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B
Okay,
so
just
does
anybody
just
so
that
jeff?
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
else
need
to
leave
early
just
so
we
have
a
sense
because
we
need
we
need
four
for
the
quorum.
B
Need
me
very
good.
Thank
you.
Everyone
all
right
with
that.
The
regular
meeting
of
the
uptown
special
service
district
advisory
board
will
now
begin
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
michael
mclaughlin.
I
will
be
facilitating
this
meeting
of
the
uptown
special
service
district
advisory
board
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
B
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
call
the
rule
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum
board
members.
When
I
call
your
name,
please
indicate
that
you
are
present.
Mike
finn
is
not
present.
Nicholas
hall,
president
jeff
herman
president,
jackie
knight
present
bob
sorenson
present
dan
trouble
present
and
nick
walton
is
not
present
and
then
I'll
note
that
we're
joined
by
david
bauer
and
myself
representing
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
at
this
point
we
do
not
have
any
guests
that
have
joined
us
from
the
public.
B
With
there
being
a
quorum
of
advisory
board.
Members
present,
we
will
proceed
the
first
item
on
the
agenda.
The
first
two
items
we
can
take
as
one
action
item
if
desired,
and
that
would
be
the
adoption
of
the
agenda
and
the
approval
of
the
minutes
to
what
was
the
april
meeting?
Are
there
any
discu?
Is
there
any
discussion
on
either
item
and,
if
not,
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
them
as
drafted?
If
there
are
no
discussion,
there
is
no
discussion.
B
There's
no
further
conversation.
I
will
call
the
role
on
the
adoption
of
the
proposed
agenda
and
the
draft
minutes,
as
submitted
mike
finn,
is
absent,
nicholas
hall
here
as
well.
Sorry
we're
we're
voting.
So
it's
I
or
nay.
I
should
make
it
more
clear,
sorry,
jeff,
herman
hi,
jackie
knight,
hi
bob
sorenson
aye.
B
I
will
note
also
that
nick
walton
is
absent,
so
the
agenda
and
the
minutes
to
the
prior
meeting
are
approved
as
distributed.
We
will
table
the
public
comment
period
until
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Should
someone
from
the
public
join
us
and
want
to
address
the
group
moving
on
to
the
discussion
items,
and
I
will
quickly
share
my
screen
and
I
tend
to
go
through
this
pretty
quickly.
B
Yes
very
good,
so
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
things.
So
this
follows
the
format
we
put
in
place
for
the
2019
year
in
report.
We
start
with
an
overview
of
the
advisory
board.
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
quickly,
but
by
all
means
pause,
and
let
me
know
if
you
have.
Let
us
know
if
you
have
questions
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit
here.
B
We
recap
that
we
did
at
56.4
inches
of
snow
accumulation
for
the
calendar
years,
so
that
included
the
first
part
of
the
year
as
well
as
the
end
of
the
year.
Sidewalk
sweeping
the
pain
and
broom
was
done
108
times
over
the
course
of
the
year.
So
just
over
twice
a
week
january
through
december,
and
we
collected
just
under
3
200
cubic
feet
of
trash
from
those
services.
We
also
did
a
spring
and
a
fall
cleanup
of
the
district.
B
Moving
on
to
the
trash
and
recycling
you
can
see.
Just
over
37
000
cubic
feet
of
trash
were
removed
from
your
60
district
maintained,
trash
receptacles
and
almost
25
000
cubic
feet
of
recycling
materials
removed
from
your
41
district
maintain
one
sort:
recycling
receptacles
we
did
as
previously
discussed
where,
where
appropriate,
we
did
adjust
those
those
service
levels
to
reflect
the
footballs
that
were
happening
in
the
in
the
district
due
to
the
pandemic.
B
So
where
we
could,
we
adjusted
down
just
to
save
the
district,
some
money,
since
obviously
traffic,
pedestrian
traffic
and
vehicular
traffic
wasn't
the
same
last
year
of
course
did
of
course,
the
seasonal
decorations
on
on
all
the
light
poles.
So
we
memorialized
that
maintain
the
electrical
system,
along
with
the
utility
costs,
remove
the
graffiti
in
the
public
right-of-way.
B
We
also
did
the
test
we're
going
to
talk
about
just
a
couple
minutes
of
the
walk,
your
wheels
sidewalk
decals,
to
encourage
people
to
not
ride
bikes
or
scooters,
or
things
like
that.
On
the
sidewalk
you're
in
the
financial
report,
just
to
recap,
your
amended
budget
was
nine
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
six
hundred
and
seventy
dollars.
We
ended
up
spending
three
hundred
and
thirteen
thousand
four
hundred
sixty
three
of
that.
A
big
chunk
of
that
four
hundred,
fifty
five
thousand
just
for
everybody's
line
of
sight.
B
It
was
your
surplus
from
the
prior
year,
so
you
actually
increase
your
surplus
from
19
to
year,
end
2020,
so
it
was
599,
207
and
you'll,
see
that
reflected
in
your
amended
2021
budget
in
just
a
moment.
B
So
all
of
those
dollars
were
carried
forward
and
are
available
to
spend
this
year
and
then
that's
just
the
service
plan.
Any
questions
comments
on
the
annual
report.
There's
no
action
on
this
item.
It
has
already
gone
to
council
and
been
published
on
the
city
website.
So
all
right
with
that,
we'll
keep
moving
quite
a
bit
to
report
on
on
2021
here
and
so
here's
the.
Let
me
start
off
with
the
amended
report.
Let
me
do
this
just
a
little
easier
to
read
again.
B
B
Obviously
we
have
a
number
of
new
initiatives
underway
this
year,
so
we
very
clearly
will
be
using
up
some
of
that
surplus
this
year
and
we
have
a
couple
of
additional
things.
We
want
to
talk
to
the
group
about.
So
this
is
your
amended
budget.
I'm
going
to
take.
If
there's
no
question
specifically
on
the
financials,
I
thought
I
would
just
spend
a
few
minutes
and
provide
updates
on
where
we're
at
on
a
number
of
things.
B
So
let
me
let
me
just
jump
to
that
and
I'm
going
to
go
off
some
notes
here,
just
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
covered
everything.
So,
first
and
foremost,
let
me
let
me
just
do
that
service
response
resulting
from
the
protest
over
the
last
week.
We
wanted
to
just
enumerate
those
very
quickly,
so
please
know
that
crews
were
out
over
the
weekend
to
help
reposition
any
move.
Streetscape
furniture.
There
have
been
some
videos
of
things
posted
where
you
know
people
moving
things
or
attempting
to
move
things.
B
Please
know
that
crews
were
were
on
it
both
on
friday,
so
we
would
have
had
our
normal
pain
and
broom
and
trash
receptacle
services
on
friday.
Crews
were
out
again
on
saturday.
B
They
actually
coordinated
just
in
the
field
with
public
other
public
works
and
city
works
city,
crews,
to
help
clean
up
and
reposition
things.
We
have
re-anchored
any
trash
receptacles
that
were
removed
or
knocked
off
their
bases,
any
that
we
couldn't
secure.
We
either
put
a
chain
on
them
to
a
pole,
so
they
couldn't
go
away
very
far.
B
You
know
because
they're
kind
of
rolling
them
they're
pretty
heavy,
you
can't
really
lift
them,
or
we
did
have
a
couple
that
got
damaged
that
got
hit
by
a
vehicle
both
of
trash
and
recycling,
so
those
have
been
removed
from
from
the
district
for
now,
and
we've
moved
a
few
things
around
just
to
make
sure
we've
got
receptacles
at
at
high
traffic
locations.
B
We
have
been
since
earlier
this
week
since
the
beginning
of
the
week
we
have
been
doing
daily
pan
and
room
services,
and
we've
turned
that
on
at
least
through
sunday,
just
recognizing
that
there
are
people
in
the
district.
Every
night
we'll
see
how
things
go
if
there's
still
sort
of
that
higher
level
of
you
know,
public
demonstrations
happening
every
night,
we'll
just
continue
that,
just
so
at
least
every
morning,
we're
kind
of
resetting
from
a
from
a
litter
and
trash
perspective.
B
Similarly,
we
have
increased
the
graffiti
abatement
services.
We
typically
do
that
twice
a
week
in
the
summer,
we've
moved
that
to
three
times
a
week.
So
again,
this
is
only
on
the
public
right-of-way.
We
know
there's
a
significant
increase
in
graffiti
on
on
buildings,
but
again
we
can't
touch
that,
but
we
wanted
to
at
least
address
what
we
could
address
in
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
so
also
know
that
crews
are
you
know,
as
always,
but
particularly
with
everything
going
on
actively
monitoring
and
reporting
out
to
us.
B
You
know
daily,
if
not
several
times
a
day,
if
hey
we're
seeing
this
hey,
this
is
happening
so
just
know
that
we
are
getting
that
that
field
intel
from
our
from
our
contractors
and
because
some
receptacles
have
been
damaged.
We
had
one
or
two
that
were
missing
before
any
of
this
happened.
So
at
this
point
we
are
at
a
count
of
at
least
four
receptacles
that
we'll
need
to
purchase
this
year
to
replace
either
damaged
or
missing
trash
and
recycling
receptacles.
B
So
again
out
of
a
universe
of
over
a
hundred.
You
know
four
isn't
too
too
bad
at
this
point,
but
know
that
we'll
be
doing
that
proactively
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
service
plan
for
the
remainder
of
the
year,
we'll
continue
with
pan
and
broom.
You
know,
presumably
once
things
sort
of
aren't
as
acute
in
terms
of
the
interest
and
activity
in
uptown.
B
Our
plan
is
to
continue
with
the
pandemic
room
three
times
a
week,
which
is
a
service
level
we
implemented
last
summer,
so
that
would
continue
through
the
end
of
october.
Trash
recycling.
Receptacle
services
will
continue
to
be
serviced
three
times
a
week.
If
that
needs
to
increase.
You
know
we'll
just
do
that
automatically,
because
we
really
obviously
don't
want
overflowing
trash
receptacles
and
then
we'll
once
we're
we're
comfortable,
we'll
we'll
drop
the
graffiti
abatement
back
down
to
its
normal
level
in
the
summer,
which
is
twice
a
week.
B
B
Any
questions
on
those
services
before
I
get
into
some
of
the
the
policing,
the
buyback
and
the
cameras
and
a
couple
other
things.
D
Can
I
make
a
quick
comment?
You
bet.
I
have
noticed
that
like
this
morning,
the
sidewalks
do
need
a
can
and
broom
their
significant
trash
out
there.
Okay
also
notice
that
a
lot
of
the
sidewalks
have
graffiti
on
there
and
maybe
we'll
have
to
consider
power
spraying
lots
of
things
bob.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
we
actually
discussed
that
just
a
day
or
two
ago
with
the
contractor
that
if
they
are
seeing-
because
we
saw
a
lot
of
that
last
summer-
that
if
we
are
seeing
graffiti
on
sidewalks,
that
we
will
just
proactively
go
out
and
pressure
wash
it
off,
which
is
exactly
what
we
did
last
year.
So
they
hadn't
reported
a
lot
of
that
as
of
a
couple
days
ago,
but
again,
there's
been
nightly
activities,
so
things
can
obviously
pop
up
from
one
type
to
the
next.
B
F
I
saw
a
number
of
videos
of
fires
being
started
in
trash
cans,
so
to
the
extent
that
we
can
do
our
best
to
when
there
is
that
activity
to
make
sure
our
trash
is
emptied.
So
maybe
it's
more
of
a
response
situation.
If,
if
we
know
friday
night
is
a
tough
night,
maybe
we
try
and
do
it
on
saturday
just
to
get
those
bins
emptied
so
there's
less
to
burn
it's
a.
B
Great
suggestion,
definitely
I,
like
that
note:
okay,
moving
on
and
again
we
have
a
packed
agenda,
so
I'm
just
going
to
keep
going
but
pause,
and
let
me
you
know,
let
me
know
if
you
have
a
question.
F
Sorry,
michael
one
more
question:
are
we
so
there
were?
I
saw
at
least
one
tree
at
the
walkway
be
started
on
fire.
Do
we
need
to
check
all
of
our
trees
in
the
district
to
figure
out
that
status.
B
We
will
do
that.
I
appreciate
that
feedback
and
we
will.
We
will
definitely
do
that
and
then
does
the
board
have
a
preference,
so
we
can
either
work
with
the
park
board
to
see
if
they
can
do
add
that
to
their
fall,
replacement,
they're
pretty
much
done
with
planting
trees-
and
I
imagine
they're-
probably
done
just
given
the
heat
for
now,
but
they
typically
do
a
fall
planting.
B
B
I'm
seeing
not
okay,
very
good
good
for
that
feedback,
all
right.
Moving
on
to
the
policing
the
buyback
program,
the
update
the
program
has
been
in
place
since
early
january,
just
as
a
refresher,
the
target
service
hour
hours
and
dates
are
5
pm
to
9
pm
sunday
through
wednesday
and
5
p.m,
to
11
p.m,
thursday,
through
saturday
to
date,
the
district
has
paid
for
595
additional
policing
hours
for
a
total
program
cost
through
the
end
of
may
of
just
over
39
thousand
four
000.
B
and
fourteen
dollars.
So
we
are
running
under
our
original
run
rate
of
of
what
was
originally
thought
to
be
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
month.
So
we're
averaging
right
around
eight
thousand
dollars
a
month,
we're
still
getting
coverage.
Some
of
the
costs
aren't
coming
in
as
high
as
we
thought
so
and
there
I
will
say
there
by
and
large,
all
of
the
shift
requests
have
been
filled.
B
There
are
some
dates
in
a
few
periods
where
those
shifts
weren't
filled,
but
overwhelmingly
most
of
those
shifts
are,
are
being
are
being
filled
so
they're
mainly
these
were
single
officer
shifts.
There
have
been
as
we've
gotten
in
the
spring.
Some
pairing
up
of
officers,
which,
based
on
our
prior
conversations,
we
were
comfortable
with
giving
the
go-ahead
that
that
the
board
would
be
comfortable
with
with
that
expense.
So
it's
it's
not
every
shift,
but
it
seemed
to
make
sense,
especially
as
a
as
as
spring
kind
of
moved
on.
B
Yeah
go
ahead.
Dan.
C
B
Yeah
very
much
the
latter.
We
have
provided
them
with
the
service
frontage
map
of
the
district
and
they
are
expected
to
be.
You
know,
patrolling
the
the
entire
district
and
not
just
sort
of
sitting
in
one
spot.
If
you
will
now,
obviously
they
they're
allowed
to
take
breaks,
and
you
know
all
those
kinds
of
things
and
when
it
was
cold
they
were,
you
know,
good,
jumping
jump
in
a
squad
or
or
business.
They
also
are
doing
the
business
drop-ins
for
those
businesses
that
have
requested
them.
B
So
they're
also
doing
that,
while
they're,
while
they're
doing
their
patrol
so
very
much
throughout
the
district.
You
know
we
we're
relying
on
them
to.
You
know
that
they
are
getting
through
the
entire
district,
but
it
isn't
that
they.
It
is
not
a
post
up
situation
where
they're
just
right
at
lake
and
hennepin
and
don't
are
stationary.
D
One
quick
comment
as
the
seasons
change:
nothing
happens
until
after
nine
o'clock
in
uptown.
Right
now,
I
know
in
february
and
march
april,
yeah
five
o'clock
was
a
good
time
to
start,
but
there's
the
sidewalks
are
pretty
empty
and
there's
nothing
happening
at
the
current
hours
that
they're
patrolling.
B
And
part
of
that
appreciate
the
comment
bob
in
working
with
mpd,
we,
the
the
very
clear
guidance
to
help,
ensure
that
shifts
were
filled,
was
if
we
could
align
it
with
either
after
a
prior
shift
ended
or
before
a
later
shift
started
that
we'd
have
more
success,
filling
the
slots.
So
that's
where
five
o'clock,
the
start
time
seemed
to
be
a
more
optimal
time
to
start.
B
I
don't
think
you
know
it's
acknowledged
what
you
said,
especially
you
know
as
we
get
into
you
know
in
the
winter
when
it,
when
it's
cold
and
stuff,
like
that
they're
probably
fewer
out,
but
so
that
was
kind
of
the
rationale
and
the
minimum
was
the
four
hours.
So
we
could
certainly
look
at
that
not
saying
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
fill
the
shifts,
but
there
there
might
be
a
change
in
being
able
to
the
capacity
to
fill
them.
So
there's.
D
Been
a
large
police
presence
in
uptown
every
night
like
starting
10
11
o'clock
at
night
till
about
2
o'clock.
B
Well
and
the
other
part
of
it
was
we
intentionally
wanted
to
design
it
away
from
the
late
night
hour
police
details
that
were
happening
because
one
that
doesn't
necessarily
or
shouldn't
necessarily
doesn't
have
to
be
a
ssd
expense.
It's
probably
the
best
way
to
say
it
and
we
didn't
you
know.
B
Mpd
had
clearly
has
clearly
been
working
with
a
lot
of
the
late
night
operators
to
develop
a
program
about
how
late
night
is
is
best
managed,
and
we
didn't
want
this
to
run
into
it
and
create
oh,
so
we
don't
have
to
pay
for
this
or
you
know,
however,
those
things
are
working,
so
that's
why
we
we
intentionally
ended
it,
knowing
that
there
were
other
things,
other
efforts
in
place
to
address
those
late
night
hours,
obviously
notwithstanding
the
last
week,
but
just
normal
late
night
sort
of
operation.
B
So
the
update
on
the
safety
camera,
the
all
12
and
nicholas,
had
mentioned
this
a
couple
minutes
ago.
All
12
additional
safety
cameras
have
been
installed
at
this
point,
so
the
last
one
went
online
just
within
the
last
two
weeks.
Here
most
of
them
went
online
in
in
april.
Just
wanted
to,
let
you
know
so,
and
the
ssd's
contribution
of
75
000.
We
did
cap
it
at
that,
so
the
the
the
cost
per
camera
for
the
district
ended
up
only
being
62.50,
so
I
say
only
6250.
B
We
are
talking
about
a
higher
number
originally
so
just
wanted
to.
Let
everyone
know
that
and
it's
it's
been
a
great
partnership
between
mpd
it,
your
ssd
project
team
and
it
seems
to
work
pretty
smoothly
and
those
cameras
are
all
visible
not
only
at
the
precinct
but
to
any
place.
Mpd
needs
them
be
at
the
emergency
response
centers,
and
things
like
that.
So
please
know
that,
though,
that
that
contribution
has
been
into
effect
and
and
those
additional
resources
are
now
in
place.
B
We
that
is
something
right
now,
we're
not
sure
that
that's
public
information,
so
that's
the
quickest
answer.
I
can
give
you
but
the
I
guess
I
understand
internally,
we
know
where
they
were
placed.
We
just
haven't
been
told
that
that's
a
piece
of
information
we
can
share
publicly
at
this
point.
So.
B
B
That
is
something
that
is
very
much
on
on
the
in
the
queue,
but
it
is
not
something
that
we
have
been
able
to
to
to
put
out
to
bid
at
this
point,
but
that
is
the
intent
is
to
get
that
out
yet
this
year.
So
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
had
certainly
not
in
any
way
forgotten
about
that
strategy.
But
given
everything,
that's
happened
over
the
last
couple
months.
That
one
is
just
in
cube
so
moving
on,
I
wanted
to
mention.
A
B
A
In
general,
okay
go
for
it!
Well,
what
I'd
like
to
know
isn't
bob
you
made
a
comment
about
the
presence
of
the
security.
Someone
else
made
a
comment
to
me
questioning
the
the
effectiveness
of
the
security,
so
I'd
like
to
understand
from
from
the
rest
of
the
group
and
in
particular
people
that
may
have
seen
more
of
what's
going
on
whether
we
think
it's
effective
or
not
whether
it's
been
making
a
change
or
not,
and
so
that
was
my
my
question.
If,
if
everyone
could
give
me
some
feedback.
D
I'd
be
glad
to,
since
I
have
all
these
new
cameras
that
I
just
installed
and
I
can
watch
them
live
from
my
cell
phone
as
well
as
recordings
for
the
next
year.
What
I've
noticed
is
there.
I
have
not
seen
the
police
ever
actually
stop
any
of
the
craziness,
that's
going
on
on
the
sidewalk
or
in
the
alley.
Behind
my
building.
D
There
are
events
every
night
most
of
it's
not
really
criminal,
but
a
lot
of
it's
kind
of
on
the
edge
of
it
and
they
do
drive
down
the
street
with
their
lights
on
and
things
like
that,
but
there
there
is
a
lot
of
what
I
would
call
gang-related
activity
every
every
every
every
night
out
there
right
now
and
it
was
quiet
the
last
couple
days.
Then
it
started
up
again
last
night
it
gets
really
wild
at
about
two
in
the
morning.
One
in
the
morning.
B
A
Yeah-
and
I
was
just
looking
at
for
some
feedback
so
that
I
can
understand
what
we
want
to
do,
if
you,
we
should
be
increasing
it.
If,
if
we
should
be
changing
those
hours,
I
can
tell
you
that
at
least
one
of
my
tenants
has
not
felt
that
it's
been
effective
and
even
in
one
instance,
has
felt
that
it
was
not.
It
was.
A
It
was
the
opposite
of
that,
where
they
felt
intimidated
and
some
of
their
clients
and
customers
were
very
intimidated
by
the
the
individual,
the
the
off-duty
person
who
came
in
there
and
just
their
their
interaction.
A
So
I
I
just
had
in
general
some
some
concerns
and
and
wanted
to
get
more
feedback
from
the
group
on
on
what
we
think
we
should
do
moving
forward.
So
that
was.
That
was
the
reason
for
that.
Okay,
also,
that
are
the
hours
that
we
have,
the
appropriate
hours
should
be.
Should
we
be
having
them
later
at
night.
F
Jeff,
I
can
share
with
you
in
the
context
of
the
lake
street
council
over
the
past
year.
I
think
I
would
say
it's
probably
50
50
business
owners
that
feel
that
a
police
presence
is
a
positive
thing
versus
they
feel
that
it
is
a
negative
thing.
I
had
not
realized
that
it
was
such
a
deep
issue,
but
it
is-
and
so
I
I
do
think-
that
there
are
probably
a
lot
of
business
owners
that
aren't
comforted
by
the
police
being
there.
F
I
don't
know
that
it's
effective
from
a
crime,
stopping
standpoint.
I
think
from
a
reality.
If,
if
there's
three
or
four
people
doing
something,
a
single
officer
is
not
going
to
engage,
that's
just
practical
and
I
think,
with
what
we're
seeing
over
the
last
week,
I
mean
even
with
a
huge
police
presence,
they
aren't
able
to
stop
what's
happening,
so
our
service
is
probably
more
to
make.
People
emotionally
feel
better,
like
from
a
visibility
standpoint
versus
actually
stopping
any
crime.
E
Can
you
hear
me
I'm
having
trouble
with
my
mute
button?
Now
we
can
okay,
I
guess
the
one
thing
is:
I've
noticed
yeah,
I
drive
through
uptown
four
or
five
times
a
day
and
I've
noticed
a
police
president.
They
they've
been
over
on
my
property
on
irving
and
lake
street.
They
sit
by
a
gate
and
I
think,
and
they
do
some
driving
around
the
area.
E
I
think
it's
made
a
little
bit
of
a
difference,
but
I
you
know
again.
I
think
that
changing
the
hours
to
the
hours,
where
the
checking
into
that,
I
think,
is
an
important
factor
to
have
it
in
the
middle
of
the
night
when
the
issues
are
there
and
see
if
that
adjustment
can
be
made
and
get
those
slots
filled.
So
you
know
it's
it's
hard
to
measure
you
know.
Obviously,
and
it
you
know
it's
one
of
those
type
of
things
where
I
think
spending
the
money
money.
E
That's
under
budget
right
now,
for
this
has
been
money
well
spent.
You
know
anything
we
can
do
to
help
our
tenants,
our
customers,
you
know
our
clients-
is
money
well
spent,
in
my
opinion,
and
not
everyone's
gonna,
always
agree
with
more
police
presence
or
less,
but
I
think
that
since
we're
setting
it
up
and
we're
trying
to
make
it
more
of
a
community
and
all
of
us
work
together
to
make
things
safer
by
more
cameras-
and
things
like
that
is-
is
something
that
is
a
good
step
forward.
In
my.
B
D
A
B
Well
again,
given
the
did's
budget
of
you
know
over
seven
million
dollars.
Obviously
the
resources
that
they're
able
to
bring
to
to
crime
and
livability
issues
is
significantly
more
than
your
budget.
At
least
at
this
point
would
allow
did,
does
do
their
own
buyback
to,
in
addition
to
their
did
ambassadors,
they
also
have
livability
teams
that
are
part
of
their
their
safety
budget.
So
these
are,
they
often
will
contract
with
nonprofit
service
providers.
B
You
know
whether
it's
homeless,
outreach
or
you
know
other
types
of
outreach
to
to
work
with
people
they
also,
as
of
this
year,
have
been
able
to
hire
a
hennepin
county,
social
worker
or
it's
an
additional
social
worker
focused
on
downtown.
So
are
there
things
that
downtown
is
doing
that
uptown
could
certainly
think
about.
I
would
say:
yes,
you
know
it
all.
It
always
comes
back
to
scale,
you
know
for
them.
A
hundred
thousand
or
150
thousand
dollar
initiative
is
yeah.
B
Let's
just
try
and
see
if
it
works,
I'm
speculating
you
know,
given
their
budget
versus
for
you
guys.
That
is
you
know.
That
would
be
a
pretty.
You
know
that
would
be
almost
almost
half
your
operating
budget
when
you
take
out
your
your
surplus,
so
that's
where
it
becomes
it
becomes
challenging.
B
While
we
would
say
yes,
we
can
see
what
downtown
is
doing
and
that
you
know
it
certainly
seems
to
be
helping
downtown
when
we
talk
to
districts
outside
of
downtown
the
the
the
scale
of
the
money,
just
sort
of
doesn't
align
real
well.
So
it's
really
challenging.
C
B
I
I
would
say
most
of
their
did
you
spend
so
I'm
speculating
here,
but
my
sense
is
they
spend
a
lot
of
money
during
the
day.
Their
ambassadors,
for
example,
are
done
at
11
p.m
in
normal,
and
they
actually
just
went
back
to
that
just
recently,
for
example,
so
they
do
have
their
fusion
center
operates,
till
bar
close,
but
really
the
it's.
B
My
sense
is-
and
I
I'm
happy
to
be
corrected-
is
that
that
late
night
hour
stuff
is
less,
did
and
more
mpd
the
the
livability,
the
social
worker,
those
kinds
of
things,
the
outreach
workers,
my
sense
is,
they
generally
are
out
during
the
business
day
into
the
evening
more
than
they
are
focused
on
that
10
p.m,
to
to
2
3
in
the
morning
slot
I
mean-
and
I
want
to
be
clear-
I
do
believe
they
do
some
services
and
some
of
those
things
in
those
late
night
hours.
I'm
just
saying.
B
A
One
thing
that
I
saw
that
was
effective
this
this
last
issue.
That
happened
was
when
they
brought
in,
and
I'm
not
good
with
my
name,
someone
may
know
better,
but
moms
and
dads
or
or
other
type
of
groups
that
really
was
able
to
their
presence
was
able
to
come
certain.
A
You
know,
I
think,
from
getting
even
a
little
bit
more
out
of
hand,
but
I
don't
know
what
ability
that
we
have
to
bring
in
some
of
those
groups
as
a
presence,
what
those
costs
are
and
save
the
the
officer
piece
of
this
for
more
later
in
the
evening,
and
it's
just
an
observation
in
a
suggestion
without
understanding
the
cost.
B
Yeah,
so
one
thing
I
we've
more
recently
learned
is
that
the
city
does
have
a
a
city-wide
outreach
services
contract
that
is
intended
to
provide
sort
of
some
of
those
livability
type
services
outside
of
downtown,
and
we
are,
we
have
been
you
know
some
of
the
homeless
outreach
and
bringing
resources
to
people
that
may
need
it.
That
are
that,
are
you
know,
homeless,
in
camping
on
the
sidewalk
that
kind
of
thing,
so
we
we've
actually
been
trying
to
connect
with
that
and
get
a
better
understanding
of
of
how
you
know.
B
B
That
and
you
know
so,
therefore
it
might
not
even
have
to
be
ssd
dollars.
I
guess
is
where
I'm
going
here
to
you
know,
spend
on
those
those
types
of
activities
we
we
certainly,
we
could
explore
and
I
would
differentiate
a
little
bit
between
ambassadors
and
the
the
social
services
outreach
work,
because
I
mean
they
are
like
ambassadors,
but
they're,
not
ambassadors
like
in
the
did
context.
Those
are
actual
trained
hospitality
ambassadors.
I
agree.
A
B
Yeah,
so
what
what's
the
consensus
of
the
group?
Do
you
wanna?
I
guess
one
question:
do
you
want
to
continue
mpd
in
its
current
program?
Do
you
want
to
see
if
we
can
explore
adjustments
and
you
know
what
what
might
those
other
is
there
a
desire
for
some
of
these
other
ideas?
We've
been
talking
about
thoughts.
A
I
personally
feel
that
we
should
spend
and
I
don't
see
people
raise
their
hands.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
happy
to
to
be
patient,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
perhaps
spend
our
money
and
maybe
more
of
our
money
on
focusing
the
off-duty
officers
in
evening
towards
the
evening,
and
I
really
think
that
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
engage
the
other
organizations
that
you're
talking
about
especially
the
homeless
piece
of
this.
A
If
it's
free
to
us
I
have
not
seen
and
and
bob
you
may
speak
to
that
or
nicholas
that
I
I
believe
that
our
homeless
or
panhandler
situation
has
has
gotten
less
in
the
heart
of
uptown
coming
into
uptown.
It's
not
it's
not
changed
at
all,
but
I
think
just
more
presence
like
that
out
on
the
streets,
especially
if
we
don't
have
to
pay
for
it.
I'm
100
in
in
favor
of,
and
would
like
our
group
to
to
prove
doing.
D
Bob
I
I
concur.
What
jeff
is
saying:
I'm
not
seeing
as
much
homelessness,
though
I've
had
some
people
in
camp
in
the
entry
way
of
my
store
at
night.
I
am
seeing
homeless
people
late
at
night
wandering
around
and
doing
the
thing
kind
of
things
they
do,
but
yeah
an
outreach
person
that
come
and
talk
to
some
of
these
people.
I
think.
D
C
B
Well,
just
on
that,
so
we
will
contact
the
the
city's
office
of
let's
protect
prevention,
which
is
where
that
contract
is
housed
and
explore.
What
that
looks
like
for
your
district,
specifically
to
the
to
the
mpd
coverage
the
we
could
explore
later
hours.
I
would
just
share
again
based
on
our
conversations
with
the
inspector
when
we
set
up
the
program
they
they.
They
really
didn't,
seem
to
think
that
made
a
lot
of
sense.
B
Given
everything
else
they
were
trying
to
do
at
night
doesn't
mean
we
can't
request
it.
I
just
want
to
restate
that
there
there
seem
to
be
benefit
of
sort
of
separating
out
the,
as
I
was
saying,
the
the
late
night
policing
operations
from
the
sort
of
regular
patrol
that
you
guys
are
paying,
for
that
is
part
of
the
buyback.
F
Getting
back
from
them
to
understand,
based
on
where
we're
at
right
now,
because
we
had
that
conversation
a
few
months
ago,
right
and-
and
things
have
changed
to
some
degree
can,
can
we
have
a
follow-up
to
say?
Does
it
still
make
sense
or
what
would
you
recommend
or
to
see
if
they
have
different
thoughts
based
on
current
circumstances,.
B
E
E
Think
between
nine
and
three
I
mean
that's
when
the
craziness
happens.
Why
not
have
that
ability
to
do
that
at
least
make
it
see
if
it's
available,
you
know.
B
Well,
we
will
definitely
go
back
and
work
with
the
inspector
and
report
back
out
to
you.
I
want
to
be
clear,
they
didn't
say
no,
we
couldn't
do
that
or
they
wouldn't
do
that.
I'm
just
sharing
some
insight
into
what
they
had
said
at
the
time.
The
other
piece
again,
jackie
to
your
point
of
things,
have
changed.
B
When
we
were
talking
about
this
in
december,
it
was
very
clearly
the
advisory
board's
desire
to
have
these
officers
out
during
the
day
during
you
know
the
normal.
You
know
traditional
business
hours
as
opposed
to
trying
to
solve
the
late
night
issues,
so
that
was
also
part
of
what
informed
the
original
decision
to
go
at
the
evening
hours
so
all
right.
Well,
we
will
work
with
the
inspector
and
bring
bring
that
message
back
to
the
group.
Anything
michael.
A
As
we're
as
we're
paying
for
these
off-duty
is,
can
we
get
some
feedback
from
them
as
to
what
they
think
is
working,
not
working.
B
Other
anything
else
the
group
would
like
to
discuss
on
the
safety
front
before
we
move
on
to
a
couple
other
things,
and
I
I'm
just
noting
the
time
we
are
at
about
1
48
and
we
do
want
to
end
at
1
30
and
we
still
want
to
get
through
the
rest
of
the
year.
2021
work
plan
and
talk
about
2022
and
a
2022
service
charge
methodology
possible
change.
So,
okay,
so
question
on
greening
the
district.
We
have
another
district
that
this
is
merely
an
idea.
B
We
have
previously
talked
about
doing
the
the
sidewalk
planters
that
are
on
the
sidewalk
itself,
I'm
going
to
share
a
picture
my
screen,
so
we
have
a
district
that
is
going
to
be
doing
hanging
baskets.
So
it's
lynn
lake,
so
I
don't
have
to
be
oblique
about.
It.
Is
this
that
we're
going
to
be
pursuing
that
this
this
year
for
that
district?
B
And
because
these
are
pole
mounted-
and
these
are
just
some
examples
of
stuff-
I
found
online-
but
it's
this
type
of
style
of
planter-
we're
gonna
go
with
it's
a
it's
a
it
kind
of
clamshells
around
a
light
pole,
as
opposed
to
sort
of
hanging
off
an
arm
like
you
might
have
seen
in
other
in
a
lot
of
other
commercial
districts.
There's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
we
like
this-
and
I
originally
found
this
for
downtown.
B
So
these
are
downtown
and
have
been
since
the
beginning,
the,
but
not
that
other
cities
haven't
discovered
them.
I
didn't
make
these
things
up,
I'm
not
taking
credit
for
that
by
the
way
the,
but
we
wanted
to
at
least
ask
the
question,
since
we
were
going
to
be
putting
out
a
bid
for
these
with
a
pretty
substantial
order
for
lynn
lake.
Is
this
something
either
in
addition
to
or
in
lieu
of
the
sidewalk
planters,
that
this
group
would
have
any
interest
in
pursuing
and
to
be
clear?
We
could.
B
The
idea
is
during
the
summer
they
would
have
flowers
in
them
and
in
the
winter
we
could
do
spruce
tips
in
them,
so
they
could
be
have
material
in
them
year
round
and
no
obligation.
We
wanted
to
ask
the.
D
I'll
go
with
that.
The
uptown
association
did
it
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
the
flowers
aren't
that
expensive,
but
the
maintenance,
because
they
need
to
be
watered
daily,
can
be
quite
significant.
D
B
That
is
true,
especially
when
we
have
heat
spells
like
we
are
currently
in
no
no
question
there.
So.
B
Not
seeing
yes,
no
indifferent
to
the
sidewalk.
B
I
will
say
one
of
the
reasons
we
thought
we
would
mention.
This
is
not
having
stuff
on
the
sidewalk
is
one
less
thing
to
interfere
with
snow
operations
and,
or
you
know,
other
types
of
things
that
are
happening
on
the
sidewalk,
so
not
a
reason
not
to
still
pursue
sidewalk
planters
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out.
B
Oh
yeah,
so
rough
numbers
year,
one
with
the
fixture
installing
watering
summer
winter.
Our
estimate
is
around
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
per
unit
year,
two
and
afterward.
We
wouldn't
have
the
fixture
cost
so
we're
probably
in
the
750
range
per
year
per
unit.
B
Those
costs
are
also
very
similar
to
a
sidewalk
planter.
I
mean
by
the
time
you
get
the
labor
out
to
put
the
water.
In
you
know,
the
plant
material
is
a
little
different.
You
can
some
you
put
typically
a
little
bit
more
plant
material
in
a
in
a
sidewalk
planter
versus
a
hanging
basket,
but
that
our
rule
of
thumb,
even
for
sidewalk
planters,
is
a
thousand
bucks
a
season
per
unit.
So
rough
numbers,
I'm
just
giving
you
a
rule
of
thumb,.
B
D
I'm
kind
of
thinking
about
it
because
you'd
need
one
close
to
every
other
property
or
so
so
that
would
be
an
additional
significant
amount
in
property
taxes
per
property
owner,
and
the
other
comment
I
have
is
so
much
uptown
is
boarded
up
right
now,
possibly
a
year
from
now
might
be
a
better
time
because
yeah,
you
know,
I
mean
it
could
make
it
prettier
this
year.
But
so
is
there
so
many
empty
storefronts
and
boarded
up
buildings.
B
Yeah
no,
I
appreciate
that
for
your
district
we'd
likely
be
looking
at
not
flowers
this
year,
because
honestly
flowers
are
in
very
short
supply
for
the
quantities
that
we
would
be
ordering.
I
don't
know
if
you
bought
anything
any
of
these
types
of
things
for
any
of
your
properties,
but
it
would
it
we're
we're
not
saying
you
have
to
do
this.
B
B
I
would
just
note
that
we
were
already
allocating
to
buy
50
of
the
sidewalk
planters
and
the
commitment
to
maintenance
on
those,
so
all
in
you
were
probably
going
to
be
looking
at
75
000
for
that,
so
so
either
way
I
mean
our
plan
was
to
proceed
with
that,
unless
we
had
different
guidance
from
the
group
to
go
with
the
hanging
baskets
or
if
the
group
wanted
to
do
both,
but
bob
to
your
point,
then
there
there
is
definitely
an
added
operational
capacity
or
you
know
piece
you're
putting
in
your
budget.
B
F
E
B
Jeff,
I
know
you
can't
see
the
picture
that
I've
got
on
here,
but
it's
they're,
beautiful
and
verdant
hanging
plant
planters
on
on
on
light
poles
in
in
commercial
districts.
So
jeff
did
you
have
any
thoughts
before
we
lose.
You
might
have
already
lost
jeff.
B
Jeff,
if
you're
talking,
I
can't
hear
you
so
switch
over
and
do
these.
I
concur.
Okay,
we'll
go
with
that
dan.
If
you
feel
differently,
maybe
you
had
to
take
a
call,
let
us
know
so
we'll
we'll
do
that
and
our
thinking
was,
if
you
said,
if,
if
you
like
the
idea
well,
you
have
165
low-level
polls
to
keep
this
financially
manageable.
B
Maybe
we
start
with
most
visible
50
locations,
so
that
would
be
just
under
a
third
of
your
polls,
so
we
could
do
it
at
more
than
just
corners,
but
you
know
we
probably
do
corners
and
then
strategic
mid-block
locations
and
and
put
a
program
like
that
together.
So
we
will
based
on
this
conversation,
we'll
pursue
that.
Does
that
mean
we
can't
at
some
point
pick
up
the
sidewalk
planter
conversation
again,
if
that's
something
the
group
wants
to
do
so,
let's
dan,
you
all
right
with
that.
C
B
Sorry
about
that,
okay,
no
worries;
okay,
all
right,
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
the
walk
your
wheels.
Our
intent
was
to
install
these.
Yet
this
summer
we
had
good
success
with
the
pilot
last
year,
so
we
were,
we
have
these
and
we
were
going
to
put
the
rest
of
these
out.
So
again,
this
is
just
some
messaging
to
encourage
people
to
not
bike
and
scooter
on
the
sidewalks
just
wanted
to.
B
Let
you
know
that
final
thing
before
we
move
on
to
222
so,
and
it
was
jeff
who
has
had
to
leave
us
here,
but
he
had
reached
out
to
us
and
asked
if
we,
if
the
group
could
consider
okaying
a
temporary
banner
program.
B
So
this
is
we'd.
Certainly
if
this
were
to
be
allowed,
we
would
want
board's
concurrence
the
design.
The
intent
certainly
was
that
this
would
be
revenue
neutral
to
the
district.
So
if
there
was
an
interest
in
allowing
groups
to
do
this,
that
group
would
pay
for
the
the
printing
costs,
the
installation
cost.
The
removal
costs
things
like
that,
but
we'd
have
to
partner
with
the
district
in
order
to
put
stuff
up
and
down
and
sort
of
how
this
could
work.
B
The
no
obligation
to
jeff
just
wanted
to
ask-
and
I
said
well,
let's
bring
it
up
at
the
board
meeting
so
and
these
that
to
be
clear,
we've
done
this
in
central
and
it's
worked
really
well.
These
are
inexpensive,
corrugated
plastic
banners
that
they
put
on
their
low-level
poles
and
we've
got
a
couple
different
ways:
you're,
seeing
one
approach
to
how
we
can
mount
them.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
The
uptown
art
fair
is
trying
to
get
organized
to
open
into
a
something
like.
Maybe
their
organization
might
maybe
wanting
to
do
something
like
that
to
make
people
aware
that
the
art
fair
isn't
closed
forever.
Like
so
many
other
events,
I
mean
I'm
really
supportive
of
it.
B
Agreed
right
all
right,
we'll
work
out
the
details
and
if
a
group
wants
to
come
to
us
we'll
just
kind
of
let
it
know,
let
people
know
that,
and
you
can
let
people
excuse
me.
No,
I'm
talking
too
much
today
that
that's
an
opportunity
all
right
with
that.
B
Yeah,
so
it's
less
than
a
hundred
dollars
per
banner
and-
and
I
say
that's
all
in
that's-
installed
removed
the
fabrication
is
honestly
very
expensive.
I
mean
the
unit
cost
on.
These
is
probably
less
than
25
for
a
double-sided
banner
and
then
do
we
do
one
proposal,
two
per
pole,
so
the
the
honestly,
the
the
labor
just
to
get
them
up
securely
and
take
them
down,
is
more
expensive
than
the
fabrication
cost,
but
that
would
all
be
part
of
it.
So
I
I
would
say
75
to
100
off
the
top.
B
All
right
moving
on
anything
else
on
2021.
Otherwise
our
plan
is
to
do
everything
we've
been
talking
about
2022.
Let
me
go
back
to
sharing
a
different
screen.
My
draft
budget
was
included
in
the.
B
There
we
go,
everybody
can
see
that
the
draft
22
budget
2022
budget-
so
this
I
will
note
just
for
draft
purposes-
is
a
flat
budget
from
a
service
charge
revenue
perspective,
meaning
it
stays
at
the
357
000..
I
will
note,
though,
that
your
actual
operating
budget
a
year
ago
was
457
000,
because
you
had
surplus
funds
that
you
apply
to
this
year.
So
this
is
this,
but
this
is
status
quo
from
a
revenue
service
charge
perspective.
B
That
is
where
we
are
starting
most
districts
this
year,
just
given
the
pandemic
and
the
economic
reality
of
what
everybody's
been
going
through,
and
it
seems
only
prudent
to
at
least
start
with
a
flat
revenue
budget,
and
you
can
see
the
allocations
here
so
thoughts
on
on
the
draft
budget
and
happy
to
go
through
any
specific
light
items.
The
snow
is
for
48
inches
of
accumulation,
which
is
the
twin
cities
average.
B
We
do
have
a
number
of
districts
that
are
budgeting
for
60
inches
of
snow,
but
because
you,
this
group
has
carried
surpluses,
it
has
seemed
prudent
to
keep
it
at
from
a
budgetary
perspective
at
48,
just
recognizing
that
you'll
likely
be
carrying
forward
some
surplus.
The
sidewalk
sweeping
this
all
matches
your
you
know,
sort
of
your
normal
summer
level
of
services
in
terms
of
pain
and
burrow,
emptying
trash
and
recycling
and
so
forth,
which
is
the
next
time
light
item.
B
B
We
could
rely
on
that.
You'll
have
surplus
from
this
year
to
cover
these
expenses
next
year,
but
that,
a
year
from
now,
when
we're
asking
you
for
a
recommendation
for
2023
that
that
would
be
the
time
that
we
would
look
at
building
in
what
that
actual
operating
cost.
For
the
for
the
enhanced
landscaping,
for
example,
would
be
so
you're
just
you're
carrying
so
much
money
forward.
B
Prior
to
this
year,
your
service
charge
level
was
457
thousand,
so
it
is
below,
if
you
will,
the
high
water
mark
just
in
terms
of
relative
terms,
not
that
there's
any
expectation
that
you
have
to
get
back
to
457
by
any
means,
but
just
want
to
let
you
know
you
have
in
recent
years,
had
higher
service
charges
and
then
this
does
still
have
the
placeholder
for
safety
and
security
same
thing.
B
If
the
police
services
continue
at
the
current
rate,
that
would
clearly
not
be
enough
and
and
or
any
private
security
ambassador
type
services,
if
that
is
you
know
when
that's
implemented.
So
again
we
can
d.
We
can
rely
on
that
surplus
for
now,
but
these
are
all
things
I
just
wanted
to
flag
like
hey,
michael,
why
are
you
coming
in
a
year
from
now
saying
you
know
giving
us
this
big
budget
increase
where
and
I'm
just
describing
what
would
happen?
B
Thoughts
on
the
draft
2022
budget
has
drafted
and
by
all
means
set
in
stone.
Nick
you've
had
your
hand
up.
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
for
this
or
the
prior
item.
B
Okay
and
you're
still
on
mute,
but
I
heard
you
I
saw
you
shake
your
head
bob.
D
Oh,
yes,
I
think
we
do
need
to
increase
the
sidewalks
sweeping
and
cleaning
for
this
year.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
ahead
of
us.
D
I
also
think
that
the
safety
and
security
services
we're
going
to
have
to
increase
this
for
next
year
and
then
possibly
we
got
enough
this
year
for
streetscape
and
landscape
maintenance
for
this
year,
but
maybe
we
might
have
to
increase
that
we're
just
historically
in
a
totally
different
experience
than
any
of
us
experience
in
our
lifetimes
going
on
right
now
in
the
last
year.
So
I
think
we
need
to
increase
the
budget
and
we
just
don't
have
a
choice.
I
believe
thank
you.
C
C
B
B
No
you,
you
are
not
capping
yourself.
What
you're
doing
is
setting
your
service
charge.
Revenue
amount
next
for
next
year.
How
much
money
are
we
going
to
charge
everybody
in
their
service
charges?
Presumably
you
know
I
mean
we
I'll,
I'm
not
always
able
to
say
this,
but
your
district.
You
will
end
this
year
with
a
budget.
I
mean
it's
just
it's
just
so
large.
Given
everything
we've
done,
we
won't.
We
won't
write
that
carry
forward.
B
E
Go
ahead,
that's
helpful.
I
guess
I
would
recommend
probably
doubling
the
security
budget,
because
you
know
we
really
need
to
nip
this.
The
best
we
possibly
can
and
also
an
option
is
talking
to
the
police,
about
how
many
more
cameras
to
give
us
full
coverage
that
they
need,
because,
obviously
we
don't
have
full
coverage
now.
12
is
wonderful,
but
you
know.
E
Is
there
an
option
to
add
more
to
give
us
a
little
bit
more
coverage
and
you
know
response
time
and
let
them
work
smarter,
as
opposed
to
harder,
because
they're
still
extremely
limited
on
their?
You
know
the
force
that
you
know
what
the
force
that
they're
using
you
know
the
people
that
are
out
the
street.
B
So,
nick
just
nicholas
sorry
the
so
one
option
is,
you
can
increase
this
and
just
know
that
you
have
more
money
or
a
year
from
now
you
can
apply
some
of
those
surplus
dollars
which
we
anticipate
to
increase,
that
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
safety
for
2022
upwards.
E
C
I
guess
my
thought
is:
I'm
absolutely
open
to
more
cameras
and
more
police
coverage,
but
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
we've
got
in
addition
to
this,
we'll
have
another
half
a
million
bucks
in
or
more
if
as
far
as
carryover-
and
so
I
would
you
know
to
me-
it's
well.
Let's
just
keep
the
the
assessment
amount,
that's
going
off
the
property
owners
as
low
as
we
can
for
now
and
then
use
that
money
as
necessary
next
year,
because
I
think
there's
plenty
of
it
to
double
or
triple
or
quadruple.
The
safety
number.
B
There
that's
correct
good
sorry,
I
I
just
I
I
would
say
I
don't
know
that
it's
going
to
be
a
half
million
between
the
buyback
and
and
the
planters
and
stuff
we
are
going
to
use
a
chunk
of
that
up,
but
it
it
likely
will
be
north
of
two
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
just
roughly
speaking,
that
you
will
likely
have
going
into
next
year
on
top
of
this
357
000.,
so
so
nicholas.
B
Just
to
you
could
the
group
next
spring
could
still
decide
to
increase
safety,
allocate
say
we
I'm
making
up
numbers
so
everybody's
clear,
say
we
end
the
year
with
250
000.
You
could
take
150
of
that
and
add
it
to
the
50
in
this
budget
and
have
200
000
to
spend
next
year
without
increasing
the
service
charges
to
property
owners
next
year,
for
example,
and
still
have
money
to
allocate
towards
the
hanging
baskets
and
other
things.
B
B
So
and
again
I
mean
we're
if
you
recommend
hey,
we
want
an
increase
on
the
service
charge,
we're
happy
to
do
that.
So
I'm
not
talking
you
out
of
that.
I
just
perspective
with
everything
that's
going
on.
It
seems
to
us,
given
how
much
money
you
have
in
that
you've
been
carrying
over
from
year
to
year,
stick
with
this
flat
service
charge,
knowing
that
we'll
be
able
to
amend
this
budget
in
the
spring.
Okay.
E
E
B
I
want
to
nuance
that
you're
not
increasing
the
budget
you're
allocating
your
existing
surplus
towards
these
items,
just
so
everyone's
clear,
so
your
budget
is,
as
is
put
in
the
well
here
I'll,
just
go
back
in
page.
B
Your
budget
right
now
for
this
year
is
956
000.
So
what
we're
talking
about
is
how
you
know,
adding
more
known,
expense
to
line
item
number
six
and
spending
less
in
some
of
these
other
categories.
If
need
be
again,
you
still
have
a
substantial
surplus,
so
even
with
everything
we're
talking
about,
you
still
would
have
75
000.
If
you
wish
to
to
allocate
towards
cameras
additional
cameras
for
this
year,
I
mean
you
just
have
that
much
surplus.
I
mean
at
some
point
we're
going
to
exhaust
that
surplus.
B
E
B
B
A
great
question:
one
way
we
could
do
this:
we
could
work
with
mpd
offline
and
have
that
conversation
to
identify.
If
there
are
gaps
they
they
feel
that
there
are
gaps
in
their
coverage
areas
and
you
could
say
not
to
exceed
75
000,
but
if
we
can
fill
those
gaps
with
eight
more
cameras
rather
than
another
12,
for
example-
maybe
maybe
that's
a
prudent
use
of
of
ssd
dollars.
We
could
how
do
folks
think
of
that
approach.
E
F
B
Very
good
consensus
on
it:
okay,
we
will.
We
will
effectuate
that
and
based
on
this
discussion.
Quite
honestly,
if
it's,
if
you're
comfortable,
if
it's
somewhat
over
that,
we'll
just
make
it
happen
just
so
there's
you
have
coverage
since
you.
This
is
clearly
something
you
that
there's
interest
in
and
unlike
everything
else,
we're
talking
about,
there's
no
financial
tale
to
this
right,
so
the
mpt
takes
care
of
the
maintenance.
It's
it's
one
time
dollars,
so
we
don't
have
to
think
about.
B
Oh
here
now
we're
adding
a
piece
to
our
annual
operating
costs
here.
So
all
right.
Coming
back
to
the
draft
2022
budget,
I
sensed
that
there
was,
if
I
read
the
the
screen
right,
I
can't
even
say
read
the
room
right
because
we're
not
in
a
room
anymore
right
so
soon.
Soon,
though,
our
next
meeting
almost
assured
they
will
be
in
person
and
we
actually
won't
be
able
to
meet
remotely
going
forward
once
the
pandemic,
the
mayor's
declaration
it
clicks
off
on
the
draft
2022
budget.
B
B
Further
discussion,
all
right
on
that
motion,
I
will
call
the
roll
mike
finn
is
absent.
Nicholas
hall,
yes,
jeff
herman
is
not
here.
Jackie
knight.
B
Yes,
you're
approving
the
budget.
Okay,
bob
sorensen,
yes
and
trouble.
C
B
And
nick
walton
is
absent,
so,
okay,
that
budget
recommendation
is
adopted.
The
final
item
we'd
like
to
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
on,
I
included
in
the
packet
a
a
draft,
revised
service
charge
methodology,
and
I
will
just
note
that
nicholas
you
just
joined
the
board,
but
I
think
we
have
talked
about
this
for
four
years
in
a
row
and
we
keep
saying
we're
going
to
put
it
on
an
agenda
and
talk
about
it
and
then
something
comes
up
and
we're
not
able
to
talk
about
it.
B
So,
though
we
have
15
minutes
before
we
want
to
adjourn,
I
we
were
hoping
that
the
group
would
at
least
consider
revising
your
methodology,
and
I
sent
out
the
the
information
in
advance
with
at
least
a
description
of
the
current
approach
and
a
in
a
draft
of
how
it
could
be
revised.
B
So
I'm
happy
to
go
through
the
current
methodology,
but
I
mean
the
idea
behind
this
is
to
to
really
try
to
streamline
and
modernize
are
the
two
words
I
can
best
describe
what
the
intent
behind
this
is
the
and
bob
as
our
our
resident
historian
here
in
the
district,
I'm
quickly
going
to
turn
to
you
if
there
are
any
historical
questions
but
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
the
current
methodology
dates
back
to,
if
not
the
beginning
of
the
district
in
the
mid
80s.
B
Almost
that
far,
and
as
long
as
I
have
been
involved
in
service
districts
in
minneapolis,
the
methodology
has
not
been
altered.
I'm
not
saying
it
hasn't
been,
I'm
just
saying
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
and
I
think
everyone
would
recognize
that
the
the
land
use
patterns
and
the
way
uptown
is
currently
developed
is
dramatically
different
than
it
was
in
the
80s
of
when
this
budget
was.
B
This
methodology
was
put
in
place
if
I'm
correct
and
that's
when
it
dates
back
to,
but
also
our
assumption
is
that
the
current
methodology
reflects
likely
what
line
items
at
the
time
reflected
as
they
were
reflected
in
the
budget.
So
30
of
80
these
clearly
were.
It
seems
clear
to
us
that
these
were
certain
line
items
in
the
budget
and
we
just
never
adjusted
them.
B
You
know-
and
this
was
back
when
the
district
had
a
budget
of
under
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
right,
so
they
have
never
been
sort
of
adjusted
for
as
the
budget
changed
and
and
bob
I
already
see
that
big
smile
on
your
face,
so
it
you,
you
were
probably
there
at
the
beginning,
and
I
say
that
with
respect
because
you've
been
such
an
institution
in
the
uptown
area
for
so
long,
but
so
our
professional
opinion
is
the
current
methodology.
While
it's
been
in
place,
really
is
not.
B
If
we
were
starting
a
new
district,
that
is
not
a
methodology.
We
would
clearly
recommend
and
that
the
proposed
methodology,
while
there's
lots
of
different
ways.
This
could
be
done.
There's
nothing
particularly.
You
know
that
the
proposed
methodology
really
is
in
keeping
with
the
what
we
presume.
The
original
intent
was
in
your
current
methodology,
while
taking
some
of
the
nuances
out
and
just
simplifying
it,
so
that
it
it
just
could
be
understandable
to
any
property
owner
or
business
owner
that
is
being
compelled
to
pay
it.
So
bob.
D
There
were
major
property
owners
whose
names
I
want
man
mentioned,
who
were
in
competition
in
some
ways,
and
this
is
what
got
pushed
through
at
that
at
that
time.
I
do
like
the
new
proposed
method.
D
My
only
question
on
that,
since
residential
is
not
taxable
under
this
formula,
a
lot
of
the
new
projects
right
now
are
mixed
juice,
where
there
is
some
business
or
retail
or
restaurant
on
the
ground
floor,
and
I
just
hope
that
is
included
where
at
least
that
2400
square
feet
or
whatever
their
100
000
foot
project
would
be,
they
would
be
contributing
to
the
to
the
tax
base
on
that.
Otherwise,
I
think
this
is
that's
pretty
much
all.
I
have
to
say
right
now,
but
I'm
very
happy.
B
Great
comment,
bob
and
only
residential
condominiums
are
not
are
exempt.
The
mixed-use
properties
of
which
there
are
many,
are
all
a
hundred
percent
chargeable,
so
the
entire
building,
so
the
investor
properties,
the
investment
properties,
are,
I
would
be
100
and
they
to
be
clear.
They
are
now
and
they
would
continue
to
be
so
they're
we're
not
proposing
a
change
there.
One
change
would
be.
There
are
some
commercially
zoned
but
residential
uses
on
west
lake
street.
B
If
you
go
further
to
the
west,
you
know
towards
the
lake
that
this
would
change.
They're
they're
they're
only
included
on
a
portion
of
your
service
charges.
So
what
we're
talking
about?
We
would
take
out
some
of
those
new,
and
it's
only
a
few
properties
to
be
clear,
and
that
would
be
would
have
that
change
where
we
would
be
just
charging
them
based
on
how
everybody
else
is
paying
whether
it's
frontage,
you
know
so-
and
you
can
see
what
I
proposed
here.
B
What
your
methodology
is
we're
again
just
taking
some
of
these
nuances
out,
but
the
so
I
mentioned
under
the
notes
that
the
chargeable
corner
properties
will
be
charged
at
the
same
manner
as
non-corner
properties
under
the
new
formula
and
so
embedded
in
that
is,
they
would
see
an
increase
even
with
a
flat
service
charge
revenue
the
same
with
that
the
chargeable
residential
only
properties
would
be
charged
in
the
same
manner
as
commercial
mix.
So
there
are
some
residential,
not
residential
condos,
but
residential
apartments.
B
Things
like
that
that
are
paying
a
portion
of
the
service
charges
that
they
would
just
be
treated
like
everybody
else
is
what
this
formula
would
do
and
part
of
that
is.
You
know
we're
treating
a
large
apartment,
building
the
same
as
a
small
apartment
building
effectively
from
from
an
equity
standpoint
as
the
rationale
behind
that.
So.
B
Yeah,
so
we
have
that
in
the
pr
in
the
district.
Now
we
have
that
circumstance,
it's
a
condo
building
residential
condos
above
commercial
condos
on
the
ground
level.
In
that
case,
only
the
commercial
condos
are
charged
so
again
in
keeping
with
this
both
of
the
current
and
existing
residential
condominium
properties
are
not
charged
now,
nor
would
be
in
the
future,
even
in
a
redevelopment
scenario.
B
B
We've
done
some
analysis
and
some
properties
it.
You
know,
I
would
say
most:
it
is
not
a
substantial
amount
of
money
like
I
I'm
don't
quote
me
on
this-
we're
we're
talking,
certainly
in
the
hundreds
low
hundreds,
if
not
even
less
than
that.
Quite
honestly,
some
it's
literally
less
than
a
hundred
dollar
difference
and
a
lot
of
it
just
depends
on.
Are
they
a
corner
property
now?
Are
they
treated
differently
as
they
as
the
current
methodology
proposal?
So
there's
just
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
kind
of
wash
out
of
this.
B
If
you
will
are
there,
there
clearly
are
properties
that
are
on
on
the
ends,
though
some
will.
You
know
greatly
benefit
by
this,
because
they're
they're
just
paying
differently
now
under
the
current
methodology,
and
they
would
because
others
are
paying
more,
they
would
pay
less
and
but
there's
there's
one
on
the
other
end
of
that,
too,
that
you
know
there
are
some
properties
that
would
pay.
You
know
a
healthy
chunk
more
and
I
want
to
be
clear.
B
We've
done
a
very
preliminary
analysis
without
running
out
sort
of
a
parcel-by-parcel
analysis.
So-
and
I
know
we've
talked
about
that
in
the
past-
and
we
really
it's
really
it's
a
best
practice
for
the
board
to
make
a
recommendation
based
on
the
conceptual
understanding
for
equity
purposes
than
it
is
to
say
what
are
the
impacts
on
me,
because
now
I
might
feel
differently
because
you
are
representing
all
the
property
owners
in
the
district,
not
just
your
own.
So
that's
why
we
don't
aren't
showing
you
a
matrix,
but
it
is.
B
F
B
That
really
is
a
very
good
time
to
do
this,
because
if
you
do
it
in
a
year
where
you're
increasing,
then
the
impact
is,
you
know
a
multiple
right
of
for
those
properties
that
are
on
one
end
or
the
other,
so
at
least
since
it's
revenue
neutral
to
the
district,
it's
not
never
revenue
neutral
to
some
individual
properties
to
be
clear.
B
F
C
B
And
we
lost
this,
unfortunately
nicholas.
Can
you
hear
me
we'd
like
to
take
a
vote
on
this?
Oh
man,
can
you
guys
just
hang
out
for
one
more
minute
if
we
get
nicholas
back
what's.
B
Okay,
so
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
quick
roll
call
on
that,
so
so
on
the
motion
to
adopt
the
proposed
methodology
commencing
with
page
2022
nicholas,
makes
the
motion
who
would
like
to
second
it.
B
Bob
seconded
this
one
we'll
give
it
to
bob
for
the
historical,
if
everybody's
okay
with
that
so
on
the
motion,
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
I'll
call
the
roll
bob
sorensen
aye
in
trouble,
hi
jackie
knight,
hi
and
nicholas
hall,.
E
B
And
I
will
note
that
jeff,
herman,
nick
walton
and
and
was
our
mike
finn
are
not
present,
but
that
motion
still
passes.
So
thank
you.
We
will
implement
that
for
next
year
and
one
final
thing:
we
have
a
request
from
the
property
owner
at
1623
west
lake
street,
which
is
one
of
those
zone,
but
commercial,
but
residential.
They
actually
want
to
opt
in
to
wrap
services
around
their
corner
onto
james
avenue.
B
So
we're
going
to
be
once
we
do
the
calculations
we'll
be
giving
them
an
estimate
and
because
it's
an
opt-in
situation
for
that
side
street,
but
we
we
believe
that
they
will
opt
in
and
they
have
approached
us
and
have
wanted
that
to
happen.
So
we
will
update
the
service
maps
accordingly,
assuming
that
all
goes
forward
and
that
would
all
go
into
effect
for
for
next
year
as
well,
there
being
no
further
business
if
there
isn't
any.
We
can
adjourn
all
right
with
that.