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A
Welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
public
health
and
safety
committee
for
september
10th
2020,
I
am
philippe
cuttingham
and
I
am
the
chair
of
this
committee.
As
we
begin,
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
of
the
city,
council
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
021
due
to
the
declared
local
public
health
emergency.
At
this
time,
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role,
so
we
can
verify
a
quorum
for
this
meeting.
C
C
A
Thank
you,
please
let
the
record
reflect,
we
have
a
quorum.
I
know
that
council
member
cano
is
on
the
call.
She
may
be
having
some
technical
issues,
but
we
will
add
her
to
the
present
when
we
are
able
to
address
those
issues
before
we
begin
the
meeting
today.
I
first
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone
for
joining
us
for
this
very
first
meeting
as
our
as
as
a
committee.
Excuse
me,
I
am
grateful
to
serve
in
this
role
and
excited
for
us
to
dig
into
the
topics
for
the
record.
A
For
my
colleagues,
if
you
have
any
specific
questions
or
topics
you
want
to
be
covered
within
those
monthly
updates,
please
let
vice
chair
fletcher
and
I
know
so.
We
can
work
with
those
reporting
departments
to
address
the
requests
for
the
upcoming
meeting.
I
look
forward
to
us
diving
into
and
enjoying
this
work
and
collaborating
together
to
improve
the
health
and
safety
of
our
city.
A
Colleagues.
The
agenda
is
before
us
today.
A
The
cdc
for
public
health
associate
program
for
a
one-year
period
lasting
through
october
14th
2021
item
number
five
is
excuse
me
item
number
four
is
authorizing
the
middle
of
a
grand
application
to
the
us
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
in
the
amount
of
1628
500.
A
Year
period
through
june,
30th
2024,
which
totals
the
to
the
amount
of
5.7
million
to
correct
lead-based
paint
hazards
and
other
housing-based
health
hazards
in
minneapolis
residential
units
for
income,
qualified
properties
and
item
number
five
is
authorizing
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
abbott
northwestern
hospital
regarding
care,
so
that
abbott
northwestern
can
would
be
able
to
apply
for
the
340b
drug
pricing
program
that
would
allow
hus
the
hospital
to
purchase
pharmaceuticals
at
a
reduced
rate
through
this
is
a
five-year
contract
or
mlu
through
june
30th
2025.
A
with
that,
is
there
any
discussion
on
the
consent
agenda
or
are
there
any
items
that
folks
would
like
to
pull
for
further
discussion.
A
All
right,
I'm
not
seeing
any.
There
are
a
couple
of
items
that
I
would
like
to
elaborate
for
the
public
record
prior
to
moving
the
consent
agenda
for
approval.
So
first
for
item
number
two,
that
is
an
agreement
with
the
minneapolis
police
department.
A
So
I
wanted
to,
for
transparency,
sake,
be
able
to
to
address
that.
So
this,
the
new
minnesota
government
access,
provides
government
agencies
with
remote
intellect
electronic
access
to
appropriate
court
documents
and
records
stored
in
the
minnesota
court
information
system
for
cases
in
the
minnesota
district
courts,
the
the
the
mpd
has
a
business
need
to
be
able
to
access
these
court
records
to
conduct
criminal
investigations,
background
checks
and
other
duties.
A
Currently
mpd
exact
accesses
this
data
through
a
software
program
called
odyssey
assistant.
This
software
is
managed
by
the
state
courts,
but
is
a
legacy
system
that
is
being
retired
for
a
multitude
of
reasons.
One
of
the
the
some
of
the
benefits
of
this
new
system
is
that
there
are
individual
user
agreements
and
user
names
so
that
there
is
an
ability
to
effectively
access
control
and
ensure
that
there's
no
access
by
unauthorized
users,
all
users
receive
training
on
the
appropriate
use
of
the
system.
Functionality
and
the
system
is
fully
audible.
A
To
ensure
all
record
requests
are
business
appropriate.
This
is
actually
not
the
first
time
that
we
have
come
to
an
agreement
to
be
able
to
access
this.
The
minute
the
minneapolis
city
attorney's
office
already
has
successfully
transitioned
to
this
new
software
and
for
the
item
number
five.
I
also
just
wanted
to
speak
briefly
to
that,
because
today
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
their
their
director
of
pharmacy
services
and
had
a
great
conversation
about
this
line
of
work
starting
early
next
year.
A
A
This
is
going
to
be
just
important,
because
this
is
a
part
of
the
the
mou
partnership
is
to
ensure
that
there
is
transparency
between
the
two
partners.
If
we
are
having
that
transparency,
it's
important
for
the
public
to
access
that
information
as
well.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
ongoing
partnership
with
abbott
northwestern
and
thank
them
for
it
with
that.
I
will
check
one
last
time
to
see
if
there
are
any
questions
or
comments
on
any
of
the
consent
items.
E
B
F
A
B
A
That
item
carries
and
the
consent
agenda
is
approved.
Colleagues,
we
have
one
discussion
item
and
it's
our
final
item
for
today,
which
relates
to
a
lease
for
the
use
of
2633
minnehaha
avenue
as
the
third
precinct
temporary
site.
We
have
a.
I
do
believe
we
have
a
presentation
followed
by
a
discussion.
D
A
Thank
you,
miss
o'brien.
The
floor
is
yours.
A
C
Barbara
this
is
daley
from
the
cook's
office.
You
will
not
be
able
to
share
your
screen
in
a
live
broadcast,
but
if
you
email
the
presentation
right
away
to
city
clerk,
we
can
get
it
shared
for
you.
Okay,.
D
I
will
do
that.
I
am
doing
that
right
now.
D
Hopefully,
everyone
can
see
me,
I'm
barbara
o'brien,
I'm
the
director
of
property
services
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
I
brought
forward
a
lease
proposal
through
pogo
and
it
was
sent
back
to
committees
two
weeks
ago,
and
so
here
we
are
and
I'm
happy
to
share
information
about
the
lease.
As
it's
being.
A
B
Well,
chair
cunningham.
D
Has
not
been
received
yet,
but
tech
team
is.
H
Ms
o'brien,
it's
casey,
could
you
just
email
that
directly
to
me
and
I'll
help
on
this
end
and
see
if
I
can
expedite
it
happily,
thank
you
and
I'll
apologize.
Mr
chair,
this
is
my
fault.
I
failed
to
follow
up
and
ask
ms
o'brien
to
email
that
to
us
in
advance.
H
H
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
taking
this
on,
so
that
we
can
get
this
up
and
running
as
quickly
as
possible.
A
H
H
Mr
chair,
I'm
sorry.
Yes,
I
just
we're
having
some
technical
difficulties,
not
only
with
ms
o'brien's
computer
put
mine
on
this,
and
unfortunately
the
system
is
having
some
overload
issues.
H
I
would
suggest
that
the
committee
to
take
maybe
a
five
minute
recess
so
that
we
can
come
back
and
be
prepared,
since
this
is
the
only
item
I
apologize
up
front
for
that
inconvenience,
but
that
way
the
public
knows
we're
going
to
be
standing
in
recess
for
about
five
minutes
and
I'm
fairly
confident
we
can
have
the
presentation
ready
to
go
and
proceed
at
that
point.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
clerk.
I
do
appreciate
that
so
that
we
are
able
to
be
clear
about
where
we
are
what's
happening,
so
we
will
take
a
five
minute
recess
in
order
to
address
this
technical
difficulty,
so
we
will
come
back
at
2
50..
Thank
you.
H
Mr
chair,
with
apologies
to
the
technical
team
before
the
meeting
resumes
officially
in
a
public
capacity,
I'd
like
to
verify
with
the
technical
team
that
they've
received
the
powerpoint
presentation
that
they
are
prepared
to
display
that
both
for
policy
makers
in
the
public
and
then
we
can
resume
them
once
we
have
that
confirmation.
H
So,
mr
chair,
with
that,
I
think,
as
the
clerk
has
indicated,
ms
kasper
should
call
the
role
and
then
we
should
be
ready
to
go.
B
B
A
All
right,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
everyone
for
your
patience
and
thank
you
to
the
team
for
rapidly
working
to
address
that
technical
difficulties
miss
o'brien.
The
floor
is
now
yours.
D
Thank
you.
Let's
take
a
deep
breath.
The
the
item
in
front
of
you
was
a
proposal
is
a
proposed
lease
space
for
the
third
precinct
which
has
been
displaced
after
events
following
the
death
of
george
floyd
and
civil
unrest,
the
location
is
2633,
minnehaha
avenue
in
minneapolis
searches
were
conducted
beginning
in
june
of
2020.
D
Searches
began
in
june,
shortly
after
it
was
understood
that
the
building
at
3
000
minnehaha
avenue
that
the
third
precinct
previously
resided
at
was
no
longer
habitable
for
their
for
their
business.
To
take
place,
multiple
locations
were
examined
and
considered.
We
looked
at
private
property.
We
looked
at
county
owned
sites
as
well
as
state
and
federally
owned
locations.
D
Many
times
we
we
would
engage
with
landlords
or
owners
of
leaseable
space,
but
we
had
a
very
difficult
time
reaching
agreements
or
negotiating
either
because
of
lack
of
interest
on
their
behalf
to
deal
with
this
to
negotiate
with
the
city
or
the
spaces
were
found
to
be
not
suitable
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
mpd
next
slide,
please,
the
site
criteria
that
we
were
working
with
is
we
needed
to
have
parking
for
75
vehicles,
plus
additional
space
for
personal
vehicles,
and
so
that
that
was
a
very
difficult
thing
for
us
to
try
to
accomplish
a
lot
of
spaces
that
are
available
for
lease
for,
on
a
short
term
basis,
do
not
provide
off
street
parking
or
do
not
provide
parking
at
all,
let
alone
the
high
volume
that
was
required
for
this
use
it
needed
to
have
office
space
and
be
and
have
flexible
workspaces
for
over
100
city
staff
needed
to
have
both
office
and
warehouse
space.
D
So
it
needed
to
be
a
mixed
use
building
and
it
was
important
that
it
had
compatible
zoning,
so
it
needed
to
be
either
zoned
commercially
or
industrial.
D
Okay,
26-33
minnehaha
avenue
merged
as
meeting
all
of
the
criteria
it's
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
third
precinct
it
has
out.
It
has
parking
a
lot
with
the
adaptability
to
have
at
least
60
vehicles
inside
of
the
building,
so
it
meets
that
high
parking
demand
easily.
D
D
D
The
building
is
owned
by
lothernburg
properties
and
they
are
based
in
wyzetta
and
it
is
currently
being
leased
by
express
printing
express
printing
has
downsized
and
they
are
moving
out
of
the
building.
In
fact,
they
completed
their
move
out
at
the
end
of
august
and
with
at
which
point
the
building
is
available.
For
us.
D
The
proposed
lease
is
for
a
three-year
sub
lease
with
express
printing
with
an
additional
one-year
lease
option.
This
approach
is
being
taken
because
express
printing
still
has
a
remaining
four
years
on
their
lease,
and
so
we
would
be
subleasing
from
them.
D
An
additional
1.2
million
dollars
is
a
one-time
cost
for
the
to
the
city,
and
this
would
be
in
2020,
and
it
would
be
to
allow
for
adaptations
to
the
building
to
be
made
so
that
it
is
suitable
for
police
use
and
then
beyond
that
annual
costs
would
include
840,
000
per
rent,
140
000
for
heat
and
electricity,
approximately
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
maintenance,
cleaning,
repair
costs
and
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually
for
property
insurance.
D
Next
slide,
please:
some
of
the
adaptations
that
would
be
made
in
the
upcoming
months
following
this
lease
being
signed,
would
include
modifications
to
the
hvac
system
in
the
current
production
area.
D
I
just
want
to
share
a
couple
of
slides
to
give
you
a
sense
of
its
location.
This
is
an
over.
This
is
a
very
high
view
and
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
where
it
is
in
proximity
to
the
downtown
area.
As
you
can
see,
94
and
and
55,
you
can
see
the
the
neighborhoods
and
then,
of
course,
the
yellow
indicator
in
the
center
is
the
site
that
we're
looking
for
next
slide.
D
Please
zooming
in
just
closer
to
indicate
to
you
that
this
is
amongst
the
industrial
or
warehouse
district
separated
by
hiawatha
avenue
and
the
and
university
minnesota
health
to
the
east,
phillips
neighborhood
next
slide,
please
just
another
bird's
eye
view
to
get
give
you
a
sense
of
its
proximity
on
the
site.
It
is
set
back
from
minnehaha
avenue,
there's
a
substantial
amount
of
space
between
from
one
building
to
the
next.
It
is
very
different
than
3000
minnehaha
avenue
in
that
regard.
Next
slide,
please!
D
This
is
an
aerial
view.
You
can
see
the
black
are
the
darker
portion
of
the
roof.
That
would
be
where
the
majority
of
the
indoor
parking
would
be
and
the
office
area
would
be
in
the
lighter
portion
of
the
roof
area,
and
then
it
just
the
this
slide
represents
that
the
parcel
sits
on
3.39
acres,
which
also
supports
the
notion
that
it
is
spread
out
and
that
there's
ample
space
between
buildings
in
this
location
next
slide,
please,
okay.
D
D
The
interior
parking
would
take
for
60
cars
would
take
approximately
40
000
square
feet
of
that
space
and
the
the
remaining
18
400
would
include
offices,
restrooms,
lockers
storage
and
meeting
rooms,
as
well
as
a
break
room
for
the
mpd.
D
That
leaves
us
with
approximately
19
600
square
feet
that
we're
calling
programmable
space.
At
this
point,
we
have
the
ability
to
to
determine
what
those
uses
may
be.
The
city
has
some
some
needs,
but
we
are
open
to
talk
about
programmable
area
that
would
be
remaining
in
the
building
next
slide.
Please.
D
D
It
is
all
of
the
equipment
to
date
it
has
been
removed
because
when
these
shots
were
taken,
the
printing
company
was
in
the
middle
of
moving
out,
and
so
they
have
been
everything
that
you
see,
which
I
see
I
understand,
takes
your
attention.
When
you
look
at
these
photos,
it's
all
gone.
It's
an
open
warehouse.
Looking
space
next
slide.
Please
here
are
some
shots
from
the
interior.
D
The
top
two
on
the
left-hand
side
are
showing
the
entryway.
That
would
be
the
we
would.
We
would
need
to
adapt
that
area
with
br
glass,
but
it
would
be
a
relatively
straightforward
adaptation
that
would
allow
this
to
be
the
main
entry.
D
As
you
can
see
in
the
office
areas,
it
is
it's
very
modest
they.
It
has
led
lighting
that
hangs
from
this
open
ceiling.
It's
an
open,
hvac
plenum
as
well.
Next
slide,
please,
okay,
this
slide
deck
was
presented
or
prepared
prior
to
the
the
the
original
presentation
of
it,
and
so,
although
it
says
next
steps,
I
do
want
to
say
that
these
steps
have
taken
place.
We
did
have
a
community
information
sharing
night
that
happened
in
matthews
park.
D
So
we
are
on
hold
with
any
of
our
adaptation
work
and
we
are
waiting
for
council's
approval
of
the
lease
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
those,
as
you
could
expect,
the
occupation
of
the
site
has
also
slipped,
and
we
now
are
looking
at
a
november
time
frame
as
the
soonest
that
an
occupation
could
happen.
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for.
Thank
you.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
echo.
Hopefully
there
we
go,
it
sounds
like
it's
been
resolved
all
right.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation.
A
I
will
now
open
it
to
colleagues
for
any
questions
or
comments.
First,
in
the
queue
we
have
council
member,
gordon.
E
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
don't
have
any
questions
at
this
time.
I've
had
the
good
fortune
of
having
plenty
of
conversations
with
miss
o'brien,
and
I
think
she's
presented
some
clearly
good
reasons
why
this
could
be
a
choice
that
we
could
make.
I
just
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
the
work
that
property
services
has
done.
E
I
think
this
has
been
exemplary
for
what
the
assignment
had
to
do
and
just
want
to
recognize
that
that
hard
work,
I
would
say,
probably
one
of
the
biggest
reasons
why
I
would
even
consider
supporting
this
is
to
acknowledge
that
hard
work
and
the
goals
that
were
set
out
there.
I
also
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
also
acknowledge
part
of
the
reason
we
would
want
to
do.
E
This
is
because
we
do
have
city
employees
who
need
a
good
place
to
work
and
I'm
firmly
believe
and
am
committed,
that
we
should
have
a
good
working
environment,
a
healthy
and
quality
working
environment
for
every
city
employee.
E
I
also
just
want
to
note
that
the
city
employees,
many
of
them
that
worked
out
of
the
old
building
that
was
destroyed,
are
exemplary
employees
that
are
widely
respected
and
valued
in
the
community
that
I
represent
and
by
my
constituents,
and
they
do
incredibly
great
work.
E
That
said,
as
you
probably
recall
from
when
this
came
up
at
the
committee
meeting,
this
is
a
challenging
and
difficult
decision.
I've
certainly
thought
about
it
a
great
deal,
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
share
with
my
colleagues
here.
First
of
all,
my
gratitude
for
allowing
this
to
come
back
to
committee.
I'll
tell
you,
I
had
very
selfish
motivations.
E
This
is
a
hard
decision.
This
is,
I
need
you
to
help
me
make
it.
I
also
needed
time
to
help
work
with
the
community
and
listen
to
them.
I
will
say
right
now
that
just
there
are
good
reasons
to
do
this.
If
you
talk
to
the
people
who
live
in
that
area
and
attend
the
meetings
that
I
attend
and
and
listen
to
the
concerns
out
there,
you
would
understand.
E
There's
also
lots
of
reasons,
maybe
why
this
isn't
such
a
good
idea,
and
at
this
point
I'm
at
that
realm
that
we
go
to
a
lot
of
times
when
our
biggest
concerns
rise
to
the
level
of
the
will
of
the
people
and
the
consent
of
the
government.
So
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
What
is
what
to
do
here.
E
I
one
of
the
approaches
I've
taken
is
to
just
to
listen
carefully
and
see
if
I
could
come
up
with
a
list
of
conditions,
stipulations
mitigations
that
might
make
this
get
more
consent
of
the
governed
or
have
a
better
balance,
and
I
shared
that
with
the
clerk,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
can
share
that
publicly
today,
so
that
there's
a
record
of
this
to
the
public.
E
So
if
you
have
that
to
display
you
can
I'm
not
necessarily
sure
that
I'm
ready
to
move
it
now,
I
just
but
there.
It
is
so-
and
I
know
that
I
emailed
to
committee
members,
or
at
least
a
very
similar
version
to
this.
This
has
been
reviewed
by
some
folks.
I've
shared
it
with
the
community.
I
have
yet
to
hear
back
from
the
mayor
or
the
police
department
in
any
formal
way
about
this.
E
I
think
those
matters
that
pertain
to
property
services
and,
of
course,
they
can
speak
for
themselves,
but
don't
raise
any
concerns
that
are
in
here
right
now,
but
this
highlights
some
of
the
concerns
that
some
people
have
had
with
the
proposal.
So
far
you
can
notice
one
of
the
first
things
it
talks
about
is
a
completed
racial
equity
impact
analysis
and
well.
E
The
analysis
that
we
saw
in
the
staff
report
may
have
been
appropriate
for
approving,
at
least
what
the
community
was
asking
for,
at
least
at
one
of
the
meetings,
and
then
many
of
us
afterwards
is
well
what
about
a
better
analysis
when
we
are
focused
more
on
who
might
be
using
the
property,
then
there's
also
community
concerns
that
I
think
we
should
have
the
opportunity
to
address
and
look
into
I'll
just
highlight
these
four
general
areas.
One
of
them
is
how
the
building
is
managed
and
programmed.
E
The
second
one
is:
how
do
we
actually
repair
and
heal
the
relationship
that
the
community
has
with
our
city
employees,
especially
those
working
police
department?
E
E
How
close
this
is
to
the
old
precinct
and
how
close
this
is
to
the
buildings
that
were
looted
and
burned
when
police,
when
police
and
fire
couldn't
come
and
protect
the
community
there,
and
that
is
still
very
present
in
everybody's
minds,
and
we
heard
from
some
of
the
nearby
neighbors
about
this
project
and
how
fearful
they
were
to
relive
that
anticipating
potential,
more
civil
unrest
and
then
there's
concerns
around
what
about
our
reimagining
and
what
about
our
holistic
approach
to
community
safety?
E
What
happened
to
that,
and
why
are
we
just
wanting
to
replicate
the
old
model
as
quickly
as
we
can
back
in
the
same
place?
Those
are
all
legitimate
concerns.
E
In
fact,
it's
really
clear
to
me
that
when
we
actually
should
have
been
doing
this
is
after
we
had
our
year-long
process
of
community
engagement
and
after
we
had
a
new
model
in
my
in
mind,
if
we
wanted
to
do
it
to
serve
the
community
in
the
city.
I
also
recognize
this
is
a
a
city-wide
issue.
There
are
all
of
our
employees
if
you
will-
and
the
precinct
serves
many
wards
in
many
neighborhoods
I've
kind
of
come
up
with
three
options
that
I
think
I
could
live
with.
E
E
Second
option
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
authorize
the
lease,
but
make
it
expressly
clear
that
the
police
will
not
be
operating
out
of
this
until
after
we've
completed
our
year-long
process
and
we've
had
a
chance
to
reimagine
what
we
want
community
safety
to
be
so
they
there
it's
a
great
building.
I've
toured
it.
There's
lots
of
uses
it
could
go
to,
and
maybe
it
could
go
to
serve
other
uses
to
allow
other
functions
to
happen
there
and
then
to
have
it.
E
The
third
option,
which
is
relates
back
to
the
motion
that
you
just
saw,
is
to
say
we
could
go
ahead
with
a
lease,
but
it
should
meet
these
detailed
conditions
out
there
and
it
should
require
city
to
come
back
city
staff
to
come
back
and
get
additional
approval
before
any
police
department,
functions
or
programs
or
staff
move
and
operate
out
of
the
building.
E
Those
are
where
I've
gotten
myself
to
right
now.
I
would
really
appreciate
having
some
conversation
with
my
colleagues
on
this.
I'm
not
sure
where
the
council
majority
would
land
even
out
of
those
three
options
or,
if
there's
just
a
fourth
option,
and
you
folks
think
we
should
just
go
ahead
and
do
it.
E
A
For
indulging
me,
thank
you
councilmember
gordon,
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
in
this,
given
that
it's
in
your
award
next
up,
we
have
council
member
fletcher.
I
Thank
you,
cunningham,
and
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
everybody,
who's
taken
the
time
to
write
or
call
my
office
about
this
issue.
Everyone
who
has
done
so
has
asked
me
to
vote
no
on
this,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
council
member
gordon,
who
has
really
dug
into
the
details
of
this
and
frankly,
is
bending
over
backwards
to
try
to
insert
a
lot
of
the
work
that
should
have
been
a
part
of
this
proposal.
I
He
seems
to
have
real
doubts
about
this
proposal.
I
have
real
doubts
about
this
proposal.
I
I
am
not
in
a
position
to
support
this
proposal
today,
and
I
want
to
second
council
member
gordon's
perspective
that
this
is
not
a
failure
of
property
services
that
I
think
property
services
staff
did
an
excellent
job
of
meeting
the
parameters
they
were
given,
and
I
think
it
is
a
problem
that
they
were
given
the
parameters
that
they
were
given.
So
I
want
to
talk
a
little
about
that
literally.
I
Nobody
has
contacted
me
to
make
the
positive
argument
about
this:
not
constituents,
not
the
city
staff
who
are
working
on
it,
not
mpd.
I
I
The
elected
city
council
made
a
it
has
to
unanimous
resolution
and
the
staff
direction
to
begin
a
community
engagement
process
and
test
the
city
coordinator's
office,
with
that,
the
minneapolis
police
department
requested
that
a
facility
be
identified
for
the
third
precinct
and
the
city
coordinator's
office
through
the
property
services
division
took
that
on.
We
have
seen
an
action
on
one
of
those
things
and
frankly,
we
are
not
at
a
time
when
we
can
move
forward
on
investments
in
policing
without
community
discussion.
I
I
just
I'm
I'm
kind
of
blown
away
that
this
would
come
forward
without
a
a
similar
and,
frankly,
a
greater
push
to
get
community
engagement
happening
and
to
get
community
involved
in
this
conversation,
so
that
people
can
begin
to
restore
the
trust
that
has
been
lost.
That
we've
been
told
in
so
many
different
ways
has
been
lost
and
for
us
to
be
asked
without
really
a
lot
of
evidence
or
reason
to
support
this
other
than
that.
It's
like
a
well-suited
location
for
a
set
of
real
estate.
I
Specs
is
preposterously
out
of
sync,
with
the
moment
that
we
are
living
in
literally
the
eyes
of
the
world
are
on
us
looking
at
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
public
safety,
and
the
only
thing
that
is
coming
to
us
is
a
request
to
fund
a
building
and
to
say
that
we're
going
in
the
wrong
direction
that
that
feels
like
it
is
ignoring
the
direction
that
city
council
has
given
to
staff
that
it
feels
disrespectful
is
an
understatement,
and
I
just
I
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
I
am
aware
that
our
staff
work
like
putting
in
good
work.
I
I
am
not
disrespecting
that
work.
I
I
am
concerned
at
the
level
of
leadership
in
the
coordinator's
office
about
how
those
resources
are
being
distributed
and
what
kinds
of
direction
is
being
given
that
this
is
the
priority
that
this
is
the
thing
that
comes
forward
and
that
we
have
not.
We
have
yet
to
see
a
single
way
that
our
constituents
can
plug
into
a
community
engagement
process
that
we
requested.
At
the
same
time,
this
facility
was
requested.
I
So
we
are,
we
are
getting
to
see
these
parallel
processes
and
this
is
not
acceptable
and
we
are
going
to
have
to
see
significant
changes
in
this
regard.
It's
it's
simply
not.
Okay.
Many
people
might
be
surprised
hearing
that
I'm
opposed
to
this
presentation
to
see
my
name
on
the
budget
resolution
that
proposes
moving
this
moving
the
money
from
our
reserve
funds.
I
was
as
surprised
as
anybody.
Nobody
ever
talked
to
me
and
asked
me
if
they
could
put
my
name
on
that.
I
I
am
the
finance
subcommittee
chair.
It
is
appropriate
that
my
name
beyond
that
and
is
appropriate
that
my
name
be
on
that,
because
I
should
be
consulted
about
these
kinds
of
financial
moves.
And
frankly,
I
I
object
to
the
source
and
we'll
have
that
conversation
in
a
different
community.
Probably,
but
my
understanding
of
the
changes
that
we
made
to
our
budget
are
that
we
avoided
layoffs
by
drawing
down
our
reserve
funds
to
a
point
that
our
reserve
funds
are
in
pretty
tight
shape.
I
So
I
not
only
should
my
name
not
be
on
that
resolution,
but
I
oppose
that
resolution
because
I
actually
am
not
convinced
that
that's
the
right
financial
move
to
be
making
and
it
would
take
some
convincing
and
it
would
take
staff
actually
working
with
council
in
order
for
that
conversation
to
happen
in
a
way
that
it
could
move
forward.
So
I'm
opposed
to
this
on
many
many
levels
and
I'm
frankly,
pretty
offended
by
the
way
this
has
proceeded.
I
I
do
not
think
that
council,
member
gordon,
should
have
to
be
the
one
to
bend
over
backwards
and
propose
amendments
upon
amendments
and
detail
in
order
to
make
this
something
that
has
some
level
of
community
engagement.
I
I
think
it's
very
very
important
that
we
that
we
say
no
to
this
and
if
we
miss
this
opportunity
on
this
space,
that
is
how
real
estate
shopping
works,
sometimes
like
the
the
real
estate
deal
that
you
get
is
the
one
based
on
what's
available
when
you're
going
to
the
market
and
if
we're
not
ready
to
go
to
market
we're,
not
ready
to
go
to
market,
but
I'm
telling
you.
We
are
not
in
a
moment
that
the
status
quo
can
continue.
I
We
are
not
in
a
moment
when
we
can
just
do
these
transactions
and
pass
them
without
people
paying
attention.
The
community
is
paying
attention.
They're
offended,
I'm
offended,
and
we
can't
pass
this
today.
A
Thank
you,
council,
member
fletcher.
I
I
have
put
myself
in
queue.
I
just
also
wanted
to
share
that.
I
will
not
be
able
to
support
this
today,
but
it
is
not
a
reflection
of
the
hard
work
that
property
services
put
into
finding
this
location
and
because
it
fits
all
of
the
requirements
and
the
need
so
from
the
property
services
perspective,
you
nailed
it.
So
I
just
want
to
name
that
that
particular
body
of
work.
This
is
not
a
reflection
of
of
that
work.
A
We
can't
much
to
council
member
fletcher's
points
which
she
spoke
to
very
well.
We
cannot
make
a
decision
about
something
this
significant
without
a
framework
in
which
engagement
is
every
decision.
That's
related
to
public
safety
is
connected
to
that
framework
of
engagement.
A
This
is
one
decision,
but
there
will
be
many
that
some
have
been
coming
before
council.
Some
have
been
coming
out
of
the
mayor's
office.
There
have
been
various
decisions
and
announcements
that
have
been
made
without
any
sort
of
clear
framework
for
engagement,
and
so
we
cannot
make
this
decision
even
if,
from
my
perspective,
even
if
it
crosses
you,
know,
checks
off
all
the
boxes
of
the
things
that
we
need
and
because
of
the
fact
that
this
is
happening
off
in
its
own
world.
A
Of
course,
the
police
department
is
in
its
own
space,
but
this
is
a
decision
that
really
impacts
the
entire
city,
and
we
had
tens
of
thousands
of
people
who
took
to
the
streets
and
who
asked
for
a
different
way
of
doing
business,
and
this
is
not
a
different
way
of
doing
business,
and
we
also
said,
as
a
city
council
that
we
did
not
want
for
business
to
be
continued
to
be
done
as
usual,
and
we
wanted
things
to
be
done
differently.
A
So
we
cannot
make
such
a
big
decision
related
to
as
relocating
the
third
precinct,
which
was
really
the
the
the
imagery
of
the
uprisings
and
the
movement
like
without
any
sort
of
way
for
folks
to
plug
in
and
how
it
is
connected
to
a
larger
picture
of
transforming
public
safety.
I've
not
seen
that,
and
so.
Therefore,
I
cannot
support
this
support.
This
item,
as
is
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
council
member
allison.
F
You
know
I
I
think
when
this
first
came
up
in
the
committee,
even
though
I
hadn't
been
briefed
on
it,
it's
not
my
ward,
it's
not
near
my
part
of
the
city
and
I'd
assume
that
a
lot
of
the
due
diligence
that
I
would
have
expected
if
this
was
something
that
was
coming
to
my
ward,
had
been
done
on
the
front
end
that
the
community
engagement
had
been
had
been
done,
and
what
I
found
was
was
that,
while
you
know
we
did
sort
of
some
of
our
our
our
arm
as
usual
procedures
with
regards
to
community
safety,
is
that
the
community
from
the
area
seem
to
be
shocked
that
this
was
coming.
F
I
know
that
councilmember
gordon
then
held
a
community
meeting
which
sparked,
I
think,
a
lot
of
the
outreach
that
we
as
a
council
started
to
get,
and
I
want
to
echo
council-
remember
councilman
fletcher's
comments
that
no
one
has
spoken
in
in
favor
of
this
proposal
directly
to
me
and
and
and
I
would
I
would
include
everyone
in
in
in
terms
of
staff
community
members-
the
mayor's
office-
no
one's
spoken
in
favor
of
it-
I
I
don't
just
mean
from
the
community,
but
I
mean
through
the
community
and
and
throughout
the
enterprise.
F
F
It
would
be
the
businesses
if,
if
no
one
else,
that
would
want
to
see
police
resources
sort
of
reinstated,
and
I
got
from
one
of
the
businesses
that
this
was
not
a
good
fit
for
for
the
area
right
now
and
that
we
hadn't
done
our
due
diligence
and
and
again
I
I'll
also
echo
my
colleagues
and
saying
I
don't
think
that
this
is
a
failure
of
property
services.
I
think
that
this
is
a
failure
of
our
of
our
priorities.
F
We
asked
that
there
be
real,
meaningful
change
when
it
comes
to
all
decisions
regarding
public
safety
and
instead
of
pursuing
that
change,
we
we,
you
know
we're
slow
to
as
an
enterprise,
and
yet
we
are
very
quick
to
rush
to
to
business
as
usual.
You
know
so
replacing
this
service.
That
was
that
was
that
was
in
in
many
ways
evicted
from
this
neighborhood,
and
so
I-
and
so
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
a
failure
of
our
priorities
here.
F
This
does
need
to
happen,
but
it's
happening
out
of
order,
and
I
think
that
we,
it
is
our
job
as
a
city
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
make
sure
that
these
decisions
and
that
these
discussions
are
happening
in
order,
and
I
think
that
the
first
thing
that
needs
to
happen
is
that
we
have
to
have
meaningful
conversation
with
the
entire
city
about
how
we're
going
to
proceed
when
it
comes
to
public
safety,
and
without
that,
I
think
that
we
are
going
to
continue
to
see
massive
pushback.
F
I
think
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
zero
buy-in
from
the
mayor's
office
to
the
you
know
to
the
community.
Again,
I'm
not
saying
that
I
understand
what
the
mayor's
position
is
or
that
I
understand
what
staff's
position
is.
F
I'm
saying
that
no
one
came
and
advocated
for
this
at
the
council
level
to
the
council
members
who
would
be
to
ask
ask
to
support
this,
and
so
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
support
this
either
and
and-
and
I
think
that
we're
gonna
need
to
see
some
of
these
other
things
happening.
Some
of
the
other
conversations
happening
in
their
proper
in
their
proper
order
before
we
can
really
understand
what
the
best
fit
for
this
neighborhood
is
when
it
comes
to
replacing
the
third
precinct.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
ellison.
Next,
up
in
our
queue
is
councilmember
paul,
masano.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
was
hoping
that
the
coordinator
could
respond
to
some
of
the
questions
that
I
guess
otherwise
the
chief
would
take.
I
know
I
had
to
go
to
another
call,
probably
because
of
the
timing
of
how
this
meeting
has
gone,
but,
similarly
to
council.
Member
gordon,
I
take
a
healthy
work
environment
extremely
seriously,
especially
for
people
surveying
in
a
public
safety
role.
J
I
think
that
we
need
the
political
will
as
a
body
to
move
forward
in
this
challenging
environment,
and
I
hear
that
from
all
of
you.
I
also
take
the
feedback
that
council
member
gordon
provided
seriously
in
that
he's
learned
from
on
the
ground
listening
in
his
community,
and
I
know
it's
a
very
difficult
time
to
be
doing
that.
So
I
applaud
that.
J
I
am
curious,
if
section
1c
of
his
proposal
that
he
put
up
that
I've
seen
for
the
first
time
here
with
like
basic
requirements,
for
what
ms
o'brien
needed
for
what
she
first
outlined
are
are
doable
right.
Can
we
carve
out
those
spaces
of
9000
square
feet
for
this
public
use
and
nine
thousand
square
feet
for
that
public
use?
I
don't
know
and
and
something
that
I
probably
just
glossed
over
and
missed
when
hearing
ms
o'brien
is,
who
else
is
planned
to
office
in
this
building
outside
police?
J
Most
people,
I
think,
forget
in
the
general
public
that
3-1-1
was
housed
in
the
third
precinct
that
burned
down
as
well.
I
see
this
is
temporary
because
it's
a
temporary
release.
It's
it's
to
figure
out
what
the
plan
is
to
go
forward
with
with
the
third
precinct
or
not
and
use
that
year-long
community
conversation
accordingly,
but
this
is
also
urgent.
J
J
I
also
think
there's
some
thoughtful
and
unreasonable
things
in
this
potential
motion
or
staff
direction,
but
but
there's
also
some
things
that
we're
trying
to
like
hold
this
decision
hostage
or
maybe
try
to
make
a
little
bit
more
tolerable
by
by
adding
two
and-
and
I
don't
think
that's
gonna
help.
We've
budgeted
resources
for
different
kinds
of
healing
in
parts
of
our
city.
That's
some
of
what
council
member
gordon
speaks
to
in
this,
and
and
we
need
to
get
started
on
that.
J
I
think
that,
from
the
public
perspective,
we're
still
providing
service
for
911
calls.
So
it's
maybe
not
real
apparent
the
lack
of
where
a
third
precinct
is
operating
from,
but
we're
on
borrowed
time
right
now
in
our
temporary
location,
and
I
think
a
decision
needs
to
be
made.
I
think
that
pushing
this
out
in
depth
indefinitely
is
not
helpful
from
two
specific
perspectives:
first
from
a
budget
perspective
and
second
from
a
service
perspective,
so
I
am
as
frustrated
as
all
of
you
are
on
how
we
go
forward
in
figuring
out
the
future.
J
But
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
deal
with
the
right
now
and
I
think
that
in
prior
times
perhaps
property
and
finance
services
had
the
ability
to
go
out
and
get
temporary
locations
to
rent,
to
provide
essential
city
services
in
the
past,
maybe
without
needing
to
go
through
a
long,
drawn-out
process,
and
I
think
their
desire
to
do
so
here.
It
is
to
be
extra
transparent
right
now,
but
I
I
ask
us
all
to
maintain
our
commitment
to
provide
and
respond
to
calls
across
the
city.
J
We
can't
fall
into
or
operate
out
of
a
void
here
until
we
can
all
come
out
with
the
long-term
final
solution.
J
I
I
feel
like
if
it
were
me,
this
is
the
equivalent
of
putting
a
resource
in
northeast,
that's
used
in
southwest
minneapolis,
and-
and
so
I
disagree,
my
my
questions
for
the
coordinator
in
absence
of
the
chief
are
first,
our
first
responder,
meaning
police
fire,
etc.
Are
these
services
impacted
right
now
in
this
geography
and,
secondly,
are
those
other
carve
outs
of
space,
as
councilmember
gordon
is
requesting
here
at
all
feasible?
A
Mr
ralph,
if
you
are
on
the
call,
welcome
and
and
we
would
love
to
hear
from
you
on
this,
thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
mark
roth
from
the
city
coordinator.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
and
will
address
them
as
best
that
I
can
on
some
technical
issues.
I
know
there's
police
leadership
that
is
available,
but
I
will
attempt
to
summarize
what
my
conversations
with
the
chief
have
been
so
far.
K
K
K
So
in
order
to
provide
services
to
the
residents
and
businesses
of
the
third
precinct,
at
least
it
was
our
direction
that
we
find
a
temporary
location.
This
is
not
a
permanent
site;
it
is
a
temporary
site
for
those
employees.
K
If
the
council
is
not
ready
to
move
forward
with
this,
I
think
we
as
a
staff
need
specific
direction
as
to
what
parameters,
if
the
ones
that
missile
brian
was
not
operating
under
that
are
reflective
of
council
on
what
parameters
that
you
would
introduce
as
being
achievable
in
the
time
frames
that
I
described,
which
is
an
assumption
that
the
police
will
need
to
be
out
of
the
convention
center
by
early
2021..
K
So
that
would
be
helpful
feedback
for
us
as
staff.
On
the
issue
of
briefing
council
members,
I
just
want
to
thank
councilmember,
gordon
for
being
as
communicative
as
he
has
been.
At
least
it
was
our
assumption
that
he,
as
the
word
council
member,
was
the
one
that
we
should
be
spending
time
with
on
working
through
the
conditions
that
he's
outlined
and
just
a
comment
generally
about
the
conditions
that
he's
outlined.
K
My
discussions
with
the
council
member
has
been
previously
that
I
think
for
us
to
sign
a
lease
would
require
that
there
not
be
future
council
action
that
would
be
contemplated
because,
potentially
then
we
have
a
lease
and
a
number
of
improvements
that
have
been
made
and
if
there's
not
an
occupant
for
the
building,
that's
obviously
not
a
good
source
of
or
a
use
of
resources
for
the
city
generally,
and
so
on.
The
specific
motion
that
he's
he
has
listed.
K
That
would
be
one
of
the
items
that
I
would
recommend
to
you
that
we
remove,
which
is
future
council
action.
If
there
are
specific
verification
that
you
all,
as
council
would
like
to
see
about
the
conditions
that
are
listed
later
on,
we
can
certainly
be
flexible
when
working
with
all
of
the
committee
members
on
what
those
conditions
would
be.
K
In
my
discussions
with
the
chief,
I
think
largely
the
conditions
that
the
council
member
gordon
have
outlined
are
achievable,
with
the
exception
of
section
number
two,
and
that
is
where
it's
unfortunate,
that
the
chief
was
not
able
to
to
join
us.
K
I
know
he
was
available
from
about
two
until
245,
but
had
to
leave,
but
clearly
the
chief
has
made
central
to
his
work
is
relationship
repair,
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
helpful
if
the
committee
is
willing
to
move
forward
as
a
next
step
to
have
the
chief
outline
for
the
whole
force,
not
just
for
the
folks
who
are
working
or
would
be
working
out
of
this
potential
building,
but
for
the
whole
force.
What
are
those
efforts
that
are
underway?
K
But
I
think
feel
strongly
that-
and
this
is
not
just
from
a
police
department
perspective,
but
also
from
a
human
resources
perspective,
that
any
type
of
requirements
around
workforce
are
universally
applied
and
are
those
again
that
are
achievable
and
ones
that
that
the
chief
feels
like
will
be
in
alignment
with
the
vision
that
that
he
can
undertake
in
the
next
few
months
on
the
engagement
side.
K
That
is
a
separate
conversation
which
I'm
happy
to
have
at
the
time.
That
council
would
would
like
to
see
that
discussion
happen.
As
you
all
are
aware,
there's
been,
I
think,
a
great
effort,
moving
engagement
around
public
safety
generally
into
a
format
that
includes
both
the
mayor
and
the
council.
K
Whether
or
not
the
whole
council
endorses
that
concept.
I
leave
to
you,
but
at
least
that's
the
direction
I've
been
working
under,
which
is
to
try
to
bring
together
a
comprehensive
engagement
process
which
can
be
both
understandable
and
meaningful
over
the
long
term,
and
I
think
we,
as
staff
in
the
coordinator's
office,
took
the
year-long
process
as
a
very
as
a
very
significant
direction.
K
If
we
want
to
move
that
up
more
quickly,
certainly
happy
to
work
with
council
in
terms
of
the
steps
you
would
like
to
see,
but
if
the
direction
back
to
us
is
that
we
should
not
see
any
building
that
houses
third
precinct
employees
until
that
engagement
process
is
completed,
then
that's
a
concern.
Obviously,
for
the
reasons
I
stated
earlier.
If
there
is
a
certain
commencement
of
that
engagement
process
that
you
would
like
to
see
move
forward
before
this
building
is
occupied
and
want
to
add
to
council.
K
Member
gordon's
motion
certainly
would
take
that
feedback
from
council
as
well.
So
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
thoughts,
but
I
would
just
echo
that
I
do
consider
this
location
to
be
critical,
because
without
a
to
answer,
council
member
paul,
sonoma's
question
without
a
location,
the
effectiveness
of
the
police
department
to
respond
is
significantly
diminished
and
how
we
define
that
certainly
could
be
a
something
that
we
have
others
on.
The
call
that
can
comment
on.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
mr
ruff.
Next
up
in
the
queue
we
have
council,
member
kano.
G
Swear
this
means
button.
It's
driving
me
nuts.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
appreciate
it.
I
hope
that
folks
can
hear
me
okay,
so
I'm
I'm
happy
to
support
my
colleague,
councilmember
gordon,
in
in
the
best
way
that
he
sees
fit
here.
I
know
it's
a
very
challenging
discussion
and
I'll
I'll
share
some
of
the
difficulties
for
for,
for,
I
think
for
for
me
over
here
on
on
the
third
precinct
side
in
south
minneapolis
and
and
with
the
communities
that
we
represent.
G
So
you
know,
like
I
mentioned,
I'm,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
support
councilmember,
gordon
in
in
the
direction
that
he
wants
to
take
this
in,
because
I'm
sensitive
to
the
the
site,
specific
issues
that
this
is
going
to
draw
out
and
and
has
already
drawn
out,
I
think
writ
large.
The
challenge
many
of
us
are
facing
is
that
we
don't
have
an
alternative
response
system
to
policing
right
now
and
we
might
have
some.
G
I
think,
some
nation
strategies
that
are
being
tested
and
piloted,
and
some
of
them
have
been
helpful
at
a
at
being
able
to
interrupt
violence.
That's
happening
on
the
street,
whether
it's
you
know
the
the
folks
who
live
in
east
phillips
who
stay
up
all
night.
These
are
residents
that
stay
up
all
night.
G
They
come
home
from
work,
they
eat
dinner
with
their
families,
they
put
their
children
to
bed
and,
and
then
they
stay
up
during
the
night
radiating
each
other
walking
with
walkie-talkies
about
what's
happening
on
the
street
and
and
they've
interrupted,
muggings
and
and
and
person-to-person
robberies
on
on
on
flips.
G
It's
it's
not
ideal,
of
course,
for
for
me
to
to
expect
that
our
residents
do
that.
I
think
it's
unfair
to
expect
that
our
residents
are
doing
that,
especially
in
already
overburdened
areas
like
east
phillips.
G
So
the
the
challenge
in
in
supporting
something
like
this,
which
I
said
you
know
again,
I'm
going
to
to
support
the
direction
of
the
council
member
of
the
area
is
that
we
find
ourselves
in
in
a
place
where
we
don't
have
anything
else
that
folks
can
rely
on
when
they
are
experiencing
the
the
threat
of
increased
gun
violence.
G
And
you
know
I
just
I
just
got
an
email
earlier
today
about
all
kinds
of
things
that
are
being
stolen
from
a
site
over
on,
and
I
have
business
owners
who
are
very
angry
at
me
who
have
businesses
on
lake
street,
and
you
know
these
businesses
are
not
rich
they're,
not
wealthy.
G
These
are
business
owners
who
are
immigrants
who
put
every
little
dollar
back
into
their
business
and
are
trying
to
keep
their
doors
open
and
they're,
saying
that
it's
basically
open
season
on
them
that
they
get
robbed
regularly
every
week
that
people
come
and
take
things
from
their
store
all
the
time
and
that
they
don't
know
what
to
do,
and
I'm
also
sitting
here
thinking.
Oh
my
god.
G
I
also
don't
know
what
to
do
for
you
and
that's
not
a
good
feeling
and
that's
not
a
good,
that's,
not
a
good
answer,
and
so
I
do
my
best
to
try
to
say
well,
let's
lean
on
the
office
of
violence
prevention,
let's
talk
to
our
community-based
safety
patrols.
Let's,
let's
you
know
bring
together
a
meeting
and
pragmatically.
You
know
that
doesn't
change
the
reality
day-to-day
and-
and
I
know
that,
but
what's
important
to
me-
is
that
people
know
that
we're
trying.
G
G
And
after
next
year's
hopeful.
G
K
G
Are
being
tested
and
the
waters
are
being
tested
by
a
lot
of
different
people
in
a
lot
of
different
scales
of
the
situation,
so
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
staff
have
done
on
this.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
I've
seen
councilmember
gordon
do
to
dig
in
with
his
community
who
raised
very
legitimate
concerns.
G
I
worry
that
some
of
those
concerns
won't
go
away,
no
matter
where
the
site
is
or
how
many
people
we
put
where
you
know.
As
you
know,
the
the
third
precinct
is
the
largest
precinct
in
the
city
and
the
council.
Members
of
that
area
include,
you
know
like
five
or
six
of
us
that
are
involved
in
the
third
priesthood,
because
our
words
are
represented
by
it
and,
and
so
there's
been
discussions
about
you
know,
do
we
break
up
the
third
precinct
and
do
we
you
know,
make
it
like
mini
precincts
throughout
the
area?
G
How?
How
would
that
look?
What
would
it
feel
and
and
what
would
it
ultimately
quell
some
of
the
the
concerns,
and
I
don't
know
that
it
will?
I
think
we
have
a
very
mammoth
problem
here
in
that
you
know
precincts
or
sites
where
officers
are,
do,
become
targets
of
direct
actions
and
and
do
become
centers
of
you
know,
sort
of
like
this.
G
This
magnetism
for
activity
and
engagement
and
and
sometimes
that
activity
and
engagement,
as
we
saw
in
the
last
you
know
few
months-
leads
to
things
burning
down
and
and
and
people
not
feeling
safe
and
secure
in
their
own
community.
G
So
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
ever
going
to
be
able
to
get
rid
of
that.
Maybe
we
will.
I
mean
the
optimist
in
me
hopes
that
we
can
solve
that
problem,
but
but
I
don't
know,
I'm
not,
I'm
not
100,
confident
that
we
will
so
I'll.
Just
say
that
it's
maybe
we
can
figure
this
out
by
the
18th.
G
When
we
have
a
full
city
council
vote,
maybe
we
won't,
and
in
general
I
think
that
the
the
points
about
community
engagement
relating
to
how
we
as
a
community
in
minneapolis,
reimagine,
safety
and
and
policing,
you
know-
I,
I
think,
we're
we're
almost
halfway
through
that
that
one
year
timeline
that
we
put
in
place
and
the
city
has
done
engagement
a
lot
over
the
past
couple
of
years.
G
I
mean
we
did
so
much
engagement
on
so
many
issues,
neighborhoods
2020,
the
comp
plan,
we've
done
so
much
engagement
on
site-specific
projects,
whether
it's
upper
harbor
terminal
or
the
roof
depot
in
these
phillips.
G
So
I
I
believe
that
we
can
figure
this
out
and
that
we
can
figure
it
out
quite
quickly,
like
literally
within
the
next
30
days.
I
I
don't
think
we
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel
for
this
engagement
process
to
move
forward.
I
think
there
are
many
council
members
who
are,
you
know
just
eager
to
get
it
going
and
get
it
started
and
just
have
us
do
it
and-
and
we
don't
have
to
be
perfect
about
it.
So
I
I
wanna
encourage
just
to
really
just.
G
You
know
just
not
reinvent
the
wheel
and
get
stuck
on
and
coming
up
with
the
whole
totally
new
different
framework.
The
city
has
engaged
thousands
of
people
over
many
many
years
and
in
the
last
you
know
two
election
cycles
and-
and
I
think
we
can-
we
can
get
this
done.
We
can
just
you
know,
get
our
website
up,
get
our
our
staff
centered
on
on
leading
this
process.
G
We
have
a
division
that
does
engagement,
work,
full-time,
it's
called
neighborhood
and
community
relations,
and,
and
you
know,
and
having
conversations
with
them
and
others
about
how
we
can
accomplish
this,
get
really
robust
engagement
here
within
the
next
six
months.
G
It's
it's
a
matter
of
priorities
for
us,
and
so
we,
as
elected
officials,
can
certainly
tell
our
staff.
You
know
what
prioritizes
this
engagement
work
and
let's
put
these
other
projects
on
the
burner
on
the
back
burner
and
kind
of
get
back
to
them.
G
After
we,
we
complete
the
work
of
seeking
input
on
reimagining
safety,
and,
and
so
I
I
do
think
we
have
the
the
ability
and
to
do
that
quite
quite
readily
and
quite
fast
if
we
really
wanted
to
zero
in
on
on
that
engagement,
and
it
would
help
this
conversation
a
lot,
because
I
keep
telling
people
that
the
the
economic
and
cultural
recovery
of
minnehaha
and
lake
street
is
is
different
and
separate
than
what
happens
to
officers
and
wear
the
office
out
of
and
where
they
pick
up
their
phones
or
or
not.
G
G
Without
that
other
engagement
container
to
to
put
the
conversations
that
council
member
gordon
has
been
leading
on
his
own
with
staff
on
the
third
were
sort
of
at
a
stalemate.
And
so
we
can't
really
advance
that
until
that
is
figured
out,
and
so
I
guess
to
my
colleagues,
you
know
the
challenges:
can
we
figure
it
out
and
get
it
verified
by
september
18th?
So
we
can
move
confidently
forward
and
I've
tried
to
have
conversations
with
people
on
the
council
about
this.
G
I
think
mostly,
they
fall
on
deaf
ears
and
you
know
that's
fine,
I'm
I'm
trying
my
best.
I
don't
feel
like
I'm
being
reciprocated
and-
and
that's
all
I
can
do
you
know
I
can
try
my
best
every
day
and
I
can't
force
everybody
else
to
go
along
with
my
ideas
or
to
return
my
emails
or
my
phone
calls
or
my
text
messages.
G
And
so
with
that
I'll,
you
know,
support
council
member
gordon
in
the
direction
he
would
like
to
take
this
in
and-
and
I
do
believe
that
we
can
figure
this
out
quite
quickly
here
if
we
really
focus
and
zero
on
some
items.
So
thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
connell.
I
I
will
just
briefly
add.
A
I
I
really
appreciate
the
the
motion
that
was
brought
forward
by
council
member
gordon
from
from
my
perspective,
those
are
the
like
that's
the
kind
of
work
that
should
be
happening
in
a
systematic
way,
city
wide,
and
you
know
we
we
don't
want
just
healing
in
the
third
precinct.
We
mean
in
the
fourth
freezing
too,
like
if
you
know
throughout
the
entire
city
and
so
they're
right
now
we're
not
having
those
conversations
and
doing
that
work
in
a
systematic
way.
A
So
you
know-
and
I
just
want
to
respond
to
mr
ruff
around
like
I
don't
I
don't
believe
you
know
just
from
my
perspective.
I
do
not
believe
that
we
need
to
have
this
process
completed
before
making
a
decision
like
this,
because
decisions
around
public
safety
are
still
being
made.
A
It's
just
that
they're
not
being
made
in
a
systematic
organized
way
in
the
way
that
the
city
council
have
put
forward
and
that
there's
not
the
intentionality
that
was
requested
through
a
co-creation
and
co-production
process,
and
so
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
add.
Add
that
perspective
from
from
me.
As
a
council
member,
we
need
to
finish
the
process,
but,
as
council
member
allison
spoke
to
it
feels,
like
the
sequence,
is
out
of
order
in
terms
of
decision
making
and
putting
that
system
in
place
next
step.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
this
discussion
and
hear
from
all
of
you
about
it.
It
seems
pretty
clear
to
me
that,
and
I
guess
I
would
like
to
just
move
that
we
recommend
not
authorizing
the
lease
at
this
point
and
I'll
speak
to
it
briefly.
E
I
think
clearly
there's
many
of
you
on
the
committee
that
think
that
we're
not
ready
for
this.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
a
kind
of
a
committee
consensus,
or
at
least
it
feels
like
a
majority
position,
but
I
also
have
to
say
that
I
was
pretty
significantly
disappointed
that
there
wasn't
enough
risk
willingness
to
at
least.
E
E
The
expectations
are
enormous,
we're
supposed
to
be
able
to
manage
them,
but
the
authority
is
minimal
and
it's
dismal
and
our
ability
to
do
it
because
of
the
law
that
are
set
up
to
prevent
us
from
doing
it.
So
now
I'm
trying
to
use
this
city
coordinator
and
property
services
to
it,
who
at
least,
I
believe,
feel
that
the
charter
requires
them
to
follow
our
direction,
to
help
us
to
make
sure
that
the
police
department
is
willing
to
do
some
of
the
things
that.
E
Community
is
asking
them
to
do
before
they're
moving
forward
and-
and
we
can't
so
that
was
very
difficult
to
hear,
and
that
basically
is
a
deal
breaker
with
me
on
those
conditions
that
I
actually
bent
over
backwards
to
create
and
probably
would
take
an
enormous
amount
of
heat
from
many
of
the
people.
E
In
my
reward,
for
you
know,
we've
been
moving
forward
with
at
least
even
with
the
conditions,
but
that's
like
the
bare
minimum,
and
I
also
just
want
to
say
how
deeply
disappointing
it's
to
hear
that
the
chiefs,
not
even
willing
to
have
the
department,
engage
in
a
community
and
restore
just
this
process
or
to
establish
a
pro
program
of
implicit
bias,
assessment
and
advice,
training
for
the
people
who
work
there
and
I'm
fine
if
it's
city-wide.
E
That
would
be
great,
but
I
really
think
it's
important
that
they
participate
in
something
that
the
community
helps
lead
and
creates
in
the
council.
So
it's
great
to
hear
what
the
chief
and
the
mayor
want
to
do
and
get
it.
You
know
here
announcements
and
updates
from
them,
but
actually
diminishes
whatever
they
come
up
with,
if
it
hasn't
had
an
opportunity
to
be
vetted
by
the
community
and
yes
by
the
city
council,
who
are
the
elected
representatives
from
the
community.
E
So
the
fact
that
number
two
it
was
taken
off
the
table
just
makes
me
think
there
is
not
any
hope
for
getting
any
kind
of
conditions
that
would
make
me,
or
my
community
feel
comfortable
with
this
this
this
state
many
people
feel
profoundly
harmed
through
the
police
killings
and
the
police
misconduct
that
have
been
going
on
for
a
long
time
as
much
as
they
respect
and
revere
and
value.
E
The
amazing
work
of
many
many
many
officers
so
don't
get
that
wrong,
but
they
it's
clear
that
there's
some
systemic
deep-rooted
problems
and
that
there
are
some
deep
injuries
that
we
need
to
take
the
time
to
heal
on
both
sides
of
all
of
this
for
all
sides
of
it.
I'm
sure.
E
And
we
really
need
to-
and
I
don't
want
to
go
off
too
much
on
my
soapbox,
but
I'm
just
going
to
go
off
a
little
bit
more.
I
think
we
really
need
a
process.
E
Where
can
we
can
see
each
other
as
human
beings
as
fellow
human
beings
as
brothers
and
sisters,
and
we
need
a
process
where
we
can
sit
at
a
table
without
uniforms
without
labels
without
weapons,
and
we
can
see
each
other
and
we
can
start
to
heal
and
find
out
how
we
can
move
forward
together
working
for
this
community
safety,
I
hope-
hopefully
at
least
some
of
those
things
from
these
conditions
and
that
were
hashed
out
can
be
carried
forward
as
we
move
on.
E
Well,
I
actually
think
looking
at
that
last
issue
there
and
creating
some
real
interdepartmental
teams
with
com
sitting
down
with
community,
to
to
address
that
as
some
of
the
ways
that
we
could
do
that,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
to
those
points,
but
I
perhaps
was
over
ambitious
and
I
thought
somehow
I
could
use
the
need
that
we
have
for
this
lease
to
leverage
a
real
reimagining
and
some
opportunity
to
do
some
real,
real
new,
innovative
pilot
work
here
in
this
neck
of
the
woods.
E
But
I
see
that
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
I
think
the
most
that
my
I
was
thinking.
I
could
move
it
forward
without
recommendation,
but
I
think
at
this
point
my
emotion
and
you
guys
can
come
back
and
fix
it.
If
you
think
it's
wrong,
we
just
need
to
deny
the
authorization
and
send
that
forward.
I
guess
this
is
going
to
pogo
them
into
the
council
and
we
can
that
at
least
those
of
us
at
pogo,
which
all
of
us
will
be.
E
There
can
and
have
that
as
a
recommendation
out
of
this
committee.
If
it
doesn't
pass.
A
Thank
you
councilman,
member
gordon,
so
the
motion
on
the
table
is
to
deny
authorization
of
the
lease,
and
so
so
there
is
that
motion
council
member
fletcher.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
this
motion.
A
Okay,
then
you're
up.
I
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
included,
but
I
also
have
a
a
question
for
property
services
that
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
we
are
to
not
move
forward
with
this,
if,
if
we're
just
not
in
a
place
where
this
makes
sense,
because,
as
councilmember
noted,
we
haven't
even
had
a
community
conversation
about
whether
we
want
a
centralized
precinct
or
about
whether
there
might
be
some
other
organization
that
might
better
meet
community
safety
needs
and
that
some
of
that
doesn't
need
to
happen,
and
it
does
not
need
to
take
a
year.
I
I
don't
think
anybody
thought
that
when
we
said
a
year-long
process
that
we
wouldn't
even
start
publicly
talking
to
each
other
for
four
months
after
we
made
that
request,
but
I
do
think
you
know
we
need
to
recognize
that
there
are
decision
points
that
need
to
be
informed
by
engagement
moving
forward
and
that
that
needs
to
happen.
I
If
we're
not
at
a
place
where
we
can
move
forward
with
this,
I'm
wondering
if
the
site
has
been
assessed
for
potential
as
a
potential
site
for
temporary
homeless
shelter.
I
I
This
seems
extremely
well
suited
to
it
from
the
presentation
and
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
release
this
property,
I'm
wondering
if
we've
considered
other
possible
uses
and
whether
it
might
be
worth
pursuing
for
a
different
purpose,
and
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
for
guidance
about
our
departments
talking
to
each
other.
I
know
cped's
looking
for
that
housing,
you
know
for
that
space
and
property
services
was
tasked
with
looking
for
this.
Space
have
have
we
been
coordinating.
A
Thank
you,
council,
member
fletcher,
mrs
o'brien
or
mr
ruff
would
either
of
you
like
to
speak
to
that
question.
D
I
could
I
can
definitely
start
and
invite
mr
ruff
to
add.
D
A
I
do
not
see
any
follow-up
here,
so
next
in
the
queue
is
make
sure
I
didn't
miss
anybody
all
right.
It
is
council,
member,
pablo.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I
mean
I
I
understand
where
the
votes
lie
in
this
committee,
I
would
ask:
can
we
commit
to
what
the
coordinator
said
to
commit
to
continue
to
move
forward
and
quickly,
like
council
member
cano,
you
know
is
eager
to
do
with
the
list
on
what
we
need
for
a
temporary
location
to
move
forward,
because
I
greatly
fear
that
we
are
running
out
of
time.