G
AI
Commissioner,
from
the
beginning,
we
have
said
that
this
is
not
luxury
housing.
This
project
is
priced
to
be
affordable,
housing
and
the
target
demographic
is
the
people
who
live
and
work
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
by
way
of
rent
structures.
We
are
hoping
to
be
in
that
20
to
25
percent
below
what
one
sees
I'm
sorry
15
to
20
percent
below
what
one
sees
along
the
greenway.
G
AI
AI
Yes,
as
part
of
the
presentation
that
we
made
in
one
of
our
meetings
with
the
lean
association,
we
have
contracted
with
a
geotechnical
engineer
and
he
talked
about
the
process
by
which
seismographic
monitoring
will
be
done.
There
will
actually
be
instruments
attached
to
the
surrounding
buildings
so
that
we
can
document
if
there's
any
movement
or
vibration
that
can
affect
these
buildings
structurally.
AI
A
M
A
J
J
M
G
Yeah,
I
I
I'm
gonna,
be
supporting
this
motion
only
because,
even
though
it
seems
like
a
majority
of
the
issues,
people
had
with
height
were
regarding
the
parking
ramp
and
it's
my
understanding
that
that
would
actually
fall
within
the
current
zoning
allowed.
So
reducing
the
height
wouldn't
really
have
an
impact
greatly
on
the
height
of
the
ramp.
That
would
appease
your
concern,
so,
unfortunately
it
would
it
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
make
a
difference,
so
I
I
will
be
supporting
it.
F
Thanks,
I
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
note
the
difference
here
between
the
conditional
use
permit,
which
means
aloud
with
conditions
and
the
variance
which
means
you
know
needing
to
show
evidence
of
of
different
criteria,
so
cops
mean
that
that
this
is
allowed
with
conditions,
and
I
think
the
staff
report
details
how
this
project
meets
the
conditions
of
our
cup
requirements.
So
I'll
also
be
supporting
the
cup,
and
I
think
you
know
originally.
F
J
A
H
J
A
AA
J
A
A
G
J
A
Okay,
but
let's
okay,
we've
already
added
seven,
haven't
we
okay,
so
eight
is
the
instruction
about
adding
the
the
ventilation
and
louvers
on
the
west
or
south
wall
working
with
staff.
I
moved
and
seconded
any
other
discussion
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed.
Okay.
We
now
have
the
site
plan
review,
as
recommended
by
staff
with
two
additional
conditions.
Any
other
changes,
commissioners
want
to
propose
any
further
discussion
on
the
site
plan
as
a
whole.
A
AC
So
currently,
farm
stands
are
allowed
as
accessory
to
community
gardens,
market
gardens
and
urban
farms.
A
temporary
use
permit
must
be
obtained
in
order
to
operate
a
farm
stand
they're
also
subject
to
certain
standards
listed
in
the
temporary
uses.
Chapter
of
the
code.
These
standards
include
the
farm
stands,
can
only
sell
products
that
are
grown
on
site.
They
can
only
operate
for
15
days
a
year.
AC
They
can
only
operate
from,
7
am
to
7
pm
and
only
one
stand
and
one
temporary
sign
are
allowed
and
both
must
be
removed
when
the
farm
stand's
not
in
operation,
also
they're
not
allowed
in
the
i3
general
industrial
district.
So
the
proposed
amendment
would
allow
farm
stands
accessory
to
community
gardens,
market
gardens
and
urban
farms,
but
without
the
requirement
of
a
temporary
use
permit,
it
would
move
the
specific
standards
from
the
temporary
use
chapter
to
the
accessories
chapter
and
it
would
alter
some
of
the
standards
first.
AC
AC
That
staff
just
want
to
note
is
that
might
be
created
by
the
amendment
is
that
there
might
be
an
increased
risk
for
the
farm
stand
to
cause
a
nuisance
to
neighbors
if
they
are
allowed
to
operate
for
75
days
per
year
and
aggregate
their
produce
and
therefore
have
higher
sales
volumes
in
your
packets.
I
you'll
find
the
summary
of
pure
city
research.
I
won't
go
into
that
in
detail.
G
G
A
AT
AT
AT
AT
AT
AT
Urban
farmers
and
market
gardeners
are
contributing
to
the
healthy
to
the
community's
healthy
food
access
opportunities.
They
are
creating
beautiful,
productive
spaces
in
communities
like
the
north
side
and
they
are
supporting
the
local
economy
in
ways
that
keeps
dollars
in
our
communities
and
by
supporting
the
farm,
stand
amendments
and
the
suggestions
presented
today.
We
can
all
help
local
growers
have
better
opportunity
to
grow
and
sustain
their
enterprises
and
help
neighborhoods
have
better
access
to
healthy
local
food.
Thank
you.
AU
Good
afternoon
well,
good
evening,
council,
member
chairperson,
my
name,
is
reginald
hunter
of
1511
morgan
minneapolis,
and
I
am
an
urban
farmer,
I'd
like
to
speak
to
two
of
the
few
issues
that
are
on
the
table
today,
one
being
to
definitely
increase
the
15
day
to
75
days.
Obviously,
what
could
come
out
of
that
would
be
a
higher
level
of
clientele
base
residual
cells,
as
well
as
less
spoilage
of
good
food
that
we're
offering.
AU
The
second
issue
would
be
signage
signage.
From
my
understanding,
we're
allowed
one
sign
or
sandwich
board
sign.
Obviously
folks
will
travel
in
from
different
directions.
This
would
help
us,
if
so
much
if
we
can
add
at
least
two
to
three
more
signs
in
different
directions,
making
it
easily
making
us
easily
located.
So
there's
no
confusion
as
an
urban
farmer
and
an
entrepreneur.
AU
A
lot
of
folks
forget
that
second
word
entrepreneur
and
any
business
you
have
to
have
proper
signage,
so
this
would
be
a
great
benefit
if
we
can
make
that
change.
This
will
also
help
us
to
be
more
progressive
at
getting
the
word
out
of
fresh
healthier
grown
food
for
the
community.
So
today
I
humbly
ask
these
amendments
to
the
farm
stand
regulation
be
accepted.
Thank
you.
J
It's
only
up,
while,
while
they're
they're
selling
the
food
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
consider
the
sign
to
stay
up
during
the
growing
season,
it
allows
folks
when
they're,
not
you
know
when,
when
they're
not
selling
food,
that
they
can
notice.
Oh,
like
there's
a
place
here
that
I
can
come
back
and
buy
food
when,
when
it's
open,
so
that's
just
food
for
thought.
If
we
want
to
consider
that.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
that
that
change
would
be
fine
with
me.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
guys
for
staying
for
so
long
and
for
all
the
work
that
went
into
this.
I
think
this
is
a
fantastic
common
sense
change
to
support
locally
grown
food
in
our
city,
and
I'm
really
excited
that
we're
bringing
this
forward,
and
I
fully
support
it.
G
Yeah,
I
I
too
I'm
appreciative
as
a
resident
of
north
minneapolis,
I'm
very
much
aware
of
the
of
the
gardens
and
urban
farms.
We
see
kind
of
springing
up
all
right.
It's
really
refreshing
and
invigorating.
I
in
discussing
commissioner
kronzer's
motion.
I
actually,
I
think
that
apparently
being
allowed
to
have
a
sign
that
isn't
able
to
be
moved
something
on
a
post
or
something
that
would
tell
me
the
hours
that
you
can
come
back
and
buy
something.
G
This
is
a
great
idea
because
I
you
know
you
never
know
when
you're
allowed
to
come
and
buy
stuff
the
idea
of
more
signage.
So
I
think,
if
there's
additional
signage,
it
should
be
like
a
temporary
sandwich
award.
That's
only
put
up
when
the
market
is
open.
That
way,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
sign
clutter
in
a
residential
area,
but
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
beneficial
to
have
like
sandwich
boards
at
a
corner.
Saying
go
turn
left.
You
know.