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B
C
A
A
All
right,
I
will
call
roll
on
that
vote.
Commissioner
rockwell,
commissioner
caprini,
commissioner
smiley
aye,
commissioner
marwa
commissioner
meyer.
D
A
Commissioner
olsen
aye
commissioner
schroeder
commissioner
sweezie
that
motion
passes
next
up
is
except
see
the
acceptance
of
the
november
19
2020
planning
commission
committee,
the
whole
minute.
Would
someone
like
to
move
approval
of
those
minutes.
A
B
A
Motion
is
there
a
second
second
olson
all
right,
seeing
no
discussion.
I
will
call
roll
on
that
item.
Commissioner
rockwell,
commissioner
caprini,
commissioner
smiley
aye,
commissioner
marwah
commissioner
meyer.
D
A
Commissioner
olson
aye
commissioner
schrader
commissioner
sweesy,
that
motion
passes
next
on.
The
agenda
is
item
four,
which
is
consent
item
on
a
land,
sale
of
20
parcels
along
west
broadway
avenue,
address
1706
to
1920,
west
broadway
avenue,
2109
james
avenue,
north
and
2009
illian
avenue.
North
staff
is
brie
golding.
E
Good
evening,
commissioners,
yes,
my
name
is
bree
golding
and
I
am
presenting
20
parcels.
That's
off
of
west
broadway.
19
of
the
parcels
are
in
a
corridor
six
and
one
is
in
interior.
Three.
E
A
B
A
All
right
any
further
discussion
and
smiley
just
to
clarify
you're
moving
to
find
the
landfill
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
D
A
Commissioner
olson
hi
commissioner
schroeder
commissioner
sweesy
that
motion
passes.
Thank
you
brie
all
right.
Next
up
is
fire
for
discussion.
Is
it
number
five
lowry
and
second
addressed
at
125
lowry
and
2512
second
avenue?
Northeast
staff
is
shannon
sether
shanna.
I
will
hand
over
the
floor
to
you.
F
Thanks
very
much
good
afternoon
planning
commissioners,
I
have
before
you
today
a
new
residential
project
located
at
125
lowry,
avenue,
northeast
and
2512
2nd
street
northeast
so
see
on
this
plan.
The
properties
are
currently
zoned
i2,
which
is
the
medium
industrial
district.
The
site
is
just
under
an
acre,
0.995
acres,
it's
located
in
ward
1
and
the
marshall
terrace
neighborhood
jason
debatano,
which
is
just
south
across
lowry.
F
The
subject
property
is
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
lowry
and
second,
and
it
is,
there
are
two
existing
commercial
buildings
there
right
now.
F
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
new
six-story
residential
building
with
190
dwelling
units,
there'll
be
a
combination
of
studio,
alcove,
one
and
two
bedroom
units
along
second
street
northeast.
There
would
be
seven
townhouse
style,
walk-up
units
and
then
along
lowry.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
lobby
space
co-working
and
a
fitness
room
for
on-site
amenities.
F
Lowry
avenue
northeast
is
a
goods
and
services
corridor
and
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
future
land
use
map.
In
just
a
moment,
you'll
note
parking
would
be
located
on
the
first
floor
and
then
also
there
would
be
one
level
of
underground
parking.
As
well,.
F
The
site
is
designated
for
corridor
mixed
use
and
the
built
form
designation
of
corridor
six.
The
proposed
building
would
have
a
far
of
4.29
with
the
built
form
designation
of
corridor
6
and
the
proposed
corresponding
built
form
overlay
district.
There
would
be
a
maximum
florida
ratio
of
f
or
far
of
3.4.
F
The
applicant
at
the
time
of
application
was
proposing
two
far
premiums
in
corridor
six.
The
applicant
would
qualify
based
on
the
proposed
text.
Of
course,
that's
not
final.
F
Yet
would
allow
an
increase
of
that
maximum
far
by
.65
for
each
bonus,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
comply
with
the
inclusionary
zoning
policy
with
the
city
of
minneapolis,
so
a
minimum
of
16
dwelling
units
at
or
below
60
ami
would
be
required
based
on
the
190
units,
so
eight
percent
of
that
rounding
up
and
then
also
the
applicant,
has
stated
that
they
would
comply
with
the
environmental
sustainability
far
premium.
F
So
if
both
of
those
bonuses
are
applied,
the
maximum
far
would
increase
to
4.7
and
the
applicants
well
below
that.
So
staff
has
identified
two
lane
use
applications
for
the
proposed
project.
First
is
a
petition
to
rezone,
and
so
the
applicant
has
a
couple
options
with
this
particular
designation
of
corridor
mixed
use.
Commercial
zoning
certainly
would
be
appropriate
because
the
property
is
already
industrially
zoned.
F
They
could
also
apply
the
industrial
living
overlay
district
that
would
allow
for
some
non-residential
uses
and
if
they
did
apply
for
the
industrial
living
overlay
district.
An
additional
application
for
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
for
residential
dwelling
units
would
also
be
required
and
then
site
plan
review
is
the
second
land
use
application.
F
So
stats
staff
has
noted
some
policies
related
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
specifically
around
the
future
land
use,
designation,
the
goods
and
services
corridor,
which
is
lowry,
and
then
also
the
built
form
designation
within
the
memorandum
today,
and
we're
really
seeking
feedback
specifically
on
the
three
items
listed
on
page
four,
but
certainly
here
to
get
additional
feedback
and
the
applicant
can
also
provide
additional
information
as
well.
So
staff
is
looking
for
some
thoughts
around
the
potential
rezoning
to
allow
for
residential
uses.
F
Second,
is
that
if
I
come
back
to
the
future
land
use
map,
you
can
see
lowry
avenue
northeast
is
a
good
services
corridor,
but
the
future
designation
future
land
use
designation
of
court
or
mixed
use
does
not
require
commercial,
but
it
encourages
it.
The
applicant
is
not
proposing
any
commercial
or
retail
uses
within
the
building
at
this
time,
so
we're
looking
for
feedback
related
to
that,
and
then
there
are
two
elevations
that
are
for
the
parking
garage,
so
this
north
elevation.
F
This
shows
the
driveway
elevation,
so
you
actually
would
only
see
from
the
public
alley
this
first
floor
and
then
this
is
also
a
public
alley
along
the
west
elevation.
So
we
have
expansive
blank
walls
where
the
enclosed
parking
is
located.
So
just
looking
thinking
about
what
are
some
mitigation
techniques,
also
recognizing
that
the
property
is
still
adjacent
to
medium,
medium,
industrially,
zoned
property.
F
So
that
concludes
what
I
have
for
you
and
I
am
happy
to
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
to
add
anything
additional.
A
Thank
you
shannon
and
if
the
applicants
can
introduce
themselves
before
they
speak,
that'd
be
fabulous.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah
this
is
thank
you,
shannon,
so
much
great
job
good
evening.
My
name
is
danny
perkins.
I
am
one
of
the
owners
of
125
lowry
and
the
lead
developer.
Thank
you
all
for
allowing
us
to
present
our
project,
which
we
are
excited
about.
I'm
going
to
have
my
architect,
john
present,
the
building
he's
from
doran
who's,
going
to
be
doing's,
going
to
be
helping
us
design
and
build
a
project,
but
we
look
forward
to
having
a
productive
dialogue
and
looking
forward
to
hearing
your
guys's
feedback.
H
Great
thanks
danny
I'm
john
furrier
with
dorne
architecture.
I'm
the
president
of
doran
architecture-
and
you
know
our
design.
Inspiration
for
this
was
industrial
living
and
the
goal
of
the
design
is
to
draw
from
the
surrounding
industrial
character,
while
creating
a
building
that
contributes
to
the
life
and
vitality
of
the
neighborhood
as
well.
H
The
other
fiber
cement
panels
are
two-tone,
two
colors
of
gray,
so
the
dark
gray
is
used
at
the
secondary
corners
to
provide
a
complement
to
the
rust
and
white
without
distracting
from
them.
In
some
contrast
as
well
and
the
light
gray
accent
panel
adds
variety
and
prevents
the
building
from
feeling
monolithic.
H
So
it
brings
down
the
mass
of
the
elevations,
something
we
paid
particular
that
we
looked
at
particularly
is
the
streetscape,
so
the
overall
design
of
the
streetscape
seeks
to
bring
the
building
down
to
more
of
a
human
scale,
so
we're
showing
defined
areas
on
the
building
exterior
for
commissioned
local
street
art
to
support
local
artists.
H
H
Shannon
talked
about
some
of
the
bonuses
that
we're
looking
for
and
one
of
those
bonuses
is
for
environmental
sustainability,
and
we
do
plan
for
the
project
to
achieve
a
recognized
green
standard.
We
have
not
identified
which
strategies
we're
going
to
do
to
achieve
that.
As
we
as
shannon
said,
we
need
a
little
bit
more
clear
definition
from
the
city
council.
What
would
qualify
for
those
bonuses
and
I
can
get
into
some
of
those
strategies
if
you
want
me
to,
but
I'm
excited
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
the
building
design.
G
G
Yeah
sorry,
this
is
the
other
applicant,
danny
perkins.
I
think,
in
addition
to
shanna's
requests
on
on
feedback
I'd
like
to
also,
if
you
guys,
can
give
some
some
some
ideas
and
feedback
on
the
public
art
the
streetscape,
which
we
think
is
kind
of
a
cool
opportunity
to
showcase
local
artists,
and
you
know,
keeping
them
refreshed,
and
maybe
it's
every
few
months
or
six
months,
putting
an
event
behind
it
and
then
makes
the
walk-up
units
on
second
and
how
you
guys
envision
those.
A
Thank
you,
commissioners,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
staff
or
the
applicant
regarding
this
item.
J
Yeah
this
is
commissioner
marwa.
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
to
the
public
art
piece
that
the
applicant
just
asked.
Can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay?
Yes,.
J
Okay,
great
I'm
having
a
little
connectivity
issues
per
usual.
Well,
I
was,
I
was
just
curious:
how
you're
planning
to
do
that
rotating
art
and
like
are
you
working
with
a
group
kind
of?
How
are
you
planning
to
find
the
artist
and
make
sure
that
they're
connected
to
the
community
just
to
want
to
know
what
your
thoughts
on
it
or,
if
you
want
any
thoughts
from
from
my
side
that
I
work
in
this
realm
to
some
degree
as
well.
G
Yeah,
I
think
the
idea
is
is
definitely
open.
You
know
we
initially
had
the
idea,
but
we
wanted
to
hear
you
guys
feedback.
I
think
we
would
definitely
look
for
a
local
organization
within
northeast
in
the
arts
district
to
help
execute
those
local
artists
and
take
those
ideas,
and
you
know,
help
help
execute
that.
But
I
would
love
to
hear
your
your
thoughts
as
well.
J
Great
yeah
I
mean
I
would
suggest
definitely
working
with
forecast
public
art
they're
based
in
st
paul.
I'm
sure
you
know
them
they've
been
doing
this
for
developments
around
the
twin
cities
and
around
the
country
and
world.
At
this
point
I
would,
I
would
you,
know,
frankly,
kind
of
consult
this
out
to
them
and
make
sure
that
they're
doing
they
have
a
great
due
diligence
process
on
it.
They
do
a
lot
of
kind
of
requests
for
proposals
from
artists
and
they
really
have
this
down
pat
now.
J
C
B
Wanted
to
talk
to
the
one
of
the
feedbacks
that
staff
had
asked
about
the
commercial
piece
of
this
building
and
I
generally
like
the
design
of
the
size
of
the
building
that
are
along
second
and
lowry,
so
that
corner
and
it
seems
to
me
that
it
lends
itself
very
well
to
any
commercial,
some
commercial
space,
at
least
on
lowry,
if
not
on
not
on
the
second,
but
on
lowry.
B
I
would
say
that
considering
what's
around
in
this
neighborhood,
I
personally
would
like
to
see
commercial
development
in
this
area,
because
it
seems
like
it's
a
bit
of
there's,
there's
definitely
room
in
this
area.
Let
me
put
it
that
way.
B
As
far
as
the
blank
walls
go
on
the
two
sides
I
would
like
to,
I
mean
I
see
that
there
are
the
two
blank
walls,
they're
very
large,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
if
they
have
given
it
some
thought
about,
maybe
a
different
design
of
of
the
material
in
that
side.
That
will
give
it
that
would
differentiate
it
and
make
it
not
so
monotone
that
you
can
see
the
blank
wall
there's.
H
G
Yeah,
I
think
we're
also
open.
You
know
maybe
wrapping
a
part
of
that
west
wall
with
maybe
a
mural
just
to
keep
the
kind
of
the
art
field,
maybe
going
a
little
bit,
because
it
is
a
long
space
and
I
think,
shannon
did
bring
up
a
good
point.
It
is,
it
is
pretty
blank
going
down
there
give
me
to
the
commercial
piece
I
mean
I
can
just
speak
real
quickly
on
it.
G
G
We
don't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
you
know
if
we
do
add
commercial
on
lowry
and
it
sits
vacant
for
years.
It
just
doesn't
help
create
that
active
use
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
so,
hence
why
we
initially
didn't
put
the
commercial
in
there
and
we
see
more
value
of
you
know,
creating
an
active
use
and
that
streetscape
and
and
having
having
that
density.
B
So
with
the
as
it
relates
to
the
you
said,
windows
providing
light
to
the
garage,
are
you
saying
that
the
rendering
that
we're
seeing
is
not
the
most
updated
then.
H
Regarding
those
blank
walls
and
as
danny
said,
I
agree
that
we
could
do
something
and
providing
a
clear
story
window
to
bring
some
light
in.
The
garage
is
always
something
that
that
we
can
do
definitely
so
that
was
just
one
of
our
ideas,
but
we're
open
to
more
ideas
as
well.
D
C
K
Okay,
very
weird,
I
can
hear
myself
twice
question
when
we
have
commercial
suggestion.
Does
that
include
like
office
space,
or
is
that
just
retail
shanna?
I
can't
remember
where
we
are
on
on
kind
of
interpreting
what
that
means.
F
Thank
you,
president
rockwell
for
the
question
so
because
of
the
quarter
mixed
use
designation,
we
would
say
that
commercial
zoning
is
appropriate,
but
it's
not
required.
So
then
we
look
more
towards
that
goods
and
services
corridor
language
which
is
intended
to
identify
where
commercial
uses
should
front.
So
in
this
case
you
know,
if
there
were
commercial,
we
would
expect
that
along
lowry,
not
a
long
second
and
then
in
addition
to
that
guidance,
a
mix
of
land
uses
found
there
would
include
it
says
commercial
uses
to
be
considered.
F
So,
just
very
generally
speaking
in
the
zoning
code,
you
know,
offices
would
fall
within
a
general
category
of
of
commercial,
so
it
could
be
considered
for
office.
F
We
have
had
some
early
conversation
kind
of
from
the
neighborhood
association
earlier
today
with
some
just
an
email
that
kind
of
was
going
around,
but
I
I
anticipate
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
more
feedback
from
the
neighborhood
soon
with
just
an
idea
of
of
having
some
non-residential
uses
in
this
development
as
well.
K
Yeah
I
mean
thanks
jenna,
I
I
think
in
response.
So
with
that
context
you
know
I
I
so
I
I
acknowledge
retail
is
is
uncertain
right
now
and
in
the
future.
I
think
that
having
mixes
of
uses,
however,
is
just
valuable
in
its
own
right
for
multiple
reasons.
K
Right
I
mean
I
think
we
for
for
commercial
uses
for
retail
uses
that
do
exist,
having
not
just
like
people
living
in
a
place,
but
people
living
and
working
in
a
place
creates
a
more
around-the-clock
environment,
and
I
understand
that
things
are
difficult
during
the
pandemic.
K
I
hope
you're
going
to
build
this
building
to
last
a
long
time,
and
if
you
do,
our
job
is
to
plan
not
just
for
the
moment
that
we're
in,
but
for
that
long
time,
and
so
you
know,
I
recognize
the
difficulties
folks
are
facing
right
now,
but
but
but
we
we
really
should
only
be
taking
that
into
consideration
on
sort
of
a
baseline
feasibility
level,
not
really
on
whether
it's
hard
to
do
so.
You
know,
I
think
there
is
there.
K
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
potential
commercial
uses
that
you
know
that
that
aren't
retail
can
you
have
a
you
know
a
dentist's
office
or
a
you
know:
real
estate,
agent's
office
or
whatever,
whatever
right,
I
mean
something
that
has
a
little
bit
of
a
store
up
front
presence.
That
brings
a
little
bit
of
activity
that
that
that
starts
to
or
that
kind
of
maintains
that
flow
of
people
in
a
more
round-the-clock
way.
So
I
think
that
I
just
wanted
to
weigh
in
on
on
that.
G
Rockwell
regarding
just
the
commercial
yeah,
if,
if
we,
if
we
went
away
from
the
traditional
commercial
space
and
how,
if
we
maybe
envision
the
walk-up
units
on
second
to
be
more
of
like
a
live
workspace
where
they
buried
an
entry
to
start,
you
know
a
business
for
local
entrepreneurs
or
even
artists,
would
would
that
suffice.
In
your
guys's
mind
from
a
long
term
perspective
of
looking
at
this
project.
K
You
know
I,
the
live
work
units
are
are
tough.
I
think
we've
seen
a
number
of
those
come
through
and
like
some
of
them
work
and
some
of
them,
when
I
walk
by
them,
are
just
units
that
have
the
blinds
down.
H
K
Down
because
they're
kind
of
set
up
to
be
more
commercial
and
the
people
who
are
in
there
actually
living
there
like
don't
wanna,
live
behind
a
storefront,
and
so
they
just
get
the
blinds
down,
and
so
I
would
be
you
know
we
saw
something
recently
and
of
course
I
can't
remember
where
the
project
was
but
where
they
had
something
structured
as
as
a
live
workspace
and
the
way
it
was
built
was
such
that
you
could
separate
out
the
retail
space.
K
It
was
like
a
you
know,
it
was
a
townhouse,
it
was
multiple
levels
and
you
could
separate
a
row.
You
know
from
whatever,
whatever
we'll
call
it
walk
up,
and
you
could
separate
out
that
ground
floor
so
that
if
the
person
who's
living
there
didn't
want
to
be
activating
that
space,
then
it
could
be.
You
know
you
effectively
could
like
partition
the
spaces
and
have
somebody
else
rent
it.
K
K
If
your
lobby
area
was
a
re,
was
like
a
commercial
space
that
could
connect
into
that
first
unit
or
like
or
didn't
have
to
connect
into
that
first
unit
to
have
some
flexibility,
maybe
you
have
somebody
who
wants
to
be
doing
something,
but
maybe
you
keep
the
flexibility
to
you
know
again
have
a
I
don't
know
whatever
the
office
space
is.
K
I
I
just
think
that
there's
you
know
there's
something
to
be
said
about
having
neighborhoods
that
are
not
kind
of
bedroom
communities
and
we
are
a
city,
and
I
also
recognize
that
you
know
if
we
tell
you,
you
gotta
have
a
cafe
there
like
that.
That's
not
realistic
right
right
now,
but
I
don't
know.
G
K
There's
room
to
be
creative
right,
I
think
there's
room
to
be
creative
and
and
I'm
not
trying
to
bring
kind
of
a
strong
arm
of
regulation.
But
I
do
think
you're.
You
know
you're
building
here
in
part
because
of
the
you
know
the
attractive
area
created
by
the
entities
along
lowry
avenue
along
2nd
avenue,
and
I
think
you
know
not
just
kind
of
taking
advantage
of
those
but
helping
build
that
as
well.
K
I
mean
you
are
building
it
by
bringing
people
in,
but
you
know
the
neighborhood
is
attractive,
not
because
it's
just
people
but
because
there's
like
cool
stuff
to
do
and
and
and
there
are
you
know,
there's
just
activity
they're.
You
know,
let's
keep
the
cafes
with
a
lunchtime
crowd
right.
I
mean
it's
all
that
stuff.
So.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
rockwell.
I
don't
see
any
other
comments,
so
I
guess
I'll
run
through
mine.
I
think
in
my
notes
here
I
have.
I
was
curious
about
how
you're
joining
the
vertical
and
horizontal
standing
seam
product.
It
seemed
in
the
rendering
like
it's,
you
know
perfect,
but
as
we
all
know,
computers
make
things
look
easy
and
it
looked
as
though
that
might
be
a
tricky
detail
and
I'm
wondering
what
that
will
end
up
resulting
in
as
a
detail.
So
I
just
just
a
call
out
to
pay
attention
to
that.
A
I
I
in
your
presentation
you
mentioned
that
it
kind
of
has
an
industrial
feel,
but
I
actually
don't
don't
really
feel
that
at
all.
I
don't
think
your
building
looks
industrial
like
using
some
core
10
on
the
corner,
doesn't
really
make
it
industrial
and
that
I
think
the
white
panel
cement
board
product
is
kind
of
distracting
and
and
the
seams
on
it
aren't
going
to
create
shadow
lines
they're
just
going
to
look
like
every
other
cement
board
panel
building
in
town.
I
I
think
you
need
to
do
something
with
that.
A
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
color
or
the
fact
that
the
top
lacks
any
sort
of
noticeable
cap,
so
it
just
feels,
but
I
think
that's
detracting
from
your
project
a
little
bit
a
note
that
I
hope
all
balconies,
whether
recessed
or
projecting,
are
at
least
five
feet
deep,
the
shed
awnings.
I
think
the
detail
will
make
or
break
whether
they
look
good
or
cheap
and
flimsy.
A
So
maybe
he's
pay
attention
that
I
think
the
blank
walls
are
a
concern
and
I'm
kind
of
over
murals
murals
are
kind
of
like
the
the
the
oh
they're
overdone
and
they're,
often
not
done
well
when
they're
just
being
done
to
satisfy
a
blank
wall
provision.
So
I'd
rather
see
the
windows,
something
more
architecturally
that
that
speaks
to
that
rather
than
just
murals.
A
As
for
the
streetscape
art,
that's
called
out
in
the
elevations
again,
I
hope
it's
more
engaging
and
interesting,
and
not
just
not
just
we
painted
a
few
walls
and
had
an
artist
do
it
and
then,
after
a
couple
years
it
petered
out.
So
I
think,
having
a
detailed
plan
for
that
is
important.
A
You're,
it's
hard
for
me
to
kind
of
weigh
in
on
cycling
review,
because
there's
no
site
plan
in
the
packet,
so
I
definitely
would
be
interested
in
seeing
what
the
site
plan
actually
looks
like
since
that's
one
of
the
applications
you're
asking
for
the
see
my
notes
here
on
the
live
work
unit
idea,
I
think
just
labeling
it
live
work,
isn't
gonna
cut
it.
A
I
think
the
project
sam
referenced-
if
I
recall
correctly,
they
almost
they
were
actually
like
two
two
story,
whether
it's
a
lofty
spacecraft,
but
it
was
actually
two-story
units.
So
they
could
have
a
retail
public
facing
place
on
this
on
the
access
point
and
then
a
livable
small
space
above
so
I
think
a
way
to
separate
that
would
be
key
if
you're
going
to
call
them
live
work,
otherwise
I
don't
think
it
really
counts
and
meets
the
goal
of
what
they're
trying
to
get
to.
A
Let's
see,
I
thought
I
had
a
couple
more
notes
here:
oh
and
shannon.
I
was
just
curious
about
the
material
percentages
and
where
we're
at
in
regard
to
that,
if
you
know.
F
A
That
would
be
great
because
at
some
point
it
just
looks
like
a
lot
of
cement
board
panel
and
it's
it's
kind
of
uninspiring
and,
as
you
know,
we
like
to
consider
buildings
of
this
3d
object
and-
and
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
it
seems
back
of
house,
so
I
would
just
say-
maybe
give
some
thought
to
that,
especially
the
finishing
details
on
how
it's
treated.
So
that
would
be
my
comments
in
that
regard.
I
see
no
other
additional
comments.
Shannon
did
we
get
all
your
questions
addressed.
E
A
Thank
you,
305
315
and
317
oak
grove
street
apartments
staff
is
hillary.
L
Can
you
guys
see
the
pdf?
We
see
a
site
plan
right
now:
okay,
an
aerial
view,
yeah
yeah.
I
should
say
that
sorry,
no,
that's,
okay!
It's
just
not
showing
up
on
my
screen,
which
is
strange.
Okay.
So
this
is
the
oak
grove
street
apartments
at
307
to
317
o
grove
street
on
the
aerial
photo.
You
can
see
the
project
highlighted
in
blue
there.
It's
currently
a
surface
parking
lot.
This
is
located
in
the
loring
park,
neighborhood
just
going
to
flip
to
a
couple
other
slides
here.
L
What
they
are
proposing
to
construct
is
a
new
six-story
62
unit,
residential
building
with
37
enclosed
parking
spaces
located
in
two
levels
of
below
ground
parking
access
to
that
enclosed
parking
is
off
of
a
grove
street,
as
there
is
no
alley
on
this
block
this.
L
There
will
be
a
mix
of
studio,
one
and
two
bedroom
units
in
the
building
and
they
will
comply
with
inclusionary
zoning
in
this
development.
On
the
ground
floor
of
the
building.
L
There
will
be
a
lobby
common
space
and
fitness
center
dwelling
units
occupy
the
first
through
sixth
floors,
then
there's
an
additional
common
space
located
on
the
sixth
floor
of
the
building,
with
a
rooftop
deck,
and
I'm
just
gonna
go
to
an
image
that
they
produced
for
this
sorry,
so
here's
kind
of
a
bird's
eye
view
of
the
of
the
site
you
can
see
up
here
here
is
that
sixth
floor
amenity
space
and
then
there
is
a
roof
deck
that
is
on
the
sixth
floor
and
then
goes
up
to
the
seventh
floor.
L
L
This
site
is
located
in
the
shoreland
overlay
district,
which
limits
the
height
of
of
all
buildings
to
two
and
a
half
stories
or
35
feet.
There
is
a
typo
in
part
of
this
report
or
the
memo
I
apologize.
The
overall
height
of
the
building
is
85
feet,
so
they
do
need
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
height
in
the
shoreland
overlay
and
I'll.
L
As
all
of
you
know,
the
built
form
overlay
district
text-
amendment
went
to
the
biz
committee
on
tuesday
will
go
to
full
council
next
friday,
and
so
the
memo
is
written
using
those
new
guidelines,
because
this
development
would
come
in
after
24
after
january.
First,
so
in
the
quarter,
four
built
form
overlay,
district
height
is
limited
to
four
stories
or
56
feet.
L
Again.
The
building
is
six
stories
or
85
feet
to
increase
height,
an
administrative
review
will
be
required,
they
can
qualify
for
two
or
they
will
need
to
provide
two
height
premiums
to
go
from
the
four
to
six
stories.
L
L
The
maximum
floor
area
ratio
in
the
corridor
four
belt
form
overlay
district
is
is
2.0
to
increase
that
in
the
built
form
overlay
chapter
one
needs
to
go
through
the
administrative
review.
This
site
will
qualify
for
three
administrative
premiums
at
a
0.4
value
each.
L
L
I
did
list
out
the
different
gross
floor
areas
of
the
buildings
at
the
2.0
and
the
3.2
and
then
at
their
3.49.
So
you
can
see
the
difference
in
the
memo
of
what
the
square
footages
of
the
building
are.
There's
a
difference
of
approximately
5
000
square
feet
from
the
3.2
to
3.49.
L
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
so
in
this
case.
In
the
front,
this
walkway
is
wider
than
what
would
be
allowed
and
the
walkway
that
leads
up
to
the
front
door
is
also
wider
than
what's
allowed
I'll.
Just
come
down
to
the
site
plan.
L
Sorry,
just
waiting
for
my
computer
to
catch
up,
so
here
you
can
see
you
know
the
the
staircase
and
these
staircases
need
a
variance
because
they're
too
wide
for
our
permitted
obstructions.
The
dog
run
then
also
needs
a
variance
for
permit
obstructions
these
ground
level.
Patios
would
require
a
variance
for
ground
level
obstructions
and
then
the
patios
in
this
area
for
that
are
adjacent
to
the
common
space
in
that
ground
floor
would
also
require
variances
of
their
yards.
L
And
then
what
we're
looking
for
feedback
on
is
just
wanting
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
far
of
the
building
and
the
need
for
the
variance
over
the
3.2
and
then
just
I'm
interested
in
your
thoughts
on
the
setback.
Requests
for
those
elements
of
the
development
that
don't
meet
our
permitted
obstructions,
size
requirements
or
allowances.
I
should
say
so.
That
is
all
that
I
have.
L
I
know
I
didn't
get
to
go
through
the
whole
packet,
but
the
applicants
are
here
and
I'll,
let
them
or
I
can
flip
for
them
or
if
they
want
to
add,
if
they
want
to
share
the
screen
or
take
over
the
screen
and
go
through
the
presentation
themselves,
they
can
so
katie
and
and
doug.
If
you
want
me
to
run
it
or
if
you
want
to
run
it.
Let
me
know,
and
then
I'll
just
be
here
for
questions.
M
M
When
it
gets
to
turn
it
and
run
through
the
project,
we'll
we'll
share
screen
something
between
slides,
perfect.
B
I
As
everybody
here
probably
knows,
this
is
a
site
currently
owned
by
the
women's
club,
which
we're
under
contract
to
purchase
we
haven't
yet
purchased,
were
in
escrow
with
a
closing
set
for
some
time
in
2021,
and
I
think
it's
a
obviously
a
great
location
in
a
nice
neighborhood,
we're
very
excited
to
work
with
the
women's
club.
Folks
they've
been
very
supportive
and
involved
in
the
process.
I
Our
goal
is
to
really
make
a
quality
building
here
that
contributes
to
the
neighborhood
and
is
built
for
the
long
term.
We
are
by
nature,
not
a
group
that
builds
things
and
sort
of
leases
them
up
and
sells
them
on
to
somebody
else
we're
long-term
holders.
So
we
care
a
lot
about
quality.
It's
one
reason:
we
hired
julie's
group
and
a
100
with
their
vision,
which
I'll
let
them
share,
but
just
want
everybody
to
to
kind
of
know.
I
Our
approach
is
to
build
something
really
high
quality
for
the
long
term,
add
to
the
neighborhood
and
also
help
out
the
women's
club
in
the
process.
N
N
I
just
wanted
to
add
on
that
we're
delighted
to
be
working
with
scott
and
jeff
because
of
the
the
vision
that
they
have
for
this
building
and
the
design
and
the
quality
that
they
invest
in
their
projects.
N
So
when
we
began
our
our
study,
we
did
a
good
amount
of
research
into
the
neighborhood
architectural
fabric
and
to
the
neighborhood
identity
and
found
the
citizens
for
loring
park
were
quite
explicit
in
their
master
plan
in
their
aspiration
for
their
community
being
minnesota's
greatest
gathering
place
and
minnesota's
best
urban
living
experience.
N
Excuse
me
so,
with
those
things
in
mind,
we
were
really
interested
in
creating
not
only
wonderful
units
and
a
wonderful
building,
that's
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood,
but
also
creating
a
social
experience
along
the
street.
So
I'll.
Let
doug
kind
of
walk
you
through
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
have
for
this
project.
M
Thanks
julie,
so
the
lauren
park
neighborhood
first,
I
want
to
start
out
saying
I'm
going
to
keep
it
relatively
short.
I
know
you've
all
looked
through
the
package
and
I
want
to
save
a
lot
of
time
for
questions.
M
But
to
start
with
our
general
approach,
the
lorien
park,
neighborhood
is
has
a
ton
of
history
behind
it
and
is
full
of
beautiful
historic
architecture,
including
just
the
general
residential
fabric,
to
some
of
the
beautiful
historic
churches
and,
at
the
same
time,
with
its
diversity
and
cultural
amenities
and
its
pivotal
location
in
the
city
is
a
huge
part
of
the
future
of
the
city,
and
for
that
reason
our
approach
has
been
to
be
extremely
sensitive
to
context,
but
in
a
way
that
is
forward
looking
in
and
contemporary
in
spirit.
M
So
I
want
to
start
by
talking
about
the
massing.
This
is
a
view
looking
along
the
south
side
of
oak
grove
street
and
our
building
is
located
here
at
six
stories.
It
matches
in
height
with
the
adjacent
oak
grove
condos
to
the
east,
and
we've
carved
a
terrace
into
the
sixth
floor,
so
that
the
building
steps
down
as
it
approaches
the
shorter
apartment,
building,
four-story
apartment
building
to
the
west.
M
M
Nicely
from
a
character
standpoint,
the
neighborhood
is
made
up
in
large
part
by
very
simple
brick.
Punched
opening
apartment
buildings
that
are
are
animated
with
ornamental
balconies
and
whose
social
life
is
really
informed
by
this
idea
of
the
stoop.
So
as
you
as
you
walk
along
the
neighborhood,
you
oftentimes
see
people
waiting
for
a
ride
or
chatting
with
a
neighbor
in
front
of
these
stoops.
M
So
this
is
an
abstract
diagram
of
the
building.
It
starts
with
the
idea
of
a
simple
masonry
volume
that
has
a
regular
pattern
of
windows
across
it
and
then
is
animated.
With
a
playful
composition
of
balconies
carved
into
that
masonry,
volume
are
two
outdoor
spaces.
One
is
a
sixth
floor,
terrace
that
looks
out
to
lauren
park
and
the
other
is
a
ground
floor.
Porch-Like
space
that
allows
residents
of
the
building
to
spill
out
from
the
common
spaces
and
interact
with
the
street
in
the.
M
M
That
is
meant
to
evoke
the
indiana
limestone
that
you
see
as
a
common
accent
material
in
many
of
the
neighborhood
buildings
and
also
as
a
primary
material
in
some
buildings
in
the
neighborhood,
and
then
that
that
masonry
material
is
complemented
by
a
bronze
toned
metal.
That's
used
for
the
balconies
and
for
some
of
these
metal
accent
areas
in
the
project
and
that
the
the
sort
of
tonality
of
that
those
bronze,
balconies
and
accent
areas
is
meant
to
draw
in
some
of
the
warmer
tones
of
the
surrounding
brick
in
the
neighborhood.
M
M
D
Yeah,
so,
in
regard
to
the
shoreline
overlay
ordinance,
you
know,
building
height
and
far
doesn't
affect
water
quality.
So
I
don't
think
you
know
those
are
particularly
important
to
it,
but
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
you've
done
anything
like
rain
gardens
or
other
things
that
actually
are
relevant
to
water
quality.
I
would
hope
to
see
a
higher
standard
for
that
in
proximity
to
bottom
piece
of
water.
M
Yeah
I
can.
I
can
speak
to
that.
One
of
the
one
of
the
premiums
that
we
would
be
looking
at
to
to
achieve
the
the
height
and
far
potential
increases
is
the
environmental
sustainability
ecological
premium
and
one
we're
early
enough
in
the
design
that
we
don't
have
this
fully
fully
developed.
A
All
right!
Well
then,
I
guess
I
can
ask
my
questions.
I
wanted
to
know
for
the
setbacks
to
the
to
the
interior
yards.
How
close
are
your
patios
to
the
to
the
different
side,
yard
and
rear
yard
setbacks.
M
So,
on
the
south
side,
we
have
a
there's
a
retaining
wall
about
a
15
foot
tall,
retaining
wall
before
you
get
up
to
kind
of
the
neck,
the
properties
on
the
next
level.
A
M
And
then,
on
the
east
side
of
the
property,
we
have
a
dog
run,
and
that
goes
all
the
way
to
the
property
line.
M
One
thing
we
did
want
to
point
out
with
the
dog
run
is
that
the
adjacent
building
the
adjacent
apartment
building
has
its
driveway
next
to
the
dog
run.
So
there's
another
approximately
12
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
dog
run
to
the
actual
building,
which
we
feel
like
helps
a
little
bit
as
opposed
to
the
dog
run
being
right
on
top
of
a
window
and
then
looking
to
the
looking
to
the
west
side,
where
we
have
these
resident
amenity
areas,
those
extend
to
the
property
line
as
currently
drawn.
A
M
There's
a
there's
a
retaining
wall
between
the
two,
so
that
would
be
the
that
would
be
the
the
buffer
as
currently
drawn.
The
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
point
out
is:
you
know,
we're
pretty
early
in
the
landscape
design
and
are
open
to
kind
of
tuning
some
of
these
things
and
and
widths
and
depths
in
order
to
get
this
to
to
work
well
for
the
neighborhood.
So.
A
Okay,
well,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
weigh
in
on
variances
right
now
identified
by
hillary
five,
six,
seven,
eight
in
a
little
bit
of
nine.
I
I
actually
think
all
of
those
are
acceptable
given
the
intended
use.
I
think
it's
in
keeping
with
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance,
and
I
feel
as
though
their
adjacencies
are
it's
just
common
sense
actually
to
to
require
them
to
be
smaller,
makes
them
unusable
and
also
creates
dead
space.
A
That's
it
benefits
no
one,
and
I
think
that
they
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
water
infiltration
features
in
the
green
spaces
between
sites.
I'm
not
concerned
about
that,
particularly
in
regard
to
the
front
of
the
building.
I
actually
want
to
applaud
the
design,
because
I
feel
as
though
it
feels
very
welcoming
and
community
focused
and
also
more
accessible
for
people
with
mobility
issues
in
terms
of
actually
being
able
to.
A
I
think
the
intent
again
isn't
is
so
people
don't
just
cover
the
front
of
a
building
with
a
really
wide
slab
of
concrete
and
then
create
a
really
dumb
space,
and
this
space
is
not
dumb.
It
says
a
lot,
and
so
I
feel
as
though
this
is
creating
layers
and
depths
and
opportunities
for
gathering
small
and
large.
I
can
even
see
in
the
rendering
it's
a
really
successful
rendering,
so
I
I
think
those
variants
just
make
sense
to
me.
A
The
only
thing
I
would
suggest
is
it
looks
as
though
the
balconies
at
my
own
pet
peeve
are
only
about
four
foot
deep,
and
I
would
I
would
ask
the
architects,
given
that
we
would
be
I'm
fine
with
having
the
patios
on
the
ground
level,
be
deeper
to
accommodate
growth,
even
in
the
side,
yard,
setback
and
step
back.
Would
you
would
you
be
open
to
also
having
at
least
a
five
foot
deep
dimension
to
the
balcony
so
that
way,
those
are
usable
spaces.
A
It
seems,
though,
that's
the
threshold
between
it
being
used
as
miscellaneous
bike
storage
versus
actual
people,
as,
I
would
say,
a
person
and
a
chair,
not
a
person
or
a
chair.
So
that's
that's
it.
I
do
want
to
say
the
material
palette
seems
really
nice
and
clean,
and
the
punched
openings.
The
fact
that
the
doors
and
windows
kind
of
have
a
same
rhythm
is
kind
of
refreshing
and
and
nice.
I
know
I'm
gonna
see
this
in
a
magazine
in
a
couple
years.
A
I
know
it
so
I
just
I
think
it's
a
great
project
all
the
way
around.
I
think
they've
managed
the
site
really
in
a
respectful
way
to
given
the
context
and
provided
opportunity
for
more
people
to
live
in
that
community,
but
in
a
welcoming
approachable
way.
So
I
I
support
that,
and
I
see
now
that
commissioner
rockwell
also
has
comments.
I
will
hand
over
the
floor
to
him.
K
Yeah,
very
very
brief.
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know:
a
lack
of
comments
is
not
because
of
disappearing
with
the
building.
I
think
this
is
a
really
nice
project.
I
think
it
feels
feels
good.
It
feels
appropriate.
I
think,
certainly
high
far
in
lauren
park
area
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
and
a
big
back
on
on.
Commissioner
lee
p
peers
comments
about
the
setbacks.
I
think
I
think
that
makes
sense.
K
So
I
I
appreciate
the
building
and
I
appreciate
bringing
a
a
more
distinctive
look,
simple
but
distinctive
to
the
architecture.
It's
it's
a
neighborhood
with
a
lot
of
important
architecture,
and
I
wish
we
saw
this
kind
of
stuff
more
broadly,
so
thank
you.
C
Yeah
just
quickly,
I
guess
I
agree
with
what
all
the
other
commissioners
have
said.
I
used
to
live
across
the
street
from
here,
so
I
think
this
is
some
something
that
we
don't
see
very
often
beautiful,
design
like
this.
So
I'm
excited
to
see
this
application.
A
L
You
both,
I
mean
you
once
one
or
all
of
you
commented
on
the
setbacks
and
the
far
so
those
were
the
two
areas
that
we
were
looking
for
feedback
on.
So
I
appreciate
that
fantastic.
O
O
A
O
Successful
great
thanks,
thank
you
all
for
excel.
We
have.
O
I
just
want
to
note
that
there
are
some
addendum
sheets
that
you
likely
received
from
the
applicant
and
from
some
public
comments,
excel's
proposing
an
86,
000
square
foot,
three-story
operation
center
with
office
in
training
space
on
an
eight-acre
site
at
the
intersection
of
marshall
and
san
anthony
parkway
at
the
northern
edge
of
the
city
in
an
industrial
part
of
northeast
minneapolis,
and
as
noted
in
the
memo
and
on
the
plan
sheets,
we
have
a
major
sewer
interceptor
line
running
near
marshall
street
north
northeast.
O
O
The
building
design
applicants
proposing
mainly
two
types
of
nichija
for
the
elevations,
and
there
is
a
precast
concrete
segment
on
the
rear
elevation.
The
main
entrance
pedestrian
entrance
is
at
the
south
end
of
the
building
and
then
I'll
show
in
a
different
another
slide.
The
outdoor
space
that's
proposed
at
the
back
of
the
building
the
site
design.
As
I
noted,
the
building
setback
from
marshall
approx
approximately
160
feet
because
of
that
sewer,
interceptor
line.
O
O
The
site
plan
shows
295
surface
parking
spaces,
the
maximum
allowed
for
an
off
85
000
square
foot
office
building
is
425
spaces,
but
the
applicant
notes
that
they
with
putting
the
parking
where
they
did
in
part
in
large
part,
was
because
of
that
sewer
interceptor
line,
but
then
also
trying
to
protect
the
trees
that
line
santa
parkway
closer
to
the
river.
O
I
think
the
applicant
can
speak
to
their
storm
water
management
plan
that
I
do
believe
goes
above
and
beyond
will
go
above
and
beyond
the
minimum
requirements
set
by
the
city
and
we'll
also
be
discussing,
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
to
the
commission's
feedback
on
this
30-foot
landscape
buffer
between
marshall
and
the
surface
parking
and
what?
O
If,
if
the
site
plan,
and
if
this
parking
plan
goes
forward,
as
you
see
here,
what
are
the
things
that
can
be
done
to
improve
the
site
plan
that
that
that
gets
built
all
right,
so
staff
is
looking
for
feedback
first,
I
note
this
intersection
at
st
anthony
parkway
and
marshall
is
highly
visible
and
I
have
a
just
here's
a
street
view
showing
the
site,
but
they
note
a
site
gateway,
and
I
just
we're
looking
for
feedback
on
what
what
the
commission
would
like
to
see
at
this
corner
as
part
of
alternative
compliance
to
have
parking
in
front
of
the
building.
O
I'm
just
threw
out
the
idea
of
public
art
or
something
that
would
help
help
soften
that
surface
parking.
But
if,
if,
if
commissioners
have
ideas,
I
know
I,
I
would
really
appreciate
it.
I'm
sure
the
applicant
would
as
well
okay
the
other
element
that
staff
would
like
feedback
on.
I'm
gonna
flip
it
one
slide.
Two
slides
back
is
marshall
street.
Northeast
I
mentioned
there
is
on
the
applicant's
property.
O
A
30-foot
green
space
proposed
and
the
applicant
is
has
been
receptive
to
working
with
stakeholders,
those
that
I
mentioned
hennepin
county
and
the
park
board
and
public
works
on
asking
what
we
would
like
to
see
in
that
area
there
is.
There
are
plans
by
hennepin
county
to
convert
marshall
from
four
lanes
to
two
lanes
from
lowry,
to
37th,
that
37th
being
north
of
the
property,
and
so
they
are
willing
to
plan
for
a
10-foot
wide
pedestrian
bike
trail
on
their
property.
O
O
With
this
new
drawing,
I
think,
have
done
a
better
job
of
breaking
up
that
blank
wall
by
either
if
this
is
a
type
of
glass
or
some
punched
openings
within
that
to
help
soften
and
not
just
have
a
a
smooth,
concrete
portion
but
but
to
to
address
that
up,
even
though
not
many
people
will
see
it.
O
O
Okay
and
commissioners,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
me
before?
I
turn
it
over
to
chris
and
gordon
with
rsp.
O
All
right
all
right,
chris,
I'm
gonna,
go
back
to
the
presentation
and
actually
I'm
gonna
get
the
one
that
you
sent
me
here.
O
B
O
Yeah,
just
just
chris,
just
let
me
know
where
you
want
me
to
go
and
I'll
get
there.
P
Okay
sounds
good
aaron
I'll,
introduce
myself,
I'm
chris
thompson
with
rsp
architects,
and
we
are
very
excited
that
you're
reviewing
this
project.
It's
been
an
exciting
project,
new
piece
for
excel
energy,
and
we
have
a
very
dynamic
site,
very
large
site
here
that
is
covered
on
two
sides
with
very
large
existing
green
space
and
canopy
that
does
extend
furthest
to
the
south.
Here.
P
P
Specifically,
I
think,
since
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
the
submission,
I'm
going
to
address
four
different
points
here
that
are
related
to
some
of
the
questions
that
aaron
wanted
to
get
feedback
on,
and
so
I
think
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
start
with
the
landscape
buffer,
section
aaron,
and
he
had.
He
had
shown
you
this
piece,
and
you
know
we're
fortunate,
where
we're
able
to
have
fairly
large
green
space
between
marshall
avenue
and
our
parking
space.
P
We
understand
that
the
parking
that's
occurring
for
this
site
is
does
not
meet
the
norm
and
that
we
have
some
very
unique
site
conditions
that
have
really
driven
the
location
of
the
building
and
and
thus
the
location
of
the
parking
so
we're
working
with
our
landscape
architecture
team
here
to
build
up
a
buffer
and
add
in
a
a
green
fence.
So
to
speak
with
with
a
hedge
there,
continuous
hedge
and
we'll
have
shade
trees
here,
25
feet
on
center
to
help
shield
that
parking
lot.
P
Also
in
this
boulevard,
we
will
have
that
bike
path.
Now
it'll
also
be
walking
or
sidewalk
space,
along
with
a
bike
path
about
10
feet
wide
and
that
will
based
on
what
well
it
will
be
used
for
the
local
community
and
you
know,
possibly
a
future
route
that
could
further
help
to
connect
this
part
of
the
city.
P
So
with
that,
that's
a
little
more
definition
on
the
landscape
buffer.
There.
P
We
have
been
having
discussion
about
the
sidewalk
located
north
of
our
driveway
on
marshall,
so
we've
provided
a
this
bike
path
and
trail
on
the
south
side
of
our
driveway,
which
is
right
in
the
middle
of
the
property
along
marshall,
and
we
have
decided
not
to
provide
a
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
the
driveway
because
of
concerns
with
public
safety
being
that
there's
an
existing
sioux
line,
railroad
that
runs
east
west
along
the
north
side
of
the
site,
and
currently
there
are
no
sidewalks
up
there
or
pedestrian
access.
P
So
we
met
with
the
public
works
department
in
hennepin
county
and
they
both
agreed
that
that
would
not
be
necessary
to
add
that
sidewalk
there
getting
to
another
one
of
aaron's
points
here:
the
west
elevation
of
the
building.
P
We
are
using
some
precast
panels
back
there
and
we
are
I'll
I'll
say
we're
early
in
the
design
here,
and
we
are
working
hard
to
try
and
break
up
this
piece
as
listed
in
the
requirements,
and
so
we
have
some
windows
running
along
the
second
floor
here
that
will
be
set
back
and
mimicking
that
form
we're
pulling
a
form
down
from
there.
P
That
will
be
indented
into
these
panels
and
we're
looking
to
use
a
darker
color
there
and
likely
we're
going
to
be
working
with
textures
there
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
really
offset
those
indentations
and
represent
this
rhythm
as
it
moves
along
the
facade
following
those
each
of
those
window.
Indents
we
have
reveals
that
will
travel
up
from
each
opening
at
the
top
and
bottom
to
try
and
break
up
the
the
top
and
bottom
you
know
of
that
that
large
rectangle.
P
So,
and
the
last
piece
is
the
parking
that
aaron
mentioned.
We
have
separated
the
parking
into
three
lots
and
in
an
effort
to
try
and
minimize
the
the
look
of
the
large
of
a
large
lot,
a
lot
to
the
rear
of
the
building
would
be
secured
parking
for
fleet
vehicles
and
the
other
two
would
be
for
visitors
and
employees.
P
In
the
front
we
will,
you
know,
along
with
regular
vehicles,
we'll
have
parking
for
electric
vehicles,
with
charging
stations
and,
along
with
the
bike
trail
that
we're
developing
out
front
here.
We
will
also
have
space
within
the
building
for
bike,
storage
and
changing
rooms
and
amenities
that
are
related
to
the
bike,
commuters
that
that
I'm
sure
will
have
with
this
facility
and
and
so
with
that
I'll
leave
some
time
for
comments
here.
Thank
you.
We
look
forward
to
all
comments
and
and
questions
that
you
have.
D
Thank
you
well
first,
I
just
wanted
to
want
to
acknowledge
that
excel
has
been
a
pretty
good
neighbor
in
this
neighborhood.
D
You
know
excel
leases.
The
excel
park
to
the
park
board
for
zero
dollars
excel,
contributed
the
land
for
the
said,
anthony
parkway
next
to
the
slide.
So
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
express
my
appreciation
for
that
that
you
know
historical
generosity,
but
I
I
gotta
say
I
I
really
really
hate
this.
D
The
the
parking
you
know
completely
enveloping
building
it
on
on
every
side
is,
is
so
suburban
and
I
think
it's
a
failure
of
our
existing
policies.
If,
if
this
type
of
thing
is
is
allowed,
I
hope
that
we
change
that.
So
I
I
have
a
number
of
questions.
My
first
one
is:
what
is
your
anticipated
peak
occupation
of
this
building?
How
many
people
would
you
expect
to
be
in
there
at
like
the
maximum
use.
D
Okay,
I
mean
that's
something
I'm
interested
in
knowing
just
you
know,
comparing
the
occupation
rate
to
the
amount
of
parking
that
you
feel
that
you
need
for
this.
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
you
are
making
some
accommodations
for
bike
commuters.
D
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
as
much
as
you
can
to
financially
incentivize
with
both
carrot
and
stick
to
reduce
the
amount
of
people
driving
in.
So
you
know
you
can
charge
for
the
parking
instead
of
giving
it
away
for
free.
You
can
subsidize
bus
passes.
You
know
all
number
of
things
that
that
you
could
do
if
you're
interested
in
that
you
can
reach
out
to
to
move
minnesota.
They
have
a
whole
program
around
that.
D
So
the
the
curb
cut
is
something
that
I'm
gonna,
I
believe
I'm
gonna
have
to
review
twice
both
here
and
then
at
the
park
board.
So
I
was
wondering
if,
if
both
the
applicant
and
staff
can
can
speak
to
the
to
that
request,.
O
Chris
well,
commissioner,
and
an
applicant
I
yeah,
cliff
swenson
has
been
involved
from
the
park
board
with
discussions.
The
initial
proposal
did
show
three
access
points.
Three
vehicle
access
points
that's
been
reduced
to
two
with
with
the
communication
with
the
stakeholders,
and
I
can
get
more
detailed
of
the
specifics.
P
Yes,
we
have
been
meeting
regularly
with
the
park
board
and,
yes,
they
are
on
board
with
that
entrance
on
to
saint
anthony
parkway
and
we've
also
had
regular
meetings
with
the
city
and
worked
closely
on
the
primary
entrance
on
marshall
and
that
there's
been
way
in
from
the
county
as
aaron
mentioned,
and
lots
of
discussion
about
that
entrance
as
well
being
a
three-story
office
building,
you
know
falling
under
a
typical
office
occupancy.
P
There
will
be
you
know
enough
people
here
in
this
building
that
it
will
have
a
large
entrance
there
on
marshall,
that
will
accommodate
turning
traffic
and
also
truck
traffic
in
and
out
of
the
site
that
we
have
worked
to
separate.
So
that's
the
the
exit
off
of
onto
saint
anthony
parkway
is
much
smaller
and
and
would
not
be
used
by
any
truck
or
delivery
vehicles.
P
D
I
you
brought
up
the
electric
vehicle
charging.
That
was
something
I
was
going
to
ask
about.
I
was
going
to
ask
you
know:
are
you
planning
to
create
more
demand
for
your
your
product,
essentially
by
promoting
that,
so
so
how
many
electric
vehicle
charges
are
you
planning
to
include
at
the
site.
P
At
the
moment,
we
have
two
of
them
that
we'll
be
providing,
and
you
know,
as
you
say,
with
excel
energy.
This
is
an
important
part
of
of
how
they
operate,
and
so
those
will
absolutely
be
included
and
also
to
answer
your
earlier
point.
They
do
have
a
bus
pass
program
that
they
use
for
their
employees
to
help
give
them
a
break
for
frequent
users.
P
So
we
you
know
across
the
site.
We
are
trying
to
do
some
environmental
and
sustainable
items,
and
certainly
energy
is
right
in
there
as
well.
So
how.
D
P
D
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
yeah!
I
guess
those
are
my.
Those
were
my
questions
and
I'll
just
reiterate.
So
I
I've
already
started
receiving
quite
a
few
emails
in
just
general
opposition
to
the
project
at
the
sierra
club
wrote
a
letter
today
about
it,
so
I
I
would
just
really
encourage
the
applicant
to
reduce
the
amount
of
parking
and,
if
you
can,
it
would
be
so
much
better
to
have
a
smaller
multi-story,
enclosed
garage
for
it,
instead
of
so
much
surface
parking
so
close
to
the
river.
A
A
I'll
I'll
start
on
mine,
then,
since
I
don't
see
any
others
right
now,
I
did
have
a
few
so
first
you're
the
10-foot
bike
headline
that
is
being
considered
for
the
front
yard.
Essentially
I'm
wondering
if
there's
is
it
a
combo
or
is
it?
Is
it
planned
to
be
dedicated
one
of
each?
Because
I
have
to
say
I
I'm
not
digging
these
bike,
slash
pedestrian
lanes
being
combined
they're,
just
kind
of
recipes
for
everyone
to
be
in
conflict
with
each
other.
A
So
I
guess
I
would
say
if
it's
I
would
like
to
see
it
dedicated.
Maybe
two
separate
things
with
some
planting
between
that
way.
People
can
actually
walk
without
bikes,
running
into
them
or
bikes.
People
can
bike
without
worrying
that
people
are
going
to
stumble
or
walk
into
their
way
as
they're
biking.
A
A
It
might
be
a
great
way
to
demonstrate
what
you
guys
do
by
providing
charging
stations
that
provide
energy
to
electric
vehicles,
so
it
just
seems
as
though
that
needs
to
be
increased
significantly,
especially
given
the
large
ask
for
the
parking
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
bus
routes
over
there.
Is
there
a
bus
that
stops
near
this
site.
A
P
It's
well,
I
think
it's
one
or
two
blocks
to
the
east
of
the
site
that
there's
a
bus
line
that
travels
there
and,
as
aaron
pointed
out
earlier
this,
this
is
zoned
industrial.
So
this
is
really
ahead.
As
you're
aware
this
is
a
very
heavy
industrial
area,
so.
A
And
then
the
topography
on
the
site,
I
was
looking
at
the
the
survey
and
it
looked
to
me
as
though,
where
the
south
parking
lot
is
it's
a
significant
grade.
Change
is
that
is,
am
I
reading
it
correct,
or
it
means
I'm
just
kind
of
seeing
it's
not
a
tiny
little
screen,
but
is
that
lower
lot
recess
then,
or
is
it
built
up
or
am
I
did?
I
miss
interpret
the
survey
or
what's
all
happening
with
the
grade
in
this
location,.
A
P
Yep,
as
are
the
others,
so
the
two
visitor
entrance
lots
there
are
at
grade
with
first
floor.
P
A
So
is
the
lot
is
the
building
kind
of
being
pushed
down
into
the
water?
Is
the?
Is
the
south
lot
being
pulled
up?
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
if
I'm
on,
if
I'm
driving
down
the
street
of
my
you
know,
because
it
didn't
look
in
the
survey
that
they
were
at
grade
necessary,
it
looked
like
the
site
went
significantly
south,
at
least
or
maybe
I
misinterpreted
the
survey,
but
at
a
glance.
A
P
It
is
it's
a
kind
of
a
dynamic
site.
The
building
is
on
the
high
point
of
the
site
and
it
drops
to
the
west
and,
as
you
go
to
the
south
portions
of
it
drop
down
in
the
southwest
corner,
the
site
will
also
be
largely
regraded
throughout
as
part
of
a
project
that
happens
before
this.
For
the
remediation
work,
that's
happening
there
to
prep
the
site
under
a
completely
different
project.
So,
okay,
so.
P
It's
pretty
close
it
right
now.
It's
deceiving
because
when
you
drive
past
it
it
seems
much
steeper.
As
you
can
see
there,
those
are
actually
berms
that
are
existing
there
from
fly
ash
storage
that
was
done
quite
a
while
ago,
and
all
of
that
fly
ash
and
all
of
those
berms
are
being
scraped
away,
so
they
will
be
gone
and
then
we
will
be
graded
it.
It
will
not
be
a
noticeable
step
up
or
step
down.
A
Okay
and
then
how
commissioner
meyer
kind
of
touched
on
this
a
little
bit,
but
was
structured
parking
examined
as
an
option,
or
was
it
just
kind
of
presumed
that
it
would
all
be
surf
and
what
made
the
decision
to
be?
Have
three
surface
lots,
as
opposed
to
one
thing
of
enclosed
parking.
P
Q
Hey
chris,
this
is
gordon
strom.
Yes,
maybe
I
could
comment
on
that.
A
little
bit,
one
thing
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
parking-
and
I
don't
know
aaron
if
we
have
the
detailed
landscape
design
but
we're
trying
to
break
up
the
parking
as
much
as
possible
into
separate
islands
and
there's
going
to
be
spring
gardens
in
there
and
we're
trying
to
you
know
minimize
the
large
surface
area.
Q
So
that
is
one
part
of
the
design
that
we're
trying
to
follow
to
minimize
it
plus
hide
it
from
marshall
and,
like
chris
said,
there's
where
it
drops
off
to
the
west.
It's
really
not
buildable,
so
it
kind
of
forces
to
put
the
building
where
it
is
right
now
and
then
we
knew
there
was
going
to
be
a
lot
of
parking
so
we're
trying
to
break
it
up
into
smaller
pieces
as
much
as
possible
and
hide
the
pieces.
A
Interesting
well,
yeah.
I
guess
I
was
looking
at
when
I
looked
at
the
site
plan.
It
looked
as
though
you
could
have
maybe
picked
the
back
lot
or
the
north
north
of
the
building
as
a
location
for
parking
and
gotten
rid
of
it
in
the
front,
but
it
I
don't
just
it
did
it.
I
don't
think
it's
being
it's
very
successful
at
hiding
it.
I
think
that
it
doesn't
look
that
much
different
than
a
target
parking
lot.
You
know
with
you
know.
A
We
have
tree
islands
and
you
know
there's
little
planters
that
are
kind
of
from
the
street,
but
everyone
can
see
an
ocean
of
of
cert
concrete.
So
I
I'm
just
I'm
not
sure
it's
very
successful.
So
I
don't
know.
I
do
appreciate
the
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
patio
or
a
terrace
for
the
I
assume
for
the
workers.
I
think
that's
nice
and
I
one
of
my
questions
was
this
almost
has
a
feel
of
like
a
camp
like
a
corporate
campus,
and
I
know
you
have
an
existing
retention
pond
in
the
northwest
corner.
A
So
I
was
kind
of
just
wondering:
are
there
going
to
be
walking
trails
and
opportunities
for
the
staff
or
or
whoever
to
kind
of
just
get
out
and
and
exercise,
and
you
know
be
healthy,
or
is
that
just
going
to
be
a
neglected
body
of
water
in
the
corner
and
and
whatever.
Q
Chris,
I
can
comment
on
that.
You
know
we
are
going
to
connect
up
to
the
sinati,
parkway
walk
pass
and
then
they'll
also
be
internal
walking
paths
too.
We
just
discussed
that
with
the
landscape
architects
a
couple
days
ago,
so,
yes,
we
were
planning
on
that.
A
Oh
good,
okay,
so
because
I
like
to
see
the
sites
at
least
being
maximized,
I
mean
you
have
this
natural,
beautiful
location
and
for
being
industrial.
It's
really
a
beautiful
opportunity.
A
I'd
be
nice
to
make
sure
you're
maximizing
that,
and
oh
one
of
my
notes,
going
back
was:
will
the
dead
now
the
bike
lane
that
I
was
fetching
about
earlier,
be
able
to
connect
to
the
to
the
bike
paths
that
are
closer
to
the
river
at
all
or
protected
future
ones
or
whatever,
just
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
we're
giving
people
opportunity,
and
then
I
had
you.
I
think
somebody
mentioned
the
rear
a
lot,
so
the
west
was
mainly
for
a
fleet
of
vehicles.
A
And
is
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
though,
so,
if
that's
going
to
be
out
on
the
surface
lot,
are
we
going
to
be
seeing
the
addition
of
a
fence
around
that,
or
is
it
still
going
to
be
just
open
to
nature
unhindered.
Q
Q
Okay,
I
wanted
to
make
another
point
on
the
bike
lane.
When
we
talk
to
hennepin
county
on
marshall,
avenue
they're
going
to
lose
stripe
this
next
year,
marshall,
and
that
re-striping
will
have
a
bike
lane
in
it,
but
I
think
in
the
future
they
eventually
want
to
connect
this
up
to
some
ground
run
the
grand
rounds,
but
it's
all
hinged
on
they
have
to
redo
the
railroad
bridge.
Q
You
can't
get
underneath
that,
so
it
is
really
kind
of
a
future
future
project,
but
I
think
excel
is
looking
to
help
out
in
any
way.
A
Super
and
then
I
just
have
two
more
kind
of
question
comments.
One
was
about
the
aaron,
had
a
question
about
that
view.
Corridor
and
public
art
possibility
whatever,
and
I
I
guess
I
just
would
hope
that
it
could
almost
be
a
like
a
clean
energy
demonstration
area,
whether
it's
demonstrating
technology
or
whether
it's
art
demonstrating
that
I
mean
it's
pretty
sad,
that
a
hyvee
parking
lot
has
something
a
little
spinner
that
everyone
knows
now
and
kids
seem
to
find
really
fun.
But
we
don't
have
any
fun
examples
of
that
else.
We're
really
in
the
city.
A
A
So
I
I'm
going
to
encourage
that
for
for
that,
and-
and
actually
I
would
say,
maybe
at
different
places
throughout
the
site-
I
mean,
if
we're
trying
to
break
up
and
and
have
a
the
parking
lot,
not
read
like
a
normal
parking
lot
with
normal
tree
islands,
maybe
maybe
make
it
feel
more.
Like
a
you
know,
a
really,
you
know
excels,
trying
to
find
ways
to
be
more
green
and
you're
in
this
green
environment.
It'd
be
nice
to
be
a
demonstration.
A
I
actually
found
the
rendering
of
it
to
be
really
striking
and-
and
I
was
kind
of
just
bummed-
to
find
that
it
was
windows
just
at
the
top
and
not
just
you
know-
vertical
glazing
of
some
sort
through
the
whole
thing.
So
I
don't
know
what's
happening
on
the
ground
floor
we
can't
have
windows,
but
I
actually
kind
of
wish
that
was
the
front
of
the
building,
because
it
kind
of
has
a
nice
like
if
those
were
windows.
I
think
that
just
kind
of
has
a
nice
balanced
effect.
A
It's
really
I
like
the
design
and
proportions
of
it
if
those
were
windows,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
like
maybe
maybe
you
know
consider
I
don't
know
you
might
probably
redesign
your
building,
but
I
think
that
that's
actually
very
striking
as
a
as
a
design,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
actually
maybe
try
to
get.
I
don't
know
what's
happening
on
that
ground
floor
or
you
can't
have
windows.
So
I
guess
I'm
curious
what's
happening
and
then
it
would
encourage
windows.
P
I
can
take
that
gordon
it's.
I
would
agree
with
you.
However,
on
the
first
floor
we
do
have
xl
has
some
sensitive
departments
there
and
that
require
additional
security,
so
we're
we
won't
have
windows
in
those
spaces.
P
For
that
reason,
so
we
have
really
tried
to
all
like
windows
in
all
spaces
right,
so
we've
tried
to
kind
of
place
that
in
the
back
side
of
the
building,
where
people
won't
see
that
so
to
speak,
and
then
we
accentuate
the
windows
on
the
second
floor,
to
try
and
activate
that
that
wall
as
well
and
break
it
up.
So
that's
the
reasoning
behind
it.
A
I
think
you're,
whether
it's
through
texture
or,
I
would
actually
say,
encourage
a
darker
material
on
the
inset
portion,
giving
it
a
recess.
So
it
has
the
shadow
the
same
shadow
on
the
same
depth
as
the
window
above
would
be
helpful,
and
is
it
possible
aaron
to
see
the
front,
rendering
real,
quick
of
the
building
and
and
yes,
commissioner,
smiley
I'll
I'll
hand
it
over
in
just
a
second
yeah.
A
I
kind
of
wish
that
your
your
brick
portion
was
that
same
design
and
stuff
as
the
back,
but
with
windows
like
with
those
vertical
elements,
because
it
just
it's
so
striking-
and
this
just
seems
so
like
this
could
be
anywhere,
but
that
seemed
a
little
more
polished.
So
that's
my
little
two
cents,
I'm
gonna
hand
this
over
to
commissioner
smiley
and
then
commissioner
olson.
C
Thank
you
just
quickly.
I
mean
I
agree
with
the
commissioners
who
spoke
already,
particularly
about
the
parking.
So
I
guess
you
know
when
you
come
back
to
us
wherever
you
land
on
the
parking,
it
would
be
helpful
to
just
have,
you
know,
lay
out
the
numbers
for
us,
so
we
could
see
you
know
those
peak
numbers
and
how
that
compares
to
the
parking
and
the
fleet
vehicles
and
everything
like
that,
so
that
we
can
have
a
good
understanding
of
what
we're
being
asked
to
consider.
L
D
Sorry,
yes,
first,
I
would
just
like
to
enthusiastically
second
your
suggestion
about
clean
energy.
D
You
know
inspired
space
around
around
your
project.
Commissioner
smiley
had
to
leave,
but
I
think
one
thing
that
she
would
probably
like
to
see
is
to
have
your
roof
space
well
used
in
the
diagram.
So
far,
there's
nothing
on
that.
So
that
seems
to
me
like
an
opportunity
to
demonstrate
some
solar
energy
or
or
green
space,
or
something
else
there
and
then
one
other
suggestion
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
in
regard
to
the
parking
I
mean
first
it'd
be
really
nice
to
have
it
structured.
D
I
think,
in
the
back
or
on
the
north
side
would
make
sense
for
it
and
maybe
move
the
building
closer
to
marshall.
I
know
you
have
that
sewer,
but
still
seems
like
there's
space
to
move
it
closer
to
the
street.
D
The
last
suggestion
I
wanted
to
make
is
just
you
know:
one
thing
you
could
do
if
you're,
if
you're
not
going
to
do
structured
parking,
for
whatever
reason
is
you
could
you
know
grade
the
soil
appropriately
so
that
you
could
build
more
parking
in
the
future
if
the
demand
actually
materialized
to
the
levels
that
you
think,
but
I
would
start
out
by
building.
R
R
We
also
have
a
series
of
fleet
vehicles,
smaller
suv
type
vehicles,
for
for
some
employees
that
would
be
working
at
this
building
whose
vehicles
would
stay
on
site
overnight
and
they'd
be
bringing
their
personal
car
to
and
from
work.
So
we
require
a
little
more
more
extra
parking
for
for
that
purpose,
and
then
we
also
have
24
7
operations
in
this
facility.
R
So
there
is
some
shift
change
in
overlap,
so
we
would,
we
would
need
to
make
sure
we're
accommodating
for
that,
so
that
would
that
was
that's
some
of
the
the
reason
why
why
you
see
so
much
parking
and
then
also
the
reasoning
we
as
has
been
mentioned,
we
can't
build
over
that
interceptor
line.
We
have
to
leave
some
clearances
for
for
those
that
easement,
which
makes
it
difficult
to
relocate
the
building
further
to
the
to
the
east
and
then
to
the
west.
R
As
we
mentioned,
it's
a
little
bit,
it's
a
little
bit
harder
for,
or
it's
been
discovered
that
we
can't
really
build
structurally
on
the
the
soil
conditions
to
the
west,
which
makes
it
hard
to
put
a
parking
structure
there,
certainly
something
we
can
try
to
look
into,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
I
touched
on
that
and
as
as
it
related
to
the
ev
charging
stations,
we're
currently
implementing
ev
charging
stations
at
a
majority
of
our
facilities.
R
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Rockwell.
K
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
touch
base
quickly.
You
know
I
I
I
do
think
bringing
up
the
parking
bus
has
come
up
a
number
of
times
over
over
time,
and
something
that
strikes
me
from
the
gentleman
just
spoke
is
that
a
a
set
of
scenarios
that
that
that
you
identify
that
drive
your
parking
demand
are
actually
a
place
where,
where
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
reduce
car
travel
right,
which
is
if
you're
bringing
folks
in
from
other
facilities,
then
excel
has
an
opportunity.
K
If
you
bring
people
kind
of
on
mass
to
provide
transportation
from
facility
to
facility,
you
know,
excel's
got
a
major
office
space,
whereas
I
would
assume
some
folks
will
be
coming
for
presentations
and
so
on.
At
the
you
know,
corner
of
the
green
line
and-
and
I
I
have
absolutely
no
idea
how
many
bus
buses
and
I
work
as
a
transit
advocate-
I
mean
so
many
buses
at
nicolette
mark
ii
in
downtown
minneapolis,
and
so
you
know
I,
I
assume
a
number
of
folks.
K
There
don't
drive
their
cars
if
they're
expected
to
be
moving
around
from
facility
to
facility
having
kind
of
a
perverse
incentive
to
bring
a
car
in
order
to
get
to
a
meeting.
Another
facility
seems
well
perverse,
so
I
would
encourage
excel
to
think
about
how
it
can
move
its
employees
without
generating
that
extra
surface
parking,
because
it
just
it
presents
a
massive
opportunity
that
you
could
show
kind
of
being
a
leader
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
that
comment.
A
A
For
example,
I
do
actually
feel
afterward
and
knowing
that
there's
training
where
people
I
mean,
I
go
to
continuing
education
at
different
facilities
that
offered
for
architects,
and
I
almost
feel
like
it
almost
really
is
telling
of
supporting
that.
You
know
having
the
various
places
around
there
as
being
demonstrations
demonstration,
either
technology
demonstration
things
or
artwork.
It's
something
it
just
seems.
A
Like
I
mean
a
dad
was
an
engineer
and
it
probably
is
the
sort
of
thing
he
would
have
dragged
us
to
his
children
to
wander
around
on
a
saturday
and
explain
everything
about
it
to
us,
so
it
just
seems
his
own
opportunity
to
inspire
young
minds
and
and
also
to
engage
with
people
about
what
you're
doing
I
do
think
four
chargers
are
is
really
light.
I
think
you
can
check
with
your
other
corporate.
You
know
it's
a
corporate
campus.
A
You
can
check
with
other
corporate
campuses
around
the
metro
and
see
that
their
four
is
just
I
mean
even
target
stores
have
more
than
four
these
days.
So
I
would
say
for
what
you
guys
do
and
for
what
you're
asking
for
parking
it
seems
as
though,
maybe
you
need
to
get
ahead
of
it.
A
It's
almost
if
people
are
gonna
drive
drive
vehicles
that
are
more
sustainable,
it
would
be
a
way
to
incentivize
that
almost
knowing
that
they
could
get
their
car
charged
a
lot
work
and
not
have
to
constantly
try
to
see
if
the
stalls
open
or
not,
which
is
from
what
I
hear
is
the
case
at
many
corporate
campuses
that
don't
put
in
enough
chargers
and
and
making
them
accessible
to
everyone
and
not
just
the
executive
parking
area.
A
So
I
would
just
reiterate
those
two
points
that
parking
seems
to
be
the
biggest
sticking
point,
and
so
I
would
say,
maybe
make
some
big
efforts
related
to
the
environment
tied
into
parking
to
counteract
that
errand.
Did
you
get
your
questions
answered?
Do
you
have
anything
else?
You
wanted
us
to
touch
on.
O
Commissioner
loopkeep
here
you
summed
it
up
exactly
what
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
ended
on
and
talked
about,
but
just
the
the
discussion
points,
I'm
glad
that
that
chad
is
here,
but
the
discussions
about
solar
stone,
water,
electric
vehicles,
bird,
safe
glass,
I'll
just
excel,
hopefully
being
a
leader
in
seeing
these
things.
Chris
thompson,
I
know,
has
mentioned
the
elements,
some
of
those
public
art
things
that
they're
looking
to
incorporate.
But
I
I
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
development
team
and-
and
hopefully
they
can
bullet
point
all
the
things.
O
A
All
right,
commissioners,
this
brings
us
to
our
extra
agenda
item
item
number
eight
commissioner
meyer
had
had
a
request
regarding
minutes
for
a
planning
commission
meeting
that
we
had
previously
occurred.
Chris,
would
you
like
to
kick
off
that
discussion?
Yeah.
D
Absolutely
so
you
know
I,
I
went
back
to
the
minutes
to
look
up
the
votes
on
the
minimum
lot
size
requirement
amendment,
which
was
you
know,
I
presented
more
than
one
of
them
and
they're
not
documented.
I
mean
that
that's
not
for
the
minutes
that
were
up
for
about
at
the
last
meeting,
but
there
were
other
votes
in
that
one
that
weren't
documented,
and
so
I
asked
staff
about
it,
and
I
I
guess
the
practice
has
been
that
they
don't
document
votes
that
fail.
D
They
only
document
things
that
pass,
which
that's
certainly
not
how
the
park
board
or
other
organizations
that
I've
been
involved
in
do
things
and
I
think
the
votes
that
fail
are
often
some
of
the
most
interesting
ones.
You
know
the
contested
votes
are
the
ones
where
you
really
where
I
feel
the
public
should
really
know
how
people
voted,
and
I
don't
think
that
they
should
have
to
go
back
and
watch
hours
of
videos
to
be
able
to
find
that.
I
think
that
should
be
the
the
function
of
our
minutes
to
document
that.
D
So
I
I
just
would
like
us
to
start
documenting
at
a
minimum.
Every
contested
vote
that
we
take.
A
Kimberly
would
you
mind
touching
up
giving
us?
I
guess,
because
I
don't
know
if
any
clerks
are
on
the
call
right
now
to
kind
of
update
us
on
staff
perspective
regarding
this.
S
So
we
try
to
maintain
consistency
with
the
way
that
the
boards
and
commissions
and
the
council
committees
work
city-wide.
We
are
one
group
that
is
not
staffed
by
the
clerk's
office.
Currently,
however,
we
are
going
to
have
some
changes
coming
up
with
that
starting
in
january
2021.
A
Thank
you
kimberly
yeah,
I
am
chris.
I
I
personally,
I
see
why,
as
somebody
who's
been
a
secretary
on
boards
and
commission
so
far,
I
can
see
this
appeal.
I
also
know
that
in
the
past,
when
I
would
take
super
super
super
detailed
minutes
for
like
my
neighborhood
housing
committee
and
whatnot,
it
seemed
as
though
the
it's
not
even
just
the
vote,
that
you
know
that
would
explain
things.
It's
almost.
A
That
would
almost
maybe
be
misleading,
because
people
don't
understand
why
somebody
voted
against
something
or
for
something
but
more
the
rationale
behind
it.
So
I
mean
on
one
hand
I
your
what
you
argue
makes
complete
sense
and,
on
the
other
hand,
lacking
context.
It
almost
sets
up
a
weird
narrative
of.
Why
did
they
vote
no
and
assumptions
rather
than
having
to
listen
to
the
hearing
where
you
kind
of
can
understand
the
conversation?
A
So
I
guess
I'm
I'm
fine
waiting
till
january
when
the
clerks
make
their
recommendations
for
how
they're
going
to
proceed
with
the
commission,
but
I
think
you
raised
an
interesting
point.
Does
anybody
else
have
a
question
or
comment,
commissioner?
Marwa.
J
Sorry,
yes,
I
can
say
it
on
the
record.
I
think
that
that
makes
sense
to
me
and
thank
you,
commissioner
meyer,
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention.
I
sometimes
have
to
check
wedge,
live
to
see
how
the
vote
went.
D
E
D
D
So
you
know,
commissioner,
point
is
as
well
taken
about
about
the
context
of
things
and
you
know
if
if
people
have
the
time
to
spend
hours
to
get
the
full
context,
that
is
the
better
way,
but
I
feel
that
the
minutes
should
be
the
more
efficient
way
for
people
who
don't
have
that
time
to
get
just
the
the
fundamental
information.
D
And
you
know
if
we
want
to
add
you
know
more
about
what
rationale
was
stated
when
people
made
their
votes,
I
mean
that
is
something
that
I
know
some
organizations
do,
but
it
makes
it
more
work
intensive
for
the
staff
and
makes
it
challenging
for
them
to
decide
what
to
include
and
what
not
to
include,
I
think,
that's
very
difficult
for
them
to
do,
but
they
should
be
able
to.
A
Yeah,
I
agree,
commissioner,
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
bizarre
way
to
try
and
draw
the
line,
and
I
do
concur
that
it
would
be
much
more
reliable
for
people
to
get
their
facts
from
actual
minutes
and
not
bloggers.
I
I
do
think
maybe
it
might
be
relevant
just
as
a
something
to
suggest
to
the
clerks
in
their
consideration
or
discussion
is
just
maybe
when
listing
the
motions,
maybe
just
provide
the
time
stamp
almost
on
the
video
that
they
can
go
back
to
that
way.
People
didn't
want
to
get
context.
A
It's
you
know,
especially
when
we
have
five
hour
long
meetings,
it'd
be
good
to
know
that
it
happened
at
you
know,
hour
to
47
minutes
into
it
or
whatever.
So
I
I
just
want
to
say,
there's
probably
more
than
one
way
to
do
it
at
night.
I
hope
the
clerks
are
and
they
are
going
to
share
their
expertise
and
weigh
in
on
the
best
efficient
way
to
do
it
that
actually
provides
transparency
and
information
to
the
population.
K
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
I
would
be
wary
of
putting
too
much
information
into
the
minutes
just
because
I
think
it
one
sort
of
a
burden
to
keep
track
of
during
the
meeting
and
two,
I
think
thinking
of
the
minutes
as
a
as
kind
of
a
table
of
contents,
for
the
fact
that
the
video
you
know
the
meetings
are
recorded.
So
I
think,
recording
the
votes
makes
sense
to
me.
I
think,
getting
into
too
much
more
detail.
Doesn't
I
have
searched
for
things
in
our
videos,
and
you
know
one
word,
city
hall.
K
The
banner
always
reads
what
agenda
item
we're
on
under
the
banner,
and
you
know
the
votes
happen
towards
the
end
of
the
that
section,
and
so
it's
actually
pretty
easy
to
find
things
when
you
dig
up
the
video
but
but
I
do
think
pulling
out
those
votes
matters
you
know,
and
I
think
I
think,
as
we
think
about
what
our
goals
are.
K
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
sort
of
how
we
keep
track
of
some
of
this
stuff
influences
a
little
bit
sort
of
how
political
the
body
is
seen
or
not
seen
how
we
are
seeing
as
a
group
of
individuals
or
how
we're
seen
as
a
body,
I'm
not
passing
any
judgment,
one
way
or
another.
You
know
we
are
a
sort
of
funny
organization.
We
have
a
number
of
folks
who
are
elected
officials
on
the
body.
K
We
have
a
number
of
folks
who
you
know
are
practicing
in
the
fields
of
design,
development,
etc,
and
so
I
just
want
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we.
K
As
we
think
about
how
we
kind
of
frame
the
pos
frame,
the
commission
publicly
that
we,
you
know
that
there
are
sort
of
implications
on
on
how
political
or
apolitical
we
are
as
a
as
a
body.
So
that's
all
I
got.
A
Comments
and
commissioner
meyer
either
you
froze
okay,
get
there
now
all
right.
Well,
I
don't
see
any
further
comments.
Would
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.
D
Can
we
get
an
update
from
if
kimberly
is
still
here
about
what
passed
on
tuesday
in
the
council.
S
S
There
were
a
number
that
weren't.
I
can't
remember
how
many
total
changes
were
made,
but
the
most
concise
way
to
see
it
is
to
really
go
into
the
limbs:
actions,
jason
and
janelle,
and
the
rest
of
the
code.
S
Development
team
are
still
working
furiously
to
get
the
final
version
of
the
text
prepared
to
submit
to
the
clerk's
office
in
time
for
full
city
council
next
friday,
but
built
form
did
pass
like
I
said
with
it
was
you
know,
I
think
maybe
20
minutes
or
so
of
discussion
and
the
amendments
that
were
up
on
the
screen,
weren't
necessarily
easy
to
follow.
So
just
to
save
time
here
tonight
you
don't
need
to
listen
to
me.
S
Talk
for
20
minutes
about
what
all
the
changes
were,
but
I'd
just
direct
you
to
go
into
limbs
for
the
summary
of
tuesday's
meeting
and
you
can
see
line
by
line
what
the
changes
were.
S
They
did
not.
I
think
there
were
three
different
council
members
who
were
involved
in
making
motions
and
changes
to
the
work
that
was
done
by
this
group
and
a
huge
thank
you
from
council
members
trader
to
the
planning
commission
for
all
the
work
that
you
did
and
all
the
hours
and
hours
that
were
spent
reviewing
the
built
form
regulations.
S
So
I
know
he's
not
here
tonight,
but
he
did
express
his
sincere
thanks
on
the
record
on
tuesday
as
well
as
do
I
because
it
was
a
huge
lift.
So
what.
A
I'm
hearing
is
our
eight
hours
of
dedication
allowed
them
to
to
really
expedite
it
in
20
minutes.
So
I
our
our
hard
work
and
heavy
lifting
and
lack
of
seeing
our
family,
so
good,
good.
S
Job,
I
think
there
were
hours
and
hours
of
meetings
outside
of
that
meeting
for
them
to
understand
explanations
and
there's
also
a
full
subcommittee
of
the
council
that
met
every
monday
for
several
months
to
go
over
all
of
the
work.
So.
A
Okay,
any
anything
else,
commissioners.
A
A
Commissioner
caprina
had
to
leave
commissioner
smiley
had
to
leave
commissioner
marwah
hi.
Commissioner
meyer
hi
you're,
not
abstaining.
Commissioner
olsen
hi,
commissioner
schrader
commissioner
sweesy
aye.
That
motion
passes
unanimously.
Congratulations,
everybody
good
meeting.