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B
Good
afternoon
welcome
to
this
virtual
meeting
of
the
charter
commission's
public
safety
work
group.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pending
for
the
record.
My
name
is
tony
newborn
and
I
am
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
charter
commission's
public
safety
work
group.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting.
Ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
C
D
B
B
B
Now
we
will
move
to
commissioners.
The
agenda
for
the
meeting
today
is
before
us.
May
I
please
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda
so
move
sandberg?
B
Is
there
a
second
part
great?
Mr
schwarzkopf?
Is
there
any
discussion
before
the
clerk
calls
the
role.
C
E
F
B
E
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
chair,
rubenstein
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
for
submitting
your
substitute
amendment
now.
Moving
on
to
item
two
on
the
agenda
is
our
interview
with
the
race
and
equity
team.
Joy
marsh
stevenson
is
here
with
her
colleague
and
we
will
move
on
to
the
the
interview
and
asking
questions.
B
So
I
believe
that
you
all
were
provided
with
the
questions
beforehand
and
officially
welcome
joy
and
her
team.
Are
you
all
on
yes
over.
G
B
See
you
now
great
to
have
both
of
you
all
here
and
we
appreciate
the
time
that
you
you've
taken.
You
did
receive
the
questions
in
advance.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
perfect,
so
we're
not
going
to
go
off
script,
so
we
will
be
asking
you,
those
questions
pretty
much
word
for
word.
Some
of
our
commissioners
may
have
questions
and-
and
we
encourage
the
commissioners
to
put
their
questions
in
the
in
the
chat.
B
If
you
need
us
to
clarify
anything,
please
as
we
go
along,
please
let
us
know
so
I'll
start
with
the
first
question
and
we'll
kind
of
start
bride
and
then
move
into
some.
Some
level
of
specifics
describe
the
work
that
your
office
performs.
G
G
We
work
on
both
racial
equity
and
transgender
equity,
and
so
we
cover
a
broad
spectrum
of
capacity
building
that
touches
on
either
of
those
really
large
categories.
Some
of
that
looks
like
actual
face-to-face
well
in
the
virtual
world
training
for
folks
we
do
so.
We
create
some
collaboration
spaces
for
folks
to
come
together
and
either
share
best
practices
or
build
communities
of
support
for
one
another.
G
So
that's
kind
of
broadly
what
we
call
capacity
building
and
parallel
to
that,
we
also
do
a
lot
of
policy
based
work.
And
so
we
support
all
of
our
city
departments
and
our
elected
officials
as
they're
looking
to
either
create
new
policy
or
to
update
existing
policy
and
ensuring
that
the
policy
will
lead
us
towards
more
equitable
outcomes
for
our
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color
in
the
city,
as
well
as
our
transgender
and
gender
non-conforming
residents.
B
Great
thank
you
for
that.
My
our
next
question
and
nicholas.
Do
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
add
to
it.
B
Okay,
perfect
and
moving
on
to
the
next
question,
describing
detail
how
your
office
and
the
work
that
you
just
described
and
the
work
that
you
do
partners
and
works
with
the
mayor's
office
city
attorney,
public
health
and
minneapolis
police
department.
G
Certainly
so
in
all
of
those
instances,
I
would
say
particularly
for
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
mayor's
office
for
any
of
our
city
departments,
with
hr
departments
or
departments
within
the
city
coordinator's
office.
We
will
work
typically,
as
requested
generally
for
types
of
support.
Sometimes
our
office
is
named
specifically
in
resolutions
or
other
actions
that
counsel,
like
staff
directions.
The
council
may
pass,
and
so
it
calls
for
us
to
be
part
of
working
groups
or
other
types
of
cross-departmental
collaboration,
collaborative
teams,
either
to
develop
new
policy
or
to
make
other
forms
of
recommendations.
G
We
do
also
create
tools
that
are
used
across
the
enterprise
to
help
staff
think
critically
about
the
impact
of
their
work,
their
policies
that
they're
a
part
of
implementing
or
practices
that
they
may
have
in
their
departments
and
ensuring
that
the
outcomes
of
the
implementation
of
those
policies
or
practices
contribute
towards
more
equitable
outcomes.
So
I
would
categorize
the
police
department
and
the
city
attorney's
office,
broadly
along
with
other
city
departments,
within
that
category
of
how
we
interface
with
all
city
departments
as
it
relates
to
the
mayor's
office.
G
G
So,
for
example,
last
year
with
the
mayor's
office,
we
played
a
pretty
active
role
with
them
and
supporting
the
development
of
the
mayor's
black
business
week
and
so
helped
there
and
doing
some,
organizing
and
planning
for
that
effort,
as
well
as
collaborating
with
the
mayor's
office
award
for
and
other
city
departments
like
cpad
and
the
city
attorney's
office,
in
supporting
the
upper
harbor
terminal
collaborative
planning
committee.
So
that's
the
types
of
things
that
we
might
do
with
an
elected
official
and
it's
typically
as
requested.
B
Got
it?
Thank
you
for
that
explanation.
The
the
third
question
that
I
have
is
I'm
pulling
them
up,
I'm
toggling
between
two
different
screens.
Right
now.
I
am
somewhat
familiar
with
the
work
that
that
you
all
do
and
just
kind
of
we've
combed
some
of
the
website-
and
I
think
you
may
have
talked
about
this
in
your
first
explanation,
about
the
work
that
you
perform.
B
But
could
you
explain
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
is
racial
equity,
equity
and
analysis
and
what
should
be
included
in
one
when
you,
when,
when
you
do
work
with
departments-
and
you
are
asked
to
to
work
on
a
particular
issue
and
you're,
looking
at
your
work
through
that
that
equity
lens,
what
type
of
analysis,
what
is
involved
in
a
racial
equity
analysis.
H
I
can
take
that
start
off
so
in
the
context
of
our
work
at
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
when
we
talk
about
a
racial
equity
impact
analysis,
we're
talking
about
a
standard,
a
standardized
tool
that
our
division
has
created
and
and
leads
on.
That
is
really
meant
to
help
staff
departments
leadership,
even
community
members,
when
there
are,
when
there's
work,
to
develop
policies,
programs
or
ordinances
and
even
in
cases
of
recommendations
coming
from
boards
and
commissions
that
the
racial
that
the
considerations
of
racial
activity
are
being
taken
into
account.
H
So
it's
it's
a
standard
set
of
questions
and
that
helps
guide
a
process
to
understand
what
the
impacts
would
be
on
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color
communities
across
our
city,
and
so
in
terms
of
what's
included
in
one.
We,
you
know
it.
I
think
we
sent
over.
Like
generally,
you
know
it
can
it
just.
It
just
looks
like
a
form
right,
a
form
with
specific
types
of
questions.
A
lot
of
those
questions
are
getting
at
two
critical
pieces.
H
One
are
you,
including
as
you're
thinking
about
how
various
policies
or
programs
or
operations
might
impact
residents.
Are
you
looking
at
racially
disagreed
data
when
you're
doing
that
analysis?
Are
you
looking
at
whatever
might
be
available,
whether
that's
program,
specific
data,
that's
broken
down
by
race
or
geographic
data,
more
population
level,
data,
that's
broken
down
by
race?
H
Is
that
being
included
in
the
development
of
a
policy,
for
example?
And
then
the
second
piece
is
once
it's
identified,
who,
who
would
be
most
impacted
by
whatever
action
is
being
developed?
H
So
broadly,
it's
labeled
as
community
engagement
right,
but
that
it
can
look
a
lot
of
different
ways
and
it's
saying
how
are
you
engaging
residents,
those
who
would
be
impacted
in
developing
whatever,
whatever
it
is,
you're
developing
and
then
there's
quite
various
questions
to
get
at
the
analysis
piece
of
once,
you
understand
who's
impacted
once
you've
included
those
who
are
impacted.
H
The
analysis
piece
of
like
there's
questions
to
draw
out.
You
know
what
what
will
be
the
racial
equity
impacts.
What
would
be
potentially
unintended
consequences
of
a
decision?
What
does
accountability?
Look
like
for
this
decision?
H
So,
there's
a
little
bit
of
like
some
evaluation
piece
built
in
as
well,
and
it's
really
meant
to
get
at
to
take
a
pause.
I'd
say
right,
so,
as
decisions
are
being
made,
it's
an
intentional
pause
to
say:
okay
is
what
we're
developing.
We
have
this
intent
and
we
have
an
outcome
we're
trying
to
achieve
after
going
through
this
analysis.
Are
we
actually
going
to
achieve
what
we
want
to
achieve
with
this
particular
proposal?
H
I'll
call
it,
and-
and
so
when
we
talk
about
a
ratio
in
equity
impact
analysis,
that
kind
of
process
is
what
we're
talking
about.
So,
even
though
it
you
know,
itself
is
a
form,
it's
really
meant
to
drive
a
process
of
making
a
decision,
and-
and
so
we
that's
a
that's
a
a
tool
like
that-
isn't
something
unique
to
minneapolis.
H
Lots
of
cities
implement
similar
tools
like
this
in
and
and
even
without
this
particular
tool.
The
questions
the
process
have
been
used
by
various
departments
or
staff.
You
know
beyond
just
before
this
tool
was
even
even
existed,
but
in
terms
of
the
city,
our
division
really
rolled
out
implementation
of
this
tool.
This
spring
across
the
enterprise.
E
B
Okay,
I
have
a
follow-up
question
to
that
as
it
relates
to,
and
so
thank
you
for
the
explanation
around
the
impact
analysis.
Have
you
worked
specifically
with
the
mpd
police,
the
mayor's
office
or
any
of
the
other
departments,
but
starting
with
mayor's
office
and
mpd
on
a
racial
equity
impact
analysis.
G
I
was
just
going
to
say,
I
think,
initially
in
the
design
of
the
racial
equity
impact
analysis
that
we
have.
We
engaged
a
variety
of
city
staff,
some
members
of
our
race,
equity,
community
advisory
committee
staff
from
the
mayor's
office
and
staff
from
council
vice
president
jenkins
office
in
designing,
along
with
the
clerks
and
designing
what
would
what
the
components
of
that
racial
equity
impact
analysis
process
would
be
for
the
city
and
so
to
that
and
yes,
absolutely.
G
We've
had
some
very
early
engagement
with
the
mayor's
office,
even
in
designing
and
imagining
what
that
tool
could
look
like
as
as
well
as
additional
education
that
went
in
for
for
some
of
the
leadership
within
the
mayor's
office
to
understand
the
tool
and
how
we
were
rolling
it
out
within
the
organization
and
what
they
could
expect
to
see
happening
as
staff
began
to
adopt
and
implement
it.
With
regard
to
npd.
E
G
Any
specific
contact
with
them
around
the
process,
but
I'll
defer
to
nick
on
that,
because
he's
closer
to
that
than
I
am
okay
great.
Thank
you.
B
H
Yeah,
so
again,
part
of
part
of
the
process
is
that
these
racial
equity
impact
analysis,
the
tool
or
the
process
can
be
used
in,
like
a
variety
of
situations
and
contexts
right
like
there's,
it
could
be
used
on
really
big
decisions.
It
could.
It
could
be
used
to
be
valuable
in
small
decisions,
but
a
corp
per
our
city's
strategic
and
racial
equity
action
plan
that
was
adopted
last
last
year.
It
is
kind
of
it
is
required
by
council
to
be
used
in
some
specific
instances.
H
So
while
it
could
be
beneficial
in
lots
of
ways,
it
is
being,
it
is
asked
and
required
by
council
in
some
in
the
legislative
process
in
a
few
specific
ways.
So
anytime,
there's
a
resolution
anytime,
there's
a
policy
or
even
a
new
policy
or
update
to
an
existing
policy
or
a
change
to
a
charter
amendment.
So
there's
these
specific
instances
when
it's
required
in
that
process
and
so
departments
can
request
our
assistance
or
our
our
you
know,
guidance
if
they're
working
on
something
and
they
want
us
to
be
involved,
provide
support.
H
We
offer
that
to
all
departments,
and
so
it's
really
up
to
the
department.
Again,
as
we
said
whether
or
not
they're
taking
like
they
request
us
to
be
involved
in
that
process
or
want
us
to
be
involved
in
that
process,
and
so
I
have
not
supported
directly
mpd,
I
think
we've
definitely
supported
health
department
on
a
few
of
their
analysis
for
various
items
and
then,
but
I
know
that
mpd
has
done
them
for
various.
H
At
least
I've
seen
one
that
they've
done
at
least
for
for
some
sort
of
decision
that
was
brought
forth.
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
it
was,
but
I
think
it
might
have
pertained
to
some
funding
or
something
so
again,
while
we
didn't
provide
direct
assistance,
in
that
instance,
I've
seen
they
have
used
the
tool
in
the
past.
G
Yes
and
just
to
add
to
that
as
well
with
regard
to
the
budget
process,
we
have
worked
directly
with
the
budget
office
and
the
mayor's
office
to
strengthen
the
language
and
the
inquiry
that
departments
need
to
go
through
need
to
respond
to
within
the
budget
process.
So
there's
stronger
language
in
that
in
the
budget
instructions
around
assessing
the
impact
of
any
sort
of
budgetary
request,
as
it
relates
to
being
able
to
close
racial
disparity
gaps.
So
that's
another
place
where
it
where
staff
are
required
to
to
to
respond
to
that.
B
Okay,
great
and-
and
this
may
be
jumping
ahead
a
bit,
but
I
think
it's
related
just
because
how
the
conversation
is
going.
You
all
are
familiar
with
the
proposed
amendment
that
came
before
this
charter
commission
regarding
the
police.
Okay,
did
you
prior
to
this
amendment
coming
before
us?
Where
did
you
all
have
any
involvement
and
in
working
with
the
council
on
from
in
providing
some
level
of
racial
equity
analysis
or
utilizing
the
tool
or
being
consulted
about
the
proposed
amendment
prior
to
it
being
made?
B
No,
no,
okay!
Would
that
be
out
of
the?
I
know
you
just
launched
it
officially
in
spring
in
the
spring,
but
would
that
be
out
of
the
ordinary
for
you
to-
or
I
guess
not
out
of
the
ordinary
since
it's
spring
to
summer?
But
would
it
be
within
your
purview,
I
guess
and
and
how
you
function
and
how
you
work
with
council
to
be
an
advisor
or
a
consultant
or
work
with
the
council
on
such
amendments?.
G
I
would
say
that
the
ways
in
which
we
work
with
council
and
with
council
is
really
dependent
upon
the
relationship
that
we
have
with
the
specific
council
member
and
I'm
not
saying
that
to
say
that
we've
got
favorites
or
they're
some
favor
us,
that's
not
my
point
but
like
in
some
instances.
We
have
council
members
who
more
actively
reach
out
to
us
and
include
us
in
work
from
the
very
onset
like
I've
got
an
idea
and
from
ideation.
G
I
want
to
make
sure
the
race
and
equity
as
a
division
is
at
the
table,
and
so
I
would
put
someone
like
a
council
vice
president
jenkins
at
that
end
of
the
spectrum,
not
by
herself,
but
that
she's
at
that
end
of
the
spectrum.
Whereas
other
council
members
will
be
generally
supportive
of
the
work
as
we
bring
it
forward.
But
they
may
be
less
inclined
to
reach
out
to
us
directly
and
involve
us
in
something.
G
So
your
question
around
whether
it's
normative
or
not,
for
us
to
be
involved
in
something
and
even
in
the
drafting
of
a
resolution
that
really
depends
on
on
who's,
offering
that
resolution.
Okay,.
B
Great
thank
you
and
is
it
nick
or
nicholas,
which
one
do
you
prefer.
H
C
H
Its
use-
and
so
you
know
we
didn't
anticipate
that
100
of
the
time
that
a
racial
equity
impact
analysis
when
it
should
be
used
that
it
is
going
to
be
used
right
like
we
hope
that
number
continues
to
climb.
But
I
think
we
were
at
the
last
quarter.
Update
was
around
30
of
those
that
and
again
there
wasn't
that
many
right
so
that
number
skewed
a
little
bit
but
like
was
around
30.
H
That
should
have
been
you
like
when
there
should
have
been
an
equity
announced
attached
and
they're
in
there,
and
there
was
right
and
so
and
now
in
this
quarter,
that's
gone
up
to,
I
think
40,
something
percent.
So
recognizing
that
you
know
this
is
a
new
tool,
that's
being
rolled
out.
H
We
know
that
there's
cases
where
instances
when
there
should
have
been
an
analysis
as
a
part
of
of
the
development
of
a
resolution
or
a
policy
or
or
whatnot
and
there's
been
cases
where
there
hasn't
been
one
done,
and
so
just
in
terms
of
like
it's
not
also
not
out
of
the
order,
there's
other
instances
where
we
might
not
have
been
involved.
There
might
not
might
not
have
been
an
analysis
done
for
a
particular
action.
G
Yeah
and
I'll
say
one
thing
that
has
changed
that
will
continue
to
change
in
subsequent
quarters.
Is
the
clerk's
office
has
worked
with
the
developers
of
our
back-end
legislative
information
management
system
to
because
because
the
instances
when
it
is
required
that
it
triggers
staff
who
are
submitting
requests
for
council
action
into
that
system
to
have
to
complete
the
race
equity
impact
analysis.
G
So
we
are
expecting
that
over
time
we
should
either
be
hearing
more
from
departments
who
have
not
familiarize
themselves
with
that
process
in
order
to
provide
more
coaching,
because
now,
in
the
times
in
which
they're
required
to
do
it,
there's
no
circumventing
that.
So
there
will
theoretically
always
be
one
associated
with
those
with
those
with
those
rcas.
G
And
then
the
opportunity
comes
for
us
to
to
do
more
digging
in
and
supporting
departments
in
increasing
the
quality
of
them,
as
they
shift
their
behavior
change
to
more
intentionally.
Think
about
the
impacts
of
their
decisions
on
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color.
B
Great,
thank
you
both
for
the
responses
to
my
multiple
follow-up
questions.
I
appreciate
that
moving
on
to
the
next
I'm
familiar
with
the
the
impact
analysis,
and
so
this
is
this
is
specific
to
the
structure
and
what
some
of
the
questions
that
you
all
asked.
Are
there
any
gaps
in
data
collection
with
respect
to
public
safety
in
which
the
city
now
engages
related
to
racial
equity?
It's
the
first
part
of
the
question
would
collecting
such
additional
data
be
helpful
in
achieving
equity
in
in
in
the
racial
equity
analysis.
G
You
know
we
so
nick
and
I
met
earlier
today
to
kind
of
talk
through
the
questions
that
you
have
here.
Admittedly,
I
would
say
generally
using
utilizing
racially
disaggregated
data
and
allowing
that
to
inform
your
decision
making
is
always
going
to
result
in
a
better
type
of
decision
that
you're
making
it's
going
to
be
a
much
more
informed
decision
and
hopefully
provide
a
much
better
opportunity
for
the
decision
makers
to
really
fully
understand
the
impact
of
whatever
decision
they're
making
on
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color.
G
I
am
not
close
enough
to
the
data
collection
that
mpd
does
to
say
definitively
one
way
or
another
what
gaps
might
exist?
I
would
say,
generally
speaking,
within
the
depart
within
the
city
as
a
whole,
we
are
continuing
just
across
the
board
to
really
mature
our
utilization
of
racially
disaggregated
data,
and
so,
if
there
are,
for
instance,
gaps
to
your
question,
if
there
are
gaps
in
the
data
that
mpd
is
collecting
they're,
not
unique.
G
B
Great,
I
appreciate
that
the
next
question
is:
are
you
aware
of
best
practices
in
other
cities
related
to
using
data
to
enhance
racial
equity.
H
So
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
hope
to
continue
to
build
out
is
a
more
centralized
hub
of
data
that
exists
that
can
just
make
it
more
accessible
to
the
rest
of
the
city
to
access
when
completing
their
analysis.
The
race
equity
impact
analysis
on
various
decisions.
H
Data
exists
right
and
there's
different
levels
of
how
much
where
it
exists
and
what
it
pertains
to
and
a
lot
of
times,
there's
data
that
would
be
useful
for
folks
that
they
just
don't
know
literally
exist,
whether
that's
city
data
or
outside
of
the
city
or
like
held
somewhere
else,
and
so
I
know
that
we've
seen
some
other
places
and
we
are
working
towards
building
out
a
lot
more
resources,
around
kind
of
creating
a
hub
of
racialities
area
data
to
make
it
much
more
accessible
to
folks
when
they're,
when
they're
looking
at
using
raa
in
their
decision
making
and
that
they
don't
have
to
go
down,
and
you
know,
hunt
or
get
to
the
point
where
they're
like.
H
Oh,
it
just
doesn't
exist.
So
I
can't
I
can't
fill
out
this.
This
section
right
so
that
would
be.
That
would
be
one
definitely
one
example
that
I
know
some
other
cities
have
been
able
to
build
out
joy.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts.
G
No,
I
mean
I
don't.
I
know
one
of
the
benefits.
I
guess.
One
of
the
benefits
that
we
do
have
is
that
the
city
of
minneapolis
is
connected
to
a
lot
of
other
jurisdictions
nationally,
who
are
building
that
internal
infrastructure
to
think
critically
about
race,
both
through
our
alliance
with
the
governmental
alliance
and
recent
equity,
or
through
policy
link
or
the
national
league
of
cities.
G
There
are
lots
and
lots
of
organizations
who
are
doing
work
around
this
type
of
area
and
recognizing
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
have
better
access
to
racially
disaggregated
data
and
so
to
just
to
add
a
bit
to
what
nick
is
saying.
G
I
feel
hopeful
that,
because
of
these
relationships
that
we
have
locally
and
nationally
that
that
our
ability
to
move
forward
in
providing
that
sort
of
a
resource
for
staff-
and
I
would
say
in
addition
to
that-
just
the
interest
in
city
staff
to
have
a
resource
like
that
set
this
up
pretty
nicely
to
be
able
to
at
least
begin
to
build
upon
that.
G
It
is
a
pretty
significant
bit
of
work
to
do,
particularly
because
there
are
key
areas
that
we
look
to
to
be
able
to
really
be
able
to
demonstrate
progress
in
addressing
disparities
where,
where
we
don't
actually
collect
racially
disaggregated
data.
So,
for
example,
one
of
our
city
priorities
is
around
displacement
for
renters
and
we
don't
really
have
solid
mechanisms
within
our
jurisdiction
or
within
some
related
jurisdictions
like
the
county
to
even
track
that
type
of
data.
And
so
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
big
obstacle
to
overcome.
G
But
but
there's
definitely
an
interest
and
being
able
to
solve.
For
that.
H
I
would
also
add
just
around
thinking
about
what
we
what
we
classify
as
as
data,
so
not
just
thinking
about
quantitative
data
as
as
the
standard
right,
but
knowing
that
there
is
really
in
that
qualitative
that
quality
of
data
is
super
important
and
it's
not
it's
sometimes
more
important
to
truly
understand
the
impact
of
racial
disparities
in
on
a
residence
and
so
including
quantitative
data.
Qualitative
data
in
the
process
is
just
as
important
as
any
quantitative
data
that
might
exist
that
points
to
disparities,
and
so
I
think
that's
just
another.
H
Another
component
is
like
really
in
cities.
I
think
I'm
thinking
about
cities
that
have
supported
and
built
infrastructure
around
that
data
and
and
really
thinking
about
not
even
just
gathering
but
thinking
about
it
as
data
right.
So
not
when
we
talk
about
community
engagement
as
community
engagement.
H
Well,
really,
that's
also
gathering
really
important
used
to
make
decisions
right,
and
so
that's
one
piece
and
then
also,
I
think
another
thing
is
as
we
as
a
city
jurisdiction
has
lots
of
examples
of
going
out
and
gathering
that
kind
of
data
gathering
data
from
community
engagement
or
from
qualitative
interviews
or
whatever
it
might
be,
having
a
place
where
that's
accessible
to
across
the
city
within
this
within
the
city
enterprise,
in
terms
of
not
going
out
asking
the
same
things
over
and
over,
and
so
sometimes
what
you'll
see.
H
What
can
what
can
happen
is
that
you
have
you
know
in
a
particular
project
or
initiative.
You
have
folks
who
go
and
ask
questions
related
to
something
and
ask
me
to
gather
quality
of
data,
then
that
lives
somewhere,
that's
what
might
be
siloed
and
then
two
years
later,
the
same
time.
Another
initiative
comes
up.
H
That's
going
on
asking
this
the
same
exact
things,
even
though
there's
might
be
a
wealth
of
information
data
that
can
be
used
in
that
decision,
making,
not
that
there
shouldn't
be
more
engagement
or
more
efforts
around
that,
but
really
knowing
what
you
know
already
and
and
starting
with
what
you
know
before
doing
any
sort
of
additional
information
gathering
around
a
particular
initiative
or
issue
or
challenge,
I
think,
would
be
another.
I
would
say
best
practice
for
cities.
E
B
I
think
we
I
I
asked
the
and
you
all
answered
the
question
number
six,
which
and
I'll
just
repeat
it
just
for
the
public
as
well.
You
know:
was
your
office
consulted
regarding
the
proposed
council
amendment
amendment
on
community
safety?
If
so,
what
information
did
you
all
provide?
Was
it
utilized
and
if
so,
how
was
the
information
utilized?
I
think
we've
answered
that
question,
but
if
they
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
respond.
If
you
had
additional.
B
Okay,
so
moving
to
the
next
question,
which
is
in
in
some
shape
a
follow-up.
What
role
has
your
office
played
in
hosting
community
engagement
events
in
response
to
the
proposed
amendment,
and
the
second
question
to
that
related
to
that
is:
do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
the
community
wants,
as
it
relates
to
this
issue
of
public
safety.
G
So
the
first
question:
what
I'll
say
is
our
division?
The
division
of
race
and
equity
was
named
explicitly
in
the
resolution
as
part
of
the
work
group
to
come
together
and
collaborate
with
other
departments
and
in
implementing
the
resolution,
and
so
in
response
to
that,
we
did
see
clarity
on
exactly
what
that
involvement
looked
like
because
it
was
not
explicitly
called
out
and
based
on
the
clarity
began
to
develop
a
community
engagement
strategy
based
on
the
best
practices
that
nick
just
raised
public
safety.
G
Community
safety
is
not
a
new
topic
of
engagement
for
the
city,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
anything
that
we
did
was
informed
by
what
we
already
know,
and
also
recognizing
that
there
is
a
myriad
set
of
work.
That's
happening
both
within
named
inside
of
the
resolution
and
other
related
work
inside
of
the
city
that
ties
to
community
safety,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
whatever
community
engagement
strategy
was
also
informed
by
those
efforts
as
well.
G
So
to
end
an
understanding
and
our
interpretation
of
the
resolution
that
any
sort
of
community
engagement
strategy
was
not
just
developed
in-house
but
was
actually
done
in
a
collaborative
effort
with
community
who
could
help
us
shape.
What
a
community
engagement
strategy
looked
like
that
type
of
co-created
engagement
and
responsiveness
to
community
is
something
that
we
have
actually
done.
G
A
significant
amount
of
work
in
inside
of
the
division
of
race
and
equity,
and
so
we
felt
pretty
comfortable
being
able
to
develop
the
strategy
and
to
be
able
to
collaborate
across
the
enterprise
and
implementing
that
strategy
and
have
significant
relationships
inside
of
the
communities
who
have
historically
experienced
the
most
harm
from
sexual
racism,
as
relates
to
community
safety.
G
And
so
we
developed
an
initial
proposal
around
community
engagement,
continued
to
advocate
for,
and
collaborate
with,
other
city
departments
and
teams
who
had
some
of
the
related
work
to
begin
to
build
some
of
that
infrastructure
so
that
we
had
more
of
a
supportive
network
between
understanding
what
already
exists.
What
is
it
that
we
already
know?
G
So
we
developed
an
approach
based
on
that
understanding
and
presented
that
approach
and
presented
some
of
the
needs
that
we
saw
as
being
important
to
come
to
the
table
and
to
have
available
to
us
sought
clarity
where
we
needed
to
have
clarity
sought,
and
that
would
have
been
back
in
the
august
time
frame.
G
And
since
that
time
the
city
council
has
decided
to
take
a
different
approach
with
regard
to
community
engagement
and
that
work
is
now
being
coordinated
through
the
health
department,
specifically
the
office
of
violence
prevention,
and
we
are
no
longer
participating
in
that
work.
As
we
have
observed,
a
lot
of
the
design
for
what
is
being
utilized
for
community
engagement
is
informed
pretty
heavily
by
some
of
the
things
we
put
forward,
which
is
not
to
say
that
that
we
are
necessarily
the
sole
creators
of
these
ideas.
G
As
we
understand
it,
however,
we
are
no
longer
engaged
in
that
work
around
community
engagement,
as
relates
to
implementing
the
resolution
and
don't
have
an
active
role
in
implementing
the
resolution.
At
this
point.
Okay,.
B
Great
and
I
think
casey
you
have
your
hand
raised,
I
apologize
if
I
ignored
it
for
the
last
five
minutes.
Is
there
something
you
wanted
to
add.
A
Madam
chair
only
to
call
attention
to
commissioners
that-
and
I
would
ask
joy
and
nick
to
speak
to
them
as
they
were
speaking.
It
occurred
to
me
that
these
might
be
things
they
referenced
the
tools.
So
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
what
those
tools
looks
like
so
I've
added
into
the
chat,
a
copy
of
the
race
equity
impact
analysis
tool
that
is
used
when
it's
submitted
to
council
and
council
committees
with
requests
for
committee
actions
or
rcas
and
also
a
chart
nick
mentioned.
A
There
are
certain
items
that
require
the
race
equity
impact
analysis.
There
are
also
items
that
require
a
fiscal
note,
which
is
something
separate,
but
the
chart
shows
when
either
or
both
of
those
are
required
for
certain
types
of
agenda
items
and
then
the
actual
tool
that
I
think
nick
referenced,
and
so,
if
nick
you
or
joy,
want
to
speak
further
to
that
you
can.
Obviously
I
just
wanted
to
give
them
a
visual
look
at
that
and
then
without
directing
too
much.
Hopefully
joy.
A
Perhaps
you
would
want
to
share
and
I
can
add,
a
link
unless
you
have
nick
tomorrow,
the
group
will
be
presenting
on
the
most
recent
update
to
the
city's
strategic
race
equity
action
plan
and
that
cuts
across
the
enterprise
in
many
ways.
I
know
that's
not
specific
to
your
task
here
specific
to
the
proposed
amendment
on
community
safety,
but
I
think
it
is
tangential
in
that
this
is
a
demonstration
of
the
type
of
enterprise-wide
cross-cutting
organizational
work.
A
They
do
in
partnership
with
all
of
our
departments,
including
mine,
and
how
that
impacts
the
work
of
the
city,
so
that
report
is
going
to
the
policy
and
government
oversight
pogo
committee
tomorrow
at
its
meeting
at
1
30.,
and
I
can
add
that
link
and
maybe
joy
and
nick-
can
take
a
few
minutes
just
to
speak
to
that
as
further
example
of
of
the
scope
and
impact
that
their
work
has
on
the
enterprise.
Thank
you.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
casey
and
joy
and
nick
feel
free
to
to
respond
to
casey's
nudges
slight
suggestions
about
what
we
should
discuss.
H
Sure,
first,
so
I
just
first,
I
also
dropped
a
link
in
the
chat
to
the
work
that
joy
was
referencing
prior
around
the
community
safety
efforts.
There
was
a
update,
a
presentation
given
that
our
off
that
our
division
was
involved
in
in
on
the
first
week
of
august.
So
I
put
the
link
to
that
presentation.
H
If
folks
are
interested
and
then
yeah
in
regards
to
the
the
strategic
and
racial
act
reaction
plan
update,
I
was
going
to
mention
that
during
the
first
question,
when
joy
was
responding,
but
as
just
an
example,
another
example
of
our
work
working
across
kind
of
all
those
both
departments
that
are
named,
but
also
across
the
city,
so
that
effort
what
started
last
well
started
more
lesser,
but
it
was
adopted
last
year
and
it's
it's
a
four-year
plan.
That
kind
of
that
sets
based
on
the
city's
various
goals.
H
It
sets
some
strategic
priorities
to
focus
to
to
develop
some
focused
strategies
around
addressing
racial
disparities,
and
so
the
seven
priorities
are
there's
three
policy
priorities,
so
housing,
public
safety
and
economic
development
and
then
there's
four
internal
kind
of
operating
priorities
around
data.
H
So
using
racially
disturbed
data,
which
the
impact
analysis
is
a
part
of
that
priority
around
community
engagement,
so
using
racially
disarrayed
data
and
impact
analysis
in
employee
boards
and
commissions,
using
diversifying
the
city,
spend
spending
with
suppliers,
specifically
with
professional
technical
services
and
then
workforce
retention.
So
those
are
kind
of
the
same
priorities
and
then
there
was
a
bunch
of
work
done
to
develop
some
metrics
and
some
key
kind
of
activities
and
vital
projects
to
help
the
city
achieve
the
goals
laid
out
in
that
plan.
H
And
so
the
point
of
the
really
the
purpose
of
that
plan
was
to
get
really
specific
around
some
really
specific
work
that
we
can
measure
in
those
priorities.
And
so
it
wasn't
meant
to
say
that
this
is
the
most
important
thing
within
housing,
for
example,
or
this
is
the
most
important
thing
within
public
safety.
But
it's
one
specific
thing:
that's
that
we're
gonna
focus
some
very
specific
work
and
track
metrics
around
to
see
to
see
if
we
can
make
progress
and
track
progress
towards
it.
H
And
so
we
give
updates
to
city
council
quarterly
on
that
plan,
where
we
provide
the
updated
metrics
and
the
updated
activities
that
process
owners
are
working
towards
and,
as
casey
put
the
link
in
that
update
for
quarter
three
is
tomorrow.
I
can
actually
put
the
link
for
the
last
update
in
there
too.
If
folks
want
to
see
what
the
quarter
two
update
was
like-
and
I
think
I
was
gonna
say
something
else,
but
I've
lost
it.
B
Now
is
there
anything
you
want
to
add
to
what
said?
Okay,
great,
thank
you
casey
for
that,
and
and
thank
you,
joy
and
nick
commissioner
and
chair
rubenstein.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
E
E
As
I
understood
it,
you
were
one
of
the
groups
named
as
part
of
that
process
that
you
sought
clarity
as
to
what
they
wanted,
basically
and
that
you
had
begun
working
on
a
community
engagement
plan
and
identify
community
members
or
groups
to
talk
to
which
I
would
guess
with
qualitative
analysis
you
just
talked
about,
and
but
I
wondered
where
that
process
stopped.
When
the
city
council
decided
to
go
in
a
different
direction.
If
you
had
gotten
this
far,
in
other
words,
I
was
starting
to
talk
to
those
community
members.
G
To
your
question
about
so,
we
have
not
actually
gotten
as
far
as
talking
so
much
to
or
actively
collecting
the
qualitative
data
from
community
members.
We
had
gotten
as
far
as
identifying
key
communities
that
we
wanted
to
prioritize
in
any
form
of
engagement.
G
G
But
again
we
imagined
we
interpreted
the
resolution
to
state
that
any
sort
of
community
engagement
plan,
a
formal
plan-
was
something
the
council
wanted
to
be
co-created
between
not
just
city
staff,
putting
something
together
but
actually
bringing
some
of
these
folks
together.
So
we
had
not
actually
taken
the
initiative
to
begin
bringing
people
together,
because
we
were
looking
for
clarity.
G
There
was
we
we.
We
were
aware
that
there
were
several
additional
conversations
happening
between
council
and
the
mayor's
office,
for
instance,
that
around
both
the
the
reimagining
community
safety,
as
well
as
finding
opportunities
to
align
some
of
this
work
with
some
of
the
efforts
that
the
mayor's
office
was
leading
around
reforming
public
safety
and
so
because
some
other
conversations
happening
that
we
weren't
at
the
table,
for
we
were
seeking
some
clarity
specifically
to
the
timing
around.
G
When
things
changed,
I
don't
know
they
just
changed
yeah
and
the
next
thing
we
knew
it
was
going
in
a
different
direction,
and-
and
maybe
it's
some
of
it's
20
20.
Maybe
it's
something
that
just
coveted
me
being
old-
I
don't
know,
but
it
changed
and
it
changed,
and
so
we
because
we
fundamentally
believe
in
the
work.
First
and
foremost,
if
that's
the
direction
and
the
fact
that
we're
all
here
at
the
service
of
our
council
and
our
mayor,
that's
the
direction
that
they
choose
to
take
in
order
to
implement
it.
G
Then
we
still
hope
that
the
outcomes
are
are
positive
and
that
the
people
of
minneapolis
are
able
to
realize
the
sorts
of
opportunities
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
as
it
relates
to
really
addressing
some
of
the
the
pains
that
we
particularly
for
those
communities
who
have
most
been
impacted
by
structural
racism
in
policing
that
they
have
the
ability
to
benefit.
That
is
our
art
and
hope,
and
if
that
happens
without
us
at
the
table,
but
the
outcome
still
gets
there.
Then
that's
great.
G
E
You
that
that
makes
it
much
clearer
and
it
sounds
like
the
work
you
did
was
whether
whatever
happens
with
it
was
invaluable
and
I
would
say,
really
inspiring.
So
thank
you.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
chair,
rubenstein,
move
to
the
next
question
here
which
should
be
on
our
list
is
question
number
eight
and
it's
a
somewhat
of
a
follow-up
to
question
number
seven.
What
structure
and
maybe
you've
already
talked
about
this
and
if
you
have,
we
can
keep
it
moving,
but
what
structure
or
process
would
you
recommend
as
a
way
to
determine
community
priorities
related
to
police
reform?
B
It's
the
first
part
of
the
question:
what
about
a
process
to
mediate
any
conflicts
among
among
various
community
groups
and
public
officials
that
is
coming
to
mediate
solutions,
if
necessary
as
an
example.
G
So
my
initial
response
to
that
question
is
as
far
as
structure
or
processes
recommended
to
determine
community
priorities
really
relates
back
to
some
of
what
nick
was
stating
earlier
around
taking
the
time
to
really
understand
what
we
already
know.
Community
engage
the
community
engagement
around
public
safety
is
not
a
new
topic
for
us.
By
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
we
have
gone
through
several
rounds
of
and
continue
to
engage
community
if
it's
through
the
9-1-1
work
group
effort.
G
That's
that's
ongoing
through
our
comprehensive
planning
work
through
engagement
and
work
that
happens
through
our
office
of
police
conduct
review.
There
are
so
many
different
places
in
which
we
are
actually
listening
to
community
and
capturing
input
from
them,
as
it
relates
to
public
safety,
and
so
for
me,
I
would
say
one
of
the
primary
steps
that
we
should
be
taking
as
far
as
a
structure
in
a
process
would
be
understanding
what
we've
already
heard
and
gaining
some
clarity
around,
based
on
what
we've
already
heard,
getting
clarity
around.
G
What
we
actually
inside
of
the
city
have
the
opportunity
to
to
implement,
as
far
as
either
low
hanging,
fruit
and
and
even
midterm
and
longer
term
solutions
that
we
can
respond
that
we
can
implement.
G
I
would
also
say
similar
to
the
second
questions
around
processes
to
mediate
any
conflicts
with
various
community
groups,
part
of
our
thinking
and
our
understanding
of
the
resolution
by
engaging
community
partners
in
planning
some
of
that
community
engagement
and
creating
more
of
an
inside
outside
sort
of
governing
or
advisory
approach
to
the
work
created
more
of
a
space
for
us
to
develop
some
shared
values
and
some
shared
vision
of
what
the
outcomes
needed
to
be
so
that
we
could
actually
take
the
racially
disaggregated
data
to
really
understand
what
it
is
that
was
possible
and
really
do
that.
G
Work
of
actively
applying
that
critical
racial
equity
analysis
to
throughout
the
process,
so
that
we
could
ultimately
identify
potential
solutions
that
enable
us
to
more
concretely
from
a
data-driven
perspective,
really
point
to
what
it
is
that
we
actually
are
striving
to
accomplish.
I
find
that
certainly
mediating
solutions
and
addressing
conflict.
G
If
we,
if
we
commit
early
on
to
to
making
those
decisions
that
are
that,
are
data
driven
with
a
shared
set
of
values
that
we
establish
up
front,
then
it
helps
us
mitigate
the
opportunity
for
some
of
that
conflict
to
arise,
and
it
gives
us
a
point
to
come
back
to
and
some
degree
of
agreement
upon
what
it
is
we're
seeking
to
accomplish.
G
And
it's
that
level
of
specificity
that
sets
groups
like
this
up
for
success,
while
also
recognizing
that
this
is
a
very
challenging
topic
for
individuals
and
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
trauma
that
exists
when
we
start
talking
about
policing
and
so
in
addition
to
having
shared
goals
and
values,
stated
upfront
committing
early
on
to
engage
community
with
us
actively
in
identifying
and
implementing
solutions
and
recognizing
that
this
is
a
co-created
process.
G
If
we're
going
to
get
to
the
outcomes
we
desire,
but
then
also
investing
the
time
and
resource
to
do
a
lot
of
the
healing
and
capacity
building
that
residents
and
city
staff
quite
frankly,
need
to
have
in
this
area.
In
order
to
be
able
to
engage
effectively,
I
mean
this
is
not
the
sort
of
topic
that
that
we
would
step
into
lightly
and
certainly
not,
and
we
would
be
remiss
to
step
into
it
without
fully
understanding.
G
Just
how
broad
a
chasm
there
is
between
bipod
communities
and
institutions
like
the
city
of
minneapolis
that
have
public
safety
as
part
of
our
our
charge
that
there's
an
enormous
chasm,
compounded
with
covid
and
everything
else
that
comes
with
2020
and
anti-blackness,
and
anti-american
indian
sentiment.
G
All
of
that
that
we
that
we
can't
step
into
that
lightly,
and
so
both
taking
the
time
to
do
the
healing
coming
up
with
a
set
of
shared
values
between
community
and
the
city
and
how
we're
going
to
do
that
work
and
actually
establishing
up
front
how
we
collectively
are
going
to
to
address
conflict.
If
it
arrives,
I
think,
are
some
pretty
core
best
practices
that
we
should
be
implementing
in
any
sort
of
engagement
that
we're
doing,
particularly
on
the
subject
of
community
safety.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
That's
helpful
next
question:
are
there
other
avenues
of
reform
not
yet
explored
by
the
city
council?
In
your
opinion,
the
mayor
or
the
police
department
that
you
believe
would
increase
the
chances
of
success
in
achieving
racial
equity
and
police
functions.
G
G
B
B
Okay?
No!
No!
Okay!
Next
question
is,
in
your
opinion,
in
your
office
on
behalf
of
your
office.
What
else
would
you
like
to
see
regarding
that
in
police
and
reimagine
policing
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
G
I'd
like
to
see
lots
of
things-
I
you
know
I
feel
like
minneapolis
is
at
as
is
under
such
a
microscope
right
now
worldwide
and
we
already
are.
We
already
enjoy
a
reputation
of
being
pretty
bleeding
edge
when
it
comes
to
racial
equity,
work
and
racial
equity
policy.
G
G
So
I
believe
we're
at
a
time
where
we
certainly
have
a
significant
amount
of
community
and
constituent
support
for
something
really
transformational
to
happen.
We
have
definitely
an
awakening,
that's
happening
locally
and
internationally
around
the
pain
of
structural
racism
and
anti-blackness
and
anti-american
indian
sentiment.
G
That
I
mean
we
just
have
such
a
ripe
opportunity
to
do
something
really
really
transformational
here
and
to
really
be
bold
and
and
not
become
encumbered
by
how
things
have
always
been
done
and
uplifting
the
status
quo
or
being
apologists
for
white
fragility,
or
any
of
that
like.
We
have
such
an
amazing
opportunity
in
this
moment
to
do
something
really
really
bold.
G
So
my
hope
is
that
something
really
bold
happens,
something
that
that
we
as
an
institution
take
the
critical
steps
that
we
need
to
take
in
order
to
to
do
that
and
that
we
commit
to
also
doing
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
around
our
own
healing.
There's
a
lot
of
work
that
we've
started
inside
of
race
and
equity,
to
begin
to
deepen,
self-understanding
around
racial
trauma
and
around
building
some
of
those
communities.
G
My
hope
is
that
this
moment
that
we're
in
provides
an
even
deeper
commitment
to
doing
that
sort
of
work,
because
anything
that
comes
of
this
effort
is
not
going
to
result
in
some
seismic
change
so
that
you
know
six
weeks
from
now.
Everything
is
totally
different
and
everyone's
loving
one
another,
and
we
just
you,
know
built
all
of
this
trust
like
this
is
long-term
investment.
G
Work
that
we're
doing-
and
I
my
hope,
is
that
we
maintain
this
energy
and
commitment
to
doing
it
even
when
it
gets
tough
and
even
when,
even
when
it
gets
tough
for
us
to
do
that.
And
even
when
there
are
those
who
want
to
encourage
us
to
to
step
away
because
it's
uncomfortable.
G
Because
it's
super
uncomfortable
and
my
hope
is
that
we
lean
in
and
whatever
comes
of,
that,
I'm
really
excited
if
it's
progressive
and
it
moves
us
forward
and-
and
it
fundamentally
shifts
how
we
as
a
city
center,
the
voices
of
those
who
are
most
harmed
by
our
policies
and
our
practices
and
changes.
The
way
in
which
we
across
the
board
think
about
engaging
these
communities
in
all
of
our
work.
Not
just
around
public
safety.
But
in
everything
that
we
do.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
joy
for
for
that,
and
this
is
our
last
sort
of
scripted
question
that
we
have.
I
assume
that
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
investigation
if
the
the
investigation
results
in
some
form
of
a
consent
decree.
What
terms
would
you
like
to
see
in
such
a
decree.
G
Oh
yeah,
a
spirit
of
full
disclosure.
We
had
a
google
consent
decree
this
morning
I
mean,
like
I've,
heard
the
term
before
I'm
familiar
like
conceptually
with
what
it
is
honestly,
I
I
don't
personally
feel
close
enough
to
the
data
or
the
solutions
or
the
work
around
policing
that
the
city
has
done
in
the
past
to
have
an
informed
response
to
the
question
of
what
should
be
inside
of
it
again.
G
I
point
back
to
the
fact
that
we
have
heard
from
and
continue
to
hear
from
residents
around
what
it
is
that
we
can
be
doing
differently
as
it
relates
to
public
safety.
There
is
an
enormous
range
of
knowledge
and
information
available
to
us
nationally,
around
policing
and
around
policing
best
practices,
be
it
within
the
form
of
reform
all
the
way
to
the
form
of
of
of
reinvesting
resources
into
community-based
strategies.
G
So
there
is
an
enormous
plethora
of
information
out
there
that
can
inform
whatever
comes
of
this
and
some
really
bright
and
amazing
staff
people
across
our
city,
enterprise,
who
have
been
doing
the
the
very
hard
work
of
engaging
residents
in
a
meaningful
way
to
hear
from
them.
Even
now
and
historically
around
this
work
so
well,
I
am
not
informed
enough
to
speak
to
what
should
specifically
be
inside
of
a
consent
decree.
G
I
know
there
are
a
ton
of
folks
inside
of
the
city
who
who
are
on
a
regular
basis,
engaging
around
this
topic
and
have
an
enormous
amount
of
data
specifically
from
those
communities
who
are
most
impacted,
and
my
hope
is
that
whatever's
in
the
consent
decree
is
a
part
of
that
and
based
on
who
I
know
inside
of
our
city,
who's,
leading
that
work
and
our
civil
rights
department
in
particular,
I
have
every
confidence
that
that
is
what
will
happen.
G
B
Great
so
we've
re,
like
I
said
we
reached
the
end
of
our
sort
of
prepared
questions
that
we
provided
to
you
all.
I
would
like
to
invite
the
other
commissioners
to
either
raise
their
hand
or
indicate
in
the
chat,
and
we
can
call
on
you
if
you
have
additional
questions-
and
I
know
we
have
our
our
city
attorneys
on
this
call
as
well.
B
If
there's
any
additional
information
that
you
can
provide
related
to
the
meaning
of
a
dis
consent,
degree
just
for
everyone's
knowledge
and
awareness
of
what
that
could
look
like
in
this
space.
I
invite
you
to
to
add
your
your.
I
would
say
two
cents,
but
it's
more
like
50
cents
to
this
to
this
discussion.
B
So
first
I'll
start
with
the
commissioners
who
are
are
on.
If
you
have
additional
questions,
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand.
B
It's
a
quiet
group,
carol,
attorney
assistant
attorney,
bashoon,
terrible
shoe,
and
I
saw
you
go
on
video
and
then
you
disappeared.
Is
there?
Is
there
something
that
you'd
like
to
add
related
to
kind
of
definition,
defining
consent
degree
just
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
I
Well,
I
really
haven't
dealt
with
this
particular
consent
decree.
I
know
in
the
past,
we've
had
consent,
decrees
and
they're,
usually
long-term,
and
it
lays
out
the
actions
that
the
city
will
take
in
the
future.
There
might
be
processes
that
the
city
has
to
follow.
There
might
be
changes
in
rules
and
regulations
for
a
department,
and
so
I
really
haven't
I'm
not
one
of
the
litigators,
that's
involved
in
this
particular
case.
I
know
a
lot
of
the
attorneys
in
my
office
are
involved
and
they
are
in
somewhat
from
last.
I
I
heard
they're
in
somewhat
of
a
discovery
kind
of
phase
where
they're
providing
a
lot
of
data
to
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
and
they're,
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
process
is
at
this
point,
but
usually
it's
a
consent
decree.
It's
the
court
will
have
jurisdiction
over
a
consent
decree
usually
for
quite
a
few
years.
I
It
could
go
like
a
10
year
period.
It
could
go
less,
it
depends
on
what
the
agreement
is
and
there's
certain
terms
in
there
that
the
city
is
supposed
to
follow
that
it
agrees
to
follow,
and
you
know
it
could
be.
It
could
be
some
major
changes
in
how
the
police
department
does
their
work
or
the
processes
that
they
use
or
how
they
utilize
their
staff.
I
It
could,
it
could
run
the
gamut,
but
usually
usually
there
is
usually
the
court
has
jurisdiction
over
something
like
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
be
the
case
in
the
in
this.
But
but
you
know,
and
if,
if
we're
not
following
it,
then
it
can
be
looked
at
reopen
or
renegotiated,
but
I've.
I
I'm
just
telling
you
some
general
information.
I've
never
really
been
involved
in
creating
a
consent.
Decree.
I
I
know
I
don't
know
if
peter
ginder
was
involved
in
anything
like
that
in
the
past.
I
know
we
had
a
consent
decree
for
many
years
and
then
finally,
we
no
longer
needed
to
be
involved
in
that
consent
decree.
So
I
don't
know
if
he's
willing
to
speak
to
that.
B
Commissioner,
gender
assistant
attorney
cara:
will
she
just
put
you
on
the
spot
to
answer
questions
in
your
formal
capacity?
Do
you
have
some
some
insight.
J
I
don't
know
if
I
have
any
particular
insight.
This
case
is
a
little
bit
unusual
unusual
position,
because,
typically
cities
don't
ask
to
be
joined
into
a
consent
decree,
it
usually
comes
usually
as
a
result
of
litigation
where
it's
it's
part
of
the
settlement
negotiations.
J
Parties
are
agreeing
to
do
it
or
it's
forced
upon
the
city
as
a
resolution,
and
there
are
issues
with
the
consent
decree
in
the
sense
of
even
though
the
city
wants
to
do.
J
It
is
at
some
point
point
you
have
to
remember
is
that
if
you
do
enter
into
a
consent
decree
the
city
does
lose
some
ability
to
govern
its
own
affairs
and
at
some
point
you
say
well,
you
know
that's
kind
of
why
we're
here,
but
there
may
be
a
point
two
years
down
the
line
where
the
city
council
or
the
mayor
or
the
police
administration
kind
of
go
say
well.
This
was
a
good
idea
back
at
the
time,
but
we
want
to
do
these
things
now.
J
You
know
what's
happening
in
our
world
has
changed
so
you
know
when
you
enter
the
consent
decree.
You
have
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
what
it
entails
and
also
how
long
it's
going
to
endure.
J
Probably
the
most
well-known
one
was.
The
fire
department
was
consent
that
went
up
27
years
and
it
actually
lost
sight
of
what
the
whole
purpose
was,
and
so
you
would
have
an
ending.
But
I
don't
have
any
particular
extra
insight
into
the
current
proposed
between
human
rights
and
the
city.
B
I
I
accidentally
I'm
going
to
lower
my
hand,
sorry
about
that.
B
No
worries
a
chair,
we've
been
saying.
E
Thank
you,
chair
newborn.
I
can
just
add
a
couple
of
things
because
I'm
quite
familiar
with
consent:
decrees
with
the
city
of
minneapolis,
because
I
was
involved
with
one,
probably
20
or
30
years
ago,
and
that
involved
it
was
after
litigation
of
a
case
involving
women
in
the
public
works
department,
and
we
came
to
a
pretty
detailed
agreement
regarding
changes
in
practices
in
the
department
in
terms
of
promotions,
details
and
other
personnel
kinds
of
issues.
E
So
the
consent
decree
was
basically
an
agreement
that
the
court
then
incorporated
in
a
court
order
that
governed
future
personnel
actions
in
the
public
works
department,
the
firefighters
consent
decree,
and
I
think
there
was
more
than
one
had
to
do.
I
think
with
mostly
with
hiring
it
was
a
race-based
litigation.
B
Is
great,
thank
you
so
much
chairman,
so
I
think
we've
gotten
some
really
good
information
on
consent
degrees
on
this
on
this
fossil.
We
appreciate
that
I
just
want
to
again
see
if
and
check
in
with
our
commissioners
here
on
the
call
to
see
if
they
have
any
additional
questions
for
our
speakers
here
today.
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
check
or-
and
I
don't
see
any
hands-free,
so
joy
and
nicholas
or
nick.
I
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
spending
some
time
spending
a
part
of
your
evening
with
us
and
answering
a
lot
of
questions.
We
appreciate
it.
It's
helpful
to
the
work
that
this
body,
this
committee,
as
well
as
the
the
larger
commission
body,
is
going
to
be
doing
related
to
the
the
council
amendment.
B
So
we
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
and
energy
in
sharing
some
of
your
experience
in
the
work
that
you
do
with
us,
and
so
we
will
move
to
the
the
other
points
of
our
agenda
here
and,
if
you
all
need
to
log
off
feel
free
to
do
so.
We
won't
talk
about
you
if
we
promise.
B
You
and
so
I'd
like
to
move
to
item
three
on
the
which
is
the
last
item
on
the
agenda,
is
discussion
for
next
steps
for
the
public
safety
work
group
and
chair
rubenstein
just
wanted
to
check
in
with
you
to
see
if
you
had
any
additional
next
steps
for
us
to
discuss.
E
Well,
I
think
we're
coming
to
the
end.
As
I
mentioned
the
beginning
of
our
meeting
next
week,
we
will
be
considering
commissioner
abbott's
substitute
amendment
if
anyone
else
has
one
to
propose
now
is
the
time
and
we
will
be
voting
on
our
recommendation
to
be
made
to
the
full
commission
at
our
november
4th
meeting.
I
also
want
to
remind
everyone
that
we
are
going
to
meet
on
monday
next
week,
instead
of
tuesday,
because
tuesday
is
election
day
and
finally,
after
the
full
commission
votes
on
our
recommendation,
then
we
will
prepare
a
written
report.
E
We
probably
as
a
work
group,
will
have
one
more
meeting
to
finalize
that
report,
consistent
with
the
recommendation
of
course
and
then
presented
to
the
december
commission
meeting.
So
those
are
the
next
steps.
Thank
you,
chairman.
B
Thank
you,
chair
rumenstein,
commissioner
perry.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
C
A
Madam
chair,
it's
casey.
I
can
speak
to
that
that
came
in
today
by
email,
and
I
just
have
not
I'm
sorry.
Commissioner.
Perry
have
not
had
a
moment
to
forward
that
on
it's
my
plan
to
as
soon
as
this
meeting
is
over
email
that
out
to
all
of
you
and
then
we
will
attach
it
to
the
file
and
limbs
for
public
access
as
well.
C
So
just
thank
you,
mr
carl,
so
madam
chair
will
just
to
be
clear.
We're
going
to
be
addressing
that
at
our
next
meeting
on
monday.
B
Sure,
thank
you
for
your
question.
I
believe
chair
clegg,
you
had
your
hand
raised.
D
I
did
thank
you,
I
will
just
give
notice
or
or
if
you
would
like
to
take
it
now,
I
will
propose
another,
an
alternative
substitute
amendment
and
that
would
just
be
to
eliminate
section
7.3
c
of
the
charter.
D
7.3
c
is
the
minimum
funding
and
minimum
staffing
requirement
for
the
police
department.
That
is
the
totality
of
my
proposed
amendment
as
far
as
I've
learned,
that
is
that
specific
provision
is
the
only
barrier
to
change
that
we
are
facing,
and
both
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
agree
that
that
provision
should
go
so
I
will
either
make
the
motion
now
and
for
discussion
next
week
or
make
it
next
week,
but
I
wanted
you
to
know
what's
coming.
Thank
you.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
chair
clay,
just
I
guess,
chair
rubenstein,
do
and
then
the
rest
of
the
commissioners.
Do
we
want
to
discuss
the
the
motion
now
or
should
we
wait
until
monday's
meeting.
E
I
I
would
propose
waiting
till
our
next
meeting,
because
we
have
very
little
time
in
this
one
and
next
week
we
can
just
with
the
meeting
will
be
devoted
totally
to
our
recommendation,
which
could
be
a
substitute
amendment.
It
could
be
rejection
or
acceptance.
Okay,.
B
Great,
so
we
will
move
forward
with
having
a
full
discussion
at
our
monday's
meeting.
I
think,
commissioner
schwarzkopf,
you
had
your
hand
raised.
F
Yes,
I
do
madam
chair,
I
was
wondering
when
we
talk
about
the
full
recommendation,
who's
going
to
be
writing
it
or
proposing
that
right.
So
because
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
whatever
it
might
be,.
B
Sounds
like
it's
you
we
actually
haven't
talked
about
that
as
of
yet,
and
so
I
assume
that
we
would
discuss
that
at
monday's
meeting.
B
Great
and
carol,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
didn't
raise
your
hand
by
accident.
No.
I
This
was
intentional
okay.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
for
section
7.3
c,
I
believe
that's
what
commissioner
clegg
is
talking
about
there
is
that
tax
provision
in
that
in
in
that
section,
7.3
c.
I
So
I
would
recommend
that
the
this
work
group
consider,
if
it's
going
to
propose
eliminating
7.3
c,
whether
that
you
should
consider
whether
the
provision
related
to
the
tax
taxation
should
remain
in
that
I
don't
know
if
anybody
in
the
work
group
has
looked
into
the
effectiveness
of
that
tax
provision
and
whether
we've
used
it
and
whether
we
could
use
it
in
the
future
and
whether
it
would
be
necessary
to
keep
it
in
the
charter.
But
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
issue
up.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
carol,
chair
clegg.
Did
you
have
a
response
to
that.
D
I
did
just
just
as
background
I'm
told
that
we
are
not
currently
using
that
funding
provision
but
could
conceivably
use
it
in
the
future.
I
Okay,
so
I
just
would
recommend
that
you
consider
whether
that
part
of
the
provision
could
remain
or
whether
you
would
just
get
rid
of
all
of
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
B
Okay,
great
sounds
good,
any
other
questions.
Recording
next
steps.
B
Okay,
hearing,
none,
then,
with
that,
I
think
we've
concluded
all
of
our
business.
That
has
come
before
this
work
group
and
I
without
objection.
I
we
stand
adjourned.