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The
motion
carries
and
the
agenda
is
adopted.
The
next
item
is
the
chairs
report
and
I
have
nothing
to
report.
That's
not
already
on
our
agenda,
so
we'll
proceed
to
the
only
substantive
item
of
discussion
on
the
agenda,
which
is
considering
next
steps
with
respect
to
the
city
council's
proposed
charter,
amendment
related
to
community
safety
and
violence
prevention,
as
we
did
before
our
vote
to
request
our
additional
time.
B
I
would
like
to
refer
this
to
a
work
group
which
I
am
proposing
that
we
slightly
reconstitute
and
I'm
proposing
that
the
members
of
the
work
group
be
as
follows:
co-chairs
commissioners
newborn
and
rubenstein
members,
commissioner
kozak
commissioner
perry
commissioner
sandberg
commissioner
schwarzkopf
and
me
as
ex-officio,
and
this
would
be
along
the
lines
that
we
had
established
for
the
previous
work
group.
Everyone
is
welcome
to
the
to
join
the
meeting,
and
everyone
is
welcome
to
speak
at
the
meeting.
These
would
be
the
work
group
members.
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
that
proposal.
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B
That
motion
carries.
I
would
ask
that
the
chairs
the
two
co-chairs
of
the
work
group,
commissioners,
newborn
and
rubenstein-
please
call
a
meeting
of
the
work
group
sometime
within
the
next
week
and
I
know
the
regular
meetings
of
the
work
group
were
tuesday
afternoons
which
seemed
to
work
for
most
people.
But
I
leave
that
up
to
the
co-chairs
to
call
that
meeting.
F
B
F
B
Thank
you.
The
next
item
I
wanted
to
cover
is
just
going
around
the
room.
If
you
will
the
virtual
room
and
talk
about
information
that
we
want
the
work
group
to
have
and
to
look
at
during
the
next
roughly
110
days.
That's
the
time.
That's
left
over
from
our
additional
60
days,
plus
the
90
days,
additional
time
that
we
requested
and
I'll
start
I'll
start
us
off
just
to
set
the
table
and
then
we'll
ask
other
people
to
add
things
that
they
they
want,
and
the
work
group
can
take
or
leave
this.
B
B
If
there
are
any
inconsistencies
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
whether
or
not
the
proposed
amendment
is
consistent
or
in
conflict
with
state
law,
I'd
also
like
to
see
a
review
of
other
jurisdictions,
including
minnesota,
but
also
including
other
similarly
situated
similar
sized
jurisdictions
in
other
parts
of
the
country
to
learn
best
practices
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
investigation
results
when
that
is
available.
I'd
like
to
go
around
and
hear
from
others
who
might
have
things
to
add
to
that
laundry
list.
B
Please
enter
your
name
in
the
chat
if
you'd
like
to
be
recognized.
B
B
All
right,
that's
noted,
commissioner
abbott.
D
Yes,
I
think,
as
I
look
at
the
council
amendment
proposal,
there
are
essentially
three
elements
to
it.
There's
the
the
first
element
is
removing
the
barriers
to
restructuring
the
police,
which
is
remove
the
minimum
staffing
requirement,
remove
the
police
as
a
charter
department
and
giving
the
council
clear
authority
to
legislate
on
police
matters.
D
The
second
element
is
the
transfer
of
all
the
powers
related
to
the
police
from
the
mayor
in
their
entirety
to
the
council,
and
I
think
the
third
element
is
establishing
the
new
department
and
the
regulations
in
a
for
the
new
department
in
the
charter
itself,
and
I
think-
and
if
you
remember
from
last
week,
I'm
you
know
clearly
the
second
and
third
elements
I
have.
D
I
have
some
issues
with
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
the
work
group
could
could
somehow
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
need
to
have
another
another
public
hearing
or
not,
but
it
seems
to
me
it
would
be
worth
having
a
public
hearing
just
on
the
council
versus
the
mayor
issue.
You
know
what
what
element
of
the
council
proposal
is
net
you
know.
Does
the
council
think
it's
necessary
to
transfer
all
of
the
mayor's
powers
in
their
entirety
to
the
council
and,
if
so,
why?
And
I
think,
we've
had
a
lot
of
public
hearings.
D
D
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
be
introducing
a
substitute
or
discussing
a
substitute,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
we
could
pare
this
down
into
just
element
number
one
in
terms
of
removing
the
barriers,
and
that
might
be
a
lot
cleaner
for
us
to
to
discuss
or
kick
around,
and
I
I'd
like
to
at
least
get
a
process
started
where
we
could
talk
about
possible
amendments
you
know
to,
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
testimony
on
the
on
the
other.
D
You
know
what
of
these
three
elements,
which
ones
are
absolutely
necessary
or
not,
and
I
think
we
should
also
by
the
way,
invite
the
authors
of
this
amendment.
The
five
council
members
back
to
talk
about
you
know
which
of
these
three
elements
is
more
important
than
the
others
or
if,
in
fact,
they
really
are
some
sort
of
unitary
proposal
that
they
don't
think
that
can
be
separated.
D
So
that's
I
don't
know
if
that
counts
as
a
item
for
the
work
group,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
discuss.
B
The
opinion
of
the
city
attorney
with
respect
to
the
2018
amendment,
where
I
believe
the
city
attorney's
office,
opined
that
the
city
council
has
exactly
the
same
authority
over
the
police
department,
as
it
has
over
all
other
departments
in
the
city.
I
think
that
would
be
an
important
piece
to
consider.
Commissioner,
perry.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
you
mentioned
the
three
elements
that
I
would
have
I'll
add
one
that
I
brought
up
at
the
meeting
last
week,
and
that
is
the
what
our
partners
in
other
jurisdictions
would
think
about
not
having
a
police
department
to
interact
with,
so
that
that
would
be
the
one
thing.
In
addition
to
the
three
that
you
mentioned,
that
I
would
add.
B
B
A
Just
as
a
quick
aside
with
regard
to
the
residency
requirement,
I
do
know
that
that's
state
law
that
prohibits
municipalities,
yeah,
but
the
charter
can't
overrule
it.
So
you
know
we
can
certainly
take
a
look
at
it
again,
but
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
traction
there.
My
main.
I
Comment
would
be
a
subject
of
negotiation
between
the
police
union
and
the
people
that
will
be
establishing
reform
proposals
for
the
city
police
department.
It's
a
it's
a
topic
that
can
be
discussed
amongst
parties
involved.
A
As
we
go
through
this
process,
I
think
we
should
also,
since
we
have
this
time,
think
about
if
we're
going
to
come
up
with
our
own
responsive
proposed
amendment,
and
I
think,
since
we
have
close
to
four
months,
it's
useful
to
think
about.
Is
there
a
value
in
putting
together
a
larger
public
safety
group
underneath
the
control
of
the
mayor
in
taking
this
idea?
J
All
right,
thank
you.
I
think
this
might
be
included
in
what
chair
clegg
had
mentioned,
but
just
to
make
sure
I'm
just
curious
to
take
a
look
at
charters
within
the
state
of
minnesota
and
perhaps
other
states
as
to
whether,
in
fact
they
anybody
includes
a
mandatory
minimum
for
police
funding,
which
ours
has
and
also
to
look
at
whether
in
fact,
most
charters
include
departments,
including
the
police
department,
in
their
charters,
or
is
our
charter
significantly
different
from
others.
It
would
be
more
background
information.
J
Certainly
we
can
be
different,
maybe
that's
a
good
thing,
but
it's
something.
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
learn
a
bit
more
about,
but
as
far
as
just
what
we're
doing
with
the
amendment,
those
those
are
just
my
two
suggestions.
F
And
thank
you,
mr
chair
thinking
about
our
first
group
work
group
meeting
next
week.
I
put
together
quite
a
list
many
of
the
things
already
discussed,
but
I
had
a
few
additions.
F
Also,
I
would
like
to
see
the
city
council's
plan
for
community
engagement,
which
we
was
which
was
supposed
to
have
been
completed
before
now,
and
I'm
wondering
whether
they're
still
going
to
complete
one
and
if
so,
whether
we
can
look
at
it.
I
you
mentioned
share
clegg,
the
department
of
human
rights
investigation,
but
there's
also
a
settlement
agreement
now
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
and
learn
more
about
that.
F
F
Finally,
I'd
like
to
know
if
there
are
any
budget
studies
to
date
on
the
the
new
department
that
was
proposed
and
whether
there
is
any
work
in
that
area
by
the
city,
council
and
finally
well,
I
think,
and
most
importantly,
we've
discussed
from
time
to
time
the
fact
that
we're
all
not
very
clear
with
each
other
as
to
what
our
jurisdiction
is
and
what
we
can
propose
or
what
we
can
be
doing
in
the
next
three
months.
And
so
I
would
like
to
see
a
discussion
is
on
that
as
well.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
some
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
was
covered
by
very
well
by
commissioner
abbott.
E
We
need
an
inventory,
I
think,
of
what,
in
the
charter
other
than
the
the
minimum
personnel
requirement,
what
in
the
charter
either
implies
or
mandates
a
presence
of
a
of
a
police
department
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
seeing
in
the
charter,
all
the
things
that
do
apply
to
to
the
operation
of
the
of
the
minneapolis
police
department
and
also
are
there
are
these?
Are
there
obstacles
to
reform
in
the
current
charter,
and
then
I
would
hope
that
we
would
consider
or
think
about.
E
E
In
addition
to
that,
I
haven't
thought
this
all
the
way
through,
but
one
thing
that
is
going
on
that
we
see
we
saw
in
the
budget
discussions
that
the
council
just
completed
for
their
supplementary
budget,
and
I
assume
we'll
see
more
of
that
as
they
get
into
the
the
next
year.
The
big
budget.
E
What
I
see
is
there
are
all
kinds
of
functions
that
come
under
the
rubric
of
public
safety.
Some
are
the
traditional
police
functions,
but
some
were
getting
more
and
more
into.
E
I
guess
what
you
would
call
the
community
outreach
or
some
call
it,
the
the
social
work
functions
and
right
now,
what
I
see
they're
pulling
things
out
of
the
police
department,
and
some
of
this
is
done
by
the
police
administration,
some
by
the
council,
as
they
exercise
their
budget
prerogatives.
E
They're,
taking
a
lot
of
the
community
outreach
community,
policing
parts
of
the
of
the
current
police
department
and
they're
moving
them
into
the
into
the
department
of
health
into
that
division.
The
new
division-
and
I
I
guess
I
don't
want
to
put
an
undue
burden
on
it
on
any
of
the
staff
such
as
we
have
the
county
attorney,
but
in
other
jurisdictions.
E
How
are
these
things
handled?
Because
what
I
fear-
and
I
don't
know
that
it's
within
our
purview-
to
be
worried
about
this.
But
what
I
see
happening
is
a
a
police
department,
that's
little
by
little
being
stripped
of
its
community
outreach
operations
and
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
warrior
department
which
everybody
claims
we
don't
want
and
with
split
split
chains
of
commands.
E
So
I'd
like
to
see
how
other
cities,
if
we
do,
have
the
resources
to
find
out
how
other
cities
handle
all
these
different
functions,
are
there
within
the
police
department
or
are
they
as
we're
headed
now
in
minneapolis?
Do
they
bifurcate
the
community
outreach
parts
from
the
department
itself?
Thank
you.
L
Hello
yeah,
a
lot
of
the
items
that
I
had
on
my
list
have
already
been
listed.
I
was
going
to
speak
to
what
commissioner
cohen
just
spoke
about
as
well.
L
You
know
community
policing,
community
outreach
aspects
are
what
lead
to
diversifying
any
public
safety
officers,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
that
needs
to
be
tied
in
somehow
one
of
the
things
that
could
be
an
outcome
of
the
public
safety
work
group
that
could
be
helpful.
Some
sort
of
charting,
like
a
clear
charting
that
could
be
in
a
jpeg
and
posted
around
about
who
does
what?
L
What
I
heard
through
the
public
hearings
is
a
lot
of
conversation
about
things
that
the
state
had
control
of
that
we
didn't
have
control
of
or
things
that
the
city
doesn't
have
control
of,
but
does
so
if,
if
the,
if
we
could,
through
the
work
group
kind
of
map
out
some
of
those
points
that
were
raised
and
delineate
that
on
a
clear
chart,
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful
as
a
public
information
tool.
H
Okay,
I'm
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
was
looking
at
some
of
the
material
that
we
received
and
I
really
am
concerned
about
the
office
of
violent
protection,
which
is
in
the
health
department
and
and
the
police
department,
and
are
the
two
coordinating
with
one
another.
Are
they
carrying
out
their
you
know?
Are
they
talking
to
what
they're
doing
and
that
type
of
thing?
So
I
think
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at.
H
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
is
that-
and
this
is
off
the
subject
is
that
the
the
union
contract
is
now
open,
it's
being
negotiated,
and
now
the
time
for
the
city
council
to
make
sure
that,
in
negotiations,
the
union
contract,
if
there
are
police
officers
that
need
to
be
fired
or
reprimanded
that
we
can
take
out
whatever
the
problems
are
that
are
caused
by
the
union
contract
and
we
can
get
those
out
of
the
contract.
H
Now
the
city
may
have
to
give
some
things
to
do
that,
but
I
think
now,
the
time
to
do
that.
That
was
my
comment.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
schwarzkopf
and
I'll
add
something
to
the
list.
I
know
the
city
attorney's
office
is
already
working
on
sort
of
an
analysis
of
of
what
duties
do
we
need
a
licensed
officer,
a
licensed
police
officer
to
perform.
There
are
certain
things
that
only
a
licensed
police
officer
can
do.
I
believe
bert
osborne
of
the
city
attorney's
office
is
working
on
an
analysis.
B
J
Yes,
I'll,
try
and
make
it
brief.
Commissioner
rubenstein
mentioned
a
jurisdiction
determining
jurisdiction,
which
I
think
would
impact
when
we
ask
for
more
time,
or
even
just
doing
it
in
our
first
set
of
days.
J
D
Yeah
briefly,
as
we
look
at
other
cities
and
compare
what
we're
this
proposal
or
what
our
current
situation
is
to
other
cities,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
city
that
runs
its
police
department
exclusively
through
the
the
city
council,
and
I
think
we
should
as
long
as
we're
doing
comparative
research.
I
think
we
should
throw
that
question
in
to
to
the
list
of
things
to
look
at
in
terms
of
what
other
cities
are
doing.
D
The
only
the
only
real
analogy
I
can
think
of
is
portland,
which
has
a
commission
form
of
government,
and
so
it
has
like
the
mayor
apparently
traditionally
becomes
the
police
commissioner
in
this
five-member
commission.
That
runs
the
city,
but
I
don't
think
that's
analogous
to
what
the
council
has
proposed
here,
but
I
think
we
should
be
on
the
lookout
for
any
analogies
like
that.
So
just
just
something
to
add
to
the
list
on
comparative
research.
B
L
Just
another
thought
that
I
had
for
the
work
group
at
some
point,
and
I
don't
know
when
it
is
on
the
timeline.
But
at
some
point
I
think
you
should
bring
the
chief
back
in
to
talk
about
areas
of
reform
that
he's
working
on.
Because
since
I
work
in
a
neighborhood,
I
know
that
they
are
actively
working
on
reform
and
putting
a
proposal
together
about
what
that
means
and
they're
continuing
to
just
quietly
keep
doing
their
work.
L
B
A
Thank
you
just
very
briefly
the
question
about,
if
other
cities
in
their
charter
have
minimum
requirements
for
police
department,
I've
done
minimal
research
on
that,
but
san
francisco,
in
its
charter,
has
a
specified
number
for
minimum
officers.
Seattle
also
has
a
requirement
that
they
maintain
a
minimum
police
department
so
just
off
hand.
Those
are
two
cities
that
I'm
aware
of,
and
then
the
second
item
on
the
process
that
the
charter
commission
follows
when
it
reviews
an
amendment.
A
Just
we
have
to
remember
that
our
roles
differ
depending
on
how
the
charter
amendment
comes
to
us.
So
there's
a
big
difference
between
the
role
we
play
when
it
comes
in
as
a
voter
petition,
which
is
basically
a
rubber
stamp
in
the
role
we
play
when
it's
our
own
amendment
in
our
the
role
we
play
when
it
comes
from
the
city
council,
so
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
each
of
those
is
different.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
note
that
commissioner
newborn
has
joined
us.
Did
you
have
any
anything
to
add
commissioner
newborn
or
you're
just
noting
that
you're
you've
joined
us.
K
Thank
you
apologies
for
joining
late.
I
hope
I
have
a
few
things
to
offer
and
I
hope
I'm
not
covering
things
that
have
already
been
said.
K
First
of
all,
regarding
the
department
of
human
rights
investigation
on
the
human
rights
website,
they
have
a
page
for
the
investigation,
and
one
of
the
faqs
on
that
page
is
about
how
long
the
investigation
will
take,
and
the
answer
is
that
it
depends
on
the
community
engagement
process
and
how
cooperative
the
parties
are.
And
my
question
is:
what
community
engagement
process
are
they
using?
Is
it
something
that
is
perhaps
dovetailing
with
the
city
council's
process
and
what
was
discussed
at
last
week's
pogo
meeting?
K
K
What
happened
to
expanding
the
pilot
and
then
just
because
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
study,
they
had
pretty
good
outcomes
and
good
answers
to
how
to
pair
up
different
kinds
of
professionals
with
police
officers
in
order
to
respond
to
certain
situations.
K
Where
is
the
dysfunction,
perhaps
coming
from
fourth
really
trying
to
with
regard
to
what
the
city
council
is
doing
with
pogo?
I
didn't
catch
the
whole
meeting
last
week,
but
what
principles
and
best
practices
are
they
doing
with
regard
to
community
driven
bottom-up
engagement?
K
Are
they
having
a
type
of
steering
committee
made
up
of
community
members
and
perhaps
somebody
to
have
this
driven
by
the
public,
as
well
as
either
city
staff
or
the
city
council,
and
does
that
process
include
young
people,
because
at
this
critical
junction,
the
future
entrustment
of
the
police
department
lies
in
the
young
people
in
young
people?
K
Fifth,
what
is
the
council's
current
purview
over
setting
police
department
policy?
There
is
a
lot
of
criticism
and
frustration
that
they
couldn't
set
policy
and
there's
a
difference
between
to
whom
the
police
department
reports
and
the
standards
and
holding
the
police
department
to
standards
versus
policy,
and
then.
Lastly,
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
see
some
collaboration
with
the
city
council,
especially
what
comes
out
of
our
efforts.
K
Now
we
have
seen
some
rather
belligerent
behavior
and
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
turn
a
new
leaf
and
look
forward
and
look
collaboratively
and
put
our
problem
solving
joint
problem.
Solving
efforts
to
to
good
use
going
forward,
not
anything
less,
is
a
continued
disrespect
and
disservice
to
the
residents
of
minneapolis.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
have
hope.
Hopefully
briefly.
Two
things,
commissioner
cohen
mentioned-
talked
about
residency
and
there's
another
another
piece
in
state
law
that
I
think
prevents
the
city
from
doing
what
it
would
probably
like
to
do,
and
that
is
it
does
control
arbitration
with
state
law.
E
I
know
the
union
contract
the
city
had
and
the
union
have
had
some
latitude
about
how
to
deal
with
the
arbitration,
but
I
also
think
that
the
state
law
in
the
public
employee
relations
at
labor
relations
act
has
other
provisions
and
it
might
be
worthwhile,
maybe
as
we
go
along
and
ideas
for
reform
start
taking
shape,
is
there
what?
What
is
there
in
state
law?
E
That's
going
to
need
that
that
will
need
to
be
changed
if
these,
if
these
things
are
going
to
be
put
in
going
to
be
put
into
effect,
so
that
that
that's
something
that
could
be
probably
done
after
after
a
time.
The
other
thing,
though,
central
to
the
our
discussion
in
the
last
two
months,
has
been
the
size
of
the
police
department,
the
0.0017.
E
I
think
we
we
should
find
out
and
I
think
there's
probably
it
can
be
done,
and
I
looked
up
some
things
myself.
What
is
the
our
ratio
of
citizens
to
police
or
police
to
citizens?
We
can
figure
that
out
we're
gonna
have
about
430
000
people
in
the
city.
E
We
have
800
and
some
cops,
but
is
are
we
above
or
below
the
national
average,
for
the
size
of
the
police
department
relative
to
the
size
of
the
of
the
population?
E
And
I
think
that
is
you
know
we,
the
debate
so
far,
is
how
far
down
should
we
reduce
the
department?
E
Well,
people
forget
that,
just
a
year
ago,
or
a
year
and
some
months
ago,
the
chief
came
in
and
asked
for
a
couple
hundred
more
police
said:
that's
what
we
need,
and
this
was
before
all
the
troubles
we're
going
through
right
now.
So
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
know
where
we
stand.
These
are
the
other
cities,
other
cities
of
our
size,
other
cities
of
our
demography.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Kozak
there's
one
more
speaker
currently
in
the
queue
I'll
recognize,
commissioner
schwarzkopf,
but
then,
after
that,
let's
just
keep
in
mind
that
this
is.
This
is
the
beginnings
of
a
list
and
the
beginnings
of
the
things
we
want
to
talk
about.
I'm
sure
this
is
not
the
end
of
that
discussion
and
it
will
come
up
again
at
the
work
group
meeting
next
week
and
probably
keep
coming
up
at
work
group
meetings
after
that.
B
H
Two
points,
mr
chair.
The
first
point
is
that
city
minneapolis
has
a
police
contact
oversight.
Commission,
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing
or
how
they're
working
with
either
the
council
or
the
chief
of
police,
but
I
think
we
need
to
find
out
what
they're
doing,
because
some
of
the
things
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
anyways,
taking
a
look
at
policies
and
stuff
like
that
within
the
police
department.
The
second
point
is
that
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
need
to
take
a
look
at
what
is
the
structure
of
minneapolis
again?
H
B
You,
okay,
I
see
no
other
commissioners
in
queue
and
I
have
no
other
business.
So
we
will
adjourn
our
meeting
today
and
the
next
meeting
of
the
work
group
will
be
next
tuesday
at
4
pm.
So
we've
concluded
all
business
to
come
before
the
charter
commission
today.
So
without
objection
we
stand
adjourned.
Thank
you.