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C
Started
recording
hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
may
2
2021
programs
and
policy
subcommittee
of
the
minneapolis
pedestrian
advisory
committee.
C
A
C
Much
appreciated,
thank
you,
and
we
have
six
items
on
the
agenda
today
and
we're
starting
off
with
a
review
of
a
a
resolution
from
abgal
johnson's
bringing
regarding
20th
20-year
streets,
funding,
plan
and
abigail
over
to
you.
D
Thanks
so
this
agenda
item,
I'd
love
to
just
kind
of
share
and
matthew.
Obviously
you
can
fill
in
as
needed,
but
what's
attached
here-
and
I
don't
know
chris
or
whoever
wants
to
share
the
screen
of
the
the
bicycle
advisory
committee's
resolution,
but
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
is
basically
it's
an
ordinance
and
alyssa
did
I've
been
questioning
this
but
alyssa?
Finally,
like
really
got
to
the
bone
of
it
and
did
some
digging,
but
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
you
know
is
often
that
plan
where
it's
like.
D
Well,
we
have
to
do
this
level
of
street
repaving
projects
and
public
works
kind
of
blames
the
street
funding
plan
on
why
we
have
to
spend
money
on
that
instead
of
like
quick,
build
bike,
infrastructure
or
pedestrian
infrastructure
kind
of
in
a
way.
So
the
idea
is
that,
like
the
20-year
street
funding
ordinance,
the
ordinance
is
very
like
not
specific,
so
it's
actually
public
works
definition
of
the
ordinance
that
is
actually
problematic.
D
So
the
goal
the
bicycle
advisory
committee
passed,
I
believe,
already
passed
this
resolution
saying
that
they
would
like
for
public
works
to
reconsider
how
they
interpret
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
on
an
ordinance
so
that
it
can
actually
be
used
for
all
the
things
that
are
outlined
in
the
transportation
action
plan
as
important
and
like
utilize
that
money
in
in
different
ways
so
matthew
or
chris
of
you
anything
to
add.
Otherwise.
D
I
just
love
if
we
looked
at
this
or
if
anybody
had
any
questions
on
this
topic,
because
I
think
the
goal
here
is
to
kind
of
align
with
the
bicycle
advisory
committee
to
kind
of
get
some
funding
to
go.
The
direction
of
bikeped.
E
I'll
just
add
that,
from
my
perspective,
I
guess
the
staff,
the
there's
it's
complicated,
I'm
sure,
but
the
what
that
ordinance
actually
says
and
with
the
parameters
of
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan,
other
public
works
staff
will
describe
that
in
further
detail
when
they
come
back
at
some
point
in
the
future
to
talk
about
updating
the
plan.
So
I
guess
I
don't
have
much
more
nuance
or
details
to
that
right
now,
just
that
this
conversation
has
been
happening,
internal
to
public
works
and
they're.
E
F
Sorry,
I
I
would
just
go
one
step
further
beyond
acknowledging
that
it
will
be
needs
to
be
updated
in
that,
like
it's
an
upcoming
priority
like
it
like,
it
will
happen
soon
like
great.
I.
G
D
D
Sure
so
the
bicycle
advisory
committee,
one
says:
vac
asks
minneapolis
public
works
to
commit
to
amending
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
to
align
with
the
transportation
action
plan.
The
tap
calls
for
transformative
change
within
the
same
time
frame
as
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
and
should
directly
influence
all
plans
for
uses
of
transportation.
Funding.
Amending
the
plan
must
be
rapid.
A
rapid
and
strategic
priority
for
public
works
and
should
be
completed
before
the
council's
consideration
of
the
2022
budget.
D
The
minneapolis
bac
requests
that
public
works
come
to
our
committee
in
may
2021
to
present
in
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
as
it
exists
in
its
current
form.
The
minneapolis
bac
further
requests
that
we
and
other
key
stakeholders,
including
the
pac
and
the
advisory
committee
on
people
with
disabilities,
be
directly
and
significantly
involved
in
the
process
to
amend
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
so
obviously
we'd
edit
a
couple
of
things
in
there
just
for
for
our
committee
and
the
timeline
of
it.
H
Could
you
just
get,
do
you
have
a
little
more
back
story
as
to
what
what
amendment
must
occur
for
it
to
be
meaningful
meaningfully
consistent
with
the
tap
I
mean,
did,
did
you
guys
get
a
chance
to
talk
about
that
or
I
mean?
Is
it
a
big
amendment
or
I
mean,
did
you
get
a
sense
of
that
at
all.
E
Yeah
and
again
I'm
gonna,
I
will
to
the
best
of
my
ability
and
then
we'll
look
to
other
staff
to
to
give
proper
context
when
they
attend,
so
the
ordinance
is
fairly
short
and
that,
with
the
ordinance
came
more
money
for
capital
improvement
projects
and
the
the
step
following
the
passage
of
the
ordinance
several
years
ago,
I
think
2016
was
the
creation
of
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
which
set
out
criteria
both
in
terms
of
payment
condition
and
a
bunch
of
equity
metrics,
including
community
demographics
and
like
modal
uses
and
and
things
like
that
that
ended
up
or
that
that's
how
we
select
street
construction
projects,
and
a
lot
of
that
was
based
a
lot
of
that
funding
or
the
the
purpose
and
need
for
that.
E
Funding
was
to
a
long-term
goal
of
keeping
the
pavement
condition,
index
or
pci
at
a
reasonable
level
or
a
high
enough
level
that
doesn't
create
like
a
huge
fiscal
problem.
I
deferred
maintenance,
more
or
less.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
I
got
off
the
question,
but
that's
basically
what
what
the
20-year
stress
funding
plan
says
now
is
like
how
we
went
about
selecting
the
criteria
that
that
turns
into
the
projects
to
maybe
fill
in
some
gaps.
E
I
think
a
lot
of
where
this
is
coming
from
is
is
tied
to
the
themes
that
were
presented
in
the
report
to
tmpw
this
year
and
sort
of
a
value
or
a
judgment
conversation
about
where
we
should
be
putting
our
money
as
a
city
for
transportation
improvements.
E
A
lot
of
it,
I
guess,
does
go
to
street
reconstruction
right
now
in
the
pcbc,
I've
been
asking
for
a
different,
a
different
way
to
fund
projects,
and
maybe
maybe
this
is
where
I
can
ask
abigail
if
you
can
clarify
more,
if
that's,
if
that's
right,
but
instead
of
reconstructing
a
certain
number
of
streets
for
a
certain
number
of
dollars,
like
do
less
of
that
and
put
that
money
towards
transfer
transformational
change.
D
D
That's
why
I
change
like
quick,
builds
because
again
moving
cars
off
the
streets
will
also
reduce
the
wear
and
tear
on
the
street
and
then
also
christopher.
I
would
just
say
remember
that
the
goal
of
this
is
also
to
ask
that
that
public
works
comes
and
presents
on
this
topic,
which
is
why
that's
the
third
paragraph
so
a
lot
of
these
questions.
D
H
Yeah,
that
sounds
good.
Do
you
I'm
just
I'm
just
kind
of
missing
the
thread.
A
little
bit
is
it
who
has
to
amend
it
or
can
public
works?
Just
read
it
differently,
I
mean,
can
they
just
take
action?
Could
they
take
action
tomorrow,
or
does
it
have
to
go
through
any
sort
of
official
amendment
by
council
or
anything
or
is
it
just
how
they
interpret
it
in
policy
and
use
it
in
public
works
as
it
I
mean.
That
would
be
really
straightforward
and
there's
no
reason.
D
F
Chris,
I
mean
yeah,
so
I'll
jump
in
I
I
mean,
theoretically,
you
could
do
both
so
so,
like
I
think,
like
I
either
way
you
like,
you
could
change
the
ordinance
if
you
all
thought
that
the
ordinance
was
the
the
wrong
thing
and
like
the
thing
that
was
stopping
us
from
doing
it
like
you
could
ask
us
to
change
that,
and
we
could
try
to
do
that.
F
F
Add
take
away,
redistribute
points,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
I
I
think
at
the
very
least
like
public
works,
is
taking
a
look
at
what
it
will
do
within
the
existing
ordinance
and
then
like
that.
Other
piece
is
something
that
I
I
guess
I
can't
I
don't.
I
don't
know.
I
don't
know
where
public
works
staff
stand
on
on
that,
but
that
that's
just
kind
of
a
separate
piece.
H
E
And
then,
finally,
there
may
be
some
fairly
important
differences
in
how
the
vac
and
pc
are
thinking
about
an
update
to
the
20
years
funding
plan
and
perhaps
what
what
may
be
in
the
works
from
public
works,
and
that's
why
it.
You
know
you're
both
asking
for
poker
to
come
talk
to
you
about
that.
I
think
that
will
be
important.
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
think
you
know
the
desire
to
update.
It
is
probably
coming
from
very
different
places.
E
Well,
I
I
don't,
I
don't
actually
mean
for
it
to
be
to
be
alarming.
What
I
mean
is,
I
mean
he's
like
he's
like
a
lot
has
changed
over
the
the
life
of
the
existing
20-year
streets.
Funding
plan
like
a
lot
of
policies,
have
been
passed,
and
things
like
that,
so
it's
almost
like
it
it.
It
makes
sense
to
update
it
yeah.
I
don't
I
mean,
maybe
it's
okay,
that
it's
alarming,
but
I
didn't
like
in
my
mind.
I
wasn't
sharing
an
alarming
thing.
K
Do
we
know
how
I
mean?
I,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
have
them
come,
so
we
can
get
more
information
from
them
directly
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
might
amend
it.
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
how,
when
how
fast
that
could
happen,
because
it
says
in
here
that
it
must
be,
it
has
to
be
completed
before
the
council's
consideration
of
the
2022
budget,
which
I
am
assuming
happens
by
the
end
of
the
year,
is.
E
G
E
J
Fairly
alarming,
given,
given
the
time
frame
that
we
have
for
mode
share
shift
if
we
were
actually
in
line
with
with
our
climate.
Well
global
climate
goals,.
G
F
Julia
that
that
timeline
from
what
I
understand
isn't
because,
like
we
aren't
going
to
do
it
until
next
year,
it's
because
even
if
we
start
it
right
now,
I
don't
think
that
we
would
finish
that
work
and
be
able
to
put
the
amount
of
work.
That's
needed
to
do
that
like
by
by
the
end
of
the
budget
cycle
or
whatever
it
says.
Yeah,
like
the
click
process,
has.
E
H
I
would
like
to
move
that
we
conform
a
pack
motion
to
the
existing
bac
motion
and
and
send
it
out
as
soon
as
we
can
and
encourage
public
works
to
come
to
us.
I
guess
it
would
be
in
june
of
2021
if
that
at
all,
if
we
could
start
the
conversation.
H
So
I
move
that
we,
the
pack,
adopts
a
motion
consistent
with
the
bac
motion
with
the
edit,
since
we're
already
in
may
2021
that
will
request
that
public
works
come
to
our
june
2021
meeting.
E
And
christopher,
I
appreciate
that.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
a
formal,
you
know
a
formal
vote
and
things
like
that,
but
I
guess
between
this
subcommittee
and
the
full
we
could
just
so.
Somebody
could
take
this
and
tweak
it
based
on
what
you
just
said.
D
D
Already
took
the
content
and
I'm
tweaking
it,
I'm
also
removing
this
should
be
completed
before
this
council's
consideration
of
the
2022
budget,
kathy
you're,
saying
that
that's
a
useless
phrase,
but
I
am
just
keeping
the
first
half
of
that
sentence.
Amending
the
plan
must
be
a
rapid
and
strategic
priority
for
public
works.
E
You
can
ask
for
whatever
you
prefer
I've
gotten
feedback
that
there
isn't
like
they.
You
know
asking
for
a
specific
date
is
not
what
my
co-workers
would
like,
but
they
plan
on
coming
soon
on
this
topic,.
B
J
D
I
think
the
goal
is
just
to
mention
them
as
stakeholders.
I
don't
know
if
alyssa's
reached
out
to
them.
You
might
want
to
just
ask
alyssa
about
that.
J
I
would
okay,
I
I
mean
they're,
not
one
of
the
public
works
commissions,
so
I
might
remove
that,
although
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
public
works
group
that
might
be
similar
but
more
focused.
J
Well,
it's
like
they're,
not
their
role
is
different
than
our
role
on
the
pack,
and
I
think
that
at
least
in
the
past
they're
they
aren't
seeing
the
same
projects
and
and
they're,
not
necessarily,
I
feel
like
they
might
not
be
the
best
way
of
getting
a
sense
of
what
the
needs
of
people
within
different
disability
communities
would
be.
So
if
the
intent
is
to
capture
that,
I
would
be
more
explicit
about
that.
Rather.
D
This
okay,
I
will
be
sending
to
everybody
attending
this
meeting.
Pac
members,
the
resolution
draft
with
all
the.
C
Edits,
terrific
abigail,
thank
you
and
anything
more
on
that
subject
or
we're
gonna,
if
not
we're
gonna
move
on,
but
thanks
and
the
next
item,
which
is
a
discussion
about
orientation
for
new
members
and
to
julia
curran.
J
Hi,
so
this
one
is
just
our
standard,
welcoming
people
and
trying
to
figure
out
if
we're
going
to
do
buddies
for
people
what
we
might
do,
if
we're
I'm
assuming
we'll
still
be
doing,
video.
B
D
C
One
of
the
items
we
talked
about
was
a
an
affirmative
reaching
out
from
us
current
members
to
two
new
two
new
members,
and
if
that's
something
we
could
do-
and
I
would
certainly
take
one
or
two
to
do
between
now
and
and
the
next
pnp,
we
can
use
that
to
inform
some
of
our
new
member
discussion
and
talk
about
new
orientation
and
that,
since
that
was
part
of
our
the
part
of
what
we
plan
to
do,
let's
incorporate
that.
C
If
you
can
get
those,
if
we
can
get
that
done,
then
we
would
know
whether
we
want
to
do
it
again.
I
would
feel
like
we
would,
but
that
was
I
just
had
that
on
the
list
of
of
our
of
our
new
new
member
orientation
items
to
do
other
than
that.
I'm
not
sure
I
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
add
a
thing
being
built
will
help.
E
H
I
agree,
I
think
I
think
we
I
think
it
worked
well,
the
last
three
or
I
don't
think
we
need
substantial
change.
C
K
C
L
Okay
thanks:
I
have
a
kind
of
a
signed
question
here.
The
has
there
have
been
any
talk
about
when
we
can
start
meeting
in
person
again
or
is
that
off
a
few
months
yet.
L
F
L
F
G
J
Do
we
do
we
want
to
think
about?
You
know
peter,
and
I
met
up
and
walked
a
little.
I
think
twice
since
pandemic
started,
just
which
has
been
great
to
touch
base
as
co-chairs.
Is
that
something
we
want
to
consider
just
reaching
out
to
each
other
or
doing
something
while
the
weather
is
where
you
still
sit
outside
and
being
able
to
connect
that
way?
D
I
know
last
summer
we
planned
one
in
september,
you
know
outside
of
meeting
times
obviously,
and
it
ended
up
just
being
me
and
julia
and
matthew,
which
was
super
fun,
but
now
you
know
things
are
kind
of
different.
So
so
I
be
julia,
we
could
plan
another,
maybe
a
walk
in
like
august
or
something
or
maybe
september
like
the
way.
We
do
a
yearly
walk
and
see
if
that
and
see.
If
that
people
want
to
do
that.
J
That
sounds
great.
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
have
that
ability
to
connect
with
people,
and
especially
even
if
we
do
have
the
ability
to
be
in
person
sometime
in
the
fall
or
winter.
I
would
imagine
that
not
everyone
wants
to
be
in
unventilated
spaces
again
right
away
so
doing
what
we
can.
While
we
have
all
the
lovely
outdoor
ventilation
for
conversation,
seems
right.
C
C
Any
other
thoughts
or
input
from
from
people
on
the
new
members
remember
orientation.
Welcome.
C
Terrific
yeah-
I
couldn't
put
that
yeah
that'll,
be
important
to
do
tomorrow
with
that
we've
got
our
next
agenda
item
up,
which
is
a
discussion
about
moving.
The
engineering
committee
subcommittee
meeting
dates
is
that
right,
chris.
F
Yeah,
so
this
is
more
just
like
a
testing
the
waters,
see
if
there's
interest.
Frankly,
I
don't
even
know
that
we
need
to
so
here.
Here's
the
premise
for
this
is
that
the
bac
is
moving
their
meeting
up
a
week
so
typically
on
in
most
months,
the
bac
has
their
engineering
meeting
on
tuesday
and
then
the
pac
has
theirs
on
thursday,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
a
nice
convenience
for
staff
that
come
to
present.
It
just
helps
with
scheduling
when
they
have
to
coordinate
a
lot
of
different
engagement
events.
F
The
reason
the
bac
is
moving.
It
is
because
there's
a
really
short
window
between
the
engineering
meeting
and
then
needing
to
get
all
the
agenda
materials
out
for
the
full.
So
all
the
minutes
and
like
all
that
stuff,
has
to
happen
in
like
two
days
or
something
like
kind
of
ridiculous,
so
they
they
have
like
a
technical
reason
for
it
or
like
a
logistical
reason.
I
guess
for
it
that
makes
sense
for
them
because
they're
moving
it.
I
just
wanted
to
like
float
it
out
and
ultimately,
barb
and
aaron.
F
Obviously,
right
now
are
the
chairs
so,
like.
I
think
we
can
chat
further
about
like
what
you
think,
as
chairs
of
the
committee,
mostly
just
floating
this
out,
to
see
what
folks
think
if
there
are
like
major
red
flags
or
if
people
don't
really
care,
and
it
would
still
work
for
them
on
the
thursday
before
or
so
yeah.
F
F
So
I
hope
this
doesn't
come
off
as
like
me
trying
to
pressure
one
way
or
the
other
at
first,
when
I
heard
the
bac
was
moving,
I
was
kind
of
like
oh
that
that
could
become
a
little
bit
of
a
a
pressure
on
staff,
but
frankly
I
I
think
they
just
show
up
whenever
we
send
the
calendar
invites
for
the
month
where
they
need
to
bring
it
and.
E
K
Well,
for
the
you
know,
who
knows
how
long
I'll
be
on
it,
but
that
right
now,
thursday,
that
thursday
works
just
fine
for
me
and
but
you
know,
I
think
it's
more
important
like
for
aaron
if
he
were
or
whoever
has
other
obligations
like
I'm
not
working.
So
I
can
adjust
my
schedule,
but
I
know
aaron's
working,
so
I
don't
know
what
his
as
kids
that
family
schedule
might
be
different
for
him
so
and
we
may
not
be
it
after
july.
So
that's
my
input
for
right
now.
F
Yeah,
the
the
other
thing
is
like
it
might
not
make
sense
to
change
it
right
now,
because
the
first
month
that
we
would
change
it
for
would
be
july
and
then
we'd
have
new
folks
and-
and
like
I
don't
know,
I
when
I
first
heard
about
this,
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
a
bigger
thing
and
then
like,
as
I
thought
about
it
more
and
more.
I
I
almost
even
just
took
it
off
the
agenda
for
today,
so
that's
kind
of
why
it's
this
sort
of
thing.
So
I
I
guess.
F
C
It
sounded
like
it
went
on
the
agenda
with
at
the
time
it
did
there
was.
It
was
more
uncertain
about
what
staff's
response
would
be
or
whether,
whether
whether
staff
would
want
to
change
it,
and
I
would
just
might
just
as
a
I
any
attendee-
I
would
defer
defer
to
them
one
month,
one
day
of
the
week,
just
personally
speaking,
one
day
of
the
month
is
as
good
as
the
other.
You
know
4
30
to
4
36.
C
B
C
All
right
thanks
chris
next
up,
we
added
an
item
called
future
cip
planning
the
agenda.
C
This,
the
specific
of
it
of
this
agenda
item,
came
from
adding
an
item
we
added
to
our
pnp,
a
list
that
stemmed
from
a
a
a,
I
would
say,
arrested
discussion,
but
a
a
and
a
a
a
closed
discussion
on
a
from
a
general
meeting
when
cip
came
to
present
and
mike
spoke
of
a
rainy
day
fund,
and
we
we
started
to
explore
what
that
meant
in
in
a
general
meeting
and
we
we
ran
out
of
time
and
agreed
to
put
it
or
just
suggested
we
put
it
on
on
pnp.
C
So
that's
that's
the
specific
of
this
agenda
item.
The
more
context
for
that.
I
think
in
in
in
julia's,
discussion
of
it
of
the
rainy
day
fund
was
said
within
the
context
of.
J
C
Judging
our
overall
effectiveness
and
recurring
conversations
about
that
in
terms
of
like
how
do
we
measure,
how
do
we
measure
our
pack
effectiveness
project
over
project
year
over
year?
You
know
what
are
we
doing,
that
doesn't
doesn't
work
and
what
you
know.
What
and
you
know
indeed,
what
do
we
ask
like?
C
What
are
we
asking
for
consistently
that
are
constantly
have
not
refused
is,
is
the
is
at
least
the
first
to
go
in
a
high
pressure
project,
say
at
31st
and
hennepin,
or
something
something
like
that,
and
julia
had
more
to
say
about
that.
J
Okay,
so
so
the
idea
behind
that
piece
was
at
least
as
I
understood.
We
were
suggesting
that
that
more
than
a
rainy
day
fund
would
that
city
really
start
understanding
that
crises
like
the
pandemic,
like
the
uprising,
are
increasing
and
they're
increasing.
Maybe
we
don't
know
what
the
next.
The
next
kind
of
thing
that
we'll
face
will
be
the
next
major
impact
of
climate
breakdown
of
say,
history
of
a
city
built
on
white
supremacy
like
what
that,
how
that
impacts,
how
we
get
around
will
be,
and
while.
A
J
And
and
dealing
with
activated
buttons
and
trying
to
provide
more
space
for
people
to
be
outside
and
keep
distance.
The
the
response
to
george
floyd
square.
D
J
Shown
not
the
same
flexible,
creative
thinking
and
it's
there's
certainly
been
funding
issues
with
both
of
those,
and
so,
as
I
understood
at
least
my
intention,
in
whatever
role
I
had
in
it,
was
that
we
would
be
requesting
that
the
city
be
funding
and
thinking
about
the
way
that
our
world
is
destabilizing.
What
what
things
we
don't
expect
we
might
expect.
How
do
we
plan
for
for
kind
of
the
unplannable,
except
for
we
do
have
a
fairly
decent
idea
of
some
of?
J
What's
you
know,
coming
towards
the
storm
severity
population
movements
etc,
so
that,
but
what
we
heard
from
from
from
the
city
was
that
that
didn't
come
through.
It
came
through
more
as
a
rainy
day
fund,
and
it
raises
the
question
of
what
are
we
when
we
are
communicating
with
public
works?
What
are
they
hearing
us
communicate?
Are
we
able
to
get
those
ideas
across
when
we're
not
getting
projects
into
the
cip?
Maybe
it's
not
even
the
project
that
we
thought
we
were
proposing.
C
It's
like
the
meeting
was
yesterday
yeah.
That's
it.
C
Thank
you
and
having
added
this,
I'm
not
sure
what
to
do
next
with
it.
You
know:
we've
had
a
we've,
had
discussions
offline
about
measurement
effectiveness
that
involved
more
than
just
julian
joy
and
me,
so
I'm
interested
in
people's
ideas
here
on
assessment
like
their
own
beliefs
of
their
of
the
of
pac-effect
miss
as
a
committee,
not
necessarily
personally,
but
as
a
as
committee
as
we've
been
able
to
affect
projects
and.
C
Pedestrian
policies,
street
policies
of
the
city-
and
we
have
time
to
talk
about
that,
a
little
bit
if
you've
scott
named
dad.
H
But
I
really
think
that
we
could
magnify
some
effectiveness
by
getting
involved
earlier,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
often
we
hear
that
it's
out
of
scope,
that's
out
of
scope,
that
kind
of
thing
and
the
scope
is
all
determined
by
the
money
and
the
money
and
the
projects
are
determined
by
staff
before
pac
even
gets
an
idea
that
something's
percolating
often
times-
and
I
don't
know
what
to
do
about
that.
H
H
I
would,
I
would
say
it's
90
percent,
because
the
scope
is
absolutely
determined
by
the
money
and
we
have
and
where
you're
gonna,
how
much
you're
gonna
get
and
how
much
you're
gonna
pitch
for
and
all
that
kind
of
thing
that
I
I
would
I'm
just
increasingly
thinking
that
zero
and
30
percent
are
really
90
and
95,
but-
and
that's
only
vaguely
related
to
this.
But
it
all
goes
back
to
effectiveness
up
front
and
then
checking
to
see
if
we
have
any
effect
afterwards,
which
is,
I
think,
more,
the
focus
of
this
conversation.
J
J
And
to
me,
that's
very
well
within
the
realm
of
what
we've
discussed
and
that's
come
up
before,
like
when
the
federal
funding
locks
in
a
certain
number
of
fire
lines
or
a
certain
volume
of
traffic.
If
we're
you
know
fighting
over
scraps,
there's
what
what
you're
saying
that
there's
ways
that
we
can
be
part
of
the
discussion
earlier
in
reimagining
this
in
actual
transformational
states
matthew,
do
you
have
or
chris
anything
to
any
insight
on
that
or
how
we
could
get
that
make
that
happen.
E
I
I
think
it
is
a
really
good
question
that
christopher
is
raising
what
what
I,
what
I
would
say
is
you
know
I
heard
christopher
say
something
like
the
scope
is
determined
by
the
money,
and
I
don't
know
that.
That's
necessarily
true,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
I
don't
know.
If
I
have
a
proper
answer,
I
think
maybe
maybe
the
better
way
to
say
it
is
we
should
try
to
a
good
question
is
when
the
when
is
the
scope
and
budget
set
for
capital
projects?
E
F
Yeah,
I
guess
my
mind
goes
to
like
breaking
it
out
by
funding
source,
because
I
I
do
think
that
they
are
each
distinct
and
that
gets
to
a
lot
of
what
you're
saying
christopher
and
I
I
also
agree
with
matthew.
I
think
it's
a
good
question
to
bring
up
so
like
for
federal
projects.
For
example
like
there's
the
regional
solicitation,
which
you
put
it
we
put
in
applications
for
like
three
or
five
years
out-
or
I
don't
know,
do
you
know
matthew
something
like
that
and
so
like.
F
In
that
case,
those
are
that's
probably
where
your
most
accurate
christopher
in
that,
like
the
scope
and
budget
are
still
somewhat
loose,
but
like
most
generally
set
years
in
advance
and
there's
leeway
within
what
you
can
do
and
like
we
can
increase
the
city
match
and
like
change,
that
dollar
amount
potentially.
F
But
but
we
don't
always
do
that
so
so
that
that's
one
piece
is
like
that's
how
that
aspect
is
handled
and
then
there's
also
like
reconstruction
projects,
which
is
the
cip
which
we
do
engage
directly
on
what
those
projects
are
going
to
be
and
like
I,
I
think
I
I
would
argue
that
those
aren't
at
like
90
or
95,
because
we
we
really
have
a
clean
slate
like
we.
F
We
set
the
we
set
the
scope
in
terms
of
like
what
street
to
what
street
are
we
going
to
touch,
but
everything
gets
ripped
up
and
theoretically
we
could
do
anything
with
it
on
those,
and
so
there
is
the
opportunity
within
engagement
to
handle
that
stuff,
and
then
there's
programs,
which
is
also
in
the
cip,
but
when
those
projects
are
chosen
is
not
in
the
cip.
So
that's
also
kind
of
like
a
different
piece
of
things
of
like
how
do
we
use
a
million
dollars
in
a
given
year
and
like
when?
Is
that
choice?
F
So
those
are
the
kind
of
different
levels
of
funding.
I
guess
sources.
They
kind
of
each
have
a
little
bit
of
a
unique
characteristic
in
regards
to
kind
of
what
you
were
saying.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
yeah.
It
is
more
nuanced
than
I
was
that
I
was
stating
and
I
I
appreciate
the
you're
breaking
it
out.
That
way.
E
E
J
To
get
conversations
going
around
that-
and
we
were
aware
of
it-
I
mean
it's
been
on
my
radar
for
probably
six
years,
almost
the
entirety
of
my
time
on
the
pack.
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
blank
slate,
but
it's
a
blank
slate
that
maybe
I
mean
it
doesn't
seem
like
something
that
we're
able
to
figure
out
how
to
influence
that.
It's
actually
functionally
that
it
seems
like
the
the
car
lanes
are
already
painted
on.
E
J
E
I
appreciate
the
points
that
are
being
made.
I
just
like
what
I
want
to
avoid
is
like.
If,
if
project
managers
come
and
say
we're
at
zero
percent
and
people
started
saying
well,
no
you're
you're,
really
at
like
90
like
that.
That
could
just
might
be
confusing.
So
I
just
I'm
going
to
leave
that
there
sorry.
J
I
think
related
to
that,
since
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
the
details
that
really
matter
on
a
best
stream
level,
like
the
exact
placement
of
different
things
and
there's
there's
been
a
fair
number
of
times
that
we've
been
told
well
that
gets
taken
care
of
later
on
in
the
process.
J
So,
if
maybe
expanding
conceptually
from
what
christopher
was
saying,
the
points
of
the
process
that
we
see
are
not
necessarily
the
points
that
it
makes
where
our
feedback
might
be
the
most
helpful,
which
might
be
the
macro
and
then
the
microscale
like
a
lot
of
what
we
are
saying
could
be.
We
could
have
a
robot
that
would
say
the
same
thing
narrow
those
lanes
remove
some
lames
like
we're,
saying
the
same
things
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
not
sure
if
it's
having
impact
and
the
stuff
where
we
really
could
make
an
impact.
J
C
If
there's
a
way
to
move,
there's
a
way
to
move
the
an
action
item,
a
task
to
assess
our
effectiveness,
allowing
for
that
there
are
different
types
of
projects
that
are
scoped
that
have
some
scope.
Restrictions
thanks
to
federal,
federal
guidelines
or,
but
also,
I
think,
on
the
other
end
of
things,
is
what
projects
in
in
minneapolis,
even
that
are
defined
as
full
reconstruction
or
or
even
not.
Well,
we're
not
talk
where
we're
not
working
with
messing
with
curbs
or
anything,
there's
still
items
that
we
consistently.
C
We
can
identify
that.
We
consistently
suggest
that
consistently,
if
not
universally,
are
left
off
at
the
end,
and
why
why
that
is
that?
If
we
should
bother
asking
for
them
anymore
or
that's
a
you
know,
that's
it
and
that's
that
might
be
more
more
of
an
impression
or
feeling
than
anything
else
I
would
like
to.
I
would
like
to
measure
that.
J
C
If
there's
a
way
of
getting
to
a
just
identifying
specific
projects
that
are.
C
C
Say
identifying,
I
guess,
maybe
take
full
reconstructions
of
100
city
streets.
You
know
that
are
not
that
are
minimally
touched
by
county
or
or
state,
and
look
at
and
look
at.
C
F
C
Higher
level
like
a
if
some
sort
of
maybe
a
call
it
a
research
project
or
something
that
would
be
done,
it
would
be
done
external
to
the
you
know
outside
presented
at
the
meetings.
But
you
know
researched
incest
outside.
J
That
sounds
pretty
great.
I
feel
like
there
was
abigail
and
alyssa's
presentation
was
maybe
kind
of
getting
towards
that.
Looking
at
specific
projects
and
sort
of
breaking
down
the
distance
from
where
we
say
we
want
to
be
and
where
we
are,
but
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
peter
is
maybe
that
we
would.
J
We
would
go
out
after
take
a
resolution
that
we
passed
around
a
specific
street
go
out
afterwards
really
assess
whether
or
not
what
we're
seeing
looks
like
what
our
resolutions
were,
especially
for
a
project
where
we
might
have
seen
it
and
have
you
know
the
minutes.
The.
J
J
C
Thank
you
for
the
specifics
say,
take
a
project
we
can.
We
have
general
consensus
that
didn't
need
to
go
so
great
or
feel
like
they
didn't
go
so
great
hennepin
avenue
downtown,
for
instance,
or
something
like
that
and
then
baby.
You
know,
and
then
it's
also
the
same
time
takes
up
take
projects
where
we
a
project
where
we
really.
C
We
are
feel
happier
with
the
result
and
and
maybe
maybe
present
on.
C
H
My
thoughts
were
just
that
it
probably
wouldn't
be
the
best
use
of
time
if
we
agreed
with
the
project,
because
everyone
was
in
agreement,
but
if
we
could
go
back
two
or
three
years
and
find
a
more
contentious
motion
that
reflected
some
disagreement
with
whatever
plan
was
proposed
and
then
go
out,
you
know
two
years
later
and
see
what
the
built
form
was
and
to
see
how
it's
working
and
to
see
if
any
of
the
concerns
that
were
codified
in
emotion,
did
come
to
fruition
and
did
change
things.
H
I
think
a
couple
of
those
could
be
very
illustrative,
but
just
yeah,
and
I
was
just
trying
to
think
of
like
logistically.
How
do
you
do
that?
I
think
you
start
with
sort
of
a
contentious
motion
from
two
or
three
years
ago.
H
I
would,
I
would
say:
yes,
it's
an
audit
of
our
efforts
and
we
can
have
a
small
sample
just
by
nature
that
we
can't
review
every
project.
But
I
just
think
it's
an
audit
for
our
own
use
and
what.
H
Well,
I
think
it's
a
couple
fold
one
to
see
if,
when
we
and
again
the
sample
is
going
to
skew
it
one
or
the
other,
but
to
see
if
our
our
voices
are
effective,
if
there
is
something
that
was
presented,
that
we
just
disagree
with,
as
reflected
in
a
motion
to
see
if
we
were
able
to
have
any
change
occur,
I
think
that's
just
to
check
in
on
ourselves
and
if
and
then
from
that
decide
if
what
could
have
been
done
differently,
if
none
of
the
things
were
acknowledged
or
or
changed,
what
could
we
do
differently
or
if
they
were?
H
What
do
we
think
we?
What
do
we
think
was
persuasive?
I
just
I
mean
really
we're
talking
about
just
auditing
how
effective
we
are.
I
think,
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
it's
for
public
works
to
say.
Well,
you
know
we
raised
these
concerns
three
years
ago,
but
you
didn't
incorporate
any
of
them.
That's
they
well.
G
J
I
would
agree,
I
would
add
one
other
thing
that
might
come
up
is
finding
out
if
there's
things
that
were
did
make
it
into
the
final
plan,
but
didn't
necessarily
get
built
as
designed,
for
example,
I've
seen
sidewalk
with
narrowed,
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
know
if,
when
they're
in
the
like
south
of
31st
on
hennepin,
the
city
didn't
want
to
deal
with
the
right-of-way
way,
the
legal
stuff
and
it's
that
was
something
we
never
got
a
report
back
on.
J
F
F
Really
quickly
on
that
like
when,
when
you
say,
plans
that
means
a
different
thing
again
in
the
engineering
world
than
it
does
like
when,
when
you
see
like
a
30
design
concept
and
stuff,
so
it
may
it,
it
may
match
the
100
plans.
There
are
cases
where
things
get
built
wrong
so
like
that.
That
is
one
thing,
but
like
likely,
what
you're
talking
about?
F
J
J
Out
and
it's
like
four
like
to
get
a
sense
of
oh
well,
we
just
you
know,
took
a
foot
from
every
mode
we
took
you
know
what
what
is
going
on.
How
do
we
get
there
and
knowing
that
that
isn't
necessarily
something
that
we
see,
but
there's
there
must
be
guidance
or
maybe
there's
not
maybe
there
could
be
or
how
to
deal
with
unexpected
problems
without
penalizing
like,
while
following
complete
streets
in
those
solutions.
H
And
I
think
it
would
be
a
nice
opportunity,
we
can
combine
our
a
walk
with
a
field
trip
to
go
out
and
look
at
a
project
that
was
presented
two
years
ago.
F
F
So
yeah
you
can
either
you
could
totally
do
that.
If
you
want
to
set
it
up
and
have
seven
people,
then
you
can
talk
about
whatever
you
want
and
look
at
a
project
and
stuff.
But
if
it's
beyond
that,
we
we
just
we
could.
We
could
still
walk
anywhere.
We
want
in
the
city,
but
just
got
to
be
careful
about
what
type
of
things
we're
talking
about
out
there.
The
bac
just
also
brought
this
up
as
they're
planning
like
their
group
bike
ride,
so
there's
definitely
ways
to
get
around
it,
but.
C
And
this
needn't
be
the
the
first.
This
first
step
need
be.
I
wanted
to
be
part
of
a
overall,
you
know
my
feeling
is
to
be
up.
We
have
no
real.
This
would
be
a
way
to
have
a
begin,
a
conversation
and
have
a
continuing
thought
about
how
we
measure
our
effectiveness.
This
may
not
be
the
way
to
to
do
it,
but
it's
a
way
to
get
us
thinking
about
from
meeting
to
meeting
about
thinking
about,
just
in
general,
how
effective,
how
effective
we
are.
One
project
isn't
gonna,
make
or
break
our
morale.
C
I
hope
if
we
go
out
to
some,
if
we
reviewing
something
we're
not
real
keen
on
the
result
of,
but
it
makes
for
us
other
ideas
of
more
discussion
about
how
we,
how
we
measure
effectiveness
rather
than
going.
You
know-
and
you
know
well,
while
we
go
month
to
month,
though
somebody
thinks
that
just
just
go
right,
past
us
and
month
after
month
after
month,
I'd
like
to
I
feel
like
it
could
be.
If
there's
a
way
to
measure
our
effectiveness
strategically,
we'd
be
better
we'd,
be
better
for
it.
E
J
I
think
there's
two
pieces
and
one
would
absolutely
be
served
by
that
the
other
might
require
us
going
out
on
the
ground,
because
I
think
it's
also
important
for
us
to
like
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
go
out
to
different
places.
Is
that
it's
not
just
theoretical,
but
to
say
how
does
this
space
feel
like.
J
Where
they're
talking
about
150
trucks
a
day
well,
does
it
feel
you
know
what
is
what
is
the
make
of
the
space
as
well
as
the
whips?
I
I
don't
have
a
long
answer,
though,.
E
Sure
and
that-
and
that
makes
sense
too
like
and
that's
why
I'm
curious
like
what
the
what
the
primary
goals
are.
You
know
going
to
hennepin
avenue
south
of
lake
you'll
know
if
you
feel
comfortable
or
or
if
you
know
like
a
raised
protected
bike
lane
would
have
felt
better
or
something
like
that.
You
know.
L
Idea,
because
you
know
I,
you
know
it's
tough-
for
staff
to
keep
track
of
all
this
stuff.
But
you
know
every
resolution
we
pass
on
a
project,
you
know
a
capital
project
and
if
we
had
a
comment
that
you
know,
the
city
proposed
11
foot
lanes
and
we
wanted
10-foot
lanes
it'd
be
nice
to
hear
back
what
the
city
council
approved.
If
we
could
just
get
a
short
report
on
all
those
resolutions
that
go
through
the
council
because
we
lose
the
track
of
them
after
they're
have
gone
past
us.
J
Yeah,
that
seems
like
it
could
be
great
if
we
could
figure
out
how
we
could
be
just
getting
that
regularly
and
sharing
it.
I
J
E
I
agree,
I
think,
maybe
like
starting
with
one
or
two
examples
and
looking
at
it
and
seeing
what
that
is.
But
and
what
I
mean
is
I,
as
staff,
I
don't
think
we
can
commit
to
having
like
just
a
regular.
You
know
excel
spreadsheet,
that
we
just
constantly
track
and
update,
but
if
people
want
to
look
at
a
couple,
things
that'd
be
very
simple.
I
guess
for
chris
and
I
to.
I
E
C
F
Well
moving
forward,
it
is,
but
the
historical
ones
are
not
because
we
didn't
transfer
them
over.
So
if
you
all
came
up
with
a
list
like
matthew,
was
saying
like
a
specific
list
of
like
a
number
of
resolutions
from
the
last
few
years
like
like,
we
can
pull
those
because
we
have
those
offline
moving
forward.
You
all
can
do
it
any
of
this
tracking.
By
looking
at
the
resolutions
on
on
limbs
every
time
like
that,
that's
all
public.
F
K
B
Okay,
I'm
I
probably
have
everything
in
my
files.
C
Okay,
then
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
step
then
and
I'll.
I'm
I'm
going
to
sign
my
self
to
present
to
the
rest
of
the
packet
subcommittee
of
the
some
suggested
resolutions
to
to
start
from,
let's
say,
let's
say
three
from
the
last
one
one
a
year
from
the
last
three
years.
B
C
C
Okay,
thanks
all
for
this
discussion
on
that
and
and
and
and
really
helping
me
with
the
thoughts
that
I
s
that
I
started
with
and
if,
if
we're
through
with,
if
we've
finished
with
that
item,
we
we
have
another,
we
have
us
the
next
time
the
subcommittee
quorum
rules,
a
discussion
on
that
with
the
from
chris
chris.
E
Take
it
matthew
I'll,
give
it
a
start
and
then
look
for
help
from
chris
nelson
and
providing
the
rest
of
the
context.
And
then
this
is
basically
a
heads
up,
slash
discussion
item.
We
we've
we've
gotten
some
extra.
Oh,
I
think
I
did
did
I
bring
it
up
with
this
group
already.
E
Me
if
I
didn't,
I
can't
I'm
kind
of
getting
lost
between
the
bsu
and
this
one,
but
we
had
a
conversation
with
the
clerk's
office
and
the
long
story
short.
They
would
like
us
to
actually
identify
a
roster
like
a
membership
roster
for
each
subcommittee.
E
That
is
a
subset
of
the
full
committee,
so
I'm
gonna
pause
there
for
a
second
and
clarify
right
now,
both
of
the
subcommittees
and
the
full
committee
all
have
the
full
membership,
the
15-member
appointed
membership
with
a
quorum
of
eight
and
and
we
we
follow
that
quorum
for
the
full
committee.
We
always
always
historically
just
said,
like
you
know,
show
up
to
one
one
or
the
other
subcommittees.
You
don't
have
to
tell
anybody.
You
don't
have
to
commit.
E
Just
you
know
do
that
and
we
and
whoever
shows
up
that's
the
meeting
in
their
mind
in
the
clerk's
office.
You
know,
I
think
frustratingly
for
for
many
they've
been
as
as
the
remote
meetings
have
been.
E
I
guess
start
started
up
and
becoming
more
normative
anyway.
They
they
want
all
the
committees
to
run
the
same,
and
so
in
their
mind,
subcommittees
should
have
a
subset
of
members.
Kind
of
like
tmpw
has
six,
so
the
transportation
public
works
committee
of
city
council
has
six
members
that
are
subset
of
the
13
city
council
members,
and
then
they
have
their
own
forum.
E
They
would
like
us
to
do
that.
They're
asking
us
to
do
that,
so
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
the
timeline
is
or
when
we'll
do
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there
there.
There
are
some
complications
like
what
is
the
right
number
well.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
find
out
what
you
all
think
about
that,
but
some
of
the
complications
are,
it
does
make
it
more
formal.
E
So
if,
if
we
identify
eight
of
the
15
pac
members
to
a
committee,
like
specifically
eight
five
of
those
eight
have
to
show
up
to
the
meeting
or
you
can't
have
the
meeting
at
all-
and
so
maybe
that's
okay,
maybe
not,
but
you
know,
do
we
pick
eight?
Do
we
pick
four?
So
I'm
gonna
pause
there?
F
Background
nice,
sorry,
one
other
thing
that
we've
spoken
about
is
just
like
how
we
communicate
this
and.
F
Inevitably,
we'll
we'll
just
need
to
have
more
communication
so
that
we're
we
will
be
running
a
higher
risk
of
having
to
cancel
subcommittee
meetings.
Like
that's
just
a
fact.
We
we've
never
had
to
do
that
based
on
membership
before
and
so.
By
doing
this,
we
put
ourselves
in
a
position
where,
if
we
don't
have
quorum,
we
we
can't
have
the
meeting
period
and
we
have
to
send
everybody
home,
including
the
presenters
as
well
as
members,
and
so
since
we
will
have
to
do
this.
F
The
folks
who
do
sign
up
most
likely
we
would
want
to
have
some
sort
of
like
confirmation
process
for
each
meeting
like
email
a
day
before,
yes
I'll
be
able
to
be
there.
No,
I
won't,
and
if
we
have
a
problem
with
quorum,
maybe
we
cancel
in
advance
just
to
kind
of
help
be
able
to
communicate
more
clearly
so
there's
probably
loads
of
other
logistical
things
to
figure
out,
but
that
that
was
just
one
aspect
no
said.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
else.
A
E
Before
it,
you
know-
and
there
there's
also
an
aspect
of
maybe
it's
just
fine,
because
we
do
have
a
fairly-
we
do
have
a
core
group
that
we
know
tends
to
be
at
each
one.
So
maybe
it
won't
be
a
problem
10
out
of
12
times
or
something
like
that,
but
if
it
is
a
problem
2
out
of
12
like
that
kind
of
sucks,
you
know
that's
like
so
I.
E
F
J
D
K
J
Okay,
because
I
mean
I
almost
I
don't
really-
it
seems
more
to
make
more
sense
that
we
go
historically
and
have
in
line
what
we're
thinking
so
that
I
don't
want
people
to
feel
pressured
because
they
feel
guilty
for
not
showing
up
and
now
they're
going
to
commit
to
something
that
they
haven't
done
in
the
past,
when
this
is
how
it
functions
like
anybody
can
still
show
up.
Perhaps.
G
F
Okay
and
christopher
you're,
right
that
we
we
did
in
the
past,
but
we
we
did
that
systematically
in
the
past.
We
would
always
vote
just
as
a
thing
at
subcommittees,
but
the
reality
is
like
we
didn't
ever
need
to
do
that
and
so
part
of
it
was
a
time
saving
measure,
but
part
of
it
was
also
kind
of
cutting
out
something
that
we
we
didn't
need
to
do
when
we
moved
online.
F
H
Well,
I
think
it
and
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
that's
an
advantage
just
because
I
wouldn't
want,
and
I
think
it
should
be
five
people
by
the
way,
for
the
reason
that
you
I
articulated
chris,
it's
better
than
four,
because
we
could
have
two
no
shows.
So
it
should
be
five,
but
I
would
feel
bad
if
you
know
something
was
interesting
and
eight
people
came
and
if
there
was
ever
be
a
vote
I
don't
want
people
to
be
excluded.
So
I
think
it
is
a
good
policy
not
to
vote
on
the
subcommittees.
H
But
if
this
change
is
going
to
go
into
effect-
and
it
sounds
it
will
so,
I
think
just
five
people
and
I
think,
yeah
just
throw
it
open
at
the
next
pac
meeting,
get
some
names
down
there,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
same
sort
of
mix
of
eight
people
or
something
that
always
show
up.
F
Yeah,
I
I
will
just
throw
out
so
for
the
for
the
bac
we
were
talking
about
this,
also
or
just
internally.
We
were
talking
about
this
and
it
gets
to
be
like
sort
of
a
math
problem.
That's
probably
out
of
my
league,
but
I
the
the
suggestion
came
up
of
like
let's
look
at
the
last
six
months
or
like
year,
we
had.
We
have
it
in
the
notes
of
like
who's
shown
up
to
these
and
just
and
see
what
that
number
is
because
there's
a
chance
that
so
like.
F
If
you
bump
it
up
to
seven,
then
you
only
need
four,
which
is
one
more
than
three
but
like
three
people
can
miss
on
any
given
month,
whereas
with
five,
only
two
people
can
miss
on
any
given
month.
So
like
that,
like
it
give,
it
gives
you
like
a
different
benefit
that
may
be
harmful
depending
on
our
patterns
or
it
may
be
beneficial.
So
I
do
think
we
should
just
look
back
at
our
attendance
and
see
because
there's
a
chance
that.
J
F
B
This
isn't
some
vacation
thing.
You
can
just
fluff
off
this,
but
they
have
a
damn
well
be
at
the
meetings
and,
of
course,
that's
their
job.
I've
got
another
job
being
at
lunch.
I
I
take
time
off
for
these
damn
these
meetings
and
then
and
they're
garbage
online,
but
I'm
willing
to
do
them
anyway.
But
the
fact
is
what
is
funny.
I
mean
it's
typically,
the
the
clerk
mind.
Everything's
got
to
be
exactly
the
same
for
your
convenience.
No,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
for
your
convenience.
B
B
Sorry
to
say
the
mayor's
in
the
city
council
is
paid
all
14
of
you
are
paid.
I
think
this
is
totally
ridiculous,
as
is
the
clerk,
and
I
would
love
to
tell
him
the
clerk
to
his
face.
What
I
think
of
it,
because
I've
met
him
he's
a
goofball,
but
I
can
understand
why
it's
really
easy
for
them
to
make
these
stupid
changes,
but
it's
jackass
it
really
it's
stupid
because
also
with
zoom
meetings.
B
E
E
B
J
D
Drag
our
feet,
I
would
just
suggest
that
maybe
we
email
in
to
either
matthew
or
chris
or
millicent-
and
we
say
I
don't
mind-
being
a
member
on
this
subcommittee
because
I
will
try
to
attend
and
then
you
can
take
that
email
list
and
share
it
at
the
full
committee.
And
then
we
can
decide
on
it
as
a
committee,
because
people
have
indicated
interest
does
that
work.
E
D
Okay,
so
give
me
an
explanation
email
with
a
respond
to
this.
If
you'd
like
to
be
on
the
list
for
the
committee,
we
will
decide
actually
like
we
can
even
say
we'll
vote
under
whatever
we
want
to
do
at
the
june
full
meeting
or
at
the
july
full
meeting
or
whenever
our
timeline
needs
to
be
okay,
because
then.
F
Just
one
one
last
quick
piece
is
quorum
has
to
be
established
to
start
the
meeting,
so
also
we
should
just
make
make
that
a
part
of
like
whatever
email
and
communications
that
we
send
out,
because
if,
if
we
don't
have
core
until
4
40,
then
we
lose
10
minutes
and
so,
like
part
of
agreeing
to
be,
there
is
agreeing
to
be
on
time.
Also.
D
C
Arrest
this
discussion,
because
we
do
have
a
final
item
to
get
to
and
everyone's
okay
with
that,
I
will
hand
it
off
to
abigail
for
the
complete
streets
policy,
update
and.
D
Thanks
sure,
so
the
complete
streets
working
group,
which
is
jim
welsh
from
our
from
the
pac
and
alyssa
from
the
bac,
have
been
working
entirely
because
they're
going
through
and
editing
the
complete
streets
policy.
All
of
this
was
attached
in
the
agenda
and,
as
you
can
see,
I
think
alyssa
and
jim
also
like
we
work
to
have
a
letter
written
to
the
complete
street
policy
team
of
public
works.
To
just
say,
like
we
disagree
with
all
of
these
changes
and
we
think
it's
like
problematic,
because
it's
extremely
problematic.
D
Basically,
what
they're
saying
is
that
that
priorities
will
stay
the
same,
except
for
where
things
are
needed,
basically
prioritizing
everything
so
prioritizing
nothing.
So
the
policy
kind
of
becomes
really
watered
down
and
the
biggest
issue
is,
I
think
the
goal
was,
and
I'm
just
verifying
with
alyssa
that
we
need
to
pass
a
resolution,
basically
saying
that
we
don't
want
any
of
these
changes,
and
I
think
our
goal
is
to
pass
one
in
june.
Matthew.
Is
that
the
correct
timeline.
E
I
would
like
to
add
a
couple
a
little
context
and
then
answer
that
question.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
robust
discussion
at
the
complete
series
workshop
in
line
with
what
abigail
just
said.
I
I
just
want
to
say
like
in
my
in
my
observation,
katie
and
and
other
staff
heard
that
feedback
and
are
going
to.
I
have
some
notes
here,
but
are
planning
on
changing
their.
E
I
guess
the
timeline
a
little
bit
and
and
taking
some
time
to
like
absorb
the
feedback
that
was
given
because
it
was
fairly
robust
and
and
that
to
have
another
work
or
another
worker
meeting
that
they
weren't
planning,
to
which
I
think
is
really
good
news
and
then
come
back
to
the
pack
sub
pack
and
back
subcommittee
with
an
update
on
the
the
update.
E
So
in
a
sense
I
think
it
was
a
fantastic
example
of
advising
and
advocacy,
and
I
I'll
say
I
think
katie
white
did
a
great
job
of
hearing
that
and
listening
and
and
again
we'll
see
what
the
final
product
looks
like.
But
from
a
process
perspective
they
totally
listened.
She
totally
got
that
got
that
vibe,
and
so
I
think
that's
important
and
let's
see,
if
there's
anything
else
in
there,
so
yeah.
J
E
I
don't
think
it's
urgent
to
pass
a
resolution
at
this
time,
but
it's
I'm
glad
that
you
have
what
other
people
saw,
meaning
the
the
redline
version,
and
I
think
we
should
talk
about
it
when
we
have
more
time,
maybe
at
the
full
committee.
Just
what
what
some
of
the
the
changes
that
abigail
brought
brought
up
were
and
like
why
they
may
be
bad
from
your
perspective
or.
B
E
Ideal,
whatever
word
you
want,
so
that's
my
summary
is,
I
think
it's
pretty
good
from
that
perspective,.
D
Okay,
so
then
I
guess
we
can
hold
on
a
resolution
until
they
present
to
us.
Are
they
going
to
present
to
us
a
draft
so
that
we
have
time
to
pass
a
resolution
before
they
bring
it
in
front
of
council
like
you're,
saying
that
they'll
have
a
work
group
committee,
then
they'll
re-present
to
our
subcommittee.
E
D
G
G
C
Yeah
yeah
sure
any
announcements.
I
want
to
thank
matthew,
gardol
for
being
on
top
of
the
raised
hands
over
a
little
invisible
to
me
today.
So
thank
you
for
that.