City of Minneapolis, MN 2017 Minneapolis City Planning Commission, 13 Nov 2017

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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting

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Good afternoon, I think we'll get started. I want to call to order the November 13 2017 regular meeting of the Minneapolis Planning Commission. My name is John slack I'm, the vice president. I will preside over this meeting and the absence of the president today I'm joined by commissioners, Gagnon walking up here: krons Irma, green Oh, squeezy, loop, QP, R and Rockwell.

A

At this time. Please turn off any phones or pagers. So first order of business is to approve action. Items from the October 30th 2017 meeting can I have a motion. Please motion.

B

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Seconded any discussion, all those in favor say aye opposed action has approved next order of business is to approve the agenda for this meeting here today. We will work from the agendas that you can find out in the hallway. First off we're going to sort out what items will be discussed and then subs going to leave what items we'll put on to the consent agenda.

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So item number 128, 68, West, River, Road, Parkway,.

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It's a minor subdivision application unless somebody has wants to speak in opposition to our monocyte modified staff. Recommendation for this item, we'll put it on consent.

A

You'd like to speak to this item- oh I'm, sorry will we'll get we'll get to we'll get to the that portion of the meeting, but you do want to speak to item one correct. Okay,.

A

All right item number two Sleep Number signs, 1001 third Avenue South; it's a conditional use permit and two variances, and so we'll put this on consent. Unless somebody wants to speak in opposition to or modify staff recommendation item number two: okay, not seeing any we'll put that on consent. Item number three target field: station mixed-use project, 505, sixth, Avenue North- is a registered land survey and we'll put this item on consent.

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Unless somebody wants to speak in opposition to or modify staff recommendation for, item number three, not seeing anything that will go to consent, item number four Nikko products: 29:29 First, Avenue, South and 112 118 and 120 to East Lake Street.

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It is a rezoning to variances preliminary plat and vacation of a portion of the alley. We will discuss. Item number four item. Number five is 1201 West Broadway. It is a conditional use permit and we'll put that on consent. Unless somebody wants to speak in opposition to or modify a staff recommendation for. Item number five, not seeing any will put that on consent.

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Item number six 3823 31st, Street West. It is a five variances on a site plan review. That item will be continued item number seven, the Lewis 3001 fourth Street southeast as a rezoning, a conditional use permit for maximum building height, three variances and site plan review we'll put that item on consent. Unless somebody wants to speak in opposition to our modify staff recommendation for item number, seven, all right not seeing any will put that on consent.

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Item number eight zoning text, code text amendment will be returned and then item number nine van white boulevard stationary plan will be discussed all right. So the proposed agenda for our meeting today items 2, 3, 5 and 7 will go on consent. Unless somebody wants to speak in opposition to our modify staff recommendation for those items and then items 1, 4, & 9 will be discussed today. Commissioners may have a motion to approve the proposed agenda.

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Discussion, all those in favor, say aye. Alright agendas proved next item committee: the whole consent agenda. We had two items from the November 2nd 2017 committee. Whole. The first item was a land sale for 15 for 17 Taylor, Street northeast, and the second item was a land easement, 1729 sixth Street North East.

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The recommended motion at the Committee of the Whole was to approve both of those items that they are consistent with the minneapolis plan. So can I have a motion for that motion. Second, any discussion.

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All those in favor, say aye motion carries all right on to the public hearings. First will act on those items that will be continued, and/or return and then we'll focus on the consent agenda and then F the consent agenda we'll get to the items that are going to be discussed today. So items to be continued, can I have a motion to continue item number six to the December for 2017 meeting any further discussion. All those in favor say. Aye item is continued.

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We have an item to be returned, so can I have a motion to return item number 8 any discussion, all those in favor say: aye, any abstentions. Item is continued or item is returned. Sorry, all right, so we're on the consent agenda. We're going to open the public hearing right now for those items on the consent agenda agenda. Those items are 2, 3, 5 and 7.

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So at this point, if anybody would like to speak to any of these items, whether in opposition to our modifying staff recommendations, please say so now not seeing any will close the public hearing for the consent items can I have a motion to prove staff recommendations for items, 2, 3, 5, &, 7, any discussion, all those in favor say aye motion carries.

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We are on two items for discussion. Our first item that we're gonna hear today is item number 128, 68, West, River, Parkway and staff is stéphanie ROPS.

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Good evening, members of the Commission- this is a minor subdivision request at 28 68 West River Parkway, it's located on West River, Parkway, also bordered by Dorman Avenue and 29th Street East. As you can see, it's a through lot and aerial image. Here. Historically, they were all through Lots all along this block, but, as you can see, over the years, they've been divided up.

C

The two parcels immediately to the north have been divided in half and then again, along doorman Avenue into two additional parcels, as I mentioned proposal, is to subdivide the lot they are intending to build a new single-family dwelling that will be fronting onto Dorman Avenue and reconfiguring the driveway for the existing single-family dwelling to come off of 29th Street East.

C

You can see the proposed new driveway here in the survey. It would fall roughly in line with the existing driveway, that is across the street on 29th Street East staff found that the request complied with all subdivision regulations. Zoning ordinance regulations any comprehensive plan. It would not be in Jurists interest to the use and enjoyment of other properties there wouldn't be any hazards created. These sites are both suitable for development. There will be no nonconformity is created with the subdivision requirement.

C

Each lot will be roughly 90 400 square feet each so large enough for a sizable Welling to be located on the lot and that it is there's existing utilities adequate for the proposed development, so staff is recommending approval of the minor subdivision and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Great.

A

Thank you for the presentation, commissioners. Any questions for staff at this point not seeing any. Thank you very much, we'll open the public hearing for this item first like to hear from the applicant if the applicant could come up to the and then state your name in your address.

D

My name is Kevin Luther, its re, you th er. The address is 2868 West, River Parkway.

A

Did you want to provide any additional comments, so I think.

D

Stephanie did a good job. You know we're planning to subdivide the lot and hopefully we'll build a house on it. This is my partner Jerry Terrell we've lived in south Minneapolis for twenty or so years, we'll engage in architect, build anything offensive. We're sort of downsizing it'll be a house that we can live in all right. Thank you very Commons, commissioners.

A

Any patience for the applicant okay at this point, we can open comments up to the public. If you have any I'd like to speak, please come up to the microphone and state your name and your address.

B

Jennifer Pereira, 2853, 44th, Avenue South, definitely nothing personal against my new neighbors. We moved in about a week before them. So essentially we have the house, that's just across the street from Dorman, and it really is a selfish reason that I am against the zoning. Is it's a busy corner? It's adding more to the corner.

B

You know part of the reason I bought my house I paid a hefty price for my house was that there was no house there and I can see the river that also that the River Road house was worth more than mine. So I look at comps and I'm a little concerned that now I'm gonna have two houses that are worth less than mine that have a better view and are closer to the river.

B

Therefore, you know basically just lowering my comps so just concerned value wise and also busy wise in the way of the street corner, but.

A

Great. Thank you for.

B

Your comments ask a quick question: I know of a few people who have emailed comments and are those red or how does that work? You do.

A

Yeah, we have two comments in four of us, so will we read them all.

B

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The meeting commissioners, any questions for this speaker, seeing none is there anybody else that, like to speak on this topic,.

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Please state your name and your address, sir.

E

My name is Ethan person's I live at 28, 47 and 31st Avenue South, my wife and I. We walk past. This lot frequently only go on walks and we've always thought gosh what a great place for a house. So we're really happy and yeah I would think that a city that needs to have more housing that we would willingly and enthusiastically accept this additional house into our neighborhood. Thank you.

A

Great Thank You commissioners, any questions for this speaker is there. Anybody else would like to speak on this item, seeing none I'll, close public hearing for this item. Commissioners, we have one item to approve here. Would anybody like to make a motion or start a discussion about this item.

F

Almost staff recommendation to approve the subdivision.

A

Motions been made and seconded are there any further discussions, I'll.

F

Say just briefly, you know, I understand the concerns with the views. There is not a right to view, which is not something that we are able to consider and even if it weren't subdivided. If someone were to redevelop the house on this parcel, they could move where it is on the parcel as long as it's consistent with the zoning, so she could have a house built there, even without that subdividing it.

F

So you know I understand your your concerns, but I think it is the appropriate thing to do and and in a city where we're trying to build our density a bit. This is one small nope.

A

Thank you any other discussions. Not seeing any will the clerk please take role.

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Dignan all right look appearance by you know hi.

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All right, squeezy, i60.

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Thank you very much. Item number next item up is item number for Nikko products, 29 29, 1st Avenue, south and 112 118 122nd, East, Lake, Street and staff is Hillary Dvorak.

A

Commissioner crowns er I, don't know. If, specifically, you wanted to ask questions regarding this, or would you like staff to make a presentation.

H

Via quick presentation and sure.

I

So this is a collaborative project, that's being done between Metro Transit and have been counting the city of Minneapolis and the Department of Minnesota Department of Transportation. This is in relation to the large 35 W access project, which has local and regional implications, obviously to our local system.

I

The highway project that will take place is a new exit, ramp southbound to Lake Street from 35 W, which is going to require the demolition of the existing good grocer building, as the street will be widened and part of that property will be used for the widened access ramp. What that also does is that closes to curb cuts that currently have access out onto Stevens. One is the Nyko products parking lot and then one is the public alley.

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Both of those curb cuts are all curb cuts on Stevens at this point because it went after the exit ramp from 35 W needs to be closed, and so what happens currently are the loading docks for nyko products are here as part of the project, and because these curb cuts are all getting closed, the loading docks will now be oriented north-south.

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If you will facing Lake streets, so the trucks need to use what was the good grocery site for maneuvering into and out of this loading dock, as all parties have said that there can be no access to Stevens Avenue for the site. So to make all of that happen, the applications are before you and the applications that are required to make that all happen. Is there before you tonight and as a results, then will be the the onion parking lot.

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If you will up towards the corner of Stevens and Lake student I think we recognize that this isn't the ideal situation, but this is what needs to happen in order to maintain the business in this location and make the access project work, you can see that and I apologize. This is very small.

I

This is that newly created parking area- if you will at Stevens and Lake Street, there will be a seven-foot landscape buffer along Stevens and link street, and then we do have added conditions of approval tonight to make sure that the parking lot itself is in compliance with the 5:30 chapter for screening around a parking lot, and so we have a. We have an added conditions of approval on that of the number of trees and shrubs and landscape.

I

The way, also adding a condition that that decorative metal fence that is proposed remain as part of the project. It's also my understanding that fence will be replicated in other locations along Lake Street and have been as part of the larger Lake Street project that happened sometime in the past, so those are the applications and I will stand for questions.

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You very much commissioner Thank.

H

You Hillary, um can you specifically talk about the two trees? You're proposing or staff recommendations are for conditions of approval along East, Lake Street. What.

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Do you mean the.

H

Two trees, we're.

I

Recommending that there be two trees somewhere in this landscaped area in there, okay do.

H

You have any suggestions about that fence. It seems like the sidewalk, maybe isn't quite wide enough and there's grass between the sidewalk and the decorative fence.

H

Is that what I'm? Reading correctly there.

I

My understanding follows this right here and so the let the trees would be between the fence and then that there's.

H

Some drawings that show the fence tight to the parking. That's fine actually.

I

I think you're right, I'm, sorry yep, then.

H

The the ugly curb cut on some drawings looks like it's level at the street. Is that intended to be a standard CD apron at the alley as it enters Lake Street.

I

That is a good question. I mean let the applicant answer that question.

H

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Go through PDR through the public I.

H

Mean it's it's a very large radius turn for that curved cut, and it's that's not a typical design.

H

Do you have a drawing that shows the location of the standards for the masked arms for the traffic signals and maybe even the push buttons I do.

I

Not I, don't know if that level of does I mean that's outside of the scope of the Nyko project. That's part of the larger access project. It's here we're focusing on everything inside the property line. Those are things that are outside of the property line right.

H

Got the public sidewalk on these plans looks like it's being built as part of this project per.

I

The plans that may.

H

Be that may be the applicant speak of that because it's it's part of the congestion at this corner. I.

I

Just don't know if we can solve that as part of this application, I.

H

Mean just the last question drive throughs aren't allowed in I to that correct, they're.

I

Not allowed in the PIO either I, don't I can't I shouldn't say that they're not allowed on the i2, but they're not allowed on the PIO, and these properties, the ones up front, unlike suit, will remain in the P. Oh okay, thank you. Mm-Hmm.

H

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Additional questions do.

F

You have I assume, not it's not a packet and you didn't show it, but there a picture of what the fence looks like, and you know, I think this is this: isn't a PR district and also the corner that we're talking about is the corner. That will be the view from the transit station. For me, like many many many million-dollar, transit station and and we're talking about, you know at some point, maybe that Kmart lock that's just west of here. It gets redone a bit and so I think. Oh, this is the fence. Yeah.

I

It's the standard, decorative metal fence just.

F

So so perhaps minimally decorative.

I

Higher than chain-link.

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Because I think that that this is like, if that's I, you know, I well, I, guess I'm living in discussion. So I'll pause. My question there.

A

Any other questions for staff, not seeing any. Thank you very much, we'll open the public hearing for this item. We'd first like to hear from the applicant. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address.

J

Good afternoon, commissioners, my name is Jim grube that spelled gru B, as in boy II, I worked with Hennepin County. My office address is actually 1600 Prairie Drive in Medina, not across the street I'm out in the western part of the Hennepin County. Thank you for hearing me this evening. I am also the project manager that brought together the 35w transit access project and was coordinating with our partners here, the city of Minneapolis, MnDOT and Metro transit, to name the partnership that came together for the transit access project.

J

In response to the questions that were tendered can I just answer them for you would that be okay? Commissioner? Breeland was talking about pardon you pardon me Commissioner, you were talking about the fence, condition the fencing along Lake Street. If you look a stand, west of the 35w area has a green, decorative fence. The fence that's proposed at this time by for the Nyko product site, is not that fence.

J

At the same time, I'm working with your city staff to put in a special services district for increased landscaping along Lake Street from Blaisdell Avenue over to fifth.

J

That is the part that was left out when I was involved in the reconstruction of Lake Street from DuPont all the way to the river. We left this segment out for just its purpose, because we had to fit the transit access project in so the fence that you see is one that my hope is. We will be able to replace, with the same type of fence material that green, looking decorative fence that is, along from do pot over to West River Road, with the exception at this location I'd offer to.

J

If you take a drive, you'd, be able to see right away how it fits in with the whole neighborhood and then we're also including the potential for additional landscape treatments along this area. As part of that special services, district I'm working specifically with Public Works staff on that, and the idea is to work with people on both the east and west side of 35w to create actually a service district on each side. So two different petitions would be coming to the City Council on that regard.

J

Now, if I could answer the question regarding the streetlights and the excuse me, the traffic signals and the APS, those pedestals that are out in the right-of-way I do not have a picture of it for you, but the design calls for pedestrian ramps, both east and west and north and south, in that intersection, if stead of having one in the center one wide one that perhaps a visually impaired person might get disoriented and start traveling at an awkward direction into the intersection.

J

Instead, there will be the one for the East and West and then the one for the north and south, and so with that in mind, then we will in fact have the push buttons on either the pedestals or the posts themselves. Lamp. The streetlight poles themselves. I cannot recall, commissioner, what it was so then that would properly serve the visually impaired and it had the audible system. As city has been city Public Works staff has been placing throughout the city.

J

There was a question about the the issue of high congestion at that location for bed: pedestrians, bicyclists vehicles, absolutely right, that's kind of a good thing and from the standpoint of what we're trying to accomplish with the transit access project with that transit station in.

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J

Of Lake Street, serving both North South and East and West I can affirm that there will be a good, a fair amount of pedestrian traffic. We are looking to widen the sidewalks on Lake Street through this location. That would be nominally a minimum of 10 feet and then, as you walk further to the west as we, if we say we just enter, if you will the Kmart site there is a proposed bus, rapid transit, stop at that location for the Lake Street bus, rapid transit.

J

That would be scheduled to begin service in about 21 or 22. So we do see that there will be quite a number of pedestrians there, but we've widened the sidewalk on Lake Street. If you refer to and look at Stevens Avenue that sidewalk will nominally six feet, there will be a split sidewalk trail on the east side of Stevens. That will be running with that transit access project and a vast majority of the folks who are pedestrians and bicyclists will be using the west side, not the east side.

J

The east side will still have the sidewalk. However,.

A

Group I think we have a couple more questions: Thank You, mr., so.

H

Have you have you studied the the travel path of the pedestrian from the east side of Stevens West along East, Lake Street, where it hits that corner to me it seems like the sidewalks are doing some pretty sharp angles and Russians like to walk in a straight line.

H

Is there a reason why the where the curb rants are in that corner that there's such a sharp angle, with the design of the backs of those sidewalks, are.

J

You asking about the pedestrian who is walking along the north side of Lake Street, moving westerly from from will say the stop over to Kmart. Yes, very good. I.

J

Think your observation, in terms of not a clear direct straight line, is an artifact of what we're trying to do underneath the the 35w bridge for the lake Street Station I believe that that the Lake Street sidewalk there is farther to the north than it is when you get to the west side of Stevens and the reason, commissioners that that sidewalk is in fact a bit farther to the north is because we are providing bus dwell area along each of the curb lines of Lake Street, because that's where the surface buses will pull off into a place where they can stop.

J

I was under the impression that we did have some bump outs along Lake Street in the vicinity transit station area, so that we could reduce that crossing as much as possible. But I think it's still a bit to the north of where it is once you get to the west side.

A

Great thank you. Dude do.

J

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To put up a plan, anybody to see exactly what he's talking about. Okay. Are there any other questions for the applicant, not seeing any? Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We'll continue the public hearing for anybody else that would like to talk on this item. So, if you'd like to speak, please come up to the microphone state. Your name and your address.

A

Not seeing anybody, we can close the public hearing for this item. So, commissioners, we have five items rezoning to variances eliminated plat and a vacation of a portion of an alley. If somebody want to make a motion or start the conversation, Commissioner krauser I'll.

H

Make a motion to approve staff recommendation for item a the rezoning from c2 to i2.

A

Motion is made and seconded any further discussion on the motion, not seeing any Clerk. We can call the roll.

A

Motion carries Commissioner Conger. Would you like to continue.

H

For the variance to standards, including the three conditions, with the addition to the first condition being work with staff to better align the fence with the back of the sidewalk at the corner of Stevens Avenue and East Lake Street.

A

Is there any further discussion on the motion, Commissioner aqua, I.

F

I'm not going to add this as a condition, but I do want to say that that I think that we could do better than just a decorative fence and I mean more than the standard for for DuPont.

F

A West, River, Road I think that we should think of this corner as kind of an entry point into the city from that Orange Line transit station, and that, if there's a way to integrate some level of public art in conjunction with the city or through the special services district or something else that creates more of a sense of arrival. That would be worthwhile. I.

F

Think the it's the reconfiguration of this site and having parking on this corner is not ideal but I understand why it's necessary, and so we kind of have to make the best. And it's something that's not ideal. So that's to me the way that we do that you know with additional landscaping and a little bit of a nicer fence. I think we'll still be kind of left, with a suburban feel here, right off of a transit station and and it'll take some creativity and I.

F

Don't have the answers, but I want to just encourage both city and county staff and if there's a special services district, that special services district think about how to really make this a lively, an interesting gateway into the city.

A

Great. Thank you any further discussion, not seeing any clerk. Please call roll.

G

Eggman aye.

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A

Commissioner Crowder, would you like to continue to.

H

Approve staff recommendations for item C, D and E, the variance for dr al with, with the one condition, pulmonary plat approval and the approval of the vacancy vacation of the alley.

A

Any further I'm not seeing any clerk, please call the roll.

G

Dignan, all right all right keep here: hi green, oh hi,.

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A

So that completes the action on item number four and the last item. We're going to discuss tonight is item number nine van white boulevard station area plan and staff is Jim Bowl.

L

Good evening, mr. chair and commissioners, my name is Jack Byers I'm, the manager of long-range planning and in a moment, I'm gonna have Jim, give you a detailed presentation of the plan, but I wanted to take a moment. First, to just give you a very high-level overview of the opportunity here and to make some important acknowledgments as I think you know from our conversation a month or two ago at the committee of the whole.

L

The opportunity here is because of the billion dollar investment in the Bottineau light rail transit line, and so this station plan is focused on development opportunities of van white, but also because cpad staff have been working very hard on redevelopment opportunities further south in the bassett creek valley area.

L

We decided to extend the project area a bit beyond the normal station area plan to include that as well and there's really opportunities shaping up in both places, because this particular part of the city has a large, several large tracts of publicly owned land, some by sea peds, some by MnDOT some by the public housing authority. So there's really an opportunity here to transform a part of the city and allow for population growth and employment.

L

Growth and I want to point out that we have tried to do that in a very sensitive way for the residents who have already made both financial and familial and personal commitments to this part of the city for many many years. So I want to start off by acknowledging that this effort was really done with the community, with great participation from the community. We weren't able to satisfy every concern, but we have worked very hard to make sure that we have addressed those concerns.

L

There's been participation from Harrison heard, it's Park near North, Bryn Mawr, the North Side residents redevelopment council, and there was in particular a community working group that was put together to work through this plan, as well as its predecessor plan from Hennepin County. So cpad worked closely or the city worked closely with Hennepin County on a pre-planning effort. We felt strongly that there was a need to add additional work to that plan so that there would be a plan ready for the entitlements process.

L

So we're doing this specifically for our colleagues in development services and specifically for the Commission, so that you have detailed clear guidance on a city's vision for this particular area. So I want to point out that the city did not do this alone. We did this in close cooperation with our colleagues at Hennepin. Community works, particularly the Bottineau community works project office and also with our colleagues at Metro, transit and MnDOT. As you know, highway 55 is MnDOT right-of-way.

L

The Bottineau line is being built by Metro Transit, and so it's a very it's an area that has a very complicated pattern of ownership and and will have a complicated pattern of use between the city, the county, MnDOT and Metro transit. So there is a lot of work that went into the I, would say, pre work of this plan to figure out how the reconfiguration of Bottineau of the Bottineau corridor would work of how highway 55 would work and that's described in the plan.

L

Jim will tell you more about it that really sets the stage for those development opportunities and one of the chief things we're trying to do is get higher density so that we can actually have a mixed income neighborhood that will help drive the need and the rationale for retail services in an area of the city that is, food desert um really doesn't have any neighborhood retail services I'll. Let Jim tell you the details, but I want to point out the CPD team as well on the project.

L

Jim is the project manager and he's been working tired tirelessly for several years pulling together all the different components of the project.

L

Ratana thanks Willie, Shawn and Adrienne Bock I'm have done all of the maps and figures in the plan they're both in the long-range planning team, Peter Crandall used to be on long-range planning and he did a significant amount of work on renderings for this plan a year or more ago, we've also had participation from Talia Morman of long-range planning, Erin, how Hanauer of land-use preservation and design of our housing director aundrea brennan, our business development manager, miles Mercer business development project coordinator, Beth grossen, and then our colleagues from the Transportation Planning Division of Public, Works, Kathleen, mail, Becca, Hughes and Don plumb.

L

So I want you to know that what Jim's about to present is something that really comes from not only a lot of parts of the city, but it's also the work of a lot of meetings, conversations with various government agencies and, importantly with the community and neighborhood groups,.

N

Thank you, I'm Jim, bull, principal city, planner, a little bit of background. This is the Regional Transit, System and pink is the van white station. This is the Blue Line extension, so.

O

What's that slightly.

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N

Well, at any rate, it, the point is, is throughout. The whole plan is that this is connecting to a regional system.

N

The Blue Line extension goes from downtown Target Field out to the northwestern suburbs. The van white station is the first station after Target Field. There are three other Minneapolis stations: Penn Avenue, Philomath, Avenue and Golden Valley Road, although the Plymouth and Golden Valley ones are technically just outside of Minneapolis. What we consider Minneapolis stations Jack alluded to some of this in his comments, but the station area boundary.

N

That's on page 13 of your document as well, typically will be a half mile circle around the station area, but we bumped out the northern end to include the Plymouth industrial area and bumped out the southern end. To do some land-use work based on feedback we were receiving at the time we started the planning for the Basset Creek Valley, and then we did not go across the interstate into the into the Farmers Market area and all of that, because that's covered by the North Loop plan.

N

The same shanira just as an aerial view, and just some important landmarks to point out on the southerly end of the stationary as the city's impound lot as we go north. These big green trunks you see here are what we talked about in the plan. A lot is the minutes, the minute campus public housing authority parcels and then Heritage Park, which was redeveloped late, 90s early 2000s and the Plymouth industrial area.

N

So the first you know I'm gonna go through each one of the chapters. If you need more detail, let me know you need less detail, you're you're out of luck, but some sorry chapter 1 is the introductory chapter and it provides an overview and the purpose of station area planning, and it also provides a demographic and community context information and it talks a lot about what jacket alluded to.

N

Is our process with the county leading up to this document, which was a lot of the civic engagement and a lot of supporting work so, for example, all of those documents, the health impact assessment, the bike plan, the market study, the community engagement mammals- are all linked from this plan to the Hennepin County community works webpage and are all in you know, included in this plan through that that reference.

N

But as Jack mentioned, we wanted to address some further issues, and so we've come up with this revised plan. The introductory chapter goes over a lot of information about demographics and so forth. You know the number of low income, households, zero car household, higher households and talks about how these transit investments they actually building of the LRT line and the planning that goes around it can help to reverse those disparities. The other chapters then build on that to talk about how that strategy can address those issues.

N

So chapter 2 is the transit oriented development chapter, and this chapter explains the conditions you know. I should back up to the content of the plan will stay the same, but we will be for the version going to zoning and planning reorganizing the chapters a little bit so I want to get people full disclosure about that, but that the transportation chapter will be the second chapter. The land-use will be.

N

The third Tod will be the fourth and then the other chapters are made exactly the same changes the content in no way it's just the order of the chapters, but that didn't get done in time for the PDF to be published on the on the webpage.

N

But right now sticking with the chapter orders that is in the document that you have, the chapter, 2 is transit. Oriented development and a good map for this. This is updated from the 45-day comment, but one of the things we heard a lot and I'm sure there'll be people here to talk about. It was concern over displacement and the loss of affordable housing, and so this that this chapter provides our strategy for that and talks about the existing, affordable housing.

N

That's in the stationary, so that's the that's currently affordable housing that we have in the stationary. The yellow the hatched lines are Minneapolis public housing authority vacant land and they have a letter. This wasn't in the 45-day comment, but they submitted a letter during the 45 day review period and it's attached to your report saying that proposals for their property. They would be seeking proposals that have commitments for affordable housing at 30% or below of the area median. So these additional hatched, this one, should be solid, yellow.

N

But these additional hatched parcels based on the mPHA s statement, would also have an opportunity for affordable housing. Then a third thing that we talked about in this chapter is that developments that seek city, money or transit, oriented development money from the county, Metropolitan Council, will also have affordability, components, and we have a couple examples of that. It's not showing on the map with the Olson townhomes site and I can talk about this in more detail.

N

If you want to would have an affordability, combo component, the leaf brothers site, which is being redeveloped- and you saw back in March I believe, is just had an affordable housing. Trust went to work and you know for that plan when that project came through. It relied a lot on this draft work to get those awards and to for you to do those approvals. So the plan already was supporting incorporating, affordable housing into new developments that have public participation.

N

Another important thing to note about the station area as Jack alluded to is the amount of publicly owned vacant parcels, so the yellow we've already talked about or the mPHA, the blue are the city of Minneapolis. Some public works some cpad, but when we would sell those and do RFPs, we would also have a commitment to trying to meet the goals of this plan.

N

Another thing the PUD chapter talks about is why. Why are we talking about higher density? And this is an example of you know- probably the biggest buildings you would ever.

L

N

The van weight stationary at the southeast and southwest corners of Olson, Memorial, Highway and van white. The reason for that is not just because we like tall buildings, but because having that retail base allows us are having that density, allows us to have near the station allows us to have the ability to meet a mixed use to provide retail sales and services on the first floor and to have mixed income, which supports retail.

N

So you have people coming by train by car and in the the buildings to support those retail services that the larger neighborhood said.

L

N

Wanted? As a part of their station area,.

N

The chapter also has some information on real estate development and some block-by-block guidance on various programs that can be utilized to implement that the next chapter is chapter three, that's transportation and that describes the various transportation modes, including transit, pedestrian bicycles, cars and the associated infrastructure. It just talks about all those systems can be coordinated to get people to the station so that they can utilize.

N

This transit system and I won't go through that in too much detail, but this is an example of a map that you would see in the plan and so, for example, is showing how the street could be put together. I want to put a big asterisk next to this, that that's not saying that this is the way streets would be built.

N

It still would have to go through the whole capital, improvement processes and public works that have to look at it, but it just shows based on some of the work that we've done, that should a site like the Girard Terrace and the Olsen townhomes redevelop. We could put streets back in with development that are. Should we get a park along basa Creek.

N

We could put a Parkway along there or if we get open space there, the developers to build streets, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a park board park, but it's the idea is to show how we could stitch the grid back together and I. Think Commissioner crowds are thus addresses. Some of your concerns, maybe not totally about some of the larger super blocks that are on the in the area.

N

The chapter 4 is the land use chapter.

N

And this maps a little bit different than the then in the 45-day comment period map and what went to the Planning Commission cau earlier in the year. But basically, when we did the land use plan for the station area, the area north of 55 in general reflects the the existing zoning and policy that we have for the the station area. However, south of us Memorial Highway, you can see that a lot of it has been transitioned to to mixed-use.

N

The hatched red shows that if mixed-use was built there, there would be retail required on the first floor and then down Ambassador Creek Valley is this. Is the blue is the impound lot, but the remainder of the areas show that that could be something called mixed-use medium to high density, residential flex-space and I can talk a little bit more about that, but in general that would allow production and processing uses, but they're intended to be nothing more than you would find in light. Industrial, not I or i3, and ideally in the future.

N

We'd have in a district that reflected this better. But it's more of the production of processing that's allowed. In the commercial districts now big truck intensive uses.

N

Next map is the development intensity map.

N

And so this talks about you know neighborhood scale, which are more of a single-family into family areas or urban scale, which would be buildings that could be up to four to five storeys in height and then the very dark Lewis transit scale, which allows buildings taller than five storeys in height and.

N

And we heard some comments at that at the Kyl meeting about not wanting to add actual stories and there, but staff felt that was important to have some sort of range to give people in the community an idea of what we were looking for and to be clear about the range of the density that would be allowed. So I understand that that that was a comment that was not changed.

N

Based on some feedback we received at the Committee of the Whole meeting we have as you'll notice when you read through quite a bit of the neighborhood comments and neighborhood group comments. There's a concern over that level of intensity and height for buildings and I'm. Sure people will be here to talk to you about that. We did not address those.

N

We did not make changes to those bases, I want to say we didn't address it, but we did not make changes to that policy guidance across the board and make it a four storey height across the station, because we do believe that the ability to do some taller building supports a lot of the goals to allow a mixed-use and mixed income community and felt that it was important to allow that flexibility to be there.

N

In addition, there are a lot of pollution and soil, thus the bill issues and utilities and other things that make developing in the area really difficult. So the idea is that there might be opportunities where call or buildings could allow higher density, but would not necessarily be giant tall buildings taking a whole city block. However, we did review it based on. There was comments from the neighborhood groups and others. We did review it and there were some areas where we did drop down the the intensity on Glenwood and then well.

N

These two spots on Glenwood, really because these are some buildings that have a historic character not historically designated, and this is getting closer to the residential area. But the still the bigger parcels at the station area maintain that level of intensity.

N

The next chapter is urban design and some of the items that are in the urban design chapter is this idea of a street theme network. So not only do we talk about how you can put the grid back together, but the urban design chapter says: maybe some of these streets are for bikes and peds only or were there along an open space?

N

They have more of a Parkway feel, even if they aren't a park or Street one of the issues that certainly came up a lot during all of the community engagement and was reiterated again during the 45 day. Review period was also Memorial Highway as a barrier, and it's not a great place to be. One of the things that we had worked on was reducing the lane with most memorial area, but a decision was made by the public agencies, not by cpad staff that Olson Memorial Highway would remain a six-lane Road.

N

So we tried to find ways to address in the urban design chapter development changes that could improve that condition and I should say during the project. With the project office, we did get the speed limit and then that we got the speed limit lowered. We got some geometric design changes done to the road.

N

We've got Lane widths reduced and we also had additional pedestrian crossings tree boulevards between the road on the sidewalk all to all, that's all already done by the project office when the road is rebuild but and I'm not sure how much detail should go into this. But when you get through Chait pages, 87 and so forth, that shows about how buildings, when the sites are redeveloped could be brought up to the street. We could have plazas and landscaping and then, as you you know, the longer-range.

N

As you start to have this level of intensity and development and activity and retail and so forth, along the stationary and along those Memorial Highway. Maybe it becomes possible to do reduction in lanes for parking. You know that would be something we'd have to work with MnDOT on. Oh I can't even promise that mend I would do it, but maybe it gets to the point where there there can be parking lanes there and it starts to transition to what we call also Memorial Boulevard.

N

But there are a lot of partners that are involved in that decision that are beyond.

N

Just another example of the traffic calming ideas by in one of things we worked hard on and our colleagues and Public Works that work hard with the the Bottineau project office is trying to get landscaping in the turn, the turn shadows and you can see how that type of a visual cue taller would be better. But it's not possible with the LRT infrastructure overhead to narrow the feel of the roadways one drives down it.

N

Another thing the urban design chapter talks about is trying to preserve a view corridor through the public housing authority parcels. So this is an example of where you could build taller buildings, maybe on the corners and shorter parts of the building in the center of that preserve views from a public area and the new development through to downtown.

N

It would not preserve the views of downtown from everywhere in the Harrison or Heritage Park neighborhoods, but it's an example of how you could create a public space to do that and then finally, we have a scenarios in the urban design chapter or finally, for the urban design chapter. We have some scenarios that show how we're trying to set some general principles on how the area could redevelop. It won't redevelop exactly like this.

N

We know that, but you know in the future, we try to get the grid connected back together and develop these parcels north of Bassett Creek. Hopefully, in the you know in the next 10 years, then, as we move off impound lot, west and development starts happening here and we get Park dedication, fees and developers are doing things and infrastructure becomes more possible.

N

You extend a road across the creek, it's probably not going to be two bridges, but it could, and then you start to have development here with a linear park, all the way along Bassett Creek and then going way way out into the future. Should the impound lot ever go away?

N

You know you could then stitch the grid right there to redevelop the impound lot. So that's some of the types of things you see in each one of those chapters. Chapter six heritage preservation, I'm going to spare you guys I, won't go into detail on that same thing with Chapter seven implementation. I will note that we did add another table in the implementation. Chapter two specifically explained how the health into the elements of the plan relate to elements from the health impact assessment and how they're implementing them.

N

That was something that was in the original version we did with the county and it got omitted.

N

There was never an intent to admit that, so we want it to be clear that that this plan is implementing, or this plan strategy is implementing goals of the health impact assessment, and then the next steps will be that, assuming that this is approved tonight and things go well, it would go to the committee of the whole part of the zoning and planning committee, the City Council on November 30th and at the full City Council on December 8th attached to your staff report, and they will be included as an appendix to the plan.

N

Are all of the comments that we received from the public and from organizations I will just I won't go into these into much details to see some people from the neighborhood are here and they can speak to better than I can. But the we did receive a letter from the public housing authorities say that, while in general they support the land use designation on their property, they would be. You know, seeking proposals that have an affordable affordability component. We received a letter from the blueline coalition.

N

We received a letter from the Harrison neighborhood from Newark from the Bassett Creek, Valley rock, which is members of Harrison and Bryn Mawr that worked on areas around Bassett, Creek Valley. That letter is much more narrowly focused towards the land-use change around the creek to flex-space and then from the health equity engagement court.

N

We received a lot from them- that's not the full list of it, but those are some of the big, obviously neighborhood organizations and bigger players in the in the area that that do a lot of community engagement beyond the work that we do as the city, and so those are I think are worth noting. Although all of the comments you receive certainly are important. If you have.

A

N

Questions I'd be happy to answer them.

A

Thank You mr. Goel commissioners, any questions.

A

Commissioner Ratcliffe: oh it's.

F

Going to come back to the to the the specific height ranges: okay,.

D

F

Is I have page 79 on the actual report, I think on the neighborhood scale, development district I I want to know if we can maybe modify the language a little bit to reflect. I think how you wrote it in the neighborhood scale: development district in the other, it may be in the urban scale development district. So let me kind of tell you what I'm broadly thinking and then why so in the neighborhood scale, development districts say supports low to medium density.

F

Development types in the existing residential neighborhood includes single and two family homes and accessory dwelling units and in some areas, townhomes cluster developments or small apartment buildings may be appropriate. So what it does is it gives stories number of stories, but it also gives some flexibility depending on context, I think what we see a lot on the Commission is the fact that we don't have the three-story district right in the zoning code. We have mean we end up having these these guidance in our planning documents.

F

It doesn't really match your zoning code and people come and they're, like you know, they're, not happy to see that somebody appears to be flaunting the rules when, in fact we have policy guidance that says it's: okay, what they're asking for seup and so just I- think it creates some confusion, and so I want to respect the the guidance, because I think the guidance makes sense, but I think that I guess I'm asked to form this as a question.

F

The urban scale, development district, in contrast to the neighborhood scales just says, supports medium density development at three to four story: building heights and I: wonder if there's a way to to sort of give that guidance, but also allow that, for example, on the edge of a park or where a urban scale development district meet so I'm, just throwing out hypotheticals that it would want to capture we're an urban scale, development district thumbs up against a transit scale, development district, which might be a 15 story. Building like that, there could be some.

F

We we understand that there might be a reason to have a softened transition right. So I don't know if my fellow commissioners share those kinds of concerns, I again I I'm not trying to undermine what the guidance is. I just want to make sure we're phrasing.

F

This in such a way that it's clear that these policies, how these policies like really would would function because I'm not sure that it makes sense that we would have I'm, not sure that we as a commission would say no to a building that was coming in at 5 storeys next to a 15 story. Building they could that doesn't, and particularly for a 5 story building that was the same height as the four story buildings.

F

We should see a lot because we see zoning for forced or 56 feet, and then we see a five-story building come in at 52 feet and then and then we hear a lot of pushback because they're building a five-story building when they should only be feeling for and that doesn't really make sense from an urban form standpoint. I'm gonna stop talking, but she won I mean I know this has already been covered a little bit. But do you think there's a way that we can soften that language and I?

F

Guess I'm really only looking at that?

F

D

Herman scale.

F

Development District cuz I think the other two districts have good language in them. So.

N

It just to clarify here you're wanting to modify the language for the urban scale district or the right.

F

Yeah, because to reflect these style of your guidance in the neighborhood scale, development district, for example. Well,.

N

It's in the actual chapter itself, I think it's on page 79, yeah.

N

But I think on page 81, we, it says these categories above our mental divide, a general description of the development and density. Further, the development intensity map is designed to provide guidance. We're building I could be allowed to further objective Landsman objectives or the plan, but does not require that height. So it's not saying that you know you have to do that and it's as development proposals should be evaluated against the policy guidance of the entire plan. So any code requirements such as setbacks, impervious surface floor area, site design.

N

You know the zoning code is specific evaluation factors. So I was trying.

D

N

I think on 70 I.

N

Don't know where it is here, but um I think it might be in the actual land-use part of it, but it talks about the ideas that intensity goes from the station out to the neighbor.

F

N

If that's what you're trying to get at, we get a sentence like I'm.

D

Trying to go there the way you would.

N

Recommend it is something that says intensity from the transit station area down to the neighborhoods. Something like that. If that's, what you'd want to do, yeah.

D

It's like there already, but.

F

If I think you're a spot.

N

That's probably wouldn't hurt that I.

F

Think you're right that it's there already I just want to make sure that when people are looking at this plan quickly that it's clear what we are intending, because the how this is interpreted is off is 90% of our hearings. So.

N

My suggestion be, if that is your intent, is that would be something that you'd recommend that we do. Is they had that language? The urban thanks.

A

Any other questions for staff.

H

Commissioner crown sir Jim Department. Are you aware of when the zoning the rezoning study will begin for this.

N

Well, so the one of the issues with this plan is the fact that right now is ear where we're going through a comp plan update. So some of this stuff is, you know, density ranges and urban, neighborhood and transit scale in zoning districts, and all of that I'm assuming is going to to change with the adoption of the plan. Well, we can't put everything, so we were in this situation where we utilizing minneapolis plan for sustainable growth.

N

Trying to anticipate many at was twenty twenty forty and trying to make it clear in the plan that whatever happens in minneapolis 2040 four categories of policy will certainly be the policy the city uses, but we would do a rezoning study. I think sometime after well to be straight and blunt. I don't know when we'll do it for sure, but it would be some time after minneapolis 2040 would be adopted.

N

Now, if it turns out the city council gives us direction to completely redo the zoning ordinance, I'm not so sure whether it makes sense to do a complete rezoning study. Until we mean we know what types of zoning districts we're gonna have, but there are some areas that that definitely would need to be addressed. So.

N

I'm not giving you a very good answer, but the I don't know there's a lot of moving pictures. It's not something we're gonna sit on forever, we're gonna, do it as soon as we possibly can, because we know we have to do it, but we also don't want to get ahead of all the policy work. That's happening.

H

The follow-up: when is the anticipated adoption? You can hazard a guess of the 2040 plan.

N

You know I, don't know.

L

Mr. cherrick commissioner crowns are the schedule, for the comp plan is as follows: we're required to submit the plan to the Metropolitan Council by December, 31st 2018, so knowing that the process through the Planning Commission and the zoning and planning committee of the City Council, the mayor signature, takes about six weeks. We're doubling that. So we expect to begin the formal approval process on the comp plan.

L

Update in September of 2018 Metropolitan Council has a required six-month jurisdictional review, which means that for six months before we take it through the approval process, we need to give our plan to st. Paul Bloomington Edina Golden Valley, Fridley, Columbia Heights, so on all of that all of those entities- Hennepin County the Melton airports, Commission and so on, and we expect that we'll be receiving all of their plans so that we can review them as well.

L

So we are intending to have a draft document in March of 2018, so we're in the countdown we have 20 weeks left actually 19 weeks left until we have to have that done. We're doing community engagement in the coming three weeks we'll be doing additional engagement in that six month period from March to September, and it is already on the work plan for 2019 that we will update zoning citywide according to the way the comp plan is adopted.

L

That's because it's required in state law that our zoning code conforms to our comprehensive plan so, as I may be mentioned, as I mentioned before, but maybe didn't speak to enough one of the reasons, I suppose. If we had our druthers and and could stop the world, we would not do this plan now. We would wait and incorporate it all into the comprehensive plan, but the fact of the matter is: there's a development market there.

L

There are public partners who have a need to go forward with planning, in particular, one of the one of the things that our colleagues and business development need to be able to do is show the policy rationale for why they are seeking clean up money. So we are expecting that there's a lot of intensive work to do on land, assembly, preparation and cleanup well before anybody is submitting proposals for the Planning Commission to approve entitlements. So so we have. We have some time to do that rezoning.

L

We have actually started to think that through it's not like we're, gonna be starting cold. We've already been thinking that through, but we don't have a definitive for you at this time. I expect that this, along with the rest of the city, will be 2019. Okay,.

A

Commissioner madrina Thanks.

P

I wanted to say: I do generally have some of the same concerns as commissioner Rothwell but I think I'll, wait till after the public has a chance to testify before getting into some of those I did a question for mr. Goel. One of the comments I think was kind of throughout the public comment was mentioning inclusionary zoning and I I. Think I would personally probably think that that's something that would be best handled was part of the comp plan. Kind of thinking about the whole city, but I was wondering.

P

Is there kind of a official city response to inclusionary zoning on the site other than the comments about mPHA land or.

N

Well sure, so there are a lot of recommendations for specific tools like that. Like community benefits, agreement, inclusionary zoning and so forth, we felt that it was since they you know it's best, to set a broad strategy for the stationary and then knowing that there is a city workgroup working on a lot of these issues and the Minneapolis comprehensive plan working on a lot of these issues that we did not make specific recommendations. Saying that we'll do those things in the stationary doesn't mean that we wouldn't do those but I, don't know.

N

If the you know will you have a new City Council coming and then we'll see whether they will do inclusionary zoning or not? Okay, thanks.

A

Any further questions sure violent.

Q

General ideas of cars and parking and kind of a sense of something different happening, as as a result of this all being planned comprehensively that there's been discussions. Yes,.

N

In all seriousness, for the issue of parking, we have a city policy of not doing park and rides at the station, so that's listed in the station area plan.

N

We do not prohibit parking from being built as a part of a development. It certainly can be done. You know as well as I do that the various proposals you you see there are good ways to do it in bad ways to do it, but in general, if a development meets a lot of the transit incentives that are in the zoning code, they could have a lower amount of parking and I. Think that's going to be more likely with the residential developments.

N

As you get closer to the basket, Creek Valley Station, and we have some commercial developments. They they may need parking and where they will need parking. There will still be the maximums in our zoning code, but we also have the issue of high groundwater, and so parking may have to be surface Lots. That may not be able to be underground parking.

N

It may have to be structured parking in a building with the buildings above the structured parking, and that's some of the reason why we talk about the flexibility for a little bit taller buildings and the urban design chapter shows how if structured parking is done or even surface Lots, it should be lined with developments.

N

So in general, this plan echoes all of our other plans, all of our other policy in the zoning code, where we're trying to reduce the amount of required parking and parking that's needed, but also and making providing all kinds of opportunities to rely on transit rather than parking, but understanding there will be cases where parking is needed and where that happens, it'll have to be designed so that it's not the overall emphasis of the site. Yeah.

Q

As you just pointed out that the lack of potential underground parking will push pressures elsewhere, so it sounds that at least we're cognizant of that is one of the things that will be happening because there there will be cars here.

Q

We can certainly direct policies that help guide for Less cars, but we don't want to design something that hasn't had a thoughtful review of where people will park and how the Romans roads actually work and how folks can get around and get their groceries and do the things that all these new people to this area will want to do.

Q

A

Any other questions for staff I will note real, quick, nitpicky thing, but page 87, page 88, there's just some wayward trees in the graphics, so I pick out all the trees. Great. Thank you Jim. At this point, we can open the public hearing and hear from anybody who wants to come up and speak on this item.

A

Can I get a quick show of hands how many people want to speak? Okay, so a couple, so please come up to the mic state. Your name and your address. Please.

M

Hello, my name is Dave Collin I'm, the executive director at the Harrison Neighborhood Association office at 503, Irving, Avenue, North Minneapolis. The reason I wanted to address the Commission today and thank you for the opportunity for this and I know. That's just been you know. Did you know, there's been a lot of work in the past over five years of community engagement, work done mr.

M

Follin and his staff for the committee been really good about that, and you know we're really excited as neighborhood to see what's coming out of this plan and really excited about what could come in the future. I think if you told the folks in Harrison that it may be an opportunity for a grocery store, they don't line up and say where do I sign right now, but you know there was just the of all the great things that are in it.

M

There's a few things that one of the big things that came out of our five years of community engagement, that we don't see there and that's you know that that gap between the time that all the new development happens and affordable housing is built and which is probably post, 2021 2022 once the rail is moving and between that time, and today we're already seeing right now, hopefully, at that point, we're already seeing a lot of the home prices increasing, which are going to be increasing rents and displacement. Identification is going to be happening now.

M

You know in this next four to five year period, and what we would like to see is something to address that. You know it's great, that we have some affordable housing coming in.

M

We need it, but by that time you know, I, don't think the city is going to expect people to leave because they are losing their housing and then come back 70% of the rent of the residents of Harrison, our renters and most of that is in single-family homes, not apartments, so we're gonna see it again with, although the increased values increase in rents and again we're seeing folks that are already affecting a lot of residents in our neighborhood we're calling that our displacement replacement gap and were to address that, and maybe that's in the comp plan.

M

But again we haven't seen that I, don't know if that's where it's going to be or not, but I just wanted again. You've seen some of our statements, high, 55 and and and the height of the buildings I. Think mr. Valda addressed that as well. But you seem there are comments on that. But our big thing is again that timing. We just don't know what to tell our residents right now for the next four to five years. How do you know this doesn't help them in that sense?

M

Right now, and maybe we have a complaint in two or three years that does but again at that point, we're gonna have people already losing their homes and maybe it's inclusionary zoning. Maybe it's redefining affordability in the sense that you know thirty percent ami still is unaffordable to many residents and Harrison right now, but along with it's going to be any couple of years right of first refusal for buildings that are sold to redevelopment and just cause for eviction as well, but I know you know, Minneapolis has long being proactive.

M

We don't want to see what happened to things in Denver, we're seeing huge homeless populations increase because they weren't proactive enough and a lot of people lost their houses because of the increases in the rents and in redevelopment that happened there and we're really looking forward to working with you and the planning department really excited it's neighborhood to see what comes next, but there's just this little gap that we're trying to fix- and it's not addressed here, not even a hundred percent sure this is the place to address it.

M

But I want to make sure that we're out here and we're talking about as much as we can so thank you.

A

Thank you very much. Would anybody like to ask the speaker question great? Thank you. Thank you. Next we can come up and state your name. Your address.

O

My name is Richard Panzer Ami I live at 1903, 4th Avenue North I've lived in Harrison and I'm. Also a board member since 1980 I've seen that neighborhood go through a lot of changes, I'm very interested in the projects that are going on now, I think they can only benefit the neighborhood, but what I noticed is a lot of the families that live in Harrison are really struggling.

O

You've got mom, maybe trying to raise 68 kids all on our own, and it's just an incredible task for her and I've noticed that when buildings have been sold on, landlords have changed, hands or the building has been condemned, and these families have to move it's a devastating effect on the children. They've got to adjust to a new school, a new neighborhood and a lot of these families. My kids growing up got to know these families and told me how the kids, after that got involved in drugs or crime.

O

I, really think a lot of planning needs to be given to the families that would be displaced by all these projects and some serious thought given to affordable housing for them. So they don't have to be this place. They can stay living in Harrison. That's a big concern that I've had over the years, because I've seen a great many struggling families in Harrison.

O

A

Thank you for your comments, any questions for this speaker not seeing any is there anybody else that would like to talk on this topic. Please come up to the microphone and state your name and address.

R

My name is Madeline Shaw I live at 419, Newton, Avenue, North and I've echo everything that our Neighborhood Association director has said, and you know I don't know as much about the zoning and planning issues, as all of you do and I understand that some of the money from affordable housing comes from the developers.

R

So it's a little bit of a chicken and egg scenario, but I think it's very true that there is gonna, be this gap and we're already seeing gentrification in our neighborhood and I know that that can be handled a lot of different ways and that it might be handled in the comprehensive plan. But what I'd say is like you can't do too little to try to work against gentrification like that's, been happening. All over our city has been happening all over our country and I.

R

Think that, like in how thoughtful the city's been about these plans and doing all of these, like public engagement pieces like I, really appreciate that and I don't want to see it go to waste like I. Think we're making a lot of good steps to do that, and so, if we were to just kind of look I, think we're missing an opportunity. If we don't have some really firm things in this station plan like yeah, it might end up being redundant with a comprehensive plan.

R

So what it's better to be safe than to later be like? Oh, we didn't put enough things in there to protect our residents in our neighborhood from displacement with this project. So again, the piece about I, don't know exactly how the mandatory inclusionary zoning works as far as like making sure that there's like affordable housing, that's guaranteed long term and also the way that you define that and I know that that's been problematic in a lot of affordable housing of like how do we define what's affordable. So I would really encourage.

R

I can appreciate how much the city has engaged and I think it needs to be more concrete and stronger and I think that, if we're not doing that, we're being complicit in the displacement of our residents because gentrification and the pressures of development of forcing our residents out of our neighborhoods is the strongest pressure. And so if we don't do really concrete steps against that, then we're being complicit in saying. Well, it's okay!

R

If our residents get to this place with this development, so I think that there's a lot of pieces again that our neighborhood association director spoke to I.

R

Think one of the other pieces was ping moving expenses for residents who are displaced as like kind of maybe a remedial um thing or having the option for residents to have first right of refusal when a proper when the property that they live in is sold, but I think the most important things are having some sort of like concrete language in the zoning and in the inclusionary zoning about affordable housing and how we define that and that 30% ami is too high for the residents in our neighborhood. So thank you. Thank.

A

You any questions for the speaker. Thank you very much. Is there anybody else that would like to speak? Please go into microphone state, your name and your address.

S

All right good evening, everybody Alexis penny 2430, Logan, Avenue, North, so technically, I live in the Jordan area, which is just north of Harrison I work in Harris, neighborhood I've been working in Harrison neighborhood for the last two or three years. Very beautiful neighborhood I can't say that I've lived there I've been there as long as maybe some of the colleagues that have just spoken seen a number of changes.

S

However, I did have an opportunity last year to Dornoch the entirety of Harrison neighborhood, mainly for the nonprofit, that's owned by Redeemer Lutheran Church, specifically to engage with neighborhood residents to figure out if they knew about the services and the support systems that we had through the nonprofit through the church and even through our nonprofit business, which is called venture north bike, walk and coffee shop and surprisingly, while walking through the neighborhood and talking to many residents and getting to know them their family members and things about them through the past and kind of where they want to go in the future.

S

Some of the goals people are very interested in seeing positive changes in the neighborhood. There's no doubt about that very little doubt about that. I think what they're very cautious about is well, those changes be there to benefit them. Will they be able to stay in play to reap the benefits of any of the development that will take place or even the public work amenities will take place with the light rail transit station and the light rail transit itself?

S

Specifically I'd also like to acknowledge the fact that a recent study was brought to my attention by the Metropolitan Council. That said that, essentially, nine suburbs, as well as the city of Minneapolis in the city of st. Paul, are seeing increased people enduring poverty essentially and as well as the people that are in those nine surrounding suburbs. Those are folks that at one time did live in the city of st.

S

Paul or Minneapolis and now live in the surrounding suburbs, because of property values increasing, for example, and maybe situations with would not be able to have a landlord, that's renting and it's mortgage fumbler than and they are actual looking out for their best interest.

S

Most recently, currently at the city in my neighborhood there's a huge loss revoke their revoking the license of the student named Mok Newton that owns a lot of properties in North Minneapolis with the relocation of those properties.

S

A lot of these people are renters, low-income folks and unfortunately, it was not necessarily the city's fault, but the communication that needed to take place with those residents and whether or not the license would be revoked from that landlord was not maybe as quick, and so if that life's license is revoked, which it probably should be, let's be honest, like slim words, should not be allowed to operate.

S

That's not I think that's not in the best interest of the city or the residents, but if that does happen, a lot of people in those properties that he owns, which are I believe somewhere up in the 70s and the double digits very large number of properties, they're gonna, find themselves homeless and in a very tight situation, and so with, given the nuances of what's happening at the city.

S

What's been said here about community benefits, inclusionary zoning and whether that should be done in comprehensive 2040 plan or done in this project to make sure that we're being preventative of any displacement I think that's all spot-on. It's a completely spot on a lot of times.

S

We use this thing called an equitable development scorecard and in order to do our projects and eye development projects, I don't know if we're honestly living up to those standards currently right now, in terms of where we want to go the city that we want to be in the metropolitan region, that we could be income Arsen, but I will say this, though I think that if anybody wants to work on making sure that we don't have the largest disparities in the nation and that we're second behind Mississippi I'm willing to work with you on that, but I think it starts right here today with the decisions we make at the table.

S

Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Thank.

A

You any questions for this speaker. Seeing none is there anybody else that would like to speak on this topic.

A

Anybody else all right not seeing any. We can close the public hearing, I think before we get into discussion or make a motion I'm wondering if staff could come up and maybe sort of provide a response to some of the questions that have asked specifically about this. This idea of this displacement gap or any any thoughts about how that might be further discussed as part of ongoing or future efforts around this. This project well.

N

So it's it's obviously something that we know is an issue and we know is important and don't take lightly, and but when we think of the scope of a small area plan to get through all of the work, it would have taken to do all of those tools. At this point, I think it it's more appropriately addressed through that City Council working group and the comprehensive plan.

N

What we tried to do is best be put in this plan, because I mean it's been going on, since almost 2012 is to try and move it forward and I. Think if we were, if we hadn't moved forward, but that there are some real projects like the redevelopment of the old Sol memoria of the Olson townhomes, where that's.

N

They've got an affordable housing trust fund award from the City Council and they're. Looking at building a new building new buildings, letting the existing residents move into those new buildings, so they don't have to move somewhere else and come back and then taking down the old buildings and develop and opening up more land in conjunction with the public housing authorities, land for for projects that could have an affordability component, but without some of this even draft land use gangs. Those things can't happen. We start getting pushback saying.

N

Well, your plans, don't support that, and so we thought it was really important for you, even the the leaf brothers Artspace a to get that to move forward. We had to show that we had future land you skin. So there are real things happening now that really have affordability components and have components for people in the neighborhood that we felt it was important to to move forward, to provide guidance for the publicly owned land that we have.

N

But I will say that the the more detailed strategies, especially for the residential, well, it's all residential, but the lower density, residential, the houses, people's homes being bought or landlords selling their houses and so forth. I think the the best strategy for us as the city is to address that through through the processes that the city has going right now.

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N

A lot more experts working on it and I think that that's the best way to go I think for us to try and tackle it on this plan would take take quite a bit of effort.

A

B

Commissioner I really.

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Q

Disagree that it's perhaps other city processes, but is there a way where we could be more overtly? Staying that for this large area plan that there is an ethic that we're trying to encourage development that encourages people staying in place, I mean so you, even if we don't have the details. At least we can reinforce the city's work staff, others who had staff work on affordability by saying that that that is an ethic that we support. Well,.

N

I guess people have this to judge for themselves. I felt that was what we were trying to do was give that broad direction so that when C ped does RFPs on the public housing authority does developments and when public you know it's harder to influence.

N

A private land transaction person x sells this house and does whatever with it, but on the publicly owned land, we've tried to set out a policy that this is the stuff, that's c ped and the public housing authority in Hennepin, County and Metropolitan Council and everybody when they're deciding where to put their resources. This is what they they should be doing. Is that make it so that we have mixed use? Mixed income provide opportunity for new residents to live here, but preserve the ability for existing residents to stay here and I example.

N

I tried to get with us, Olson townhomes I think, is a good example of where we told the Minnesota Housing Finance Authority, that this is a great project, because not only is it preserving the affordability, but it's preserving the ability of the people that live there to stay there, and that was one of the reasons it's it. We've got some of its awards from the city from the affordable housing trust fund, so I feel like the broad strategy is in there and it's something that we're doing.

Q

And again, I don't disagree with you I'm just wondering if there's a sentence or two about staying in place or something where you know in response to what folks are telling us that we we can be responsive to those concerns and maybe ad stay in place as the words that could be included. Well,.

N

If they're not.

Q

Already there well sure.

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N

Don't know exactly where it is, but I believe that we have exactly those those words in there, but I might have to look in here to find it.

L

So well Jim, while Jim's looking for that. Maybe I can say a couple words myself, one of the frankly fantastic opportunities we have at this particular station area, as we've mentioned, is that there are large super blocks of publicly owned land and that this plan calls for redeveloping those tracks. First, which means nobody has to lose their existing house, at least through redevelopment efforts that the city is channeling or the public housing authority is channeling. We already we have a preponderance of affordable housing, both subsidized and naturally occurring affordable housing in this neighborhood.

L

We have worked very closely with the city's housing director to get the specific language to ensure that that we are being as sensitive as we can I'm not going to lie to you, the city of Minneapolis as much as we would like to be the first city city in the country to figure out how to solve the gentrification problem, we're not there yet, which doesn't mean we're not trying, but one of the one of the inherent things that I think is is important.

L

To keep in mind is that you cannot necessarily if we can achieve that at all. We certainly cannot achieve it in an area that is a mile wide by a mile high, because anything that happens in this area. If we aim to solve it in one place, it will displace the problem to another area. That's exactly why we're trying to do it in the comprehensive plan. I hear you that it's not quick enough, but it does take a great deal of back research and it takes it takes some rethinking.

L

What we're actually doing- and one of our concerns is- is the balancing act between how loosely and how tightly we try to control the development market. One of the things we know is when we try to control it very tightly through things like specific height standards, the development market may go somewhere else and a particular part of the city might miss that opportunity. When we control it too loosely it may have negative impacts, so we're trying to find that correct balance.

L

But we we do know that we hear over and over again in this part of the city and in other parts of the city of Minneapolis, particularly the north side, that the neighborhoods are desperate for investment and have great concern that hurt. There has been investment in many other parts of the city, particularly on the south side and on the east side, but not on the north side.

L

So this is a billion dollar investment by the federal government, the state government and Metropolitan government and the county government to build this light rail lines- that's investment- that's not going to, but we can't accept that investment and expect everything to stay in place where we can do what we can to control things so that it is amenable. But we also know that if we keep out investment, there's never going to be the retail services that this neighborhood needs.

L

There's never going to be that you asked about parking cars, most of the neighborhood doesn't own a car, and so what we're? Thinking of and sitting, instead of encouraging more places for people to park, there will be light rail trains that are arriving at eight-minute headways. Throughout most of the day, there will be a bus, rapid transit line that will have be arriving on twelve to fifteen minute headways most of the day, so that will supplement the lack of of automobile ownership. That's presently there.

N

Well, yeah, so I, you know again, you'll have to determine, or do you think this is which what you're looking for? But on page twelve in the introduction, we say one of the main goals of the plant there's a list of goals.

N

This was developed with the community, but the fourth bullet point down and Pedro says: preserve the ability of existing residents to stay in the neighborhood, while creating opportunities for new residents to live in the area and then the recommendations for chapter two, the transit oriented development halves, has a series of recommendations for the transit station area and it says existing, affordable housing units for current residents should be preserved and then next bullet point new, affordable housing is encouraged to replace existing, affordable housing losses due to redevelopment rising rents or as a part of mixed income developments and then finally, the final point- and this applies a lot to the work that the city is doing to tie it all together.

N

It says: request for proposals and development of public land should ensure balanced development that includes neighbor neighborhoods, serving retail income diversity, employment targets. You know some of these things are going to be different depending whether it's a commercial development or a residential development, provides housing choices and preserves affordable housing options and.

Q

I just won. One of the pieces of the argument is also that staying in place means that there's economic growth. If your family changes, you know you're not forced to move out of a neighborhood because you're more financially better off than you were ten years ago. So again it's a complex issue with you know the sense of neighborhood really important and I just want to know that the that have come here today have been heard and it sounds like our intentions are very similar.

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N

Agree with that I think you know: we've heard what they said and it's our intention to try and address it, but there are a lot of moving parts. I think Jack explained it well.

A

Thank you, mr. bowl, any further questions for staff. Thank you. Would somebody like to make a motion or start a conversation discussion on this topic sure.

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P

Kind of mentioned this earlier I would like to echo some of the things that Commissioner Rockwell said earlier about including specific building heights in a small area plan or recommended specific building heights. There's a couple different places where it describes the kind of land-use categories or the transit scale. The urban scale on the more neighborhood oriented one and I guess I can terms up at all three of those and just I.

P

We've been seeing a lot of us in the past few years and I'm sure before that, where we do a lot of outreach and have open houses and get feedback, and so we put stuff in a small area plan and that then we see projects for in those areas, and people spend a lot of time and put a lot of effort into saying four stories on this street.

P

And then we end up approving conditional use permits for things because they, you know, met the requirements in the conditional use permit and so I I think it might be time for us to stop putting this kind of language and our small area plans. So I don't know the best I. Don't you know I, don't know if I have the support of the majority of the Commission here or and I don't know exactly the best way to handle that I.

P

Don't think we should try to write it specifically now, but maybe we could give some kind of direction as this gets considered by zoning and planning in the next few weeks. That's something that I would definitely support. I.

F

I have a suggestion for writing now, just I and that we can I want to just open this up for discussion, so this so I'm only addressing the urban scale, development district on page 79 and then I'll bounce back to page 68, which addresses the named district, but in a different context. So the I don't think I'm changing the intent of this section at all. So but I'd like your staff, so the proposal is to adjust the language to urban scale. Development district supports medium density.

F

Development period includes three to four story: building heights period, the urban scale development district is intended to provide transitional density between the transit scale, development district and the neighborhood scale development district. Great.

F

So what I've done? There is I've taken the language that you've used in the neighborhood scale, the Belton district, so a neighborhood scale, development district you've said it includes single and two family homes and accessory dwelling units along with some other elements. But it's not absolute and it's not.

F

It doesn't preclude other appropriate uses and then I've, just contextualized. That density level between the other two /.

F

Any commissioners have or staff I'm trying to I'm trying to get what we're talking about, to be able to thread through the the processes that we know we work through and to I have the language here. If you want it, if you can read by handwriting Commissioner.

A

H

Thank you, president. Vice president suck I also find it difficult when stories limits are in a small airplane. We've seen that countless times here, the last few years that the small airplane is used to control height, when in fact the zoning code is used to control the height and there's just use process to increase the height of buildings. We've also heard a lot tonight about inclusionary zoning, mixed income buildings, it's much easier to add a story to a four-story building to get affordable units and is to build a whole new project.

H

So I would advocate for flexibility in Heights I. Don't think three and four is enough flexibility for a pretty big section of this plan, I've advocated for the term mid-rise buildings, which is a little ambiguous, but it's it doesn't say it's a four-story building. It means that the mid-rise building that could be three stories. That could be five stories. It might even be six stories, but there's a range and a character to that type of building. That's not 10 or 15 or 20 stories. But it's certainly not three stories or two stories.

H

So I would advocate for flexibility and not sure what the answer is exact.

F

But I'm sorry are you advocating for just eliminating any mention of numbers? What I was trying to do was I. Think it's clear right. What I was trying to do is provide that sort of broad guidance, but give the clear intent of the policy that that is, guidance and that's not we've.

H

All seen this I know Martin Mercy homes. Two weeks ago, the small area plan says four stories. Zoning code allows for flexibility in height. They need certain conditions but I'm in favor of a more of a character defining term like good rise versus a number.

A

Commissioner Morrey no I.

Q

Had an opinion about how to describe this in a way that works.

A

And Commissioner agree know how to comment.

N

I'm, sorry is that a question for snapper, commissioner.

A

Elands was a question.

N

For stan, you know I I, honestly, don't know how to come up with a solution. That'll make all of you happy I'm, sorry, but I'll say what I tried to do. Is I tried to put stories in there not to say and I did development review for ten years so I get that not to say this has to be four stories and it can never be anything taller than that.

N

But I think if we get a rid of density and we get rid of stories- and we say things like you know: it's not fair to people in the neighborhood. They don't know what what we're saying can go there. So I think there has my personal opinion.

N

Respectfully you can disagree on this is that there has to be some sort of range, but understanding that having done this work that every time I took a project forward that had an increase in height, everybody said to me all your plans, as for stories, I hate that stuff happening so I tried to put I tried to address it by putting language in here that that said, the categories are meant to provide a general and I think a person could cut and paste this under their staff report. That's the way I was thinking of it.

N

The categories are meant to provide a general description of development intensity, but you know there's talks about how you have to evaluate height against the policy guidance of the entire plan, so in other words, a taller building.

N

Maybe that allows residents to stay in the neighborhood or that puts a parking ramp on the second and third floor, because it can't be built underground rather than a giant surface pregnant, or that does a point tower certainly gives you more ability to say that's the kind of building we want, rather than a big building that covers the whole block that six storeys tall and that just technically meets the zoning code.

N

I also set the zoning code, a specific evaluation factors for increasing the maximum might be on the allowed height that are applicable, as applicable as well. I tried to talk about some of the things that people should be looking at when looking at a height increases. You know floor area, ratio, site design, standards surrounding character, transitioned, industry, just adjacent uses, so I think there's a lot of different ways. You could tackle it, but I felt by giving it a specific general area to shoot. 4-Cyl people a lay person reading.

N

It gets an idea of what it's supposed to be in having language in here that talks about the types of factors that we all consider to increase. The height was the most appropriate way to do it, but I'm not so vain is to say that that's the only way it could be done.

L

No to that, this is not something that we just came up with and said wallah, it's done, there's pieces of this plan that are on the cutting room floor because we looked at different ideas and we discarded them one of the concerns we have given the current development market. I think you'll all recognize.

L

This is that, because of the building code, we're getting six storey buildings, sometimes seven, and there are two men and when we have terms that are we want to be flexible, but when we have terms that are too loose, the building or the development community will build to the building code because it's easy for them to get in make some money and keep moving on to the next site.

L

And so we have a lot of parts of the city that actually could have a great deal more development intensity than they do, but because the language allows it they are coming in for six stories places in downtown. We we do not. We would like to see variation in this project area.

L

We do not want to see a mass of six or seven story, buildings that are all 200 feet long and we are concerned that, if that happens, there may not actually be enough of a market to drive that critical retail and neighborhood services that the neighborhood really desperately needs.

L

We, we came to a couple of weeks ago with information about commercial and retail services in the city and showed you how people are leaving the city left and right to go, get what they need, because we're not allowing the kind of development that drives neighborhood and retail services. So one of the concerns we have is that if we are writing our plans to the zoning code, instead of adapting the zoning code to the plans.

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L

We are feeding into a development market that, let's face it when the client is seeking a certain kind of rent, they will build a very nice six storey building and when they don't think the market is there for a certain kind of rent, they will build an okay six storey building and we're concerned that this entire opportunity would be lost if we had language that eventually allowed just six storey buildings.

L

So that's our concern, and and because of that, if we allow everything to be what we're trying to do is show where the building should be tallest, and if we allow some caps on the lower buildings, we're hoping that that might actually circumvent some of the displacement. We can't.

L

We can't actually control the private development market through design, but we're concerned that if we do allow too much of the six and seven storey design, that's going to encourage developers to cannibalize single-family homes and as you'll see from the land use plans, we have not indicated on most of those single-family neighborhoods that they would be changed. That's because we respect what we hear from the neighborhood. Thank.

A

You Commissioner Morrey, no thanks and I. Think going back.

P

A couple comments there how mr. Gould started off. We were saying about having worked in development review for ten years. I think that sometimes kind of is the issues, because you have work in development review for ten years and we all are kind of generally aware of how a conditional use permit works, but it often doesn't get explained very well, and so you get a 500-word news story about how people are seeking special permission to do this.

P

In that we end up with kind of the same battle every three months where people think that the city is doing X, & Y to them and developers are doing X, & Y, and it it just. We end up with kind of an unhealthy situation where everything is like you know: I I don't want to use a term like fight, but you know it is it's very contentious all the time and to have to do that. Every time there's like a 60 unit. Building that comes a for us to take a look at I.

P

Don't know that that's a great it hasn't been working super well and I think we should just really be thinking about ways to to make that work a little bit better because mister buyers or doctor buyers is right that you know the building code does kind of Drive that six story building type but I, don't know that that necessarily is bad.

P

I mean if that's what developers are building that's providing housing for people as long as it meets the other conditions that we've set out and I think we did a good job in this is a very good plan. You know laying out that we want retail in certain places and we want certain design considerations. I mean I, don't I, don't think it's necessarily bad. If we get a lot of six story, buildings I think ideally we'd want it to be bigger at the intersections, but you know don't overthink it too much. I guess.

A

There's no crowns er.

H

I just want to be clear: I'm not advocating for six story, buildings that are 200 feet long within the zoning classification. We are seeing that, but there's lots of ways the. Hopefully, the new comp plan can address building length and size and a little more strong on character of place. Biomedically enforce flexibility. So here's my last idea and I'm going to leave about that. Maybe within the urban scale paragraph on page 79, there's a simple sentence that says after in three or four story: building heights or.

H

Heights, as approved through specific development projects, you know the zoning code allows for additional height through that process. So maybe you can just simply state that in that paragraph.

H

But I do believe Jim that you do have very good language in there and that idea of copy and paste in the staff record is quite brilliant. So thank you for that, but just a little bit of clarity of that, but.

N

There's no limit.

H

The four stories in this district I.

N

Know it's not my place to jump in here, but I'm going to just for the sake of clarity, I didn't mean to say that you couldn't. You know. I just said, of course, the way I did it is best, but I do need if I do need at some point, for you all to as a commission to make emotions, you know, I can't go based on what one Commissioner says. So you know I mean if that's what you're going towards doing that's great but I just do. It would need to be some sort of emotion.

N

That explains what the Commission would like us to forward to the City Council.

A

Any further questions or comments somebody want to make that motion.

A

Commissioner wroclaw.

F

Why don't I make it I think it's a hybrid motion.

F

Which is simply adding so so a move that we add and there will be two motions that are paired so on page 79 to the urban scale, development district, in-between the first sentence and the last sentence. So after the word Heights period, we insert a sentence that says the urban scale. Development district is intended to provide transitional density between the transit scale, development district and the neighborhood scale development district period, and then it goes on to your lessons, which is this categories generally, most coffee, etcetera, etc.

F

So I think that kind of achieves the you know this is guidance, but this is what the guidance says, and so then I would like to go to page 68.

F

Well, I'm, going to the motions, I think they're appropriate to be paired some page 68. There is the.

F

Medium density, residential.

F

As defined by dwelling units per acre and I would insert in between the first sentence and the second sentence there, the medium density residential district is intended to provide transitional density between the medium to high density, residential district and the low density residential district and then on to the lessons this land-use categories, etc, etc. So there are two motions but achieving the same thing on two parallel or maybe it's one motion so.

A

Assuming that the the motion is to approve the stationary plan, with the recommended text, changes on page 68 and 79 current as stated, is there a second any further discussion.

F

Oh one thing just I wanted to add into the affordable housing discussion earlier, since we had some comments on that yeah I think Jack made very good comments. There and I totally agree. I think that this specifically I think that the anything we do in this neighborhood is going to have real ramifications throughout the city, and we need to be addressing these issues on a citywide basis and I know.

F

There are a lot of policy ideas that are there in comments in this in our packets and being discussed by incoming State Council members and coming there that that are, you know, I, hope and assume, and we believe lie apart in this in that topper has a plan and those include making sure that we're not creating pockets where all the affordable, housing and public housing in the city is in a couple neighborhoods, and then there are a couple neighborhoods that have none of it, because I think that's part of the problem that we're seeing so I I just wanted to reflect on that and say that we are at least for myself but I.

F

Think us, as a commission and and the City Council on the mayor have all intents to to address this and it, and it would be nice to address it here, but I think that we're not going to get the best solutions here and we are only delaying that a little bit so I just wanted to flex on that. Thank.

A

You any further comments: Commissioner Sweezey thank.

K

You I don't really have a problem with the motions: I, don't I, don't I.

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K

Know that they're necessary for me anyway, but before we get I, mean I, think we've gotten into the weeds a little bit just on this thing, with height and I just want to compliment the plan overall. I think it covers many. Many things, I'm really excited to see. This kind of investment in this neighborhood I think that there are a lot of problems that this can help solve, including the dangerous traffic situation on 55.

K

You know issues at bus stops, moving people faster and better. In other ways the economic development potential I think is really exciting and well I. Think those other issues certainly are important. We've had a lot of talk about that. Just overall I think this is great for this.

K

Neighborhood I've been on this commission just about two years, and this is the first real major investment that that we've waited on on the Northside since I've been doing it and as a former North Side resident and someone who has a great interest in that neighborhood I, just think it's terrific, so thanks I. Second.

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Commissioner of agree, no one.

P

Did it clarify so the motion on the table right now on page 79? Is it you were just adding that sensor? Were you replacing the first sentence and that it's just adding.

F

That sentence, if you'd like to make a complimentary motion, that's on you, I I,.

P

Mean I think we can I think we can still kind of accomplish the I. Don't know I just I'm still really wary of putting a specific number in there or a specific range even three to four.

P

So I don't know and I don't think that I have the votes to change that. But I guess all yes.

K

P

Just make kind of general comments, um but it is a very good plan plans very good. It's very well prepared, I think this is something to you know emulate around the city. Is we have more transportation areas, and hopefully these two trains will actually get built at some point in the next five years here and I.

P

Think we'll also have you know, kind of a cool, maybe case study if the homeland historic district goes through and we have a train right there and sort of see what it does with housing prices and displacement and those two station areas, if we're kind of limiting develop in one area and encouraging it and another what it ultimately actually does with the areas around the stations will be something to watch.

A

Any further comments, not seeing any I guess I'd, also echo some of the commissioners up here, really well done, plan it's great to see it evolve and the commitment that you put into the effort and I also want to thank all the people who came out to testify tonight. I think affordable housing. Gentrification are big issues that it sounds like we're dealing with this part of the comprehensive planning process, and so I would hope that you would stay engaged in that process and continue to voice.

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You know your opinions as it relates to those subjects, and hopefully we can accommodate that as part of the planning process. So we have a motion. That's been seconded. If there's no further discussion clerk, please call roll.

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Concludes idem number 9, commission business. We have committee the whole this Thursday and I I. Think that's it. So we are during next Planning Commission. Regular meeting is December 4th.