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A
Hello:
everyone
tonight
we
are
starting
the
regular
meeting
of
the
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission.
It
is
december,
8th,
2020
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
chair
feruzon
to
get
us
started.
B
Good
morning
or
sorry
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
december
8th
2020
meeting
of
the
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission.
I
now
call
this
meeting
to
order.
The
first
item
I'll
combine
them
first
couple
items.
I
would
make
a
motion
to
do
a
adoption
of
the
agenda
and,
as
we
vote
on
that
I'll
we'll
also
do
the
roll
call.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner,
sarah.
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
each
of
the
commissioners,
one
by
one,
as
I
call
you
please
say
your
name
and
whether
and
affirm
that
you
are
present
and
that
you
how
you
vote
on
adopting
the
meeting
agenda.
G
Commissioner
jackson
is
president
and
I
vote
as
well
to
adopt
the
order.
B
In
hindsight,
I
should
have
combined
all
of
this,
but
I'll
right
now,
I'd
take
a
motion
to
I'll
make
a
motion
and
look
for
a
second
on
someone
to
for
adopt
or
for
accepting
the
meeting
minutes.
B
Second
from
commissioner
pino,
all
right
I'll
now
go
around
if
you
have
when
I
call
you
if
you
have
any
edits
or
anything
to
make
note
of,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
Otherwise,
please
make
your
vote
on
accepting
the
meeting
minutes
from
our
september
meeting.
Commissioner.
Sarah.
I
F
F
B
Commissioner
sparks
I,
and
I
commissioner
fuzan
also
vote.
I
all
right
now
we're
moving
on
to
public
comment.
Honestly,
if
you
will
accept
the
first
open
it
up
to
public
comment.
A
Absolutely
chair
feruzon,
so
today
we
are
limiting
public
comment
to
two
minutes.
So
I'll
give
you
a
gentle
reminder
when
you're
nearing
your
time
and
then
ask
you
to
conclude
your
comments.
The
first
caller
that
we
had
phone
number
ends
in
eight
seven,
nine,
three,
eight
seven,
nine
three
you'll
just
have
to
press
star
six
to
unmute
yourself
and
begin
your
comment,
and
if
you
would
not
like
to
make
a
comment,
that's
totally
fine.
You
can
just
remain
muted
and
we'll
move
on.
J
J
It
is
an
opportunity
for
significant
involvement
on
some
very
important,
high-profile
issues
at
first
it'll
seem
like
there's
so
much
to
learn
about
the
commission's
work
and
about
civilian
oversight
in
general,
but
I
encourage
you
not
to
sit
back
and
remain
silent
waiting
until
you
might
feel
more
confident,
frequently
a
new
perspective.
An
outside
perspective
is
exactly
what's
needed,
so
state
your
views
about
what
you
think
the
pclc
should
be
doing.
What
you'd
like
it
to
do.
It'll
only
make
the
commission
stronger
and
more
effective
and
remember
that
you
are
an
independent
body.
J
You
are
not
part
of
the
opcr.
You
are
not
part
of
the
civil
civil
rights
department.
Earlier
this
year,
a
commissioner
raised
an
issue
and
was
told
by
the
director
of
the
civil
rights
department
that
she
was
new
and
wasn't
aware
of
all
the
documents.
She
was
basically
told
to
keep
quiet,
don't
fall
for
that
in
president-elect
biden's
words,
that's
malarkey,
you
are
an
independent
body
and
it's
your
role
to
raise
questions.
J
Okay,
second
rumor
has
it
that
chief
ru,
the
chair,
farouzon,
is
leaving
the
pcoc
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
him
for
serving
on
the
commission.
In
particular,
I
wanted
to
mention
two
things.
Frequently.
I've
had
problems
in
getting
answers
to
my
questions
from
the
opcr
from
the
mpd
from
the
mayor's
office
from
the
city
council
and
sheriff
aruzon
offered
to
step
in
and
ask
the
questions
on
my
behalf
himself,
and
I
re
really
appreciate
the
effort
that
he
did
in
that
regard.
Sometimes
it
worked.
J
Sometimes
it
didn't,
and
second,
I
always
had
a
constant
refrain
that
I
don't
think
the
city
officials
give
the
the
pclc
enough
respect
and
I
think
they
are
starting
to
ask
for
input
more
and
consulting
more
with
the
pcoc,
and
I
think
that
is
because
of
chair
feruzin's
insistent
in
this
last
period
of
time
that
they
do
so.
So
I
thank
chair
for
rouzan,
for
your
service
on
the
commission
and
making
the
the
city
officials
see
the
importance
of
this
commission.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Great.
Thank
you.
We'll
move
on
to
the
caller,
whose
phone
number
ends
in
four
one.
Two
one
star
six
to
unmute
yourself,.
K
Hello,
this
is
dave
picking.
I
I
wanna
welcome
the
new
commissioners
also-
and
I
want
to
second
what
chuck
said
regarding
commissioner
for
ruson
and
the
work
you've
done
and
we'll
miss
you,
and
I
I
appreciate
it
and
just
as
chuck
said
so.
I
shouldn't
repeat
that.
Similarly,
in
welcoming
the
new
commissioners,
I
second
pretty
much
everything
chuck
said
we'll
become
somewhat
familiar,
I'm
a
regular
attender
at
the
pcoc
since
it
started
back
in
2013..
K
I
was
a
member
of
the
civil
civilian
review
authority
back
in
2008
to
2010,
so
I've
been
following
civilian
review
for
a
long
long
time,
I'm
also
an
active
member
with
communities
united
against
police
brutality,
which
is
cuapb.
K
We
do
a
lot
of
research
and
policy
work
ourselves,
some
of
it.
I
guess
in
that
sense
overlaps
with
some
of
your
charge.
We
have
been
following
civilian
review:
we've
been
keeping
the
statistics,
we
frequently
request
information
from
the
city
and
get
that
and
and
oftentimes
information
that
you
wouldn't
have
otherwise.
So
anyhow,
we
look
forward
to
your
service.
We
have
often
offered-
and
I
think
and
again
to
do
anything
we
can
to
help
you
in
this
commission.
K
We've
never
been
taken
up
on
that
office
offer,
but
I
hope
maybe
you
will,
because
we
could
help
on
a
lot
of
issues,
history,
policy
issues,
statistics
and
so
on,
so
we're
here
to
help.
If
we
can
thank
you.
A
Great
thank
you.
The
next
caller
phone
number
ends
in
zero.
Seven,
six
one.
If
you'd
like
to
make
a
public
comment,
please
press
star
six
and
meet
yourself.
L
Good
evening,
everybody
commissioners,
this
is
heidi
ritchie
and
I
work
in
the
mayor's
office.
I
just
wanted
to
welcome
the
new
commissioners
and
tell
you
all
that
I'm
excited
to
work
with
you.
I
am
the
person
in
office
right
now.
That's
point
person
for
public
safety
as
the
person
that
held
that
position.
Prior
john
white
is
now
in
office
of
violence
prevention,
so
we
will
have
a
new
point
person
shortly,
but
for
the
time
being,
it's
me,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
knew
that
and
also
again
welcome
our
commissioners.
A
Great.
Thank
you.
The
next
phone
number
is
one
zero.
Two
excuse
me
one.
Eight,
two,
nine
one,
eight
two:
nine.
If
you'd
like
to
make
a
public
comment
star
six.
L
I
Is
emma
peterson
like
chuck
and
dave,
I
have
been
regularly
attending
pcoc
meetings
for
the
past
two,
some
years
after
my
sister
and
I
were
harassed
and
retaliated
against
by
the
minneapolis
police
department,
while
in
their
youth
program,
and
while
I
appreciate
chuck
and
dave's
kindness,
I
will
not
be
so
kind
as
I
was
when
the
last
two
commissioners
were
appointed
and
I'll,
give
you
all
the
new
commissioners
the
same
message.
I
If
you
are
here
just
to
build
your
resume,
then
please
leave,
because
this
position
is
a
point
where
people
can
make
change
it's
a
position
that
has
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
make
changes
in
the
police
department
that
are
very,
very
much
needed,
and
if
this
is
just
a
box
that
you
want
to
take
off
or
just
something
to
make,
you
look
good.
Then
I'll.
Ask
you
to
please
step
down
right
away,
because
that's
not
what
we
needed.
We
need
change
and
I've
been
through
the
runaround,
with
almost
every
department
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
I
And
it's
just
not
what
we
need,
so
I
hope
that
you
are
here
to
make
action
and
to
create
positive
changes
with
that
being
said,
I
will
echo
what
chuck
and
dave
said
about.
Commissioner
peruzin
you've
been
excellent.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
work
and
it's
going
to
be
I'm
sad
to
see
you
go
so
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
The
next
caller
phone
number
ends
in
five:
seven,
six,
four,
five:
seven
six:
four.
If
you'd
like
to
make
a
public
comment
star
six
to
unmute.
M
I'm
no
longer
muted.
My
name
is
paul
bossman.
I
have
been
attending
meetings
of
this
group
for
what
almost
three
years
now
since
my
two
goddaughters,
were
in
the
minnesota
of
the
minneapolis
police
explorers
program
and
were
harassed,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
great
stories
about
officers.
M
Behaving
badly
went
through
the
process
of
complaining
to
the
chain
of
command
complaining
to
ia,
complaining
to
you
guys,
having
very
little
happen
over
the
course
of
several
years
got
involved
with
community
groups
opposing
police
brutality
got
involved
with
suing
the
city
for
withholding
information
from
those
groups.
M
A
I
believe
that
is
everyone
on
the
line
who
was
in
queue
to
make
public
comment,
but
if
there
is
anyone
that
I
miss
please
unmute
yourself
now
by
pressing
star
six
and
we'll
hear
your
comment.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
the
public
comment.
I
appreciate
your
kind
words
and
you're
welcoming
the
new
commissioners.
I
you
know
I
I've
had
the
chance
to
meet
with
all
the
new
commissioners
and
I
feel,
like
I
know
the
current
commissioners
pretty
well,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
everyone
cares
deeply
about
improving
public
safety
and
improving
mpd
there.
I
know
that
we
might
not
always
agree
with
each
other
and
we
might
not
always
agree
with
with
you
know.
B
We
might
not
all
agree
with
each
other
on
the
ways
of
getting
there,
but
I
think
that,
with
continued
dialogue,
we
will
continue
to
get
there.
I
think
that
we've
hopefully
improved
in
building
relationships
with
community
partners.
I'd
really
like
to
thank
commissioner
pinau
for
for
his
work
in
outreach
in
the
past
year
as
along
with
our
city
staff.
B
Having
way
too
many
lawyers
on
the
commission
we're
getting
people
from
from
from
all
parts
of
the
city,
and
I
think
for
the
first
time
we're
we're
getting
people
who
who
have
family
members
and
who
they
themselves
have
had
direct
interaction
with
mpd,
not
as
someone
who
works
in
the
system,
but
as
someone
who
is
impacted,
who
has
impacted
impacted
by
mpd
as
a
community
member
and
impacted
in
negative
ways-
and
I
know
I
you
know
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
point
out
that
this
was
a
contentious,
appointee,
appointee
appointment
process.
B
And
I
I
think
I
know
the
city
staff
worked
hard
to
to
get
this
candid
pool
and
having
talked
to
everyone.
I
think
that
everyone
is
committed
and
brings
the
experience
that
is
valuable
to
this
commission.
B
I
I
think
that
I
don't
think
that
there
is
any
occupational
limits
to
who
who
should
be
able
to
serve
on
this
commission.
B
Everyone
brings
in
a
different
perspective
and
I
think,
and
as
mr
turchik
pointed
out,
I
don't
think
that
anyone's
lack
of
experience
with
the
pcoc
or
our
work
in
the
past
matters
because
we've
we've
built,
I
think,
a
good
framework
on
which
new
commissioners
can
step
in
and
make
a
immediate
impact
and
be
heard,
and
I'm
confident
that
that's
going
to
continue.
B
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
give
our
commissioners
a
chance
to
our
new
commissioners
a
chance
to
introduce
themselves,
and
I
actually
there's
one
more
thing.
I
I
do
want
to
point
out.
We
during
this
process
we
had
the
opportunity
to,
or
we
were
the
beneficiary
of
not
only
such
a
diverse
candidate
pool,
but
I
think
expanded
engagement
with
the
pclc.
B
So
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
applied,
who
were
not
able
to
were
not
selected
to
serve
on
the
commission
and
unfortunately,
there
are
only
so
many
seats.
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
that,
just
by
participating,
you
can
be
just
as
valuable
if
not
more
valuable
than
a
member
of
the
commission.
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
people
in
the
past
few
years,
who
was
not
a
member
of
the
commission,
was
a
woman
by
the
name
of
kathy
check.
B
She
she
was
a
community
member
who
prompted
us.
Some
of
the
regulars
might
remember,
remember
she
kind
of
prompted
us
to
look
into
the
city's
mpd's
mental
health
response
and
she
really
helped
guide
us
from
you
know
what
we
thought
was
the
right
potentially
the
right
way
to
go
forward,
which
was
more
training
and
cri.
You
know
police
officers
who
made
up
who
had
special
training
to
be
a
crisis
intervention
team.
B
She
really
pointed
us
in
the
direction
of
the
co-responder
model,
and
I
know
city
council
is
moving
funding
away
from
that
now.
But
that
program
was
extremely
successful
and
I
think,
made
an
impact
on
thousands
thousands
of
lives
over
the
three
years
it
was
in
there
miss
jack,
miss
check.
B
She
very
much
was
she
showed
up
at
every
meeting
and
every
subcommittee
meeting
where
we
were
discussing
that
issue
and
kept
on
sharing
her
research.
She
worked
in
the
field.
She
shared
her
research
with
us.
She
pointed
us
to
additional
resources
to
really
help
bolster
bolster
our
studies,
so
we
could
best
advocate
for
that
program.
So,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
the
petersons,
the
petersons.
B
I
think
you
demonstrated
how
valuable
showing
up
to
meetings
and
even
if
you're,
not
a
member
of
the
commission
can
be
at
one
point
you
had
mentioned,
you
had
discussed
the
idea
of
bringing
up
a
of
having
an
officer
drawing
their
weapon,
be
considered
use
of
force,
and
lo
and
behold
you
know
you
brought
it
up
for
discussion
at
the
commission.
We
talked
about
it,
police
chief
was
listening
and
that
and
the
mayor
was
listening
and
now
that
is
considered
a
use
of
force.
B
So
and
in
addition,
you
know
sharing
your
the
harassment
that
you
experienced,
that
that
led
to
our
study,
in
conjunction
with
the
audit
committee
of
equity
in
recruiting
and
retention
and
kind
of
finding
out
how
we
could
better
better
serve
that
and,
I
believe,
that's
work
that
continues
in
in
under
minneapolis
internal
audit.
So
just
by
showing
up
to
meetings
sharing
ideas,
sharing
information.
B
Even
if
you're,
not
a
member
on
the
commission
community
members,
you
can
still
make
a
big
impact,
and
many
of
you
have
so.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
apologize
for
kind
of
going
on
on
this,
but
we
have
so
many
valuable
members
of
the
community
and
please
even
if
you're
disappointed
by
not
being
on
on
the
commission.
B
Please
continue
to
share
your
ideas
and
your
experiences,
because
it
is
valuable
without
further
ado
I'll,
stop
talking
and
allow
our
new
members
to
to
share
a
little
bit
about
themselves
and
any
ideas
that
they're
interested
in
interested
in
exploring,
while
in
the
commission,
I'll
just
go
on
alphabetical
order.
Commissioner,
abdi.
E
E
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Jackson.
G
Good
evening,
everyone
this
is
commissioner,
cynthia
jackson.
I
am
very
excited
to
be
on
this
commission
looking
forward
to
working
with
everyone
and
finding
some
solutions
to
some
problems
that
just
won't
seem
to
leave
us
alone.
G
I
am
originally
from
indianapolis
indiana
and
I've
been
here
in
minneapolis
since
I
want
to
say
may
of
1996..
I
stayed
briefly
in
south
minneapolis
and
I
have
been
on
the
north
side
since
2000..
G
I
recently
graduated
from
metropolitan
state
university
with
a
mapple
degree,
which
is
a
masters
in
advocacy
and
political
leadership.
So
I'm
hoping
that
I
can
bring
some
of
that
expertise
to
bear
on
the
commission
other
than
that,
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
here
to
listen
and
learn
and
speak
up.
So
thank
you.
F
F
F
I
have
often
participated
in
programs
that,
where
I'm
helping
to
diversify
the
departments
and
I'm
in
charge
of
community
service
and
community
events,
I
think
that
if
we
can
get
police
to
work
with
their
communities
and
value
their
communities
that
they
serve
and
see
themselves
as
a
community
member
and
they
will
better
help
protect
us-
and
I
think
that's
where
we
need
to
start
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
implementing
some
of
those
changes.
H
Hello,
commissioner,
jordan
sparks
here,
I've
been
a
north
minneapolis
resident.
Fourth
ward.
Fourth
precinct
for
about
four
years
now
live
here
with
my
wife
and
our
two
kids.
Previously
I've
lived
in
south
minneapolis,
I've
also
lived
in
phillips
and
I've
also
lived
in
oakdale
minnesota.
H
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
like
very
excited
to
be
here.
I
feel
really
grateful
to
be
a
part
of
this
group.
I
feel
really
humbled
to
have
the
opportunity.
I
think
that
the
current
commission
is
incredibly
representative
of
the
city.
It's
so
diverse,
we're
uniquely
positioned
at
this
time
and
place
and
with
this
level
of
talent
to
hopefully
affect
some
positive
change
and
to
echo
commissioner
jackson's
comments
from
earlier.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
our
new
commissioners
for
sharing
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
vice
chair
election.
We
currently
have
a
vacancy
for
vice
chair,
so
it's
important
to
fill
that.
However,
I
recognize
that
traditionally,
that
chair
is
that
that
position
is
appointed
for
two
years.
B
However,
in
january
we
will
be
adding
more
members
to
the
commission
and
I
will
no
longer
be
part
of
the
commission,
so
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
ensure
that
all
voices
of
the
new
commission
can
be
heard
that
this
appointment
of
vice
chair
last
through
the
january
2021,
chair
and
vice
chair
election.
B
So
so
first
I'd
like
to
bring
that
to
a
vote.
We
need
to
vote
on
that
under
our
rules.
So
I
would
I
put
forward
a
motion
that
the
the
term
of
the
vice
chair
we
elect
today
will
last
through
the
january
2021
election
of
chair
and
vice
chair.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner,
sarah
commissioner
pino.
How
do
you
vote,
commissioner?
Sarah?
How
do
you
vote.
L
B
Nope,
this
is
just
for
the
vice
chair.
So
I'm
sorry,
let
me
step
back
and
explain
a
little
bit
more
so
since
I'll
be
serving
as
chair
until
the
my
term
ends
december
31st
and
one
of
the
roles
of
the
vice
chair
is
to
preside
over
meetings
when
the
chair,
when
there
is
not
a
chair,
so
what
this
avoids
doing
is
having
another
election
on
the
during
the
january
meeting
to
have
a
to
have
an
acting
chair
preside
over
just
the
election
portion
of
that
meeting.
This.
M
B
B
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
abdi
commissioner
jackson.
G
B
Commissioner
jacobson
aye
and
commissioner
sparks
aye,
and
I
commissioner
faruzan
vote
I
unanimously
this
has
passed
so
the
chair
or
the
vice
chair
position.
We're
voting
on
now
will
serve
through
the
election
elections
of
january
2021..
B
With
that
I'd
like
to
call
on
for
nominations,
commissioners,
you
may
nominate
yourself-
or
you
may
nominate
someone
else
after
that.
I
would
give
each
of
the
nominees
a
chance
to
explain
why
they
should
serve
in
in
this
role
and
then
we'll
we'll
vote
on
that
position,
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
things
by
putting
yourself
in
this
position.
You
still
remain
eligible.
B
Whoever
is
this
interim
vice
chair
will
still
be
eligible
to
be
nominated
or
nominate
themselves
for
chair
or
vice
chair
in
the
january
2021
election.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
that?
Commissioner?
Sarah
or
actually,
let
me
do
this
I'll,
make
a
motion
I'll
open
this
up
for
nominations
and
at
the
same
time
I
will,
if
you
have
any
questions,
please
ask
them
as
I
go
around
so,
commissioner.
C
Thank
you.
I
do
not
have
any
questions.
I
do
nominate,
commissioner
jackson
pino.
I
think
he
would
do
a
great
job
being
interim
vice
chair.
B
B
Okay,
commissioner
jacobson
and
I'm
sorry,
commissioner,
cynthia
jackson,
yep,
okay,
I'm
writing.
I'm
just
kind
of
we've
got
commissioner
jackson
p
now
and
commissioner
cynthia
jackson,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I'm
keeping
track
of
the
right
first
name
last
names
here.
Commissioner
jacobson,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
is
there
anyone
you
would
like
to
nominate,
or
would
you
like
to
nominate
yourself.
B
Okay,
so
as
of
now,
commissioner
jackson
and
commissioner
pino
are
the
nominees
commissioner
jackson,
my
first
question
is:
do
you
accept
the
nomination.
B
B
Okay,
so
and
commissioner
sparks
do
you
have
any
question
and
questions
or
is
there
anyone
you
would
like
to
nominate
you
don't
have,
or
would
you
like
to
nominate
yourself?
You
don't
have
to
nominate
anyone.
H
B
All
right,
so
it
appears
that
we
have
two
nominees,
both
with
jackson
in
their
names,
so
I'll
use
their
full
names
here.
One
nominee
is
commissioner
jackson
pino.
The
other
nominee
is
commissioner,
cynthia
jackson,
commission,
commissioner
penal,
can
you
is
it?
Would
you
like
to
make
a
statement
before
we
before
we
vote.
D
I'd
be
happy
to,
and-
and
thank
you,
commissioner
jackson,
for
your
your
second
nomination.
I
appreciate
that
just
to
provide
just
a
little
bit
of
context
for
anyone
who
wasn't
here
for
our
previous
elections.
D
We
didn't
have
any
form
of
leadership
at
the
beginning
of
this
year,
and
I
was
witness
to
that.
Luckily
enough,
chair,
feruzan
stepped
in
kind
of
just
assumed
a
temporary
position
just
for
the
evening
until
he
was
elected
chair.
D
The
main
point
of
this
I
do
believe
is
just
to
have
someone
to
run
the
parliamentary
procedure
to
making
sure
that
we
have
this
appropriately
transitioned
from
one
leadership
group
to
another.
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
I'm
familiar
with
the
parliamentary
procedure
enough
to
make
sure
that
we
can
transition
onto
whomever.
Is
our
chair
vice
chair
pairing
next
year
and
would
appreciate
your
vote
one
way
or
another.
I
think
we're
gonna
be
happy
and
have
a
successful
team.
I'm
excited
to
see
where
we
head
into
the
new
year.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
jackson
p.
Now,
commissioner,
cynthia
jackson,
would
you
like
to
make
a
statement.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
have
served
on
several
committees
in
different
positions.
Chair
vice
chair
treasurer
secretary,
I'm
fully
versed
in
parliamentary
procedures
and
robert's
rule
of
orders.
G
G
Hood
I
will
serve
wherever
anyone
would
ask
me
to
so
I'm
just
extremely
willing
to
be
a
service
to
this
commission
into
the
city
of
minneapolis.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Pinau
for
your
service
and
your
willingness
to
serve
as
well
so,
and
I
agree
like
who
whoever
takes
this
position.
I
think
that
we'll
be
happy
with
that.
So
thank.
B
You
all
right,
I'm
gonna,
now
go
through
ask
our
commissioners
to
vote
I'll
call
out
your
name
and
please
indicate
whether
you
would
whether
you
are
voting
for
commissioner
cynthia
jackson
or
commissioner
jackson
p
now,
and
I
will
do
my
best
to
do
this
in
alphabetical
order.
Commissioner
abdi.
B
Okay,
commissioner,
sarah.
B
Okay,
commissioner
jackson.
G
B
B
Okay
and
commissioner
sparks.
B
And
as
I'm
the
outgoing
chair,
I
am
going
to
abstain
from
voting,
since
I
think
this
is
a
decision
that
should
be
left
to
the
group
who
will
continue
to
go
on,
so
it
appears
that
we
have
three
votes
for
commissioner,
cynthia
jackson
and
two
votes
for
commissioner
jackson.
Pino.
B
Thank
you
both
for
accepting
your
nominations
and
the
commissioner.
Cynthia
jackson
will
be
serving
as
interim
vice
chair
through
the
january
2021
chair
and
vice
chair
election.
Thank
you
very
much
to
all,
and
just
to
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
my
tallies
right,
miss
lee.
Can
you
confirm
that
I've
I've
tallied
everything
correctly.
A
Yep
our
tallies
are
the
same.
We
have
three
for
commissioner
cynthia
jackson,
two
for
commissioner
jackson,
pinot
and
then
two
two
abstain,
votes.
B
Okay,
so
the
next
item
on
our
list
is
an
update
from
civil
rights
staff
on
our
pending
studies.
It's
my
understanding
that
these
that
the
city
staff
has
continued
to
work
while
we
did
not
have
a
quorum
and
that
they've
made
progress.
B
I've
asked
the
city
staff
to
give
brief
updates
and
to
save
the
detailed
since
they're
at
the
stage
where
all
of
these
all
three
studies
are
currently
in
the
audit
committee
that
they
would
be
that
the
main
the
the
detailed
update
be
given
in
the
next
audit
committee
meeting
so
that
would
be
after
the
chair
is
elected
and
appoints
commissioners
to
the
subcommittees,
and
so
I
expect
that
would
be
in
january
to
january
as
well,
but
this
will
just
be
to
get
a
base
update
on
where
they
might
be
in
in
in
getting
what
they've
done
in
the
time
that
we've
we've
been
without
quorum.
B
So
I
believe
mr
hawkins
are
you?
Are
you
giving
the
update.
N
Chair
for
reason,
yes,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
so
sorry,
everybody,
my
camera's
off
here.
I've
got
a
toddler
screaming
upstairs
so
you'll
have
to
bear
with
me.
I've
got
headphones
on
hope
if
it
gets
too
loud.
Let
me
know
anyways,
okay,
so
some
of
the
outstanding
studies,
one
of
the
first
ones.
We
had
there's
a
series
of
studies
going
on
in
the
city
right
now
around
9-1-1
interactions
and
then
dispatching
or
actually
by
police
department.
N
One
of
the
things
that
jefferson
and
the
pcoc
had
asked
for
was
you
know
kind
of
to
do
the
beginning
exploration
of
a
study
regarding
stops
that
were
that
are
considered
discretionary.
So
it's
something
where
you're
not
dispatched
by
911
you're,
not
flagged
down
by
a
civilian
you're.
Not
you
know
you,
it's
kind
of
you're
out
on
patrol
and
the
stop's
initiated
that
way
we
were
able
to
pull
the
data
set.
N
We
we're
able
to
sit
down
with
some
of
the
data
people
in
the
city
that
are
responsible
for
kind
of
all
the
dashboards.
We
have
up
and
understanding
what
pulls
from
where
and
what
the
back
story
is
for
for
everything
and
from
that
isolate.
What
you
know,
I
think,
is
a
more
representative
sample
of
potential
discretionary
stops.
N
N
One
of
them
is
the
race
data
of
sorry,
like
the
race
and
gender
components
of
this
data
might
pose
some
challenges
because
you
know
if
it
was
a,
it
was
a
vehicle
stop,
even
if
it
was
discretionary,
it's
not
clear
if
there's
a
consistent
application
of
identifying
the
race
or
gender
of
the
individual,
because
there's
just
one
spot,
it's
not
like.
You
identify
multiple
passengers.
N
So
if
something
happens
where
a
vehicle
stopped-
and
you
know
the
passengers
searched
or
arrested,
it's
not
clear
if
the
race
data
is
based
on
the
driver
of
the
vehicle
or
that
individual
on
the
same
with
gender.
So,
like
that's
all
stuff
that
I
think
is
worth
digging
into
just
to
kind
of
see
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
kind
of.
N
You
know
comb
through
this
to
get
a
consistent
method
of
reporting
so
that
you
know
when
we
do
this,
we
don't
have
to
have
this
stage
of
the
process,
but
I
feel,
like
that's,
been
going
fairly.
Well,
we've
got
staff
that
are
also
ready.
There's
a
number
of
stops.
N
There's
not
stops
number
of
data
points
that
we've
identified,
that
we
feel
like
are
more
than
likely
their
foot
patrols
like
either
foot
or
mounted,
or
you
know
a
patrol-
that's
not
in
a
you
know
in
a
vehicle
with
the
computer
that
they
can
enter
everything
in
and
it's
like
by
in
the
way
that
this
has
been
we
kind
of
came
to
this
conclusion
is
that
it's
missing
certain
components
that
seems
like
you
know
would
be
missing
if
somebody
had
initiated
a
stop
but
didn't
have
something
with
them
at
that
moment
to
enter
in
this
data.
N
So
I
think
that's
something
we
want
to
discuss
with
the
group
as
well
kind
of
determine
how
we
want
to
move
forward
with
this,
and
you
know,
do
we
want
to
pull
a
representative
sample
and
have
staff
go
into
the
computer-aided
dispatch
records,
the
public
information
management
system,
like
you
know,
and
to
just
kind
of
get
behind
you
know
what
might
be
missing
from
these
and
see
if
there's
any
trends
that
are
there.
So
that's
the
discretionary
stops
the
coaching
stuff.
N
As
far
as
you
know,
this
is
something
that
was
kind
of
brought
forward,
just
sort
of
an
update.
There
was
actually
a
study
that
was
done,
I
believe
in
late
2017
on
coaching
for
the
pcoc,
and
so
what
I've
actually
done
is
sort
of
pulled.
That
and
kind
of
we've
been
looking
through
that
data
to
kind
of
see
what.
How
can
we
do,
a
continuation
of
that
work
and
like
what
would
that
entail?
N
As
far
as
you
know,
a
lift
from
staff-
and
I
think
you
know
we
had
now-
that
we
have
some
more
people
that
have
access
to
these
systems.
You
know
it
should
become
a
little
bit
easier,
but
I
know
one
of
the
things
they
had
done
here.
They
looked
at
how
much
time
does
it?
You
know
the
process
take.
What
does
the
average
report
look
like
in
terms
of
you
know
like
what's
the
length
of
the
the
response
is?
N
Is
it
something
where
it's
just
a
one
page
or
a
half
a
page
or
you
know,
are
they
you
know
looking
at
this
more
in
depth?
And
you
know
it's
a
four
to
five
pages
of
you
know
of
a
write-up.
Do
they
talk
to
the
complaint
and
do
they
not,
and
so
all
that
was
valuable
information,
and
so
it
kind
of
seemed
like
a
logical
opportunity
to
look
to
see
if
we
can
build
out
any
of
those
components.
N
Knowing
that
you
know
I
staff
and
you
know
weren't
like
a
lot
of
that,
we're
not
staff.
Sorry,
commissioners,
you
know
a
lot
of
you,
obviously
weren't
present
for
that
study.
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
kind
of
go
through
that
and
see
what
value
there
might
be
in
picking
up
some
of
those
pieces
and
maybe
building
them
out
to
kind
of
encompass
more
recent
data,
that's
available
and
then
kind
of
figure
out
what
you
know,
what
we
have
the
capacity
for
and
I'll
go
from
there
to
see.
N
If
that's
a
value
as
to
the
I
know
the
collaborative
study
with
the
trans
equity
committee,
I
don't
know
aberia
if
you
wanted
to
speak
to
that
at
all.
A
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
share
a
couple
updates
from
that.
So
we
the
last
time
that
the
audit
committee
had
an
update
about
the
study
that
is
being
done
in
collaboration
with
the
trans
equity
council,
which
is
on
hate,
crime
reporting
and
the
question
kind
of
is
around
whether
or
not
hate
crimes
against
trans
and
gender
non-conforming
people
are
are
being
under-reported.
A
So
we
had
presented
some
initial
information
in
the
last
couple
months.
We've
connected
with
the
former
analyst
research
analyst
in
the
office
police
conduct
review
just
to
try
to
learn
more
about
the
the
process
of
doing
an
audit,
and
he
had
reminded
us
that
his
very
first
audit
that
he
completed
took
around
18
months.
So
we
were
very
lucky
in
the
last
couple
years
to
have
a
very
industrious
person
in
the
civil
rights
department
who
had
really
fine-tuned
a
lot
of
his
his
processes
to
get
through
these
studies.
A
So
we
are
just
like
thankful
for
the
the
patients,
as
we
are,
are
learning
more
more
about
the
process
and
learning
how
to
look
for
the
right
things
in
the
in
the
data.
So
we
are
I'm
looking
forward
to
having
more
of
a
deep
update
for
you
all
at
the
next
audit
subcommittee
meeting
and
we've
also
been
reaching
out
to
some
community
partners
to
try
to
get
some
just
a
fuller
picture
of
the
background
information
that
needs
to
be
involved
in
this
study.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
lee
and
mr
hawkins,
the
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
questions
from
our
from
our
commissioners.
Commissioners,
if
you
don't
have
questions,
that's
fine!
B
If
you're
on
the
audit
committee,
if
you're
appointed
to
the
audit
committee
by
the
new
chair
in
january
you'll,
be
getting
a
more
detailed
update
with
the
proposed
methodology
for
the
study
and
if
that's,
if
that
gets
approved
by
the
audited
subcommittee,
it'll
come
to
the
commission
as
a
whole
to
approve.
So
even
if
you're,
not
on
the
audit
subcommittee,
you
will
get
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
influence
the
the
methodology.
B
But
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
one
thing.
Mr
hawkins,
with
the
coaching
study
you
had
mentioned,
going
kind
of
revisiting
some
of
the
metrics
that
we
looked
at
in
the
past
study,
but
I
think
that's
in
addition
to
kind
of
the
parameters
we
directed,
because
I
think
the
parameters
we
directed
were
kind
of.
What
is
coaching
when
when
is
it?
When
is
it
used
and
is
it
you
know
kind
of
verifying
that
it
is
used
for
the
type
of
violations,
a
level
violations
that
it
should
be?
B
And
then
opening
up
and
then
what's
the
policy
you
know
exp
finding
out
what
the
policy
reasons
behind
mpd's
and
I
guess
the
city's
use
of
coaching
and
determining-
and
I
think
the
recommendations
that
would
come
later
from
the
pclc
would
be
whether
co
you
know
the
city
mpd
should
continue
coaching
as
a
practice
and,
if
so,
really
taking
a
closer
look
at
what
violations
should
be
eligible
for
coaching
versus
further
investigation
is
so
is,
is
what
you
kind
of
were
talking
about.
N
And
I
apologize
for
that
again,
I'm
kind
of
forgetting
that
not
everybody's
inside
my
head
right
now,
so
no
you're
completely
right.
N
I
think
one
of
the
valuable
things
to
do
from
this
is
yeah,
of
course,
like
I'm
addressing
every
one
of
those
things
that
you
mentioned
and
kind
of
seeing
how,
if
you
know
like
to
the
degree
that
we're
able
you
know
how
is
this
transformed
since
we
last
looked
at
it,
you
know
what
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
would
have
qualified
under
that
category
versus
you
know,
then
versus
you
know
now
and
kind
of
and
again
like
they
might
beg
the
question
like
we
know
if
there
were
changes,
how
come
so.
N
Yes,
all
of
those
will
absolutely
be
a
major
part
of
this.
B
Excellent
because
I
think
that's
data
that
would
probably-
and
again
maybe
I'm
getting
two
in
the
weeks
for
the
moment,
but
that's
data
that
would
be
useful
for
assessing
whether
coaching
is
meeting
the
intended
policy
purpose
so
like
if
we're
looking
at
the
the
stated
policy
purpose
behind
coaching
that
on
why
mpd
and
the
city,
you
know
why
it's
a
good
tool
to
have.
We
can
see
if
it's
producing
the
results
that
we
would
expect
such
a
tool
to
have
great
so
I'll,
go
in
alphabetical
order
again.
C
Yes
in
this
is
regard
to
the
coaching
policy
or
excuse
me
coaching,
study
several
meetings
ago,
so
this
has
been
some
months.
There
was
discussion
within
the
city
of
having
a
certain.
I
think
they
called
it
a
working
group
where
there
would
be
city
leaders
at
the
table,
including
you
know,
hr
the
police
city
attorney,
like
all
the
all
the
interested
parties.
C
If
you
will-
and
at
that
time,
which
has
been
several
months,
the
working
group
hadn't
started
up
yet,
but
there
was
a
consensus
of
this
group
that
if
there
were
to
be
such
a
working
group,
that
pcoc
should
have
his
seat
at
that
table
and
be
part
of
that
discussion.
C
So
I'm
wondering
perhaps
mr
hawkins
can
answer
this,
perhaps
not
if,
if
there's
any
update,
if
that
working
group
is
in
fact
taking
place
any
update.
N
Commissioner,
sarah,
no
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
I
don't
believe
I
was
familiar
with
it,
but
I
mean
which
doesn't
mean
anything.
It
could
have
been
a
discussion
that
happened
elsewhere,
but
I
have
not
heard
any
updates
on
it.
The
last
I
think,
communication
I'd
seen
around
this
topic
was
the
communication
of
the
city
attorney's
office
in
response
to
chairperson's
request.
B
And
commissioner,
sarah
you
had
mentioned
that
you
would
talk
to,
I
think,
either
city
council
member
who,
who
was
that
who
said
that
there
would
be
he
would
put
together
a
work
or
he
or
she
would
put
together
a
work
group.
C
It
was
actually
an
email
correspondence.
From
goodness
I
believe,
casey
carl
and
a
few
others
were
on
that
email
and.
C
I
I
don't
have
the
email
in
front
of
me,
I
I
apologize.
I
don't
remember
who,
who
all
it
was?
There
were
multiple
city
leaders
or
office
heads
that
were
involved
in
that
conversation?
Do
you.
B
Know
if
there
were
any
council
members
we
can
ping
to
see.
I
know
I
know
council
is
busy,
but
you
know
if
it's
who
who'd
you
know
if
we
could
identify
who
is
not
doing
something.
C
Well,
I
believe
council
member
andrew
johnson
was
the
one
who
kind
of
put
me
into
that
that
discussion
and
council
member
palmisano
spoke
at
this
commission
meeting
at
the
same
time
that
this
discussion
was
happening
and
council
member
paul
lozano
was
the
one
who
said
that
pcoc
should
have
a
seat
at
that
table.
Whenever
that
table
was
open.
You
know
so
perhaps
council,
member
johnson
and
council
member
palmosana
would
be
good
places
to
start.
C
B
All
right
any
any
further
questions.
C
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
jackson.
Any
quote
any
questions
for
mr
hawkins
or
miss
lee.
B
All
right-
and
I
don't
have
any
further
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
hawkins,
and
miss
lee.
I
do
want
to
thank
you
know.
While
we're
on
the
topic
of
the
city
work,
I
do
want
to
thank
the
city
staff,
especially
commissioner
director
jafar
and
mr
hawkins,
and
especially
miss
lee.
I
I
I
don't
know
how
much
the
public
public
knows,
but
miss
maria
lee
is.
B
I
know
our
commissioners
probably
get
a
sense
of
this,
but
she
is
really
kind
of
the
the
backbone
of
our
commission.
She
is
the
engine
that
makes
us
able
to
work.
She
keeps
us
updated
on
the
research
that
that's
going
on
and
she
helped
us
seamlessly
transition
into
doing
these
meetings
remotely,
which
I
think
has,
I
think,
she's
directly
responsible
for
kind
of
the
inclusivity
we've
been
able
to
move
towards
in
these
meetings.
B
Like
I
said
before,
when
we
were
meeting
in
person,
it
might
be
really
hard
for
someone
who
lived
far
away
from
city
hall,
especially
if
you're
relying
on
public
transportation
to
to
come
to
a
meeting
or
if
you
were
a
single
parent
or
if
you
were
just
someone
who
had
might
have
child
care
issues
at
the
time,
it'd
be
very
challenging
to
meaningfully
not
just
as
a
commissioner,
but
as
a
regular
resident
of
minneapolis
participate
in
these
meetings.
B
So
I
you
know,
I
I
just
can't
thank
miss
lee
enough
for
all
her
work
in
making
us
more
accessible
and
more
inclusive,
as
a
commission
for
our
commissioners
and
as
well
as
for
the
the
public
as
a
whole.
B
With
that
miss
lee
mentioned
the
the
former
analyst
who
worked
with
the
with
the
commission.
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
him
as
well.
His
name
is
mr
ryan,
patrick.
He
is
now
the
interim
head
of
internal
audit.
I
believe,
but
he
he
all
the
research
projects
that
you've
seen
seen
us
do
in
the
past.
He
was
you
know
he
was
the.
B
He
was
the
one
doing
all
the
all.
The
research
and
allowing
us
to
guide
it
and
shape
it,
but
he
was
doing
all
the
heavy,
lifting
and
refining
our
processes
so
that
we
would
have
credible,
credible
work
product
and
it
really
helped
us
build
legitimacy
with,
I
believe
the
public
and
with
mpd
you
know
there
was
a.
B
There
was
a
time
where
mpd
might
not
have
taken
all
the
record
taken
recommendations
that
come
out
that
come
out
of
a
body
like
this,
but
now
they
do
and
they
take
it
seriously
and
I
think
that's
because
of
the
excellent
work
product
that
was
put
out
by
the
members
of
the
commission,
but
also
the
on
on
the
back
of
the
work
being
done
by
mr
patrick.
So
thank
you.
B
If
you're
listening,
mr
patrick,
thank
you
you
are,
I
have
no
idea
how
you
you've
done
all
that
you
you
have
done,
but
it's
incredible
and
internal
audit
is
fortunate
to
have
you
and
we're
fortunate
to
have
a
partner
like
that
who
in
internal
audit,
because
I
know
we
frequently
can
partner
with
internal
audit
to
collaborate
on
studies.
So
it's
a
very
good
resource
and
once
again
thank
you
to
the
city
staff.
B
I
know
that
we
are.
You
are
short
staffed,
mr
hawkins,
how
many
investigators,
or
do
you
currently
have
or
how
many
case
investigators
do
you
currently
have.
N
As
of
right
now,
we
have
two
full-time
case
investigators,
so
two
two
full-time
civilian
case:
investigators
with
an
lpcr.
Obviously
ia
has
their
own
compliment,
but
there's
two
civilian
case:
investigators
and
there's
one
again
like
the
classification
still
case
investigator,
but
we
consider
them
to
be
an
intake
investigator
and
then
we
have
one
for
those
positions,
that's
frozen,
so
obviously
they.
You
know
the
case.
N
Investigators
are
responsible,
for
you
know
the
more
deep
dive
investigations
of
cases,
but,
although
one
you
know,
I
would
say
approximately
100
of
the
complaints
that
are
filed,
whether
people
identify
that
they
would
prefer
a
civilian
or
a
sworn
investigator,
or
they
select
no
preference.
The
intake
investigator
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
or
for
the
city
of
minneapolis.
Obviously,
please
contribute
is
responsible
for
100
of
those
intakes
before
they're
routed
out
to
respective
investigators.
Sorry,
that
was
a
very
long-winded
answer
for
a
very
short
question.
N
Yep
that's
correct
and
we
out
we
have
one
that's
frozen,
and
it's
also
worth
noting
that
one
of
our
our
intake
investigator
is
out
on
personally
for
right
now
for
a
new
addition
to
the
family.
So
hopefully
she's,
okay
with
me,
sharing
that,
but
we
have
so.
We've
had
to
kind
of
move
staff
around
to
help
us
in
that
area.
So.
B
Well,
thank
you
for
doing
that,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
for
new
commissioners
that
we
are
in
my
personal
opinion.
I
don't
want
to
speak,
for
the
commission
is
that
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
is
not
appropriately
staffed
for
the
number
of
complaints
that
it
receives,
or
the
number
of
sworn
officers
that
it
has.
B
If
you
compare
it
to
similar
civilian
organizations
or
civilian
kind
of
police
oversight,
organizations
like
portland,
which
has
receives
roughly
a
hundred
less
complaints
than
than
mpd
per
year
and
has
roughly
the
same
number
of
sworn
officers,
they
have
eight
investigators
versus
the
three
that
we
have.
They
have
three
analysts,
whereas
we
have
one
which
is
subject
to
a
hiring
freeze
now,
and
you
know
even
comparing
it
to
a
city
like
cleveland,
which
has
maybe
a
third
of
the
complaints.
B
They
have
10
civilian
investigators
compared
to
r3.
So
you
know
it's
it's
troubling
and
I
hope
that
city
council
funds,
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
better
to
create
more
positions.
I
was
a
little
disappointed
that
council
member
andrew
johnson
made
a
motion
to
potentially
take
away
two
additional
case
investigators
that
that
were
allocated
to
mpd,
fortunately
his.
I
don't
believe
his
motion
passed,
but
in
the
future.
B
I
would
hope
that
mr
johnson
would
actually
look
at
the
data
that
comes
out
of
the
city
talk
to
city
staff
when
he
is
making
those
decisions,
because
if
his
motion
had
passed,
it
might
have
made
it
even
more
difficult
for
civilian
oversight
to
exist
and
to
actually
be
meaningful
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
B
It's
it's
disappointing
that
a
council
member
would
not
would
not
kind
of
even
ask
city
staff
for
data
relative
to
that
relates
to
staffing
and
complaints
before
making
a
motion
like
that.
B
So
I
can
say
things
like
that
now,
since
it's
my
last
meeting,
but
without
further
ado,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
on
our
agenda,
which
is
case
summaries,
so
commissioners
and
public
if
you're
not
familiar
every
week
or
every
month.
We
look
at
case
summaries,
which
are
we
look
at
10
case
summaries,
and
we
pick
three
of
those
that
we'll
review
next
month
and
they'll
pro
city
staff
will
provide
a
more
detailed
summary.
B
So
we
could
look,
look
at
them
and
it's
opportunity
to
understand
more
about
kind
of
the
the
complaint
process.
Understand
more
about
police
procedure,
just
kind
of
see
take
a
more
detailed
look
at
individual
cases.
Generally
there
isn't
any
action
weak.
This
body
can
take
on
these
cases,
other
than
use
it
as
a
data
point,
but
it
is
a
valuable
data
point
and
I
do
apologize
to
our
current
commissioners.
B
B
I
think
I
forgot
that
you
hadn't
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
these
data
points
frequently.
So
I
apologize
and
that's
why
I've
kind
of
put
it
here
so
hopefully
it
becomes
continues
to
be
a
regular
part
of
that.
But
without
that,
let's
turn
to
the
case
summary
for
12
or
20
1202
and
mr
hawkins,
who,
who
is
available
to
to
speak
on
that.
N
I'm
sorry
I
admitted
myself,
I
believe
maria,
do
you
have
a
background
on
these,
so
I
like
in
the
ability
to
speak
to
them.
A
Yes,
so
I
did
not
write
these
up.
I
will
say
that
these
were
written
up
about
seven
months
ago
when
you
initially
selected
them
in
march,
so
I
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
like
talk
through
what
is
in
the
documents
that
were
sent
to
you.
Let
me
just
stop
sharing
my
screen.
Oh
okay,.
B
B
Typically,
we
would
have
the
investigator
who
wrote
the
summaries
available
I'll
just
go
around
and
see
if
any
commissioners
have
have
questions
on
either
20
on
any
of
the
cases,
basically
20
1202,
20,
1203,
20,
1201
and
then
we'll
go
back
around
and
talk
about
each
of
them
individually.
B
Commissioner,
abdi,
do
you
do
you
have
any
questions
about
those
case?
Summaries
number,
20,
1202,
03
and
01.
C
C
B
This
is
it
so.
This
is
a
summary
of
data,
since
all
our
meetings
are
public,
they
summarize
it
so
that
kind
of
data
that
might
be
private
is
can
be
summarized
in
a
form
that
that
allows
it
to
be
public
subject
to
our
open
meeting
laws.
So
this
this
is
it
we.
We
don't
see
video
or
look
at
the
underlying.
B
Documentation
and
if
I
mean
I
think
if
city
member
city
staff
member
might
be
able
to
give
a
more
detailed
explanation
on
why,
but
that's
my
experience
with
the
practice
of
this.
N
N
N
If,
if
there's
a
case,
that's
selected
where
there
was
something
you
know
qualifying
as
discipline
pursuing
with
the
minnesota
data
practices,
I
act
like
that
case
would
come
across
at
least
my
understanding
of
it
with
everything
you
know
I
mean,
obviously,
all
that
would
be
public
as
well,
because
that's
the
way
the
case
was
resolved,
but
in
in
those
situations
it
would
come
through
with
everything
that
was
affiliated
with
the
case.
N
However,
the
ones
that,
if
it's,
you
know
if
it's
dismissed,
if
it's
because
it's
considered
an
administrative
enforcement
function,
it's
like
that
kind
of
hr
adjacent
side
which
kind
of
limits
it's
it.
It's
subject
to
the
data
practices
stuff
that
revolves
around
all
of
that
for
requests.
So
there's
not
a
lot
else
that
I
believe
can
be
shared.
N
So
I
mean,
I
think,
the
idea
when
they
had
done
this
in
the
past.
I
know
there's
been
a
couple
of
research
and
studies.
Another
couple
I
think
a
lot
of
them
have
been
like
something
that
have
come
from
this
process,
just
by
going
through
and
kind
of
reading,
like
various
case
synopsis
and
expanded
summaries
that
are
available
even
with
redacted
data
kind
of
following
through
the
process
and
seeing
what
the
allegations
were.
What
has
happened?
It's
an
opportunity
to
identify
any
areas
where
it
seems
like
there's.
N
You
know
like
a
consistent
pattern
or
practice
or
trend,
that's
occurring
and
like
basically
kind
of
ask
for
a
deeper
dive
into
that,
like
timing
topic
as
a
whole,
as
opposed
to
the
individual
case,
because,
obviously
you
know,
since
it's
a
the
way
that
they're
classified
it's
like,
we
can't
really
go
back
and
re-you,
know
litigate
or
hear
like
those
cases,
but
it's
an
opportunity
to
identify
patterns
and
practices.
C
Excuse
me
excuse,
I
thought
I
was
doing
better
on
technology,
so
I'm
sorry
do
I
still
get
technology
points.
How
can
we
identify
a
pattern
or
a
practice
if
we're
only
looking
at
you
know
three
cases
out
of
I
know
you
all
receive
hundreds
of
complaints.
C
C
B
So
I
can,
I
can
answer
that
a
little
bit
so
when
I
started
on
the
commission,
we
had
what
was
called
the
issue
tracking
queue,
which
was
literally
a
excel
spreadsheet,
where
we
kept
track
of
we
kept
after
looking
at
com
complaints,
we
categorized
issues
and
put
them
into
a
queue.
B
I
apologize,
I
think
I'm
having
a
toddler
tantrum
in
the
background,
but
since
then
I
know
mr
patrick
one
thing
we
were
working
on
in
the
in
2019
with
mr
patrick,
and
so
unfortunately
I
I
don't
it,
it
hasn't
continued
and
I
think
we
need
to
hire
someone
with
the
technical
expertise
to
do
it
was
we
were
building
expanding
on
that
dashboard.
B
So
if
you
look
at
the,
I
believe
it's
still
currently
housed
on
the
policy
and
procedure
portion
of
our
website,
I
can
send
out
a
link
and
maria.
Perhaps
we
could
put
it
on
the
agenda,
but
it
is
kind
of
a
summary
of
all
the
things,
so
you
could
look
and
see
the
volume
of
complaints
and
it
categorizes
the
complaints
and
where
there
is
a
complaint
summary
available.
It
links
to
the
complaint
summary.
B
What
we
were,
what
we
had
been
working
on
in
audit
was
expanding
that
so
that
it
would
include
all
complaint
information
on
all
complaints
that
come
in
and
I
do
believe
it
includes
a
it
includes
a
lot.
So
if
you
look
at
it
now,
but
that's
something
that
the
commission
and
hopefully
if
the
city
will
fund
the
positions
for
the
opcr.
B
I
think
that
I
agree
that
would
be
a
very
valuable
tool
and
it
was
something
we
were
working
on
and
that
kind
of
got
stalled
out
with
the
hiring
freezes,
but
it
it
it.
I
I
think
if
you
look
at
it,
it
is-
and
I
wish
I
could
share
my
screen.
B
It
is
a
it
is
a
valuable
tool
because
you
can
look
and
categorize
by
a
kind
of
general
complaint
type
and
then
I
think
you
can
winnow
down
to
the
policy
and
then
look
at
the
complaint
number
see
where
the
summary
is
so
yeah.
I
I
think
that
is
the
kind
of
thing
you're
looking
for
basically
a
database
of
all
the
complaints,
and
so
that
that
is
something
that
I
think
the
commission
can
continue
to
work
on
and
help
the
help
kind
of
shape.
B
C
Okay,
thank
you
that
does
help.
C
N
This,
I
was
gonna
say
too,
I
mean
like
this
is
actually
something
like
the
database
he's
mentioning
like
I'll,
have
maria
find
the
link
and
we'll
throw
it
in
there,
but
it's
yeah
it's
great
and
like
we
want
that.
N
We've
actually
already
like
contacted
it,
because,
like
once,
we,
you
know
again,
just
like
you're
all
kind
of
coming
into
the
work
like
our
new
members,
like
you
know,
murray,
and
I
have
obviously
like
not
been
in
the
support
role
for
as
long
so
you
know
as
we've
kind
of
stumbled
across
some
of
this
stuff.
It's
you
know,
realized
it's
value
like
we've
been
kind
of
trying
to
work
with
it
and
fill
those
gaps.
You
know
they
just
aren't
there.
N
You
know
we
had
the
person
that
maintained
this,
that
you
know
moved
on.
We've
had
people
in
it
that
we're
kind
of
our
point
people
for
this
that
have
moved
on.
So
I
think
you
know
finding
the
people
that
can
help
us
sort
of
reverse
engineer
like
you
know
how
all
of
this
was
linked
behind
the
scenes
so
that
we
can
get
it
updated
to
contain.
You
know
as
much
as
it
possibly
can
is
super
valuable,
so
we'll
find
the
link.
N
It's
it's
yeah
and
I
think
it's
a
great
resource,
but
you
know
you're
right.
It's
like
it's
coming
in
fresh,
it's
hard
to
like.
If
you
haven't,
we
haven't
done
this
process
before
so
it's
like
how
do
you
identify
trends?
If
you
don't
know
and
like?
I
think
this
is
a
really
just
having
looked
at
it
briefly,
it's
a.
I
think
it's
a
really
good
tool,
but
even
just
not
again
not
you
know
not
having,
like
you
know
the
series
that
you
know
like
the
experience.
N
I
guess
your
first
had
with
like
looking
at
multiple
wheat.
You
know
like
months
old
month
over
month
of
case
studies.
You
know
if
there
is
something
that
seems
questionable.
You
know
and
it's
like
well,
I
don't
understand
why
this
went
this
route.
I
mean
I
feel
like
that
in
and
of
itself
is
you
know
that
has
the
potential
to
be
like
something:
that's
explored
just
just
to
kind
of
get
that
base
there,
and
so
that's
not
me
speaking
to
you,
like
that's
just
me
speaking
to
like
even
my
own
experience
coming
into
this.
N
So
hopefully
that's
helpful
but
I'll
yield.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
helpful
to
know
it's
it's
a
kind
of
stinks
that
you're
you're
under
you're,
so
severely,
understaffed
and
and
for
what
it's
worth
I
have
advocated
very
strongly
for
for
funding,
opcr
and
civil
rights
department.
For
this
very
reason,
so,
thank
you,
mr
hawkins.
C
If
I'm,
if
I
still
have
some
time,
I
do
have
questions
about
like
very
granular
questions
about
the
specific
cases,
so
I
believe
chair
furuzon.
You
asked
about
2012
o2
case
study
and
then
it
was
case
summary
data
number
three
right.
Where
is
that
one?
C
C
This
was
exonerated
the
officer
that
that
nothing
there
was
no
basis.
So
I'm
understanding
that
we're
not
going
to
see
the
video
that
I
just
want
to
raise
this
issue
and
hopefully
further
discussion
with
future
pcoc
meetings
that
that
makes
it
hard
well
impossible
for
me
really
to
kind
of
offer
any
comment
on
this
in
order
to
be
fair
to
the
complainant
and
also
to
the
officer,
I
guess
I'd
want
to
see
that
video.
C
Of
course,
following
state
laws
around
data
practices,
but
you
know
that's
what
we
we're
going
to
need
in
order
to
do
oversight,
and
I
did
have
questions
related
to
the
other
two,
so
20-12-03
case
study,
which
is
case,
summary
data
number
10..
C
I
did
have
some
comments
on
this
one
question.
Well,
I'm
not
going
to
get
any
more
information,
so
this
is
so
no
more
questions.
C
C
The
discipline
matrix
designates,
that
is
a
level
b
violation
with
a
a
disciplinary
range
of
a
20.
Excuse
me
a
10
to
20
hours
of
suspension,
but
yet
this
was
designated
as
coaching
and
non-disciplinary.
C
So
my
question,
which
won't
be
answered
today,
is
what
you
know
what
happened.
C
You
know
both
things
could
be
true,
and
then
I
have
the
same
thing
about
the
last
remaining
summary,
which
is
number
shoot.
C
Sorry
2012-01
case
summary
number,
eight
again
checking
it
acro
against
the
archived
manual.
C
This
should
be,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
b
level
violation,
at
least
I
think
so,
and
there
are
some
facts
here
that
make
me
think
that
this
should
definitely
not
qualify
for
coaching,
in
particular,
that
that
the
officer
apparently-
and
I'm
just
saying
apparently
because
I
don't
have
the
file,
but
it
was
sustained
that
the
officer
used
inappropriate
language
towards
victims
of
domestic
abuse
and
did
not
file
a
police
report
in
a
in
a
case
of
domestic
abuse
and
that's
a
that's,
a
very
serious
transgression,
and
there
was
an
entire
case
study
done
by
opcr
about
that
problem
within
the
police
force
that
they
don't
take
domestic
violence
seriously
and
they
don't
file
police
reports.
C
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Sarah
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
to
to
you
and
the
commissioners
that
generally
when
we
do
have
the
into
the
investigator
or
the
city
staff
who
who
wrote
the
summary
they
are
able
to
provide
some
some
additional
background
information
and
and
may
be
able
to
answer
those
questions.
So
please
continue
to
ask
those
questions,
because
I
do
think
that
a
lot
of
times
they
are
able
to
give
more
detail
about
it.
B
One
once
like
on
on
some
a
lot
of
the
questions
we
do
ask,
and
you
know
you
mentioned
the
data
practice
act.
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
would
be
the
one
of
the
laws
that
are
implemented
are
the
open
meeting
laws.
So
I
I
guess
I
would
ask
mr
fosse,
if
you
could
work
with
city
staff
to
to
see
if
we
could
make
sure
that
we're
providing
as
much
information
as
we
can
to
to
the
commissioners
during
our
public
meetings.
That'd
be
great.
So
thank.
B
Yeah
yep,
thank
you
and
it's
not
my
time.
It's
all
yours
so,
and
the
the
commission
so
take
as
much
time
as
you
want
for
all
the
commissioners.
This
is
important
work.
So
don't
don't
not
ask
questions
if
you
have
them
just
to
save
time.
F
Well,
I
think
the
first
thing
is
is
I
am
having
a
hard
time
here
following
along,
because
I'm
not
sure
if
I
received
all
of
the
documents
or
perhaps
they
are
here
and
I
just
can't
find
them
I
did
see.
I
have
a
summary
of
some
of
the
cases,
but
it's
it's
very
very
little.
So
I'm
wondering
if
that's
what
commissioner
sarah
was
talking
about
when
she
said,
there's
not
a
lot
of
detail,
but
there
are
things
that
she
mentioned,
that
I
did
not
see.
B
So
one
one
place
to
go
is:
if
you
go
to
the
our
underlying
agenda,
you
can
you
can
access
that
in
the
on
the
minneapolis
calendar
there
are
links,
and
so,
if
the
public's
listening
along
they're
under
this
agenda
item,
there
are
links,
one
is
for
case
synopsis
and.
B
20
20.
and
those
are
the
summaries-
are
kind
of
this,
not
very
they're,
a
list
of
10
cases
that
we
will
vote
on
so
that
we
can
review
them
next
month
and
then
underneath
those
they're,
something
called
case
summaries
or
three
of
them
numbered
20,
1202,
20,
1203
and
20
1201.
B
Those
are
the
case
summaries,
so
those
are
the
cases
that
we
voted
on
last
time
we
did
the
show
back
in
march,
and
and
so
now,
we're
just
getting
a
look
at
them
and
asking
kind
of
so
that,
based
on,
we
voted
them
on
them.
Based
on
the
brief
synopsis
and
the
city
staff
wrote
more
detailed
summaries
to
review.
B
So,
if
you
look
in
the
agenda,
you
you
should
be
able
to
find
them
there
and,
if
you'd
like,
I
can
return
to
you
in
in
a
few
minutes
I'll
go
through
the
other
commissioners,
so
you
have
a
chance
to
to
pull
those
up.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
commission,
commissioner
jackson.
G
Yeah,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
things:
I'd
like
to
have
cleared
up
the
documents
that
I
received
through
the
email.
I
have
the
the
20-1201
o2
and
o3.
I
have
those
and
I
also
have
a
document
that
is
public
case
synopses.
G
G
And
I'm
I'm
not
quite
sure,
are
they
supposed
to
correlate
somehow
to
these
case
summary
documents
that
we're
looking
at
tonight.
B
No
the
case
summaries
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
will
not
correlate
with
the
case.
Okay
synopses
the
case
synopsis
will
correlate
with
you're
going
to
select
from
the
case
synopsis.
You'll
select
three
cases
for
which
you'll
get
the
summaries.
Okay
in
at
the
january
meeting.
G
G
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Pino.
D
Hello,
I'm
glad,
commissioner,
sarah
brought
up
the
main
concerns.
I
I
was
speaking
with
her
just
shortly
before
this,
and
I
agree
that
we
that
there
are
some
major
concerns,
particularly
with
case
summary
data
10.,
another
point
just
because
I'm
unfamiliar
with
the
terminology.
D
It
says
here
in
the
pym's
summary
of
evidence
that
the
victim
committed,
completed
apologies,
the
domestic
abuse,
supplement
and
medical
release
form
I
believe,
leave.
I
don't
want
to
make
the
assumption,
but
I
assume
that
that
is
the
documents
that
the
complainant
believes
that
she
was
forced
or
coerced
to
fill
out.
I'd
love
for
someone
to
confirm
that
for
me
or
tell
me
otherwise,
and
she
was
given
a
quote
blue
card.
Could
please,
mr.
B
Anyone,
commissioner
pino,
can
you
let's
let
me
see
if
the
city
staff
can
answer
your
first
question,
then
I'll,
then
you
can
ask
your
follow-up
miss
lee,
mr
hawkins,
can
you
clarify
that
point?
If
are
you
guys
able
to
answer
that?
For
commissioner
p
now.
A
This
is
ms
lee
andrew
stop
me
if
I,
if
I
can't
share
this,
but
I
did
actually
read
this
case,
so
yes,
your
commissioner
commission,
commissioner
p,
now
your
question
around
what
document
she
had
felt
coerced
to
fill
out
was
kind
of
that
follow-up.
Like
medical
document.
D
And
again,
to
the
extent
that
you're
able
to
share
this
with
the
public
can,
can
we
just
get
an
understanding
of
these
medical
release
forms
whether
or
not
they're?
You
know
required
by
city
ordinance
that
the
police
officer
have
these
filled
out
before
they're
allowed
to.
D
You
know
relieve
someone
from
being
detained
by
the
police
in
any
way,
just
understanding
whether
or
not
it
was
a
a
point
of
discretion
by
the
police
officer
or
whether
or
not
it
was
mandatory
for
this
release
form
to
be
signed.
A
This
is
miss
lee
commissioner
pinau.
I
I
believe
in
my
reading
of
the
case
documents
that,
because
of
the
the
nature
of
the
case,
the.
A
Yeah,
because
of
the
nature
of
the
domestic
abuse
call,
the
documents
had
to
be
filled
out.
D
Okay,
and
and
can
you
my
other
question-
is
what
is
a
blue
card,
I'm
unfamiliar
with
that
terminology,
and
I
assume
other
members
of
the
public
are
too.
A
This
is
miss
lee,
my
sharpino,
I
actually
don't
know
what
a
blue
card
is
either.
So
sorry
that
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
we
can
get
that
answer
for
you,
I'm
sure
oh
lynnae,
commissioner
jacobson,
I
see
your
hand
is
raised.
I
believe.
F
The
blue
card
is
the
little
card
that
they
hand
you
after
you
get
done
with
your
case,
and
the
officer
takes
your
information,
writes
the
report.
They
gave
you
a
blue
card
with
your
case
number
on
it
and
their
badge
number
and
the
officer
so
that
you
can
follow
up
on
the
case.
N
And
commissioner
p
now
I
was
gonna
say
that
this
is
andrew
hawkins
with
the
civil
rights
department,
I'm
just
gonna
like
add
on
really
quickly
yep.
The
blue
card
is
what
officers
mpd
officers
should
be
giving
to
people
after
an
interaction.
It's
whatever
the
police,
equivalent
of
a
house.
Might
you
know
how's
my
driving?
It
gives
them
all
the
information
on
how
to
file
a
complaint
as
a
reference
number
on
it.
N
D
Yeah
and
just
another
point
that
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
that
I'm
not
crazy
here,
I'm
I
have
the
policy
manual
on
one
side
of
my
computer,
while
I'm
looking
at
the
particular
mdp
policy
and
procedures
that
are
referenced,
and
I
just
happen
to
like
to
look
at
these,
it
doesn't
seem
as
though
they're
referencing
correctly,
I'm
again
I'm.
D
This
is
not
saying
that
I
think
that
they're
wrong.
It's
just
I'm
reading
things
that
don't
seem
to
be
germane
to
the
topic
at
hand,
and
I
I
do
not
believe
I
have
an
archive
version.
I'm
looking
at
the
page
right
now
and
it
says
last
updated
june,
16th
2020.
A
Commissioner
pino,
I
would
love
to
answer
that
question.
This
is
miss
lee,
so
the
because
the
case
that
you're
looking
at
that
was
it
occurred
in
2019
the
it
doesn't
act.
The
the
policies
that
are
referenced
have
since
been
updated.
I
believe
it
was
it
was
this
year
it
was
the
summer
of
2020,
so
some
of
those
numbers
have
shifted
around.
A
So
if
you-
and
I
I'd,
sent
an
email
out
to
all
commissioners
and
apologies
for
the
late
notice
on
this-
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
sarah
for
catching
this
as
well
in
your
review
of
the
documents,
so
you
just
have
to
refer
to
an
archived
version
of
the
mpd
handbook
to
find
the
right
to
find
the
the
numbers
from
the
right
time
and
if
you
need
any
help
doing
that,
I'm
happy
to
to
resend
some
of
those
links.
But
I
use
the
wayback
machine.
A
It's
the
easiest
way
for
me,
but
we
can
also
capture
some
like
pdfs
and
send
them
your
way.
If
that's
easier.
D
Okay,
sorry,
I
missed
that
email.
I
will
make
sure
to
use
that
trick
next
time
we're
looking
at
these.
If
they're
older
cases,
I
have
no
further
questions.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
P
now,
commissioner,
sparks.
H
Yes,
I
have
no
specific
questions
on
the
case
summaries.
My
questions
were
asked
by
or
the
questions
I
would
have
asked
were
already
asked
by
commissioners,
sarah
and
pino,
and
I
think
they
were
answered
so
thanks.
Everyone
for
that.
H
I
do
want
to
maybe
I'm
just
echoing
previous
comments,
but
I
felt
it
important
to
say
that
I
think
greater
access
to
videos
and
documentation
etc
would
be
helpful,
I'm
very
interested
in
that
the
aforementioned
coaching
study.
I
think
that
201203
is
a
good
example
of
how
some
of
that
information
could
be
useful.
I
I.
B
H
That
there
exists
a
definitely
a
public
perception
that
issues
with
officers
or
complaints
and
so
forth
might
have
a
tendency
to
be
hidden
if
you
will,
through
these
coaching
opportunities,
rather
than
other
potential
discipline
methods,
and
that
public
perception
might
be
supported
by
a
study
that
commissioner,
sarah
mentioned,
and
in
order
to
look
into
that
further
hypothetically,
if
we
were
going
to
investigate
that
look
into
it
further,
these
documents
only
tell
us
so
much
so
having
access
to
more
information
would
be
really
helpful.
B
F
B
Thank
you,
and
these
are
all
great
questions
I
think
that's
part
of
the
value
of
seeing
these
case
summaries
is
just
learning
and
getting
used
to
terminology
and
this
different
systems
that
mpd
uses
such
as
pims
or
capers
reports.
Those
that's
it
it's
it's
good
for,
like
just
kind
of
understanding
the
lingo
that's
used,
in
addition
to
the
the
more
substantive
questions
that
to
understand
like
why
we
got
how
how
and
why
we
got
to
an
outcome
that
we
did
so
again.
B
There
ask,
you
know,
don't
hesitate
to
ask
any
questions
during
these
times,
because
I
know
that
if
you
have
those
questions,
it's
certainly
something
that
a
member
of
the
public
would
have,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
the
values
of
of
that
and
again
I
apologize
for
for
our
are
not
new
commissioners,
commissioner
and
commissioner
p.
B
Now,
for
suspending
that,
because
I,
as
someone
who
had
been
on
the
commission
for
a
few
years,
I
neglected
to
think
of
the
that
that
type
of
value
add
that
it
brings
to
a
new
new
to
to
like
a
new
commissioner,
especially
just
like
getting
acclimated
with
the
lingo
and
seeing
how
cases
go.
B
So
my
apologies,
and
hopefully
you
can
learn
from
my
my
missteps
there,
all
right,
I
I
don't
have
any
questions
so
we'll
move
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
selection
of
three
cases
from
the
case
synopsis.
B
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
go
through
each
of
those
one
by
I'll
go
to
each
commissioner,
one
by
one,
and
you
will
select
three
case
numbers
from
the
public
case
synopsis.
There
are
ten
of
them
state.
The
numbers
that
you
would
like
to
review
miss
lee
is
going
to
keep
track
of
it
and
then
the
three
cases
that
receive
the
most
votes
will
will
this
the
city
staff
will
prepare
case
summaries
based
on
the
three
cases
we
select,
so
you'll
be
able
to
look
further
into
those
cases.
B
C
I
select
one
two
and
4
out
of
the
list
of
10,
and
the
reason
I
select
them
is
follow
is
as
follows.
So
in
number
1
the
allegation
should
be
a
b
level
violation
under
the
discipline
matrix.
So
I
would
like
to
know
why
it
was
selected
for
coaching
rather
than
discipline.
C
So
that's
the
question
I
have
and
for
number
two,
I'm
always
interested
when
the
civilian
review
panel
or
excuse
me
that
the
review
panel
makes
one
finding
and
the
police
department
does
the
polar
opposite.
Does
a
flip
and
exonerates
an
officer.
So
I
would
like
to
look
at
that
one
more
closely
and
finally
number
four
again.
This
allegation
was
sustained.
C
B
B
So
if
you
have
an
ex,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
share,
feel
free
to
but
for
our
new
commissioners,
don't
feel
obligated
to
do
so
if
you're
just
interested
in
the
case,
because
that's
fine
as
well,
commissioner
pino.
D
Yes,
and
simply
because
the
first
time
I
was
part
of
this,
I
was
a
little
overwhelmed,
so
I
will
explain
mine.
I
won't
normally
do
so.
Just
in
you
know,
essence
of
saving
time.
I
will
choose
numbers
one
two
and
six
number
one
and
two
along
similar
veins
of
commissioner.
D
Sarah
number
six,
it's
it's
a
again,
not
a
exactly
similar
but
somewhat
similar
on
duty
accident
with
a
city
vehicle
as
number
one,
and
I
I'd
just
like
to
be
able
to
see
the
two
of
them
at
the
same
time
to
see
why
one
was
a
coaching
instance
when
you
know
it
was
a
moving
situation
and
then
the
other
one
was
referred
to
training
where
the
accident
seemed
to
be
involving
a
parked
vehicle.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
pino
commissioner
abdi.
F
Well,
I
too
was
reading
all
of
them
and
decided
that
I
would
like
to
review
cases
2,
3
and
4
also,
and
the
reason
why
I
chose
this
is
because
it
seems,
like
all
three
of
these
cases
appear
to
be
a
mishandling
and
misuse
of
evidence,
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
looked
at
more
thoroughly.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner,
sparks.
H
We'd
like
to
review
cases,
one
two
and
four
case,
one
as
a
particular
personal
importance
to
me.
I
mean
there
were
a
number
of
vehicle
related
ones
on
here,
but
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
police
patrols
on
the
north
side,
but
when
I
do,
I
feel
that
I
invariably
see
them
violating
normal
traffic
rules
once
including
a
way
that
affected
me.
So
I
just
have
a
particular
interest
in
that
case.
B
A
Just
need
I
I
mismarked,
commissioner
p
now's
a
vote,
so
I
would
just
love
for
him
to
restate
his
top
three.
A
A
Okay,
it
looks
like
you
will
be
reviewing.
A
No,
we
do
have
a
tie
so
case
number
one
had
received
three
votes
case
number
two
had
received
six
votes
case
number
three
received
three
votes
case
number
four
received
five
votes
and
case
number
six
received
one
vote.
So
that
means
that
we
need
to
split
a
tie
between
case
one
and
case
three
and
then
case
two
and
four.
We
will
definitely
be
writing
up
for.
B
A
Okay,
wonderful!
Well
then
we
will
city
staff
will
write
up
case.
One
two
and
four
4
for
your
january
meeting,
we'll
be
sure
to
have
the
staff
who
works
on
writing
these
up
present.
To
speak
more
to
your
questions
and
apologies
that
we
didn't
have
that
staff
member
here
tonight
and
yeah
we'll
also
be
sure
to
get
you
these
documents
a
little
bit
earlier
in
advance.
So
you
have
more
time
to
really
dive
into
the
details.
B
And
for
our
commissioners,
I
apologize
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
didn't
get
the
documents
potentially
until
yesterday
was
because
I
did
not
finalize
the
agenda
until
until
yesterday.
So
I
I
I
was
I
was
on
time,
but
I
could
have
been
earlier
so
in
the
future.
You
you
will
likely
get
those
you
know,
hopefully
by
the
weekend
before
our
regular
meeting,
and
I
so
now
before
we
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.
B
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
for
taking
your
time
to
be
on
this
commission.
I'd
ask
that
you
stay
dedicated.
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
we
can
do
as
commissioners
number
one
is
be
present-
show
up
show
up
to
the
meetings.
I
think
that's
when
the
public
gets
mis
most
disappointed
when
there
are
commissioners-
and
it's
happened
in
the
past-
where
there
have
been
commissioners
who
you
know
with
all
good
intentions-
joined
the
commission
but
then
have
stopped
showing
up
because
life
gets
in
the
way
right.
B
But
this
is
something
that
I
know
that
you
are
all
dedicated.
Please
build
in
the
time
to
do
this
and
building
the
time
to
review
the
agenda
and
the
relevant
documents
ahead
of
time
so
that,
when
you
come
in
when
we
do
have
methodologies
for
you
to
review
and
research,
research
and
studies
to
approve
that
you've
read
it.
So
you
could
ask
meaningful
questions
and
and
move
the
work
move
the
work
forward.
B
I
I
I'd
also
say
you
know,
I
think,
the
best
attributes
of
commissioners
and
especially
a
chair
and
vice
chair.
You
know-
and
I
don't
possess
all
these
attributes,
but
I
I
hopefully
have
I've
recognized
where
I've
I've
failed,
but
I
I
think
it's
important
to
build
relationships,
not
just
amongst
each
other,
but
with
city
staff
and
with
elected
officials.
B
To
you
know
we
don't
wield
a
hammer
in
in
our
oversight,
work.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
to
force
mpd
to
force
the
city
to
do
anything.
What
we
do
wield
is
a
paintbrush.
We
can
influence
and
I
think
the
better
relationships
we
can
build
and
I
sorry
to
include
the
community.
You
know
the
better
relationship
we
could
build
with
the
community,
the
elected
officials
and
our
city
staff.
B
We've
all
got
important
information
to
share
and
roles
to
play
in
this,
and
you
know
we
need
to
get
as
many
people
to
the
table
to
talk
about
these
ideas.
There's
no
one
solution
to
pull
to
public
safety
and
policing.
I
wish
it
was
that
easy.
It's
not.
There
are
gonna.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
ways
in
which
the
public
are
affected
by
police
work.
Some
of
it
is
miscot.
Police
misconduct
related,
and
we
should
do
work
on
that.
B
Some
of
it
is
also
how
effective
are
police
are
doing
their
jobs
like
with
our
domestic
response
study,
and
so
you
should
do
work
on
that.
Their
way.
So
look
at
all
the
ways,
and
I'm
glad
that
we
have
people
in
the
commission
who
have
had
negative
interactions
with
mpd
who
have
had
bad
inner.
You
know
just
bad
interactions
with
mpd,
because
that
that's
that's
we
don't.
We
haven't
always
had
that
perspective
on
the
commission.
So
the
more
ways
we
can
look
at
how
mpd
interacts
with
the
community
either
in?
B
How
can
we
help
mpd
be
more
product
productive
at
solving
crime?
That's
that's
part
of
our
work
too.
It's
not
all
it's
not
all
merely.
You
know
how.
How
do
we
get
more
discipline
issued?
For
example,
it's
it's
a
combination
of
everything
to
make
it
a
more
effective
police
department.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
and
shape
a
police
department
into
something
and
an
entity
to
an
entity
that
reflects
our
community
values
so
and
j.
B
I
know
there
are
times
where
things
have
gotten
tense
at
on
our
last,
even
at
our
last
commission
meeting-
and
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
some
community
members-
had
a
lot
of
issue
with
the
most
recent
appointment
process,
but
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
everyone
who's
attending
this
meeting,
everyone
who
is
a
commissioner
right
now
they're
here,
because
they
do
care
they
want
to
make
a
difference
and
they're
taking
steps
forward
to
get
to
that
goal.
So
please
remember
that
people
are
acting
with
the
best
intentions
towards
the
same
goal.
B
So
please
be
gent.
I
know
it
sounds
corny,
but
be
gentle
with
each
other.
I
know
I
haven't
been
the
best
of
that,
but
please
be
better
than
me
at
that
and
and
and
support
each
other
in
in
doing
your
work.
You
don't
always
have
to
agree,
but
you
should
listen
to
each
other
and
support
each
other.
So
thank
you
and
with
that
I
would
take
them.
I
would
hear
a
motion
to
adjourn.
B
All
right,
since
we
have
to
vote
on
it,
commissioner
abdi.