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B
Thanks
very
much
I
will
call
to
order
the
november
2nd
2020
planning
commission
hearing
the
time
is
4
31
and
to
begin
we'll
ask
that
clerk
to
call
roll.
D
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
We
have
quorum
next
up.
Would
someone
like
the
most
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
october
19th
city
planning,
commission
hearing
and
the
cow
consent
agenda?
Those
are
items
three
and
four
on
our
agenda.
D
C
B
That
motion
carries
next
up,
we'll
organize
the
agenda
for
tonight's
city
planning,
commission
hearing.
I
will
walk
through
the
agenda
if
anyone
on
the
line
wishes
to
testify
against
staff
recommendations
on
an
item
to
change
or
or
deny
staff
recommended
staff's
recommendation
on
an
item.
B
Please
let
us
know
that
you're
here
press
star
six
to
unmute
yourself
and
let
us
know
otherwise
we
will
be
placing
the
items
on
the
consent
agenda
item
number
five
is
2837
chicago
avenue:
28
30,
10th
avenue
south
in
ward
9.,
for
anybody
like
to
speak
on
item
number
five.
B
No
one
will
place
that
item
on
consent.
Item
number
six
is
521,
which
is
521
main
street
northeast
in
ward
3..
Anybody
like
to
speak
on
item
number.
B
B
We'll
place
item
number
six
on
consent.
Item
number:
seven:
is
the
holiday
station
store
at
23
22
washington,
avenue
north
in
ward
5?
We
will
discuss
item
number.
Seven
item
number
eight
is
4351
chicago
avenue
in
ward
11..
Anybody
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number,
eight
unmute
yourself
by
hitting
star
six.
B
B
B
We'll
place
item
number
10
on
the
consent
agenda.
Item
number
11
is
2841
hennepin
avenue
in
ward
10..
Would
anybody
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendations
on
item
number
11.
B
B
Here
all
right
hearing,
no
one
the
agenda
as
amended
as
it
will
discuss,
item
number
seven
and
place
items
number:
five:
six,
eight,
nine,
ten
and
eleven
on
the
consent
agenda.
Commissioner,.
B
G
Hello,
yes
speaking
for
for
item
number
10.
B
All
right
very
good,
we
will
so
let
me
and
what
I
just
said.
H
B
J
B
Next
up,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
on
the
consent
agenda.
Commissioners,
or
is
there
anybody
wishing
to
testify
on
the
consent
agenda.
B
Every
now
known,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
the
consent
agenda.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
a
consent
agenda
with
all
staff
recommendations.
D
B
Very
good,
okay,
well
we'll
move
on
to
our
discussion
agenda
and
our
first
item
is
item
number.
Seven.
The
holiday
station
store
23
22
washington
avenue.
North
ward,
5
staff
is
andrew
friends,
andrew
flores,
yorks.
L
L
Rockwell
and
commissioners
before
you
today
are
two
applications
to
allow
the
reconstruction
and
modification
of
a
gas
station
at
2322
washington
avenue
north.
The
applicant
is
seeking
a
conditional
use
permit
for
an
automobile
convenience
facility
and
site
plan
review
here.
This
property
is
a
corner
lot
of
just
over
22
000
square
feet.
It's
located
at
the
intersection
of
washington,
avenue,
north
and
24th
avenue
north
across
washington,
from
the
from
the
property
is
I-94.
L
The
mississippi
is
located
about
three
blocks
to
the
east
of
the
site.
Could
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please,
this
property
was
occupied
by
a
gas
station
which
was
constructed
in
1995
and
was
destroyed
by
arson
in
the
unrest
in
may
holiday
does
retain
the
right
to
rebuild
a
gas
station
here
which
would
match
the
one
that
was
destroyed.
However,
they
are
seeking
these
applications
to
allow
some
changes
to
the
reconstructed
gas
station
next
slide.
Please.
L
When
it
comes
to
the
overall
scope
of
the
gas
station
and
use
of
the
site
compared
to
the
former
gas
station,
there
are
two
primary
changes.
First,
the
new
gas
station
would
have
fewer
fuel
pumps,
reducing
the
number
of
fueling
points
from
eight
to
six
and
second,
the
retail.
The
convenience
store
portion
of
the
use
would
be
expanded
by
approximately
900
square
feet
to
a
total
proposed
size
of
a
little
over
4
100
square
feet
next
slide.
L
The
project,
as
proposed,
does
still
require
alternative
compliance
to
several
parts
of
the
site.
Plan
review
ordinance,
that's
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
but
in
all
cases
the
project
is
moving
closer
to
compliance
with
the
standards
than
the
previous
gas
station
that
was
present
on
the
property
staff
is
recommending
several
conditions
of
approval,
as
listed
in
the
staff
report
that
are
intended
to
reduce
the
requested
alternative
compliance.
L
Where
staff
felt
that
requiring
full
compliance
with
the
standard
was
reasonable
if
there
are
any
specific
alternative
compliance
requests
or
conditions
of
approval
that
any
commissioners
would
like
to
discuss
in
more
detail,
I'm
happy
to
to
do
that,
but
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
both
applications
subject
to
those
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report
and
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
M
B
M
This
okay,
thank
you,
president
rockwell
members
of
the
planning
commission.
My
name
is
dave
edquist
development
manager
for
holiday
station
stores.
Let
me
first
say
that
holiday
is
looking
forward
to
reopen
reopening
to
serve
the
community.
M
We
did
have
a
good
meeting
with
the
hawthorne
neighborhood
association
and
are
pleased
to
have
their
support
joining
me
today
on
the
call
we
have
carol:
lansing,
special
counsel
from
faegery,
drinker,
biddle
and
wreath
mark
stinson,
director
of
real
estate
for
holiday
and
john
barrigi
regional
director
of
construction
for
holiday.
So
we
have
folks
here
that
are
available
to
answer
questions
that
anyone
may
have.
B
Very
good,
thank
you
very
much.
Commissioners
are
sorry.
Well,
first,
I
said:
is
there
anybody
else
on
the
line
wishing
to
testify
on
this
item.
B
All
right
hearing,
nobody,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
Commissioners.
I
Yeah
hi,
so
I
I'm
really
excited
that
this
holiday
is
opening
back
up
again.
It
used
to
actually
be
the
one
closest
to
my
home,
so
I
was
there
quite
a
bit
and
I
actually
think
that
the
people
working
there
were
very
friendly
and
wonderful.
So
I'm
really
glad
that
they're
opening
up
and
the
materials
are
superior
than
before
and
everything
my
question
or
not
question
but
comments
that
I
would
like
to
discuss
with
the
commissioners
tonight
are
related
to
site
improvements.
I
If
we
could
go
to
the
site
plan
again
with
the
plantings
and
whatever
shown
on
it,
there
we
go
so
I
know
that
in
previous
years,
when
this
came
before
us,
I
think
I
might
have
even
been
the
person
to
move
for
their
their
sign
application
way
back
in
the
day
and-
and
I
know
that
in
the
other
holiday-
that's
a
few
blocks
south
of
here.
We
looked
at
or
discussed
the
possibility
for
ev
charging
years
ago.
So
so
my
thought
was
with
this
one.
I
It
seems
as
though,
given
some
of
the
requests
for
alternative
compliance
related
to
the
window
requirements
on
the
north,
the
the
really
there's,
not
even
a
public
sidewalk
up
there,
some
of
the
other
insufficient
things
in
terms
of
active
ground,
floor
functions
and
eyes
on
the
street
and
and
landscaping
requests
that
it
seemed
to
me
that
it
might
be
a
reasonable
thing
to
suggest
that
at
least
one
ev
charger
be
located
at
the
northernmost
parking
stall.
I
Just
because
the
nature
of
charging
you're
using
your
vehicle
for
10-15
minutes
or
something,
and
that
would
actually
provide
more
eyes
on
24th,
where
they're
there
really
kind
of
isn't
anything.
Right
now,
and
in
fact
I
was
looking
at
the
statistics,
and
it
was
saying
that
67
of
the
ground
floor
facing
24th
is
active
functions,
but
in
reality
it's
a
storeroom
and
a
bathroom.
So
I'm
not
really
sure
that's
the
active
function
that
we
were
anticipating.
I
I
think
it's
it's
supported
really
in
our
policy
16
environmental
impacts
of
transportation
to
reduce
the
energy,
carbon
and
health
impacts
of
transportation
and
phasing
out
of
fossil
fuels,
and
I
know
that
they
by
right
can
just
rebuild
the
same
gas
station
the
right
way
it
is,
and
I
applaud
them,
for
the
decisions
they're
making
both
in
reducing
the
pump
count,
but
also
you
know,
they're
adding
a
store,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
need
to
realize
that,
if
we're
going
to
transition
out
of
fossil
fuels,
we
need
to
encourage
e-vehicles,
and
this
would
be
one
way
to
kind
of
take
that
step
and
also
reduce
vehicle-related
emissions
through
our
land
use
policies,
as
well,
as
you
know,
creating
a
space
where
there's
this
amenity
in
north
minneapolis
as
well.
I
N
N
I
don't
think
there's
a
great
basis
for
saying
it's
going
to
add
eyes
to
the
street
on
24th.
I
don't
know
that
it
would
get
much
use.
I
don't
know
that
the
driver
would
stay
in
the
car
and
watch
the
street
while,
while
they're
do
you
know
while
they're
there
plus
it
is
an
extremely
large
expense
for
a
fast
charging
station,
which
is
what
would
make
sense
if
you
were
going
to
have
one
at
all
in
a
travel
oriented
place
like
a
gas
station.
Those
are
very
expensive.
N
B
B
I
I
think,
there's
just
a
matter
of
opinion:
you're,
certainly
hearing
a
nexus
and
proportionality
argument
from
commissioner
luke,
pierre
and
and
one
against
that
from
you
carol.
So
thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
lukky
pierre.
I
Yeah,
I
actually
had
a
follow-up
question
from
miss
lansing
then,
if
she
could,
what
is
the
expense
of
that
of
that
rapid
charging
ev
station?
I
Because
I
know
in
general,
when
you
look
at
behaviors
of
people
charging
e-vehicles
it's
it's
usually
reasonable
that
they
stay
in
close
proximity
to
their
car,
at
least
for
a
portion
of
it
of
charging,
and
so
I
think
the
behaviors
weren't,
whether
or
not
they
would
opt
to
go
to
one
north
minneapolis,
I
think,
is
just
dependent
on
on
how
we
view
the
neighborhood,
and
I
personally
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
there
being
so
close
to
I-94,
but
I'm
just
curious
and
if
it's,
if
it's
too
large
of
an
expense,
even
though
there
aren't
any
eyes
on
the
street
on
that
area
and
or
any
sidewalks,
to
promote
pedestrians
to
even
walk
by
there
like
what?
N
I
was
seeing
data
of
like
the
station
that
this,
the
fixture
itself,
I
think,
can
cost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
and
installation
can
cost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
and
those
are
separate
expenses
plus.
Then
you
have,
you
know
the
cost
of
the
power
and
setting
up
a
system
for
for
monitoring
and
charging
that
and
and
where
you
see
these
kinds
of
stations.
From
what
I
was
reading
and
from
what
holiday
told
me,
they're
researching
as
as
a
potential
business
model
would
be
multiple
stations
like.
N
B
I
think
the
relevant
another
relevant
question
here
would
be
what
is
the
expense
of
just
coming
into
compliance
with
our
site
plan
review
standards,
which,
presumably
that
is
not
convenient
for
the
holiday
station
store
owner?
Otherwise
they
would
just
do
that.
B
So,
as
we
think
about
proportionality,
you
know,
there's
always
the
option
of
just
complying
with
safe
plan
review.
Commissioner
libke
here.
I
Yeah
I
had
a
a
question
for
staff
then,
and
I
don't
know
whether
there's
a
question
for
andrew
or
for
kimberly,
but
as
we
move
forward
in
you
know
changing
times,
and
I
know
which
we,
I
don't
think
we
are
allowing
any
new
gas
stations
to
be
built
where
they're
not
currently
located.
Is
that
still?
Is
that
correct?
Am
I
remembering
correctly?
I
All
right
I'll
start
us
off
by
moving
approval
of
application.
A
conditional
use
permit
to
approve
to
allow
an
automobile
convenience
facility.
B
O
D
D
B
That
motion
carries.
We
have
one
more
application,
slight
plan
review.
Commissioner,
look
he's
here.
I
All
right,
so
I'm
gonna.
I
guess
this
is
the
time
to
see
how
the
commission
feels
about
this.
I'm
gonna
move
approval
of
site
planner
view,
but
with
condition
10
that
they
will
install
one
ev
charging
station
at
the
northernmost
parking
stall,
and
I
do
think
that,
given
the
deficiency
in
window
requirements
active
ground
floor
functions
on
the
north
side,
general
landscaping
and
screening,
that
requires
alternative
compliance.
I
think
it's
entirely
related
related
trade-offs.
So
I
you
know,
I'm
curious,
my
commissioners
think,
but
I'm
going
to
make
that
motion.
P
Thank
you,
president
rockwell,
while
I'm
certainly
not
opposed
to
the
concept
of
requiring
this
added
vehicle
charging
station,
I
am
adequately
persuaded
by
the
applicant
and
ms
lansing's
statement
about
this.
What's
important
here,
I
think
right
now
is
that
is
that
they
get
a
chance
to
rebuild
and
get
going
on
this
considering
the
way.
The
reason
that
we
have
this
application
is
through
no
fault
of
holiday's
own.
P
Here,
their
property
was
destroyed,
and
while
it
may
be
a
good
thing
to
think
about
and
perhaps
put
in
an
ordinance
and
things
like
that,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
requiring
this
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
We
haven't
started
that
with
other
gas
stations
to
now,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
this
this
is
not
the
right
set
of
circumstances
under
which
to
require
it
again,
owing
to
the
fact
that
this
is
this
is
a
replacement
for
a
property
that
existed.
P
So
I
support
the
idea
in
concept
commissioner
luke
loopkeep
here,
but
I
won't
be
able
to
support
the
motion
with
that
as
a
condition
of
approval.
E
Thank
you,
chair
rockwell.
This
is
my
gas
station.
I
probably
was
in
that
gas
station,
probably
three
four
times
a
week
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
rebuilding
of
this
gas
station.
I
do
appreciate
the
motion,
but
I
appreciate
more
that
we're
seeing
some
expediency
in
getting
this
gas
station
rebuilt.
E
There
are
quite
a
few
gas
stations
on
the
north
side
near
my
home
that
I
don't
frequent
as
often
as
I've
had
to
because
of
the
lack
of
gas
stations,
or
I
need
to
travel
a
little
bit
further,
which
of
course
I
need
gas
I'm
going
to
have
to.
But
what
bothers
me
about
is
is
having
to
go
outside
of
minneapolis.
To
do
that,
so
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
motion.
E
I
do
appreciate
it,
and
I
also
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is:
I'm
excited
about
the
expansion
of
the
store,
and
hopefully
the
folks
that
did
work.
There
will
also
get
their
jobs
back,
because
it
was
a
great
group
of
folks
that
worked
in
that
that
store
it
was
a
great
loss
and
then
the
landscaping.
I
really
appreciate
the
the
detail
of
going
into
the
landscape,
so
thank
you.
D
C
A
B
H
F
H
B
I
All
right,
in
light
of
that,
I
will
move
be
with
the
nine
stated
conditions
for
approval.
B
Very
good:
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
out
of
these
sites
and
review
with
the
non-state
conditions.
Commissioner,
smiley.
B
B
Motion
carries
and
that
concludes
our
business
with
item
number.
Seven.
Next
up
is
item
number
10,
central
and
hennepin
apartments
416
to
420
hennepin
avenue
east
in
ward.
3.
staff
is
mailing
smith
floor
zeros.
Q
Hi
good
evening,
president
rockwell
and
commissioners,
I
will
go
to
the
next
side.
Please
it's
4
16
420
hennepin,
so
this
is
wedged
between
hennepin
and
central
in
northeast
minneapolis.
It's
an
unusual
site
has
two
parcels
and
a
portion
of
the
site
contains
an
unused
alley
and
that
is
requested
to
be
vacated
as
part
of
this
project.
So
it
would
be.
You
know,
a
more
even
side
on
central
avenue.
Q
This
is
in
the
c2
zoning
district
with
the
po
overlay,
it's
guided
for
transit
30,
so
that
means
it's
meant
for
a
building
height
of
10
to
30
stories
in
the
comprehensive
plan
built
form
guidance,
it's
guided
for
community
mixed
use.
So
what
that
means
on
this
site
would
be
an
active
uses,
requirement
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
both
hennepin
and
central
are
considered
goods
and
services
corridors
next
slide,
please.
Q
Q
Please,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
rezoning
to
c3a,
as
well
as
a
conditional
use
permit
for
height,
to
increase
the
height
from
four
to
eight
stories,
to
increase
the
floor
area
ratio
to
5.78
a
variance
of
the
building
placement,
because
a
portion
along
fifth
is
set
back
more
than
eight
feet
and
site
planned
review,
and
then
the
vacation
that
I
already
mentioned
next
slide.
Please.
Q
So
I've
just
included
a
few
renderings
that
speak
to
a
few
of
the
conditions
that
are
maybe
the
most
maybe
difficult
to
achieve
per
the
staff
recommendation.
The
applicant,
as
far
as
I
know,
is
amenable
to
all
of
the
conditions
of
approval
that
were
listed
in
the
staff
report,
but
one
area
of
concern
was
the
blank
wall.
There's
an
84-foot
blank
wall
along
hennepin
avenue
and
right
now,
they're
proposing
an
art
mural
that
requires
alternative
compliance
because
it
does
not
mitigate
the
blank
wall.
Q
So
staff
is
recommending
that
the
blank
wall
be
mitigated
for
the
final
plans.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
here's
an
elevation
view
of
the
same
blank
wall
on
the
first
floor.
Elevation
next
slide,
please
and
then
here's
the
site
plan.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
blank
will
be
adjacent
to
a
parking
garage
facing
hennepin.
Q
Another
condition
of
note
that
the
that
the
applicant
is
amenable
to
is
that
we're
requiring
that
the
central
avenue
curb
cut
to
the
alley,
be
right
in
and
right
out
only
and
that's
a
change
from
what
is
was
originally
posed
from
the
planning
commission
submission,
but
the
tdmp,
the
travel
demand
management
plan
submitted
by
the
applicant
shows
that
that
would
be
optimal.
So
that's
one
of
the
conditions
we're
recommending
and
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
I'm
here
to.
B
F
B
R
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
I'm
jason
lord
from
soul,
hunt
companies
and
I'm
here
with
craig
hartman
from
momentum,
design,
group
and
camilla
elliott
and
kurt
gunsberry
as
well,
and
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
may
come
up
and,
as
bailing
said,
we're
commendable
to
all
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
B
All
right,
very
good
with
that,
I
will
open
it
up
to
other
folks
who
wish
to
testify.
I
believe
first
up
is
sam
penders,
there's
sam
penders
on
the
line
wishing
to
testify.
Please
unmute
yourself
by
hitting
star
six
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
B
If
you
could,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
go
ahead.
G
Yes,
I
am
carol
merrill
vice
president
of
the
needna
bigfoot
island
east
bank,
neighborhood
association.
I
live
at
10
second
street
southeast
in
minneapolis.
G
Members
of
the
planning
commission.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
this
project.
The
nicolet
island
east
bank,
neighborhood
association,
needna,
has
evaluated
the
proposed
project
by
selling
properties
for
a
seven
story
or
eight
story.
229
unit
mixed
use,
building
at
416,
420,
east
hennepin
avenue
nemo,
does
not
support
this
project
because
we
believe
it
wholly
undermines
the
city's
laudable
goals
found
in
the
minneapolis
2040
comprehensive
plan.
G
It
fails
to
meet
the
2040
policy
for
increased
height
and
density
in
t-30
transit
corridors.
It
fails
to
comply
with
the
2040
plan
for
active
use
requirements
on
commercial
corridors.
We
do
not
believe
a
blank
wall
of
any
dimension
and
glad
to
hear
that
staff
has
mitigated
that
on
east
hennepin
avenue,
whether.
D
G
G
That
would
be
caused
by
a
two-way
vehicular
entrance
exit
off
central
avenue,
whether
it's
right
turn
exit
interest
or
not.
The
intersection
of
east
hennepin
and
central
avenues
is
a
noteworthy
gateway
gateway
to
our
neighborhood.
We
eagerly
welcome
development
at
this
decade-old
blighted
surface
lot,
bounded
by
buildings
in
disrepair.
G
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
sam
penders
may
not
be
online?
Is
there
sam
panders
online
at
this
point?
S
S
Yes,
my
name
is
scott
parkin.
I
am
the
owner
of
verve
realty
at
17
4th
street
southeast,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
subject
property
here
and
I'm
just
calling
in
support
for
the
project
today,
I'm
a
25-year
either
resident
or
owner,
or
both
of
in
the
neighborhood
and
I've
watched
over
the
years.
This
is
the
third
proposed
use
of
this
property
and
I
actually
think
it
may
be
one
of
the
better
of
the
three
and
I
am
optimistic
that
it
would
bring
greater
density.
S
It
would
bring
a
more
enlivened
texture
to
the
neighborhood
that
I'm,
you
know,
I'm
working
15
feet
from
it
as
we
speak,
and
I
think
that
I
am
not
as
concerned
as
a
previous
speaker
carol
about
the
curb
cut
coming
out
of
this
property.
I
use
it
virtually
every
day,
multiple
times
a
day.
While
I
do
think
that
the
requirement
that
it
be
a
right
in
a
right
out
is
a
good
idea.
S
I
do
think
it
would
work
for
this
property
and
in
general,
I
think
the
variance
that's
being
requested
far
outweighs
any
the
benefits
of
it
far
outweigh
whatever
divergence.
This
development
would
have
from
the
from
the
greater
city
plan
based
on
density,
and
I
actually
think
the
improved
architecture
and
getting
rid
of
a
blighted
city
lot.
So
again.
Scott
park
and
bird.
B
Realty
very
good.
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
anybody
else
wishing
to
testify
on
this
item?
If
there's
sam.
G
O
H
H
H
H
I
do
appreciate
that
they
revise
the
plan
from
the
original
one
to
make
it
a
bit
wider
in
hennepin,
but
I
think
it
might
be
worth
thinking
about
if
it's
worth
getting
rid
of
the
trees
along
the
building
to
make
sidewalk
a
bit
wider,
like
perhaps
15
feet,
because
it'll
be
like
very
busy
over
there.
In
a
couple
years,
there's
been
a
lot
of
housing
that
is
built
nearby.
H
H
Is
a
good
thing?
Potentially,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
like
the
signs.
I
don't
think
those
will
really
be
obeyed,
so
it
might
be
worth
thinking
about
if
you
can
require,
like
mndot
in
the
city
to
put
in
dollars
along
the
central
line
of
central's,
actually
make
sure
people
aren't
turning
so
yeah.
That's.
O
F
J
Thank
you.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
staff
specifically
about
the
write-in
right
out
requirement.
Would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
require
bollards
to
delineate
that
so
that
that
it
has
to
be
followed
and
not
just
a
sign.
Q
Q
T
Sometimes
there's
like
a
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
The
porkchop
design
can
be
effective,
essentially
forcing
the
right
turn
as
well.
J
Okay
and
then
I
I
also
wanted
to
just
ask
about
staff
recommendation
to
support.
You
know
an
eight-story
building
when
there's
the
the
ten-story
requirement
of
the
neighborhood
wrote
a
letter
in
opposition
to
this
project,
because
it's
it's
not
tall
enough
doesn't
mean
that
the
10-story
limit.
J
Are
we
still
in
kind
of
this
transitional
period
where,
where
you,
where
that
would,
where
you're
going
to
recommend
it
right,
recommend
that
and
you're
going
to
be
like
not
recommending
that
once
it
becomes
formal
or
just
just
talk
about
that,
your
thought
process
behind
that.
Q
I
can
start
and
then
miss
helene.
If
you
want
to
jump
in
but
yeah
right
now,
we
don't
have
a
mechanism
in
the
zoning
code
to
require
that
minimum
right
now
there
is
policy
that
allows
to
increase
height
above
the
recommended
built
form
guidance
through
achievement
of
additional
comprehensive
plan
goals,
but
we
don't
have
the
same
mechanism
for
lowering
the
height
below
the
transit
10..
So
right
now,
as
the
the
zoning
code
is
being
updated
to
more
closely
reflect
the
built
form
guidance.
We
expect
that
we'll
have
that
as
soon
as
that's
done.
J
You
know
we
want
to
see
taller
buildings
in
this
area,
but
given
the
transitional
nature
of
this,
you
know
I'm
going
to
support
staff's
recommendations
on
this,
and
I
I'll
I'm
also
going
to
make
the
motion
that
mr
lean
recommended
I'll
make
that
motion
when
you're
ready,
chair,
rockwell.
J
Okay,
well
so.
T
J
J
B
Okay
and
if
you'd
like
to
make
a
motion,
go
for
it.
J
So
I
would
move
to
approve
items,
a
b,
c
d,
f
and
then
e
with
the
original
11
stated
conditions
and
a
12th
stated
condition
that
the
curb
cut.
B
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
all
applications
with
one
site
plan,
condition:
audition
fisher,
awesome.
D
Q
B
Q
J
Q
You
could
just
add
a
just
like
a
a
comma
and
just
add
up
add
a
section.
Just
add
a
phrase
that
says
you
know
and
the
curb
cut
shall
be
designed
appropriately
for
right
and
right
out
only
for
something
I
mean
it
probably
doesn't
matter
that
much,
but
it's
a
little
cleaner
for
our
conditions.
J
J
If
the
seconder
is
is
amenable
to
that
then
yeah.
I
will
make
that
that
chain,
as
you
stated
so
can
you
repeat
that
one
again
once
again,
so
I
can
say
it
sure.
Q
Okay,
the
whole
item
would
read
right
now.
It
says
the
central
avenue
southeast
curb
cut
shall
be
restricted
to
write
in
and
write
out
traffic.
Only
so
then
my
suggestion,
my
suggestion,
would
be
comma
and
the
curcut
shall
be
designed
appropriately
for
right
in
and
right
only
traffic
or
something
like
that.
You
could
combine
it.
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
cleaner.
J
Okay,
so
if
the
secondary
is
amenable
to
it,
I
will
change
my
motion
to
remove
condition,
12
and
amend
condition.
10
to
read
central
avenue,
southeast
curb
cut
shall
be
restricted
to
write
in
and
write
out
traffic
only
and
the
curb
cut
shall
be
designed
appropriately
for
right
in
and
right
in
out.
Traffic.
Only
is
that
right,
very
good.
It
makes.
B
All
right
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
any
further
discussion.
J
B
And
it
concludes
our
discussion
item
agenda,
a
reminder
that
we
have
a
planning
commission
hearing
next
monday,
as
well
as
going
in
hall
this
week.
Kimberly.
Are
there
any
staff
announcements
before
we
endure.
T
Yes,
I
will
provide
a
quicker
because
it
can
be
updates
about
the
outcome.
The
four
planning
commission
appeals
that
were
on
the
biz
committee
agenda.
Today
we
had
a
rare
monday,
biz
committee
meeting
due
to
tomorrow's
election,
so
we
had
an
appeal
of
the
2025
west
river
road
project
that
was
submitted
by
shaffer
richardson.
T
The
appeals
were
for
the
conditional
use
permit
for
height
and
the
site
plan
review.
That
appeal
was
denied
so
essentially
upholding
the
planning
commission's
decision
to
approve
those
applications.
T
We
had
an
appeal
of
the
twin
cities,
habitat
for
humanity,
project
at
164,
cedar,
lake
road,
north
and
various
addresses
on
james
avenue
north.
That
was
an
appeal
of
the
planning
commission's
decision
to
deny
the
side
yard
setback
requirement
or
the
side
yard
setback
that
appeal
was
granted,
so
it
will
allow
for
the
site
plan,
as
proposed
by
the
applicant.
T
T
That
was
an
appeal
of
the
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
dwelling
units
in
the
industrial
living
overlay
district,
an
appeal
of
the
conditional
use
permit
for
heights
and
an
appeal
of
the
site
plan
review.
All
of
those
applications
had
been
granted
by
the
planning
commission
that
application,
or
those
appeals
were
also
denied
upholding
the
planning
commission's
decision
on
that.
T
J
T
Council
member
reich
made
the
motion
to
deny
the
rezoning
and
was
the
only
council
member
to
really
make
comments
on
that
other
than
councilmember
schrader,
who
is
also
on
here.
So
he
can
jump
in.
He
comments
to
the
contrary
and
did
recommend
or
did
vote
in
favor
of
the
rezoning,
but
it
was
a
42
vote
and
that
failed,
but
council
member
schroeder,
please
feel
free
to
weigh
in.
A
Well,
on
that
note,
yeah.
D
C
A
A
The
issue,
I
think,
was
trying
to
work
out
a
bigger
policy
based
on
one
development
and
a
one
development
that
has
gotten
approvals
and
kind
of
been
been
worked
through
that
process
and
so
there's
again
just
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
happen
before
next
friday,
but,
as
director
elaine
mentioned,
you
know
this
project
can't
go
forward
with
both
of
those
being
true.
So
we,
if
that
project,
is
to
go
forward,
the
rezoning
will
also
have
to
be
approved.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
was
just
kind
of
wondering,
and
maybe
I
just
didn't
understand
it
correctly,
but
it
seemed
like
the
rezoning
wasn't
up
for
question
right.
It
was
the
other
piece,
but
then
that
one
got
overturned,
I'm
a
little.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
just
confused
as
in
is
that
how
it
works,
or
so
they
would,
they
would
review
the
entire
decision
and
not
just
what
what
is
being
appealed.
D
T
T
The
rezoning
applications
are
on
the
consent
agenda.
However,
when
we
have
appeals
associated
with
a
rezoning
application,
we
typically
recommend
that
the
biz
committee
moved
those
rezoning
actions
to
discussion
items
so
they're,
not
essentially
approving
or
rezoning
before
hearing
the
public
testimony
on
an
appeal.
T
So
that's
what
happened
on
this
one
and
there
was
some
discussion
and
it
ended
up
being
overturned
despite
the
staff
findings
that
it,
the
rezoning,
was
consistent
with
the
comp
plan.
B
And
the
rezonings
are
always
actually
a
council
decision
right.
So
we
have
a
final
decision
on
all
of
the
things
like
conditional
use,
permits
and
variances.
But
rezoning
is
a
policy
is
that
we
are
actually
only
recommending
to
the
council,
and
so
they
always
are
considering
a
rezoning
on
its
own
embarrassment.
They
may
put
it
on
the
content
agenda,
which
is
a
nice
difference
to
our
recommendation,
but
they
don't
it's
actually
their
decision.
Commissioner,
lucky
beer.
I
So
just
so,
I
understand
this
part
of
the
process
because
I
know
once
it
leaves
our
kitchen.
I
don't
know
how
people
eat
this
stuff,
but
like
so
it
was.
That
noticed
like.
Is
that
a
problem
in
terms
of
like
if
I
was
an
average
area,
and
I
thought
other
things
were
being
questioned
that
I
didn't
that
were
being
appealed?
Would
I
would
I
necessarily
have
known
that
the
rezoning
was
back
up
for
debate.
T
So
it
the
rezoning,
the
public
hearing
on
rezoning
applications
always
takes
place
with
the
planning
commission,
so
the
public
hearing
took
place
with
the
planning
commission.
That
was
the
proper
venue
for
that.
However,
that
does
not
preclude
the
zoning.
Well,
zoning
and
planning
committee
or
biz
committee
of
the
city
council
from
having
a
discussion
on
those
items
if
they
so
choose.
T
T
So
I
try
to
give
updates
every
time
it
happens.
We've
just
had
a
lot
more
than
we
typically
do
in
the
last
month
or
so
so
I'll
always
give
you
an
update
here.
But
if
you
want
to
know
ahead
of
time,
it's
a
pretty
tight
turnaround
from
the
time
we
get
the
appeal
to
the
time
the
notice
goes
out,
but
you
can
just
go
to
limbs.minneapolismn.gov,
which
is
where
the
agendas
are
posted
for
the
biz
committee
and
full
council
meetings
and
all
of
the
appeals
would
be
listed.
There.
K
B
Very
good
anything
else,
a
reminder.
R
B
Commissioners,
so
everybody
saw
joe
bernard's
email
today,
but
if
you
are
reviewing
the
the
forum
rezoning
text,
amendment
then
try
to
get
comments
about
that
to
staff.
K
D
B
B
Email
from
joe-
and
so
you
know,
I
don't
know,
I
guess
I'll
look
to
make
sure
it
went
to
everybody
and.