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From YouTube: May 19, 2020 Heritage Preservation Commission
Description
Minneapolis Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/
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So
our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
the
meeting
we'll
work
off
the
agenda
that
was
available
online.
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
which
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting
which
items
will
be
discussed.
What
items
we
put
on
a
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion.
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Okay.
Wonderful!
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Oh,
so
that's
seven.
Thank
you
yep!
Thank
you.
The
agenda
is
approved.
Our
next
order
of
business
will
be
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
may
19th
2020
meeting.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
approve?
Oh
sorry,
for
a
may
5th
2020
meeting.
Oh
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes.
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B
The
process
for
the
public
hearing
is
as
follows.
First,
we
will
act
on
items
to
be
withdrawn.
Then
we
will
act
on
items
to
be
continued.
Then
we
will
act
on
the
consent
agenda.
We
just
set
which
there
are
no
items
once
items
on
the
gender
are
approved,
we
don't
have
any
then
we
will
take
each
remaining
agenda
item
in
order.
First,
the
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
the
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
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After
that
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
we
will
invite
public
comment.
We
will
be
taking
speakers
in
the
order
they
are
pre-registered.
If
there
are,
any
speakers
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes.
We
ask
that
after
your
name
is
called
you
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
proceed
with
your
comments
after
we've
completed
the
list
of
any
pre-registered
speakers
we'll
see.
If
there
are
any
other
speakers
in
the
queue
that
who
may
have
called
in
in
order
to
activate
your
microphones,
you'll
need
to
press
star
6
on
your
phone.
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Smalley
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
john
smoley
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
before
you
remotely
this
evening
to
brief
you
on
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
application
to
demolish
a
non-contributing
resource
and
construct
a
multi-family
residential
building
at
2316,
fourth
avenue
south
in
the
washburn,
fair
oaks,
historic
district
next
slide.
Please.
K
K
The
building
was
originally
built
by
crawford
murr's
construction
to
serve
as
the
company's
headquarters,
but
it
now
serves
as
the
headquarters
for
a
real
estate
development
company
owned
by
the
applicant
crawford
mer's
construction
does
not
appear
to
be
historically
significant,
founded
in
1886
by
john
w
crawford.
The
firm's
original
focus
was
and
remains,
remodeling
work.
Their
list
of
marquee
projects
is
almost
entirely
tenant
improvements,
not
new
buildings.
This
firm
has
not
previously
been
recognized
as
a
master
builder
by
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation
commission,
nor
does
staff
recommend
it
be
recognized
as
such.
K
As
discussed
at
the
january
30th
2020
joint
meeting
in
the
heritage
preservation,
commission
and
the
city
planning
commission's
committee
of
the
whole,
the
applicant
proposes
to
construct
a
74-unit
multi-family
residential
building
with
24
enclosed
first
floor
parking
spaces
accessed
via
the
alley.
Thank
you.
K
Next
slide,
please,
those
characteristics
are
masking.
That's
five
units
wide
by
five
units:
deep
dark
brown,
brick
walls
accented
by
tan
brick,
detailing
four
stories:
simple
sheet
metal
parapet,
caps,
walk
out
units
with
metal,
canopies,
roll
up
garage
doors,
large
window
openings
and
extensive
sections
of
shiplap
fiber
cement,
siding
and
burnished
concrete
masonry
unit
block
which
the
applicant
has
moved
exclusively
to
the
sides
and
rear
of
the
building.
In
response
to
your
conceptual
review,
comments.
K
Staff
has
received
one
comment,
letter
shared
with
you
today
by
our
clerk,
which
requests
denial
of
the
project
as
conditioned.
The
proposal
meets
all
findings
required
by
the
heritage
preservation
regulations,
with
the
following
exceptions
in
terms
of
compliance
with
the
washburn,
fair
oaks,
historic
district
design,
guidelines
which
state
that
new
bricks
should
match
existing
break
in
terms
of
brick,
size,
texture
and
color,
as
well
as
the
existing
mortar,
color,
bonding
pattern
and
width
and
type
of
join
staff
would
note
that
to
ensure
compatible
differentiation
from
contributing
resources
within
the
within
the
district.
K
Notes
that
74,
dark
bronze,
p-tac
air
conditioning
units
and
heat
pumps,
one
for
each
micro
dwelling
unit
in
the
building,
are
proposed
to
penetrate
the
exterior
walls
of
the
building
in
the
rendering.
Before
you,
I
should
say
in
the
elevations
before
you,
you
can
see
some
of
these
p-tac
units
they
have
there.
They
show
up
on
the
plans
their
vents
show
up
as
the
sort
of
the
black
squares
at
the
base
of
a
number
of
window.
K
Openings
and
you'll
note
that
they
are
mostly
removed,
have
mostly
been
removed
from
the
front
of
the
building,
except
in
the
central
u-shaped
courtyard.
Opening
creation
of
74,
separate
louvered,
grills
and
exterior
building
walls,
each
of
which
will
be
nearly
five
square
feet
in
area,
really
challenges.
The
idea
that
the
building
will
be
compatible
with
the
character
of
this
historic
district
developed
predominantly
before
any
sort
of
forced
air
heating
and
cooling
systems
were
utilized
in
the
district.
K
For
these
reasons,
staff
recommends
the
heritage.
Preservation.
Commission
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
listed
in
the
staff
report.
I'm
available
for
any
questions
you
may
have,
and
I
know
the
applicant
is
available
and
would
like
to
speak
as
well.
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All
right,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
I
think
the
existing
building-
that's
there.
I
don't
really
have
any
problem
with
demolishing
that.
I
think
we
all
believe
that
it's
not
a
contributing
resource
and
that
that
part
of
the
project
is
okay
and
looking
at
the
design
for
the
new
construction.
I
was
curious.
Is
there
somewhere
in
the
packet
or
maybe
either
john
or
the
applicant,
has
a
photo
of
those
ptac
units
installed?
D
K
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
this
is
john
smolin
again,
the
applicant
did
not
provide,
nor
did
we
request
a
you
know,
any
kind
of
evidence
or
photo
of
the
ptac
units
installed
in
a
building
these
particular
units.
They
do
have
a
spec
sheet
in
the
packet
itself,
and
I
can
tell
you
which
page
that
appears
on
if
you
would
like
you'll
at
least
get
the
specifications
for
the
unit
itself.
L
Oh,
thank
you.
Sorry.
I
was
on
before
I
hit
star
six
a
couple
of
times
and
it
wouldn't
let
me
in
so
I
ended
up
kind
of
re-dialing
in
order
to
to
join
so
I
missed
whatever
was
said
for
the
last,
maybe
four
four
or
five
minutes,
but
if
I
could,
if
I
could
just
speak
to
our
our
issue
and
and
is
that
that
appropriate
now.
L
L
We
went
to
you
know
great
care
to
design
a
building
that
fits
within
the
context
of
the
of
the
fair
oaks
district
and
we
believe,
even
though
our
site's
sort
of
on
the
edge
of
that
district,
the
the
site
that
shown
as
he
went
through
on
on
images.
Four
and
five.
We
really
don't
have
any
of
the
the
buildings
for
which
the
building
was
that
the
district
was
was
formed
from
right
in
our
immediate
area.
But
this
is
this
is
kind
of
a
groundbreaking
project.
L
L
The
the
the
issue,
though,
really
is,
is
this
location
adjacent
to
the
35w?
Sound
wall
will
not
quite
bring
in
the
higher
rents
of
some
of
the
other
parts
of
the
neighborhood,
but
we're
going
to
begin
to
create
a
neighborhood
so
in
in
order
to
keep
the
cost
of
rent
for
these
units
as
as
low
as
possible.
L
There
was
a
suggestion
to
color
the
siding
portions
of
the
building,
so
it
matched
the
brick.
We
also
did
that
which
you
would
see
in
the
elevations
that
were
presented,
and
there
was
also
some
discussions
about
the
ptac
integration
that
we
could
make
if
we
could
make
the
windows
the
same
size
that
integrated
the
p-tacks
along
the
sides
that
that
would
help
make
them
less
noticeable.
So
we
did
that
as
well
during
that
discussion,
but
during
during
that
meeting,
there
wasn't
any
objection
to
the
concept
of
using
p-tax
for
this
building.
L
M
L
Think
it's
it's
the
brick
that
people
will
notice
here
and
we
think
the
brick
used
in
different
details
and
with
different
patterns
will
be
the
thing
that
that
most
people
will
notice
coming
up
and
down
the
sidewalks
and
that
the
recesses
of
the
buildings
and
will
not
be
with
with
the
ptac
units
integrated
will
not
be
as
noticeable.
Because
of
that,
and
we
think
it's
designed
to
meet
the
standard.
The
requirements
of
the
fair
oaks
district,
as
submitted
I'm
more
than
available
for
questions
about
any
of
these
concepts
or
or
anything
else.
L
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B
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G
Yeah,
I
actually
want
to
echo
what
commissioner
sam
bolt
said.
I
I
really
appreciate
that
the
applicant
is
putting
the
additional
brick
on
the
facade.
I
think
there's
too
many
apartment
buildings
going
up
in
the
city
that
are
just
using
like
really
cheap
building
materials.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
their
willingness
to
remove
the
ptac
units
from
the
front.
I
know
there
are
some
ways
to
mitigate
ptac
units
from
vue.
G
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
johnson.
I
think
I
agreed
that
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
disaster
to
have.
I
think
it's
six
of
those
two
stories
with
the
three
units
in
the
center
with
the
p-tech
units
showing
I'm
looking
at
their
floor
plan
and
I'm
seeing
that
it
would
probably
be
difficult
for
them
to
without
reconfiguring
the
floor
plan,
move
those
p-tac
units
to
some
other
location
for
those
units.
H
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H
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B
E
M
The
project
representatives
are
present
today
and
they're
looking
for
feedback
and
questions
regarding
their
initial
proposal
for
the
design
staff
drafted
a
memo
that
was
sent
to
you,
along
with
the
preliminary
materials
that
the
project
representatives
have
forwarded
and
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
few
points
to
mention.
With
this
proposal,
the
project
representatives
are
proposing
a
rather
large
scale
alteration
at
the
park,
which
includes
a
new
performance
pavilion
stage.
M
Just
the
overall
alteration
in
landscape
design,
the
park's
association
to
the
mississippi
river
and
how
proposed
alterations
it
may
affect
that
as
well
as
if
it
is
believed
that
further
archaeological
assessments
may
be
warranted
based
on
the
study
produced
by
the
project.
Representatives
with
that,
I
will
be
available
for
any
questions
or
comments,
but
I
think
it
might
be
more
important
that
you
would
direct
those
at
the
representatives
who
are
available
to
talk
and
address
questions
and
comments
at
this
time.
M
E
E
M
Correct
yeah
and
understanding,
I
believe
the
project
representatives
will
be
able
to
probably
articulate
its
best,
which
is
understanding
that
this
is
a
pretty
major
alteration
to
this
portion
of
the
district,
and
a
product
of
this
scale
would
likely
come
to
you
eventually
as
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
if
this
does
carry
through
at
this
point.
So
yes,.
E
N
Hi,
this
is
charlene
royce,
with
pass
royce,
and
company
100
north
first
street
minneapolis,
and
we
have
been
working
with
the
park
board
and
the
project
team
on
this
and
mostly
well
john
duzman
from
the
park
board,
is
going
to
be
our
sort
of
ring
leader
on
this
in
terms
of
kind
of
responding
to
your
questions.
But
I
did
want
to
just
state
that,
in
response
to
what
rob
scholacki
said,
we
will
be
coming
forward
with
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
when
the
plans
are
further
along
right.
N
J
J
So
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
be
on
the
agenda
tonight.
I
appreciate
that
and
just
to
kind
of
build
off
of
what
charlene
was
just
describing
talking
about
yeah
right,
the
neighborhood
definitely
has
changed
significantly
in
the
time
since
this
park
was
built
and
the
park
has
not
seen
any
improvements
since
its
original.
J
You
know
design
and
construction
back
in
the
70s
from
the
sasaki
plan
and
just
with
the
heavy,
intense
use
that
is
drawn
to
the
area,
not
only
from
people
within
the
neighborhood
but
more
regionally
as
well.
We
know
that
from
park
counts
that
this
is
one
of
the
most
visited
areas
within
you
know
park
system
the
park
just
needs.
J
Some
definitely
needs
some.
Some
upkeep
and
some
improvements
made
to
kind
of
address
the
changes
in
time,
and
so
you
know
part
of
the
park
forge
process
is
when
we
start
a
project.
It's
it
kind
of
takes
several
steps
to
kind
of
get
things
going
and
then,
when
we
do,
we
kind
of
really
kind
of
build
upon
community
engagement
to
really
kind
of
understand
what
the
needs
are
from
the
community,
the
neighborhood
that
use
a
park.
J
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
same
for
you
or
not,
but
it's
a
schematic
design
concept
that
really
shows
the
improvements
that
we're
looking
to
do,
and
so
it
is
a
big,
a
bit
of
a
swing
and
changing
from
what
the
original
1978
design
from
sasaki
was.
But
we
really
again
kind
of
built
the
plan
off
of
this
concept
plan
off
of
what
the
community
was
looking
for
in
terms
of
improvements
there.
J
So
circulation
is
definitely
a
big
issue
that
we're
addressing
here
with
the
plan.
Safety
with
lighting
is
another
thing
right
now.
The
park
kind
of
has
different
light
fixtures
throughout
the
park
and
they're
not
as
spaced
out
as
probably
as
best
as
they
can
to
kind
of
provide
more
of
a
uniform
lighting
level
for
the
park
and
park
use
later
on
in
the
evening.
J
So
we
wanted
to
address
that
performance
and
gathering,
as
you
probably
you
know,
had
heard,
rob
talk
about
and
mention
that's
kind
of
a
big
piece
with
this,
and
that's
in
in
the
area
of
the
plan
kind
of
located
closer
to
the
stone
arch
bridge.
We
really
kind
of
need
to
address
again
kind
of
the
activity
that
happens
in
the
park
and
a
lot
of
what
happens
there.
J
Gathering
events
that
are
annual
events
that
have
been
going
on
in
the
park
for
20
plus
years
trying
to
find
a
way
to
sort
of
meet
those
needs
a
little
bit
better
because,
as
we
see,
we
just
see
more
and
more
people
in
the
park
and
kind
of
the
existing
kind
of
performance
band
chiller
and
we're
not
financial
but
performance
area.
Right
now
really
has
kind
of
met
its
match.
J
We
have
so
many
younger
families
that
now
live
in
and
around
the
park,
but
again
kind
of
addressing
that
regional
aspect
where
we
have
even
families
that
come
to
this
area
that
don't
live
around
here
that
have
kids
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
to
play
has
been
was
an
important
piece
of
the
community
voiced
during
community
engagement.
So
we
are
proposing
to
construct
a
playground
within
the
park
and
playgrounds.
You
know,
can
be
of
many
sizes.
J
Many
shapes
many
colors,
but
we
call
this
a
nature
play
in
our
concept
plan,
because
we
don't
see
this
as
a
big
bright.
You
know
20
30,
foot
tall
structures
that
you
know
would
kind
of
be
dominant
features
in
the
park,
but
we
call
it
nature
play
because
play
has
changed
through
the
years
and
we
see
things
that
are
used
more
naturally,
and
now
we
use
rocks
and
logs
and
stumps
those
kinds
of
things
that
might
sound
kind
of
odd
to
people.
J
But
those
are
becoming
more
and
more
popular
for
kids
to
play
on
and
so
kind
of,
not
introducing
something
that
really
is
kind
of
in
stark
contrast
to
the
character
of
the
area,
but
something
that
would
really
kind
of
lend
itself
more
to
kind
of
fitting
in
along
the
bluff
and
within
the
heavy
vegetation
kind
of
within
the
park.
So
there's
kind
of
this
a
very
simplistic
view
of
the
concept
plan.
J
You
know
again,
sort
of
you
know
after
the
concept
plan,
was
kind
of
voted
on
by
the
community
and
kind
of
developed
by
the
community
effort.
We
did
take
that
to
our
board
of
commissioners
to
review
and
approve,
and
they
did
approve
that
concept
plan
that
you're
seeing
here
in
this
presentation
material
tonight
back
in
this.
J
We
wanted
to
get
the
commission's
feedback
on
what
we're
looking
at
doing
here
to
kind
of
make
sure
we're
going
to
do
something
that
ultimately
does
fit
with
the
character
and
the
history
of
the
site
itself,
and
so
with
that,
I
guess
I'm
going
to
stop
with
what
I'm
kind
of
describing
here
and
just
let
you
know
that
not
only
is
charlene
on
the
call,
but
our
landscape
architect
is
also
available,
as
well
as
our
architect
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
commissioners
might
have.
So.
Thank
you.
E
G
Hi,
I
I
run
through
this
park
four
or
five
times
a
week
now
that
the
gyms
are
closed,
so
I
am
very
familiar
with
this
park.
I
always
see
the
signs
up.
That
say
the
future
of
the
park
is
being
planned,
be
part
of
the
conversation,
and
I
never
kind
of
followed
up
on
that.
So
I'm
so
glad
to
see
this
is
on
there.
G
My
question
is,
you
know,
as
I'm
running
through
the
park
or
walking
through
the
park,
the
tree
line,
that
the
existing
tree
line
really
obscures
the
stone
arch,
the
mississippi
and
the
skyline.
So
some
of
the
renderings
I
saw
I
thought,
were
I
don't
want
to
say
deceiving,
but
I
mean:
is
it
the
intent
to
kind
of
reduce
the
the
amount
of
trees
along
the
bluffs
to
get
a
better
view
of
some
of
those
features
of
of
minneapolis,
like
the
stone
arch
and
the
skyline
and
of
the
river.
J
Itself:
well,
that's
that's
a
good
question
and,
and
certainly
I'll
I'll
mention
I
I
can
address
that
in
in
our
landscape
architect.
If
she
feels
my
answer
wasn't
quite
spot
on
I'm
going
to
let
her
jump
into.
But
ideally
I
think
that
you
know
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
maintain
views
as
best
as
possible
when
sasaki
designed
this
park.
J
We
would
still
like
to
try
and
maintain
the
best
that
we
can.
But
you
know
in
our
in
our
vegetative
management
plan,
which
I'll
talk
about
here.
We
basically
don't
have
anything
in
place
where
we
come
in
with
preserve
views,
which
is
unfortunate,
I
mean
if
you
were,
to
go
up
and
down
the
river
in
in
spots
along
like
west
river.
J
Has
stated
that
you
know
they
don't
maintain
view
sheds
they
just
kind
of
maintain
what
is
needed
in
terms
of
quality
of
tree
and
plantings
of
trees.
So
why?
I
guess
I
can
say
it's
an
open
conversation
we'd
like
to
have
with
them,
because
I
think
there
are
some
view
sheds
within
this
park.
That
would
be
nice
to
open
up
again,
like
they
were
back
in
the
late
70s,
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
do
that
a
little
bit
with
this
project
and
work
with
our
our
forestry
department.
J
G
E
G
It's
me
again:
I
am
not
that's
good,
that's
an
architect,
not
a
landscape,
architect
here.
So
I
was
really
curious
about
that.
This
sasaki.
If
I'm
pronouncing
that
right,
you
know,
I
know
he
designed
the
park
in
the
1970s.
I
know
that
he
was
a
master
landscape
architect.
I
guess
my
question
to
maybe
the
anybody
else
who's
knowledgeable
about
landscape
architecture.
Is
you
know
what
features
did
were
there?
J
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
really
good
question
and
I'm
gonna.
This
is
what
I
think
I'm
gonna
do
with
that
question.
So
charlene,
if
you
could
maybe
address
the
first
part
of
commissioner
johnson's
question
about
sort
of
so
maybe
some
significant
pieces
of
sasaki
the
design
and
then
julie.
If
you
would
be
ready
to
maybe
talk
about
incorporation
into
the
current
plan,
if
we
could
do
that,
that
would
be
great.
N
This
is
charlene
and
in
terms
of
sasaki's
plans,
he
the
firm,
there's
some
history
of
the
firm
in
the
report
that
we
did
talking
about
the
how
sasaki
was
in
the
60s
and
70s
very
innovative
in
doing
having
an
integrated
practice.
So,
instead
of
just
looking
at
landscape,
he
had
planners,
he
had
architects.
He
had
a
whole
team
approach
to
looking
at
design
and
they
also
became
very
famous
for
waterfront
designs
and
when
they
were
doing
the
father,
hennepin
bluff
work.
They
were
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
doing
other
projects.
N
They
did
boston
harbor,
which
is
a
big
one
and
some
other
ones
on
the
east
coast
and
in
terms
of
the
specifics
on
this
project.
Oh
they
also,
I
should
mention
they
were
hired
to
do.
The
entire
riverfront
master
plan
for
minneapolis,
which
was
huge
and-
and
I
think,
is,
is
sort
of
reflected
in
the
the
ultimate
outcome
of
the
the
project
the
sasaki
had
been
in
town
before
they.
N
They
worked
on
the
gardens,
the
landscape
at
the
towers,
complex,
which
was
an
urban
renewal
project
right
over
across
from
the
post
office,
and
so
they
were
kind
of
a
known
entity
in
terms
of
the
actual
design.
A
father
hadn't
been
bluffed
to
your
question
about
uniqueness.
No,
it's
it's
not
outrageously,
innovative
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
a
good
solid
example
of
the
firm's
design
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
julie.
C
Thank
you
and
I'll
speak
to
some
of
the
elements
that
were
prominent
in
our
work,
with
the
conceptual
design
for
the
project,
as
charlene
spoke
to
and
john
as
well,
when
he
introduced
the
project.
The
sasaki
design
kind
of
first
and
foremost,
is
an
introspective
design
and
at
the
time
that
the
park
was
designed
and
installed,
much
of
the
surround
was
industrial
and
the
park
was
designed
with
firms
and
heavy
vegetation
and
clusters
of
threes,
and
he
created
these
beautiful
spaces
internally
to
the
park
to
bring
people
inward
and
kind
of
buffer
the
surround.
C
C
In
keeping
with
that
original
intent.
We
intend
to
retain
the
original
overlook
feature.
As
john
mentioned,
there
were
a
series
of
overlook
areas
planned
and
designed
at
the
time
the
sasaki
park
was
developed
and
with
time.
Obviously,
some
of
the
vegetation,
as
we
talked
about,
has
filled
in
and
some
of
those
spaces
are
not
as
much
of
an
overlook
at
this
point,
and
so
we
may
think
a
little
bit
about
what
does
that
mean
for
how
those
spaces
evolve.
C
M
C
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
features
are
considered
to
be
kind
of
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
overall
plan
from
the
sasaki
time,
and
I
think
the
last
thing
I
would
just
mention
would
be
in
terms
of
kind
of
the
vegetation.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
bluff
area,
but
on
the
site
proper.
C
We
do
intend
to
keep
as
much
of
the
vegetation
as
we
can
that's
existing
I'm
referring
to
tree
canopy
and
then
for
areas
where
we
would
be
enhancing
the
tree
canopy
or
maybe
replacing
trees
that
do
need
to
come
out
to
support
the
development.
We
would
be
intending
to
carry
forward
that
sort
of
naturalized
informal
planting
characters.
So
that's
the
intent
for
how
we
would
look
to
kind
of
enhance
and
carry
forward
some
of
those
original
character
elements
in
the
park
design.
H
Yeah,
I
have
a
few
comments
and
questions.
First
off
I
was
like
really
excited
to
read
through
the
report
on
this.
I
felt
like
oh
my
gosh,
this
little
gem
in
our
own
backyard
that
I
know
nothing
about,
so
I
really
appreciated
all
the
context
that
that
kind
of
helped
provide-
and
I
also
appreciate
kind
of
the
walk
through
kind
of
the
planning
and
the
things
that
you
guys
have
been
considering,
as
you
have
been
designing
it.
H
I
was
also
really
surprised
that
this
isn't
individually
recognized,
which
also
kind
of
made
me
think.
Okay,
we
should
not
be
focusing
too
much
on
what
the
original
design
intent
is.
If
we
were
really
kind
of
trying
to
focus
on
how
this
impacts
the
district
and
then
I
also
was
curious,
if
there
is
any
like
regrading
or
if
the
pathways
are
changing,
but
not
the
kind
of
topography.
J
J
You
know
we
we're
not.
I
mean
since
we're
so
early
on
in
this
process.
Just
at
this
concept
stage
we've
we're
not.
We
haven't
delved
into
a
lot
of
that,
but
we
are
very
much
still.
You
know
in
our
thoughts
thinking
about
materials
and
how
things
can
be
brought
into
the
park
that
would
fit
with
the
character
of
the
district,
julie
and
the
rest
of
the
team
kind
of
did
some
work
early
on
in
concept,
schematic
design,
looking
at
character
materials
and
in
the
report.
J
So
we
have
definitely
started
thinking
about
materials
a
bit
to
try
to
figure
out
sort
of
how
things
could
work
on
the
design
and
fit
the
character
of
the
saint
anthony
falls,
historic
preservation,
district,
so
just
kind
of
a
quick
little
piece
on
that.
Our
architect,
michael
rohr,
will,
I
think,
can
definitely
answer
some
questions
about
the
character
of
the
of
the
proposed
pavilion
regrading.
J
J
One
of
the
characters
of
this
concept
plan
calls
for
a
dry
creek
bed
that
would
basically
kind
of
connect
up
the
nature,
plate
area
and
then
kind
of
run
in
parallel
with
the
top
of
the
bluff
over
towards
generally
over
towards
the
entrance
to
the
stone
arch
bridge,
and
so
the
idea
there
is
again
kind
of
using
materials
that
would
certainly
be
characteristic
of
the
area,
so
they
kind
of
blend
in
and
fit,
but
then
also
kind
of
addressing
some
issues
with.
You
know:
seasonal
ponding
of
water.
J
That
certainly
don't
function
very
well
in
the
park
right
now.
So
the
level
of
grading
is
kind
of
undetermined,
but
we
definitely
will
be
doing
some
recreating
and
we
definitely
have
some
regretting
to
do
with
the
kind
of
new
configuration
of
some
of
the
path
pathways
that
would
be
proposed
as
part
of
the
project.
F
I
think
this
this
sounds
like
a
really
exciting
report,
and
I
agree
with
the
other
commissioners
that
I
think
maybe
we
should
talk
about
how
the
sasaki
design
of
the
park
can
maybe
be
a
part
of
the
park's
future.
I
think,
just
even
in
the
case
of
the
context
of
the
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district.
F
I
it
sounds
like
the
original
park.
Design
could
be
a
important
part
of
the
story
of
how
this
historic
district
became.
What
it
is
today
from
being
a
mostly
industrial
area
to
being
an
area
that
is
used
for
recreation
and
many
other
uses,
and
because
this
design
sounds
like
it
was
a
good
example
of
not
only
that
firm's
work,
but
also
of
the
kind
of
landscape
design
that
transformed
the
mississippi
waterfront
in
minneapolis.
F
E
Thank
you,
commissioner
kling,
and
I
I
have
to
agree
my
my
biggest
concern
about
this
design
is
the
fact
that
we're
essentially
losing
the
sasaki
design
and,
despite
all
of
the
the
great
intent
to
to
be
inspired
by
and
be
referential
to,
the
design
intent
of
the
park.
The
actual
design
and
what's
left
of
the
historic
materials
and
design
will
be
mostly
lost.
E
So
we're
kind
of
the
commission
is
kind
of
stuck
into
in
two
spots.
We
have
to
look
at
this
from
the
perspective
of
the
district,
and
I
think
we
have
some
good
guidance
related
to
how
design
can
impact
the
district
and-
and
I
do
want
to
get
to
the
five
items
that
staff
would
like
feedback
on.
But
we
also
have
the
the
issue
that
that
has
to
do
with
the
actual
sasaki
design.
E
I
think
that
the
report
lays
out
a
very
good
case
for
saying
that
that
sasaki
design
could
be
locally
designated
individually
as
a
historic
site,
and
so
that
complicates
the
design
process
and
quite
a
bit
for
the
design
team
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
you're
dealing
with
both
of
those
things
so
before
we
get
too
far.
I
want
to
get
to
these
five
points.
Staff
specifically
requested
for
feedback
on
the
proposed
positioning
of
the
new
band.
Shell.
E
D
Hi,
so
I
think
the
the
location
of
the
band
shell
looks
fairly
good
to
me.
It
looks
like
there's
also
some
structures
planned
for
the
north
edge
of
the
park,
and
I
did
see
that
there
were
structures
in
that
area
historically
and
so
just
wondering
what
the
approach
will
be
for
citing
those
structures
along
the
north
side
and
what
kind
of
mindfulness
we'll
have
if
anything
is
discovered
at
those
sites.
E
I
think
that's
a
good
question
for
the
applicant
as
they
continue
to
move
forward
and
that
that
kind
of
relates
to
the
archaeological
assessment
question.
I
believe
the
number
five
in
the
list
of
questions-
and
that
was
staff,
is
looking
for
feedback
on
the
archaeological
survey
and
the
recommendation
that
additional
archaeology
be
warranted.
A
E
E
N
The
sasaki
plans,
actually
we
did
find
them
and
but
there's
there's
absolutely
no
information
about
any
archaeological
things.
They
just
were
not
even
thinking
about
that
at
all.
Nino
did
an
extensive
literature
review,
which
you
saw
and
identified
where
there
probably
are
well
there's
potential
archaeological
findings
and-
and
I
think
the
idea
of
basically
digging
as
needed,
where
there's
going
to
be
ground
disturbance,
is
a
great
concept
and
that's,
I
think,
what
the
park
board
is
intending
to
do.
H
Yeah,
I
guess
I
would
just
kind
of
support
what
everyone
else
is
saying
and
sort
of
trying
to
focus
where
any
other
additional
archaeology
would
happen
to
not
do
more
archaeology
than
is
necessary
to
kind
of
leave
what's
in
the
ground
in
the
ground,
unless
you
are
going
to
be
disturbing
it.
So
I
appreciated
that
recommendation.
E
E
E
Maybe
we'll
come
back
to
that
one
overall
alteration
in
the
landscape
design.
I
think
I've
already
mentioned
my
concern
about
losing
the
sasaki
design
and
the
character
defining
features
of
that.
Are
there
other
comments?
I
think
the
grading
will
become
an
important
thing
for
us
to
see
in
the
final
application
is
how
how
much
grading
will
be
done.
That
will
be
changing
that
that
park,
landscape.
H
E
H
I
I
would
just
kind
of
echo
that
it
feels
like
we
are
really
losing
something
to
be
losing
all
of
those
different
rooms.
So
I
guess
I
I
would
like
personally
to
sort
of
see
if,
if
it's
possible,
to
kind
of
bring
in
these
new
uses
and
accommodate
this
new
function
of
the
park,
while
still
retaining
those
those
rooms
in
some
way,
whatever
that
might
look
like.
D
Yeah
I'll
speak
a
little
bit.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
concerned
with
with
this
plan
is
the
dry
creek
bed.
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
indicators
that
there
was
originally
a
ravine
or
a
creek
there,
and
I
think
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
heartache
about
creating
something
that
might
be
considered.
D
You
know
false
history,
basically
that
it's
a
remnant
of
something
that
was
there
originally,
and
maybe
I
just
missed
that
there
is
that
there
was
something
on
this
site,
but
if
there
was
a
ravine
that
was
on
the
site,
I'd
like
to
use
that
as
inspiration
for
where
that
dry,
creek
bed
goes
and
if
there's
not
anything
like
that,
I
would
maybe
want
to
consider
a
different
sort
of
natural
play
area.
That
kind
of
follows
more
of
that
room
concept
where
it's.
L
E
G
Not
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
no,
I
don't
think
so.
I
mean
I
can
actually
literally
see
the
park
from
my
apartment.
I
I
no,
I
think,
that's
it.
I
think
it
I
think
the
park
is,
I
think,
we've
echoed
there's.
We've
said
this
ad
nauseam
already,
it
is
it's
such
a
beautiful
location
and
it
needs
some
tlc.
So
yeah
I
mean.
E
E
B
I
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
like
the
placement
of
the
band
shell
when
you
walk
through
there
now,
it's
always
felt
like
an
awkward
place
where
it
is.
I
feel
like
this
is
kind
of
a
nice
tucked
in
spot
next
to
the
where
the
bridge
is
and
and
the
addition
of
the
restrooms
I
think
is,
is
wonderful
too,
so
I
just
want
to
add
that
thanks.
E
E
E
So
if
you
have
any
interest,
go
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office
in
iowa
and
take
a
look
at
their
agenda,
there
are
some
people
from
minnesota
speaking,
including
some
folks
from
has
royce
speaking
on
our
wonderful
minneapolis
music
survey
and
I'm
speaking
as
well
on
properties
of
the
recent
past.
So
it's
a
great
learning
opportunity
and
you
don't
even
have
to
leave
your
living
room.