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A
Okay,
then,
should
we
do
we
need
to
wait
for
anybody
else,
or
should
we
show
on
the
road?
A
A
I
just
got
off
of
my
work
computer
onto
this
computer.
Can
somebody
call
the
first
action
item
on
the
agenda
since
it's
not
introductions
anymore.
D
D
The
county
is
leading
the
project,
along
with
our
consultant
jeff
rota
from
aecom,
along
with
our
project
partners,
minneapolis
kelsey,
the
minneapolis
park
and
rec
board
match
and
metro
transit,
so
our
project,
osceola
road,
runs
from
penn
avenue
all
the
way
up
to
49th
avenue,
which
is
part
of
the
county
road
152
corridor.
D
This
piece
is
a
connector
between
the
newly
finished
brooklyn
boulevard
reconstruction
project
in
brooklyn
center
and
the
weber
44
reconstruction
project,
which
will
be
starting
construction
early
next
year.
Currently,
osseo
road
is
a
three-lane
road
section
with
an
on-street
bikeway
that
integra
that
connects
with
the
ground
rounds
trail
through
the
victoria
memorial
parkway.
There
is
also
existing
sidewalk
along
the
east
side
of
the
roadway,
with
portions
of
walk
along
the
west,
the
existing
side,
the
existing
roadway,
has
reached
the
end
of
its
service
life.
D
The
initial
design,
which
was
developed
based
on
community
input,
technical
considerations,
was
presented
back
in
july
via
virtual
open
house
and
here
at
the
august,
bac
meeting.
D
D
D
We
have
two
five
foot
boulevards,
we'll
pro.
We
are
providing
with
a
10
foot
trail
with
a
six
foot
sidewalk
with
the
one
foot
detectable
edge
between
them
on
the
west
side
and
the
six
foot
sidewalk
on
the
opposing
side
and
then
on
the
next
section
on
the
right
typical
section.
This
is
our
bridge
typical
section.
We
are
keeping
with
the
two
11
foot
travel
lanes
with
outside
five
foot
shoulders,
which
is
which
has
not
changed
from
our
original
geometry.
D
D
The
next
section
is
our
main
roadway
section.
This
highlighted
green
piece
in
this
section.
We
were
replacing
me
in
place
three
lane
section
and
outside
bike
boulevards
with
the
two
11
foot
travel
lanes,
which
is
again
this
the
same
as
previous
design.
We,
the
part
that
is
changing,
is
the
the
two
five
foot
boulevards
with
the
ten
foot
trail,
six
foot
sidewalk
with
the
one
foot
separation
and
then
on
the
opposing
side
is
the
six
foot
sidewalk.
D
Scroll
there
so
here
is,
it
says
something
new.
We
have
some
renderings
of
this
section,
so
we
are
looking
south
at
the
asea
road
and
47th
avenue
intersection
at
this
intersection.
We
are
showing
the
proposed
brt
station,
the
proposed
rrfb.
D
A
Okay,
interrupt
real,
quick
yeah.
I
really
realized
I
forgot
to
do
something
and
that
something
is
to
ask
if
anybody
wants
to
volunteer
to
take
notes
or
minutes.
A
A
D
Okay,
well,
there's
have
time
for
at
the
end
for
for
questions.
If
anybody
have
questions
so
the
the
next
section
we'll
jump
into
is
the
the
bnc
section.
D
So
the
the
left
typical
section
we
transition
to
the
three
lane
section
with
the
left
turn
lane
at
the
memorial
drive
memorial
parkway
intersection
again.
This
part
has
the
roadway
remain
the
same.
The
adjustment
is
the
the
ten
foot
trail,
the
six
foot
sidewalk
and
then
the
the
opposing
side
is
also
the
the
six
foot
sidewalk
and
then
the
the
five
foot
boulevards,
which
was
was
previously
at
at
seven
feet
and
then
on
the
the
right
typical
section
at
the
victoria
memorial
parkway
in
grand
rounds
trail
intersection.
D
D
Oh,
I
skipped
right
over
it.
So
again
here's
a
rendering
of
this
section.
This
time
we
are
looking
north
at
the
osseo
road
and
victoria
memorial
drive
intersection
at
this
intersection.
We
are
showing
the
the
new
proposed
signal
on
the
proposed
median
and
the
the
new
bike
and
and
ped
crossing.
D
D
So
the
the
last
section
we'll
go
into
is
from
queens
avenue
to
the
penn
avenue
intersection
there
we
go
at
this
section.
We
continue
that
the
two
foot
travel
lanes
and
then
the
the
raised
median
and
only
the
six
foot
sidewalk
on
either
side
with
the
with
the
five
foot
grass
boulevard.
We
end
the
ten
foot
trail
at
the
queen
avenue
connection
into
the
minneapolis
queen
avenue
bike
boulevard.
D
Here's
a
rendering
again
of
this
section.
We
are
looking
south
at
the
asea
road
and
penn
avenue
and
44th
avenue
intersection
and
in
this
rate,
in
this
rendering
you
can
see
the
the
continuous
raised
median,
the
two
travel
lanes,
the
outside
grass
boulevards
and
then
the
two
sidewalks
to
six
inches
six
foot
sidewalks
on
either
side
of
the
roadway.
D
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
come
back
and
update
you
on
the
proposed
layout
and
sections
feel
free
to
visit.
The
project
website
also
shown
as
any
my
contact
information
and
with
that
we
can
open
it
up
to
questions
and
comments.
We
can
either
run
back
through
the
presentation
or
I
do
have
the
layout
as
well.
A
Too,
I
think
we'll
just
move
to
the
layout
when
we
need
to.
F
G
I
don't
have
a
question:
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
just
start
with
this
is
going
to
be
a
negative,
very
negative
comment,
because
I'm
definitely
unhappy
and
upset
to
see
not
just
11
foot
travel
lanes,
which
I
can
deal
with.
I
know
we're
talking
about
getting
smaller,
but
11,
plus
twos
and
12
plus
twos.
G
I
just
my
mind,
is
a
bit
blown
that
we're
still
looking
at
that
much
space
and
knowing
what
that
vehicle
with
can
do
to
speeds
and
for
those
people
like
the
trails,
looks
good
to
me,
but
I
know
that
some
cyclists
are
going
to
end
up
on
the
street
and
we
also
know
that
wider
distances
are
going
to
be
encouraging
speed,
and
I
just
I
won't
be
supporting
a
resolution
that
that
has
an
11
plus
two
and
a
12
plus
two.
So
that's
it.
D
So
some
of
the
reason
we
do
have
the
11
foot
traveling
is
due
to
the
the
d-line,
the
proposed
d-line
and
the
c-line,
the
metro
bus
brt
that
runs
along
the
corridor.
Their
recommendation
is
the
the
the
12
foot
lane,
along
with
I'm
sorry
11.
The
11
foot
lane,
along
with
kind
of
a
county
standard,
is
for
us
to
do
an
11
foot
lane
in
the
the
median
sections
due
to
snow
plow
widths.
We
do
need
a
minimum
of
15
15
plus
for
our
snow
plows.
G
E
This
is
matthew,
I'm
just
curious.
How
are
a
lot
of
our
narrower
streets
plowed
so
efficiently
when
they
don't
have
15
foot
lanes.
E
D
I
guess
I
don't
know
what
the
the
the
width
is
for
a
city
plow,
but
we
verified
with
with
our
maintenance
crews
that
they
have
it's
like
15
to
something
that's
what
it
was
15.,
yeah
or
14,
just
over
14,
just
under
15.,
I
have
to
double
check
what
that
is,
and
it
it's
from
the
the
edge
of
cur
or
the
flow
line
to
flow
line
is
why
that
has
to
be
that
wide.
D
I
don't
know
what
city
streets,
if
that's
the
not
the
the
face
of
curb
to
face
a
curb
distance,
because
we
have
that
median
in
specifically
the
from
victoria
memorial
parkway
to
to
penn
avenue
with
the
median
in
there,
which
we
kind
of
the
median
is
there
to
help
with
the
penn
avenue
curve
that
kind
of
goes
through
there.
It
helps
to
direct
traffic
and
also
reduces
that
overall
lane
feel
because
of
that
median,
but
it
has
to
be
at
least
15.
E
Okay,
can
you
also
speak
to
the
five
foot
five
foot
shoulder
on
the
bridge
that
seems
excessively
wide.
D
D
Sidewalk
with
there's
something
to
do
with
the
design
of
the
bridge
piece
that
we
need
to
leave
some
of
that
for
roadway
piece,
and
it's
also
to
reduce
a
lane
due
to
emergency
vehicles.
We
we
need
that
extra
space
if
there
was
a
stalled
vehicle
or
head-to-head
traffic
that
an
emergency
vehicle
could
get
on
there,
so
they
require
some
of
that
to
be
shoulder
width,
that's
on
there.
E
I
I
wonder,
if
that's
worth
reviewing
further,
I
think
about
a
bridge
like
the
franklin
bridge
over
the
mississippi
river,
which
is
a
hennepin
county
bridge,
and
I
don't
think
it
is
that
wide
having
driven
it.
I
think
it's
much
tighter
than
having
16
foot
effective
lanes
each
way,
so
I
think
that's
worth
reviewing,
because
such
a
straight
shot
and
such
a
wide
roadway
is
really
going
to
lead
to
speeding.
I
mean
it's
just
kind
of
human
nature,
I'll
love
it.
E
If,
if
every
driver
looked
at
the
speed
limit
and
just
followed
that,
but
that's
not
how
it
works,
that's
it's
kind
of
it's
wishful
thinking,
so
this
really
seems
like
an
overly
dangerous
design
and
an
unnecessarily
dangerous
design.
E
D
So
originally
this
is
a
three-lane
section
with
on-site
bikes
bike
shoulders.
So
we
are
removing
one
lane
through
most
of
the
corridor,
along
with
also
review
removing
the
the
on-road
bike.
So
we
are
significantly
changing
the
footprint
of
the.
E
Road,
I
think,
there's
no
doubt
you're
improving
it
based
on
the
you
know.
What's
there
today,
but
in
my
mind,
that's
that's
not
necessarily
the
standard
to
start
from
the
standard
would
be
what's
the
safest
thing
you
could
build
and
to
build
the
safest
possible
thing,
because
this
will
be
like
here
for
decades,
so
it
doesn't
seem
optimal
to
build
something.
That's
going
to
encourage
speeding.
E
Yeah,
I'm
ready
to
yield
the
floor
to
the
next
person.
H
Yes,
two
quick
thoughts,
one
I
I'm
just
in
terms
of
the
maintenance
piece
with
the
with
the
15
I'd
be
curious.
If
maintenance
staff
said
that
they
prefer
15
feet
or
if
they
need
15
feet,
because
I
I
think
those
may
be
different
things,
I
I
wonder
if
they
could
make
it
work
for
short
stretches.
You
know
where
there
is
the
median,
because
it
is
a
short
stretch,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
is
the
key
difference.
H
H
You
had
noted
that
the
bikeway
would
end
at
queen
avenue
and
I'm
just
wondering
because
I
know
that
we
want
to
make
improvements
in
the
connection
to
queen
avenue,
but
there
will
be
folks
that
will
still
wanna
and-
and
it
will
still
want
a
bike
to
44th
avenue
to
make
that
connection
and
that's
what
we
have
identified
in
our
transportation
action
plan.
That
was
just
recently
passed
days
ago.
H
So
I'm
just
wondering
about
that,
and
even
if,
even
if
it
just
turns
to
shared
use
paths,
if
space
is
a
constraint
just
for
that
short
stretch,
there
will
be
people
biking
in
the
street
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can
make
that
change.
D
I
think
we
can
look
at
it.
The
some
of
the
other
reason
that
that
the
trail
was
was
stopped
is
the
quinac
connection
into
the
bike
boulevard,
but
also
the
the
space
constraint
as
well
too.
There
is
currently
encroachment
along
queen
avenue
to
44th,
particularly
with
with.
D
I
Yeah,
so
I
had
a
question
particularly
about
kind
of
speed
mitigation
at
the
right
at
the
curve
right
by
the
I
think
it's
the
tory
44
building,
it's
just
my
understanding
that
there's
been
some
treatment
there
already,
but
that
there
continue
to
be
particular
issues
as
vehicles
around
that
turn
that
have
resulted
in
property
damage
over
the
years,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
any
any
new
considerations
that
are
coming
in
there.
I'm
just
curious
kind
of
what's
the
the
scope
of
that.
D
Yeah,
so
so
part
of
it
is,
is
changing
the
overall
curve.
It's
still
the
the
limited
right
of
way.
That's
in
here
we
still
have
a
curve
that
is
below
design
speed,
which
is
the
30
30
miles
an
hour
through
here.
I
think
it
I
think
our
curve
is
now
at
25,
so
there
will
be
some
advisory
signs
that
get
put
up,
but
our
approach
into
that
curve
kind
of
in
here
you're
kind
of
directing
them
kind
of.
D
As
would
you
see
into
a
roundabout
to
slow
traffic
down,
you
kind
of
veer
them
left
to
vrm
right
to
help
slow
down
and
again
putting
that
median
in
there,
even
though
it
is
a,
is
a
15
foot
wide
basic
curve
to
face
a
curve
you're
still
reducing
that
lane
width
through
this
piece
that
ultimately
will
hope
to
to
slope
traffic
down
direct
them.
It's
more
of
a
rounded
curve
than
a
sharp
curve
and
the
the
added
curve
piece
on
44th
avenue
intersection
here
will
also
help
to
direct
traffic.
A
J
Yeah
hey,
so
I'm
wondering
you
know
we're
talking
about
speeds
and
things
like
that,
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
amber,
if
you
could
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
you
you
might
be
adding
as
far
as
vegetation,
I
know
trees
go
a
long
way
to
kind
of
bring
scale
down
and
make
things
a
little
bit
more
less
open
and
less
speedy.
D
Yeah
less
speedy.
Yes,
our
intent
is
to
to
look
at
some
plantings
through
the
corridor
right
now.
It's
it's!
It's
closer
to
our
60
to
90,
where
we
start
to
look
at
some
of
that
kind
of
things,
but
the
intent
is
in
space,
with
the
the
separation
of
the
remove
or
going
away
from
the
multi-use
path
to
the
trail
and
sidewalk.
D
C
Good
afternoon
I
have
a
few
questions
for
you.
So,
first
of
all,
I'm
really
appreciative
of
seeing
those
dashed
lines
on
the
on
the
trail
section.
I
think
that's
fantastic
and
the
question
would
be:
are
you
going
to
continue
those
dash
lines
all
the
way
over
to?
I
think
bass,
lake
road,
since
it's
part
of
the
same
project
project,
it's
the
same
bikeway.
C
This
is
an
extension
of
the
botano
or
the
brooklyn
boulevard
trail,
which
I
think
ends
at
the
moment
up
at
bass,
lake
road.
So
will
you
be
extending
the
dashed
lines
on
the
trail
that
you
are
proposing
in
this
section,
this
project
up
to
the
bass
like
road
area?
Or
could
you
consider
that.
D
It
switches
to
an
on-road
bike
facility
when
we
get
to
49th
avenue
at
this
piece,
so
it
switches
from
off-road
to
on-road.
They
have
on-road
bike.
C
There's
a
trail
up
there.
That
goes
all
the
way
to
goes
all
the
way
over
100
and
goes
all
the
way
up
to
bass
like
road.
D
Part
of
our
project,
we
won't.
We
won't
do
this-
also
brooklyn
center.
That
goes
up
there,
so
I
don't
know
what
they
have
for.
This
striping
will
also
become
part
of
minneapolis
maintenance
agreement
that
we'll
have
to
discuss
with
them.
So
I
don't
believe
that
striping
will
continue.
C
So
part
of
this
is
continuity
and
really
being
able
to
give
people
giving
bicyclists
and
understanding
that
this
is
truly
a
bikeway.
That
goes
someplace
and
that's
been
a
problem.
When
you
know
we,
we
build
projects
with
a
bikeway
that
is
undersized
and
doesn't
have
any
weight
finding
on
it.
No
markings
and
it
goes
unused.
If
we're
going
to
encourage
people
to
use
these
trails,
we
need
to
support
it
that
people
actually
realize
that
it's
a
bikeway
and
so
to
stop
this
at
the
minneapolis
border
and
then
to
continue
on
another.
C
I
think
it's
over
a
mile
mile
and
a
half
up
to
vass
lake
road,
it's
on
the
other
end
of
the
of
the
shingle
creek
crossings,
would
be
a
real
disappointment.
So
my
recommendation-
and
if
I
were
to
write
whatever
resolution
to
help
you
folks
out,
would
be
that
that
be
extended
all
the
way
up
there
to
give
people
an
idea
that
this
is
a
continuous
trail
that
goes
there.
C
And
well
that
I
saw
it's
proposed,
so
what
happens
after
this
we're
seeing
this
we're
excited
about
it?
There's
I
still
like.
I
I'm
listening
to
the
reasoning
that
this
might
not
appear
yet
we're
seeing
it
in
the
the
drawings
is
that
correct?
D
Trail
I
mean
we're
at
30
percent
concept
level,
so
things
things
do
change.
Our
intent
is
to
put
the
striping
in
our
intent
is
to
use
love,
pedestrian
level
lighting,
but
but
we're
at
a
30
design
as
well
too.
C
C
This
trail,
something
that's
missing
at
intersections
and
if
you
scroll
down
scroll
down
to
one
of
your
elevations,
I
think
well.
C
Hang
on
for
a
second,
let
me
see
if
I
can
well
that's
just
fine.
What
I
was
looking
at
is
when
it
crosses
when
the
trail
crosses
the
different
streets.
C
So
you
have
thomas
on
the
right
side
there,
and
you
have
a
few
others
is
that
you
know
we
just
received
a
or
had
a
a
conversation
about
vision,
zero
and
dect,
tabled
intersections
and
marked
intersections,
and
I
would
hope
that
that
would
be
a
consideration
as
well
here
to
again
provide
some
continuity
on
this
trail.
C
And
the
along
with
what
matthew
had
to
say,
I
think
people
are
going
to
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
they're
going
to
continue
to
pin
to
that
intersection
where
there
is
retail
and
so
you're
going
to
either
have
bicyclists
in
the
lane
or
we
design
something.
So
they
can
get
there
safely.
They
aren't
going
to
divert
and
go
up
queen
and
go
around
the
corner
and
get
there
they're
going
to
go
straight
up.
K
Yes,
I
not
sure
if
I
missed
it
during
the
presentation.
Thank
you
amber,
but
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
the
45th
avenue
and
osseo
road
interaction
there.
It
looks
like
if
you're
approaching
osseo
from
the
east
that
you
you're
basically
forced
to
take
a
take
a
right
am
I
reading
these
correctly.
D
Yeah
so
you're
correct
it
is,
it
is
only
a
a
right
turn
kind
of
a
write
in
right
out
situation.
So
most
of
it
comes
from
the
stem
from
armament
victoria
memorial
parkway.
We
have
queueing
issues,
concerns
that
come
up
when
vehicles
will
queue
up
here
to
go
into
left
lane,
so
essentially
they
are
blocking
most
some
on
some
accounts
during
peak
hours.
They
are
blocking
the
45th
avenue
intersection.
D
So
some
ways
to
help
with
the
queuing
and
safety
for
those
people
tend
to
take
risky
lefts
out
of
that
intersection
when
they're
having
to
wait.
So
we
kind
of
put
in
that
median
to
reduce
that
conflict
point.
That's
there.
It
does
yes,
restrict
turn
movements
and
we'll
people
will
have
to
our
intent.
Is
people
to
go
up
to
the
victoria
memorial
drive
intersection
where
it
is
signalized
and
and
use
that
left?
That's
up.
K
There,
okay,
that
answers
my
question.
Thank
you.
I
do
echo
the
concerns
about
how
wide
the
through
lanes
are,
especially
because
those
lanes
are
effectively
going
to
feel
like
14
feet,
15
feet
and
having
ridden
this
area
like
extensively
both
in
the
memorial
driveway
itself
and
also
the
grand
rounds
trail
like
a
lot
of
these
intersections
are
confusing
if
you're
navigating
on
a
bike,
and
it's
not
always
clear,
like
people
who
are
driving
like
if
they're
going
to
yield
to
you
or
not.
K
So
I
I
do
have
a
strong
preference
for
you
know
those
types
of
considerations
being
given
at
any
crossing
of
osseo,
just
based
on
personal
interactions
that
I've
had,
but
because
of
that
I
would
also
have
a
preference
for
biking
in
the
street
on
osseo,
so
that
I
I
can
take
the
lane
if
I
need
to
and
not
have
to
wonder
about,
if
I'm
gonna
have
to
navigate
around-
or
you
know,
do
two
legs
of
a
of
a
triangle
rather
than
just
taking
the
the
direct
way.
K
A
Dan
dan
did
you
remember
what
you
were.
C
Gonna
remember
I
did
and
I
apologize
between
looking
at
the
screen
and
trying
to
keep
my
thinking
straight.
I
was
a
bit
confused,
so
my
last
thought
here
is
that
we're
at
30
amber,
and
I
would
imagine
that
you'll
be
coming
back
with
more
revi
revised
things
in
the
future,
based
on.
J
C
The
one
thing
which,
along
with
I
mean
I
mentioned
intersections
the
dashed
lines,
the
extension
of
making
this
a
continuous
trail,
the
other
piece
that
I
think
that
is
really
important
to
maybe
see
the
next
time
you
come
around
is
what
is
going
on
with
wave
finding
okay.
So
where
do
you
go
on
this
thing?
You
know
what
what
what
information
tells
you
that
the
queen
bike
boulevard
is
there
or
or
how
far
are
you
from
penn
avenue
to
bass,
lake
road
or
stuff,
like
that?
C
I
think
having
a
package
that
talks
about
wayfinding
and
what
you're
actually
going
to
be
viewing
here
to
promote
biking,
to
give
people
that
may
not
be
talking
about
going
in
advanced
distance,
but
a
mile
is
a
big
deal
and
that
they
can
see
those
successes
and-
and
we
just
have
not,
we-
we
build
a
lot
of
projects
here
without
much
way.
Finding
that
helps
people
find
stuff
unless
they
just
go
out
and
explore
it
by
happening
stance,
and
some
of
that
would
be
really
helpful.
So
thank
you.
D
C
Thank
you,
it
would
be
just
I.
I
think
this
is
an
important
thing
to
kind
of
push
on
just
to
see,
because
we
don't
know,
we
don't
see
it
and
what
my
observations
in
minneapolis
is
that
we
reconstruct
a
street
with
a
bike
path
on
the
side
and
that's
supposed
to
have
striping
or
something,
and
it
takes
close
to
two
seasons
before
you
see
it
actually
happen
so
being
able
to
ask
to
open
up
a
new
reconstruction
with
with
a
full
menu
of
stuff.
That's
happening
on
that
thing
for
all
users
would
be
really
helpful.
A
I'm
gonna
jump
in
real,
quick
and
I'll
get
to
matthew,
but
amber
what
is
the
timeline
when
is
60
when
is
layout,
approval,
etc,
etc?.
D
So
kelsey
maybe
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
I
think
in
january
it'll
go
to
the
the
city
council
for
for
their
concurrence
on
the
layout
and
then
we
will
continue
into
60,
probably
late
spring
early
summer
next
year
and
wrapping
up
our
final
design,
2021
and
then
construction
is
in
2022..
A
L
Amber
that
sounds
right
from
the
layout
perspective.
I
also
want
to
say
that
typically,
we
haven't
been
bringing
these
projects
back
at
60
or
90
percent.
We
typically
just
have
been
bringing
this
to
the
committee
at
30,
so
I
would
emphasize
to
get
your
comments
in
with
us
now,
so
we
can.
We
can
bring
those
into
the
design
as
it
moves
into
more
engineering
and
final
design
work.
A
Okay,
matthew
and
I
hope,
we're
kind
of
going
to
move
towards
a
motion
of
some
sorts,
but
I
know
thanks
for
the
timeline.
I
know
that
I
mean
once
layout
is
approved,
that's
a
big
deal
except
and
and
be
done
so
hopefully
we
can
get
motion
here.
We
can
express
everything
that
we're
talking
about
so.
A
E
Because
I
saw
matthew
deardahl's
reminder
about
the
time,
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
a
motion
with
three
parts.
The
first
part
is
appreciation
for
the
curb
protected
bike
facility.
That
does
feel
like
a
substantial
step
forward.
So
I
appreciate
that
the
second
part
is
requesting
narrowing
of
the
lane
widths.
E
I
just
think
it's
unacceptable,
given
what
we
know
and
we
all
know
it
about
how
lanewick's
impact
speeds
and
how
speeds
impact
risk
and
danger
it's
unacceptable
to
have
them
wider
than
they
need
to
be,
and
there
seem
to
be
several
locations
here
where
they're
far
wider
than
they
need
to
be.
You
know
we're
looking
at
lane
widths
between
13
and
18
feet
and
that's
you
know
the
county
has
done
narrower
lane
widths
on
projects
recently.
E
A
Okay,
to
kind
of
kind
of
bring
that
motion
together,
one
appreciation
for
the
curb
protected
bikeways.
That's
a
good
thing
number
two.
We
like
to
see
our
reduction
in
the
lane
widths
and
number
three.
We
would
like
to
see
this
project
back
at
60
for
further
for
further
comment.
A
Excellent
dan
do
we
have
a
second
on
this
motion
before
I
get
to
dan,
so
we
can
have
a
discussion.
A
All
right
dan
seconds
comments
further
discussion,
dan.
C
Yeah
I'd
like
to
add
a
third
point
that
we
review
intersections
for
rate
or
tabled
intersections
with
pedestrian
crossings
as
well
as
that,
we
encourage
that
treatments
on
the
on
the
trail
are
approved,
as
well
as
the
the
pedestrian
lighting.
A
Okay,
pedestrian
lightings,
they
thought
was
already
in
there,
so
that
we
can
take
away
that
one
right.
So
this
is
the
fourth
part,
which
is
consideration
for
raised
intersection
crossings.
C
Yes-
and
I
think
that
what
I've
been
trying
to
do
and
to
give
amber
some
some
support
that
this
is
a
propose
that
they
that
pedestrian
lightings
is
being
proposed
here,
dash
lines
are
being
proposed
on
the
trail.
C
We
think
those
are
important
and
we
we
really
believe
those
should
happen
in
addition
to
those
intersection
crossings-
and
I
think
the
last
piece
which
didn't
get
covered
was
the
extension
of
the.
A
A
Again,
at
60
number
four
possibility
for
raised
barriers
across
streets,
five
appreciation
or
need
for
pedestrian
lighting
and
zebra
striping
and
six,
a
continuation
of
the
path
to
brooklyn
center.
Is
that
correct?
Did
I
get
the
motion
all
in
there.
H
Can
I
clarify
just
in
case
it's
needed,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
raised
or
table
crossing
we're
talking
to
carry
the
bikeway
through
at
through
the
side
streets
right.
A
Refer
back
to
the
recording?
Yes,
we'll
need
to
get
this
down,
but
hearing
no
further
discussion,
questions.
G
Oh,
I
just
I
proposed
wording
in
the
chat
for
the
middle
section.
I
guess,
which
was
the
bac
finds
the
existing
lane
widths
of
11
plus
2
and
wide
are
unacceptable.
These
with
widths
are
proven
to
encourage
dangerous,
higher
speeds
and
need
to
be
reduced.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
can't
we
don't
have
any
time
to
wait
this
out
until
we
get
the
exact
wording
on
all
this
whole
motion,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
put
this
together
once
again.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
motion?
Are
we
good
speak
now,
I'm
not
trying
to
discourage
discussion.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
no
discussion
further
discussion.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion.
The
bac
like
to
thank
on
this
project
would
like
to
appreciates
staff
for
the
protected
curb
protected
bikeway
facilities
to
nick's
language.
A
To
again
I
forget
the
third
one
dang
it
come
back
at
60
percent
come
back
back
at
60.
E
L
Chris,
can
I
ask
the
clarifying
question
on
the
continuing
it
to
pen
sure
just
thinking
through
how
that
fits
in?
There
is
not
a
bikeway
on
penn
and
there's,
not
a
bikeway
east
on
44th
of
so
I
guess
the
question
for
the
group
is
whether
they
want
to
have
a
bikeway
that
terminates
at
penn
or
have
a
bikeway
that
comes
around
on
44th,
which
we
can
do
with
a
bike.
Boulevard.
H
So
I
I
think
I
think
I
think
we
meant
to
say
44th
right,
bac,
members
that
that's
that's
what
I
was
intending
to
bring
up
when
I
brought
it
up,
because
it
aligns
with
the
transportation
action
plan.
Okay,
okay,
so
we'll
clarify
that
to
44th,
not
penn.
A
O
O
O
J
I
H
N
Hey
melissa,
I'm
here
and,
of
course,
I'll
abstain.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thanks
everybody.
I
know
it
took
a
long
time,
but
this
is
a
big
thing
and
is
important
and
let's
we're
here
to
talk
about
important
things,
so
that
being
done
next
up
is
2nd
street
and
3rd
avenue,
northeast
pedestrian
intersection.
J
M
Hi
I'm
christian
zimmerman
and
I'm
not
sure
what
this
background
is.
That's
behind
me,
but
this
is
what
teams
gave
me
anyways.
I
am
the
project
manager
for
pedestrian
improvements
for
second
and
third
in
northeast
minneapolis.
M
We,
this
location,
is
a
block
north
off
of
or
two
blocks,
north
off
of
hennepin
and
a
block
to
the
west
towards
the
river
of
the
university,
and
so
since
the
last
time
I
was
here
and
talked
to
you
all
really.
What
we've
done
is
conducted
permanent
medians,
where
currently
there
is
temporary
medians
that
are
striked
with
some
bollards.
So
what
we're
proposing
here
is
to
reduce
the
travel
lanes
on
on
2nd
street
northeast.
M
These
travel
lanes
would
be
down
to
10
feet
and
then,
when
you
are
here
at
at
each
of
the
medians,
you
would
have
the
one
foot
reaction
against
the
median,
and
then
you
have
the
the
two
foot
of
the
curve
and
gutter
so
total
of
13
feet,
so
that
would
be
for
north
and
south
when
you're
along
the
median
there's
a
taper
to
each
median
with
either
some
striping
or,
along
with
the
median
itself,
to
then
align
to
the
current
configuration
of
the
roadway,
no
parking
stays
in
its
location
from
the
intersection
down
to
approximately,
where
the
median
would
end
we've
added
some
signage
for
bikes
and
pedestrians
at
the
intersection
for
vehicles
that
are
heading
north.
M
M
Currently
there
is
a
transit
stop,
and
this
would
not
be
interfered
with.
It
would
continue
service
as
as
usual
and
then
the
stop
signs
would
also
remain
in
place
and
currently
per
an
earlier
update.
Cross
traffic
does
not
stop,
was
added
to
these
as
a
safety
precaution,
and
those
would
also
remain
the
medians
themselves
are,
are
proposed
to
be
landscaped
and
that
that
work
is
is
ongoing
and
will
occur
later
on
in
in
this
process.
A
I'll
I'm
gonna
hog
this
hog
right
in
and
chime
in.
I
live
very
close
to
this.
I
live
like
right
down
the
street
and
the
neighborhood
which
you're
gonna
be
coming
to.
I
think
next
week,
neighborhoods
really
likes
this.
I
mean
the
the
speed
on
this
street
used
to
be
really
bad
because
you
came
down
that
railroad
bridge.
You
know
it
was
an
overpass
over
the
railroad
and
then
downhill
and
then
not
have
a
stop
sign
until
not
have
any
stops
until
8th
avenue.
A
So
people
would
go
very
fast
on
this,
and
this
was
a
great
solution
just
to
get
people
to
adjust
their
path.
It
slows
the
traffic
down
and
I
think
permanent
will
help
the
pedestrians.
I
guess
one
thing
that
I'm
kind
of
wondering
about.
If
there's
a
you
know,
if
there
is
a
pedestrian
refuse
island
per
chance
at
all
in
this
or
not,
but
again
that's
a
pedestrian
thing,
and
but
I
do
like
the
fact
that
the
off
street
bike
path
is
called
out
with
green
striping
as
well.
A
M
You
yep,
for
with
this
there
there's
not
a
pedestrian
refuge
identified
in
this
design.
The
roadway
is
40
feet.
So
it's
it's
not
an
overly
wide
area
and
the
travel
lanes
have
have
been
reduced
from
what's
even
there
now,
just
with
their
wits,
because
the
medians
have
been
enlarged
in
this
design,
so
really
crossing
minimizing
that
crossing
distance,
in
which
you
would
have
a
conflict
point
with
the
vehicle.
M
This
side
here
there's
a
little
bit
of
room
depending
on
the
exact
curb
lines,
but
but
not
much
it's
something
if
we
did
explore
putting
something
there
that
could
be
relatively
small
and
and
could
potentially
lead
to
some
issues
of
just
some
turning
movements,
or
maybe
just
maybe
a
plow
nicking
it
at
times,
and
it
could
be
questionable
on
on
just
how
well
such
a
small
refuge
beyond
the
crosswalk
may
may
hold
up.
A
And
also,
I
just
thought
one
other
thing
too.
Taking
this
on
my
bike:
the
area
between
the
bus,
stop
and
a
lot
of
cyclists
do
take
this.
So
even
though
it's
a
it's
a
state
aid
height,
it's
a
state
aid,
road,
municipal
state
aid,
road
and
a
bus
route,
but
a
lot
of
people
take
on
bikes.
It's
a
nice
wide
street,
that's
a
great
alternative
to
either
marshall
or
university,
and
I
will
say
that
the
it's
a
little
bit.
A
You
feel
a
little
bit
trapped
when
you're
in
the
area
between
the
bus
stop
and
the
median
heading
towards
first
avenue
northeast,
and
I
guess
I
just
kind
of
wonder
how
other
people
think
about
that,
because
you
really
feel
like
you're
kind
of
pinned
there
for
a
while
when
there's
cars
coming
so
there's
no
way
to
kind
of
avoid
the
cars
I'm
just
wondering
if
there'd
be
any
sort
of
escape
route
or
anything
like
that
available.
M
M
I
believe
it
was
so
really
wouldn't
be
looking
for
a
reconstruction
until
until
the
roadway
was
really
at
the
complete
end
of
its
life
cycle,
at
which
time
then
bike
facilities
would
be
looked
at
this
as
far
as
a
second
goes
as
a
as
a
more
stable
feature
for
this.
C
C
Is
it
possible
that
I
take
this
too
and
my
solution
to
this
intersection
is
just
to
take
the
lane.
I
mean
that's,
and
I
think
I
don't
know
what
the
width
of
those
lanes
you
said:
they're
10
feet.
So
that's
what
I
would
do
so
I
wouldn't
be
crowded
out,
but
maybe
there's
a
way
that
that
you
could
add
some
bike.
Boulevard
logos
near
that
intersection,
so
people
that
were
in
cars
knew
that
it
was
a
shared
path
or
something
on
both
the
approach
both
north
and
south.
M
Yeah
we
can
can
look
into
that
as
as
an
option.
J
C
I
have
one
other
thought
and
I
am
very
appreciative
of
seeing
the
green
mark
conflict
zone
marking
that
basically
connects
this
trail,
that
is,
on
the
south
side.
C
That
trail
goes
from
marshall
to
central
the
best
of
our
knowledge
it
was
put
in
during
the
development
of
this
area
and
is
not
on
the
triple
a
network,
but
it
appears
on
google
maps.
C
However,
it's
in
such
rough
shape
that
anybody
in
their
right
mind
would
take
the
road
rather
than
taking
the
trail,
and
what
that
does.
Is
it
it's
fine
by
me,
but
for
people
that
have
maybe
less
less
security
riding
in
the
street
that
that
trail
goes
unused
and,
basically
is
you
know
it's
a
sad
shape,
so
I
guess
this
intersection
that
you're
doing
here,
along
with
the
monroe
intersection,
which
needs
to
be
addressed
in
this
trail.
C
I
think
it's
worth
if
we
were
to
do
a
resolution
on
this,
just
to
comment
that
this
is
an
important
thing
and
that
the
city
really
needs
to
look
at
deciding
how
to
how
to
work
with
the
you
know,
the
development
there
to
get
this
trail
fixed
because
it's
it's
an
important
trail
that
you
have
to
go
on
the
other
side
of
the
railroad
tracks
to
get
the
first
avenue,
which
is
a
whole
different
animal.
C
The
next
bike
facility
is
eighth,
so
going
east
west
in
this
section
is
rather
limited
and
again
it
takes
you
to
the
river
or
takes
you
to
central
avenue.
M
Yeah
understood
I
have
had
communications
with
other
divisions,
our
our
division,
that
does
our
maintenance
for
trails
and
and
such
and
I
have
talked
to
them
and
with
this
not.
This
is
not
a
trail
that
the
the
city
maintains
it's
not
something
that
the
city
has
owner
that
takes
ownership
of.
A
I'll,
just
I
just
want
a
quick
comment.
You
know
it
isn't.
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
this.
I've
worked
on
this
to
see
who
who
has
ownership
over
this
trail
for
probably
about
five
years
now.
The
city
just
says
that
they
don't
own
it
or
they
don't
maintain
it.
But
it's
clearly
in
the
right
of
way
it's
was
expanded
to
put
in
in
the
right
of
way
and
I'm
still
looking
to
find
any
sort
of
agreement.
I
mean
what
happened
to
it.
A
Is
the
city
says
it's
not
our
responsibility
and
then
the
homeowners
say:
well,
it's
not
our
responsibility
either.
So
it's
not
getting
done
and
you
know
frankly,
you
know
public
works
has
just
kind
of,
and
that's
not
the
way
to
get
things
done.
I
don't
know
how
this
anybody
can
decide
or
anybody
can
have
some
sort
of
proof
of
who
actually
is
supposed
to
maintain
this
thing,
because,
right
now
it's
not
getting
done
and
it's
not
going
to
get
ever
done.
A
If
we
don't
have
some
sort
of
agreement
or
some
city
staff
actually
finds
a
document
that
says
who's
responsible
for
it
and
that's
one
thing
that
I've
been
working
on
and
you
know
once
I
leave
the
bac,
I'm
probably
going
to
work
on
it
more
as
a
private
citizen.
But
you
know
this
kind
of
this
kind
of
conversation
got
away
from
this
and
into
that
trail.
But
you
know
it's
it's
important
and
you
know
I
did
see.
A
City
maintenance,
crews
do
some
patches
on
that
trail
between
maine
and
second,
it's
it's
just.
It's
just
baffling
that
that
the
city
and
public
works
hasn't
stepped
up
to
figure
out
who
owns
it
and
or
it
makes
the
people
if
they
say
that
it's
the
town
homes
that
there's
responsible
to
fix
it.
They
need
to
tell
them
that
or
they
need
to
say
that
they
need
or
fix
it
and
build
it.
A
But
right
now,
just
like
anything
like
if
my
sidewalk
was
not
plowed,
I
would
get
fined
or
if
my
sidewalk
was
uneven,
the
city
would
come
by
and
make
me
fix
it
or
they
would
pay
to
fix
it
and
charge
me
and
the
fact
that
this
has
gone
on.
For
I
mean
I
put
in
requests
to
my
council
member,
I
put
in
requests
to
public
works
about.
Why
can
this
get
solved
and
it's
not
getting
solved?
A
And
it's
just
one
of
the
things
that
kind
of
irks
me
about
some
some
parts
of
city
politics
where,
if
people
they
just
say
well,
it's
not
our
responsibility
and
we
understand
that
you're
upset
and
the
neighbors
are
upset,
but
we're
not
going
to
really
do
anything
about
it.
We're
not
going
to
help
you.
So
with
that
matthew.
I
see
that
you
want
to
respond.
H
Yeah
I
just
want
to.
I
just
want
to
note
that
you
know
you.
I
think
you'll
find
receptive
staff
on
this
call
and
and
christian
and
I
have
looked
into
this
and
in
in
a
sense
exhausted,
like
our
options
available
to
us.
H
So
I
what
I'll
say
is
like
I
agree
with
with
what
you're
saying
like
on
on
the
surface,
and
I
heard
somebody
mention
passing
a
resolution
about
that
issue,
and
I
think
that
may
be
a
helpful
way
to
communicate
to
city,
council
and
and
other
public
works
staff
about
this
issue.
A
All
right
do
we
have
any
further
discussion,
or
should
we
try
to
work
on
motion.
E
I
just
have
one
quick
thing:
we
just
commented
that
13
foot
lane
widths
are
not
optimal
and
it
looks
like
here
because
of
the
reaction
zone
to
the
median
and
the
reactions
onto
the
curb
we're
at
13
feet
again,
and
so
I
wonder
if
the
city
would
be
willing
to
try
a
nine-foot
lane
here.
That
would
then
effectively
be
a
12-foot
lane.
E
I
feel
less
strongly
about
it
here,
because
there
is
a
there's
essentially
a
curve
for
the
driver,
because
you're
going
from
driving
against
the
center
line
to
avoid
the
parked
cars
to
driving
against
the
outside
curb.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
little
different
situation
than
what
we
were
just
talking
about
with
the
osseo
road,
but
still
it
could
be
a
great
precedent
to
have
a
nine
foot
lane
here.
So
I
think
it's
worth
exploring.
H
So
so
matt
can.
I
can
I
respond,
mr
sure,
so
I
want
to
note
that
the
osceola
world
was
like
between
like
three
and
four
or
five
feet
wider
with
the
median.
I
you
know,
I
think
you
could
definitely
make
the
make
a
case
or
make
a
recommendation
for
nine
feet.
I'll
note
that
13
feet,
I
think,
will
feel
pretty
narrow
and
it'll.
H
Definitely
look
narrow
too,
because
it'll
be
10
feet
of
black
surface
and
then
you
know
an
inside
curve
of
one
so
and
then
the
the
gutter
pan
on
the
right
side
will
be.
You
know,
18
inches
or
two
feet,
so
I
think
it'll
look
pretty
narrow.
I
I
don't
see
us
going
more
narrow
than
this
so,
but
I
just
wanted.
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
think
this
is
something
that
we've
worked
down
to
yeah.
So
I'll,
just
note
that.
A
Plus,
there's
a
two
really
big,
beautiful
ash
trees
that
got
saved
right
there
too,
so
it
does
make
it
seem
much
smaller.
It
does
a
good
job
of
doing
the
traffic
speeds.
I
think
all
right,
I'm
going
to
propose
the
motion
that
the
bac
supports
the
plan,
as
presented
with
a
special
request
to
of
city
public
works
to
determine
ownership
and
maintenance
maintenance
of
the
third
avenue
northeast
bike
path
or
slash
greenway
for
future
improvements
on
that
property.
A
Anybody
have
a
second
for
that
or
want
to
make
any
amendment
or
change
of
wording.
E
I
just
want
to
clarify
my
comment.
It
was
largely
I
want
to
be
consistent
as
we're
looking
at
things,
but
my
bigger
picture
reaction
to
this
is
that
I
think
it's
amazing
and
I
would
love
to
see
a
lot
more
of
these
around
minneapolis.
So
thanks
to
the
staff
team
for
your
work
on
it-
and
I
hope
it
becomes
a
really
common
precedent.
A
As
as,
like
somebody
said,
this
is
right
down
my
street
and
it
works
really
well
so
hearing
that
hearing.
A
We
need
to
clarify
just
briefly:
it
needs
to
be
ownership
and
maintenance.
We
know
who
owns
it,
it's
in
the
right
of
way,
but
we
don't
know
who
I
mean
who's
supposed
to
maintain
it.
So.
C
A
A
H
A
No,
but
we
determining
it
who
I
mean
if
you're
not,
are
you
not
saying
that
the
homeowners
are
maintain
or
you're
not
doing
anything
about
enforcing
them
to
their
maintenance?
But
I
mean
I
that's
the
thing
I
I've.
I've
done
research
on
this
and
I
understand
that
the
city's
says
they're
not
responsible,
but
that's
what
the
home.
That's
what
the
town
homes
say,
the
town
homes
say
they're,
not
responsible,
and
I
can't
find
anything.
C
C
A
Let's
is
every
I
mean.
A
Let's
chop
this
into:
let's
just
support
the
plan,
the
the
might
not
be
as
strong.
I
was
just
trying
to
think
like.
Let's
do
the
easy
part,
easy
and
then
the
second
part
we
can
determine,
because
I
think,
hopefully,
this
discussion,
we
can
have
fine-tuned
a
little
bit
since
staff
is
saying
that
they
are.
You
know
receptive
to
doing
this
work
to
find
out
who
ownership
of
this
is
so
just
what
let's
just
table
this
motion
until
the
full
bac
is
that
okay.
A
Oh
nobody,
robert
rules
me
here
about
needing
a
vote
to
table
it,
but
all
right,
let's
just
table
this,
we
have
the
general
idea
we'll
come
up
with
some
final
wording
and
I'll
bounce
it
off
of
dan
and
maybe
matthew
and
christian,
to
try
to
get
what
we
want
here.
So,
let's
move
on
thanks.
Everybody,
sorry
that
we
failed
ewan's,
getting
emotion.
P
Hey
everyone
amy
morgan
here
share
my
screen,
real
quick
with
all
of
you,
so
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
west
31st,
fed
safety
improvement
project
happening
at
the
intersections
of
emerson,
avenue
and
dupont
avenue.
This
is
for
30
percent.
So,
as
you
probably
remember
when
I
was
here
previously
just
a
little
bit
of
background
back
in
2013,
the
public
works
department
installed
temporary
bump
outs
at
each
of
these
intersections,
with
painted
curve,
extensions
and
plastic
delineators
or
bollards.
P
As
you
can
see
in
these
images
below
this
is
what
currently
exists
today
still
out
there,
so
in
2021
we're
looking
at
upgrading
this
infrastructure
to
do
permanent
curve,
extensions
and
pedestrian
improvements
at
these
two
intersections
to
enhance
that
crossing,
reducing
that
crossing
distance,
as
well
as
upgrading
those
pedestrian
ramps
to
be
ada
compliant.
P
So
looking
a
little
bit
closer
at
what's
currently
here
or
what's
not
here,
I
guess
you
can
see
where
those
temporary
bump
outs
currently
exist.
There's
also
four
different
locations:
three
at
dupont
and
one
at
emerson
there's
not
even
a
an
existing
curb
ramp
or
any
sort
of
curb
cut,
which
makes
it
extremely
difficult
or
impossible
for
people
in
wheelchairs
or
other
mobility
mobility
devices
to
cross
at
these
locations.
P
These
curve
extensions
are
7
feet
similar
to
what
is
out
there
today.
They
are
a
bit
longer
in
length,
however,
these
this
project.
The
proposal
here
offers
increased
green
space
as
well
as
some
opportunities
at
emerson
avenue,
specifically
for
green
infrastructure
improvements
there.
P
So
one
thing
I
want
to
note
here
is
that
west
31st
street
is
on
the
it's
identified
as
a
bicycle:
future
bicycle
corridor
and
the
transportation
action
plan
and
I'll
just
note
that
these
curve
extensions
will
not
prohibit
any
sort
of
future
bike
infrastructure
along
here,
so
make
that
very
quick.
I
know
we're
a
little
bit
behind
on
time,
I'll
open
up
to
any
questions
or
comments
that
you
guys
might
have.
E
I
have
one
quick
comment:
the
project
look
looks
good
to
me.
The
one
thing
I
think
that's
an
opportunity
if
we're
making
changes
to
the
curb
lines,
is
to
also
narrow
the
crossing
distances
in
the
east-west
direction,
so
at
emerson
and
that
dupont,
if
you're
crossing
each
of
those,
so
I'd
request
that
that
be
added
to
the
design,
so
that
all
four
crossing
directions
get
improved.
P
Yeah
I'll
note
that
we
did
explore
that
and
when
we
looked
at
the
cost
estimates,
it
was
just
not
realistic
with
the
budget
that
we
have
for
this
project.
Unfortunately,
and
so
those
are
one-way
streets.
Currently
dupont
is
one
way,
northbound
emerson,
southbound,
and
so
we
do
hope
that
the
majority
of
the
speeding
is
happening
or
we
don't
hold
them.
When
we
reframe
that
the
speeding
that's
happening
on
west
31st
street,
the
bump
outs
will
help
slow
down
traffic
there
and
just
allow
pedestrians
to
be
a
little
bit
more
visible.
P
J
A
Sure
real
quickly,
I'll
move
to
I'll
say
that
I'm
sorry
matthew
did
you
want
to
make
a
motion?
Did
you
want
to
make
emotion,
include
your
comments,
or
are
you
satisfied
or.
E
No,
that
makes
sense
to
me
about
the
budget.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
the
one
concern
I'd
have.
Is
you
know
when
will
the
budget
come
and
isn't
there
some
efficiency
to
doing
it
all
at
once?
But
you
know
if
you've
looked
at
it.
I
appreciate
that
you've
looked
at
it
and
I'd
rather
see
the
the
project
as
proposed
move
forward.
Then
try
to
wait
for
more
funding
here.
P
And
I'll
know
that
we
can
look
a
little
bit
closer
at
the
curb
radii
specifically
since
they
are
one-way
streets,
I'm
tightening
up
that
curb
radii,
which
would
help
with
showing
people.
You
can't
turn
that
way
as
well,
so
that
could
potentially
help
as
well.
We'll
look
at
that.
A
All
right
with
that,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
the
bac
approve
approves
the
night.
What's
the
wording
supports?
Thank
you.
That's
the
point.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
If
the
vac
supports
the
project
as
planned
with
the
possible
improvements
of
in
tightening
up
turning
rate,
it
says
radii
on
the
one-way
streets.
E
A
O
N
J
I
A
F
Hi,
my
name
is
katie
white.
I'm
gonna
pull
up
my
screen,
although
I'll
give
you
a
heads
up
it
sort
of
takes
a
while
to
load.
When
I
try
to
share
it,
I
also
have
a
two-year-old
in
the
background,
who's
very
excited
about
vacuuming
and
asking
my
husband
to
vacuum.
So
I
will
just
give
you
a
heads
up
that
that
might
be
what
you're
hearing.
F
F
I
have
the
graphic
on
most
of
these
slides.
So,
even
though
I'm
going
to
page
through
them,
the
material
should
be
fairly
consistent
and
hopefully
you'll
be
able
to
see
it
throughout.
And
then,
when
I
go
for
questions,
I'm
happy
to
change
slides,
but
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
things
are
gonna
gosh.
Did
it
go
away
for
you
guys?
Could
you
still
see
the
screen?
Oh
here
it
is
it's
there.
Yes,
this
happens
every
single
time
and
the
other
thing
that
happens
is
I've
lost.
My
team's
window,
so
please
interrupt
me.
F
If
there's
something
technically
wrong,
I
won't
be
able
to
see
any
waving
or
cute
kids
or
anything
in
the
chat,
so
a
refresher.
I
was
here
several
months
ago,
maybe
may
or
june
we're
looking
at
reconstructing
franklin
avenue
from
hennepin
avenue
on
the
west
to
lindale
avenue
on
the
east.
So
it's
just
three
blocks,
but
it's
a
pretty
interesting
stretch
of
roadway
we're
spending
2020
coming
up
with
a
concept
design
we're
going
to
be
tying
up.
F
We
did
engagement
over
the
summer
using
an
open
house,
neighborhood
meetings
and
online
surveys,
and
we
actually
got
really
good
feedback
on
the
online
survey.
I
was
very
happy
with
that
showing
a
strong
interest
in
improving
the
environment
for
walking
and
biking.
We
did
a
prioritization
exercise
on
the
survey.
Monkey
and
walking
was
easily
number.
F
One
and
biking
was
a
close
second
concerned
about
safe
travel
along
and
also
across
franklin,
improving
transit
corridor,
greening
speed
reduction
for
vehicles,
and
we
did
get
some
kind
of
parking
and
car
access
because
it's
a
very
highly
it's
a
dense
residential
neighborhood
on
both
sides
of
franklin
and
a
lot
of
comments
were
colored
by
the
pandemic,
and
this
take
out
curbside
pickup
culture
and
concerns
about
using
transit.
F
F
I
will
call
out
that
this
transit
stop
is
in
the
wrong
location,
pulling
the
transit
stop
closer
to
bryant
here
as
part
of
it
and
otherwise
driveway
access
and
everything.
This
number
one
here
in
the
middle
between
bryant
and
aldrich,
is
the
location
of
this
cross
section
that
you
see
across
the
bottom.
You
know
the
bike
facilities
in
green,
even
though
it
would
be
in
black
ice.
But
hopefully
you
know
this
is
on
the
north
end.
Bed
bike
boulevard
car
space
and
then
this
is
the
southern
end
of
that.
F
So
that's
how
we'll
look
at
this
graphic,
so
we
have
some
new
components
and
I'll
go
through
these,
as
I
said
pretty
quickly,
and
then
I'm
happy
to
take
comments.
Looking
at
the
median
at
bryant
avenue,
making
some
changes
to
it
greet
adding
green
space
on
most
block
segments,
more
comfortable
pedestrian
space,
having
a
behind
the
curve
bicycle
lane
on
each
side,
improved
bus
stops
and
retaining
five
parking
spaces
in
the
corridor.
F
So
first
is
the
median
at
bryant
avenue.
Of
course,
bryant
avenue
is
designated
as
a
bicycle
boulevard
today
to
the
north
of
franklin
here
this
bryant
curves
around
and
turns
into
the
loring
greenway
as
a
highly
trafficked
pedestrian
or
I'm
sorry
bicycle
corridor
about
1200
bicycles
per
day
coming
through
here
and
today.
F
We
are
also
currently
showing
this
as
all
concrete
because
of
maintenance
questions,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we're
looking
at
taking
more
feedback
on
in
the
next
stage
of
this,
the
off
street
bicycle
facility.
As
I
said,
it's
the
dark
gray
black
ice
treatment,
five
feet
wide
in
all
all
locations.
It
doesn't
get
narrowed
at
all.
It's
behind
the
curb
it's
at
sidewalk
height,
it's
adjacent
to
the
pedestrian
space
and
then
also
the
boulevard
space.
So
it
maintains
the
two
foot
clear
zone
on
both
sides
of
the
five
foot
bike
lane.
F
F
Usually
when
we
look
at
planting
trees,
we
look
for
a
minimum
of
four
feet
in
order
to
put
a
small
fruit
tree,
but
in
this
location,
where
the
number
one
is
we're
at
about
10
feet
of
boulevard
space,
and
that
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
potentially
put
some
larger
trees
in
it
hasn't
been
determined
how
many
or
what
breed
or
species
the
tree
would
be,
but
just
a
huge.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
dramatic
difference
for
the
experience
a
lot
franklin
from
what
it
is
today.
F
Again,
more
comfortable
pedestrian
space
sidewalk
will
now
be
at
least
six
feet
wide
in
all
locations.
I
think
over
here,
as
you
get
closer
to
hennepin,
it's
going
to
be
eight
or
nine.
I
think
much
wider
right
now.
We're
showing
this
as
a
one
foot
tactile
buffer
strip
between
the
pedestrian
space
and
the
bicycle
space.
F
F
The
bus
stops
is
also
a
a
really
important
upgrade
here
currently
on
hennepin
avenue.
There's
one
bus,
shelter.
That's
you
know
diagonal
here
on
the
corner
and
it's
meant
to
serve
the
route
6
customers
traveling
on
hennepin
avenue
and
the
route
2
customers
on
franklin.
You
know
the
pole
is
actually
over
here
and
right
now,
it's
just
a
pole,
but
it
looks
like
we
can
fit
a
standard
size,
metro,
transit,
shelter
here
on
franklin,
looking
at
adding
electric
or
other
services
inside
the
shelter
to
improve
the
customer
waiting
experience
here.
F
This
side
of
lindale
and
the
southwest
corner
of
lindale
will
also
have
a
shelter,
but
here
on
the
north
side
of
franklin
and
the
northwest
corner
of
glendale,
since
it
is
the
end
of
the
route
too,
there's
no
one
really
waiting
for
buses
here,
so
we're
maintaining
the
sign
boat
signpost
with
a
bench
that
currently
exists
today
we
are
retaining
five
parking
places
on
franklin
through
this
project.
Three
of
them
are
in
the
space
here.
F
You
know
this
number
one
that
we're
showing
this
is
a
parking
bay
and
it
will
accommodate
three
vehicles
here
and
by
using
the
bay
it
pulls
the
cars
out
of
traffic
a
little
bit,
giving
a
little
more
protected
experience
for
all
users
and
then
there's
one
parking
space
here
on
the
east
side
of
aldrich
and
then
another
one
here
on
the
side
of
that.
F
So
for
a
total
of
five.
Currently
there
are
a
variety
of
parking
restrictions
on
franklin
daytime
daytime
evening
or
sorry
weekday
weekday
evening
and
weekend
are
all
different,
not
sure,
yet
what
those
restrictions
might
be.
B
Questions
I
have
a
question
so
first
of
all,
this
looks
great.
This
is
super
exciting
to
see,
especially
I
just
pulled
up
while
you're
talking
the
existing
conditions
on
street
view.
Just
to
remind
myself,
since
I
haven't
been
there
so
great
work,
I
had
a
question
as
someone
who
bikes
on
bryant
pretty.
B
As
a
route
to
get
downtown,
I
know
between
lake
street
and
franklin,
even
though
it's
super
narrow
in.
M
B
A
lot
of
times,
there's
vehicle
traffic
that
I
I
imagine
is
probably
coming
from
franklin
to
get
to
lake
street
bypassing
hennepin,
and
they
go
fairly
fast.
B
Given
the
conditions,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
throw
out
there
as
just
an
idea
to
consider
if
there's
a
way
to
cul-de-sac
that
north
end
of
bryant
at
franklin,
using
maybe
mountable
curve
as
your
as
you
added
for
the
median
and
some
grass
or
something
to
make
it
appear,
not
mountable,
just
some
something
along
those
lines
just
to
discourage
that
through
traffic
along
the
bike.
Boulevard.
B
C
B
C
Okay,
there
we
go
yeah,
just
a
quick
question
around
the
symbol
number
one
to
the
lower
left.
There
is
like
a
small.
Is
that
an
alley
there
with
that?
Little?
What's
that.
C
Driveways,
okay
and
so
same
north
of
that
and
then
same
is
true
when
you
go
east
before
glendale,
those
are
driveways
as
well.
F
F
C
So
I
guess
again
taking
the
vision,
zero
recommendation
and
what
aaron
just
said.
Something
like
tabled
intersections
here
would
be
an
interesting
idea
to
pursue
with
the
zebra
crossing
going
across
it.
So
there
is
a
clear
indication
that
cars
are
crossing
through
a
a
path,
and
this
would
be
very
similar
to
what
was
proposed
and
is
being
done
on
johnson
street,
which
is
again
a
hill
and
traffic
is
coming
off
of
it
and
they
are
met
with
a
a
raised
tabled
intersection
across
that
whole
section.
F
Yes,
we
are
absolutely
exploring
table
at
intersections
on
aldrich
and
bryant
here,
as
as
you
mentioned,
you
know,
as
you
cross,
the
driveways
it'll
be
flat,
but
yes,
we're
looking
at
table
crossings
on
the
streets.
I
I've
heard
conflicting
reports
so
far
on
table
crossings
and
hills.
But,
as
you
said,
we
have
experience
now
with
johnson
and
so
I'm
going
to
see
what
we've
learned
from
that
and
see
if
we
can
fit
that
into
a
30
design.
C
And
then
the
what's:
the
interaction
with
the
bus
stations
and
the
bike
lane
there.
F
Sure
so,
there's
plenty
of
space.
So
what
we
don't
have
is
where
the
shelter
touches
the
bike
space.
We
don't
have
that.
I
don't
remember.
The
exact
number
matthew
was
in
the
meeting,
but
several
weeks
ago,
there's
at
least
one
or
two
feet
between
the
back
of
the
bus,
shelter
and
the
bike
facility.
Well,
it
must
be
two
feet
because
we
need
the
two
of
the
clear
zone
so
yeah.
F
It
would
be
two
feet
and
I
think
that
the
back
of
the
shelter
like
if
you're
in,
if
you're
standing
in
the
shelter
you
have
to
walk,
then
south
you
know
a
foot
to
walk
around
and
get
to
your
loading
zone
at
the
front
of
the
bus.
C
I
was
just
wondering
if,
where
you
have
the
one
foot
divider
that
is
sort
of
separating
the
bike
lane
from
the
sidewalk,
maybe
that's
an
area
that
is
more
visual
than
actually
physical,
that
in
case
you
need
to
get
out
of
the
way
of
pedestrians.
C
C
You
had
mentioned
that
at
hennepin
that's
a
fairly
busy
spot,
and
I
would
just
think
that
you
might
build
some
space
where
you'd
have
a
little
more
of
a
leeway
too,
that
people
would
be
in
the
bike
lane
and
the
bicyclists
could
move
into
the
sidewalk
to
avoid
them.
C
The
third
thing
is
there
any
signing.
That's
gonna
go
on
here.
That
really
says
it's
a
bike.
Lane
like
what
you
have
the
symbols
there
will
there
be
anything
that
will
denote
that.
H
A
Okay,
wes,
you
have
a
comment.
I
Yeah,
I
was
just
curious
about
thinking
about
how
that
bryant
median
is
gonna
work
and
I'm
like
trying
to
picture,
maybe
where
a
spot
like
this
is
in
the
city
and
just
can't
think
of
one
and
I'm
sure
there
is
but
like
how
is
that
gonna
work
with
snow,
I'm
wondering
if
like
like,
is
snow,
gonna
be
cleared
out
of
that
or
will
it
like
or
like?
I
Is
there
a
risk
of
it
kind
of
building
up
and
it
turning
into
a
barrier
to
be
like
kind
of
crop
like
that
you
have
to
get
over
as
opposed
to
just
through.
F
Yeah
sure
so,
city
crews
are
already
in
this
area,
servicing
the
lowering
greenway
bridge
just
to
the
north,
using
a
bobcat,
which
is
a
five
foot
blade
and
these
channels
here,
two
for
ped
and
two
for
bike
are
six
feet.
So
it's
not
a
significant
burden
to
the
crew
to
continue
just
move
a
little
one
block
south
and
to
clear
out
these
channels.
H
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen:
real
quick.
If
it's
okay,
since
I
heard
wes
said
it,
isn't
quite
familiar
with
what
that
might
look
like
so
40th
street
and
cedar
avenue,
it'll
it'll
look
like
this
and
you
can
see,
though
the
openings
there
it's
enough
for
like
the
typical
bobcat
to
get
through,
and
that
would
be
the
the
vehicle
type
for
winter
maintenance,
so
that
would
be
able
to
get
through
there.
A
Sounds
great
jesse,
did
you
have
a
I'm
sorry
wes?
Are
you
finished
with
your
comments?
Oh
good
jesse
did
you
have
yeah
your
digital
hands
raised.
N
Yeah
the
the
trail
on
the
south
side
there's
a
bend
in
treatment
along
those
two
driveways,
but
there
aren't
really
any
bend
in
treatments
on
on
the
other
driveways.
I
was
wondering
if
there's
a
specific
reason,
reason
for
that.
If
there's
utilities
in
the
way
or
something
yeah.
F
Yeah,
I
just
had
a
meeting
about
that
this
afternoon,
and
so
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
is
probably
going
to
change
by
30
percent.
There
is
currently
an
encroachment
on
this
side
of
the
street
and
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
getting
guidance
to
remove
that
encroachment
and
make
this
bike
path.
Straighter.
A
K
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
this
design.
It
looks
really
great
so
far.
I
used
that
metro
transit
stop
over
by
hennepin
regularly
you
know
years
ago,
and
it
was
a
little
bit
of
an
issue,
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that
that
has
been
considered
and
that
you
know
this
is
just
further
proof
that
bike
facilities
can
also
complement
other
modal
users,
and
this
is
a
really
good
example
of
that.
So
thank
you
for
for
all
of
this
consideration.
F
F
A
15,
would
you
like?
Is
there
any
further
comments,
or
should
we
have
some
action
on
this.
E
One
quick
comment,
in
addition
to
saying
thank
you
as
well.
I
think
this
is
great
and
it
sets
a
great
precedent
for
franklin,
avenue,
east
and
west
of
here,
so
really
really
appreciate
it.
E
The
quick
question
I
have
is
whether
aldrich
and
bryant
on
the
south
side
of
franklin
could
have
really
aggressive,
curb
bump
outs
so
that,
as
people
are
driving
along
franklin,
they
don't
feel
invited
to
take
a
quick
turn
down
bryant,
especially
so
you
know
still
some
access
for
local
residents,
but
not
encouraging
those
terms.
F
You
know
we
did
look
at
bump
outs
already
and
I
think
we
talked
about
in
the
very
beginning,
and
we
ruled
it
out
for
some
turning
movement
reasons,
because
the
median,
especially
at
bryant,
was
encroaching
really
closely.
It
was
really
narrowing
the
the
area
and,
and
so
bump
outs
were
sort
of
like
you
could
either
do
the
median
or
you
could
do
the
bump
outs
at
bryant
and
then
at
aldrich.
F
The
concern
is
because
it's
a
skewed
intersection,
you
run
into
the
same
turning
movements
concerns,
but
you
know
that
was
something
that
was
ruled
out
very
early
in
the
process
and
now
that
we're
really
firming
up
on
this
as
a
direction,
I'm
wondering
if
something
has
changed
along
the
way
that
makes
that
worth
reconsidering.
F
So
I'll.
Ask
that
question
again.
E
Yeah,
I
wonder
if
it's
something
sort
of
like
what
I
think
was
mentioned
earlier,
that
you
know
maybe
it's
a
bump
out,
but
it's
mountable
if
there's
a
large
vehicle
that
needs
access,
but
for
the
for
the
average
driver.
It's
you
know
really
helps
narrow.
That
turn.
F
Yeah,
you
know
for
let's
see
if
I
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit
for
the
bryant
median
when
we
talk
about,
is
it
mountable
and
like
who
can
use
it
and
everything,
let's
see
if
I
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit
this.
You
know
the
ending
of
this
and
then
there's
this
harder
line.
This
area
is
sort
of
a
sloped.
It's
not
super.
A
Wow,
this
is
a
monumental
project.
It's
a
very
important
three
blocks
in
our
city.
Thank
you,
katie.
Do
we
need
15
percent?
Do
we
want
some
action
item?
Anybody
feeling
brave
enough
to
propose
a
motion.
B
Would
it
would
it
be
helpful
to
just
say
something
about
how
we
support
the
project
at
this
point
and
look
forward
to
see
future
revisions
or
for
future
versions.
B
O
I
O
A
O
C
O
N
O
O
Great
wes,
yes,
you.
H
F
F
A
Well
thought,
thank
you
so
much,
oh,
no
problem
helping
and
thanks
all
so
thank
you
to
all
our
presenters
and
all
our
participants
today
and
all
of
staff.
This
is
a
very
nice
thing
to
have
and
microsoft
teams
why
not
just
kidding
they're
getting
theirs.
I
think
that
takes
anybody,
any
announcements,
announcements
or
can
we
end
15
minutes
early.
I've
been
sitting
in
this
chair
a
long
time.
A
So
I'm
eager
to
go
so
not
hearing
any
announcements.
I
believe
we
are
finished.