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From YouTube: February 16, 2021 Police Conduct Oversight Commission
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B
Good
evening
my
name
is
cynthia
jackson.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
police,
conduct
oversight,
commission
and
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
for
february
16th
to
order.
I
want
to
welcome
everyone
joining
us
this
weekend.
I'll
note
that
we
have
remote
participation
by
members
and
staff
as
authorized
by
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
public
health
emergency
at
this
time,
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
to
verify
our
quorum
casey.
D
E
B
B
Okay,
let
the
record
reflect
that
we
do
have
a
quorum
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
recognize
heidi
richie
policy
director
to
mayor
jacob
fry
and
jared
jeffries
mayor
fry's
policy
aid
for
public
safety.
I
believe
miss
ritchie
would
like
to
formally
introduce
us
to
mr
jeffries,
who
will
be
the
primary
point
of
contact
from
the
mayor's
office
with
our
commission.
So
ms
ritchie.
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
am
so
grateful
to
be
here
right
now
and
I
am
really
happy
to
introduce
jared
jeffries
he's
our
new
public
safety
aide
in
the
mayor's
office,
and
you
know
I've
been
coming
to
these
meetings
for
the
last
couple
of
cycles
and
I'm
just
so
overjoyed
to
have
him
here.
H
Yeah
hi
everyone,
it's
really
great
to
be
here.
As
heidi
said,
my
name
is
jared
jeffries
and
I
actually
am
a
transplant
here
from
st
louis
missouri,
originally
and
prior
to
this
role,
I
worked
as
a
judicial
law
clerk
at
the
missouri
court
of
appeals.
So
that's
where
my
legal
background
comes
from
and
before
that
I
graduated
from
the
st
louis
university
school
of
law
and
university
of
missouri
school
of
journalism
and
political
science.
So
I,
as
heidi
mentioned,
I
have
worked
in
the
legislative
branch
of
government.
H
Before
too
I
worked
for
the
I
interned
for
the
st
louis
board
of
aldermen
and
st
louis
as
well.
So
if
there's
ever
anything
that
I
can
do
for
any
of
you,
please
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
introduction
and
welcome
mr
jeffries.
I
think
we
all
are
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
coming
months.
Next,
I
would
like
to
recognize
city
clerk
casey
carl,
for
an
introduction
of
our
new
clerk
lisa
brock.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
lisa.
If
you'll
activate
your
camera
just
so
you
can
introduce
yourself
in
this
virtual
environment,
I
I
am
very
pleased
to
introduce
lisa
brock,
who
is
the
clerk
being
assigned
to
the
police
conduct
oversight
commission
from
the
city
clerk's
office?
You
all
remember
that
we
took
over
the
meeting
management
functions
for
pcoc
this
year.
A
Lisa
joined
our
office
just
in
january.
So
not
only
is
the
clerk's
office
new
to
the
pcoc,
but
lisa
is
new
to
our
office
and
the
pcoc,
but
she
joined
us
after
serving
11
years
as
a
policy
aide
in
council
ward
office,
one
with
council
member
reich.
So
you
know
she
is
used
to
be
doing
all
of
the
things
that
those
council
offices
doing,
which
is
essentially
running
a
small
business.
She's
highly
organized,
has
a
great
network
knows
the
city
structure
knows
the
key
contacts.
A
Obviously
has
good
contacts
on
city
council
and
is
familiar
with
the
structure
of
city
government
she's,
very
organized
highly
detail.
Oriented
will
be
a
great
resource,
very
capable
resource
to
this
group,
so
I'm
thrilled
to
be
able
to
introduce
her
to
you
and
you
to
her
and
sort
of
pass.
The
baton
on
I'll
still
be
helping
her,
but
lisa
will
be
the
primary
point
of
contact
going
forward
for
all
of
the
meeting
management
and
support
functions
for
the
commission.
A
So
I
wanted
you
to
have
a
chance
to
formally
meet
her
she'll,
be
conducting
tonight's
meeting
and
going
forward
working
with
chair
jackson
in
terms
of
getting
those
agendas
put
out
for
you.
Thank
you.
C
Just
thank
you
for
that
introduction
and
I
I
feel
it's
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
work
with
you
all
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
this
upcoming
year.
Thank
you.
B
Well,
thank
you.
That
was
a
great
introduction
and
we
are
so
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
miss
brock.
We're
really
especially
grateful
to
have
you
as
a
part
of
the
team,
as
we
restart
this
commission
and
get
things
especially
our
new
members
and
new
staff
and
partners
all
focused
on
shared
priorities,
so
I
think
you're
going
to
be
particularly
valuable
to
us
as
we
go
forward.
Thank
you
again.
B
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments.
I
will
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
We
are
going
to
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
10
minutes,
with
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker.
B
A
Madam
chair,
it's
casey
as
as
this
open
piece
starts,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
my
role
in
this.
When
we
created
tonight's
agenda
it
was
with
the
idea
that
this
was
simply
an
orientation
of
members.
I
take
full
responsibility
for
that,
so
we
did
a
public
comment
section
which
is
under
the
bylaws
a
regular
part
of
your
meetings.
So
members
who
are
on
the
phone
they
are
muted.
A
Now,
if
they
are
here
to
speak,
we
would
need
them
to
press
star
six
in
order
to
unmute
their
their
microphones,
and
then
please
introduce
yourself
so
that
we
can
record
who's
making
that
comment
so
again,
my
apologies
for
that
mix
up
in
the
air
and
and
then
proceed
now
with
the
public
comment
period.
I
B
J
Hello,
this
is
dave
picking
if
I
may,
because
I
saw
there
wasn't
public
comment
on
the
agenda.
I
did
not
prepare
anything.
I
J
I
did
at
that
time
am
I
on
here.
Yes,.
J
Yeah,
okay,
I
did
at
that
time
offer
the
services
of
communities
united
against
police
brutality
to
do
an
orientation
or
any
part
of
an
orientation
or
any
information
that
we
could
provide,
particularly
to
the
new
commissioners.
So
I'm
sorry
to
say
that
that
offer
was
not
taken
up.
It
never
has
been
in
the
past,
and
I
hope
that
maybe
that
that
officer
still
stands.
You
know
that
we
would
be
happy
to
do
that
and
to
provide
a
perspective
that
comes
from.
J
B
Yes,
thank
you.
We
appreciate
that
any
other
comments
this
evening
for
the
commission.
E
E
B
B
B
B
Okay,
maybe
not
60
seconds
okay.
Well,
if
there
are
no
other
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
comment.
I
am
going
to
go
on
and
and
move
forward
on
our
agenda,
and
I
want
to
thank
dave
and
chuck
for
their
comments
tonight.
We
always
appreciate
your
participation
so
moving
on
colleagues,
as
we
discussed
at
our
last
meeting,
given
the
major
changes
in
membership,
as
well
as
with
our
new
and
continuing
staff.
B
Your
vice
chair
commissioner
abdi
and
I
have
worked
with
our
professional
and
administrative
staff
to
develop
this
orientation,
and
I'm
hopeful
very
hopeful
actually
that
this
will
allow
us
to
draw
a
firm,
clear
and
permanent
line
in
the
sand,
so
to
speak
so
putting
the
past
behind
keeping
the
best
aspects
of
prior
iterations
of
this
commission,
eliminating
things
that
don't
work
and
then
coming
together
with
our
elected
elected
officials
and
commission
or
community.
I'm
sorry
we'll
identify
gaps
that
we
need
to
address.
B
That
is
my
intention
with
this
over
I'm
sorry
with
his
orientation
tonight.
This
is
essentially
like
a
reset
opportunity
for
us.
The
staff
has
done
a
huge
amount
of
work
to
help
set
us
up
for
this
success.
So
I
really
invite
you
all
to
fully
engage
and
participate
in
this
process.
B
K
Thank
you
sure,
jackson,
I'm
just
in
the
process
of
getting
this
shared
with
everybody,
so
they
can
see
all
right.
Can
everybody
see
my
screen?
I
can.
I
K
So
with
that
said,
I'm
going
to
get
us
started
here
on
the
first
couple
slides
and
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
director
jafar,
who
will
help
moderate
the
rest
of
the
orientation
so
really
quickly,
just
to
kind
of
go
over.
Some
of
the
things
like
I
just
did
that
we're
going
to
be
going
through.
We
have
an
introduction,
we
kind
of
go
into
the
history
about
you,
know
the
opcr,
the
pcoc
sort
of
how
we
got
here.
K
We
have
the
role
of
the
various
oversight
bodies
in
the
city,
the
purpose
and
function
of
the
pcoc.
We
we're
gonna,
discuss
the
research
and
study
process,
the
pcoc
subcommittee
overview
and
functions
at
that
point
we'll
be
at
the
end
of
you
know
that
section
of
the
training
and
we
thought
it'd-
be
a
good
opportunity
to
provide
a
q,
a
session
with
the
former
chairs,
there's
a
former
chair
and
vice
chair
of
the
pcoc
to
kind
of
answer.
K
Any
questions
that
you
know
perhaps
weren't
touched
on
during
this
or
elaborate
on
something
where
you
know
you
might
have
some
additional
questions
that
they
didn't
get
to.
K
Following
that
we
have
the
pcoc
partners,
which
is
the
city
attorney
and
the
city
clerk,
and
they
can
speak
to
kind
of
their
roles
and
then
minnesota
data
practices,
act,
open
meeting
laws
and
the
ethics
training
portions
to
kind
of
round
this
out.
So
all
right,
so
really
quick
just
to
get
us
started
the
opc,
our
leadership
and
structure
as
it
currently
stands.
Our
director
is
amani.
K
Jafar
she's
been
with
opcr
for
five
years,
she's
16,
you
know
again,
you
can
read
a
lot
of
this,
so
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
time
but
prior
to
joining
us.
She
had
16
years
in
legal
practice,
she's
also
an
adjunct
law,
professor
at
the
university
of
minnesota.
K
I
think
she
can
kind
of
speak
to
more
of
what
brought
her
to
this
position
as
we
kind
of
continue
in
the
training.
When
you
look
at
the
structure
on
the
right
side,
as
of
today,
opcr
has
seven.
The
dark
blue
are
the
ones
that
the
staff
that
we
actually
have
on
hand
right
now
and
the
ones
that
are
in
that
lighter
kind
of
teal
color.
Those
are
ones
that
were
are
either
posted
right
now
or
we're
hoping
to
build
out
and
post
and
hire
in
2021.
K
So
we
currently
have
a
complement
of
seven,
including
the
director.
Opcr
is
divided
into
two
main
functions.
One
of
them
is
case
investigation
and
the
other
is
analysis
and
support.
Right
now
we
have
two
case
investigators
and
we
have
two
intake
investigators.
K
The
intake
case
investigators
are
responsible
for
100
of
the
intake
of
complaints
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
Their
job
is
to
basically
do
the
preliminary
investigation.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
file
a
complaint.
They
might
not
know
the
officer
the
jurisdiction
of
the
officer
was
in.
I
mean
a
good
example,
is
right
in
front
of
minneapolis
city
hall.
You
have,
you
know
a
light
rail
stop,
and
so,
if
it's
you
know,
transit,
please
hurt
somebody
different.
You
know,
there's
an
interaction
that
somebody
doesn't
like
or
thinks
there
was
something
that
was
problematic.
K
They
file
a
complaint.
We
don't
have
jurisdiction
over.
You
know
that's
over
the
transit
transit
police.
So
that's
something
that
you
know
they
would
take
the
complaint
start
to
review
it
and
sort
of
figure
out.
You
know,
if
that
wasn't
the
right
person
will
refer
to
the
correct
agency
or
if
it
was
just
you
know
if
it
was
an
mpd
officer,
and
they
just
didn't
know
who
it
was,
we
can
go
look
through
dispatch,
logs
and
figure
out.
K
Who
was
where
and
and
sort
of
you
know,
work
backwards
to
fill
in
some
of
those
gaps,
so
the
intake
investigator
basically
is
prepping
all
that
kind
of
preliminary.
You
know
data
to
figure
out.
You
know
like
the
who,
what
when,
where
and
then
that's
what's
going
to
go
to
the
joint
supervisors
to
move
forward
at
that
point,
so
cases
that
go
forward
to
a
more
formalized
investigation.
That's
where
our
just
regular
case
investigators
come
in.
At
that
stage,
we're
going
to
see
more
of
the
you
know,
the
interviews
with
with
officers.
K
That's
the
you
know
the
more
deep
dive
into
everything.
That's
happened.
You
know
significant
review
of
all
of
the
body.
Camera
footage
that's
attached
to
the
to
the
case
and
then
to
jump
over
to
the
other
side,
our
analysis
and
support.
Right
now
we
have
one
body-worn
camera
analyst,
so
they're
responsible
for
kind
of
again
reviewing
all
of
that
body.
Camera
footage
that
might
be
tied
to
a
certain
event.
K
Sometimes
that's
going
to
be
to
identify
who
was
present
or
identify
an
officer
that
might
not
have
been
known
to
the
individual
that
filed
a
complaint.
They
also
will
review
the
body
camera
footage
of
any
other
officers
that
were
on
location
just
in
case
there's
anything
that
you
know
that
perhaps
was
missed.
I
mean
the
initial
complaint:
they
have
the
ability
to
flag
other
potential
violations
as
they're
reviewing
the
footage.
So
it's
something
that
there's
definitely
quite
a
bit
of
value
in
the
program
assistant.
K
They
do
a
little
bit
of
everything,
so
they
do
a
lot
of
support
for
a
review
panel
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
they're
running
setting
up
their
meetings,
they're
kind
of
that
administrative
support
staff
for
the
entire
division,
so
there's
a
big
load
on
them.
As
of
today,
we
have
two
positions
that
are
posted.
K
We
have
one
case
investigator
position
that
I
believe
closes
next
week
or
early
next
week,
and
then
we
have
one
video
analyst
position
that
closes
midweek
next
week
after
that
we're
hoping
to
do
a
second
round
of
hiring
and
bring
on
another
case
investigator
and
another
video
analyst,
so
that
would
bring
us
from
seven
to
nine
to
11,
which
would
be
by
far
the
you
know,
most
staff
that
we've
had
on
site
and
also
goes
a
long
ways
towards
kind
of
balancing
the
investigators
between
sworn
and
civilian
between
us
and
internal
affairs.
K
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we've
kind
of
targeted
as
a
goal
of
ours.
So
with
that
said,
I
think
that
kind
of
covers
our
current
layout.
You
know
landscape
and
layout.
Obviously
the
former
chair
and
vice
chair
can
speak
to
this
as
well
since
they're,
familiar
with
our
structure
and
silicon
director,
guffar
and
I'll
also
be
present
for
any
potential
questions
all
right
with.
That
said,
I
think
I
can
turn
it
over
to
director
manny
jafar
and
let
her
kind
of
introduce
our
guest
panelists.
K
Then,
let's
get
this
section
started.
L
L
Hi
here
you
are
hello.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
on
our
second
panelist
as
former
pcoc
vice
chair,
jennifer,
singleton,
jenny,
hey
everyone!
L
Thank
you
both
so
much
for
joining
us.
So
I
would
like
each
of
you
to
start
just
to
talk
about
the
length
of
time
that
you
were
on
the
pcoc
and
maybe
just
to
tell
everyone
why
you
decided
to
do
the
work
in
the
first
place
so
andrea,
how
about
we
start
with
you.
M
Yes,
hi,
I'm
andrea
brown.
I
am
the
first
chair
of
the
pcoc.
I
started
since
inception
a
little
bit
of
why
I
got
into
it.
So
I'm
a
ramsey
county
public
defender.
I've
worked
in
ramsey
county
since
2009
clerked
for
a
judge,
and
then
I've
been
with
the
pd's
office
in
law,
school
and
and
now
working
there.
M
I
moved
back
to
minneapolis
and
wanted
to
get
involved
here.
I
really
like
policy.
I
do
some
work
on
the
legislation
with
legalizing
marijuana
and
oddly
enough
right
oversight.
So
I
got
I
was
interested
looked
at.
What
was
available
saw,
saw
the
pcoc
and
and
dove
right
in
it
was
a
brand
new
thing
and
I
like
navigating
new
areas
of
law,
so
that's
kind
of
what
it
attracted
me
to
to
the
pcoc.
L
And
thank
you
look.
I
just
did
it
when
you
did.
You
know
long
day
right
I
was
gonna
say
I
I
know
andrea
brings
100
her
work
because
we
were
public
defenders
together
at
the
same
time,
for
a
short
period
of
time
we
had
to
overlap.
So
thank
you
so
much
andrea
jenny.
Would
you
do
the
same?
Please
yeah.
N
I
also
go
by
jennifer
and
jay,
but
I
I
was
interested
in
the
pcoc,
I'm
kind
of
the
civil
legal
aide
counterpart
to
andrea's
public
defender
background
and
in
my
current
role
I
work
with
an
organization
that
tries
to
kind
of
do
more
system-wide
work
around
increasing
access
to
justice,
and
that's
some
of
the
same
reasons
that
attracted
me
to
working
with
the
pcoc
is
that
I
saw
as
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
approach,
police
reform
and
and
making
police
services
in
our
city
better
from
a
systems-wide
approach
and
looking
at
what
are
the
policies
and
procedures
that
are
creating
problems
for
our
residents.
N
And
then
I
also
saw
it
as
a
nice
compliment
to,
like
you,
know
the
activism
that's
going
on
within
the
city
as
just
like
another
angle,
to
tackle
the
very
deep
systemic
problems
that
that
we're
facing,
because
I
think
we
need
to
take
all
approaches
and
I'm
personally
like
a
little
bit
more
quiet
kind
of
like
to
nerd
out
on
the
analytic
side
of
things.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
a
way
that
I
can
contribute
to
to
some
of
the
serious
problems
that
I
was
seeing.
L
Well,
having
worked
with
both
of
you
since
2015,
I
can
say
that
I
think
one
of
your
great
strengths
was
the
different
skill
sets
that
you
brought
and
how
you
brought
that
to
the
commission
and
kind
of
took
the
things
that
were
your
strength
and
worked
with
it
to
make
a
lot
of
change.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
this
whole
timeline,
but
what's
up
right
now?
L
Is
it's
just
a
timeline
of
the
start
of
civilian
oversight
in
minneapolis
and
it
starts
in
1990,
but
what
I
was
hoping
that
our
guest
speakers
could
talk
about
because
you
both
were
present
during
you
know
the
big
transition
that
happened
from
the
civilian
review
authority
over
to
the
creation
of
not
just
the
office
police
conduct
review,
but
also
the
pcoc
wondering
if
you
could
talk
about
kind
of
your
impressions
during
that
time
and
how
it
was
like
to
onboard
as
a
new
commissioner
and
any
other
context
that
you
think
would
be
helpful
for
our
new
commissioners.
M
Yeah,
if
you
don't
mind
I'll
jump
in
per
usual,
so
I
can't
see
everybody's
face
because
the
the
presentation
is
up,
but
I'm
just
imagining
that
you
were
all
smiling
at
me.
Just
as
I
am
smiling
at
you,
I
really
get
geeked
about
this
stuff.
I
love
it
part
of
the
learning
curve
right
is
we
had
to
establish
ourselves?
We
I
mean
we
started
brand
new,
so
what
I
will
say
is
jumping
on
board.
My
the
initial
commissioner
group
set
right.
M
I
did
I
didn't
know
anyone,
so
my
leadership
style
is
that
I
met
with
anybody.
Everybody
individually
asked
them
why
they
were
interested
in
this.
You
know
kind
of
my
vision.
I
said
you
know
I
I'm
navigating
in
the
dark.
So
I
really
I'm
a
team
approach,
type
of
person
right,
I'm
going
to
use
my
advisory
council,
I'm
going
to
be
talking
to
my
vice
chair.
You
know
we
really
need
to
be
hand
in
hand.
So
what
I
learned
is
one
of
our
commissioners
on
the
initial
panel
or
excuse
me.
M
The
initial
commissioners
was
michael
weibach
and
michael
weinbeck
happened
to
be
the
former
I
can't
remember
chair
or
vice
chair
of
the
cra,
and
so
what
he
explained
to
me
when
we
were
in
our
one-on-one
meeting
was
he
essentially
said?
This
is
how
I
see
why
the
change
happened.
The
change
happened
was
because
when
it
was
the
cra
right,
everything
was
together
the
panel
and
the
policy
and
the
panel
really
focuses
on
individual
cases.
Right.
That's
that's
that
case
summary
I
mean,
I
know
some
of
our
meetings.
M
We
talked
case
summary
for
hours
and
then
sometimes
we
had
nothing
to
say.
It
just
depended
on
the
case
and
there's
so
much
interest
in
the
case
that
the
cra
was
never
able
to
get
to
the
policy
portion
right.
It
was
always
trying
to
find
some
solution
for
that
individual
case,
and
so
it's
always
case
by
case.
So
there's
all
this
backlog
right
and
then,
with
all
that
backlog,
this
the
civilians
aren't
getting
their
they're
aren't
getting
any
type
of
response.
They
feel
nobody
cares
right.
So
it's
just
it
was
not
a
working
system.
M
So
what
I
understand
what
was
created
is
this
hybrid
system,
which
I
do
got
to
give
a
shout
out
that
we
finally
got
recognition
for
it's,
it's
very,
very
great
and
I'm
happy
to
talk.
M
I
know
that
some
of
mayor
frye's
people
are
here
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
why
it's
such
a
big
deal
that
we
finally
got
this,
but
I
will
caveat
it
there,
but
so
they
could
never
get
to
the
data
portion
and
the
data
portion
is
what
is
needed
because
I
think,
as
most
of
you
know,
are
finding
out
the
way
that
we
get
money
for
these
programs
and
the
way
that
we
continue
to
help
civilians
be
able
to
come
here
right
and
have
public
comment
every
month
and
be
able
to
say,
hey
help
me
and
we'll
get
into
that
later
with
the
co-responder
model.
M
But
you
know
we
need
to
have
and
provide
that
data
and
the
cra
could
never
get
there.
So,
with
the
hybrid
model,
we
were
able
to
parse
it
out
and
pcoc
really
focused
on
that
data
portion,
and
I
think
I've
said
it
a
million
times
jenny
and
you
can.
Let
me
know
if
I
have
said
it
too
much,
but
I
really
said
it's
not
that
I
didn't
personally
care
about
individual
stories.
I
do.
M
I
won't
be
a
public
defender
if
I
didn't,
but
in
this
context
this
is
the
policy
portion
and
if
I
know
that
I
need
policy
pass
and
I
need
backing,
I
need
the
data.
I
can't
just
come
with
this
one
story.
I
need
to
come
with
this
stack
of
stories.
That's
why
we
as
a
commission
focus
on
you
know
any
type
of
pattern
or
or
any
type
of
pattern
of
complaint
that
we
see.
That's
why
our
red
flags
should
go
up,
so
I
will
leave
it
there
I'll.
Let
jenny
jump
in.
N
N
You
know
what
additional
data
do
we
need
to
understand
the
root
of
that
problem
and
then
what
are
the
policies
changes
that
we
can
recommend
to
help
start
to
resolve
those
problems,
so
I
think
we'll
get
into
more
specific
examples
later
on,
but
that
was
a
really
powerful
tool
for
us.
N
Hopefully,
you
can't
hear
the
blender
running
in
the
background
my
partner
making
dinner,
so
we
were
able
to
both
do
that
and
then
also
respond
to
community
groups
and
commune
individual
community
members
who
came
to
us
with
issues
that
they
were
seeing.
So,
for
example,
we
worked
with
mid-minnesota
legal
aid
on
some
housing
issues.
They
were
seeing
that
had
intersections
with
how
police
were
enforcing
certain
issues.
N
N
So
I
think,
having
a
board,
that's
solely
focused
on
those
policy
issues
and
really
digging
into
that.
Information
is
really
helpful
both
to
have
somebody
who
has
an
eye
on
those
patterns
and
then
also
to
have
somebody
who's,
a
board
that
can
receive
those
requests
from
individuals
and
from
community
groups.
L
Thank
you
so
much
yeah.
I
think
it's.
What
we
have
right
now
is
a
slide
up.
That
kind
of
shows
the
three
different
entities,
one
of
your
former
colleagues,
actually
moved
over
to
the
police
conduct
review
panel
because
she
was
kind
of
ready
for
a
change
of
role,
and
I
appreciate
the
kind
of
difference
between
individual,
like
looking
at
cases
versus
kind
of
bigger
policy
recommendations
based
in
data.
M
Yeah,
I
would
say-
and
I
think
I've
said
this
to
a
lot
of
commissioners,
because
I
know
early
on-
and
I
know,
chair
jackson-
you
are
the
chair.
I
can't
see
you,
but
I
I'm
getting
nods,
that
yes,
I'm
correct,
we
had
a
lot
of
overturning
and
as
the
chair,
especially
as
a
newly
done
committee
commission,
I
was
very
concerned.
I
do
have
to
say
a
caveat
here
and,
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
it
because
nobody's
my
boss
anymore
right.
M
I
am
very
sad
to
see
that
the
commission
did
not
retain
its
its
ability
to
have
the
chair
appointed,
not
that
mr
jackson
wouldn't
be
appointed,
but
I
think
that
this
is
a
commission
that
needs
that
extra
bite.
I
knew
as
a
commissioner
right
my
goal,
especially
as
the
chair
was
to
be
neutral,
and
I
said
it
numerous
times
this.
M
M
To
be
that
bridge,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
commission,
we
went
through
a
lot
of
commissioners
early
on
and
jenny
can
attest
that
because
initially
they
they
wanted
to
be
here
because
they
thought
like.
Oh,
this
is
the
part
where
I
can
actually
hold
police
accountable
for
the
criminal
act
right
that
I
know
that
they're
doing
and
I
had
to
explain
it,
and
sometimes
it's
just
not
people's
jazz
right,
like
hr
portion
of
police
complaints
is
not
everybody's
thing,
so
that
was.
M
M
This
is
why
I
will
go
to
city
council
and
say
I
have
no
idea
why
you
stopped
giving
us
money
for
this.
This
was
an
amazing
program
that
started
ground
up,
which
I
will
explain
to
you
guys
later,
because
I'm
so
proud
of
it,
but
that
you
know
you
go
there
with
the
data
right
because
then
you,
like,
I
said
you
have
that
stack
of
here's
700
complaints,
exactly
the
same
or
50
complaints
exactly
the
same
versus
this
one
complaint
for
this
one
person,
and
I
would
encourage
them.
M
I
said
hey
if
you're
interested
in
the
cases
you
know
look
at
the
panel,
maybe
the
panel's,
a
better
fit
for
you-
and
I
know
for
like
commissioner
westfall
that
was
a
better
fit
for
her.
L
L
I
thought
I
saw
her
hand
up
okay.
Well,
we
can
keep
going.
I
think
this
is
all
just
like
really
good
background,
because
they
they're
it.
It
takes
all
of
the
different
pieces
to
you
know,
work
together
to
make
the
whole
I
do
want
to
emphasize,
though,
that
none
of
these
three
bodies
have
any
ability
to
make
discipline.
L
That's
not
just
minneapolis,
that's
in
the
state
of
minnesota,
that
is
state
law
and
you'll,
find
that
around
the
country.
That's
true
as
well!
Why
don't
we
go
on
to
the
next
slide
here?
L
So
this
slide
is
the
actual
ordinance
which
we
ended
up,
rewriting
in
2017,
which
andrea
and
jenny
participated
in
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
used
to
have
a
ceiling
of
seven
people,
and
we
took
that
off,
so
it
would
have
room
to
grow.
L
The
other
thing
that
the
2017
amendments
did
too
was
make
sure
that
we
had
data
access
that
was
codified
and
wasn't
just
an
agreement
between
the
pcoc,
the
opcr
to
have
access
to
data
to
do
that.
Important,
high-level
policy
work.
Just
in
looking
at
the
ordinance
you
know
and
from
remembering
your
work,
jenny
are
there
things
that
you
think
that
are
key
features
of
your
functions
of
the
ordinance
that
you
came
back
to
a
lot
during
your
work.
N
Yeah,
I
think
the
data
was
the
key
to
me
and
the
power
to
do
research
and
studies.
It
sounds
a
little
bit
boring,
but
I
think
that
that
can
have
some
bite.
N
You
know
if
we
lived
in
an
ideal
world,
somebody
could
tell
us
their
experience
and
everyone
would
believe
that
and
we
could
take
action
based
on
that.
But
that's
not
the
world
we
live
in
and
so
like.
Unfortunately,
for
better
or
worse,
we
have
to
like
get
the
data
to
show
that
this
is
like
a
pattern.
N
That's
happening,
and
I
think
that
data
is
especially
important
for
for
the
decision
makers
who
are
in
power
and
for
governing
bodies.
So
that
was
like
really
the
core
to
me
and
just
as
an
example
like
one
of
the
first
studies
that
we
did
was
looking
at
when
mpd
was
making
investigative
stops.
So
when
they
were
like.
Oh
something
looks
fishy,
so
they're
going
to
stop.
N
Somebody
run
their
id
and
what
we
found
was
that
in
almost
no
cases
were
the
police
documenting
anything
about
that
stop,
except
for
what
was
automatically
recorded
from
like
what
they
were
saying
to
dispatch,
and
that
was
really
problematic
because,
like
we
saw
consistently
in
the
case
summaries
that
people
were
com
filing
complaints
because
they
felt
like
they
were
being
racially
profiled
and
because
there
was
no
data,
like
those
cases,
couldn't
go
anywhere
because
the
way
the
system
is
set
up.
N
If
there's
no
data-
and
this
was
before
body
cams
and
then
the
pro
preponderance
of
the
evidence,
the
police
went.
So
all
those
cases
had
nowhere
to
go
and
we
didn't
have
the
data
to
say
whether
or
not
that
was
happening
like
on
that
kind
of
official
level.
So
I
spent
like
two
years
meeting
monthly
with
at
the
time
assistant
chief
rondo
being
like.
N
When
are
we
going
to
start
collecting
this
data
like
it's
coming,
it's
coming
and
then.
Finally,
we
did
get
that
data
and
because
of
that,
the
aclu
was
able
to
come
up
with
come
out
with
a
report
that
did
show
that
there
was
racial
profiling.
Going
on
that
that
black
folks
were
being
disproportionately
impacted
by
these
types
of
investigative
stops,
you
know
a
friend
of
mine
who
used
to
work
in
hennepin
county
public
defender's
office.
N
She
was
able
to
take
that
data
that
was
then
publicly
available
and
show
some
some
other
disproportionate
impacts
that
were
happening
so
getting
that
data
to
light
being
able
to
to
influence
mpd
to
collect
the
data
in
the
first
place
and
then
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
out
to
the
public,
I
think
is,
is
really
really
important
to
trying
to
make
some
of
these
changes.
L
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
great
point,
and
I
think
you
know
I
know
just
because
the
three
of
us
have
had
many
conversations
about
frustrations
with
the
minnesota
data
practices
act
about
limitations
on
information,
but
I
think
that
you
know
it's
great
to
hear
your
stories
of
the
work
and
how
we've
been
able
to
work
collaboratively
to
take
what
we
can
give
out
for
good
and
big
policy.
You
know
big
changes
that
happened
during
both
of
your
time
with
the
pcoc.
L
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
time
to
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
which
I
think
starts
talking
about
the
projects,
because
I
think
it's
just
a
great
illustrative
example.
We
do
before
we
move
on
to
that
quickly.
So
you
mentioned
jenny
mentioned
the
research
and
study.
This
is
the
ordinance
language
that
establishes
your
research
and
study.
I
think
everyone
involved
in
this
process
felt
that
it
was
important
to
have
it
codified,
that
they
had
the
ability
to
do
that.
L
The
pcoc
research
and
study
process
manual
is
also
online
and
has
all
of
the
detail
for
people
who
are
looking
to
see
the
nuts
and
bolts.
So
why?
Don't
we
go
to
the
to
the
next
slide,
so
jenny
you
had
mentioned
the
investigative
stop
study,
andrea.
Is
there
one
on
this
list?
I
mean
you
had
mentioned
mental
health.
Would
you
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
co-responder?
L
M
I
I
talk
about
the
close
friend
all
the
time
and
obviously
you
see
I
get
geek
and
I'm
truly
genuine.
When
I
talk
about
the
policy
and
my
my
love
for
the
work
that
we
have
done
with
the
pcoc,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say,
chair
jackson,
I
really
appreciate
what
you
said
in
the
beginning
of
this.
I'm
letting
you
know.
I
have
not
followed
what
has
happened
since
I
didn't
ask
for
reappointment
and
left
the
pcoc.
M
I
went
to
have
a
baby
and
I
had
a
baby
during
covid,
so
I
have
been
focused
on
my
family,
so
I
don't
know
what
has
happened
in
the
past,
but
I
appreciate
your
sentiment
and
I'm
hoping
I
it
can
be
an
open
vessel
for
all
of
you,
like
I
said,
including
the
mayor's
office,
and
whoever
is
here.
I
know
chuck
and
dave
are
on
the
phone
hi
guys
because
I'm
so
passionate
about
this,
because
I
do.
M
I
still
do
interviews
about
all
the
work
that
we
have
done
on
the
pcoc
and
establishing
ourselves,
and
I
just
gave
an
interview
about
the
co-responder
model
because
I
truly
110
believe
in
it
and-
and
you
can
see
like
I'm
getting
passionate,
because
I
remember
the
day
that
the
woman
came
to
our
meeting
so
point
blank.
Our
first
meeting
and
the
first
couple
meetings
were
rough.
I
didn't,
I
didn't,
do
robert's
rules,
so
I
was
learning
robert's
rules.
It
was
a
whole
mess.
M
I
didn't
understand
motion
seconding
all
of
that
right,
so
it
was
a
hot
mess
and
mr
fussy
had
to
help
me
through
it,
but
we
got
through
it
right
and
I
established
a
an
air
about
us
so
that
we
could
just
keep
it
rolling
right,
and
so
we
were
at
a
meeting
that
that
was
going.
You
know
we
had
established
ourselves.
M
We
had
gotten
some
things
under
our
feet
and
we
had
this
woman
come
in
and
she
said
I
you
know
I
I
said
public
comment,
and
this
is
a
time
before
covid,
where
we
could
all
be
together.
She
wrote
her
name
on
the
piece
of
paper
and
you
know
I
said
her
name
and
come
up
and
I
you
know
I
usually
cut
people
off
right.
If
you're,
rambling,
too
long,
I'm
gonna
cut
you
off,
I
didn't
cut
her
off
at
all
and
jenny.
M
M
M
Commissioner
singleton
and
commissioner
westfall
took
of
that
interest
in
this
emotion
was
passed
immediately.
I
believe,
by
both
of
you
to
do
a
research
and
study
on
this,
and
I
know
I'll.
Let
jenny
go
into
more
information
on
how
she
got
it
set
up,
but
it
literally
started
from
one
community
member
bringing
this
problem
right.
Talking
about
here's,
my
ideas,
here's
the
work
I've
done
getting
at
the
table
right.
M
Essentially,
she
was
able
to
come
to
the
table,
sit
with
jenny
and
laura
and,
like
I
said
I'll,
let
jenny
go
into
who
they
all
met
with,
and
we
got
the
co-responder
model.
We
got
a
half
a
million
dollars
from
the
mayor's
budget
and
it
was
mayor
hodges
at
the
time,
and
I
can
tell
you
major
mayor
hodges
had
nicole
nicole
archibald
came
to
every
one
of
our
meetings.
M
I
had
monthly
meetings
with
her
and
the
mayor
and
we
had
monthly
meetings
with
rondo
and
chief
harto
at
the
time.
So
we,
you
know,
I
mean,
and
they
weren't
all,
let's
sit
down
and
talk
like
most
of
the
meetings
I
was
yelling.
I
was
like.
Why
aren't
you
doing
this
faster?
I'm
a
volunteer
and
look
at
all
the
work
we're
doing
right.
So
it's
not
always
fun.
M
I
want
people
to
know
behind
the
scenes
I
was
yelling
and
jenny
can
attest
to
that
too,
but
the
co-responder
model
I
mean
we
got
money
for
it.
It
was
proven
to
work
in
the
in
the
districts
that
it's
you
know
that
we
got
it
to
work
in
in
the
awards
that
we
got
it
to
work
and
we
finally
got
it
fully
funded
and,
like
I
said
I
haven't
been
following
things.
M
All
I
know
right
now
is
that
it's
not
fully
funded
and
that
it's
essentially
gone
and
it's
gonna
money
has
been
moved
to
rebuild
something
that
was
already
there.
My
frustration
is
that
nobody
came
to
talk
to
me.
Nobody
came
to
talk
to
pcoc,
nobody
came
to
commissioner
or
chair
jackson
and
say:
hey.
M
You
have
a
co-responder
thing,
tell
me
about
it
and
she
can
say.
I
have
no
idea
talk
to
andrea
brown.
That's
my
biggest
issue
is
because
essentially
we
are
leaving
we're
leading
the
community
with
nothing.
The
community
had
something
that
we
had
built
and
now
they
have
nothing.
So
I
will
step
off
my
soapbox
and
let
jenny
talk,
but
I'm
so
passionate
about
it,
because
that
is
a
proven,
and
that
proves
a
our
hybrid
model
works,
but
also
the
community
relied
on
us
and
now
my
fear
is.
The
community
has
nothing
right
now.
L
Yeah,
that's.
I
really
appreciate
you
sharing
that
because
you
know
on
your
end,
the
way
that
project
started.
I
think,
is
such
a
good
example
of
how
the
pcse
and
opcr
work
together,
because
you
were
in
the
community
doing
the
work.
While
we
were
collecting
the
data
and
not
only
did
we
collect
the
data
we
got
in
touch
with
other
police
agencies
across
the
country,
because
I
was
the
director.
L
I
was
very
new
at
the
job,
but
I
was
on
some
of
those
phone
calls
where
we
heard
from
other
states
about
how
they
were
doing
co-responder-
and
you
know
there
were
all
different
examples
and
it
was
just
it
was
kind
of
a
you
know.
This
is
what
knowing
minneapolis
like
here's
a
proposal
we
can
all
put
together
and
you're
right.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
don't
talk
about
day
to
day
is
those
intense
negotiations.
L
It's
cultivating
data
and
negotiations,
and
you
know
for
me
it's
negotiations
on
individual
cases
and
negotiations
on
the
bigger
policy
work,
because
that's
where
the
real
change
gets
made.
It's
spotting
those
trends
and
issues
for
me,
whether
it's
in
case
screening
or
it's
it's
working
with
all
of
you
and
hearing
from
the
community,
because
I
do
remember
that
woman
and
she
was
very
extremely
compelling
the
entire
time.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
sharing
that
jenny
on
this
list
is
there?
G
Thank
you
so
much
just
real,
quick,
andrea,
john
sylvester.
Commissioner.
I
work
as
a
paramedic
for
hcmc.
I
have
seen
the
co-responder
model
work
personally,
first
hand
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
putting
that
into
our
city
and
putting
that
kind
of
in
our
toolbox
for
people.
I've
seen
that
turn
lives
around
I've
seen
that
personally
de-escalate
situations
in
in
just
amazing
ways-
and
you
know
the
fact
that
that
they're
not
necessarily
running
the
way
they
used
to
is
pretty
disheartening.
G
So
mental
health
response
and
public
safety
right
now
is
kind
of
my
number
one
goal
for
being
here
on
this
commission,
and
so
I'm
I'm
really
excited
to
hear
more
from
you
than
to
have
more
conversations
with
you
about
the
work.
That's
already
been
done
more
and
more
and
more
importantly,
thank
you
for
giving
us
that
tool.
M
Well,
I
appreciate
that
and
definitely
let's
talk
offline
I
will
I
saw
a
message
come
up,
but
for
whatever
reason,
my
computer
is
doing
the
round
circle
thing,
but
I
know
people
have
been
asking
for
my
information.
I
will
give
it
to
to
the
director
and
she
can
announce
it
when
the
time
is
appropriate.
If
that's
okay,
chair
jackson,.
L
L
N
I
think
the
evictions
and
calls
for
service
project.
You
know
we
talked
about
the
investigative
stops
project
which
came
out
of
reviewing
the
case
summaries.
N
We
talked
about
the
the
officer
interactions
with
mental
health
issues,
which
came
out
of
a
very
dedicated
and
active
community
member
kathy
who
was
wonderful
to
work
with,
and
then
the
evictions
and
call
for
a
service
that
came
out
of
mid-minnesota
legal
aid,
approached
the
pcoc
and
did
a
presentation
about
the
way
a
particular
ordinance
was
being
enforced.
N
And
essentially
there
was
this
ordinance
called
conduct
on
licensed
premises
and
what
was
happening
in
actuality
was
if
a
certain
number
of
police
calls
came
from
a
rental
property
that
would
trigger
this
ordinance,
which
would
then
trigger
a
review
of
of
the
landlord's
license
and
and
require
the
landlord
to
go
through.
I
forget
the
terminology,
but
like
a
like
a
performance
improvement
plan
and
that
plan
often
emphasized
getting
the
tenant
to
move
out
and
so
a
lot
of
times.
N
The
landlord
would
be
strongly
encouraged
to
to
issue
a
notice
to
vacate
and
that
tenant
would
leave,
and
this
was
really
problematic,
especially
for
for
folks
who
are
experiencing
domestic
violence,
for
example,
who
might
be
calling
the
police
for
their
own
safety.
N
This
that
that
circumstance
could
trigger
the
ordinance
and
then
that
person
would
not
have
an
official
eviction
but
would
basically
lose
their
lose.
Their
housing
and
legal
aid
was
seeing.
These
clients
come
in,
who
are
getting
these
notices
to
vacate
because
they
had
called
the
police
or
the
police
had
been
called.
There
are
even
instances
where,
like
somebody,
I
think,
lived
by
a
bus
stop
and
so
that
address
had
been
used
for
police
calls
for
activity
happening
at
the
bus
stop.
N
N
It
turned
out
that
the
police
department
was
very
heavily
involved
in
and
landlord
training,
and
so
a
lot
of
these
landlords
wouldn't
even
want
to
be
be
issuing
a
notice
to
vacate
to
their
tenant.
They
would
want
to
continue
that
relationship,
but
they
felt
like
they
had
no
choice
and
that
they
would
lose
their
rental
license
if
they
didn't
didn't
get
that
tenant
to
to
move
out.
N
So
that
was
a
situation
where,
by
running
the
data
about
what
was
happening
when
we
found
instances
of
like
illegally
requiring
people
to
move
when
they
had
called
for
domestic
violence,
it
was
also
having
a
chilling
effect
on
folks
who
were
overdosing
where
they
wouldn't
want
to
call
the
police,
because
that
could
endanger
their
housing.
N
We
were
able
to
get
that
ordinance
change
and
then
also
get
the
practices
changed
as
well
to
really
look
at
like
the
whole
streamline
of
how
of
how
that
ordinance
was
being
enforced.
So
I
thought
that
was
one
of
our
successes
and
actually
one
of
the
faster
faster
results
that
we
got.
L
I
loved
that
project
so
much
because
I
was
a
housing
attorney
at
legal
aid
and
I
had
worked
with
clients
on
the
back
end
of
that
and
it
was
impossible
and
it
was
a
very.
It
was
a
really
systemic
problem
and
I
wrote
most
of
that
report
because
of
my
background
in
housing
law
and
one
really
surprising
finding
that
I
think
shows
just
the
power
of
data
and
connecting
the
enterprise.
L
So
that
presentation
was
probably
my
favorite
one
that
I've
ever
done
in
city
council,
because
we
went
in
as
a
group
and
surprisingly,
the
police
department
had
no
interest
in
training
landlords
and
they
said
well,
we've
just
been
doing
it
because
we
they
handed
it
to
us
and
we've
always
been
doing
it.
Please
tell
us
how
to
make
it
stop
and
it
revamped
everything,
and
you
know
so
what
ended
up
happening
was
everybody
wanted
to
change?
L
Nobody
knew
where
to
start
and
because
the
pcoc
picked
up
that
project,
you
know
changed
everything
and
I
think
you
know
legal
aid
is
still
saying
that
it.
You
know
it
was
a
wonderful
project
and
they're
so
glad
it
happened,
and
you
know
I
think
that
year
there
was
a
lot
of
impactful
projects.
The
domestic
violence
response
study,
which
was
one
that
was
was
carried
by
the
two
of
you
and
is
one
that
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
as
well.
L
You
know
global
rights
for
women,
who
is
our
community
partner,
just
got
a
grant
from
the
minneapolis
foundation
to
continue
that
work
and
they're
going
to
be
doing
regular
auditing
of
domestic
violence
reports
and
yeah.
I
know:
isn't
that
really
exciting,
so
you
know
jenny.
You
know
it
was
kind
of
like
the
nexus
between
these
two
projects,
but
she
mentioned
the
domestic
violence
victims.
Well,
they
have
protections
under
state
law.
They
should
never
be
losing
their
housing.
So
you
know
it
was
such
a
good.
L
It
was
a
project
that
was
born
out
of
another
project,
essentially
so
that
that's
the
power
of
data.
Even
if
you
don't
have
everything
that
you
want
to
start,
you
know,
even
if
you
can
just
get
the
you're
the
high
level
view
group
and
there's
a
lot,
you
can
do
with
a
high
level
view
and.
M
And
also
I
just
want
to
if
I
can
jump
in
on
that,
I
mean
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
took
care
of
that
we
didn't
need
a
research
and
study
for
right.
I
remember,
I
think,
jenny.
Let
me
know
if
I'm
wrong
and
I'm
trying
not
to
to
curse,
but
I
remember
telling
heart
toe.
I
don't
understand
why
her
officers
cannot
stop
swearing
at
the
people
that
they
are
arresting
as
a
public
defender.
M
I
am
not
constantly
swearing
at
my
clients
who
happen
to
be
maybe
in
the
same
manner
that
they
were
when
they
were
being
arrested.
I
mean
it's
very,
it's
very
easy
to
stop
swearing,
but
I
know
that
is
like
the
number
one
complaint
we
got.
I
don't
know
if
you're
still
getting
those
complaints,
but
to
me
that's
something
very
easy.
I
don't
need
to
do
a
research
and
study
to
say,
stop
swearing
and
using
swear
words
when
talking
to
somebody,
even
if
you're
arresting
them.
L
No
thank
you
so
much
yeah
that
that
is
that
is
so
true,
so
so
wonderful
projects.
You
can
see
that
in
these
links
we
have
pdf
links
to
all
the
individual
projects,
but
everything
is
on
the
police
conduct
oversight
commission's
web
page
as
well,
including
past
case
summaries
too.
I
know
there's
been
some
discussion
here,
so
if
you
haven't
really
had
a
chance
to
do
a
deep
dive
on
the
website
I'll,
like
really
really
recommend
it,
I
think
we
can
go
to
the
to
the
next
slide.
What
how
about
your?
L
This
is
just
the
overview
of
the
subcommittees.
Each
of
you
served
on
subcommittees
andrea.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
just
briefly
serving
on
a
subcommittee
and
what
that
experience
was
like
for
you.
M
Sure
I
will
say
I
know
that
the
rules
and
governance-
I
don't
know
what
happened.
I
did
something
to
my
computer,
I'm
sorry.
I
can
only
see
half
of
the
screen
the
slideshow,
but
I
know
I
was
on
probably
a
lot
of
committees,
because
at
that
time
we
were
only
seven,
so
we
had
to
double
up.
I
know
the
rules
and
governance
only
got
together.
It
was
initially
like
a
standing
group
standing
subcommittee,
but
we
realized
we
didn't
need
it
right.
M
It
was
something
that
was
created
at
one
of
the
first
meetings
by
michael
weinbeck
and
who,
who
said
that
would
be
helpful,
but
we
ended
up
finding
out
along
the
road
that
it
wasn't
actually
super
helpful
because
we
didn't
need
to
constantly
be
revamping
the
rules
and
procedures
of
of
our
own
commission.
I
know
outreach
commission
was
was
mostly
commissioner
singleton
and
commissioner
westfalt
policy
and
procedure.
I
know
we
did
it.
M
A
lot
of
times
was
keeping
track
of
in
our
small
committees
is
where
things
were
on
in
what
we
called
the
queue
right.
All
these
things
that
we
had
earmarked
from
either
stories
from
the
community,
because
that's
what
happened
in
between
meetings
right
in
between
each
tuesday
meeting,
I
have
three
weeks
of
phone
calls
and
emails
and
things
that
I'm
seeing
in
st
paul
seeing
okay,
I'm
sure
this
is
happening
in
minneapolis
right
things
on
my
radar.
M
So
it
was
a
way
to
at
our
meeting,
make
sure
that
this
went
on
the
queue
so
that
we,
as
a
commission
didn't
lose
track
on
it,
so
that,
when
you
know
like
director
jafar,
you
were
just
saying
how
one
research
and
study
came
from
another
one
same
thing
with
with
issues
and
so
policy
procedure
really
focused
on
on
keeping
track
of
all
of.
L
And
jenny,
I
just
asked
you
if
you
would
like
to
weigh
in
so
you
didn't
even
need
me.
So
what
were
your
experiences
serving
on
a
subcommittee
yeah.
N
I
think
I
served
on
all
of
these
subcommittees
our
committees,
as
we
renamed
them,
and
the
rules
and
governance
committee,
but
that
was
where
we
like.
The
heart
of
the
work
happened
where
we
would,
with
a
smaller
group,
really
be
able
to
discuss
like
the
nitty-gritty
of
okay,
we're
doing
a
study
on
domestic
violence
response
like
what
are
the
questions
that
we
really
need
to
get
answered
in
this
report.
What
are
the
like
research
questions?
What
are
the
specific
things
that
we
need
to
dive
into?
N
Who
do
we
need
to
be
talking
to
and
get
into
those
details,
and
do
that
kind
of
in-depth
work
and
then
report
back
at
the
monthly
pcoc
meetings?
What
work
had
been
done
at
each
of
those
committees
so
that
we
were
letting
everybody
else
know
where
we
were,
and
so
that
not
everybody
had
to
do
the
deep
dive
into
every
single
project.
L
Mute
yeah,
I'm
just
you
know,
it's
been
five
hours
of
video
meetings.
I
think
my
brain
is
turning
off.
My
apologies.
I
think
chair
jackson
and
casey
carl
are
actually
working
on
the
committee
assignments
as
we
speak
right
now,
and
if,
if
anybody
would
like
to
give
an
update,
you
are
more
than
welcome.
B
B
Well,
you
know
we
do
we.
We
did
fully
staff
the
the
policy
and
procedure
committee,
the
audit
committee
and
the
outreach
committee.
What
we
had
read
was
that
the
rules
and
governance
committee
was
now
ad
hoc,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
commissioners
to
volunteer.
Should
the
the
need
arise
in
the
future
for
a
rules
and
governance
committee,
and
there
are
nine
of
us
and
we
have
three
standing
committees.
So
we
we
have
three
commissioners
per
committee.
B
B
We
have
commissioner
sparks
commissioner
pineau
and
commissioner
crockett
on
audit,
and
we
have
commissioner
jacobson
commissioner
mcguire
and
myself
will
be
serving
on
the
outreach
committee.
So
once
once
we
complete
our
orientation
and
we
get
back
to
you
know
regular
meetings.
Next
month,
I
will
probably
be
asking
each
committee
to
start
meeting
weekly
and
decide.
B
You
know
what
what
they
want
to
work
on
and
then
we'll
come
back
at
the
next
monthly
meeting
and
discuss
what
we're
what
we're
doing
so,
it's
great
to
hear
how
you
guys
went
through
this
process,
because
I'm
soaking
everything
in
I'm
learning
it,
and
you
know
I
just
my
hope-
is
that
we
can
really
sink
our
teeth
into
some
things
and
get
some
things
done.
The
same
as
you
and
and
jenny
did
andrea,
like
I'm,
not
I'm.
M
M
My
husband
happens
to
be
in
a
wheelchair,
so
when
they
explain
to
me
how
they
arrest
somebody
in
a
wheelchair,
not
only
did
I
yell
at
them,
but
they
told
me
it
was
completely
inappropriate
at
that
time
their
thought
was
to
handcuff
somebody
in
a
wheelchair,
handcuff
them
to
their
wheels,
because
then
they
can't
move
now.
You
guys
don't
know
me
very
well,
but
I
went
completely
ballistic
and
that
is
insane.
M
I
said
they
need
to
change
that
now.
There's
no
official
document
like
that's
insane
and
I'm
surprised
you
haven't
been
sued
yet
and
then
it
was
like
what
was
it
two
three
months
after
we
saw
a
couple
of
those
complaints
come
in
so
once
again
it
went
on
the
queue
and
we,
it
was
a
simple.
I
asked
the
director
I
said:
hey
has
this
been
taken
care
of
in
the
policy
in
the
training,
so
this
is
not
being
trained.
I
got
a
confirmation.
M
Yes,
it's
been
taken
out
boom
done
and
then
I
reported
that
the
next
meeting
this
had
been
taken
care
of
and
then
and
so
so
so
just
kind
of
goes
back
to
my
thing,
you
don't
need
the
full
big
investigation
for
something.
Sometimes
things
come
up
and
because
we
have
a
hybrid
model,
you
can
say
what's
the
data
on
this?
What's
the
current
policy,
I
mean
jenny.
How
many
times
have
there
been,
even
when
an
incident
happened
and
not
even
a
critical
incident,
but
an
incident
right?
The
incident
happened
and
my
immediate
response
is
okay.
M
N
Oh
that's
an
issue
we
want
to
look
at
more
and
we
would
refer
it
to
the
policy
and
procedure
committee,
the
pmp
committee
and
then
that
committee,
during
their
next
meeting,
would
keep
track
of
all
the
issues
that
had
come
up
previously
and
they
might
request
of
the
opcr
office.
Some
additional
data
about
that
particular
issue
and
basically
figure
out
like
what
is
our
plan
of
attack
for
this
issue.
Is
this
a
full
research
and
study?
N
Is
this
like
andrea,
said
something
that
we
can
have
some
conversations
and
make
that
change
right
away
without
a
full
research
and
study?
And
then,
if
it
was
a
full
research
and
study,
then
it
would
get
moved
to
the
audit
committee
to
shepherd
it
through
the
process
of
doing
the
full
research
project
and
coming
up
with
recommendations.
L
That's
really
helpful
and
we've
already
kind
of
moved
into
the
q
a
so
I'm
going
to
invite
andrew
who's
been
really
kind
to
run
the
slideshow
to
take
that
down.
So
they
can
see
your
faces
a
little
bit
better,
but
we
thought
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
if
any
of
the
commissioners
have
questions
for
our
pcoc
alums.
Here
you
know
you've
taken
on
a
lot
of
information.
They
are
a
wealth
of
information
for
you.
So
please,
if
you
have
questions,
go
ahead.
B
I'm
I'm
kind
of
a
gal
that
can't
really
think
of
the
question
right
off
the
top
of
her
head,
so
I
would
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
both
of
you
individually.
Then
that
way
my
questions
will
come
to
the
fore.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here
tonight.
L
F
I
do
thank
you
well,
first
off.
Thank
you
both
for
spending
your
evening
telling
us
about
your
time
in
the
pcoc.
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
think
one
of
the
like
initial
things
that
both
of
you
mentioned
was
that
transition
from
the
initial
data
points,
whether
it
be
the
case
summaries
or
someone
coming
in
and
telling
you
a
story
into
talking
into.
I
think
what
I
would
d
more.
F
You
know
that
statistical
administrative
data,
you
know
and
and
really
starting
to
get
a
look
at
a
bigger
picture,
rather
than
just
a
data
point
or
an
anecdote
right
for
me,
and
it's
been
a
weird
first
year
with
me
on
the
pcoc,
but
that
has
been
like
a
big
stumbling
block.
F
In
my
opinion,
can
you
share
and-
and
you
definitely
shared
the
end
result
of
that
of
whether
it
be
a
research
and
study
or
a
new
policy
recommendation
or
something
would
you
be
able
in
like
a
sentence
or
two
try
to
give
either
a
highlight
or
your
recommendation
of
how
we
go
about
getting
to
that
next
step
from
data
point
to
really
getting
the
the
data
itself
in
a
holistic
view.
N
How
many
resources
does
it
take
to
get
that
data
like
what's
within
you
know,
like
opcr,
just
doesn't
have
as
much
staff
as
they
should
have
so
like
taking
into
consideration
their
staffing
levels
and
their
capacity
so
kind
of
it
was
just
a
conversation,
starting
from
what
do
we
want
to
know
to
what
data
is
available
to
what
are
we
able
to
get
our
hands
on
to
narrow
down
the
scope
of
what
the
project
would
be
about,
and
so
sometimes
it
would
evolve
over
time.
M
D
M
I
think
that
that's
where
you
guys
establish
and
if
you
don't
want
to
use
the
queue
I'm
not
going
to
be
offended,
I'm
not
going
to
like
come
to
public
comment
and
say
you
got
rid
of
my
cue
right.
Do
whatever
works
for
you,
but
it's
it's
the
interesting
piece
like
commissioner
pineau.
M
If
you're
you
know
the
for,
for
example,
the
hcmc,
the
the
ketamine
study,
I
actually
just
did
an
interview
out
of
new
york
with
that,
because
that's
apparently
a
big
issue
in
new
york
they're
just
now
finding
that
came
organically
from
the
ordinance
which
requires
our
one
person
or
your
guys
is
one
person
to
review
body
cams
right
and
it's
really
keeping
track
of
the
patterns.
M
I
mean
that
pattern
right,
because
if
it's
one
story
right,
because
that's
the
thing
right,
you
hear
prosecutors,
you
her
cops
say:
oh,
it's
just
one
person
who's
upset
with
this,
and
I
hate
that.
So
me,
coming
back
as
a
public
defender
saying
no,
not
only
do
I
see
it
every
day
in
my
job,
but
here's
the
proof
I
have
all
of
these.
M
You
know
what
I
mean,
and
so
it's
that
data
that
data
piece
is
so
huge
and
what
I
always
told
the
public
is:
I'm
not
trying
to
be
unsympathetic
right,
you're
sitting
in
my
meeting
and
I'm
listening
to
you.
It's
not
that
I'm
not
hearing
you,
but
I'm
not
asking
questions,
because
I
need
to
take
certain
pieces
from
your
story
and
be
able
to
move
it
to
the
pnp
or
move
it
to
the
audi
body,
because
we
need
to
compare
what
we
already
have
right.
M
Maybe
this
is
the
hundredth
one,
so
we
can
say
so:
oh
yeah
opcr
can
say
we
finally
like
this
is
the
one
we
have
compiled
enough.
Where
we
have
here,
you
go
and
let
me
present
on
it,
so
so
that
that
transition
to
move
and
so
sometimes
you're.
Just
it's
disappointing
right.
M
You
say:
look,
we
don't
have
enough
information
on
this
issue,
I
mean
one
of
my
biggest
things
was
to
always
deal
with
the
ada
right
because,
as
of
I,
I
think
it
still
says
that
right
now
I
don't
know
if
we
ever
got
to
it.
But
at
one
point
it
said
english
as
a
second
language
was
listed
as
a
disability
under
the
ada
under
minneapolis
mpd
policy.
M
What
that
makes
no
sense.
I
think
I
think
we
took
care
of
that
part,
but
we
weren't
able
to
dive
into
more
of
the
ada
stuff
that
I
wanted
to,
because
I
mean,
unless
you
have
a
person
in
a
wheelchair
in
your
life,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
not
accessible,
especially
when
dealing
with
police
right.
So
sometimes
it
just
doesn't
happen,
but
that's
why
you
have
to
keep
a
queue
or
a
tally
or
something,
and
if
commissioners
are
going
to
keep
you
know
coming
in
and
out.
M
That
was
the
best
way
that
we
could
come
up
with
it.
But
it's
really
getting
that
data
to
kind
of
get
the
ball
moving,
and
if
there
is
no
data,
you
know
there
is
no
data.
So
now
we
got
to
find
a
way
to
keep
it
so
like
it's
called
the
I
don't
even
know,
what's
called
the
dashboard,
we
call
I
call
the
singleton
model
because
that
investigatory
stop
thing,
I'm
not
kidding
you.
M
I
love
that
as
a
public
defender
mike,
you
know
what
I
mean
because
there's
a
very
big
difference
between
a
911
operator.
Getting
a
call
saying
there
are
three
black
men
on
the
corner
that
I
have
an
issue
with
and
then
they
get
there
and
guess
what
it's
not
three:
black
men.
Now
it's
three
hispanic
men
and
now
we
have-
or
you
know
three
latino
men
and
now
we
have
three
latino
complaints
coming
in
saying
I'm
being
racially
profiled.
Well
now
we
can
pull
that
and
say
hey.
The
initial
call
was
for
three
black
males.
M
Why
is
this
squad
even
approaching
these
three
latino
males
right?
But
you
don't
get
there
and
a
it
took
two
years,
but
you
know
you
don't
get
there
until
you're
able
to
get
that
data.
So
some
things
you
just
can't
and
that's
why
you
earmark
it
because
you
never
know
when
that.
Next
story
will
come
in
that
will
be
that
catalyst
for
that
subject.
L
L
Yeah,
it
makes
because
the
anecdotal
heart
string
stories-
I
mean
they're
horrible,
but
you
you
can't
you
can't
take
that
one
person
in
I
agree
with
that.
A
hundred
percent
and
that's
you,
know,
part
of
the
reason
I
shifted
from
doing
direct
client
service
work,
whether
it's
criminal
defense
housing
work
into
doing
systemic
work,
because,
although
I
have
my
own
frustrations
with
the
system
that
those
of
you
who
know
me
that
I'm
happy
to
talk
about,
but
there
is
also
a
benefit
to
trying
to
work
within
what
you
can
get
to
push
those
boundaries.
M
And
that's
also
why
I
do
legislative
work
right.
I
get
I've
given
this
before,
but
maybe
this
will
help
some
commissioners
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
I'm
sure,
dave
and
chuck
have
heard
me
say
this
numerous
times,
but
you
can't,
I
don't
believe
you
can
take
down
a
tower
just
by
hitting
it
from
the
outside
right.
You
need
people
on
the
inside
who
are
also
trying
to
take
down
that
tower
and
that's
kind
of
how
I
saw
myself
as
the
chair
of
pcoc
right,
I'm
keeping
this
neutral
because
both
sides
need.
M
M
In
the
meantime,
I
gotta
be
working
within
the
system
that
I
have
changing
it,
but
also
knocking
it
down
and
that's
kind
of
really
I
mean
I
I
we
were
busy
and
you
do
this
for
free,
and
so
when
you
get
discouraged
and
you're
like
I'm
doing
all
this
work
and
nobody's
listening
to
me
and
I'm
frustrated
when
you
get
those
little
wins,
you
know.
Unfortunately,
the
staff
is
not
big
enough.
We,
you
know,
I
mean
there's
no
facebook
group
to
say
how
great
we
did.
M
There's
no
twitter
to
be
like
this
is
what
we're
doing
right
and
because
you're
volunteers
you
get
burned
out,
so
I
totally
get
that
so
I
want
to
express,
I
know
the
meetings.
I'm
do
I'm
talking
long,
but
I'm
here,
because
I
want
to
be
able
to
rejuvenate
you
because
this
this
is
what
gets
me
geeked.
I
love
this
work.
L
Andrea
and
jenny,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
It's
just.
It
was
my
pleasure
to
work
with
you
too.
I
I
would
say-
and
you
know
I'm
sure
you
would
agree
that
I
think
we
had
a
really
positive
working
relationship
together
and
we
figured
out
ways
that
you
could
be
in
your
space
and
we
could
be
in
our
space
but
to
bring
those
skill
sets
together
to
actually
make
real
change.
So
I'm
it's
just
really
nice
to
have
you
back,
and
I
would
encourage
all
the
commissioners
to
take
you
up
on
being
a
resource.
M
Yes,
just
remember
that
if
you
have
an
argument
today
doesn't
mean
you
still
have
the
argument
next
time.
That
was
a
big
lesson
for
me,
because
I'm
not
always
going
to
agree
with
anybody,
including
you
know
my
vice
chair
or
the
director.
So
that
was
a
learning
lesson
for
me.
So
I
just
I'll
leave
you
with
that.
N
L
Perfect
segway
joel
is
on
deck
with
the
city,
attorney's
presentation.
O
All
right
well,
thank
you,
madam
chair
or
madam's
chairs,
as
it
as
it
were,
and
commissioners,
I'm
gonna
really
step
on
the
gas
for
these
last
few
topics,
just
because
they're
just
meant
to
be
kind
of
a
high
level
introduction
to
a
few
of
these
concepts
that,
as
you
know,
we've
already
talked
about
in
some
past
meetings
and
about
how
complex
you
know,
data
practices
can
be,
but
the.
O
K
O
Thank
you,
andrew
and,
and
I
will
kind
of
just
throw
it
over
to
casey
after
I
think
the
first
slide
that
we
talked
about
in
the
partners
portion
of
this
just
talks
about
my
office
and
how
our
responsibility
as
it
as
it
comes
to
or
relates
to
the
pcoc,
is
to
advise
on
legal
matters
as
needed,
inappropriate
and
that,
in
terms
of
requests
for
kind
of
more
formal
or
official
city
attorney
office,
legal
opinions,
those
usually
are
routed
through
the
chair
or
through
opcr
staff,
and
that's
the
way
that
it's
been
handled
in
the
past.
O
A
I'll
just
jump
in
to
say
for
the
city
clerk's
office:
this
is
new
for
us,
as
I've
said
before,
and
where
learning
with
you
all,
but
it's
our
role
to
provide
that
meeting
management
level
support.
So
that's
all
your
calendaring
notices,
agendas,
minutes
things
like
that
and
then
sort
of
the
general
administrative
support
to
ensure
that
the
commission
is
able
to
function
appropriately
within
the
state
law
city
charter
codes.
Things
like
that,
so
lisa
will
be
your
primary
point
person,
but
my
whole
office
is
also
available
through
her.
O
Definitely-
and
I
think
it's
I-
I
think
it's
great
for
you-
guys
that
the
city
clerk's
office
is
going
to
have
a
a
much
more
front
line
involvement.
With
your
meetings,
I
mean
I
work
with
them.
I've
worked
them
for
years
and
all
of
their
staff
on
various
city,
council
committees,
and
I
mean
they
really
know
what
they're
doing
and
they
can
get
things
kind
of
when,
when
it's
a
big
morass,
they
can
straighten
things
out
and
get
things
on
track,
and
that's
really
one
of
their
purposes,
and
I
think
it
works
very
well
with.
O
I
think
it's
going
to
work
very
well
with
this
commission
so
with
that,
I'm
just
going
to
very
quickly
touch
upon
these
three
topics
that
were
required
to
bring
up
with
you
this
evening,
the
open
meeting
law
and
the
data
practices
act
and
then
also
also
the
city
ethics
code.
First
of
all,
the
first
two
topics
are
are
state
level
requirements.
O
The
open
meeting
law
is
found
in
minnesota
statute
13d
and
the
data
practices
act
is
also
in
chapter
13..
As
you
can
see,
the
open
meeting
law
has
been
around
for
quite
a
while.
The
way
that
I
would
distill
it
is
is
simply
to
say
that
the
main
purposes
of
why
there
is
an
open
meeting
requirement
is
to
allow
open
and
accessible
meetings.
O
O
There
needs
to
be
notice,
given
or
at
least
a
regular
agenda
or
regular
meeting
schedule
adopted,
which
are
things
that
are
all
happening
and
which
all
happen
with
the
commission
and
then
finally
kind
of
the
main
purposes
of
that
is
to
ensure
that
the
decisions
that
are
made
on
the
policy
matters
in
front
of
you
are
made
in
the
open
in
these
public
meetings
and
that
the
votes
are
taken
and
recorded
there
and
that
the
decisions
aren't
made.
O
You
know
behind
closed
doors
and
what
that
kind
of
naturally
dovetails
in-
and
you
can
probably
flip
to
the
next
squad
here
or
next
slide-
is
that
the
main
modern
age
thing
is
that
emails
and
texts
are
also
going
to
play
into
that
and
as
you're
aware
and
we've,
I've
met
with
the
chair,
and
I
know
that
you're
aware
that
you
know
there
aren't
these
electronic
ways
to
subvert
the
open
meeting
line.
You
still
have
to
be
careful
with
quorums.
O
You
know,
having
a
quorum
on
an
email
chain
is
gonna,
is
gonna
implicate
or
most
likely
implicate
the
open
meeting
law
or
violate
the
open
meeting
line
the
same
way
as
if
you
were,
you
know,
gathered
together
at
the
end
of
a
hallway,
and
it
wasn't
a
noticed
meeting.
But
I
think
I
think
I
get
the
sense
that
you're
all
very
well
aware
of
that.
But
I
would
just
say
that
the
open
meeting
law
is
administered
by
the
minnesota
department
of
administration,
which
also
administers
the
data
practices
act.
O
In
particular,
mr
bickings
group
communities,
united,
has
had
been
at
the
forefront
of
some
of
that,
some
of
those
advisory
opinions
and
some
of
the
development
of
that
law,
whether
it's
through
litigation
or
advisory
opinions
or
just
requests
that
they
might
have
made
along
with
other
groups.
And
so
it
can
be
interesting
to
kind
of
kind
of
look
through
some
of
that
development
and
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
had
been
decided
either
by
the
department
of
administration
or
subsequently
by
the
courts.
O
And
how
that
might
affect
some
of
the
things
that
are
public
with
regard
to
the
data
that
you
you,
as
a
commission
deal
with
the
main
thing
with
that,
the
data
practices
act
is
that
the
records
can
be
classified
as
either
public
or
not
public
or
confidential
or
private.
There's
a
difference
between
private
records
and
confidential
records.
O
Confidential
records
aren't
subject
to
release
to
even
the
subject
of
the
record,
whereas
a
private
record
is
subject
to
release
to
the
subject
of
the
record,
but
not
to
just
the
general
member
of
the
public.
The
city
clerk
is
very
involved
with
the
data
practices
act
because
they
are
designated
as
the
responsible
authority
for
the
city
and
they've
done
a
great
job
in
kind
of
streamlining
and
modernizing
the
process
in
which
records
can
be
requested,
and
so
I
think
that's
something.
O
A
No,
of
course,
any
any
questions
about
any
of
these
legal
frameworks
that
govern
you
should
first
go
to
joel.
He
is
your
attorney
that
was
assigned
to
you.
So
as
he's
going
over
these
things
very
quickly
know
that
he's
always
available.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
concerns,
or
especially
specific
issues,
you
know
joel's
joel's,
your
first
point
of
contact.
O
Yep
and
commissioner
brown,
former
chair
brown,
there
would
be
times
you
know
before
a
meeting.
Some
question
would
come
up
dealing
with.
You
know,
quorums
or
open
meeting
questions,
and-
and
you
know
that's
something
where
there'd
be
a
discussion
between
the
opcr
staff
and
my
office,
and
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
can
kind
of
jump
into
on
a
week-to-week
or
meeting
to
meeting
basis.
If
needed
and
kind
of
the
overriding
theme
I
would
have
on
this
quick
overview.
Is
that
yeah?
O
If
you
think,
if
you
think
one
of
these
requirements,
these
complex
requirements
might
be
implicated
or
might
have
some
kind
of
bearing
on
a
new
situation?
That's
in
front
of
you,
you
know
by
all
means,
you
know,
ask
the
questions
and
and
that's
why
you
have
the
professional
staff
that
is
assigned
to
the
commission.
We
can
work
through
those
complexities
and
get
you
to
where
you
need
to
be
and
make
sure
that
you're
complying
with
the
law,
because
these
these
statutes
do
have
potential
enforcement
avenues
and
penalties.
O
That
can
involve
civil
litigation,
but
it
can
also
involve
technically,
you
know,
a
board
member
being
removed
from
their
appointment
or
you
know,
even
theoretically,
misdemeanor
criminal
prosecution,
it's
very
rare
that
that
happens
throughout
the
state,
but
you
you
do
certainly
need
to
realize
that
these
are
state
level,
statutory,
legal
requirements
that
the
city
is
bound
and
that
you
are
bound
to
comply
with,
and
so
obviously
it
goes
without
saying
that
you
know
you
want
to
be
extra
careful
with
that
and
err
on
the
side
of
kind
of
getting
all
the
information
and
asking
for
professional
opinions
if
you
think
that
there
might
be
some
sort
of
implication
or
some
sort
of
potential
violation.
O
The
final
topic
that
I'm
here
to
kind
of
talk
about
is
the
ethics
code.
Now
that's
a
that's
a
local
city
level,
ordinance
that
was
adopted
in
2003
and
it
touches
upon
a
whole
host
of
of
topics.
Some
of
the
main
ones
are
there's
an
ethical
aspiration
for
the
entirety
of
the
city,
but
then
it
also
talks
about
specific
ethics
categories
such
as
fiduciary
duty,
conflicts
of
interest,
soliciting
or
accepting
gifts.
O
That's
just
kind
of
a
minor
one
that
probably
will
present
itself
to
you
at
some
point,
basically
any
local
official
and
that's
how
you're
categorized.
If
you
look
at
the
actual
language
of
the
ordinance
you
as
a
board
member
are
defined
as
a
local
official
of
minneapolis
and
so
you're
subject
to
the
requirements,
the
ethics
requirements
when
it
comes
to
the
solicitation
or
acceptance
of
gifts,
the
general
rule
in
the
city
is
that
you
just
can't:
do
you
can't
solicit
or
accept
any
gifts?
A
lot
of
times?
O
People
are
well-meaning,
your
organizations
might
be
well-meaning.
There
are
some
exceptions.
You
know
if
it's
a
trinket
of
worth
five
dollars
or
less.
You
can
accept
food
if
you're
at
a
meeting,
that's
off-site
for
which
you're
participating
in
your
capacity
as
a
local
official
you
can,
you
know
you
can
you
can
participate
in
the
lunch
that
might
be
provided
or
the
refreshments,
but
other
than
that?
You
know
that's
a
subject.
O
That
is
definitely,
you
know
covered
very
closely
in
the
in
that
ethics
code
and
for
which
you'd
want
to
be
very
careful
in
terms
of
if
people
are
are
offering
you
things.
As
maybe
even
offering
services
to
the
commission
now,
there
are
definitely
ways
in
which
the
city
can
select
accept
things
formally
as
gifts
or
or
accept
services
of
a
consultant
that
might
be
that
might
be
put
out
there,
but
those
can
be
complex
at
complex
analysis
as
well.
O
So
that
would
definitely
be
something
you'd
want
to
bring
up
and
bring
up,
and
we
could
try
to
work
through
that
and
make
sure
that
you
know
the
city's
doing
the
right
thing
and
that
you're
doing
the
right
thing
by
the
code
that
you're
required
to
comply
by
the
good
news
about
the
ethics
requirement
is,
as
it
kind
of
says,
on
the
bottom
of
that
last
slide.
There
there
is
is
an
ethics
I
guess
office
or
an
officer
within
the
city
attorney's
office.
O
Susan
trammell
is
the
primary
attorney
that
works
in
that
area,
but
there's
also
a
very
well
thought
out
and
well-developed
section
of
the
public
or
the
internal
website
in
which
you
can
re.
You
can
ask
questions,
you
can
make
complaints
if
or
the
public
can
make
complaints.
There
are
forms
that
can
be
sent
in
there.
It's.
O
I
would
encourage
you
to
kind
of
look
at
the
look
at
the
ethics
section
of
the
public
website
and
see
all
of
the
resources
there
and
then
the
main
thing
is
to
remember
is
that
we
you
do.
We
do
have
a
dedicated
ethics
officer
and
you
do
have
the
services
of
my
office
and
the
professional
staff
that
works
with
you
that
are
would
be
more
than
happy
to
kind
of
work
through
any
issues
that
might
come
up.
O
Those
are
kind
of
the
main
highlights
that
are
in
that
ethics
code,
but
with
that
those
are
the
three
main
topics
that
I
wanted
to
just
give
you
the
kind
of
the
brief
highlight
on
recognizing
that
I
think
the
discussion
you
had
earlier
in
this
orientation
has
been
the
real,
valuable
part,
and
so
I
didn't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
time.
O
Obviously,
if
you
do
have
any
questions
right
now,
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
address
them,
but
the
main
I
think
takeaway
would
be
if
any
of
these
subjects
are
something
that
you
think
is
causing
you
any
kind
of
concern
or
something
that's
presenting
to
you.
Let's
have
a
discussion
and
try
to
work
through
things
on
a
case-by-case.
A
Basis
and
if
they're
I'll
just
jump
in
here
joel,
if
there
are
no
questions
for
mr
fussy,
then
I
think
that
completes
our
presentation.
I'll
turn
it
back
to
mr
hawkins
for
any
final
wrap-up,
but
I
believe
that
completes
our
portion
of
the
presentation
and
we
would
turn
it
over
back
to
you,
madam
chair,
to
facilitate
the
remainder
of
the
meeting.
Unless
mr
hawkins,
you
tell
me
otherwise.
F
I
B
Thank
you
well
again,
I'd
like
to
thank
all
of
the
staff
and
all
my
colleagues
on
this
commission
for
this
orientation
tonight.
As
I
stated
in
the
beginning,
I
really
want
this
to
be
the
beginning
of
a
new
chapter
in
the
history
of
this
commission
and
of
meaningful
community
oversight
and
partnership
with
our
elected
officials
and
our
police
department.
B
Actually,
the
only
other
item
of
business
that
we
still
have
before
us
to
decide
are
the
three
cases
we
want
to
be
have
presented
at
our
next
meeting,
which
will
be
on
march.
The
ninth
and
I
really
appreciate
everyone
getting
back
to
me
with
your
thoughts
and
the
cases
that
you
were
looking
at
and
we
actually
came
to
a
unanimous
decision
on
one
case
that
was
case
number
nine
and
the
other
two
were
cases
number
three
and
number
eight.
B
So
does
anyone
have
any
discussion
about
these
selections,
casey
or
andrew?
If
you
have,
that
handy?
Would
you
be
able
to
pull
up
the
the
10
so
that
we
can
review
those
the
three
that
I
just
named
three
eight
and
nine?
We
could
just
go
over
them
once
more.
B
I
B
Okay,
thank
you
here.
We
have
okay
case
number
three
case
number,
eight
and
case
number
nine.
So
would
anyone
like
to
discuss
anything
about
this
or
kind
of
have?
We
already
put
our
thoughts
together
about
this.
P
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
why
these
cases
appeal
to
me
is
because
I
notice
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
character,
we're
talking
about
the
character
of
our
officers,
making
the
arrest
or
interacting
with
our
minneapolis
constituents.
P
It's
how
they
view
the
public,
and
it
definitely
is
says
something
about.
What's
going
through
that
officer's
head,
how
he
feels
about
the
person
he's
interacting
with
how
he
feels
about
the
culture
he's
interacting
with
that's.
Basically,
why
they
appeal
to
me
and
that
that
signifies
that
we
have
a
a
bigger
problem,
because,
when
you're,
looking
at
the
character
of
the
person
who
is
hired
to
do
a
job,
that
is
significant.
B
I
would
agree,
I
I
think
that
integrity
is
one
of
the
main
ingredients
to
being
charged
with
the
power
that
police
officers
are
invested
and
the
way
that
they
interact
with
community
members.
B
Kind
of
highlights
a
lack
of
that
anybody
else
have
anything
about
these
cases.
P
Chair
jackson,
I
just
if
you
don't
mind
I
just
want
to
add
to
where
I'm
going
at
with
this-
is
we're
not
just
looking
at
training.
Character
starts
at
the
base
of
hiring,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
might
need
to
dive
deeper
into
as
we
participate
in
these.
Some
of
these
policy
changes
that
we
want
to
push
forward
is.
It
starts
with
hiring.
It
starts
with
hiring
people
from
your
community.
P
It
starts
with
hiring
people
who
have
ethics,
that's
all
at
the
hands
of
our
backgrounders
at
our
police
departments,
our
psychologists
that
do
the
psyche
valves
of
our
police
officers.
It
starts
there
and
I
think,
that's
where
we
need
to
start
looking
is
some
of
this
are
some
of
these
behaviors?
That
should
be
red
flags?
Are
they
just
getting
passed
through
because
the
need
of
the
officers
or
are
they
just
being
passed
through,
because
what
the
faces
of
the
officers
look
like
the
backgrounds
of
the
officers?
How
long
they've
been
in
the
police
department.
B
So
if,
if
no
other
commissioner
has
has
any
points
that
they
would
like
to
discuss
or
or
remark,
then
we're
agreed
on
these
three
we'll
we'll
direct
the
staff
to
prepare
summaries
for
these
cases
and
they'll
we'll
present
them
at
the
march
9th
meeting.
B
Okay,
great
so
does
anyone
have
anything
else
to
say
or
anything
we
forgot
anything.
J
B
M
I
have
a
question:
are
we
gonna
be
able
to
like
once
we
get
the
additional
information
about
the
cases
that
we
picked
out?
Are
we
gonna
have
a
discussion
at
our
next.
A
A
A
I
wanted
to
express
my
appreciation,
obviously
to
my
staff
colleagues,
but
especially
to
you
and
to
the
vice
chair,
who
spent
time
with
us
reviewing
and
preparing
for
tonight
and
really
making
sure
that
we
were
thoughtful
in
our
in
our
work
as
staff
to
come
forward
with
sort
of
this
holistic
approach.
A
I
really
want
to
thank
director
jafar
and
mr
hawkins,
especially
for
all
of
their
time
and
putting
that
together
as
well,
but
it
really
was
led
and
shaped
by
the
chair
and
vice
chair,
and
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
thought
and
intention
behind
it.
So
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
doing
that
for
us
and
providing
tonight
as
a
starting
point.
So
thank
you.
B
Would
also
like
to
echo
the
thanks
to
the
city
staff
and
to
vice
chair
abdi.
We
did
have
a
very
robust
discussion
about
our
orientation
tonight.
What
would
be
included
and-
and
who
would
be
speaking-
and
it
was-
it
was
a
great
opportunity
for
for
us,
chair
or
vice
chair
abdi
and
myself,
to
get
some
additional
information.
You
know
about
the
pcoc
its
formation.
What
our
purpose
is
what
we
can
do.
B
You
know
the
the
avenues
that
we
can
follow
and
what
we
can
ask
of
the
the
office
of
police
conduct
review,
so
it
was
very
enlightening
and
I
enjoyed
it
and
thank
you,
casey
and
andrew
and
imani
for
inviting
us
to
participate
in
that.
So
with
that,
we
have
concluded
all
the
items
on
our
agenda
tonight,
so
I
will
see
everybody
back
here
for
next
month
for
the
march
9th
regular
meeting
and
if
there
is
no
further
business
without
objection,
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.